From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 00:03:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F31D3BEDC; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,154,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="1889754643:sNHT31333584" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <79E0C90E-B058-43AC-9C69-C2C6B87886D0@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kelly Coyle Subject: sp-808 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:03:12 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:03:14 +0000 (UTC) I'm sort of interested in this box. I'm getting away from loopers per- se (that paradigm doesn't seem to work for me) -- what I really want is a small recorder that can loop whatever you're playing and then you can dink with it. (yes, the looperlative sounds cool). (So does the new Electro-Harmonix, but that seems pretty limited.) (I am *sad* about the Repeater.) The question I have is, does the "record strobe" MIDI control mean you can rig a pedal to start recording the sample? What does "strobe" mean here anyway? ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 00:07:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40F703BEEA; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007401c63cc0$796c0eb0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> References: <20060228111206.258F425245B@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <3.0.6.32.20060228171712.007e8cc0@pop.mindspring.com> <006301c63cb7$e52affc0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> <007401c63cc0$796c0eb0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:07:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:07:48 +0000 (UTC) At 11:41 PM +0000 2/28/06, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >>Stuart, are you sure you're not mixing up the DD-20 with the RC-20? > >On reflection..., I think I am :) Hey -- no harm, no foul. That's an easy mistake to make. ;) --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 00:12:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F04323BEF5; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:12:22 +0000 Message-Id: <030120060012.18768.4404E6E60001C28A000049502207300793CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18768_1141171942_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:12:25 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18768_1141171942_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit One question is, is Nick who originally asked the question mixing up the two? --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18768_1141171942_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from arsenic.violacea.com ([207.228.238.45]) by rwcrmxc16.comcast.net (rwcrmxc16) with ESMTP id <20060301000749r1600frsqke>; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:07:49 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.228.238.45] Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C8893BEDC; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007401c63cc0$796c0eb0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> References: <20060228111206.258F425245B@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <3.0.6.32.20060228171712.007e8cc0@pop.mindspring.com> <006301c63cb7$e52affc0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> <007401c63cc0$796c0eb0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:07:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:07:48 +0000 (UTC) At 11:41 PM +0000 2/28/06, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >>Stuart, are you sure you're not mixing up the DD-20 with the RC-20? > >On reflection..., I think I am :) Hey -- no harm, no foul. That's an easy mistake to make. ;) --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18768_1141171942_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 00:17:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BC8A3BEEA; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:17:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c63cb6$f7b29c30$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000001c63cb6$f7b29c30$0601a8c0@succubus> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:17:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:17:39 +0000 (UTC) At 11:33 PM +0100 2/28/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >I'd like to summarize the advantages/disadvantages of both in a few lines - >but I'm sure that there are others that can tell you a lot more (especially >about the DD20 - got mine last Saturday). > >[snip...] I think that Rainer does an excellent job of summarizing both units. There's one extra feature I'd like to add for the DD-20, though. If you also get one of the optional Roland FS footswitches (the FS-5U -- the unlatched version) you can use it to get a reasonably close approximation to some of the EDP "glitch" functionalities (ala LaFosse, etc). This is the only floor unit I can think of off the top of my head that can do that. Other than that, I'll simply go on to agree with the other posters here. I like the DD-20 (it's great for exceptionally clean loops, as well as textures and polyrhythms). However, the DL-4 is a lot more accessible, IMNSHO, and is easier with which to get instant gratification. That last point may be especially important, depending upon the technical skill level of the gift recipient. I think the "neat" factor is a lot more apparent on the DL-4. While I finally consider the DD-20 just as "neat", it's a more subtle box and you've got to take more time to explore its options. --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 00:27:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C1D13BEF5; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060228192939.013266d0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:29:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 In-Reply-To: <030120060012.18768.4404E6E60001C28A000049502207300793CACA0 A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:27:16 +0000 (UTC) >One question is, is Nick who originally asked the question mixing up the two? No. I meant the DD20. I ruled out the RC20 because it does not have adjustable feedback and I wanted a looper that used the delay paradigm, not a phrase sampler. Thanks for checking and thanks to all who have replied so far. Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 00:57:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A54383BEDB; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:53:46 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #465 for February 23, 2006 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Message-id: <4404F09A.5070402@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <5N4eMD.A.3K.CGPBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:57:38 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060223.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #465 February 23, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was CD3 from "In Blue" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter was "Live" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Recrods and released in 1980. Klaus Schulze - PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Klaus Schulze Sense * Live (Brain) Polaris A Way Back Moo'n'sequences (none) vidnaObmana and Opening Motives for Recycling (Soleilmoon) Asmus Tietchens Robert Rich Never Alone Electric Ladder (Soundscapes) VA [Ian Boddy] The Mystic E-dition #11 (Groove) VA [Robert Rich and Edge of Nowhere E-dition #11 (Groove) Ian Boddy] VA [Shifts] Vertonen 19 The Walls Are Whispering Vol. III (EE Tapes) Mikronesia Slow Bleeding Tissue Paper Ghosts(Gears of Sand) Mikronesia Untitled Love Tissue Paper Ghosts(Gears of Sand) Robert Rich and Geode Lithosphere (DiN) Ian Boddy 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Robert Rich and Stone * Lithosphere (DiN) Ian Boddy Klaus Schulze Musique Abstract In Blue - CD3 (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Return of the Temple 2 In Blue - CD3 (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Out of the Blue In Blue - CD3 (Revisited) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on E-dition Magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the CD that came with issue #5. The Vinyl Starter will be "Live" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Recrods and released in 1980. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 01:51:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E12933BEDD; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 01:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:48:07 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for February, 2006 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Message-id: <4404FD57.2080002@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <-3V9ED.A.Z4B.04PBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 01:51:48 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/top20feb.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for February, 2006. Shows #462 to #465; 2-February-2006 to 23-February-2006 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Chad Hoefler - Quiet Glow - Lotuspike Craig Padilla and Zero Ohms - Path of Least Resistance - Lotuspike Create - From Earth To Mars - Groove Gert Emmens - When Darkness Falls the Earth - Groove Gert Emmens and Ruud Heij - Blind Watchers of a Vanishing Night - EH Klaus Schulze - Dig It - Revisited Klaus Schulze - In Blue; CD1 - Revisited Klaus Schulze - In Blue; CD2 - Revisited Klaus Schulze - In Blue; CD3 - Revisited Loren Nerell, Steve Roach and Chuck Oken - Analogy Volume 1 - Groove Mystified - The Hand of Jayanti - Blue Water Polaris - Moo'n'sequences - none Robert Rich - Electric Ladder - Soundscapes Robert Rich and Ian Boddy - Lithosphere - DiN Sound Solutions Inc. - SSI - Azra/Chlorophyll Steve Roach - Immersion: One - Projekt Thought Guild - Continuum - HRR Various Artists - E-dition #11 - Groove Various Artists - S/T - Die Stadt Various Artists - The Walls Are Whispering Vol. III - EE Tapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 11:23:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4C713BEE9; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: h8dQwVYzBQzmqhVqqV4tnw== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <000501c63d22$8ed69dd0$6402a8c0@thomas> From: "Thomas Maintz" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20060228192939.013266d0@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:23:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Is DD-20 "sound on sound" in stereo? Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick douglas" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:29 AM Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 > >One question is, is Nick who originally asked the question mixing up the > >two? > > No. I meant the DD20. I ruled out the RC20 because it does not have > adjustable feedback and I wanted a looper that used the delay paradigm, > not a phrase sampler. > Thanks for checking and thanks to all who have replied so far. > Nick > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 12:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEA703BEDA; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b101c63d2b$64f6ecf0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20060228192939.013266d0@pop.mindspring.com> <000501c63d22$8ed69dd0$6402a8c0@thomas> Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:26:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2006 12:26:12.0996 (UTC) FILETIME=[54118440:01C63D2B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Yes it is. But I suggest you to use the dual delay with feedback to 60%-70% Fabio Anile http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Maintz" > Is DD-20 "sound on sound" in stereo? > Thomas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 14:01:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553003BEDA; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v01wKRDkVcyXn5O9oNGyQF+eWOwilsTX5syii87JXZxNTdJVcVE+NarT2fakrJMlSKS2rsOrbNzuk3asJMlbnggXDjOhn34fORkiW1oyHHeq6rN+kJ563ihSHoSIwxIWk4Zz13rzsFhO3EYN/OkyfMtK26alL0P3skr0wKU/MBo= ; Message-ID: <20060301140143.91554.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 06:01:43 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01b101c63d2b$64f6ecf0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:01:47 +0000 (UTC) one of the frustrating things i find about the dl-4 is the tap tempo feature,it seems it goes through different interval settings and i dont find it too intuitive,is the dd-20 better in this department? cheers Luis --- Fabio Anile wrote: > Yes it is. But I suggest you to use the dual delay > with feedback to 60%-70% > > Fabio Anile > > http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ > http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Maintz" > > > > Is DD-20 "sound on sound" in stereo? > > Thomas > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 14:28:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A43A3BEDC; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:27:57 +0000 Message-Id: <030120061427.1703.4405AF6D000C72CD000006A72200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Definitely. The DD-20 has a a digital readout and a knob that lets you precisely set the delay time. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Luis Angulo > one of the frustrating things i find about the dl-4 is > the tap tempo feature,it seems it goes through > different interval settings and i dont find it too > intuitive,is the dd-20 better in this department? > cheers > Luis > > > --- Fabio Anile wrote: > > > Yes it is. But I suggest you to use the dual delay > > with feedback to 60%-70% > > > > Fabio Anile > > > > http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ > > > http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas Maintz" > > > > > > > Is DD-20 "sound on sound" in stereo? > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 16:39:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CF073BEE0; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Mar 2006 16:39:09 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:39:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060301163908.A9FC0CA0AD@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1LiLu.A.xkE.-4cBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:39:27 +0000 (UTC) hmmmmm..indeed. That sounds like something worthy of my looking into. Tha= nks. Joe Stan Wrote: > hmmm...missed that original post. > i am an OLDSCHOOL tube amp guitar player-and have always had a hellofa ti= me > tryin to get these looper thanggs in the signal path and still (ab)use all > the traits of a tube amp. > finally found amps that had trustworthy tube efx loops. once i put the edp > or any other rack looper in there-the clean sounds and signal levels of t= he > looper were maintained while yer guitar is still going straight to the fr= ont > of the amp for all the richness and distortion or whatever else that > combination brings... > it takes a lot of tweaking and matching levels but once you get it-its the > best of both worlds-imo > stan > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 17:28:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 827333BEEE; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:28:11 +0000 Message-Id: <030120061728.14881.4405D9AB0007F1B800003A212200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:28:22 +0000 (UTC) What I do is split the signal with an ABY box before it hits the looper and then the straight guitar signal and the output from the looper into a mixer and then to the amp. Just another idea! Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "joe rut" > hmmmmm..indeed. That sounds like something worthy of my looking into. Thanks. > > Joe > > Stan Wrote: > > hmmm...missed that original post. > > i am an OLDSCHOOL tube amp guitar player-and have always had a hellofa time > > tryin to get these looper thanggs in the signal path and still (ab)use all > > the traits of a tube amp. > > finally found amps that had trustworthy tube efx loops. once i put the edp > > or any other rack looper in there-the clean sounds and signal levels of the > > looper were maintained while yer guitar is still going straight to the front > > of the amp for all the richness and distortion or whatever else that > > combination brings... > > it takes a lot of tweaking and matching levels but once you get it-its the > > best of both worlds-imo > > stan http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC > =lycos10 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 19:19:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CC9D3BEFB; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=J6+NgpzoOclIkd5ERl/dP1lLSNrVExliML8RmbOuySrZTsXu3Up38/5Aj2ZSo6PFgwZRUjB42QkG9FOLCc9UCw8YXwV6kl+CVsGhh5mPnvoi0Vb8ndA862WMG5joEyTbFIhVelqhneEHaEF03QEpp5XOoA/MwbJaKpo7C884FCA= ; Message-ID: <20060301191944.24054.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:19:44 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Do I need that EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <030120061728.14881.4405D9AB0007F1B800003A212200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1974010558-1141240784=:21828" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:19:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-1974010558-1141240784=:21828 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! This was interesting. Can you give more details about your gear and the "signal route" ? Maybe why you split like you do ? Rune f Christophe skrev: What I do is split the signal with an ABY box before it hits the looper ?and then the straight guitar signal and the output from the looper into a mixer and then to the amp. Just another idea! Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "joe rut" > hmmmmm..indeed. That sounds like something worthy of my looking into. Thanks. > > Joe > > Stan Wrote: > > hmmm...missed that original post. > > i am an OLDSCHOOL tube amp guitar player-and have always had a hellofa time > > tryin to get these looper thanggs in the signal path and still (ab)use all > > the traits of a tube amp. > > finally found amps that had trustworthy tube efx loops. once i put the edp > > or any other rack looper in there-the clean sounds and signal levels of the > > looper were maintained while yer guitar is still going straight to the front > > of the amp for all the richness and distortion or whatever else that > > combination brings... > > it takes a lot of tweaking and matching levels but once you get it-its the > > best of both worlds-imo > > stan http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC > =lycos10 > --0-1974010558-1141240784=:21828 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
This was interesting. Can you give more details about your gear and the "signal route" ? Maybe why you split like you do ?
 
Rune f

Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> skrev:
What I do is split the signal with an ABY box before it hits the looper ?and then the straight guitar signal and the output from the looper into a mixer and then to the amp.

Just another idea!

Chris

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "joe rut"
> hmmmmm..indeed. That sounds like something worthy of my looking into. Thanks.
>
> Joe
>
> Stan Wrote:
> > hmmm...missed that original post.
> > i am an OLDSCHOOL tube amp guitar player-and have always had a hellofa time
> > tryin to get these looper thanggs in the signal path and still (ab)use all
> > the traits of a tube amp.
> > finally found amps that had trustworthy tube efx loops. once i put the edp
> > or any other rack looper in there-the clean sounds and signal levels of the
> > looper were maintained while yer guitar is still going straight to the front
> > of the amp for all the richness and distortion or whatever else that
> > combination brings...
> > it takes a lot of tweaking and matching levels but once you get it-its the
> > best of both worlds-imo
> > stan
http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC
> =lycos10
>



--0-1974010558-1141240784=:21828-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 19:43:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7988C3BEF5; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iQl9Jds8YfCuwKhL09ZqW8ZEIQuo9IR+k4BfZKzQSWoJ8C5tmn4Ins5hXdyhISWcYPnqy3C7+H9F0TEdoKNqom4hOEyTEZkov7+zgaQbM3TscvtiR2YIVie/uBaa5eLg7C0at6HLUw6JVITHkSJsiYLQyz9ZqCEUOZxWbL0MiNc= ; Message-ID: <20060301194336.96614.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:43:36 -0800 (PST) From: Monica Subject: BOSS ME-30 manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-558748706-1141242216=:94750" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0hZZ9C.A.lVE.rlfBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:43:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-558748706-1141242216=:94750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey - this might be dreadfully lo-tech to some but I just got an unused BOSS ME-30 for $65 - seemed worth the price - but no owner's manual. Does anyone know where to find a link to download - ideally free? Thanks... Monica Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-558748706-1141242216=:94750 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
 
 
 
Hey - this might be dreadfully lo-tech to some but I just got an       unused BOSS ME-30 for $65 - seemed worth the price -
but no owner's manual. Does anyone know where to find a link
to download - ideally free?
Thanks...
Monica


 
Asgard Guitars
"guitar technology for the new emerging edge..."
                                                   

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Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-558748706-1141242216=:94750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 19:49:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E3013BEEA; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:49:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IBJD6LWaLyR0yG5v1IJRmi3YIfAOzievmuwhJxJ1zm9EBV/FI5RkBBGu/7D9rlTYqlZQ6ceT6Rupl/6wBp+VYAefuimz2/6+9ReD6zqFXatOQivxRYuhJMvpEUMpdw+P4v1cxUhuX6wBKd2uiE6fnMIoTa6NcDEnpwpPwF4vZPQ= Message-ID: <588ce11d0603011149y2749efbt18c998d7d63bb497@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:49:24 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 manual In-Reply-To: <20060301194336.96614.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060301194336.96614.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:49:27 +0000 (UTC) http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln=3Den&dsp=3D0&iCncd=3D4= 8 > Hey - this might be dreadfully lo-tech to some but I just got an > unused BOSS ME-30 for $65 - seemed worth the price - > but no owner's manual. Does anyone know where to find a link > to download - ideally free? > Thanks... > Monica -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 20:14:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C088E3BEEA; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=F5YpUx/sHl6rN3R6htCiqwHVmwttseO4w1ADwBNzR8wFkgTBKjy9rog4ChHxAfDz; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:14:29 -0800 Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <030120061728.14881.4405D9AB0007F1B800003A212200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd481a8dcd55e4d1e72a743723a7dd3a4e03bca2f000fc72cd8d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.0.186 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:14:38 +0000 (UTC) well just so you know-splitting a guitar signal before it hits the preamp means you are working w/ weakass millivolts of power-and things just get weaker after that. the best way, i have found, is to split, fondle, manipulate, loop and enhance the guitar signal post preamp(line level) where the voltage is large and powerful. s on 3/1/06 9:28 AM, Christophe at cburke55@comcast.net wrote: > What I do is split the signal with an ABY box before it hits the looper and > then the straight guitar signal and the output from the looper into a mixer > and then to the amp. > Just another idea! > Chris > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "joe rut" >> hmmmmm..indeed. That sounds like something worthy of my looking into. >> Thanks. >> >> Joe >> >> Stan Wrote: >>> hmmm...missed that original post. >>> i am an OLDSCHOOL tube amp guitar player-and have always had a hellofa time >>> tryin to get these looper thanggs in the signal path and still (ab)use all >>> the traits of a tube amp. >>> finally found amps that had trustworthy tube efx loops. once i put the edp >>> or any other rack looper in there-the clean sounds and signal levels of the >>> looper were maintained while yer guitar is still going straight to the front >>> of the amp for all the richness and distortion or whatever else that >>> combination brings... >>> it takes a lot of tweaking and matching levels but once you get it-its the >>> best of both worlds-imo >>> stan > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?S > RC >> =lycos10 >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 22:20:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0C3C3BEF8; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:20:24 +0000 Message-Id: <030120062220.15561.44061E28000B1AD000003CC92200734830CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:20:30 +0000 (UTC) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: stanitarium > well just so you know-splitting a guitar signal before it hits the preamp > means you are working w/ weakass millivolts of power-and things just get > weaker after that. Yes. Both signals get preamped in the mixer. > the best way, i have found, is to split, fondle, manipulate, loop and > enhance the guitar signal post preamp(line level) where the voltage is large > and powerful. I wonder if ideally the best way isn't to mike the amp and loop that. It varies depending, I think. But I completely agree with you that it's a conundrum trying to incorporate the sound of the amp itself since it's the last part of the chain. Any arrangement is going to compromise something From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 22:35:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5216F3BEFC; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:35:35 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 62.3.248.115 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060301223531.97BDE254049@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Seems crazy to me to even think about puting any significant amount of processing between guitar and preamp. A wah pedal and maybe an EQ is as much as I can contemplate there. I've been playing over 20 years, and have used racked processors of one sort or another for most of that time, but it is natural to me that any time-based processor shoudl be fd a signal that is as complete as possible. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: 01/03/06 22:20 I wonder if ideally the best way isn't to mike the amp and loop that. It varies depending, I think. But I completely agree with you that it's a conundrum trying to incorporate the sound of the amp itself since it's the last part of the chain. Any arrangement is going to compromise something ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 23:13:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A35B3BEFA; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:13:07 +0000 Message-Id: <030120062313.12284.44062A8300062CC500002FFC2200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12284_1141254787_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:13:10 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12284_1141254787_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Rune! The full blown setup is: whichever guitar or bass into an ancient Ibanez multieffect unit, which I use primarily for the chorus/flanger, then anIbanez WD7 wah pedal, a Boss DD3 delay, and a Boss LS2 Line Selector, which has two loops, one through an Electro-Harmonix Microsynthesizer and one through one or more overdrive pedals (the LS2 keeps all that out of the signal path when not in use). The output from that goes to the ABY box, which is a Whirlwind Selector. One output goes to a Boss DD5 delay (stereo). The other goes to a Boss RC20 looper (the early one - no undo function) and that into a DD20 Giga Delay (also stereo) The 4 stereo outputs from the DD5 and DD20 go to a stereo mixer (3 stereo channels), usually set up so the dry and wet signals from the delays go to opposite sides (i.e., dry DD20 to the left and dry DD5 to the right). And finally the two outputs from the mixer go to seperate amps. The idea behind splitting the signal is to allow the guitar signal a path that bypasses the RC20/DD20 combination since I usually have them doing something together and it let's me play over the top of it without adding to the signal in the DD20. What do you think? Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: rune fagereng > Hi ! > > This was interesting. Can you give more details about your gear and the > "signal route" ? Maybe why you split like you do ? > > Rune f --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12284_1141254787_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: rune fagereng To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vedr. Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:19:49 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12284_1141254787_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12284_1141254787_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
This was interesting. Can you give more details about your gear and the "signal route" ? Maybe why you split like you do ?
 
Rune f

Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> skrev:
What I do is split the signal with an ABY box before it hits the looper ?and then the straight guitar signal and the output from the looper into a mixer and then to the amp.

Just another idea!

Chris

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "joe rut"
> hmmmmm..indeed. That sounds like something worthy of my looking into. Thanks.
>
> Joe
>
> Stan Wrote:
> > hmmm...missed that original post.
> > i am an OLDSCHOOL tube amp guitar player-and have always had a hellofa time
> > tryin to get these looper thanggs in the signal path and still (ab)use all
> > the traits of a tube amp.
> > finally found amps that had trustworthy tube efx loops. once i put the edp
> > or any other rack looper in there-the clean sounds and signal levels of the
> > looper were maintained while yer guitar is still going straight to the front
> > of the amp for all the richness and distortion or whatever else that
> > combination brings...
> > it takes a lot of tweaking and matching levels but once you get it-its the
> > best of both worlds-imo
> > stan
http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC
> =lycos10
>



--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12284_1141254787_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12284_1141254787_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 23:24:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E5613BEEA; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:24:36 +0000 Message-Id: <030120062324.28394.44062D340009C8F300006EEA2206424613CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:24:40 +0000 (UTC) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Fluke" > Seems crazy to me to even think about puting any significant amount of > processing between guitar and preamp. A wah pedal and maybe an EQ is as much > as I can contemplate there. I've been playing over 20 years, and have used > racked processors of one sort or another for most of that time, but it is > natural to me that any time-based processor shoudl be fd a signal that is as > complete as possible. > > Nik Don't take me too seriously about miking the amp. Just a daydream. I'm mostly into experimentation for my own amusement, and I don't neccesarily hook up all that stuff simultaneously. I can't argue with you about signal quality, and more is definitely better. I seem to find enough for what I want to do with it. I'd never claim it's the best, though! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 1 23:33:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24A943BEDB; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5SD2jsYo6OpflgyOlKHDQ1/g5It0eiF6XWAR/NvD07EH1Dpi8vlCQO0eRzqDZ71PsXQ1T+m+XdGxNMpGYEOGjwPO1TK6zj14VmsewTMK9OVVpuL2fwPZqP3WR56HJijoOdkQMaT+XZUZOVk7BNTRSJwQiuDiDHQX0umrlK7qhXA= ; Message-ID: <20060301233259.16378.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 00:32:59 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Do I need that EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <030120061728.14881.4405D9AB0007F1B800003A212200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1138469679-1141255979=:9528" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:33:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-1138469679-1141255979=:9528 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi ! Maybe you can tell me how dd-20 can make sound on sound, when its a delaypedal ? Rune f Christophe skrev: What I do is split the signal with an ABY box before it hits the looper and then the straight guitar signal and the output from the looper into a mixer and then to the amp. Just another idea! Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "joe rut" > hmmmmm..indeed. That sounds like something worthy of my looking into. Thanks. > > Joe > > Stan Wrote: > > hmmm...missed that original post. > > i am an OLDSCHOOL tube amp guitar player-and have always had a hellofa time > > tryin to get these looper thanggs in the signal path and still (ab)use all > > the traits of a tube amp. > > finally found amps that had trustworthy tube efx loops. once i put the edp > > or any other rack looper in there-the clean sounds and signal levels of the > > looper were maintained while yer guitar is still going straight to the front > > of the amp for all the richness and distortion or whatever else that > > combination brings... > > it takes a lot of tweaking and matching levels but once you get it-its the > > best of both worlds-imo > > stan http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC > =lycos10 > --0-1138469679-1141255979=:9528 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hi !
 
Maybe you can tell me how dd-20 can make sound on sound, when its a delaypedal ?
Rune f
Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> skrev:
What I do is split the signal with an ABY box before it hits the looper and then the straight guitar signal and the output from the looper into a mixer and then to the amp.

Just another idea!

Chris

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "joe rut"
> hmmmmm..indeed. That sounds like something worthy of my looking into. Thanks.
>
> Joe
>
> Stan Wrote:
> > hmmm...missed that original post.
> > i am an OLDSCHOOL tube amp guitar player-and have always had a hellofa time
> > tryin to get these looper thanggs in the signal path and still (ab)use all
> > the traits of a tube amp.
> > finally found amps that had trustworthy tube efx loops. once i put the edp
> > or any other rack looper in there-the clean sounds and signal levels of the
> > looper were maintained while yer guitar is still going straight to the front
> > of the amp for all the richness and distortion or whatever else that
> > combination brings...
> > it takes a lot of tweaking and matching levels but once you get it-its the
> > best of both worlds-imo
> > stan
http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC
> =lycos10
>



--0-1138469679-1141255979=:9528-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 05:45:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 074113BEDB; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 05:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 05:45:25 +0000 Message-Id: <030220060545.24997.440686750006489F000061A52200760180CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24997_1141278325_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 05:45:28 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24997_1141278325_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The DD20 has a "sounnd on sound" mode that lets you record one looped phrase up to 23 secs, with overdub. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: rune fagereng > hi ! > > Maybe you can tell me how dd-20 can make sound on sound, when its a delaypedal > ? > > Rune f --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24997_1141278325_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: rune fagereng To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vedr. Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:33:06 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24997_1141278325_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24997_1141278325_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hi !
 
Maybe you can tell me how dd-20 can make sound on sound, when its a delaypedal ?
Rune f
Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> skrev:
What I do is split the signal with an ABY box before it hits the looper and then the straight guitar signal and the output from the looper into a mixer and then to the amp.

Just another idea!

Chris

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "joe rut"
> hmmmmm..indeed. That sounds like something worthy of my looking into. Thanks.
>
> Joe
>
> Stan Wrote:
> > hmmm...missed that original post.
> > i am an OLDSCHOOL tube amp guitar player-and have always had a hellofa time
> > tryin to get these looper thanggs in the signal path and still (ab)use all
> > the traits of a tube amp.
> > finally found amps that had trustworthy tube efx loops. once i put the edp
> > or any other rack looper in there-the clean sounds and signal levels of the
> > looper were maintained while yer guitar is still going straight to the front
> > of the amp for all the richness and distortion or whatever else that
> > combination brings...
> > it takes a lot of tweaking and matching levels but once you get it-its the
> > best of both worlds-imo
> > stan
http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC
> =lycos10
>



--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24997_1141278325_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24997_1141278325_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 07:03:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 350EE3BEF4; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=x4JF6Yetmw/jrlu6Nx/w6MBXw5Md5WCr5UD3Wj6aeMZOA8pud77PSCt4EVCK3G9+4r5aqMt/14BRYFXwCbvFW0PA6Cj5v/cxZzAHqRrIEghndt1sx4radsowXNRhEzJJ+f8VeXfjRkalBQhqWt7ibII6h5wQjVe5MyGLFxcv94Q= ; Message-ID: <20060302070354.73886.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: Monica Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0603011149y2749efbt18c998d7d63bb497@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2002898562-1141283034=:73531" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:03:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-2002898562-1141283034=:73531 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks...however this site, like the others, only has the ME-50 as the ME-30 is a now archaic model. Someone sent me a PDF for the ME-30 but my server's not opening it. Art Simon wrote: http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=48 > Hey - this might be dreadfully lo-tech to some but I just got an > unused BOSS ME-30 for $65 - seemed worth the price - > but no owner's manual. Does anyone know where to find a link > to download - ideally free? > Thanks... > Monica -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --0-2002898562-1141283034=:73531 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks...however this site, like the others, only has the ME-50
as the ME-30 is a now archaic model. Someone sent me a PDF
for the ME-30 but my server's not opening it.

Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=48
> Hey - this might be dreadfully lo-tech to some but I just got an
> unused BOSS ME-30 for $65 - seemed worth the price -
> but no owner's manual. Does anyone know where to find a link
> to download - ideally free?
> Thanks...
> Monica

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New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --0-2002898562-1141283034=:73531-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 10:58:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F122F3BEFA; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <047001c63de8$2fa2c020$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Theremin Looper - Pamelia Kurstin, the Theremin Cello, etc Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 03:58:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 489, in=233826, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Not sure if anyone has heard her play, but Pamelia Kurstin (from New York) played some looping sets on the Theremin here in Boise, Idaho last year (and actually leaving a protégé behind who will be looping at my experimental music festival in April), but I'm noticing that her career is really taking off and she's touring and giving workshops all over the world - for instance a looping set in London on March 10 at the VORTEX JAZZ CLUB. Andy, you should go introduce yourself and see what she's up to. I'm not sure what she's using....maybe a DL4. http://www.pameliakurstin.com/ Here BIO: Pamelia Kurstin (born May 28, 1976 in Southern California) is a world-renowned thereminist who has played and recorded with such prestigious artists as David Byrne and Béla Fleck and the Flecktones and has performed on the television show Saturday Night Live. Her musical training on the upright bass has led to her unique "walking bass" theremin technique. Until recently (late 2005) working out of New York City, she currently lives in Vienna, Austria. She was first recorded on the album Gymnopedie in 2000 as a member of the theremin/keyboard duo called "The Kurstins" with her then-husband, keyboardist Greg Kurstin. Pamelia currently performs solo and with the New York-based group Barbez. She can be heard to full effect on Barbez's second album for Important Records, Insignificance, released in the Fall of 2005. She appears as herself in the 2004 documentary about legendary electronic instrument pioneer Dr. Robert Moog, entitled Moog. Lot's of news on her here, including a video of her experimenting with some new theremin cello....interesting. http://www.thereminworld.com/kurstin.asp Here is her current schedule (from her website above) for anyone who wants to track her down. She's now touring with the band Barbez. FEBRUARY 24, 2006 in ZAGREB, CROATIA a masterclass/demonstration plus a performance later that evening at THE STUDENT CENTER. If you'd like additional info, contact DAVORKA and she can assist you with any questions! FEBRUARY 25, 2006 DUBROVNIK, CROATIA at Art Workshop Lazareti... woohoo!!! MARCH 10, 2006... LONDON at VORTEX JAZZ CLUB i will be opening up with a solo looop set for Sebastian Rochford and other incredible musicians... should be a really fun night! Come hang out!!! MARCH 12 to MARCH 21, 2006.. U.S. TOUR WITH BARBEZ ... I'm back in the states touring with Barbez as we make our way to South by Southwest in Austin, TX... check the link above to see if we hit your city!! MARCH 25, 2006 PARIS More details coming soon... I will be playing with SEBASTIEN TELLIER!!! first time in SO SO SO LONG... we will be playing Seb`s music with some amazing visuals simultaneously... i will have more info soon! MARCH 29 to APRIL 1, 2006... FRANKFURT MUSIKMESSE if you happen to be there, i will be performing and demonstrating my moogie theremin... and hanging out!! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 11:27:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B85593BF00; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:23:42 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4406D5BE.1090308@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:27:37 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh I will play music from IZZ's new CD and music from other bands that will soon be in concert at the New Nersey Proghouse. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll start a month-long Special Focus on E-dition electronic music magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the CD from issue #5. The Vinyl Starter will be "Live" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Records and released in 1980. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#mar (a little later today.) Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 11:27:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11EF63BF08; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:23:59 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4406D5CF.1000209@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:27:50 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh I will play music from IZZ's new CD and music from other bands that will soon be in concert at the New Nersey Proghouse. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll start a month-long Special Focus on E-dition electronic music magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the CD from issue #5. The Vinyl Starter will be "Live" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Records and released in 1980. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#mar (a little later today.) Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 11:58:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 420083BEF5; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b901c63df3$f92470a0$62bee104@hppav> From: "rdwiv" To: References: <20060302070354.73886.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 manual Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 06:22:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C63DC1.ADFC1880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:58:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C63DC1.ADFC1880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roland US has it ....... http://www.rolandus.com/mojo/manuals.aspx ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Monica=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 manual Thanks...however this site, like the others, only has the ME-50=20 as the ME-30 is a now archaic model. Someone sent me a PDF=20 for the ME-30 but my server's not opening it. Art Simon wrote: = http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln=3Den&dsp=3D0&iCncd=3D= 48 > Hey - this might be dreadfully lo-tech to some but I just got an > unused BOSS ME-30 for $65 - seemed worth the price - > but no owner's manual. Does anyone know where to find a link > to download - ideally free? > Thanks... > Monica -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C63DC1.ADFC1880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roland US has it .......
 
http://www.rolandus.co= m/mojo/manuals.aspx
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Monica
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 = 1:03=20 AM
Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 = manual

Thanks...however this site, = like the=20 others, only has the ME-50
as the ME-30 is a now = archaic model.=20 Someone sent me a PDF
for the ME-30 but my = server's not=20 opening it.

Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> = wrote:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln= =3Den&dsp=3D0&iCncd=3D48
>=20 Hey - this might be dreadfully lo-tech to some but I just got = an
>=20 unused BOSS ME-30 for $65 - seemed worth the price -
> but no = owner's=20 manual. Does anyone know where to find a link
> to download - = ideally=20 free?
> Thanks...
> Monica

--
Art=20 = Simon
simart@null.net
http://art.simon.tripod.com
http://artsimo= n.iuma.com


Yahoo! Mail
Bring photos to life! New=20 PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C63DC1.ADFC1880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 12:01:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 045CB3BF01; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a001c63df0$fab9e510$6602a8c0@DELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <20060302070354.73886.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b901c63df3$f92470a0$62bee104@hppav> Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 manual Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:01:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009D_01C63DC7.112E21A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:01:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C63DC7.112E21A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OUTSTANDING!!! This should start answering some questions! Thanks. Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rdwiv=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:22 AM Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 manual Roland US has it ....... http://www.rolandus.com/mojo/manuals.aspx ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Monica=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 manual Thanks...however this site, like the others, only has the ME-50=20 as the ME-30 is a now archaic model. Someone sent me a PDF=20 for the ME-30 but my server's not opening it. Art Simon wrote: = http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln=3Den&dsp=3D0&iCncd=3D= 48 > Hey - this might be dreadfully lo-tech to some but I just got an > unused BOSS ME-30 for $65 - seemed worth the price - > but no owner's manual. Does anyone know where to find a link > to download - ideally free? > Thanks... > Monica -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C63DC7.112E21A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OUTSTANDING!!! This should start = answering some=20 questions! Thanks.
 
Sean Mormelo
www.seanmormelo.com
www.myspace.com/seanmormelo
EPK-=20 www.sonicbids.com/seanmorme= lo
www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo=
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rdwiv =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 = 7:22=20 AM
Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 = manual

Roland US has it .......
 
http://www.rolandus.co= m/mojo/manuals.aspx
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Monica
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 02, = 2006 1:03=20 AM
Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 = manual

Thanks...however this = site, like the=20 others, only has the ME-50
as the ME-30 is a now = archaic model.=20 Someone sent me a PDF
for the ME-30 but my = server's not=20 opening it.

Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> = wrote:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln= =3Den&dsp=3D0&iCncd=3D48
>=20 Hey - this might be dreadfully lo-tech to some but I just got = an
>=20 unused BOSS ME-30 for $65 - seemed worth the price -
> but = no=20 owner's manual. Does anyone know where to find a link
> to = download=20 - ideally free?
> Thanks...
> Monica

--
Art=20 = Simon
simart@null.net
http://art.simon.tripod.com
http://artsimo= n.iuma.com


Yahoo! Mail
Bring photos to life! New=20 PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. =
------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C63DC7.112E21A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 12:04:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08CC23BEFB; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a801c63df1$68e29410$6602a8c0@DELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <20060302070354.73886.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b901c63df3$f92470a0$62bee104@hppav> Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 manual-FALSE ALARM Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:04:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C63DC7.7F1E3470" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <2RgaD.A.fxC.28tBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:04:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C63DC7.7F1E3470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's the RA-50...NOT the RC-50....The Wait continues..I FAIL to = understand Roland's Manual policy...Put the damn thing up before it = comes out so we can all asses if it's going to work for us or not! Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rdwiv=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:22 AM Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 manual Roland US has it ....... http://www.rolandus.com/mojo/manuals.aspx ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Monica=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 manual Thanks...however this site, like the others, only has the ME-50=20 as the ME-30 is a now archaic model. Someone sent me a PDF=20 for the ME-30 but my server's not opening it. Art Simon wrote: = http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln=3Den&dsp=3D0&iCncd=3D= 48 > Hey - this might be dreadfully lo-tech to some but I just got an > unused BOSS ME-30 for $65 - seemed worth the price - > but no owner's manual. Does anyone know where to find a link > to download - ideally free? > Thanks... > Monica -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C63DC7.7F1E3470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's the RA-50...NOT the RC-50....The = Wait=20 continues..I FAIL to understand Roland's Manual policy...Put the damn = thing up=20 before it comes out so we can all asses if it's going to work for us or=20 not!
 
Sean Mormelo
www.seanmormelo.com
www.myspace.com/seanmormelo
EPK-=20 www.sonicbids.com/seanmorme= lo
www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo=
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rdwiv =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 = 7:22=20 AM
Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 = manual

Roland US has it .......
 
http://www.rolandus.co= m/mojo/manuals.aspx
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Monica
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 02, = 2006 1:03=20 AM
Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 = manual

Thanks...however this = site, like the=20 others, only has the ME-50
as the ME-30 is a now = archaic model.=20 Someone sent me a PDF
for the ME-30 but my = server's not=20 opening it.

Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> = wrote:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln= =3Den&dsp=3D0&iCncd=3D48
>=20 Hey - this might be dreadfully lo-tech to some but I just got = an
>=20 unused BOSS ME-30 for $65 - seemed worth the price -
> but = no=20 owner's manual. Does anyone know where to find a link
> to = download=20 - ideally free?
> Thanks...
> Monica

--
Art=20 = Simon
simart@null.net
http://art.simon.tripod.com
http://artsimo= n.iuma.com


Yahoo! Mail
Bring photos to life! New=20 PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. =
------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C63DC7.7F1E3470-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 14:02:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0CB03BEF8; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:09:49 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Theremin Looper - Pamelia Kurstin, the Theremin Cello, etc To: Message-id: <000401c63e02$f823f2c0$59f1a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <047001c63de8$2fa2c020$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <50DB_B.A.MsG.vrvBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:02:23 +0000 (UTC) I saw her a few years ago in Boston. At the time she struck me as an combination of looping novice and theremin virtuoso. I think at the time I saw her she was using a DL 4. Anyway, I can imagine in the last two or three years her looping will have improved. And she's well plugged into a scene. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 5:58 AM Subject: Theremin Looper - Pamelia Kurstin, the Theremin Cello, etc > Not sure if anyone has heard her play, but Pamelia Kurstin (from New York) > played some looping sets on the Theremin here in Boise, Idaho last year (and > actually leaving a protégé behind who will be looping at my experimental > music festival in April), but I'm noticing that her career is really taking > off and she's touring and giving workshops all over the world - for instance > a looping set in London on March 10 at the VORTEX JAZZ CLUB. Andy, you > should go introduce yourself and see what she's up to. I'm not sure what > she's using....maybe a DL4. > > http://www.pameliakurstin.com/ > > Here BIO: > > Pamelia Kurstin (born May 28, 1976 in Southern California) is a > world-renowned thereminist who has played and recorded with such prestigious > artists as David Byrne and Béla Fleck and the Flecktones and has performed > on the television show Saturday Night Live. Her musical training on the > upright bass has led to her unique "walking bass" theremin technique. Until > recently (late 2005) working out of New York City, she currently lives in > Vienna, Austria. > > She was first recorded on the album Gymnopedie in 2000 as a member of the > theremin/keyboard duo called "The Kurstins" with her then-husband, > keyboardist Greg Kurstin. Pamelia currently performs solo and with the New > York-based group Barbez. She can be heard to full effect on Barbez's second > album for Important Records, Insignificance, released in the Fall of 2005. > She appears as herself in the 2004 documentary about legendary electronic > instrument pioneer Dr. Robert Moog, entitled Moog. > > Lot's of news on her here, including a video of her experimenting with some > new theremin cello....interesting. > http://www.thereminworld.com/kurstin.asp > > Here is her current schedule (from her website above) for anyone who wants > to track her down. She's now touring with the band Barbez. > > FEBRUARY 24, 2006 in ZAGREB, CROATIA a masterclass/demonstration plus a > performance later that evening at THE STUDENT CENTER. If you'd like > additional info, contact DAVORKA and she can assist you with any questions! > FEBRUARY 25, 2006 DUBROVNIK, CROATIA at Art Workshop Lazareti... woohoo!!! > MARCH 10, 2006... LONDON at VORTEX JAZZ CLUB i will be opening up with a > solo looop set for Sebastian Rochford and other incredible musicians... > should be a really fun night! Come hang out!!! > MARCH 12 to MARCH 21, 2006.. U.S. TOUR WITH BARBEZ ... I'm back in the > states touring with Barbez as we make our way to South by Southwest in > Austin, TX... check the link above to see if we hit your city!! > MARCH 25, 2006 PARIS More details coming soon... I will be playing with > SEBASTIEN TELLIER!!! first time in SO SO SO LONG... we will be playing Seb`s > music with some amazing visuals simultaneously... i will have more info > soon! > MARCH 29 to APRIL 1, 2006... FRANKFURT MUSIKMESSE if you happen to be there, > i will be performing and demonstrating my moogie theremin... and hanging > out!! > > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 14:04:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38B763BEFC; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:04:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:11:33 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Theremin Looper - Pamelia Kurstin, the Theremin Cello, etc In-Reply-To: <047001c63de8$2fa2c020$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: References: <047001c63de8$2fa2c020$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:04:03 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Kris Hartung wrote: > Not sure if anyone has heard her play, but Pamelia Kurstin (from New York) > played some looping sets on the Theremin here in Boise, Idaho last year (and [snip] > Andy, you should go introduce yourself and see what she's up to. I'm not sure what she's using....maybe a DL4. > > http://www.pameliakurstin.com/ She was using a DL4 the last time I saw her: we were both at the Ethermusic 2005 theremin conference in Asheville last August. She's amazingly good on theremin, and a nice person too. regards, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 17:09:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EACD63BEF9; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--287977809 Message-Id: <4B65037F-3FD8-4B94-9A79-E3A64712235A@modaldub.net> From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:46:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3746058660 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g+qZWI0rFLK+bp/5hUqFtV6ZAr3WHb/rctGqkFrOfhke60Pz+pHcHA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.130.24.123|smtp03.lax.untd.com|outbound28-2.lax.untd.com|3nki@modaldub.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:09:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--287977809 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed sorry, i've been away for a bit... On Feb 13, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > Once again: if you are going to propose something, you are required =20= > to also include at least 2 paragraphs of a review explaining why it =20= > is essential to looping. Explain the historical context if fits =20 > into, how it was influential, what techniques it innovated, etc. > kim ^ this is so absurd & sounds pretty fascistic i must say. still, since i'm feeling expansive, some description for each title =20 previously mentioned: > At 06:19 PM 2/13/2006, jb wrote: >> let's not forget the seminal selt-titled CD: >> >> Holland Skin Tunnel >> guitar-bass-drum trio recording a sort-of (warm) white-noise, drone-=20 like, spare, fast instrumental rock that has been highly treated, =20 manipulated and so on, to the extent that it's almost noise. one =20 could postulate this album pre-figured something more melodic like =20 the My Bloody Valentine album 'loveless'. it's using the studio as an =20= instrument ala brian eno, and altering the overall recorded sound of =20 the group into one undulating mass of near noise that has "loops" of =20 fast rhythmic guitar-drum-bass thrash coming through the haze. it =20 sounds like loops in the playing, and so i think highlights a certain =20= aspect of looping perhaps often ignored in more recent discussions of =20= technology. the sound of this record is not for the faint of heart, =20 but rewarding for those that can appreciate it. >> and while we're getting off the beaten track, i can only assume =20 >> someone >> mentioned: >> >> Muslimgauze >> simple, 8-bit dub, or perhaps 'industrial dub', i don't know what =20 people call Muslimgauze.. but it's almost all great, and there's a =20 lot of it. to me it's one of the best examples of a certain =20 historical 'low-fi' or dub aspect of looping and its entr=E9 into more =20= trendy avenues. also reminds of a certain DIY, political sense of =20 looping in various "underground" circles, historically at least if =20 not so much today. reflects a 'hand-made' or dub style where "the =20 seams are showing" in a production sense. sometimes dance, often =20 drone, sometimes noise. lots of middle-eastern samples, dub beats, =20 looped bass lines. reminds me of those old Akai samplers... >> :Zoviet France: > this also reflects the historical "drone" influence on looping. more =20 uniquely perhaps, they are a twenty-years-later example of something =20 like the kind of tape manipulation made famous by Fripp and Eno in =20 Paris in 1974 (was it?) or so. the bootlegs are out there i think... =20 stretching tape from one machine to another, disabling erase heads =20 and letting it pile on... various low-fi looping methods of long =20 samples, mostly. these :zoviet france: recordings (late '80s to late =20 '90s i think) with cassette decks and a few guitar pedals, instead of =20= the earlier plate reverbs and reel-to-reel tape machines=96at least, =20 the earlier :zoviet france" recordings, which i think is the more =20 relevant. their "sources" are long text samples or slow industrial =20 machinery-type sounds, not the guitar playing of robert fripp. it's =20 not The Same certainly, but i think it's important as, in a sense, an =20= interesting Evolution from that earlier work, using similar methods =20 and so forth. >> that Ritchie Hawtin/Plastikman album where some experimental =20 >> (german i >> think) guy built a double-armed turntable to re-make one of =20 >> Plastikman's >> drone-y beats albums. primitive but all-the-more-effective-for-it =20 >> looping. if i recall, this was where *(someone-i-cannot-recall) made a custom =20 turntable. it had a heavily-weighted plate, dual arms spaced apart to =20= create a quick delay for the second output. these two outputs were =20 mixed to make an awesome beat. the original tempo and eq were =20 altered, the record played. the end sound was twice looped in a =20 sense, as the original drums were a series of alternating loops, and =20 the delayed extra tone-arm was like a loop of the aggregate. =20 hypnotic, repetitive minimal modern electronic 'techno' beats, =20 typical of Ritchie Hawtin (perhaps though a bit more minimal and =20 slow). i wish i could find a reference to this specific album on the =20 web.. perhaps it's too out-of-print. at any rate, an excellent flag =20 for mr. hawtin, a master of minimal dance music and certainly of the =20 Loop, on most of his recordings. again minimal and dub-style in some =20 ways. perhaps "Musik" is a more readily available title of his. anyway, these opinions are of course solely my personal "two cents", =20 offered from my belief that they are interesting listening and could =20 be of value to an interested person, and are in no way meant to =20 encourage you to lie, gamble, cheat, or otherwise get into trouble. -3nki ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Woody Guthrie: "This song is Copyrighted in U.S., under Seal of Copyright #154085, =20 for a period of 28 years, and anybody caught singin it without our =20 permission, will be mighty good friends of ourn, cause we don't give =20 a dern. Publish it. Write it. Sing it. Swing to it. Yodel it. We =20 wrote it, that's all we wanted to do." --Apple-Mail-4--287977809 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
sorry, i've been away for a = bit...


On Feb 13, 2006, = at 6:37 PM, Kim Flint wrote:

Once again: if you are going to propose something, = you are required to also include at least 2 paragraphs of a review = explaining why it is essential to looping. Explain the historical = context if fits into, how it was influential, what techniques it = innovated, etc.
kim

^ this is so absurd & = sounds pretty fascistic i must say.


still, since i'm feeling = expansive, some description for each title previously = mentioned:


At 06:19 = PM 2/13/2006, jb wrote:
let's not forget the seminal selt-titled = CD:

Holland Skin Tunnel


guitar-bass-drum trio = recording a sort-of (warm) white-noise, drone-like, spare, fast = instrumental rock that has been highly treated, manipulated and so on, = to the extent that it's almost noise. one could postulate this album = pre-figured something more melodic like the My Bloody Valentine album = 'loveless'. it's using the studio as an instrument ala brian eno, and = altering the overall recorded sound of the group into one undulating = mass of near noise that has "loops" of fast rhythmic guitar-drum-bass = thrash coming through the haze. it sounds like loops in the playing, and = so i think highlights a certain aspect of looping perhaps often ignored = in more recent discussions of technology. the sound of this record is = not for the faint of heart, but rewarding for those that can appreciate = it.


and while we're getting off the = beaten track, i can only assume someone

Muslimgauze


simple, 8-bit dub, or = perhaps 'industrial dub', i don't know what people call Muslimgauze.. = but it's almost all great, and there's a lot of it. to me it's one of = the best examples of a certain historical 'low-fi' or dub aspect of = looping and its entr=E9 into more trendy avenues. also reminds of a = certain DIY, political sense of looping in various "underground" = circles, historically at least if not so much today. reflects a = 'hand-made' or dub style where "the seams are showing" in a production = sense. sometimes dance, often drone, sometimes noise. lots of = middle-eastern samples, dub beats, looped bass lines. reminds me of = those old Akai samplers...


:Zoviet France:
=
this also reflects the = historical "drone" influence on looping. more uniquely perhaps, they are = a twenty-years-later example of something like the kind of tape = manipulation made famous by Fripp and Eno in Paris in 1974 (was it?) or = so. the bootlegs are out there i think... stretching tape from one = machine to another, disabling erase heads and letting it pile on... = various low-fi looping methods of long samples, mostly. these :zoviet = france: recordings (late '80s to late '90s i think) with cassette decks = and a few guitar pedals, instead of the earlier plate reverbs and = reel-to-reel tape machines=96at least, the earlier :zoviet france" = recordings, which i think is the more relevant. their "sources" are long = text samples or slow industrial machinery-type sounds, not the guitar = playing of robert fripp. it's not The Same certainly, but i think it's = important as, in a sense, an interesting Evolution from that earlier = work, using similar methods and so forth.



that Ritchie Hawtin/Plastikman = album where some experimental (german i
think) = guy built a double-armed turntable to re-make one of = Plastikman's
drone-y beats albums. primitive = but all-the-more-effective-for-it looping.
=

if i recall, this was where = *(someone-i-cannot-recall) made a custom turntable. it had a = heavily-weighted plate, dual arms spaced apart to create a quick delay = for the second output. these two outputs were mixed to make an awesome = beat. the original tempo and eq were altered, the record played. the end = sound was twice looped in a sense, as the original drums were a series = of alternating loops, and the delayed extra tone-arm was like a loop of = the aggregate. hypnotic, repetitive minimal modern electronic 'techno' = beats, typical of Ritchie Hawtin (perhaps though a bit more minimal and = slow). i wish i could find a reference to this specific album on the = web.. perhaps it's too out-of-print. at any rate, an excellent flag for = mr. hawtin, a master of minimal dance music and certainly of the Loop, = on most of his recordings. again minimal and dub-style in some ways. = perhaps "Musik" is a more readily available title of his.


anyway, these opinions are = of course solely my personal "two cents", offered from my belief that = they are interesting listening and could be of value to an interested = person, and are in no way meant to encourage you to lie, gamble, cheat, = or otherwise get into trouble.

-3nki






----- ----- ----- ----- -----

Woody = Guthrie:
"This song is Copyrighted in = U.S., under Seal of Copyright #154085, for a period of 28 years, and = anybody caught singin it without our permission, will be mighty good = friends of ourn, cause we don't give a dern. Publish it. Write it. Sing = it. Swing to it. Yodel it. We wrote it, that's all we wanted to = do."

=

= --Apple-Mail-4--287977809-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 18:05:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5C1F3BEF1; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:05:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ml/jXJJ992SZ9YJvqHWVwNADHAw4/sJqCwm1mo3NqlfJvWA7iX54yfpKElrPVlij0GfEnQfX2hEG2c+GCbFPlvXow4kRA46SmyyP8VHYVM/hwDc7lO+UvYN1TDEBbELkqfTKpQAVdIM2XglhAwrnJkDIY5aj6l63NTwSWsWGfLY= ; Message-ID: <20060302180534.78878.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:05:34 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <20060301223531.97BDE254049@smtp.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:05:44 +0000 (UTC) This is exactly why my setup no longer uses a traditional guitar amp. In the grand scheme of things it's just easier to use an amp modeler and put the looper in the effects loop of the mixer. Works like a charm. I recommend the Vox. If you can find one, Johnson (Digitech) made some killer amps that featured stereo effects loops that also work nicely for such things. I've got one of the pure digital ones and I have to admit it sounds pretty damn good. Mark --- Fluke wrote: > Seems crazy to me to even think about puting any > significant amount of > processing between guitar and preamp. A wah pedal > and maybe an EQ is as much > as I can contemplate there. I've been playing over > 20 years, and have used > racked processors of one sort or another for most of > that time, but it is > natural to me that any time-based processor shoudl > be fd a signal that is as > complete as possible. > > Nik > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? > Date: 01/03/06 22:20 > > > I wonder if ideally the best way isn't to mike the > amp and loop that. It > varies depending, I think. But I completely agree > with you that it's a > conundrum trying to incorporate the sound of the amp > itself since it's the > last part of the chain. Any arrangement is going to > compromise something > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 18:35:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 058973BEFC; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:35:07 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 62.3.248.115 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060302183504.95B5E25501E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Yup. I have the Vox Tonelab and love it. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: 02/03/06 18:05 This is exactly why my setup no longer uses a traditional guitar amp. In the grand scheme of things it's just easier to use an amp modeler and put the looper in the effects loop of the mixer. Works like a charm. I recommend the Vox. Mark ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 19:17:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32B483BEF9; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=A4naSFhxzc/QYOMwcw4o7Gys5vxwg9Z0l+ZexYCd/2zg/PAKNJq4j6faDqADApvtCK6hcr5mJZwLSb2NuZ0PVdKKu5w7AnePtmAabBQSWPfuSTvjEG80r8I2bFIzaBPMEZA/zJdXlxJtTZpzqisglNhPxWNZcSaU1WxMrdMeUCI= ; Message-ID: <20060302191701.10459.qmail@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:17:01 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: regarding amp v.s digital preamp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-188822345-1141327021=:9676" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:17:04 +0000 (UTC) --0-188822345-1141327021=:9676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I use my repeater in the fx-loop of my Mesa f-50. This works greate ! But it does not work that greate in my fender deluxes` fx loop.Too much noise. After my guitar I use prescription fuzz (like Torn), wah wah, Boss comp, Rat dist. I dont think I loose that much signal ! ! From here the signal goes into my TC 2290 and this split the signal onto the Mesa amp and the fender amp. The loops sounds only in the Mesa. But the guitar-sound I use to play over the loops is kind of stereo because of effects and the panning. In the TC 2290s` fx-loop I use reverb, Micro synth, POG, and Ibanez delay. I use RC 20 before my fender amp, for some additional looping. I am very pleased with my gear and the sound of the TC 2290. The repeater is greate ! I dont get troubled with noise or loss of signal ! But still I am very interested in trying the "all digital-thing with use of mixer" Rune F, Norway --0-188822345-1141327021=:9676 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I use my repeater in the fx-loop of my Mesa f-50. This works greate ! But it does not work that greate in my fender deluxes` fx loop.Too much noise. 
 
After my guitar I use prescription fuzz (like Torn), wah wah, Boss comp, Rat dist. I dont think I loose that much signal ! ! From here the signal goes into my TC 2290 and this split the signal onto the Mesa amp and the fender amp. The loops sounds only in the Mesa. But the guitar-sound I use to play over the loops is kind of stereo because of effects and the panning. In the TC 2290s` fx-loop I use reverb, Micro synth, POG, and Ibanez delay. I use RC 20 before my fender amp, for some additional looping.
 
I am very pleased with my gear and the sound of the TC 2290. The repeater is greate !
 
I dont get troubled with noise or loss of signal ! But still I am very interested in trying the "all digital-thing with use of mixer"
 
Rune F, Norway
--0-188822345-1141327021=:9676-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 19:25:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDC0B3BEF1; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:24:07 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: fade out on EH16 pedal? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:25:44 +0000 (UTC) I seem to have forgotten what settings on the reissue EH16 will allow a loop to be fade out. I would like to basically have it loop infinitely and then set on it again and have it slowly decay and fade rather than abruptly stopping when the loop is finished playing. There are so many damn modes and switches on this thing I am pretty sure I did this before but now I can't get back to it. I am using the V2 hardware with the bars setting >32 so I can manually start/stop the loop if that matters. thanks for any/all help. -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 20:19:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 799A23BEFE; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u0CGQIh0n83y5nk71bJlZNAcft5wDtZQOY8yLokoJplPHiZCiU66ICWO71j5pYqZ4tE0Vsjme32Dfp/uy3L3S6piipvS2E+YW9E//UVz+GsQbr/vI80zJkoGi2JpVHi7L6y6iHX/MCdQCh/hLFRMV1h10jwUeTBbTL9NfyffudI= ; Message-ID: <20060302201858.92823.qmail@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:18:58 -0800 (PST) From: Monica Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b901c63df3$f92470a0$62bee104@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1611753596-1141330738=:92386" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:19:00 +0000 (UTC) --0-1611753596-1141330738=:92386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just got one but thanks...also Sean. Definitely not self-explanatory! rdwiv wrote: Roland US has it ....... http://www.rolandus.com/mojo/manuals.aspx ----- Original Message ----- From: Monica To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 manual Thanks...however this site, like the others, only has the ME-50 as the ME-30 is a now archaic model. Someone sent me a PDF for the ME-30 but my server's not opening it. Art Simon wrote: http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=48 > Hey - this might be dreadfully lo-tech to some but I just got an > unused BOSS ME-30 for $65 - seemed worth the price - > but no owner's manual. Does anyone know where to find a link > to download - ideally free? > Thanks... > Monica -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --0-1611753596-1141330738=:92386 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I just got one but thanks...also Sean.
Definitely not self-explanatory!

rdwiv <rdwiv@webtv.net> wrote:
Roland US has it .......
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Monica
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: BOSS ME-30 manual

Thanks...however this site, like the others, only has the ME-50
as the ME-30 is a now archaic model. Someone sent me a PDF
for the ME-30 but my server's not opening it.

Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=48
> Hey - this might be dreadfully lo-tech to some but I just got an
> unused BOSS ME-30 for $65 - seemed worth the price -
> but no owner's manual. Does anyone know where to find a link
> to download - ideally free?
> Thanks...
> Monica

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Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --0-1611753596-1141330738=:92386-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 20:30:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0338C3BEF5; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <42.7b07500d.3138afea@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:30:34 EST Subject: Re: regarding amp v.s digital preamp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_42.7b07500d.3138afea_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:30:43 +0000 (UTC) --part1_42.7b07500d.3138afea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i just "got done"reconfiguring my set-up, talk about improv, yikes!.....i sit and stare at this absolute mess of cables but i am more than pleased with the sound i have today.....beware mixers and their insidious sends, it's about 89% of what i think about all of the time, is this healthy?.....i've given up playing clean, obviously it's more fun to look at all the lights.....a bit ago i had 4 asyncronious (no midi) loops going on, zoom2100, mo-fx, ineko (1) all going into the rang, all with different feedback and it all made sense to me.....imho the heart is the mixer, it makes many paths possible, too many if you ask me!.....:)mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_42.7b07500d.3138afea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i just "got done"reconfiguring my set-u= p, talk about improv, yikes!.....i sit and stare at this absolute mess of ca= bles but i am more than pleased with the sound i have today.....beware mixer= s and their insidious sends, it's about 89% of what i think about all of the= time, is this healthy?.....i've given up playing clean, obviously it's more= fun to look at all the lights.....a bit ago i had 4 asyncronious (no midi)=20= loops going on, zoom2100, mo-fx, ineko (1) all going into the rang, all with= different feedback and it all made sense to me.....imho the heart is the mi= xer, it makes many paths possible, too many if you ask me!.....:)mic



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 --part1_42.7b07500d.3138afea_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 21:05:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D51C3BF02; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=W6hdWvbScNWw4Cz67y3JGy9GDw7mTvBQpraZ/DyzMN2dQjFE2665UQVsTMlAmZXg0gpSdFCX3vvghV0Gxl7fPbEpaUQCCV0DYsMCgKXuvDE6LGI8xnnFpGbZWUn9tlA2r+tZhLzzrn4CKrLdtDZ+koyyUtEt1yxnQhDZJJQ574U= Message-ID: <26ba8d120603021305t6786f3ear39080f42c83305d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:05:15 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Theremin Looper - Pamelia Kurstin, the Theremin Cello, etc In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <047001c63de8$2fa2c020$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_HwloC.A.DY.M41BEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:05:17 +0000 (UTC) She however smokes like a chimney. She does a bit where she plays theremin with a lit cigarette which I gather she uses so she can have a cigarette on stage in the middle of the set so she doesn't withdraw from nicotine... On 3/2/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Not sure if anyone has heard her play, but Pamelia Kurstin (from New Yo= rk) > > played some looping sets on the Theremin here in Boise, Idaho last year= (and > [snip] > > Andy, you should go introduce yourself and see what she's up to. I'm > not sure what she's using....maybe a DL4. > > > > http://www.pameliakurstin.com/ > > She was using a DL4 the last time I saw her: we were both at the > Ethermusic 2005 theremin conference in Asheville last August. She's > amazingly good on theremin, and a nice person too. > > regards, > Steve B > http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://loopny.com ......... live looping on March 11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 2 22:13:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB0B03BEF6; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Te7KlvCihC2MeqEaXuw/BYbN0Oj8gUZOY6MGpQGTOHb5+LX4Os6JHppb8iwuzeRNiIzpuIkYK7UQo0oPXYBr6PmmMcwgbr6Y7ylIrIpOVyRui1LwQAbLI7pFSPiQhFXGpySdba0LeA6Wi1UkPx2podBh++aVopkd7gjqRNLAF7U= Message-ID: <2665e0c50603021413g5c2297c9m2e791d7a2c8747e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:13:15 -0600 From: "Ben M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: kind of off-topic, but a question for zoe :-) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5347_33454885.1141337595483" Resent-Message-ID: <6OgpnC.A.V6F.932BEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:13:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5347_33454885.1141337595483 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Zoe, You mentioned that you are using the c411 now, and I am too. I was just wondering where you stuck yours on the cello? I stuck mine on the bridge like the picture in the manual suggested, but I am not too wild about the sound so far. I tried sticking it to the body between the feet of the bridge, but there was kind of a rattle. All of this is really nuts since I had to jump through hoops to buy that stupid mini-XLR adapter. Damn that Eric Friedlander! thanks! ben ------=_Part_5347_33454885.1141337595483 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Zoe,
 
You mentioned that you are using the c411 now, and I am too.  I w= as just wondering where you stuck yours on the cello?  I stuck mine on= the bridge like the picture in the manual suggested, but I am not too wild= about the sound so far.  I tried sticking it to the body between the = feet of the bridge, but there was kind of a rattle.  All of this is re= ally nuts since I had to jump through hoops to buy that stupid mini-XLR ada= pter.
 
Damn that Eric Friedlander!
 
thanks!
ben
------=_Part_5347_33454885.1141337595483-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 04:17:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A335C3BF01; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 04:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <060301c63e79$5143a370$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:16:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 489, in=234599, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <8HPA7C.A.JlH._M8BEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 04:17:03 +0000 (UTC) I'm putting my new three-space soft rack together, the bottom space of which is waiting for my Looperlative. On the top two spaces, I have my Boss VF1 (for tone mangling), Lexicon LXP1 (for reverb), and my Lexicon LXP5 (also for tone mangling). Now, what the heck to I put in that third half-space slot? Any ideas? What units out there pack a lot of cool effects into a half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro in a half-space, or better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. Cheers, Kris <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) www.boisemusician.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) info@krispenhartung.com 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 04:21:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B233E3BF01; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 04:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c63e79$ffdb60d0$6701a8c0@DELL> From: "Peder Jakobsen" To: References: <060301c63e79$5143a370$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:21:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 04:21:52 +0000 (UTC) How about an RNC (Really Nice Compressor), or even better the RNLA (Really Nice Levelling Amplifier). http://www.fmraudio.com/RNLA7239.htm Ya gotta love the red dials. Peder :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:16 PM Subject: Half Space Effect Processors > I'm putting my new three-space soft rack together, the bottom space of > which is waiting for my Looperlative. On the top two spaces, I have my > Boss VF1 (for tone mangling), Lexicon LXP1 (for reverb), and my Lexicon > LXP5 (also for tone mangling). Now, what the heck to I put in that third > half-space slot? Any ideas? What units out there pack a lot of cool > effects into a half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro in a > half-space, or better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. > > Cheers, > > Kris > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) > www.boisemusician.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) > info@krispenhartung.com > 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 04:28:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A4F33BF02; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 04:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <061201c63e7a$f6bfb950$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <060301c63e79$5143a370$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002f01c63e79$ffdb60d0$6701a8c0@DELL> Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:28:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 487, in=229227, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 04:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Funny you suggest that (RNC). :) That's what I have on the floor, ready to put in the rack if I don't get anything else. I love those little compressors...not sure whether to put it before or after my laptop, however. I can do without it, however. I keep fairly consistent levels, despite all my processors, notebook processing, etc. Kris <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) www.boisemusicians.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) info@krispenhartung.com 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peder Jakobsen" To: Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors > How about an RNC (Really Nice Compressor), or even better the RNLA > (Really Nice Levelling Amplifier). > > http://www.fmraudio.com/RNLA7239.htm Ya gotta love the red dials. > > Peder :) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Hartung" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:16 PM > Subject: Half Space Effect Processors > > >> I'm putting my new three-space soft rack together, the bottom space of >> which is waiting for my Looperlative. On the top two spaces, I have my >> Boss VF1 (for tone mangling), Lexicon LXP1 (for reverb), and my Lexicon >> LXP5 (also for tone mangling). Now, what the heck to I put in that third >> half-space slot? Any ideas? What units out there pack a lot of cool >> effects into a half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro in a >> half-space, or better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Kris >> >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >> www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) >> www.boisemusician.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) >> info@krispenhartung.com >> 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 11:33:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A63B23BEF6; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:33:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:32:58 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 62.3.215.194 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060303113256.3EE8B255BE3@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:33:00 +0000 (UTC) You already have a Boss VF-1 which would be my first choice. Old Boss SE50 and SE70 can do quite a lot. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Half Space Effect Processors Date: 03/03/06 04:17 I'm putting my new three-space soft rack together, the bottom space of which is waiting for my Looperlative. On the top two spaces, I have my Boss VF1 (for tone mangling), Lexicon LXP1 (for reverb), and my Lexicon LXP5 (also for tone mangling). Now, what the heck to I put in that third half-space slot? Any ideas? What units out there pack a lot of cool effects into a half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro in a half-space, or better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. Cheers, Kris <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) www.boisemusician.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) info@krispenhartung.com 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 13:50:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C5E93BEFB; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qsrl0Fq6AIrW+DeF9tV4BVCtXxXFLqGz8MBO/a3vnhNz279v44q0Z/9vC8mZmBfl; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006353135319480@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:53:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ad7cf282e3066c5df73c9ec22f876c77350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.47 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Kris, Zoom made some SERIOUS half-rack tone manglers in the Olden Days. 9100 or 9050, if memory serves. Harmony Central folks sing their praises. Cheers, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Kris Hartung > To: > Date: 3/2/2006 11:28:50 PM > Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors > > Funny you suggest that (RNC). :) That's what I have on the floor, ready to > put in the rack if I don't get anything else. I love those little > compressors...not sure whether to put it before or after my laptop, however. > I can do without it, however. I keep fairly consistent levels, despite all > my processors, notebook processing, etc. > > Kris > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) > www.boisemusicians.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) > info@krispenhartung.com > 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peder Jakobsen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:21 PM > Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors > > > > How about an RNC (Really Nice Compressor), or even better the RNLA > > (Really Nice Levelling Amplifier). > > > > http://www.fmraudio.com/RNLA7239.htm Ya gotta love the red dials. > > > > Peder :) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kris Hartung" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:16 PM > > Subject: Half Space Effect Processors > > > > > >> I'm putting my new three-space soft rack together, the bottom space of > >> which is waiting for my Looperlative. On the top two spaces, I have my > >> Boss VF1 (for tone mangling), Lexicon LXP1 (for reverb), and my Lexicon > >> LXP5 (also for tone mangling). Now, what the heck to I put in that third > >> half-space slot? Any ideas? What units out there pack a lot of cool > >> effects into a half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro in a > >> half-space, or better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > >> www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) > >> www.boisemusician.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) > >> info@krispenhartung.com > >> 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 13:58:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C73463BEF5; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GOtU10iRItoaaw1d145aOSfXF2kvXzYicFlHhXKA2KK5uEqHHTPu+NVfpi5dcjj9vzIUmNO6+/2mJqLGJh2vZOU4/DOEpBvup14g06aNCVm685NlTGHXFh4Gq8gStl8eqRg7tR191Rwkh1pWm5CZhN6BhZzAI1K5hrPD9Pg2mEE= Message-ID: <57c7dfc00603030558o1591adf7k6b08c37f0691fe93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:58:22 +0100 From: "Karl Boman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: single-space rack guitar preamps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi! I'm new to the list, subscribed yesterday. I've been looking through the archives to get a feel for things, and I noticed in the discussion about single-spaced rackmount guitar preamps that no one made any mention of the t.c. electronic G line - the G-Major, the new G-Sharp and the flagship G-Force, as well as the G System which can be either a floor unit or a rackmount unit with a floorboard. I haven't actually played them myself, but they seem high in regard and t.c. is not a completely unknown name... Cheers, KB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 14:10:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E1B23BEF1; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Mm4bvPTgRIa54vj1gIz0yfJC8WseynKSLsxK3CfbGM5Qu+Nsb91Na//LqfQDHjDE83t02Ku+GDNKNsOwTAr8BuMZOEc5XBp4WEDrGfW5z8SfTsIw+ZoPzeCbu0DYT0zhHa4oerqZXzs+kr+AIS+LqCSaoepLiKHxffHEFSQceOA= Message-ID: <57c7dfc00603030610s647dfcaetaf631a1df9953bf7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:10:40 +0100 From: "Karl Boman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jose Gonzalez MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Hello again! Another topic that caught my eye. I've seen Jos=E9 play live twice, both solo and with Junip, and no looping took place. The roughness on some recorded tracks may well be a result of him recording everything at home in his apartment onto a regular PC running Cubase. Up until the "Crosses" EP he just used one mic, and for "Veneer" he bought another one and used them in tandem which makes the sound quality vary some between new and old tracks. He has a solid musical training and has played a lot before recording, so I doubt been doing any copy-paste in Cubase. It just seems really out of character. He did do a collaboration with Embee, I forget the name of the song, which had lots of loops and samples, but that was all Embee. Cheers! KB ps. This can be a bit tricky and a bit of a music nerd clich=E9 - but go for the EPs. The track "Down the Hillside" has almost as much power as all of "Veneer" combined, excepting "Crosses", "Save Your Day" and "Heartbeats". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 14:21:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96B493BEFB; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:16:22 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: single-space rack guitar preamps X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 62.3.215.194 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060303141619.F16C4256CB5@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:21:26 +0000 (UTC) The G-Force is a multi effects box that does some distortion/amp modeling. The Major and the Sharp are just multi effects. Only the new and as yet unproven System can really be called a Guitar Preamp. Welcome to the list. I'm new here too! Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: single-space rack guitar preamps Date: 03/03/06 13:58 Hi! I'm new to the list, subscribed yesterday. I've been looking through the archives to get a feel for things, and I noticed in the discussion about single-spaced rackmount guitar preamps that no one made any mention of the t.c. electronic G line - the G-Major, the new G-Sharp and the flagship G-Force, as well as the G System which can be either a floor unit or a rackmount unit with a floorboard. I haven't actually played them myself, but they seem high in regard and t.c. is not a completely unknown name... Cheers, KB ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 15:08:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD0483BEFE; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:05:01 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #466 for March 2, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44085B1D.4020900@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:08:59 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060302.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #466 March 2, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on E-dition electronic music magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight was the CD that came with issue #5. The Vinyl Starter was "Live" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Recrods and released in 1980. E-dition - PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Klaus Schulze Heart * Live (Brain) Joint Intelligence A Wreck No Phobia In Session (Bogus Focus) Committee Joint Intelligence Grasping Jasper In Session (Bogus Focus) Committee VA [Ian Boddy] Aurora E-dition #11 (Groove) VA [Ian Boddy] Chiasmata E-dition #11 (Groove) Mikronesia Arms Bent Tissue Paper Ghosts (Gears of Sand) Headshock Vortex Music from Peak Experience (Bogus Focus) Inner Voice Trance First Light (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== VA [Guido Meyer] Epedic E-dition #5 (Groove) VA [Tom Heasley] Ground Zero E-dition #5 (Groove) VA [Remy] Following Differences E-dition #5 (Groove) VA [Robert Rich] Somnium E-dition #5 (Groove) VA [David Parsons] Kangra Yatra E-dition #5 (Groove) VA [Volt] Obviously E-dition #5 (Groove) VA [Eloy Fritsch] The Garden of Emotions E-dition #5 (Groove) VA [Red Shift] Midnight Clean Minus E-dition #5 (Groove) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on E-dition magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the CD that came with issue #6. The Vinyl Starter will be "Live" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Recrods and released in 1980. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 16:17:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3F3B3BEFA; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:17:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <2665e0c50603021413g5c2297c9m2e791d7a2c8747e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <2665e0c50603021413g5c2297c9m2e791d7a2c8747e1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <043FFD6A-AE4D-4E89-B797-982F294F96A5@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: kind of off-topic, but a question for zoe :-) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:17:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 3e1e6b23-aad1-11da-84c5-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:17:46 +0000 (UTC) I don't use the mini XLR adapter. The mic just goes straight into my preamp and I give it phantom power from there... Anyway. Different for every cellist I've heard. I move it around all the time. Best spot for me is: - looking face on at the cello and measuring straight down from the "C" foot of the bridge - approx 4 inches down and 1 inch to the left. - closer to the bridge the more focused, but also the more thin - farther away gets warmer but also less focused (and boomy) - trick is to find the sweet spot in the middle. -a variation of just 1/2 an inch makes a huge difference. - for looping, I have a new trick....using two mics and a footswitch to go between them. The mics are in different spots on the cello and get different sounds. Then I can record some loops with one mic and some loops with another!! hope that helps! On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Ben M wrote: > Zoe, > > You mentioned that you are using the c411 now, and I am too. I was > just wondering where you stuck yours on the cello? I stuck mine on > the bridge like the picture in the manual suggested, but I am not > too wild about the sound so far. I tried sticking it to the body > between the feet of the bridge, but there was kind of a rattle. > All of this is really nuts since I had to jump through hoops to buy > that stupid mini-XLR adapter. > > Damn that Eric Friedlander! > > thanks! > ben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 17:54:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A1A73BEF9; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:54:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <060301c63e79$5143a370$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Just leave the space open to stash sandwiches, and snacks, or if you can find one, Boss made a half rack mixer called a an MX10, 10 line inputs and a stereo effects loop. A way to harness all of those tone manglers perhaps? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Half Space Effect Processors I'm putting my new three-space soft rack together, the bottom space of which is waiting for my Looperlative. On the top two spaces, I have my Boss VF1 (for tone mangling), Lexicon LXP1 (for reverb), and my Lexicon LXP5 (also for tone mangling). Now, what the heck to I put in that third half-space slot? Any ideas? What units out there pack a lot of cool effects into a half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro in a half-space, or better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. Cheers, Kris <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) www.boisemusician.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) info@krispenhartung.com 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 17:57:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFFFD3BEF5; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matilists@atarde.com.br@pop3.atarde.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060227175425.CB979CA0BC@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060227175425.CB979CA0BC@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:57:08 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2006 17:57:31.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[F15C9110:01C63EEB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:57:36 +0000 (UTC) I have learned to be very carefull with analisis of problems that involve "old school tube amp tone", because there seem to be some para scientific influences... but what you say splits in two separate issues: 1) Any loop before a "old school tube amp" must screw it up, independent on what loop unit you use, because the guitar is not going alone into it, the loops change its characteristics. as soon as you seriously distort, be it with tubes or any pedal, you get the interferences between your actual guitar and the loop content which usually sounds terrible. The mentioned solutions with insert and mic are not perfect either. The closest seems to me would be to feed the loop unit from a speaker simulator (not a power soak, since you do use the real speaker) at the output of the tube amp and then go from the looper into some flat monitor. I never tried it. Since 1974 I am perfectly happy with solid state :-) 2) the EDP is not quite as noise free as newer equipment is, which appears more when you put a compressor after it. tubes do compress somehow... >Christophe wrote: > >> > From all I've read and heard you all say, the EDP with the pedal >> > sounds like the >> > gold standard (apart from the Eventides and such) and the only >> > real complaint I >> > think I've seen is that it's not stereo. > >One issue that has gone around a few times on this list is that of >gain staging in the EDP. I've held a few different opinions on that >issue over the years >and presently think there is still a problem there (a caveat being >that my sample group consists of my 2 older model beige face >Oberheim EDPs). > >Being more of an old-school-guitar-into-tube amp-equals-tone type >guy, I've struggled off and on with my EDPs as tone-suck culprits. >Here's the issue >as I see it: A large part of the sound I want to hear is the sound >of my amp "breaking up" as my guitar signal hits the preamp stage of >a Fender tube >amp. Any pedals that change the way that signal hits the amp are >going to change the tone. When going through an EDP, I have met an >unwinnable >fight in trying to balance the loss of gain through the EDP vs. the >noise produced by the EDP. Through proper gain staging (setting of >input and output >levels on the EDP), I can minimize the problem, but not make it >disappear. I do not feel it is possible to simultaneously A) not >distort the input, B) have a >quiet loop with no hiss added by the EDP, and C) still have a full >gain signal hit the amp. I can get the loop hiss under control, but >there goes my amp >tone. I can get the amp screaming, but either deal with hiss or >digital distortion, depending on whether I'm leaning towards the >input or output of the >EDP. > >Loopers who are not concerned with old-school tube amp tone issues >probably don't care about this issue. If you have an amp modeler or >something >BEFORE the EDP and are then going into a super clean power amp just >to amplify your signal, you may never even notice this. But if you >are trying to use >the tone of your amp as a big part of your sound (like most guitar >sounds from the 1940's through the present), the EDP can be >frustrating. > >Don't get me wrong. I still love my EDPs. They are an amazing >tool. This is just one thing to think about. > >Cheers > >Joe Rut > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 18:14:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C5773BEF4; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:14:25 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001901c63eee$4e3d3310$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <061201c63e7a$f6bfb950$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> thread-index: AcY+evjvwbw8sEARTGaxGU32mGJrVwAcxDgg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Kris, don't you need an audio interface for your laptop and a place to put it? If so, put that one in the remaining rack space... ...if not, a device that can do really crazy things if used properly is the Sony GR-MP5 (don't remember the exact name, but something like this). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 18:19:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 783DB3BEF6; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <072101c63eef$0d2c49f0$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <001901c63eee$4e3d3310$0601a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:19:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 490, in=234933, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:19:49 +0000 (UTC) I use a Mackie board on top of my rack. I run to my Boss VF1 to the LXP5, to the laptop, to my looper, and then to the board. I did look up the Sony GR-MP5 last night...wow, that unit is hard to find! Once read that John McLaughlin used one of those, and the MP7 for reverb. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: AW: Half Space Effect Processors > Kris, > > don't you need an audio interface for your laptop and a place to put it? > If > so, put that one in the remaining rack space... > ...if not, a device that can do really crazy things if used properly is > the > Sony GR-MP5 (don't remember the exact name, but something like this). > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 18:20:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BA253BEFE; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <072c01c63eef$2d75ab70$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:20:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 488, in=229551, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:20:43 +0000 (UTC) BTW, I decided to get another VF1....I just love those little red boxes too much. I look forward to doing some interesting layering. Kris > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:17 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Half Space Effect Processors > > > I'm putting my new three-space soft rack together, the bottom space of > which > is waiting for my Looperlative. On the top two spaces, I have my Boss VF1 > (for tone mangling), Lexicon LXP1 (for reverb), and my Lexicon LXP5 (also > for tone mangling). Now, what the heck to I put in that third half-space > slot? Any ideas? What units out there pack a lot of cool effects into a > half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro in a half-space, or > better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. > > Cheers, > > Kris > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) > www.boisemusician.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) > info@krispenhartung.com > 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 18:22:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EC8E3BF01; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RperL12R5/EKYrISNsm2TastpH+oMADeJp/WhKZacVev43ar5yRwKtw2tEfTAyXwuTs8liDKrJCIPmpGjsPiShCxNvThO99ZQc43Cb7+At3t8jjkPeojAcJg9Wsgc5yQgJgSQHQrhXx9PZpVMzUqP1fST+26p/eLEik/l0CXABU= ; Message-ID: <20060303182254.61678.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:22:54 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060303113256.3EE8B255BE3@smtp.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:22:57 +0000 (UTC) > What units out there pack a lot of > cool effects into a > half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro > in a half-space, or > better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. Well you just mentioned two things that go nicely on the floor as well, so why not start exploring your floorspace? Seriously though, when I got to the point that your in, I ended up realizing that I did better with less. I always like to quote "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" It's true. When I got to a point where my guitar was mangled beyond belief I moved to synthesis for more sound options. Now I find I like my guitar more guitar sounding (sometimes). Perhaps put a half rack synth it that place? http://www.audiomidi.com/XV-2020-64-Voice-Synthesizer-P4110.aspx?CPID=392&AFID=3 I have the XV-5050 and I like it a lot. A half rack synth and one of those little m-audio midi controllers could give you tons of new options. Good luck, Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 18:53:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB6933BF02; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <18296697.1141412010950.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:53:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <3cepSB.A.yRH.sCJCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kris! How much was your "new" VF-1, if you don't mind my asking? I may "need" another VF-1, and I'm afraid that I won't be able to find one for $150 again ;-) Yours in Sound, Tim www.myspace.com/timmungenast -----Original Message----- >From: Kris Hartung >Sent: Mar 3, 2006 1:20 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors > >BTW, I decided to get another VF1....I just love those little red boxes too >much. I look forward to doing some interesting layering. > >Kris > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:17 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Half Space Effect Processors >> >> >> I'm putting my new three-space soft rack together, the bottom space of >> which >> is waiting for my Looperlative. On the top two spaces, I have my Boss VF1 >> (for tone mangling), Lexicon LXP1 (for reverb), and my Lexicon LXP5 (also >> for tone mangling). Now, what the heck to I put in that third half-space >> slot? Any ideas? What units out there pack a lot of cool effects into a >> half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro in a half-space, or >> better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Kris >> >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >> www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) >> www.boisemusician.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) >> info@krispenhartung.com >> 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) >> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 19:17:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 654353BF08; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c/qfcbqpZTiyq+mMCXTwGeOdeyUrNtz3C5JPTMoQfYGFtQk+VY45FcSGXcxeTm0xrgvnm/OPpGNKzzPwb2lfQg1mU+EugoSkIR01k2xjh51ErthZxv10+cG3YvWcwsOu0VTFWi2Qa1Cy7qSbeAXMLB/2FaXJ7Ul0QFxyDuK2dVs= ; Message-ID: <20060303191716.78918.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:17:16 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2xp3zB.A.yx.9YJCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:17:18 +0000 (UTC) i am looking for more suggestions on this tone issue,i am going from my GP-100 amp modeler into my mackie 1202 which has the EDP in the Aux and then into a yamaha P.A.powered monitor.I find The sound still a bit sterile and punch lacking would a dedicated guitar power amp like the mesa boogie 20/20 and a guitar cabinet make a difference or warm it up? > >Loopers who are not concerned with old-school tube > amp tone issues > >probably don't care about this issue. If you have > an amp modeler or > >something > >BEFORE the EDP and are then going into a super > clean power amp just > >to amplify your signal, you may never even notice > this. But if you > >are trying to use > >the tone of your amp as a big part of your sound > (like most guitar > >sounds from the 1940's through the present), the > EDP can be > >frustrating. > > > >Don't get me wrong. I still love my EDPs. They > are an amazing > >tool. This is just one thing to think about. > > > >Cheers > > > >Joe Rut > > > >-- > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Search for businesses by name, location, or phone > number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 19:27:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A99B83BEEC; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Do I need that EDP? Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:26:58 -0500 Message-ID: <005901c63ef8$715400e0$6600a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060303191716.78918.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcY+9xeTqOSDUlmsRCyJUU1bLyHIjgAAO1HA X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:27:02 +0000 (UTC) I used a GP-100 for years and upgraded to a Boss GT-Pro, which has effects routing galore...plus the ability to use 2 preamps per preset, selectable via switch or dynamic picking, even. I run mine into a full range system- I think a tube amp would tend to defeat the modeling. Oh, the GT-Pro has fun looping too, like the GP-100 (short >4 secs, but fun!) The software editor is wonderful too (all gear with a zillion parameters needs a software editor). Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:17 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? > > i am looking for more suggestions on this tone issue,i am > going from my GP-100 amp modeler into my mackie > 1202 which has the EDP in the Aux and then into a yamaha > P.A.powered monitor.I find The sound still a bit sterile and > punch lacking would a dedicated guitar power amp like the > mesa boogie 20/20 and a guitar cabinet make a difference or > warm it up? > > > > > > >Loopers who are not concerned with old-school tube > > amp tone issues > > >probably don't care about this issue. If you have > > an amp modeler or > > >something > > >BEFORE the EDP and are then going into a super > > clean power amp just > > >to amplify your signal, you may never even notice > > this. But if you > > >are trying to use > > >the tone of your amp as a big part of your sound > > (like most guitar > > >sounds from the 1940's through the present), the > > EDP can be > > >frustrating. > > > > > >Don't get me wrong. I still love my EDPs. They > > are an amazing > > >tool. This is just one thing to think about. > > > > > >Cheers > > > > > >Joe Rut > > > > > >-- > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > >Search for businesses by name, location, or phone > > number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > > > > > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos. > com/defaul > >t.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 19:42:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFED03BF02; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:42:11 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: Half Space Effect Processors MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1D917479.705D2AA6.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.77.76.157 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <-2YRqB.A.e6B.awJCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:42:18 +0000 (UTC) I was going to suggest the HR-MP5 too - a very lovely little unit, sits in my rack next to a Zoom 9030. Seriously underrated both, but I'd take the MP5 any time. The pitch shifter is a bit slow and naff though, but that's to be expected from mid '90s gear at that price. Someone has the guitar version (HR-GP5, IIRC) on eBay at the moment, but for a very silly price. - Tony "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" wrote: [ in support of the HR-MP5 ] __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 19:51:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E43EB3BF0E; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Mm5nG24yvyvyxUIafW/ZP7SrhKARHJUoC9CrzrT0jXUQvudBjs++zfYhKv5W4KtOGiK3GOCJId2CUpxAHbUG5WNVCvUGktpWr1KK3KhiNCeUiMx8nR5ZWowzyzt9mYBVweVdpI2XfPsOcwxThnKoiNu6QBCPox4SYps0zQajZe0= ; Message-ID: <20060303195143.14008.qmail@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:51:43 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Do I need that EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060303191716.78918.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1076948264-1141415503=:13028" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:51:45 +0000 (UTC) --0-1076948264-1141415503=:13028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! One of Norways best studio-guitarist (Eivind Aarset), bandleader/composer who also plays with Jon Hassell, uses two signal-routes. Signal one after pedals (moog, EH, line 6 dly) goes to amp. This is all analog. Signal two after pedals goes to eventide an onto repeater (looper) to DI and to PA. Best of both worlds ? Rune F, Norway Luis Angulo skrev: i am looking for more suggestions on this tone issue,i am going from my GP-100 amp modeler into my mackie 1202 which has the EDP in the Aux and then into a yamaha P.A.powered monitor.I find The sound still a bit sterile and punch lacking would a dedicated guitar power amp like the mesa boogie 20/20 and a guitar cabinet make a difference or warm it up? > >Loopers who are not concerned with old-school tube > amp tone issues > >probably don't care about this issue. If you have > an amp modeler or > >something > >BEFORE the EDP and are then going into a super > clean power amp just > >to amplify your signal, you may never even notice > this. But if you > >are trying to use > >the tone of your amp as a big part of your sound > (like most guitar > >sounds from the 1940's through the present), the > EDP can be > >frustrating. > > > >Don't get me wrong. I still love my EDPs. They > are an amazing > >tool. This is just one thing to think about. > > > >Cheers > > > >Joe Rut > > > >-- > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Search for businesses by name, location, or phone > number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1076948264-1141415503=:13028 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
One of Norways best studio-guitarist (Eivind Aarset), bandleader/composer who also plays with Jon Hassell, uses two signal-routes. Signal one after pedals (moog, EH, line 6 dly) goes to amp. This is all analog. Signal two after pedals goes to eventide an onto repeater (looper) to DI and to PA. Best of both worlds ?
 
Rune F, Norway     

Luis Angulo <labalou2000@yahoo.com> skrev:
i am looking for more suggestions on this tone issue,i
am going from my GP-100 amp modeler into my mackie
1202 which has the EDP in the Aux and then into a
yamaha P.A.powered monitor.I find The sound still a
bit sterile and punch lacking would a dedicated
guitar power amp like the mesa boogie 20/20 and a
guitar cabinet make a difference or warm it up?




> >Loopers who are not concerned with old-school tube
> amp tone issues
> >probably don't care about this issue. If you have
> an amp modeler or
> >something
> >BEFORE the EDP and are then going into a super
> clean power amp just
> >to amplify your signal, you may never even notice
> this. But if you
> >are trying to use
> >the tone of your amp as a big part of your sound
> (like most guitar
> >sounds from the 1940's through the present), the
> EDP can be
> >frustrating.
> >
> >Don't get me wrong. I still love my EDPs. They
> are an amazing
> >tool. This is just one thing to think about.
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Joe Rut
> >
> >--
> >_______________________________________________
> >
> >Search for businesses by name, location, or phone
> number. -Lycos Yellow Pages
> >
>
>http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
>
>
> --
>
>
> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>
>


www.luis-angulo.com

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--0-1076948264-1141415503=:13028-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 20:02:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E4873BEE0; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <074f01c63efd$54d4fb90$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060303191716.78918.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:01:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 490, in=235011, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:02:04 +0000 (UTC) >...would a dedicated > guitar power amp like the mesa boogie 20/20 and a > guitar cabinet make a difference or warm it up? Absolutely. The tubes of the 20/20 will warm it up and give it a more spongy and reactive feel, plus a guitar cab will remove some of the harsh high end and warm it up from the low mid range area. I just recently started using my electric guitar for jazz with a Mesa Boogie Mark I combo amp, rather than running straight into the board after my VF1 (which is what I use for avant-garde looping) and the difference is vast. I just re-affirmed my opinion that for live performance no amp modeling can replace the sound of an actual tube amp, the evolution of the tone over night as it warms up, etc. When I first started this new jazz gig, I setup with my two powered PA speakers, the Boss VF1 using the amp/cab simulator, and into my Mackie board. It was sterile and lifeless, which isn't a problem with I'm running tons of tone mangling effects on my guitar for my looping gigs. If you get a chance, listen to some of the work that Pat Metheny and John Scofield did together. Pat dirties his tone up with a solid state system, whereas John is using a tube amp system. In my opinion, Pat's sound sounds like dog sh*t...harsh, raspy, etc...whereas John's tone is warm and natural sounding, yet has a cutting edge to it that is not harsh...a matter of taste, I admit. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 20:08:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF3DE3BEE0; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JmWXTRAKnQaxrHslfc6KWkIE6ew/FHykhMfN3PE9plakJX0PVAndKupzSmXhovSEGAyKoniryTiSFoH1EuXhCgXrEefpM/mXRId0mTlOAgITRIX4TRrUGmjDDOZkRvbOG+RLJ3ufxl59W6ofKeUbS+DLTvBDBD0Nuz4MNwHUY5I= Message-ID: <2665e0c50603031208i378483c6k9559d64e0cf476ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:08:20 -0600 From: "Ben M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kind of off-topic, but a question for zoe :-) In-Reply-To: <043FFD6A-AE4D-4E89-B797-982F294F96A5@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5312_21671420.1141416500757" References: <2665e0c50603021413g5c2297c9m2e791d7a2c8747e1@mail.gmail.com> <043FFD6A-AE4D-4E89-B797-982F294F96A5@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:08:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5312_21671420.1141416500757 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Oh Zo'! I love your helpful ass so much! On 3/3/06, Zoe Keating wrote: > > I don't use the mini XLR adapter. The mic just goes straight into my > preamp and I give it phantom power from there... > > Anyway. Different for every cellist I've heard. I move it around all > the time. Best spot for me is: > > - looking face on at the cello and measuring straight down from the > "C" foot of the bridge - approx 4 inches down and 1 inch to the left. > - closer to the bridge the more focused, but also the more thin > - farther away gets warmer but also less focused (and boomy) > - trick is to find the sweet spot in the middle. > > -a variation of just 1/2 an inch makes a huge difference. > > - for looping, I have a new trick....using two mics and a footswitch > to go between them. The mics are in different spots on the cello and > get different sounds. > Then I can record some loops with one mic and some loops with another!! > > hope that helps! > > On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Ben M wrote: > > > Zoe, > > > > You mentioned that you are using the c411 now, and I am too. I was > > just wondering where you stuck yours on the cello? I stuck mine on > > the bridge like the picture in the manual suggested, but I am not > > too wild about the sound so far. I tried sticking it to the body > > between the feet of the bridge, but there was kind of a rattle. > > All of this is really nuts since I had to jump through hoops to buy > > that stupid mini-XLR adapter. > > > > Damn that Eric Friedlander! > > > > thanks! > > ben > > ------=_Part_5312_21671420.1141416500757 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Oh Zo'!  I love your helpful ass so much!

On 3/3/06, Z= oe Keating <cello@zoekeating= .com> wrote:
I don't use the mini XLR adapter= . The mic just goes straight into my
preamp and I give it phantom power = from there...

Anyway. Different for every cellist I've heard. I move it around al= l
the time. Best spot for me is:

- looking face on at the cello a= nd measuring straight down from the
"C" foot of the bridge - a= pprox 4 inches down and 1 inch to the left.
- closer to the bridge the more focused, but also the more thin
- fa= rther away gets warmer but also less focused (and boomy)
- trick is to f= ind the sweet spot in the middle.

-a variation of just 1/2 an inch m= akes a huge difference.

- for looping, I have a new trick....using two mics and a footswitc= h
to go between them. The mics are in different spots on the cello andget different sounds.
Then I can record some loops with one mic and so= me loops with another!!

hope that helps!

On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Ben M wrote:
> Zoe,
>
> You mentioned that you are using the c411 no= w, and I am too.  I was
> just wondering where you stuck yo= urs on the cello?  I stuck mine on
> the bridge like the picture in the manual suggested, but I am not<= br>> too wild about the sound so far.  I tried sticking it to = the body
> between the feet of the bridge, but there was kind of a ra= ttle.
> All of this is really nuts since I had to jump through hoops to buy> that stupid mini-XLR adapter.
>
> Damn that Eric Friedlan= der!
>
> thanks!
> ben


------=_Part_5312_21671420.1141416500757-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 20:09:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 023FC3BF05; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2780.128.193.37.212.1141416556.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: <060301c63e79$5143a370$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:09:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Half Space Effect Processors From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:09:17 +0000 (UTC) For empty rack spaces I think you should be thinking about products from: http://www.funklogic.com Why stop with boring Roland synths and effects when you could have a: 3P-III Palindrometer DD-301 Digilog Dynamicator AP-302 Algorhythmic Prosecutor and/or a Valvecaster 1960 (Dual Valve Teleknobic Preampulator) Loading up your rack with this gear will save you a lot of back pain while still impressing, well, _lots_ of folks! :-) Still looking for the machine that goes "ping", Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 20:58:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3A223BEF5; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001e01c63f05$2f2a1030$6701a8c0@DELL> From: "Peder Jakobsen" To: References: <060301c63e79$5143a370$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2780.128.193.37.212.1141416556.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:58:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <0X_lPD.A.Q5F.i3KCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:58:10 +0000 (UTC) > For empty rack spaces I think you should be thinking about products from: > http://www.funklogic.com Wow, I thought super nerdy useless aftermarket gear was only commercially viable in the Linux world or Honda Import tuning world , but I guess there's a market for it in music too. As for the RNC vertical faceplates, why wouldn't you just turn the box 90 degrees? Although I don't get the jokes on the dials, I must admit these things look pretty damn cool. What you may consider putting in that spare rack space is an old car radio with a tuner that you can use to dial into bizarre sounds and stations on the FM or AM band. I think Weather Report used to do that live (Their 8:30 Album? - oops , yah closet Fusion geek ). Peder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 22:21:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ACC93BEE2; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MqtFtPJ1fZKGUD5dF2qmoQrYGEYf7ojCXCJusl07EhCsTMdc0DnhTWFiIaDhtB9qZy8zrCDCs/dbotOhWvhKjeNCrJ4VTwBEt4/zQ/L9cPWbaezHI+BSY8Zfv2IzfJg44KhNW70/MOwZjMuvUDOuVY0hhOz3cmO2k4ofnLZAZVU= ; Message-ID: <20060303222132.41569.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:21:32 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <13772078.1141412283277.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Only if you're driving it with the midi out of some guitar/midi system. Roland makes a few decently priced models, but I recommend going for a dedicated MIDI controller of some sort. (I love the Novations because they feel great and have aftertouch) --- mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > Whoa! > That synth is deeeeeeeeeeeeeep. > I could get a real Wakemanesque Mellotron outa my > guitar that way :-) > ~Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 22:29:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5BFA3BEE2; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07be01c63f11$def0ba30$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <18296697.1141412010950.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:29:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 490, in=235160, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:29:04 +0000 (UTC) I'm doing a trade, but I'm seeing them on eBay (past auctions) from $175 to $225, Buy Now. $150 would be a screamin' deal. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hey Kris! > How much was your "new" VF-1, if you don't mind my asking? I may "need" > another VF-1, and I'm afraid that I won't be able to find one for $150 > again ;-) > > Yours in Sound, > Tim > www.myspace.com/timmungenast > > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Kris Hartung >>Sent: Mar 3, 2006 1:20 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors >> >>BTW, I decided to get another VF1....I just love those little red boxes >>too >>much. I look forward to doing some interesting layering. >> >>Kris >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:17 PM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Half Space Effect Processors >>> >>> >>> I'm putting my new three-space soft rack together, the bottom space of >>> which >>> is waiting for my Looperlative. On the top two spaces, I have my Boss >>> VF1 >>> (for tone mangling), Lexicon LXP1 (for reverb), and my Lexicon LXP5 >>> (also >>> for tone mangling). Now, what the heck to I put in that third >>> half-space >>> slot? Any ideas? What units out there pack a lot of cool effects into a >>> half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro in a half-space, or >>> better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >>> www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) >>> www.boisemusician.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) >>> info@krispenhartung.com >>> 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 22:37:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7F883BEF1; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:37:43 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: RE: Half Space Effect Processors X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.192.12 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060303223739.36816255F9D@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <01BTu.A.JiC.4UMCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Now there's an idea. I also have half a rack space vacant. I am seriously considering sawing down the middle of a Behringer patchbay and using half of that. Yes, it will still work. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: billwalker@baymoon.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Half Space Effect Processors Date: 03/03/06 17:54 or if you can find one, Boss made a half rack mixer called a an MX10, 10 line inputs and a stereo effects loop. A way to harness all of those tone manglers perhaps? Bill ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 22:41:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8480F3BEE0; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1895213.1141425673984.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:41:13 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <4VR4p.A.qtC.LYMCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Kris Todd from Denver here. Can I ask a few tonal questions about the VF-1? I mostly use such boxes for time based effects. What is the reverb, chorus, flange, delay like? Tap Tempo possible? What would you say the "character" of the chorus is? Tor lack of a better term. I am a lush chorus kind of cat and that is usually a real sticking point. I know, I know, If I am such a lush chorus kind of cat, Ishould just cowboy up and get a T.C. Electronics Chorus/Flanger. But that seems to be alot of dough for a relatively one trick pony space-wise. Is anybody out there terribly familiar with the T.C. Electronics box the G-System? I have seen some passing mentions I believe. Stop me if this is a repeat question. Todd -----Original Message----- >From: Kris Hartung >Sent: Mar 3, 2006 3:29 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors > >I'm doing a trade, but I'm seeing them on eBay (past auctions) from $175 to >$225, Buy Now. $150 would be a screamin' deal. > >Kris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: > >> Hey Kris! >> How much was your "new" VF-1, if you don't mind my asking? I may "need" >> another VF-1, and I'm afraid that I won't be able to find one for $150 >> again ;-) >> >> Yours in Sound, >> Tim >> www.myspace.com/timmungenast >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: Kris Hartung >>>Sent: Mar 3, 2006 1:20 PM >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors >>> >>>BTW, I decided to get another VF1....I just love those little red boxes >>>too >>>much. I look forward to doing some interesting layering. >>> >>>Kris >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:17 PM >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: Half Space Effect Processors >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm putting my new three-space soft rack together, the bottom space of >>>> which >>>> is waiting for my Looperlative. On the top two spaces, I have my Boss >>>> VF1 >>>> (for tone mangling), Lexicon LXP1 (for reverb), and my Lexicon LXP5 >>>> (also >>>> for tone mangling). Now, what the heck to I put in that third >>>> half-space >>>> slot? Any ideas? What units out there pack a lot of cool effects into a >>>> half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro in a half-space, or >>>> better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Kris >>>> >>>> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >>>> www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) >>>> www.boisemusician.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) >>>> info@krispenhartung.com >>>> 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 23:05:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8B063BEEC; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07e601c63f16$ee5e36a0$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1895213.1141425673984.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:05:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 153, in=96316, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:05:17 +0000 (UTC) VF-1: I think the reverb, chorus, delay, etc...is all very decent. It does have tap delay as well. I'm sort of a chorus snob myself, and I love the chorus on this unit...in fact, all of the Boss units I have had in the past have had superb stereo chorus. It has normal stereo chorus, 2X2 Chorus, and Space Chorus. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Howell" > Kris > > Todd from Denver here. Can I ask a few tonal questions about the VF-1? I > mostly use such boxes for time based effects. What is the reverb, chorus, > flange, delay like? Tap Tempo possible? What would you say the "character" > of the chorus is? Tor lack of a better term. I am a lush chorus kind of > cat and that is usually a real sticking point. I know, I know, If I am > such a lush chorus kind of cat, Ishould just cowboy up and get a T.C. > Electronics Chorus/Flanger. But that seems to be alot of dough for a > relatively one trick pony space-wise. > > Is anybody out there terribly familiar with the T.C. Electronics box the > G-System? I have seen some passing mentions I believe. Stop me if this is > a repeat question. > > Todd > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Kris Hartung >>Sent: Mar 3, 2006 3:29 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors >> >>I'm doing a trade, but I'm seeing them on eBay (past auctions) from $175 >>to >>$225, Buy Now. $150 would be a screamin' deal. >> >>Kris >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >> >>> Hey Kris! >>> How much was your "new" VF-1, if you don't mind my asking? I may "need" >>> another VF-1, and I'm afraid that I won't be able to find one for $150 >>> again ;-) >>> >>> Yours in Sound, >>> Tim >>> www.myspace.com/timmungenast >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>>From: Kris Hartung >>>>Sent: Mar 3, 2006 1:20 PM >>>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors >>>> >>>>BTW, I decided to get another VF1....I just love those little red boxes >>>>too >>>>much. I look forward to doing some interesting layering. >>>> >>>>Kris >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:17 PM >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>> Subject: Half Space Effect Processors >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm putting my new three-space soft rack together, the bottom space of >>>>> which >>>>> is waiting for my Looperlative. On the top two spaces, I have my Boss >>>>> VF1 >>>>> (for tone mangling), Lexicon LXP1 (for reverb), and my Lexicon LXP5 >>>>> (also >>>>> for tone mangling). Now, what the heck to I put in that third >>>>> half-space >>>>> slot? Any ideas? What units out there pack a lot of cool effects into >>>>> a >>>>> half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro in a half-space, or >>>>> better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Kris >>>>> >>>>> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >>>>> www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) >>>>> www.boisemusician.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) >>>>> info@krispenhartung.com >>>>> 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 3 23:12:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C47E3BEF6; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=A8mkemJSi/4KVfzTOg9uludkl7mZ7u9mjvZAXpkWrlbsWxrAoHTD57WBEYFVdqPP8fFicQdw1gUl0NxakWQBbWPI+Nb4PX/eoP4wFmsSVggUh9nmvXOc8scIfv5mp6EUR/b1S+v+AFVr2xHErWvDk7699UrbLEmDzRElJgy375A= Message-ID: <7b6c0ce70603031512r40a03811qa8b157ac46735b04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:12:11 -0500 From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Microphone router! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Hello all - after a hiatus from the world of looping i'm back doing some concerts - have been doing some fun stuff involving long (2 1/2 hour!) improvised sets and contact improvisation dancers - with my wireless mic i can dance and sing at the same time, which is loads of fun - have been studying some contact improv dance which is a wonderful stream of input into music improv also - also have a technical question which i'm wondering if anyone can help me out with - i have a pretty simple setup, 2 synths and a mic going into a tiny rolls mixer going into a chaos box going into a edp looper, and that's that - what i would like to be able to do is have a "mic router" (does such a thing exist?) so that most of the time the mic will be going into the looper, but sometimes will be going direct into the amp so that the keys are being looped but the mic is not - any ideas would be appreciated, thanks in advance, steve sandberg [p.s. have an interesting concert coming up in brooklyn on march 11, live improvised looping to some great rather psychedelic videos - if interested, get info at grandspace.com cheers! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 00:11:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E0053BEF4; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:10:56 +0000 Message-Id: <030420060010.24660.4408DB1000098D43000060542200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Matthias, Straight to the heart of the problem. Thank you! Regards from Boston, Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Matthias Grob > I have learned to be very carefull with analisis of problems that > involve "old school tube amp tone", because there seem to be some > para scientific influences... > > but what you say splits in two separate issues: > > 1) Any loop before a "old school tube amp" must screw it up, > independent on what loop unit you use, because the guitar is not > going alone into it, the loops change its characteristics. > as soon as you seriously distort, be it with tubes or any pedal, you > get the interferences between your actual guitar and the loop content > which usually sounds terrible. > The mentioned solutions with insert and mic are not perfect either. > The closest seems to me would be to feed the loop unit from a speaker > simulator (not a power soak, since you do use the real speaker) at > the output of the tube amp and then go from the looper into some flat > monitor. > I never tried it. Since 1974 I am perfectly happy with solid state :-) > > 2) the EDP is not quite as noise free as newer equipment is, which > appears more when you put a compressor after it. tubes do compress > somehow... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 00:37:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4587C3BEF5; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:37:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--83314038 Subject: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT From: David Trenkel To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <0BCB63BA-AB17-11DA-9380-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:37:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--83314038 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Hey, My neo-fusion/hip-hop/electronic band Eleven Eyes is hitting the road=20 for most of next month, and would like to invite any loopers in the=20 area to come check out the shows. This is the longest tour we've done=20 so far, both in distance covered and length of time on the bus, so=20 it'll be a very interesting trip. Plus, it's the highest elevations=20 we've hit so far as well. I mean, physical elevations, those mountains=20= are kinda tall... the dates: Thursday, 3/09/06: Quixote's True Blue, Denver CO Friday, 3/10/06, and Saturday, 3/11/06: The Green Light, Keystone, CO Monday, 3/13/06: The Fairplay Hotel, Fairplay, CO Tuesday, 3/14/06: The D Note, Arvada, CO Wednesday, 3/15/06: The Pearl Street Pub, Boulder, CO Thursday, 3/16/06 and Friday, 3/17/06: The Eldo, Crested Butte, CO Saturday, 3/18/06: Loaded Joe=92s, Avon, CO Monday, 3/20/06: The Silverado II Ballroom, Winter Park, CO Wednesday, 3/21/06: Mystic Hot Springs, Monroe UT Thursday, 3/22/06: Terrapin Station, Boise ID Friday, 3/23/06: Savino=92s Lounge, Hood River, OR http://www.savinoslounge.com And finally, Saturday, 3/24/06: back home in Eugene at the Black Forest=20= Tavern. --Apple-Mail-4--83314038 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Hey,=20 My neo-fusion/hip-hop/electronic band Eleven Eyes is hitting the road for most of next month, and would like to invite any loopers in the area to come check out the shows. This is the longest tour we've done so far, both in distance covered and length of time on the bus, so it'll be a very interesting trip. Plus, it's the highest elevations we've hit so far as well. I mean, physical elevations, those mountains are kinda tall... the dates: Thursday, 3/09/06: Quixote's True Blue, Denver CO Friday, 3/10/06, and Saturday, 3/11/06: The Green Light, Keystone, CO Monday, 3/13/06: The Fairplay Hotel, Fairplay, CO Tuesday, 3/14/06: The D Note, Arvada, CO Wednesday, 3/15/06: The Pearl Street Pub, Boulder, CO Thursday, 3/16/06 and Friday, 3/17/06: The Eldo, Crested Butte, CO Saturday, 3/18/06: Loaded Joe=92s, Avon, CO Monday, 3/20/06: The Silverado II Ballroom, Winter Park, CO Wednesday, 3/21/06: Mystic Hot Springs, Monroe UT Thursday, 3/22/06: Terrapin Station, Boise ID Friday, 3/23/06: Savino=92s Lounge, Hood River, OR http://www.savinoslounge.com And finally, Saturday, 3/24/06: back home in Eugene at the Black Forest Tavern. = --Apple-Mail-4--83314038-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 01:02:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A76783BEF5; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:02:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000d01c63f27$4f7e4eb0$6401a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <0BCB63BA-AB17-11DA-9380-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Subject: Re: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:02:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C63EE4.410E9C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:02:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C63EE4.410E9C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks David. Looks like you will have some long days and nights on the = road after 3/20. BTW, I check out your web site, eleveneyes.org, and = listened to your audio clips. Wow! Its genuine New Wave Jazz, which I = describe as jazz which breaks out of the moribund mold of smooth, = straight ahead and all usual forms of the idiom. Incorporating looping, = modern beats and electronic effects definitely does that. I esp liked = Big Dig. Bravo and best of luck to you and your fellow "eyes". - CW =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Trenkel=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT Hey,=20 My neo-fusion/hip-hop/electronic band Eleven Eyes is hitting the road = for most of next month, and would like to invite any loopers in the area = to come check out the shows. This is the longest tour we've done so far, = both in distance covered and length of time on the bus, so it'll be a = very interesting trip. Plus, it's the highest elevations we've hit so = far as well. I mean, physical elevations, those mountains are kinda = tall... the dates: Thursday, 3/09/06: Quixote's True Blue, Denver CO Friday, 3/10/06, and Saturday, 3/11/06: The Green Light, Keystone, CO Monday, 3/13/06: The Fairplay Hotel, Fairplay, CO Tuesday, 3/14/06: The D Note, Arvada, CO Wednesday, 3/15/06: The Pearl Street Pub, Boulder, CO Thursday, 3/16/06 and Friday, 3/17/06: The Eldo, Crested Butte, CO Saturday, 3/18/06: Loaded Joe=92s, Avon, CO Monday, 3/20/06: The Silverado II Ballroom, Winter Park, CO Wednesday, 3/21/06: Mystic Hot Springs, Monroe UT Thursday, 3/22/06: Terrapin Station, Boise ID Friday, 3/23/06: Savino=92s Lounge, Hood River, OR http://www.savinoslounge.com And finally, Saturday, 3/24/06: back home in Eugene at the Black = Forest Tavern. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C63EE4.410E9C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks David.  Looks like you will = have some=20 long days and nights on the road after 3/20.  BTW, I check out your = web=20 site, eleveneyes.org, and listened to your audio clips.  Wow! Its = genuine=20 New Wave Jazz, which I describe as jazz which breaks out of the moribund = mold of=20 smooth, straight ahead and all usual forms of the idiom.  = Incorporating=20 looping, modern beats and electronic effects definitely = does=20 that.  I esp liked Big Dig.  Bravo and best of luck to you and = your=20 fellow "eyes".  - CW  
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David = Trenkel=20
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 = 4:37=20 PM
Subject: Gig Spam: CO, ID, = UT

Hey,

My neo-fusion/hip-hop/electronic band = Eleven Eyes=20 is hitting the road for most of next month, and would like to invite = any=20 loopers in the area to come check out the shows. This is the longest = tour=20 we've done so far, both in distance covered and length of time on the = bus, so=20 it'll be a very interesting trip. Plus, it's the highest elevations = we've hit=20 so far as well. I mean, physical elevations, those mountains are kinda = tall...

the dates:

Thursday, 3/09/06: Quixote's True = Blue,=20 Denver CO

Friday, 3/10/06, and Saturday, 3/11/06: The Green = Light,=20 Keystone, CO

Monday, 3/13/06: The Fairplay Hotel, Fairplay,=20 CO

Tuesday, 3/14/06: The D Note, Arvada, CO

Wednesday, = 3/15/06:=20 The Pearl Street Pub, Boulder, CO

Thursday, 3/16/06 and Friday, = 3/17/06: The Eldo, Crested Butte, CO

Saturday, 3/18/06: Loaded = Joe=92s,=20 Avon, CO

Monday, 3/20/06: The Silverado II Ballroom, Winter = Park,=20 CO

Wednesday, 3/21/06: Mystic Hot Springs, Monroe = UT

Thursday,=20 3/22/06: Terrapin Station, Boise ID

Friday, 3/23/06: Savino=92s = Lounge,=20 Hood River, OR
http://www.savinoslounge.com

And finally, = Saturday,=20 3/24/06: back home in Eugene at the Black Forest=20 Tavern.

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C63EE4.410E9C60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 01:16:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B8AD3BEF5; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:Disposition-Notification-To:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=O8y+BfX0C3CQKLUwiqPS5Rd2VbjJvboW6QObaaXSj5eVYoOO9F6UJwD58TCGVxeWJGR/zbhUylx9biMckFLnMeQhJpRyLBRQ00LXvSjwU4FNBI0sRQl19GrgvMpMEek3JF1Mweh5FoC9b+L6Wul7C3PXPGsosrEFsuP3sDjuLCA= ; Message-ID: <4408EA55.9040103@yahoo.fr> Disposition-Notification-To: TeKZ Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 02:16:05 +0100 From: TeKZ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A New Looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone on the list, nice to meet you! Just want to say hello to all, a new looper from between France and Germany. I try to loop with my new Electribe SX and some other gear and toys, before I tried the same with my ES-1MkII and EA-1. The two Electribes are for sale if anyone is interested, drop me a line off-list! Both are about a year old and perfectly working, soon on ebay. Hope I can learn from you all, life is short! TeKZ http://www.superchelou.tk/ ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 01:21:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F6573BEFC; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:21:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:21:30 +0000 Message-Id: <030420060121.19643.4408EB9A0008DEA600004CBB2205886442CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19643_1141435290_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:21:33 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19643_1141435290_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Dave, Sigh! Wish it were my part of the country. God luck, and make sure you get some hiking in! Best from Boston, Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: David Trenkel > Hey, > > My neo-fusion/hip-hop/electronic band Eleven Eyes is hitting the road > for most of next month, and would like to invite any loopers in the > area to come check out the shows. This is the longest tour we've done > so far, both in distance covered and length of time on the bus, so > it'll be a very interesting trip. Plus, it's the highest elevations > we've hit so far as well. I mean, physical elevations, those mountains > are kinda tall... > > the dates: > > Thursday, 3/09/06: Quixote's True Blue, Denver CO > > Friday, 3/10/06, and Saturday, 3/11/06: The Green Light, Keystone, CO > > Monday, 3/13/06: The Fairplay Hotel, Fairplay, CO > > Tuesday, 3/14/06: The D Note, Arvada, CO > > Wednesday, 3/15/06: The Pearl Street Pub, Boulder, CO > > Thursday, 3/16/06 and Friday, 3/17/06: The Eldo, Crested Butte, CO > > Saturday, 3/18/06: Loaded Joe’s, Avon, CO > > Monday, 3/20/06: The Silverado II Ballroom, Winter Park, CO > > Wednesday, 3/21/06: Mystic Hot Springs, Monroe UT > > Thursday, 3/22/06: Terrapin Station, Boise ID > > Friday, 3/23/06: Savino’s Lounge, Hood River, OR > http://www.savinoslounge.com > > And finally, Saturday, 3/24/06: back home in Eugene at the Black Forest > Tavern. > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19643_1141435290_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: David Trenkel To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:37:28 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19643_1141435290_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19643_1141435290_1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Hey,=20 My neo-fusion/hip-hop/electronic band Eleven Eyes is hitting the road for most of next month, and would like to invite any loopers in the area to come check out the shows. This is the longest tour we've done so far, both in distance covered and length of time on the bus, so it'll be a very interesting trip. Plus, it's the highest elevations we've hit so far as well. I mean, physical elevations, those mountains are kinda tall... the dates: Thursday, 3/09/06: Quixote's True Blue, Denver CO Friday, 3/10/06, and Saturday, 3/11/06: The Green Light, Keystone, CO Monday, 3/13/06: The Fairplay Hotel, Fairplay, CO Tuesday, 3/14/06: The D Note, Arvada, CO Wednesday, 3/15/06: The Pearl Street Pub, Boulder, CO Thursday, 3/16/06 and Friday, 3/17/06: The Eldo, Crested Butte, CO Saturday, 3/18/06: Loaded Joe=92s, Avon, CO Monday, 3/20/06: The Silverado II Ballroom, Winter Park, CO Wednesday, 3/21/06: Mystic Hot Springs, Monroe UT Thursday, 3/22/06: Terrapin Station, Boise ID Friday, 3/23/06: Savino=92s Lounge, Hood River, OR http://www.savinoslounge.com And finally, Saturday, 3/24/06: back home in Eugene at the Black Forest Tavern. = --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19643_1141435290_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19643_1141435290_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 01:22:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB6333BEEC; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <081e01c63f2a$11bbe260$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <0BCB63BA-AB17-11DA-9380-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Subject: Re: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:22:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_081B_01C63EEF.6494D860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-NotAscii: charset=windows-1252 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 153, in=96393, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:22:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_081B_01C63EEF.6494D860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm here in Boise, ID, David. I'll put your gig in my calender and come = check you out. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Trenkel=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT Hey,=20 My neo-fusion/hip-hop/electronic band Eleven Eyes is hitting the road = for most of next month, and would like to invite any loopers in the area = to come check out the shows. This is the longest tour we've done so far, = both in distance covered and length of time on the bus, so it'll be a = very interesting trip. Plus, it's the highest elevations we've hit so = far as well. I mean, physical elevations, those mountains are kinda = tall... the dates: Thursday, 3/09/06: Quixote's True Blue, Denver CO Friday, 3/10/06, and Saturday, 3/11/06: The Green Light, Keystone, CO Monday, 3/13/06: The Fairplay Hotel, Fairplay, CO Tuesday, 3/14/06: The D Note, Arvada, CO Wednesday, 3/15/06: The Pearl Street Pub, Boulder, CO Thursday, 3/16/06 and Friday, 3/17/06: The Eldo, Crested Butte, CO Saturday, 3/18/06: Loaded Joe=92s, Avon, CO Monday, 3/20/06: The Silverado II Ballroom, Winter Park, CO Wednesday, 3/21/06: Mystic Hot Springs, Monroe UT Thursday, 3/22/06: Terrapin Station, Boise ID Friday, 3/23/06: Savino=92s Lounge, Hood River, OR http://www.savinoslounge.com And finally, Saturday, 3/24/06: back home in Eugene at the Black = Forest Tavern. ------=_NextPart_000_081B_01C63EEF.6494D860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm here in Boise, ID, David. I'll put = your gig in=20 my calender and come check you out.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David = Trenkel=20
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 = 5:37=20 PM
Subject: Gig Spam: CO, ID, = UT

Hey,

My neo-fusion/hip-hop/electronic band = Eleven Eyes=20 is hitting the road for most of next month, and would like to invite = any=20 loopers in the area to come check out the shows. This is the longest = tour=20 we've done so far, both in distance covered and length of time on the = bus, so=20 it'll be a very interesting trip. Plus, it's the highest elevations = we've hit=20 so far as well. I mean, physical elevations, those mountains are kinda = tall...

the dates:

Thursday, 3/09/06: Quixote's True = Blue,=20 Denver CO

Friday, 3/10/06, and Saturday, 3/11/06: The Green = Light,=20 Keystone, CO

Monday, 3/13/06: The Fairplay Hotel, Fairplay,=20 CO

Tuesday, 3/14/06: The D Note, Arvada, CO

Wednesday, = 3/15/06:=20 The Pearl Street Pub, Boulder, CO

Thursday, 3/16/06 and Friday, = 3/17/06: The Eldo, Crested Butte, CO

Saturday, 3/18/06: Loaded = Joe=92s,=20 Avon, CO

Monday, 3/20/06: The Silverado II Ballroom, Winter = Park,=20 CO

Wednesday, 3/21/06: Mystic Hot Springs, Monroe = UT

Thursday,=20 3/22/06: Terrapin Station, Boise ID

Friday, 3/23/06: Savino=92s = Lounge,=20 Hood River, OR
http://www.savinoslounge.com

And finally, = Saturday,=20 3/24/06: back home in Eugene at the Black Forest=20 Tavern.

------=_NextPart_000_081B_01C63EEF.6494D860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 02:05:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DE483BEFE; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 02:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000c01c63f30$19c7ea70$01fea8c0@telepath> From: "alltel" To: Subject: lexicon omega user needs looping help Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 21:05:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C63F06.30B66010" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 02:05:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C63F06.30B66010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have tried to overdub using Pro Tracks Plus, which came with my = Lexicon Omega interface a few years ago, with no success, even though I = can create loops and multitracks. I notice that now it comes with = Cubase. I want to be able to overdub with the Omega. I have tried to use = Ambiloop as stand alone, and even though I can choose the lexicon = drivers for input and output in the audio device selection, I am not = able to register any signal. I play wind instruments, percussion, keyboards, and am primarily = interested in creating ambient compositions. I am a fan of Steve Roach, = Steve Reich, Terry Riley, Brian Eno, etc. I think my different ethnic = flutes would be awesome for looping. I suspect that it is my ignorance of Pro Tracks that is holding me back, = but I have window shopped online seriously for gadgets like Boss RC 20XL = and Digitech's Jam Man. I presently do not own an amp. I use a Shure 57 or KSM 109 to record = with my Omega. Before I splurge on hardware and amp, I would like recommendations. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C63F06.30B66010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have tried to overdub using Pro = Tracks Plus,=20 which came with my Lexicon Omega interface a few years ago, with no = success,=20 even though I can create loops and multitracks. I notice that now it = comes with=20 Cubase. I want to be able to overdub with the Omega. I have tried to use = Ambiloop as stand alone, and even though I can choose the lexicon = drivers for=20 input and output in the audio device selection, I am not able to = register any=20 signal.
I play wind instruments, percussion, = keyboards, and=20 am primarily interested in creating ambient compositions. I am a fan of = Steve=20 Roach, Steve Reich, Terry Riley, Brian Eno, etc. I think my different = ethnic=20 flutes would be awesome for looping.
I suspect that it is my ignorance of = Pro Tracks=20 that is holding me back, but I have window shopped = online seriously=20 for gadgets like Boss RC 20XL and Digitech's Jam Man.
 
I presently do not own an amp. I use a = Shure 57 or=20 KSM 109 to record with my Omega.
 
Before I splurge on hardware and amp, I = would like=20 recommendations.
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C63F06.30B66010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 02:10:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 891FA3BEFE; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 02:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:10:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--77750323 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c63f27$4f7e4eb0$6401a8c0@charles2> Message-Id: <00070403-AB24-11DA-9380-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0.001 () HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <2G_qFD.A.cND.BcPCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 02:10:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--77750323 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Friday, March 3, 2006, at 05:02 PM, Charles Winters wrote: > Thanks David.=A0 Looks like you will have some long days and nights on=20= > the road after 3/20.=A0 Yeah, it's a long trip. But we have a pretty reliable bus, and tripleA+=20= to see us through :-) > BTW, I check out your web site, eleveneyes.org, and listened to your=20= > audio clips.=A0 Wow! Its genuine New Wave Jazz, which I describe as = jazz=20 > which breaks out of the moribund mold of smooth, straight ahead and=20 > all usual forms of the idiom.=A0 Incorporating looping,=A0modern = beats=A0and=20 > electronic effects=A0definitely does that.=A0 New Wave Jazz, I like that, we'll have to use it in the future. We like=20= to call it Rough Jazz, the anti-smooth jazz. > I esp liked Big Dig.=A0 Thanks, I wrote that one... > Bravo and best of luck to you and your fellow "eyes".=A0 - CW=A0=A0 And thanks for your kind comments! > =A0= --Apple-Mail-6--77750323 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Friday, March 3, 2006, at 05:02 PM, Charles Winters wrote: ArialThanks David.=A0 Looks like you will have some long days and nights on the road after 3/20.=A0=20 Yeah, it's a long trip. But we have a pretty reliable bus, and tripleA+ to see us through :-) ArialBTW, I check out your web site, eleveneyes.org, and listened to your audio clips.=A0 Wow! Its genuine New Wave Jazz, which I describe as jazz which breaks out of the moribund mold of smooth, straight ahead and all usual forms of the idiom.=A0 Incorporating looping,=A0modern beats=A0and electronic effects=A0definitely does that.=A0 New Wave Jazz, I like that, we'll have to use it in the future. We like to call it Rough Jazz, the anti-smooth jazz. Arial I esp liked Big Dig.=A0=20 Thanks, I wrote that one... ArialBravo and best of luck to you and your fellow "eyes".=A0 - = CW=A0=A0 And thanks for your kind comments! =A0= --Apple-Mail-6--77750323-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 02:11:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19A293BEFF; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 02:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:11:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--77676601 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <030420060121.19643.4408EB9A0008DEA600004CBB2205886442CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Message-Id: <2BF807C8-AB24-11DA-9380-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 02:11:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--77676601 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed On Friday, March 3, 2006, at 05:21 PM, Christophe wrote: > Hey Dave, > > Sigh! Wish it were my part of the country. We are looking onto the possibility of an east coast tour next fall, so=20= it may actually happen. But it's a long way from Oregon.... > > God luck, and make sure you get some hiking in! > > Best from Boston, > Chris > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: David Trenkel >> Hey, >> >> My neo-fusion/hip-hop/electronic band Eleven Eyes is hitting the road >> for most of next month, and would like to invite any loopers in the >> area to come check out the shows. This is the longest tour we've done >> so far, both in distance covered and length of time on the bus, so >> it'll be a very interesting trip. Plus, it's the highest elevations >> we've hit so far as well. I mean, physical elevations, those = mountains >> are kinda tall... >> >> the dates: >> >> Thursday, 3/09/06: Quixote's True Blue, Denver CO >> >> Friday, 3/10/06, and Saturday, 3/11/06: The Green Light, Keystone, CO >> >> Monday, 3/13/06: The Fairplay Hotel, Fairplay, CO >> >> Tuesday, 3/14/06: The D Note, Arvada, CO >> >> Wednesday, 3/15/06: The Pearl Street Pub, Boulder, CO >> >> Thursday, 3/16/06 and Friday, 3/17/06: The Eldo, Crested Butte, CO >> >> Saturday, 3/18/06: Loaded Joe=92s, Avon, CO >> >> Monday, 3/20/06: The Silverado II Ballroom, Winter Park, CO >> >> Wednesday, 3/21/06: Mystic Hot Springs, Monroe UT >> >> Thursday, 3/22/06: Terrapin Station, Boise ID >> >> Friday, 3/23/06: Savino=92s Lounge, Hood River, OR >> http://www.savinoslounge.com >> >> And finally, Saturday, 3/24/06: back home in Eugene at the Black=20 >> Forest >> Tavern. >> >> > > > > > From: David Trenkel > Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 4:37:28 PM US/Pacific > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT > > > Hey, > > My neo-fusion/hip-hop/electronic band Eleven Eyes is hitting the road=20= > for most of next month, and would like to invite any loopers in the=20 > area to come check out the shows. This is the longest tour we've done=20= > so far, both in distance covered and length of time on the bus, so=20 > it'll be a very interesting trip. Plus, it's the highest elevations=20 > we've hit so far as well. I mean, physical elevations, those mountains=20= > are kinda tall... > > the dates: > > Thursday, 3/09/06: Quixote's True Blue, Denver CO > > Friday, 3/10/06, and Saturday, 3/11/06: The Green Light, Keystone, CO > > Monday, 3/13/06: The Fairplay Hotel, Fairplay, CO > > Tuesday, 3/14/06: The D Note, Arvada, CO > > Wednesday, 3/15/06: The Pearl Street Pub, Boulder, CO > > Thursday, 3/16/06 and Friday, 3/17/06: The Eldo, Crested Butte, CO > > Saturday, 3/18/06: Loaded Joe=A2s, Avon, CO > > Monday, 3/20/06: The Silverado II Ballroom, Winter Park, CO > > Wednesday, 3/21/06: Mystic Hot Springs, Monroe UT > > Thursday, 3/22/06: Terrapin Station, Boise ID > > Friday, 3/23/06: Savino=A2s Lounge, Hood River, OR > http://www.savinoslounge.com > > And finally, Saturday, 3/24/06: back home in Eugene at the Black=20 > Forest Tavern. > > > --Apple-Mail-8--77676601 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-7 On Friday, March 3, 2006, at 05:21 PM, Christophe wrote: Hey Dave, Sigh! Wish it were my part of the country. We are looking onto the possibility of an east coast tour next fall, so it may actually happen. But it's a long way from Oregon.... God luck, and make sure you get some hiking in! Best from Boston,=20 Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: David Trenkel < Hey, My neo-fusion/hip-hop/electronic band Eleven Eyes is hitting the road=20 for most of next month, and would like to invite any loopers in the=20 area to come check out the shows. This is the longest tour we've done=20 so far, both in distance covered and length of time on the bus, so=20 it'll be a very interesting trip. Plus, it's the highest elevations=20 we've hit so far as well. I mean, physical elevations, those mountains=20= are kinda tall... the dates: Thursday, 3/09/06: Quixote's True Blue, Denver CO Friday, 3/10/06, and Saturday, 3/11/06: The Green Light, Keystone, CO Monday, 3/13/06: The Fairplay Hotel, Fairplay, CO Tuesday, 3/14/06: The D Note, Arvada, CO Wednesday, 3/15/06: The Pearl Street Pub, Boulder, CO Thursday, 3/16/06 and Friday, 3/17/06: The Eldo, Crested Butte, CO Saturday, 3/18/06: Loaded Joe=92s, Avon, CO Monday, 3/20/06: The Silverado II Ballroom, Winter Park, CO Wednesday, 3/21/06: Mystic Hot Springs, Monroe UT Thursday, 3/22/06: Terrapin Station, Boise ID Friday, 3/23/06: Savino=92s Lounge, Hood River, OR http://www.savinoslounge.com And finally, Saturday, 3/24/06: back home in Eugene at the Black Forest=20 Tavern. From: David Trenkel < Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 4:37:28 PM US/Pacific To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT Hey,=20 My neo-fusion/hip-hop/electronic band Eleven Eyes is hitting the road for most of next month, and would like to invite any loopers in the area to come check out the shows. This is the longest tour we've done so far, both in distance covered and length of time on the bus, so it'll be a very interesting trip. Plus, it's the highest elevations we've hit so far as well. I mean, physical elevations, those mountains are kinda tall... the dates: Thursday, 3/09/06: Quixote's True Blue, Denver CO Friday, 3/10/06, and Saturday, 3/11/06: The Green Light, Keystone, CO Monday, 3/13/06: The Fairplay Hotel, Fairplay, CO Tuesday, 3/14/06: The D Note, Arvada, CO Wednesday, 3/15/06: The Pearl Street Pub, Boulder, CO Thursday, 3/16/06 and Friday, 3/17/06: The Eldo, Crested Butte, CO Saturday, 3/18/06: Loaded Joe=A2s, Avon, CO Monday, 3/20/06: The Silverado II Ballroom, Winter Park, CO Wednesday, 3/21/06: Mystic Hot Springs, Monroe UT Thursday, 3/22/06: Terrapin Station, Boise ID Friday, 3/23/06: Savino=A2s Lounge, Hood River, OR http://www.savinoslounge.com And finally, Saturday, 3/24/06: back home in Eugene at the Black Forest Tavern. = --Apple-Mail-8--77676601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 12:05:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2543F3BEFA; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tZgLDGrRwycUMK/NYMz2gsggsXByQWVxDQiA3x1txJNOENSZb2j+AlI34KtX36bbnUz6FolxIlajaKBFPLgM6UhwgUESHsAFtPbkA9YjZ0I9SN9RFXqBMCSuYrg9ndAtR/mjX3h1vZ/LKrs7nQ76QQk4J6c3n9ekD5llLGj8qfk= ; Message-ID: <20060304120529.57154.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 04:05:29 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: amp modeling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005901c63ef8$715400e0$6600a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:05:31 +0000 (UTC) I tried the gt-8 and i am assuming is basically the same,the one thing i dont like about all this modeling trend is how the distortions compress and turn into mud,most of this modeling amps have maybe only one convincing amp sound in my opinion(on the rolands the JC120 and the line 6 their own model off course)and a lot of them dont really cut it live.I am more interested in their efx proccessor flexibilty,For recording purposes the modeling might be practical and they do sound good on tape but with the combo amps id rather have great efxs only with higher DSP quality going through one killer tube amp sound! more choices,more tweaking,less playing,more frustrated;-) --- hazard factor wrote: > I used a GP-100 for years and upgraded to a Boss > GT-Pro, which has effects > routing galore...plus the ability to use 2 preamps > per preset, selectable > via switch or dynamic picking, even. I run mine into > a full range system- I > think a tube amp would tend to defeat the modeling. > Oh, the GT-Pro has fun > looping too, like the GP-100 (short >4 secs, but > fun!) The software editor > is wonderful too (all gear with a zillion parameters > needs a software > editor). > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:17 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? > > > > i am looking for more suggestions on this tone > issue,i am > > going from my GP-100 amp modeler into my mackie > > 1202 which has the EDP in the Aux and then into a > yamaha > > P.A.powered monitor.I find The sound still a bit > sterile and > > punch lacking would a dedicated guitar power amp > like the > > mesa boogie 20/20 and a guitar cabinet make a > difference or > > warm it up? > > > > > > > > > > > >Loopers who are not concerned with old-school > tube > > > amp tone issues > > > >probably don't care about this issue. If you > have > > > an amp modeler or > > > >something > > > >BEFORE the EDP and are then going into a super > > > clean power amp just > > > >to amplify your signal, you may never even > notice > > > this. But if you > > > >are trying to use > > > >the tone of your amp as a big part of your > sound > > > (like most guitar > > > >sounds from the 1940's through the present), > the > > > EDP can be > > > >frustrating. > > > > > > > >Don't get me wrong. I still love my EDPs. > They > > > are an amazing > > > >tool. This is just one thing to think about. > > > > > > > >Cheers > > > > > > > >Joe Rut > > > > > > > >-- > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > > > >Search for businesses by name, location, or > phone > > > number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > > > > > > > > > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos. > > com/defaul > > >t.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection > > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 12:27:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15A533BEF9; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=n5B82PnwsQo8o/qhEJ8rZKpDt5N4qojRfmTlAXlv3YuKtzter72eWV6z+HYkrNiogtne6txwoOsVf21mgiijEUY+NTPcSqlkKj5XrItaUuCLqYtEFZ3JR5YhDx7MUuPMRPvgJWNn2rBbhoi5qX7/NmUHzz9s+XPBnSf0GR2QTo4= ; Message-ID: <20060304122703.68676.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 04:27:03 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: reality vs virtuality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <074f01c63efd$54d4fb90$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Right Kris,i have two separate rigs,one to play with a rock n roll band and one for the looping,it feels so good to play through a real tube amp with those little eccentric stomp boxes,but off course there is always another effect i want to add to my already full peadlboard and relearn to tap dance again,but this forces me to keep it at minimal.With my loop rig on the other hand is a joy to have this huge palette of sounds at the touch of a button...although sometimes cold to swim in a sterile sea of virtuality;-) Luis --- Kris Hartung wrote: > >...would a dedicated > > guitar power amp like the mesa boogie 20/20 and a > > guitar cabinet make a difference or warm it up? > > Absolutely. The tubes of the 20/20 will warm it up > and give it a more spongy > and reactive feel, plus a guitar cab will remove > some of the harsh high end > and warm it up from the low mid range area. I just > recently started using > my electric guitar for jazz with a Mesa Boogie Mark > I combo amp, rather than > running straight into the board after my VF1 (which > is what I use for > avant-garde looping) and the difference is vast. I > just re-affirmed my > opinion that for live performance no amp modeling > can replace the sound of > an actual tube amp, the evolution of the tone over > night as it warms up... > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 12:31:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B5FE3BF01; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=h/SK/gMlHhbEZy2EmggNK+PGvrX/oKMNkRRy6Aiau/5msOaq5gjQ136BvoiA61AppFMhnfyDis5CPYn9267UWCmrKCbEIickdVtABbKmhyDqfSPxP3hqVtP8gZtE0oBB5GiwKBhGwMdmBfXeP8CDMyl6y230SRR1SAklOiH0iic= ; Message-ID: <20060304123122.91150.qmail@web52811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 04:31:22 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Do I need that EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060303195143.14008.qmail@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:31:23 +0000 (UTC) yes this is it! but when you start carrying amps,stomp box pedalboards racks mixers and P.A. speakers to a gig we are back to square one;-( cheers Luis --- rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > One of Norways best studio-guitarist (Eivind > Aarset), bandleader/composer who also plays with Jon > Hassell, uses two signal-routes. Signal one after > pedals (moog, EH, line 6 dly) goes to amp. This is > all analog. Signal two after pedals goes to eventide > an onto repeater (looper) to DI and to PA. Best of > both worlds ? > > Rune F, Norway > > Luis Angulo skrev: > i am looking for more suggestions on this tone > issue,i > am going from my GP-100 amp modeler into my mackie > 1202 which has the EDP in the Aux and then into a > yamaha P.A.powered monitor.I find The sound still a > bit sterile and punch lacking would a dedicated > guitar power amp like the mesa boogie 20/20 and a > guitar cabinet make a difference or warm it up? > > > > > > >Loopers who are not concerned with old-school > tube > > amp tone issues > > >probably don't care about this issue. If you have > > an amp modeler or > > >something > > >BEFORE the EDP and are then going into a super > > clean power amp just > > >to amplify your signal, you may never even notice > > this. But if you > > >are trying to use > > >the tone of your amp as a big part of your sound > > (like most guitar > > >sounds from the 1940's through the present), the > > EDP can be > > >frustrating. > > > > > >Don't get me wrong. I still love my EDPs. They > > are an amazing > > >tool. This is just one thing to think about. > > > > > >Cheers > > > > > >Joe Rut > > > > > >-- > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > >Search for businesses by name, location, or phone > > number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > > > > > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 12:38:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3370A3BF04; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RwAgrSXvFDeHyZ7YoBxlnER9pp8Eg+RxJPR2+JyXkz1qrYNRb+f40SdYzOYvlti4oNexq5sQJoiXZbW8oxE3rGaiAc9HYXy09WVWxYX+BowtQO2GhcFJFTIfTkZjDC4ecLLzLFJiKpNM3Tow2GnoDO/9K+dcEYps6jUenjjr738= ; Message-ID: <20060304123845.867.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 04:38:45 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060302180534.78878.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5kl-zD.A.8jD.VpYCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:38:46 +0000 (UTC) hey mark ive been curious about this amps,Adrian Belew droped his refigerator to use this ones but i read they are quite complex to program? --- mark sottilaro wrote: > This is exactly why my setup no longer uses a > traditional guitar amp. In the grand scheme of > things > it's just easier to use an amp modeler and put the > looper in the effects loop of the mixer. Works like > a > charm. I recommend the Vox. > > If you can find one, Johnson (Digitech) made some > killer amps that featured stereo effects loops that > also work nicely for such things. I've got one of > the > pure digital ones and I have to admit it sounds > pretty > damn good. > > Mark > > --- Fluke wrote: > > > Seems crazy to me to even think about puting any > > significant amount of > > processing between guitar and preamp. A wah pedal > > and maybe an EQ is as much > > as I can contemplate there. I've been playing over > > 20 years, and have used > > racked processors of one sort or another for most > of > > that time, but it is > > natural to me that any time-based processor shoudl > > be fd a signal that is as > > complete as possible. > > > > Nik > > > > --------- Original Message -------- > > From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > > > Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? > > Date: 01/03/06 22:20 > > > > > > I wonder if ideally the best way isn't to mike the > > amp and loop that. It > > varies depending, I think. But I completely agree > > with you that it's a > > conundrum trying to incorporate the sound of the > amp > > itself since it's the > > last part of the chain. Any arrangement is going > to > > compromise something > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 13:01:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40D203BEFE; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=G7Oxu4RDiyni4mSWLt52TEvssc60BJLgyRXU+oTECH+CXAo7eZ0GxZzCdQsjblUl3Zp0sHSD/fp3nEFZ0XJZIj0rKnk5YxRokO5c255Q0p5jygTDFw/K+INbd7AqsSPXik3TAT7UTEvT766xbc9qtJmg5/9H6GVcDX/iKX2KE1I= ; Message-ID: <20060304130130.40933.qmail@web50014.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 05:01:30 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Maravel Subject: Microphone router! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060304012220.2259D3BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Steve, I use a Eurorack 1604 mixer to control the mic routing. By using the different outputs I can feed it into my Boomerang, Vortex, Digitech Vocalist or output it clean into my amp. I also have a Wavestation SR + a Korg N1R and can feed them in and out of the loop as well. Pretty basic solution and it works well.I believe Behringer makes smaller mixers with at least 2 outputs that would do the same thing. Pretty cheap nowadays. Good luck, Lee Maravel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 13:57:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A80763BF10; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:57:32 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: amp modeling X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.192.12 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060304135729.D597E25742A@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <56vA6D.A.lJH.OzZCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:57:34 +0000 (UTC) If you are trying to use one of these modellers with a regular guitar combo of course it won't sound good. The only way they sound good and deliver their best is direct to PA. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: amp modeling Date: 04/03/06 12:05 I tried the gt-8 and i am assuming is basically the same,the one thing i dont like about all this modeling trend is how the distortions compress and turn into mud,most of this modeling amps have maybe only one convincing amp sound in my opinion(on the rolands the JC120 and the line 6 their own model off course)and a lot of them dont really cut it live.I am more interested in their efx proccessor flexibilty,For recording purposes the modeling might be practical and they do sound good on tape but with the combo amps id rather have great efxs only with higher DSP quality going through one killer tube amp sound! more choices,more tweaking,less playing,more frustrated;-) ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 14:01:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76E523BF0E; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 14:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 14:01:10 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Do I need that EDP? X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.192.12 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060304140107.2081B258171@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 14:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm. My 4u rack and separate Tonelab and power amp take up less space than a regular Marshall head. My two full range wedges take up less space than a 4 x 12. My Vox VC-4, EDP controller and various expression pedals takes up less space as many people's pedalboards. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: 04/03/06 12:31 yes this is it! but when you start carrying amps,stomp box pedalboards racks mixers and P.A. speakers to a gig we are back to square one;-( cheers Luis --- rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > One of Norways best studio-guitarist (Eivind > Aarset), bandleader/composer who also plays with Jon > Hassell, uses two signal-routes. Signal one after > pedals (moog, EH, line 6 dly) goes to amp. This is > all analog. Signal two after pedals goes to eventide > an onto repeater (looper) to DI and to PA. Best of > both worlds ? > > Rune F, Norway > > Luis Angulo skrev: > i am looking for more suggestions on this tone > issue,i > am going from my GP-100 amp modeler into my mackie > 1202 which has the EDP in the Aux and then into a > yamaha P.A.powered monitor.I find The sound still a > bit sterile and punch lacking would a dedicated > guitar power amp like the mesa boogie 20/20 and a > guitar cabinet make a difference or warm it up? > > > > > > >Loopers who are not concerned with old-school > tube > > amp tone issues > > >probably don't care about this issue. If you have > > an amp modeler or > > >something > > >BEFORE the EDP and are then going into a super > > clean power amp just > > >to amplify your signal, you may never even notice > > this. But if you > > >are trying to use > > >the tone of your amp as a big part of your sound > > (like most guitar > > >sounds from the 1940's through the present), the > > EDP can be > > >frustrating. > > > > > >Don't get me wrong. I still love my EDPs. They > > are an amazing > > >tool. This is just one thing to think about. > > > > > >Cheers > > > > > >Joe Rut > > > > > >-- > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > >Search for businesses by name, location, or phone > > number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > > > > > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 15:20:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EAE03BF0E; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 15:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vN/g6f2zP+Wc70e/7K2P+JokKDIUokOK6q2dMfsI9i0XLwFDPlbL7cm6dhj6iQYLCrhF4gCNXQSLY82uANAq6tkLcsVgKJWNmK7IEKKMtKbmiCIJLI63B9ikNRQ86tkFf1SzPg1Zb1xHxZ3/s47suv5ah8o3+c4urgElL0eB/58= ; Message-ID: <20060304152044.80386.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 16:20:44 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. reality vs virtuality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060304122703.68676.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-475767674-1141485644=:76368" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 15:20:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-475767674-1141485644=:76368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Tell me have you ever tried to incorporate both rigs for a gig ? Rune F Luis Angulo skrev: Right Kris,i have two separate rigs,one to play with a rock n roll band and one for the looping,it feels so good to play through a real tube amp with those little eccentric stomp boxes,but off course there is always another effect i want to add to my already full peadlboard and relearn to tap dance again,but this forces me to keep it at minimal.With my loop rig on the other hand is a joy to have this huge palette of sounds at the touch of a button...although sometimes cold to swim in a sterile sea of virtuality;-) Luis --- Kris Hartung wrote: > >...would a dedicated > > guitar power amp like the mesa boogie 20/20 and a > > guitar cabinet make a difference or warm it up? > > Absolutely. The tubes of the 20/20 will warm it up > and give it a more spongy > and reactive feel, plus a guitar cab will remove > some of the harsh high end > and warm it up from the low mid range area. I just > recently started using > my electric guitar for jazz with a Mesa Boogie Mark > I combo amp, rather than > running straight into the board after my VF1 (which > is what I use for > avant-garde looping) and the difference is vast. I > just re-affirmed my > opinion that for live performance no amp modeling > can replace the sound of > an actual tube amp, the evolution of the tone over > night as it warms up... > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-475767674-1141485644=:76368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Tell me have you ever tried to incorporate both rigs for a gig ?
 
Rune F

Luis Angulo <labalou2000@yahoo.com> skrev:
Right Kris,i have two separate rigs,one to play with a
rock n roll band and one for the looping,it feels so
good to play through a real tube amp with those little
eccentric stomp boxes,but off course there is always
another effect i want to add to my already full
peadlboard and relearn to tap dance again,but this
forces me to keep it at minimal.With my loop rig on
the other hand is a joy to have this huge palette of
sounds at the touch of a button...although sometimes
cold to swim in a sterile sea of virtuality;-)
Luis



--- Kris Hartung wrote:

> >...would a dedicated
> > guitar power amp like the mesa boogie 20/20 and a
> > guitar cabinet make a difference or warm it up?
>
> Absolutely. The tubes of the 20/20 will warm it up
> and give it a more spongy
> and reactive feel, plus a guitar cab will remove
> some of the harsh high end
> and warm it up from the low mid range area. I just
> recently started using
> my electric guitar for jazz with a Mesa Boogie Mark
> I combo amp, rather than
> running straight into the board after my VF1 (which
> is what I use for
> avant-garde looping) and the difference is vast. I
> just re-affirmed my
> opinion that for live performance no amp modeling
> can replace the sound of
> an actual tube amp, the evolution of the tone over
> night as it warms up...
>

www.luis-angulo.com

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--0-475767674-1141485644=:76368-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 16:12:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B3BF3BF06; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 16:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: "Timothy Mungenast" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 16:12:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4409BC55.15068.FE41D8@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <410-22006353135319480@earthlink.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 16:12:13 +0000 (UTC) On 3 Mar 2006 at 8:53, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > Kris, Zoom made some SERIOUS half-rack tone manglers in the Olden > Days. 9100 or 9050, I had a 9050 which I used on every gig until it died of unknown causes about 6 years later. I keep meaning to replace it - it has a wide range of effects, including some I haven't heard anywhere else. They are quite cheap on on ebay. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 4 17:21:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F25303BF0B; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005201c63fb0$174241d0$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060304152044.80386.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Vedr. reality vs virtuality Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 10:21:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C63F75.69CBB840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 154, in=96571, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:21:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C63F75.69CBB840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Only if the gig paid me twice as much. :) Seriously, though, you bring = up a third system that I would use...I would use my notebook and rack, = but go directly into my tube amp rather than the Mackie board and PA. = This would be for the looping gigs where I used my electric, rather than = acoustic, and I didn't mind playing in mono, but still wanted to apply = some bizarre effects to my sound. Or I could just ust my notebook and = the tube amp, or just my rack and the tube amp...lots of options to = completely butcher the clean and warm tone of a Mesa Boogie Mark I.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Hi ! Tell me have you ever tried to incorporate both rigs for a gig ? Rune F Luis Angulo skrev: Right Kris,i have two separate rigs,one to play with a rock n roll band and one for the looping,it feels so good to play through a real tube amp with those little eccentric stomp boxes,but off course there is always another effect i want to add to my already full peadlboard and relearn to tap dance again,but this forces me to keep it at minimal.With my loop rig on the other hand is a joy to have this huge palette of sounds at the touch of a button...although sometimes cold to swim in a sterile sea of virtuality;-) Luis --- Kris Hartung wrote: > >...would a dedicated > > guitar power amp like the mesa boogie 20/20 and a > > guitar cabinet make a difference or warm it up? >=20 > Absolutely. The tubes of the 20/20 will warm it up > and give it a more spongy=20 > and reactive feel, plus a guitar cab will remove > some of the harsh high end=20 > and warm it up from the low mid range area. I just > recently started using=20 > my electric guitar for jazz with a Mesa Boogie Mark > I combo amp, rather than=20 > running straight into the board after my VF1 (which > is what I use for=20 > avant-garde looping) and the difference is vast. I > just re-affirmed my=20 > opinion that for live performance no amp modeling > can replace the sound of=20 > an actual tube amp, the evolution of the tone over > night as it warms up...=20 > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C63F75.69CBB840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Only if the gig paid me twice as much. = :) =20 Seriously, though, you bring up a third system that I would use...I = would use my=20 notebook and rack, but go directly into my tube amp rather than the = Mackie board=20 and PA. This would be for the looping gigs where I used my electric, = rather than=20 acoustic, and I didn't mind playing in mono, but still wanted to = apply some=20 bizarre effects to my sound. Or I could just ust my notebook and the = tube amp,=20 or just my rack and the tube amp...lots of options to completely butcher = the=20 clean and warm tone of a Mesa Boogie Mark I.
 
Kris
----- Original Message -----

 
Hi !
 
Tell me have you ever tried to incorporate both rigs for a gig = ?
 
Rune F

Luis Angulo <labalou2000@yahoo.com>=20 skrev:
Right=20 Kris,i have two separate rigs,one to play with a
rock n roll band = and one=20 for the looping,it feels so
good to play through a real tube amp = with=20 those little
eccentric stomp boxes,but off course there is=20 always
another effect i want to add to my already = full
peadlboard and=20 relearn to tap dance again,but this
forces me to keep it at = minimal.With=20 my loop rig on
the other hand is a joy to have this huge palette=20 of
sounds at the touch of a button...although sometimes
cold = to swim=20 in a sterile sea of virtuality;-)
Luis



--- Kris = Hartung=20 wrote:

> >...would a = dedicated
>=20 > guitar power amp like the mesa boogie 20/20 and a
> > = guitar=20 cabinet make a difference or warm it up?
>
> = Absolutely. The=20 tubes of the 20/20 will warm it up
> and give it a more spongy =
> and reactive feel, plus a guitar cab will remove
> = some of=20 the harsh high end
> and warm it up from the low mid range = area. I=20 just
> recently started using
> my electric guitar for = jazz=20 with a Mesa Boogie Mark
> I combo amp, rather than
> = running=20 straight into the board after my VF1 (which
> is what I use = for=20
> avant-garde looping) and the difference is vast. I
> = just=20 re-affirmed my
> opinion that for live performance no amp=20 modeling
> can replace the sound of
> an actual tube = amp, the=20 evolution of the tone over
> night as it warms up...=20 =
>

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------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C63F75.69CBB840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 02:36:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F27FD3BF05; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 02:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aAEl0T0t4Qrv+Os9mq0s4sY8t1JZfLKe2Ztm8wZHmeIVT6Ol7jV/qeZUwe471d0V; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200630523856250@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: VF-1 vs 9050 Re: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:38:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b295817b2f48aad5dc9bd59d8a3fd8bf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.15 Resent-Message-ID: <8ZshJ.A.3kG.i6kCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 02:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Good advice. Getting the spare VF-1 before they become "collectible." However, I'm also tempted to go for the Zoom 9050 that I've heard so much about, so the 2 different boxes can complement each other's strengths and weaknesses........and also because the 9050 are cheap and I am broke ;-) If I were rich, or more flush than I am now, I'd get that spare VF-1 AND the 9050. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Kris Hartung > To: > Date: 3/3/2006 5:29:05 PM > Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors > > I'm doing a trade, but I'm seeing them on eBay (past auctions) from $175 to > $225, Buy Now. $150 would be a screamin' deal. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > Hey Kris! > > How much was your "new" VF-1, if you don't mind my asking? I may "need" > > another VF-1, and I'm afraid that I won't be able to find one for $150 > > again ;-) > > > > Yours in Sound, > > Tim > > www.myspace.com/timmungenast > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >>From: Kris Hartung > >>Sent: Mar 3, 2006 1:20 PM > >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors > >> > >>BTW, I decided to get another VF1....I just love those little red boxes > >>too > >>much. I look forward to doing some interesting layering. > >> > >>Kris > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > >>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:17 PM > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: Half Space Effect Processors > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm putting my new three-space soft rack together, the bottom space of > >>> which > >>> is waiting for my Looperlative. On the top two spaces, I have my Boss > >>> VF1 > >>> (for tone mangling), Lexicon LXP1 (for reverb), and my Lexicon LXP5 > >>> (also > >>> for tone mangling). Now, what the heck to I put in that third > >>> half-space > >>> slot? Any ideas? What units out there pack a lot of cool effects into a > >>> half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro in a half-space, or > >>> better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Kris > >>> > >>> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > >>> www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) > >>> www.boisemusician.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) > >>> info@krispenhartung.com > >>> 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 02:38:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99B703BF10; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 02:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Xiy+ZKyoHZbluXrT9XGiLtzZF8REFtSCvL8R7pZ2WHjQqCS2fXq4BeMOKFgTCxhk; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220063052404820@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:40:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403cbc8d1b92c8275875cbb2ecfdb8d75f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.15 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 02:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Yes, Kris, the VF-1's choruses *are* quite usable, but don't forget the nice, warm detune patches! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Kris Hartung > To: > Date: 3/3/2006 6:05:18 PM > Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors > > VF-1: I think the reverb, chorus, delay, etc...is all very decent. It does > have tap delay as well. > > I'm sort of a chorus snob myself, and I love the chorus on this unit...in > fact, all of the Boss units I have had in the past have had superb stereo > chorus. It has normal stereo chorus, 2X2 Chorus, and Space Chorus. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Howell" > > > > Kris > > > > Todd from Denver here. Can I ask a few tonal questions about the VF-1? I > > mostly use such boxes for time based effects. What is the reverb, chorus, > > flange, delay like? Tap Tempo possible? What would you say the "character" > > of the chorus is? Tor lack of a better term. I am a lush chorus kind of > > cat and that is usually a real sticking point. I know, I know, If I am > > such a lush chorus kind of cat, Ishould just cowboy up and get a T.C. > > Electronics Chorus/Flanger. But that seems to be alot of dough for a > > relatively one trick pony space-wise. > > > > Is anybody out there terribly familiar with the T.C. Electronics box the > > G-System? I have seen some passing mentions I believe. Stop me if this is > > a repeat question. > > > > Todd > > > > -----Original Message----- > >>From: Kris Hartung > >>Sent: Mar 3, 2006 3:29 PM > >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors > >> > >>I'm doing a trade, but I'm seeing them on eBay (past auctions) from $175 > >>to > >>$225, Buy Now. $150 would be a screamin' deal. > >> > >>Kris > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: > >> > >>> Hey Kris! > >>> How much was your "new" VF-1, if you don't mind my asking? I may "need" > >>> another VF-1, and I'm afraid that I won't be able to find one for $150 > >>> again ;-) > >>> > >>> Yours in Sound, > >>> Tim > >>> www.myspace.com/timmungenast > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>From: Kris Hartung > >>>>Sent: Mar 3, 2006 1:20 PM > >>>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>>Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors > >>>> > >>>>BTW, I decided to get another VF1....I just love those little red boxes > >>>>too > >>>>much. I look forward to doing some interesting layering. > >>>> > >>>>Kris > >>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:17 PM > >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>>> Subject: Half Space Effect Processors > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm putting my new three-space soft rack together, the bottom space of > >>>>> which > >>>>> is waiting for my Looperlative. On the top two spaces, I have my Boss > >>>>> VF1 > >>>>> (for tone mangling), Lexicon LXP1 (for reverb), and my Lexicon LXP5 > >>>>> (also > >>>>> for tone mangling). Now, what the heck to I put in that third > >>>>> half-space > >>>>> slot? Any ideas? What units out there pack a lot of cool effects into > >>>>> a > >>>>> half space? I wish they made the Line 6 Filter Pro in a half-space, or > >>>>> better yet the electro-harmonix micro guitar synth. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> > >>>>> Kris > >>>>> > >>>>> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > >>>>> www.krispenhartung.com (solo work) > >>>>> www.boisemusician.com/newvibetrio/ (jazz trio) > >>>>> info@krispenhartung.com > >>>>> 208-724-5604 (call me for cripes sakes!) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 04:24:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6672B3BEE4; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 04:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cf01c6400c$a94d52c0$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:24:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 154, in=96739, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 04:24:19 +0000 (UTC) I need to start using my Shoutcast bandwidth, so I thought I would stream my John Abercrombie CD collection all night. 16 CDs. Hopefully this will be a good taste for those who have never listened to him. Next is Terje Rypdal and John McLaughlin. http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") ************************************************* Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 06:03:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B92883BF0D; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <440A7F15.4020001@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 07:03:01 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Non-Tape-Loop References: <00cc01c63803$60f05ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <00cc01c63803$60f05ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:03:08 +0000 (UTC) loop.pool wrote: > > > This expression has nothing whatsoever to do with the tape literally > breaking down. It refers to when a band in a recording session would > make such a bad musical mistake that the whole recording had to be > stopped and recorded over again. I agree to that. In fact usually the first take is rarly musically good, its fine to throw it away completely, it was just warm up. But If the band is bad, there is still a chance that you have to use it. > Before the advent of digital recording, a band had to play a song > from the start to the finish as perfectly as possible in order to get > a good recording. This was only true before tapes were used to record. The big advantage of tapes is, you can easily splice them. > Even when playing to a click track it was incredibly problematic to > try and physically splice one well recorded portion of a song onto > another. I've done it a thousand times, not complicated at all. The only thing was, there was no undo. To edit rythmically correct needed some experience, but once learned its solid as a rock. > It was done occasionally but it was extremely rare in most > recording studios, especially more inexpensive local recording > studios. I think the opposite is true, in cheap recording studios you had to get it on tape fast, thus people would even splice takes which are out of tune to each other. > That all changed in the 80's with the advent of digital recording and > digital crossfading. The first digital recorders were very complicated, I am not sure if you could splice them. Maybe that phrase came up around that time, because for getting the superior quality you'd needed to have better complete takes. > I'll never forget the very first ADAT recording session I was at. I > was blown away because as soon as we screwed up the first chorus, the > engineer said, "Everybody play along with the tape and I'll punch in > the entire band on the down beat of the chorus." This was common practice with analog tape for decades before. Multitrack recording allowed to record part by part, or just punch in the track which was bad. > The ADAT allowed for digital crossfading between the two sections of > the song. The splice of analog tape is actually also a perfect crossfade. You cut in in an angle. With 24-track 2" Tapes it was a bit more problematic. > Digital recording allowed bands to just play for one section of a > song. As mentioned before this was possible decades before on analog as well. I remember my first own multitrack, a Fostex A-8 would do it easily. And watch the Multiple SIDosis video, already in the 50's you could do this kind of stuff even with home recording equipment... > Now if you hear the phrase "the first take broke down" it generally > means that the computers have crashed..................lol. Yeah Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 12:54:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF91A3BF02; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CANRrCkSHZSw Message-ID: <00aa01c64053$ec19b9d0$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: "loopersdelight" References: <410-220063052404820@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:54:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0609-3, 03/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Not effect processors as such, but Nobels do a nice range of 1/4 space expansion modules that can be interlinked to fill in a few holes in the rack http://www.nobels.com/en/index.htm -- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 14:21:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D09753BEEC; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAOyACkSHZiw Message-ID: <00b401c64060$1d55d400$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: "loopersdelight" Subject: Fun with Mobius! Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:21:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0609-3, 03/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:21:43 +0000 (UTC) I've been trying to set up a computer based looping setup for the past month or so which will allow me to loop without thinking too much about the hardware involved. Initially, I started on Ambiloop, then SooperLooper for OSX (on my old trusty ibook, then using Linux on an old PC laptop).... I was plagued with problems - mainly due to my antiquated equipment, and lack of latency correction (very noticable when overdubbing rhythmic passages) On Friday, I gave up and reverted back to using two echo pro's after 'jack' kept crashing on the ibook, and the PC linux laptop was just too slow to do anything with. For some reason, I decided to give Mobius another chance and installed it on my desktop PC, and was blown away with how easy it was to set up the latency correction and assign Midi commands from the FCB1010! I was looping hands-free within about 5 minutes! The interface is simple and concise... and it worked flawlessly!!! Using my desktop PC for now means that I cannot take the rig out for gigs, but if I sell my Echo Pro's and filter pro, then I might have enough for a decent(ish) PC laptop.... :) Are there many loopers here that use Mobius as their main looping system? -- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 14:41:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E5D83BEE8; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DgsXJyWfghYEa20nY3jzEgkiJKt6JVD5F5Qz+do6w/N5iCP2RE0siX23mXVavVMfyLWB1LFMMxpxELk0Eq+nDbPhqOwUr9UYxfYvVaDA8nzglnj+xPKMewgH9QcbMhhpVWqkoFsotvX7BTAmBa8nJ6R6/nFB7vCISKHmjUYMNNQ= Message-ID: <7b6c0ce70603050641v40083b18y6d02dcb85b9dad0f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:41:56 -0500 From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Microphone router & hello again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Hello all - after a hiatus from the world of looping i'm back to it an to the list - have been doing some fun stuff involving long (2 1/2 hour!) improvised sets and contact improvisation dancers - with my wireless mic i can dance and sing at the same time, which is loads of fun - have been studying some contact improv dance which is a wonderful stream of input into music improv also - also have a technical question which i'm wondering if anyone can help me out with - i have a pretty simple setup, 2 synths and a mic going into a tiny rolls mixer going into a chaos box going into a edp looper, and that's that - what i would like to be able to do is have a "mic router" (does such a thing exist?) so that most of the time the mic will be going into the looper, but sometimes will be going direct into the amp so that the keys are being looped but the mic is not - any ideas would be appreciated, thanks in advance, steve sandberg [p.s. have an interesting concert coming up in brooklyn on march 11, live improvised looping to some great rather psychedelic videos - if interested, get info at grandspace.com cheers! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 14:49:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 082073BF04; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: Microphone router & hello again Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 08:49:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7b6c0ce70603050641v40083b18y6d02dcb85b9dad0f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-Bae9C.A.5XC.xpvCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Steve this came from Lee but didn't use your subject line-I almost missed it myself. ~peace~ Michael *************************************** Steve, I use a Eurorack 1604 mixer to control the mic routing. By using the different outputs I can feed it into my Boomerang, Vortex, Digitech Vocalist or output it clean into my amp. I also have a Wavestation SR + a Korg N1R and can feed them in and out of the loop as well. Pretty basic solution and it works well.I believe Behringer makes smaller mixers with at least 2 outputs that would do the same thing. Pretty cheap nowadays. Good luck, Lee Maravel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Sandberg [mailto:stevesandbergmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Microphone router & hello again Hello all - after a hiatus from the world of looping i'm back to it an to the list - have been doing some fun stuff involving long (2 1/2 hour!) improvised sets and contact improvisation dancers - with my wireless mic i can dance and sing at the same time, which is loads of fun - have been studying some contact improv dance which is a wonderful stream of input into music improv also - also have a technical question which i'm wondering if anyone can help me out with - i have a pretty simple setup, 2 synths and a mic going into a tiny rolls mixer going into a chaos box going into a edp looper, and that's that - what i would like to be able to do is have a "mic router" (does such a thing exist?) so that most of the time the mic will be going into the looper, but sometimes will be going direct into the amp so that the keys are being looped but the mic is not - any ideas would be appreciated, thanks in advance, steve sandberg [p.s. have an interesting concert coming up in brooklyn on march 11, live improvised looping to some great rather psychedelic videos - if interested, get info at grandspace.com cheers! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 14:52:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8645B3BF05; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:52:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00b401c64060$1d55d400$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> References: <00b401c64060$1d55d400$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <02EC9D94-0EC8-48CE-9188-610E304E3AD3@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Fun with Mobius! Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 15:51:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:52:02 +0000 (UTC) On 5 mar 2006, at 15.21, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I've been trying to set up a computer based looping setup for the > past month or so which will allow me to loop without thinking too > much about the hardware involved. Initially, I started on Ambiloop, > then SooperLooper for OSX (on my old trusty ibook, then using Linux > on an old PC laptop).... I was plagued with problems - mainly due > to my antiquated equipment, and lack of latency correction (very > noticable when overdubbing rhythmic passages) > > On Friday, I gave up and reverted back to using two echo pro's > after 'jack' kept crashing on the ibook, and the PC linux laptop > was just too slow to do anything with. > > For some reason, I decided to give Mobius another chance and > installed it on my desktop PC, and was blown away with how easy it > was to set up the latency correction and assign Midi commands from > the FCB1010! I was looping hands-free within about 5 minutes! > > The interface is simple and concise... and it worked flawlessly!!! > > Using my desktop PC for now means that I cannot take the rig out > for gigs, but if I sell my Echo Pro's and filter pro, then I might > have enough for a decent(ish) PC laptop.... :) > > Are there many loopers here that use Mobius as their main looping > system? One here!!! (anxiously raising hand..) If you wonder why I have almost stopped posting to this list, it's because of Mobius. I just feel like spamming when all I have to say is how great M it is ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 16:15:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25A263BEFC; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012a01c64070$12d372c0$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <410-220063052404820@earthlink.net> <00aa01c64053$ec19b9d0$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:15:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 490, in=230303, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <4tuvH.A.XNG.76wCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:15:56 +0000 (UTC) I love those cute little red boxes....I'm infatuated with red and have been since I was a kid. Red fire engines...red radio flyer wagon, red tricycle, red tennis shoes (2 years old)...I have a red Jeep Cherokee...a red Boss VF1, etc...who knows what's next on the list. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: "loopersdelight" Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 5:54 AM Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors > Not effect processors as such, but Nobels do a nice range of 1/4 space > expansion modules that can be interlinked to fill in a few holes in the > rack > http://www.nobels.com/en/index.htm > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 16:48:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F31323BEFE; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <440B1671.6080500@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 10:48:49 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fun with Mobius! References: <00b401c64060$1d55d400$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> In-Reply-To: <00b401c64060$1d55d400$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Count me in this group as well!! I'm running Mobius on an IBM Thinkpad T40, and it's working perfectly. The first implementation of pitch shifting is released in Mobius now, and it's very cool. My practice sessions are now aimed at narrowing down to a set of techniques that I like within Mobius. Having multiple EDP's (w/ pitch shifting!) is like a dream come true - but it presents it's own challenges in the realm of control. Doug Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I've been trying to set up a computer based looping setup for the past > month or so which will allow me to loop without thinking too much > about the hardware involved. Initially, I started on Ambiloop, then > SooperLooper for OSX (on my old trusty ibook, then using Linux on an > old PC laptop).... I was plagued with problems - mainly due to my > antiquated equipment, and lack of latency correction (very noticable > when overdubbing rhythmic passages) > > On Friday, I gave up and reverted back to using two echo pro's after > 'jack' kept crashing on the ibook, and the PC linux laptop was just > too slow to do anything with. > > For some reason, I decided to give Mobius another chance and installed > it on my desktop PC, and was blown away with how easy it was to set up > the latency correction and assign Midi commands from the FCB1010! I > was looping hands-free within about 5 minutes! > > The interface is simple and concise... and it worked flawlessly!!! > > Using my desktop PC for now means that I cannot take the rig out for > gigs, but if I sell my Echo Pro's and filter pro, then I might have > enough for a decent(ish) PC laptop.... :) > > Are there many loopers here that use Mobius as their main looping system? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 16:50:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA3DA3BF0C; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <29a.675778d.313c70e3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:50:43 EST Subject: Apparatii Gig Spam-San Antonio, Texas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1141577443" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:50:46 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1141577443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparatii is performing this Wenesday March the 8th at Thiry Auitorium located in Our Lady of the Lake University at 7:30pm. 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Apparatii is:
 
James Cobb- saxes, keyboards, laptop, effects and loops
 
John Cortez- keyboards, laptop, guitar and effects
 
Robert "Bobdog" Catlin- eight string bass, keyboards and effects
 
James H. Sidlo- baritone guitar, cell, effects and loops.
<= /HTML> -------------------------------1141577443-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 17:14:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BD293BF04; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JC2/fxtMF1T5BRhDLFoHZYsBPJVnio7CV+VasnYsj/j9D0ebOrtB3jqCWbvKVMv0sj3hNKdQKCYHJ4r67eq7RBv/o3UOzt2LpwQwM3Dm3aRg/mqaMbr+gh0nJIgnugYEWVtRsOPgkm5vkm4X8nKkGItUx5R/OLR6sjCO3ki+NrM= ; Message-ID: <20060305171357.91585.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:13:57 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00cf01c6400c$a94d52c0$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-667503205-1141578837=:86054" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:14:07 +0000 (UTC) --0-667503205-1141578837=:86054 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I am sure all loopers will like: Nils Petter Molvær (Norwegian trompter) Eivind Aarset (Norwegian guitarist/looper) Jon Hassell (Canadian trompeter) Rune F, Norway Kris Hartung skrev: I need to start using my Shoutcast bandwidth, so I thought I would stream my John Abercrombie CD collection all night. 16 CDs. Hopefully this will be a good taste for those who have never listened to him. Next is Terje Rypdal and John McLaughlin. http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") ************************************************* Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 --0-667503205-1141578837=:86054 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I am sure all loopers will like:
Nils Petter Molvær (Norwegian trompter)
Eivind Aarset (Norwegian guitarist/looper)
Jon Hassell (Canadian trompeter)
 
Rune F, Norway

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> skrev:
I need to start using my Shoutcast bandwidth, so I thought I would stream my
John Abercrombie CD collection all night. 16 CDs. Hopefully this will be a
good taste for those who have never listened to him. Next is Terje Rypdal
and John McLaughlin.

http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen")

*************************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603



--0-667503205-1141578837=:86054-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 17:14:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD8343BF0D; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:14:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=N2vyH6B+ZoI8s27ZtHYA2whLEV3wtiy2wAozqkQfv2FDw8KlvCp7C37Lu+/KvzKpwvxiSnUxGkQ+BVsmK5ZNlZXVTWVQb9IkJBqOHnbuIICwL7rJdEXFkUfyl9y/rDgtUZG9dco4f2MNGu+Z0d/KXiqY6jSB2trOvc8wwcSOEGA= ; Message-ID: <20060305171414.94266.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:14:14 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00cf01c6400c$a94d52c0$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1730810948-1141578854=:92565" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:14:15 +0000 (UTC) --0-1730810948-1141578854=:92565 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I am sure all loopers will like: Nils Petter Molvær (Norwegian trompter) Eivind Aarset (Norwegian guitarist/looper) Jon Hassell (Canadian trompeter) Rune F, Norway Kris Hartung skrev: I need to start using my Shoutcast bandwidth, so I thought I would stream my John Abercrombie CD collection all night. 16 CDs. Hopefully this will be a good taste for those who have never listened to him. Next is Terje Rypdal and John McLaughlin. http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") ************************************************* Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 --0-1730810948-1141578854=:92565 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I am sure all loopers will like:
Nils Petter Molvær (Norwegian trompter)
Eivind Aarset (Norwegian guitarist/looper)
Jon Hassell (Canadian trompeter)
 
Rune F, Norway

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> skrev:
I need to start using my Shoutcast bandwidth, so I thought I would stream my
John Abercrombie CD collection all night. 16 CDs. Hopefully this will be a
good taste for those who have never listened to him. Next is Terje Rypdal
and John McLaughlin.

http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen")

*************************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603



--0-1730810948-1141578854=:92565-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 17:29:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 716713BEF4; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jKbeNZX1bsXVF4aok3Wb9A+44yktMwncBmVD3cISw1Oza+AGt/QcqAaZQezQv7MtfQtHzfOoq7vcvbA6mIKcwJApsWptXSL1TFnfr3TEYxJDHw7w2Ip1rcaUnVmFqic5jBGAUCSkPpXA+w7g8vI15tyuGD/wpMCxIuzGVn21Xeo= ; Message-ID: <20060305172919.96438.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:29:19 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Fun with Mobius! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b401c64060$1d55d400$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-648376636-1141579759=:94453" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:29:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-648376636-1141579759=:94453 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Can you do all this with just the laptop and the FCB1010 ? Rune F, Norway Stuart Wyatt skrev: I've been trying to set up a computer based looping setup for the past month or so which will allow me to loop without thinking too much about the hardware involved. Initially, I started on Ambiloop, then SooperLooper for OSX (on my old trusty ibook, then using Linux on an old PC laptop).... I was plagued with problems - mainly due to my antiquated equipment, and lack of latency correction (very noticable when overdubbing rhythmic passages) On Friday, I gave up and reverted back to using two echo pro's after 'jack' kept crashing on the ibook, and the PC linux laptop was just too slow to do anything with. For some reason, I decided to give Mobius another chance and installed it on my desktop PC, and was blown away with how easy it was to set up the latency correction and assign Midi commands from the FCB1010! I was looping hands-free within about 5 minutes! The interface is simple and concise... and it worked flawlessly!!! Using my desktop PC for now means that I cannot take the rig out for gigs, but if I sell my Echo Pro's and filter pro, then I might have enough for a decent(ish) PC laptop.... :) Are there many loopers here that use Mobius as their main looping system? -- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com --0-648376636-1141579759=:94453 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Can you do all this with just the laptop and the FCB1010 ?
 
Rune F, Norway   

Stuart Wyatt <loopersdelight@swyatt.com> skrev:
I've been trying to set up a computer based looping setup for the past month
or so which will allow me to loop without thinking too much about the
hardware involved. Initially, I started on Ambiloop, then SooperLooper for
OSX (on my old trusty ibook, then using Linux on an old PC laptop).... I was
plagued with problems - mainly due to my antiquated equipment, and lack of
latency correction (very noticable when overdubbing rhythmic passages)

On Friday, I gave up and reverted back to using two echo pro's after 'jack'
kept crashing on the ibook, and the PC linux laptop was just too slow to do
anything with.

For some reason, I decided to give Mobius another chance and installed it on
my desktop PC, and was blown away with how easy it was to set up the latency
correction and assign Midi commands from the FCB1010! I was looping
hands-free within about 5 minutes!

The interface is simple and concise... and it worked flawlessly!!!

Using my desktop PC for now means that I cannot take the rig out for gigs,
but if I sell my Echo Pro's and filter pro, then I might have enough for a
decent(ish) PC laptop.... :)

Are there many loopers here that use Mobius as their main looping system?
--
Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com


--0-648376636-1141579759=:94453-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 17:32:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C93EE3BEFE; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <440B20A4.50301@biink.com> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:32:20 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now References: <20060305171357.91585.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060305171357.91585.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:32:11 +0000 (UTC) rune fagereng wrote: > > Jon Hassell (Canadian trompeter) I thought he's American and lives in LA. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 17:34:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBC0E3BF10; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:34:45 -0800 Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00aa01c64053$ec19b9d0$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> Message-Id: <5682D74A-AC6E-11DA-A208-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Wow, those look like pretty useful little modules! I have about 1/4 rack space left in my live bass rig, between my raven labs preamp, RNC and Radial DI, and one of the little 4 channel stereo mixers would absolutely solve a problem for me. The prices are pretty cool as well. Ant comments as to sound quality? Thanks for the link. On Sunday, March 5, 2006, at 04:54 AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Not effect processors as such, but Nobels do a nice range of 1/4 space > expansion modules that can be interlinked to fill in a few holes in > the rack > http://www.nobels.com/en/index.htm > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 17:37:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D24F63BF0C; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HJZej1cJBfuZ354iQYPG8/8qCLRnBq0R9Py7X8Kt1KEh0NzjSyLjas188a8+Cs6t08JMuQJITHEKlNtGnH3eRjnZ1Mtnrcgce52+1X454If2yk3T8K8U7cf2T1r+5Z6w4xnixGKAlekNdKeAHcxFayOCs+IcnO+E9sNL62JyFo0= ; Message-ID: <20060305173729.28868.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:37:29 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Fun with Mobius! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <440B1671.6080500@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-702229095-1141580249=:28560" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:37:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-702229095-1141580249=:28560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Please tell me; can you use the FCB1010 to remote both the labtop and the EDB at the same time ? Rune F, Norway Doug Cox skrev: Count me in this group as well!! I'm running Mobius on an IBM Thinkpad T40, and it's working perfectly. The first implementation of pitch shifting is released in Mobius now, and it's very cool. My practice sessions are now aimed at narrowing down to a set of techniques that I like within Mobius. Having multiple EDP's (w/ pitch shifting!) is like a dream come true - but it presents it's own challenges in the realm of control. Doug Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I've been trying to set up a computer based looping setup for the past > month or so which will allow me to loop without thinking too much > about the hardware involved. Initially, I started on Ambiloop, then > SooperLooper for OSX (on my old trusty ibook, then using Linux on an > old PC laptop).... I was plagued with problems - mainly due to my > antiquated equipment, and lack of latency correction (very noticable > when overdubbing rhythmic passages) > > On Friday, I gave up and reverted back to using two echo pro's after > 'jack' kept crashing on the ibook, and the PC linux laptop was just > too slow to do anything with. > > For some reason, I decided to give Mobius another chance and installed > it on my desktop PC, and was blown away with how easy it was to set up > the latency correction and assign Midi commands from the FCB1010! I > was looping hands-free within about 5 minutes! > > The interface is simple and concise... and it worked flawlessly!!! > > Using my desktop PC for now means that I cannot take the rig out for > gigs, but if I sell my Echo Pro's and filter pro, then I might have > enough for a decent(ish) PC laptop.... :) > > Are there many loopers here that use Mobius as their main looping system? --0-702229095-1141580249=:28560 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Please tell me; can you use the FCB1010 to remote both the labtop and the EDB at the same time  ?
 
Rune F, Norway     

Doug Cox <dougcox@pdq.net> skrev:
Count me in this group as well!!

I'm running Mobius on an IBM Thinkpad T40, and it's working perfectly.

The first implementation of pitch shifting is released in Mobius now,
and it's very cool. My practice sessions are now aimed at narrowing
down to a set of techniques that I like within Mobius. Having multiple
EDP's (w/ pitch shifting!) is like a dream come true - but it presents
it's own challenges in the realm of control.

Doug

Stuart Wyatt wrote:

> I've been trying to set up a computer based looping setup for the past
> month or so which will allow me to loop without thinking too much
> about the hardware involved. Initially, I started on Ambiloop, then
> SooperLooper for OSX (on my old trusty ibook, then using Linux on an
> old PC laptop).... I was plagued with problems - mainly due to my
> antiquated equipment, and lack of latency correction (very noticable
> when overdubbing rhythmic passages)
>
> On Friday, I gave up and reverted back to using two echo pro's after
> 'jack' kept crashing on the ibook, and the PC linux laptop was just
> too slow to do anything with.
>
> For some reason, I decided to give Mobius another chance and installed
> it on my desktop PC, and was blown away with how easy it was to set up
> the latency correction and assign Midi commands from the FCB1010! I
> was looping hands-free within about 5 minutes!
>
> The interface is simple and concise... and it worked flawlessly!!!
>
> Using my desktop PC for now means that I cannot take the rig out for
> gigs, but if I sell my Echo Pro's and filter pro, then I might have
> enough for a decent(ish) PC laptop.... :)
>
> Are there many loopers here that use Mobius as their main looping system?


--0-702229095-1141580249=:28560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 17:45:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E8FF3BF14; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <440B23C1.3010607@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:45:37 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Fun with Mobius! References: <20060305173729.28868.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060305173729.28868.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <13yL7C.A.qbC.-OyCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Sure you can. One way to do it would be to take a MIDI signal from the FCB into the EDP and then into whatever MIDI device you use to get MIDI into your laptop. I'm not doing this, though. I'm using solely Mobius as my looper right now. rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Please tell me; can you use the FCB1010 to remote both the labtop and > the EDB at the same time ? > > Rune F, Norway > > */Doug Cox /* skrev: > > Count me in this group as well!! > > I'm running Mobius on an IBM Thinkpad T40, and it's working perfectly. > > The first implementation of pitch shifting is released in Mobius now, > and it's very cool. My practice sessions are now aimed at narrowing > down to a set of techniques that I like within Mobius. Having > multiple > EDP's (w/ pitch shifting!) is like a dream come true - but it > presents > it's own challenges in the realm of control. > > Doug > > Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > > I've been trying to set up a computer based looping setup for > the past > > month or so which will allow me to loop without thinking too much > > about the hardware involved. Initially, I started on Ambiloop, then > > SooperLooper for OSX (on my old trusty ibook, then using Linux > on an > > old PC laptop).... I was plagued with problems - mainly due to my > > antiquated equipment, and lack of latency correction (very > noticable > > when overdubbing rhythmic passages) > > > > On Friday, I gave up and reverted back to using two echo pro's > after > > 'jack' kept crashing on the ibook, and the PC linux laptop was just > > too slow to do anything with. > > > > For some reason, I decided to give Mobius another chance and > installed > > it on my desktop PC, and was blown away with how easy it was to > set up > > the latency correction and assign Midi commands from the FCB1010! I > > was looping hands-free within about 5 minutes! > > > > The interface is simple and concise... and it worked flawlessly!!! > > > > Using my desktop PC for now means that I cannot take the rig out > for > > gigs, but if I sell my Echo Pro's and filter pro, then I might have > > enough for a decent(ish) PC laptop.... :) > > > > Are there many loopers here that use Mobius as their main > looping system? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 17:51:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 520D63BF10; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CACOyCkSHZyw Message-ID: <002d01c6407d$7b7babf0$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <5682D74A-AC6E-11DA-A208-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:51:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0609-3, 03/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:51:58 +0000 (UTC) I've only ever owned one module (currently for sale on ebay) - the MS-4 Midi switcher, but I do know of a guitarist who uses a couple of mini-mixers in his rig, and he swears by them... Not many people know about the Nobels boxes, which surprises me when you consider what you can do with them! -- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Trenkel" > Wow, those look like pretty useful little modules! I have about 1/4 rack > space left in my live bass rig, between my raven labs preamp, RNC and > Radial DI, and one of the little 4 channel stereo mixers would absolutely > solve a problem for me. The prices are pretty cool as well. Ant comments > as to sound quality? > > Thanks for the link. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 18:09:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C76A3BF05; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:09:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Vedr. Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: db@biink.com From: David Trenkel In-Reply-To: <440B20A4.50301@biink.com> Message-Id: <29365E0C-AC73-11DA-A208-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <8iF1V.A.WqD.UlyCEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:09:24 +0000 (UTC) On Sunday, March 5, 2006, at 09:32 AM, David Beardsley wrote: > rune fagereng wrote: > >> >> Jon Hassell (Canadian trompeter) > > I thought he's American and lives in LA. > > Allmusic guide shows him as being born in Memphis, TN, so he's as 'Merikin as baseball, hotdogs, Wal mart and global domination... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 18:17:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D2C63BF0D; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <440B2B37.2060408@biink.com> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 13:17:27 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now References: <29365E0C-AC73-11DA-A208-000A95A5D158@peak.org> In-Reply-To: <29365E0C-AC73-11DA-A208-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:17:18 +0000 (UTC) David Trenkel wrote: > On Sunday, March 5, 2006, at 09:32 AM, David Beardsley wrote: > >> rune fagereng wrote: >> >>> >>> Jon Hassell (Canadian trompeter) >> >> >> I thought he's American and lives in LA. >> >> > > Allmusic guide shows him as being born in Memphis, TN, so he's as > 'Merikin as baseball, hotdogs, Wal mart and global domination... > > At least he's not merkin. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 18:31:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 296BF3BEEC; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:31:10 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c64082$fa116d10$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <5682D74A-AC6E-11DA-A208-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZAexoe/ZvE3fpwTzSzko+COqpgkwAB4WBw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:31:16 +0000 (UTC) I remember trying a miniature mixer by Nobels (might be the same product line) and beding disappointed because of the horrible amount of noise. ("horrible amount" meaning much more than anything I own, and I own an unmodded Repeater). This was however some 10 to 15 years ago, so the products might have changed. > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: David Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org]=20 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. M=E4rz 2006 18:35 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Half Space Effect Processors >=20 > Wow, those look like pretty useful little modules! I have=20 > about 1/4 rack space left in my live bass rig, between my=20 > raven labs preamp, RNC and Radial DI, and one of the little 4=20 > channel stereo mixers would absolutely solve a problem for=20 > me. The prices are pretty cool as well.=20 > Ant comments as to sound quality? >=20 > Thanks for the link. > On Sunday, March 5, 2006, at 04:54 AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >=20 > > Not effect processors as such, but Nobels do a nice range=20 > of 1/4 space=20 > > expansion modules that can be interlinked to fill in a few holes in=20 > > the rack http://www.nobels.com/en/index.htm > > > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 20:05:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 630333BEF4; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 20:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <440B23C1.3010607@pdq.net> References: <20060305173729.28868.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <440B23C1.3010607@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5A01661C-EEDA-44A6-A4C1-6DE9154B2334@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Fun with Mobius! Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:05:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 20:05:45 +0000 (UTC) > rune fagereng wrote: > >> Hi ! >> Please tell me; can you use the FCB1010 to remote both the labtop >> and the EDB at the same time ? On 5 mar 2006, at 18.45, Doug Cox wrote: > Sure you can. One way to do it would be to take a MIDI signal from > the FCB into the EDP and then into whatever MIDI device you use to > get MIDI into your laptop. > > I'm not doing this, though. I'm using solely Mobius as my looper > right now. I'm kind of doing that, Rune. From my FCB1010 I bring the MIDI cable into the laptop and then I have set Mobius to "External EDP Control". This means all MIDI sent into Mobius is mirrored to the output. I don't usually use my EDP with Mobius but always my TC FireworX (pre amp multi fx device). This way I can address both Mobius and the FireworX from my FCB1010 and the FireworX also gets MIDI clock sync from Mobius (the same way I guess you would set it up with an EDP in pair with Mobius). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 21:46:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 496503BEE8; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2a3.6974ce9.313cb627@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:46:15 EST Subject: Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2a3.6974ce9.313cb627_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:46:22 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2a3.6974ce9.313cb627_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: > Next is Terje Rypdal > and John McLaughlin. > please keep us updated kris.....thnaks www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_2a3.6974ce9.313cb627_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes:


Next is Terje Rypdal<= BR> and John McLaughlin.


please keep us updated kris.....thnaks



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 --part1_2a3.6974ce9.313cb627_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 22:14:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F08753BEE8; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DxjgLP+saZdU6kih1Xpddja2hQzsMysnZM94T4332AEWdXsx3R3gap9dN7tLIAOXzsWrdDZRXRDtV+cBAYWhGEudyBTbeFTnlWzZbWeXAsBepLnv4X8AniC97YxWEx+btm86oQGaVHgUaoiFPUTETvX1igj3gki2TnQvEbdcAyg= ; Message-ID: <20060305221428.27255.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 23:14:28 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2a3.6974ce9.313cb627@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-197428156-1141596868=:26427" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:14:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-197428156-1141596868=:26427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Whats streaming ? RF Nemoguitt@aol.com skrev: In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: Next is Terje Rypdal and John McLaughlin. please keep us updated kris.....thnaks www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --0-197428156-1141596868=:26427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Whats streaming ?
 
RF

Nemoguitt@aol.com skrev:

In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes:


Next is Terje Rypdal
and John McLaughlin.


please keep us updated kris.....thnaks



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11

 --0-197428156-1141596868=:26427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 22:15:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50DBA3BEFC; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 22:15:33 +0000 Message-Id: <030520062215.11178.440B63050002B38600002BAA22007503300196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11178_1141596933_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:15:35 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11178_1141596933_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Per my wife- a merkin is a small wig designed to cover missing pubic hair, in days of yore as it were. bryan helm --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11178_1141596933_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Per my wife- a merkin is a small wig designed to cover missing pubic hair, in days of yore as it were.
 
                                         bryan helm



--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11178_1141596933_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 5 22:37:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 578883BEFC; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c640a5$6a92e0b0$01fea8c0@telepath> From: "alltel" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:37:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C6407B.817A2A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:37:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C6407B.817A2A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C6407B.817A2A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C6407B.817A2A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 01:21:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D38863BEF0; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 01:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <029101c640bc$3dfcba00$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060305221428.27255.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:21:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_028E_01C64081.90972060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 155, in=96996, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 01:21:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_028E_01C64081.90972060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In this case, it's where you connect to a server like Shoutcast, and it = plays MP3s from your hard drive through the server, so that multiple = people can connect to the server address and listen to the same music. = So rather than downloading the MP3s, which is asynchronous, everyone = tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the server. Think of it like an = internet radio station. I can also stream live sound, anything that I = feed to the line in of my laptop, which is how I stream my live looping = performances. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rune fagereng=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Whats streaming ?=20 RF Nemoguitt@aol.com skrev: In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: Next is Terje Rypdal and John McLaughlin. please keep us updated kris.....thnaks www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_028E_01C64081.90972060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In this case, it's where you connect to = a server=20 like Shoutcast, and it plays MP3s from your hard drive through the = server, so=20 that multiple people can connect to the server address and listen = to the=20 same music. So rather than downloading the MP3s, which is asynchronous, = everyone=20 tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the server. Think of it like an = internet=20 radio station. I can also stream live sound, anything that I feed to the = line in=20 of my laptop, which is how I stream my live looping = performances.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rune=20 fagereng
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 = 3:14=20 PM
Subject: Vedr. Re: Streaming My = John=20 Abercrombie Collection Now

Whats streaming ?
 
RF

Nemoguitt@aol.com = skrev:

In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net=20 writes:


Next is Terje Rypdal
and John=20 McLaughlin.


please keep us updated = kris.....thnaks



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vz= epmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuc= har11

<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_028E_01C64081.90972060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 01:48:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7C283BEF4; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 01:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dePPJpLuVzkOnqkIpVt9+4fZM903Tch0JLRFb0EjyK1LlMfjNPiJ76OF0Rnmu3jczPSL7McYukYQUTERA2c1bvh9gvk1uQfZxmWqgMmLUBnIWp5/Dua/7XPlFDnQv6zVX3imudJWQCVqp0hW2l8ZcWvejpcn+GNfJhAmGH8Xdsk= ; Message-ID: <20060306014850.45345.qmail@web31814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:48:50 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c640a5$6a92e0b0$01fea8c0@telepath> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-281586254-1141609730=:44800" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 01:48:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-281586254-1141609730=:44800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yes thank you from email streams but I will regularly check in and plan to contribute as soon as possible I am a performing artist and studio musician. I own and use a boomerang and love it!!!! Would like to learn more about looping possibilities inherent. Peace :o) alltel wrote: unsubscribe --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-281586254-1141609730=:44800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yes thank you from email streams but I will regularly check in and plan to contribute as soon as possible I am a performing artist and studio musician.  I own and use a boomerang and love it!!!!  Would like to learn more about looping possibilities inherent.  Peace :o)

alltel <veerybird@alltel.net> wrote:
unsubscribe

Brings words and photos together (easily) with
PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-281586254-1141609730=:44800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 02:37:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6631F3BEF0; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 02:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02ea01c640c6$e9c39890$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <2a3.6974ce9.313cb627@aol.com> Subject: Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:37:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 155, in=97034, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 02:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Now streaming Terje Rypdal: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") Kris ----- Original Message ----- In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: Next is Terje Rypdal and John McLaughlin. please keep us updated kris.....thnaks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 03:00:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65DE43BEEC; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 03:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015401c640ca$270a8490$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060305221428.27255.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <029101c640bc$3dfcba00$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:00:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0151_01C640A0.3E027010" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 03:00:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0151_01C640A0.3E027010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did you stream Abercrombie's 'M' album? Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now In this case, it's where you connect to a server like Shoutcast, and = it plays MP3s from your hard drive through the server, so that multiple = people can connect to the server address and listen to the same music. = So rather than downloading the MP3s, which is asynchronous, everyone = tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the server. Think of it like an = internet radio station. I can also stream live sound, anything that I = feed to the line in of my laptop, which is how I stream my live looping = performances. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rune fagereng=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Whats streaming ?=20 RF Nemoguitt@aol.com skrev: In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net = writes: Next is Terje Rypdal and John McLaughlin. please keep us updated kris.....thnaks www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_0151_01C640A0.3E027010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Did you stream Abercrombie's 'M'=20 album?
 
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 = 8:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: = Streaming My John=20 Abercrombie Collection Now

In this case, it's where you connect = to a server=20 like Shoutcast, and it plays MP3s from your hard drive through the = server, so=20 that multiple people can connect to the server address and listen = to the=20 same music. So rather than downloading the MP3s, which is = asynchronous,=20 everyone tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the server. Think of it = like an=20 internet radio station. I can also stream live sound, anything that I = feed to=20 the line in of my laptop, which is how I stream my live looping=20 performances.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rune=20 fagereng
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 = 3:14=20 PM
Subject: Vedr. Re: Streaming = My John=20 Abercrombie Collection Now

Whats streaming ?
 
RF

Nemoguitt@aol.com = skrev:

In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net=20 writes:


Next is Terje Rypdal
and John=20 McLaughlin.


please keep us updated=20 kris.....thnaks



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vz= epmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuc= har11

------=_NextPart_000_0151_01C640A0.3E027010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 03:41:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5AA13BEF4; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 03:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02f701c640cf$d8bed1f0$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060305221428.27255.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <029101c640bc$3dfcba00$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <015401c640ca$270a8490$68a6eb44@BlackDell> Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 20:41:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02F2_01C64095.2B63E6B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 155, in=97061, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 03:41:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F2_01C64095.2B63E6B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't think so...it's called "M"? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Did you stream Abercrombie's 'M' album? Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now In this case, it's where you connect to a server like Shoutcast, and = it plays MP3s from your hard drive through the server, so that multiple = people can connect to the server address and listen to the same music. = So rather than downloading the MP3s, which is asynchronous, everyone = tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the server. Think of it like an = internet radio station. I can also stream live sound, anything that I = feed to the line in of my laptop, which is how I stream my live looping = performances. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rune fagereng=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Whats streaming ?=20 RF Nemoguitt@aol.com skrev: In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net = writes: Next is Terje Rypdal and John McLaughlin. please keep us updated kris.....thnaks www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_02F2_01C64095.2B63E6B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't think so...it's called = "M"?
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paul
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 = 8:00=20 PM
Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: = Streaming My John=20 Abercrombie Collection Now

Did you stream Abercrombie's 'M'=20 album?
 
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 = 8:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: = Streaming My=20 John Abercrombie Collection Now

In this case, it's where you = connect to a=20 server like Shoutcast, and it plays MP3s from your hard drive = through the=20 server, so that multiple people can connect to the server = address and=20 listen to the same music. So rather than downloading the MP3s, which = is=20 asynchronous, everyone tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the = server. Think=20 of it like an internet radio station. I can also stream live sound, = anything=20 that I feed to the line in of my laptop, which is how I stream my = live=20 looping performances.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 rune=20 fagereng
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 05, = 2006 3:14=20 PM
Subject: Vedr. Re: = Streaming My John=20 Abercrombie Collection Now

Whats streaming ?
 
RF

Nemoguitt@aol.com = skrev:

In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, = khartung@cableone.net=20 writes:


Next is Terje Rypdal
and John=20 McLaughlin.


please keep us updated=20 kris.....thnaks



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vz= epmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuc= har11

------=_NextPart_000_02F2_01C64095.2B63E6B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 03:42:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2193C3BF06; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 03:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:42:23 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT: Sunao Inami Europe tour 2006 March Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4ToKFC.A.YhC.i-6CEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 03:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, I have some gigs schedules in Europe in this month. if I meet LD subscribers at there,it would be great.. =========================== [ 11th Sat Mar '06 ] Luzern,Switzerland at JAZZKANTINE " JOYFUL NOISE 18" Sunao Inami , Kobe (Laptop, Electronics) http://www.cavestudio.com/ Marie-Cecile Reber, Luzern (Sampler, Electronics) Alfred Zimmerlin, Zurich (Cello) Fredy Studer, Luzern (Drums, Percussion) http://www.fredystuder.ch/ Moderation: Sam Pirelli start 20:30 contacts: JAZZKANTINE http://www.jsl.ch/kantine.htm MUSIKHOCHSCHULE LUZERN, ABTEILUNG JAZZ MARIAHILFGASSE 2A, CH-6004 LUZERN, SWITZERLAND Phone: ++41-41-412 20 56 / Fax: ++41-41-412 20 57 e-mail jazz@mhs.fhz.ch =========================== [ 13th Mon Mar '06 ] Biel,Switzerland at Restaurant St. Gervais Sunao Inami (Reaktor5,Live4) http://www.cavestudio.com/ Dorothea Schurch (Voice) Alfred Zimmerlin (Cello) Martin Schuetz (Cello,Electronics) http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ Hans Koch (Sax, Electronics) http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ start 19:00 contacts: Restaurant St. Gervais Untergasse 21 CH-2502 Biel http://www.stgervais.ch T +41 (0)32 322 48 22 info@stgervais.ch =========================== [ 14th Tue Mar '06 ] Bern,Switzerland at Hoersaal Sunao Inami (Reaktor5,Live4) http://www.cavestudio.com/ Werner Hasler (Trumpet, Electronics) http://www.wernerhasler.com/ Gilbert Paeffgen (Drums,Percussion) http://www.gilbertpaeffgen.com/ Shortmovie ink'n Go and dias by Filip Haag http://www.filiphaag.ch/ start 20:00 contacts: Hoersaal Schlachthofareal Stauffacherstrasse 80 3014 Bern Phone ++41 31 331 60 37 / Fax ++41 31 331 60 37 e-mail: info@manufactur.ch =========================== [ 15th Wed Mar '06 ] Frankfurt,Germany at Tanzhaus West Sunao Inami (Reaktor5,Live4) http://www.cavestudio.com/ start 21:00 / 5 Euro contacts: tanzhaus west Gutleutstrasse 294, 60327 Frankfurt am Main http://www.tanzhaus-west.de/ Telefax: 069 / 95 90 80 96 eMail: info@tanzhaus-west.de =========================== [17th Fri Mar '06 ] (same day, 2 gigs) Brussels,Belgium at RIC'S ART BOAT Eight Frozen Modules LIVE (Orthlorng Musork, Planet-Mu, Plateaux Resistance - USA) http://www.eight-frozen-modules.com/ Sunao Inami LIVE (Electr-ohm, Sub Rosa - JP) http://www.cavestudio.com/ Basic LIVE (humanworkshop - NL) Pavell Nikof LIVE (f.a.s.t. - BE) Radical Edward vs Solariumface (kf system - FR) (meakusma, f.a.s.t. - BE) Bobe van Jezu vs Larsoul (f.a.s.t. - BE) start 21:00 / 6 Euro contacts: RIC'S ART BOAT Quai des Peniches /Akenkaai 44 1000 Brussels http://users.skynet.be/rics-art-boat/ tel$B%O(B: 0476/24.09.86 eMail: ricsartboat@skynet.be =========================== [ 17th Fri Mar '06 ] (same day, 2 gigs) Gent,Belgium at Frontline (Steegske) "BUG KLINIK SOUND" Live acts by 8 FROZEN MODULES (Planet-Mu, Peace-off, Tigerbeat6, Zod, USA) http://www.eight-frozen-modules.com/ SUNAO INAMI (Electr-Ohm, Sub Rosa, Japan) http://www.cavestudio.com/ THE OUTLAW ENSEMBLE (Bug Klinik, X&trick vs Deacoy) http://www.bugklinik.com/ SGT SONAR (Bug Klinik) http://www.bugklinik.com/ Cloud9 vs A Boywithatoy Dj's CONTINIUM (Bug Klinik) http://www.bugklinik.com/ DIATHRODA (Toyfabric) BUG KLINIK SOUND start 22:00 contacts: The Frontline Overpoortstraat 37 B-9000 Gent http://www.thefrontline.be/ tel: + 32(0)498158668 fax: + 32(0)92535974 eMail: info@thefrontline.be =========================== [ 22nd Wed Mar '06 ] London,U.K. at Red Rose Club Sunao Inami (Computer from Japan) http://www.cavestudio.com/ Emily Hay (flute, voice fromLos Angeles) http://www.emilyhay.com/ Chao-Ming Tung (guzheng from Taiwan - Cologne) http://www.chaomingtung.com/ John Butcher (saxes) http://www.johnbutcher.org.uk/ John Edwards (bass) start 8:00PM contacts: Red Rose Club 129 Seven Sisters Road (nearest underground Finsbury Park),London Tel. 020 7281 3584 eMail: gerard.tierney@gmail.com =========================== [ 23rd Thu Mar '06 ] Geneva, Switzerland at I'Usine AUDIO TRAUMA (f) avec FYD +CHRYSALIDE et ACRYLIK special-guest: SUNAO INAMI (jp) http://www.cavestudio.com/ start 8:00PM contacts: Le Kab de I'Usine http://www.lekab.ch/ 4,Place Des Yolontaires 1204 Geneva,Switzerland tel +41(0) 22 781 40 57 info@lekab.ch =========================== [ 24th Fri Mar '06 ] Zurich, Switzerland at Kunstraum Walcheturm Sunao Inami (Reaktor5,Live4) http://www.cavestudio.com/ Bernhard Wagner (Guitar,live looping) http://nosuch.biz start 9:00PM contacts: Kunstraum Walcheturm http://www.walcheturm.ch Kanonengasse 20 CH-8004 Zurich, Switzerland Tel 0041-43-3220813 Fax 043-3220815 info@walcheturm.ch _____________________ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com http://www.electr-ohm.com http://www.myspace.com/sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 04:31:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 042013BF04; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 04:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NRDKX3LfnC7ciQfV9oSRUiRU0irkC/IA7vMKi6bkhdKT8IaonHdOEIPbOng7CJI42pz4CexCdD9cp1G1YS0nAQLzz6JJOypjnW3wu/EPZZr4V75GSsAljDwGIN0ytnp7Qrf9ZWTPapLMDLHdrvYHZqzZ/wyHmVz7UWwdSGAIFxg= ; Message-ID: <20060306043104.86132.qmail@web50009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 20:31:04 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Maravel Subject: New Loopers Website To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060305174535.41C513BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2wr3e.A.EGE.Js7CEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 04:31:05 +0000 (UTC) This group has been a wealth of info for me. It's helped me pick out my gear and a web hosting service so I thought I'd push the envelope a bit further. I've just uploaded my version of a "site under construction" page with one of my loops playing over a flash intro that I built with Anim-fx, Flash 8 + Dreamweaver 8. It's worked out pretty well except that the entire page is one big hyperlink that takes you to the Anim-fx website! Can anyone point me in the right direction to defuse it, so to speak? The address is: leemaravel.com and the loop reminds me of my Reich/Glass days. Check it out if you like (but don't click anywhere!) Thanks, Lee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 05:15:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1F853BEEC; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 05:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016301c640dd$0f5b9c90$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060305221428.27255.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <029101c640bc$3dfcba00$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <015401c640ca$270a8490$68a6eb44@BlackDell> <02f701c640cf$d8bed1f0$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 00:16:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0160_01C640B3.26511710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <3tzBHC.A.QtF.PW8CEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 05:15:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0160_01C640B3.26511710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah. It's one of the 2 or 3 (that I'm aware of) that aren't available = on CD. I have it on vinyl. I'll chek out more details if you're = interested. Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Don't think so...it's called "M"? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Did you stream Abercrombie's 'M' album? Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection = Now In this case, it's where you connect to a server like Shoutcast, = and it plays MP3s from your hard drive through the server, so that = multiple people can connect to the server address and listen to the same = music. So rather than downloading the MP3s, which is asynchronous, = everyone tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the server. Think of it = like an internet radio station. I can also stream live sound, anything = that I feed to the line in of my laptop, which is how I stream my live = looping performances. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rune fagereng=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Whats streaming ?=20 RF Nemoguitt@aol.com skrev: In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net = writes: Next is Terje Rypdal and John McLaughlin. please keep us updated kris.....thnaks www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_0160_01C640B3.26511710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah. It's one of the 2 or 3 (that I'm = aware of)=20 that aren't available on CD. I have it on vinyl. I'll chek out more = details if=20 you're interested.
 
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 = 10:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: = Streaming My John=20 Abercrombie Collection Now

Don't think so...it's called = "M"?
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paul
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 = 8:00=20 PM
Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: = Streaming My=20 John Abercrombie Collection Now

Did you stream Abercrombie's 'M'=20 album?
 
Paul
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 05, = 2006 8:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: = Streaming My=20 John Abercrombie Collection Now

In this case, it's where you = connect to a=20 server like Shoutcast, and it plays MP3s from your hard drive = through the=20 server, so that multiple people can connect to the server = address and=20 listen to the same music. So rather than downloading the MP3s, = which is=20 asynchronous, everyone tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the = server.=20 Think of it like an internet radio station. I can also stream live = sound,=20 anything that I feed to the line in of my laptop, which is how I = stream my=20 live looping performances.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 rune fagereng
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 05, = 2006 3:14=20 PM
Subject: Vedr. Re: = Streaming My=20 John Abercrombie Collection Now

Whats streaming ?
 
RF

Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 skrev:

In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 = PM, khartung@cableone.net=20 writes:


Next is Terje Rypdal
and John=20 McLaughlin.


please keep us = updated=20 kris.....thnaks



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vz= epmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuc= har11

------=_NextPart_000_0160_01C640B3.26511710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 05:21:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B3DD3BECC; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 05:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , , "The Ambient Way" Subject: the PiNG presents Aidan Baker (solo) and ARC Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 00:24:32 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000001c640de$3fc1ca20$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: <6Oy9nC.A.z7F.gb8CEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 05:21:36 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto=20 (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station)=20 Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THiS Tuesday March 7th . Aidan Baker (solo) and ARC In keeping with our mini arc (sorry, couldn't resist) of acts who=20 premiered and had their first ever performance on the PiNG stage,=20 we welcome back ARC for an evening of infectious improvisation.=20 Way, way, way back on October 12th 1999, at the ninth=20 AMBiENT PiNG TUESDAY, ARC (Aidan Baker, Rich Baker=20 and Chris Kukiel) first came together to perform. Their upcoming=20 show will make it an even dozen ARC performances @ the PiNG. http://fade.to/arc Opening the evening will be a solo set of sonic explorations=20 by Aidan Baker. http://www.aidanbaker.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Before Sets CD . Chance Encounters in the Garden of Lights=20 by Bill Nelson=20 We're gonna have some fun this week and spin both CDs=20 at the same time of this classic 2 CD set from 1987 of=20 sonic explorations by Bill Nelson. These CDs stand on their=20 own, but when played in unison, they take on a new life which=20 seems almost intended as they morph into one another. Do this=20 at home kids, experiment and play with your media, don't leave=20 it to the professionals. http://www.billnelson.com Between Sets CD . 12 Reductions (2005) by salvagesound Fresh from the factory, this week we feature the new release=20 by Matthew Poulakakis' salvagesound project. Sculptured=20 sonics which echo and reverberate as found sound is=20 repurposed and salvaged into uniquely beautiful atmospheres.=20 Read more about it here in rik's *ping things* CD=20 review below and hear it Tuesday @ the PiNG.=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 COMiNG March 14th . Michael Keith and Friends CD Release . "the story of karl" by michaeL "The story of Karl" is the new cd by guitarist/improviser=20 Michael Keith. Michael is a highly visible member of Toronto's=20 rapidly growing experimental and improvised music scene. This=20 CD (originally a 3 cd box, but now back to 1 !!) release event=20 will feature music from and inspired by the cd and it's=20 concept which is mostly improvised.=20 The evening will unfold much like the cd with solo, duo and trio=20 performances. Joining Michael will be experimental guzheng=20 player David Sait(MCF), drummer Joel Allen, as well as=20 guitarist/saxophonist Colin Fisher(I have eaten the city) on=20 electric bass.=20 The sounds on the new disc are all over the map. From power=20 trio metal to soft, slow solo guitar ambience. Fans of noisy=20 weird ass shit will enjoy it. Cd's will be available as well as=20 small packages of ketchup. http://geocities.com/alexiteric . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews salvagesound . "12 Reductions (2005)" There's a pervading darkness to salvagesound's release=20 "12 Reductions (2005)", a feeling of something haunted and=20 mysterious, enigmas and riddles and secrets all wrapped up=20 around each other in a knot that can't be undone without=20 losing yourself in it's intricacies. Using processed field recordings and found sounds, Matthew=20 Poulakakis of salvagesound has created a wonderful collection=20 of tracks that sets fire to the imagination. "corq" opens the disc with a series of scraping and abstract=20 sounds suggesting percussive elements, but too random and alien to be heard as drums. It's a suspenseful piece, a very dramatic=20 work that creeps along slowly but effectively towards it's resolution.=20 "tuebe" follows, a track that brings to mind the sound of the void as=20 portrayed by a drifting drone. It's nice work, quite engaging in it's=20 minimalism as form and shape become apparent throughout. Track=20 three, "alvalva", continues along similar lines, building on a theme=20 and then diverging into new territory. Irregular chirps give this=20 track an organic sense, a feeling of life caught in the middle=20 of an industrial wasteland.=20 "terranoid" introduces metallic ringing to the mix, playing randomly=20 over top an oscillating drone. A small melody can be heard just on=20 the edge of the track, something to anchor the listener's senses but=20 too faint to identify beyond it's presence. "ixuni" comes in at track=20 number five, an oscillating drone rising and falling over top a pulsing=20 tone reminiscent of an engine. There's a feeling of movement here,=20 a really nice use of oblique motion that suggests travel and=20 distance crossed. A very effective track. Track six, "squeue", adds more melodic elements to the mix, a=20 processed piano playing mournful melodies alongside the sounds=20 of metal bowing. It's a subtle shift in the tone of the disc, but a=20 significant one in terms of the way that the listener hears the=20 remaining tracks. "elloidal" follows, a dark and bleak aural landscape=20 to be sure but one filled with a tragic beauty and mournfulness that=20 strikes a chord inside. Tones rise and fall through the mix, the sound=20 of water and waves providing a backdrop over which everything=20 plays. Very powerful.=20 "hovertour" incorporates a repeated phrase over top a fragmented=20 sample, daring the listener to identify with the sounds played just=20 below the surface. "opheliate" continues the water imagery=20 established in earlier tracks and expands upon it with the feeling=20 of tides and drift. It's a vivid imagery, a very clear feeling of the=20 sea that both inspires and frightens. Very impressive.=20 Track nine, "decrestlers", utilizes a deep wind tunnel drone to great=20 effect, suggesting a dark and ominous environment where nothing=20 grows, nothing lives, yet still possessed of a certain haunted beauty.=20 "bosphosphorus" comes next, ominous metallic scraping and faint=20 phrases raising the hair on the back of your neck. "feleket" closes=20 the disc, a steady moan and drone piece occasionally interspersed=20 with other sounds. "12 Reductions (2005)" is stunning work, all of the tracks creating=20 an environment and pace unique to themselves. Definitely one=20 of the best examples of sonic architecture that I've heard=20 in a long time. "12 Reductions (2005)" by Salvagesound=20 is available now at ping things! http://www.pingthings.com/SALVAGESOUND.htm rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: =20 * Wednesday, March 8th . CONTACT contemporary music presents=20 GIRLFRIEND With special guest Lori Freedman=20 A collaboration with The Music Gallery Celebrating International=20 Women's Day In association with Amnesty International and the=20 Association of Canadian Women Composers . Featuring the=20 music of Eve Beglarian, Lori Freedman, Monique Jean,=20 Deirdre Piper, Marci Rabe, Linda Catlin Smith and Ann Southam=20 Featuring guest artist Lori Freedman with the CONTACT=20 contemporary music ensemble: Sarah Fraser Raff, violin;=20 Michael Gfroerer, piano; Alex Grant, cello; Akiyo Hattori, clarinet;=20 Christine Mourre, flute; Jerry Pergolesi, percussion 8:00 PM . The Music Gallery 197 John Street $15 Adults $10 Seniors/Students * Thursday March 9th . Improvisors' Pool The improvisors' pool is a weekly gathering for musicians who=20 practice collective free improvisation. It welcomes players of=20 all levels and backgrounds. 7:00-9:00 . Ralph Thornton Centre 765 Queen Street East East of Broadview and west of De Grassi =20 =20 * Thursday March 9th . Gravitas DVD release show=20 visuals by John Dubinski, music by John Kameel Farah (piano,=20 pipe organ, harpsichord, computer, synth, electronics) 7:30pm Farah performs remix interpretation of Kepler's=20 Music of the Spheres 8:00pm Dubinski to give an introduction and explanation of=20 the visuals and the project 8:15pm live performance of Gravitas with visual projections 197 John St. @ Stephanie (1 block N of MuchMusic) $15 regular/$12 member + senior/$10 student (at concert DVDs will be available for $15 with your ticket,=20 but $20 to purchase through the website) =20 * Thursday, March 9th . Coexistence Series #5 A monthly series of duet collaborations; this month featuring: =20 Alice Norton bass, Grahame Beakhust tuba, Dwight=20 Chalmers trumpet, Jeff Luciani drums, Colin Anthony piano 8:00pm . Tranzac Club =20 * Friday March 10th . The Ryan Driver Quartet Ryan Driver: piano/vocal, Martin Arnold: vox invader (guitar) Rob Clutton: bass, Jake Oelrichs: drums 10:00 pm . Graffiti's (Baldwin at Kensington) . PWYC * Friday March 10th . Live in Concert: CCMC and=20 MAZINANI/VORVIS CCMC (Paul Dutton - oralizations; John Oswald - alto sax;=20 Michael Snow - piano, synthesizer)=20 MAZINANI/VORVIS (Mani Mazinani - piano;=20 Jack Vorvis - drums) 8 PM . Music Room, Hart House, 7 Hart House Circle, U of T FREE admission, all are welcome. * Friday March 10th . I/O MEDIA =20 8:30 PM . InterAccess, 9 Ossington Ave. . no cover . all ages =20 * Friday March 10th . Spike Fridays presents SCHEMA FACTOR with MADAME HAIR and DJ OSAZE =20 Neutral, 349A College St. . no cover . 19+ * Friday, March 10th . AIMT presents=20 An INTERFACE SERIES with Lori Freedman in association with Arraymusic and the NOW Lounge=20 I- Lori Freedman w/ lori freedman- clarinets =20 II- Clark / Dajczer / Fedrigo w/ dave clark- drums, brigitte dajczer- violin, monica fedrigo- cello = =20 III- Anothony / Freedman / Newman w/ colin anothony- piano, lori freedman- clarinets,=20 paul newman- tenor saxophone 9pm . ARRAYMUSIC Studio 60 Atlantic Ave., Ste 218 pwyc suggested donation- $15 =20 * Saturday, March 11th . AIMT presents=20 An INTERFACE SERIES with Lori Freedman in association with Arraymusic and the NOW Lounge=20 I- Attariwala / Fisher / Freedman / Lewis w/ parmela attariwala- violin, colin fisher- tenor saxophone,=20 lori freedman- clarinets, tilman lewis- cello II- Feuermusik w/ jeremy strachan- reeds, gus weinkauf- buckets =20 III- Freedman / Haynes / Sorbara / Waterman=20 w/ lori freedman- clarinets, justin haynes- guitar,=20 joe sorbara- drums, ellen waterman- flute 9pm . Now Lounge, 189 Church St. . $15 =20 * Saturday, March 11th . One: Castlemusic (Jennifer Castle) plays=20 songs with electric guitar and voice while mother drift (Aim=E9e=20 Dawn Robinson) dances. Two: The Thorpe (Colin Clark,=20 Aim=E9e Dawn Robinson, and Josh Thorpe) plays double-mutations=20 of Prince, Bjork, Robert Wyatt, and others, using tape, guitars,=20 Casio, synth, voice, bells, banjos and so on. 9.30 pm . Arraymusic Studio, 60 Atlantic, Ste. 218, side door . 5$ =20 * Sunday, March 12th . AIMT presents=20 An INTERFACE SERIES with Lori Freedman in association with Arraymusic and the NOW Lounge=20 Free WORKSHOP- Lori Freedman =20 2pm . NOW Lounge, 189 Church St. * Sunday, March 12th . AIMT presents=20 An INTERFACE SERIES with Lori Freedman in association with Arraymusic and the NOW Lounge I- Freedman / Piilonen / Thomson / Valdivia=20 w/ lori freedman- clarinets, rob piilonen- flute,=20 scott thomson- trombone, brandon valdivia- drums =20 II- Freedman / Perera / Shaw w/ lori freedman- clarinets,=20 nilan perera- guitar, evan shaw- alto sax =20 III- Duncan / Freedman / Haley / Martin w/ christine duncan- voice, lori freedman- clarinets,=20 geordie haley- guitar, jean martin- drums 4pm . NOW Lounge, 189 Church St. . $15 =20 * Sunday March 12th . Creative Improvisation Workshops Four 3-hour sessions, starting Sunday March 5th, running each Sunday in March, from Noon to 3p.m. Recital April 2nd, 1pm. =20 The focus of the workshop is to encourage musicians to=20 experience the combination of latitude and discipline that=20 distinguishes free improvisation, and to provide them with=20 information about the resources available to them as=20 improvisors. Emphasis is placed on the development of=20 listening skills through playing and the material covered=20 considers music in a comprehensive manner. Open to=20 musicians of all levels and backgrounds, the workshop=20 gives a clearer understanding of the process and a greater=20 appreciation of the art of improvisation. =20 The workshop is organized into 4 3-hour sessions, which=20 culminate in a hour-long recital. The recital is professionally=20 recorded, and copies made available to participants. =20 Participation is open to musicians at all levels. You should=20 plan on attending all four sessions and playing the recital.=20 Cost is $100 per person.=20 All sessions to be held at Studio 4, 60 Atlantic Ave. (southeast of King and Dufferin) Toronto. =20 To register, or for more information, Contact: Victor Bateman- tel: 416-534-7918 email- v.bateman@sympatico.ca =20 Presented in affiliation with the Association of Improvising Musicians, Toronto. =20 =20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live=20 performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and=20 experimental music artists plus performers from around the world,=20 every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor.=20 http://www.theambientping.com=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in=20 live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to=20 any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 05:40:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 599953BEEC; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 05:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013d01c640e0$8c1f6ec0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Need help finding a jazz recording Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:40:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 05:40:57 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking for a Joe Farrel Quartet album on CTI jazz from the early 70's I think it's just called the Joe Farrel Quartet and it features John McLaughlin on guitar with a beautiful haunting version of his tune, "Follow Your Heart". It appears never to have made it to CD and I have hunted and hunted for for it in used jazz sections. If anyone has this recording or knows where to find it, would you please contact me offlist? I would love to get a high quality digital recording of the track (in either .aiff or .wav file if possible). thanks a lot. yours, Rick Walker rickwalker(at)looppool(dot)info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 05:48:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43C793BF02; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 05:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015501c640e1$927072a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Need help finding a jazz recording Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:48:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <2nrFCD.A.22G.g08CEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 05:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Oooops, mispelling. The self titled Joe FarreLL Quartet record on CTI records came out in 1970. It bosted this rather stellar musical cast: Chick Corea, John McLaughlin, Dave Holland and Jack DeJohnette (and yes, that does make it a quintet not a quartet). If you don't know Farrell's work (he died too young in 1986) take a listen to Chick Coreas' first two Return to Forever recordings for ECM records. This band was amazing and represented Corea's work before he started the rather cheesy (in my estimation) later electric incarnations of that band. Some amazing trapset drumming by Airto Moreira and, of course, the incomparable Brazilian vocalist, Flora Purim on those first RTF records. So, I'm looking for the JOE FARRELL QUARTET album on CTI records. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 06:53:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B7293BEDA; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:53:52 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Need help finding a jazz recording Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <015501c640e1$927072a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rick, I have a copy of that record and it is indeed fabulous and very hard to find. Technically it is still a quartet record because McLaughlin and Corea don't appear on the same tracks. That version of "Follow Your Heart" is pretty special, one of the loosest and grooviest 11/8's ever, we used to cover it in the band. I can burn you a copy and send it to you. The only catch is that I'm leaving to go on tour Tuesday morning, and have about 2.5 million things to do between now and then. If it's urgent, let me know and I'll definitely make time to do it. On Sunday, March 5, 2006, at 09:48 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Oooops, mispelling. > > The self titled Joe FarreLL Quartet record on CTI records came out in > 1970. > It bosted this rather stellar musical cast: > > Chick Corea, John McLaughlin, Dave Holland and Jack DeJohnette (and > yes, that does make it a quintet > not a quartet). > > If you don't know Farrell's work (he died too young in 1986) take a > listen > to Chick Coreas' first two Return to Forever recordings for ECM > records. > > This band was amazing and represented Corea's work before he started > the > rather cheesy (in my estimation) later electric incarnations of that > band. > > Some amazing trapset drumming by Airto Moreira and, of course, the > incomparable > Brazilian vocalist, Flora Purim on those first RTF records. > > So, I'm looking for the JOE FARRELL QUARTET album on CTI records. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 07:00:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 640C13BED0; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1ZxqD3y92FoHfWxoj6UlIiqMoLCAhahboEziOOOOi20PWI+I5zcA6QfN6bcbSCUw+2vSLNdri3nPF69uzKka/x+oRTdUdgwCpXCA/WE1kQUtazCTl+AFihj6ewWJq2JrZ0di+irjdafo4/wwHHmvxvPSB4rFYbJJcbP2xQHDUGk= ; Message-ID: <20060306070044.22304.qmail@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:00:44 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <029101c640bc$3dfcba00$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-712744582-1141628444=:18904" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:00:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-712744582-1141628444=:18904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is this material also possible to download/copy ? Rune f Kris Hartung skrev: In this case, it's where you connect to a server like Shoutcast, and it plays MP3s from your hard drive through the server, so that multiple people can connect to the server address and listen to the same music. So rather than downloading the MP3s, which is asynchronous, everyone tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the server. Think of it like an internet radio station. I can also stream live sound, anything that I feed to the line in of my laptop, which is how I stream my live looping performances. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: rune fagereng To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Whats streaming ? RF Nemoguitt@aol.com skrev: In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: Next is Terje Rypdal and John McLaughlin. please keep us updated kris.....thnaks www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --0-712744582-1141628444=:18904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
Is this material also possible to download/copy ?
 
Rune f 

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> skrev:
In this case, it's where you connect to a server like Shoutcast, and it plays MP3s from your hard drive through the server, so that multiple people can connect to the server address and listen to the same music. So rather than downloading the MP3s, which is asynchronous, everyone tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the server. Think of it like an internet radio station. I can also stream live sound, anything that I feed to the line in of my laptop, which is how I stream my live looping performances.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now

Whats streaming ?
 

In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes:


Next is Terje Rypdal
and John McLaughlin.


please keep us updated kris.....thnaks



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11


--0-712744582-1141628444=:18904-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 08:55:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C9E03BEDA; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=5a5CHtV03ZNDZ1LV/TOwDL9o8oLarFRmkaHrIX4HXHR1hPzlU203T4A9AwEmukxGEalSyMgndYzYD7Q4aHMyM3fthAmVncEWUomSq+h7ltLYqZVeNftjq3iQQXPsfCq3GYXritXDJUeK/X22328eVrXCt3G9nHCQGYr1Bh4QEww= ; Message-ID: <007d01c640fb$c30e96c0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <00b401c64060$1d55d400$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> <440B1671.6080500@pdq.net> Subject: Re: Fun with Mobius! Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:55:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Count me in too ;-) This SW has changed my vision of music, I left the band I was in and now try to work on a solo project. Mobius is so much fun. I just bought a Jamman so I don't have to boot the PC for a 5' jam but it's not 10% of the fun I have with Mobius. Cool support from Jeff, too. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Fun with Mobius! > Count me in this group as well!! > > I'm running Mobius on an IBM Thinkpad T40, and it's working perfectly. > > The first implementation of pitch shifting is released in Mobius now, and > it's very cool. My practice sessions are now aimed at narrowing down to a > set of techniques that I like within Mobius. Having multiple EDP's (w/ > pitch shifting!) is like a dream come true - but it presents it's own > challenges in the realm of control. > > Doug > > Stuart Wyatt wrote: > >> I've been trying to set up a computer based looping setup for the past >> month or so which will allow me to loop without thinking too much about >> the hardware involved. Initially, I started on Ambiloop, then >> SooperLooper for OSX (on my old trusty ibook, then using Linux on an old >> PC laptop).... I was plagued with problems - mainly due to my antiquated >> equipment, and lack of latency correction (very noticable when >> overdubbing rhythmic passages) >> >> On Friday, I gave up and reverted back to using two echo pro's after >> 'jack' kept crashing on the ibook, and the PC linux laptop was just too >> slow to do anything with. >> >> For some reason, I decided to give Mobius another chance and installed it >> on my desktop PC, and was blown away with how easy it was to set up the >> latency correction and assign Midi commands from the FCB1010! I was >> looping hands-free within about 5 minutes! >> >> The interface is simple and concise... and it worked flawlessly!!! >> >> Using my desktop PC for now means that I cannot take the rig out for >> gigs, but if I sell my Echo Pro's and filter pro, then I might have >> enough for a decent(ish) PC laptop.... :) >> >> Are there many loopers here that use Mobius as their main looping system? > ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 11:16:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 683163BEDA; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01de01c6410f$5c4ec9a0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: Subject: Re: Sunao Inami Europe tour 2006 March Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:16:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-2022-jp"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2006 11:15:32.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[487DB2B0:01C6410F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Nice set-up groups, Sunao. I also would like playing with celloists and percussionist. Do you know "Avalon Sutra" by Harold Budd ? Unfortunately, no dates in Italy It will be next time, I hope... fabio http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunao Inami" To: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:42 AM Subject: OT: Sunao Inami Europe tour 2006 March > Hi LD, > > I have some gigs schedules in Europe in this month. > if I meet LD subscribers at there,it would be great.. > > > =========================== > > [ 11th Sat Mar '06 ] > > Luzern,Switzerland > > at JAZZKANTINE > > " JOYFUL NOISE 18" > Sunao Inami , Kobe (Laptop, Electronics) http://www.cavestudio.com/ > Marie-Cecile Reber, Luzern (Sampler, Electronics) > Alfred Zimmerlin, Zurich (Cello) > Fredy Studer, Luzern (Drums, Percussion) http://www.fredystuder.ch/ > > Moderation: Sam Pirelli > > start 20:30 > > contacts: > JAZZKANTINE > http://www.jsl.ch/kantine.htm > MUSIKHOCHSCHULE LUZERN, ABTEILUNG JAZZ > MARIAHILFGASSE 2A, CH-6004 LUZERN, SWITZERLAND > Phone: ++41-41-412 20 56 / Fax: ++41-41-412 20 57 > e-mail jazz@mhs.fhz.ch > > =========================== > > [ 13th Mon Mar '06 ] > > Biel,Switzerland > > at Restaurant St. Gervais > > Sunao Inami (Reaktor5,Live4) http://www.cavestudio.com/ > Dorothea Schurch (Voice) > Alfred Zimmerlin (Cello) > Martin Schuetz (Cello,Electronics) http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ > Hans Koch (Sax, Electronics) http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ > > start 19:00 > > contacts: > Restaurant St. Gervais > Untergasse 21 CH-2502 Biel > http://www.stgervais.ch > T +41 (0)32 322 48 22 > info@stgervais.ch > > =========================== > > [ 14th Tue Mar '06 ] > > Bern,Switzerland > > at Hoersaal > > Sunao Inami (Reaktor5,Live4) http://www.cavestudio.com/ > Werner Hasler (Trumpet, Electronics) http://www.wernerhasler.com/ > Gilbert Paeffgen (Drums,Percussion) http://www.gilbertpaeffgen.com/ > > Shortmovie ink'n Go and dias by > Filip Haag http://www.filiphaag.ch/ > > start 20:00 > > contacts: > Hoersaal > Schlachthofareal > Stauffacherstrasse 80 > 3014 Bern > Phone ++41 31 331 60 37 / Fax ++41 31 331 60 37 > e-mail: info@manufactur.ch > > =========================== > > [ 15th Wed Mar '06 ] > Frankfurt,Germany > > at Tanzhaus West > > Sunao Inami (Reaktor5,Live4) http://www.cavestudio.com/ > > start 21:00 / 5 Euro > > contacts: > tanzhaus west > Gutleutstrasse 294, 60327 Frankfurt am Main > http://www.tanzhaus-west.de/ > Telefax: 069 / 95 90 80 96 > eMail: info@tanzhaus-west.de > > =========================== > > [17th Fri Mar '06 ] (same day, 2 gigs) > > Brussels,Belgium > > at RIC'S ART BOAT > > Eight Frozen Modules LIVE (Orthlorng Musork, Planet-Mu, Plateaux > Resistance - USA) http://www.eight-frozen-modules.com/ > Sunao Inami LIVE (Electr-ohm, Sub Rosa - JP) http://www.cavestudio.com/ > Basic LIVE (humanworkshop - NL) > Pavell Nikof LIVE (f.a.s.t. - BE) > Radical Edward vs Solariumface (kf system - FR) (meakusma, f.a.s.t. - BE) > Bobe van Jezu vs Larsoul (f.a.s.t. - BE) > > start 21:00 / 6 Euro > > contacts: > RIC'S ART BOAT > Quai des Peniches /Akenkaai 44 1000 Brussels > http://users.skynet.be/rics-art-boat/ > tel$B%O(B: 0476/24.09.86 > eMail: ricsartboat@skynet.be > > =========================== > > [ 17th Fri Mar '06 ] (same day, 2 gigs) > > Gent,Belgium > > at Frontline (Steegske) > > "BUG KLINIK SOUND" > > Live acts by > 8 FROZEN MODULES (Planet-Mu, Peace-off, Tigerbeat6, Zod, USA) > http://www.eight-frozen-modules.com/ > SUNAO INAMI (Electr-Ohm, Sub Rosa, Japan) http://www.cavestudio.com/ > THE OUTLAW ENSEMBLE (Bug Klinik, X&trick vs Deacoy) > http://www.bugklinik.com/ > SGT SONAR (Bug Klinik) http://www.bugklinik.com/ > Cloud9 vs A Boywithatoy > > Dj's > CONTINIUM (Bug Klinik) http://www.bugklinik.com/ > DIATHRODA (Toyfabric) > BUG KLINIK SOUND > > start 22:00 > > contacts: > The Frontline > Overpoortstraat 37 B-9000 Gent > http://www.thefrontline.be/ > tel: + 32(0)498158668 fax: + 32(0)92535974 > eMail: info@thefrontline.be > > > =========================== > > [ 22nd Wed Mar '06 ] > > London,U.K. > > at Red Rose Club > > Sunao Inami (Computer from Japan) http://www.cavestudio.com/ > Emily Hay (flute, voice fromLos Angeles) http://www.emilyhay.com/ > Chao-Ming Tung (guzheng from Taiwan - Cologne) > http://www.chaomingtung.com/ > John Butcher (saxes) http://www.johnbutcher.org.uk/ > John Edwards (bass) > > start 8:00PM > > contacts: > Red Rose Club > 129 Seven Sisters Road (nearest underground Finsbury Park),London > Tel. 020 7281 3584 > eMail: gerard.tierney@gmail.com > > =========================== > > [ 23rd Thu Mar '06 ] > > Geneva, Switzerland > > at I'Usine > > AUDIO TRAUMA (f) > avec FYD +CHRYSALIDE et ACRYLIK > special-guest: > SUNAO INAMI (jp) http://www.cavestudio.com/ > > start 8:00PM > > contacts: > Le Kab de I'Usine > http://www.lekab.ch/ > 4,Place Des Yolontaires > 1204 Geneva,Switzerland > tel +41(0) 22 781 40 57 > info@lekab.ch > > =========================== > > [ 24th Fri Mar '06 ] > > Zurich, Switzerland > > at Kunstraum Walcheturm > > Sunao Inami (Reaktor5,Live4) http://www.cavestudio.com/ > Bernhard Wagner (Guitar,live looping) http://nosuch.biz > > start 9:00PM > > contacts: > Kunstraum Walcheturm > http://www.walcheturm.ch > Kanonengasse 20 > CH-8004 Zurich, Switzerland > Tel 0041-43-3220813 Fax 043-3220815 > info@walcheturm.ch > > > _____________________ > > > Regards > > Sunao Inami > http://www.cavestudio.com > http://www.electr-ohm.com > http://www.myspace.com/sunao > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 12:16:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75BB63BEF4; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <032501c64117$d8116630$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20060306070044.22304.qmail@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:16:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0322_01C64120.39742630" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2006 12:16:16.0688 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4B4E300:01C64117] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:16:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0322_01C64120.39742630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Kris, I'm enjoin' it, now fabio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rune fagereng=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection = Now Is this material also possible to download/copy ? Rune f=20 Kris Hartung skrev: In this case, it's where you connect to a server like Shoutcast, and = it plays MP3s from your hard drive through the server, so that multiple = people can connect to the server address and listen to the same music. = So rather than downloading the MP3s, which is asynchronous, everyone = tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the server. Think of it like an = internet radio station. I can also stream live sound, anything that I = feed to the line in of my laptop, which is how I stream my live looping = performances. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rune fagereng=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Whats streaming ?=20 RF Nemoguitt@aol.com skrev: In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net = writes: Next is Terje Rypdal and John McLaughlin. please keep us updated kris.....thnaks www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_0322_01C64120.39742630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Kris, = I'm enjoin' it, now
fabio
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rune=20 fagereng
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 = 8:00=20 AM
Subject: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: = Streaming My=20 John Abercrombie Collection Now

 
Is this material also possible to download/copy ?
 
Rune f 

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 skrev:
In this case, it's where you = connect to a=20 server like Shoutcast, and it plays MP3s from your hard drive = through the=20 server, so that multiple people can connect to the server = address and=20 listen to the same music. So rather than downloading the MP3s, which = is=20 asynchronous, everyone tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the = server. Think=20 of it like an internet radio station. I can also stream live sound, = anything=20 that I feed to the line in of my laptop, which is how I stream my = live=20 looping performances.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 rune=20 fagereng
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 05, = 2006 3:14=20 PM
Subject: Vedr. Re: = Streaming My John=20 Abercrombie Collection Now

Whats streaming ?
 
RF

Nemoguitt@aol.com = skrev:

In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, = khartung@cableone.net=20 writes:


Next is Terje Rypdal
and John=20 McLaughlin.


please keep us updated=20 kris.....thnaks



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vz= epmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuc= har11


------=_NextPart_000_0322_01C64120.39742630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 14:09:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F4F13BEDA; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=acnZzGpynVXVL+HPVc6h7C+2BCluNm3tYNQzeEZR15YPd85JyyR/BLxCiITaSVc2KrJJq7AxZqRKIW5mGJmxMN3Ct4FC97ETnyToAKDw02Fyt4eN8WrBNIRntCgZyxgvGqeyocDw75MSwGD4+apMQwLw5oFl9qNh/PC2XeC7w3k= ; Message-ID: <20060306140933.3132.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:09:33 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: streaming ! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2025264585-1141654173=:98694" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:09:36 +0000 (UTC) --0-2025264585-1141654173=:98694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! All of this is new to me, both the looping-gear, loopers delight and the loop- oriented music. And I have to say, I`m starting to enjoy music again ! I didn`t understand how to take part in the "streaming". Please tell me: where to find this, and how to listen ? Will I be able to download this music ? Mr. boysen, you answered me earlier, but the mail has disappeared! Rune F --0-2025264585-1141654173=:98694 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
All of this is new to me, both the looping-gear, loopers delight and the loop- oriented music. And I have to say, I`m starting to enjoy music again !
 
I didn`t understand how to take part in the "streaming". Please tell me: where to find this, and how to listen ? Will I be able to download this music ?
 
Mr. boysen, you answered me earlier, but the mail has disappeared!
 
Rune F
 
--0-2025264585-1141654173=:98694-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 14:29:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3399C3BEF0; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:28:49 +0100 From: Matthias L X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <304563988.20060306152849@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looper for singer In-Reply-To: <007d01c640fb$c30e96c0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <00b401c64060$1d55d400$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> <440B1671.6080500@pdq.net> <007d01c640fb$c30e96c0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <53BzFC.A.cFB.0cEDEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Maybe someone can help me? I am looking for a looper for a friend of mine, who is a singer. She wants to stand and face the audience so she doesn't necessarily want to look at a floorpedal and since she has her hands free I'm looking for something she could hold in her hands or mount at the mic-stand. She would need: mono or stereo record, overdub start, stop, retrigger two or more tracks, ability to mute/unmute each track independently good sound quality is there another looper apart from the repeater that could do this? I am not very familiar with samplers, is there a small (on the fly) sampler with similar possibilities, since she could retrigger samples continuously to get a loop playing? thank you, Matthias (L) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 14:29:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 512B13BF07; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:29:08 +0100 From: Matthias L X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1167940493.20060306152908@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re[2]: Fun with Mobius! In-Reply-To: <007d01c640fb$c30e96c0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <00b401c64060$1d55d400$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> <440B1671.6080500@pdq.net> <007d01c640fb$c30e96c0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:29:09 +0000 (UTC) >>> Are there many loopers here that use Mobius as their main looping system? there is one more. hurdy-gurdy/laptop/RME/bidule/möbius Matthias (L) http://matthias.loibner.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 14:42:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6F963BF06; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <038001c6412c$22415030$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060306070044.22304.qmail@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:42:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_037D_01C640F1.74EC3150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 156, in=97185, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:42:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_037D_01C640F1.74EC3150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unfortunately not. I would have to upload all of the songs to my server = and stream them from there, which would take up a lot of my server = bandwidth. That's the nice thing about streaming to Shoutcast....you = just stream to the public from your own hard drive. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rune fagereng=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection = Now Is this material also possible to download/copy ? Rune f=20 Kris Hartung skrev: In this case, it's where you connect to a server like Shoutcast, and = it plays MP3s from your hard drive through the server, so that multiple = people can connect to the server address and listen to the same music. = So rather than downloading the MP3s, which is asynchronous, everyone = tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the server. Think of it like an = internet radio station. I can also stream live sound, anything that I = feed to the line in of my laptop, which is how I stream my live looping = performances. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rune fagereng=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Vedr. Re: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Whats streaming ?=20 RF Nemoguitt@aol.com skrev: In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, khartung@cableone.net = writes: Next is Terje Rypdal and John McLaughlin. please keep us updated kris.....thnaks www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_037D_01C640F1.74EC3150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Unfortunately not. I would have to = upload all of=20 the songs to my server and stream them from there, which would take up a = lot of=20 my server bandwidth. That's the nice thing about streaming to = Shoutcast....you=20 just stream to the public from your own hard drive.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rune=20 fagereng
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 = 12:00=20 AM
Subject: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: = Streaming My=20 John Abercrombie Collection Now

 
Is this material also possible to download/copy ?
 
Rune f 

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 skrev:
In this case, it's where you = connect to a=20 server like Shoutcast, and it plays MP3s from your hard drive = through the=20 server, so that multiple people can connect to the server = address and=20 listen to the same music. So rather than downloading the MP3s, which = is=20 asynchronous, everyone tunes into the same MP3 plaing from the = server. Think=20 of it like an internet radio station. I can also stream live sound, = anything=20 that I feed to the line in of my laptop, which is how I stream my = live=20 looping performances.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 rune=20 fagereng
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 05, = 2006 3:14=20 PM
Subject: Vedr. Re: = Streaming My John=20 Abercrombie Collection Now

Whats streaming ?
 
RF

Nemoguitt@aol.com = skrev:

In a message dated 3/4/06 11:24:21 PM, = khartung@cableone.net=20 writes:


Next is Terje Rypdal
and John=20 McLaughlin.


please keep us updated=20 kris.....thnaks



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vz= epmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuc= har11


------=_NextPart_000_037D_01C640F1.74EC3150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 15:09:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E00B3BEFC; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060306140933.3132.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060306140933.3132.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8E0717AF-3CB4-41ED-8B8F-5F7768D642D2@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: streaming ! Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:08:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6blLgD.A.i_C.OCFDEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:09:03 +0000 (UTC) On 6 mar 2006, at 15.09, rune fagereng wrote: > I didn`t understand how to take part in the "streaming". Please > tell me: where to find this, and how to listen ? Will I be able to > download this music ? > > Mr. boysen, you answered me earlier, but the mail has disappeared! Did I answer queries from you on the subject "streaming"? I'm afraid I don't remember the what I answered - can you post the question a second time? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 6 16:14:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E7073BEF0; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Half Space Effect Processors Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:14:06 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C024327@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Half Space Effect Processors thread-index: AcY+/lrkAZ5cuAm/TJ2+OFcpGtK1KQCOPwQA From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:14:22 +0000 (UTC) > From: johnsrude@peak.org [mailto:johnsrude@peak.org]=20 > For empty rack spaces I think you should be thinking about=20 > products from: > http://www.funklogic.com There are also some great links on this site, be sure to check out: http://www.sonicfinger.com/ The Virtual Studio Visitor looks cool, but sadly it looks like it only runs on Mac and it's priced up in the ProTools range. But I did take the plunge and get an Algorhythmic Prosecutor and Digilog Dynamicator from Sweetwater. I think these will be just what I was looking for to sweeten up my mixes. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 00:12:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F3DA3BEF3; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 00:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ixRg5VACDPK3uuRJhdHbAkejvcGwJ5BVtFOAEADj8XXqtCKGaJIfFmCosIcdycJ3oLDMB9bMByo4VAnghV/+0WfRLt13TUbBhGDN6fuiQ5zXRD74AekHWU0eiOebbYwrfwpQP+zDbugGfsnDPYeV5RTii2fN6ji7eBIQEXGAZzg= ; Message-ID: <20060307001240.43457.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:12:40 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <012a01c64070$12d372c0$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 00:12:42 +0000 (UTC) have u got a red tie yet? ive got one u can have;-) --- Kris Hartung wrote: > I love those cute little red boxes....I'm infatuated > with red and have been > since I was a kid. Red fire engines...red radio > flyer wagon, red tricycle, > red tennis shoes (2 years old)...I have a red Jeep > Cherokee...a red Boss > VF1, etc...who knows what's next on the list. :) > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart Wyatt" > To: "loopersdelight" > > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 5:54 AM > Subject: Re: Half Space Effect Processors > > > > Not effect processors as such, but Nobels do a > nice range of 1/4 space > > expansion modules that can be interlinked to fill > in a few holes in the > > rack > > http://www.nobels.com/en/index.htm > > > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 07:41:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8FF13BF02; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 07:41:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <29365E0C-AC73-11DA-A208-000A95A5D158@peak.org> References: <29365E0C-AC73-11DA-A208-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Vedr. Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 01:41:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 07:41:33 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 5, 2006, at 12:09 PM, David Trenkel wrote: > he's as 'Merikin as (...) global domination... oh wow. that's totally sweet. knee jerk preschool political observations equating Jon Hassel to "global domination" on an internet list. you are awesome dude. you should be on Crossfire next week. i'm going to go polish my jackboots ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 07:59:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8E0E3BEFE; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 07:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 23:59:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Vedr. Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5496EB82-ADB0-11DA-BF17-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 07:59:47 +0000 (UTC) On Monday, March 6, 2006, at 11:41 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Mar 5, 2006, at 12:09 PM, David Trenkel wrote: >> he's as 'Merikin as (...) global domination... > > oh wow. that's totally sweet. > > knee jerk preschool political observations equating Jon Hassel to > "global domination" on an internet list. It wouldn't necessarily be so bad a thing were Jon Hasell to rule the world :-). Though I imagine the mandatory harmonizers might chafe a bit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 08:25:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A37B3BF11; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Tdu2wGFWCccgG1H9JP1cPu5BV1NC6884xJQc4ccY1dvGwfC61ZxspPsMGl9Ug8kqtZ/2hDSqvtg0cJ4DQm2VpYkzBtwPjs7gycH0J4BAeXWJgZERLfm9KRI3KfRckpkRu1I7gh0UzgR/k/yC5lr1vA1Z9F2nkr9t/8OpMYUjEOY= ; Message-ID: <20060307082457.37957.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:24:57 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Jon Hassells music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-639056110-1141719897=:37530" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:25:00 +0000 (UTC) --0-639056110-1141719897=:37530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I just have come across Jon Hassells music and I love it. Since he`s so inspiring to me, I wanted to share this with you music-lovers. In doing this I came to say that Hassell was a Canadian trompeter. Guys that new better replayed, and said his from L.A. I notice some harsh mails regarding USAs politics because of my mistake. I hope I`ve not started some hostile thing, all I wanted to say is that I love Jon Hassells music ! Take care ! Rune F, Norway --0-639056110-1141719897=:37530 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I just have come across Jon Hassells music and I love it. Since he`s so inspiring to me, I wanted to share this with you music-lovers.
 
In doing this I came to say that Hassell was a Canadian trompeter. Guys that new better replayed, and said his from L.A.
 
I notice some harsh mails regarding USAs politics because of my mistake. 
 
I hope I`ve not started some hostile thing, all I wanted to say is that I love Jon Hassells music !
 
Take care !
 
Rune F, Norway    
--0-639056110-1141719897=:37530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 08:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D0B43BF13; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <038001c6412c$22415030$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060306070044.22304.qmail@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <038001c6412c$22415030$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Inexpensive digital music TIP (was: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:30:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-uLaw.A.SkE.CTUDEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:30:58 +0000 (UTC) On 6 mar 2006, at 15.42, Kris Hartung wrote: > Unfortunately not. I would have to upload all of the songs to my > server and stream them from there, which would take up a lot of my > server bandwidth. That's the nice thing about streaming to > Shoutcast....you just stream to the public from your own hard drive. Aha, now I understand why the listening link doesn't work: you have to keep your Bois computer switched on and online. Stupid me thought the files were uploaded to Shoutcast because that's what I had to do when I put on two internet radio channels at Live365.com, and as I recall they were using the shoutcast protocol. Anyway (look out - here comes a great tip...), besides searching iTMS podcasts, I just found a Russian site to buy music digitally for around USD 1.49 an album! That price is for files encoded at 192 kbps and if you go for 320 kbps ("CD fidelity") it's a little more expensive, but still cheap. For many years I have been wanting to digitize my old vinyl records but now I just bought many of them as 320 kbps AAC files instead, saving the cost for the ripping, digitizing and encoding time as well as the cost for buying an analog turntable. Found no Abercrombie though, Kris ;-) but lots of Garbarek and Laswell stuff. I wonder how those ruskies can get away with selling music that inexpensive? MP3.com once got sued for a similar activity (digitally duplicating CD's they had bought, forgetting about the fact that buying a CD only gives you license for personal use of copy of the particular audio recording) and lost the case, so it can't be legal according to American law. But I guess Russia is not yet part of the US... ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 08:42:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F8443BF1C; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060307082457.37957.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060307082457.37957.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Jon Hassells music Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:42:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9Rl_uB.A.M6E.5dUDEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:42:33 +0000 (UTC) On 7 mar 2006, at 09.24, rune fagereng wrote: > t I love Jon Hassells music ! YES! Finally a thread worth reading ;-) I too love Hassels stuff. Bumped into his music back in -79 and it completely blew my mind. A friend said he was "using synthethizers" but I didn't believe so. It took years to dig out the fact that he actually was playing a trumpet into a harmonizer, using musical phrasing he had learned from studying for an indian singer. In the early eighties he was touring to a Swedish city and I managed to go there over the day/night to watch the concert. That was the first time I came to hear the use of "Freeze Reverb", a wonderful effect that now comes bundled with Ableton Live right into your laptop - if you want. That concert was also the first time I found out that the UDU was the instrument that created another sound I had fallen in love with from only hearing it on recordings. Today I jam with udu players and it's a rather common instrument around here. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 08:45:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 737583BF21; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060306070044.22304.qmail@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <038001c6412c$22415030$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A1DB5E3-AEFC-41C6-87C0-079088340135@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Inexpensive digital music TIP (was: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:45:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:45:11 +0000 (UTC) On 7 mar 2006, at 09.30, Per Boysen wrote: > I just found a Russian site to buy music digitally for around USD > 1.49 an album! Oops, forgot the link: http://music.allofmp3.com Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 09:04:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 883793BF18; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HCNU+hldGNKQQkW93WN/adL3D//JBD7g25UyNZ2MwW3zLSNgJusElEUpXiuhsFTnWoeyDWyTF5rOwAW6QLn1CiSreI5JJ9VMRhr0i1UlAC+CNztRWvhTjetYeQG3GzR0H8FPXNC11mP19GyLga/xk18O3hyDHSMUOQKycexHRmM= ; Message-ID: <20060307090412.99032.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:04:10 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Jon Hassells music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1304677557-1141722250=:98750" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:04:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-1304677557-1141722250=:98750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Have you ever tried making this sound on the guitar ? With use of harmonizer and the "freeze reverb" ? Do you use ableton for liveplaying ? Rune f Per Boysen skrev: On 7 mar 2006, at 09.24, rune fagereng wrote: > t I love Jon Hassells music ! YES! Finally a thread worth reading ;-) I too love Hassels stuff. Bumped into his music back in -79 and it completely blew my mind. A friend said he was "using synthethizers" but I didn't believe so. It took years to dig out the fact that he actually was playing a trumpet into a harmonizer, using musical phrasing he had learned from studying for an indian singer. In the early eighties he was touring to a Swedish city and I managed to go there over the day/night to watch the concert. That was the first time I came to hear the use of "Freeze Reverb", a wonderful effect that now comes bundled with Ableton Live right into your laptop - if you want. That concert was also the first time I found out that the UDU was the instrument that created another sound I had fallen in love with from only hearing it on recordings. Today I jam with udu players and it's a rather common instrument around here. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 --0-1304677557-1141722250=:98750 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Have you ever tried making this sound on the guitar ?
With use of harmonizer and the "freeze reverb" ?
 
Do you use ableton for liveplaying ?
 
Rune f 

Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> skrev:
On 7 mar 2006, at 09.24, rune fagereng wrote:

> t I love Jon Hassells music !


YES! Finally a thread worth reading ;-) I too love Hassels stuff.
Bumped into his music back in -79 and it completely blew my mind. A
friend said he was "using synthethizers" but I didn't believe so. It
took years to dig out the fact that he actually was playing a trumpet
into a harmonizer, using musical phrasing he had learned from
studying for an indian singer. In the early eighties he was touring
to a Swedish city and I managed to go there over the day/night to
watch the concert. That was the first time I came to hear the use of
"Freeze Reverb", a wonderful effect that now comes bundled with
Ableton Live right into your laptop - if you want. That concert was
also the first time I found out that the UDU was the instrument that
created another sound I had fallen in love with from only hearing it
on recordings. Today I jam with udu players and it's a rather common
instrument around here.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?
id=128679560&s=143456




--0-1304677557-1141722250=:98750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 09:46:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 681933BF0E; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060307090412.99032.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060307090412.99032.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5E19CE13-2DA8-45ED-A916-D887ACAD98FE@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Jon Hassells music Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:46:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:46:59 +0000 (UTC) On 7 mar 2006, at 10.04, rune fagereng wrote: > Have you ever tried making this sound on the guitar ? Yes, but I gave up after two minutes, realizing that a guitar is a guitar, a trumpet is a trumpet, Jon is Jon and I had yet to find out who the hell I am before making any significant noise with whatever instrument ;-) With a guitar there are lots of other cool sounds available. But I think Norwegian guitarist Eivind Aarset plays guitar quite close to Hassels tone, although Eivind has his own identity and unique expression (fretless guitar played with ebow through Electro Harmonix Micro Synth and compressor - and a BIG EAR for micro-tonality). > With use of harmonizer and the "freeze reverb" ? Yes. But instead of harmonizer, these days I prefer to layer loops while instantly transposing pitch in my looping devices. And I tend to prefer monophonic instruments for looping, leaving out the guitar to play more flute and sax. IMHO it's more fun to make up chords that way compared to playing chords on a guitar ;-) And The Fun is why I make music in the first place. > Do you use ableton for liveplaying ? Yes, sometimes. I use Live as a mixer and to get at the built-in Freeze Verb and and some Pluggo effects. In the past I was using Live also for hosting MIDI sequences that I like to trigger to dynamically change parameters in my loopers but since I started using mainly Mobius for looping I tend to use scripts in Mobius for that. At the moment I'm using Mobius as a standalone application but as soon as Mobius will support two parallel MIDI clock outputs (one addressing Live and the other addressing my external pre amp/effect processor) I will be able to use Mobius again as VST plug-in with Live (I miss that lovely FreezeVerb and my Pluggo effects). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 09:59:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D21B3BF16; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <440D5999.8000801@biink.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 04:59:54 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Jon Hassells music References: <20060307090412.99032.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5E19CE13-2DA8-45ED-A916-D887ACAD98FE@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <5E19CE13-2DA8-45ED-A916-D887ACAD98FE@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 7 mar 2006, at 10.04, rune fagereng wrote: > >> Have you ever tried making this sound on the guitar ? > > > Yes, but I gave up after two minutes, realizing that a guitar is a > guitar, a trumpet is a trumpet, Jon is Jon and I had yet to find out > who the hell I am before making any significant noise with whatever > instrument ;-) With a guitar there are lots of other cool sounds > available. But I think Norwegian guitarist Eivind Aarset plays guitar > quite close to Hassels tone, although Eivind has his own identity and > unique expression (fretless guitar played with ebow through Electro > Harmonix Micro Synth and compressor - and a BIG EAR for micro-tonality). Haven't heard Aarset yet. Michael Brook has the Hassell tone and also studied with Pandit Pran Nath. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 10:07:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F43F3BF1E; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <440D5999.8000801@biink.com> References: <20060307090412.99032.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5E19CE13-2DA8-45ED-A916-D887ACAD98FE@boysen.se> <440D5999.8000801@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4E5A3ABC-E421-435C-8027-1CA2E5618CBF@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Jon Hassells music Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:07:00 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:07:03 +0000 (UTC) On 7 mar 2006, at 10.59, David Beardsley wrote: > Haven't heard Aarset yet. Michael Brook has the Hassell tone and > also studied with Pandit Pran Nath. Interesting! I have also listened to Michael Brook but I didn't know he as well studied with Nath. For those interested: Two weeks ago there was a great thread on this list about Brooks "Infinite Guitar" and related things (see the archives) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 10:27:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D834F3BF13; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <440D6032.20105@biink.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:28:02 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Jon Hassells music References: <20060307090412.99032.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5E19CE13-2DA8-45ED-A916-D887ACAD98FE@boysen.se> <440D5999.8000801@biink.com> <4E5A3ABC-E421-435C-8027-1CA2E5618CBF@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <4E5A3ABC-E421-435C-8027-1CA2E5618CBF@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 7 mar 2006, at 10.59, David Beardsley wrote: > >> Haven't heard Aarset yet. Michael Brook has the Hassell tone and >> also studied with Pandit Pran Nath. > > > Interesting! I have also listened to Michael Brook but I didn't know > he as well studied with Nath. He was even on a couple of Hassell's albums. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 10:47:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 000A13BF21; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <440D6032.20105@biink.com> References: <20060307090412.99032.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5E19CE13-2DA8-45ED-A916-D887ACAD98FE@boysen.se> <440D5999.8000801@biink.com> <4E5A3ABC-E421-435C-8027-1CA2E5618CBF@boysen.se> <440D6032.20105@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <47BD96B7-FFC1-451C-AFCC-05C4AF0AAF6F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Aarset's albums (was: Jon Hassells music) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:46:57 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0ShNaB.A.WKC.kSWDEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:47:00 +0000 (UTC) >> On 7 mar 2006, at 10.59, David Beardsley wrote: >>> Haven't heard Aarset yet. Michael Brook has the Hassell tone and >>> also studied with Pandit Pran Nath. >> >> Per Boysen wrote: >> Interesting! I have also listened to Michael Brook but I didn't >> know he as well studied with Nath. > > On 7 mar 2006, at 11.28, David Beardsley wrote: > He was even on a couple of Hassell's albums. yep, and Aarset plays with Hassel now. Here's a link to Aarset's albums on iTMS. You can preview listen with iTunes. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?id=14739036 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 11:45:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D873D3BF15; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060307010138.01d281a8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:03:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Inexpensive digital music TIP (was: Streaming My John Abercrombie Collection Now) In-Reply-To: References: <20060306070044.22304.qmail@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <038001c6412c$22415030$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:45:25 +0000 (UTC) At 12:30 AM 3/7/2006, you wrote: >I wonder how those ruskies can get away with selling music that >inexpensive? It's simple really. They steal it. No money for labels or the artists. Boohoo for the labels but it really stinks for artists who rely on the income from either royalties or on selling their own CDs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 15:36:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2688D3BEF4; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060307082457.37957.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060307082457.37957.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Jon Hassells music Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 07:37:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Rune, I have to admit I'm a sucker for Hassell's music as well. Beginning with is work with Eno on "Powerspot" and up to "Facinoma" just a few years back, I have quite a few recordings of him. He's absolutely unique and I've always dreamt of finding a trumpet player somewhat like that to play with. Mark Isham is another favorite . . . and so is Nils Peter Molvaer. T=AEK On Mar 7, 2006, at 12:24 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > =A0 > I just have=A0come across Jon Hassells music and I love it.=A0Since = he`s=20 > so inspiring to me, I wanted to share this with you=A0music-lovers. > =A0 > In doing this I=A0came to say that Hassell was a Canadian=A0trompeter.=20= > Guys that new better replayed, and said his from L.A. > =A0 > I notice some harsh mails regarding USAs politics because of=20 > my=A0mistake.=A0 > =A0 > I hope I`ve not started some hostile thing, all I wanted=A0to say=20 > is=A0that=A0I love Jon Hassells music ! > =A0 > Take care ! > =A0 > Rune F, Norway=A0=A0=A0=A0= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 16:19:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9C7F3BF0D; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M7LK8OTX/LMmQkyYWMvXceLfez2NeP40ujsY1+soUf/1x2gMe3xBf9KxA+Llh2PJSh4OYrAqH00hLVMJo8iXLjbSukmoArX5O/Mgeco+WTIr1ssE9b2bu0qH1epe+B2hOxCNGqzLVAoxZZBs3+zh4dLYAx6XGFtv5kwcCMziiVo= ; Message-ID: <20060307161859.73423.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:18:59 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Jon Hassells music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1453909532-1141748339=:71169" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:19:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-1453909532-1141748339=:71169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I live not far from Oslo, the capital i Norway and the place where Eivind Aarset(guitarist for Molvaer and Hassell) and Molvear lives, so I have the pleasure of going to their conserts once in a wail. I also love Molvaers trompetplaying and I am a huge fan of Aarset too. This is also the kind of music I like to play, if I could ! best regardings Rune F, Norway tEd ® kiLLiAn skrev: Rune, I have to admit I'm a sucker for Hassell's music as well. Beginning with is work with Eno on "Powerspot" and up to "Facinoma" just a few years back, I have quite a few recordings of him. He's absolutely unique and I've always dreamt of finding a trumpet player somewhat like that to play with. Mark Isham is another favorite . . . and so is Nils Peter Molvaer. T®K On Mar 7, 2006, at 12:24 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > I just have come across Jon Hassells music and I love it. Since he`s > so inspiring to me, I wanted to share this with you music-lovers. > > In doing this I came to say that Hassell was a Canadian trompeter. > Guys that new better replayed, and said his from L.A. > > I notice some harsh mails regarding USAs politics because of > my mistake. > > I hope I`ve not started some hostile thing, all I wanted to say > is that I love Jon Hassells music ! > > Take care ! > > Rune F, Norway --0-1453909532-1141748339=:71169 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I live not far from Oslo, the capital i Norway and the place where Eivind Aarset(guitarist for Molvaer and Hassell) and Molvear lives, so I have the pleasure of going to their conserts once in a wail. I also love Molvaers trompetplaying and I am a huge fan of Aarset too.
 
This is also the kind of music I like to play, if I could !
 
best regardings Rune F, Norway   

tEd ® kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> skrev:
Rune,

I have to admit I'm a sucker for Hassell's music as well. Beginning with
is work with Eno on "Powerspot" and up to "Facinoma" just a few years
back, I have quite a few recordings of him. He's absolutely unique and
I've always dreamt of finding a trumpet player somewhat like that to
play with. Mark Isham is another favorite . . . and so is Nils Peter
Molvaer.

T®K

On Mar 7, 2006, at 12:24 AM, rune fagereng wrote:

> Hi !
>  
> I just have come across Jon Hassells music and I love it. Since he`s
> so inspiring to me, I wanted to share this with you music-lovers.
>  
> In doing this I came to say that Hassell was a Canadian trompeter.
> Guys that new better replayed, and said his from L.A.
>  
> I notice some harsh mails regarding USAs politics because of
> my mistake. 
>  
> I hope I`ve not started some hostile thing, all I wanted to say
> is that I love Jon Hassells music !
>  
> Take care !
>  
> Rune F, Norway    

--0-1453909532-1141748339=:71169-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 16:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33F2B3BF05; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017f01c64203$4a396b90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20060307082457.37957.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Jon Hassells music Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:22:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2006 16:19:36.0294 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED29B860:01C64202] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:20:17 +0000 (UTC) I know only "The fourth world" Can you suggest me other interesting Hassell' works ? fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Jon Hassells music Rune, I have to admit I'm a sucker for Hassell's music as well. Beginning with is work with Eno on "Powerspot" and up to "Facinoma" just a few years back, I have quite a few recordings of him. He's absolutely unique and I've always dreamt of finding a trumpet player somewhat like that to play with. Mark Isham is another favorite . . . and so is Nils Peter Molvaer. T®K On Mar 7, 2006, at 12:24 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > I just have come across Jon Hassells music and I love it. Since he`s so > inspiring to me, I wanted to share this with you music-lovers. > > In doing this I came to say that Hassell was a Canadian trompeter. Guys > that new better replayed, and said his from L.A. > > I notice some harsh mails regarding USAs politics because of my mistake. > I hope I`ve not started some hostile thing, all I wanted to say is that I > love Jon Hassells music ! > > Take care ! > > Rune F, Norway From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 16:36:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 381E73BF06; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <440DB68B.2030604@biink.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:36:27 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, db@biink.com Subject: Re: Jon Hassells music References: <20060307082457.37957.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <017f01c64203$4a396b90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> In-Reply-To: <017f01c64203$4a396b90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Folks should know about this: http://jonhassell.com and the Powerspot list: -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 16:37:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCBEC3BF04; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <017f01c64203$4a396b90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <20060307082457.37957.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <017f01c64203$4a396b90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Jon Hassells music Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:37:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:37:57 +0000 (UTC) On 7 mar 2006, at 17.22, Fabio Anile wrote: > I know only "The fourth world" > Can you suggest me other interesting Hassell' works ? http://www.jonhassell.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 16:42:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 623AD3BF0F; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XZ14w6rO5RgtftRWi58GOb16jfdZtqZYaQUpbixSAAhmyRs/pmiLKZRTIiKoem58; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:46:47 -0800 Subject: Re: Jon Hassells music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <017f01c64203$4a396b90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd480f60252757bbbf2e3e71e018bffadb51cb31c92fc090f552350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.181.176 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:42:04 +0000 (UTC) I keep going back to the "Powerspot" album. joe On Tuesday, March 7, 2006, at 08:22 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: > I know only "The fourth world" > Can you suggest me other interesting Hassell' works ? > fabio > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd =AE kiLLiAn"=20 > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: Jon Hassells music > > > Rune, > > I have to admit I'm a sucker for Hassell's music as well. Beginning=20 > with > is work with Eno on "Powerspot" and up to "Facinoma" just a few years > back, I have quite a few recordings of him. He's absolutely unique and > I've always dreamt of finding a trumpet player somewhat like that to > play with. Mark Isham is another favorite . . . and so is Nils Peter > Molvaer. > > T=AEK > > On Mar 7, 2006, at 12:24 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > >> Hi ! >> >> I just have come across Jon Hassells music and I love it. Since he`s=20= >> so inspiring to me, I wanted to share this with you music-lovers. >> >> In doing this I came to say that Hassell was a Canadian trompeter.=20 >> Guys that new better replayed, and said his from L.A. >> >> I notice some harsh mails regarding USAs politics because of my=20 >> mistake. >> I hope I`ve not started some hostile thing, all I wanted to say is=20 >> that I love Jon Hassells music ! >> >> Take care ! >> >> Rune F, Norway > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 16:50:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F00FC3BF13; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MkpNF0xl5YizAEcQzbjQ3D6FkjUSSZCHQhzQfHFMJ0lPFtFWukzzIoSe2B9CD2fuLGYLHwpGHLP5SVLCYIsASh+RG2N8hm1fDNcQ2v/YdIMR36SlAVUWfLV28wcXgOw3eTNG52QiF6Uv/YvnxmXx9y8S8bNi/4LqShZCTbTgcyM= ; Message-ID: <20060307165044.35226.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:50:44 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Jon Hassells music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1318911380-1141750244=:30667" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-1318911380-1141750244=:30667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I love "Maarifa Street / Magic Realism 2". But I needed some time to get there. Rune f Sheila Olson skrev: I keep going back to the "Powerspot" album. joe On Tuesday, March 7, 2006, at 08:22 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: > I know only "The fourth world" > Can you suggest me other interesting Hassell' works ? > fabio > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: Jon Hassells music > > > Rune, > > I have to admit I'm a sucker for Hassell's music as well. Beginning > with > is work with Eno on "Powerspot" and up to "Facinoma" just a few years > back, I have quite a few recordings of him. He's absolutely unique and > I've always dreamt of finding a trumpet player somewhat like that to > play with. Mark Isham is another favorite . . . and so is Nils Peter > Molvaer. > > T®K > > On Mar 7, 2006, at 12:24 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > >> Hi ! >> >> I just have come across Jon Hassells music and I love it. Since he`s >> so inspiring to me, I wanted to share this with you music-lovers. >> >> In doing this I came to say that Hassell was a Canadian trompeter. >> Guys that new better replayed, and said his from L.A. >> >> I notice some harsh mails regarding USAs politics because of my >> mistake. >> I hope I`ve not started some hostile thing, all I wanted to say is >> that I love Jon Hassells music ! >> >> Take care ! >> >> Rune F, Norway > > --0-1318911380-1141750244=:30667 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I love "Maarifa Street / Magic Realism 2". But I needed some time to get there.
 
Rune f  

Sheila Olson <onelonecrow@earthlink.net> skrev:
I keep going back to the "Powerspot" album.

joe


On Tuesday, March 7, 2006, at 08:22 AM, Fabio Anile wrote:

> I know only "The fourth world"
> Can you suggest me other interesting Hassell' works ?
> fabio
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn"
>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Jon Hassells music
>
>
> Rune,
>
> I have to admit I'm a sucker for Hassell's music as well. Beginning
> with
> is work with Eno on "Powerspot" and up to "Facinoma" just a few years
> back, I have quite a few recordings of him. He's absolutely unique and
> I've always dreamt of finding a trumpet player somewhat like that to
> play with. Mark Isham is another favorite . . . and so is Nils Peter
> Molvaer.
>
> T®K
>
> On Mar 7, 2006, at 12:24 AM, rune fagereng wrote:
>
>> Hi !
>>
>> I just have come across Jon Hassells music and I love it. Since he`s
>> so inspiring to me, I wanted to share this with you music-lovers.
>>
>> In doing this I came to say that Hassell was a Canadian trompeter.
>> Guys that new better replayed, and said his from L.A.
>>
>> I notice some harsh mails regarding USAs politics because of my
>> mistake.
>> I hope I`ve not started some hostile thing, all I wanted to say is
>> that I love Jon Hassells music !
>>
>> Take care !
>>
>> Rune F, Norway
>
>


--0-1318911380-1141750244=:30667-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 16:53:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A16643BF1D; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <017f01c64203$4a396b90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <20060307082457.37957.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <017f01c64203$4a396b90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:53:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Jon Hassells music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7f-vRB.A.mnB.5pbDEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:53:13 +0000 (UTC) At 5:22 PM +0100 3/7/06, Fabio Anile wrote: >I know only "The fourth world" >Can you suggest me other interesting Hassell' works ? I'll put in a plug for Aka-Darbari-Java/Magic Realism. I picked it up on vinyl on it's original release back when I was in college. Previously, I'd only heard Hassell on one track (taken from Dream Theory in Malaya) collected on an Editions EG sampler. I thought this album was just amazing. Heck, sometimes I'd pull it out of the stacks merely to stare at the cover artwork. Beautiful... --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 17:03:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F7573BF14; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Jon Hassells music Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:03:24 +0100 Message-ID: <004401c64209$0c6bfb60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZCB1KJ5nhZZousSQi5qkMCtys27AAAOx7w In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <-QyVpC.A.1gC.nzbDEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:03:35 +0000 (UTC) ok, just wanted to chime in and say that Jon is my all-time favorite musician (yes, for those who know me, he means a lot more to me than even Fripp :-) Some of his tunes (e.g. from his old album Aka-Darbari-Java) _never_ fail to give me the goosebumps, for their sheer beauty. It seems that lots of music that I once loved wears off with time, but not Jon's. His music always works for me. It seems to come directly from some holy place deep inside of me. Fabio: try several albums, my favorite is Aka-Darbari-Java but his latest album Maarifa Street (easier to get) is surprisingly similar at times. Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 17:06:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 964F33BF1E; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1f6.1c7a8953.313f176f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:05:51 EST Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Jon Hassells music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f6.1c7a8953.313f176f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <0J7dy.A.EqC.61bDEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:06:03 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1f6.1c7a8953.313f176f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/7/06 4:47:22 AM, per@boysen.se writes: > play more flute and sax. IMHO it's more fun to make up chords that=A0 > way compared to playing chords on a guitar ;-) >=20 i have started to make up chords with guitar a single note at a=20 time.....using different places on the neck to get somewhat odd tonalities..= ...with=20 feedback lowered this can morph and completely change the "chord" by inputin= g new=20 notes.....i can't play flute so you will have to come to pittsburgh per.....= :)mic=20 www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_1f6.1c7a8953.313f176f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/7/06 4:47:22 AM, per@boysen.se writes:


play more flute and s= ax. IMHO it's more fun to make up chords that=A0
way compared to playing chords on a guitar ;-)


i have started to make up chords with guitar a single note at a time.....= using different places on the neck to get somewhat odd tonalities.....with f= eedback lowered this can morph and completely change the "chord" by inputing= new notes.....i can't play flute so you will have to come to pittsburgh per= .....:)mic



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 --part1_1f6.1c7a8953.313f176f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 17:13:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CAFD3BF07; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01e201c6420a$bc38e7f0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Re: Jon Hassells Music Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:15:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01DF_01C64213.1D96C5F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2006 17:12:51.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D8DFB50:01C6420A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:13:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01DF_01C64213.1D96C5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable People, thanks for all of your suggestions ! fabio ------=_NextPart_000_01DF_01C64213.1D96C5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
People, thanks for all of your suggestions=20 !
fabio
------=_NextPart_000_01DF_01C64213.1D96C5F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 17:20:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE5023BF10; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <1f6.1c7a8953.313f176f@aol.com> References: <1f6.1c7a8953.313f176f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <82F9EAF9-43A9-4E94-B83A-D8D41C8F288E@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Monophobix ;-) (was. Jon Hassells music) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:20:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:20:49 +0000 (UTC) > In a message dated 3/7/06 4:47:22 AM, per@boysen.se writes: > >> play more flute and sax. IMHO it's more fun to make up chords that >> way compared to playing chords on a guitar ;-) > > On 7 mar 2006, at 18.05, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > i have started to make up chords with guitar a single note at a =20 > time.....using different places on the neck to get somewhat odd =20 > tonalities.....with feedback lowered this can morph and completely =20 > change the "chord" by inputing new notes..... Interesting! Bernhard Wagner also did that in a very nice way when we =20= played together in Z=FCrich. Then you can "morph" back again with the =20= Undo button! (OT) The blessing of the E-bow: it prevents the guitarist from killing the music with over harmonized =20= chords ;-)) > i can't play flute so you will have to come to pittsburgh per.....:)=20= > mic yes, I'd love to get over there some day ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?=20 id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 17:53:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57DCD3BF12; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <296.6b90a2d.313f2295@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:53:25 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Monophobix=20;-)=A0=20(was.=A0=20Jon=20Hass?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ells=20music)?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_296.6b90a2d.313f2295_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:53:38 +0000 (UTC) --part1_296.6b90a2d.313f2295_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/7/06 12:21:05 PM, per@boysen.se writes: > Then you can "morph" back again with the=A0 > Undo button! >=20 >=20 i'm sorry per but "undo" is for sissies.....:).....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_296.6b90a2d.313f2295_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/7/06 12:21:05 PM, per@boysen.se writes:


Then you can "morph"=20= back again with the=A0
Undo button!



i'm sorry per but "undo" is for sissies.....:).....mic



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 --part1_296.6b90a2d.313f2295_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 19:16:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDC773BF0C; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <296.6b90a2d.313f2295@aol.com> References: <296.6b90a2d.313f2295@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-242983404 Message-Id: From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: OT: New looping related label Launches Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:15:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:16:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-242983404 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed After years of trying to find the time to do it, I have finally launched Veneto West Records with a distribution deal with DGM / Inner Knot. The first release "Destroying Silence: An Introduction to Veneto West Records" is a compilation that features 4 tracks of looping by Lives of the Saints (my looping duo with Bill Forth) as well as tons of other cool non looping stuff, and the label is planning a couple loop-centric releases over the next year. A short little blurb about the compilation is below. You can learn more about the label here: http://www.venetowest.com/label/ And for a limited time DGM has the compilation on sale for only $5-USD if you order it here: http://www.nexternal.com/dgm/Product818 _____ Ronan Chris Murphy who many of you might know from his work as a producer, engineer and/or mixer for the likes of Steve Morse, Bozzio Levin Stevens, the CGT and over a dozen releases by King Crimson has started a new label focused on hard jazz, prog and experimental new music, or as Murphy describes it "High brow music with a punk rock spirit" "Destroying Silence: An introduction to Veneto West Records:" is a new compilation distributed exclusively through Inner Knot featuring Anthony Curtis, Willie Oteri, Lives of the Saints (Murphy with Bill Forth of 10 seconds), Jay Terrien and Italian band Hypnoise. Many of these artists are supported on this 13 song CD by some of the best names in Progressive rock including Tony Levin (5 songs), Pat Mastelotto (5 Songs) Mike Keneally (4 songs) Jeff Gauther (2 songs) and many others. For more info check out www.venetowest.com ______ Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-6-242983404 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII After years of trying to find the time to do it, I have finally launched Veneto West Records with a distribution deal with DGM / Inner Knot. The first release 5EFC,0701,093E"Destroying Silence: An Introduction to Veneto West Records" is a compilation that features 4 tracks of looping by Lives of the Saints (my looping duo with Bill Forth) as well as tons of other cool non looping stuff, and the label is planning a couple loop-centric releases over the next year. A short little blurb about the compilation is below. You can learn more about the label here: http://www.venetowest.com/label/ And for a limited time DGM has the compilation on sale for only $5-USD if you order it here: http://www.nexternal.com/dgm/Product818 _____ Helvetica5EFC,0833,0952Ronan Chris Murphy who many of you might know from his work as a producer, engineer and/or mixer for the likes of Steve Morse, Bozzio Levin Stevens, the CGT and over a dozen releases by King Crimson has started a new label focused on hard jazz, prog and experimental new music, or as Murphy describes it "High brow music with a punk rock spirit" "Destroying Silence: An introduction to Veneto West Records:" is a new compilation distributed exclusively through Inner Knot featuring Anthony Curtis, Willie Oteri, Lives of the Saints (Murphy with Bill Forth of 10 seconds), Jay Terrien and Italian band Hypnoise. Many of these artists are supported on this 13 song CD by some of the best names in Progressive rock including Tony Levin (5 songs), Pat Mastelotto (5 Songs) Mike Keneally (4 songs) Jeff Gauther (2 songs) and many others. For more info check out www.venetowest.com ______ Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-6-242983404-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 19:22:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A70F23BF0C; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:22:50 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Monophobix ;-) =?ISO-8859-1?B?oCh3YXMuIKBKb24gSGFzc2VsbHMgbXVzaWMp?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <40F2594F.28086A8D.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.77.76.157 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, Per Boysen wrote: >(OT) The blessing of the E-bow: >it prevents the guitarist from killing the music with over harmonized >chords ;-)) > Indeed. The most enjoyable part of looping is to build things up one piece at a time and let things go where they will - once you've dropped a full chord into a loop it feels like you've blocked off a whole load of other possibilities. Heck, I've left a loop whizzing around the JamMan for several minutes before deciding what the next note will be sometimes (I don't inflict that on anyone else, mind...) "Not building a wall but making a brick," or "You can only make one dot at a time," perhaps ? ;) - Tony __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 20:17:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 916CB3BF00; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:17:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: hassell video live 2005 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:17:45 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c64224$333ed710$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C6422C.95033F10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZCFuvVpro9NoXARGOdmUC+yoAi5gADMvJQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:17:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C6422C.95033F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit somebody from the Jon Hassell mailing list just posted this link to a 3 minute concert realvideo: -----Original Message----- From: powerspot@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:powerspot@yahoogroups.com] From: "kandokoro" Subject: ? hassell video live 2005 Hi. Does anyone know about this video: Jon Hassell & Maarifa Street au festival d'Amiens musiques de jazz et d'ailleurs, March 2005 http://www.mondomix.com/en/videos.php?artist_id=1164&reportage_id=2707 Is there a longer version available? Is it for sale somewhere? Thanks. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C6422C.95033F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

somebody from the Jon Hassell mailing = list just=20 posted this link to a 3 minute concert realvideo:

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: powerspot@yahoogroups.com [mailto:powerspot@yahoogroups.com]
   From: "kandokoro"=20 <Kandokoro@yahoo.com>
Subject: ? hassell video live=20 2005

Hi.
Does anyone know about this video:
Jon Hassell = &=20 Maarifa Street au festival d'Amiens musiques de jazz et d'ailleurs, = March=20 2005  
http://www.mondomix.com/en/videos.php?artist_id=3D1164&repor= tage_id=3D2707

Is there a longer version available? Is it for = sale=20 somewhere?

Thanks.

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C6422C.95033F10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 20:30:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 713113BEF0; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <440DED47.7010903@pobox.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:29:59 -0800 From: Bob Campbell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jon Hassells Music - on eMusic References: <01e201c6420a$bc38e7f0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> In-Reply-To: <01e201c6420a$bc38e7f0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:30:36 +0000 (UTC) as usual, its often worth checking eMusic.com, I often find work by artists that are mentioned here. Cheaper and no DRM than other sources, and a pretty diverse catalog. Jon Hassell as a couple of things there I hadn't heard. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 21:15:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 216F43BEFC; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <069a01c6422c$47eaeb10$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Terje Rypdal's New CD - Vossabrygg Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:15:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 495, in=247634, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Rypdal's new CD "Vossabrygg" ("Vossa Brew") just came in the mail today...I'm listen to it now. Wonderful, as expected. This was recorded live on April 12, 2003 at Vossa Jazz Festival in Norway. Here is the kicker...this production was partially inspired by Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew"....and you can hear the inspiration in the music, if you've spent any time listening to Miles' work. The lineup: Terje Rypdal (guitar), Palle Mikkelborg (trumpet, synthesizer), Bugge Wesseltoft (electric piano, synthesizer), Stale Storlokken (hammon organ, electric piano, synthesizer), Marius Rypdal (electronics, samples, turntables), Bjorn Kjellemyr (electric and acoustic basses), Jon Christensen (drums), Paolo Vinaccia (drums). This CD grooves really well, is full of improv, but has that beautiful reverberating and ethereal guitar melody work from Terje. The electric piano really gives it that Bitches Brew feel as well. I still need to finish the CD, but I couldn't resist saying something about it now. It's interesting to see his bother/son? on the CD too...the samples and electronics add a nice touch to Rypdal's style. Anyone attend this festival? More here, and sound clips: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CRQZS2/qid=1141765530/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-9952696-6731840?s=music&v=glance&n=5174 Reviews: http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/jazz/reviews/rypdal_vossa.shtml http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=20615 http://www.cherwell.org/arts/music/album_review_terje_rypdal_vossabrygg Kris www.krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 7 23:09:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB5C33BEEC; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 23:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QRZq83TOqEMM3iJbHiykMmsfrKfu4bHMKxt8Sdb+rBWe255h9RMUL/L6lpcLt+/LAMD7COhkE/xSsoFc7uZWdMaZuR5cadlOPzRrf6TINQdHFveIQZhMORN7j3A/2vCzpM5xT6pT2c103Zby5b10FD0Yvxf3/7j3lgHNDl4ypMM= ; Message-ID: <20060307230936.10638.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 00:09:36 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. hassell video live 2005 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001801c64224$333ed710$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1349148743-1141772976=:8761" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 23:09:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-1349148743-1141772976=:8761 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Is the video possible to buy ? Is it a complete consert ? Rune f Michael Peters skrev: somebody from the Jon Hassell mailing list just posted this link to a 3 minute concert realvideo: -----Original Message----- From: powerspot@yahoogroups.com [mailto:powerspot@yahoogroups.com] From: "kandokoro" Subject: ? hassell video live 2005 Hi. Does anyone know about this video: Jon Hassell & Maarifa Street au festival d'Amiens musiques de jazz et d'ailleurs, March 2005 http://www.mondomix.com/en/videos.php?artist_id=1164&reportage_id=2707 Is there a longer version available? Is it for sale somewhere? Thanks. --0-1349148743-1141772976=:8761 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Is the video possible to buy ? Is it a complete consert ?
 
Rune f

Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> skrev:
somebody from the Jon Hassell mailing list just posted this link to a 3 minute concert realvideo:

-----Original Message-----
From: powerspot@yahoogroups.com [mailto:powerspot@yahoogroups.com]
   From: "kandokoro" <Kandokoro@yahoo.com>
Subject: ? hassell video live 2005

Hi.
Does anyone know about this video:
Jon Hassell & Maarifa Street au festival d'Amiens musiques de jazz et d'ailleurs, March 2005  
http://www.mondomix.com/en/videos.php?artist_id=1164&reportage_id=2707

Is there a longer version available? Is it for sale somewhere?

Thanks.

--0-1349148743-1141772976=:8761-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 02:17:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD6F93BF06; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 02:17:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <017f01c64203$4a396b90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <20060307082457.37957.qmail@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <017f01c64203$4a396b90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-268330455 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Jon Hassells music Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:18:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 02:17:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-268330455 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Fabio, Favorite Hassell recordings that have graduated to my CD collection from my LP and cassette collection (I liked 'em enough to purchase 'em again) are: Fourth World, Vol. 1: Possible Musics Flash of the Spirit The Surgeon Of The Nightsky Restores Dead Things By The Power Of Sound Power Spot * Fascinoma * City: Works of Fiction * Particular favorites. On Mar 7, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: > I know only "The fourth world" > Can you suggest me other interesting Hassell' works ? > fabio --Apple-Mail-1-268330455 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII 0000,0000,0000Fabio, Favorite Hassell recordings that have graduated to my CD collection from my LP and cassette collection (I liked 'em enough to purchase 'em again) are: Fourth World, Vol. 1: Possible Musics Flash of the Spirit The Surgeon Of The Nightsky Restores Dead Things By The Power Of Sound Power Spot * Fascinoma * City: Works of Fiction * Particular favorites. On Mar 7, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: 0000,0000,FFFFI know only "The fourth world" Can you suggest me other interesting Hassell' works ? fabio --Apple-Mail-1-268330455-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 03:32:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D8193BEF3; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 03:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00db01c64260$f65a8960$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <069a01c6422c$47eaeb10$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 22:32:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 03:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Maybe she let the "mood candles" burn out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 03:35:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 204E53BEFE; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 03:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.161.153.16] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <00db01c64260$f65a8960$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:35:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2006 03:35:11.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DE4A990:01C64261] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 03:35:12 +0000 (UTC) or used all of his hair spray >From: "Paul" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend >Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 22:32:43 -0500 > >Maybe she let the "mood candles" burn out. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 03:50:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DBCC3BF07; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 03:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <440E547A.1040606@biink.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:50:18 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 03:50:21 +0000 (UTC) After she said "You're that Yanni???", all shit broke loose. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 05:02:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4354D3BEF0; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060308000502.01273330@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:05:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: OT: Need help finding a jazz recording In-Reply-To: <015501c640e1$927072a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Rick posted: >If you don't know Farrell's work (he died too young in 1986) take a listen >to Chick Coreas' first two Return to Forever recordings for ECM records. ... >So, I'm looking for the JOE FARRELL QUARTET album on CTI records. It seems the Joe Farrell Quartet album was released on CD in 1990 then went right back out of print ( CTI ZK-40694 ). I was also into his Moon Germs LP back in the day. Moon Germs is available on CD again and features Jack DeJohnette, Herbie Hancock and Stanley Clarke IIRC. All these Power Spot fans should check it out. Now i have to find the Joe Farrell Quartet album on CD, too .... someday.... The one copy I've found online so far has an outrageous price (~$60). Thanks for reminding me I need Light as a Feather on CD, too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 06:31:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 113863BEFA; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:31:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060307222924.01daee80@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:32:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Boomerang Bargain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:31:52 +0000 (UTC) I contacted Mike Nelson about the Blooperang and here's his reply: From: Mike Nelson It's true, it's true. The price is $279 for Blooperang (Rang Plus with bug), power supply and shipping. If you buy a gig bag at the same time it's only $20. The bug is very specific and you must follow this exact sequence to encounter it. Press RECORD and record until the memory is full. That means no buttons can be pressed after the inital RECORD. When memory fills, all the green LED's will come on. At this point the unit must sit untouched for a while. Now when PLAY is pressed, you may have very loud distorted noise play. If your unit is in this condition, press RECORD then PLAY/STOP. The noisy loop is now gone. So, as you can see, it's a very odd thing to do with a Rang(TM) sampler and the bug won't be encountered under normal use. Mike Nelson "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler makes you play better." ---------- Shipping Address (send repairs & upgrades here) 3704 Oakwood Grapevine, TX 76051 Billing Address Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-251-8737, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 09:38:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 294AF3BF06; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060307222924.01daee80@TheNettles.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060307222924.01daee80@TheNettles.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 03:39:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Boomerang Bargain Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:38:51 +0000 (UTC) At 10:32 PM -0800 3/7/06, Kevin wrote: >I contacted Mike Nelson about the Blooperang and here's his reply: Are there still Blooperangs in stock? I was in a situation where I could've used one around late summer/early fall, but figured the stock had to have run out by that time and dropped the idea. --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 13:38:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAD823BEF3; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,175,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="74439662:sNHT58400602" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060307222924.01daee80@TheNettles.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060307222924.01daee80@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Boomerang Bargain Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 07:38:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:38:38 +0000 (UTC) I had an email exchange with Mike last week, and there's more news there: "We will be releasing a non-looping pedal at the summer NAMM show and will follow quickly with a new Rang(TM) sampler based on the same hardware. It will be 2/3 the size of the Rang, less expensive and WAY more powerful: superb audio specs, super low noise floor, long record time, true stereo, multi level undo/redo, more loops, and a slew of different utility features such as a built in octave down effect for creating bass lines and a metronome with volume control." Based on that, I decided *not* to buy a Blooperang, but to simply try to be early in line for the mk 2. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Mar 8, 2006, at 12:32 AM, Kevin wrote: > I contacted Mike Nelson about the Blooperang and here's his reply: > > From: Mike Nelson > It's true, it's true. The price is $279 for Blooperang (Rang > Plus with bug), power supply and shipping. If you buy a gig bag at > the same time it's only $20. > The bug is very specific and you must follow this exact sequence > to encounter it. Press RECORD and record until the memory is full. > That means no buttons can be pressed after the inital RECORD. When > memory fills, all the green LED's will come on. At this point the > unit must sit untouched for a while. Now when PLAY is pressed, you > may have very loud distorted noise play. > If your unit is in this condition, press RECORD then PLAY/STOP. > The noisy loop is now gone. > So, as you can see, it's a very odd thing to do with a Rang(TM) > sampler and the bug won't be encountered under normal use. > > Mike Nelson > > "Some products make you sound better; > the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler makes you play better." > > ---------- > > Shipping Address (send repairs & upgrades here) > 3704 Oakwood > Grapevine, TX 76051 > > Billing Address > Boomerang Musical Products > PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 > 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-251-8737, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax > > http://www.boomerangmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 14:29:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C921A3BF0C; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <22185844.167861141828189796.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 07:29:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Bargain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Kelly Thanks for giving us a heads up on the new and improved 'Rang. Just wondering if there is going to be feedback control and midi clock sync capabilities with this new 2/3 rds sized looping box from the Boomerang folks. It is becoming more interesting as you write about it. I am sorry if I missed that somewhere in the exchange. Any other details you could provide would be appreciated. And price? What is the current price on Boomerangs? Just for point of reference. Thanks, Todd -----Original Message----- >From: Kelly Coyle >Sent: Mar 8, 2006 6:38 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Boomerang Bargain > >I had an email exchange with Mike last week, and there's more news >there: > >"We will be releasing a non-looping pedal at the summer NAMM show and >will follow quickly with a new Rang(TM) sampler based on the same >hardware. It will be 2/3 the size of the Rang, less expensive and WAY >more powerful: superb audio specs, super low noise floor, long record >time, true stereo, multi level undo/redo, more loops, and a slew of >different utility features such as a built in octave down effect for >creating bass lines and a metronome with volume control." > >Based on that, I decided *not* to buy a Blooperang, but to simply try >to be early in line for the mk 2. > > > > > > > > > > >----- >Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net >Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ > > >On Mar 8, 2006, at 12:32 AM, Kevin wrote: > >> I contacted Mike Nelson about the Blooperang and here's his reply: >> >> From: Mike Nelson >> It's true, it's true. The price is $279 for Blooperang (Rang >> Plus with bug), power supply and shipping. If you buy a gig bag at >> the same time it's only $20. >> The bug is very specific and you must follow this exact sequence >> to encounter it. Press RECORD and record until the memory is full. >> That means no buttons can be pressed after the inital RECORD. When >> memory fills, all the green LED's will come on. At this point the >> unit must sit untouched for a while. Now when PLAY is pressed, you >> may have very loud distorted noise play. >> If your unit is in this condition, press RECORD then PLAY/STOP. >> The noisy loop is now gone. >> So, as you can see, it's a very odd thing to do with a Rang(TM) >> sampler and the bug won't be encountered under normal use. >> >> Mike Nelson >> >> "Some products make you sound better; >> the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler makes you play better." >> >> ---------- >> >> Shipping Address (send repairs & upgrades here) >> 3704 Oakwood >> Grapevine, TX 76051 >> >> Billing Address >> Boomerang Musical Products >> PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 >> 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-251-8737, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax >> >> http://www.boomerangmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 14:48:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 668433BF14; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05bf01c642bf$683b95c0$4500a8c0@spawn> From: "gus" To: Subject: echoplex differences and advice please! Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:48:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05BC_01C642C7.C779C810" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Status: No (score -1.4): ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - svr64.edns1.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wellwornworkshops.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:48:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05BC_01C642C7.C779C810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi I'm new here, and I have a couple of questions for the experienced = loopers out there.=20 Im preparing for live realtime looping performances and I'm considering = buying an echoplex. Is it still the most comprehensive realtime looper = out there? there is no more modern equivalent? Or decent software? = (latency makes me think software is a no go) I tried the boss 20 thingo = recently and found it a bit frustrating getting looptimes exact was not = easy and the realtime functions seamed limited, undo also took a while = to delete (which is not so good for live) is this quicker with the = echoplex? Also is there a difference between the older white echoplex oberheim and = the black gibson version. Can both support the newest software version = the loop IV ?=20 I noticed on the rear of one of the 2 units the footswitching jacks are = different. Can anyone tell me if there is a difference there? thanks heaps for your help.=20 gus ------=_NextPart_000_05BC_01C642C7.C779C810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi I'm new here, and I have a couple of = questions=20 for the experienced loopers out there.
 
Im preparing for live realtime looping = performances=20 and I'm considering buying an = echoplex. Is it=20 still the most comprehensive realtime looper out there? there is no more = modern=20 equivalent? Or decent software? (latency makes me think software is = a no=20 go)  I tried the boss 20 thingo recently and found it a bit = frustrating=20 getting looptimes exact was not easy and the realtime functions seamed = limited,=20 undo also took a while to delete (which is not so good for live) is this = quicker=20 with the echoplex?
 
Also is there a difference between the = older white=20 echoplex oberheim and the black gibson version. Can both support the = newest=20 software version the loop IV ?
 
I noticed on the rear of one of the 2 = units the=20 footswitching jacks are different. Can anyone tell me if there is a = difference=20 there?
 
thanks heaps for your = help. 
gus
------=_NextPart_000_05BC_01C642C7.C779C810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 14:59:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B53C3BF0F; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:51:33 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hardware Sequencer Suggestions Message-ID: <20060308135133.GA2912@tanawana.zoominternet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:59:43 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking for some advice to replace my laptop setup with a hardware sequencer if possible. The "basics" of my looping is done with acoustic guitars and echoplex, along with various sound modules for bass, drums, keys fed by the computer which contains a large amount of short midi clips I call up or shut off through a midi foot controller. So basically I'm looking for a sequencer to store and call up midi loops at will, through a foot controller. Sounds aren't important due to my sound modules. It's more about live performance control being able to turn on and off or switch loops or multiple loops, etc. Last 2 I checked out were an MPC1000 and a Yamaha QY100 which both were close but had limitations to them. Before I read another manual I thought I'd ask here. Thanks ---> rick :O) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 15:19:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1A1A3BF11; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <22185844.167861141828189796.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <22185844.167861141828189796.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Boomerang Bargain Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:19:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:19:44 +0000 (UTC) That is, literally, all I know. Current 'rangs sell for $400 at Zzounds. The defective rangs are $300. Mike used to contribute to this list, way back when, but I haven't seen him here in a while. He's a super nice guy. You could ask him. On Mar 8, 2006, at 8:29 AM, Todd Howell wrote: > Kelly > > Thanks for giving us a heads up on the new and improved 'Rang. Just > wondering if there is going to be feedback control and midi clock > sync capabilities with this new 2/3 rds sized looping box from the > Boomerang folks. It is becoming more interesting as you write about > it. I am sorry if I missed that somewhere in the exchange. Any > other details you could provide would be appreciated. And price? > What is the current price on Boomerangs? Just for point of reference. > > Thanks, > > Todd > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Kelly Coyle >> Sent: Mar 8, 2006 6:38 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Boomerang Bargain >> >> I had an email exchange with Mike last week, and there's more news >> there: >> >> "We will be releasing a non-looping pedal at the summer NAMM show and >> will follow quickly with a new Rang(TM) sampler based on the same >> hardware. It will be 2/3 the size of the Rang, less expensive and WAY >> more powerful: superb audio specs, super low noise floor, long record >> time, true stereo, multi level undo/redo, more loops, and a slew of >> different utility features such as a built in octave down effect for >> creating bass lines and a metronome with volume control." >> >> Based on that, I decided *not* to buy a Blooperang, but to simply try >> to be early in line for the mk 2. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net >> Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> On Mar 8, 2006, at 12:32 AM, Kevin wrote: >> >>> I contacted Mike Nelson about the Blooperang and here's his reply: >>> >>> From: Mike Nelson >>> It's true, it's true. The price is $279 for Blooperang (Rang >>> Plus with bug), power supply and shipping. If you buy a gig bag at >>> the same time it's only $20. >>> The bug is very specific and you must follow this exact sequence >>> to encounter it. Press RECORD and record until the memory is full. >>> That means no buttons can be pressed after the inital RECORD. When >>> memory fills, all the green LED's will come on. At this point the >>> unit must sit untouched for a while. Now when PLAY is pressed, you >>> may have very loud distorted noise play. >>> If your unit is in this condition, press RECORD then PLAY/STOP. >>> The noisy loop is now gone. >>> So, as you can see, it's a very odd thing to do with a Rang(TM) >>> sampler and the bug won't be encountered under normal use. >>> >>> Mike Nelson >>> >>> "Some products make you sound better; >>> the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler makes you play better." >>> >>> ---------- >>> >>> Shipping Address (send repairs & upgrades here) >>> 3704 Oakwood >>> Grapevine, TX 76051 >>> >>> Billing Address >>> Boomerang Musical Products >>> PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 >>> 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-251-8737, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax >>> >>> http://www.boomerangmusic.com >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 15:27:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 962663BF16; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Di8GilcEgD3uij7DyXbH2ILihc1J8fuCSMKH7rW5LP9kRsn8F9yzcnP1AijTlPZe+eBkHmwex2SQT64qBMAFVRCO6dTxDwAnBDsqvyd8eFlKnb5uCD/0uivHpfAbUhpS8C3kwzTs4vvyxRPElPxo5RnOPYkP9jLhwvUkdNwzb3M= Message-ID: <64b81a780603080727w4f97d233j54663f5d0e2d9c6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:27:41 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Bargain In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060307222924.01daee80@TheNettles.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Wow, I'm salivating. I can't wait to see what Mike has cooked up.=20 Thanks for the info Kelly. Todd On 3/8/06, Kelly Coyle wrote: > I had an email exchange with Mike last week, and there's more news > there: > > "We will be releasing a non-looping pedal at the summer NAMM show and > will follow quickly with a new Rang(TM) sampler based on the same > hardware. It will be 2/3 the size of the Rang, less expensive and WAY > more powerful: superb audio specs, super low noise floor, long record > time, true stereo, multi level undo/redo, more loops, and a slew of > different utility features such as a built in octave down effect for > creating bass lines and a metronome with volume control." > > Based on that, I decided *not* to buy a Blooperang, but to simply try > to be early in line for the mk 2. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 17:24:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55FA33BF1E; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=T9NdrNXleJNT32pGG9hz4lF9nU5krXZYsEPoi5PfbSq9G3Ap9qtjWJ4Uebmyeu8pUskCwky8e6zUb5Hwwl766/OPh/m0SqcYILO9N4NixWCnjZzQej4u4cGbZ0PgAOVkcoSQnR5gY1STqOKYlyJ2jUWV+dIXKJOXyFC0uw4d7Gg= ; Message-ID: <20060308172438.70125.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:24:38 -0800 (PST) From: jan gyn Subject: Re: OT: Need help finding a jazz recording To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20060308000502.01273330@pop.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:24:39 +0000 (UTC) That first Farrell album has one of John McLaughlin's best solos in 'Follow Your Heart'. -jan --- nick douglas wrote: > Rick posted: > >If you don't know Farrell's work (he died too young > in 1986) take a listen > >to Chick Coreas' first two Return to Forever > recordings for ECM records. > ... > >So, I'm looking for the JOE FARRELL QUARTET album > on CTI records. > > It seems the Joe Farrell Quartet album was released > on CD in 1990 then went right back out of print ( > CTI ZK-40694 ). I was also into his Moon Germs LP > back in the day. Moon Germs is available on CD > again and features Jack DeJohnette, Herbie Hancock > and Stanley Clarke IIRC. All these Power Spot fans > should check it out. > > Now i have to find the Joe Farrell Quartet album on > CD, too .... someday.... The one copy I've found > online so far has an outrageous price (~$60). Thanks > for reminding me I need Light as a Feather on CD, > too. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 18:01:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E37D93BF1A; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:08:14 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Hardware Sequencer Suggestions X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 62.3.215.194 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060308160812.88F2526328D@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick, The old Yamaha QY700 is still the Daddy of all hardware sequencers in my opinion, but whether it can do what you want - you will have to read the manual. The QY100 is derived from the QY700, so it is likely to present you with the same limitations, although in a much larger and more user friendly box. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Hardware Sequencer Suggestions Date: 08/03/06 15:00 I'm looking for some advice to replace my laptop setup with a hardware sequencer if possible. The "basics" of my looping is done with acoustic guitars and echoplex, along with various sound modules for bass, drums, keys fed by the computer which contains a large amount of short midi clips I call up or shut off through a midi foot controller. So basically I'm looking for a sequencer to store and call up midi loops at will, through a foot controller. Sounds aren't important due to my sound modules. It's more about live performance control being able to turn on and off or switch loops or multiple loops, etc. Last 2 I checked out were an MPC1000 and a Yamaha QY100 which both were close but had limitations to them. Before I read another manual I thought I'd ask here. Thanks ---> rick :O) ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 18:38:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 630AE3BF04; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <440F2493.8020004@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:38:11 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware Sequencer Suggestions References: <20060308135133.GA2912@tanawana.zoominternet.net> In-Reply-To: <20060308135133.GA2912@tanawana.zoominternet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick. I'd definitely recommend the Yamaha rm1x. It's definitely a fun sequencer. a. rick wrote: > I'm looking for some advice to replace my laptop setup with a hardware > sequencer if possible. > > The "basics" of my looping is done with acoustic guitars and echoplex, > along with various sound modules for bass, drums, keys fed by the > computer which contains a large amount of short midi clips I call > up or shut off through a midi foot controller. > > So basically I'm looking for a sequencer to store and call up midi loops > at will, through a foot controller. Sounds aren't important due to my > sound modules. It's more about live performance control being able to > turn on and off or switch loops or multiple loops, etc. > > Last 2 I checked out were an MPC1000 and a Yamaha QY100 which both were > close but had limitations to them. Before I read another manual I > thought I'd ask here. > > Thanks ---> rick :O) > > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 18:46:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDEA43BF10; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=gke0NsnN5ZRG6K6aNc7TbjX4xGiehsioYwdQep/o6FXMu00cTYZp/vCHULvQ+0xns2YWpWzKQIKjIkCB4wteskhcojnMS2dRy6awmqEYQu3YSRpMlCbuSovCW5z3aNf1XHBQx8liVm5yMSl+oWQDxTMpWhBIOwOqSrNCAaG618U= Message-ID: <26ba8d120603081046j5ea1723ke5688f0fd8e9905b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:46:18 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: cancelled: march 11 open loop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:46:58 +0000 (UTC) I should have sent this before -- but the March 11 open loop was cancelled because the bar where we were holding it closed. grrr. My last two shows since I started playing again have been nothing short of disastrous -- between the one I advertised on this list and another one, I had a total of two people showing up to see me. It's probably going to be quite some time before I try again. -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 20:06:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B70A3BEFE; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:57:59 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware Sequencer Suggestions Message-ID: <20060308185759.GA3287@tanawana.zoominternet.net> References: <20060308160812.88F2526328D@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060308160812.88F2526328D@smtp.nildram.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Reading the manual on this one now actually. Very nice. Essentially a QY100 with much more control. Where I get unsure is can you switch between pattern/loops/ via footswitch or midi foot controller with these?? The manual on the QY100 says you can with a foorswitch, but it only scrolls forward and not backward it appears. Only hitch I can see so far for my uses. On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 04:08:14PM +0000, Fluke wrote: > Hi Rick, > > The old Yamaha QY700 is still the Daddy of all hardware sequencers in my > opinion, but whether it can do what you want - you will have to read the > manual. The QY100 is derived from the QY700, so it is likely to present you > with the same limitations, although in a much larger and more user friendly > box. > > Nik > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Subject: Hardware Sequencer Suggestions > Date: 08/03/06 15:00 > > > > I'm looking for some advice to replace my laptop setup with a hardware > sequencer if possible. > > The "basics" of my looping is done with acoustic guitars and echoplex, > along with various sound modules for bass, drums, keys fed by the > computer which contains a large amount of short midi clips I call > up or shut off through a midi foot controller. > > So basically I'm looking for a sequencer to store and call up midi loops > at will, through a foot controller. Sounds aren't important due to my > sound modules. It's more about live performance control being able to > turn on and off or switch loops or multiple loops, etc. > > Last 2 I checked out were an MPC1000 and a Yamaha QY100 which both were > close but had limitations to them. Before I read another manual I > thought I'd ask here. > > Thanks ---> rick :O) > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 20:09:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9CA13BF07; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:01:06 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware Sequencer Suggestions Message-ID: <20060308190106.GB3287@tanawana.zoominternet.net> References: <20060308135133.GA2912@tanawana.zoominternet.net> <440F2493.8020004@post.cybercity.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <440F2493.8020004@post.cybercity.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.60 () [Tag at 15.00] J_CHICKENPOX_21 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:09:17 +0000 (UTC) I'll check it out. Seems the suggestions are definately capable for what I need. Getting control of loop changes via footswitch is the question now. I'll read up on this one though. Thanks. On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 07:38:11PM +0100, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Hi Rick. I'd definitely recommend the Yamaha rm1x. It's definitely a fun > sequencer. > a. > > rick wrote: > >I'm looking for some advice to replace my laptop setup with a hardware > >sequencer if possible. > > > >The "basics" of my looping is done with acoustic guitars and echoplex, > >along with various sound modules for bass, drums, keys fed by the > >computer which contains a large amount of short midi clips I call > >up or shut off through a midi foot controller. > > > >So basically I'm looking for a sequencer to store and call up midi loops > >at will, through a foot controller. Sounds aren't important due to my > >sound modules. It's more about live performance control being able to > >turn on and off or switch loops or multiple loops, etc. > > > >Last 2 I checked out were an MPC1000 and a Yamaha QY100 which both were > >close but had limitations to them. Before I read another manual I > >thought I'd ask here. > > > >Thanks ---> rick :O) > > > > > > > > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 20:38:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 474973BF17; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tGCyqepZOQZ0u84Jen4KT38DCUYJM78n7CdRsJfasgqZbJ4TpQg7cL5FNf/8BMco6VD5QkBZM6tRjI+7LbE4+wO4iDJzuCpdD5QczbVTJio+Ok1krGbNwajhT3siSmpVTNDCuTBMQZGApory42i4yPIOAW7w8NxsWo+p72ltV2Y= ; Message-ID: <20060308203808.1478.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:38:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: cancelled: march 11 open loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120603081046j5ea1723ke5688f0fd8e9905b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Bummer; I'll be in NYC from Friday until Wednesday and could have made it to this one. Does anyone know of any loop-related events going on in NYC in the coming week? -t- --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > I should have sent this before -- but the March 11 > open loop was > cancelled because the bar where we were holding it > closed. grrr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 20:59:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B04EA3BF10; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:59:09 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Hardware Sequencer Suggestions X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.180.131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060308205905.541263346A0@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <2xIDUC.A.fvG.fW0DEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Hmmmm.... I think you would have to have all your loops running in parallel on muted tracks, and use MIDI messages to unmute them individually. Maybe not such a good idea. You would also have to deal with the infamous QY700 'Loop Bug'. In Song mode - not pattern mode - it glitches when it loops. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Hardware Sequencer Suggestions Date: 08/03/06 20:06 Reading the manual on this one now actually. Very nice. Essentially a QY100 with much more control. Where I get unsure is can you switch between pattern/loops/ via footswitch or midi foot controller with these?? The manual on the QY100 says you can with a foorswitch, but it only scrolls forward and not backward it appears. Only hitch I can see so far for my uses. On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 04:08:14PM +0000, Fluke wrote: > Hi Rick, > > The old Yamaha QY700 is still the Daddy of all hardware sequencers in my > opinion, but whether it can do what you want - you will have to read the > manual. The QY100 is derived from the QY700, so it is likely to present you > with the same limitations, although in a much larger and more user friendly > box. > > Nik > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 21:28:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA3243BF19; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.566975cb.3140a67d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:28:29 EST Subject: loops as heating fuel (an observation) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7b.566975cb.3140a67d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:28:39 +0000 (UTC) --part1_7b.566975cb.3140a67d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my house is cold out of necessity, $, besides i do not like being hot.....my third floor studio has no heat.....i start out loopin with a hooded sweatshirt and a hat, i feel like gloves would not be a bad idea.....but after 30-40 mins. the hat is gone the hood is down and i'm sweatin.....and i'm not jumpin around or anything like that.....how could that little motion produce that much heat?.....it's magic!.....:)mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_7b.566975cb.3140a67d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my house is cold out of necessity, $, b= esides i do not like being hot.....my third floor studio has no heat.....i s= tart out loopin with a hooded sweatshirt and a hat, i feel like gloves would= not be a bad idea.....but after 30-40 mins. the hat is gone the hood is dow= n and i'm sweatin.....and i'm not jumpin around or anything like that.....ho= w could that little motion produce that much heat?.....it's magic!.....:)mic=



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 --part1_7b.566975cb.3140a67d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 21:47:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 047F63BF0D; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:47:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FMxU2X6lCQ7vJob680dcpOL4ymZBpbvfBXr16UA10O1TNb5e6PXOjnj45JQH7P7efboIOtt41Jq01xYA8E51Z8kyJA4YovzOfFmYZaF8nst5qYzJ3VGwS1+dq+JbRevi6cU3GbODlLlwLbwGqi4HdhLgYUBSLXgYqB2JlHIQJyQ= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730603081347mfe3777ckc7ddfe6b267640e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:47:31 -0500 From: "Clint Allen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loops as heating fuel (an observation) In-Reply-To: <7b.566975cb.3140a67d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11119_22249997.1141854451565" References: <7b.566975cb.3140a67d@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:47:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11119_22249997.1141854451565 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I had the same thing happening the other day...well, last few times in fact... Due to incredible gas utility costs, I have kept the heat off and have been wearing extra clothing. BUT, when in the studio, it is amazing how much hea= t you can produce just through adrenalin rushes and excitement. The drawback is my roommate wants to strangle me. Even more. On 3/8/06, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > my house is cold out of necessity, $, besides i do not like being > hot.....my third floor studio has no heat.....i start out loopin with a > hooded sweatshirt and a hat, i feel like gloves would not be a bad > idea.....but after 30-40 mins. the hat is gone the hood is down and i'm > sweatin.....and i'm not jumpin around or anything like that.....how could > that little motion produce that much heat?.....it's magic!.....:)mic > > > > www.ct-collective.com > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 > ------=_Part_11119_22249997.1141854451565 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I had the same thing happening the other day...well, last few times in= fact...
 
Due to incredible gas utility costs, I have kept the heat off and have= been wearing extra clothing. BUT, when in the studio, it is amazing how mu= ch heat you can produce just through
adrenalin rushes and excitement.
 
The drawback is my roommate wants to strangle me. Even more.
 
On 3/8/06, <= a href=3D"mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com">Nemoguitt@aol.com <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
my house is cold out of necessity, $, = besides i do not like being hot.....my third floor studio has no heat.....i= start out loopin with a hooded sweatshirt and a hat, i feel like gloves wo= uld not be a bad idea.....but after 30-40 mins. the hat is gone the hood is= down and i'm sweatin.....and i'm not jumpin around or anything like that..= ...how could that little motion produce that much heat?.....it's magic!....= .:)mic



www.ct-collective= .com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11

------=_Part_11119_22249997.1141854451565-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 22:02:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B45943BF14; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nGTkR0p+PUXrJpSdhQt0TuiFizqoUsEL2lmsKIQeJU/q1N7L0GjYuiEd7seDi1dge4+zjRTVQWWaYxCOSmGpQ2L7WNEbILWN+6K4uk93mfQZJkvKtciWj4Gur+RbD3LNOuX7b8ONUzlAWTkTz58BYCHLzSb9g4iVZkQe9/3/S5I= Message-ID: <26ba8d120603081402s707245f4mf21db055520afe64@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:02:56 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cancelled: march 11 open loop In-Reply-To: <20060308203808.1478.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120603081046j5ea1723ke5688f0fd8e9905b@mail.gmail.com> <20060308203808.1478.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6oauJD.A.-0C.RS1DEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Key places to go http://ax.to (my mailing list) http://nonsensenyc.com (Jeff Stark's list.... you need to subscribe however to get his weekly email). Drop us a line and tell us where you're at! There's a KILLER party on Sat. nite -- it's a little far out in Bushwick but it goes till dawn with decent music and amazing art... $10 to get in and cheap drinx too... it'll be on my list. On 3/8/06, Tim Nelson wrote: > Bummer; I'll be in NYC from Friday until Wednesday and > could have made it to this one. > > Does anyone know of any loop-related events going on > in NYC in the coming week? > > -t- > > --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > I should have sent this before -- but the March 11 > > open loop was > > cancelled because the bar where we were holding it > > closed. grrr. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 22:15:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C18C3BF07; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <088601c642fd$c2a35140$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: UPDATE: Boise Experimental Music Festival / Dominated by Loopers? Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:15:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0881_01C642C3.14E51050" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 493, in=232899, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:15:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0881_01C642C3.14E51050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm forwarding you my latest update on the Boise Experimental Music = Festival (BEMF), which I'm proud to say is TOTALLY dominated by loopers! = Yeahhh!!!! 7 out of 12 acts are looping. So, this is really a clever = way me to launch yet another looper's festival in the NW of the USA. :) = This event is really taking off...with seven major sponsors who have = contributed either services or cold cash to support the event, a major = 3/4 page ad on our local new paper, a giant venue (avant-garde art = gallery, with a graphics arts installment on display) with a huge raised = stage, lights, theater style seating, etc, ticket sales through our = largest ticket sales venue, a local internet radio station streaming the = whole thing to the web, for all of you to listen in, experimental = film/videos and graphics art slideshows running during intermissions and = during performances, a live performance art act, and an experimental = music demonstration from an ensemble at our local university, and so on. = Kris ***************************** Hello all - This is a sneak preview to my personal and professional email = distribution list on the planning of the Boise Experimental Music = Festival (BEMF). The next major communication will be the event's = official press release in April. I will be working with the Visual Arts = Collective to craft this press release and get it out to the media.=20 The bulk of the planning for the festival is now complete, which = includes the following: Date: April 28-29 Venue: The Visual Arts Collective art gallery (located in Boise's Linen = District) - http://www.visualartscollective.com/ Event Description:=20 The Boise Experimental Music Festival (BEMF) is a first-of-its-kind = event for Boise and the surrounding Treasure Valley. This program = features twelve creative music performances that fall into the = experimental, avant-garde, or free improvisation music genres. The = festival will provide a new and exciting experience to Boise's music and = art enthusiasts by bringing together a unique community of musicians and = artists, integrating music performance with short experimental film and = video, graphics art, and performance art. The Boise Experimental Music = Festival will be held at the Visual Arts Collective gallery, Boise's = premiere venue for unique art forms that push the boundaries of = imagination.=20 Festival Website: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental (includes = artist biographies, current schedule, venue information, genre sound = samples, etc) Sponsors: =B7 Visual Arts Collective - = http://www.visualartscollective.com/ =B7 The Boise Weekly - http://www.boiseweekly.com =B7 AudioLab Sound Recording - http://www.audiolab.org/ =B7 The Boise Co-Op - http://www.boisecoop.com/ =B7 3 Shapes Aikido - http://www.3shapesaikido.com/ =B7 Boise Community Radio - http://www.radioboise.org/ =B7 Good Boy Rufus Custom Design Services - = http://www.goodboyrufus.com/ Ticket Sales Ticket sales will be through Select-a-Seat (exact ticket price to be = announced), but also available at the door =20 Music Performers a.. Rick Walker (Headliner from Santa Cruz, CA) b.. Lumper/Splitter (Headliner from Oakland, CA) c.. Ted Killian & Jeff Kaiser (Headliners from Medford, OR and = Ventura, CA) d.. Bonefish Sam & His Power Orchestra (Headliner from Boise) e.. Krispen Hartung & Jared Hallock (Boise) f.. She Blows Neon (Alejandro Anastasio, Sensei) (Boise) g.. The Rex-X-Ray Band (George McLean & Nate Paradis) (Boise) h.. LINDA (Boise) i.. The Sly Brothers (Boise) j.. Unicorn Feather (Boise) k.. Jeff Rice & Ted Apel (Boise) l.. Gretchen Jude (Boise) Experimental Film/Video Producers (confirmed) a.. Michael Peters (Germany)=20 b.. Nico Spahni (Switzerland)=20 c.. Tarey P. (Boise)=20 d.. Krispen Hartung (Boise) e.. Thad Povey (USA) Performance Art / Visual Art a.. Boise Naval Base (Boise) ************************************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 ------=_NextPart_000_0881_01C642C3.14E51050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm forwarding you my latest update on = the Boise=20 Experimental Music Festival (BEMF), which I'm proud to say is TOTALLY = dominated=20 by loopers! Yeahhh!!!!  7 out of 12 acts are looping. So, this is = really a=20 clever way me to launch yet another looper's festival in the NW of the = USA.=20 :)  This event is really taking off...with seven major sponsors who = have=20 contributed either services or cold cash to support the event, a major = 3/4 page=20 ad on our local new paper, a giant venue (avant-garde art gallery, with = a=20 graphics arts installment on display) with a huge raised = stage,=20 lights, theater style seating, etc, ticket sales through our largest = ticket=20 sales venue, a local internet radio station streaming the whole thing to = the=20 web, for all of you to listen in, experimental film/videos and = graphics art=20 slideshows running during intermissions and during performances, a = live=20 performance art act, and an experimental music demonstration from an = ensemble at=20 our local university, and so on. 
 
Kris
 
*****************************

Hello all -
 
This is a sneak = preview to my=20 personal and professional email distribution list on the planning of the = Boise Experimental Music Festival (BEMF). The next = major=20 communication will be the event's official press release=20 in April. I will be working with the Visual Arts Collective to = craft this=20 press release and get it out to the media.
 
The bulk of the planning for the = festival is now=20 complete, which includes the following:
 
Date: April=20 28-29
Venue: The=20 Visual Arts Collective art gallery (located in Boise's Linen District) - = http://www.visualartscollective.com/
Event = Description:=20

The Boise Experimental Music = Festival=20 (BEMF) is a first-of-its-kind event for Boise and=20 the surrounding Treasure Valley. This program features = twelve=20 creative music performances that fall into the experimental, = avant-garde, or=20 free improvisation music genres.  The festival will provide a new = and=20 exciting experience to Boise=92s music and art enthusiasts = by bringing=20 together a unique community of musicians and artists, integrating music=20 performance with short experimental film and video, graphics art, and=20 performance art. The Boise Experimental Music Festival will be held at = the=20 Visual Arts Collective gallery, Boise=92s premiere venue for unique = art forms=20 that push the boundaries of imagination. =

Festival = Website:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental (includes artist = biographies,=20 current schedule, venue information, genre sound samples,=20 etc)
Sponsors:

=B7        =20 Visual=20 Arts Collective =96 http://www.visualartscollective.com/

=B7         The=20 Boise Weekly - http://www.boiseweekly.com=

=B7        =20 AudioLab=20 Sound Recording - http://www.audiolab.org/

=B7        =20 The=20 Boise Co-Op -=20 http://www.boisecoop.com/

=B7        =20 3=20 Shapes Aikido =20 - http://www.3shapesaikido.com/

=B7        =20 Boise=20 Community Radio - http://www.radioboise.org/

=B7        =20 Good=20 Boy Rufus Custom Design Services - http://www.goodboyrufus.com/

 
Ticket = Sales
 
Ticket sales will be through Select-a-Seat = (exact ticket=20 price to be announced), but also available at the = door =20
 
Music = Performers
  • Rick Walker (Headliner = from Santa Cruz, CA)
  • Lumper/Splitter (Headliner = from=20 Oakland, CA)
  • Ted Killian & Jeff = Kaiser=20 (Headliners from Medford, OR and Ventura, CA)
  • Bonefish Sam & His = Power Orchestra=20 (Headliner from Boise)
  • Krispen Hartung & = Jared Hallock=20 (Boise)
  • She Blows Neon (Alejandro = Anastasio,=20 Sensei) (Boise)
  • The Rex-X-Ray Band (George = McLean=20 & Nate Paradis) (Boise)
  • LINDA = (Boise)
  • The Sly Brothers=20 (Boise)
  • Unicorn Feather=20 (Boise)
  • Jeff Rice & Ted Apel=20 (Boise)
  • Gretchen Jude=20 (Boise)
Experimental Film/Video = Producers=20 (confirmed)
  • Michael Peters (Germany)=20
  • Nico Spahni (Switzerland)=20
  • Tarey P. (Boise)=20
  • Krispen Hartung (Boise)
  • Thad Povey (USA)
Performance Art / Visual=20 Art
  • Boise Naval Base = (Boise)
 
*************************************************
Krispen=20 Hartung
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------=_NextPart_000_0881_01C642C3.14E51050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 22:23:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E76473BF17; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hamdBmeHZNM5KbVfdeFvB7OD2ZJr45IjRW3NSQZ42nnw5LMJxVHYpP72qk6xx9u2jEELK6NxsltXjzVFvw1Vw8c2zf9/f8N6chEBiT8eok+95K/q41ctsWQyzocY4EGwYTrVpaHkuh4cu7U+W2h8MzOV4z8UnmPuCAxcN7J/6og= Message-ID: <7b6c0ce70603081423u4d04c3a3ldb773007880fdeb1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:23:22 -0500 From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping event in nyc on march 11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:23:23 +0000 (UTC) hey there tim - i'm doing a looping concert with videos in brooklyn on sat. march 11, 8pm = =3D go to grandspace.com for details - would be great to see you there - the videos are really interesting, 2 45-minute abstract videos created by an artist named david finkelstein - i'll be looping with an edp, breath controlled synth and vocals and david will be playing piano with me for the second video - cheers, steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 22:53:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56D9D3BF07; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b601c64303$19dacb50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:53:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:53:16 +0000 (UTC) You guys are so mean. I really like Yawny. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 23:13:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA3983BEFA; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <440F6513.2000101@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:13:23 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend References: <01b601c64303$19dacb50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <01b601c64303$19dacb50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Let's hope he likes you, too Rick. Or we might read about stitches in yer head :D loop.pool wrote: > You guys are so mean. > > I really like Yawny. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 23:33:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E85E3BEFA; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <440F69C4.5090701@biink.com> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:33:24 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend References: <01b601c64303$19dacb50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <440F6513.2000101@pdq.net> In-Reply-To: <440F6513.2000101@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:33:29 +0000 (UTC) http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0307061yanni1.html -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 23:34:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1E1A3BF0F; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:36:35 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: UPDATE: Boise Experimental Music Festival / Dominated by Loopers? In-reply-to: <088601c642fd$c2a35140$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002401c64309$23b37d10$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Kudos to you, Kris. I really admire your enery and industry. Well done. Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 23:37:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B279D3BF05; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rCbEfFOO55wRJJF2x5C8qBtkxUsIX7dM7SeNAMfMLcTe+xOI1Lg2q3pEHFtW2ZeCtJsKN96aKJ2Sg1HBul+c3E/aaFgLPAMavlIbV869Mt4i76nkvZw81ENObXFe5ARVbU1DNEbGx1nrT3kapddDrjCwkNQiMaLTaUmrNgkuwJM= ; Message-ID: <20060308233712.39107.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:37:12 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Hardware Sequencer Suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <440F2493.8020004@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:37:14 +0000 (UTC) I'm a BIG fan of the E-MU Command Stations. Sadly they're discontinued, but still available on ebay. I think they're one of the only hardware sequencers on the market with velocity and aftertouch on the pads. For bonus they throw in a (crappy) ribbon controller! Also, has built in sound ROM so less to drag around. Multiple outputs mean you can route drums to one set of stereo outs and sounds to feed a looper into the second. --- Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Hi Rick. I'd definitely recommend the Yamaha rm1x. > It's definitely a fun > sequencer. > a. > > rick wrote: > > I'm looking for some advice to replace my laptop > setup with a hardware > > sequencer if possible. > > > > The "basics" of my looping is done with acoustic > guitars and echoplex, > > along with various sound modules for bass, drums, > keys fed by the > > computer which contains a large amount of short > midi clips I call > > up or shut off through a midi foot controller. > > > > So basically I'm looking for a sequencer to store > and call up midi loops > > at will, through a foot controller. Sounds aren't > important due to my > > sound modules. It's more about live performance > control being able to > > turn on and off or switch loops or multiple loops, > etc. > > > > Last 2 I checked out were an MPC1000 and a Yamaha > QY100 which both were > > close but had limitations to them. Before I read > another manual I > > thought I'd ask here. > > > > Thanks ---> rick :O) > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 23:43:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7EB73BEF8; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:43:05 -0500 Subject: Echoplex up on ebay - AndreLaFosse autographed version - link From: todd reynolds To: LD Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Echoplex up on ebay - AndreLaFosse autographed version - link Thread-Index: AcZDCguZSguLW679EdqYiQAKldLXPg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3224688189_10819658" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:43:09 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3224688189_10819658 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone...=20 Just wanted to let you know a friend of mine has stuck his edp up on ebay..= . Bid away... This guy keeps his gear pristine, like, really pristine, and this piece was used at Andre=B9s Monkey surround show in New York. He=B9s not an LD member, and I wanted y=B9all to have first crack in case anyon= e needs one...=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D7396766967&indexURL=3D1#eb= a yphotohosting All best, Todd ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --B_3224688189_10819658 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Echoplex up on ebay - AndreLaFosse autographed version - link</TITLE= > </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Palatino"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:14.0px'>Hi everyone... <BR> <BR> Just wanted to let you know a friend of mine has stuck his edp up on ebay..= .<BR> <BR> Bid away... This guy keeps his gear pristine, like, really pristine, and th= is piece was used at Andre’s Monkey surround show in New York.  <= BR> <BR> He’s not an LD member, and I wanted y’all to have first crack i= n case anyone needs one... <BR> <BR> <a href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D7396766967&inde= xURL=3D1#ebayphotohosting">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&i= tem=3D7396766967&indexURL=3D1#ebayphotohosting</a><BR> <BR> All best,<BR> <BR> Todd<BR> <BR> <BR> </SPAN><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'>----------------------= -----------------------------------------------------------<BR> “Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter<BR= > <BR> “Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to th= e creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman<BR> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- <BR> Todd Reynolds<BR> 42-09 47th Ave 1C<BR> Sunnyside, NY  11104<BR>  <BR> Ph.    718 392-3773<BR> Mob.   917 576-6166<BR> Fax    419 781-5502<BR>  <BR> <a href=3D"http://www.toddreynolds.com">http://www.toddreynolds.com</a><BR> <BR> <BR> todd@toddreynolds.com<BR> 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less)<BR> AIM ID: toddreyn<BR> </SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:18.0px'><BR> </SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:14.0px'><BR> </SPAN></FONT> </BODY> </HTML> --B_3224688189_10819658-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 23:44:07 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FE0F3BF1B; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rTpico/prk6npfvtksBmwGLqGPHBYBFDENL4C+g4h62BYAkW1R/YUsmBUnfHNfm8AjbUi65ZWP5onEcPGUgVJXF/xgHJ+ALhi4s6VccJd6mKxXfJiauoYpkpe8H8oT6zpEZYQhjssN3clmdBrbVBs11e2JZCc9KJbv5tboAEHCs= ; Message-ID: <20060308234405.9722.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:44:05 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: echoplex differences and advice please! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <05bf01c642bf$683b95c0$4500a8c0@spawn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <mQeTGC.A.dq.Gx2DEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/58607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:44:07 +0000 (UTC) It's all relative to what you're trying to do. I think most people here woudl agree that the big 2 loopers are the EDP and the (discontinued) Repeater. While there are only a handful of units out there, the people who have them swear that the Looperlative is great. Check out the "tools" page on the LD website. Mark --- gus <gus@wellwornworkshops.com> wrote: > hi I'm new here, and I have a couple of questions > for the experienced loopers out there. > > Im preparing for live realtime looping performances > and I'm considering buying an echoplex. Is it still > the most comprehensive realtime looper out there? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 8 23:51:59 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA9D03BF1C; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <looppool@cruzio.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003e01c6430b$4e8bbdc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:52:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <PEH9gC.A.TCB.f42DEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/58608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Seriously, though, for a 'new age' musician, this is a career ender. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 00:07:20 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EE863BEFC; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 00:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <paulrichard10@adelphia.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005901c6430d$6c25a4c0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" <paulrichard10@adelphia.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <003e01c6430b$4e8bbdc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:07:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <b18uiB.A.f-B.4G3DEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/58609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 00:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Well, he can always sell his 6.6 million dollar pad in Florida. ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend > Seriously, though, for a 'new age' musician, this is a career ender. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 00:25:58 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E433E3BF00; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 00:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <billwalker@baymoon.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: <billwalker@baymoon.com> From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:25:55 -0800 Message-ID: <OPEGKDJIMPJBOGCKEPDGCEMLCLAA.billwalker@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01b601c64303$19dacb50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <8Nh1XD.A.32C.VY3DEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/58610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 00:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Whaddaya get when you play New Age Music backwards???? New Age Music...... Hey there are probably those people who think I sound like New Age Music!! I prefer New Wage Music.... ;) Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 01:10:45 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3EFA3BF06; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 01:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <ransacker@earthlink.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <11262722.1141856701919.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:25:01 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell <ransacker@earthlink.net> Reply-To: Todd Howell <ransacker@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: UPDATE: Boise Experimental Music Festival / Dominated by Loopers? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <4yS-l.A.FVG.VC4DEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/58611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 01:10:45 +0000 (UTC) <HEAD> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1498" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>Bravo Kris! This sounds like a bold thing to do anywhere. I never thin= k of Boise as being a hub of experimental music, but oftentimes the greates= t treasures artistically, are in unexpected places. Innovations ain't = just for the coasts! Props to you for putting your heart where your art is!= Tell us how it goes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Todd<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Kris Hartung <KHA= RTUNG@CABLEONE.NET><BR>Sent: Mar 8, 2006 3:15 PM <BR>To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com <BR>Subject: UPDATE: Boise Experimental Music Festival / = Dominated by Loopers? <BR><BR></DIV><ZZZHTML xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microso= ft-com:office:office" xmlns:st1=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smartta= gs"><ZZZHEAD><ZZZMETA content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" http-equi= v=3D"Content-Type"><ZZZMETA name=3D"GENERATOR" content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.= 2802"> <STYLE></STYLE> </ZZZHEAD><ZZZBODY bgColor=3D"#ffffff"> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm forwarding you my latest update on the= Boise Experimental Music Festival (BEMF), which I'm proud to say is TOTALL= Y dominated by loopers! Yeahhh!!!!  7 out of 12 acts are looping. So, = this is really a clever way me to launch yet another looper's festival in t= he NW of the USA. :)  This event is really taking off...with seven maj= or sponsors who have contributed either services or cold cash to support th= e event, a major 3/4 page ad on our local new paper, a giant venue (avant-g= arde art gallery, with a graphics arts installment on display) wi= th a huge raised stage, lights, theater style seating, etc, ticket sales th= rough our largest ticket sales venue, a local internet radio station stream= ing the whole thing to the web, for all of you to listen in, experimental&n= bsp;film/videos and graphics art slideshows running during intermissio= ns and during performances, a live performance art act, and an experimental= music demonstration from an ensemble at our local university, and so on.&n= bsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kris</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*****************************</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all -</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is a sneak preview to = my personal and professional email distribution list on the planning of the= <STRONG>Boise Experimental Music Festival</STRONG> (BEMF). The next m= ajor communication will be the event's official press release in&= nbsp;April. I will be working with the Visual Arts Collective to craft this= press release and get it out to the media. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The bulk of the planning for the festival = is now complete, which includes the following:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D+0><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG>Date:</STRON= G> April 28-29</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D+0><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>Venue:</STRO= NG> The Visual Arts Collective art gallery (located in Boise's Linen Distri= ct) - </FONT><A href=3D"http://www.visualartscollective.com/"><SPAN style= =3D"mso-ansi-font-size: 9.0pt"><FONT color=3D#606420 size=3D2>http://www.vi= sualartscollective.com/</FONT></SPAN></A></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D+0><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Event Descri= ption: </FONT></STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMI= LY: Arial"><FONT size=3D2>The Boise Experimental Music Festival (BEMF) is a= first-of-its-kind event for <?xml:namespace prefix =3D st1 /><st1:City w:s= t=3D"on">Boise</st1:City> and the surrounding <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:P= laceName w:st=3D"on">Treasure</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st=3D"on">Va= lley</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>. This program features twelve creative mus= ic performances that fall into the experimental, avant-garde, or free impro= visation music genres. <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The f= estival will provide a new and exciting experience to <st1:City w:st=3D"on"= ><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Boise</st1:place></st1:City>’s music and art e= nthusiasts by bringing together a unique community of musicians and artists= , integrating music performance with short experimental film and video, gra= phics art, and performance art. The Boise Experimental Music Festival will = be held at the Visual Arts Collective gallery, <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:p= lace w:st=3D"on">Boise</st1:place></st1:City>’s premiere venue for uni= que art forms that push the boundaries of imagination. <?xml:namespace pref= ix =3D o /><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P><FONT size=3D2><o:p></o:p></FONT></= SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG>Festival Website:</STRONG> <= /FONT></FONT><A href=3D"http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental"><FONT f= ace=3DArial size=3D2>http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental</FONT></A><= FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG> </STRONG>(includes artist bi= ographies, current schedule, venue information, genre sound samples, etc)</= FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Sponsors:</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <P class=3DMsoListBullet style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; mso-list: l1 l= evel1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .3in"><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN s= tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbo= l; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><SPAN style= =3D"mso-list: Ignore">=B7<SPAN style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> =         </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style= =3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: EN-U= S">Visual Arts Collective – <A href=3D"http://www.visualartscollective= .com/"><SPAN style=3D"mso-ansi-font-size: 9.0pt"><FONT color=3D#606420>http= ://www.visualartscollective.com/</FONT></SPAN></A></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoListBullet style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; mso-list: l1 l= evel1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .3in"><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN s= tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: = EN-US"><o:p><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast= -font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-language: E= N-US"><SPAN style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=B7<SPAN style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times N= ew Roman'">        <FONT face=3DAri= al> <SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast= -language: EN-US">The Boise Weekly - <A href=3D"http://www.boiseweekly.com"= >http://www.boiseweekly.com</A></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></o:p></S= PAN></FONT></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoListBullet style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; mso-list: l1 l= evel1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .3in"><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN s= tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbo= l; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><SPAN style= =3D"mso-list: Ignore">=B7<SPAN style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> =         </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style= =3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: EN-U= S">AudioLab Sound Recording - </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bid= i-font-family: Arial"><A href=3D"http://www.audiolab.org/"><SPAN style=3D"m= so-ansi-font-size: 9.0pt"><FONT color=3D#606420>http://www.audiolab.org/</F= ONT></SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; 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(Boise)</FONT>=20 <LI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Krispen Hartung (Boise)</FONT>=20 <LI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thad Povey (USA)</FONT></LI></UL> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Performance Art / Visual Art<= /STRONG></FONT></DIV> <UL> <LI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Boise Naval Base (Boise)</FONT></LI></UL> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>******************************************= *******<BR>Krispen Hartung<BR></FONT><A href=3D"http://www.krispenhartung.c= om"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>http://www.krispenhartung.com</FONT></A><FO= NT face=3DArial size=3D2> <BR></FONT><A href=3D"mailto:info@krispenhartung.= com"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>info@krispenhartung.com</FONT></A><FONT fa= ce=3DArial size=3D2> / 208-724-5603 </FONT></DIV></ZZZBODY></ZZZHTML></BODY= > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 01:22:52 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D91163BF17; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 01:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <calenlas@gmail.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OEQZ6VJAh1yp6f4EHk17YDjlgpMxh/gQ/KBgjfG4L1j6UN3ozN8M+EorRuRhpItfAHQQPx8sSuwpxN06NF+DN5a5bSKWsLzW3DTVGDNOwblxC66cn4fgLWXquzRT5VWMblThfnynbVBog/Z1+iEFf/6vFnmNAqP56yc9PAjXpBA= Message-ID: <64b81a780603081722m5f08cb0et6cb8e1bc2967595f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:22:50 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" <calenlas@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex differences and advice please! In-Reply-To: <20060308234405.9722.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <05bf01c642bf$683b95c0$4500a8c0@spawn> <20060308234405.9722.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <WmYb4.A.L4G.sN4DEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/58612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 01:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Didn't we just have this conversation? Talk about looping! :) Gus, check out the LD archives for the past month and you'll see a whole boatload of advice regarding the EDP, Repeater, Looperlative, Mobius, etc. Todd On 3/8/06, mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > It's all relative to what you're trying to do. I > think most people here woudl agree that the big 2 > loopers are the EDP and the (discontinued) Repeater. > While there are only a handful of units out there, the > people who have them swear that the Looperlative is > great. Check out the "tools" page on the LD website. > > Mark > > --- gus <gus@wellwornworkshops.com> wrote: > > > hi I'm new here, and I have a couple of questions > > for the experienced loopers out there. > > > > Im preparing for live realtime looping performances > > and I'm considering buying an echoplex. Is it still > > the most comprehensive realtime looper out there? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 02:44:41 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 420283BF0F; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 02:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:44:32 -0500 From: Dan Ash <Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net> Subject: re: cancelled: march 11 open loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <440F9690.4070000@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: <dwAgL.A.NtD.Ya5DEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/58613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 02:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Tom, That's too bad. Wasn't there a snowstorm the night of the last loop event in Brooklyn? That might have been a factor. Hope you're not really throwing in the trowel. 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Or we might read > about stitches in > yer head :D > > loop.pool wrote: > > > You guys are so mean. > > > > I really like Yawny. > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 10:57:16 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC7F13BF0D; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <c.voit@vtx.ch> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006f01c64368$3bcd2e00$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" <c.voit@vtx.ch> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <20060308135133.GA2912@tanawana.zoominternet.net> <440F2493.8020004@post.cybercity.dk> <20060308190106.GB3287@tanawana.zoominternet.net> Subject: Re: Hardware Sequencer Suggestions Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:57:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <hT87-.A.KgD.MoAEEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/58616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:57:16 +0000 (UTC) you can direct acces the 16 "sections" of the RM1x by small sys ex messages like f0 43 7e 00 10 7f f7 means switch to next section (quantized at bar or 8th boundary) f0 43 7e 00 04 7f f7 is switch to section 5 rm1x is very tight and can be master or slave to midiclock and send the whole start,stop continue kit if you have the right footcontroler it is excellent it even has some very workable sound sets Claude > > I'll check it out. Seems the suggestions are definately capable for what > I need. Getting control of loop changes via footswitch is the question > now. I'll read up on this one though. Thanks. > > On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 07:38:11PM +0100, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: >> Hi Rick. I'd definitely recommend the Yamaha rm1x. It's definitely a fun >> sequencer. >> a. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 11:40:32 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 659593BF17; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <billyfox@soundscapes.us> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:36:33 -0500 From: Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us> Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and the AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44101341.2070104@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <3DH0j.A.jcF.vQBEEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/58617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:40:32 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh I will play the music of IZZ and Pinnacle, two bands that will soon be in concert at the New Nersey Proghouse. I will host an extra episode of Afterglow this Friday, March 10, from 2:00 to 5:00 pm. If you can't get to a radio on Thursday mornings, perhaps this will give you a chance to hear great Progressive Rock on the radio. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll start a month-long Special Focus on E-dition electronic music magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the CD from issue #6. The Vinyl Starter will be "Live" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Records and released in 1980. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#mar Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, March 11 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also play music from IZZ's new CD and music from other bands that will soon be in concert at the New Nersey Proghouse. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EST / GMT-5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 13:30:05 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA0DB3BF1C; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <goddard.duncan@mtvne.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1141910990!29440757!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8EE4@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Hardware Sequencer Suggestions Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:29:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6437D.887638E0" Resent-Message-ID: <FJkBGD.A.CrB.c3CEEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/58618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:30:04 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6437D.887638E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I'm a BIG fan of the E-MU Command Stations.<< I have some issues with the XL-7 I just bought. there are some edit commands that, when performed, cause the thing to stop. thus, it is not as useful as it could've been as a live sequencer. for instance- & this is the one that bothers me the most- you might want to transpose a track relative to the other tracks you have running. entering the pattern edit menu allows you to select a transpose page, but this requires you to select the track you wish to perform the transpose on. which in turn means deselecting one or more of the "live" tracks, since the same 16 buttons that control which tracks are playing also control which are acted upon by your choice of modifier. an obvious bug that they never dealt with. so you end up with everything muted except the track you wanted to transpose..... even if you could live with that for half a bar or so, the next thing that happens is that you press enter & the machine stops abruptly, having executed the operation. also, running the sequencer in pattern /or/ song mode from an external clock is unpredictable. the clocking itself is fine, but the sequencer picks up song-pointers or something erroneously, & often starts a bar-&-a-half into a pattern. I would make it the master clock (it has, like my korg ES-1, a tap-tempo button) but for the edit problems above. I can live with stopping my sequencer by accident once or twice a set, but if I make it the master, I would also be stopping or disturbing a maq 16/3, a jam-man, a repeater, two echo-pros...... I don't know whether it's possible to select tracks by midi controller. I hope to establish this shortly, because at the moment I'm having to take my paws off my kahler-equipped precision bass to mute/unmute stuff. I could program the changes instead (in song mode) but we want to be more spontaneous than that, obviously. I made the switch to the XL-7 precisely because it could do all this stuff (controller knobs, pattern & song modes, built-in proteus module- I make flash rams of my own sounds) but now I'm wondering if I wasn't better off with my sequentix p3, even though it's still a bit arse when it comes to programming long chord sequences. that's the biggest issue I have with it, despite the designer's best attempts to interpret & realise my wishes. I'd also like the emu a lot more if you could run tracks of different lengths (but exact multiples/submultiples of each other) in one pattern. so I could have a chord sequence over, say, 16 bars, with a bassline of one bar running alongside it. this would make it easier to make live changes to the bass line while the chords do their thing. I can do this on the p3 quite easily, & the loops don't have to be mathematically-related either. one day someone will get this stuff right in a hardware box. until then, we have to struggle along..... sigh. 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>>I'm a BIG fan of the E-MU Command Stations.<&l= t;

I have some issues with the XL-7 I just bought. there are= some edit commands that, when performed, cause the thing to stop. thus, it= is not as useful as it could've been as a live sequencer.

for instance- & this is the one that bothers me the m= ost- you might want to transpose a track relative to the other tracks you h= ave running. entering the pattern edit menu allows you to select a transpos= e page, but this requires you to select the track you wish to perform the t= ranspose on.

which in turn means deselecting one or more of the "= live" tracks, since the same 16 buttons that control which tracks are = playing also control which are acted upon by your choice of modifier. an ob= vious bug that they never dealt with. so you end up with everything muted e= xcept the track you wanted to transpose..... even if you could live with th= at for half a bar or so, the next thing that happens is that you press ente= r & the machine stops abruptly, having executed the operation.

also, running the sequencer in pattern /or/ song mode fro= m an external clock is unpredictable. the clocking itself is fine, but the = sequencer picks up song-pointers or something erroneously, & often star= ts a bar-&-a-half into a pattern. I would make it the master clock (it = has, like my korg ES-1, a tap-tempo button) but for the edit problems above= . I can live with stopping my sequencer by accident once or twice a set, bu= t if I make it the master, I would also be stopping or disturbing a maq 16/= 3, a jam-man, a repeater, two echo-pros......

I don't know whether it's possible to select tracks by mi= di controller. I hope to establish this shortly, because at the moment I'm = having to take my paws off my kahler-equipped precision bass to mute/unmute= stuff. I could program the changes instead (in song mode) but we want to b= e more spontaneous than that, obviously.

I made the switch to the XL-7 precisely because it could = do all this stuff (controller knobs, pattern & song modes, built-in pro= teus module- I make flash rams of my own sounds) but now I'm wondering if I= wasn't better off with my sequentix p3, even though it's still a bit arse = when it comes to programming long chord sequences. that's the biggest issue= I have with it, despite the designer's best attempts to interpret & re= alise my wishes.

I'd also like the emu a lot more if you could run tracks = of different lengths (but exact multiples/submultiples of each other) in on= e pattern. so I could have a chord sequence over, say, 16 bars, with a bass= line of one bar running alongside it. this would make it easier to make liv= e changes to the bass line while the chords do their thing. I can do this o= n the p3 quite easily, & the loops don't have to be mathematically-rela= ted either.

one day someone will get this stuff right in a hardware b= ox. until then, we have to struggle along..... sigh.

I wonder if an alesis MMT8 might do what you need?

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6437D.887638E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 15:25:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6F1C3BEF8; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bZWjXJa11tFkNrdL8Idx5X9ShBBDEjGG3W4gbkg1VWLMCptnZVUvYHDdhk6L0SQmBO1Cel5u2X/z7KOZApW/pd6uCYRtm5hbRA7PTwKJ3Yr1ZkeVlNm+dPDpYAr30hVL39okX6BHK1BCS15B8tH/LlPLvWvndyVNaNkKl3AkY2A= ; Message-ID: <20060309152539.99836.qmail@web34610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:25:39 -0800 (PST) From: Dumeril Seven Subject: Re: Hardware Sequencer Suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060308221515.11E4F3BF06@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:25:42 +0000 (UTC) > Hmmmm.... > I think you would have to have all your loops running in parallel on muted > tracks, and use MIDI messages to unmute them individually. Maybe not such a > good idea. You would also have to deal with the infamous QY700 'Loop Bug'. > In Song mode - not pattern mode - it glitches when it loops. > > Nik Another option would be one of the Command Station units that we're made by Emu. They allow you to set up synced MIDI loops, and mute/umute, fade, pan, filter and transmorgrify them on the fly with a bunch of front-panel switches and knobs (its a tabletop unit). I don't know for certain if you can mute/unmute the loops via MIDI, but the MIDI implementation is pretty comprehensive so I wouldn't be surprised if you could. In addition, they have solid synth engines with excellent filters and ROM expansion for more sounds. The only hitch is that Emu no longer makes them and they can only be found on the used market. E-bay always has several. D7 Dumeril7 dumeril7@SPAMBEGONEyahoo.com Anti-spam measures in place -- remove "SPAMBEGONE" from my e-mail address if you want to use it.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 15:37:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D8A13BEEA; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000701c6438f$a9b2f5e0$10b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060309152539.99836.qmail@web34610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Music sample up at Myspace... Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:39:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Greetings all... I've finally created a MySpace music account, and have a few samples of my work posted there. I'm also linked up to the Chain Tape Collective which is a group that was founded right here among interested Loopers Delight folks. There are links to CT-Collective works as well as the Santa Cruz ICS X-Ray lodge (which hooks you up to the greater body of ICS lodges throughout the universe). Any feedback, comments, complaints would be most appreciated! Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" Biffoz on MySpace www.myspace.com/biffozz The Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ Now playing "Rough" www.cdbaby.com/biffoz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 16:55:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 897543BEF8; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:46:43 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lot of good suggestion . . . Message-ID: <20060309154643.GA25258@tanawana.zoominternet.net> References: <20060308135133.GA2912@tanawana.zoominternet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060308135133.GA2912@tanawana.zoominternet.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.60 () [Tag at 15.00] J_CHICKENPOX_33 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Alot of good suggestions to consider. Most I was familiar with and some new thoughts. Practically all these suggestions will cover my needs. BUT, seems the tricky part is control by midi foot controller. Being I own the Behringer fcb1010 model I don't know if it is capable of doing what I need it to dowith these units. Getting this end figured out is the key(and the problem for me) I think. On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 08:51:33AM -0500, rick wrote: > > I'm looking for some advice to replace my laptop setup with a hardware > sequencer if possible. > > The "basics" of my looping is done with acoustic guitars and echoplex, > along with various sound modules for bass, drums, keys fed by the > computer which contains a large amount of short midi clips I call > up or shut off through a midi foot controller. > > So basically I'm looking for a sequencer to store and call up midi loops > at will, through a foot controller. Sounds aren't important due to my > sound modules. It's more about live performance control being able to > turn on and off or switch loops or multiple loops, etc. > > Last 2 I checked out were an MPC1000 and a Yamaha QY100 which both were > close but had limitations to them. Before I read another manual I > thought I'd ask here. > > Thanks ---> rick :O) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 19:15:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEC7D3BEDE; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=giXBy5FHIXbA5SwoZKvljSDU102Q9z6bWNqh/7HKLlGOaR3DczcSVTKHrUwxt7tUbUrK6reBcygW5mZ6SKb22Y+0nAS5fFRPgLbYTKEs4Ww6jd0QosLOUkR4gBtgKQWpP0T8kFmCrigFwVnq57d/D7zYiX7ewVanZF4IaA8x/ck= Message-ID: <26ba8d120603091115t1b983095wedce17c78e3014c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:15:37 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cancelled: march 11 open loop In-Reply-To: <440F9690.4070000@Verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <440F9690.4070000@Verizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0q-i1B.A.iT.a7HEEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:15:38 +0000 (UTC) That's "towel" not "trowel"! :-D Yes, the weather was against us. But I've been doing this for a long time. I run a fairly popular events mailing list here too that I use to advertise this stuff. In previous times, I've done things like getting ads in newspapers and handing out lots and lots of fliers.=20 And yet I'd be really, really surprised if I had a show and a dozen people showed up. Considering the amount of gear I take out and the time and money it takes me to get out, there's a level of patheticness that I can't really stomach here. People just aren't so interested in going out and listening to music any more. If you have thousands of tracks from all the world's musicians on a little box the size of a cigarette package, there really isn't much incentive to go out and just listen. Sure, going out for a *show*, or to dance... logical. But not to listen. Older people are more listeners -- but a lot of them aren't interested in weird music any more. And they don't seem to come out. Younger people want either a spectacle or dance music and I can't provide that. And I'm not *such* an amazing musician that they'll just show up to admire my chops (and really, when does that happen nowadays?) /t On 3/8/06, Dan Ash wrote: > Tom, > > That's too bad. > > Wasn't there a snowstorm the night of the last loop event in Brooklyn? > That might have been a factor. > > Hope you're not really throwing in the trowel. > > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 19:21:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CC633BEE9; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FoP2rW/uWF6P7Xzy/rhcE8ZMuA5gh6NpOzapiMmNC0pUs4olQfoVj53lEyWhTK6HkS+ZriawVbjhaPXLGv36lpa42ZwYUeLAot9U+AgHWoJ4t1LwcbZ2/dqdOea1Se/rewg1S0aZtXMxbOP0vApl45SZlBdz3rOumoNfmXPUkQY= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730603091121w4fe27938x931d9b2e42f62a89@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:21:01 -0500 From: "Clint Allen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cancelled: march 11 open loop In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120603091115t1b983095wedce17c78e3014c1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9303_27589918.1141932061566" References: <440F9690.4070000@Verizon.net> <26ba8d120603091115t1b983095wedce17c78e3014c1@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:21:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9303_27589918.1141932061566 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I can't promise to do much, but hopefully I will be able to add a few individuals at these shows (myself included) in the next few months as I an= d two of my collaborators/friends relocate to the Brooklyn area... Clint Allen On 3/9/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > That's "towel" not "trowel"! :-D > > Yes, the weather was against us. But I've been doing this for a long > time. I run a fairly popular events mailing list here too that I use > to advertise this stuff. In previous times, I've done things like > getting ads in newspapers and handing out lots and lots of fliers. > And yet I'd be really, really surprised if I had a show and a dozen > people showed up. > > Considering the amount of gear I take out and the time and money it > takes me to get out, there's a level of patheticness that I can't > really stomach here. > > > People just aren't so interested in going out and listening to music > any more. If you have thousands of tracks from all the world's > musicians on a little box the size of a cigarette package, there > really isn't much incentive to go out and just listen. Sure, going > out for a *show*, or to dance... logical. But not to listen. > > Older people are more listeners -- but a lot of them aren't interested > in weird music any more. And they don't seem to come out. > > Younger people want either a spectacle or dance music and I can't > provide that. And I'm not *such* an amazing musician that they'll > just show up to admire my chops (and really, when does that happen > nowadays?) > > /t > > > On 3/8/06, Dan Ash wrote: > > Tom, > > > > That's too bad. > > > > Wasn't there a snowstorm the night of the last loop event in Brooklyn? > > That might have been a factor. > > > > Hope you're not really throwing in the trowel. > > > > Dan Ash > > White Plains, NY > > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > ------=_Part_9303_27589918.1141932061566 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I can't promise to do much, but hopefully I will be able to add a few = individuals at these shows (myself included) in the next few months as I an= d two of my collaborators/friends relocate to the Brooklyn area...
Clint Allen

 
On 3/9/06, T= om Ritchford <tom@swirly.com&g= t; wrote:
That's "towel" not &qu= ot;trowel"!  :-D

Yes, the weather was against us.&nbs= p; But I've been doing this for a long
time.  I run a fairly popular events mailing list here too th= at I use
to advertise this stuff.   In previous times, I've do= ne things like
getting ads in newspapers and handing out lots and lots o= f fliers.
And yet I'd be really, really surprised if I had a show and a = dozen
people showed up.

Considering the amount of gear I take out and = the time and money it
takes me to get out, there's a level of patheticne= ss that I can't
really stomach here.


People just aren't so in= terested in going out and listening to music
any more.  If you have thousands of tracks from all the world= 's
musicians on a little box the size of a cigarette package, there
r= eally isn't much incentive to go out and just listen.  Sure, goin= g
out for a *show*, or to dance... logical.  But not to listen= .

Older people are more listeners -- but a lot of them aren't interes= ted
in weird music any more.  And they don't seem to come out.=

Younger people want either a spectacle or dance music and I can'tprovide that.  And I'm not *such* an amazing musician that they= 'll
just show up to admire my chops (and really, when does that happen
n= owadays?)

   /t


On 3/8/06, Dan Ash <Daniel.Ash@verizon.net> wrote:> Tom,
>
> That's too bad.
>
> Wasn't there a snowstorm t= he night of the last loop event in Brooklyn?
> That might have been a= factor.
>
> Hope you're not really throwing in the trowel.
>
> Dan Ash
> White Plains, NY
>
>
>

--
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= http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar


------=_Part_9303_27589918.1141932061566-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 19:28:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F05D3BEF8; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 9 Mar 2006 19:28:24 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:28:18 -0500 Subject: RE: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060309192818.0CE2F86B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Yanni was close to the edge already, having been up arguing all night with = John Tesh and Kenny G on a coke binge. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louis Rossi" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend > Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:35:05 -0500 >=20 >=20 > or used all of his hair spray >=20 >=20 > > From: "Paul" > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > To: > > Subject: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend > > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 22:32:43 -0500 > > > > Maybe she let the "mood candles" burn out. > > > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 19:54:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB3283BEF6; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441087ED.8050507@biink.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:54:21 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend References: <20060309192818.0CE2F86B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20060309192818.0CE2F86B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:54:26 +0000 (UTC) joe rut wrote: >Yanni was close to the edge already, having been up arguing all night with John Tesh and Kenny G on a coke binge. > > "While some casual listeners might recoil at the details of Yanni's personal life, hard core fans understand all too well that this sort of thing is standard fare for the sex, drugs, and scented candles lifestyle of a new age musician. The gallons of Pinot Noir before each gig, the lines of coke snorted off a druid's ass, the underage sex slaves- Yanni doesn't just write filthy lyrics about everlasting love and natural harmony, he lives them." http://www.ridiculopathy.com/news_detail.php?id=1530 -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 20:12:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 816343BEF6; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19527136.1141935132841.JavaMail.root@web11> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:12:12 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend Cc: joe rut Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:12:19 +0000 (UTC) I thought he was up all night jamming with "Esteban". ---- joe rut wrote: > Yanni was close to the edge already, having been up arguing all night with John Tesh and Kenny G on a coke binge. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Louis Rossi" > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend > > Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:35:05 -0500 > > > > > > or used all of his hair spray > > > > > > > From: "Paul" > > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > To: > > > Subject: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend > > > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 22:32:43 -0500 > > > > > > Maybe she let the "mood candles" burn out. > > > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 20:22:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 506673BEE6; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VgcAIt/WrieiuI8Ue1zMKXQSApEIM79WkhpTG6rLRSwBS5F8LUNEKdLCmGbMqDJVcbQp+wHj2Doi46vBvdTQJEf5I9T36G9hzA6RPpL22Jtf9+1tjUeNa0hM+Nkz/2oKlDJLPwrTFA4xaOO5AnkoKKEud2odP+XK3gAezXw/ztw= ; Message-ID: <20060309202222.74270.qmail@web50509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:22:22 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Hart Subject: Echoplex / Boss Dr 880 sync problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2121815827-1141935742=:68917" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7sHHQC.A.pAD.B6IEEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:22:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-2121815827-1141935742=:68917 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am having trouble sending clocks from my Boss Dr 880 to my Echoplex. The 770 worked pretty well but I can't seem to get the 880 to work at all. I have messed with all of the Boss Dr 880 midi output settings and also the Echoplex settings. I can't seem to recieve any clocks for syncing.... arg! Does anyone know why this could be? Thanks, Adam --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --0-2121815827-1141935742=:68917 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I am having trouble sending clocks from my Boss Dr 880 to my Echoplex.  The 770 worked pretty well but I can't seem to get the 880 to work at all.
 
I have messed with all of the Boss Dr 880 midi output settings and also the Echoplex settings.  I can't seem to recieve any clocks for syncing....  arg!
 
Does anyone know why this could be?
 
Thanks,
Adam

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Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --0-2121815827-1141935742=:68917-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 21:13:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9975B3BEF5; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jfRT2LIkwkN7/Rq1XCBmqjx2gzxbn+XQDhu4aYUkm/HuTfUB5MlNfgD4cCjxTkJRaAWhXo/aTGTb3tWOxBRziu78eMLpH4NNVEtIQqzUWxfhTE1sx/l0d2s4DwouUqEoy3K6Dwwva3IoaReSS1JHC1IJRFifzkyIvi8+sBrJsqQ= Message-ID: <26ba8d120603091313i11d6bca5k9a5eca578ea3aceb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:13:14 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cancelled: march 11 open loop In-Reply-To: <2fb9e4730603091121w4fe27938x931d9b2e42f62a89@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <440F9690.4070000@Verizon.net> <26ba8d120603091115t1b983095wedce17c78e3014c1@mail.gmail.com> <2fb9e4730603091121w4fe27938x931d9b2e42f62a89@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Good move! Where in Brooklyn?! On 3/9/06, Clint Allen wrote: > > I can't promise to do much, but hopefully I will be able to add a few > individuals at these shows (myself included) in the next few months as I = and > two of my collaborators/friends relocate to the Brooklyn area... > > Clint Allen > > > > On 3/9/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > That's "towel" not "trowel"! :-D > > > > Yes, the weather was against us. But I've been doing this for a long > > time. I run a fairly popular events mailing list here too that I use > > to advertise this stuff. In previous times, I've done things like > > getting ads in newspapers and handing out lots and lots of fliers. > > And yet I'd be really, really surprised if I had a show and a dozen > > people showed up. > > > > Considering the amount of gear I take out and the time and money it > > takes me to get out, there's a level of patheticness that I can't > > really stomach here. > > > > > > People just aren't so interested in going out and listening to music > > any more. If you have thousands of tracks from all the world's > > musicians on a little box the size of a cigarette package, there > > really isn't much incentive to go out and just listen. Sure, going > > out for a *show*, or to dance... logical. But not to listen. > > > > Older people are more listeners -- but a lot of them aren't interested > > in weird music any more. And they don't seem to come out. > > > > Younger people want either a spectacle or dance music and I can't > > provide that. And I'm not *such* an amazing musician that they'll > > just show up to admire my chops (and really, when does that happen > > nowadays?) > > > > /t > > > > > > On 3/8/06, Dan Ash wrote: > > > Tom, > > > > > > That's too bad. > > > > > > Wasn't there a snowstorm the night of the last loop event in Brooklyn= ? > > > That might have been a factor. > > > > > > Hope you're not really throwing in the trowel. > > > > > > Dan Ash > > > White Plains, NY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 21:26:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C05A63BEEE; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:26:08 +0000 Message-Id: <030920062126.23387.44109D70000B603100005B5B2206998499CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: <_dywj.A.I_F.01JEEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:26:12 +0000 (UTC) I thought it was "Yoni" ! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net > I thought he was up all night jamming with "Esteban". > > > ---- joe rut wrote: > > Yanni was close to the edge already, having been up arguing all night with > John Tesh and Kenny G on a coke binge. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Louis Rossi" > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: RE: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend > > > Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:35:05 -0500 > > > > > > > > > or used all of his hair spray > > > > > > > > > > From: "Paul" > > > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend > > > > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 22:32:43 -0500 > > > > > > > > Maybe she let the "mood candles" burn out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > > > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC > =lycos10 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 21:38:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC54A3BEF8; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cancelled: march 11 open loop Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:38:32 +0000 Message-Id: <030920062138.19342.4410A058000384C000004B8E2206998499CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:38:34 +0000 (UTC) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tom Ritchford" > Older people are more listeners -- but a lot of them aren't interested > in weird music any more. And they don't seem to come out. We're interested - we just don't have the energy to go out! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 22:07:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C4183BEEE; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-33-426117013 From: Paul Sullivan Subject: NYC gig spam (looping content): LAMBIC @ the Waterfront Ale House this Saturday 3/11 from 11 pm-2 am Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:07:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ELNK-Trace: 2cf92e4390c98b9b1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d47b8d7bba2a12331365cf15925e21f5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.143.67 Resent-Message-ID: <590lZD.A.j1H.8cKEEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:07:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-33-426117013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed That's right, the celebrated improvising rock/jazz/electronic/whatever=20= band is performing at one of their favorite places, the Waterfront Ale=20= House in Brooklyn, this Saturday, March 11th, from 11pm to 2am. PLEASE=20= come out, it should be a great show at a great place with great food=20 (before 11pm) and an awesome beer lineup (Lambic is all about the=20 beer)! Also, there is NO COVER CHARGE. Much loopage: looping tools=20 include 2 boomerangs, dl-4, pds-8000. headrush...Saturday night is=20 turning out to be a night full of looping! First Steve Sandberg's=20 Brooklyn show at 8 pm, then Lambic at 11! Hope to see anyone from the=20 list there, please come up and say hi... Lambic is: Paul Sullivan--guitars and effects Stephen Moses--drums, trombone and effects The Waterfront Ale House 155 Atlantic Ave (between Henry and Clinton), Brooklyn, NY 718 522-3794 F train to Bergen St--walk 3 blocks north to Atlantic Ave, then left=20 (west) on atlantic 1 1/2 blocks OR R train to Court Street, walk south to Atlantic Avenue , take a right=20 and walk 1 1/2 blocks west. OR 2,3 4,5 train to Borough Hall, exit at Court Street, walk approx. 5=20 blocks south on Court to Atlantic ave. Take a right on Atlantic Ave and=20= walk 1 1/2 blocks west. "Lambic is a style of Belgian ale that is spontaneously fermented from=20= wild yeasts. Lambic is also a band that creates spontaneously fermented=20= music, free improvisation with a groove. It=92s joyful music that can = and=20 does go everywhere. Like it=92s namesake, Lambic is always changing and=20= evolving, sometimes messy, but always exciting. We never know where=20 it=92s going to go, and that is the point.=94 --Apple-Mail-33-426117013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 That's right, the celebrated improvising rock/jazz/electronic/whatever band is performing at one of their favorite places, the Waterfront Ale House in Brooklyn, this Saturday, March 11th, from 11pm to 2am. PLEASE come out, it should be a great show at a great place with great food (before 11pm) and an awesome beer lineup (Lambic is all about the beer)! Also, there is NO COVER CHARGE. Much loopage: looping tools include 2 boomerangs, dl-4, pds-8000. headrush...Saturday night is turning out to be a night full of looping! First Steve Sandberg's Brooklyn show at 8 pm, then Lambic at 11! Hope to see anyone from the list there, please come up and say hi... Lambic is: Paul Sullivan--guitars and effects Stephen Moses--drums, trombone and effects The Waterfront Ale House 155 Atlantic Ave (between Henry and Clinton), Brooklyn, NY 718 522-3794 F train to Bergen St--walk 3 blocks north to Atlantic Ave, then left (west) on atlantic 1 1/2 blocks OR R train to Court Street, walk south to Atlantic Avenue , take a right and walk 1 1/2 blocks west. OR 2,3 4,5 train to Borough Hall, exit at Court Street, walk approx. 5 blocks south on Court to Atlantic ave. Take a right on Atlantic Ave and walk 1 1/2 blocks west. Verdana"Lambic is a style of Belgian ale that is spontaneously fermented from wild yeasts. Lambic is also a band that creates spontaneously fermented music, free improvisation with a groove. It=92s joyful music that can and does go everywhere. Like it=92s namesake, Lambic is always changing and evolving, sometimes messy, but always exciting. We never know where it=92s going to go, and that is the point.=94 = --Apple-Mail-33-426117013-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 22:46:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C43C73BEFB; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:46:33 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: cancelled: march 11 open loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4410B049.3010905@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=------------030204070607060309010308 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:46:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030204070607060309010308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hope you're not really throwing in the trowel. >> That's "towel" not "trowel"! That depends on who's digging it and who's throwin' it. Dan Ash White Plains, NY --------------030204070607060309010308 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------010800050803030201050701" --------------010800050803030201050701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
> Hope you're not really throwing in the trowel.

>> That's "towel" not "trowel"!  :-D

That depends on who's digging it and who's throwin' it.

Dan Ash
White Plains, NY
--------------010800050803030201050701 Content-Type: image/gif; name="laughing_n.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: Content-Disposition: inline; filename="laughing_n.gif" R0lGODlhEwATAKIAAP//AMzMADMzAMzMM////wAAAP///wAAACH5BAEAAAYALAAAAAATABMA AANYaLrVXiuyEoC1oUlFr8dQVHykFRrdc6kZBwiDNYxFDAwCAHVlmY29XsMUJOqAjlLyaCIQ Hg4nEumsWqWm1HU7alG3WB2nogMDW+MsdCXh+U4iNwi+gWokCQA7 --------------010800050803030201050701-- --------------030204070607060309010308-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 23:13:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E392A3BEFF; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 23:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [144.135.6.24] X-Originating-Email: [kolosoro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kolosoro@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4410B049.3010905@Verizon.net> From: "Bob Kolo" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:13:23 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2006 23:13:24.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[10E34960:01C643CF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 23:13:26 +0000 (UTC) >From: Dan Ash UNSUBSCRIBE _________________________________________________________________ careerone.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fadsfac%2Enet%2Flink%2Easp%3Fcc%3DNWS014%2E19163%2E0%26clk%3D1%26creativeID%3D28927&_t=752722611&_m=EXT From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 23:15:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31A383BF0A; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 23:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4410B724.1080109@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:15:48 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT References: <00070403-AB24-11DA-9380-000A95A5D158@peak.org> In-Reply-To: <00070403-AB24-11DA-9380-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 23:15:57 +0000 (UTC) David Trenkel wrote: > New Wave Jazz, I like that, we'll have to use it in the future. We like > to call it Rough Jazz, the anti-smooth jazz. Rough Jazz sounds much more interesting if you didn't listen to it yet, and I think it fits better than New Wave Jazz. Just my 2 eurocents...;-) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 9 23:27:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81D6C3BEFF; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 23:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:27:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcZDzw4Sz1As3p3/TE6cInsZr9SJfAAAe09A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20060309232559.FZSU20875.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <4s1ywB.A.W_C.pnLEEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 23:27:37 +0000 (UTC) >From the original text by Claude Voit DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE OR YOUR COMPUTER WILL SHOW YOU VERY UNPOLITE MESSAGES FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD 1- go to your browser preferences and set you Email client to send plain text (NO HTML) with No signature file 2- click next line link mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 3- delete your signature, etc... make your message blank 4- double click (highlight) the sacred word on next line SACRED WORD--> unsubscribe <--SACRED WORD then copy (ctrl+C) 5- place cursor in Subject of the message Paste (ctrl+V) 6- place cursor in Body of the message Paste (ctrl+V) 7- click send Bye bye Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 10 00:46:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BDB33BF01; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2322.128.193.37.212.1141951605.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <4410B724.1080109@addcom.de> References: <00070403-AB24-11DA-9380-000A95A5D158@peak.org> <4410B724.1080109@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:46:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:46:47 +0000 (UTC) > David Trenkel wrote: >> New Wave Jazz, I like that, we'll have to use it in the future. We like >> to call it Rough Jazz, the anti-smooth jazz. > > Rough Jazz sounds much more interesting if you didn't listen to it yet, > and I think it fits better than New Wave Jazz. > I prefer Hard Jazz; that is, if it's not already taken. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 10 01:06:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CD083BF07; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1196.70.57.22.108.1141952773.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <2322.128.193.37.212.1141951605.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <00070403-AB24-11DA-9380-000A95A5D158@peak.org> <4410B724.1080109@addcom.de> <2322.128.193.37.212.1141951605.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:06:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Gig Spam: CO, ID, UT From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:06:16 +0000 (UTC) >> David Trenkel wrote: >>> New Wave Jazz, I like that, we'll have to use it in the future. We like >>> to call it Rough Jazz, the anti-smooth jazz. >> >> Rough Jazz sounds much more interesting if you didn't listen to it yet, >> and I think it fits better than New Wave Jazz. >> > > I prefer Hard Jazz; that is, if it's not already taken. > We've had them all applied to the band so far, Nu-Jazz, JazzTronica (a personal (non)favorite :-), Acid Jazz (we prefer Antacid Jazz), ultimately, it comes down to people's need to categorize, I don't what they call it as long as they're still calling :-) Anyone who was planning on coming to the Denver gig tonight, sorry, we're stuck in Craig Colorado in a blizzard with roads closed and no chance of getting there tonight. Bummer.We've been driving 3 days already and no gigs yet, so we are itching to play. We will pretty certainly make it to Keystone tomorrow, and the rest of the tour should be good. And we'll be close by in Boulder next week. You can catch our full tour schedule at http://www.eleveneyes.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 10 05:24:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 029363BEFF; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=C+0QBHQG8Ky92RCJBOzJQAsv9QzXZyGnenqAq1nZBPMeKF7vFZs6htw6gxAxGvKAxcyusPJF5wN9C2f/o680nJfeoVaLLa/ZUyxD8DQOVj9f76+MFq7dFzvohCPbJC2D5EL6VkhiJ8IWcyo1eGZQMjJ6DPuNCMhqBTik7KJWFfQ= ; Message-ID: <20060310052437.66837.qmail@web34815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:24:37 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: Yanni arrested for beating the shit out of his girlfriend To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <030920062126.23387.44109D70000B603100005B5B2206998499CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:24:38 +0000 (UTC) She probably brought home the MST3K episode of MITCHELL. "Yanni, isn't that your ex under the sheets with Joe Don Baker? And why are those robots laughing?" THWAPPPPPP! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 10 11:36:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 035B73BEFC; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XDMdY86nRCxGixwa/dUQkxpBAD9NOxK28ddxsbascjCGTPXUJH/mlyG1ORFISvLUGGVLSuNTUsnhBMB8zQBoP2raykPOdZhvaIYusRVAe91s1OXq1FKGzLMxIgRNo37TrpjXixxtD2VwYLU6RD7lCZPBJtrz+KeqBtaF4e+XmnI= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730603100336h24036b22t1c0f602cb957b50a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 06:36:14 -0500 From: "Clint Allen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cancelled: march 11 open loop In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120603091313i11d6bca5k9a5eca578ea3aceb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17258_2242586.1141990574560" References: <440F9690.4070000@Verizon.net> <26ba8d120603091115t1b983095wedce17c78e3014c1@mail.gmail.com> <2fb9e4730603091121w4fe27938x931d9b2e42f62a89@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120603091313i11d6bca5k9a5eca578ea3aceb@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:36:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17258_2242586.1141990574560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Its looking more and more like Williamsburg at this point. and any helpful info offline is greatly, greatly appreciated!!! Clint On 3/9/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > Good move! Where in Brooklyn?! > > On 3/9/06, Clint Allen wrote: > > > > I can't promise to do much, but hopefully I will be able to add a few > > individuals at these shows (myself included) in the next few months as = I > and > > two of my collaborators/friends relocate to the Brooklyn area... > > > > Clint Allen > > > > > > > > On 3/9/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > That's "towel" not "trowel"! :-D > > > > > > Yes, the weather was against us. But I've been doing this for a long > > > time. I run a fairly popular events mailing list here too that I use > > > to advertise this stuff. In previous times, I've done things like > > > getting ads in newspapers and handing out lots and lots of fliers. > > > And yet I'd be really, really surprised if I had a show and a dozen > > > people showed up. > > > > > > Considering the amount of gear I take out and the time and money it > > > takes me to get out, there's a level of patheticness that I can't > > > really stomach here. > > > > > > > > > People just aren't so interested in going out and listening to music > > > any more. If you have thousands of tracks from all the world's > > > musicians on a little box the size of a cigarette package, there > > > really isn't much incentive to go out and just listen. Sure, going > > > out for a *show*, or to dance... logical. But not to listen. > > > > > > Older people are more listeners -- but a lot of them aren't intereste= d > > > in weird music any more. And they don't seem to come out. > > > > > > Younger people want either a spectacle or dance music and I can't > > > provide that. And I'm not *such* an amazing musician that they'll > > > just show up to admire my chops (and really, when does that happen > > > nowadays?) > > > > > > /t > > > > > > > > > On 3/8/06, Dan Ash wrote: > > > > Tom, > > > > > > > > That's too bad. > > > > > > > > Wasn't there a snowstorm the night of the last loop event in > Brooklyn? > > > > That might have been a factor. > > > > > > > > Hope you're not really throwing in the trowel. > > > > > > > > Dan Ash > > > > White Plains, NY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > /t > > > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > ------=_Part_17258_2242586.1141990574560 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Its looking more and more like Williamsburg at this point.

and any helpful info offline is greatly, greatly appreciated!!!

Clint

On 3/9/06, Tom Ritchford <tom@swi= rly.com> wrote:
Good move!  Where in Brooklyn?!

On 3/9/06, Clint Allen <= ;clint.allen@gmail.com> wro= te:
>
> I can't promise to do much, but hopefully I will be abl= e to add a few
> individuals at these shows (myself included) in the next few month= s as I and
> two of my collaborators/friends relocate to the Brooklyn= area...
>
> Clint Allen
>
>
>
> On 3/9= /06, Tom Ritchford < tom@swirly.com> wrote:
> >= ; That's "towel" not "trowel"!  :-D
> &= gt;
> > Yes, the weather was against us.  But I've been = doing this for a long
> > time.  I run a fairly popular events mailing list h= ere too that I use
> > to advertise this stuff.   In pre= vious times, I've done things like
> > getting ads in newspapers a= nd handing out lots and lots of fliers.
> > And yet I'd be really, really surprised if I had a show and a= dozen
> > people showed up.
> >
> > Considering= the amount of gear I take out and the time and money it
> > takes= me to get out, there's a level of patheticness that I can't
> > really stomach here.
> >
> >
> > P= eople just aren't so interested in going out and listening to music
>= > any more.  If you have thousands of tracks from all the wor= ld's
> > musicians on a little box the size of a cigarette package, there<= br>> > really isn't much incentive to go out and just listen. &n= bsp;Sure, going
> > out for a *show*, or to dance... logical. = ; But not to listen.
> >
> > Older people are more listeners -- but a lot of = them aren't interested
> > in weird music any more.  And= they don't seem to come out.
> >
> > Younger people want= either a spectacle or dance music and I can't
> > provide that.  And I'm not *such* an amazing musici= an that they'll
> > just show up to admire my chops (and really, w= hen does that happen
> > nowadays?)
> >
> > = ;   /t
> >
> >
> > On 3/8/06, Dan Ash <Daniel.Ash@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > To= m,
> > >
> > > That's too bad.
> > > > > > Wasn't there a snowstorm the night of the last loop event in= Brooklyn?
> > > That might have been a factor.
> > &g= t;
> > > Hope you're not really throwing in the trowel.
> > >
> > > Dan Ash
> > > White Plains, NY=
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>= >
> > --
> >     /t
> ><= br>> > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar
> >
>= ; >
>
>


--
     /t

= http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music cal= endar


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I need some cash and have to sell one of my = Alesis=20 Bitrmen. I know some of you were looking for one a while ago so = this might=20 be your chance to finally get hold of one. This unit was purchased=20 about one and a half years ago, it shows some minor scratches on = the front=20 panel (the adhesive cover was removed at some point) and around the = wallwart=20 jack but technically it works flawlessly. You=B4ll see the scratches = only at close=20 examination as they are very light, actually. Unfortunately, the manual = got lost=20 when I last moved house but I think I can get hold of a photocopied = version=20 somehow, should you feel this is a necessity for you.
 
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________________________________________________________= ______________________________
 
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For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com
 
It=B4s out: "Oughtibridge", the new [=B4ramp] = album, recorded=20 live in England.
 
For info and audio, please visit the official = [=B4ramp]=20 website at www.doombient.com
 
 
 

 
------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C64487.0CABD7A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 10 23:01:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15F173BEF0; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060310180106.xh1eag1ggk4owg4w@www.wightman.ca> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:01:06 -0500 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Steve Lawson and Bernhard Wagner's recordings References: <005101c6447e$ef5aa120$1e9efe91@inap> In-Reply-To: <005101c6447e$ef5aa120$1e9efe91@inap> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:01:08 +0000 (UTC) For the last couple of months I've been listening to Bernhard's cd "the fourth night" which I treated myself to for Christmas and then I purchased all of Steve Lawson's downloadable cds. Now I generally have about 2 1/2 hrs driving time every day going to and from work and it's been such a pleasure with this music to listen to. Both of them do music that is quite different from the sort of music that I play, even though we all do looping, but I've found such inspiration and ideas to try out from listening to their work. Of course I've known from the forum that both of them are very well respected loopers and musicians, but honestly I was not prepared for the high level of artistry that was presented in their music. I hope that I have an opportunity to hear them live at some point. If you don't have their cd's.... do yourself a favour and get them, you won't regret it. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 10 23:08:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 930003BEEC; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <96FBC571-A1A5-453B-9E90-C1B98F95CF56@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Next Recycle Collective gig in London (March 16th) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:08:34 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, the next Recycle Collective gig in London is next Thursday, 16th =20 March, and the theme is 'three flavours of guitar' - Thomas Leeb - acoustic guitar - from Austria, lives in California, in =20= a Hedges/Keaggy/Forcione/Roche vibe. Amazing musician. BJ Cole - pedal steel/looping - one of the finest ambient musicians =20 I've ever heard. Me - bass/loopage - doing what I do. We'll all be playing solo, and as a trio. Doors 7pm, first music 8pm, Tickets =A37/=A35 available in advance from =20= www.stevelawson.net/store weblinks - www.recyclecollective.com (all information) www.darbucka.com (the venue) www.thomasleeb.com (watch the video clips, he's great) www.bjcole.co.uk www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson www.myspace.com/therecyclecollective (downloadable tracks here) see you there! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 00:24:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF6293BEE9; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: Guitar Player article Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:24:20 -0500 Message-ID: <005e01c644a2$252b4020$6600a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060310180106.xh1eag1ggk4owg4w@www.wightman.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcZEloTGdkeyM0ohQU27pE+m/um0gAACy8hg X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: <7gT7p.A.CmG.zihEEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Congrats to the loopers interviewed for the new Guitar Player article about looping. Lots of great info to get people exposed to the diverse music made out there and the amazing array of devices that create it. Maybe this will spur some hardware sales and show the manufacturers that we ain't goin away. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 00:28:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86B633BEE6; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <024e01c644a2$c74e5c70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <005e01c644a2$252b4020$6600a8c0@presto> Subject: Re: Guitar Player article Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:28:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 495, in=234876, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Can someone scan that article and share? Who was featured? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" To: Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Guitar Player article > Congrats to the loopers interviewed for the new Guitar Player article > about > looping. Lots of great info to get people exposed to the diverse music > made > out there and the amazing array of devices that create it. Maybe this will > spur some hardware sales and show the manufacturers that we ain't goin > away. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 01:46:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FF963BEE9; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:42:24 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for February 25, 2006 To: Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Message-id: <44122B00.60002@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:46:27 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060225.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #83 February 25, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ VA [Edgar Froese] Daliesquador Edition #7 Sampler (Groove) VA [Hemisphere] Night of the Living Edition #7 Sampler (Groove) Machine VA [Rudy Adrian] Midnight Fantasy Angel Edition #7 Sampler (Groove) Jeffrey Koepper Distant Light Etherea (Air Space) John Lakveet Checkmate to B. Russell The Force of Reason (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Fred Lykes Moonlight Dance Star Bound (none) Fred Lykes Planetary Voyager Star Bound (none) Sonny Lim Malie Slack Key Guitar (Palm) Sonny Lim How D'Ya Do Slack Key Guitar (Palm) Patrick Doyle The Story Continues Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (WB) Patrick Doyle Frank Dies HPatGoF (WB) Patrick Doyle The Quidditch World Cup HPatGoF (WB) Patrick Doyle The Dark Mark HPatGoF (WB) Patrick Doyle Foreign Visitors Arrive HPatGoF (WB) Patrick Doyle The Goblet of Fire HPatGoF (WB) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Mithrandir For You the Old Women For You the Old Women (SynPhonic) IZZ Star Evil Gnoma Su I Move (Doone) IZZ Another Door I Move (Doone) IZZ Something True I Move (Doone) Pinnacle Love In Our Hands Meld (Everything To Excess) Mahavishnu Project Resolution Phase 2 (Aggregate) 8:00 am * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on March 11. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 02:12:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FBE33BEFC; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 02:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XtPOhZawfHJ+ICi7UFaBTr5+0fk9wXCINVviIl/Uvk6Td5iTGBT0l9CvufE+GuNQ; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006361121547180@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Alesis Bitrman for sale Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:15:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406ce1aeb318b4bb551d96099bc4f9d5fc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.192 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 02:12:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII "I´ve seen them go on evilBay for a hell of a lot of money recently " How much? ;-) I didn't see any on eBay when I checked yesterday, but then you probably know better ways to find item histories ...I'm an eBay newbie. (Say that 3 times fast.) I had to pass on an Ineko that was only going for $90 or something like that. I can justify an Ineko, but only if I give up the Bitrman. Hence my curiosity about Bitrman prices. BTW, WMBR here in Cambridge MA played something from the LD3 disc, and it was awesome! ....um...I'll have to check my notes to see whose song it was...lots of looped dialog. Great sounds. I'm going to have to buy the disc. ~Tim Mungenast www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat www.mungenast.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Wavecomputer360 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 3/10/2006 3:16:25 PM Subject: Alesis Bitrman for sale Hi all, I need some cash and have to sell one of my Alesis Bitrmen. I know some of you were looking for one a while ago so this might be your chance to finally get hold of one. This unit was purchased about one and a half years ago, it shows some minor scratches on the front panel (the adhesive cover was removed at some point) and around the wallwart jack but technically it works flawlessly. You´ll see the scratches only at close examination as they are very light, actually. Unfortunately, the manual got lost when I last moved house but I think I can get hold of a photocopied version somehow, should you feel this is a necessity for you. I´ve seen them go on evilBay for a hell of a lot of money recently but before I try evilBay I´d rather give someone on this list a chance. I need cash so please don´t make me a silly offer like "twenty-five bucks, and you pay shipping" or so :-). I will ship anywhere on this planet at your expense (could be pricey, thanks DHL). If you have any info, please get back to me. I can send you a picture if you wish. In case you´never dealt with me, check my evilBay profile "ppg360" :-). Thanks for reading, regards, Stephen. ______________________________________________________________________________________ "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith) Now available: "Hoellenengel", the new album by Stephen Parsick. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It´s out: "Oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
"I´ve seen them go on evilBay for a hell of a lot of money recently "
 
How much? ;-) 
 
I didn't see any on eBay when I checked yesterday, but then you probably know better ways to find item histories ...I'm an eBay newbie. (Say that 3 times fast.)
 
I had to pass on an Ineko that was only going for $90 or something like that. I can justify an Ineko, but only if I give up the Bitrman. Hence my curiosity about Bitrman prices.
 
BTW, WMBR here in Cambridge MA played something from the LD3      disc, and it was awesome! ....um...I'll have to check my notes to see whose song it was...lots of looped dialog. Great sounds. I'm going to have to buy the disc.
 
~Tim Mungenast
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 3/10/2006 3:16:25 PM
Subject: Alesis Bitrman for sale

Hi all,
 
I need some cash and have to sell one of my Alesis Bitrmen. I know some of you were looking for one a while ago so this might be your chance to finally get hold of one. This unit was purchased about one and a half years ago, it shows some minor scratches on the front panel (the adhesive cover was removed at some point) and around the wallwart jack but technically it works flawlessly. You´ll see the scratches only at close examination as they are very light, actually. Unfortunately, the manual got lost when I last moved house but I think I can get hold of a photocopied version somehow, should you feel this is a necessity for you.
 
I´ve seen them go on evilBay for a hell of a lot of money recently but before I try evilBay I´d rather give someone on this list a chance. I need cash so please don´t make me a silly offer like "twenty-five bucks, and you pay shipping" or so :-). I will ship anywhere on this planet at your expense (could be pricey, thanks DHL).
 
If you have any info, please get back to me. I can send you a picture if you wish. In case you´never dealt with me, check my evilBay profile "ppg360" :-).
 
Thanks for reading, regards,
 
Stephen.
 

______________________________________________________________________________________
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith)
 
Now available: "Hoellenengel", the new album by Stephen Parsick.
 
For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com
 
It´s out: "Oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England.
 
For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com
 
 
 

 
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 05:23:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 982DD3BF00; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 05:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZpJc7plmvvyNCoglNUIB8d11rtL4dZ/iNG1soPEn7OgpC7Lai2hSVkKnh73RoXRH5dxYxwQ8t/+eDX1cvuensQtVvp+7lcmeyFfnDs+ewniA6Imd6Y3oG/a2M/Ol78629pNOi/vEvKA6BrNEN0BXh6vX6FLJMxlpu/q33H5muvc= Message-ID: <26ba8d120603102123h5b94b23fl27c5642c990cac8a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:23:10 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cancelled: march 11 open loop In-Reply-To: <2fb9e4730603100336h24036b22t1c0f602cb957b50a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <440F9690.4070000@Verizon.net> <26ba8d120603091115t1b983095wedce17c78e3014c1@mail.gmail.com> <2fb9e4730603091121w4fe27938x931d9b2e42f62a89@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120603091313i11d6bca5k9a5eca578ea3aceb@mail.gmail.com> <2fb9e4730603100336h24036b22t1c0f602cb957b50a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 05:23:12 +0000 (UTC) On 3/10/06, Clint Allen wrote: > Its looking more and more like Williamsburg at this point. > > and any helpful info offline is greatly, greatly appreciated!!! Oh, *really*?! Well, I live in Williamsburg... so this is seeming very promising. There are clubs around there that I think are bookable -- but group efforts are much better. Drop me a line offlist and we can chat! > > Clint > > > On 3/9/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > Good move! Where in Brooklyn?! > > > > On 3/9/06, Clint Allen wrote: > > > > > > I can't promise to do much, but hopefully I will be able to add a few > > > individuals at these shows (myself included) in the next few months a= s I > and > > > two of my collaborators/friends relocate to the Brooklyn area... > > > > > > Clint Allen > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/9/06, Tom Ritchford < tom@swirly.com> wrote: > > > > That's "towel" not "trowel"! :-D > > > > > > > > Yes, the weather was against us. But I've been doing this for a lo= ng > > > > time. I run a fairly popular events mailing list here too that I u= se > > > > to advertise this stuff. In previous times, I've done things like > > > > getting ads in newspapers and handing out lots and lots of fliers. > > > > And yet I'd be really, really surprised if I had a show and a dozen > > > > people showed up. > > > > > > > > Considering the amount of gear I take out and the time and money it > > > > takes me to get out, there's a level of patheticness that I can't > > > > really stomach here. > > > > > > > > > > > > People just aren't so interested in going out and listening to musi= c > > > > any more. If you have thousands of tracks from all the world's > > > > musicians on a little box the size of a cigarette package, there > > > > really isn't much incentive to go out and just listen. Sure, going > > > > out for a *show*, or to dance... logical. But not to listen. > > > > > > > > Older people are more listeners -- but a lot of them aren't interes= ted > > > > in weird music any more. And they don't seem to come out. > > > > > > > > Younger people want either a spectacle or dance music and I can't > > > > provide that. And I'm not *such* an amazing musician that they'll > > > > just show up to admire my chops (and really, when does that happen > > > > nowadays?) > > > > > > > > /t > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/8/06, Dan Ash wrote: > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > > > > > That's too bad. > > > > > > > > > > Wasn't there a snowstorm the night of the last loop event in > Brooklyn? > > > > > That might have been a factor. > > > > > > > > > > Hope you're not really throwing in the trowel. > > > > > > > > > > Dan Ash > > > > > White Plains, NY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > /t > > > > > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 05:27:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D3173BF08; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 05:27:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P1V2pOhz3qEsXPNfoQlJE+k6JYRvKj2zmquX44bHGyqsJTBXUdjj4hGFIalQelHHXbAxTq9C0l+DF4PH5rRIZLNm3PJoJRUIi6HcLemCwImqzt/SrDWrWpaRej5IcBInHFFQgn5SrDWLOmIlPCy/fOETfZcVaFIxBtrTVXsAS6g= Message-ID: <26ba8d120603102127s2e9155bfu9182e561bd7b3e43@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:27:24 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: cancelled: march 11 open loop In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120603081046j5ea1723ke5688f0fd8e9905b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120603081046j5ea1723ke5688f0fd8e9905b@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 05:27:25 +0000 (UTC) So I managed to find a Saturday night gig, astonishingly enough, though it's not an open loop thing. The good part is that there is guaranteed to be an audience (I'm playing the chill room at a rave), the bad part is that there's only a small PA and I discovered tonight that the person who borrowed my PA speakers a few years ago blew out the speakers and then *threw out the cabinets* quite a long time ago and didn't bother to tell me. GRR. If any of you has a PA and transportation :-D and can be there tomorrow night, let me know! Unfortunately, I cannot tell you where this is as I'm not allowed to send this to any lists -- contact me off-list if you're interested. On 3/8/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > I should have sent this before -- but the March 11 open loop was > cancelled because the bar where we were holding it closed. grrr. > > My last two shows since I started playing again have been nothing > short of disastrous -- between the one I advertised on this list and > another one, I had a total of two people showing up to see me. > > It's probably going to be quite some time before I try again. > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 09:11:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C22543BF0B; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 04:07:05 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44129339.50507@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:11:04 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be in less than two hours from now at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also play music from IZZ's new CD and music from other bands that will soon be in concert at the New Jersey Proghouse. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 11:02:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 089823BF0F; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nulCZgST+KP/ZO35gVViTLYaWHXRpmFYoVlcfZvsQN90XIC69gJp9gM+IcmwZmTOW1tfaPLJpFYR6TweT4bZaNESgHlI9R4a13NTInuTfjVA7ivnDcRrkoK+gr6PMODHsLXqwI3useiah0SpzSfa8J+ZxJbyq/Z1lyTWhqeOiCw= ; Message-ID: <20060311110206.48167.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:02:06 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Guitar Player article To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <024e01c644a2$c74e5c70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1152662686-1142074926=:46463" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:02:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-1152662686-1142074926=:46463 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I too looked for the artikel. In what magazine was it ? When ? It would be greate if somone scan and shared it ! Rune F, Norway Kris Hartung skrev: Can someone scan that article and share? Who was featured? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" To: Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Guitar Player article > Congrats to the loopers interviewed for the new Guitar Player article > about > looping. Lots of great info to get people exposed to the diverse music > made > out there and the amazing array of devices that create it. Maybe this will > spur some hardware sales and show the manufacturers that we ain't goin > away. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > --0-1152662686-1142074926=:46463 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I too looked for the artikel. In what magazine was it ? When ?
 
It would be greate if somone scan and shared it !
 
Rune F, Norway   

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> skrev:
Can someone scan that article and share? Who was featured?

Kris

----- Original Message -----
From: "hazard factor"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 5:24 PM
Subject: Guitar Player article


> Congrats to the loopers interviewed for the new Guitar Player article
> about
> looping. Lots of great info to get people exposed to the diverse music
> made
> out there and the amazing array of devices that create it. Maybe this will
> spur some hardware sales and show the manufacturers that we ain't goin
> away.
>
> Dave Eichenberger
> http://www.hazardfactor.com
>
>



--0-1152662686-1142074926=:46463-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 14:36:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3164F3BF06; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Vedr. Re: Guitar Player article Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c64519$23661770$6600a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <20060311110206.48167.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcZE+z2+dS4VsToNQXS17SAzzjkd1AAHVZ8g X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:36:11 +0000 (UTC) This is in the new issue of the US magazine 'Guitar Player' with Derek Trucks on the cover. It also has a great analysis of the music of the Mahavishnu Orchestra in it too. I don't have a copy yet, but the store I teach at has them- I get a free copy at the end of the month. Definately worth checking out. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com ________________________________ From: rune fagereng [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vedr. Re: Guitar Player article Hi ! I too looked for the artikel. In what magazine was it ? When ? It would be greate if somone scan and shared it ! Rune F, Norway Kris Hartung skrev: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 15:51:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67F423BF10; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:50:59 EST Subject: LD CD #3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2ed.2a5e266.31444be3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:51:07 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2ed.2a5e266.31444be3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/10/06 9:13:45 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes: > I'm going to have to buy the disc. > who can i get one of these from?.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_2ed.2a5e266.31444be3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/10/06 9:13:45 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes:


I'm going to have to=20= buy the disc.

who can i get one of these from?.....mic




www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
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 --part1_2ed.2a5e266.31444be3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 16:10:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0980F3BF13; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> Subject: Re: LD CD #3 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:06:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6452E.1F0E97A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <-dKMIB.A.Bd.3ZvEEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:10:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6452E.1F0E97A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable me, for starters... :-) Stephen ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- = "Paranoid Android")=20 Now available: "Hoellenengel" -- the new album by Stephen Parsick. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It=B4s out: "oughtibridge", the new [=B4ramp] album, recorded live in = England. For info and audio, please visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: LD CD #3 In a message dated 3/10/06 9:13:45 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes: I'm going to have to buy the disc. who can i get one of these from?.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6452E.1F0E97A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
me, for starters... :-)
 
Stephen

________________________________________________________= ____________
 
"Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom=20 Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android")
 
Now available: "Hoellenengel" -- the new album = by Stephen=20 Parsick.
 
For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com
 
It=B4s out: "oughtibridge", the new [=B4ramp] = album, recorded=20 live in England.
 
For info and audio, please visit the official = [=B4ramp]=20 website at www.doombient.com
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
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Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 = 4:50=20 PM
Subject: LD CD #3


In a message dated 3/10/06 9:13:45 = PM, mungenast@earthlink.net=20 writes:


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 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6452E.1F0E97A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 17:57:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A3DC3BF0B; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FACKbEkSCEoV5LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060311175249.02c59ca0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:54:52 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: Vedr. Re: Guitar Player article In-Reply-To: <20060311161032.BBD0C3BF0D@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060311161032.BBD0C3BF0D@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:57:01 +0000 (UTC) >This is in the new issue of the US magazine 'Guitar Player' hi Dave, what month? andy butler (I was one of the email interviewees, along with Matthias Grob, neither of us got told when it would be out) >with Derek >Trucks on the cover. It also has a great analysis of the music of the >Mahavishnu Orchestra in it too. I don't have a copy yet, but the store I >teach at has them- I get a free copy at the end of the month. Definately >worth checking out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 18:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73BBF3BF06; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060311175249.02c59ca0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060311161032.BBD0C3BF0D@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060311175249.02c59ca0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Guitar Player article Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:09:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Andy, It's in the April 2006 issue. Starts on page 88 and continues through page 94 (including ads). Cheers, Ted On Mar 11, 2006, at 9:54 AM, a k butler wrote: > what month? > > andy butler > (I was one of the email interviewees, along with Matthias Grob, > neither of us got told when it would be out) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 19:46:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C1633BF05; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:42:13 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show for March 11, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44132815.3090404@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:46:26 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060311.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #84 March 11, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. During Phase III, I played the music of bands that will soon be playing at the New Jersey Proghouse; IZZ tonight, Pinnacle in two weeks, and Echolyn in May. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ VA [Parallel Worlds] Detailed Matter Edition #7 Sampler (Groove) VA [Ian Tescee] Zero Gravity Edition #7 Sampler (Groove) VA [Maxxess] Red Earth Edition #7 Sampler (Groove) VA [John Lakveet] Leibniz and Contingency Edition #7 Sampler (Groove) Arcane 33 1/3 RPM Side One 33 1/3 RPM (Neu Harmony) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Eric Tingstad Torna a Surriento A Trip Through Tuscany (Gallery) Eric Tingstad Santa Lucia A Trip Through Tuscany (Gallery) Deuter East of the Full Moon East of the Full Moon (New Earth) Trio Pianissimo Sleep & Dream Change (Aggregate) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ IZZ Deafening Silence My River Flows (Doone) Echolyn As the World Jersey Tomato Vol. 2 (none) Echolyn The Cheese Stands Alone Jersey Tomato Vol. 2 (none) Pinnacle Timberline A Man's Reach... (Everything To Excess) 8:00 am * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on April 8. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 20:17:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A473A3BF0C; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.162.66.26] X-Originating-Email: [bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <44129339.50507@soundscapes.us> From: "rob cathcart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Listen to the AM/FM Show Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:17:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2006 20:17:32.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[D453A050:01C64548] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:17:34 +0000 (UTC)

Hi Bill

Please take me off your mailing list.

Thanks,

Rob Cathcart

 



 

From:  Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us>
Reply-To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:  undisclosed-recipients: ;
Subject:  Listen to the AM/FM Show
Date:  Sat, 11 Mar 2006 04:07:05 -0500
>THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH:                              
>http://soundscapes.us/amfm
>================================================================================
>
>My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be in less than two hours from
>now at 6:00
>am EST/GMT-5.  I will  continue the special on E-dition Magazine's
>sampler CDs.
>I will also play music from IZZ's new CD and music from other bands
>that will
>soon be in concert at the New Jersey Proghouse.
>
>Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus
>of Muhlenberg
>College.  I alternate hosting the show with Bruce.  When I am at the
>helm, the
>show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning,
>an eclectic
>mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock.  
>Listen on-line
>to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO
>link or go
>directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm
>
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 20:22:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C181B3BF06; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AEARwm0mur0kR1AV91q/aE4ReLegwaVyYAkxfVCyTT8GPVOojR8KaZMb8r5DqzthErkjYHRAJGCzs9vMmKGnK068Ozd1wVSRV3uWB/Z0oc3hi64EE2QRprxANNow1ZhLbXoYbj/lt6yiERbi0l2Ogki618KwRK1GZw5A87nIJHI= Message-ID: <26ba8d120603111222l75286b1cm96c68a73f6e2da3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:22:44 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: cancelled: march 11 open loop In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120603102127s2e9155bfu9182e561bd7b3e43@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120603081046j5ea1723ke5688f0fd8e9905b@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120603102127s2e9155bfu9182e561bd7b3e43@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Hah, cancelled. But this really cheered me up. This was unconnected with the looping list -- it's someone who came to a lot of open loops when they were happening in the East Village and called me up when a slot came empty because he liked my work. (They had other troubles and decided just to go with a single PA and not have the chill room at all!) They're doing a wine and cheese opening in a few weeks and want me to play for that, though. So a nice coincidence, that someone random cares about my material enough to want me to play somewhere. I think I should take this is a Positive Omen. /t On 3/11/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > So I managed to find a Saturday night gig, astonishingly enough, > though it's not an open loop thing. > > The good part is that there is guaranteed to be an audience (I'm > playing the chill room at a rave), the bad part is that there's only a > small PA and I discovered tonight that the person who borrowed my PA > speakers a few years ago blew out the speakers and then *threw out the > cabinets* quite a long time ago and didn't bother to tell me. GRR. > > If any of you has a PA and transportation :-D and can be there > tomorrow night, let me know! > > Unfortunately, I cannot tell you where this is as I'm not allowed to > send this to any lists -- contact me off-list if you're interested. > > > On 3/8/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > I should have sent this before -- but the March 11 open loop was > > cancelled because the bar where we were holding it closed. grrr. > > > > My last two shows since I started playing again have been nothing > > short of disastrous -- between the one I advertised on this list and > > another one, I had a total of two people showing up to see me. > > > > It's probably going to be quite some time before I try again. > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 21:04:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAB3E3BF0B; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: RE: Vedr. Re: Guitar Player article Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:04:44 -0500 Message-ID: <003901c6454f$6d298b90$6600a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060311175249.02c59ca0@tiscali.co.uk> Thread-Index: AcZFNTWDaTEwpCnVTFuxtogSTQfp4AAGhmsw X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Ohh sorry- as Ted pointed out, it is April. Great article, actually! Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > >This is in the new issue of the US magazine 'Guitar Player' > > hi Dave, > > what month? > > andy butler > (I was one of the email interviewees, along with Matthias > Grob, neither of us got told when it would be out) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 22:53:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FC3C3BF06; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 22:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060311145404.051f5340@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:57:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LD CD #3 In-Reply-To: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <10Wa6C.A.paG.WT1EEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 22:53:11 +0000 (UTC) At 07:50 AM 3/11/2006, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >>I'm going to have to buy the disc. > >who can i get one of these from?.....mic Michael, go to the Looper's Delight CD page, there are links to ordering sites for all of the LD cd projects: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cd/LoopersDelightCDs.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 11 23:59:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F25F83BEE6; Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2fc.5f0459.3144be58@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:59:20 EST Subject: Re: LD CD #3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2fc.5f0459.3144be58_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:59:26 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2fc.5f0459.3144be58_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/11/06 5:53:29 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cd/LoopersDelightCDs.html > > thnaks kim!.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_2fc.5f0459.3144be58_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/11/06 5:53:29 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:

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thnaks kim!.....mic



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 --part1_2fc.5f0459.3144be58_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 05:16:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA0B53BEE6; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <035001c64594$0bcd5440$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: LXP5 Problem - Stereo Output Now Mono Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 22:15:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 498, in=240629, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:16:02 +0000 (UTC) I'm having some problems with my Lexicon LXP5. It seems to be producing a mono output even though I'm using both L and R outputs to my board, plus using both L and R inputs from my Boss VF1. I tested this by using a panned delay on my VF1 and removing the LXP5. The panning is there. Add the LXP5 and the stereo output is bridged into a mono signal. Even the factory default LXP5 patches do this. I don't recall this unit doing this last year, so somehow I've changed something on the unit via MIDI, or the the hardware has gone haywire. Anyone know what might be causing this? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 08:39:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 793B63BEDE; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Old Lurker, New Poster..... Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 00:39:56 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I've been an on-again/off-again member of this list, mostly lurked in the past. I signed onto the list again, and I thought I'd introduce myself, as I'll be at the Boise Festival playing a duo with the marvelous/fantastic Ted Killian AND in trio with Ted Killian and Rick Walker. I'm really looking forward to the Festival, and to meeting those of you that will be in attendance. (Thanks, Ted and Kris, for the invitation.) FYI, I use a looper built in max/msp (Andrew Pask wrote the core, I built my own interface), I left behind my two DL4s....they just started weighing too much on the road! If you'd like to hear a sample of my work, you can check out a mp3 from my latest album, The Choir Boys with Stings, done with Andrew, Steuart Liebig and GE Stinson (we all use loopers....at different times) at: http://www.pfmentum.com Looking forward to being more a part of the community and chatting with everyone, especially that guy Steve whats-his-name from London....oh yeah, Lawson! (You out there, Steve? I'm mixing, really!) (Those of you that don't know Steve, should really check out his music!)... Best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com http://www.myspace.com/jeffkaisermusic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 08:52:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C3553BEEC; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rkAeN9fQ5OEf2S4Xscr+O27yUE6qRwbxGmIUoBxL50XVUjOSyuXTdfDlNnF57Y9KMKozs/QZ+8SI96MqbDBZCSQLFUheMi22hjxM0pq+ExjCkyUZTasEV8kdNjemg5oMy42VULD/G2XUPGmjESGehji01qygu3gr7R+6IKln5Wg= ; Message-ID: <20060312085225.12004.qmail@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:52:25 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Ableton Tutorial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2061685723-1142153545=:11738" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:52:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-2061685723-1142153545=:11738 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Has anyone a copy of the Ableton Tutorial Dvd ? Possible to buy or copy ? Rune F --0-2061685723-1142153545=:11738 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Has anyone a copy of the Ableton Tutorial Dvd ?
 
Possible to buy or copy ? 
 
Rune F
--0-2061685723-1142153545=:11738-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 09:39:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F5743BEDE; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4413EC4B.7050804@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:39:23 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Tutorial References: <20060312085225.12004.qmail@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060312085225.12004.qmail@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0aQtvC.A.Ih.Qx-EEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:39:29 +0000 (UTC) first of all, which tutorial dvd? There are a couple. Secondly, they're all copyrighted, so copying them would be *illegal* - don't request copies online! A. rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Has anyone a copy of the Ableton Tutorial Dvd ? > > Possible to buy or copy ? > > Rune F From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 09:39:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F2273BEF8; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <95CA9590-52E8-43F2-BF93-E81093F6240D@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Old Lurker, New Poster..... Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:39:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:39:38 +0000 (UTC) On 12 mar 2006, at 09.39, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > you can check out a mp3 from my latest album, The Choir Boys with > Stings, done with Andrew, Steuart Liebig and GE Stinson (we all use > loopers....at different times) at: > http://www.pfmentum.com Thank you! Listening to that eight minute clip right now and enjoying it a lot. ;-) Yes, I too like Steve Lawsons stuff. I bought Grace And Attitude... oops,.. meant "Gratitude". Had to check the title by iTunes - but anyway, the mistake was "Freudian" and that disc is a damn fine one IMHO. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 10:14:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 248203BEE1; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=czpFyzcCbCYZ7GVsvFbNNK2Njf5JE5FIuOXV+3NRA51i7/zex1RTt45UkccLnbrXCRGOKB4TU/cAzVZZTSwIROx9pM0w+HPR3qby1ick/MSVQJOTGhR1Rk7ApeDQ9zFjtoKWnIxp5fd7hWprTFmgoW9PNPOwlj3tqzWeyde6mj4= ; Message-ID: <20060312101359.20214.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:13:59 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Ableton Tutorial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4413EC4B.7050804@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1918979404-1142158439=:20161" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:14:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-1918979404-1142158439=:20161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I myself uses Live 5. So you never do any copying, or is it the request thats bad. It wont happen again ! Rune F Andreas Wetterberg skrev: first of all, which tutorial dvd? There are a couple. Secondly, they're all copyrighted, so copying them would be *illegal* - don't request copies online! A. rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Has anyone a copy of the Ableton Tutorial Dvd ? > > Possible to buy or copy ? > > Rune F --0-1918979404-1142158439=:20161 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I myself uses Live 5. So you never do any copying, or is it the request thats bad. It wont happen again !
 
Rune F
 


Andreas Wetterberg <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> skrev:
first of all, which tutorial dvd? There are a couple.
Secondly, they're all copyrighted, so copying them would be *illegal* -
don't request copies online!

A.


rune fagereng wrote:
> Hi !
>
> Has anyone a copy of the Ableton Tutorial Dvd ?
>
> Possible to buy or copy ?
>
> Rune F


--0-1918979404-1142158439=:20161-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 10:49:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD4673BEDE; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060312101359.20214.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060312101359.20214.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5AD9FEB1-DAA2-41D2-B02D-67888EECA396@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Ableton Tutorial Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:49:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:49:57 +0000 (UTC) On 12 mar 2006, at 11.13, rune fagereng wrote: > Ableton Tutorial Dvd ? I don't know about any Tutorial Dvd, but if you open Live 5 and check under the Help menu there you will find "Lessons Table of Content". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 15:02:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 177CC3BEE2; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <039901c645e6$0427f540$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Old Lurker, New Poster..... Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:02:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 499, in=250960, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff - Anyone who plays a quarter-tone trumpet and also loops deserves to play at a festival like this! :) I really look forward to hearing you and Ted play together, and even more so, you, Ted, and Rick on the second day of the event. I really like the guitar/trumpet duo format, especially since I received a copy of Digital/Spiritual from Kevin Brunkhorst and Paul Tynan...great work! Speaking of MAX/MSP, a young lady at the festival will be doing a 10 min intermission piece with that program (Gretchen Jude...see the festival site for more info). She is an electronic music student at Boise State University. You might get a kick out of that. And I'm sure Rick will, because she's doing almost everything with her voice. She sent me a demo CD and it is quite sophisticated. I would so quite sophisticated "for Boise," but I've learned in putting together this event that Boise is no more or less progressive in terms of folks playing experimental, avant-garde, or free improv music than any other place, relative to the population...that would be a comment in light of per capita stats. There a lot of folks coming out of the woodwork playing music I never thought existed here. I just needed to provide a major venue to bring them together. Although I've just had no luck whatsoever in finding horn players who I can improv with, let a lone looping. Any who, I'll get out and check out more of your sound clips now. See you next month! And I'd love to see you commenting more on this discussion group. Kris www.krispenhartung.com www.boisemusicians.com/experimental http://myspace.com/krispenhartung > Howdy, > > I've been an on-again/off-again member of this list, mostly lurked in the > past. I signed onto the list again, and I thought I'd introduce myself, as > I'll be at the Boise Festival playing a duo with the marvelous/fantastic > Ted Killian AND in trio with Ted Killian and Rick Walker. I'm really > looking forward to the Festival, and to meeting those of you that will be > in attendance. (Thanks, Ted and Kris, for the invitation.) > > FYI, I use a looper built in max/msp (Andrew Pask wrote the core, I built > my own interface), I left behind my two DL4s....they just started weighing > too much on the road! If you'd like to hear a sample of my work, you can > check out a mp3 from my latest album, The Choir Boys with Stings, done > with Andrew, Steuart Liebig and GE Stinson (we all use loopers....at > different times) at: > > http://www.pfmentum.com > > Looking forward to being more a part of the community and chatting with > everyone, especially that guy Steve whats-his-name from London....oh yeah, > Lawson! (You out there, Steve? I'm mixing, really!) (Those of you that > don't know Steve, should really check out his music!)... > > Best, > > Jeff > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > http://www.myspace.com/jeffkaisermusic > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 15:03:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26BFF3BEF0; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <035001c64594$0bcd5440$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <035001c64594$0bcd5440$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3BEA4BFE-1AD6-48D3-89B1-4BC618BB8310@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LXP5 Problem - Stereo Output Now Mono Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:03:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8iDq-.A.ruF.9gDFEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:03:25 +0000 (UTC) On 12 mar 2006, at 06.15, Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm having some problems with my Lexicon LXP5. It seems to be > producing a mono output even though I'm using both L and R outputs > to my board, plus using both L and R inputs from my Boss VF1. I > tested this by using a panned delay on my VF1 and removing the > LXP5. The panning is there. Add the LXP5 and the stereo output is > bridged into a mono signal. Even the factory default LXP5 patches > do this. I don't recall this unit doing this last year, so somehow > I've changed something on the unit via MIDI, or the the hardware > has gone haywire. > > Anyone know what might be causing this? Hard to tell on so little information given out on the problem. The most important fact is if you daisy chain the LXP5 in the signal chain or if you put it all wet at an effect send/return loop of a mixer? And if course if the way you are now connecting it is the same as you did last year, when you "had stereo". Then it also depends on what you use the LXP5 for. Some presets change the input stereo spread more than others. I have a LXP5 but I never used it for anything except reverb and I always put it in a send/return effect loop on a mixer. I never bothered to feed it a stereo input either, because I thought it sounded cool anyway. But it was, and is, definitely putting out a stereo signal. When using a stereo input to the LXP5 the most affected parameters are the early reflection bounces in some reverb/delay ("multi") patches, if my manual readers memory serves me right (my Lexicon manual got lost somewhere back in the early nineties). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 15:40:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 197C83BEE2; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03af01c645eb$4eb2a740$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <035001c64594$0bcd5440$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3BEA4BFE-1AD6-48D3-89B1-4BC618BB8310@boysen.se> Subject: Re: LXP5 Problem - Stereo Output Now Mono Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:40:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 162, in=101858, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <7gD31D.A.EIH.3DEFEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:40:40 +0000 (UTC) The Lexicon group just pointed out the problem. The LXP5 and LXP1 bridge the L/R inputs into mono. So I need to put the LXP5 as first in my signal chain, before the VF-1. What a drag. k- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: Re: LXP5 Problem - Stereo Output Now Mono > On 12 mar 2006, at 06.15, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> I'm having some problems with my Lexicon LXP5. It seems to be producing >> a mono output even though I'm using both L and R outputs to my board, >> plus using both L and R inputs from my Boss VF1. I tested this by using >> a panned delay on my VF1 and removing the LXP5. The panning is there. >> Add the LXP5 and the stereo output is bridged into a mono signal. Even >> the factory default LXP5 patches do this. I don't recall this unit doing >> this last year, so somehow I've changed something on the unit via MIDI, >> or the the hardware has gone haywire. >> >> Anyone know what might be causing this? > > > Hard to tell on so little information given out on the problem. The most > important fact is if you daisy chain the LXP5 in the signal chain or if > you put it all wet at an effect send/return loop of a mixer? And if > course if the way you are now connecting it is the same as you did last > year, when you "had stereo". > > Then it also depends on what you use the LXP5 for. Some presets change > the input stereo spread more than others. I have a LXP5 but I never used > it for anything except reverb and I always put it in a send/return effect > loop on a mixer. I never bothered to feed it a stereo input either, > because I thought it sounded cool anyway. But it was, and is, definitely > putting out a stereo signal. > > When using a stereo input to the LXP5 the most affected parameters are > the early reflection bounces in some reverb/delay ("multi") patches, if > my manual readers memory serves me right (my Lexicon manual got lost > somewhere back in the early nineties). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=128679560&s=143456 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 16:30:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B773C3BEFB; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <25c.86d20fd.3145a69d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:30:21 EST Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Ableton Tutorial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1142181021" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:30:27 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1142181021 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit British mag Computer Music has an issue dedicated to Abelton Live tutorials out right now. Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 -------------------------------1142181021 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
British mag Computer Music has an issue dedicated to Abelton Live tutor= ials=20 out right now.
 
Harry=20 Weinberg, Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th=20 Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
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 -------------------------------1142181021-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 16:50:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D27FC3BEEC; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2bc.6708aea.3145ab33@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:49:55 EST Subject: guitar/trumpet duo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2bc.6708aea.3145ab33_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:50:00 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2bc.6708aea.3145ab33_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/12/06 10:02:53 AM, khartung@cableone.net writes: > I really like the guitar/trumpet duo format, > kris.....you should also check out TRIANGULIZONA "LOOP PROJECT" www.trianangulizona.com two of the nicest fellows you would want to meet.....their music is very sparse and haunting.....i'm waiting for them to do a fest in CROATIA.....also kris, your fest sounds like it will be really great, wish i could make it!.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_2bc.6708aea.3145ab33_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/12/06 10:02:53 AM, khartung@cableone.net writes:


I really like the gui= tar/trumpet duo format,


kris.....you should also check out TRIANGULIZONA "LOOP PROJECT" www.trian= angulizona.com
two of the nicest fellows you would want to meet.....their music is very spa= rse and haunting.....i'm waiting for them to do a fest in CROATIA.....also k= ris, your fest sounds like it will be really great, wish i could make it!...= ..mic



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 --part1_2bc.6708aea.3145ab33_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 17:03:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E11493BF0F; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,185,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="97723931:sNHT28493212" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-667051509 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Old Lurker, New Poster..... Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:03:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:03:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-667051509 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Welcome aboard Jeff! Well, I know you've actualy subscribed (on and off again) for a while but it's great to see you de-lurk. Now, if we can just get Dr. Bob to =20= (LOL). Let me say it publically. Jeff is a tremendous talent, a real human =20 being and one of my best friends in all of the whole world. Welcome my friend. I'm looking forward to Boise too -- for both our "bad ass duo" on Friday and our "bad ass trio" with Rick Walker on Saturday. I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing EVERYONE there as a matter of =20= fact. I've only seen/heard Kris do solo stuff live. It'll be great to see him =20= in a group context. Also looking forward to seeing/hearing Lumper/Splittter again. Joe and Lucio are great musicians (and great guys) too who add a certain amount of full-tilt madness to any event. It's gonna be great! tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? On Mar 12, 2006, at 12:39 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Howdy, > > I've been an on-again/off-again member of this list, mostly lurked in =20= > the past. I signed onto the list again, and I thought I'd introduce =20= > myself, as I'll be at the Boise Festival playing a duo with the =20 > marvelous/fantastic Ted Killian AND in trio with Ted Killian and Rick =20= > Walker. I'm really looking forward to the Festival, and to meeting =20 > those of you that will be in attendance. (Thanks, Ted and Kris, for =20= > the invitation.) > > FYI, I use a looper built in max/msp (Andrew Pask wrote the core, I =20= > built my own interface), I left behind my two DL4s....they just =20 > started weighing too much on the road! If you'd like to hear a sample =20= > of my work, you can check out a mp3 from my latest album, The Choir =20= > Boys with Stings, done with Andrew, Steuart Liebig and GE Stinson (we =20= > all use loopers....at different times) at: > > http://www.pfmentum.com > > Looking forward to being more a part of the community and chatting =20 > with everyone, especially that guy Steve whats-his-name from =20 > London....oh yeah, Lawson! (You out there, Steve? I'm mixing, really!) = =20 > (Those of you that don't know Steve, should really check out his =20 > music!)... > > Best, > > Jeff > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > http://www.myspace.com/jeffkaisermusic --Apple-Mail-1-667051509 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Welcome aboard Jeff! Well, I know you've actualy subscribed (on and off again) for a while=20 but it's great to see you de-lurk. Now, if we can just get Dr. Bob to (LOL). Let me say it publically. Jeff is a tremendous talent, a real human being and one of my best friends in all of the whole world. Welcome my friend. I'm looking forward to Boise too -- for both our "bad ass duo" on Friday=20 and our "bad ass trio" with Rick Walker on Saturday. I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing EVERYONE there as a matter of fact. I've only seen/heard Kris do solo stuff live. It'll be great to see him in a group context. Also looking forward to seeing/hearing Lumper/Splittter again. Joe and Lucio are great musicians (and great guys) too who add a certain amount of full-tilt madness to any event. It's gonna be great! tEd =AE kiLLiAn 807F,807F,807F"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? On Mar 12, 2006, at 12:39 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: Howdy, I've been an on-again/off-again member of this list, mostly lurked in the past. I signed onto the list again, and I thought I'd introduce myself, as I'll be at the Boise Festival playing a duo with the marvelous/fantastic Ted Killian AND in trio with Ted Killian and Rick Walker. I'm really looking forward to the Festival, and to meeting those of you that will be in attendance. (Thanks, Ted and Kris, for the invitation.) FYI, I use a looper built in max/msp (Andrew Pask wrote the core, I built my own interface), I left behind my two DL4s....they just started weighing too much on the road! If you'd like to hear a sample of my work, you can check out a mp3 from my latest album, The Choir Boys with Stings, done with Andrew, Steuart Liebig and GE Stinson (we all use loopers....at different times) at: http://www.pfmentum.com Looking forward to being more a part of the community and chatting with everyone, especially that guy Steve whats-his-name from London....oh yeah, Lawson! (You out there, Steve? I'm mixing, really!) (Those of you that don't know Steve, should really check out his music!)... Best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com http://www.myspace.com/jeffkaisermusic --Apple-Mail-1-667051509-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 18:09:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 761FF3BEFF; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <2bc.6708aea.3145ab33@aol.com> References: <2bc.6708aea.3145ab33@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1678B73E-08D0-4B0F-B478-31727C7C3981@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: guitar/trumpet duo Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:09:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:09:45 +0000 (UTC) On 12 mar 2006, at 17.49, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > kris.....you should also check out TRIANGULIZONA "LOOP PROJECT" =20 > www.trianangulizona.com > two of the nicest fellows you would want to meet.....their music is =20= > very sparse and haunting..... Agreed! I too enjoyed hearing them play in Z=FCrich. > i'm waiting for them to do a fest in CROATIA.....also kris, your =20 > fest sounds like it will be really great, wish i could make =20 > it!.....mic You should go there Michael, you lucky bastard at least being on the =20 same continent!!!! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?=20 id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 18:20:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1DFC3BF14; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAKrzE0SCEoJ+gnos Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060312181113.0282a600@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:18:41 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: LXP5 Problem - Stereo Output Now Mono In-Reply-To: <20060312150248.899603BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060312150248.899603BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:20:19 +0000 (UTC) At 15:02 12/03/06, you wrote: >I'm having some problems with my Lexicon LXP5. It seems to be >producing a mono output even though I'm using both L and R outputs >to my board, hi Kris, Possibly it's this (I don't know the LXP5, but other Lex stuff has similar problems) Likely there's a "switch" which is activated when a jack is inserted, in order to change from mono to stereo connection. these become tarnished and cease to function correctly, but will work again if the contacts are cleaned. ...don't know though, because usually that fault produces the exact opposite result (you don't get both channels when iserting just one jack). Can't hurt to clean the sockets anyway, who knows, that might fix it. andy butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 18:26:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD5EF3BF18; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03ec01c64602$81dd22f0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <2bc.6708aea.3145ab33@aol.com> <1678B73E-08D0-4B0F-B478-31727C7C3981@boysen.se> Subject: Re: guitar/trumpet duo Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:26:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 500, in=251010, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Depending on how this first festival goes, next year, I'll be expanding the it to include more folks from around the country, and world. If I can get 200-300 people to show at this one, multi-national will be very promising. I'm doing as much promotion as any other pro act that comes into down, so we'll see. This experimental festival is an experiment unto itself! Kris ----- Original Message ----- On 12 mar 2006, at 17.49, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i'm waiting for them to do a fest in CROATIA.....also kris, your fest > sounds like it will be really great, wish i could make it!.....mic You should go there Michael, you lucky bastard at least being on the same continent!!!! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 19:33:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3D8B3BF14; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <039901c645e6$0427f540$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <039901c645e6$0427f540$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Old Lurker, New Poster..... Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:33:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:33:18 +0000 (UTC) > quite sophisticated "for Boise," but I've learned in putting together=20= > this event that Boise is no more or less progressive in terms of folks=20= > playing experimental, avant-garde, or free improv music than any other=20= > place, relative to the population...that would be a comment in light=20= > of per capita stats. There a lot of folks coming out of the woodwork=20= > playing music I never thought existed here. I just needed to provide a=20= > major venue to bring them together. This is so true. When first starting our series/festival in Ventura, CA=20= in the late 80s, I was quite surprised to see the people also "coming=20 out of the woodwork" to both perform and listen (That is how I met Ted=20= Killian). Another friend in Bakersfield, CA (known for oilfields and=20 agriculture) started running a series a few years ago....and people=20 come out to hear and participate. Performers and audience are out=20 there, it is just a matter of connecting...and it sounds like you've=20 done it in Boise. Very cool. I think this is so important, for the=20 evolution of culture, to get rid of the myth that art can only be done=20= on a high level in the "big cities" Such as NYC, LA, and SF. It can be=20= done anywhere. The Loopers-Delight list seems to have many members who prove this=20 regularly. Is this OT now...? My apologies... Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 20:47:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE6703BF0E; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: in praise of EDP Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:47:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Dear List, Those of you who have seen me play know that I have been a Repeater user and advocate for some time. If it hadn't been for my brother Rick's generosity, I might never have started using one, as he bought me one as a result of a friend of his gifting him some money. Just recently Rick gave me his broken white face EDP, telling me I could have as long as I got it fixed. Well I got it fixed, and with the help and generosity of Andy Butler, I was able to side step the midi programming learning curve associated with getting the EDP to work with an FCB1010. I must say, all of the rumors are true :) The EDP is an amazing tool, that makes spontaneous flow and composition so much easier than what I have experienced with the Repeater. I still love the Repeater, and all of the cool pitch shifting, time stretching, and great midi implementation, but it is not nearly the spontaneous creation machine that the EDP is. I think one of the reasons I avoided getting one, is because every one else and his or her dog was using one, and I was trying to steer clear of everyone else's looping methodology, but I realize now more than ever that, it aint the tools, its the mechanic (so to speak). I am also realizing that some of the things I avoided about the EDP don't really bother me at all, its mono operation, the sampling rate, etc... yes it would be great to have better band width, and headroom, and full stereo operation, but with Looperlative just around the corner, that will be a reality soon enough. But even then, I think the EDP will stand on its own, because it is a very deep machine, and it has its own personality, and its own set of functions. It also works wonderfully in tandem with my Repeater, and lately I have been creating loops on the EDP, and then resampling those loops with the Repeater for some truly amazing sounds. I'm having a second renaissance with looping, after having gone through a period of boredom, where I felt like I had exhausted every loop strategy I could think of, and had run out of ideas. So thanks Rick and Andy, and to all the folks who had a hand in designing the EDP, its helping me to recapture the joy of looping. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 21:08:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 216FC3BF1F; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <040401c64616$12a8e040$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <039901c645e6$0427f540$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <040401c64616$12a8e040$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <2142f795f3d3e24e704af29d305029a1@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Old Lurker, New Poster..... Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:08:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <4bpAjB.A.fNH.02IFEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:08:05 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 12, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Hey Jeff, can you send me a few links to your sound clips? > > Kris Sure. FYI, All of the following were recorded direct, with no=20 overdubs.....I love electronics.... The Choir Boys with Strings: http://www.pfmentum.com/sounds/PFMCD037_7.mp3 The Choir Boys: http://www.pfmentum.com/sounds/wheelingrebus.mp3 http://www.pfmentum.com/sounds/dimeffigies.mp3 Some unreleased rough mixes (Will be out in May): quarter-tone trumpet/electric guitar Duo with Tom McNalley (sample 3=20 has more looping than the others, 1 is pretty aggressive=20 electronically) http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com/kais_mc_1.mp3 http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com/kais_mc_2.mp3 http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com/kais_mc_3.mp3 And some non-electronic stuff from my Alchemical Mass for "big band"=20 and Choir: http://www.pfmentum.com/sounds/introitus.mp3 http://www.pfmentum.com/sounds/kyrie.mp3 Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 21:19:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 243173BF1F; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:19:47 -0500 Subject: Looping in Grand Rapids in a week... Any of us there? From: todd reynolds To: LD Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Looping in Grand Rapids in a week... Any of us there? Thread-Index: AcZGGrBy7xumCLINEdq4cAAKldLXPg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3225025193_10428395" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:19:56 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3225025193_10428395 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, I was wondering if any of us on the list are close to grand rapids, michigan. I=B9ll be in residence at Grand Valley State University fo= r a week, beginning the 19th, looping my heart out. Anybody close with whom I could visit? T. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --B_3225025193_10428395 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Looping in Grand Rapids in a week... Any of us there? Hi folks, I was wonder= ing if any of us on the list are close to grand rapids, michigan.  I= 217;ll be in residence at Grand Valley State University for a week, beginnin= g the 19th, looping my heart out.  

Anybody close with whom I could visit?

T.

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 --B_3225025193_10428395-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 22:43:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C58123BF1B; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4414A567.8070503@Hevanet.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:49:11 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: in praise of EDP References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:43:24 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: > Dear List, > Those of you who have seen me play know that I have been a Repeater user >and advocate for some time. If it hadn't been for my brother Rick's >generosity, I might never have started using one, (...)I'm having a second renaissance with looping, after having gone >through a period of boredom, where I felt like I had exhausted every loop >strategy I could think of, and had run out of ideas. > Fun, fun, fun! Both Repeater and EDP have their uniquenesses, but here's something I've been doing with EDP recently with it's re-definable loop length: take a rather bland/open 4/4 beat loop, all in the I chord (but pleasantly ambiguous!), and go to next loop, copying on the fly with Multiply, doing an immediate overdubbing, forcing 3/4 time, with other chords (like I, IV, V, whatever). Presto! quite a change, with some potentially interesting serendipity...and the original is waiting for you to return to the 4/4. (Obviously, you can get fancier with the beats/measure!) (I know this pales in comparison to what some of our loop-masters are doing, but hope this fits in as meaningful info!) David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 12 23:45:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AD953BF1E; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <4414A567.8070503@Hevanet.com> References: <4414A567.8070503@Hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <55AB0A15-68AA-4FA8-9869-AD1093B80458@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: in praise of EDP Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:45:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-f6QAD.A.ixF.EKLFEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:45:08 +0000 (UTC) > William Walker wrote: > >> Dear List, 8< 8< 8< 8<...... Dear William Walker, I confess that I agree. The EDP rocks my world! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 13 01:11:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB7A73BF21; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: in praise of EDP Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:11:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <55AB0A15-68AA-4FA8-9869-AD1093B80458@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Yes, i feel like a cave man with it at this point, but then again, that is half the fun. i'm looking at the manual right now which I downloaded off the web, Oh boy here we go... and having just found a copy of Guitar Player with the great coverage of Looping, and mentions of and quotes from Matthias, Andre, Andy,Kim, AmyX, and Rick, Congrats to all. A very flattering and positive veiw of what we do.. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: in praise of EDP > William Walker wrote: > >> Dear List, 8< 8< 8< 8<...... Dear William Walker, I confess that I agree. The EDP rocks my world! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 13 01:46:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2C503BF1F; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-698472315 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: in praise of EDP Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:47:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:46:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-698472315 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi all, I have to admit, the EDP is the one piece of kit that I've held on to =20= about the longest and gotten the most amount of good out of (since, '96 just before I =20 joined this list) at one go. I keep finding new stuff to do with it and I'm only still just using =20 Loop III (the old software). Silly me, I've had the chips for the new software for a few years now =20= and have just never gotten around to installing 'em -- hope they work when I do get around =20= to it (LOL). I got a pair on day one and have used 'em singly and paired for stereo =20= in various different gear configurations the whole time. They have a lot of loop =20= mileage on them and I never get tired of finding some new wrinkle in what they can =20= do. I sure wish I'd been able to pick the brains of a few folks who are no longer =20= with us (on the list that is) to get a little deeper knowledge when they were =20= passing through.. I hate manuals. I tend to read 'em and only get more confused. I =20 suppose that's why I haven't installed the Loop IV software in my EDPs yet. I don't =20 want to read another doggone tome and start at "square one" all over again -- which =20= is what seems to happen whenever I buy some new piece of kit or upgrade some old piece with new chips. Gotta learn where everything is all over again. Sometimes a body just wants to stay put and learn what one already has, =20= thoroughly, before moving on. I have to learn new software all the time for work. I =20= don't like music making to be like that . . . continually hard and a pain thin the =20= butt. tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-4-698472315 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, I have to admit, the EDP is the one piece of kit that I've held on to about the longest and gotten the most amount of good out of (since, '96 just before I joined this list) at one go. I keep finding new stuff to do with it and I'm only still just using Loop III (the old software). Silly me, I've had the chips for the new software for a few years now and have just never=20 gotten around to installing 'em -- hope they work when I do get around to it (LOL). I got a pair on day one and have used 'em singly and paired for stereo in various different gear configurations the whole time. They have a lot of loop mileage on=20 them and I never get tired of finding some new wrinkle in what they can do. I sure wish I'd been able to pick the brains of a few folks who are no longer with us (on the list that is) to get a little deeper knowledge when they were passing through..=20 I hate manuals. I tend to read 'em and only get more confused. I suppose that's why I haven't installed the Loop IV software in my EDPs yet. I don't want to read=20 another doggone tome and start at "square one" all over again -- which is what=20 seems to happen whenever I buy some new piece of kit or upgrade some old=20 piece with new chips. Gotta learn where everything is all over again. Sometimes a body just wants to stay put and learn what one already has, thoroughly, before moving on. I have to learn new software all the time for work. I don't like music making to be like that . . . continually hard and a pain thin the butt.=20 tEd =AE kiLLiAn 807E,807E,807E"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-4-698472315-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 13 04:12:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C322E3BF24; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 04:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , , "The Ambient Way" Subject: the PiNG presents Michael Keith and Friends (David Sait, Joel Allen & Colin Fisher) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:13:01 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c64654$6b7206f0$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 04:12:38 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station) Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS Tuesday March 14th . Michael Keith and Friends CD Release . "the story of karl" by michaeL "The story of Karl" is the new cd by guitarist/improviser Michael Keith. Michael is a highly visible member of Toronto's rapidly growing experimental and improvised music scene. This CD (originally a 3 cd box, but now back to 1 !!) release event will feature music from and inspired by the cd and it's concept which is mostly improvised. The evening will unfold much like the cd with solo, duo and trio performances. Joining Michael will be experimental guzheng player David Sait(MCF), drummer Joel Allen, as well as guitarist/saxophonist Colin Fisher(I have eaten the city) on electric bass. The sounds on the new disc are all over the map. From power trio metal to soft, slow solo guitar ambience. Fans of noisy weird ass shit will enjoy it. Cd's will be available as well as small packages of ketchup. http://geocities.com/alexiteric . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Before Sets CD . INTONE by PHOLDE Rumbling in like a late winter arctic storm, we take a moment to reacquaint our ears to the sonic overtones of PHOLDE from this 2000 CD. Textural one of a kind packaging matches the ambience which unfolds from this disc. Don't miss Alan Bloor when he returns to the PiNG as PHOLDE on April 11th. Also on the bill that night will be Greg Lauzon for his first live performance with his recently built Spring Dulcimer, a Hammered Dulcimer like instrument except that it uses springs instead of wire strings. Don't miss it. http://www.theambientping.com/pholde/home.html http://www.greglauzon.com Between Sets CD . Re:Karma by Darshan Ambient Tonight we feature Michael Allison of Darshan Ambient who has released this fine compilation of work from earlier discs and unreleased tracks. Read more about it here in rik's *ping things* CD review below and hear it Tuesday @ the PiNG. http://www.darshanambient.net . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG Tuesday March 21st . Interweaver and NOT_digital Leif Bloomquist (Interweaver, Schema Factor) returns to the Ping; bringing with him a set of electro-ambience incorporating deep sonic drones, playful energetic synth sounds, and manipulated beats. Special guest madame HAIR will merge her evocative vocals to add an extra dimension to the music. http://www.leifbloomquist.net Braving the 401 to come in from Windsor ON, NOT_digital brings their organic electronica to the PiNG stage for the second set. NOT_digital is Erik Ingalls and NOT_digital live is Erik Ingalls: guitar, synth-guitar, keyboards & vocals and Stephen Hargreaves: bass, keyboards & backing vocals. The sounds pass from soothing through intense to crashing. The lyrics concern a questioning of modern values and of reality itself. http://www.myspace.com/notdigital http://notdigital.on.to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Darshan Ambient . "Re:Karma" Having had a career that has spanned over ten years, Michael Allison of Darshan Ambient has now released a compilation of work from earlier discs and unreleased tracks. "Re:Karma" is a fine collection of songs that show the breadth of his talent as well as introducing a side of his work that some fans might not be aware of. Fans of Darshan Ambient's ambient work will no doubt be impressed by tracks such as "The Ocean Whispers", "A Walk Along the Ganges" and "Slow Drift", beautiful pieces that are very much in keeping with the lush ambience of "Providence" and "The Zen Master's Diary". Of particular note is the previously unreleased track "The Cool River" which opens the disc, a track taken from 1994 where a slight melody plays over top a sustained background of pads. Serene, dreamlike, and beautiful in it's flow, "The Cool River" is a beautiful piece that stands with the best of his more ambient moments. Tracks like "Boundless" and "Tiger in the Grass" are slightly more indicative of the overall sound of the disc, percussion driven pieces where piano and synth lines float along the soundstream in chilled laid-back grooves. Of these more groove-based tracks, "Soul Chameleon" stands out as a complex percussive piece where shimmering tones and pads mingle and dance around each other. Very inspired. Without doubt, "Re:Karma" is an excellent collection, fully displaying the talents of a very accomplished and talented electronic artist. Both an excellent place for new fans to be introduced to the music of Darshan Ambient, and a place for older fans to become reacquainted. Highly recommended. "Re:Karma" by Darshan Ambient is available now at ping things! http://www.pingthings.com/DArekarma.htm rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Thursday March 16th . BOYS DO GIRLS Nine Great Male Singer/Songwriters singing the songs of their favourite Female Singer/Songwriters Russell DeCarle does Cindy Walker Michael Johnston does Dolly Parton Harrison Kennedy does Memphis Minnie Paul Reddick does Gillian Welch Justin Rutledge does Oh Susanna Bob Snider does Sylvia Tyson Kurt Swinghammer does Carole King David Wall does Laura Nyro with emcee Michael "A Man Called" Wrycraft 8:30pm sharp . Hugh's Room . $12 advance, $14 at door * Friday, March 17th . Leftover Daylight Series in association with Arraymusic and AIMT Tribute to Derek Bailey w/ colin fisher- guitar, justin haynes- guitar, michael keith- guitar, geordie haley- guitar, nilan perera- guitar, rob clutton- bass, nick fraser- drums 9pm . ARRAYMUSIC Studio 60 Atlantic Ave., Ste 218 . $10/6 * Saturday, March 18th . Mercer Union presents: Music Series, Programme #4 & #5 a double bill featuring the music of Josh Thorpe and John Mark Sherlock Josh Thorpe's part of the night contains two half-hour pieces. The first, a solo, will involve music boxes, objects, recordings, amplification, and unintelligible text by Gertrude Stein. The second (in three sections) involves Jennifer Castle and Anna Linda Siddall singing, Rob Clutton on double bass, Mike Kane on keyboard, and Josh on acoustic guitar. To produce this piece the band listens on headphones to Socrate, an old favourite by Erik Satie, and improvises to it as best they know how. John Mark Sherlock's portion of the evening will feature some new work played on a single organ stop of his own devising as well as another less recent piece called salvage/wrecking. 9PM . Mercer Union, A Centre for Contemporary Art 37 Lisgar Street . Free * Sunday, March 19th . AIMToronto presents a workshop on grants and the grant-writing process One of the goals of AIMToronto is to raise the profile of the Toronto improvised music community, nationally and locally. By applying for more grants, we increase the visibility of this type of activity within the existing music infra-structure. By presenting this workshop/panel discussion, AIMToronto hopes to encourage everyone in the improvised/experimental music community to seek funding for their projects. The discussion will be followed by a Q&A. panel discussion: "Experimental/Improvised Music and the Canadian Arts Granting Agencies" with Jean Martin (drummer, composer), Nick Fraser (drummer, composer) and Brenda House (Music Officer for the Toronto Arts Council) 2pm . NOW Lounge, 189 Church St. * Sunday, March 19th . The NOW Series presented by AIMT and the NOW Lounge 4:00 - Aldcroft / Wilson / Keith w/ ken aldcroft- guitar, john wilson- guitar, michael keith- guitar 5:00- Michelangelo / Bailey / Yue w/ michelangelo- home-made instruments, jim bailey- amplified objects, any yue- synth 6:00-PST w/ nilan perera- guitar, joe sorbara- drums, scott thomson- trombone 4pm . NOW Lounge, 189 Church St. . $6 * Sunday March 19th . Creative Improvisation Workshops Four 3-hour sessions, starting Sunday March 5th, running each Sunday in March, from Noon to 3p.m. Recital April 2nd, 1pm. The focus of the workshop is to encourage musicians to experience the combination of latitude and discipline that distinguishes free improvisation, and to provide them with information about the resources available to them as improvisors. Emphasis is placed on the development of listening skills through playing and the material covered considers music in a comprehensive manner. Open to musicians of all levels and backgrounds, the workshop gives a clearer understanding of the process and a greater appreciation of the art of improvisation. The workshop is organized into 4 3-hour sessions, which culminate in a hour-long recital. The recital is professionally recorded, and copies made available to participants. Participation is open to musicians at all levels. You should plan on attending all four sessions and playing the recital. Cost is $100 per person. All sessions to be held at Studio 4, 60 Atlantic Ave. (southeast of King and Dufferin) Toronto. To register, or for more information, Contact: Victor Bateman- tel: 416-534-7918 email- v.bateman@sympatico.ca Presented in affiliation with the Association of Improvising Musicians, Toronto. * Monday March 20th . Marcel Au Coin trio Marcel Au Coin keyboards Chris Banks bass Jake Oelrichs drums 8pm . Dominion on Queen . 500 Queen St. E. (1 light east of parliament) . $5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from around the world, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 13 12:30:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCA0F3BF32; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441565D9.7000505@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:30:17 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: electro-harmonix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Hello, as I'm new to the list I don't know if this new gear has already been discussed here... electro-harmonix 2880 Super Multitrack Looper (see ehx.com for more) Does anybody know anything about the price for this? Seems as if compact flash is coming up strong; think it's a pity that the RC50 doesn't feature CF. Greetings from Germany, Dirk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 13 16:58:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27A223BF26; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matilists@atarde.com.br@pop3.atarde.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:58:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: in praise of EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2006 16:58:28.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[598C42A0:01C646BF] Resent-Message-ID: <8UVVG.A.t4.3SaFEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:58:31 +0000 (UTC) oh, dear Ted, I know, we also delayed the change to OSX, but then when we did it, it was worth the effort, right? but Loop IV does not force you to do anything different, we kept all the old functions. There may be some minor details that could cause a surprise. but first you will love that there is a display for FeedBack :-) enjoy! Matthias > >I hate manuals. I tend to read 'em and only get more confused. I >suppose that's >why I haven't installed the Loop IV software in my EDPs yet. I don't >want to read >another doggone tome and start at "square one" all over again -- which is what >seems to happen whenever I buy some new piece of kit or upgrade some old >piece with new chips. Gotta learn where everything is all over again. > >Sometimes a body just wants to stay put and learn what one already >has, thoroughly, >before moving on. I have to learn new software all the time for >work. I don't like >music making to be like that . . . continually hard and a pain thin the butt. > >tEd ® kiLLiAn -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 13 17:04:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EDC83BF2E; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <22093815.1142269444681.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:04:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: in praise of EDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Hey Matthias! Congratulations on your picture in Guitar Player magazine. It= is good to finally have a face to connect to the name, however old the pic= ture may be ;-) They definitely gave you and several of our past and present members some m= uch-deserved adulation. ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Matthias Grob >Sent: Mar 13, 2006 11:58 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: in praise of EDP > >oh, dear Ted, >I know, we also delayed the change to OSX, but then when we did it,=20 >it was worth the effort, right? > >but Loop IV does not force you to do anything different, we kept all=20 >the old functions. There may be some minor details that could cause a=20 >surprise. >but first you will love that there is a display for FeedBack :-) > >enjoy! >Matthias > >> >>I hate manuals. I tend to read 'em and only get more confused. I=20 >>suppose that's >>why I haven't installed the Loop IV software in my EDPs yet. I don't=20 >>want to read >>another doggone tome and start at "square one" all over again -- which is= what >>seems to happen whenever I buy some new piece of kit or upgrade some old >>piece with new chips. Gotta learn where everything is all over again. >> >>Sometimes a body just wants to stay put and learn what one already=20 >>has, thoroughly, >>before moving on. I have to learn new software all the time for=20 >>work. I don't like >>music making to be like that . . . continually hard and a pain thin the b= utt. >> >>tEd =AE kiLLiAn > >--=20 > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 13 17:34:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 394C83BF34; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matilists@atarde.com.br@pop3.atarde.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <22093815.1142269444681.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <22093815.1142269444681.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:34:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: in praise of EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2006 17:34:26.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[60446FF0:01C646C4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:34:30 +0000 (UTC) oh, great! the article does not seem to be online yet... I sent a extremely recent picture to the editor on request but he may have picked any other picture from my site, where you see me too many times, at all ages (rather ridiculous, I will change it soon and give more enphasis to the music sample page :-) >Hey Matthias! Congratulations on your picture in Guitar Player >magazine. It is good to finally have a face to connect to the name, >however old the picture may be ;-) >They definitely gave you and several of our past and present members >some much-deserved adulation. >~Tim > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 13 18:14:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBFD43BF3D; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q9A9f15GW9RGkE/dUy788JgSpQMjunx6c03i48iQFkLLH98oYOftueg5aXyzsilys3qM/+jvsu9zNWAxFFA58xUjpnkh0kr1V8+b1CrjwmOizCk40Vrg5R0fctjhOF9YEhd6Eg78PRwUg3BPngGXJoL+HGrBfgsh+mCo6RHyxBw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:14:25 -0500 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: in praise of EDP In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <22093815.1142269444681.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:14:27 +0000 (UTC) I need a 2nd EDP (newer Gibson with Loop IV perfered)! On 3/13/06, Matthias Grob wrote: > oh, great! the article does not seem to be online yet... > I sent a extremely recent picture to the editor on request > but he may have picked any other picture from my site, where you see > me too many times, at all ages (rather ridiculous, I will change it > soon and give more enphasis to the music sample page :-) > > > >Hey Matthias! Congratulations on your picture in Guitar Player > >magazine. It is good to finally have a face to connect to the name, > >however old the picture may be ;-) > >They definitely gave you and several of our past and present members > >some much-deserved adulation. > >~Tim > > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 13 20:08:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A6203BF2E; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:08:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 207.215.251.146 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: pukunui Message-ID: <4415D128.40807@theokcorral.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:08:08 -0800 From: Wyatt User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Eventide H8000 for sale References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:08:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys, I'm an old lurker/poster just back recently. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 13 21:32:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57AF43BF2A; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060313201828.PVOS16267.amsfep19-int.chello.nl@amsfep19-int> References: <20060313201828.PVOS16267.amsfep19-int.chello.nl@amsfep19-int> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: ---> for Weg Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:31:57 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Weg, When mailing you at my mails have been bouncing back twice. Just want you to know why you may not have received my answer on the private mail "Mobius on Windows vs. SooperLooper on Linux". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 00:05:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D658D3BF35; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [63.157.164.111] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:03:37 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ---> for Weg X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J4b1a.027aS.0784M" Message-Id: <20060313.160437.8180.480171@webmail61.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3141681260 X-MAIL-INFO:5c8558e1993d319935353d750575ac45d5bd49fc8d29287d0c8d859cc579b80cbdcd0c4115813c3111f975ed71e1b975 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5B6m3pKz27/URuhh7s3+bOG/FjkqKmqYTA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.201|webmail61.nyc.untd.com|webmail61.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:05:19 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J4b1a.027aS.0784M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Thanks Per, I did not receive them, try theweg@netzero.com if you don't = mind and let me know the outcome. I had trouble sending to the list as = .com so I switched it to match what I see when I log into my email. = Thanks, Weg ----__JWM__J4b1a.027aS.0784M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

Thanks Per, I did not receive them, try theweg@netzero.com if you don't mind and let me know = the outcome.  I had trouble sending to the list as .com so I switch= ed it to match what I see when I log into my email.

 

Thanks,

Weg

----__JWM__J4b1a.027aS.0784M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 00:22:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 417E43BF40; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [63.157.164.111] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:21:44 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: in praise of EDP X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J1156.1f47S.06c8M" Message-Id: <20060313.162146.23743.478291@webmail38.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3141681260 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5B6m3pKz27/UW4CViv7MWerRcMRWShEaqA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.178|webmail38.nyc.untd.com|webmail38.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: <2WpltB.A.fAH.IzgFEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:22:33 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J1156.1f47S.06c8M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Ditto, I love my two EDP's, "The Beige & The Black" = Weg ----__JWM__J1156.1f47S.06c8M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

Ditto,  I love my two EDP's, "The Beige & The Black"

 

Weg

----__JWM__J1156.1f47S.06c8M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 00:28:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AC8C3BF44; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:36:28 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: MySpace is for Loopers too! To: Message-id: <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C646D5.6C83E780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:28:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C646D5.6C83E780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I finally joined the MySpace generation. I'm not sure what I will = mean. I'm not sure it needs to mean anything. =20 If you're curious about my Looping and suchlike, pop over to: = http://www.myspace.com/undomusic If you're already on MySpace, let me know! David Kirkdorffer ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C646D5.6C83E780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I finally joined the MySpace = generation.  I'm not=20 sure what I will mean.  I'm not sure it needs to mean = anything. =20
 
If you're curious about my Looping and suchlike, = pop over to:=20 http://www.myspace.com/undomusi= c
 
If you're already on MySpace, let me=20 know!
 
David = Kirkdorffer
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C646D5.6C83E780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 01:33:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2047E3BF3B; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:32:58 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: in praise of EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44161D4A.1050808@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: <7rnOjB.A.8OC.Q1hFEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:33:04 +0000 (UTC) >> I haven't installed the Loop IV software in my EDPs yet. I don't want >> to read another doggone tome and start at "square one" all over again I've barely scratched the surface of what's possible with my Axon/Repeater/Fantom rack, and totally agree... Even the relatively modest upgrade of my Axon recently is like learning a new instrument when I was just getting my arms around the (then) current incarnation. Thank goodness for user memory locations. And the new Axon editor! On a somewhat-related note: can anyone tell me if the FCB1010 programming utility is any good? Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 01:56:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7983F3BF3F; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:56:14 -0400 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <441622BE.2040803@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_IFs4T8xpueoOkM1t2ZZAag)" X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:56:42 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_IFs4T8xpueoOkM1t2ZZAag) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Well, I finally joined the MySpace generation. I'm not sure what I > will mean. I'm not sure it needs to mean anything. > > If you're curious about my Looping and suchlike, pop over to: > http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > If you're already on MySpace, let me know! > > David Kirkdorffer http://myspace.com/andrewduke Who else? Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com --Boundary_(ID_IFs4T8xpueoOkM1t2ZZAag) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT David Kirkdorffer wrote:
Well, I finally joined the MySpace generation.  I'm not sure what I will mean.  I'm not sure it needs to mean anything. 
 
If you're curious about my Looping and suchlike, pop over to: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic
 
If you're already on MySpace, let me know!
 
David Kirkdorffer
http://myspace.com/andrewduke

Who else?

Andrew


-- 
Andrew Duke
scoring/sound design/source
http://andrew-duke.com
http://myspace.com/andrewduke
Cognition Audioworks label
[Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark]
http://cognitionaudioworks.com

--Boundary_(ID_IFs4T8xpueoOkM1t2ZZAag)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 02:15:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89FA53BF27; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=er9MQemciqEGrRlSvBp62+hbayUuJ5ie7i7eHyBu+RXo5xKOBHVYD3TDhM6AU11YG29Vh5MWT3rp4Kv6InqAOfLXROqkKwqOWJsGdXTVcUZHhEmu3FnN/BVnTTNvpNexkA8ftmga+NsMWGgcpk3ghUOAoaM1D8gfDvErnWv70pc= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730603131815o3843ec24ia99cd7437cacb2f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:15:08 -0500 From: "Clint Allen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! In-Reply-To: <441622BE.2040803@andrew-duke.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10310_31542765.1142302508749" References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> <441622BE.2040803@andrew-duke.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:15:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10310_31542765.1142302508749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline http://www.myspace.com/clintallen when MySpace is actually up/running, of course... Clint On 3/13/06, Andrew Duke wrote: > > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > Well, I finally joined the MySpace generation. I'm not sure what I will > mean. I'm not sure it needs to mean anything. > > If you're curious about my Looping and suchlike, pop over to: > http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > If you're already on MySpace, let me know! > > David Kirkdorffer > http://myspace.com/andrewduke > > Who else? > > Andrew > > > -- > Andrew Duke > scoring/sound design/source > http://andrew-duke.com > http://myspace.com/andrewduke > Cognition Audioworks label > [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] > http://cognitionaudioworks.com > > > ------=_Part_10310_31542765.1142302508749 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline http://www.myspace.com/clinta= llen

when MySpace is actually up/running, of course...

Clint

On 3/13/06, Andrew Duke <= andrew@andrew-duke.com> wrote:
=20 David Kirkdorffer wrote:
=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20
Well, I finally joined the MySpace generation.  I'm not sure what I will mean.  I'm not sure it needs to mean anythin= g. 
=20
 
=20
If you're curious about my Looping and suchlike, pop over to: http://www.myspa= ce.com/undomusic
=20
 
=20
If you're already on MySpace, let me= know!
=20
 
=20
David Kirkdorffer


-- 
Andrew Duke
scoring/sound design/sourc=
e
http://andrew-duke.com

http://myspace.com/andrewduke
Cognition Audioworks label
[Andrew =
Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark]

http://cognitionaudioworks.com


------=_Part_10310_31542765.1142302508749-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 02:23:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C5BD3BF35; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-786783522 Message-Id: <489aee9d9dbbb456705abd0719d6459c@finleysound.com> From: Matthew F.McCabe Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:19:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 66.248.87.103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:23:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-786783522 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Still not sure why I need another page to maintain...but I'm there too. http://www.myspace.com/kingnevermusic Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com --Apple-Mail-1-786783522 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Arial Still not sure why I need another page to maintain...but I'm there too. http://www.myspace.com/kingnevermusic Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com --Apple-Mail-1-786783522-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 02:33:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CB713BF42; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <441622BE.2040803@andrew-duke.com> References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> <441622BE.2040803@andrew-duke.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:33:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:33:49 +0000 (UTC) > http://myspace.com/andrewduke > > Who else? > > Andrew I'm there..... http://www.myspace.com/jeffkaisermusic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 02:53:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C5913BF40; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c64712$cf787800$6eb95545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> <441622BE.2040803@andrew-duke.com> Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:55:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <9cChfD.A.TLG.gAjFEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Me tooz... page is pretty new, and I'm trying to rotate stuff in weekly with my feeble dialup account. www.myspace.com/biffozz Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing "Rough" www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 02:58:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7CE83BF43; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0QgYg+yVe3+/2dKZhVRNrSY9Os72T4fpyTQtnxQ/V7SZHijWfSoqTv/DRY1oQlLhOqjznbJlLnOlH1TpKlPrNCqh0Cm89UVUFNd7vaJ+aFX3TIWyZ6mAc3qVsVYdhl8UmHVod70PDiskZymyGYyPCgk2KoN2++13IWegpNTKXTU= ; Message-ID: <20060314025832.79134.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:58:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <441622BE.2040803@andrew-duke.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:58:33 +0000 (UTC) --- Andrew Duke wrote: > Who else? I'm there. (see sig file) -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 03:14:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 504EC3BF4A; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1791f8873fb60a1fe16c671cdd57b07f@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:14:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:14:30 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 13, 2006, at 6:36 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > If you're already on MySpace, let me know! i actually started a myspace group as a directory for LD members who have myspace spaces: http://groups.myspace.com/loopersdelight you should join. it is voluntary-only ... i sent out invitations when i started it only to get the ball rolling. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 05:13:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 488983BF05; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <051101c64725$f59088d0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:12:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_050E_01C646EB.48605710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 498, in=238406, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:13:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_050E_01C646EB.48605710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent. I just added a friend request to your inbox. Here's mine: http://www.myspace.com/krispenhartung (now that I figured = out the shorter URL) Now, the bigger question, what are we all going to do with these network = of friends on myspace? So far it seems fairly ineffectual. Are we = planning a looper's conspiracy? Will we get something advantageous out = of this maze of data points connected in cyberspace? Or are we just = populating are days with more internet administration? :) Kris Well, I finally joined the MySpace generation. I'm not sure what I = will mean. I'm not sure it needs to mean anything. =20 If you're curious about my Looping and suchlike, pop over to: = http://www.myspace.com/undomusic If you're already on MySpace, let me know! David Kirkdorffer ------=_NextPart_000_050E_01C646EB.48605710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Excellent. I just added a friend = request to your=20 inbox.
 
Here's mine: http://www.myspace.com/kri= spenhartung (now=20 that I figured out the shorter URL)
 
Now, the bigger question, what are we = all going to=20 do with these network of friends on myspace? So far it seems fairly = ineffectual.=20 Are we planning a looper's conspiracy?  Will we get something = advantageous=20 out of this maze of data points connected in cyberspace?  Or are we = just=20 populating are days with more internet administration? :)
 
Kris
 

Well, I finally joined the MySpace = generation.  I'm=20 not sure what I will mean.  I'm not sure it needs to mean = anything. =20
 
If you're curious about my Looping and suchlike, = pop over=20 to: http://www.myspace.com/undomusi= c
 
If you're already on MySpace, let me=20 know!
 
David=20 Kirkdorffer
------=_NextPart_000_050E_01C646EB.48605710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 05:24:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8BA03BF18; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <051101c64725$f59088d0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> <051101c64725$f59088d0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <04334b07f7e4cc0eb47bf9356556e9b8@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:24:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:24:09 +0000 (UTC) > So far it seems fairly ineffectual. Ah, but now we are not just starving artists. We are highly listened-to starving artists......! Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 05:34:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32FC33BF3B; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <1791f8873fb60a1fe16c671cdd57b07f@suitandtieguy.com> References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> <1791f8873fb60a1fe16c671cdd57b07f@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-798493137 Message-Id: From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:34:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:34:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-798493137 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Me to!! Its for my label but its where I pimp my looping efforts. http://www.myspace.com/venetowestrecords Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-4-798493137 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Me to!! Its for my label but its where I pimp my looping efforts. http://www.myspace.com/venetowestrecords Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-4-798493137-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 06:06:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00BC73BF41; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <59203.24.22.37.130.1142316391.squirrel@www.zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> <441622BE.2040803@andrew-duke.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:06:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! From: cello@zoekeating.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - station030.station030.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32270 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zoekeating.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:06:30 +0000 (UTC) oh yes, all the kids are doin' it. terrible interface and flashing ads though. http://www.myspace.com/zoecello >> http://myspace.com/andrewduke >> >> Who else? >> >> Andrew > > I'm there..... > > http://www.myspace.com/jeffkaisermusic > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 06:14:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF4343BF3E; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f2hRETF0l/7pYMEuSNaVcouDLR1wy2m74ANz8loTG/JHMoIEyiP46xpYspene1Ptmq/Q1VCutx5f11pj15tUB4HXw2CTq0IgTdiulA1uDfWHKNoe6N8RN3NLwTbFm2qliUaMjlgNBtXtLDevHLrAjyBFELNKj+XLRfPtfTzgnbc= Message-ID: <64b81a780603132214w109c112al6fe1cd4d9fbeb3e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:14:03 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: in praise of EDP In-Reply-To: <44161D4A.1050808@Verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <44161D4A.1050808@Verizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-tkTrC.A.Y3H.s8lFEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:14:04 +0000 (UTC) On 3/13/06, Dan Ash wrote: > On a somewhat-related note: can anyone tell me if the FCB1010 > programming utility is any good? Dan, There are a number of different FCB editors available: several for the PC, at least one is Java (suitable for Mac, Linux, or PC), and there may be more I'm not familar with. They all basically do the same thing, but with different user interfaces. Try 'em out and pick the one that's right for you. Whichever you choose will be vastly easier than what has come to be known as the riverdance. (Though the riverdance is useful if you need to quickly tweak your setup on the fly.) Poke around the FCB1010 Yahoo Group for more info. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 06:17:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1DDF3BF48; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:24:52 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! To: Message-id: <001101c64730$014c0780$dc9fa344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C64706.17F759A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> <051101c64725$f59088d0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:17:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C64706.17F759A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought it was something to do while I wait for LD postings to pop = into my e-mail box... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! Excellent. I just added a friend request to your inbox. Here's mine: http://www.myspace.com/krispenhartung (now that I figured = out the shorter URL) Now, the bigger question, what are we all going to do with these = network of friends on myspace? So far it seems fairly ineffectual. Are = we planning a looper's conspiracy? Will we get something advantageous = out of this maze of data points connected in cyberspace? Or are we just = populating are days with more internet administration? :) Kris Well, I finally joined the MySpace generation. I'm not sure what I = will mean. I'm not sure it needs to mean anything. =20 If you're curious about my Looping and suchlike, pop over to: = http://www.myspace.com/undomusic If you're already on MySpace, let me know! David Kirkdorffer ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C64706.17F759A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I thought it was something to do while = I wait for=20 LD postings to pop into my e-mail box...
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 = 12:12=20 AM
Subject: Re: MySpace is for = Loopers=20 too!

Excellent. I just added a friend = request to your=20 inbox.
 
Here's mine: http://www.myspace.com/kri= spenhartung (now=20 that I figured out the shorter URL)
 
Now, the bigger question, what are we = all going=20 to do with these network of friends on myspace? So far it seems fairly = ineffectual. Are we planning a looper's conspiracy?  Will we get=20 something advantageous out of this maze of data points connected in=20 cyberspace?  Or are we just populating are days with more = internet=20 administration? :)
 
Kris
 

Well, I finally joined the MySpace = generation.  I'm=20 not sure what I will mean.  I'm not sure it needs to mean=20 anything. 
 
If you're curious about my Looping and = suchlike, pop over=20 to: http://www.myspace.com/undomusi= c
 
If you're already on MySpace, let = me=20 know!
 
David=20 Kirkdorffer
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C64706.17F759A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 06:24:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA3A93BF48; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <59609.24.22.37.130.1142317478.squirrel@www.zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <1791f8873fb60a1fe16c671cdd57b07f@suitandtieguy.com> References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> <1791f8873fb60a1fe16c671cdd57b07f@suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:24:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! From: cello@zoekeating.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - station030.station030.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32270 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zoekeating.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:24:37 +0000 (UTC) It's fun to see everyone's pictures up there! > > i actually started a myspace group as a directory for LD members who > have myspace spaces: http://groups.myspace.com/loopersdelight From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 06:38:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C9323BF4F; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,189,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="179009172:sNHT21550876" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060313223408.0107f440@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:38:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! In-Reply-To: <59609.24.22.37.130.1142317478.squirrel@www.zoekeating.com> References: <1791f8873fb60a1fe16c671cdd57b07f@suitandtieguy.com> <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> <1791f8873fb60a1fe16c671cdd57b07f@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:38:05 +0000 (UTC) OMG - you guys are so hip with your myspace and all! But I've found the next big thing and I'm on the leading edge with it: http://isolatr.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 06:57:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAC813BF48; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <44715A6C-C5F0-4040-B80F-069A1931F111@surfbest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Roberts Subject: MySpace for Loopers Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:43:31 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Well, I'm there as well, and I'm not too sure why, either=85yet. Richard Roberts ZERO OHMS "We are no longer the same after hearing certain sounds, and this is =20 more the case when we hear organized sounds, sounds organized by =20 another human being: music." - Karlheinz Stockhausen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 07:04:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FA183BF50; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: daren@darenburns.com via o5.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.052046 secs) Message-ID: <37412.66.245.199.123.1142319862.squirrel@www.darenburns.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:04:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! From: "Daren Burns" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: daren@darenburns.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Allow me to un-lurk for a moment, Hey Jeff (Kaiser), my group, with Koorosh, played after The Choir Boys at the Blu Monkey in December, you and Andrew sounded great. Oh yeah, I'm on myspace too. I feel like such a follower. http://www.myspace.com/darenburns re-lurk... -- Daren Burns Bass Player/Composer/Teacher/Good Guy http://www.darenburns.com http://www.darknumbers.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 07:30:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CF7A3BF51; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <441622BE.2040803@andrew-duke.com> References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> <441622BE.2040803@andrew-duke.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:30:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1069801067==_ma============" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:30:32 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1069801067==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:56 PM -0400 3/13/06, Andrew Duke wrote: >http://myspace.com/andrewduke > >Who else? http://www.myspace.com/davidgans Of the four songs I have up there, "Dawn's Early light" is a loop piece. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com --============_-1069801067==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: MySpace is for Loopers too!
At 9:56 PM -0400 3/13/06, Andrew Duke wrote:
http://myspace.com/andrewduke

Who else?

http://www.myspace.com/davidgans


Of the four songs I have up there, "Dawn's Early light" is a loop piece.





--

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://playback.trufun.com
--============_-1069801067==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 07:35:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EB323BF48; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: in praise of EDP Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:35:51 +0100 Message-ID: <009d01c64739$ebdd61a0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01C64742.4DA1C9A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060313.162146.23743.478291@webmail38.nyc.untd.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZHMyCoj4Ic5NpISb2fMU0cQRSpYAABrJgw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:35:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C64742.4DA1C9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Ditto, I love my two EDP's, "The Beige & The Black" are the beige and the black completely compatible? -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C64742.4DA1C9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> = Ditto, =20 I love my two EDP's, "The Beige & The Black" 
 
are the beige and the black completely = compatible?
 
-Michael 
------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C64742.4DA1C9A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 08:29:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2F133BF47; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8B34023F-12A5-4B95-B8C5-E8B938477B3C@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: MySpace stuff Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:29:34 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:29:40 +0000 (UTC) I've got two pages - me - http://www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson the Recycle Collective - http://www.myspace.com/therecyclecollective It's working quite well for me - I've sold a few CDs, and been offered some gigs through it, as well as having people turn up at gigs who found out about them through MySpace. Just a shame it's a) owned by that scumbag Murdoch and b) just about the ugliest interface of any website on the planet... ta ta! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 09:38:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 114B43BF54; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Looperlative MP3s Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:38:12 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I've recently uploaded a few MP3s to the Recycle Collective MySpace page - www.myspace.com/therecyclecollective - the first one is an older duet with Cleveland Watkiss, which was done with my two EDP setup. The other two are live tracks with Theo Travis, where I'm just using the Looperlative for loopage. Theo's using two DL4s. Enjoy! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 13:22:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBBCB3BF59; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [87.74.71.161] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:22:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2006 13:22:14.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F11F440:01C6476A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:22:16 +0000 (UTC) >>Who else? http://www.myspace.com/simeonharris cheers! sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 13:24:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E1BD3BF5D; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:33:49 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> <441622BE.2040803@andrew-duke.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:24:21 +0000 (UTC) > At 9:56 PM -0400 3/13/06, Andrew Duke wrote: >> http://myspace.com/andrewduke >> >> Who else? Hate myspace, there anyway: http://www.myspace.com/subscapeannex best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 13:31:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67F1C3BF5D; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:26:59 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Listen to the AM/FM Show In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4416C4A3.60408@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <8mB25D.A.obC.BXsFEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:31:46 +0000 (UTC) rob cathcart wrote: > Hi Bill > Please take me off your mailing list. > Thanks, > Rob Cathcart Hi Rob, Sorry. You're not on my list. You're getting my valid message via Loopers Delight. I recommend a mail filter for the Subject: "Listen to the AM/FM Show" Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 13:36:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAB4D3BF63; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <235D9073-C214-456D-846A-CC39D3115FA1@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:36:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:36:04 +0000 (UTC) On 14 mar 2006, at 01.36, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Well, I finally joined the MySpace generation. I'm not sure what I > will mean. I'm not sure it needs to mean anything. > If you're curious about my Looping and suchlike, pop over to: > http://www.myspace.com/undomusic I really like that music, David! It was also inspiring to read that undomusic manifesto you posted there. Great work! > If you're already on MySpace, let me know! Not yet. I may look into it if I should run out of disc space at the looproom. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 13:42:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 833793BF62; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:38:09 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! In-reply-to: <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4416C741.6080009@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <2ed.2a5e266.31444be3@aol.com> <001101c64525$be817720$78a1fe91@inap> <001901c646ff$55f8a080$0affff0a@hppav> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:42:58 +0000 (UTC) David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Well, I finally joined the MySpace generation. I'm not sure what I > will mean. I'm not sure it needs to mean anything. > If you're curious about my Looping and suchlike, pop over to: > http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > If you're already on MySpace, let me know! > David Kirkdorffer I'm at http://www.myspace.com/billfox for those who might like to become MySpace friends. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 14:24:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D28D73BF5F; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:26:03 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: MySpace is for Loopers too! In-reply-to: <5.2.1.1.0.20060313223408.0107f440@mail02.powweb.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001101c64773$396f1470$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:24:19 +0000 (UTC) LOL - good one, Sean. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:38 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! > > > OMG - you guys are so hip with your myspace and all! > > But I've found the next big thing and I'm on the leading edge with it: > > http://isolatr.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 16:52:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2815E3BF64; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:51:19 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: in praise of EDP X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J11ea.3a84S.77b7M" Message-Id: <20060314.085154.21047.482434@webmail58.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3141681260 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5JToBs+/6Op+VMmboREuav8JZ6G90vHXbw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.198|webmail58.nyc.untd.com|webmail58.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:52:26 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J11ea.3a84S.77b7M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain My Beige and Black EDP's sync perfectly. I have a Gibson Beige bought i= n 99 and upgraded to Loop IV. I keep them in separate racks so I don't = have to lug too much gear but if I want to use both I bring it all. I r= ecently purchased a Bose PAS system which is mono so one is really all I= need to use with it. = Weg ----__JWM__J11ea.3a84S.77b7M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

My Beige and Black EDP's sync perfectly.  I have a Gibson = Beige bought in 99 and upgraded to Loop IV.  I keep them in separat= e racks so I don't have to lug too much gear but if I want to use both I= bring it all.  I recently purchased a Bose PAS system which i= s mono so one is really all I need to use with it.

 

Weg

----__JWM__J11ea.3a84S.77b7M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 17:30:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C27493BF34; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <33393775.1142357450606.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:30:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Myspace? You mean Spyware R Us? Yeah, I'm there, too. www.myspace.com/timmungenast I don't have any loop stuff up there yet, just my psychedelic rock stuff. I hate the 40-second page loads, knowing that the delay is due to cookies being deposited on my hard drive, but hey, that's how the guy stays in business providing a free service--so-called "pink contracts" with unsavory firms like doubleclick. Bitch, gripe, mumble ... mumble, bitch, gripe :-) (That's an R. Crumb reference, young'uns :-) Sure, there are downsides, but for now, I really like what myspace offers. ~Tim also at www.mungenast.com www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Kaiser >Sent: Mar 13, 2006 9:33 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! > >> http://myspace.com/andrewduke >> >> Who else? >> >> Andrew > >I'm there..... > >http://www.myspace.com/jeffkaisermusic > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 19:07:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F39023BEE2; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8B34023F-12A5-4B95-B8C5-E8B938477B3C@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <8B34023F-12A5-4B95-B8C5-E8B938477B3C@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:07:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: MySpace stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:07:55 +0000 (UTC) At 8:29 AM +0000 3/14/06, Steve Lawson wrote: > >It's working quite well for me - I've sold a few CDs, and been >offered some gigs through it, as well as having people turn up at >gigs who found out about them through MySpace. > >Just a shame it's a) owned by that scumbag Murdoch and b) just about >the ugliest interface of any website on the planet... Those latter two are the main reasons why I've never set up camp there. Although it looks as if people are finding real value from the service, so I may actually have to capitulate. Doesn't help that every time I finally force myself to go to sign up, I find that some pimply-faced pre-adolescent has already snarfed the pseud I was after. "Bitch, gripe, mumble ... mumble, bitch, gripe" --m. (who actually appreciated Tim's Crumb reference...) -- _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 14 19:11:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F1FE3BEDD; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19122266.1142363470236.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:11:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mumble, bitch, gripeRe: MySpace stuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Mech! ~T -----Original Message----- >From: mech >Sent: Mar 14, 2006 2:07 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: MySpace stuff > >At 8:29 AM +0000 3/14/06, Steve Lawson wrote: >> >>It's working quite well for me - I've sold a few CDs, and been >>offered some gigs through it, as well as having people turn up at >>gigs who found out about them through MySpace. >> >>Just a shame it's a) owned by that scumbag Murdoch and b) just about >>the ugliest interface of any website on the planet... > >Those latter two are the main reasons why I've never set up camp >there. Although it looks as if people are finding real value from >the service, so I may actually have to capitulate. > >Doesn't help that every time I finally force myself to go to sign up, >I find that some pimply-faced pre-adolescent has already snarfed the >pseud I was after. > >"Bitch, gripe, mumble ... mumble, bitch, gripe" > > --m. (who actually appreciated Tim's Crumb reference...) > >-- >_______ >"Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 00:03:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C932A3BECF; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:03:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ewq5L6F2zUkxMExw5hN3r2xbA8Dtzk4cd5zSnRRiDlbQ1qnbUMCoheMaGXUb6MtQvKH0fWu20H8zxrYTWjyk2gJRkEnuLTygi1oFugpXLRIvHlOg1gDT6D3VGwqbnaBGuYWDwMsqaGGWoIY5RxqQBzYMSD53vshZVqGTSwU05WA= ; Message-ID: <20060315000335.66445.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:03:35 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: MySpace for Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44715A6C-C5F0-4040-B80F-069A1931F111@surfbest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:03:37 +0000 (UTC) I signed up, but frankly I don't get it. Seems like it sucks and is mostly broken. I can't seem to figure out how to upload music... I guess I really don't care. Find me here and find my music at zerocrossing.net --- Richard Roberts wrote: > Well, I'm there as well, and I'm not too sure why, > either…yet. > Richard Roberts > ZERO OHMS > > "We are no longer the same after hearing certain > sounds, and this is > more the case when we hear organized sounds, sounds > organized by > another human being: music." > - Karlheinz Stockhausen > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 00:44:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E33E3BEDA; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:44:39 +1100 Subject: Re: MySpace for Loopers From: Dave To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060315000335.66445.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:44:41 +0000 (UTC) i think myspace works best on safari or firefox - that may account for the broken bit. but as for it sucking.... i know people who have a large percentage of their fan base sourced thru myspace. can be a great networking tool if you get yourself out there - sen= d out friend requests to like minded people, and your little network grows on 15/3/06 11:03 AM, mark sottilaro at zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com wrote: > I signed up, but frankly I don't get it. Seems like > it sucks and is mostly broken. I can't seem to figure > out how to upload music... I guess I really don't > care. Find me here and find my music at > zerocrossing.net >=20 > --- Richard Roberts wrote: >=20 >> Well, I'm there as well, and I'm not too sure why, >> either=85yet. >> Richard Roberts >> ZERO OHMS >>=20 >> "We are no longer the same after hearing certain >> sounds, and this is >> more the case when we hear organized sounds, sounds >> organized by =20 >> another human being: music." >> - Karlheinz Stockhausen >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 00:58:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3A4C3BED5; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TLzVbDgNXvaix0NYiaImxQoVYnmyP2Dy5PkRJ9AJu+uvPZpvUEQSZ+5U1Rp225yHOmJxHGtS1J+gYsEGwNUXViBugFW63bNrUnZKOey6eDsJgHmPwO4ysteLVvvH3IqWWc3FoPtZ45LyooFo/m7JlCU4SJ5vko8xyPwaEyKMyFI= ; Message-ID: <20060315005833.52821.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:58:33 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Old Lurker, New Poster..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:58:34 +0000 (UTC) I'm a big fan of the small town. Finding people to jam with was a million times easier, even for non mainstream music, in Ithaca, NY. Finding someone willing to jam in San Francisco seems next to impossible. Mark --- Jeff Kaiser wrote: > This is so true. When first starting our > series/festival in Ventura, CA > in the late 80s, I was quite surprised to see the > people also "coming > out of the woodwork" to both perform and listen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 01:09:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DFB83BEE6; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003a01c647cd$1bd5c4e0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060315005833.52821.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Unusual Gig in Pittsburgh last week - Arch Hall Jr & the Archers Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:09:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:09:31 +0000 (UTC) If you're familiar with the 'B movies Eegah, Wild Guitar, The Choppers and The Sadist, you know who Arch Hall Jr is. These are films made in the 60's and some of them featured Arch Hall Jr. as a prospective "Teen Idol". He performed with his band (no looping to my knowledge) and made a couple of personal appearances at a showing of The Sadist (which is actually quite a good film) and at a meet & greet. Apparently Arch Hall Jr & the Archers have a few more gigs planned around the US. One in Memphis in May for example. It was amazing seeing a film star from these strange (but good in their own way) movies 40 years later, since the films were originally made, in the flesh. I heard that he had only made one other personal appearance in the last 40 years! Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 01:23:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BA2A3BEEC; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Continuum Looping Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:23:21 +0000 Message-Id: <031520060123.28796.44176C8900063FFD0000707C219791332903010CD20D0D9B0809079C0207BF9B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 28 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28796_1142385801_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:23:23 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28796_1142385801_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all. I posted a short example of my Continuum demo from the NAMM show, where I used Ableton Live to loop several Reaktor sounds controlled by the Continuum Fingerboard: http://www.marksmart.net/instruments/continuum/continuum.html Enjoy. Mark Smart --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28796_1142385801_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi all.

I posted a short example of my Continuum demo from the NAMM show, where I used Ableton Live to loop several Reaktor sounds controlled by the Continuum Fingerboard:

 

http://www.marksmart.net/instruments/continuum/continuum.html

 

Enjoy.

 

Mark Smart

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28796_1142385801_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 01:44:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DCDE3BEE0; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5fOkE/jwQmabnk+niM4j0rI8/ElaKR80lqy6ZvccOyr/omHQfCsviPdpsEcmqX2XKkTDFCjgvO45xRpEwzfAIx7KAX6bNX75xY3/6ilWluzsClSMDU9FHfB7rOjKmY5wb4qVGy4OL1ty//JEym35lEraS7uSHqiUSOiBhHKdlo8= ; Message-ID: <20060315014409.35682.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:44:09 -0800 (PST) From: Monica Subject: Re: Another Unusual Gig in Pittsburgh last week - Rick Wakeman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003a01c647cd$1bd5c4e0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1087780615-1142387049=:34913" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:44:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-1087780615-1142387049=:34913 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah...also - I'm in Pgh. -but not much longer - and Rick Wakeman also played this month like 2 miles from my place - and I was somehow entirely oblivious to this happening. Monica Paul wrote: If you're familiar with the 'B movies Eegah, Wild Guitar, The Choppers and The Sadist, you know who Arch Hall Jr is. These are films made in the 60's and some of them featured Arch Hall Jr. as a prospective "Teen Idol". He performed with his band (no looping to my knowledge) and made a couple of personal appearances at a showing of The Sadist (which is actually quite a good film) and at a meet & greet. Apparently Arch Hall Jr & the Archers have a few more gigs planned around the US. One in Memphis in May for example. It was amazing seeing a film star from these strange (but good in their own way) movies 40 years later, since the films were originally made, in the flesh. I heard that he had only made one other personal appearance in the last 40 years! Regards, Paul Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --0-1087780615-1142387049=:34913 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Yeah...also - I'm in Pgh. -but not much longer -
and Rick Wakeman also played this month like 2 miles from my place -
and I was somehow entirely oblivious to this happening.
Monica

Paul <paulrichard10@adelphia.net> wrote:
If you're familiar with the 'B movies Eegah, Wild Guitar, The Choppers and
The Sadist, you know who Arch Hall Jr is. These are films made in the 60's
and some of them featured Arch Hall Jr. as a prospective "Teen Idol". He
performed with his band (no looping to my knowledge) and made a couple of
personal appearances at a showing of The Sadist (which is actually quite a
good film) and at a meet & greet.

Apparently Arch Hall Jr & the Archers have a few more gigs planned around
the US. One in Memphis in May for example. It was amazing seeing a film star
from these strange (but good in their own way) movies 40 years later, since
the films were originally made, in the flesh. I heard that he had only made
one other personal appearance in the last 40 years!

Regards, Paul




 
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New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --0-1087780615-1142387049=:34913-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 03:47:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 240AB3BEDD; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 03:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: Unrounded Multiply question Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:47:09 -0500 Message-ID: <005801c647e3$23eef910$6600a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcZH4yKhsI3z3RePSYyrHhnkzDwt4g== X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 03:47:05 +0000 (UTC) I am having a blast with this unrounded multiply thing on my EDP. However, there is a problem that has happened a few times, and I wanted to know if it is 1. supposed to happen, or 2. something horribly wrong. OK, I make a noisy background loop, let it fade a bit, then throw a bass line over top. The original loop is 22 secs, the bass line is 7 seconds. In the middle of the longer loop, I press multiply as I start playing the bass part...the timer starts counting. At the end of my 4 bar phrase, I end with record. Now, normally this just starts the 4 bar phrase from the beginning, like it is supposed to, with the new bass part on top. But what has happened quite a few times (enough to scare me from using it when I am recording all this), is That the new loop starts at the right length, but I hear a few milliseconds of the first bass note, and then the new windowed loop plays back without the rest of the bass part! Now, I am left with a shorter loop, which the only way to recover from is hit multiply again, and end with record (usually the second time it works properly) while playing a new bass part, but I still have those few milliseconds of the old one there. This can happen either with the front panel or the footswitch, and my EDP is from 98, but with completely updated guts and software (thanks Shane). I want to know if I am double pressing something by mistake or what- any ideas? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 04:58:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 752753BEF0; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 04:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <067a01c647ed$1b8685e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:58:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 499, in=239437, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 04:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone have the sheet music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting". I'm going to chart the song out myself in Finale, but I thought I'd check first. It's in the book "Bill Frisell: An Anthology", but I don't want to buy the whole book just for that tune. If anyone has this, would you be willing to scan it to PDF for me? Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com www.boisemusicians.com/experimental www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 05:03:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60E743BEE7; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <068501c647ed$c23e1e70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <067a01c647ed$1b8685e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:03:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 499, in=239441, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Nevermind...I just bought the book. It's cheap!!! :) Check it out...I can't wait to start reading some of the charts. http://tinyurl.com/ohlj7 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:58 PM Subject: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" > Does anyone have the sheet music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting". I'm > going to chart the song out myself in Finale, but I thought I'd check > first. It's in the book "Bill Frisell: An Anthology", but I don't want to > buy the whole book just for that tune. If anyone has this, would you be > willing to scan it to PDF for me? > > Kris > > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com > www.boisemusicians.com/experimental > www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 07:37:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21AD73BEF4; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'mark sottilaro'" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: MySpace for Loopers Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:37:10 +0100 Message-ID: <01c601c64803$458abda0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060315000335.66445.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZH0gZbj+qU5/o9Qz6ELx4rv3J/owAMO2qA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:37:15 +0000 (UTC) > I signed up, but frankly I don't get it. Seems like it sucks > and is mostly broken. I can't seem to figure out how to > upload music... you probably signed up normally first (as we probably all did) ... wrong! there is a special "artist signup" link that you have to use, only there you can upload your music. -Michael www.myspace.com/veloopity www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 09:26:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E7603BEEA; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <005801c647e3$23eef910$6600a8c0@presto> References: <005801c647e3$23eef910$6600a8c0@presto> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <50BDC372-7F11-4E68-BFBF-543061A210FA@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Unrounded Multiply question Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:26:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:26:32 +0000 (UTC) On 15 mar 2006, at 04.47, hazard factor wrote: > In > the middle of the longer loop, I press multiply as I start playing > the bass > part...the timer starts counting. At the end of my 4 bar phrase, I > end with > record. Now, normally this just starts the 4 bar phrase from the > beginning, > like it is supposed to, with the new bass part on top. But what has > happened > quite a few times (enough to scare me from using it when I am > recording all > this), is That the new loop starts at the right length, but I hear > a few > milliseconds of the first bass note, and then the new windowed loop > plays > back without the rest of the bass part! Now, I am left with a > shorter loop, > which the only way to recover from is hit multiply again, and end with > record (usually the second time it works properly) while playing a > new bass > part, but I still have those few milliseconds of the old one there. How strange! I have used unrounded multiply a lot but never ran into this. Will follow this thread to see if anyone else knows what is happening here. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 10:06:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15AB83BEF8; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <50BDC372-7F11-4E68-BFBF-543061A210FA@boysen.se> References: <005801c647e3$23eef910$6600a8c0@presto> <50BDC372-7F11-4E68-BFBF-543061A210FA@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F088028-872A-47B1-808B-CB545503234C@bluemail.ch> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Z=FCrcher?= Subject: Re: Unrounded Multiply question Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:05:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:06:04 +0000 (UTC) did you check your feedback setting and make sure it was not a long multiply you started with? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 11:25:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDD1B3BEF8; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FALuFF0SCEoJ+gnws Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060315111604.0282a630@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:23:19 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! In-Reply-To: <20060315014414.C1FE53BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060315014414.C1FE53BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9vWplC.A.RzD.Um_FEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:25:08 +0000 (UTC) ...me too.... www.myspace.com/livelooper if I didn't add you to friends yet then that's purely an administrative error on my part (sorry) For all it's faults and ugliness, myspace seems to be a good place for promotion. Although I just used it to put online some very old music I don't have space for on my website. andy butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 12:32:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13DFA3BEF7; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: audible-ism Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:32:18 +0100 Message-ID: <020d01c6482c$8008d060$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZILH9fCqtfs0m9QWetvTzIJj3Pnw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone know what happened to audible-ism.com and this guy with his self-built electronic instruments (such as the tape Magnatron)? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 13:40:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B573F3BEFB; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44181919.7070104@dadaprod.org> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:39:37 +0100 From: sonic steph User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MySpace is for Loopers too! References: <20060315014414.C1FE53BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315111604.0282a630@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060315111604.0282a630@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Ovh-Remote: 81.185.85.137 () X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: fait|type 1&3|0.0|H 0.5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:40:42 +0000 (UTC) I don't get all this adds for my space.. Don't you think that it comes a time to get organize to propose a independent way to propose music to people? This is the aim I fix myself by creating dadaprod.. There 's a lot of project everywhere anyway.. But I only write this mail, because I really think that a group organised around a looping mailing list can really do something better than help another compagny to make profit.. The more older than us, know that my space is just another compagny, that will try to take advantage from musician: business is completely incompatible with art! that for us, the basic principle So as I see, all this message, I just feel like organising a special section in dadaprod, that basically will propose new tracks everymonth, as far as looping people will release tracks. Obviously, this kind of released could happen everywhere, but I really feel like getting organising to propose to a large audience music without contributing to private compagnies like myspace.. stephane excuse me for this sort of "political" message on a list, that is not supposed to carry such messages. But I really do think (without being polemic) that I am talking about music for musicians.. -- _____________________________________________________________________ plateforme de te'le'chargement libre, label autoge're', me'dia inde'pendant ----------------------- http://www.dadaprod.org _____________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 14:23:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 780D23BF06; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:23:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:18:19 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Pinnacle / Fear Of Flying Show at New Jersey Proghouse To: Pinnacleband Yahoogroups List , NJProghouse Yahoogroups List , progressivemusicsociety Yahoogroups List , Progressive Music Forum Yahoogroup , e-Prog Yahoogroups List , thoughts Yahoogroups List , Looking for Answers Yahoogroups List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , Different Skies , JamminEastPA Yahoogroup , Loopers Delight Mailing List , "ampfea.org music-bar" , LV Prog Yahoogroups List , Ricochet Gathering Yahoogroups List Message-id: <4418222B.50401@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:23:13 +0000 (UTC) Dear Friends, As some of you know by now, Pinnacle will be at the New Jersey Proghouse on Saturday, March 25. The doors open at 7:00 pm and opening act Fear of Flying kicks off the evening at 7:30 pm. This is a rare event because (1) it's Pinnacle's CD Release Party and (2) Pinnacle has not performed in public since opening for Spock's Beard in 2003. We spent most of the intervening time holed up in the studio creating "Meld." But we've been practicing our asses off since late last year and are ready to play music from both of our CDs. Tickets are going fast so please order them on-line now at and SAVE $5 over the price at the door. That'll leave you an extra fin to apply towards buying our new CD "Meld" which just arrived from the manufacturer. By the way, it looks and sounds fantastic, if you don't mind me saying so. But don't take my word for it. Cover art and sound montage are available at the Pinnacle and New Jersey Proghouse websites listed below. Cheers, Bill Pinnacle + http://pinnacleband.com + http://myspace.com/pinnacleband New Jersey Proghouse + http://njproghouse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 14:43:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1058B3BF01; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:38:44 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Correction In-reply-to: <4418222B.50401@soundscapes.us> To: Bill Fox Cc: Pinnacleband Yahoogroups List , NJProghouse Yahoogroups List , progressivemusicsociety Yahoogroups List , Progressive Music Forum Yahoogroup , e-Prog Yahoogroups List , thoughts Yahoogroups List , Looking for Answers Yahoogroups List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , Different Skies , JamminEastPA Yahoogroup , Loopers Delight Mailing List , "ampfea.org music-bar" , LV Prog Yahoogroups List , Ricochet Gathering Yahoogroups List Message-id: <441826F4.6080709@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <4418222B.50401@soundscapes.us> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Bill Fox wrote: > As some of you know by now, Pinnacle will be at the New Jersey > Proghouse on Saturday, March 25. The doors open at 7:00 pm and > opening act Fear of Flying kicks off the evening at 7:30 pm. Pinnacle's MySpace website is at http://myspace.com/pinnaclegroup Sorry for the bad link in my previous message. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 15:56:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D92073BEFF; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:31:04 -0400 From: Andrew Duke Subject: re: artist signups? Re: MySpace for Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, mp@mpeters.de Message-id: <44183338.7040704@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_v66QxouNX5d1hIq+OGwwOg)" X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <01c601c64803$458abda0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:56:22 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_v66QxouNX5d1hIq+OGwwOg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Michael Peters wrote: >>I signed up, but frankly I don't get it. Seems like it sucks >>and is mostly broken. I can't seem to figure out how to >>upload music... >> >> > >you probably signed up normally first (as we probably all did) ... wrong! >there is a special "artist signup" link that you have to use, only there you >can upload your music. > >-Michael >www.myspace.com/veloopity >www.michaelpeters.de > Hi, Michael. Thanks for pointing this link out. My question: I have a myspace page; if I now go to the artist signup link and fill out the info and hit "sign up", does it a) add the artist parts to my already existent myspace page or b) keep my initial page and in addition create a brand new artist page from scratch? or c)wipe out my initial page and create an artist page in its place? I don't want to hit "sign up" and have the time I spent on my non-artist page be for nought (ie choice "c"), thus I haven't signed up yet. Might be paranoid about this, but don't want to have to redo things just for the sake of being able to include music on my already existent site. Your help appreciated. Thanks. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com --Boundary_(ID_v66QxouNX5d1hIq+OGwwOg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Michael Peters wrote:
I signed up, but frankly I don't get it.  Seems like it sucks 
and is mostly broken.  I can't seem to figure out how to 
upload music... 
    

you probably signed up normally first (as we probably all did) ... wrong!
there is a special "artist signup" link that you have to use, only there you
can upload your music.

-Michael
www.myspace.com/veloopity
www.michaelpeters.de
Hi, Michael.
Thanks for pointing this link out.
My question:
I have a myspace page; if I now go
to the artist signup link and fill out the
info and hit "sign up", does it
a) add the artist parts to my already existent
myspace page
or
b) keep my initial page and in addition
create a brand new artist page from scratch?
or
c)wipe out my initial page and create an
artist page in its place?

I don't want to hit "sign up" and have the time
I spent on my non-artist page be for nought
(ie choice "c"), thus I haven't signed up yet.
Might be paranoid about this, but don't want
to have to redo things just for the sake of being
able to include music on my already existent
site.

Your help appreciated.

Thanks.
Andrew
-- 
Andrew Duke
scoring/sound design/source
http://andrew-duke.com
http://myspace.com/andrewduke
Cognition Audioworks label
[Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark]
http://cognitionaudioworks.com

--Boundary_(ID_v66QxouNX5d1hIq+OGwwOg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 16:12:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BCDB3BF0A; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Unrounded Multiply question Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:12:09 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c6484b$3735af10$6600a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <9F088028-872A-47B1-808B-CB545503234C@bluemail.ch> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcZIGBLk3o5n4YCKRiepFn7fCmxlwgAMsOVg X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:12:05 +0000 (UTC) I am not sure I understand. I don't see how feedback is linked to multiply. I have duplicated this at many different feedback values. It doesn't happen all the time, but maybe 30% of the time. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > did you check your feedback setting and make sure it was not > a long multiply you started with? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 17:50:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22B653BF0B; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <001901c6484b$3735af10$6600a8c0@presto> References: <001901c6484b$3735af10$6600a8c0@presto> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Z=FCrcher?= Subject: Re: Unrounded Multiply question Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:50:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:50:24 +0000 (UTC) not sure if I'm right here, but depending on the loop mode (stutter, expert, loop, delay...) the feedback knob does different things also, if you are using a pedal plugged into the feedback socket on the back panel, that might affect things best let us know your exact hardware setup and some parameter settings (round mode, loop mode and insert mode before all) that you are using when the problem occurs best phil http://www.mem.li From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 18:14:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CAE03BF10; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:14:18 EST Subject: Re: in praise of EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf.39ce2d30.3149b37a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <_lqr1C.A.c3F.KmFGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:14:34 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cf.39ce2d30.3149b37a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/14/06 12:00:28 PM, theweg@netzero.net writes: > I recently purchased=A0a Bose PAS system >=20 weg.....how do you like it? www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_cf.39ce2d30.3149b37a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/14/06 12:00:28 PM, theweg@netzero.net writes:


I recently purchased= =A0a Bose PAS system


weg.....how do you like it?



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 --part1_cf.39ce2d30.3149b37a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 18:14:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A88143BF1A; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jnfWt5Fccs3odOo7PBpvZx687CU2cha/1jlOsrnafGx12Bjv4HON9hHQvped7kQO0vx6QLQ2mqULRDbvZeWSq90HL8UZD/BCZBnHcgsLmZRzL2N5SdKfSOcpw04XEbS6rqzSQmfrW3LwHcHk353//6SdrzZx6e21G2e/Id/OdvY= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730603151014n5cf24e37u6ba3976f58c06c62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:14:36 -0500 From: "Clint Allen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: artist signups? Re: MySpace for Loopers In-Reply-To: <44183338.7040704@andrew-duke.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5439_15883517.1142446476452" References: <01c601c64803$458abda0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <44183338.7040704@andrew-duke.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:14:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5439_15883517.1142446476452 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Andrew, Look in the FAQ section of the site. There is a link you can follow that is for converting your regular page into an Artist's page. I willl say that I tried this several months ago and it was ultimately easier for me to "migrate" everything on my own...It is a pain either way. Clint Allen On 3/15/06, Andrew Duke wrote: > > Michael Peters wrote: > > I signed up, but frankly I don't get it. Seems like it sucks > and is mostly broken. I can't seem to figure out how to > upload music... > > you probably signed up normally first (as we probably all did) ... wrong= ! > there is a special "artist signup" link that you have to use, only there = you > can upload your music. > > -Michael > www.myspace.com/veloopity > www.michaelpeters.de > > Hi, Michael. > Thanks for pointing this link out. > My question: > I have a myspace page; if I now go > to the artist signup link and fill out the > info and hit "sign up", does it > a) add the artist parts to my already existent > myspace page > or > b) keep my initial page and in addition > create a brand new artist page from scratch? > or > c)wipe out my initial page and create an > artist page in its place? > > I don't want to hit "sign up" and have the time > I spent on my non-artist page be for nought > (ie choice "c"), thus I haven't signed up yet. > Might be paranoid about this, but don't want > to have to redo things just for the sake of being > able to include music on my already existent > site. > > Your help appreciated. > > Thanks. > Andrew > > -- > Andrew Duke > scoring/sound design/source > http://andrew-duke.com > http://myspace.com/andrewduke > Cognition Audioworks label > [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] > http://cognitionaudioworks.com > > > ------=_Part_5439_15883517.1142446476452 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Andrew,
Look in the FAQ section of the site. There is a link you can follow that is= for converting your
regular page into an Artist's page.

I willl say that I tried this several months ago and it was ultimately easi= er for me to "migrate"
everything on my own...It is a pain either way.

Clint Allen

On 3/15/06, Andrew Duke <andrew@andrew-duke.com> wrote:
=20 Michael Peters wrote:
I signed up, but frankly I don't get it.  Seems like it sucks 
=
and is mostly broken.  I can't seem to figure out how to 
upload music..=
. 
    
you probably signed up normally first (as we probably all did) ... w=
rong!
there is a special "artist signup" link that you have to=
 use, only there you
can upload your music.

-Michael

www.myspace.com/veloopity
ww=
w.michaelpeters.de
Hi, Michael.
Thanks for pointing this link out.
My question:
I have a myspace page; if I now go
to the artist signup link and fill out the
info and hit "sign up", does it
a) add the artist parts to my already existent
myspace page
or
b) keep my initial page and in addition
create a brand new artist page from scratch?
or
c)wipe out my initial page and create an
artist page in its place?

I don't want to hit "sign up" and have the time
I spent on my non-artist page be for nought
(ie choice "c"), thus I haven't signed up yet.
Might be paranoid about this, but don't want
to have to redo things just for the sake of being
able to include music on my already existent
site.

Your help appreciated.

Thanks.
Andrew
-- 
Andrew Duke
scoring/sound design/sourc=
e
http://andrew-duke.com

http://myspace.com/andrewduke
Cognition Audioworks label
[Andrew =
Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark]

http://cognitionaudioworks.com


------=_Part_5439_15883517.1142446476452-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 18:59:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 489153BF15; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FADXvF0SCEoV5LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060315183719.02c60d20@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:57:12 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RE: Unrounded Multiply question In-Reply-To: <20060315181438.01CA03BF24@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060315181438.01CA03BF24@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:59:06 +0000 (UTC) >I am not sure I understand. I don't see how feedback is linked to multiply. >I have duplicated this at many different feedback values. It doesn't happen >all the time, but maybe 30% of the time. I'm Baffled......... you're not in Delay Mode are you? There's only 3 ways to Mult without overdubbing the input audio. 1) Use Input Mode, and reduce inp vol with pedal 2) Use Delay Mode, and hit Overdub (=Freez) before the Mult ( or use the pedal as in 1) 3) Use Flip Mode , (which no sane person uses) like Philip & Per already said, tell us more. EDP Params? esprecially "Loop/Delay" FCB7 or MIDI Controller? Feedback Pedal? How long is "a few milliseconds of bassline" a) just a v.short glitch, which would correspond to the time for the Input to close b) 400ms corresponding to a long press andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 19:07:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AC413BF15; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=KAhd9YaMlD9FLgXZLrjkYt2aCMdAaF9/W4TBJ7Kv3iBBK3TzRZ0l8eQUjbu9MN15h99vnemRJ1NAQy1RIA0OSg9J6AoXjT6MGm12vkOF7TkGHVOeSPE0KjG/LEhqqVSvbaNbCB4sXsqHxFVzixmsVa9BefXlDSElSdUQpSXD/4Q= Message-ID: <2ab9fc770603151107of73ae9bxa324a216428cc30a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:07:02 -0500 From: "Christopher Bell" To: loopers-delight Subject: Any Philly Peeps? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4916_23796101.1142449622720" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:07:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4916_23796101.1142449622720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Anyone out there from the Philadelphia area reading the list? I'm a non-looping guitarist looking to get together and play music with some like minded people who may or may not be loopers. I'm into lots of instrumental indie rock and post rock (for lack of better terms) and electronica as well as minimalism and other classical type musics. Drop me a line if this sound= s at all appealing and I can direct you to some of my music and maybe we can put something together. Chris ------=_Part_4916_23796101.1142449622720 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Anyone out there from the Philadelphia area reading the list? I'm a no= n-looping guitarist looking to get together and play music with some like m= inded people who may or may not be loopers. I'm into lots of instrumental i= ndie rock and post rock (for lack of better terms) and electronica as well = as minimalism and other classical type musics. Drop me a line if this sound= s at all appealing and I can direct you to some of my music and maybe we ca= n put something together.
 
Chris
------=_Part_4916_23796101.1142449622720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 19:24:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C40713BF1C; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:22:12 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: in praise of EDP X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J64a6.6829S.15d2M" Message-Id: <20060315.112307.15610.491658@webmail63.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:3:1912840298 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5MQlqZoUN8PQM1r/na4m6mheqma9j6iZQg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.203|webmail63.nyc.untd.com|webmail63.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: <4kUp7C.A.es.fnGGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:24:15 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J64a6.6829S.15d2M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain I recently purchased a Bose PAS system weg.....how do you like it? I was hoping I would not like it at that price! I got it on the 45 day = trial since it isn't sold anywhere around Charleston, WV where I live. = My wife noticed the sound immediately and told me how much better she th= ought it sounded. I am convinced so far not to send it back. I tried i= t in a small room and loved it. I took it to a larger room with high ce= ilings and felt confident that it was performing as described. I use a = Godin Multiac Steel through a GR33 into my Explorer (EDP-Lex.MPX110-Elec= .Repeater) and had previously used a Fender Acoustisonic amp supplied by= the room with a mic on the speaker. The recording engineer (also the = drummer) noticed I was not coming through the mic as loud as usual but w= hen we listened to the recording I was right there easily heard. I then= told him that I was using the Bose which was 12 feet away from the amp = mic, we were all impressed with the sound dispersion. I've also tried m= y GNX3 through it and felt it sounded better through the Bose. Another = aspect is the weight, I'd much rather carry the Bose. I purchased the = heavier base case with wheels in an attempt to help save my 46 year old = back. I was carring a Mesa Boogie DC5 and a Carvin acoustic amp and wan= ted to cut back. I like the Bose but it could not replace a mesa and I = really like the Carvin but the Bose blows it away. I love tube amps by t= he way, I own several Mesa's and Fenders and Ampegs but I hate to carry = them anymore. The Bose seems to do just what it says. I've tried hooki= ng a Mackie 1604 with drum machines, synths, acoustics and voices going = through it. Once I got it adjusted it sounded pretty good through the B= ose, another reason to keep it.... On a small show that is all I think = I'll need but on a large stage I'll be forced to bring it and the Mackie= SRM450s too. I doubt I'll need anything else for a while if ever. The= other guitarist in the rock band is thinking of getting one too so we c= an run stereo, we'll see! Oh and I have not taken it off the flat respo= nse setting yet to try out the other presets..... Just lazy I guess....= = If anyone has specific questions let me know and I try it out. = Weg ----__JWM__J64a6.6829S.15d2M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html
I recently = purchased a Bose PAS system



weg.....how do you like it?

I was hoping I would not like it at that price!  I got it on the= 45 day trial since it isn't sold anywhere around Charleston, WV where I= live.  My wife noticed the sound immediately and told me how much = better she thought it sounded.  I am convinced so far not to send i= t back.  I tried it in a small room and loved it.  I took it t= o a larger room with high ceilings and felt confident that it was perfor= ming as described.  I use a Godin Multiac Steel through a GR33 into= my Explorer (EDP-Lex.MPX110-Elec.Repeater) and had previously used a Fe= nder Acoustisonic amp supplied by the room with a mic on the speaker.&nb= sp;  The recording engineer (also the drummer) noticed I was not co= ming through the mic as loud as usual but when we listened to the record= ing I was right there easily heard.  I then told him that I was usi= ng the Bose which was 12 feet away from the amp mic, we were all impress= ed with the sound dispersion.  I've also tried my GNX3 through it a= nd felt it sounded better through the Bose.  Another aspect is the = weight,  I'd much rather carry the Bose.  I purchased the heav= ier base case with wheels in an attempt to help save my 46 year old back= .  I was carring a Mesa Boogie DC5 and a Carvin acoustic amp and wa= nted to cut back.  I like the Bose but it could not replace a mesa = and I really like the Carvin but the Bose blows it away. I love tube amp= s by the way, I own several Mesa's and Fenders and Ampegs but I hate to = carry them anymore.  The Bose seems to do just what it says.  = I've tried hooking a Mackie 1604 with drum machines, synths, acoustics a= nd voices going through it.  Once I got it adjusted it sounded pret= ty good through the Bose, another reason to keep it....  On a small= show that is all I think I'll need but on a large stage I'll be forced = to bring it and the Mackie SRM450s too.  I doubt I'll need anything= else for a while if ever.  The other guitarist in the rock band is= thinking of getting one too so we can run stereo, we'll see!  Oh a= nd I have not taken it off the flat response setting yet to try out the = other presets.....  Just lazy I guess....

 

If anyone has specific questions let me know and I try it out.

 

Weg

----__JWM__J64a6.6829S.15d2M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 20:47:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E6C63BF14; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ab01c64871$a7aaa2c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: EDP footswitch button availibility Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:47:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone either have some extra footswitch buttons or know of a source for them for the proprietary EDP footpedals? I need to replace several of mine that have failed. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated, yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 15 21:38:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8D583BF1B; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Mar 2006 21:38:32 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:38:32 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP footswitch button availibility X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060315213832.756C686B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Rick- Mountain Switch, Part # DS412R go to http://www.mouser.com and search for part #10PA005 that's where I got mine last time (which was a year or so ago, so hopefull= y they still stock them Joe --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 00:21:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26EEF3BF23; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001201c6488f$8998bf10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Cc: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , "Mr Dick" Subject: EDP replacement switch SUPPLY Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:21:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett sent this to me and I include it for future reference (if it's not already posted) Replacing Footswitches Sometimes the footswitches break on the EFC-7. Fortunately they are inexpensive and easy to replace. Here is the ordering information: The footswitch part# is: 10PA005 at http://www.mouser.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 02:32:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA0BC3BF26; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: RE: Unrounded Multiply question Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:32:09 -0500 Message-ID: <005601c648a1$d41c0b20$6600a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060315183719.02c60d20@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcZIYokNSDCIJxf9RsmXEswjIcgoeAAPdb7A X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: <3p1tmD.A.SfB.k4MGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Loop mode. EFC Pedal. I am using exp pedal on my FCB1010 board for midi feedback. The amount of bassline is a short glitch. I only ever use the EDP in loop mode, with midi control of feedback. Like I said, this doesn't happen all the time, either. And I don't change settings much at all. The input audio *should* be looped, but it is cut off- almost as if it only records when the multiply is being pressed (like a SUS function), but that shouldn't be the case. The loop is clearly multiplied, and ended with record, with the display showing the new loop length. I stop playing the bass line when I press record, expecting to hear it. Now, I got into the habit of playing over the press of record, because I can't always count on the bass being recorded- just the first 50-100 milliseconds or so. What baffles me is that this is inconsistent behavior. I was looping for about 3 hours last night, and I was able to duplicate this 3 times, but the rest of the time it worked. This is with the settings unchanged throughout the night. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > >I am not sure I understand. I don't see how feedback is > linked to multiply. > >I have duplicated this at many different feedback values. It doesn't > >happen all the time, but maybe 30% of the time. > > I'm Baffled......... > you're not in Delay Mode are you? > > There's only 3 ways to Mult without overdubbing the input audio. > 1) Use Input Mode, and reduce inp vol with pedal > 2) Use Delay Mode, and hit Overdub (=Freez) before the Mult ( > or use the pedal as in 1) > 3) Use Flip Mode , (which no sane person uses) > > like Philip & Per already said, > tell us more. > > EDP Params? esprecially "Loop/Delay" > > FCB7 or MIDI Controller? > > Feedback Pedal? > > How long is "a few milliseconds of bassline" > a) just a v.short glitch, which would correspond to the time > for the Input to close > b) 400ms corresponding to a long press > > > > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 04:15:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDD9D3BF20; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 04:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060315200930.01a83bb0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:15:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" In-Reply-To: <068501c647ed$c23e1e70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <067a01c647ed$1b8685e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <068501c647ed$c23e1e70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 04:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Kris, if you like Bill Frisell, you should check out the video, "The Guitar Artistry of Bill Frisell". Cheapest price I've seen is at: http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/a/item.html?id=75945&item=3392125 In it , he explains a lot about his approach to the guitar as well as how he composed "Strange Meeting". He also bravely tries to play the bass and guitar parts of "Strange Meeting" both at once! There's also a nice version of "Strange Meeting" played by the classic Bill Frisell trio with Kermit Driscoll and Joey Baron. It's one of those quietly inspirational videos that I watch a couple of times a year. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 05:20:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3C893BF28; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:19:58 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: Gig Spam Bridgeport, CT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4418F57E.5080401@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=------------070906040903000905040001 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: <815R_B.A.zkG.EWPGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:20:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070906040903000905040001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm pleased to say I've been asked to play a set with Hot Bitch Arsenal , the outfit led by Kim Galibert, who has posted here a number of times about this project and his other outfit called IO . It's at a local spot called The Acoustic Cafe known for performances by local and regional singer/songwriters, and occasionally hosts artists in more esoteric genres. The band features Christina Abbott on vocals, and I'll be performing with my looping rig for the first time. Kim is running two instances of Ableton Live and there will be much loopage and dynamic visual content. Please introduce yourself if you're able to make it. Dan Ash White Plains, NY --------------070906040903000905040001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm pleased to say I've been asked to play a set with Hot Bitch Arsenal, the outfit led by Kim Galibert, who has posted here a number of times about this project and his other outfit called IO.

It's at a local spot called The Acoustic Cafe known for performances by local and regional singer/songwriters, and occasionally hosts artists in more esoteric genres.

The band features Christina Abbott on vocals, and I'll be performing with my looping rig for the first time.  Kim is running two instances of Ableton Live and there will be much loopage and dynamic visual content.  

Please introduce yourself if you're able to make it.

Dan Ash
White Plains, NY




--------------070906040903000905040001-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 05:24:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D3143BF2B; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:24:01 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: re: Gig Spam Bridgeport, CT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4418F671.8080800@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Sorry for the noise... I neglected to post the date - it's this Friday 3/17 9:00 PM -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Gig Spam Bridgeport, CT Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:19:58 -0500 From: Dan Ash To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I'm pleased to say I've been asked to play a set with Hot Bitch Arsenal , the outfit led by Kim Galibert, who has posted here a number of times about this project and his other outfit called IO . It's at a local spot called The Acoustic Cafe known for performances by local and regional singer/songwriters, and occasionally hosts artists in more esoteric genres. The band features Christina Abbott on vocals, and I'll be performing with my looping rig for the first time. Kim is running two instances of Ableton Live and there will be much loopage and dynamic visual content. Please introduce yourself if you're able to make it. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 05:37:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AE1B3BF27; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <083801c648bb$c1d1e380$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <067a01c647ed$1b8685e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <068501c647ed$c23e1e70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315200930.01a83bb0@TheNettles.com> Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:37:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 503, in=253537, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Bill actually talked on a video? Amazing. :) He seems so shy that I can't imagine him saying much beyond "I can't see you...but I can hear you...[awkward pause....applause]. Thanks for the tip. I do have the live trio CD...it's one of my all time favorites in my entire CD collection. I like that version of Strange Meeting much better than the version on his work with Dave Holland and Elvin Jones....that one seems a bit rushed for me, though Holland's Quartet works are, to me, the epitome of modern jazz. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" > Kris, if you like Bill Frisell, you should check out the video, "The > Guitar Artistry of Bill Frisell". Cheapest price I've seen is at: > http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/a/item.html?id=75945&item=3392125 > > In it , he explains a lot about his approach to the guitar as well as how > he composed "Strange Meeting". He also bravely tries to play the bass and > guitar parts of "Strange Meeting" both at once! There's also a nice > version of "Strange Meeting" played by the classic Bill Frisell trio with > Kermit Driscoll and Joey Baron. It's one of those quietly inspirational > videos that I watch a couple of times a year. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 06:36:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F5033BF06; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:36:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060315223431.01b88920@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:36:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" In-Reply-To: <083801c648bb$c1d1e380$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <067a01c647ed$1b8685e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <068501c647ed$c23e1e70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315200930.01a83bb0@TheNettles.com> <083801c648bb$c1d1e380$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:36:19 +0000 (UTC) At 09:37 PM 3/15/2006, you wrote: >Bill actually talked on a video? Well, he tries to. When words fail him, he continues the explanation on the guitar, where his true voice is. Have you seen him live? Live performance is when he's at his best. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 09:12:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 706643BF1E; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <005601c648a1$d41c0b20$6600a8c0@presto> References: <005601c648a1$d41c0b20$6600a8c0@presto> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8E047758-1731-4159-81FB-462A5342B971@bluemail.ch> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Z=FCrcher?= Subject: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:12:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:12:27 +0000 (UTC) sorry I can't help you to figure it out, then I am using a "simple mind/minimum weight" setup with the original footpedal and a "blind" plug in the feedback socket (that makes me use the long multiply as a "feedback pedal" check it out and praise the edp for its maximum of functions that are all making sense in musical terms and are availiable through only seven red buttons phil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 09:33:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F6173BF27; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <8E047758-1731-4159-81FB-462A5342B971@bluemail.ch> References: <005601c648a1$d41c0b20$6600a8c0@presto> <8E047758-1731-4159-81FB-462A5342B971@bluemail.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:33:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:33:43 +0000 (UTC) On 16 mar 2006, at 10.12, Philipp Z=FCrcher wrote: > I am using a "simple mind/minimum weight" setup with the original =20 > footpedal and a "blind" plug in the feedback socket (that makes me =20 > use the long multiply as a "feedback pedal" Wow, that was a smart idea! Good for a portable looping solution :-) (I too use a blind plug in the back, but so far only for Replace Mode =20= while using a MIDI feedback pedal). > check it out and praise the edp for its maximum of functions that =20 > are all making sense in musical terms and are availiable through =20 > only seven red buttons But you need some fast way to step between the EDP programs! Like a =20 tiny "MIDI program change sender". Then each EDP program can be set =20 to react for different musical purposes although you are still using =20 only those seven buttons ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?=20 id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 09:46:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E95A23BF18; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <005601c648a1$d41c0b20$6600a8c0@presto> <8E047758-1731-4159-81FB-462A5342B971@bluemail.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <37499D95-8BBD-42FB-A29A-AE74DE8E3F4C@bluemail.ch> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Z=FCrcher?= Subject: Re: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:45:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1lXztC.A.hyH.YPTGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:46:00 +0000 (UTC) > > But you need some fast way to step between the EDP programs! Like a > tiny "MIDI program change sender". Then each EDP program can be set > to react for different musical purposes although you are still > using only those seven buttons ;-) hi per thanks for your reply. - I am doing a preset change in stop mode, using the insert and mute button - but that's obviously not what you mean: I am really keen to hear if a tiny MIDI program change sender does exist in the real world pleez let me know asap greetings from ever so wintery switzerland phil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 11:40:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64BA83BF35; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:35:06 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44194D6A.5020708@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:40:10 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh I will play the music of that will soon be in concert at the New Nersey Proghouse. That includes bands like Echolyn, Pinnacle, and Fear of Flying. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on E-dition electronic music magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the CD from issue #7. The Vinyl Starter will be "Audentity" by Klaus Schulze on IC Records and released in 1983. 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All times are EST / GMT-5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 11:57:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AFE43BF37; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <37499D95-8BBD-42FB-A29A-AE74DE8E3F4C@bluemail.ch> References: <005601c648a1$d41c0b20$6600a8c0@presto> <8E047758-1731-4159-81FB-462A5342B971@bluemail.ch> <37499D95-8BBD-42FB-A29A-AE74DE8E3F4C@bluemail.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3DCC677A-B930-4662-B338-6E987A384063@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: MIDI pc controller for EDP (was: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:57:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <6ZQM8B.A.U7F.FLVGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:57:58 +0000 (UTC) >> But you need some fast way to step between the EDP programs! Like =20 >> a tiny "MIDI program change sender". Then each EDP program can be =20 >> set to react for different musical purposes although you are still =20= >> using only those seven buttons ;-) > > > On 16 mar 2006, at 10.45, Philipp Z=FCrcher wrote: > I am really keen to hear if a tiny MIDI program change sender does =20= > exist in the real world > > pleez let me know asap I brought this up on this list a couple of months ago. One suggestion =20= posted by Tod Reynolds was the MIDI Mouse: http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/1995/midi-mouse.html The Mouse and the analog EDP pedal would be cute Portable Pair for =20 light-weight EDP gigging ;-) Another, although larger, option is the MIDI Mate: http://www.rocktron.com/products/midimate.html Then we have the small MIDI X Change: http://www.thomann.de/thoiw5_rocktron_midi_xchange_prodinfo.html?=20 sn=3D8d5b446bcca07de11a303e55c14369a8 A warning though: it needs a special MIDI cable that Rocktron =20 manufactures (makes it go off my shopping list) Finally I found the ADA MPC: http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/pedals/ADA-MPC.htm I'd like to go with something like a portable number pad, similar to =20 what sits to the right on a PC keyboard. But it should just send MIDI =20= Change. I've never needed to use more than nine programs, instantly =20 accessible, with my EDP, so a number pad style hand controller would =20 do the job just fine. As you perform the timing critical actions with =20= your feet it makes sense to me having a hand controller on the side =20 for jumping between the EDP programs. That makes it possible to =20 manipulate audio loops with feet at the same time you are using the =20 hand pad to change what functions are actually assigned to your foot =20 buttons (EDP programs). Per=20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 14:39:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 876033BF38; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <084501c64907$66f09780$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <067a01c647ed$1b8685e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <068501c647ed$c23e1e70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315200930.01a83bb0@TheNettles.com> <083801c648bb$c1d1e380$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315223431.01b88920@TheNettles.com> Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:39:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 503, in=253672, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:39:21 +0000 (UTC) I saw Frisell live in Seattle a few years ago, at the Jazz Alley. I was about 15 feet from him. It was a great performance....Bill and a hammond organ player, and drummer....my all time favorite jazz combo configuration. What I heard sounded nothing like any of his CDs. It was far more hip in my opinion. And at one point, he really opened up and was playing some hard bebop lines. He mixed it up quite a bit...did some looping, some of his more laid back material, etc. He was playing through a hollow body jazz guitar, which sounded horrendous when he used distortion. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > At 09:37 PM 3/15/2006, you wrote: >>Bill actually talked on a video? > > Well, he tries to. When words fail him, he continues the explanation on > the guitar, where his true voice is. > > Have you seen him live? Live performance is when he's at his best. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 14:43:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F1673BF3D; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <084501c64907$66f09780$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:43:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2006 14:43:34.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[00B6E4F0:01C64908] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Don't know if this was posted yet... FYI, it is piano/lead sheet form not guitar transcriptions http://www.halleonard.com/item_toc.jsp?keywords=frisell+&itemid=2500341&order=0 Cheers Lou >From: "Kris Hartung" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:39:15 -0700 > >I saw Frisell live in Seattle a few years ago, at the Jazz Alley. I was >about 15 feet from him. It was a great performance....Bill and a hammond >organ player, and drummer....my all time favorite jazz combo configuration. >What I heard sounded nothing like any of his CDs. It was far more hip in my >opinion. And at one point, he really opened up and was playing some hard >bebop lines. He mixed it up quite a bit...did some looping, some of his >more laid back material, etc. He was playing through a hollow body jazz >guitar, which sounded horrendous when he used distortion. > >Kris > >----- Original Message ----- > >>At 09:37 PM 3/15/2006, you wrote: >>>Bill actually talked on a video? >> >>Well, he tries to. When words fail him, he continues the explanation on >>the guitar, where his true voice is. >> >>Have you seen him live? Live performance is when he's at his best. >> >>Cheers, >>Kevin >> >> >>The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music >>www.TheNettles.com >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 15:36:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D84E23BF37; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,198,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="114026591:sNHT1020624462" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <084501c64907$66f09780$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <067a01c647ed$1b8685e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <068501c647ed$c23e1e70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315200930.01a83bb0@TheNettles.com> <083801c648bb$c1d1e380$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315223431.01b88920@TheNettles.com> <084501c64907$66f09780$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-1007299916 Message-Id: <53be9a51bde5b6bf587dfe5f8a9e8152@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:34:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:36:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9-1007299916 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Kris, On Mar 16, 2006, at 6:39 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I saw Frisell live in Seattle a few years ago, Seattle. That the only place I've ever been able to catch him either. It figures. That's where he lives now -- as of about 2000 or so. I saw him at the grand opening of the Experience Music Project. He had the full "americana" band with him and Joey Barron was drumming (he's just about my favorite drummer of all time). The group included Greg Leitz on dobro and another guitarist I don't seem to remember filling in here and there. Another Seattle resident, Larry Corryell opened -- solo all by himself. That was a blast. Kay, my wife bought the tickets for my birthday. I have to admit it was sweet. She even sat through the whole thing without complaining or heading to the restroom. Heheh. BTW, "Strange Meeting" also appears on the album "Power Tools" in an incarnation I find particularly nice. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-9-1007299916 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Kris, On Mar 16, 2006, at 6:39 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: I saw Frisell live in Seattle a few years ago,=20 Seattle. That the only place I've ever been able to catch him either. It figures. That's where he lives now -- as of about 2000 or so.=20 I saw him at the grand opening of the Experience Music Project. He had the full "americana" band with him and Joey Barron was drumming (he's just about my favorite drummer of all time). The group included Greg Leitz on dobro and another guitarist I don't seem to remember filling in here and there.=20 Another Seattle resident, Larry Corryell opened -- solo all by himself. That was a blast. Kay, my wife bought the tickets for my birthday. I have to admit it was sweet. She even sat through the whole thing without complaining or heading to the restroom. Heheh. BTW, "Strange Meeting" also appears on the album "Power Tools" in an incarnation I find particularly nice.=20 Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-9-1007299916-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 15:37:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADAE63BF3B; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=U1Xlo1LVesSCixhO0BsXBlVPZGUdIXyEHg+zBSxQgz1Ot0Acm/8R7QkK/nuxo4FmfzfMM2PiUkA+6CStUF6iW6dUbT/jtnypfaI153RiOmQ5SmM7L90EKbd7ec8GHQoxtEapZoDDsw2ugC7Kc5bq86nf6dZ3g+8ZI23X9mRJ0yo= ; Message-ID: <20060316153701.9077.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:37:01 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: What instrument-What cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-33793928-1142523421=:8910" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:37:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-33793928-1142523421=:8910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The movie "Passion of the Christ" have some nice soundscores. I do like that strange sounding horn-instrument. Does anyone know what instrument this is? And are there some cds out there with "good music" and this instrument ? best regards Rune F --0-33793928-1142523421=:8910 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The movie "Passion of the Christ" have some nice soundscores. I do like that strange sounding horn-instrument. Does anyone know what instrument this is? And are there some cds out there with "good music" and this instrument ?
 
best regards Rune F
--0-33793928-1142523421=:8910-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 15:38:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D1343BF3A; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,198,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="884100867:sNHT712122702" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <8E047758-1731-4159-81FB-462A5342B971@bluemail.ch> References: <005601c648a1$d41c0b20$6600a8c0@presto> <8E047758-1731-4159-81FB-462A5342B971@bluemail.ch> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-1007389027 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:35:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:38:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10-1007389027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, What is this "blind plug" of which you speak? On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:12 AM, Philipp Z=FCrcher wrote: > "blind" plug Just curious, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-10-1007389027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, What is this "blind plug" of which you speak? On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:12 AM, Philipp Z=FCrcher wrote: "blind" plug Just curious, tEd =AE kiLLiAn 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-10-1007389027-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 15:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20B623BF44; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <53be9a51bde5b6bf587dfe5f8a9e8152@charter.net> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:51:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2006 15:51:53.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B852BB0:01C64911] Resent-Message-ID: <74-I8C.A.6SE.cmYGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:51:56 +0000 (UTC) >From: tEd ® kiLLiAn >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:34:17 -0800 > >Kris, > >On Mar 16, 2006, at 6:39 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > >>I saw Frisell live in Seattle a few years ago, > >Seattle. That the only place I've ever been able to catch him either. >It figures. That's where he lives now -- as of about 2000 or so. He left NYC over 15 yrs ago to live in Seattle :( >BTW, "Strange Meeting" also appears on the album "Power Tools" >in an incarnation I find particularly nice. Yeah, I love the power tools record. It was very important to me & I finally found it on CD as I had it on tape. It has a lot of loops from the EHX 16 sec. Speaking of I spotted an original for $600 at a vintage gtr shop in BK. It's looked a lot simpler then the reissue. Too bad the screwed up a very cool thing… From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 16:37:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E7AA3BF44; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=K8HHO5CY+M9gHoEUAmrX8cXLLlPNbv2xxy3X42dIZkTRsdB1OYSlC2S89VmEveq8Y2osOnIMUTwizPfK4/LDCrACjAt9jOnilF1n7RQQDiaBT6noOA/m7qPnKAne5msnuQoWPMeqOtlw7j7bcWSSg/lfbj5p5+OMYa3hxnnS4jk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: RP Collier Subject: mp3 file Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:37:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:37:57 +0000 (UTC) I figure as long as the file is up, in case anyone might be interested: I was loading a page, a film clip of Zappa playing a bicycle on the Steve Allen show 1963, while listening to reggae web radio and got these periodic bursts of Zappa/Allen audio merging into the reggae. I was able to capture the last bit of it and put it on an mp3 file available at: http://savefile.com/projects/673660 Savefile will eventually delete the file but it should be up for a while longer. Apologies to those who get this as a crosspost. regards BobCo http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://tinyurl.com/cr25 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 16:51:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99B793BF4C; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060316085059.01a97720@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:51:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" In-Reply-To: <084501c64907$66f09780$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <067a01c647ed$1b8685e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <068501c647ed$c23e1e70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315200930.01a83bb0@TheNettles.com> <083801c648bb$c1d1e380$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315223431.01b88920@TheNettles.com> <084501c64907$66f09780$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:51:58 +0000 (UTC) At 06:39 AM 3/16/2006, you wrote: >He was playing through a hollow body jazz guitar, which sounded >horrendous when he used distortion. Probably not the guitar, probably the ProCo Rat pedal he likes to use. It can be very ugly, if you want it to be. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 16:54:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBE823BF4E; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060316085319.01b9aa68@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:54:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" In-Reply-To: <53be9a51bde5b6bf587dfe5f8a9e8152@charter.net> References: <067a01c647ed$1b8685e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <068501c647ed$c23e1e70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315200930.01a83bb0@TheNettles.com> <083801c648bb$c1d1e380$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315223431.01b88920@TheNettles.com> <084501c64907$66f09780$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <53be9a51bde5b6bf587dfe5f8a9e8152@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:54:13 +0000 (UTC) At 07:34 AM 3/16/2006, you wrote: Seattle. That the only place I've ever been able to catch him either. >It figures. That's where he lives now -- as of about 2000 or so. You could have caught him in Eugene recently. He was down there with his "Unspeakable Orchestra". Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 17:10:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF5A33BF4F; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: <005601c648a1$d41c0b20$6600a8c0@presto> <8E047758-1731-4159-81FB-462A5342B971@bluemail.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <50976F88-5DF9-4C1A-B1C4-52A465434F4F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:10:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <8Z-VxB.A.KgC.WwZGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:10:46 +0000 (UTC) On 16 mar 2006, at 16.35, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > What is this "blind plug" of which you speak? Normally you plug an analog volume pedal into the rear "feedback" =20 jack of the EDP. A "blind plug" is when human loopers abuse that =20 jack by filling it up with a plug that doesn't have a chord that =20 leads anywhere. For the EDP this is a true "blind date" because it =20 still believes there is a Voume Pedal waiting at the opposite end. A =20 misbelief that makes EDP offer the user all kind of useful =20 alternative modes to loop in. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?=20 id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 17:13:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93AD53BF56; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=P+6l02Y7oA/DW55wX0dPd4qkAFQUGguw/VGIPyNBh0B0qWVQXFEiPeNyk3zZkAYDvKh3OdDvsZakigmRiP9yasHunCwAFTkfKTSG864Lp0ubXG2VltvEhEToXv3FTvKfDjNLweIHzhm5lqGJ+eWOKq0a5mjlcFaT0p3sIhfRGj0= Message-ID: <146cdfa70603160913t59ce3133r@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:13:36 +0100 From: "Marco Ronci" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What instrument-What cd In-Reply-To: <20060316153701.9077.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1858_14573042.1142529216166" References: <20060316153701.9077.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2pxMeC.A.qpC.CzZGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:13:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1858_14573042.1142529216166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Did't see the movie but i'll try to guess... duduk ? 2006/3/16, rune fagereng : > > The movie "Passion of the Christ" have some nice soundscores. I do like > that strange sounding horn-instrument. Does anyone know what instrument t= his > is? And are there some cds out there with "good music" and this instrumen= t ? > > best regards Rune F > ------=_Part_1858_14573042.1142529216166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Did't see the movie but i'll try to guess...
duduk ?

2006/3/16, rune fagereng &l= t;rune_fagereng@yahoo.no>:=
The movie "Passion of the Christ" have some nice soundscores= . I do like that strange sounding horn-instrument. Does anyone know what instrument this is? And are there some cds out there with "good music&= quot; and this instrument ?
 
best regards Rune= F

------=_Part_1858_14573042.1142529216166-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 17:16:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5AC03BF5E; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lKZ+w+MDSAGjHDeOltAZbSNBT9zOD6V9CWVX8AHJIzYDc+e/UzcEKMsJokz+UnuvRYPVEvk+hllbAp4Wa7ZC9oOQxEjrQgyL/X0lWuP7YZR9reNSixEHoss3zPdBxTEgoIWRHYlIf4/S/moycjmsH6vcaYiu28q0I9NvXrFBZww= ; Message-ID: <20060316171601.97796.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:16:01 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <50976F88-5DF9-4C1A-B1C4-52A465434F4F@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1297169657-1142529361=:94450" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:16:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-1297169657-1142529361=:94450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Does this work with the repeater too ? Rune f Per Boysen skrev: On 16 mar 2006, at 16.35, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > What is this "blind plug" of which you speak? Normally you plug an analog volume pedal into the rear "feedback" jack of the EDP. A "blind plug" is when human loopers abuse that jack by filling it up with a plug that doesn't have a chord that leads anywhere. For the EDP this is a true "blind date" because it still believes there is a Voume Pedal waiting at the opposite end. A misbelief that makes EDP offer the user all kind of useful alternative modes to loop in. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 --0-1297169657-1142529361=:94450 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Does this work with the repeater too ?
 
Rune f

Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> skrev:
On 16 mar 2006, at 16.35, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote:
> What is this "blind plug" of which you speak?


Normally you plug an analog volume pedal into the rear "feedback"
jack of the EDP. A "blind plug" is when human loopers abuse that
jack by filling it up with a plug that doesn't have a chord that
leads anywhere. For the EDP this is a true "blind date" because it
still believes there is a Voume Pedal waiting at the opposite end. A
misbelief that makes EDP offer the user all kind of useful
alternative modes to loop in.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?
id=128679560&s=143456




--0-1297169657-1142529361=:94450-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 17:41:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 886533BF4D; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:40:51 -0400 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Re: artist signups? Re: MySpace for Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4419A323.3020907@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rwXrMCYFB9AuPeAm0CrbZg)" X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <01c601c64803$458abda0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <44183338.7040704@andrew-duke.com> <2fb9e4730603151014n5cf24e37u6ba3976f58c06c62@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:41:21 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_rwXrMCYFB9AuPeAm0CrbZg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Clint Allen wrote: > Andrew, > Look in the FAQ section of the site. There is a link you can follow > that is for converting your > regular page into an Artist's page. > > I willl say that I tried this several months ago and it was ultimately > easier for me to "migrate" > everything on my own...It is a pain either way. > > Clint Allen Thanks, Clint. I've decided to leave my myspace page as is. If people want to hear mp3s from me, hopefully they'll click on the link to my webpage on my myspace page. I don't have the time or patience to create a new artist page just for the sake of being able to put 4 mp3s online, ditto for migration. Thanks again. Take care. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com --Boundary_(ID_rwXrMCYFB9AuPeAm0CrbZg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Clint Allen wrote:
Andrew,
Look in the FAQ section of the site. There is a link you can follow that is for converting your
regular page into an Artist's page.

I willl say that I tried this several months ago and it was ultimately easier for me to "migrate"
everything on my own...It is a pain either way.

Clint Allen

Thanks, Clint.
I've decided to leave my myspace page as is.
If people want to hear mp3s from me, hopefully
they'll click on the link to my webpage on my
myspace page.  I don't have the time or patience
to create a new artist page just for the sake of
being able to put 4 mp3s online, ditto for migration.
Thanks again.
Take care.
Andrew





-- 
Andrew Duke
scoring/sound design/source
http://andrew-duke.com
http://myspace.com/andrewduke
Cognition Audioworks label
[Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark]
http://cognitionaudioworks.com

--Boundary_(ID_rwXrMCYFB9AuPeAm0CrbZg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 17:44:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC5E83BF5A; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <20060316171601.97796.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060316171601.97796.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:44:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:44:03 +0000 (UTC) No. And i forgot to say that it's for the recent EDP Loop4 operating =20 system. per On 16 mar 2006, at 18.16, rune fagereng wrote: > Does this work with the repeater too ? > > Rune f > > Per Boysen skrev: > On 16 mar 2006, at 16.35, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > > What is this "blind plug" of which you speak? > > > Normally you plug an analog volume pedal into the rear "feedback" > jack of the EDP. A "blind plug" is when human loopers abuse that > jack by filling it up with a plug that doesn't have a chord that > leads anywhere. For the EDP this is a true "blind date" because it > still believes there is a Voume Pedal waiting at the opposite end. A > misbelief that makes EDP offer the user all kind of useful > alternative modes to loop in. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 18:42:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52CD13BF52; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:42:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UKsmEdc38vscGoi6kVWP7BlTX3TIEl6qQxAxCddLbWP3k2VKcwPYYq5wg1zQxkheezwT06okdydgIgRrgkvOJiHa6SU4+hSTxFhhOtBBJtpabpuyXZMSo8kIuDzN867UuO++mP2/pK1kHajxWh9FLbYCM5WOSsxcppuBJbQMTs8= ; Message-ID: <20060316184203.40735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:42:03 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Wilkinson Subject: Guitar Rig 2 Midi question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200410031859.i93Ix2K01240@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1529632552-1142534523=:40477" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:42:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-1529632552-1142534523=:40477 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit trying to control the looping unit in Native Instruments Guitar Rig 2 with my Line 6 FBV shortboard but it seems I have to hit the switches twice for a controller message to send. What gives... anybody been through this or similar? Any help would be great thanks in advance. Regards, aaron. --0-1529632552-1142534523=:40477 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
trying to control the looping unit in Native Instruments Guitar Rig 2 with
my Line 6 FBV shortboard but it seems
I have to hit the switches twice for a controller message to send.
What gives... anybody been through this or similar?
Any help would be great thanks in advance.
Regards,
aaron.
--0-1529632552-1142534523=:40477-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 18:49:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD5B43BF5D; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PtoZcSuYoAWZJh93hyV/4bAsgXEieHrrrmvqUMmL0DtBCSD7M1g0nXLbm1TOxlXUKb7bcPeuFhVHprqWaJAi5NLftWiXk5cXZPTYmdjSJvtJF2DB5UOU851bkili6z6cbkz/HUbh5CjuoWOSOwPXb3NAAMjux6R4Xmyq9ULULU4= ; Message-ID: <20060316184922.7930.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:49:22 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: What instrument-What cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <146cdfa70603160913t59ce3133r@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:49:23 +0000 (UTC) The armenian duduk is my favorite instrument its so deep i still cant get enough of Peter Gabriels "passion" soundtrack! --- Marco Ronci wrote: > Did't see the movie but i'll try to guess... > duduk ? > > 2006/3/16, rune fagereng : > > > > The movie "Passion of the Christ" have some nice > soundscores. I do like > > that strange sounding horn-instrument. Does anyone > know what instrument this > > is? And are there some cds out there with "good > music" and this instrument ? > > > > best regards Rune F > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 18:58:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83D233BF5C; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=D9OhCaptElE3MOLietEvIzgETiVq+iur0zTJEK3mKv3WbEtOoRUVsD4vXcVsufBFGAbMBNv0JME9OumTIRbc2wWi41jMJkN0jDEmdToXc97AQG7G0J1x7hGEdxVJYiNboJaH9udkVkjZIfmt6ihsdl+VI5nhJtNzOktPV2QHgE0= Message-ID: <2ab9fc770603161057p316309a5n2f82954529d5078@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:57:59 -0500 From: "Christopher Bell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What instrument-What cd In-Reply-To: <20060316184922.7930.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2659_469719.1142535479061" References: <146cdfa70603160913t59ce3133r@mail.gmail.com> <20060316184922.7930.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:58:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2659_469719.1142535479061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You're confusing The Last Temptation of Christ with The Passion of the Christ. Peter Gabriel scored the former, not the latter. ------=_Part_2659_469719.1142535479061 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You're confusing The Last Temptation of Christ with The Pass= ion of the Christ. Peter Gabriel scored the former, not the latter.
------=_Part_2659_469719.1142535479061-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 19:01:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8A153BF6A; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Uo//L6Kd/wCuE7NcwlFE3AlklApMOyF2tL9UA1VA73WJ3ij7/5HeSGRYJrguTnvS4vK7W9guy/J3yN6lYuZWHdH0w2sOvZvsXBl1PkkBAbLCr/Yt4ff7NpojX2hauGFRm/1y8DtiuLC9UqbBF7ZHmnJ/CM6iEd7OmJJSBn+XHIo= ; Message-ID: <20060316190113.50349.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:01:13 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: What instrument-What cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2ab9fc770603161057p316309a5n2f82954529d5078@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:01:15 +0000 (UTC) no i am not confusing them, ive seen both i just commented on the instrument itself. --- Christopher Bell wrote: > You're confusing The Last Temptation of Christ with > The Passion of the > Christ. Peter Gabriel scored the former, not the > latter. > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 19:26:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA9D23BF56; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060316184203.40735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20060316184203.40735.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 Midi question Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:23:21 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I can't help you with your MIDI question, unfortunately. But, since you own GR 2, I was curious how you liked it. I'm definitely interested in it myself. Amplitube 2 will be out by the end of the month, so I'm also considering it. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 19:52:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DDEC3BECA; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3666.128.193.37.212.1142538762.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060316085319.01b9aa68@TheNettles.com> References: <067a01c647ed$1b8685e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <068501c647ed$c23e1e70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315200930.01a83bb0@TheNettles.com> <083801c648bb$c1d1e380$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315223431.01b88920@TheNettles.com> <084501c64907$66f09780$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <53be9a51bde5b6bf587dfe5f8a9e8152@charter.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060316085319.01b9aa68@TheNettles.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:52:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <_yCpBC.A.KYF.PIcGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:52:47 +0000 (UTC) > At 07:34 AM 3/16/2006, you wrote: > Seattle. That the only place I've ever been able to catch him either. >>It figures. That's where he lives now -- as of about 2000 or so. It looks like he's going to be all over the place in the next few weeks, including southern Oregon, California, NYC, Sweden, Norway, Spain, Switzerland, etc., etc. See Bill Frisell's tour dates at: http://www.billfrisell.com/index-tour.htm Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 19:57:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD27A3BECA; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002b01c64933$debdd3a0$bf002e52@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: Subject: Re: Looperlative MP3s Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:57:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Steve, Thanks, enjoyed the tracks - some lovely soprano sax playing. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: Looperlative MP3s > Hi all, > > I've recently uploaded a few MP3s to the Recycle Collective MySpace > page - www.myspace.com/therecyclecollective - the first one is an > older duet with Cleveland Watkiss, which was done with my two EDP > setup. The other two are live tracks with Theo Travis, where I'm just > using the Looperlative for loopage. Theo's using two DL4s. > > Enjoy! > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 19:58:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A36C3BEB8; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4419C37C.8070100@biink.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:58:52 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" References: <067a01c647ed$1b8685e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <068501c647ed$c23e1e70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315200930.01a83bb0@TheNettles.com> <083801c648bb$c1d1e380$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315223431.01b88920@TheNettles.com> <084501c64907$66f09780$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <53be9a51bde5b6bf587dfe5f8a9e8152@charter.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060316085319.01b9aa68@TheNettles.com> <3666.128.193.37.212.1142538762.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <3666.128.193.37.212.1142538762.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:58:48 +0000 (UTC) johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >It looks like he's going to be all over the place in the next few weeks, >including southern Oregon, California, NYC, Sweden, Norway, Spain, >Switzerland, etc., etc. > >See Bill Frisell's tour dates at: >http://www.billfrisell.com/index-tour.htm > > Hot dog! A week at the VV. I'm there. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 20:08:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 302673BED6; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=o2vpmlE9dGAX0Kpm4/ZQ93r1zYZUDxk6hLkqe1bUjE62JVhvPchjVdKMz4dcCFWfLMBH8cR9z1KQqTEbYk17lQar8d6/WnKIJXVs2zwwhhlxMLMwZeURylddUsyeZ7S8O4P8o/gmB59B3zcdiZkwlbM4zt5BZg5Sw1pURZpW+Po= Message-ID: <2ab9fc770603161208p118f38b8o8a947ef2c0567f3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:08:30 -0500 From: "Christopher Bell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What instrument-What cd In-Reply-To: <20060316190113.50349.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4022_1038603.1142539710915" References: <2ab9fc770603161057p316309a5n2f82954529d5078@mail.gmail.com> <20060316190113.50349.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0AA3GD.A.6ZG.AXcGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:08:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4022_1038603.1142539710915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline 'i still cant get enough of Peter Gabriels "passion" soundtrack!' ------=_Part_4022_1038603.1142539710915 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline 'i still cant get enough of Peter Gabriels
"passion" soundtrac= k!'
------=_Part_4022_1038603.1142539710915-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 22:03:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 898773BEC7; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fe01c64945$797a0a10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: praise the edp Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:03:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Per wrote: "I'd like to go with something like a portable number pad, similar to what sits to the right on a PC keyboard. But it should just send MIDI Change. I've never needed to use more than nine programs, instantly accessible, with my EDP, so a number pad style hand controller would do the job just fine. As you perform the timing critical actions with your feet it makes sense to me having a hand controller on the side for jumping between the EDP programs. That makes it possible to manipulate audio loops with feet at the same time you are using the hand pad to change what functions are actually assigned to your foot buttons (EDP programs)." I'm loving my M-Audio Trigger Finger (a present from my brother, by the way), Per. It's no larger than one of those 12" mac laptops and very thin so it's not very big for transport and it has 16 finger controlled pads on it for anything from CC messages to triggering samples or, in my case, playing my Repeater like a chromatic instrument. How are the boys doing? yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 22:56:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B4B03BEC1; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005e01c6494c$f9d38950$bf002e52@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Line6 Echo Park Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:57:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01C6494C.F9B48FA0"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:56:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C6494C.F9B48FA0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_005B_01C6494C.F9B48FA0" ------=_NextPart_001_005B_01C6494C.F9B48FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlankHi, I've been off the list for a while and am glad to be back. I've just = bought the Line6 Echo Park, the new unprogrammable version of the DL4 = without a looper - oh, that makes it sound rubbish doesn't it... It's a = single stomp box type delay pedal with pretty much the same delay models = in it as the DL4 - but with some useful shortcuts to make the = non-programmability more pallatable. I'm using it at gigs alongside my = DL4 and really like it (compact + a great sound) - thought it worth = bringing to the attention of the list. Ian. ------=_NextPart_001_005B_01C6494C.F9B48FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank
Hi,
 
I've been off the list for a while and am glad to be back. I've = just bought=20 the Line6 Echo Park, the new unprogrammable version of the DL4 without a = looper=20 - oh, that makes it sound rubbish doesn't it... It's a single stomp box = type=20 delay pedal with pretty much the same delay models in it as the DL4 - = but with=20 some useful shortcuts to make the non-programmability more pallatable. = I'm using=20 it at gigs alongside my DL4 and really like it (compact + a great sound) = -=20 thought it worth bringing to the attention of the list.
 
Ian.
 

 

------=_NextPart_001_005B_01C6494C.F9B48FA0-- ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C6494C.F9B48FA0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Blank Bkgrd.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <005901c6494c$f9b48fa0$bf002e52@customer3530f5> R0lGODlhLQAtAID/AP////f39ywAAAAALQAtAEACcAxup8vtvxKQsFon6d02898pGkgiYoCm6sq2 7iqWcmzOsmeXeA7uPJd5CYdD2g9oPF58ygqz+XhCG9JpJGmlYrPXGlfr/Yo/VW45e7amp2tou/lW xo/zX513z+Vt+1n/tiX2pxP4NUhy2FM4xtjIUQAAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C6494C.F9B48FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 23:08:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1189E3BEDA; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0c2bdfee01458f099918af9b38e842f6@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: daviD Subject: Jack-OSX and SooperLooper Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:08:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm currently testing SooperLooper, and being very happy with it. When it works. Well, when Jack works. Two days ago, I used SL without any problem on my iBook, with an external USB audio interface (Edirol UA20). Very nice and clean GUI btw, though I searched a "stop/pause" button for quite a few minutes (does such a thing exist ?). Yesterday, I wanted to try the internal microphone (without the USB interface) and succeeded in getting lots of feebacky noises with the iBook's internal mic and speakers. To do this, I assigned the in/outs differently in Jack's router (which is not terribly intuitive but it worked well so far). The problem is that now, Jack only sees the internal mic/speakers and sooperlooper in the router (and iTunes if I launch it, too), but my UA20 is nowhere to be seen. I've just spent an hour trying everything I could think of, rebooting OSX, reinstalling the latest version of Jack and slowly losing my sanity. And I'm a developper/engineer, technology isn't supposed to do this to me :) Does anyone have an idea of what could be causing the problem here ? The UA20 is correctly seen in the OSX preferences panel, i can use it to play music and the input works correctly (the meter in the pref. panel reacts correctly), but Jack is a bad boy and doesn't want to speak to it. And i really want to make some loops right now... Any help about this would be really appreciated. Thanks in advance, "Simulating the true styles and making carefully ! Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 23:26:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29B693BED9; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FkTUWH/QB2EdGeQ7eR2cVB7r4Tq/BdquAnIVXbOy4MOkpsbXKDmdCN8X6OH++FvjEM2JZzaCtfI9AstQcV1O418gjX0KwQ0cRkUFrjfgqps8I83evKA4/QH33YkBqDl616zc+p8r6vsR0zCVyY/B9hPEVrpkywHu7fNdFGTldmM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <0c2bdfee01458f099918af9b38e842f6@free.fr> References: <0c2bdfee01458f099918af9b38e842f6@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Jack-OSX and SooperLooper Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:26:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:26:20 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 16, 2006, at 3:08 PM, daviD wrote: > The UA20 is correctly seen in the OSX preferences panel, i can use > it to play music and the input works correctly (the meter in the > pref. panel reacts correctly), but Jack is a bad boy and doesn't > want to speak to it. > > And i really want to make some loops right now... > > Any help about this would be really appreciated. Hi Haven't used Jack yet but I did come across an audio problem worth noting for osX'ers. Some devices/software cause an arbitrary shift in the default sampling rate. Open the Audio Midi setup in utilities and check the Hz # for audio I/O. For most things it should be 44.1, but some activities bump it up to 96.0 and then do not revert to default. Then applications expecting 44Hz think the configuration is broken or I guess just unrecognizable. If this is the case type or select 44.1 rate in the I/O fields. Quite irritating. regards BobCo http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://tinyurl.com/cr25 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 23:26:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B82113BEDB; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:26:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:26:45 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What instrument-What cd MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4985FDB6.4504679F.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.77.80.123 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:26:51 +0000 (UTC) The film is "The Last Temptation of Christ", but the soundtrack album is called "Passion". I think it's one of Gabriel's best recordings, because of the combination of electronic instruments and traditional instruments, like the doudouk. - Tony "Christopher Bell" wrote: >'i still cant get enough of Peter Gabriels >"passion" soundtrack!' > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 23:40:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CFCA3BECD; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=268gVCUH26wtB1ZGOEdB77bASmErouvB9yeTX2kBRomjsEhfWRN65jZQZ2B7cnpn52LJgZJ9vHeYI1Uc3OZLl6G9WmJg7ASPkfWTExsfBet0adK/akhk8OZqBYsqW5+md4a6z03gafC3sKheRxUABd+KMw6llT7M9z6NHhlv9J0= ; Message-ID: <20060316234045.68252.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:40:45 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: What instrument-What cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2ab9fc770603161208p118f38b8o8a947ef2c0567f3f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget Passion Sources on Peter's lable. A very cool compilation of music that inspired the soundtrack. --- Christopher Bell wrote: > 'i still cant get enough of Peter Gabriels > "passion" soundtrack!' > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 16 23:48:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E35A03BEE2; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:48:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:55:47 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: artist signups? Re: MySpace for Loopers To: Message-id: <001701c64955$2608da40$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C6492B.3CBD5420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <01c601c64803$458abda0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <44183338.7040704@andrew-duke.com> <2fb9e4730603151014n5cf24e37u6ba3976f58c06c62@mail.gmail.com> <4419A323.3020907@andrew-duke.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:48:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C6492B.3CBD5420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, I didn't know what was what when I started in myspace last = wek, and I converted a personal page I had created into a band page and = placed mp3s. So, you don't need to do anything special, I don't think. = David Kirkdorffer http://myspace.com/undomusic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andrew Duke=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: artist signups? Re: MySpace for Loopers Clint Allen wrote: Andrew, Look in the FAQ section of the site. There is a link you can follow = that is for converting your regular page into an Artist's page.=20 I willl say that I tried this several months ago and it was = ultimately easier for me to "migrate" everything on my own...It is a pain either way. Clint Allen Thanks, Clint. I've decided to leave my myspace page as is. If people want to hear mp3s from me, hopefully they'll click on the link to my webpage on my myspace page. I don't have the time or patience to create a new artist page just for the sake of being able to put 4 mp3s online, ditto for migration. Thanks again. Take care. Andrew --=20 Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C6492B.3CBD5420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually, I didn't know what was what = when I=20 started in myspace last wek, and I converted a personal page I had = created into=20 a band page and placed mp3s.  So, you don't need to do anything = special, I=20 don't think. 
 
David Kirkdorffer
 
http://myspace.com/undomusic
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andrew=20 Duke
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 = 12:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: artist signups? = Re: MySpace=20 for Loopers

Clint Allen wrote:
Andrew,
Look in the FAQ section of the site. There is = a link=20 you can follow that is for converting your
regular page into an = Artist's=20 page.

I willl say that I tried this several months ago and = it was=20 ultimately easier for me to "migrate"
everything on my own...It = is a pain=20 either way.

Clint Allen

Thanks, Clint.
I've decided to leave my myspace page as is.
If people want to hear mp3s from me, hopefully
they'll click on the link to my webpage on my
myspace page.  I don't have the time or patience
to create a new artist page just for the sake of
being able to put 4 mp3s online, ditto for migration.
Thanks again.
Take care.
Andrew





--=20
Andrew Duke
scoring/sound design/source
http://andrew-duke.com
http://myspace.com/andrewduke
Cognition Audioworks label
[Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark]
http://cognitionaudioworks.com

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C6492B.3CBD5420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 00:06:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7505E3BEE9; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:06:35 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: MIDI pc controller for EDP (was: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <655D9C85.4154FFC2.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.77.80.123 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, Don't know if anyone's suggested it before and I've been too dopey-eyed to notice, but what you're talking about sounds like the ancient Roland RC-3 remote controller. There's one on eBay UK at the moment (less than a day to go), link to the auction is ... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROLAND-RC-3-MIDI-PROGRAM-CHANGER-1989_W0QQitemZ7396729959QQcategoryZ38090QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - Tony Per Boysen wrote: >I'd like to go with something like a portable number pad, similar to >what sits to the right on a PC keyboard. But it should just send MIDI >Change. I've never needed to use more than nine programs, instantly >accessible, with my EDP, so a number pad style hand controller would >do the job just fine. As you perform the timing critical actions with >your feet it makes sense to me having a hand controller on the side >for jumping between the EDP programs. That makes it possible to >manipulate audio loops with feet at the same time you are using the >hand pad to change what functions are actually assigned to your foot >buttons (EDP programs). > >Per > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. 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Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 01:58:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E647A3BEE2; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:55:47 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: what a loop has to say References: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I've been doing a lot of looping this year since I went stereo with a 2nd EDP+. I'm on one of my existential 'why do we loop' trips again. This time though, I'm not asking 'why we loop' but 'what are we trying to say' when we create a looping piece? My recent looping pieces seem to be defined by the texture of the sound I put into them. The texture determines the mood. After I build it up then I'll try to contrast it with a new loop. After building that up, I'll return to the initial loop like a theme restatement thing. The whole process though is very abstract, the meaning is defined and always shifting with whatever happy accidents occur in the loop itself. How are others doing this? Before you start building a loop, do you have a preconceived idea of what the loop should express or do you just let the sound of the loop guide you? Those out there who perform for an audience, do you ever introduce a loop like, "this is a loop about "? One of the exciting things I'm finding about looping is it's a whole new musical form of communication with a new language of techniques and a new way of saying things. Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 03:47:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A72D3BEDF; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I6a/8UQ77tMUj5TxclZPwg6BJUI/AudIuKF6v/oGfQH8BfoadKEjKcsGR8l3pCojcfsDVUYq2N1wV2elj0m4A7f16lOZO9RFyxQUXieTGaj7ksQ/c3NW6yYqgabtlsQ+q8zBbaGp8x4OK+7Ongmf+DshwJ0M8PE+mYCf3XT7H8I= ; Message-ID: <20060317034753.74872.qmail@web33807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:47:53 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: (Sheet Music for) Bill Frisell's ("Strange Meeting") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060315223431.01b88920@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2123196041-1142567273=:73814" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:47:55 +0000 (UTC) --0-2123196041-1142567273=:73814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm a pretty big Bill fan and seen three times live - the most recent was in Erie, PA this past May with the Unspeakable Orchestra. Shy? Hell, yes. I think at all the concerts he said about three words other than introducing the band. I got backstage at concet #2 (art gallery in Buffalo w/ tony schear and joey baron ) and got a few more words out of him but joey was a riot. Bill's pretty mellow - not sure if it's from too much pot or what; in a few interviews I've read he does come across as rather articulate - maybe he puts an effort into them... I've got about 2 dozen of his cd's - either as leader, co-leader, or a guest. My favourites are probably "Have A Little Faith" and "This Land" (which have the same players on them and I've always viewed them together as a double album) but he had a really great run of Nashville, Gone Just Like a Train and Good Man Happy Dog. The recent live album - East West - is also a keeper. ted harms. Kevin wrote: At 09:37 PM 3/15/2006, you wrote: >Bill actually talked on a video? Well, he tries to. When words fail him, he continues the explanation on the guitar, where his true voice is. Have you seen him live? Live performance is when he's at his best. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-2123196041-1142567273=:73814 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
I'm a pretty big Bill fan and seen three times live - the most recent was in Erie, PA this past May with the Unspeakable Orchestra.
 
Shy?  Hell, yes.  I think at all the concerts he said about three words other than introducing the band.  I got backstage at concet #2 (art gallery in Buffalo w/ tony schear and joey baron ) and got a few more words out of him but joey was a riot.
 
Bill's pretty mellow - not sure if it's from too much pot or what; in a few interviews I've read he does come across as rather articulate - maybe he puts an effort into them...
 
I've got about 2 dozen of his cd's - either as leader, co-leader, or a guest.  My favourites are probably "Have A Little Faith" and "This Land" (which have the same players on them and I've always viewed them together as a double album) but he had a really great run of Nashville, Gone Just Like a Train and Good Man Happy Dog.  The recent live album - East West - is also a keeper.
 
 
ted harms.


Kevin <kevin@TheNettles.com> wrote:
At 09:37 PM 3/15/2006, you wrote:
>Bill actually talked on a video?

Well, he tries to. When words fail him, he continues the explanation
on the guitar, where his true voice is.

Have you seen him live? Live performance is when he's at his best.

Cheers,
Kevin


The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music
www.TheNettles.com


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Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-2123196041-1142567273=:73814-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 04:14:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2BA53BEE9; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,103,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="104553645:sNHT36971516" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> References: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-1052940517 Message-Id: <2eaa57a77732aba8cc7b5609afec1d9d@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:14:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:14:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11-1052940517 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dennis, On Mar 16, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Dennis Montgomery wrote: > Those out there who perform for an audience, do you ever introduce a =20= > loop like, "this is a loop about day>"? One of the exciting things I'm finding about looping = =20 > is it's a whole new musical form of communication with a new language =20= > of techniques and a new way of saying things. > Dennis Well, on rare occasions I will introduce a musical piece that way -- =20 but mostly as sort of an "in joke." People who know me well know my =20 musical grey matter doesn't work that way. I am really not wired that =20= way at all (and fail particularly miserably whenever I don't go with =20 the way my head works). "Hey, y'all! Thanks for comin' out tonight. =20 This next song is about a blue helicopter." Another exception is when I am trying (in vain mostly) to recreate the =20= spirit and mood (and a few of the recognizable riffs and other =20 earmarks) of a piece from my CD. I'm a terrible cover musician to begin =20= with -- even when I'm covering myself. I can just about do it sometimes =20= but it isn't a very satisfying experience for me. Who knows about the =20= audience, heheheh. Don't ask don't tell. My music (at least while I'm doing it) isn't about expressing something =20= that can be expressed in any other way (at the time). It's about =20 discovery, about finding a new path and (as corny and pompous assed as =20= it may sound) it's about expressing what seems to be inexpressible. I'm =20= finding out as I'm doing it. I can really only give titles to things after the fact, if there =20 happens to be a recording. When I'm doing it (actually performing), the =20= verbal part of my brain better be totally turned off or a true musical =20= "train wreck" is certain to ensue. I make no judgment on others (or you in particular) for being another =20= way. Actually, I feel that I am the one who is deficient here. I would =20= love to be able to sit down on my guitar stool and think in the =20 abstract . . . okay, I am now going to evoke . . . spring, a sunny day, =20= lost innocence, memories of whatever . . . lost love, my dog, my truck, =20= my doughnut, heheheh. Really! It only seems to happen "in the moment" for me. A part of my brain must =20= be broken. That's all I can say. I admire the heck out of anyone who =20 can think of something beforehand and "express" it musically. I can't =20= do it. I've tried too many years and have finally learned what I'm =20 sortta good and what I'm not very good at at all. I also absolutely cannot sing and play at the same time. I picked up =20 the guitar at age 10 and I am now 53. You'd think that somewhere along =20= the line I could've mastered at least a simple campfire song by now, =20 huh? Nope. Not even one. I really think the two areas are closely =20 related. The musical part of my brain cannot operate while my verbal part is =20 going. So, as far as the title of this thread goes, "what a loop has to =20= say" I'd have to say I need to hear it first, and think about it a =20 while (maybe even sleep on it) -- then I may have some vague idea. =20 Otherwise, I ain't got a clue. My hat is off to you. tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-11-1052940517 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dennis, On Mar 16, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Dennis Montgomery wrote: Those out there who perform for an audience, do you ever introduce a loop like, "this is a loop about <<<<"? One of the exciting things I'm finding about looping is it's a whole new musical form of communication with a new language of techniques and a new way of saying things.=20 Dennis Well, on rare occasions I will introduce a musical piece that way -- but mostly as sort of an "in joke." People who know me well know my musical grey matter doesn't work that way. I am really not wired that way at all (and fail particularly miserably whenever I don't go with the way my head works). "Hey, y'all! Thanks for comin' out tonight. This next song is about a blue helicopter." Another exception is when I am trying (in vain mostly) to recreate the spirit and mood (and a few of the recognizable riffs and other earmarks) of a piece from my CD. I'm a terrible cover musician to begin with -- even when I'm covering myself. I can just about do it sometimes but it isn't a very satisfying experience for me. Who knows about the audience, heheheh. Don't ask don't tell. My music (at least while I'm doing it) isn't about expressing something that can be expressed in any other way (at the time). It's about discovery, about finding a new path and (as corny and pompous assed as it may sound) it's about expressing what seems to be inexpressible. I'm finding out as I'm doing it. I can really only give titles to things after the fact, if there happens to be a recording. When I'm doing it (actually performing), the verbal part of my brain better be totally turned off or a true musical "train wreck" is certain to ensue. I make no judgment on others (or you in particular) for being another way. Actually, I feel that I am the one who is deficient here. I would love to be able to sit down on my guitar stool and think in the abstract . . . okay, I am now going to evoke . . . spring, a sunny day, lost innocence, memories of whatever . . . lost love, my dog, my truck, my doughnut, heheheh. Really! It only seems to happen "in the moment" for me. A part of my brain must be broken. That's all I can say. I admire the heck out of anyone who can think of something beforehand and "express" it musically. I can't do it. I've tried too many years and have finally learned what I'm sortta good and what I'm not very good at at all.=20 I also absolutely cannot sing and play at the same time. I picked up the guitar at age 10 and I am now 53. You'd think that somewhere along the line I could've mastered at least a simple campfire song by now, huh? Nope. Not even one. I really think the two areas are closely related. The musical part of my brain cannot operate while my verbal part is going. So, as far as the title of this thread goes, "what a loop has to say" I'd have to say I need to hear it first, and think about it a while (maybe even sleep on it) -- then I may have some vague idea. Otherwise, I ain't got a clue. My hat is off to you.=20 tEd =AE kiLLiAn 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-11-1052940517-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 04:28:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 280FC3BEE6; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <083801c648bb$c1d1e380$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <067a01c647ed$1b8685e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <068501c647ed$c23e1e70$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060315200930.01a83bb0@TheNettles.com> <083801c648bb$c1d1e380$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-1053820746 Message-Id: <31cf7ee3b61e5072617cfdb2e7079a69@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:29:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:28:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12-1053820746 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hmmmm, Bill is playing next Wednesday night with his "858 Quartet" featuring Hank Roberts (cello), Eyvind Kang (violin) & Jenny Scheinman (violin). It's at the SOU (Southern Oregon University) Recital Hall so I'm =20 expecting it will be more an exploration of the type of material on his "Richter =20= 858" than a typical Frisell gig. I just bought a ticket for it online this evening. Anyone else see this lineup recently? The Recital Hall has excellent acoustics, it normally hosts classical music performances and such. I guess this group qualifies as a "string quartet" of sorts. Now I have something to look forward to. tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-12-1053820746 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 0000,0000,0000Hmmmm, Bill is playing next Wednesday night with his "858 Quartet" featuring=20 Hank Roberts (cello), Eyvind Kang (violin) & Jenny Scheinman (violin).=20= It's at the SOU (Southern Oregon University) Recital Hall so I'm expecting=20 it will be more an exploration of the type of material on his "Richter 858" than a typical Frisell gig. I just bought a ticket for it online this evening. Anyone else see this=20 lineup recently? The Recital Hall has excellent acoustics, it normally hosts classical music performances and such. I guess this group qualifies as a=20 "string quartet" of sorts. Now I have something to look forward to. tEd =AE kiLLiAn 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-12-1053820746-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 04:29:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 507933BEF8; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09ec01c6497b$6d445e40$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060317034753.74872.qmail@web33807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (Sheet Music for) Bill Frisell's ("Strange Meeting") Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:29:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_09E9_01C64940.C035BE40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 504, in=254590, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:29:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_09E9_01C64940.C035BE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you have any of his work with Paul Motion? I still need to pick that = up...hard to find. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ditch wrestler=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: Re: (Sheet Music for) Bill Frisell's ("Strange Meeting") I'm a pretty big Bill fan and seen three times live - the most recent = was in Erie, PA this past May with the Unspeakable Orchestra. Shy? Hell, yes. I think at all the concerts he said about three = words other than introducing the band. I got backstage at concet #2 = (art gallery in Buffalo w/ tony schear and joey baron ) and got a few = more words out of him but joey was a riot. Bill's pretty mellow - not sure if it's from too much pot or what; in = a few interviews I've read he does come across as rather articulate - = maybe he puts an effort into them... I've got about 2 dozen of his cd's - either as leader, co-leader, or a = guest. My favourites are probably "Have A Little Faith" and "This Land" = (which have the same players on them and I've always viewed them = together as a double album) but he had a really great run of Nashville, = Gone Just Like a Train and Good Man Happy Dog. The recent live album - = East West - is also a keeper. ted harms. Kevin wrote: At 09:37 PM 3/15/2006, you wrote: >Bill actually talked on a video? Well, he tries to. When words fail him, he continues the explanation = on the guitar, where his true voice is. Have you seen him live? Live performance is when he's at his best. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ------=_NextPart_000_09E9_01C64940.C035BE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Do you have any of his work with Paul = Motion? I=20 still need to pick that up...hard to find.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ditch=20 wrestler
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 = 8:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: (Sheet Music for) = Bill=20 Frisell's ("Strange Meeting")

 
I'm a pretty big Bill fan and seen three times live - = the most=20 recent was in Erie, PA this past May with the Unspeakable = Orchestra.
 
Shy?  Hell, yes.  I think at all the concerts he said = about=20 three words other than introducing the band.  I got backstage at=20 concet #2 (art gallery in Buffalo w/ tony schear and joey baron ) = and got=20 a few more words out of him but joey was a riot.
 
Bill's pretty mellow - not sure if it's from too much pot or = what;=20 in a few interviews I've read he does come across as rather articulate = - maybe=20 he puts an effort into them...
 
I've got about 2 dozen of his cd's - either as leader, = co-leader, or=20 a guest.  My favourites are probably "Have A Little Faith" and = "This=20 Land" (which have the same players on them and I've always viewed them = together as a double album) but he had a really great run of = Nashville, Gone=20 Just Like a Train and Good Man Happy Dog.  The recent live album = - East=20 West - is also a keeper.
 
 
ted harms.


Kevin <kevin@TheNettles.com> = wrote:
At=20 09:37 PM 3/15/2006, you wrote:
>Bill actually talked on a=20 video?

Well, he tries to. When words fail him, he continues = the=20 explanation
on the guitar, where his true voice is.

Have = you seen=20 him live? Live performance is when he's at his=20 best.

Cheers,
Kevin


The Nettles: Progressive = and=20 Exciting Celtic Music
www.TheNettles.com


Yahoo! Mail
Use=20 Photomail to share photos without annoying=20 attachments. ------=_NextPart_000_09E9_01C64940.C035BE40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 04:32:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 657FC3BEFB; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: what a loop has to say Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:32:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcZJZdy0hOvq+omFSYiLWwZLuSu8zgAEzcvw In-Reply-To: <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> Message-Id: <20060317042832.PQRP17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Well-- Much of my recent looping has been at my solo gigs, which have not been frequent, but-- I find myself copping the groove and key (but not the exact progression) of whatever piece I have just performed. Since I use sequences a lot in my solo, this works pretty well--the piece (I AM NOODLING) builds to much noise, which I usually end by going into another sequence, sometimes declaring, "Now here's a real song." So I have to think (and thanks for asking) that my loop is saying, "I can actually play, this is the real me, and we now return to phony baloney show business music." Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 04:53:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97B483BEFE; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <2eaa57a77732aba8cc7b5609afec1d9d@charter.net> References: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> <2eaa57a77732aba8cc7b5609afec1d9d@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <8bbb113c0a0a4df6f5fc724936f0b189@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:53:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <3m7nc.A.EAD.PDkGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:53:35 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 16, 2006, at 8:14 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > I make no judgment on others (or you in particular) for being another=20= > way. Actually, I feel that I am the one who is deficient here. I would=20= > love to be able to sit down on my guitar stool and think in the=20 > abstract . . . okay, I am now going to evoke . . . spring, a sunny=20 > day, lost innocence, memories of whatever . . . lost love, my dog, my=20= > truck, my doughnut, heheheh. Really! I don't think you are being deficient at all. I think the desire to=20 apply a referenced "meaning" to a loop outside of the music is fine, no=20= judgment here either. But is the application/explanation of meaning=20 really what the music is about? If you are using lyrics it is one=20 thing. Lyrics reference the word-based meaning directly. But your lack=20= of desire to apply meaning to the abstract (your instrumental music),=20 my dear friend Ted, is...anything but deficient. If anything, I think=20 it is being more true to the music, by allowing the music to be itself=20= and to present itself to others on its own terms free of applied=20 meaning that might not only be meaningless to the audience, but even=20 take away from the experience... But now, of course, we get on to the=20 eternal discussion of programmatic versus absolute music... -Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 04:54:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A20043BF00; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a0001c6497e$ea9ccf50$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:54:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 501, in=241741, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:54:50 +0000 (UTC) When looping live in my typical free-improv mode, I usually start by clearing my mind as much as possible and starting with the closest mental state I can get to a "tabula rasa." From that instant onward, what I play is direct result of my real-time intellectual reflections and feelings, my mood, etc. Those feelings and reflections are either generated in real-time by the music, or they are generated independently of the music, as I tend to be simultaneously both inside and outside of my music (and myself) while I am performing. After a few songs, I usually start noticing a thematic thread of continuity through each piece. I'm guessing that there is sort of a creative feedback process occurring, which gains momentum and eventually rounds out the whole evening performance as a holistic experience. I suppose this is why most of my CDs are based on themes. Each song tells a story that leads to another and is connected either emotionally or intellectually. And usually I don't make sense out of these themes and firm them up completely until after I listen to the recording of my performance several times and I am allowed to interpret my own music in a different context. For example, the CD I have coming out next month is called "Interstellar Delirium". There were subtle thoughts and feelings of sci-fi lingering inside of me when I recorded the music, and when I sat down and listen to the music, the theme just hit me....BAMM! I had imagery and thoughts of a spaceman who is cutoff and abandoned by his mothership...afterwhich he lingers in the vacuum of space, slowing suffocating from a dwindling oxygen supply, and slowing freezing to death...during that time, he has a series of hallucinations, each of which inspired the names of the tunes on the CD. It just works out this way for me when I perform and produce CDs. As far as talking to the audience...I avoid it as much as possible. I'm sort of like Frisell in this regard. I say thank you a few times and nervously smile or laughwhile people applaud...that's about it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Hi all, > > I've been doing a lot of looping this year since I went stereo with a 2nd > EDP+. I'm on one of my existential 'why do we loop' trips again. This > time though, I'm not asking 'why we loop' but 'what are we trying to say' > when we create a looping piece? My recent looping pieces seem to be > defined by the texture of the sound I put into them. The texture > determines the mood. After I build it up then I'll try to contrast it > with a new loop. After building that up, I'll return to the initial loop > like a theme restatement thing. The whole process though is very > abstract, the meaning is defined and always shifting with whatever happy > accidents occur in the loop itself. > > How are others doing this? Before you start building a loop, do you have > a preconceived idea of what the loop should express or do you just let the > sound of the loop guide you? Those out there who perform for an audience, > do you ever introduce a loop like, "this is a loop about dog>"? One of the exciting things I'm > finding about looping is it's a whole new musical form of communication > with a new language of techniques and a new way of saying things. > Dennis > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 05:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC1F43BEFB; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 05:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: what a loop has to say Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:01:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcZJfrDyBUj0Z+RXRz6bgNSTEKmmFAAAQscA In-Reply-To: <8bbb113c0a0a4df6f5fc724936f0b189@pfmentum.com> Message-Id: <20060317045728.YVEP17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 05:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Yep, to me a loop says, "Freedom." G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 05:28:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D5BB3BF00; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 05:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a3801c64983$af5aba60$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Cc: References: <20060317045728.YVEP17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:28:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 503, in=244503, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 05:28:59 +0000 (UTC) > Yep, to me a loop says, "Freedom." > G Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise when you aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling devices, etc? I've found this to be the case with me. I love all the cool effects at my disposal - the Boss VF-1, hundreds of VST effects, LXP5, etc - but they sometimes produce artificial restrictions or boundaries on my creativity. I tend to be more intentionally and genuinely creative, and less enamored and influenced by technology, when I just play with a clean guitar sound with just a touch of reverb and delay for ambiance. You have nothing but the notes, basically, no window dressing to distract the creative process. I'm sure this is quite subjective and relative, but I'd be curious what others think of this. I guess just the simple sound of the guitar forces me to think more out of the box, rather than relying on the box. For example, you have a effect patch that has two octaves and panning delays that go on forrrrrrrever....you play one "note"...just one human data-point of interaction, and the gear takes credit for the rest of the interesting sound for the next minute. And I start to think to myself, what is really creative about that? I could play 10 notes in 3 minutes and produce a song that requires very little creative energy. It would be interesting to take all of our looping songs and strip every single cool effect from them, resulting in just the initially, humanly generated notes and natural sound of the instrument...what might we discover? How much of the intrigue of the song is generated by the gear vs. human creative energy? These are just open questions for discussion. I'm not necessarily making any categorical point here. And in this regard, I really respect a lot of the work of Derek Bailey, where its just him and his hollowbody guitar...quite amazing what a guy can do with just a guitar and amp. ...I'm off to bed now. It's been a long day. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 05:40:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 558033BEE1; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 05:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a7101c64985$3a010060$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: The ThinkPad T60p - On the Way! Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:39:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0A6E_01C6494A.8CFD35D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.500000 Content: cid=56(1.5) =1.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 501, in=241766, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <8NtprC.A.H1E.xukGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 05:40:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0A6E_01C6494A.8CFD35D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I finally got around to ordering a new notebook for music = performance application (just tonight). This thing should kick royal = butt, and rightly so for $3500. It just came out recently and has the = new Intel duo core processor in it. I custom configured the whole thing = with the sales rep on the phone. Here it is: Model: Lenovo (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (SKU# 2623D8U) - = http://tinyurl.com/zt4w5 Processor: Intel Core Duo T2500 2 GHz ( Dual-Core) RAM: 2 GB Hardrive: 100 GB (7200 RPM) Cache Memory: 2 MB - L2 cache=20 Networking: Network adapter - Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, = Bluetooth, IEEE 802.11b, IEEE 802.11a, IEEE 802.11g Optical Storage: DVD=A6RW (=A6R DL) / DVD-RAM - plug-in module Display: 14.1" TFT active matrix SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) - 24-bit (16.7 = million colors)=20 Graphics Controller: ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL V5200 - 256 M Warranty: 3 YR TP PROTECTION + 3 YR DEPOT TO 3 YR ONSITE ...etc Can't wait to get this thing up and running! Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0A6E_01C6494A.8CFD35D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I finally got around to ordering = a new=20 notebook for music performance application (just tonight). = This thing=20 should kick royal butt, and rightly so for $3500. It just came out = recently and=20 has the new Intel duo core processor in it. I custom configured the = whole thing=20 with the sales rep on the phone. Here it is:

Model: = Lenovo (IBM)=20 ThinkPad T60p (SKU# 2623D8U) - http://tinyurl.com/zt4w5
Processor: Intel Core = Duo T2500 2=20 GHz ( Dual-Core)
RAM: 2 = GB
Hardrive: 100=20 GB (7200 RPM)
Cache Memory: 2 MB - L2 cache =
Networking: Network = adapter -=20 Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, Bluetooth, IEEE 802.11b, IEEE = 802.11a, IEEE 802.11g
Optical Storage: = DVD=A6RW (=A6R DL) /=20 DVD-RAM - plug-in module
Display: 14.1" TFT = active matrix=20 SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) - 24-bit (16.7 million colors)
Graphics=20 Controller: ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL V5200 - 256 M
Warranty:  3 YR TP PROTECTION + 3 YR = DEPOT TO=20 3 YR ONSITE
 
...etc
 
Can't wait to get this thing up and=20 running!
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_0A6E_01C6494A.8CFD35D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 07:08:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BFC53BED5; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mLlRfY1OfPmMpxuWsA/Ko5XoGpSJIft+4Tp0hfaW57uJ/ucAQ4Ci8oVKzsTC4Vu4d4307zykeGr/e7B9mofUI5avONX2q98sFvgSD4r5lSM70GtA0BrSMJMgxOs46lv5PkOs6R7JdhfY6Xg/ontCd/cCYCDeOp9j7K7Ak6RTQUM= Message-ID: <64b81a780603162308w67a7a09dhd83804d929f9144d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:08:10 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what a loop has to say In-Reply-To: <2eaa57a77732aba8cc7b5609afec1d9d@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> <2eaa57a77732aba8cc7b5609afec1d9d@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Ted, Regarding this whole verbal/musical brain schizm, if you're deficient then so am I. When truly involved with the music my verbal processes shut down almost completely. I don't think it's uncommon really. Todd On 3/16/06, tEd (r) kiLLiAn wrote: > My music (at least while I'm doing it) isn't about expressing something > that can be expressed in any other way (at the time). It's about > discovery, about finding a new path and (as corny and pompous assed as > it may sound) it's about expressing what seems to be inexpressible. I'm > finding out as I'm doing it. > ... > I can really only give titles to things after the fact, if there > happens to be a recording. When I'm doing it (actually performing), the > verbal part of my brain better be totally turned off or a true musical > "train wreck" is certain to ensue. > ... > It only seems to happen "in the moment" for me. A part of my brain must > be broken. That's all I can say. I admire the heck out of anyone who > can think of something beforehand and "express" it musically. I can't > do it. I've tried too many years and have finally learned what I'm > sortta good and what I'm not very good at at all. > ... > The musical part of my brain cannot operate while my verbal part is > going. So, as far as the title of this thread goes, "what a loop has to > say" I'd have to say I need to hear it first, and think about it a > while (maybe even sleep on it) -- then I may have some vague idea. > Otherwise, I ain't got a clue. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 07:28:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B6E83BECF; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060317034755.BF8453BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060317034755.BF8453BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <399407fe43709213b4b9ff7122f4f6eb@free.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: daviD Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p_:_Jack-OSX_and_SooperLooper?= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:28:28 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <88nIHD.A.Gt.kUmGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi, > De: RP Collier > Date: 17 mars 2006 00:26:14 GMT+01:00 > =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet: R=E9p : Jack-OSX and SooperLooper > > Haven't used Jack yet but I did come across an audio problem worth=20 > noting for osX'ers. > Some devices/software cause an arbitrary shift in the default sampling=20= > rate. > Open the Audio Midi setup in utilities and check the Hz # for audio=20 > I/O. > For most things it should be 44.1, but some activities bump it up to=20= > 96.0 and then do not revert to default. Then applications expecting=20 > 44Hz think the configuration is broken or I guess just unrecognizable. > If this is the case type or select 44.1 rate in the I/O fields. Well, this wans't the problem but it pointed me in the right direction=20= ;) I re-opened Jack's preferences to check the samplerate and noticed=20 that, among the several options that are only available when the server=20= is not running, one was called "interface". I stopped the server,=20 replugged the UA20 and noticed that I could force Jack to notice it by=20= selecting the UA20 instead of internal audio here. I thought I had=20 checked everything yesterday, I was wrong. I'll try this with SooperLooper this evening but it should work now. Thanks :) "Simulating the true styles and making carefully ! Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 07:55:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD98A3BED0; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ojRSvXvxF1DlXGu9ZQGDn/Rrwld0ATvj0SKTENM1+tszZkhi6nKV406cz78shCF+twgHDIrggYD5hAqk8vbgTB5pNIPyzWz/OTSIRTR4eP8/vxiufL/8hRH+RTC24fX5i9/+VmrL8lgJo37fUdQ1j8s8SmOJ/2RKKFj+x/pV7Ck= ; Message-ID: <20060317075551.86637.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: What instrument-What cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060316234045.68252.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:55:53 +0000 (UTC) oh yes,i have it and its wonderful to see where Peters inspiration came from! cheers Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Don't forget Passion Sources on Peter's lable. A > very > cool compilation of music that inspired the > soundtrack. > > --- Christopher Bell wrote: > > > 'i still cant get enough of Peter Gabriels > > "passion" soundtrack!' > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 08:11:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 354263BED8; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003201c6499a$c9870c60$74b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> <2eaa57a77732aba8cc7b5609afec1d9d@charter.net> <8bbb113c0a0a4df6f5fc724936f0b189@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:14:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Believe me, there have been times when I've just closed the loop, and found such a dire, dark thing before me I nearly had to flee! I'm not talking about a flawed loop with a mistake or anything--but rather something totally unexpected and unique--challenging me to understand it and add to it meaningfully. Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" C;mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing "Rough" www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ On Mar 16, 2006, at 8:14 PM, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: >> I make no judgment on others (or you in particular) for being another >> way. Actually, I feel that I am the one who is deficient here. I would >> love to be able to sit down on my guitar stool and think in the >> abstract . . . okay, I am now going to evoke . . . spring, a sunny >> day, lost innocence, memories of whatever . . . lost love, my dog, my >> truck, my doughnut, heheheh. Really! > I don't think you are being deficient at all. I think the desire to > apply a referenced "meaning" to a loop outside of the music is fine, no > judgment here either. But is the application/explanation of meaning > really what the music is about? If you are using lyrics it is one > thing. Lyrics reference the word-based meaning directly. But your lack > of desire to apply meaning to the abstract (your instrumental music), > my dear friend Ted, is...anything but deficient. If anything, I think > it is being more true to the music, by allowing the music to be itself > and to present itself to others on its own terms free of applied > meaning that might not only be meaningless to the audience, but even > take away from the experience... But now, of course, we get on to the > eternal discussion of programmatic versus absolute music... -Jeff > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 08:13:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16E5F3BEDB; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAIv+GUSHaiw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060317080801.02869390@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:12:10 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: What instrument-What cd In-Reply-To: <20060317034755.BC8193BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060317034755.BC8193BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:13:56 +0000 (UTC) >no i am not confusing them, ive seen both i just >commented on the instrument itself. well.............. you got me confused :-) So, what's the instrument on "Passion"? (which I haven't seen) andy >--- Christopher Bell wrote: > > > You're confusing The Last Temptation of Christ with > > The Passion of the > > Christ. Peter Gabriel scored the former, not the > > latter. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 08:14:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E10CD3BEE4; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ABsp1KdDLbbybcatDv07R/0/HHc3T+mQqHEUdIqb2RedDGehPKczHJnUZ8ZvjqJJXW0CR4uqcc3xS/1stcDhAlAWN5QnWQdwRGD91TJKQyu+s5BuLFuC1hwzrnKZq4e2qHIXWKlSHi/KUVkJkq5izLBteur+E4axDEvXozWRugc= ; Message-ID: <20060317081404.29126.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:14:04 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: The ThinkPad T60p - On the Way! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0a7101c64985$3a010060$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:14:04 +0000 (UTC) oh man,that seems like an audio royal king,now u wanna give us a link to the poormans version of it(that is under 1000.00 dlls? --- Kris Hartung wrote: > Well, I finally got around to ordering a new > notebook for music performance application (just > tonight). This thing should kick royal butt, and > rightly so for $3500. It just came out recently and > has the new Intel duo core processor in it. I custom > configured the whole thing with the sales rep on the > phone. Here it is: > > Model: Lenovo (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (SKU# 2623D8U) - > http://tinyurl.com/zt4w5 > Processor: Intel Core Duo T2500 2 GHz ( Dual-Core) > RAM: 2 GB > Hardrive: 100 GB (7200 RPM) > Cache Memory: 2 MB - L2 cache > Networking: Network adapter - Ethernet, Fast > Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, Bluetooth, IEEE 802.11b, > IEEE 802.11a, IEEE 802.11g > Optical Storage: DVD¦RW (¦R DL) / DVD-RAM - plug-in > module > Display: 14.1" TFT active matrix SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) > - 24-bit (16.7 million colors) > Graphics Controller: ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL V5200 - > 256 M > Warranty: 3 YR TP PROTECTION + 3 YR DEPOT TO 3 YR > ONSITE > > ...etc > > Can't wait to get this thing up and running! > > Kris > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 08:14:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0CE93BECF; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005e01c6494c$f9d38950$bf002e52@customer3530f5> References: <005e01c6494c$f9d38950$bf002e52@customer3530f5> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:14:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Park Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:14:26 +0000 (UTC) At 10:57 PM +0000 3/16/06, Ian Popperwell wrote: > >I've been off the list for a while and am glad to be back. I've just >bought the Line6 Echo Park, the new unprogrammable version of the >DL4 without a looper - oh, that makes it sound rubbish doesn't it... >It's a single stomp box type delay pedal with pretty much the same >delay models in it as the DL4 - but with some useful shortcuts to >make the non-programmability more pallatable. I'm using it at gigs >alongside my DL4 and really like it (compact + a great sound) - >thought it worth bringing to the >attention of the list. Ian, I believe the Echo Park actually came up as a discussion item very soon after its initial release. At that time the early adopters complained about a high S/N ratio and poorer fidelity than on the DL4 or Echo Pro, so many people just went on about their normal lives afterward. However, there doesn't ever seem to be a "final word" on gear. Tell us, have you noticed any noise issues with your unit? In terms of sound quality and background hiss, how does it stack up on a head-to-head against your DL4? --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 08:21:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2D6C3BED8; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <655D9C85.4154FFC2.59DF470E@netscape.net> References: <655D9C85.4154FFC2.59DF470E@netscape.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MIDI pc controller for EDP (was: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:21:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:21:08 +0000 (UTC) On 17 mar 2006, at 01.06, Tony Douglas wrote: > Hi Per, > > Don't know if anyone's suggested it before and I've been too dopey-=20 > eyed to notice, but what you're talking about sounds like the =20 > ancient Roland RC-3 remote controller. There's one on eBay UK at =20 > the moment (less than a day to go), link to the auction is ... > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROLAND-RC-3-MIDI-PROGRAM-=20 > CHANGER-1989_W0QQitemZ7396729959QQcategoryZ38090QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > - Tony Wow, that look exactly like the thingy I had envisioned! But it seem =20 too expensive for me. I guess the price "=A31.44 " means one hundred =20 and forty four pound and not "one pound and forty four cents"? If you =20= look at the bottom of that page the post mail fee is written "=A33.14" =20= and I just doesn't seem correct that the stamps should be twice as =20 expensive as the Roland device! Very cool thing BTW. You could put it =20= on the cafe table when your co-workers display their iPods and cell =20 phones ;-)))) That True Futuristic Retro Vibe! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?=20 id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 08:38:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 958F73BEC5; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.240.121] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: KORE Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:38:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2006 08:38:58.0155 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BADE3B0:01C6499E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:38:59 +0000 (UTC) anybody else seen this? it's the new vst environment / audio production / performance software / sound platform from Native Instruments http://www.nativeinstruments.com/index.php?id=kore_us "All of your VST and Audio Units instruments and effects can be loaded into the KORE software. These are then presented in a clearly structured, uniform software and hardware interface. The graphical layout of the control elements in the software corresponds exactly to the layout of the KORE hardware controller. Finding, loading and managing presets as well as editing any sound's parameters all takes place within KORE itself. KORE delivers a clear overview of your work space and maximum usability." it comes with a little hardware controller it looks very cool and for those of you running software loopers with lots of plugins, i reckon it could be a great asset! cheers sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 08:39:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72FC13BED9; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: Subject: Product Spam: LooperTools 1.0 Has Been Released Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:39:43 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <002c01c6499e$56d8b160$6701a8c0@maui> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C6495B.48B57160" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcZJdgXdhmvFzqGXSTqQSRp4MeW+1wAJ+4kw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060317034753.74872.qmail@web33807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:39:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C6495B.48B57160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to announce the 1.0 final release of LooperTools SE for the DigiTech JamMan. 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I'd like to=20 announce the 1.0 final release of LooperTools = SE for the = DigiTech=20 JamMan.  It is available for trial and purchase = at=20 http://www.LooperTools.com. After several beta releases and some great=20 suggestions, the product is ready!

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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C6495B.48B57160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 08:56:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 782B43BECF; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0a3801c64983$af5aba60$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060317045728.YVEP17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> <0a3801c64983$af5aba60$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:56:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:56:57 +0000 (UTC) At 10:28 PM -0700 3/16/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > >Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise >when you aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling >devices, etc? I've found this to be the case with me. I love all >the cool effects at my disposal - the Boss VF-1, hundreds of VST >effects, LXP5, etc - but they sometimes produce artificial >restrictions or boundaries on my creativity. What a great question, and as an effects junky and self-confessed "gear whore", I can completely relate. With that in mind, I'd ask a question to clarify the situation you're speaking of. When you use effects, do you use them to augment the existing tonalities or to transform the instrument into something completely different? I find that when I use effects as ornamentation -- to "dress up" the existing sound -- I can very often paint myself into a similar corner as you are describing. It seems that past a certain point it becomes difficult to wrangle the burbling mess into something meaningful. At that instant, I'm frequently left with the impression that I'm doing nothing more than trying to hide the original instrument; obscuring it rather than trying to cull some bit of truth from it. On the other hand, I frequently use effects in a transformative manner -- where the effect is an indistinguishable and integral part of the sound. Best example I can give is from the last improv session our group did a couple weeks ago. On one cut, I had found a excellent slide guitar patch on my Yamaha VL70-m, which I happened to be playing with my WX-11 wind controller. It sounded pretty good by itself (despite the fact that the tone module is monophonic) but then I ran it through an intelligent harmonizer and started playing a bit with chord voicings. Suddenly, it dropped into a full-blown pedal steel, complete with Nashville-inspired slides and transpositions. In that instance, the effect *became* the sound. There were no problems of the sort you mention, because the effect was used to create a brand new instrument, rather than merely add more extra dimension to an existing one. Similarly, I often "play" reverbs, setting the mix to a completely wet feed and using the original instrument as nothing more than an impulse generator. In that case, the effect itself is once again the instrument. Of course, there are other (and completely different) problems that can arise from building new instruments out of amalgamations of various boxes, but I find that they're more often related to orchestration and performance technique. --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 08:58:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BD743BED8; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <005601c648a1$d41c0b20$6600a8c0@presto> <8E047758-1731-4159-81FB-462A5342B971@bluemail.ch> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1069938757 Message-Id: <741A0500-6D04-4BA0-879D-8F10FAAAC907@bluemail.ch> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Z=FCrcher?= Subject: Re: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:58:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:58:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-1069938757 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > Hiya Ted Per's explanation of my "blind plug" is exactly right - I just took =20 an old patch cable with a 1/4 inch plug and deprived it from its =20 sight (soldered off the visual nerves) to finally plug it into the =20 FEEDBACK (not the volume) socket. Praise the good old EDP for it's own blindness - 'cause he (she?) =20 thinks: Oh, a feedback pedal is being inserted from behind. And what it (she, he? - damn!) does: If you are using the modes where you can choose between Knob and =20 Pedal settings (Long Multiply in Stutter Mode for example) you can =20 switch between the Knob setting (say 50 per cent) and 100 per cent if =20= you leave the contacts within the blind plug open - 0 per cent if you =20= choose to close it respectively (or both options if you are using a =20 momentary switch foot pedal instead of a blind plug) Hope this helps Phil > What is this "blind plug" of which you speak? > > On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:12 AM, Philipp Z=FCrcher wrote: > >> "blind" plug > > Just curious, > > tEd =AE kiLLiAn Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-1-1069938757 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hiya = Ted

Per's = explanation of my "blind plug" is exactly right - I just took an old = patch cable with a 1/4 inch plug and deprived it from its sight = (soldered off the visual nerves) to finally plug it into the FEEDBACK = (not the volume) socket.

Praise the good old EDP for = it's own blindness - 'cause he (she?) thinks: Oh, a feedback pedal is = being inserted from behind.

And what it (she, he? - = damn!) does:

If= you are using the modes where you can choose between Knob and Pedal = settings (Long Multiply in Stutter Mode for example) you can switch = between the Knob setting (say 50 per cent) and 100 per cent if you leave = the contacts within the blind plug open - 0 per cent if you choose to = close it respectively (or both options if you are using a momentary = switch foot pedal instead of a blind plug)

Hope this = helps

Phil

What is = this "blind plug" of which you speak?

On Mar = 16, 2006, at 1:12 AM, Philipp Z=FCrcher wrote:

"blind" plug

Just = curious,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn=A0Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
=

= --Apple-Mail-1-1069938757-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 09:30:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F35E3BED2; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0a3801c64983$af5aba60$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060317045728.YVEP17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> <0a3801c64983$af5aba60$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <564A3A87-98C8-4D99-8B70-C1AA30EE3738@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:30:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:30:55 +0000 (UTC) On 17 mar 2006, at 06.28, Kris Hartung wrote: > Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise > when you aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling > devices, etc? I've found this to be the case with me. I love all > the cool effects at my disposal - the Boss VF-1, hundreds of VST > effects, LXP5, etc - but they sometimes produce artificial > restrictions or boundaries on my creativity. I tend to be more > intentionally and genuinely creative, and less enamored and > influenced by technology, when I just play with a clean guitar > sound with just a touch of reverb and delay for ambiance. You have > nothing but the notes, basically, no window dressing to distract > the creative process. I'm sure this is quite subjective and > relative, but I'd be curious what others think of this. Interesting topic, Kris! I think that in the best of wolds it shouldn't matter how many effects you are using. What matters is that you should not be aware of those effects when you play. You should only be aware of the music that flows through you. The moment you start thinking about effects as being "effects", then is the time for either stripping down your rack or going back to rehears with those effects according to the "300 percent over learning method", that will let you forget about it all but still being able to unconsciously draw on that knowledge in the heat of the performance. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 09:35:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B4EE3BECF; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> References: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:35:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:35:36 +0000 (UTC) On 17 mar 2006, at 02.55, Dennis Montgomery wrote: > I've been doing a lot of looping this year since I went stereo > with a 2nd EDP+. I'm on one of my existential 'why do we loop' > trips again. This time though, I'm not asking 'why we loop' but > 'what are we trying to say' when we create a looping piece? My > recent looping pieces seem to be defined by the texture of the > sound I put into them. The texture determines the mood. After I > build it up then I'll try to contrast it with a new loop. After > building that up, I'll return to the initial loop like a theme > restatement thing. The whole process though is very abstract, the > meaning is defined and always shifting with whatever happy > accidents occur in the loop itself. > > How are others doing this? Before you start building a loop, do > you have a preconceived idea of what the loop should express or do > you just let the sound of the loop guide you? Those out there who > perform for an audience, do you ever introduce a loop like, "this > is a loop about "? One of > the exciting things I'm finding about looping is it's a whole new > musical form of communication with a new language of techniques and > a new way of saying things. I think that live looping music needs to sort with a musical style or a certain personal artistic expression and not present itself as simply "live looping music". That's because live looping is a performance technique as well as an instrument while it's the music that is an art form. If you sing you should of course present the tunes with the song title, addressing the lyrics the common way. But if your looping music is instrumental you have to respect that people do experience music differently in a deeply personal way. So the reason you can't really tell a listener "what the music is about" is that the music is always about the specific listener. And who are you to tell him about that? Then, speaking about instrumental music, there are many "theoretical concept" techniques to create strong instrumental music with a "content". These methods are almost the same for all performing artists, musicians as well as actors. You have to create the emotions inside yourself that goes with what you want to express musically. Every performer has to build up and constantly work on his personal "library of emotions", often by connecting to memories from his/her own life. But it may also work for some people to simply make up typical emotional settings as mental images. The trick to make it work in performance is to keep it all handy for "switching on". Applying this technique to your instrumental music performing it may make sense for you to think about "my dog", but you should not tell the audience about that, just use it as a shortcut to get into the right mood ;-) Finally, live looping music is different in one way. It does present the audience with the process in which the music is being created. It doesn't, like music performed by en ensemble of simultaneously playing musicians, present a finished piece of music from the first beat after the count-in. So the "timing" takes on a new meaning for a performing looper. It's not only about "tight playing" but also about being clear about how you present the layers when you build up the musical piece. You may have to think a little extra about leading the listeners so they will be able to follow you through the sonic terrain you are about to conquer. BTW, here's an interesting web page I found on theoretical strategies for improvising instrumental music: http://www.essl.at/bibliogr/improvisation-e.html Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 09:39:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14FDC3BED2; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d13skCKSnloPc7rgsdSxWzCB+cT8tPKojOXhwjzFlN9osedtfV4+nvuZyejzyrfWQ7zkLwgJr3vWnBsbvRcxWO/3g1SrOXmJgVYXhBnlSz4QY0pYR/OPeoY1ZhFVBBNcNsZgipYbM7FVr86ZSyAG8sFyxc6MTHdhH/B05wbCESA= ; Message-ID: <20060317093936.63675.qmail@web37915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:39:36 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: what a loop has to say To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0a3801c64983$af5aba60$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-585962759-1142588376=:63668" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2q8LLC.A.JtG.ZPoGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:39:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-585962759-1142588376=:63668 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i do find the clean acoustic guitar to be my muse.yet ill mangle it with reverse and speed control.varible delay times seems to keep the sound pure.maybe just a phase im goin thru but nothing beats a good ole acoustic source into a looper. my best regards, scary visionary. Kris Hartung wrote: > Yep, to me a loop says, "Freedom." > G Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise when you aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling devices, etc? I've found this to be the case with me. I love all the cool effects at my disposal - the Boss VF-1, hundreds of VST effects, LXP5, etc - but they sometimes produce artificial restrictions or boundaries on my creativity. I tend to be more intentionally and genuinely creative, and less enamored and influenced by technology, when I just play with a clean guitar sound with just a touch of reverb and delay for ambiance. You have nothing but the notes, basically, no window dressing to distract the creative process. I'm sure this is quite subjective and relative, but I'd be curious what others think of this. I guess just the simple sound of the guitar forces me to think more out of the box, rather than relying on the box. For example, you have a effect patch that has two octaves and panning delays that go on forrrrrrrever....you play one "note"...just one human data-point of interaction, and the gear takes credit for the rest of the interesting sound for the next minute. And I start to think to myself, what is really creative about that? I could play 10 notes in 3 minutes and produce a song that requires very little creative energy. It would be interesting to take all of our looping songs and strip every single cool effect from them, resulting in just the initially, humanly generated notes and natural sound of the instrument...what might we discover? How much of the intrigue of the song is generated by the gear vs. human creative energy? These are just open questions for discussion. I'm not necessarily making any categorical point here. And in this regard, I really respect a lot of the work of Derek Bailey, where its just him and his hollowbody guitar...quite amazing what a guy can do with just a guitar and amp. ...I'm off to bed now. It's been a long day. Kris --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-585962759-1142588376=:63668 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
i do find the clean acoustic guitar to be my muse.yet ill mangle it with reverse and speed control.varible delay times seems to keep the sound pure.maybe just a phase im goin thru but nothing beats a good ole acoustic source into a looper.
                                    my best regards,
                                                              scary visionary.

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
> Yep, to me a loop says, "Freedom."
> G

Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise when you
aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling devices, etc? I've
found this to be the case with me. I love all the cool effects at my
disposal - the Boss VF-1, hundreds of VST effects, LXP5, etc - but they
sometimes produce artificial restrictions or boundaries on my creativity. I
tend to be more intentionally and genuinely creative, and less enamored and
influenced by technology, when I just play with a clean guitar sound with
just a touch of reverb and delay for ambiance. You have nothing but the
notes, basically, no window dressing to distract the creative process. I'm
sure this is quite subjective and relative, but I'd be curious what others
think of this. I guess just the simple sound of the guitar forces me to
think more out of the box, rather than relying on the box. For example, you
have a effect patch that has two octaves and panning delays that go on
forrrrrrrever....you play one "note"...just one human data-point of
interaction, and the gear takes credit for the rest of the interesting sound
for the next minute. And I start to think to myself, what is really creative
about that? I could play 10 notes in 3 minutes and produce a song that
requires very little creative energy. It would be interesting to take all
of our looping songs and strip every single cool effect from them, resulting
in just the initially, humanly generated notes and natural sound of the
instrument...what might we discover? How much of the intrigue of the song is
generated by the gear vs. human creative energy? These are just open
questions for discussion. I'm not necessarily making any categorical point
here.

And in this regard, I really respect a lot of the work of Derek Bailey,
where its just him and his hollowbody guitar...quite amazing what a guy can
do with just a guitar and amp.

...I'm off to bed now. It's been a long day.

Kris



Yahoo! Mail
Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-585962759-1142588376=:63668-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 09:58:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6490A3BED0; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0a7101c64985$3a010060$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0a7101c64985$3a010060$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5E5E343F-22CB-422A-BA7D-71A552298804@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The ThinkPad T60p - On the Way! Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:58:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:58:13 +0000 (UTC) On 17 mar 2006, at 06.39, Kris Hartung wrote: > Model: Lenovo (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (SKU# 2623D8U) - http://=20 > tinyurl.com/zt4w5 > Processor: Intel Core Duo T2500 2 GHz ( Dual-Core) > RAM: 2 GB > Hardrive: 100 GB (7200 RPM) > Cache Memory: 2 MB - L2 cache > Networking: Network adapter - Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Gigabit =20 > Ethernet, Bluetooth, IEEE 802.11b, IEEE 802.11a, IEEE 802.11g > Optical Storage: DVD=A6RW (=A6R DL) / DVD-RAM - plug-in module > Display: 14.1" TFT active matrix SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) - 24-bit (16.7 =20= > million colors) > Graphics Controller: ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL V5200 - 256 M > Warranty: 3 YR TP PROTECTION + 3 YR DEPOT TO 3 YR ONSITE Congratulations! I'm looking forward to reading your reports when =20 you're up-n-running on that beast. Great that you could through in =20 the money for the full 2 MB RAM right away. I had to go with 1 GB =20 and an empty slot for future RAM expansion. I too picked a 7200 RPM =20 hard drive, but I'm not so sure that was the right thing. Because of =20 this fast drive the lappy gets rather hot and it is more fan noisy =20 than my Powerbook that has a "slow" 5400 RPM drive. Normally sales =20 people recommend faster drives, and especially for music, but if you =20 do not intend to use it for multi track hard drive recording it may =20 make more sense to go for a 5400 RPM drive and lots of RAM? I don't =20 think my drive is very active when I do heavy live looping in Mobius. =20= Please not that this is just some loose speculation on my side ;-) =20 But I hate that whining sound, so I still do most work on the =20 Powerbook - except for playing Mobius. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?=20 id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 11:14:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC10C3BED0; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00da01c649b4$0282df30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: WHAT A LOOP HAS TO SAY Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:14:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Dennis Montgomery said: "Before you start building a loop, do you have a preconceived idea of what the loop should express or do you just let the sound of the loop guide you?" I have to say that because I have a strong tendency to be both too intellectual in my musical approach and also to controlling in my over all aproach to music that I have come to love the fact that a live looping device can capture amazing serendipity. I've fallen in love with playing an instrument that I don't have control of and looping a phrase that takes on a lot of beauty do merely to the fact that it is repeating. I've been playing a purple anodized, inexpensive pocket trumpet that I got for peanuts at the NAMM show. I'll never be a good trumpet player in my life but I'm coming up with some very, very cool looping shit with it and I may even have the courage to play it at the Boise Experimental Music Festival that I"ll be headlining at the end of April. Scares the crap out of me to consider taking it but I think I"m gonna anyway. There is something very beautiful to me about randomly looping something and then having it define where you should go next. That is one of the reasons I love the EDP so much because I can at any given instant, use techniques that allow me to suddenly recontextualize the fascinating timbral world into music. John Cage said that "Music is just Organized Sound" our looping gear allows us to organize an amazing pallet of sounds that we are not necessarily in control of. If one is too controlling (one of my music and emotional character defects) then improvising live in front of an audience can be a truly liberating experience. I just did a featured spot at the first 3 day Dark Elektronika Festival in San Francisco (Binaural Dimensions). I wrote a long detailed blog about this experience at tribe.net ( http://people.tribe.net/looppool/blog&topicId=1c50aa89-b3fd-4b9f-bb79-c789f114d2b6 ) so I won't go into more detail here, but suffice it to say that I lost my DSP processor which meant that I was completely unable to pitch shift, square wave tremolo, reverb or otherwise modulate my simple found sound sources for the concert.'' Everything that I had worked hard for the week before went completely out of the window in one fell swoop. I was devasted. This put me in an emotional tizzy and I felt like running away. All the other acts were really heavy with huge subsonic slabs of electronica. Anyway, I apologized to the audience and said that the 'darkness' of my performance had to come from the way I was feeling and the primal instruments themselves and not the processing.........................I thought I just sucked terribly but the context of the performance pushed me into places I didn't want to go and people really liked what ended up happening. A sweet woman said that she had seen every act at all three days of the festival and that she found my performance the most inspiring. She said she wanted to go home and start making music.....................................lol, I thought I sucked!!!!!! But Serendipity and chance saved the day. I was approached by many musicians over the course of the evening who complimented me on my performance and I ended up loving the evening even though in the middle of the performance I though it ranked with the worst failures I'd ever mounted on stage. Yeah, Serendipity and Live Looping..............................it's pretty dang cool to be on the edge and let your gear force you into places that make you grow as an artist. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 11:29:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0351F3BECC; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015001c649b6$172739c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:29:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Kris asked: "Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise when you aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling devices, etc?" "Less is More" "Space is the Place" - Sun Ra Absolutely , Kris.................................I always have this paradigm in my mind when I go onstage. Take a Papua New Guinea master musician who has played all of his or her life. Have them discover an Analogue Synthesizer hooked up to an amplifier and turned on in the middle of the forest. what kind of music would that amazing and deep musician make on something that they don't understand or have never even encountered. ***************************************************************** At the same time, I view effects devices as instruments themseslves. If you are presented with a Wok Wisk that is playing through a cheesy Alesis MidiVerb2 infinite reverb (one of my favorite sounds in the world and one that cannot be duplicated with even the most expensive Eventide DSP box) it is a certain sound and it dictates how you can use it. The Wok Wisk by itself completely changes it's timbral context..............................putting anything else through that cheesy DSP process and the same thing doesn't happen. "Timbre is God" ------------- Frank Zappa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 11:36:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F9E43BED9; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CALwoGkSHaSw Message-ID: <004001c649b7$049ba5b0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:36:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0611-1, 16/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <3ya1QB.A.z1C.B9pGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:36:33 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Dennis Montgomery" > How are others doing this? Before you start building a loop, do you have > a preconceived idea of what the loop should express or do you just let the > sound of the loop guide you? For me, my looping is purely organic - I have no conception of the piece that is about to be performed.... (it simply creates itself)... I normally keep the backing loops very minimalistic. If you keep the canvas minimal, it allows for much a much more complex evolution of the piece (if that makes sense) It is only recently that I have really started to use effects. I do however keep my effects limited. I have an octave/compressed double bass pizzicato sound, ring modulation (when plucked, creates drum sounds), a couple of flanged/phased patches and of course tap-tempo delay. There are other patches that I'm working on though. Each effect patch turns the violin into a relatively different instrument. For some reason, I've never post-effected loops. I like to keep the looping pure (what goes in, comes out). I posted a snippet of my first successful jam using effects and Mobius the other day at http://swyatt.com/mp3/2006/130306-02.mp3 - its not as organic as I wanted it to be though, as I'm still trying to program the FCB1010 to operate the way that I want it to.... -- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 11:43:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2B73BED9; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:43:23 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI pc controller for EDP (was: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <25BD510D.03A70DAA.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 212.219.247.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, No, it really was sitting at one pound, forty four pence. I think it's one of those things that Roland put out in the late '80s because it seemed like a good idea, but everybody else just scratched their head at it. They don't show up that often, so there might be a run on it before it finishes tonight though. Nothing surprises me on price in the great eBay bring'n'buy sale. I picked up a fully functional S-770 sampler (£5000 new in the late 80s) for £50 the other week. - Tony Per Boysen wrote: >Wow, that look exactly like the thingy I had envisioned! But it seem >too expensive for me. I guess the price "£1.44 " means one hundred >and forty four pound and not "one pound and forty four cents"? If you >look at the bottom of that page the post mail fee is written "£3.14" >and I just doesn't seem correct that the stamps should be twice as >expensive as the Roland device! __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. 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Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 12:20:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFF873BECF; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <004001c649b7$049ba5b0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> References: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> <004001c649b7$049ba5b0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <34799A78-B540-4AF0-8AB3-ABD9FD90A89F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:20:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:20:49 +0000 (UTC) On 17 mar 2006, at 12.36, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > I posted a snippet of my first successful jam using effects and > Mobius the other day at http://swyatt.com/mp3/2006/130306-02.mp3 - > its not as organic as I wanted it to be though, as I'm still trying > to program the FCB1010 to operate the way that I want it to.... That's a nice piece. I don't feel the need for more organic quality. Actually I like that stiff and machine-like mode you establish with the fist loop, that you keep all through the piece. Especially since you are using a non organic sound to play free in an organic way along that loop. > For some reason, I've never post-effected loops. I like to keep the > looping pure (what goes in, comes out). I too like that way of playing. I have all effects pre looping and play them "as an instrument" (to be looped). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 12:28:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EDD53BED8; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <25BD510D.03A70DAA.59DF470E@netscape.net> References: <25BD510D.03A70DAA.59DF470E@netscape.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <82C7EE16-3D63-4633-B2DF-B7D21A81B1E6@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MIDI pc controller for EDP (was: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:28:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:28:15 +0000 (UTC) On 17 mar 2006, at 12.43, Tony Douglas wrote: > No, it really was sitting at one pound, forty four pence. I think =20 > it's one of those things that Roland put out in the late '80s =20 > because it seemed like a good idea, but everybody else just =20 > scratched their head at it. That's marvelous! Thanks for the heads up, I'll check it out. > Nothing surprises me on price in the great eBay bring'n'buy sale. I =20= > picked up a fully functional S-770 sampler (=A35000 new in the late =20= > 80s) for =A350 the other week. I had an S-330 for my looping rig in 1991. It was a great live =20 sampler! Even though the memory was small it would let you program =20 lots of MIDI mapping setups and access the stored samples in many =20 different ways: like reading it first in forward direction and then =20 in reverse direction before reaching the loop point. Perfect for =20 twisted soundscapes! Especially if you cut one stereo channel sample =20 a little shorter so the left and right channel would never get back =20 in time after the very first loop played back. Not even modern "pro" =20= software samplers can do this. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?=20 id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 14:27:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D82BA3BED0; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SVtT4rj6q51OQhePENP/EEfou5jF7jScCYNwIT3I8f7Xpsa2W1bn6vea6oXYMbLs; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <17575091.1142605673517.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:27:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The ThinkPad T60p - On the Way! 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Kris
 
For that kind of dosh, we expect to wake you up in the morning with a = cup of tea as well. Sounds grand. What are the software programs you intend= to run? With that kind of memory and processor power, you whould have zero= latency difficulties and and glitching. Sorry if I missed you mentioning t= his before.
 
Controller?
 
Todd


-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung
Sent: Mar 16, 2006 10:39 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
Subject: The ThinkPad T60p - On the Way!

Well, I finally got around to ordering a n= ew notebook for music performance application (just tonight). This thi= ng should kick royal butt, and rightly so for $3500. It just came out recen= tly and has the new Intel duo core processor in it. I custom configured the= whole thing with the sales rep on the phone. Here it is:

Model: Lenovo (= IBM) ThinkPad T60p (SKU# 2623D8U) - http://tinyurl.com/zt4w5=
Processor: Intel Core Duo= T2500 2 GHz ( Dual-Core)
RAM: 2 GB
Hardrive= : 100 GB (7200 RPM)
Cache Memory: 2 MB - L2 ca= che
Networking: Network adapt= er - Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, Bluetooth, IEEE 802.11b, IE= EE 802.11a, IEEE 802.11g
Optical Storage: DVD=A6RW= (=A6R DL) / DVD-RAM - plug-in module
Display: 14.1" TFT active= matrix SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) - 24-bit (16.7 million colors)
Grap= hics Controller: ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL V5200 - 256 M
Warranty:&n= bsp; 3 YR TP PROTECTION + 3 YR DEPOT TO 3 YR ONSITE
 
...etc
 
Can't wait to get this thing up and runnin= g!
 
Kris
 
 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 14:29:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 490F23BED6; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:29:24 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] what a loop has to say In-Reply-To: <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: References: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:29:12 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Dennis Montgomery wrote: [snip] > How are others doing this? Before you start building a loop, do you have a > preconceived idea of what the loop should express or do you just let the > sound of the loop guide you? Those out there who perform for an audience, do > you ever introduce a loop like, "this is a loop about dog>"? One of the exciting things I'm > finding about looping is it's a whole new musical form of communication with > a new language of techniques and a new way of saying things. > Dennis Most of the time, I let the sound of the loop define where I'm going, what it needs to do next, what additional loops and layers it wants to play with next, when it wants to take a break and sit back and listen to the other loops play, and when it invites me to come play with it. Other times, I will specifically set out to capture a mood, convey a concept, or use an outside influence to set a tone. For example, I've done several art gallery openings. When I play an art gallery opening, I always walk around and look at the pieces in the art show before I start, then use my reaction to the art that night to play what I get from the art. (In my mind, the art show is the lead, I'm the support, and I feel it good manners to collaborate with the artist who is sharing their space with me that night. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 14:44:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47EC23BED5; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <31cf7ee3b61e5072617cfdb2e7079a69@charter.net> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frisell's 858 Quartet Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:43:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2006 14:43:59.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[39A33E70:01C649D1] Resent-Message-ID: <7fFnuB.A.kfC.wssGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Yeah I saw Frisell's 858 Quartet w/ horn players Ron Miles & Greg Tardy at Zenkel hall in NY. They played along to the films of Jim Woodring. Very different then his other groups I've seen. More compositons, which were very beautiful. & On a tech. note even though he had his rig he did not looping except a few reverse harmonics w/ the line 6 box... >From: tEd ® kiLLiAn >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Sheet Music for Bill Frisell's "Strange Meeting" >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:29:37 -0800 > >Hmmmm, > >Bill is playing next Wednesday night with his "858 Quartet" featuring >Hank Roberts (cello), Eyvind Kang (violin) & Jenny Scheinman (violin). > >It's at the SOU (Southern Oregon University) Recital Hall so I'm expecting >it will be more an exploration of the type of material on his "Richter >858" >than a typical Frisell gig. > >I just bought a ticket for it online this evening. Anyone else see this >lineup recently? > >The Recital Hall has excellent acoustics, it normally hosts classical >music performances and such. I guess this group qualifies as a >"string quartet" of sorts. > >Now I have something to look forward to. > >tEd ® kiLLiAn > >"Different is not always better, but better is always different" > >http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 >http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 >http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 >http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? >step=view_profile&id=121197000042 > >Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, >BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, >AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, >RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, >and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 14:48:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 927EA3BED5; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <09ec01c6497b$6d445e40$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (Sheet Music for) Bill Frisell's ("Strange Meeting") Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:48:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2006 14:48:08.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE4F16C0:01C649D1] Resent-Message-ID: <1LYHPC.A.YrC.pwsGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Kris, ECM put out this out a few years ago & you should be able to find it online http://www.ecmrecords.com/Catalogue/ECM/1900/1902.php?lvredir=712&cat=%2FArtists%2FMotian+Paul+Trio%23%23Paul+Motian+Trio&catid=0&doctype=Catalogue&order=releasedate&rubchooser=901&mainrubchooser=9 Cheers Lou >From: "Kris Hartung" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: (Sheet Music for) Bill Frisell's ("Strange Meeting") >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:29:47 -0700 > >Do you have any of his work with Paul Motion? I still need to pick that >up...hard to find. > >Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ditch wrestler > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: (Sheet Music for) Bill Frisell's ("Strange Meeting") > > > > I'm a pretty big Bill fan and seen three times live - the most recent >was in Erie, PA this past May with the Unspeakable Orchestra. > > Shy? Hell, yes. I think at all the concerts he said about three words >other than introducing the band. I got backstage at concet #2 (art gallery >in Buffalo w/ tony schear and joey baron ) and got a few more words out of >him but joey was a riot. > > Bill's pretty mellow - not sure if it's from too much pot or what; in a >few interviews I've read he does come across as rather articulate - maybe >he puts an effort into them... > > I've got about 2 dozen of his cd's - either as leader, co-leader, or a >guest. My favourites are probably "Have A Little Faith" and "This Land" >(which have the same players on them and I've always viewed them together >as a double album) but he had a really great run of Nashville, Gone Just >Like a Train and Good Man Happy Dog. The recent live album - East West - >is also a keeper. > > > ted harms. > > > Kevin wrote: > At 09:37 PM 3/15/2006, you wrote: > >Bill actually talked on a video? > > Well, he tries to. When words fail him, he continues the explanation > on the guitar, where his true voice is. > > Have you seen him live? Live performance is when he's at his best. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 15:08:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DD5D3BECD; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ab401c649d4$959a2740$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> <441A1723.8050401@speakeasy.net> <2eaa57a77732aba8cc7b5609afec1d9d@charter.net> <8bbb113c0a0a4df6f5fc724936f0b189@pfmentum.com> <003201c6499a$c9870c60$74b85545@Biffoz> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:08:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.611000 Contains 'Dear friend'=1.6 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 502, in=241908, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <6DfcAB.A.OzD.WDtGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:08:07 +0000 (UTC) > Believe me, there have been times when I've just closed the loop, and > found > such a dire, dark thing before me I nearly had to flee! I'm not talking > about a flawed loop with a mistake or anything--but rather something > totally > unexpected and unique--challenging me to understand it and add to it > meaningfully. It's amazing isn't it? I empathize with the dark comment. The last live performance I did with a percussionist with me was that way...I was just in a weird, dark, and nebulous mood. And it didn't help that my guitar was tuned down a whole third. :) At one point in time, the percussionist just stopped playing and looked at me as if saying "what dark, evil planet is your mind on right now...are you insane?". The freedom on knowing that you have absolutely no creative limitations and you can push the boundaries as far as you dare is exhilarating. Do we need a artistic permit to get away with this? Kris > > Miko Biffle > "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" > C;mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz > Now playing "Rough" www.cdbaby.com/biffoz > The Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ > > On Mar 16, 2006, at 8:14 PM, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: >>> I make no judgment on others (or you in particular) for being another >>> way. Actually, I feel that I am the one who is deficient here. I would >>> love to be able to sit down on my guitar stool and think in the >>> abstract . . . okay, I am now going to evoke . . . spring, a sunny >>> day, lost innocence, memories of whatever . . . lost love, my dog, my >>> truck, my doughnut, heheheh. Really! > >> I don't think you are being deficient at all. I think the desire to >> apply a referenced "meaning" to a loop outside of the music is fine, no >> judgment here either. But is the application/explanation of meaning >> really what the music is about? If you are using lyrics it is one >> thing. Lyrics reference the word-based meaning directly. But your lack >> of desire to apply meaning to the abstract (your instrumental music), >> my dear friend Ted, is...anything but deficient. If anything, I think >> it is being more true to the music, by allowing the music to be itself >> and to present itself to others on its own terms free of applied >> meaning that might not only be meaningless to the audience, but even >> take away from the experience... But now, of course, we get on to the >> eternal discussion of programmatic versus absolute music... -Jeff > >> Jeff Kaiser >> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >> pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 15:09:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 218083BEC7; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Sx/Jn0RA05CcyzWoJO8F2ORsK2j/PJRPQWNu1zrYeRL+NFn6ElxFIGmzfs90T9SgoklmgZyhw8bvU6Rq374DJo3kNPdfYSoWOZeMFdN2W9LziRtaMumz0IDy1KXL8d81mZeiw/VEJyudUUCxrSjBMqwzI0p2l5jqFJWl/HQ3UOw= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603170709h122aca86wd070d59473d9ec5b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:09:43 +0000 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (Sheet Music for) Bill Frisell's ("Strange Meeting") In-Reply-To: <09ec01c6497b$6d445e40$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060317034753.74872.qmail@web33807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <09ec01c6497b$6d445e40$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Lots of it has been rereleased lately, for example all three 'On Broadway' volumes are available now. It helps if you spell Paul Motian's name correctly when searching for them.= :-) On 3/17/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Do you have any of his work with Paul Motion? I still need to pick that > up...hard to find. > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ditch wrestler > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: (Sheet Music for) Bill Frisell's ("Strange Meeting") > > > > I'm a pretty big Bill fan and seen three times live - the most recent was= in > Erie, PA this past May with the Unspeakable Orchestra. > > Shy? Hell, yes. I think at all the concerts he said about three words > other than introducing the band. I got backstage at concet #2 (art galle= ry > in Buffalo w/ tony schear and joey baron ) and got a few more words out o= f > him but joey was a riot. > > Bill's pretty mellow - not sure if it's from too much pot or what; in a f= ew > interviews I've read he does come across as rather articulate - maybe he > puts an effort into them... > > I've got about 2 dozen of his cd's - either as leader, co-leader, or a > guest. My favourites are probably "Have A Little Faith" and "This Land" > (which have the same players on them and I've always viewed them together= as > a double album) but he had a really great run of Nashville, Gone Just Lik= e a > Train and Good Man Happy Dog. The recent live album - East West - is als= o a > keeper. > > > ted harms. > > > Kevin wrote: > At 09:37 PM 3/15/2006, you wrote: > >Bill actually talked on a video? > > Well, he tries to. When words fail him, he continues the explanation > on the guitar, where his true voice is. > > Have you seen him live? Live performance is when he's at his best. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 15:13:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2449F3BEDE; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1HRHFbTerlxCBLJLFtDp5Nh+mKbzwB8pNWBYoCesuz33TPbcgE8EU/EOvQNBRKVrSZPQgkGhc/Qv3egf060v0r8HDaDVpnluoDx1CvIsw76HQ+TP7hNmCodtiF3v0u/WRR32cVUTPqJQOjo6u3pif1sasQB+7lYbuc8ILKuTjQg= ; Message-ID: <20060317151322.21993.qmail@web37907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:13:22 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: pre loop prep To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-860320149-1142608402=:21542" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:13:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-860320149-1142608402=:21542 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit this may be a sad fact...but if i dont smoke like a hobbit my music suffers.it may be im too in touch with reality when not slightly "altered".and a few times a year for something special...."shrooms"takes the music to a level of vision quest proportions. this is not an endorsement of abuse.it may be the clouded perspective of a damaged mind.i believe these things help my expression. keep marc emery free. scary visionary --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! 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this may be a sad fact...but if i dont smoke like a hobbit my music suffers.it may be im too in touch with reality when not slightly "altered".and a few times a year for something special...."shrooms"takes the music to a level of vision quest proportions.
this is not an endorsement of abuse.it may be the clouded perspective of a damaged mind.i believe these things help my expression.
                                      keep marc emery free.
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PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-860320149-1142608402=:21542-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 15:14:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5CFE3BECC; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ac001c649d5$6c7cd5a0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060317081404.29126.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The ThinkPad T60p - On the Way! Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:14:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0ABD_01C6499A.BF5D93D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 504, in=254799, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:14:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0ABD_01C6499A.BF5D93D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > oh man,that seems like an audio royal king,now u wanna > give us a link to the poormans version of it(that is > under 1000.00 dlls? I think the T60 SKU's start at $1299 list (see below), which means you = can probably get one for around a grand. But that is the Intel solo, not = duo processor. Duos list prices for the T60s start at $1500. The SKU is = below, but you can always customize even more on the phone with the = sales rep, which is a good thing to do. Ordering from the web is very = limited in terms of options.=20 Here is theh page that shows all the models and list prices: = http://tinyurl.com/h5rqd (by the way, I think tinyurl is the greatest = thing since sliced bread!) Kris ThinkPad T60 1953D5U 1953-D5U $1,299 40.0 GB / 5400 rpm, Intel Core Solo processor T1300, 256 MB, CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo, 14.1-in TFT 1024 x 768, Intel 945GM, Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 chipset, 6-cell battery, Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 1:14 AM Subject: Re: The ThinkPad T60p - On the Way! > oh man,that seems like an audio royal king,now u wanna > give us a link to the poormans version of it(that is > under 1000.00 dlls? >=20 >=20 > --- Kris Hartung wrote: >=20 >> Well, I finally got around to ordering a new >> notebook for music performance application (just >> tonight). This thing should kick royal butt, and >> rightly so for $3500. It just came out recently and >> has the new Intel duo core processor in it. I custom >> configured the whole thing with the sales rep on the >> phone. Here it is: >>=20 >> Model: Lenovo (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (SKU# 2623D8U) - >> http://tinyurl.com/zt4w5 >> Processor: Intel Core Duo T2500 2 GHz ( Dual-Core) >> RAM: 2 GB >> Hardrive: 100 GB (7200 RPM) >> Cache Memory: 2 MB - L2 cache=20 >> Networking: Network adapter - Ethernet, Fast >> Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, Bluetooth, IEEE 802.11b, >> IEEE 802.11a, IEEE 802.11g >> Optical Storage: DVD=A6RW (=A6R DL) / DVD-RAM - plug-in >> module >> Display: 14.1" TFT active matrix SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) >> - 24-bit (16.7 million colors)=20 >> Graphics Controller: ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL V5200 - >> 256 M >> Warranty: 3 YR TP PROTECTION + 3 YR DEPOT TO 3 YR >> ONSITE >>=20 >> ...etc >>=20 >> Can't wait to get this thing up and running! >>=20 >> Kris >>=20 >=20 >=20 > www.luis-angulo.com >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0ABD_01C6499A.BF5D93D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> oh man,that seems like an audio = royal king,now=20 u wanna
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>=20 under 1000.00 dlls?
 
I think the T60 SKU's start at $1299 = list (see=20 below), which means you can probably get one for around a grand. But = that is the=20 Intel solo, not duo processor. Duos list prices for the T60s start at = $1500. The=20 SKU is below, but you can always customize even more on the phone with = the sales=20 rep, which is a good thing to do. Ordering from the web is very limited = in terms=20 of options.
 
Here is theh page that shows all the = models and=20 list prices: http://tinyurl.com/h5rqd = (by the way,=20 I think tinyurl is the greatest thing since sliced bread!)
 
Kris
 
 
ThinkPad=20 T60           &nbs= p;    =20 1953D5U      = 1953-D5U     =20 $1,299
40.0 GB / 5400 rpm,
Intel Core Solo
processor = T1300,
256=20 MB, CD-RW/DVD-ROM
Combo, 14.1-in TFT
1024 x 768, Intel
= 945GM, Intel=20 Graphics
Media Accelerator 950
chipset, 6-cell
battery, = Intel
=20 PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luis Angulo" <labalou2000@yahoo.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 1:14 = AM
Subject: Re: The ThinkPad T60p - On the = Way!

> oh man,that seems like an audio royal king,now u = wanna
> give=20 us a link to the poormans version of it(that is
> under 1000.00=20 dlls?
>
>
> --- Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
>
>> Well, I finally got around to ordering a=20 new
>> notebook for music performance application = (just
>>=20 tonight). This thing should kick royal butt, and
>> rightly so = for=20 $3500. It just came out recently and
>> has the new Intel duo = core=20 processor in it. I custom
>> configured the whole thing with = the sales=20 rep on the
>> phone. Here it is:
>>
>> = Model: Lenovo=20 (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (SKU# 2623D8U) -
>> http://tinyurl.com/zt4w5
>>=20 Processor: Intel Core Duo T2500 2 GHz ( Dual-Core)
>> RAM: 2=20 GB
>> Hardrive: 100 GB (7200 RPM)
>> Cache Memory: 2 = MB - L2=20 cache
>> Networking: Network adapter - Ethernet, = Fast
>>=20 Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, Bluetooth, IEEE 802.11b,
>> IEEE = 802.11a,=20 IEEE 802.11g
>> Optical Storage: DVD=A6RW (=A6R DL) / DVD-RAM - = plug-in
>> module
>> Display: 14.1" TFT active matrix = SXGA+=20 (1400 x 1050)
>> - 24-bit (16.7 million colors)
>> = Graphics=20 Controller: ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL V5200 -
>> 256 M
>>=20 Warranty:  3 YR TP PROTECTION + 3 YR DEPOT TO 3 YR
>>=20 ONSITE
>>
>> ...etc
>>
>> Can't = wait to=20 get this thing up and running!
>>
>> Kris
>> =
>
>
> www.luis-angulo.com
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> ------=_NextPart_000_0ABD_01C6499A.BF5D93D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 15:29:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C3CA3BED8; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ae101c649d7$87a76a50$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060317045728.YVEP17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> <0a3801c64983$af5aba60$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:29:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 502, in=241931, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:29:09 +0000 (UTC) From: "mech" > With that in mind, I'd ask a question to clarify the situation you're > speaking of. When you use effects, do you use them to augment the > existing tonalities or to transform the instrument into something > completely different? For me both. I do have some effects that completely mangle my original tone until it doesn't sound like a guitar anymore, but others that are more transparent and just flavor (mild or spicy) to my original tone. I suppose effects that have a fairly immediate effect on my tone are less of an issue in terms of taking credit for the overall output, vs me taking credit for creating something interesting to begin with. The example I have with the long delays is a good one. There are just some effects that take your original tone and then take a life of their own...those are the one's stealing the credit for creativity. I play one note, and the gear arpeggiates, produces a completely elongated and lush pad of sounds that have nothing to do with my original raw guitar note. So, I guess this is a matter of degree and qualifying which type of effects, rather than making a blanket statement about all effects. Some or more obtrusive than others. > I find that when I use effects as ornamentation -- to "dress up" the > existing sound -- I can very often paint myself into a similar corner as > you are describing. It seems that past a certain point it becomes > difficult to wrangle the burbling mess into something meaningful. At that > instant, I'm frequently left with the impression that I'm doing nothing > more than trying to hide the original instrument; obscuring it rather than > trying to cull some bit of truth from it. Yep. I agree competely. That's my point. It's like we can have a love-hate relationship with our gear. > On the other hand, I frequently use effects in a transformative manner -- > where the effect is an indistinguishable and integral part of the sound. > Best example I can give is from the last improv session our group did a > couple weeks ago. On one cut, I had found a excellent slide guitar patch > on my Yamaha VL70-m, which I happened to be playing with my WX-11 wind > controller. It sounded pretty good by itself (despite the fact that the > tone module is monophonic) but then I ran it through an intelligent > harmonizer and started playing a bit with chord voicings. Suddenly, it > dropped into a full-blown pedal steel, complete with Nashville-inspired > slides and transpositions. > > In that instance, the effect *became* the sound. There were no problems > of the sort you mention, because the effect was used to create a brand new > instrument, rather than merely add more extra dimension to an existing > one. Yes, you are in agreement with my clarification above on the two different types of sound. A similar situation for me is the guitar synth patch on my VF-1. Sure, it completely transforms my original guitar sound, but when I play an E as a quarter note, that's what I get in the output, not a 20 second effect that I have no control over, or for which I can't take credit. It seems harsh, but effects can and often to take the place of talent. It is easy to hind behind the cool effects, rather than using raw talent and having the effects just enhance what you do. I suppose I could claim the same about looping. I know and have seen solo looping guitarist who really couldn't stand on their own as soloist without the looping gear. They use their limited talent to build layers of sounds that end up sounding rather sophisticated, but require very little technical ability...playing a few quarter and whole notes here and there, using some lush delays and pads, etc. Yet when I see someone that can play like Joe Pass, or even half of Pass, sit down and play, I know this guy doesn't need anything but his instrument to express himself...a looping device would be an enhancement of his talent, not a substitute. Kris > > -- > _______ > "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 15:38:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC2BC3BECF; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0af001c649d8$d46aa400$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060317045728.YVEP17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> <0a3801c64983$af5aba60$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <564A3A87-98C8-4D99-8B70-C1AA30EE3738@boysen.se> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:38:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 504, in=244692, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Agreed, Per, though I would clarify even more (for me) that it is about being aware of the music, but also who or what is generating the music and taking responsibility for this. If I play one note and my gear generates an entire 5 minute song by randominzing that note, sequencing,, etc...that's hardly a case of me being aware of my own music. That's letting the gear to the work for me. That's not even musicianship in my book. My 10 month old kids can do this. So simply being aware of the music and letting it flow through me is not a complete criteria as I see it....but I know what you are getting at here and agree with your concept. Again, there are varying degrees of what we are talking about here, and all exceptions noted. Kris > Interesting topic, Kris! I think that in the best of wolds it shouldn't > matter how many effects you are using. What matters is that you should > not be aware of those effects when you play. You should only be aware of > the music that flows through you. The moment you start thinking about > effects as being "effects", then is the time for either stripping down > your rack or going back to rehears with those effects according to the > "300 percent over learning method", that will let you forget about it all > but still being able to unconsciously draw on that knowledge in the heat > of the performance. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=128679560&s=143456 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 15:39:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3D2F3BEE0; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0ac001c649d5$6c7cd5a0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060317081404.29126.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> <0ac001c649d5$6c7cd5a0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <92A91720-8C04-4969-AE92-BAFFBDAFA64C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The ThinkPad T60p - On the Way! Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:39:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:39:32 +0000 (UTC) On 17 mar 2006, at 16.14, Kris Hartung wrote: > Here is theh page that shows all the models and list prices: http:// > tinyurl.com/h5rqd Nice to see that they now come also with a "customized touch pad". I used to have a ThinkPad and I just hated that TrackPoint stick. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 15:44:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2EFD3BEF3; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441AD958.8000702@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:44:24 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what a loop has to say References: <20060317045728.YVEP17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> <0a3801c64983$af5aba60$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <564A3A87-98C8-4D99-8B70-C1AA30EE3738@boysen.se> <0af001c649d8$d46aa400$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0af001c649d8$d46aa400$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5BqBz.A.nbF.bltGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Well Kris, that very much depends on where you draw the line of musicianship, and what you consider music. If it takes ages to set up a randomization patch, do the scripting for the post-recording sequencing, and handling the massive amounts of data that is sometimes required (like in a max/msp patch) is that then still not part of the musical process? I believe mr. LaFosse and others would make great use of that one note, and even though it's just technological tom-foolery it is still highly musical, and beyond the reach of your average 10-month old. Most of my looping these days is based on a more-or-less random audio input, that does not make it less musical, at least to my ears. Andreas Kris Hartung wrote: > [...]it is about > being aware of the music, but also who or what is generating the music and > taking responsibility for this. If I play one note and my gear generates an > entire 5 minute song by randominzing that note, sequencing,, etc...that's > hardly a case of me being aware of my own music. That's letting the gear to > the work for me. That's not even musicianship in my book. My 10 month old > kids can do this. So simply being aware of the music and letting it flow > through me is not a complete criteria as I see it....but I know what you > are > getting at here and agree with your concept. Again, there are varying > degrees of what we are talking about here, and all exceptions noted. > > Kris >> > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 15:46:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9233E3BEDF; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b0301c649d9$eacea560$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060317093936.63675.qmail@web37915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:46:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B00_01C6499F.3DC7A680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -chris -interface -kindly -https -solving -mails -registration -queue +yahoo X-Aspam: URLS scored 0.8 yahoo.com servername.com netwin.co.nz X-Aspam: Best match was sample c:\good\1052269076.289_200.ball X-Aspam: Total 0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 502, in=241960, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:46:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0B00_01C6499F.3DC7A680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My wife once told me that when I sit down with my acoustic guitar and = just play freely, that what she hears sound more creative than anything = else I do with my gear, looping, etc. I find that sort of interesting = (sometimes discouraging)...makes me start to question what is really = necessary for me to express myself artistically, vs. hiding behind the = gear. Heck, if I can sit down at a gig with just my acoustic, and = satisfy both myself and others artistically, I'd probably be retired = right now with all the money I would have saved! :) But I just love the effects, and I openly admit that "sometimes" they do = substitute for true, raw creativity. I would be surprised if anyone on = this list who uses a lot of gear thought or felt otherwise. It would = take quite a artistic genius to ALWAYS, 100% of the time, have effects = acquiesce to one's talent and creativity, rather than the other way = around. Either an artistic genius, or a complete liar. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: daniel stevenson=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:39 AM Subject: Re: what a loop has to say i do find the clean acoustic guitar to be my muse.yet ill mangle it = with reverse and speed control.varible delay times seems to keep the = sound pure.maybe just a phase im goin thru but nothing beats a good ole = acoustic source into a looper. my best regards, scary = visionary. Kris Hartung wrote: > Yep, to me a loop says, "Freedom." > G Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise = when you=20 aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling devices, = etc? I've=20 found this to be the case with me. I love all the cool effects at my = disposal - the Boss VF-1, hundreds of VST effects, LXP5, etc - but = they=20 sometimes produce artificial restrictions or boundaries on my = creativity. I=20 tend to be more intentionally and genuinely creative, and less = enamored and=20 influenced by technology, when I just play with a clean guitar sound = with=20 just a touch of reverb and delay for ambiance. You have nothing but = the=20 notes, basically, no window dressing to distract the creative = process. I'm=20 sure this is quite subjective and relative, but I'd be curious what = others=20 think of this. I guess just the simple sound of the guitar forces me = to=20 think more out of the box, rather than relying on the box. For = example, you=20 have a effect patch that has two octaves and panning delays that go = on=20 forrrrrrrever....you play one "note"...just one human data-point of=20 interaction, and the gear takes credit for the rest of the = interesting sound=20 for the next minute. And I start to think to myself, what is really = creative=20 about that? I could play 10 notes in 3 minutes and produce a song = that=20 requires very little creative energy. It would be interesting to = take all=20 of our looping songs and strip every single cool effect from them, = resulting=20 in just the initially, humanly generated notes and natural sound of = the=20 instrument...what might we discover? How much of the intrigue of the = song is=20 generated by the gear vs. human creative energy? These are just open = questions for discussion. I'm not necessarily making any categorical = point=20 here. And in this regard, I really respect a lot of the work of Derek = Bailey,=20 where its just him and his hollowbody guitar...quite amazing what a = guy can=20 do with just a guitar and amp. ...I'm off to bed now. It's been a long day. Kris -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ------=_NextPart_000_0B00_01C6499F.3DC7A680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My wife once told me that when I sit = down with my=20 acoustic guitar and just play freely, that what she hears sound more = creative=20 than anything else I do with my gear, looping, etc. I find that sort of=20 interesting (sometimes discouraging)...makes me start to question what = is really=20 necessary for me to express myself artistically, vs. hiding behind = the=20 gear. Heck, if I can sit down at a gig with just my acoustic, and = satisfy both=20 myself and others artistically, I'd probably be retired right now with = all the=20 money I would have saved!  :)
 
But I just love the effects, and I = openly admit=20 that "sometimes" they do substitute for true, raw creativity. I would be = surprised if anyone on this list who uses a lot of gear thought or felt=20 otherwise.  It would take quite a artistic genius to ALWAYS, = 100% of=20 the time, have effects acquiesce to one's talent and creativity, rather = than the=20 other way around. Either an artistic genius, or a complete = liar.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 daniel=20 stevenson
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 = 2:39=20 AM
Subject: Re: what a loop has to = say

i do find the clean acoustic guitar to be my muse.yet ill mangle = it with=20 reverse and speed control.varible delay times seems to keep the = sound=20 pure.maybe just a phase im goin thru but nothing beats a good ole = acoustic=20 source into a looper.
=
           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           =20 my best regards,
=
           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =  =20 scary visionary.

Kris Hartung=20 <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
>=20 Yep, to me a loop says, "Freedom."
> G

Speaking of = which, does=20 anyone find it easier to freely improvise when you
aren't using = layers=20 and layers of effects, tone mangling devices, etc? I've
found = this to be=20 the case with me. I love all the cool effects at my
disposal - = the Boss=20 VF-1, hundreds of VST effects, LXP5, etc - but they
sometimes = produce=20 artificial restrictions or boundaries on my creativity. I
tend = to be=20 more intentionally and genuinely creative, and less enamored and=20
influenced by technology, when I just play with a clean guitar = sound=20 with
just a touch of reverb and delay for ambiance. You have = nothing but=20 the
notes, basically, no window dressing to distract the = creative=20 process. I'm
sure this is quite subjective and relative, but I'd = be=20 curious what others
think of this. I guess just the simple sound = of the=20 guitar forces me to
think more out of the box, rather than = relying on=20 the box. For example, you
have a effect patch that has two = octaves and=20 panning delays that go on
forrrrrrrever....you play one = "note"...just=20 one human data-point of
interaction, and the gear takes credit = for the=20 rest of the interesting sound
for the next minute. And I start = to think=20 to myself, what is really creative
about that? I could play 10 = notes in=20 3 minutes and produce a song that
requires very little creative = energy.=20 It would be interesting to take all
of our looping songs and = strip every=20 single cool effect from them, resulting
in just the initially, = humanly=20 generated notes and natural sound of the
instrument...what might = we=20 discover? How much of the intrigue of the song is
generated by = the gear=20 vs. human creative energy? These are just open
questions for = discussion.=20 I'm not necessarily making any categorical point =
here.

And in=20 this regard, I really respect a lot of the work of Derek Bailey, =
where=20 its just him and his hollowbody guitar...quite amazing what a guy = can
do=20 with just a guitar and amp.

...I'm off to bed now. It's been = a long=20 day.

Kris



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Use=20 Photomail to share photos without annoying=20 attachments. ------=_NextPart_000_0B00_01C6499F.3DC7A680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 15:56:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 412CA3BEDD; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060317075321.01abc060@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:56:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: blind plug (was: unrounded multiply question/praise the edp) In-Reply-To: <741A0500-6D04-4BA0-879D-8F10FAAAC907@bluemail.ch> References: <005601c648a1$d41c0b20$6600a8c0@presto> <8E047758-1731-4159-81FB-462A5342B971@bluemail.ch> <741A0500-6D04-4BA0-879D-8F10FAAAC907@bluemail.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:56:23 +0000 (UTC) >If you are using the modes where you can choose between Knob and >Pedal settings (Long Multiply in Stutter Mode for example) you can >switch between the Knob setting (say 50 per cent) and 100 per cent >if you leave the contacts within the blind plug open - 0 per cent if >you choose to close it respectively (or both options if you are >using a momentary switch foot pedal instead of a blind plug) Hi, I'm an idiot! :-) Sorry, I just had to get that out of the way. I've been biting my tongue since the "Jack" discussion: "So, uh, you don't know Jack?" Anyway, I don't understand your explanation. Could you elaborate? Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:06:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06C363BED9; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b5f01c649dc$af0bd9a0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060317045728.YVEP17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> <0a3801c64983$af5aba60$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <564A3A87-98C8-4D99-8B70-C1AA30EE3738@boysen.se> <0af001c649d8$d46aa400$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441AD958.8000702@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:05:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 504, in=254879, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:06:03 +0000 (UTC) > Well Kris, that very much depends on where you draw the line of > musicianship, and what you consider music. Absolutely. It's not so cut and dried, but very fuzzy...which is why this thread will likely go on for a long time. If it takes ages to set up a > randomization patch, do the scripting for the post-recording sequencing, > and handling the massive amounts of data that is sometimes required (like > in a max/msp patch) is that then still not part of the musical process? I call that craft, not art or musicianship. It's just my strong opinion on the subject. It is a part of the musical process, I agree, but not what I consider the driving force behind musical art. That transcents gear in my opinion. I defer to Rick's comments on musicians from other cultures. Whatever they have inside of them that sparks the miricle of creativity, we have too have inside, but you don't find it in 1's and 0s inside of a chip or processor. That's after the fact, or before the fact if you are using it to prepare for performance. > I believe mr. LaFosse and others would make great use of that one note, > and even though it's just technological tom-foolery it is still highly > musical, and beyond the reach of your average 10-month old. Sure, my kids can't program a unit to complete transform one basic note into an entire song, but someone else can for them. Again, what is the musician taking credit for? The note? The processor and engineering that transforms the note? What do we mean by saying "making use of that one note?" Who is making use if it? These are more rhetorical questions, of course, subject to wildly varying, subjective, and contradictory responses! > Most of my looping these days is based on a more-or-less random audio > input, that does not make it less musical, at least to my ears. > Andreas That's cool. I do that on occasion, using the SunRa VST plugin...I don't take credit for the output or consider it a facet of my artistic creativity. It's just fun to play with. Kris > Kris Hartung wrote: >> [...]it is about >> being aware of the music, but also who or what is generating the music >> and >> taking responsibility for this. If I play one note and my gear generates >> an >> entire 5 minute song by randominzing that note, sequencing,, etc...that's >> hardly a case of me being aware of my own music. That's letting the gear >> to >> the work for me. That's not even musicianship in my book. My 10 month >> old >> kids can do this. So simply being aware of the music and letting it flow >> through me is not a complete criteria as I see it....but I know what you >> are >> getting at here and agree with your concept. Again, there are varying >> degrees of what we are talking about here, and all exceptions noted. >> >> Kris > >>> >> >> >> >> . >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:11:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AF983BED6; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Server-Uuid: 19320F60-75F1-4C03-876A-1D6F44F99F6F Subject: Re: what a loop has to say To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: matthew.quinn@sunlife.com Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:11:36 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.4 HF129|May 12, 2005) at 03/17/2006 11:12:01 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6804003A1VK1795569-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Boy I wish I had the time to respond to this the way I'd like- maybe I'll get to it next week when I get back from Amsterdam...... Basically though, IMO- NO effects box can do anything unless a person is operating it. Until that's not the case, you have to accept that they are tools that requires some skill (how much is debatable) to 'play'. There are a lot of paralells in this conversation with the age old 'Is the turntable an instrument?' debate, but what they both boil down to IMO is the fact that neither a turntable or an effects unit is particularly impressive without someone skillfully operating it. I mean, if you follow the logic of 'hiding behind gear', where do you draw the line? When you pluck an acoustic guitar, you aren't making the sound- very basic technology (strings vibrating over a sound hole) creates the sound. Are you then hiding behind the technology of the acoustic guitar? I guess only vocalists would be considered pure musicians then. ; ) To me- if I can use it (whether 'it' be a bass, a wood block, a Flanger, a laptop or a Repeater) to make noise, it's an instrument. From there the only thing that matters is how the artist chooses to use the sound creation device. Well that got a little more lengthy than I thought I was going to go.....just some Friday morning ramblings. "Kris Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 03/17/2006 10:46 AM Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Please respond to Loopers-Delight My wife once told me that when I sit down with my acoustic guitar and just play freely, that what she hears sound more creative than anything else I do with my gear, looping, etc. I find that sort of interesting (sometimes discouraging)...makes me start to question what is really necessary for me to express myself artistically, vs. hiding behind the gear. Heck, if I can sit down at a gig with just my acoustic, and satisfy both myself and others artistically, I'd probably be retired right now with all the money I would have saved! :) But I just love the effects, and I openly admit that "sometimes" they do substitute for true, raw creativity. I would be surprised if anyone on this list who uses a lot of gear thought or felt otherwise. It would take quite a artistic genius to ALWAYS, 100% of the time, have effects acquiesce to one's talent and creativity, rather than the other way around. Either an artistic genius, or a complete liar. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: daniel stevenson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:39 AM Subject: Re: what a loop has to say i do find the clean acoustic guitar to be my muse.yet ill mangle it with reverse and speed control.varible delay times seems to keep the sound pure.maybe just a phase im goin thru but nothing beats a good ole acoustic source into a looper. my best regards, scary visionary. Kris Hartung wrote: > Yep, to me a loop says, "Freedom." > G Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise when you aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling devices, etc? I've found this to be the case with me. I love all the cool effects at my disposal - the Boss VF-1, hundreds of VST effects, LXP5, etc - but they sometimes produce artificial restrictions or boundaries on my creativity. I tend to be more intentionally and genuinely creative, and less enamored and influenced by technology, when I just play with a clean guitar sound with just a touch of reverb and delay for ambiance. You have nothing but the notes, basically, no window dressing to distract the creative process. I'm sure this is quite subjective and relative, but I'd be curious what others think of this. I guess just the simple sound of the guitar forces me to think more out of the box, rather than relying on the box. For example, you have a effect patch that has two octaves and panning delays that go on forrrrrrrever....you play one "note"...just one human data-point of interaction, and the gear takes credit for the rest of the interesting sound for the next minute. And I start to think to myself, what is really creative about that? I could play 10 notes in 3 minutes and produce a song that requires very little creative energy. It would be interesting to take all of our looping songs and strip every single cool effect from them, resulting in just the initially, humanly generated notes and natural sound of the instrument...what might we discover? How much of the intrigue of the song is generated by the gear vs. human creative energy? These are just open questions for discussion. I'm not necessarily making any categorical point here. And in this regard, I really respect a lot of the work of Derek Bailey, where its just him and his hollowbody guitar...quite amazing what a guy can do with just a guitar and amp. ...I'm off to bed now. It's been a long day. Kris Yahoo! 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:13:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7F4A3BED9; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ggZwHprbkWmTLesH/KW69g60NRRmRjnxaYvXQJQNeXt2zV2BqHhTA4uhlUd2DNAs; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <7322885.1142611988044.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:13:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Park Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a1c0313d9bcd828a20f389d8d9220a30350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:13:09 +0000 (UTC) I am also curious if anyone has tried the Echo Park's stablemate, the reverb pedal whose name escapes me. ~Tim www.myspace.com/timmungenast -----Original Message----- >From: mech >Sent: Mar 17, 2006 3:14 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Park > >At 10:57 PM +0000 3/16/06, Ian Popperwell wrote: >> >>I've been off the list for a while and am glad to be back. I've just >>bought the Line6 Echo Park, the new unprogrammable version of the >>DL4 without a looper - oh, that makes it sound rubbish doesn't it... >>It's a single stomp box type delay pedal with pretty much the same >>delay models in it as the DL4 - but with some useful shortcuts to >>make the non-programmability more pallatable. I'm using it at gigs >>alongside my DL4 and really like it (compact + a great sound) - >>thought it worth bringing to the >>attention of the list. > >Ian, > >I believe the Echo Park actually came up as a discussion item very >soon after its initial release. At that time the early adopters >complained about a high S/N ratio and poorer fidelity than on the DL4 >or Echo Pro, so many people just went on about their normal lives >afterward. > >However, there doesn't ever seem to be a "final word" on gear. Tell >us, have you noticed any noise issues with your unit? In terms of >sound quality and background hiss, how does it stack up on a >head-to-head against your DL4? > > --m. > >-- >_______ >"Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play > I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:17:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 376293BEFB; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b6f01c649de$388cb270$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <17575091.1142605673517.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The ThinkPad T60p - On the Way! Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:16:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.500000 Content: cid=56(1.5) =1.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 502, in=242033, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:17:04 +0000 (UTC) I'll be using, EnergyXT (VST host), Mobius, PSP84, PSP42, Pluggo, Antares Filter, Antares Kantos, and a whole slew of other VST effects. I wish this thing would make tea of coffee for me in the morning! Right now, my only potential concern with the unit is the soundcard (which is my concern with any notebook), but I will likely just use my SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook, plugged into the PCMCIA slot. But I will try out the existing soundcard and load the Universal ASIO Driver - http://www.asio4all.com/ I wish they allowed a custom configuration of the soundcard. Kris For that kind of dosh, we expect to wake you up in the morning with a cup of tea as well. Sounds grand. What are the software programs you intend to run? With that kind of memory and processor power, you whould have zero latency difficulties and and glitching. Sorry if I missed you mentioning this before. Controller? Todd -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung Sent: Mar 16, 2006 10:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The ThinkPad T60p - On the Way! Well, I finally got around to ordering a new notebook for music performance application (just tonight). This thing should kick royal butt, and rightly so for $3500. It just came out recently and has the new Intel duo core processor in it. I custom configured the whole thing with the sales rep on the phone. Here it is: Model: Lenovo (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (SKU# 2623D8U) - http://tinyurl.com/zt4w5 Processor: Intel Core Duo T2500 2 GHz ( Dual-Core) RAM: 2 GB Hardrive: 100 GB (7200 RPM) Cache Memory: 2 MB - L2 cache Networking: Network adapter - Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, Bluetooth, IEEE 802.11b, IEEE 802.11a, IEEE 802.11g Optical Storage: DVD¦RW (¦R DL) / DVD-RAM - plug-in module Display: 14.1" TFT active matrix SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) - 24-bit (16.7 million colors) Graphics Controller: ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL V5200 - 256 M Warranty: 3 YR TP PROTECTION + 3 YR DEPOT TO 3 YR ONSITE ...etc Can't wait to get this thing up and running! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:18:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87F3F3BF07; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060317075921.01abc1a8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:17:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Effects (Was: what a loop has to say) In-Reply-To: References: <20060317045728.YVEP17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> <0a3801c64983$af5aba60$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:18:07 +0000 (UTC) At 10:28 PM -0700 3/16/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise >when you aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling >devices, etc? I've found this to be the case with me. I love all >the cool effects at my disposal - the Boss VF-1, hundreds of VST >effects, LXP5, etc - but they sometimes produce artificial >restrictions or boundaries on my creativity. I go through periods of expansion and contraction in my effects chain on my guitar. I have an analytical mind but it gets in the way of my creative mind. So I've finally decided I don't like playing with altered tunings, multi-effects boards, sound modules or anything that requires non-musical thought. I like listening to other people do it, mind. So I'm now down to a guitar with the effect loops: 1. pitch-shifter-->distortion-->wah-->chorus 2. clean acoustic with an EQ (for solo boost), delay, reverb and volume following. In addition: a mic that I can play various objects or sing through a drum brain for "playing drums" with triggers I find it easier to turn knobs than to use patches. I only use record, overdub, undo, multiply and feedback on my EDP which I keep on the same settings all the time. I prefer continuity in effect. I guess I'm an analog guy in a digital world. I have a good palette of sounds to paint with. But I still think my signal chain is too complex. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:18:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC9103BF04; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0b5f01c649dc$af0bd9a0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060317045728.YVEP17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> <0a3801c64983$af5aba60$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <564A3A87-98C8-4D99-8B70-C1AA30EE3738@boysen.se> <0af001c649d8$d46aa400$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441AD958.8000702@post.cybercity.dk> <0b5f01c649dc$af0bd9a0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <61DA3AA0-D3B8-4A2F-A7D1-54032565715E@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:18:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <4_GIeB.A.ZBH.lFuGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:18:45 +0000 (UTC) >> Most of my looping these days is based on a more-or-less random >> audio input, that does not make it less musical, at least to my ears. >> Andreas On 17 mar 2006, at 17.05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > That's cool. I do that on occasion, using the SunRa VST plugin...I > don't take credit for the output or consider it a facet of my > artistic creativity. It's just fun to play with. Isn't that what this discussion is about? Kris loves jazz guitar and likes it when you hear the "player" aspect in the sound produced. There are musical styles that is mainly based on the player aspect and there are other styles that is based on pure sound, whatever instrument, if any, used as sound source. It may be difficult to compare apples to oranges ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:26:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78E783BEE9; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FOjceTeZw4ikptbGQJep7Go0+1EWZkzv5yZpe0OT060AYlX7thjhrtV+IL4quU9KKs8UlhvRGO1+wqDIGdSLhoWYZ3hq+He+IU7XgzSHBpSk2H64AUOxfJU0sX8LLUMSvHoZNROrK+4cFPEHqYz1eK/TWGDRk6OQhKkEd8QdhZ8= ; Message-ID: <20060317162652.39558.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:26:52 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Wilkinson Subject: Guitar Rig 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1528457429-1142612812=:36072" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:26:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-1528457429-1142612812=:36072 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Jeff just getting started with the unit but so far I am really pleased especially with the modifiers. The basic amp sounds are far superior to my pod xt while I find the fx units a bit limited. Way better than Amplitube. I havent tried Nigel that runs off the UAD card??? but I can't see you going wrong with GK2. Highly recommended. regards, aaron www.aaronwilkinson.com I can't help you with your MIDI question, unfortunately. But, since you own GR 2, I was curious how you liked it. I'm definitely interested in it myself. Amplitube 2 will be out by the end of the month, so I'm also considering it. Jeff trying to control the looping unit in Native Instruments Guitar Rig 2 with my Line 6 FBV shortboard but it seems I have to hit the switches twice for a controller message to send. What gives... anybody been through this or similar? Any help would be great thanks in advance. Regards, aaron --0-1528457429-1142612812=:36072 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi, Jeff
 
just getting started with the unit but so far I am really pleased especially with the modifiers.
The basic amp sounds are far superior to my pod xt while I find the fx units a bit limited.
Way better than Amplitube.
I havent tried Nigel that runs off the UAD card??? but I can't see you going wrong with
GK2.
Highly recommended.
regards,
aaron
 
 
 


I can't help you with your MIDI question, unfortunately. But, since 
you own GR 2, I was curious how you liked it. I'm definitely 
interested in it myself. Amplitube 2 will be out by the end of the 
month, so I'm also considering it.

Jeff
 
 
trying to control the looping unit in Native Instruments Guitar Rig 2 with
my Line 6 FBV shortboard but it seems
I have to hit the switches twice for a controller message to send.
What gives... anybody been through this or similar?
Any help would be great thanks in advance.
Regards,
aaron
--0-1528457429-1142612812=:36072-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:27:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 121BF3BECA; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441AE382.40202@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:27:46 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what a loop has to say References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:27:49 +0000 (UTC) I think this is a great point. When you start down this path of invalidating an artistic expression because of how it was created, and create some sort of continuum of "good/artistic" vs. "bad/generated by 'gear'", then you might come to the conclusion that you can only be valid by standing naked in front of the audience, using only the voice/body to create. While this might be interesting (!), it's not the only valid, artistic, or "good" way to create music. I know - that's an extreme example, but I find extreme examples help illuminate the model under examination. After all - the acoustic guitar is a very complex device all on it's own. If someone said "yeah, that's all real pretty and everything - but lets see him do it with NO guitar", it would probably be considered a ridiculous statement. So, on this matter, I find myself willing to accept a wide range of inputs/processing/outputs as valid, artistic expression. It's the end result, not the process, that I choose to evaluate against my own personal tastes. The preceding is worth exactly what you paid for it :D matthew.quinn@sunlife.com wrote: >Boy I wish I had the time to respond to this the way I'd like- maybe I'll >get to it next week when I get back from Amsterdam...... > >Basically though, IMO- NO effects box can do anything unless a person is >operating it. Until that's not the case, you have to accept that they are >tools that requires some skill (how much is debatable) to 'play'. > >There are a lot of paralells in this conversation with the age old 'Is the >turntable an instrument?' debate, but what they both boil down to IMO is >the fact that neither a turntable or an effects unit is particularly >impressive without someone skillfully operating it. I mean, if you follow >the logic of 'hiding behind gear', where do you draw the line? When you >pluck an acoustic guitar, you aren't making the sound- very basic >technology (strings vibrating over a sound hole) creates the sound. Are you >then hiding behind the technology of the acoustic guitar? I guess only >vocalists would be considered pure musicians then. ; ) > >To me- if I can use it (whether 'it' be a bass, a wood block, a Flanger, a >laptop or a Repeater) to make noise, it's an instrument. From there the >only thing that matters is how the artist chooses to use the sound creation >device. > >Well that got a little more lengthy than I thought I was going to >go.....just some Friday morning ramblings. > > > > > > "Kris Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > cc: > 03/17/2006 10:46 AM Subject: Re: what a loop has to say > Please respond to > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > >My wife once told me that when I sit down with my acoustic guitar and just >play freely, that what she hears sound more creative than anything else I >do with my gear, looping, etc. I find that sort of interesting (sometimes >discouraging)...makes me start to question what is really necessary for me >to express myself artistically, vs. hiding behind the gear. Heck, if I can >sit down at a gig with just my acoustic, and satisfy both myself and others >artistically, I'd probably be retired right now with all the money I would >have saved! :) > >But I just love the effects, and I openly admit that "sometimes" they do >substitute for true, raw creativity. I would be surprised if anyone on this >list who uses a lot of gear thought or felt otherwise. It would take quite >a artistic genius to ALWAYS, 100% of the time, have effects acquiesce to >one's talent and creativity, rather than the other way around. Either an >artistic genius, or a complete liar. > >Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: daniel stevenson > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:39 AM > Subject: Re: what a loop has to say > > i do find the clean acoustic guitar to be my muse.yet ill mangle it with > reverse and speed control.varible delay times seems to keep the sound > pure.maybe just a phase im goin thru but nothing beats a good ole acoustic > source into a looper. > my best regards, > scary > visionary. > > Kris Hartung wrote: > > Yep, to me a loop says, "Freedom." > > G > > Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise when > you > aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling devices, etc? > I've > found this to be the case with me. I love all the cool effects at my > disposal - the Boss VF-1, hundreds of VST effects, LXP5, etc - but they > sometimes produce artificial restrictions or boundaries on my creativity. > I > tend to be more intentionally and genuinely creative, and less enamored > and > influenced by technology, when I just play with a clean guitar sound with > > just a touch of reverb and delay for ambiance. You have nothing but the > notes, basically, no window dressing to distract the creative process. > I'm > sure this is quite subjective and relative, but I'd be curious what > others > think of this. I guess just the simple sound of the guitar forces me to > think more out of the box, rather than relying on the box. For example, > you > have a effect patch that has two octaves and panning delays that go on > forrrrrrrever....you play one "note"...just one human data-point of > interaction, and the gear takes credit for the rest of the interesting > sound > for the next minute. And I start to think to myself, what is really > creative > about that? I could play 10 notes in 3 minutes and produce a song that > requires very little creative energy. It would be interesting to take all > > of our looping songs and strip every single cool effect from them, > resulting > in just the initially, humanly generated notes and natural sound of the > instrument...what might we discover? How much of the intrigue of the song > is > generated by the gear vs. human creative energy? These are just open > questions for discussion. I'm not necessarily making any categorical > point > here. > > And in this regard, I really respect a lot of the work of Derek Bailey, > where its just him and his hollowbody guitar...quite amazing what a guy > can > do with just a guitar and amp. > > ...I'm off to bed now. It's been a long day. > > Kris > > > > > > Yahoo! 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If you have received this communication in error, >please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:30:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEB733BF0C; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:30:32 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what a loop has to say MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2C853BF2.35755BF4.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 212.219.247.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <8eQjYD.A.ulH.sQuGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:30:36 +0000 (UTC) I think Eno summarised this as a fairly simple question : "Is the art in the paint, or is the art in the idea ?" Of course, this isn't an "either/or", but a continuum of possibilities. For me, the art's (mostly) in the idea. How the idea was realised is, in many ways, not terribly relevant. Was it a loop ? Was it a room full of musicians playing one note each every three minutes ? Who really cares ? Having ideas without ability is awful, especially for the poor soul with the ideas who can't realise them. Ability without ideas is differently awful, but awful all the same. No ideas and no ability, well ... (insert joke about your least favourite musical genre here). Just my tuppence worth. (Some would say I'm overcharging.) - Tony __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:35:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5E603BF12; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b7801c649e0$c36a3fa0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:35:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 502, in=242078, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:35:15 +0000 (UTC) > I mean, if you follow the logic of 'hiding behind gear', where do you draw > the line? You don't. It's a spectrum, or a bell curve. No lines, no black and white. > When you pluck an acoustic guitar, you aren't making the sound- very basic > technology (strings vibrating over a sound hole) creates the sound. Are > you > then hiding behind the technology of the acoustic guitar? I guess only > vocalists would be considered pure musicians then. ; ) Perhaps. I've seen this argued before, but that would be the extreme end of the spectrum and bell curve. With certain assumptions, one could make a valid argument for this. > To me- if I can use it (whether 'it' be a bass, a wood block, a Flanger, a > laptop or a Repeater) to make noise, it's an instrument. From there the > only thing that matters is how the artist chooses to use the sound > creation > device. I agree with you, philosophically here, but there are still glaring examples where not a lot of talent and artistic creativity in producing a piece of music, but is relying primarily on processing after the fact. I can't be convinced otherwise, because I see it in the flesh frequently. It is easy to say that we are all just using instruments and promote this "I'm Okay, You're Okay" approach, but in my opinion this is also an all to convenient way to avoid the talent and creativity component, will varies in radical degrees in performances. The fact remains, there are people out there that havne't really mastered there instruments or who are intermediate players (and who will openly admit this) still struggligg with their main instrument, who use gear to compensate for that. It's not right or wrong, good or bad...I just see it and think it needs to be recognized. I'm talking way too much here and getting more acute in my opinions. I apologize for that. I'll refrain from responding for a while. Kris > Well that got a little more lengthy than I thought I was going to > go.....just some Friday morning ramblings. > > > > > > "Kris Hartung" To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > cc: > 03/17/2006 10:46 AM Subject: Re: what a loop > has to say > Please respond to > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > > My wife once told me that when I sit down with my acoustic guitar and just > play freely, that what she hears sound more creative than anything else I > do with my gear, looping, etc. I find that sort of interesting (sometimes > discouraging)...makes me start to question what is really necessary for me > to express myself artistically, vs. hiding behind the gear. Heck, if I can > sit down at a gig with just my acoustic, and satisfy both myself and > others > artistically, I'd probably be retired right now with all the money I would > have saved! :) > > But I just love the effects, and I openly admit that "sometimes" they do > substitute for true, raw creativity. I would be surprised if anyone on > this > list who uses a lot of gear thought or felt otherwise. It would take > quite > a artistic genius to ALWAYS, 100% of the time, have effects acquiesce to > one's talent and creativity, rather than the other way around. Either an > artistic genius, or a complete liar. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: daniel stevenson > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:39 AM > Subject: Re: what a loop has to say > > i do find the clean acoustic guitar to be my muse.yet ill mangle it with > reverse and speed control.varible delay times seems to keep the sound > pure.maybe just a phase im goin thru but nothing beats a good ole acoustic > source into a looper. > my best regards, > scary > visionary. > > Kris Hartung wrote: > > Yep, to me a loop says, "Freedom." > > G > > Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise when > you > aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling devices, etc? > I've > found this to be the case with me. I love all the cool effects at my > disposal - the Boss VF-1, hundreds of VST effects, LXP5, etc - but they > sometimes produce artificial restrictions or boundaries on my creativity. > I > tend to be more intentionally and genuinely creative, and less enamored > and > influenced by technology, when I just play with a clean guitar sound with > > just a touch of reverb and delay for ambiance. You have nothing but the > notes, basically, no window dressing to distract the creative process. > I'm > sure this is quite subjective and relative, but I'd be curious what > others > think of this. I guess just the simple sound of the guitar forces me to > think more out of the box, rather than relying on the box. For example, > you > have a effect patch that has two octaves and panning delays that go on > forrrrrrrever....you play one "note"...just one human data-point of > interaction, and the gear takes credit for the rest of the interesting > sound > for the next minute. And I start to think to myself, what is really > creative > about that? I could play 10 notes in 3 minutes and produce a song that > requires very little creative energy. It would be interesting to take all > > of our looping songs and strip every single cool effect from them, > resulting > in just the initially, humanly generated notes and natural sound of the > instrument...what might we discover? How much of the intrigue of the song > is > generated by the gear vs. human creative energy? These are just open > questions for discussion. I'm not necessarily making any categorical > point > here. > > And in this regard, I really respect a lot of the work of Derek Bailey, > where its just him and his hollowbody guitar...quite amazing what a guy > can > do with just a guitar and amp. > > ...I'm off to bed now. It's been a long day. > > Kris > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:39:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC6243BED6; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060317083144.01bffea0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:40:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Effects (Was: what a loop has to say) In-Reply-To: <0b0301c649d9$eacea560$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060317093936.63675.qmail@web37915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0b0301c649d9$eacea560$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:39:45 +0000 (UTC) At 07:46 AM 3/17/2006, you wrote: >My wife once told me that when I sit down with my acoustic guitar >and just play freely, that what she hears sound more creative than >anything else I do with my gear, looping, etc. I find that sort of >interesting (sometimes discouraging)...makes me start to question >what is really necessary for me to express myself artistically, vs. >hiding behind the gear. Heck, if I can sit down at a gig with just >my acoustic, and satisfy both myself and others artistically, I'd >probably be retired right now with all the money I would have saved! :) Yes, that's a cycle I'm going around all the time: Expansion and contraction. By using effects, I open up my mind to different sounds. This sends me back to my clean acoustic guitar to see if I can approximate the sound acoustically with my fingers. Often the sounds appear without forethought during a solo. Strings rattling against the frets sound like distortion. Octaves sound like chorus. Harmonics sound like feedback. Ostinatos sound like delays. The guitar body is a drum. I love new colors but I can't let the palette get in the way of the painting. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:40:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E5133BED2; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b8901c649e1$74937d50$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <2C853BF2.35755BF4.59DF470E@netscape.net> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:40:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 504, in=244809, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:40:13 +0000 (UTC) My last comment on this thread: Just remember, not everyone can be a driftwood artist. :) Not sure if everyone will remember this phrase and the source.... K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:43:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78C743BED8; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441AE72C.5060005@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:43:24 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what a loop has to say References: <2C853BF2.35755BF4.59DF470E@netscape.net> <0b8901c649e1$74937d50$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0b8901c649e1$74937d50$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0fyUM.A.eV.scuGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Birds. Sea birds. :) Kris Hartung wrote: > My last comment on this thread: Just remember, not everyone can be a > driftwood artist. :) Not sure if everyone will remember this phrase > and the source.... > > K- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:44:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4BAF3BED9; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Server-Uuid: 19320F60-75F1-4C03-876A-1D6F44F99F6F Subject: Re: what a loop has to say To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: matthew.quinn@sunlife.com Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:43:57 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.4 HF129|May 12, 2005) at 03/17/2006 11:44:22 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 680438CF1VK1808009-02-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:44:05 +0000 (UTC) >>>"I'm talking way too much here and getting more acute in my opinions. I apologize for that. I'll refrain from responding for a while." Please don't- this is a great conversation. I just wish I was going to be around to continue it for the rest of the day...... >>>>>>>> "The fact remains, there are people out there that havne't really mastered there instruments or who are intermediate players (and who will openly admit this) still struggligg with their main instrument, who use gear to compensate for that." #1- In my mind, a better question would be 'Is there anyone who *HAS* mastered their instrument? Even the people we consider masters probably would not ever say that about themselves. But that's another convo.... When you say 'use gear to compensate', that's where you lose me. Let's assume someone is an intermediate player who has realized that he can usea certain piece of gear to execute the strategies of his mind- how is that wrong? Is it more correct to play 4 notes instead of playing 1 & having a delay that repeats 3 times? I do agree that if you remove all gear from the equation, and sit 2 peopel down head to head on acoustic guitars, you will be able to better tell who is the technically superior guitar player- but IMO, this has *zero* to do with who is the superior musician. : ) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:48:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 610CD3BED0; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060317084223.01bf6430@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:48:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: what a loop has to say In-Reply-To: <441AE382.40202@pdq.net> References: <441AE382.40202@pdq.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:48:01 +0000 (UTC) At 08:27 AM 3/17/2006, you wrote: >I think this is a great point. When you start down this path of >invalidating an artistic expression because of how it was created, >and create some sort of continuum of "good/artistic" vs. >"bad/generated by 'gear'", then you might come to the conclusion >that you can only be valid by standing naked in front of the >audience, using only the voice/body to create. While this might be >interesting (!), it's not the only valid, artistic, or "good" way to >create music. This discussion is developing a dichotomy that isn't constructive. Kind of like most discussions about religion. It's all music, we all make music, let's accept that as a given. The original thread had to do with Kris's conflict about his technique (effects) getting in the way of his creativity. This is a valid artistic concern which really needs to be answered individually by each of us in our own hearts. There's no right answer here, there is no answer that applies to all of us. It's just part of the creative process. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:51:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 731D13BED9; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441AE90F.6090302@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:51:27 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what a loop has to say References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Matthew, on his way out the door, has said exactly what's in my head about this discussion. Even Jandek can move people, in deep, life-changing ways. But he can just barely play the guitar. D >When you say 'use gear to compensate', that's where you lose me. Let's >assume someone is an intermediate player who has realized that he can usea >certain piece of gear to execute the strategies of his mind- how is that >wrong? Is it more correct to play 4 notes instead of playing 1 & having a >delay that repeats 3 times? > >I do agree that if you remove all gear from the equation, and sit 2 peopel >down head to head on acoustic guitars, you will be able to better tell who >is the technically superior guitar player- but IMO, this has *zero* to do >with who is the superior musician. : ) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 16:58:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 943233BEB6; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441AEABC.4090804@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:58:36 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what a loop has to say References: <441AE382.40202@pdq.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060317084223.01bf6430@TheNettles.com> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060317084223.01bf6430@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:58:36 +0000 (UTC) I would agree with you, if that was the only point that was being made in this thread. It's not. There's a lot of direct and indirect bashing of the possible artistic output from musicians who don't meet some sort of "grade" regarding technical ability on their instrument. I do not agree with that stance, and I'm simply saying what I believe. I consider myself an above average guitar player, within the styles that I like to play. But that doesn't mean that I apply a lesser value to the artistic output of someone who can't play well, uses effects to accomplish their mission, etc. If the output is something that matches with my tastes - then I consider it priceless. D Kevin wrote: > At 08:27 AM 3/17/2006, you wrote: > >> I think this is a great point. When you start down this path of >> invalidating an artistic expression because of how it was created, >> and create some sort of continuum of "good/artistic" vs. >> "bad/generated by 'gear'", then you might come to the conclusion that >> you can only be valid by standing naked in front of the audience, >> using only the voice/body to create. While this might be interesting >> (!), it's not the only valid, artistic, or "good" way to create music. > > > This discussion is developing a dichotomy that isn't constructive. > Kind of like most discussions about religion. > > It's all music, we all make music, let's accept that as a given. The > original thread had to do with Kris's conflict about his technique > (effects) getting in the way of his creativity. This is a valid > artistic concern which really needs to be answered individually by > each of us in our own hearts. There's no right answer here, there is > no answer that applies to all of us. It's just part of the creative > process. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 17:06:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F8223BEDD; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ba901c649e5$2356d730$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:06:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.500000 Content: cid=56(1.5) =1.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 504, in=244853, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <7KdsvC.A.nvB.cyuGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:06:36 +0000 (UTC) I lied. > When you say 'use gear to compensate', that's where you lose me. I'll provide a simple illustration. As you guitar players know, playing a clean and articulate arpeggio in 8th or 16th notes takes some time to "master". If you can't do it, it's just as easy to program your processor to arpeggiate a single note you play, and do so in a particular key. Some may say that's just using a processor like an instrument. That's a nice blanket statement that can mean a million things. I call it a cop out, BUT only relative to intent. If I intend an desire to play somehting, but can't do it because I need few more years of practice to do it...so I resort to the gear, I am compensasting for my lack of technical ability. If I can play something, but choose to use the gear to do it for me to allow me to focus on something else artistically, I think that is a different situation. It don't think it is compensating for lack of skill, but making a consious choice to focus skill elsewhere. I know this will not go over will with some folks, especially if they are using gear to compensate for skills, but are not comfortable admitting this. I'll fully admit here, I can't play fingersyle jazz like Joe Pass, playing both bass lines and melody. I am certain I could if I focused on just that for a year or so, but I can't right now. But I can use my looping gear to produce similar output. Am I compensating for lack of skill? Yes. I believe so, and I'll fully admit this...if I could do otherwise, I'd do it, as part of being evolving as a musician. > I do agree that if you remove all gear from the equation, and sit 2 peopel > down head to head on acoustic guitars, you will be able to better tell who > is the technically superior guitar player- but IMO, this has *zero* to do > with who is the superior musician. : ) That's a good point. How fast you can play, how many chords and scales you know, for instance, may have nothing to do with artistic merit as a musician. Because remember, not everyone can be a driftwood artist. It takes a special person with incredible artistic vision to identify the appropriate piece of driftwood on the beach and claim it as art. That transcends technical ability. :) Kris Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 17:13:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27B8A3BECD; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1142615613!30382365!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F4F@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [LOOP] what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:13:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C649E6.1918CFC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:13:37 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C649E6.1918CFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>Most of the time, I let the sound of the loop define where I'm going, what it needs to do next, what additional loops and layers it wants to play with next, when it wants to take a break and sit back and listen to the other loops play, and when it invites me to come play with it.<< I recognise this. sometimes it will be a chunk of audio in a looper, sometimes a line or two in a looping hardware sequencer (doepfer maq, notron, whatever), sometimes something our guitarist has going around in his jam-man. whatever it is, it will "seed" the whole improv, & may disappear only to re-appear later on, perhaps in a modified form. with careful use of effects &/or patches, the looping material can give the impression of live & controlled evolution, as though someone is devoting some concentration to it's manipulation when, in fact, it's just free-running. meanwhile, slightly more complex beings are interacting with it. it's a bit like having a junior member of the band, who isn't quite sure how far they can push their chops, so they just find a groove & stay in it for a while. indeed, I find myself wondering if "junior" is the right word, since as a bass player I find staying in one groove for a long time is actually very hard & requires some disciplne I simply don't have. hmmm.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>Most of the time, I let the sound of the loop def= ine where I'm going, what
it needs to do next, what additional loops and layers it= wants to play
with next, when it wants to take a break and sit back an= d listen to the
other loops play, and when it invites me to come play wi= th it.<<

I recognise this.

sometimes it will be a chunk of audio in a looper, someti= mes a line or two in a looping hardware sequencer (doepfer maq, notron, wha= tever), sometimes something our guitarist has going around in his jam-man. =

whatever it is, it will "seed" the whole improv= , & may disappear only to re-appear later on, perhaps in a modified for= m.

with careful use of effects &/or patches, the looping= material can give the impression of live & controlled evolution, as th= ough someone is devoting some concentration to it's manipulation when, in f= act, it's just free-running.

meanwhile, slightly more complex beings are interacting w= ith it.

it's a bit like having a junior member of the band, who i= sn't quite sure how far they can push their chops, so they just find a groo= ve & stay in it for a while. indeed, I find myself wondering if "j= unior" is the right word, since as a bass player I find staying in one= groove for a long time is actually very hard & requires some disciplne= I simply don't have.

hmmm....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C649E6.1918CFC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 17:23:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E9C53BED2; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=T4SF6wgud+cg8jTAOnGLIM+TRx+C3F5rkRgRbdbd7yyVFQX3Sz3MbHYvgUgcc/b5; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <32952161.1142616227375.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:23:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Knustford in May RE: [LOOP] what a loop has to say Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940e0b8396c06881b89882dd72e11c6ba51350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:23:57 +0000 (UTC) RE: [LOOP] what a loop has to say
Hey Duncan!
 
I gave your Knutsford disc a few more spins last week, and it remains = a very satisfying listen.
 
Cheers,
Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: goddard.duncan@mtv= ne.com
Sent: Mar 17, 2006 12:13 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com
Subject: RE: [LOOP] what a loop has to say

>>Most of the time, I let the sound of the loop def= ine where I'm going, what
it needs to do next, wh= at additional loops and layers it wants to play
w= ith next, when it wants to take a break and sit back and listen to the
other loops play, and when it invites me to come play= with it.<<

I recognise this.

sometimes it will be a chunk of audio in a looper, someti= mes a line or two in a looping hardware sequencer (doepfer maq, notron, wha= tever), sometimes something our guitarist has going around in his jam-man. =

whatever it is, it will "seed" the whole improv, & ma= y disappear only to re-appear later on, perhaps in a modified form. =

with careful use of effects &/or patches, the looping= material can give the impression of live & controlled evolution, as th= ough someone is devoting some concentration to it's manipulation when, in f= act, it's just free-running.

meanwhile, slightly more complex beings are interacting w= ith it.

it's a bit like having a junior member of the band, who i= sn't quite sure how far they can push their chops, so they just find a groo= ve & stay in it for a while. indeed, I find myself wondering if "junior= " is the right word, since as a bass player I find staying in one groove fo= r a long time is actually very hard & requires some disciplne I simply = don't have.

hmmm....

duncan.



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 17:24:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26F523BEE1; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <155.60f44e0c.314c4ab3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:24:03 EST Subject: Re: what a loop has to say To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_155.60f44e0c.314c4ab3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <92uPxB.A.VaC.-CvGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:24:15 +0000 (UTC) --part1_155.60f44e0c.314c4ab3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/17/06 6:36:38 AM, loopersdelight@swyatt.com writes: > For some reason, I've never post-effected loops. I like to keep the looping > pure (what goes in, comes out). > why stuart?.....great thread btw!.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_155.60f44e0c.314c4ab3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/17/06 6:36:38 AM, loopersdelight@swyatt.com writes:


For some reason, I've= never post-effected loops. I like to keep the looping
pure (what goes in, comes out).


why stuart?.....great thread btw!.....mic



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 --part1_155.60f44e0c.314c4ab3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 17:34:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D6883BEC7; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0bd201c649e8$fc217810$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <441AE382.40202@pdq.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060317084223.01bf6430@TheNettles.com> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:34:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 504, in=255024, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:34:07 +0000 (UTC) > This discussion is developing a dichotomy that isn't constructive. Kind of > like most discussions about religion. I apologize if I've contributed to anything not constructive. I know I can come across as skeptical, harsh, or even high brow sometimes, in email...not intent to offend anyone. Sometimes my passion for these topics gets me into trouble. This is a great thread....will be interesting to see other contributions. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 17:37:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09D3B3BED5; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001b01c649e9$6f5b2650$87012e52@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <005e01c6494c$f9d38950$bf002e52@customer3530f5> Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Park Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:37:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I hadn't noticeed any noise - I'll give them a try against each other and let you know. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" To: Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Park > At 10:57 PM +0000 3/16/06, Ian Popperwell wrote: >> >>I've been off the list for a while and am glad to be back. I've just >>bought the Line6 Echo Park, the new unprogrammable version of the DL4 >>without a looper - oh, that makes it sound rubbish doesn't it... It's a >>single stomp box type delay pedal with pretty much the same delay models >>in it as the DL4 - but with some useful shortcuts to make the >>non-programmability more pallatable. I'm using it at gigs alongside my DL4 >>and really like it (compact + a great sound) - thought it worth bringing >>to the >>attention of the list. > > Ian, > > I believe the Echo Park actually came up as a discussion item very soon > after its initial release. At that time the early adopters complained > about a high S/N ratio and poorer fidelity than on the DL4 or Echo Pro, so > many people just went on about their normal lives afterward. > > However, there doesn't ever seem to be a "final word" on gear. Tell us, > have you noticed any noise issues with your unit? In terms of sound > quality and background hiss, how does it stack up on a head-to-head > against your DL4? > > --m. > > -- > _______ > "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play > I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 17:50:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E91403BECA; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0bd201c649e8$fc217810$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <441AE382.40202@pdq.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060317084223.01bf6430@TheNettles.com> <0bd201c649e8$fc217810$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0501408C-9897-49DF-815E-2D5BDBF57B8B@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:50:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:50:59 +0000 (UTC) THis is an interesting discussion, but can we just take a look at it from a different perspective? Can a musician hide behind extremely developed playing abilities? If so, what is he trying to compensate for? And what does it take for a listener to see through the hoax? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 18:07:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 100983BED6; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1928.128.193.37.212.1142618850.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:07:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: what a loop has to say From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:07:33 +0000 (UTC) > #1- In my mind, a better question would be 'Is there anyone who *HAS* > mastered their instrument? The guitar is a seductive instrument. In three months you can master the basics well enough to play but if you play for the rest of your life you will never be master of all the guitar's possibilities. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 18:09:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A7D83BED8; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2ca.58a7766.314c5570@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:09:52 EST Subject: Re: what a loop has to say To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2ca.58a7766.314c5570_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:09:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2ca.58a7766.314c5570_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/17/06 10:29:29 AM, khartung@cableone.net writes: > I know and have seen solo looping guitarist who really > couldn't stand on their own as soloist without the looping gear. > that's me baby!.....i could perhaps keep someone interested for about 10 mins. playing a guitar all by myself, i have never considered myself a solo guitarist, not even a 1/16 pass.....:).....i would much rather play with others be it duet or larger.....my grandson, miles, age 9 sometimes jams with me (from an early age he has always wanted to be the "leader", what a gas!).....he brings a delightful to music.....two days ago he sez to me "dat" for some reason he has always called me that, "dat, what REWARD do you get for your music?".....after commenting on the most interesting use of the word REWARD, i paused and said "it allows me to create "something" where there was only silence".....as you can see from that answer, i would rather "loop" than talk so i hope the little punk stops askin me all these questions.....it takes a lot for me to kill a loop, each is a child out on an adventure.....i use effects because i have them and only, mind you, when i want to.....i am the MASTER of my loops!.....my loops say "please sir, may we go forth and try to make the world smile a little?".....i'm so shallow!.....:).....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_2ca.58a7766.314c5570_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/17/06 10:29:29 AM, khartung@cableone.net writes:


I know and have seen=20= solo looping guitarist who really
couldn't stand on their own as soloist without the looping gear.


that's me baby!.....i could perhaps keep someone interested for about 10=20= mins. playing a guitar all by myself, i have never considered myself a solo=20= guitarist, not even a 1/16 pass.....:).....i would much rather play with oth= ers be it duet or larger.....my grandson, miles, age 9 sometimes jams with m= e (from an early age he has always wanted to be the "leader", what a gas!)..= ...he brings a delightful <seriousness> to music.....two days ago he s= ez to me "dat" for some reason he has always called me that, "dat, what REWA= RD do you get for your music?".....after commenting on the most interesting=20= use of the word REWARD, i paused and said "it allows me to create "something= " where there was only silence".....as you can see from that answer, i would= rather "loop" than talk so i hope the little punk stops askin me all these=20= questions.....it takes a lot for me to kill a loop, each is a child out on a= n adventure.....i use effects because i have them and only, mind you, when i= want to.....i am the MASTER of my loops!.....my loops say "please sir, may=20= we go forth and try to make the world smile a little?".....i'm so shallow!..= ...:).....mic



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 --part1_2ca.58a7766.314c5570_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 18:11:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B731E3BEDA; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1983.128.193.37.212.1142619097.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <0bd201c649e8$fc217810$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <441AE382.40202@pdq.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060317084223.01bf6430@TheNettles.com> <0bd201c649e8$fc217810$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:11:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: what a loop has to say From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:11:38 +0000 (UTC) > I apologize if I've contributed to anything not constructive... On the contrary, you started something very constructive. You asked a very penetrating question that all of us who create must deal with. Great thread! Peace, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 18:15:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD10E3BEE1; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0be301c649ee$c49dae30$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <441AE382.40202@pdq.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060317084223.01bf6430@TheNettles.com> <0bd201c649e8$fc217810$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0501408C-9897-49DF-815E-2D5BDBF57B8B@boysen.se> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:15:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 505, in=255080, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:15:30 +0000 (UTC) > THis is an interesting discussion, but can we just take a look at it > from a different perspective? > > Can a musician hide behind extremely developed playing abilities? If so, > what is he trying to compensate for? > And what does it take for a listener to see through the hoax? I can't resist. I like how you reversed the perspective. Nice! Personally, yes, I do think it is possible to compensate for lack of creativity by showcasing chops. And I'm guilty of this too...heck, I'm guilty of everything I guess. If I'm in a poor state of mind at a performance for whatever reason and can't create myself out of a paper bag, I resort to chops. I wow the audience or distract them with flamboyant playing, fast and fluttering phrases, scales, right hand technique, etc. It's easy to do, but when folks compliment me on this after the show, it doesn't mean much to me. I'd rather have someone way, wow that song really touched me artistically, than you sure are a fast and proficient player! That latter statement is sort of depressing and a moot point. Well yes, I guess that goes without saying given that I've played guitar for 26 years and I practiced 6 hours a day in my late teens, studied jazz, classical, etc. What does it take for the listener to see through the hoax? Good question. I suppose with some training, a non-musician could learn how to discern, let's say, the difference between playing a rather non-innovative scale at lightening speed, and playing a really interesting phrase that he or she has never heard before, or that conveys a unique emotion based on note choice. What's the phrase that someone in the music industry coined in regard to players that are really technical, but not very creative or artistic? Something about impressing us, but not convincing us? I can't recall. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 18:15:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 361D43BEF3; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441AFC04.5080506@speakeasy.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:12:20 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what a loop has to say References: <20060317170637.2ED383BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060317170637.2ED383BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Wow. I posted the original question last night and come back to find 8 LDdigests in my mailbox...cool. Seems the thread has had a few unrounded multiply/reverse/overdub button pushes while I've been sleeping. Where to begin? I use a few synthesizers as my primary looping sound sources. I also run a Fernandes guitar (with sustainer) processed through a DSI Poly Evolver Kybd for my guitar sounds so I'm not even going to touch the effects vs. no-effects discussion :-) I just finished recording my 1st CD full of looping pieces and I notice I didn't name any of them at the time of recording. As others have mentioned, now I'm relistening to them and trying to decide how to name them descriptively (or maybe just call them 1, 2, 3, etc...). I haven't yet really tried to determine a feeling/theme beforehand then express it with a looping piece, but it feels important for me to be able to develop that ability. Adding vocals are a quick way to do that. I was at last years looping festival for the Saturday performances. I can't recall his name but he was the 2nd or 3rd performer. He built up a foundation loop of whispered phrases then built from there (with bass guitar I believe). I thought it was brilliant. Like providing a subliminal undercurrent of the piece's meaning...not clearly stated like a song title but bubbling around underneath trying to surface. I think what's cool with looping is the freedom to create pieces ranging from total sonic anarchy to The Girl from Ipanema. I find creating complete abstract music to be very challenging and the tools we now have make it possible to fly (or fall) with real-time composition. It's a great time to be a musician :-) Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 18:26:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F6C83BECA; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <314.625bdb.314c5959@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:26:33 EST Subject: Re: what a loop has to say To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_314.625bdb.314c5959_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:26:40 +0000 (UTC) --part1_314.625bdb.314c5959_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/17/06 12:51:02 PM, per@boysen.se writes: > Can a musician hide behind extremely developed playing abilities? > If so, what is he trying to compensate for? > my niece.....an excellent pianist, really good.....when i asked her to play me one of "her" tunes, she couldn't, she had none.....can she jam?.....didn't have the faintest idea how to do that.....it blew my mind and opened my eyes to how varied our views of music are.....per, what did you mean "see thru the hoax".....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_314.625bdb.314c5959_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Can a musician hide b= ehind extremely developed playing abilities?
If so, what is he trying to compensate for?


my niece.....an excellent pianist, really good.....when i asked her to pl= ay me one of "her" tunes, she couldn't, she had none.....can she jam?.....di= dn't have the faintest idea how to do that.....it blew my mind and opened my= eyes to how varied our views of music are.....per, what did you mean "see t= hru the hoax".....mic



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 --part1_314.625bdb.314c5959_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 18:30:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 485B13BEE0; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=F7T7Cg/YUXAk85iAf2y9bJPCqH6ELjlYYnf2ChtdoOAtQOkd+scYtmTDBijQeTeX; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <10466525.1142620253703.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:30:53 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da94093ff6535eecd3d8ee4b41bbe922da2f5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:30:55 +0000 (UTC) To add to the current debate, I would say there are varying levels of hidin= g behind technology and to see what the true motivation is. That gets you o= n a slippery slope one you start the debate. Personally, I realize my own s= et of limitations when I play. I am not particularly fast, but can be fluen= t when I take my time with things. I guess that looping allows me to build = in small micro-steps sometimes, avoiding the need to make "the big statemen= t now" kind of thing. I also realize that when I've tried to be some manner= of shredder (trust that I was unimpressive) that I've done things that sou= nded completely unreal for me. I am not a blues, straight into the amp kind= of cat and I realize that when I've tried to play like that, it is just no= t that interesting. So hence, I have a big board on the floor with all mann= er of processing goodies. Whatever gives you your true voice is what I woul= d say. Whatever, that is go with that and celebrate it. It is a big world a= nd someone will appreciate your uniqueness be you Fripp, Frissell or just p= lain me doodling to my border collie and cats.=20 That is how I see it. I of course could very well be wrong.=20 Todd -----Original Message----- >From: Kris Hartung >Sent: Mar 17, 2006 11:35 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: what a loop has to say > >> I mean, if you follow the logic of 'hiding behind gear', where do you dr= aw=20 >> the line? > >You don't. It's a spectrum, or a bell curve. No lines, no black and white. > >> When you pluck an acoustic guitar, you aren't making the sound- very bas= ic >> technology (strings vibrating over a sound hole) creates the sound. Are= =20 >> you >> then hiding behind the technology of the acoustic guitar? I guess only >> vocalists would be considered pure musicians then. ; ) > >Perhaps. I've seen this argued before, but that would be the extreme end o= f=20 >the spectrum and bell curve. With certain assumptions, one could make a=20 >valid argument for this. > >> To me- if I can use it (whether 'it' be a bass, a wood block, a Flanger,= a >> laptop or a Repeater) to make noise, it's an instrument. From there the >> only thing that matters is how the artist chooses to use the sound=20 >> creation >> device. > >I agree with you, philosophically here, but there are still glaring exampl= es=20 >where not a lot of talent and artistic creativity in producing a piece of= =20 >music, but is relying primarily on processing after the fact. I can't be= =20 >convinced otherwise, because I see it in the flesh frequently. It is easy= =20 >to say that we are all just using instruments and promote this "I'm Okay,= =20 >You're Okay" approach, but in my opinion this is also an all to convenient= =20 >way to avoid the talent and creativity component, will varies in radical= =20 >degrees in performances. The fact remains, there are people out there tha= t=20 >havne't really mastered there instruments or who are intermediate players= =20 >(and who will openly admit this) still struggligg with their main=20 >instrument, who use gear to compensate for that. It's not right or wrong,= =20 >good or bad...I just see it and think it needs to be recognized. > >I'm talking way too much here and getting more acute in my opinions. I=20 >apologize for that. I'll refrain from responding for a while. > >Kris > > > > >> Well that got a little more lengthy than I thought I was going to >> go.....just some Friday morning ramblings. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Kris Hartung" To:=20 >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> cc: >> 03/17/2006 10:46 AM Subject: Re: what a loop= =20 >> has to say >> Please respond to >> Loopers-Delight >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My wife once told me that when I sit down with my acoustic guitar and ju= st >> play freely, that what she hears sound more creative than anything else = I >> do with my gear, looping, etc. I find that sort of interesting (sometime= s >> discouraging)...makes me start to question what is really necessary for = me >> to express myself artistically, vs. hiding behind the gear. Heck, if I c= an >> sit down at a gig with just my acoustic, and satisfy both myself and=20 >> others >> artistically, I'd probably be retired right now with all the money I wou= ld >> have saved! :) >> >> But I just love the effects, and I openly admit that "sometimes" they do >> substitute for true, raw creativity. I would be surprised if anyone on= =20 >> this >> list who uses a lot of gear thought or felt otherwise. It would take=20 >> quite >> a artistic genius to ALWAYS, 100% of the time, have effects acquiesce to >> one's talent and creativity, rather than the other way around. Either an >> artistic genius, or a complete liar. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: daniel stevenson >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:39 AM >> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say >> >> i do find the clean acoustic guitar to be my muse.yet ill mangle it with >> reverse and speed control.varible delay times seems to keep the sound >> pure.maybe just a phase im goin thru but nothing beats a good ole acoust= ic >> source into a looper. >> my best regards, >> scary >> visionary. >> >> Kris Hartung wrote: >> > Yep, to me a loop says, "Freedom." >> > G >> >> Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise when >> you >> aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling devices, etc? >> I've >> found this to be the case with me. I love all the cool effects at my >> disposal - the Boss VF-1, hundreds of VST effects, LXP5, etc - but they >> sometimes produce artificial restrictions or boundaries on my creativit= y. >> I >> tend to be more intentionally and genuinely creative, and less enamored >> and >> influenced by technology, when I just play with a clean guitar sound wi= th >> >> just a touch of reverb and delay for ambiance. You have nothing but the >> notes, basically, no window dressing to distract the creative process. >> I'm >> sure this is quite subjective and relative, but I'd be curious what >> others >> think of this. I guess just the simple sound of the guitar forces me to >> think more out of the box, rather than relying on the box. For example, >> you >> have a effect patch that has two octaves and panning delays that go on >> forrrrrrrever....you play one "note"...just one human data-point of >> interaction, and the gear takes credit for the rest of the interesting >> sound >> for the next minute. And I start to think to myself, what is really >> creative >> about that? I could play 10 notes in 3 minutes and produce a song that >> requires very little creative energy. It would be interesting to take a= ll >> >> of our looping songs and strip every single cool effect from them, >> resulting >> in just the initially, humanly generated notes and natural sound of the >> instrument...what might we discover? How much of the intrigue of the so= ng >> is >> generated by the gear vs. human creative energy? These are just open >> questions for discussion. I'm not necessarily making any categorical >> point >> here. >> >> And in this regard, I really respect a lot of the work of Derek Bailey, >> where its just him and his hollowbody guitar...quite amazing what a guy >> can >> do with just a guitar and amp. >> >> ...I'm off to bed now. It's been a long day. >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Mail >> Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- >> This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the= =20 >> use >> of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt fr= om >> disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified tha= t >> any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is >> strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, >> please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- >> >> >>=20 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 18:38:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ABEB3BECD; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ap7qKuysEFwsfyDMUWl0EDbxQtVKQIzE3o87KFy6RYkawIFvpWgZhmMO+LPjioDh; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <20969188.1142620731996.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:38:51 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pre loop prep Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da94085e17ca89bc6c927b590767343ad75ed350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:38:53 +0000 (UTC)
Scary Visionary
 
I can empathize with this as an idea. I remember having so many moments of gigantic realization and connectedness whilst ingesting various substances. However, they didn't allow me to function and do the mundane things like pay the mortgage and other bills, be a responsible and connected son and most of all  a good boyfriend/husband/partner. It made me really disconnected from the world. I would love to find some way of replicating those feelings of listening to Daniel Lanois' Acadie and being altered on some perfectly lovely hydroponic/Godiva brownies whilst watching a meteor shower. But that ain't gonna happen and me still be able to keep a job and my wife happy. I respect that way of getting to dance with the muse however. I've no philosophical problem with it. Does it allow you to connect with others on a higher spiritual/emotional plain? Just wondering.
 
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this may be a sad fact...but if i dont smoke like a hobbit my music suffers.it may be im too in touch with reality when not slightly "altered".and a few times a year for something special...."shrooms"takes the music to a level of vision quest proportions.
this is not an endorsement of abuse.it may be the clouded perspective of a damaged mind.i believe these things help my expression.
                                      keep marc emery free.
                                                                      scary visionary

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 18:47:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CEA13BED8; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1142621265!23393416!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F55@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: mungenast@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Knustford in May (was: what a loop has to say) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:47:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C649F3.46CDA280" Resent-Message-ID: <8ejYED.A.c_F.URwGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:47:48 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C649F3.46CDA280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" why, thank you sir. I'm the one with the 80s style rolled-up jacket sleeves, to my shame. I listened to it myself only last week. we obtained the audio samples from the bbc library; the staff at jodrell bank were astonished to hear them, as they didn't know the recordings (from the 50s) had survived. they were experimenting with arthur c clarke's crazy notion that radio waves could be bounced off of objects in earth-orbit to extend their range beyond the visible horizon..... &, in lieu of an actual comms satellite (none had been launched at this point), they used the surface of the moon. hence "hello moon! hello moon!". "skeletopes" got it's name from our guitarist's oldest, then a mere 5 years old. we tried to explain to him that the large "satellite" dish was a telescope but he couldn't equate this with it's scaffoldy structure. there's a word for this type of fortuitous malapropism that eludes me presently. oh, & we had our mellotron there, in the same room as bernard lovell's grand piano, in the little planetarium. these days, the planetarium is no more, though the main observatory survives. instead, we gig at a newer planetarium at the national space centre in leicester, where there's a bloke who used to do the laser show for pink floyd. the centre itself, aswell as being the public face of british space endeavour (whatever it is these days) was the control centre for the mars lander known as "beagle", the poor thing. we're playing there next saturday, actually- the 25th. mr ian boddy will be joining us for some larking about. duncan/radio massacre international. -----Original Message----- From: mungenast@earthlink.net [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: 17 March 2006 17:24 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Knustford in May RE: [LOOP] what a loop has to say Hey Duncan! I gave your Knutsford disc a few more spins last week, and it remains a very satisfying listen. Cheers, Tim -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com Sent: Mar 17, 2006 12:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [LOOP] what a loop has to say >>Most of the time, I let the sound of the loop define where I'm going, what it needs to do next, what additional loops and layers it wants to play with next, when it wants to take a break and sit back and listen to the other loops play, and when it invites me to come play with it.<< I recognise this. sometimes it will be a chunk of audio in a looper, sometimes a line or two in a looping hardware sequencer (doepfer maq, notron, whatever), sometimes something our guitarist has going around in his jam-man. whatever it is, it will "seed" the whole improv, & may disappear only to re-appear later on, perhaps in a modified form. with careful use of effects &/or patches, the looping material can give the impression of live & controlled evolution, as though someone is devoting some concentration to it's manipulation when, in fact, it's just free-running. meanwhile, slightly more complex beings are interacting with it. it's a bit like having a junior member of the band, who isn't quite sure how far they can push their chops, so they just find a groove & stay in it for a while. indeed, I find myself wondering if "junior" is the right word, since as a bass player I find staying in one groove for a long time is actually very hard & requires some disciplne I simply don't have. hmmm.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C649F3.46CDA280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Knustford in May (was: what a loop has to say)

why, thank you sir.
I'm the one with the 80s style rolled-up jacket = sleeves, to my shame.

I listened to it myself only last week. we obtained = the audio samples from the bbc library; the staff at jodrell bank were = astonished to hear them, as they didn't know the recordings (from the = 50s) had survived. they were experimenting with arthur c clarke's crazy = notion that radio waves could be bounced off of objects in earth-orbit = to extend their range beyond the visible horizon..... &, in lieu of = an actual comms satellite (none had been launched at this point), they = used the surface of the moon. hence "hello moon! hello = moon!".

"skeletopes" got it's name from our = guitarist's oldest, then a mere 5 years old. we tried to explain to him = that the large "satellite" dish was a telescope but he = couldn't equate this with it's scaffoldy structure. there's a word for = this type of fortuitous malapropism that eludes me = presently.

oh, & we had our mellotron there, in the same = room as bernard lovell's grand piano, in the little planetarium.
these days, the planetarium is no more, though the = main observatory survives. instead, we gig at a newer planetarium at = the national space centre in leicester, where there's a bloke who used = to do the laser show for pink floyd. the centre itself, aswell as being = the public face of british space endeavour (whatever it is these days) = was the control centre for the mars lander known as "beagle", = the poor thing.

we're playing there next saturday, actually- the = 25th. mr ian boddy will be joining us for some larking about.

duncan/radio massacre international.
-----Original Message-----
From: mungenast@earthlink.net [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]
Sent: 17 March 2006 17:24
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Knustford in May RE: [LOOP] what a loop has = to say


Hey Duncan!

I gave your Knutsford disc a few more spins last = week, and it remains a very satisfying listen.

Cheers,
Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com
Sent: Mar 17, 2006 12:13 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: [LOOP] what a loop has to say


>>Most of the time, I let the sound of the loop = define where I'm going, what
it needs to do next, what additional loops and = layers it wants to play
with next, when it wants to take a break and sit = back and listen to the
other loops play, and when it invites me to come = play with it.<<
I recognise this.
sometimes it will be a chunk of audio in a looper, = sometimes a line or two in a looping hardware sequencer (doepfer maq, = notron, whatever), sometimes something our guitarist has going around = in his jam-man.

whatever it is, it will "seed" the whole = improv, & may disappear only to re-appear later on, perhaps in a = modified form.

with careful use of effects &/or patches, the = looping material can give the impression of live & controlled = evolution, as though someone is devoting some concentration to it's = manipulation when, in fact, it's just free-running.

meanwhile, slightly more complex beings are = interacting with it.
it's a bit like having a junior member of the band, = who isn't quite sure how far they can push their chops, so they just = find a groove & stay in it for a while. indeed, I find myself = wondering if "junior" is the right word, since as a bass = player I find staying in one groove for a long time is actually very = hard & requires some disciplne I simply don't have.

hmmm....
duncan.


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C649F3.46CDA280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 18:52:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 188F13BEDC; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1142621542!34144039!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F56@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:52:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C649F3.E7413A10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:52:24 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C649F3.E7413A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>Can a musician hide behind extremely developed playing abilities?<< I read this as "can someone who hasn't actually got all that much to say with his music, disguise this fact with a blinding array of technical virtuosity?" & I think we've probably all seen examples of this from time to time. I was going to say "fripp" & run for the door, but I've more than half me pint left & I'm not wasting good beer just because I can't keep me mouth shut! :-) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C649F3.E7413A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: what a loop has to say

>>Can a musician hide behind extremely developed pl= aying abilities?<<

I read this as "can someone who hasn't actually got = all that much to say with his music, disguise this fact with a blinding arr= ay of technical virtuosity?" & I think we've probably all seen exa= mples of this from time to time.

I was going to say "fripp" & run for the do= or, but I've more than half me pint left & I'm not wasting good beer ju= st because I can't keep me mouth shut!  :-)

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Thanks for the background info!
 
BTW, have you had a chance to listen to "The Un-stableboy" yet, in both seconds of your spare time?
;-)
 
~Tim



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why, thank you sir.
I'm the one with the 80s style rolled-up jacket sleeves, to my shame.

I listened to it myself only last week. we obtained the audio samples from the bbc library; the staff at jodrell bank were astonished to hear them, as they didn't know the recordings (from the 50s) had survived. they were experimenting with arthur c clarke's crazy notion that radio waves could be bounced off of objects in earth-orbit to extend their range beyond the visible horizon..... &, in lieu of an actual comms satellite (none had been launched at this point), they used the surface of the moon. hence "hello moon! hello moon!".

"skeletopes" got it's name from our guitarist's oldest, then a mere 5 years old. we tried to explain to him that the large "satellite" dish was a telescope but he couldn't equate this with it's scaffoldy structure. there's a word for this type of fortuitous malapropism that eludes me presently.

oh, & we had our mellotron there, in the same room as bernard lovell's grand piano, in the little planetarium.
these days, the planetarium is no more, though the main observatory survives. instead, we gig at a newer planetarium at the national space centre in leicester, where there's a bloke who used to do the laser show for pink floyd. the centre itself, aswell as being the public face of british space endeavour (whatever it is these days) was the control centre for the mars lander known as "beagle", the poor thing.

we're playing there next saturday, actually- the 25th. mr ian boddy will be joining us for some larking about.

duncan/radio massacre international.
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Hey Duncan!

I gave your Knutsford disc a few more spins last week, and it remains a very satisfying listen.

Cheers,
Tim


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>>Most of the time, I let the sound of the loop define where I'm going, what
it needs to do next, what additional loops and layers it wants to play
with next, when it wants to take a break and sit back and listen to the
other loops play, and when it invites me to come play with it.<<
I recognise this.
sometimes it will be a chunk of audio in a looper, sometimes a line or two in a looping hardware sequencer (doepfer maq, notron, whatever), sometimes something our guitarist has going around in his jam-man.

whatever it is, it will "seed" the whole improv, & may disappear only to re-appear later on, perhaps in a modified form.

with careful use of effects &/or patches, the looping material can give the impression of live & controlled evolution, as though someone is devoting some concentration to it's manipulation when, in fact, it's just free-running.

meanwhile, slightly more complex beings are interacting with it.
it's a bit like having a junior member of the band, who isn't quite sure how far they can push their chops, so they just find a groove & stay in it for a while. indeed, I find myself wondering if "junior" is the right word, since as a bass player I find staying in one groove for a long time is actually very hard & requires some disciplne I simply don't have.

hmmm....
duncan.


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 19:21:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A5E63BED2; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c1501c649f7$fdc454d0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <10466525.1142620253703.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:21:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.661000 Content: cid=195(1.0) =1.0,Adult word fuck=0.7 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 505, in=255160, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:21:32 +0000 (UTC) You don't have to read this philosophical drivel.....BUT...the nice thing with this thread, I think, is that most everyone on this list has to some extent integrated technology into the identify of their sound, whether that be a looping device or a complicated array of effects processors, whether it is to completely redefine their sound or merely enhance it. We are amongst friends in that respect. There is another school of thought, a purist one, probably not fostered in this group, that would suggest that we are all guilty of masking talent with gimmicks and gadgetry. And I would openly admit that this group has a valid argument, given the set of assumptions and values upon which their argument rests. All of our viewpoints here rest on a set of assumptions and personal or community based values. So we're not touting the Truth here, merely investigating and exploring what we can infer from a common set of assumptions, or reconsile different assumptions. I like this sort of activity. It stimulates my brain, and also makes me aware that we can be contradicted at any point in time with a parallel set of assumptions and arguments. In this above light, I don't really think his is a debate (in the strict term), as it is a comparison and contrast of assumptions and the inferences we can draw from them. No one can dispute a subjective value, like liking the color red, but we can question the logic involved in inferring things from those values. I go back to the famous analytic and linguistic philosopher Wittgenstein's concept that there are really no legitimate arguments once you get clear on the assumptions and meanings of the terms we use. This is all language games, an interesting cluster fuck of complementary and/or contradictory assumptions and their respective inferences. Have you ever seen two people argue endlessly about whether something they see is actually denoted by one term or another? That's a language game, based on different assumptions. The argument wouldn't even start until they agreed on the terms and then started making inferences from that point onward. In my experience, 99% of the arguments I hear or read in the area of music and art, are language games. They never begin with a clarification of the assumptions, which lay the foundation for discussion and prevent unnecessary bantering. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Howell" To: Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:30 AM Subject: Re: what a loop has to say To add to the current debate, I would say there are varying levels of hiding behind technology and to see what the true motivation is. That gets you on a slippery slope one you start the debate. Personally, I realize my own set of limitations when I play. I am not particularly fast, but can be fluent when I take my time with things. I guess that looping allows me to build in small micro-steps sometimes, avoiding the need to make "the big statement now" kind of thing. I also realize that when I've tried to be some manner of shredder (trust that I was unimpressive) that I've done things that sounded completely unreal for me. I am not a blues, straight into the amp kind of cat and I realize that when I've tried to play like that, it is just not that interesting. So hence, I have a big board on the floor with all manner of processing goodies. Whatever gives you your true voice is what I would say. Whatever, that is go with that and celebrate it. It is a big world and someone will appreciate your uniqueness be you Fripp, Frissell or just plain me doodling to my border collie and cats. That is how I see it. I of course could very well be wrong. Todd -----Original Message----- >From: Kris Hartung >Sent: Mar 17, 2006 11:35 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: what a loop has to say > >> I mean, if you follow the logic of 'hiding behind gear', where do you >> draw >> the line? > >You don't. It's a spectrum, or a bell curve. No lines, no black and white. > >> When you pluck an acoustic guitar, you aren't making the sound- very >> basic >> technology (strings vibrating over a sound hole) creates the sound. Are >> you >> then hiding behind the technology of the acoustic guitar? I guess only >> vocalists would be considered pure musicians then. ; ) > >Perhaps. I've seen this argued before, but that would be the extreme end of >the spectrum and bell curve. With certain assumptions, one could make a >valid argument for this. > >> To me- if I can use it (whether 'it' be a bass, a wood block, a Flanger, >> a >> laptop or a Repeater) to make noise, it's an instrument. From there the >> only thing that matters is how the artist chooses to use the sound >> creation >> device. > >I agree with you, philosophically here, but there are still glaring >examples >where not a lot of talent and artistic creativity in producing a piece of >music, but is relying primarily on processing after the fact. I can't be >convinced otherwise, because I see it in the flesh frequently. It is easy >to say that we are all just using instruments and promote this "I'm Okay, >You're Okay" approach, but in my opinion this is also an all to convenient >way to avoid the talent and creativity component, will varies in radical >degrees in performances. The fact remains, there are people out there that >havne't really mastered there instruments or who are intermediate players >(and who will openly admit this) still struggligg with their main >instrument, who use gear to compensate for that. It's not right or wrong, >good or bad...I just see it and think it needs to be recognized. > >I'm talking way too much here and getting more acute in my opinions. I >apologize for that. I'll refrain from responding for a while. > >Kris > > > > >> Well that got a little more lengthy than I thought I was going to >> go.....just some Friday morning ramblings. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Kris Hartung" To: >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> cc: >> 03/17/2006 10:46 AM Subject: Re: what a loop >> has to say >> Please respond to >> Loopers-Delight >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My wife once told me that when I sit down with my acoustic guitar and >> just >> play freely, that what she hears sound more creative than anything else I >> do with my gear, looping, etc. I find that sort of interesting (sometimes >> discouraging)...makes me start to question what is really necessary for >> me >> to express myself artistically, vs. hiding behind the gear. Heck, if I >> can >> sit down at a gig with just my acoustic, and satisfy both myself and >> others >> artistically, I'd probably be retired right now with all the money I >> would >> have saved! :) >> >> But I just love the effects, and I openly admit that "sometimes" they do >> substitute for true, raw creativity. I would be surprised if anyone on >> this >> list who uses a lot of gear thought or felt otherwise. It would take >> quite >> a artistic genius to ALWAYS, 100% of the time, have effects acquiesce to >> one's talent and creativity, rather than the other way around. Either an >> artistic genius, or a complete liar. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: daniel stevenson >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:39 AM >> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say >> >> i do find the clean acoustic guitar to be my muse.yet ill mangle it with >> reverse and speed control.varible delay times seems to keep the sound >> pure.maybe just a phase im goin thru but nothing beats a good ole >> acoustic >> source into a looper. >> my best regards, >> scary >> visionary. >> >> Kris Hartung wrote: >> > Yep, to me a loop says, "Freedom." >> > G >> >> Speaking of which, does anyone find it easier to freely improvise when >> you >> aren't using layers and layers of effects, tone mangling devices, etc? >> I've >> found this to be the case with me. I love all the cool effects at my >> disposal - the Boss VF-1, hundreds of VST effects, LXP5, etc - but they >> sometimes produce artificial restrictions or boundaries on my >> creativity. >> I >> tend to be more intentionally and genuinely creative, and less enamored >> and >> influenced by technology, when I just play with a clean guitar sound >> with >> >> just a touch of reverb and delay for ambiance. You have nothing but the >> notes, basically, no window dressing to distract the creative process. >> I'm >> sure this is quite subjective and relative, but I'd be curious what >> others >> think of this. I guess just the simple sound of the guitar forces me to >> think more out of the box, rather than relying on the box. For example, >> you >> have a effect patch that has two octaves and panning delays that go on >> forrrrrrrever....you play one "note"...just one human data-point of >> interaction, and the gear takes credit for the rest of the interesting >> sound >> for the next minute. And I start to think to myself, what is really >> creative >> about that? I could play 10 notes in 3 minutes and produce a song that >> requires very little creative energy. It would be interesting to take >> all >> >> of our looping songs and strip every single cool effect from them, >> resulting >> in just the initially, humanly generated notes and natural sound of the >> instrument...what might we discover? How much of the intrigue of the >> song >> is >> generated by the gear vs. human creative energy? These are just open >> questions for discussion. I'm not necessarily making any categorical >> point >> here. >> >> And in this regard, I really respect a lot of the work of Derek Bailey, >> where its just him and his hollowbody guitar...quite amazing what a guy >> can >> do with just a guitar and amp. >> >> ...I'm off to bed now. It's been a long day. >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Mail >> Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the >> use >> of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt >> from >> disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that >> any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is >> strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, >> please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 19:57:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAD683BECF; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authentication-Warning: hiei.bluefrog.com: apache set sender to mizfeldman@bluefrog.com using -f Message-ID: <20060317145706.a2zn5m1i7wcs4cc0@webmail.bluefrog.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:57:06 -0500 From: mizfeldman@bluefrog.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what a loop has to say MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:57:07 +0000 (UTC) ok, so Jimmy Page said, "If you use it at the right time and it works, then it's valid." i think it's always up to the musician (or any kind of artist) to decide if a certain instrument, technique or effect "works" at a given time. that said, it's also the prerogative of an audience to make judgements based on whatever criteria they find relevant. but purism always seems a bit arbitrary to me, whatever the genre. you can use an instrument (a guitar, a hardware looper, software, etc.) to make music or you can use it to self-aggrandize. if you're just showing off or faking a technique you haven't mastered, then the music is bound to be boring. music made for the sake of the music, to me, sounds better, no matter how "unskilled" or naive the player. personally, i hope if my motives are pure and the audience is genuinely listening, they'll like what they hear. unless it sucks. :) ------------------------------------------------------ This message was sent using BlueFrog's Webmail System http://www.bluefrog.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 20:28:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B3883BEC7; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: hiding behind technology (was: what a loop has to say) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:28:24 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c64a01$57b1f160$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZJ+A1FH3eGQAj8SV2sBKXIl5udpAACPLOA In-Reply-To: <0c1501c649f7$fdc454d0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <3KOazD.A.9WC.uvxGEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:28:30 +0000 (UTC) ok, here's another kind of position in this debate: The instrument I play is "effects". I sometimes hide these effects behind playing on something non-effect, like a guitar or keyboard. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 21:29:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB9953BED0; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <000601c64a01$57b1f160$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000601c64a01$57b1f160$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <14E71412-AD12-4E2D-9B13-345CAC530DC2@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: hiding behind technology (was: what a loop has to say) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:29:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:29:57 +0000 (UTC) On 17 mar 2006, at 21.28, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > ok, here's another kind of position in this debate: > > The instrument I play is "effects". I sometimes hide these effects > behind > playing on something non-effect, like a guitar or keyboard. Not bad, that post ;-)) Made my day, you FX Shredder! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 21:33:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70F8D3BECD; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b201c64a0a$67f844d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: what a loop says Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:33:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Kris wrote: "I agree with you, philosophically here, but there are still glaring examples where not a lot of talent and artistic creativity in producing a piece of music, but is relying primarily on processing after the fact." Sure, Kris, and there are a lot of shitty acoustic jazz guitarists in the world. The gear doesn't make it shitty........................the lack of creativity and/or skill does. It's true of all music and in a way, it may not be necessary to have a philosophy about it. Just don't buy the person's album............................don't attend their next show. Or better yet, use the same gear and make a piece of music that you think is worthwhile. respectfully, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 21:36:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 850593BEDC; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b601c64a0a$cd6da080$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: what a loop says: REQUEST Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:36:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:36:04 +0000 (UTC) This has been a wonderful stimulating discussion and I'm glad to have read it. With that in mind, would everybody PLEASE STOP COPYING ENTIRE PREVIOUS POSTS into their replies? I got 7 digests today on this thread alone. If you take the time to just quote the relevant quip you are replying to it's a hell of a lot easier and , more importantly, quicker to read. thanks, r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 21:41:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F06BF3BED9; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <01b601c64a0a$cd6da080$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <01b601c64a0a$cd6da080$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Digest (was: what a loop says: REQUEST) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:41:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:41:38 +0000 (UTC) On 17 mar 2006, at 22.36, loop.pool wrote: > digests Why is it you take the digest? Why not having separate mails and having them auto-filtered into a mail box? per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 21:51:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28D963BECC; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <441B2F9C.5000709@unguitar.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:52:28 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what a loop says References: <01b201c64a0a$67f844d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <01b201c64a0a$67f844d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:51:28 +0000 (UTC) a kiss to Rick luca loop.pool wrote: > Kris wrote: > "I agree with you, philosophically here, but there are still glaring > examples > where not a lot of talent and artistic creativity in producing a piece of > music, but is relying primarily on processing after the fact." > > Sure, Kris, and there are a lot of shitty acoustic jazz guitarists in > the world. > The gear doesn't make it shitty........................the lack of > creativity and/or skill does. > > It's true of all music and in a way, it may not be necessary to have > a philosophy about it. > > Just don't buy the person's album............................don't > attend their next show. > > Or better yet, use the same gear and make a piece of music that you > think is worthwhile. > > respectfully, Rick > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 22:18:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2F6A3BED2; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060317215128.B3D383BEDE@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060317215128.B3D383BEDE@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <708151be0ad6405415558524338c953f@free.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: daviD Subject: Re: Digest Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:17:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:18:05 +0000 (UTC) > De: Per Boysen > Date: 17 mars 2006 22:41:36 GMT+01:00 > > On 17 mar 2006, at 22.36, loop.pool wrote: >> digests > > Why is it you take the digest? Why not having separate mails and > having them auto-filtered into a mail box? > per Because different people have different habits regarding emails and the reading thereof Because some of us read mails using webmail (for personal mails at work for example) Because filtering "relevant" info is much faster with digests Because some people don't want hundreds of emails in their inbox at the end of the day (this list is far from being exhaustive ;) And I wholeheartedly agree with loop.pool : it is usually considered basic netiquette to remove the parts of mails that are not needed to understand what you're saying (and I'm not even speaking of headers and signatures). If several people fail to do this, the signal to noise ratio of the list quickly degenerates... "Simulating the true styles and making carefully ! Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 23:05:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35A1B3BECA; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <000601c64a01$57b1f160$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000601c64a01$57b1f160$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: hiding behind technology (was: what a loop has to say) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:05:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <3mWjzC.A.I1E._C0GEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:05:36 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:28 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 wrote: > ok, here's another kind of position in this debate: > > The instrument I play is "effects". I sometimes hide these effects=20 > behind > playing on something non-effect, like a guitar or keyboard. > That is good! Made me smile. Thank you! I hate the term "effects" in this kind of conversation...it sounds too=20= much like something that is applied to the music, instead being the=20 music. The same reason I don't like the word "technology." There is too=20= much of a dichotomy being created between instruments and "effects."=20 They are all instruments. My Max/MSP patch is a software instrument, my=20= horn is a wind instrument. But then again, if we get rid of that=20 dichotomy, much of this conversation is done... best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 23:25:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D3473BED6; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d4001c64a1a$0759ab40$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Real-Time Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web - March 24 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:25:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0D3D_01C649DF.5A4FC630" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.889188 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Aspam=0.1 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 505, in=255352, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:25:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0D3D_01C649DF.5A4FC630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, It's that time again. It has been a while since I streamed a real-time = looping performance to the web. Here are the details: What: Improvisational Real-Time Looping Performance Streamed to Web Who: Me on acoustic guitar, looping (with Mobius), computer generated = sound effects, and whatever else makes it way into the signal stream Where: Streamed world-wide to the web in real-time at = http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") Date: March 24, 2006 (Friday) Time: 12-1pm Mountain (Boise), 11am-12pm Pacific (San Francisco), 1-2pm = Central (Houston), 2-3pm Eastern (Boston), 7-8pm Greenwich Mean Time = (GMT)=20 Gear: Taylor acoustic guitar, two Boss VF-1 units, Lexicon LXP1, Lexicon = LXP5, Mobius (looping software), Behringer FCB MIDI controller...(no = computer-based VST effect system this time around Feel free to plug the stream output into your mixer and record along = with me, if you like. I'd love to hear the mix! If you want to comment on the performance, you can send instant messages = to: kris_hartung (yahoo) krispenhartung (AIM) kris.hartung@hp.com (MSN) 272583693 (ICQ) Look out for a duo performance in the near future as well, between me = and Rainer, and perhaps someon here in Boise. Cheers, Kris www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_000_0D3D_01C649DF.5A4FC630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
It's that time again. It has been a = while since I=20 streamed a real-time looping performance to the web. Here are the=20 details:
 
What: Improvisational = Real-Time=20 Looping Performance Streamed to Web
Who: Me on = acoustic=20 guitar, looping (with Mobius), computer generated sound effects, and = whatever=20 else makes it way into the signal stream
Where: = Streamed=20 world-wide to the web in real-time at http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click=20 on "Listen")
Date: March 24, 2006=20 (Friday)
Time: 12-1pm Mountain (Boise), 11am-12pm = Pacific=20 (San Francisco), 1-2pm Central (Houston), 2-3pm Eastern (Boston), = 7-8pm=20 Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) 
Gear: Taylor acoustic = guitar, two=20 Boss VF-1 units, Lexicon LXP1, Lexicon LXP5, Mobius (looping software),=20 Behringer FCB MIDI controller...(no computer-based VST effect system = this time=20 around
 
Feel free to plug the stream = output into your=20 mixer and record along with me, if you like. I'd love to hear the = mix!

If=20 you want to comment on the performance, you can send instant messages=20 to:
 
kris_hartung (yahoo)
krispenhartung (AIM)
kris.hartung@hp.com (MSN)
272583693 (ICQ)
 
Look out for a duo performance in the = near future=20 as well, between me and Rainer, and perhaps someon here in = Boise.
 
Cheers,

Kris
=
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0D3D_01C649DF.5A4FC630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 23:32:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7123BECC; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <021b01c64a1b$1a3a7950$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: REQUEST Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:32:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:32:45 +0000 (UTC) per asked: "Why is it you take the digest? Why not having separate mails and having them auto-filtered into a mail box?" Because it is much quicker to deal with seeing the list of a lot of posts and knowing which ones I want to open and which ones I want to not read (i.e., anything having to do with the RC 20, Boomerang, Headrush, et. al. because I don't own them). The whole point is speeding up the e-mail process which can be very time consuming in a day. I don't think it is too much to do to ask people to edit their responses. Kim, our fearless leader, has requested us to do so for years now because it saves bandwidth. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 23:40:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA28B3BEC7; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <021b01c64a1b$1a3a7950$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <021b01c64a1b$1a3a7950$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5E4F512D-20B8-40B0-9CAE-EE6E8E1B12EA@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: REQUEST Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:40:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:40:29 +0000 (UTC) On 18 mar 2006, at 00.32, loop.pool wrote: > per asked: >> "Why is it you take the digest? Why not having separate mails and >> having them auto-filtered into a mail box?" > > Because it is much quicker to deal with seeing the list of a lot of > posts and knowing which ones I want > to open and which ones I want to not read (i.e., anything having > to do with the RC 20, Boomerang, Headrush, > et. al. because I don't own them). The whole point is speeding > up the e-mail process which can be > very time consuming in a day. Really? Then I need to check out the digest form. I thought nothing is faster than separate mails. > I don't think it is too much to do to ask people to edit their > responses Of course! That's expected from anyone, no matter digest driven or not. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 17 23:43:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C94023BECD; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004101c64a1c$ed808380$1ab85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060317145706.a2zn5m1i7wcs4cc0@webmail.bluefrog.com> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:45:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:43:29 +0000 (UTC) > ..... but purism always seems a bit arbitrary to me, whatever the genre. I became heavily involved in solo acoustic guitar and singing for about 5 years, and the longer I was involved in that genre, the more claustrophobic it felt. Even without effects and technology, there was a purist 'attitude' that questioned abstract song forms, lyrics, *intent*?! etc. I found it a very conservative clique, and finally decided to ADD effects to make my point very clear that I was serving my muse, not their expectations or traditions. As much as I enjoy solo acoustic performance, I'm more inclined to mix it up just to keep myself outside of that particular box. (Or course I'll be looping as well... ) -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 00:14:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 171253BECA; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: E-H Multirack Looper Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:13:59 -0500 Message-ID: <006301c64a20$db934af0$6600a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcZJm75poIBdoN5lRN2wnAJv4lWEpwAhNqSg X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Some big pics and other info about E-H's multitrack looper...kind of a Repeater-lite? http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2006/Electro-Harmonix-2880.html Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 02:09:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B3B63BECC; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Streaming my entire discography right now Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:08:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0DAA_01C649F6.3F26AEC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.272000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 504, in=245308, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:09:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0DAA_01C649F6.3F26AEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This evening I'm streaming songs, in random order and in CD quality, = from my entire 4 CD discography, including the recent LD colloration = project, Xperimentus.... Dial in if you want some good background music while you have a beer or = glass of wine, etc. http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") Cheers, Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com www.boisemusicians.com/experimental www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0DAA_01C649F6.3F26AEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This evening I'm streaming songs, in = random order=20 and in CD quality, from my entire 4 CD discography, including the recent = LD=20 colloration project, Xperimentus....
 
Dial in if you want some good = background music=20 while you have a beer or glass of wine, etc.
 
http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click=20 on "Listen")
 
Cheers,
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0DAA_01C649F6.3F26AEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 02:19:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F1813BED0; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441B6E21.2010203@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:19:13 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now References: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Are there any effects on it? :) +----O----+ (this is me, trying to give you a big hug) :) Doug Kris Hartung wrote: > This evening I'm streaming songs, in random order and in CD quality, > from my entire 4 CD discography, including the recent LD colloration > project, Xperimentus.... > > Dial in if you want some good background music while you have a beer > or glass of wine, etc. > > http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 02:22:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED7AB3BED0; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ddf01c64a32$c2515c50$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441B6E21.2010203@pdq.net> Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:22:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 505, in=255487, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Fuck yes...loads of them, and proud of it. I'm hiding my deficiencies as a musician. :) I'm glad we all have a sense of humor. I love you guys... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now > Are there any effects on it? > > :) > > +----O----+ > > (this is me, trying to give you a big hug) :) > > Doug > > Kris Hartung wrote: > >> This evening I'm streaming songs, in random order and in CD quality, from >> my entire 4 CD discography, including the recent LD colloration project, >> Xperimentus.... >> Dial in if you want some good background music while you have a beer or >> glass of wine, etc. >> http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 02:22:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 051203BEDA; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,106,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="877141126:sNHT181051504" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <0501408C-9897-49DF-815E-2D5BDBF57B8B@boysen.se> References: <441AE382.40202@pdq.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060317084223.01bf6430@TheNettles.com> <0bd201c649e8$fc217810$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0501408C-9897-49DF-815E-2D5BDBF57B8B@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1bc772eecda74bdae79c78b737795051@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:17:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Per, On Mar 17, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Can a musician hide behind extremely developed playing abilities? > If so, what is he trying to compensate for? > And what does it take for a listener to see through the hoax? > Good point. They might be hiding the fact that they haven't had a single "original" idea in years -- if ever. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 03:06:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC0B03BED2; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AqGhq6qJ/JGUDYadtotUlS0bt4unUdeZNLsrqcmv7w1jlJDgIG/rHNTOzkuWbzvc7odntkHukplr9w8ZBgTsMrEwYrZOAgoOPl4bBLNpUo1GsWTQketEU+ZyHy0rqADsDrVMgYbm4qXJ2EM36l/gySfL8s4aFsBP/gko79iwCFg= Message-ID: <588ce11d0603171906x2b1cb8f5k3924d96f22d061e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:06:33 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now In-Reply-To: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:06:35 +0000 (UTC) I'm listening to "Impossible Shades of Blue" (while drinking a beer) right now. Great Stuff! (um, the music I mean). Thanks for the stream. On 3/17/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > This evening I'm streaming songs, in random order and in CD quality, from= my > entire 4 CD discography, including the recent LD colloration project, > Xperimentus.... > > Dial in if you want some good background music while you have a beer or > glass of wine, etc. > > http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") > > Cheers, > > Kris > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com > www.boisemusicians.com/experimental > www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 03:08:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7BD63BED0; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e3301c64a39$443393e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0603171906x2b1cb8f5k3924d96f22d061e5@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:08:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ****: 4.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Aspam=3.0 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -energy -measure -originally -confirmation -food -brain -samples -miracle -confident X-Aspam: URLS scored 3.0 tripod.com ubgonline.com X-Aspam: Best match was sample d:\bad\130228271.tmp X-Aspam: Total 3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 502, in=242829, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Cool. Thanks! I'm working on a pint of Spaten Optimator at the moment...my favorite German import here in the US....it's sort of fun listening to my own music.... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Simon" To: Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now I'm listening to "Impossible Shades of Blue" (while drinking a beer) right now. Great Stuff! (um, the music I mean). Thanks for the stream. On 3/17/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > This evening I'm streaming songs, in random order and in CD quality, from > my > entire 4 CD discography, including the recent LD colloration project, > Xperimentus.... > > Dial in if you want some good background music while you have a beer or > glass of wine, etc. > > http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") > > Cheers, > > Kris > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com > www.boisemusicians.com/experimental > www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 03:12:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DD5C3BED8; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=W70CgLx6RL0DEx5fdidykCnmE+3oNHaI7wqTeEqVX//Wfw5fSfuIm1F6oFPPczasQa/7deInNNLiie7IzZGeqvxT22jBp+aJJhcEtL8+4bqXPeoVFkcjP6hGft87eUdjW82d/3aF6WV526U9sICv9LMvSFOfiMgbGNaNA2p+gIs= Message-ID: <588ce11d0603171912l4a989ad6q6736d31f3af38867@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:12:07 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now In-Reply-To: <0e3301c64a39$443393e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0603171906x2b1cb8f5k3924d96f22d061e5@mail.gmail.com> <0e3301c64a39$443393e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Optimator is a great beer. In San Francisco there is a great restaurant "Suppenkuche" that has it on tap. I'm drinking a Pyramid Snow Cap. Not a bad beer, and as I live only a couple of blocks from the Berkeley brewery, I feel a responsibility to support local business. : ) On 3/17/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Cool. Thanks! I'm working on a pint of Spaten Optimator at the moment..= .my > favorite German import here in the US....it's sort of fun listening to my > own music.... > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Art Simon" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now > > > I'm listening to "Impossible Shades of Blue" (while drinking a beer) > right now. Great Stuff! (um, the music I mean). Thanks for the stream. > > On 3/17/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > This evening I'm streaming songs, in random order and in CD quality, fr= om > > my > > entire 4 CD discography, including the recent LD colloration project, > > Xperimentus.... > > > > Dial in if you want some good background music while you have a beer or > > glass of wine, etc. > > > > http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kris > > > > ************************************************* > > Krispen Hartung > > Improvisational Guitar > > www.krispenhartung.com > > www.boisemusicians.com/experimental > > www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 03:35:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F12943BED5; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012a01c64a3d$00138ea0$6401a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:35:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0127_01C649F9.F1B4A530" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <2_aoAD.A.GEH.HA4GEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:35:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0127_01C649F9.F1B4A530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm listening to "Mind of Clay" with Vincent Miresse sitting in. Nice = piece of work, hypnotic rhythms layered under beautiful guitar and synth = (I think). I'm still impressed with this Shoutcast technology. One can = stream recordings or live performances to a global audience. That way = people can hear a show even if its sold out or they are in another = location. - CW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Streaming my entire discography right now This evening I'm streaming songs, in random order and in CD quality, = from my entire 4 CD discography, including the recent LD colloration = project, Xperimentus.... Dial in if you want some good background music while you have a beer = or glass of wine, etc. http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") Cheers, Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com www.boisemusicians.com/experimental www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0127_01C649F9.F1B4A530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm listening to "Mind of Clay" with = Vincent=20 Miresse sitting in. Nice piece of work, hypnotic rhythms layered under = beautiful=20 guitar and synth (I think).  I'm still impressed with this = Shoutcast=20 technology.  One can stream recordings or live performances to = a=20 global audience.  That way people can hear a show even if its sold = out or=20 they are in another location. - CW
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 = 6:08=20 PM
Subject: Streaming my entire = discography=20 right now

This evening I'm streaming songs, in = random order=20 and in CD quality, from my entire 4 CD discography, including the = recent LD=20 colloration project, Xperimentus....
 
Dial in if you want some good = background music=20 while you have a beer or glass of wine, etc.
 
http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen")
 
Cheers,
 
Kris
 
*************************************************
Krispen=20 Hartung
Improvisational Guitar
www.krispenhartung.com
www.boisemusicians.com/experimental
www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
------=_NextPart_000_0127_01C649F9.F1B4A530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 03:35:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33F1C3BED9; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.62) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 18 Mar 2006 03:37:09 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "-Aaron -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:37:09 -0500 Subject: *First Post* need advice on midi sync looper X-Originating-Ip: 202.87.173.147 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060318033709.46EF51154E0@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi All, you are an active lot arn't you? 90 emails in my first 24 hours! I want a device that will loop audio, quantized, in sync with a midi time c= lock. If the midi clock speeds up (tempo) the looper will speed up too(and rise i= n pitch). I want to be able to record different loops and switch between them. I want to be able to reverse, and then record, and then reverse again. Above ALL ELSE I want it to be rock solid reliable. The EDP seems to do all this bar the pitching thing (what happens to an EDP= if you speed up the Midi??) Don't know alot about the Repeater, is it reliable? What about this new EH 2880? Thanks! --=20 ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 03:50:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C78273BEC5; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e8a01c64a3f$07010420$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <012a01c64a3d$00138ea0$6401a8c0@charles2> Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:49:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0E87_01C64A04.5A2979B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhart) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 502, in=242838, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:50:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0E87_01C64A04.5A2979B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm listening to "Mind of Clay" with Vincent Miresse sitting in. Nice = piece of work, hypnotic rhythms layered under beautiful guitar and synth = (I think). I'm still impressed with this Shoutcast technology. One can = stream recordings or live performances to a global audience. That way = people can hear a show even if its sold out or they are in another = location. - CW Thanks, CW. Yes, that's the guitar synth patch of the Boss VF-1, = triggered by my acoustic guitar, of course. Playing with Vinnie was a = lot of fun. We haven't improvised together for a few months, but we play = jazz together down town every Monday night.....I try to push the limits = as much as possible within the jazz charts.=20 I have put a page together that describes how anyone can take advantage = of this live streaming technology with Shoutcast, for $10 a month.=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com/webcast.htm I'm just waiting for this to spread like wildfire in the looping = community eventually. I'm puzzled by the hold-up. With a laptop and an = internet connection, the system is fairly straight forward. =20 Rainer and I have been experimenting a lot in the last few months, with = various server configurations for streaming our duo performances to the = web. I believe he plans to make a report of his observations, findings, = and recommendations. =20 Ninjam is cool, but until they make it possible to have a private = performer session open to the public, it's not much use to me. The last = time Rainer and I entered Ninjam, within minutes there were 5 other = people playing with us...it was cacophony. I've already made a request = to the Ninjam folks to make it possible for me to purchase there server = time on demand. I like their system...just not the "open jam" = environment. How about this...I'll let someone use my Shoutcast server account and = get you up and running to stream a performance to the web, if you are = interesting. Just let me know. I'll give you my account settings to get = things up and running...why not? I'm not using my entire bandwidth each = month, so I'm willing to share the love. :) Cheers, Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0E87_01C64A04.5A2979B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm listening to "Mind of Clay" with = Vincent=20 Miresse sitting in. Nice piece of work, hypnotic rhythms layered under = beautiful=20 guitar and synth (I think).  I'm still impressed with this = Shoutcast=20 technology.  One can stream recordings or live performances to = a=20 global audience.  That way people can hear a show even if its sold = out or=20 they are in another location. - CW
 
Thanks, CW. Yes, that's the guitar = synth patch of=20 the Boss VF-1, triggered by my acoustic guitar, of course.  Playing = with=20 Vinnie was a lot of fun. We haven't improvised together for a few = months, but we=20 play jazz together down town every Monday night.....I try to push the = limits as=20 much as possible within the jazz charts.
 
I have put a page together = that describes=20 how anyone can take advantage of this live streaming technology with = Shoutcast,=20 for $10 a month.
 
http://www.krispenhart= ung.com/webcast.htm
 
I'm just waiting for this to spread = like wildfire=20 in the looping community eventually. I'm puzzled by = the hold-up. With=20 a laptop and an internet connection, the system is fairly straight=20 forward. 
 
Rainer and I have been experimenting a = lot in the=20 last few months, with various server configurations for streaming our = duo=20 performances to the web. I believe he plans to make a report of his=20 observations, findings, and recommendations. 
 
Ninjam is cool, but until they make it = possible to=20 have a private performer session open to the public, it's not much use = to me.=20 The last time Rainer and I entered Ninjam, within minutes there were 5 = other=20 people playing with us...it was cacophony. I've already made a request = to the=20 Ninjam folks to make it possible for me to purchase there server time on = demand.=20 I like their system...just not the "open jam" environment.
 
How about this...I'll let someone use = my Shoutcast=20 server account and get you up and running to stream a performance to the = web, if=20 you are interesting. Just let me know. I'll give you my account settings = to get=20 things up and running...why not? I'm not using my entire bandwidth each = month,=20 so I'm willing to share the love. :)
 
Cheers,
 
Kris
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0E87_01C64A04.5A2979B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 05:41:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13D9E3BECD; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 05:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013001c64a4e$94596970$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: what a loop says Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:41:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 05:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Luca wrote: "a kiss to Rick" a kiss from one of my favorite musicians on the planet? I'll take that, heterophilic FX shredder that I am. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 07:39:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD70B3BECF; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <006301c64a20$db934af0$6600a8c0@presto> References: <006301c64a20$db934af0$6600a8c0@presto> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2815770B-710A-4D19-AECF-D9EBF2C215B9@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: E-H Multirack Looper Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:39:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:39:37 +0000 (UTC) On 18 mar 2006, at 01.13, hazard factor wrote: > Some big pics and other info about E-H's multitrack looper...kind of a > Repeater-lite? > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2006/Electro-Harmonix-2880.html Interesting! But as with the Looperlative, it's almost impossible to get an understanding of the device when no manual is available. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 07:45:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7023F3BECF; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0603171906x2b1cb8f5k3924d96f22d061e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0603171906x2b1cb8f5k3924d96f22d061e5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <52540C46-1B47-43CE-AFB3-13D9869417F4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:45:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:45:12 +0000 (UTC) On 18 mar 2006, at 04.06, Art Simon wrote: > I'm listening to "Impossible Shades of Blue" (while drinking a beer) > right now. Great Stuff! (um, the music I mean). Thanks for the stream. Yeah - right now that piece is also ringing through my genlecs here =20 in Stockholm. But I'm having a fruit m=FCsli breakfast as I'm =20 listening. Great stuff - both the food and the music. Sounds really =20 good, Kris!!!! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?=20 id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 08:16:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36B8E3BED5; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008801c64a67$cb788d00$61b9e104@hppav> From: "rdwiv" To: References: <006301c64a20$db934af0$6600a8c0@presto> <2815770B-710A-4D19-AECF-D9EBF2C215B9@boysen.se> Subject: Looperlative manual Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:41:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:16:57 +0000 (UTC) > Interesting! But as with the Looperlative, it's almost impossible to > get an understanding of the device when no manual is available. > Rough draft of the manual is here.. http://www.looperlative.com/lp1-user-manual-002.pdf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 08:34:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 895913BED6; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:34:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <16BHgC.A.UHC.OY8GEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:34:22 +0000 (UTC) On 18 mar 2006, at 03.08, Kris Hartung wrote: > http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") Hey, this music is great! I feel so inspired by listening. BRAVO!!!! p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 10:18:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9822D3BED9; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060318021410.01ba3db8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:18:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0603171912l4a989ad6q6736d31f3af38867@mail.gmail.co m> References: <0dad01c64a30$ec4f1850$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0603171906x2b1cb8f5k3924d96f22d061e5@mail.gmail.com> <0e3301c64a39$443393e0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0603171912l4a989ad6q6736d31f3af38867@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Just got back from playing a St Patrick's Day gig. Very high energy. My fingers are sore and my mind is pleasantly empty. Good music to listen to while I decompress. My drink? Guinness draft straight from the bar taps in a generous Imperial pint. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 10:24:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1D933BEDC; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060318022131.01d30c70@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:24:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: what a loop has to say In-Reply-To: <0be301c649ee$c49dae30$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <441AE382.40202@pdq.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060317084223.01bf6430@TheNettles.com> <0bd201c649e8$fc217810$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0501408C-9897-49DF-815E-2D5BDBF57B8B@boysen.se> <0be301c649ee$c49dae30$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:24:22 +0000 (UTC) At 10:15 AM 3/17/2006, you wrote: >Can a musician hide behind extremely developed playing abilities? Dizzy Gillespie >And what does it take for a listener to see through the hoax? Miles Davis >What's the phrase that someone in the music industry coined in >regard to players that are really technical, but not very creative or artistic? There are two different words in German for musical technique and musicality. What are those words again? I forget. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 12:42:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 811993BED5; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060318022131.01d30c70@TheNettles.com> References: <441AE382.40202@pdq.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060317084223.01bf6430@TheNettles.com> <0bd201c649e8$fc217810$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0501408C-9897-49DF-815E-2D5BDBF57B8B@boysen.se> <0be301c649ee$c49dae30$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060318022131.01d30c70@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <373E6BD2-C0C0-441E-BAF2-CDC3FC859136@bluemail.ch> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Z=FCrcher?= Subject: musical technique and musicality (german) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:42:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:42:41 +0000 (UTC) > > There are two different words in German for musical technique and > musicality. What are those words again? I forget. > > Cheers, > Kevin musikantisch (for the first mentionned) musikalisch (for the second one) that what you meant? cheers phil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 14:08:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 849D83BEE0; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,106,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="214319638:sNHT30446448" Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:08:29 -0500 From: Subject: Re: what a loop has to say To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.9-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <739d3b4a.9af7e688.81ba600@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:08:30 +0000 (UTC) What a loop (or a guitar, or an effect, or a style of music, or instrumental technique, or...) has to say is what YOU are and what YOU have to say. Everything else is a tool that you are using to outwardly create that expression. Everything. The only usefulness of valuing skill in the use of one tool over skill in another lies in the determination of what skills are necessary to play the music you want to play. and I believe (perhaps naively) that the audience can always see through a hoax. in & out, Tom www.freeimprovisation.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 14:18:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CEE43BEDE; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:19:09 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hiding behind technology (was: what a loop has to say) In-Reply-To: <000601c64a01$57b1f160$0601a8c0@succubus> Message-ID: References: <000601c64a01$57b1f160$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:18:44 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > ok, here's another kind of position in this debate: > > The instrument I play is "effects". I sometimes hide these effects behind > playing on something non-effect, like a guitar or keyboard. In a current project I'm working on, that's exactly what I'm doing: I'm working with a tuba player, whose mic'd tuba feeds into my effects chain of lots of pedals and 3-5 looper pedals. I'm live looping, effecting, passing the loop to another of the loopers, layering, and playing his variably-processed loops back at him, while he's welcome to play more live over my looping back at him. I'm not using at present, any sound-making devices myself, I'm playing with his sounds as they sound like something I can work with. It's fun. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 17:09:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 864CB3BEDC; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060318022131.01d30c70@TheNettles.com> References: <441AE382.40202@pdq.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060317084223.01bf6430@TheNettles.com> <0bd201c649e8$fc217810$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0501408C-9897-49DF-815E-2D5BDBF57B8B@boysen.se> <0be301c649ee$c49dae30$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060318022131.01d30c70@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:09:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:09:12 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:24 AM, Kevin wrote: > At 10:15 AM 3/17/2006, you wrote: >> Can a musician hide behind extremely developed playing abilities? > > Dizzy Gillespie > >> And what does it take for a listener to see through the hoax? > > Miles Davis Is this a joke.....? > > There are two different words in German for musical technique and=20 > musicality. What are those words again? I forget. Why? Do they mean something different than musical technique and=20 musicality in English.......? curiously yours, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 17:25:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C5B33BED6; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:27:31 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: hiding behind technology (was: what a loop has to say) In-reply-to: <000601c64a01$57b1f160$0601a8c0@succubus> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000a01c64ab1$3d280ea0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:25:41 +0000 (UTC) What a great and subtle discussion. I always experience this dichotomy strongly. I usually feel (rightly or wrongly) that in a live performance, I have to prove I can really play guitar early in the show, and then everyone can relax and we can have a good time. I'm losing this feeling more and more, though (probably because it's harder and harder to prove...) I think the "rules" are different for live and recorded music. I think that the live performance experience imposes a requirement that most of us feel to somehow impress the audience, to make them feel like not just anyone could be sitting up there in front of a rack of gear and making these great sounds. I don't think this is a bad thing. It's just not easy with Tech. Recordings don't have this "virtuosity" requirement (at least not always), since how they're made is usually obscure. Live, if the technology appears to be too much like magic, then the effect can be numbing. That's one reason that I like to play in ensembles with less-magical technology, and specifically to use the high tech as one element among many in a show. I also think that the creative energy that you invest in customizing the tech ahead of time shows in the results that you get. It's not my doctrine or judgement, but my own experience that if I take a preset in a synth sound or effect and tweak it, add some modulation behavior, or whatever, that then the sound becomes "mine". I play it, it has a personality, it doesn't feel like a magic arpeggiator wand. The time spent mastering a device's advanced functions makes it more of an instrument and less of a trick. Still, there's definitely a preference in the ears of many people, often including myself, for acoustic sounds. I try to always have lots of them. I don't think the audio audience in general is that open-minded, but maybe they're right - maybe the true affinity of the human soul in music is for musical forms and sounds that we've evolved from our tribal and genetic roots. On the other hand, all this stuff is lying around begging to be used. How can you not play with it? How nuts would that be? And how can you not push the envelope on it once you have it? When I was growing up, I was told that exploration was the destiny of the species. Or maybe it was just too much Star Trek. Sorry for the length. Warren Sirota emo-Technician From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 18:18:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 106923BECD; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CALHcG0SHaiw Message-ID: <008401c64ab8$4d26bca0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <155.60f44e0c.314c4ab3@aol.com> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:18:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0611-2, 17/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:18:12 +0000 (UTC) >> For some reason, I've never post-effected loops. I like to keep the >> looping >> pure (what goes in, comes out). >> > > why stuart?.....great thread btw!.....mic > I don't have a clear answer to be quite honest! I suppose you can just say that it feels wrong for what I do... a gut feeling. I tried it a few times when I had the Repeater, but it just didn't do anything for me... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 18:37:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E5CE3BED2; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1f3.1d32e916.314dad6c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:37:32 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20what=20a=20loop=20says:=A0=20REQUEST?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f3.1d32e916.314dad6c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:37:37 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1f3.1d32e916.314dad6c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/17/06 4:36:25 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > PLEASE STOP COPYING ENTIRE PREVIOUS > POSTS > well gee.....i sure hope i can remember what i read only a few moments ago.....you're askin alot there rickeeee!!!!!.....many old folk on this list.....:).....i totally agree with you, i love when you get a one word reply to a "copied" 5 paragraph post.....BLOWS MY MIND, what's left of it.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_1f3.1d32e916.314dad6c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 --part1_1f3.1d32e916.314dad6c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 18:43:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 451D93BED3; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060318101649.01b9dcf8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:43:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: what a loop has to say In-Reply-To: <739d3b4a.9af7e688.81ba600@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> References: <739d3b4a.9af7e688.81ba600@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:43:08 +0000 (UTC) In German (thanks, Phil!): Musikantisch means musical technique. Musikalisch means musicality Both are continuums and both vary in single person from time to time and from place to place but I'm going to simplify. A person can have great musikantisch (technique) but lousy musikalisch (musicality). Likewise a person can have great musicality and lousy technique. If a person has great musicality, I don't really care about their technique as long as they can express their musicality. You could look on several excellent classical composers as mediocre piano players who need a whole orchestra to make their music sound good. Finger and breath control, effects, sequencers, orchestras, that's all part of technique. Miles Davis had mediocre technique but his musicality?...amazing. If a person has great technique, someone with great musicality can use them to realize their vision. I've played with folks who have wonderful technique but mediocre musicality. What the wonderful technique gives these folks in performance is the ability to realize and elaborate on musical ideas presented by others who have more musicality. If a person has mediocre musicality and technique I really don't have any time for them. Sorry, life is short. If a person has great musicality and technique then they are among the truly blessed and it's a pleasure to listen to them. Kris is one of those folks. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 18:55:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB14B3BEDF; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?RE:_what_a_loop_says:__REQUEST?= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:55:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C64A7A.69A1BA30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1f3.1d32e916.314dad6c@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:55:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C64A7A.69A1BA30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ditto ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C64A7A.69A1BA30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C64A7A.69A1BA30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 20:24:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5FEC3BED8; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000301c64ac9$ec6742b0$87012e52@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <005e01c6494c$f9d38950$bf002e52@customer3530f5> Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Park Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:24:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:24:04 +0000 (UTC) As suggested, I've just given my (new) Echo Park a good A/B test against my (old) DL4 - testing for noise and quality differences. In terms of quality - I mainly use it on the flute and sometimes wind synth sounds, I have found the quality completely comparable with the DL4 (although I've only had it a week though). In terms of noise though, far from the EP being noisier, the DL4 was slightly noisier in terms of S/N (hiss/etc. but the DL4 also had an element of 50HZ in the output which the EP didn't. My test was running both pedals from power supplies and the mixer channel gain up full. So, for me, the Echo Park clearly isn't a replacement in any way for the DL4, but as another good versitile delay pedal I'm pleased with it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" To: Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Park > At 10:57 PM +0000 3/16/06, Ian Popperwell wrote: >> >>I've been off the list for a while and am glad to be back. I've just >>bought the Line6 Echo Park, the new unprogrammable version of the DL4 >>without a looper - oh, that makes it sound rubbish doesn't it... It's a >>single stomp box type delay pedal with pretty much the same delay models >>in it as the DL4 - but with some useful shortcuts to make the >>non-programmability more pallatable. I'm using it at gigs alongside my DL4 >>and really like it (compact + a great sound) - thought it worth bringing >>to the >>attention of the list. > > Ian, > > I believe the Echo Park actually came up as a discussion item very soon > after its initial release. At that time the early adopters complained > about a high S/N ratio and poorer fidelity than on the DL4 or Echo Pro, so > many people just went on about their normal lives afterward. > > However, there doesn't ever seem to be a "final word" on gear. Tell us, > have you noticed any noise issues with your unit? In terms of sound > quality and background hiss, how does it stack up on a head-to-head > against your DL4? > > --m. > > -- > _______ > "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play > I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 21:08:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3451E3BED6; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060318124733.01d42d68@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:08:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Best Cheap Guitar Synth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm wondering which guitar synth is the best for $200 or less. Pre-owned price is fine, most of my gear has originally been owned by someone else. Discontinued products are often ideal for my purposes. Things I'd like: - Cheap - Prefer 1/4" input over hexaphonic input. More flexible. If it only has MIDI input then it's useless to me. - No latency. - Easy to use. - I prefer pedal switches to knobs and knobs to patches. - (If it's got patches then good presets I tweak once and forget about.) - It doesn't need effects. I can apply effects post-synth. In fact, I prefer it. - Did I mention cheap? I realize that this is a tall order so I might not get all the features above but a good match of most of them would be great. Thanks! Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 22:13:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D5D93BECA; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: OT: Digitech RP300 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:13:27 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060318124733.01d42d68@TheNettles.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi all! I've got a Digitech RP300 that I've used twice for gigs and that's it. I've bought single pedals to replace it. $150 or best offer. Anyone interested? Ask me for pics if you want them. I'll put it up on Ebay if no one form here wants it. ~peace~ Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 18 22:16:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F36A3BECD; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:16:43 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.32.143 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060318221639.1B03E33D5C1@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Electro-Harmonix Micro Synth. Otherwise it's a used Roland GR of some sort and you do need a Hex pickup. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Best Cheap Guitar Synth Date: 18/03/06 21:08 Hi, I'm wondering which guitar synth is the best for $200 or less. Pre-owned price is fine, most of my gear has originally been owned by someone else. Discontinued products are often ideal for my purposes. Things I'd like: - Cheap - Prefer 1/4" input over hexaphonic input. More flexible. If it only has MIDI input then it's useless to me. - No latency. - Easy to use. - I prefer pedal switches to knobs and knobs to patches. - (If it's got patches then good presets I tweak once and forget about.) - It doesn't need effects. I can apply effects post-synth. In fact, I prefer it. - Did I mention cheap? I realize that this is a tall order so I might not get all the features above but a good match of most of them would be great. Thanks! Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 03:22:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFECE3BECF; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 03:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Tvx9qmw8hlsCC8ebx27BRrlTtp603W/Tm4rwv71wwrCUHDwYnY93xAsfHH0AFsXNvR97bsSMJhdFxa+azdPizYXSG9R6rtJzO0CzYuRWNfw068f6aw8Krb1U8Y5F6beaeSGKRkdL+4w9lQmzdgJE6UgihPEczrC7Ij0RuF28ZBc= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:22:17 -0500 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_R=E9p_:_Jack-OSX_and_SooperLooper?= In-Reply-To: <399407fe43709213b4b9ff7122f4f6eb@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060317034755.BF8453BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> <399407fe43709213b4b9ff7122f4f6eb@free.fr> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 03:22:18 +0000 (UTC) On 3/17/06, daviD wrote: > I re-opened Jack's preferences to check the samplerate and noticed > that, among the several options that are only available when the server > is not running, one was called "interface". I stopped the server, > replugged the UA20 and noticed that I could force Jack to notice it by > selecting the UA20 instead of internal audio here. I thought I had > checked everything yesterday, I was wrong. Yes, JACK can only use one interface at a time (the one chosen from the preferences before startup). You have to create an aggregate audio device (needs tiger) and choose that if you want to attempt using more than one hardware interface simultaneously. And no, SooperLooper has no Stop. Use Mute if you don't want to hear the loop, time keeps on rolling. Unmute, Trigger or One-shot will get you "playing" again. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 03:43:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 165B63BED0; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 03:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,107,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="182410208:sNHT24857850" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:26:31 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Invitation and Video Performance: Two Nights in Framingham April 1,2 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 03:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing a Video Performance with Immersions on April 2, and my wife and I will be having a party (potluck dinner and DVD screening) on April 1. Immersions: The Immersions event will occur on Sunday April 2, at 8 PM at the Amazing Things Arts Center, 44 Nicholas Road, Framingham MA. Phone 508-405-ARTS. This performance will feature the core group, Dean Stiglitz on flute that doesn't like one, Ramona Herboldsheimer (exquisite hammered dulcimer textures), and myself, on video that sure as %^&* doesn't look like TV. We will be performing improvisations in which the music and video interact and build off each other. Admission is $8 (advance) , or $10 (door). Doctor T had been performing improvised projections to music since 1974, His flowing visual improvisations blend realism and abstraction. He mixes DVDs Containing original video and animations culled from 35 years of image-making, using multiple video mixers controlled with a Midi percussion controller. Dean Stiglitz is a flautist, composer, flute-maker , inventor, and synthesist. He improvises on a hybrid flute-synthesizer system that he has created using an embedded microphone and a custom patched modular synthesizer. Ramona Herboldsheimer is a delightfully intuitive performer on amplified hammered dulcimer. Dean and Ramona are long standing members of The Lothars. Party: My wife Marya and I will be reviving a family tradition and celebrating All Fool's Day with a potluck 'Fool's Feast' (No Fooling-:) The dining festivities will start at 6PM. Later in the evening, I'll be showing two DVD's culled from my live performances during 2005, "The Space Broom Experiment" and "Immersions 2005". I just might have finished the DVD's by this time, in which case this will be a DVD release party as well. Come celebrate your inner fool! RSVP for directions. -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 09:38:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D9EB3BECF; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=G/RCN8grpdFbqLA5+xq3sETN3riGj4Vbr+GFrWMaMIBsmVXaPcyfBfhBvFzM8TA3xCsmaLnP98iGfu2EUAnYGgYnbXNmETlrRZKG/ituH2S7AQfEP91v1U9Pad7VfYJxzDW763g5VAUqank46WTgAI8g/XLX3K6pzJLo1AJwdkg= ; Message-ID: <20060319093801.60928.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 01:38:01 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Streaming my entire discography right now To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060318021410.01ba3db8@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:38:03 +0000 (UTC) > music to listen to while I decompress. My drink? > Guinness draft > straight from the bar taps in a generous Imperial > pint. oh yes best beer on earth man!!wait...Czech beer oh la la,whats up with the beers topic i thought loopers were more green smokers;-) > > Cheers, > Kevin > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 10:07:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76EE63BED0; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yLTUWlV/ykimoxOFrGuXJThVjn65zV/gvxvMkiDTnMo8Dm7j6AXus38rzpT28YmDLgIA5m0k/NxYscPBsxkFA0tU8O2nyQDVvv2kITqtkU/skY05U+Te3FwQWK3Vt/BCH7J9XdGCecjy6o2qW2ZDq1xf/xh7m3tUH/nG/mSeGPM= ; Message-ID: <20060319100707.45457.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 02:07:07 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Martin C. Herberg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0be301c649ee$c49dae30$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:07:08 +0000 (UTC) I saw Martin C. Herberg last night very impressive show!he did beautiful sounscapes using old delay units and his new axon chip synth but what impressed me the most was his mind blowing version of paint it black with no effects not even reverb in a drop D tuning, playing a drone alternating the E and D strings with his thumb in 3/4 and putting a comb between his spanish guitar strings while playing the melody with a flying flamenco tremolo technique,then he kept changing keys,counterpointing keeping the melody going applying strange harmonies and detuning all the strings while playing to complete chaos and dissonance,just awesome! i saw him 8 years ago doing loops back then but now he seems obssesed with echos instead,very inspiring! Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 10:07:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E81763BED8; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DVxFP2CMXl7FqdVa5Hqix0Pi8bWhehIJowoDsrKtrgbljVrXws5GGELYUvbjxHv3uwMEEBjjta1KvTf5580SwNiZBm4Q7+glQUGNozv5Q7LbVp1XPCFt/lv+KLMYfAYqyA5yDcedaqJCwPl8G/U3IADgRoKSV2x5VCNOSu4eygE= ; Message-ID: <20060319100706.92593.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 02:07:06 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Martin C. Herberg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0be301c649ee$c49dae30$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:07:08 +0000 (UTC) I saw Martin C. Herberg last night very impressive show!he did beautiful sounscapes using old delay units and his new axon chip synth but what impressed me the most was his mind blowing version of paint it black with no effects not even reverb in a drop D tuning, playing a drone alternating the E and D strings with his thumb in 3/4 and putting a comb between his spanish guitar strings while playing the melody with a flying flamenco tremolo technique,then he kept changing keys,counterpointing keeping the melody going applying strange harmonies and detuning all the strings while playing to complete chaos and dissonance,just awesome! i saw him 8 years ago doing loops back then but now he seems obssesed with echos instead,very inspiring! Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 10:07:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C1073BEE2; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OE2ACDLgYI4pDG+78RSdn7/iqmgVgkSzX9dghDbKrPiZxlROdu5o0QJRjFWV0IlLOtTRWO56GuNkaDk9NhRvlmGqdXhogoKV23hi0PWuOSseL6XAOGwQJLU7taWVglYmeziDh4VMh3xePjkrnzKwngfZZfCsCloVb7SJ4e/fMfc= ; Message-ID: <20060319100653.24738.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 02:06:52 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Martin C. Herberg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0be301c649ee$c49dae30$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3nErMB.A.AbD.Z1SHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:07:21 +0000 (UTC) I saw Martin C. Herberg last night very impressive show!he did beautiful sounscapes using old delay units and his new axon chip synth but what impressed me the most was his mind blowing version of paint it black with no effects not even reverb in a drop D tuning, playing a drone alternating the E and D strings with his thumb in 3/4 and putting a comb between his spanish guitar strings while playing the melody with a flying flamenco tremolo technique,then he kept changing keys,counterpointing keeping the melody going applying strange harmonies and detuning all the strings while playing to complete chaos and dissonance,just awesome! i saw him 8 years ago doing loops back then but now he seems obssesed with echos instead,very inspiring! Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 11:14:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 523573BECC; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: musical technique and musicality (german) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:14:01 +0100 Message-ID: <008c01c64b46$39fddc10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <373E6BD2-C0C0-441E-BAF2-CDC3FC859136@bluemail.ch> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZLMmXMqbmz0cTRTu6SiKmnPlfhJQAE63Iw Resent-Message-ID: <3DqyND.A.4jC.-zTHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:14:06 +0000 (UTC) > > There are two different words in German for musical technique and musicality. What are those words again? > musikantisch (for the first mentionned) > musikalisch (for the second one) are you sure "musikantisch" is German, and not Swiss? I've never heard that word before :-) Michael (German) www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 11:19:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2E4C3BECC; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: more streams Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:19:53 +0100 Message-ID: <008d01c64b47$0bf080b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060318184308.C9A733BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZKu83gbk+WOGAaQO20GKlcdINacAAinWag Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:19:55 +0000 (UTC) thanks for your streams Kris ... for those who asked for more streaming inspiration - go to the projects page on www.ct-collective.com, choose one of CT's 21 projects, and click 'stream this album'. There are many loopers in the CT Collective, so you're gonna feel at home :-) and there is lots of stuff waiting to be heard (and to be commented on) ... currently, 397 mindblowing tracks from 86 musicians ... -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 13:34:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 849BF3BEC1; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wqTkZAW+dKNk48lR3NAecLGwGEkIK8KNZpfR6UCwcjIJ6VCEAhW+thkT+vy9oq57rv3z4cbDTp7UbydWbBs6HOeHCb0r94FgThKE8klN8Ae1RJqqc+1SawGuPEebCOgr8MHdtX5KnHqZpciy1Ohub5fqhyzhedtIiaL7wp5cZZ0= ; Message-ID: <20060319133438.9506.qmail@web50005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 05:34:38 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Maravel Subject: What a loop has to say... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:34:39 +0000 (UTC) There are several points that I surprisingly have not seen brought up as to the inherent value of looping. I can expand my sonic palette, so to speak while in the process. My expression is no longer limited by the availability of other musicians. Also, and for me the most important aspect, is the ability to place myself in an environment where I'm "working without a net"- I sold all the gear I had that had an "undo" or "erase" function to achieve this. Once your in your in. No pussyfooting. I've played keyboards for over 30 years starting with piano. The first stage is the "naive" phase where you're getting your feet wet and there is a sense of wonder in playing even (and because of) tho you have no knowledge as to theory + technique. Simple things sound great. 2nd stage we try to gain control, technique and understanding of the music process. We want to be respected as "musicians" and learn theory to make "sense" of what we're doing. A lot of the fun is replaced with a sense of small strides + accomplishments laboriously exercising muscles repetitiously. At this point I was a victim of my own cliches. 3rd stage is the beauty. Technique becomes second nature. All the knowledge + tools we've developed fade to a place deep within us and we approach playing music more like we did in the 1st phase where it was actually exciting. No mental exercises. No being clever. No illusion of control. And yet, we've expanded our vocabularies so that we're capable of much more but not bound by it. Years ago I became bored with everything I played. I tried many ways to "jump start" my creative process. I traded in my extensive midi keyboard gear and opted to go back to pure piano ala Keith Jarrett (not as good but who is?)-That was great for 10 minutes 'till I had the old nagging feeling that there was still something missing. Sold the piano gear and tried to play the stick with a midi hookup. This was an attempt to recapture the naive 1st stage and recreate my early learning process. Got frustrated after 8 months and gained a new appreciation for my keyboard proficiency. For me, music is discovery. It's exploration. I create nothing but am afforded the privilege of being a portal where the music can pass through. The music is simply better than I'll ever be. Looping is about fear and trust if I'm doing it right + keeping myself (ego) out of it. There are no mistakes. I currently use a Boomerang+ and a Lexicon Vortex. Sound sources are a Wavestation SR and a Korg N1r. All this is triggered by a Roland AX-1 controller (strap-on) with a ribbon. The ribbon is essential for it allows me to achieve a more intimate contact with the notes for vibrato, pitch bend, hammer-ons, whatever. I always envied the string players ability to "touch" the sound source. A trade-off I suppose, for most guitarists I know try hard to "change" their sounds which comes easier to keyboardists. I've gotten off track. Appropriate. Thanks for letting me share. (:> We loop because we can- Lee Maravel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 13:52:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1C783BECC; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:52:26 +0000 Message-Id: <031920061352.7569.441D621A0000D84400001D912207300033CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Agree! The EH Micro Synthesizer is a great piece of kit. Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Fluke" > Electro-Harmonix Micro Synth. > > Otherwise it's a used Roland GR of some sort and you do need a Hex pickup. > > Nik > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Subject: Best Cheap Guitar Synth > Date: 18/03/06 21:08 > > > Hi, > > I'm wondering which guitar synth is the best for $200 or > less. Pre-owned price is fine, most of my gear has originally been > owned by someone else. Discontinued products are often ideal for my > purposes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 13:58:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 114AA3BED0; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:58:30 +0000 Message-Id: <031920061358.13121.441D6386000BB526000033412207300033CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:58:33 +0000 (UTC) "If it sounds good, it is good." - Duke Ellington -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > > What a loop (or a guitar, or an effect, or a style of music, or > instrumental technique, or...) has to say is what YOU are and what YOU > have to say. > > Everything else is a tool that you are using to outwardly create that > expression. Everything. > > The only usefulness of valuing skill in the use of one tool over skill > in another lies in the determination of what skills are necessary to > play the music you want to play. > > and I believe (perhaps naively) that the audience can always see > through a hoax. > > in & out, > Tom > www.freeimprovisation.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 14:31:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B32523BECC; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YIGBMKS1TBpy6qz8idDIrEAJE5fBIF6rz8RKI47M1DAONZe6VjYbRF253Myuo7XUAK+KXuEzrD0nvNPYpRYCcNovgPVFpgX94YNW4WVJRi+2AJk9kDIl3C3b78WkOEpKfrnnUZjC6rvBF6ufpOaJ+FtAI7pUbWJ5rkVaV/AFrHo= Message-ID: <8390c9ac0603190631h1c986988u255c5df50c1018ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:31:24 +0800 From: Alwyn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <031920061352.7569.441D621A0000D84400001D912207300033CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <031920061352.7569.441D621A0000D84400001D912207300033CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <1Psx3C.A.eKC._sWHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:31:27 +0000 (UTC) > > I'm wondering which guitar synth is the best for $200 or > > less. Pre-owned price is fine, most of my gear has originally been > > owned by someone else. Discontinued products are often ideal for my > > purposes. > Agree! The EH Micro Synthesizer is a great piece of kit. What about the akai Deep impact bass synth pedal? http://www.jeffnet.org/~addicott/gear/akai.html or, the boss SYB pedals? Or the current Digitech bass synth filter pedal? Cheers, Alwyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 16:39:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CB563BEB9; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10df01c64b73$9d5b5ad0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <008d01c64b47$0bf080b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: more streams Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:38:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 506, in=245777, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Something just occured to me, Michael. It would be interesting to create a "master" LD .m3u file. It would be one monster file that folks can submit their streams to. For instance, I would provide the text inside the m3u file below for Y2K5, plus my own personal items, you could add the CT Collective items, etc. I just think this would be an awesome tool and inventory showcase of all the looping we do out there. This could potentially contain hundreds and hundreds of songs and folks could scroll through. http://www.boisemusicians.com/y2k5.m3u I'm willing to host and maintain the file, if Kim is willing to link to it on the LD site. Basically, submissions to the file would need to look like this: #EXTINF: [Song Title - Artist Name - CD or Event] [Some URL to a direct mp3 file] For example: #EXTINF: Groovy Space Faring Machine - Krispen Hartung - Internet Performance http://www.krispenhartung.com/groovy.mp3 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:19 AM Subject: more streams > thanks for your streams Kris ... > > for those who asked for more streaming inspiration - go to the projects > page > on www.ct-collective.com, choose one of CT's 21 projects, and click > 'stream > this album'. There are many loopers in the CT Collective, so you're gonna > feel at home :-) and there is lots of stuff waiting to be heard (and to > be > commented on) ... currently, 397 mindblowing tracks from 86 musicians ... > > -Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 17:13:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1A403BECC; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "jon attwood" To: Subject: Help! not enough hands.... Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:13:30 -0000 Organization: yellow6 Message-ID: <000a01c64b78$73625260$a33d0852@johnathakdlqtw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C64B78.73625260" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:13:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C64B78.73625260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. this is my first post here, tho i've been using loops for many years... I am planning some live dates this year and would like to make my live setup a little more robust so have a question. I currently use a laptop running NI Battery which is loaded with loops. These are triggered externally using an ancient Boss DR-5 Dr.Rhythm using notes in patterns to MIDI trigger loops. Seems a strange setup maybe, but this is done as the DR-5 has footswitch control to move from one pattern to the next. This means that i can set the tempo on it and, rather than be stuck with a fixed 'backing track', can shift from one section / batch of loops to the next when it feels right by hitting the pattern advance via the footswitch. So, the question... do any of you know of another way i could do this, removing the DR-5 from the equation. Basically, some software which can run the loops (either singly or overlayed) and be shifted from one loop to the next with some sort of foot controller. (i also will be playing guitar and using RC-20 and DL-4 on top so have my hands full!) many thanks in advance for your help jon. - y e l l o w 6 - www.yellow6.com - make mine music - www.makeminemusic.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C64B78.73625260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi.
 
this = is my first=20 post here, tho i've been using loops for many = years...
 
I am = planning some=20 live dates this year and would like to make my live setup a little more = robust=20 so have a question.
 
I = currently use a=20 laptop running NI Battery which is loaded with loops.  These are = triggered=20 externally using an ancient Boss DR-5 Dr.Rhythm using notes in patterns = to MIDI=20 trigger loops.  Seems a strange setup maybe, but this is done as = the DR-5=20 has footswitch control to move from one pattern to the next.  This = means=20 that i can set the tempo on it and, rather than be stuck with a fixed = 'backing=20 track', can shift from one section / batch of loops to the next when it = feels=20 right by hitting the pattern advance via the = footswitch.
 
So, = the question...=20 do any of you know of another way i could do this, removing the DR-5 = from the=20 equation.  Basically, some software which can run the loops (either = singly=20 or overlayed) and be shifted from one loop to the next with some sort of = foot=20 controller. (i also will be playing guitar and using RC-20 and DL-4 on = top so=20 have my hands full!)
 
many = thanks in=20 advance for your help
 
jon.
 
     =  - y e l l o w 6=20 -
      = www.yellow6.com
 
 - make = mine=20 music -
www.makeminemusic.co.uk
 
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C64B78.73625260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 17:25:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78BF33BEB9; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:25:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 506, in=255931, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:25:46 +0000 (UTC) I'm interested in finding out what audio interfaces all you notebook computer users are using in place of (bi-passing) the internal soundcard? USB? Firewire? Can you share what you are using? I'm interesting in something that is compact but also high quality. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 17:27:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F4433BECD; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Help! not enough hands.... Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:27:37 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003401c64b7a$6afe1e90$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZLeHD2wzuTySgUTUGxIL3xSqJjvwAAQ/PAAAA3bIA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:27:47 +0000 (UTC) To try do do a recommendation which fits, I'll first try to summarize = how I understand your setup works. Battery holds prerecorded loops ("sample loop") in a way that if you = send it e.g. C3, it will play groove #1 once, if you send C#3, it will play = groove #2 once etc. The DR5 has different MIDI patterns set up which send one MIDI note = (e.g. C3) periodically, so that whenn the respective pattern is playing, the = loop plays continuously. And you switch between different MIDI patterns (e.g. = to the one playing C#3 over and over) with a footswitch. Ok, my suggestion would be to remove both the DR5 and Battery from the equation, use Ableton Live! and a MIDI foot controller (like a Behringer FCB1010 or digitech PCM-10). You import your loops into Live! as clips = and then use commands from the foot controller (like CC or note commands) to trigger the clips or move between clips. Rainer ________________________________ Von: jon attwood [mailto:jon@yellow6.com]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. M=E4rz 2006 18:14 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Help! not enough hands.... =09 =09 Hi. =20 this is my first post here, tho i've been using loops for many years... =20 I am planning some live dates this year and would like to make my live setup a little more robust so have a question. =20 I currently use a laptop running NI Battery which is loaded with loops. These are triggered externally using an ancient Boss DR-5 = Dr.Rhythm using notes in patterns to MIDI trigger loops. Seems a strange setup = maybe, but this is done as the DR-5 has footswitch control to move from one = pattern to the next. This means that i can set the tempo on it and, rather than = be stuck with a fixed 'backing track', can shift from one section / batch = of loops to the next when it feels right by hitting the pattern advance via = the footswitch. =20 So, the question... do any of you know of another way i could do this, removing the DR-5 from the equation. Basically, some software = which can run the loops (either singly or overlayed) and be shifted from one = loop to the next with some sort of foot controller. (i also will be playing guitar and using RC-20 and DL-4 on top so have my hands full!) =20 many thanks in advance for your help =20 jon. =20 - y e l l o w 6 - www.yellow6.com =20 =20 - make mine music - www.makeminemusic.co.uk =20 =09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 17:30:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 361EE3BECD; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:30:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZLeilwhNwticnUTg+rs7/GWovMpgAADVwg In-Reply-To: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20060319173026.609DB3BEB2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Definitely firewire (or usb2). I have a Motu 828 MK2. I was going to go for a Motu Traveller but then I thought, is it really worth the hassle of unplugging all those cables, take out the sound card from the rack and bring it to a gig or to travel. Plus the Motu Traveler has connections (like midi I/O) on the side of the box, which makes it useless when racked. For travelling, I got a Behringer FCA202. I haven't tried it yet but it looks great. Firewire at 100 bucks is a great deal. -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: 19 March 2006 17:26 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Audio Interface for Notebook Users I'm interested in finding out what audio interfaces all you notebook computer users are using in place of (bi-passing) the internal soundcard? USB? Firewire? Can you share what you are using? I'm interesting in something that is compact but also high quality. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 17:36:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31A6A3BEC1; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441D9695.1060205@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:36:21 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <98oCZC.A.PED.TaZHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:36:20 +0000 (UTC) PCMCIA card, Echo Indigo for me. Very low latency, very high quality audio, and very compact. Also reasonably priced! Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm interested in finding out what audio interfaces all you notebook > computer users are using in place of (bi-passing) the internal > soundcard? USB? Firewire? Can you share what you are using? I'm > interesting in something that is compact but also high quality. > > Kris > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 17:44:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FA873BEC1; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:43:56 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003501c64b7c$b78f0830$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZLeijYcwTZV6ZsRV2uuowB7X+EsQAAG/IQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Generally, there is a huge choice available today, but defining some requirement spec will narrow down the choices to one or two. Important choices (from the top of my head and not prioritized and not complete) might be: 1. Interface: There's USB/USB2, Firewire and RME's proprietary = interface. If you don't have a RME Cardbus PCMCIA card, this might throw this out for = cost reasons. USB implementations on the Mac suck, so if you're a Mac user, forget those. 2. Power: do you need to power your interface via the laptop? If you're = a x86 user (which I believe you are), this would reduce the choice to USB. 3. number of micpres necessary 4. symmetric outs necessary 5. kind of digital I/O (if any) - there are only a few devices which = offer both coaxial and optical S/PDIF 6. numer of MIDI ports. More than one pair also greatly reduces the = number of choices. 7. latency requirements: I don't know of anything faster than RME's = stuff. 8. audio quality requirements 9. type of connectors 10. size/package: the smallest thing I've seen was the (smaller) Edirol firewire interface 11. etcetc... I had been dealing with this issues to some detail, so if you come back = with a clearer spec, I might give some suggestions. Currently I have as = external audio interfaces: 1. Terratec Phase26 USB. Consumer-style (connectors, levels). Has both = coax and optical digital ports. Huge latency, unstable ASIO drivers 2. Presonus Firebox. quite small a package, got two micpre/Hi-Z inputs = with phantom and two independent line ins, coax digital, symmetrical outs (6) = and latency is also ok. Very basic internal software mixer. 3. RME digiface via Cardbus PCMCIA. You'll need an AD-DA-converter for = this one, and I use it in combination with my Behringer ADA8000s. Super-low latency. Powerful internal mixer. two MIDI pairs. total of 26 channels = I/O. Wordclock sync. If you can live without micpres, the Multiface might be = a choice for you. Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. M=E4rz 2006 18:26 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Audio Interface for Notebook Users >=20 > I'm interested in finding out what audio interfaces all you=20 > notebook computer users are using in place of (bi-passing)=20 > the internal soundcard?=20 > USB? Firewire? Can you share what you are using? I'm=20 > interesting in something that is compact but also high quality. >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 17:54:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E3E23BECF; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:54:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZLe6K9bhlqISv5QnWS4uSgSgXlJAAAkTQg In-Reply-To: <441D9695.1060205@pdq.net> Message-Id: <20060319175418.B5AE13BEB2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Yes. Indigo are great for mobile users since firewire soundcards on pcs can't be powered by pcmcia. The only truely mobiles cards for pc laptops are the Motu Traveler and the Indigo pcmcia cards. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: 19 March 2006 17:36 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users PCMCIA card, Echo Indigo for me. Very low latency, very high quality audio, and very compact. Also reasonably priced! Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm interested in finding out what audio interfaces all you notebook > computer users are using in place of (bi-passing) the internal > soundcard? USB? Firewire? Can you share what you are using? I'm > interesting in something that is compact but also high quality. > > Kris > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 17:59:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01D033BEC7; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <852c341dce7196271792f4b091961dac@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:58:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:59:14 +0000 (UTC) I would recommend the M-Audio stuff for portability. I currently use=20 the firewire 1814, and have used the 410 as well. However, I am quite=20 tempted by the MOTU Ultralight....although there is no lightpipe. All=20 of those are very compact, durable, great for gigging.. The quality of=20= the M-Audio pres are ok, but they certainly won't compare to the high=20 price stuff, of course. Always a costs-benefit thing.....always a=20 trade-off one way or the other. It also seems that the firewire will=20 also give you more ins/outs and higher resolution so you could use the=20= interface for other things besides gigging, like mobile recording. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 19, 2006, at 9:25 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm interested in finding out what audio interfaces all you notebook=20= > computer users are using in place of (bi-passing) the internal=20 > soundcard? USB? Firewire? Can you share what you are using? I'm=20 > interesting in something that is compact but also high quality. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 18:10:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70DD03BED0; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:10:12 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: re: *First Post* need advice on midi sync looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <441D9E84.1070209@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Welcome to the list -Aaron - >>I want a device that will loop audio, quantized, in sync with a midi time clock. If the midi clock speeds up (tempo) the looper will speed up too(and rise in pitch).<< I'd think you would want the pitch to *not* change when the midi clock signal speeds up. This allows transitions of all the sync'd instruments together, and frees you to make incremental time changes without worrying about what 'key' you're now in. I suspect the fretless guitar players would be able to navigate these waters, but I'd have a little trouble with every slight tempo change. To answer you're question about the Repeater, I have had mine for about a year. I'm always sync'd to some device or other, and it's pretty stable. I have had instances when I've had to power down and restart, but tend to blame the 'upstream' instruments - clocking device, CC data from a foot controller, etc. I should mention that during performance, if you slow the tempo dramatically, your loops will take on a grainy quality - even new tracks laid over the existing ones. Sometimes starting a 'fresh' loop is the only way to get rid of that. I haven't seen comments about this 'feechur' on the list before. Maybe that should be a separate thread. The Repeater worked flawlessly Friday night in my first public looping gig with Kim Galibert and Hot Bitch Arsenal. Boy was that fun! Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 18:15:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B725F3BECA; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HJmkElFhpIfMUH2xdvRZzR/TliGzKwQOPHlsh9MgkNvPyuYTJ3J1CNWuGMWnd5oLG2oVIKt6WsuQqDVIIF5BhZNT8ItTwDXozeAlys6yMwb9nHtt4c5w2CVzKVJarCpwZ0Y6wKjIUGcCV/YQk3u0XyW2Oy+WD1PEEqZTUpPDjN4= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603191008g5f9b34e1xa92e79500e4a8e2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:08:43 +0000 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users In-Reply-To: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-itNG.A.u_E.t-ZHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:15:09 +0000 (UTC) On 3/19/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm interested in finding out what audio interfaces all you notebook > computer users are using in place of (bi-passing) the internal soundcard? Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2: http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/ it's a wonderful sounding thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 18:27:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390063BECC; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:27:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80603191008g5f9b34e1xa92e79500e4a8e2c@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcZLgQ7uzYf0V7QBTxmxXZGT0/MVFgAAaocg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20060319182758.AE11D3BEB2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <33ZjWC.A.VaF.uKaHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:27:59 +0000 (UTC) It looks good, but it sounds expensive compared to what a motu traveler can offer (apart from the preamps maybe) -----Original Message----- From: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com] Sent: 19 March 2006 18:09 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users On 3/19/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm interested in finding out what audio interfaces all you notebook > computer users are using in place of (bi-passing) the internal soundcard? Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2: http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/ it's a wonderful sounding thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 18:39:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC6B53BECA; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CACwuHUSHaSw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060319180417.02c79bf0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:37:37 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <20060319171328.6E1F83BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060319171328.6E1F83BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:39:27 +0000 (UTC) hi Kevin, That's a small budget for guitar synthing. You want a guitar to midi thing? ...or synthy sounding FX? If you can find a used Yamaha G-50 then that will do a fair job of converting a regular guitar into MIDI, allowing you to plug into any midi controlled synth you like. ( won't do chords without the hex p/u of course). Then , of course, you don't have much budget left over for a synth :-( It's designed by the guys who make the Axon gear, so I guess some Axon stuff also has the mono input, but I've seen the Yamaha going cheap (and bought one) If you aren't into the midi thing, then running your guitar into a distortion followed by a filter of some kind will do rather nicely if the Electro Harmonix stuff is too pricey. andy butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 19:00:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E52F3BECC; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Qt0HVwcoRoNfF7ajudNhGPeoJaBgw3fZjhb10vfZwdVHLB1FQDrCY6w+IRt6vyKq7xyinH6LBpJl0Y+Jhhf3LFpN08rxP7qnxrG+RECI37O3poMcyOBxdCA7aCq7B1ggcVh+F+b1YSoL23JkWwfMMnAqp416WD3itmTWY4QB5/w= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603191100t4fe2dedciff6bc63d1e3a8f4e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:00:40 +0000 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users In-Reply-To: <20060319182758.AE11D3BEB2@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80603191008g5f9b34e1xa92e79500e4a8e2c@mail.gmail.com> <20060319182758.AE11D3BEB2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:00:42 +0000 (UTC) On 3/19/06, mrweasel wrote: > It looks good, but it sounds expensive compared to what a motu traveler c= an > offer (apart from the preamps maybe) I like some MOTU stuff, I have an 896HD on my desktop setup, but I don't use its mic pres. I considered the Traveller when I needed a something for the laptop, but the ULN2 won (its preamps are superb) and as far as I'm concerned the ULN2 is worth every penny. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 19:09:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D35A3BEB5; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:09:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80603191100t4fe2dedciff6bc63d1e3a8f4e@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcZLh302s9MnsX9ZRDeLEBb/y5rj5wAAIsug Message-Id: <20060319190916.908223BEB2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:09:17 +0000 (UTC) I suppose it makes sense if you use predominently microphones. When you invest more than 800 or 900 in an mobile audio interface, you might just as well pay a bit extra to get good preamps if thats what you mostly use. I don t really use my motu s preamps either. -----Original Message----- From: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com] Sent: 19 March 2006 19:01 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users On 3/19/06, mrweasel wrote: > It looks good, but it sounds expensive compared to what a motu > traveler can offer (apart from the preamps maybe) I like some MOTU stuff, I have an 896HD on my desktop setup, but I don't use its mic pres. I considered the Traveller when I needed a something for the laptop, but the ULN2 won (its preamps are superb) and as far as I'm concerned the ULN2 is worth every penny. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 19:16:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 598FE3BED2; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5b5fea77097ad705cde4595816489d16@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:16:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:16:41 +0000 (UTC) MOTU Traveller Firewire Interface On Mar 19, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm interested in finding out what audio interfaces all you notebook > computer users are using in place of (bi-passing) the internal > soundcard? USB? Firewire? Can you share what you are using? I'm > interesting in something that is compact but also high quality. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 19:18:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F0FF3BED3; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FADw8HUSFVIIVLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060319175158.02c81590@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:16:05 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: more streams In-Reply-To: <20060319171328.6E1F83BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060319171328.6E1F83BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:18:31 +0000 (UTC) > It would be interesting to create a "master" LD .m3u file. It > would be one monster file that folks can submit their streams to. hey Kris, that's a neat idea, meanwhile, here's something to be going on with ( my y2k5 set as a stream) www.andybutler.com/y2k5.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 19:19:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F140F3BED2; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80603191100t4fe2dedciff6bc63d1e3a8f4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <353e2ed80603191008g5f9b34e1xa92e79500e4a8e2c@mail.gmail.com> <20060319182758.AE11D3BEB2@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80603191100t4fe2dedciff6bc63d1e3a8f4e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <2e965c88e1c8e9dd5c0dab294fcd1183@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:18:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:18:59 +0000 (UTC) The ULN2 sounds really good. It is a superb, high-quality piece of=20 equipment. And is highly recommended. (BTW, I also have an 896 on my desktop that I love.) My decision to go with the m-audio was based on several decisions.=20 (These are the same reasons I would probably go with the Ultralight=20 now): 1) Durability 2) Size/Weight 3) Functionality 3) Cost When you are lugging around a lot of gear, every inch and ounce counts.=20= (somebody should have fun with that.) And while pres make a very big difference, in a standard house system=20 at a club with less than pristine acoustics.....will the difference=20 really be noticed? For me, the $500 and something dollar difference has been well spent=20 (?) on other things....mainly, um, beer.... cheers, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 19, 2006, at 11:00 AM, David Morton wrote: > On 3/19/06, mrweasel wrote: >> It looks good, but it sounds expensive compared to what a motu=20 >> traveler can >> offer (apart from the preamps maybe) > > I like some MOTU stuff, I have an 896HD on my desktop setup, but I > don't use its mic pres. > > I considered the Traveller when I needed a something for the laptop, > but the ULN2 won (its preamps are superb) and as far as I'm concerned > the ULN2 is worth every penny. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 19:24:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD5593BED0; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <008c01c64b46$39fddc10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <008c01c64b46$39fddc10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Z=FCrcher?= Subject: Re: musical technique and musicality (german) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:24:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:24:44 +0000 (UTC) > > are you sure "musikantisch" is German, and not Swiss? I've never > heard that > word before :-) > > Michael (German) > www.michaelpeters.de > Make sure you look it up in the Duden (Standard German dictionary) Although "musikantisch" is rather referring to the joy of making music than its technique - "musikalisch" much wider in meaning: including musical skills as well as musical terms in general. In English: Can a person be as musical as a musical instrument? Don't know. - But beware: There might be as much confusion between the American and the English as there is between the German and the Swiss... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 19:39:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 169903BED0; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ttk9f5wCBQBYP2xizWF3YKYRJz8kyCEYJSwB9MVoYy7oBQUdrcNbJ7ikVFuqee/+9h4o/8Y+sjMeChhszwyGz7oYv6j4KUcYUFoTPivMRQwgFVPjQnItTugle5I28vjbvzMf6p8oXv7maNsrzAFiMDnV85CDERyWIbQ3i2tA3yQ= ; Message-ID: <20060319193926.32694.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:39:26 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: re: *First Post* need advice on midi sync looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <441D9E84.1070209@Verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:39:27 +0000 (UTC) What Aaron said. If you want a looper that chases a moving clock, the Repeater is king. Also, you can do the inverse of having the tempo change and pitch stay the same, and move the pitch around. Shame your only chance of buying one is the used market, but such is the looper market right now. --- Dan Ash wrote: > Welcome to the list -Aaron - > > >>I want a device that will loop audio, quantized, > in sync with a midi > time clock. > If the midi clock speeds up (tempo) the looper will > speed up too(and > rise in pitch).<< > > I'd think you would want the pitch to *not* change > when the midi clock > signal speeds up. This allows transitions of all the > sync'd instruments > together, and frees you to make incremental time > changes without > worrying about what 'key' you're now in. I suspect > the fretless guitar > players would be able to navigate these waters, but > I'd have a little > trouble with every slight tempo change. > > To answer you're question about the Repeater, I have > had mine for about > a year. I'm always sync'd to some device or other, > and it's pretty > stable. I have had instances when I've had to power > down and restart, > but tend to blame the 'upstream' instruments - > clocking device, CC data > from a foot controller, etc. I should mention that > during performance, > if you slow the tempo dramatically, your loops will > take on a grainy > quality - even new tracks laid over the existing > ones. Sometimes > starting a 'fresh' loop is the only way to get rid > of that. I haven't > seen comments about this 'feechur' on the list > before. Maybe that > should be a separate thread. > > The Repeater worked flawlessly Friday night in my > first public looping > gig with Kim Galibert and Hot Bitch Arsenal. Boy > was that fun! > > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 19:40:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 911513BEB8; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060319110635.01e16a88@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:41:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <8390c9ac0603190631h1c986988u255c5df50c1018ad@mail.gmail.co m> References: <031920061352.7569.441D621A0000D84400001D912207300033CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <8390c9ac0603190631h1c986988u255c5df50c1018ad@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Andy wrote: >You want a guitar to midi thing or synthy sounding FX? I want something that will take the guitar as signal and allow me to do synth-like manipulation of it. I already have a GR-33 but the latency on fast passages drives me nuts. >If you aren't into the midi thing, then running your guitar into a >distortion followed by a filter of some kind will do rather nicely... This is kind of intriguing. What do you mean? What kinds of filters? NIk wrote: >Electro-Harmonix Micro Synth. Thanks, I'm definitely looking at this. Does anybody have any experience with the EH Micro Synth? Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 19:46:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF0A73BECC; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e6vQ2LQ2eqNJu6oMpG7FJ3RS2wB89XEdxeMg6YVmOKBw7ibOBnujH1mkIcZsuXE+6h6iOZE3upvGvLF7w9xkEVzJIzdOFy4z+XHmnXrUMiXYtALKh/zoV14PWMMXP2JpjjrOLmZx/kXsgY7kIyeECdW/WsNp7I1zzMnC9BUdrG0= ; Message-ID: <20060319194614.5932.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:46:13 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060319180417.02c79bf0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:46:15 +0000 (UTC) I know I harp on this a lot, but I've spent thousands on guitar synth gear never to be really happy with how it behaved (yodelling SUCKS) If your broke, listen to Andy and get some sort of distortion with some filters. Couple that with a volume pedal (I like mine after the distortion and before the filter and delay) and you can get some pretty synthy tones out of your guitar with no glitching. Add and ebow and fun will result. If you're really into getting some true synth tones, my recommendation is to buy something like a Roland 2020 or SH-32 and a cheap keyboard midi controller. A few weeks of practice and you'll be up and running. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 20:09:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A56CA3BEDC; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:09:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:09:19 +0000 (UTC) At 10:25 AM -0700 3/19/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >I'm interested in finding out what audio interfaces all you notebook >computer users are using in place of (bi-passing) the internal >soundcard? USB? Firewire? Can you share what you are using? I'm >interesting in something that is compact but also high quality. I'm using an Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface. Sounds excellent, and has given me no issues. It has 10 inputs/outputs (although, to be fair, 2 are for S/PDIF and you've got to allot 2 outs for the mains) plus MIDI. I'm using the extra I/O as effect sends & returns, and doing all my mixing in software. One of my primary criteria was Balanced I/O on all audio jacks -- which eliminated most of the M-Audio interfaces, since they've started playing silly games with that. Another was size -- which, unfortunately, knocked out the MOTU interfaces; although I understand they've got a brand new half-rack which might be worth checking out. Finally, price eliminated the RME's for me, even though I've got a lot of respect for those. The FA-101 met all my criteria and gives me fantastic audio quality as well. I've also got an older M-Audio Quattro -- USB 4 channel I/O with MIDI -- which sounds great and has never given me a single problem. I just needed to upgrade since USB1 limited its number of available channels, and I wanted to go Firewire to eliminate the wall-wart. I'm currently looking at the Echo Indigo models for one of my other laptops (better specs than the onboard audio, and ultra-portable). I just can't decide on whether I'd rather go for the Indigo I/O or the Indigo DJ... --m. -- _______ "Snakes on a Plane..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 20:29:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 474263BECC; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAE1KHUSHaSw Message-ID: <00a401c64b93$de723460$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <20060319193926.32694.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: *First Post* need advice on midi sync looper Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:29:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0611-2, 17/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:29:53 +0000 (UTC) > (Mark Sottilaro) If you want a looper that chases a > moving clock, the Repeater is king. Be warned though that the Midi sync feature of the Repeater can be a little unreliable (at least it was on my fateful unit). The few times I synced it to a DJ's laptop, it kept doing random things like doubling the tempo.... One of these times was at a gig :( -- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 20:31:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE10E3BEB9; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAE1KHUSHaSw Message-ID: <00a701c64b94$1289edb0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <353e2ed80603191008g5f9b34e1xa92e79500e4a8e2c@mail.gmail.com> <20060319182758.AE11D3BEB2@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80603191100t4fe2dedciff6bc63d1e3a8f4e@mail.gmail.com> <2e965c88e1c8e9dd5c0dab294fcd1183@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:31:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0611-2, 17/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:31:20 +0000 (UTC) (snip) I have a trusty Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1)... 2 in and 2 out.... nothing amazing, but it works for me and the latency is very low. I'm currently using it with Mobius. -- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 21:06:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6114F3BEB9; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: incorporating the equipment into the gesamtkunstwerk (was:*First Post* need advice on midi sync looper) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:06:17 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <004401c64b98$f75edfa0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <00a401c64b93$de723460$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZLk+KPGOaCD+4jTnWCha76ZYPtqwABK2Eg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:06:27 +0000 (UTC) This is one of the examples where it requires you to incorporate the = tech failures into the Gesamtkunstwerk (a term coined by Richard Wagner to describe music, lyrics, theatre elements and everything around it = becoming one big piece of art)...I remember having a repeater dropping out of = sync during a performance while I was singing, so I started to sing lyrics = about people subjected to equipment failures and did a call and response thing with the repeater resyncing and dropping out again... > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:loopersdelight@swyatt.com]=20 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. M=E4rz 2006 21:30 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: *First Post* need advice on midi sync looper >=20 >=20 >=20 > > (Mark Sottilaro) If you want a looper that chases a moving=20 > clock, the=20 > > Repeater is king. >=20 > Be warned though that the Midi sync feature of the Repeater=20 > can be a little unreliable (at least it was on my fateful=20 > unit). The few times I synced it to a DJ's laptop, it kept=20 > doing random things like doubling the tempo....=20 > One of these times was at a gig :( > -- > Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 21:11:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 463BD3BEB9; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060319110635.01e16a88@TheNettles.com> References: <031920061352.7569.441D621A0000D84400001D912207300033CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comc ast.net> <8390c9ac0603190631h1c986988u255c5df50c1018ad@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060319110635.01e16a88@TheNettles.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:11:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1Ahgb.A.n6G.HkcHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:11:35 +0000 (UTC) At 11:41 AM -0800 3/19/06, Kevin wrote: > >I want something that will take the guitar as signal and allow me to >do synth-like manipulation of it. I already have a GR-33 but the >latency on fast passages drives me nuts. The Roland VG technology can probably give you what you're looking for, with no latency (since it processes the existing signal, rather than using MIDI conversion, or "pitch-to-glitch" as it's occasionally known. The original Roland VG-8 has been going for pretty good prices over on Ebay. I picked up one a couple months ago for a little over $250 (excellent condition, and included a flight case and extra Boss EV-5 expression pedal). I've seen 'em going for as little as ~$150 for the VG-8 alone. It requires a GK pickup, but I've seen used GK-2a's passing for $60-90, which puts the whole setup at just a little over your budget. If you want to go a little cheaper, look for a Boss WP-20g. It includes some of the models from the later VG-88, and has some synthy sounds onboard (unfortunately, it doesn't have an integrated filter). It still requires the GK pickup, but only goes for about $90-120 used -- which probably puts the whole setup under your $200 limit. >>If you aren't into the midi thing, then running your guitar into a >>distortion followed by a filter of some kind will do rather >>nicely... > >This is kind of intriguing. What do you mean? What kinds of filters? I can personally recommend the Line 6 Filter Pro (and, by extension, the FM-4 stompbox). It's not quite as good as a real analog filter (ala Sherman Filter Bank or Electrix Filter Factory), but it's 90% there. Since it's a modelling processor, you've got a lot of different algorithms to try. Also, you've some of the models will do monophonic pitch tracking and output synth sounds, although I think you may get frustrated with the tracking on some of the fast lines. Check it out on their website at http://www.line6.com/products/detail/33/ . The manual for the FM-4 is at http://www.line6.com/support/manuals/ , under the "4-Button Stompboxes" section. --m. -- _______ "Snakes on a Plane..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 21:27:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 086EB3BECD; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WIKEgIYeNfXIov9y08AR/7/QgZn/SqbLxcgbCOzbF+70qpNDWEWYY6VFYBe0bgYTCgJ+QH4t3zReDYtXsTcgEASqoPPGoUpsQKcOkkyVUzkUG0hz9SYjCYS/aMQbEbTokosp36JuDRxhvNwT6nv/eWRYZXc7EZT5saGzZyFYVEw= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603191327v28b0673cod725cf2ae25f9442@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:27:33 +0000 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users In-Reply-To: <00a701c64b94$1289edb0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80603191008g5f9b34e1xa92e79500e4a8e2c@mail.gmail.com> <20060319182758.AE11D3BEB2@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80603191100t4fe2dedciff6bc63d1e3a8f4e@mail.gmail.com> <2e965c88e1c8e9dd5c0dab294fcd1183@pfmentum.com> <00a701c64b94$1289edb0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:27:34 +0000 (UTC) On 3/19/06, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > (snip) > I have a trusty Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1)... 2 in and 2 out.... nothing amazi= ng, > but it works for me and the latency is very low. I'm currently using it w= ith > Mobius. I have one of those. It was the first decent computer audio interface I ever owned, and it's still in use on the PC I use to run AudioMulch. I've no complaints, it's a really workmanlike bit of kit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 21:42:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD6713BECD; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tim Thompson" To: Subject: RE: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:42:13 -0800 Message-ID: <006701c64b9d$fc502fa0$0501a8c0@trill> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcZLlrAyy+Nm0x2GS22VgfzEU5EgzwABq4dg In-Reply-To: <441D9695.1060205@pdq.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Add my enthusiastic vote for the Echo Indigo line (2in/2out or 4out). Their drivers are solid and provide multiple independent virtual outputs with a mixer so that multiple applications can have their own outputs. ...Tim... -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users PCMCIA card, Echo Indigo for me. Very low latency, very high quality audio, and very compact. Also reasonably priced! Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm interested in finding out what audio interfaces all you notebook > computer users are using in place of (bi-passing) the internal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 22:07:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA6ED3BECD; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAGZfHUSHaiw Message-ID: <006001c64ba1$7eeeb9b0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <031920061352.7569.441D621A0000D84400001D912207300033CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comc ast.net> <8390c9ac0603190631h1c986988u255c5df50c1018ad@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060319110635.01e16a88@TheNettles.com> Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:07:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0611-2, 17/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:07:28 +0000 (UTC) > (mech wrote) I can personally recommend the Line 6 Filter Pro (and, by > extension, the FM-4 stompbox). I can also recommend the Filter Pro. It has a load of weird and whacky sounds, and is one of the few filters I've tried that really works on my electric violin. Unfortunately, Line6 stopped making them a few years ago... but they do appear in dribs and drabs on ebay (There is one in the UK and one in Canada at the moment). Whilst the echo pro's sell at a high premium (£200-£300), the filter pro's tend to go for about half that, which might just fit in to your budget. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 23:26:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AE1F3BEB9; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <124001c64bac$7bfe9da0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <006701c64b9d$fc502fa0$0501a8c0@trill> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:26:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_123D_01C64B71.CEDDD530" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 504, in=243397, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <9gBeQD.A.xh.NieHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:26:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_123D_01C64B71.CEDDD530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Holy moly...talk about a response! Let me see if I can summarize: 1. Echo IO http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php = - $200 2. Echo DJ - = http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200 3. MOTU Traveler - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ - = $849 4. MOTU Ultralite - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/ - = $549 5. MOTU 828 MKII - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/828/ - $749 6. M-Audio 1814 - = http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html - $499 7. M-Audio Mobilepre USB - = http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html - $149 8. Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 - = http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/ - $1075 9. Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface - = http://www.audioamigo.com/edifa101.html - $500 10. Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1) - = http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UA-5/index.html - $300 11. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - = http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=3D1&subcategory=3D2= 04&product=3D10769 - $100 Most of these are totally overkill for me...there's no flippin' way I'm = spending $500-800 on an audio interface, but given the number of inputes = these more expensive units have and what they can do, the price does = seem right. Now, for my user requirements: - 1 stereo ouput, 1 stereo input, 1 mic input (optional) - Small and portable (no rack mount units), the size of a sandwich = preferrably - USB, Firewire, or PCMCIA (PCMCIA is best, IF AND ONLY IF it does not = disable my laptop's soundcard...my Audigy 2 ZS does, which I do not = like) - $300 or less Given this, the Echos look good, as do the M-AudioMobilepre and Edirol = UA-5. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_123D_01C64B71.CEDDD530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Holy moly...talk about a response! Let = me see if I=20 can summarize:
 
1. Echo IO http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200
2. Echo DJ - http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200
3. MOTU Traveler - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ - $849
4. MOTU Ultralite - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/ - $549
5. MOTU 828 MKII - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/828/ - $749
6. M-Audio 1814 - http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html - $499
7. M-Audio Mobilepre USB - http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html - $149
8. Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 - = http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/<= FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2> - $1075
9. Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface - = http://www.audioamigo.com/edifa101.html - $500
10. Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1) - http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UA-5/index.html - $300
11. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS = Notebook  -=20 http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=3D1&su= bcategory=3D204&product=3D10769 - $100
 
Most of these are totally overkill for = me...there's=20 no flippin' way I'm spending $500-800 on an audio interface, but given = the=20 number of inputes these more expensive units have and what they can do, = the=20 price does seem right.

Now, for my user=20 requirements:
 
- 1 stereo ouput, 1 stereo input, 1 mic = input=20 (optional)
- Small and portable (no rack mount = units), the=20 size of a sandwich preferrably
- USB, Firewire, or PCMCIA = (PCMCIA is best,=20 IF AND ONLY IF it does not disable my laptop's soundcard...my Audigy 2 = ZS does,=20 which I do not like)
- $300 or = less
 
Given this, the Echos look good, = as do the=20 M-AudioMobilepre and Edirol UA-5.
 
Kris

 ------=_NextPart_000_123D_01C64B71.CEDDD530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 23:30:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 253BC3BECA; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: <031920061352.7569.441D621A0000D84400001D912207300033CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comc ast.net> <8390c9ac0603190631h1c986988u255c5df50c1018ad@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060319110635.01e16a88@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:34:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:30:28 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 19, 2006, at 1:11 PM, mech wrote: > I can personally recommend the Line 6 Filter Pro (and, by > extension, the FM-4 stompbox). It's not quite as good as a real > analog filter (ala Sherman Filter Bank or Electrix Filter Factory), > but it's 90% there. Since it's a modelling processor, you've got a > lot of different algorithms to try. Also, you've some of the > models will do monophonic pitch tracking and output synth sounds, > although I think you may get frustrated with the tracking on some > of the fast lines. I've got an FM4 that I keep meaning to find the time to sell. It's a great weird sounds box. I'm just finding I'm not using those sort of sounds these days. I would need to see what the going rate is, but I'm sure it would be under your $200 threshold. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 23:32:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 800253BECA; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <124001c64bac$7bfe9da0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <006701c64b9d$fc502fa0$0501a8c0@trill> <124001c64bac$7bfe9da0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:32:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Try the M-Audio 410. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 19, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Holy moly...talk about a response! Let me see if I can summarize: > =A0 > 1. Echo IO =20 > http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php=A0- $200 > 2. Echo DJ - =20 > http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php=A0- $200 > 3. MOTU Traveler - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/=A0- = =20 > $849 > 4. MOTU Ultralite - =20 > http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/=A0- $549 > 5. MOTU 828 MKII - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/828/=A0- = $749 > 6. M-Audio 1814 - =20 > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html=A0- $499 > 7. M-Audio Mobilepre USB - =20 > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html=A0- $149 > 8. Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 - =20 > http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/=A0- $1075 > 9. Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface - =20 > http://www.audioamigo.com/edifa101.html=A0- $500 > 10. Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1) - =20 > http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UA-5/index.html=A0- $300 > 11. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook=A0 - =20 > http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?=20 > category=3D1&subcategory=3D204&product=3D10769=A0- $100 > =A0 > Most of these are totally overkill for me...there's no flippin' way =20= > I'm spending $500-800 on an audio interface, but given the number of =20= > inputes these more expensive units have and what they can do, the =20 > price does seem right. > > Now, for my user requirements: > =A0 > - 1 stereo ouput, 1 stereo input, 1 mic input (optional) > - Small and portable (no rack mount units), the size of a sandwich =20 > preferrably > - USB, Firewire, or PCMCIA (PCMCIA is best, IF AND ONLY IF it does not = =20 > disable my laptop's soundcard...my Audigy 2 ZS does, which I do not =20= > like) > - $300 or less > =A0 > Given this, the Echos look good, as do the M-AudioMobilepre and Edirol = =20 > UA-5. > =A0 > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 19 23:50:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5965F3BEB5; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1197.71.196.185.27.1142812213.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <006701c64b9d$fc502fa0$0501a8c0@trill> References: <441D9695.1060205@pdq.net> <006701c64b9d$fc502fa0$0501a8c0@trill> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:50:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Audio Interface for Notebook Users From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <51krr.A._GC.34eHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:50:15 +0000 (UTC) I've had an Echo Indigo i/o for 3 years, and until 2 weeks ago, it was great. Low latency, surprsingly great sound, easy to use, reliable, etc. On the first night of our current tour, it died on a gig, wouldn't power up and Ableton wouldn't recognize it when plugged in. Very frustrating, I've had to resort to using the built in soundcard, which is pretty high latency and only OK sounding. This means ditching all the live VST instrument stuff I've been doing, as well as the looping in Mobius/Live, the latency is too high to make it work in time. I'm still able to trigger pre-recorded loops in Live, I just have to compensate by hitting the footswitch WAY ahead of the beat. Fortunately, our drummer is pretty good at following loops, even when mis-triggered. On a positive note, an email to Echo got an RA# from them, they will attempt to repair it for free, which is very cool as it is way out of warranty. While I'm complaining about gear, one more whine. Why do gear makers make effects that power up non-bypassed! We've had a couple of gigs where power has been sketchy, several times my pedalboard has lost power in the middle of sets. When it comes back on, both my evolver and Moogerfooger are in active mode. Since I usually have a pretty high-gain distortion patch on the evolver, it means my bass goes into total feedback before I can bypass the evolver. Highly frustrating. After this trip, I plan to squeeze an effects loop switcher/true bypass switch onto the pedalboard. Tim Thompson wrote: >Add my enthusiastic vote for the Echo Indigo line (2in/2out or 4out). >Their drivers are solid and provide multiple independent virtual outputs >with a mixer so that multiple applications can have their own outputs. > > ...Tim... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 00:13:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBBCE3BEB9; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <125c01c64bb3$168916b0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <006701c64b9d$fc502fa0$0501a8c0@trill> <124001c64bac$7bfe9da0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:13:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 507, in=256092, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Looks good...comes with Live too. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Try the M-Audio 410. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Mar 19, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Holy moly...talk about a response! Let me see if I can summarize: > > 1. Echo IO http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - > $200 > 2. Echo DJ - > http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200 > 3. MOTU Traveler - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ - > $849 > 4. MOTU Ultralite - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/ - > $549 > 5. MOTU 828 MKII - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/828/ - $749 > 6. M-Audio 1814 - > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html - $499 > 7. M-Audio Mobilepre USB - > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html - $149 > 8. Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 - > http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/ - $1075 > 9. Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface - > http://www.audioamigo.com/edifa101.html - $500 > 10. Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1) - > http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UA-5/index.html - $300 > 11. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - > http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp? > category=1&subcategory=204&product=10769 - $100 > > Most of these are totally overkill for me...there's no flippin' way I'm > spending $500-800 on an audio interface, but given the number of inputes > these more expensive units have and what they can do, the price does seem > right. > > Now, for my user requirements: > > - 1 stereo ouput, 1 stereo input, 1 mic input (optional) > - Small and portable (no rack mount units), the size of a sandwich > preferrably > - USB, Firewire, or PCMCIA (PCMCIA is best, IF AND ONLY IF it does not > disable my laptop's soundcard...my Audigy 2 ZS does, which I do not like) > - $300 or less > > Given this, the Echos look good, as do the M-AudioMobilepre and Edirol > UA-5. > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 00:19:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88DA13BECC; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <125c01c64bb3$168916b0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <006701c64b9d$fc502fa0$0501a8c0@trill> <124001c64bac$7bfe9da0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <125c01c64bb3$168916b0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <758d11febcc6651e893c25111f9267ed@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:19:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:19:38 +0000 (UTC) It is more than you need, as far as ins/outs.....but it is nice to have=20= them available for whatever might come your way. Plusses: Firewire=20 powered, compact, and they hit the street for a little less than=20 $300...jeez, you'd think I work for these guys (I don't)..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 19, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Looks good...comes with Live too. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser"=20 > > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users > > > Try the M-Audio 410. > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > On Mar 19, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Holy moly...talk about a response! Let me see if I can summarize: >> >> 1. Echo IO =20 >> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200 >> 2. Echo DJ - =20 >> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200 >> 3. MOTU Traveler - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ -=20= >> $849 >> 4. MOTU Ultralite - =20 >> http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/ - $549 >> 5. MOTU 828 MKII - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/828/ - $749 >> 6. M-Audio 1814 -=20 >> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html - $499 >> 7. M-Audio Mobilepre USB -=20 >> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html - $149 >> 8. Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 -=20 >> http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/ - $1075 >> 9. Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface -=20 >> http://www.audioamigo.com/edifa101.html - $500 >> 10. Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1) -=20 >> http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UA-5/index.html - $300 >> 11. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook -=20 >> http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?=20 >> category=3D1&subcategory=3D204&product=3D10769 - $100 >> >> Most of these are totally overkill for me...there's no flippin' way =20= >> I'm spending $500-800 on an audio interface, but given the number of =20= >> inputes these more expensive units have and what they can do, the =20 >> price does seem right. >> >> Now, for my user requirements: >> >> - 1 stereo ouput, 1 stereo input, 1 mic input (optional) >> - Small and portable (no rack mount units), the size of a sandwich=20 >> preferrably >> - USB, Firewire, or PCMCIA (PCMCIA is best, IF AND ONLY IF it does=20 >> not disable my laptop's soundcard...my Audigy 2 ZS does, which I do=20= >> not like) >> - $300 or less >> >> Given this, the Echos look good, as do the M-AudioMobilepre and=20 >> Edirol UA-5. >> >> Kris >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 01:18:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CE1E3BEC7; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <127f01c64bbc$20ff3990$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <006701c64b9d$fc502fa0$0501a8c0@trill> <124001c64bac$7bfe9da0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <125c01c64bb3$168916b0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <758d11febcc6651e893c25111f9267ed@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:17:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 507, in=256129, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, are the 2 inputs stereo or mono (2X8)? Also, does software read each input as a separate device? It would be great to be able to take input from my guitar, process it, spit it back out, but also take input from the mixer's output and stream to the web. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users It is more than you need, as far as ins/outs.....but it is nice to have them available for whatever might come your way. Plusses: Firewire powered, compact, and they hit the street for a little less than $300...jeez, you'd think I work for these guys (I don't)..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Mar 19, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Looks good...comes with Live too. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users > > > Try the M-Audio 410. > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > On Mar 19, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Holy moly...talk about a response! Let me see if I can summarize: >> >> 1. Echo IO >> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200 >> 2. Echo DJ - >> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200 >> 3. MOTU Traveler - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ - >> $849 >> 4. MOTU Ultralite - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/ - >> $549 >> 5. MOTU 828 MKII - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/828/ - $749 >> 6. M-Audio 1814 - >> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html - $499 >> 7. M-Audio Mobilepre USB - >> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html - $149 >> 8. Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 - >> http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/ - $1075 >> 9. Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface - >> http://www.audioamigo.com/edifa101.html - $500 >> 10. Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1) - >> http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UA-5/index.html - $300 >> 11. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - >> http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp? >> category=1&subcategory=204&product=10769 - $100 >> >> Most of these are totally overkill for me...there's no flippin' way I'm >> spending $500-800 on an audio interface, but given the number of inputes >> these more expensive units have and what they can do, the price does >> seem right. >> >> Now, for my user requirements: >> >> - 1 stereo ouput, 1 stereo input, 1 mic input (optional) >> - Small and portable (no rack mount units), the size of a sandwich >> preferrably >> - USB, Firewire, or PCMCIA (PCMCIA is best, IF AND ONLY IF it does not >> disable my laptop's soundcard...my Audigy 2 ZS does, which I do not >> like) >> - $300 or less >> >> Given this, the Echos look good, as do the M-AudioMobilepre and Edirol >> UA-5. >> >> Kris >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 01:39:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7656C3BEB9; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <129401c64bbf$2d072ec0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <008d01c64b47$0bf080b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <10df01c64b73$9d5b5ad0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:39:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 507, in=256139, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Okay, I'm ready to start adding links to what could eventually be the world's large and most gigantor MP3 playlist. If you have have looping MP3s that you want in this playlist, send them to me using the format below. Send them one line after another, no spaces between each entry (as shown below), that way I can just paste into my playlist file. #EXTINF: Song Title - Artist - CD or Event http://URL to your MP3 file Here is the playlist, currently just Y2K5 recordings: http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 01:46:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A519B3BECD; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:44:01 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060319110635.01e16a88@TheNettles.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:46:21 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Kevin wrote: > >If you aren't into the midi thing, then running your guitar into a > >distortion followed by a filter of some kind will do rather nicely... > This is kind of intriguing. What do you mean? What kinds of filters? The EH site has ton's of MP3s of their products including all their filter pedals which will give you an idea of what's out there: http://ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F19%5FFilters An autofilter and fuzz pedal will do the trick. I use an EH Mini Qtron and Boss FZ2 which has a two band EQ. There is a world of "synthy" tones in this combination and it's certainly less that $200. You could also try the Boss SY3B pedal. It's monophonic on it's synth tones but has two autowah settings as well as a great Waveshaper which you can use polyphonicall and they all have filter cutoff and resonance controls. > >Electro-Harmonix Micro Synth. > Thanks, I'm definitely looking at this. Does anybody have any > experience with the EH Micro Synth? As a processor it's fantastic. It has a built in Square wave fuzz and great raspy raw filter which you can set to sweep fast/slow etc. Also it has an octaver. The catch is it is monophonic for playing lines and there is a lot of triggering issues if you don't get it *just* right. My reccomendation if you want super fast playing is to just process your guitar signal and forget "guitar synths" altogether. At $200 you won't find anything to really do the trick. If you can go to $400-500 then you're talking (get a used Roland VG8 system which tracks great as opposed to your GR33). You can get plenty of juicy "synth" type sounds from autowah and Envelope follower pedals. (do some internet serachs on these items to find out more and hear examples) With a distorion in front of that you've got your typical 70s "guitar synth". ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 01:55:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EF9D3BEB9; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <127f01c64bbc$20ff3990$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <006701c64b9d$fc502fa0$0501a8c0@trill> <124001c64bac$7bfe9da0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <125c01c64bb3$168916b0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <758d11febcc6651e893c25111f9267ed@pfmentum.com> <127f01c64bbc$20ff3990$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:55:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Well, now you've got me. I hooked it up for what I need, and haven't=20 explored all the possibilities. When I use it with max/msp, I use one=20 input, and then create the output routings in max. You can make the=20 ins/outs go wherever you want in the max environment.... So to answer=20= your question regarding the routing: If you are using max/msp: yes, you=20= can do whatever you want very easily! (Sorry, just had to make a plug=20 for max) :-) Let's see, I've just opened the software for the 1814 (I don't have a=20 410 here, but I think they are very similar in the software they use.) Regarding inputs: Yes, 1/2 and 3/4 can each be linked as stereo, or=20 left as independent. And yes, they can be assigned to outputs as stereo pairs. Each one has=20= an independent assign button to go to outputs 1/2 or 3/4. In my Mac, it looks like one device...but I would think there is a way=20= to route 3/4 via software in the way you needed. I just don't know how. Jeff BTW, great idea...to route it to a live web stream.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 19, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Jeff, are the 2 inputs stereo or mono (2X8)? Also, does software read=20= > each input as a separate device? It would be great to be able to take=20= > input from my guitar, process it, spit it back out, but also take=20 > input from the mixer's output and stream to the web. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser"=20 > > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:19 PM > Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users > > > It is more than you need, as far as ins/outs.....but it is nice to = have > them available for whatever might come your way. Plusses: Firewire > powered, compact, and they hit the street for a little less than > $300...jeez, you'd think I work for these guys (I don't)..... > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > On Mar 19, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Looks good...comes with Live too. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser"=20 >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:32 PM >> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users >> >> >> Try the M-Audio 410. >> >> >> >> Jeff Kaiser >> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >> pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com >> On Mar 19, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: >> >>> Holy moly...talk about a response! Let me see if I can summarize: >>> >>> 1. Echo IO =20 >>> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200 >>> 2. Echo DJ -=20 >>> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200 >>> 3. MOTU Traveler - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/=20= >>> - $849 >>> 4. MOTU Ultralite - =20 >>> http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/ - $549 >>> 5. MOTU 828 MKII - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/828/ - = $749 >>> 6. M-Audio 1814 -=20 >>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html - $499 >>> 7. M-Audio Mobilepre USB -=20 >>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html - $149 >>> 8. Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 -=20 >>> http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/ - $1075 >>> 9. Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface -=20 >>> http://www.audioamigo.com/edifa101.html - $500 >>> 10. Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1) -=20 >>> http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UA-5/index.html - $300 >>> 11. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook -=20 >>> http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?=20 >>> category=3D1&subcategory=3D204&product=3D10769 - $100 >>> >>> Most of these are totally overkill for me...there's no flippin' way =20= >>> I'm spending $500-800 on an audio interface, but given the number of=20= >>> inputes these more expensive units have and what they can do, the =20= >>> price does seem right. >>> >>> Now, for my user requirements: >>> >>> - 1 stereo ouput, 1 stereo input, 1 mic input (optional) >>> - Small and portable (no rack mount units), the size of a sandwich=20= >>> preferrably >>> - USB, Firewire, or PCMCIA (PCMCIA is best, IF AND ONLY IF it does=20= >>> not disable my laptop's soundcard...my Audigy 2 ZS does, which I do=20= >>> not like) >>> - $300 or less >>> >>> Given this, the Echos look good, as do the M-AudioMobilepre and=20 >>> Edirol UA-5. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 03:08:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E357D3BEC7; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <12bf01c64bcb$81c42ec0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <006701c64b9d$fc502fa0$0501a8c0@trill> <124001c64bac$7bfe9da0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <125c01c64bb3$168916b0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <758d11febcc6651e893c25111f9267ed@pfmentum.com> <127f01c64bbc$20ff3990$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:08:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 506, in=246025, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Got it. This answers my question. The 410, then, has two mono inputs, which is what I need and no more for the time being. A question for those who use the Indigo IO....does it disable your current soundcard? Or can you still use both at different times? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Well, now you've got me. I hooked it up for what I need, and haven't explored all the possibilities. When I use it with max/msp, I use one input, and then create the output routings in max. You can make the ins/outs go wherever you want in the max environment.... So to answer your question regarding the routing: If you are using max/msp: yes, you can do whatever you want very easily! (Sorry, just had to make a plug for max) :-) Let's see, I've just opened the software for the 1814 (I don't have a 410 here, but I think they are very similar in the software they use.) Regarding inputs: Yes, 1/2 and 3/4 can each be linked as stereo, or left as independent. And yes, they can be assigned to outputs as stereo pairs. Each one has an independent assign button to go to outputs 1/2 or 3/4. In my Mac, it looks like one device...but I would think there is a way to route 3/4 via software in the way you needed. I just don't know how. Jeff BTW, great idea...to route it to a live web stream.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Mar 19, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Jeff, are the 2 inputs stereo or mono (2X8)? Also, does software read each > input as a separate device? It would be great to be able to take input > from my guitar, process it, spit it back out, but also take input from the > mixer's output and stream to the web. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:19 PM > Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users > > > It is more than you need, as far as ins/outs.....but it is nice to have > them available for whatever might come your way. Plusses: Firewire > powered, compact, and they hit the street for a little less than > $300...jeez, you'd think I work for these guys (I don't)..... > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > On Mar 19, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Looks good...comes with Live too. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:32 PM >> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users >> >> >> Try the M-Audio 410. >> >> >> >> Jeff Kaiser >> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >> pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com >> On Mar 19, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: >> >>> Holy moly...talk about a response! Let me see if I can summarize: >>> >>> 1. Echo IO >>> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200 >>> 2. Echo DJ - >>> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200 >>> 3. MOTU Traveler - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ - >>> $849 >>> 4. MOTU Ultralite - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/ - >>> $549 >>> 5. MOTU 828 MKII - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/828/ - $749 >>> 6. M-Audio 1814 - >>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html - $499 >>> 7. M-Audio Mobilepre USB - >>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html - $149 >>> 8. Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 - >>> http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/ - $1075 >>> 9. Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface - >>> http://www.audioamigo.com/edifa101.html - $500 >>> 10. Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1) - >>> http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UA-5/index.html - $300 >>> 11. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - >>> http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp? >>> category=1&subcategory=204&product=10769 - $100 >>> >>> Most of these are totally overkill for me...there's no flippin' way I'm >>> spending $500-800 on an audio interface, but given the number of inputes >>> these more expensive units have and what they can do, the price does >>> seem right. >>> >>> Now, for my user requirements: >>> >>> - 1 stereo ouput, 1 stereo input, 1 mic input (optional) >>> - Small and portable (no rack mount units), the size of a sandwich >>> preferrably >>> - USB, Firewire, or PCMCIA (PCMCIA is best, IF AND ONLY IF it does not >>> disable my laptop's soundcard...my Audigy 2 ZS does, which I do not >>> like) >>> - $300 or less >>> >>> Given this, the Echos look good, as do the M-AudioMobilepre and Edirol >>> UA-5. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 03:12:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD4073BECD; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:12:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441E1D9F.3060902@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:12:31 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users References: <006701c64b9d$fc502fa0$0501a8c0@trill> <124001c64bac$7bfe9da0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <125c01c64bb3$168916b0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <758d11febcc6651e893c25111f9267ed@pfmentum.com> <127f01c64bbc$20ff3990$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <12bf01c64bcb$81c42ec0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <12bf01c64bcb$81c42ec0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5LnaO.A.aNF.e2hHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:12:30 +0000 (UTC) On my Thinkpad T40, the Indigo does not disable the internal soundcard. You can use both (assuming your audio application allows it). Kris Hartung wrote: > Got it. This answers my question. The 410, then, has two mono inputs, > which is what I need and no more for the time being. > > A question for those who use the Indigo IO....does it disable your > current soundcard? Or can you still use both at different times? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users > > > Well, now you've got me. I hooked it up for what I need, and haven't > explored all the possibilities. When I use it with max/msp, I use one > input, and then create the output routings in max. You can make the > ins/outs go wherever you want in the max environment.... So to answer > your question regarding the routing: If you are using max/msp: yes, you > can do whatever you want very easily! (Sorry, just had to make a plug > for max) > > :-) > > Let's see, I've just opened the software for the 1814 (I don't have a > 410 here, but I think they are very similar in the software they use.) > > Regarding inputs: Yes, 1/2 and 3/4 can each be linked as stereo, or > left as independent. > > And yes, they can be assigned to outputs as stereo pairs. Each one has > an independent assign button to go to outputs 1/2 or 3/4. > > In my Mac, it looks like one device...but I would think there is a way > to route 3/4 via software in the way you needed. I just don't know how. > > Jeff > > BTW, great idea...to route it to a live web stream.... > > > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > On Mar 19, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Jeff, are the 2 inputs stereo or mono (2X8)? Also, does software read >> each input as a separate device? It would be great to be able to take >> input from my guitar, process it, spit it back out, but also take >> input from the mixer's output and stream to the web. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:19 PM >> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users >> >> >> It is more than you need, as far as ins/outs.....but it is nice to have >> them available for whatever might come your way. Plusses: Firewire >> powered, compact, and they hit the street for a little less than >> $300...jeez, you'd think I work for these guys (I don't)..... >> >> >> >> Jeff Kaiser >> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >> pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com >> On Mar 19, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: >> >>> Looks good...comes with Live too. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users >>> >>> >>> Try the M-Audio 410. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jeff Kaiser >>> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >>> pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com >>> On Mar 19, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: >>> >>>> Holy moly...talk about a response! Let me see if I can summarize: >>>> >>>> 1. Echo IO >>>> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200 >>>> 2. Echo DJ - >>>> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200 >>>> 3. MOTU Traveler - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ >>>> - $849 >>>> 4. MOTU Ultralite - >>>> http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/ - $549 >>>> 5. MOTU 828 MKII - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/828/ - $749 >>>> 6. M-Audio 1814 - >>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html - $499 >>>> 7. M-Audio Mobilepre USB - >>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html - $149 >>>> 8. Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 - >>>> http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/ - $1075 >>>> 9. Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface - >>>> http://www.audioamigo.com/edifa101.html - $500 >>>> 10. Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1) - >>>> http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UA-5/index.html - $300 >>>> 11. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - >>>> http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp? >>>> category=1&subcategory=204&product=10769 - $100 >>>> >>>> Most of these are totally overkill for me...there's no flippin' >>>> way I'm spending $500-800 on an audio interface, but given the >>>> number of inputes these more expensive units have and what they can >>>> do, the price does seem right. >>>> >>>> Now, for my user requirements: >>>> >>>> - 1 stereo ouput, 1 stereo input, 1 mic input (optional) >>>> - Small and portable (no rack mount units), the size of a sandwich >>>> preferrably >>>> - USB, Firewire, or PCMCIA (PCMCIA is best, IF AND ONLY IF it does >>>> not disable my laptop's soundcard...my Audigy 2 ZS does, which I do >>>> not like) >>>> - $300 or less >>>> >>>> Given this, the Echos look good, as do the M-AudioMobilepre and >>>> Edirol UA-5. >>>> >>>> Kris >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 03:19:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FC743BECF; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1410.71.196.185.27.1142824794.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <12bf01c64bcb$81c42ec0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <006701c64b9d$fc502fa0$0501a8c0@trill> <124001c64bac$7bfe9da0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <125c01c64bb3$168916b0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <758d11febcc6651e893c25111f9267ed@pfmentum.com> <127f01c64bbc$20ff3990$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <12bf01c64bcb$81c42ec0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:19:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:19:56 +0000 (UTC) > A question for those who use the Indigo IO....does it disable your current > soundcard? Or can you still use both at different times? > Y'know, in all the years I've been using the indigo, I've never bothered to check that. And now that it isn't working, I can't. But I'd always assumed I could using something like ASIO4All, just never tried. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 03:25:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EBEA3BED8; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.62) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 20 Mar 2006 03:27:58 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "-Aaron -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:27:58 -0500 Subject: Re: *First Post* need advice on midi sync looper X-Originating-Ip: 202.87.173.73 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060320032758.24A1E1154E0@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_mDIe.A.kAG._CiHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:25:51 +0000 (UTC) "I'd think you would want the pitch to *not* change when the midi=20 clock signal speeds up." No, I want it to change, It's all part of my 'organic' approach ;). Im not = the slightest bit interested in timestretch/pitchshifting pagan magic. I wa= nt it like a reel to reel etc. If the repeater is in any way unreliable with locking to a clock then I wil= l happily snob its extra features. And by a few reports it is a bit inconsi= stant in this department. So, is the EDP rock-solid-bang-on every time. Or is it prone to the odd tam= trum too? Are these the only two 'pro' candidates for midi syncing and quantizing? The "start a loop and have it quantize to MTC" funtion is what it's all abo= ut for me, and I want something that will do that every time, for extensive= live use. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > (Mark Sottilaro) If you want a looper that chases a > > moving clock, the Repeater is king. >=20 > Be warned though that the Midi sync feature of the Repeater can be=20 > a little unreliable (at least it was on my fateful unit). The few=20 > times I synced it to a DJ's laptop, it kept doing random things=20 > like doubling the tempo.... One of these times was at a gig :( > -- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com --=20 ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 03:33:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AF203BED5; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441E2283.10704@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:33:23 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: *First Post* need advice on midi sync looper References: <20060320032758.24A1E1154E0@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20060320032758.24A1E1154E0@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:33:21 +0000 (UTC) The EDP will not follow a changing MIDI clock. Once the clock changes too significantly, the EDP stops trying to sync. It does not change pitch, nor timestretch, at all. -Aaron - wrote: >"I'd think you would want the pitch to *not* change when the midi >clock signal speeds up." > >No, I want it to change, It's all part of my 'organic' approach ;). Im not the slightest bit interested in timestretch/pitchshifting pagan magic. I want it like a reel to reel etc. >If the repeater is in any way unreliable with locking to a clock then I will happily snob its extra features. And by a few reports it is a bit inconsistant in this department. >So, is the EDP rock-solid-bang-on every time. Or is it prone to the odd tamtrum too? >Are these the only two 'pro' candidates for midi syncing and quantizing? > >The "start a loop and have it quantize to MTC" funtion is what it's all about for me, and I want something that will do that every time, for extensive live use. > > > >>>(Mark Sottilaro) If you want a looper that chases a >>>moving clock, the Repeater is king. >>> >>> >>Be warned though that the Midi sync feature of the Repeater can be >>a little unreliable (at least it was on my fateful unit). The few >>times I synced it to a DJ's laptop, it kept doing random things >>like doubling the tempo.... 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The source of these funds is as follows: In the first quarter of 2005 this = committee was mandated to review and award contracts to the tune of over US= $400 million US dollars to a group of five firms for the supply, constructi= on and installation of Oil Pipe lines in Warri and Port Harcourt environs. = During this process my colleagues and I decided and agreed among ourselves = to deliberately over-inflate the total contract sum from US$400million to U= S$416 million with the main intention of sharing the remaining sum of US$16= million amongst ourselves. The Federal Government of Nigeria has since ear= ly this year approved the sum of US$416 million for us as the contract paym= ent, and the sum of US$400 million has also been paid out to the foreign co= mpanies concerned as contract entitlements for the various jobs done, but s= ince the companies are entitled to US$400 million dollars only, we are now = left with US$16 million dollars balance in the account which we intend to d= isburse amongst ourselves quickly, but by virtue of our positions as civil= servants and members of this panel, we cannot do this by ourselves, as w= e are prohibited by the Code of Conduct Bureau(Civil Service laws) from op= ening and/or operating foreign accounts in our names while still in Governm= ent service, making it impossible for us to acquire the money in our names= right now. Consequently, I have therefore been delegated as a matter of tr= ust and urgency by my colleagues in the panel to look for an overseas partn= er into whose account we would transfer the sum of US$16 million. Hence I a= m writing you this letter. My Colleagues and I have agreed that if you or your company can act as the = beneficiary of these funds on our behalf, you or your Company will retain 2= 0% of the total amount (US$16 million), while 60% will be for us (OFFICIALS= ) and the remaining 20% will be used in offsetting all debts/expenses and T= axes incurred both local and foreign in the cause of this transfer. Needles= s to say, the trust reposed on you at this juncture is Enormous. In return = we demand your complete honesty and trust. You must however NOTE therefore,= that this transaction will be strictly based on the following terms and co= nditions as we have stated below; a) Our conviction of your transparent honesty and diligence b) That you would treat this transaction with utmost secrecy and confidenti= ality c) That you will not ask for more share or try to sit on the funds once it = is under your custody, or any form of blackmail. d) That upon receipt of the funds you will release the funds as instructed = by us after you have removed your share of 20% from the total amount. Please, note that this transaction is 100% safe, legal and risk free and we= hope to conclude this transaction 7 bank working days from the date of rec= eipt of the necessary requirements from you. We are looking forward to doin= g business with you and solicit your Total Confidentiality in this transact= ion. There is no cause for alarm. I give you my word that you are completel= y safe in doing business with us. Transactions like this have Been successf= ully carried out in the past by most Government executives. Here in my coun= try there is great economic and political disarray and thus looting and cor= ruption is rampant and the order of the day amongst high ranking government= officials, thus explaining why you might have heard stories of how money = is been looted out of Nigeria most especially by our past Presidents, they = are doing it for their own selfish interest while we are doing it because w= e have to secure a good future for ourselves and our Families, so that when= we retire from active service we do not languish in poverty. Presently we = are grossly underpaid as compared to our counterparts in the western world.= My country is blessed with so many natural resources but the revenue from = these are being embezzled on a daily basis by those in the corridors of pow= er without a thought for others. I will explain more to you when I have hea= rd from you. Please acknowledge the receipt of this letter using the above email address= . I will bring you into the complete picture of this pending business trans= action when I have heard from you and also receive your confidential teleph= one and fax numbers to enable me fax to you all necessary information you n= eed to know about our pending business transaction. I will also forward to = you copy of my International passport so you know whom you are dealing with= . Your urgent response will be highly appreciated to enable us still transf= er the funds under the first financial quarter of the year 2006. Thank you and God Bless. Yours faithfully, Prof. Egudu Jeremiah N.B. PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THIS BUSINESS TRANSACTION IS 100% LEGAL AND CO= MPLETELY FREE FROM TERRORIST, DRUG MONEY OR MONEY LAUNDERING. THIS IS A COM= PLETE LEGITIMATE BUSINESS TRANSACTION. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 04:49:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16CED3BECC; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 04:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , , "The Ambient Way" Subject: the PiNG presents Interweaver and NOT_digital Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:49:00 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000001c64bd9$9aca3f50$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 04:49:00 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto=20 (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station)=20 Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THiS Tuesday March 21st . Interweaver and NOT_digital Leif Bloomquist (Interweaver, Schema Factor) returns to the=20 PiNG; bringing with him a set of electro-ambience incorporating=20 deep sonic drones, playful energetic synth sounds, and=20 manipulated beats. http://www.leifbloomquist.net Braving the 401 to come in from Windsor ON, NOT_digital=20 brings their organic electronica to the PiNG stage for the second=20 set. The past few years have seen NOT_digital grow from a few scribblings in a book to full live performances and a more than full=20 length CD release. It started with simple electronic loops and found=20 sounds sampling, continued with melodic and structural ideas and=20 finished with complex orchestral and vocal harmonies. These all=20 serving to soothe, frustrate, and question both the creators and=20 the listeners. The live performance NOT_digital is Erik Ingalls and=20 Stephen Hargreaves. These sounds are much more alive and=20 intense than those heard captured to a simple CD.=20 http://www.myspace.com/notdigital http://notdigital.on.to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Before Sets CD . Passage by dreamSTATE To start the evening off we return to last year's CD release of=20 dreamSTATE's ambient soundscapes from the Bread & Water=20 multimedia installation in the Huron Historic Gaol. As Passage=20 was inspired by Lynn Harrigan's book of poetry Moon Sea=20 Crossing, this will be a preview of a little of what is to come=20 at next week's PiNG when Lynn joins dreamSTATE and=20 The Devil in the Design for the second set. http://www.dreamstate.to http://www.lynnharrigan.com http://www.myspace.com/ogison Between Sets CD . Terraforms by Sylken This week we feature the latest from Eric Hopper's project=20 Sylken. Featuring a collection of players from the PiNG=20 community as well as some far away friends, Sylken delivers=20 a beautiful series of tracks which once again evoke the project=20 name. Read more about it here in rik's *ping things* CD=20 review below and hear it Tuesday @ the PiNG.=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 COMiNG Tuesday March 28th . Vessel =3D Menno Krant +=20 The Devil in the Design and dreamSTATE with=20 The Devil in the Design + Lynn Harrigan VESSEL; A collaborative performance with=20 Phil Ogison {The Devil in The Design} and Menno Krant Vessel: This project represents the interface of two artistic=20 disciplines, visual art and music. Modern Artist Menno Krant;=20 painter and Phil Ogison; Ambient Guitarist and Electronics=20 Improviser, combine their unique gifts in a series of five=20 performances, which explore the definition of music as fine art=20 and the body as vessel for sound and colour. The first of these=20 performances will take place March 28.06 in Toronto. Menno Krant is a self-taught visionary artist whose unique=20 painting techniques have given him international recognition and=20 acclaim. Mr. Krant has been the subject of many documentaries=20 and scholarly dissertations. Phil Ogison has been involved in=20 the experimental visual and audio art scene since the mid 1960s.=20 He continues to work in both areas with a current emphasis on=20 performing ambient/experimental music with a variety of artists,=20 notably members of the Worthy Records collective and=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG Community in Toronto. Phil's music=20 is available on the world wide web, through ping things=20 and The Canadian Music Centre. http://tditd.tripod.com/vessel http://www.mennokrant.com http://www.myspace.com/ogison To close the evening, a mixed set of ambient electronic=20 soundscapes, sequences and poetry by dreamSTATE=20 with The Devil in The Design and Lynn Harrigan. http://www.dreamstate.to http://www.lynnharrigan.com http://www.myspace.com/ogison . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Sylken . "Terraforms" Eric Hopper's project Sylken returns with "Terraforms", a beautiful=20 example of the ambient ideal. Working with some of the brightest=20 talents in the AMBiENT PiNG community including frequent=20 collaborator Steven Sauve, along with Wally Jericho, Jamie Todd=20 of dreamSTATE, Terry O'Brien of Anomalous Disturbances and=20 Gregory Kyryluk of Alpha Wave Movement, Hopper has collected=20 a series of melodic ambient tracks of great beauty and wonder. >From the throbbing pulse of opening track "Terra Rising", where=20 graceful arpeggios and deep pads blend together with each other=20 to form a delicate web of sound, the listener is caught up in the=20 beauty inherent in all of Sylken's work. A lovely way to start=20 the disc. "Landfalls" follows, a track that suggests a rainforest, an=20 environment rich with vivid colour and beauty, lush keyboard=20 washes bringing to mind thick forests of greenery. A wonderful=20 example of environmental ambience. Track three "Breath of Life" slows down the tempo slightly, a=20 fragile and beautiful piece where occasional piano dances around=20 sweeping soundscapes that pass through the sound field like a=20 slow wind. Fragile and lovely. "Enfoldment" brings about a womb-like listening experience where=20 the senses become focused entirely on the music, Wally Jericho's=20 sax bringing an otherworldly beauty to the piece. "The Shores of Space" is a fine example of space music, a track=20 that evokes the sensation of slow orbits around alien planets.=20 Oblique movement and gently building waves of sound are=20 underscored by soft melodies suggestive of stars. Beautiful. Title track "Terraforms" is a lovely percolating soundscape that=20 brings to mind the birth of planets, continents slowly taking shape=20 over the course of millions of years. Wally Jericho appears again,=20 lovely trumpet work giving the track an organic feeling, the spark=20 of a soul that reminds us that the earth is just as much of a living=20 thing as you or I. "World of One" blends pads and drones, echoing tones and=20 keening notes to suggest a pulse, a heartbeat, the beginnings of=20 life. Subtly shifting tones and the tinkling of glass play throughout,=20 a stunning work of minimalist wonder. Track eight, "Gaia's lament" is a poignant piece, a slowly drifting=20 series of pads that float around the senses, playing on the edge of=20 our awareness. Nuance and infrequent shifts give shape to the track,=20 a million instants of change so subtle that they're lost in the blink=20 of an eye if you aren't already in tune with them. "The Drift of Time" follows, a delicate melodic ambient track=20 where pads rise and fall in strength over top a mesmerizing=20 tonal pattern. Stunning. "Zen Sky", featuring a guest appearance by Gregory Kyryluk of=20 Alpha Wave Movement, closes the disc. A shimmering otherworldly=20 piece filled with glittering notes and musical phrases, "Zen Sky"=20 encapsulates the whole disc experience for the listener.=20 A wonderful piece, and a lovely way to close the disc. Listening to "Terraforms" I can't help but be put under the spell of=20 Sylken's charms. All of the tracks bring to mind a variety of different=20 emotions and feelings throughout the course of the disc's length, a=20 testimony to the talent and artistry inherent in the music that it can = be=20 so evocative. Once again Sylken has succeeded in creating music=20 that brilliantly captures a mood, a feeling, a time and a space.=20 Stunning work that comes highly recommended, as does=20 the rest of the Sylken catalogue. "Terraforms" by Sylken is available now at ping things! http://www.pingthings.com/SYLKENterra.htm Interested in finding out more about Sylken? ping things has an=20 exclusive interview with Eric Hopper in our featured section!=20 Check it out at http://www.pingthings.com/PTfeaturesNF.htm Interested in hearing some tracks from "Terraforms"?=20 Tune into ping things radio every Sunday evening=20 from 9pm to midnight EST at=20 http://www.live365.com/stations/marastorment=20 to hear music from Sylken and other artists=20 in the ping things catalogue! rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Monday March 20th . Marcel Au Coin trio Marcel Au Coin keyboards Chris Banks bass Jake Oelrichs drums 8pm . Dominion on Queen . 500 Queen St. E.=20 (1 light east of parliament) . $5 * Thursday March 23rd . Improvisors' Pool The improvisors' pool is a weekly gathering for musicians who=20 practice collective free improvisation. It welcomes players=20 of all levels and backgrounds. 7:00-9:00 . Ralph Thornton Centre . 765 Queen Street East =20 * Thursday March 23rd . marcel aucoin trio marcel aucoin keyboards chris banks=A0 bass jake oelrichs drums 9:30pm . supermarket 268 augusta avenue=20 * Thursday/Friday March 23rd/24th . Tim Posgate's Jazzstory Tim Posgate, Rob Clutton, Lina Allemano and=20 special guest: Nick Fraser 9pm . The Red Guitar 603 Markham St. =20 * Friday, March 24th . Leftover Daylight Series in association with Arraymusic and AIMT i- Cooney / Haley=A0/ Thomson w/ shannon cooney dancer / geordie haley guitar /=20 scott thomson trombone =20 ii-=A0Fisher / Jovicevic / Piilonen / Shugarman / Sorbara w/=A0=A0colin fisher saxophone / jasna jovicevic reeds /=20 rob piilonen flute / sarah shugarman violin / joe sorbara drums =A0 iii-=A0Dan Pencer Quartet w/ dan pencer saxophone /=A0thom gill guitar / bram gielen bass /=20 matt pencer drums 9pm . ARRAYMUSIC Studio 60 Atlantic Ave., Ste 218 . $10/6 =20 * Friday March 24th . Dave Clark's Woodshed Orchestra w/ special guests: the silent 5 & the Mountainside band =20 The Woodshed Orchestra features the likes of Blake=20 Howard-drums, Doug Friesen-bass & tuba, Michael=20 Johnston-piano & accordion, Tom Howell-violin & piano, Joe Lapinski-guitar and Dave Clark-guitar-vocals & piano.=20 The DCWO will takes some giant steps off of big cliffs and into=20 the freak zone with free form stylings suited to all who would=20 attend. The silent 5 brings about the trace-like momentum of a=20 desert wind. The mountainside band rumbles and rolls its way=20 through the bush and out onto the beach. 10pm . the Tranzac 292 Brunswick Ave . p.w.y.c. =20 * Friday March 24th . CKLN 88.1 and Mark Hundevad present a=20 memorial concert for legendary free jazz trumpeter Raphe Malik. Featuring Sabir Mateen and Kenny Baldwin on saxophones,=20 Brandi Disterheft on bass, and Mark Hundevad on drums, vibes and percussion. 9pm . Cabbagetown Community Arts Center=20 454 Parliament Street . $20 =20 * Friday, March 24th . Synchro presents BENJAMIN BOLES=20 with resident DJs DENISE BENSON & ANDREW ALLSGOOD Andy Poolhall, 489 College St., Toronto no cover before midnight - $5 after - 19+ =20 * Saturday March 25th . vague terrain presents... 11t1 / I am robot and proud / sourfly /=20 dj ether.mann - vague terrain / vj / nokami This month we will be showcasing a trio of producers working=20 within the always-ambiguous territories of IDM. This event will=20 be the official launch Toronto based 11t1's debut album "tracks"=20 to be released on the Suburb record label (out of London) this=20 spring. 11t1, will be playing a variety of "pop-influenced,=20 jazz-tinged, hip-hop misappropriated, quasi-generative" material=20 from this new album at our event. Our second guest is I am Robot=20 and Proud who will be premiering some of his signature electronic=20 pop from his forthcoming album "The Electricity in your House=20 wants to Sing" due out later this month on Darla records. Last=20 but not least is a (fairly rare) set by bleep n' bass studio shut-in=20 Sourfly. Rounding out the night will be a VJ performance by=20 Nokami and an opening DJ set by vague terrain resident=20 ether.mann. 9pm - 2am . art bar / the gladstone hotel 1214 queen st. west . $5 * Sunday March 26th . The NOW Series presented by AIMT and the NOW Lounge 2-3:30- Nick Fraser=92s grant writing workshop =A0 4:00- "Unconscious 3" John Wilson - Guitar, Jay Hay - Saxophones, Eric Allen - Drums =A0 5:00- Nilan Perera - Guitar / Colin Fisher - Sax & Guitar =A0 6:00- TBA NOW Lounge, 189 Church St. . $6 =20 =20 * Sunday March 26th . HENRY KAISER, LUKAS LIGETI,=20 JOHN OSWALD, MICHAEL SNOW & CASEY SOKOL 8 PM . The Music Gallery, 197 John St., Toronto all ages . $20 regular/$15 member + senior/$10 student =20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live=20 performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and=20 experimental music artists plus performers from around the world,=20 every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor.=20 http://www.theambientping.com=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in=20 live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to=20 any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 06:29:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62C663BED2; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 06:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:23:34 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <441E4A66.3090000@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_05M4ccWZG+xXNNGraUmZRg)" X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 06:29:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_05M4ccWZG+xXNNGraUmZRg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT altho' it will be considered "old and glitchy" by most, one of the best cheap guitar synth purchases i've made is a korg x911. it has a 1/4" audio input, so you can use anything, not just guitar, as a controller. it's main functions are either a monosynth very similar to the ms10 or a unique polyphonic filter effect with fairly precise envelope-shaping capability and optional distortion. as a monosynth w/guitar controller, i've been able to get some great analog synthbass as well as higher octave flute-type leads. since i've learned to play with a very clean staccato technique, i've encountered very little glitching or lag. the triggering is pretty much instantaneous. as a polyphonic filter effect w/guitar controller, the results are more varied. you can get an eh micro-synth type of sound with dirt and wank. you can get cleaner synth-like tones. in this mode the original sound source is being processed, and when you play polyphonically, glitching abounds, but i love it and have learned to more or less control it's intensity and frequency of occurrence. the glitching has a burbling musicality to it and not at all like the glitching on a gr700. the greatest asset of the x911 is being able to send anything through it. the monosynth works amazingly with strictly monophonic sources such as voice and electronic wind instruments. the filter effect can tranform mediocre drum machines into a grimy vortex of groove. after owning one for over five years, i still use it regularly and rarely pass up a chance to rave about it. hey i didn't know the vg-8's had dropped that much in price! wow, maybe time to pick one up... shayne ....still waiting for my dd20...on back order...sigh > I want something that will take the guitar as signal and allow me to > do synth-like manipulation of it. I already have a GR-33 but the > latency on fast passages drives me nuts. > > The Roland VG technology can probably give you what you're looking > for, with no latency (since it processes the existing signal, rather > than using MIDI conversion, or "pitch-to-glitch" as it's occasionally > known. > > The original Roland VG-8 has been going for pretty good prices over on > Ebay. I picked up one a couple months ago for a little over $250 > (excellent condition, and included a flight case and extra Boss EV-5 > expression pedal). I've seen 'em going for as little as ~$150 for the > VG-8 alone. It requires a GK pickup, but I've seen used GK-2a's > passing for $60-90, which puts the whole setup at just a little over > your budget. --Boundary_(ID_05M4ccWZG+xXNNGraUmZRg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT altho' it will be considered "old and glitchy" by most,  one of the best cheap guitar synth purchases i've made is a korg x911. it has a 1/4" audio input, so you can use anything, not just guitar, as a controller. it's main  functions are either a monosynth very similar to the ms10 or a unique polyphonic filter effect with fairly precise envelope-shaping capability and optional distortion.
as a monosynth w/guitar controller, i've been able to get some great analog synthbass as well as higher octave flute-type leads. since i've learned to play with a very clean staccato technique, i've encountered very little glitching or lag. the triggering is pretty much instantaneous.
as a polyphonic filter effect w/guitar controller, the results are more varied. you can get an eh micro-synth type of sound with dirt and wank. you can get cleaner synth-like tones. in this mode the original sound source is being processed, and when you play polyphonically, glitching abounds, but i love it and have learned to more or less control it's intensity and frequency of occurrence. the glitching has a burbling musicality to it and not at all like the glitching on a gr700.
the greatest asset of the x911 is being able to send anything through it. the monosynth works amazingly with strictly monophonic sources such as voice and electronic wind instruments. the filter effect can tranform mediocre drum machines into a grimy vortex of groove. after owning one for over five years, i still use it regularly and rarely pass up a chance to rave about it.
hey i didn't know the vg-8's had dropped that much in price! wow, maybe time to pick one up...

shayne
....still waiting for my dd20...on back order...sigh

I want something that will take the guitar as signal and allow me to do synth-like manipulation of it.  I already have a GR-33 but the latency on fast passages drives me nuts.

The Roland VG technology can probably give you what you're looking for, with no latency (since it processes the existing signal, rather than using MIDI conversion, or "pitch-to-glitch" as it's occasionally known.

The original Roland VG-8 has been going for pretty good prices over on Ebay.  I picked up one a couple months ago for a little over $250 (excellent condition, and included a flight case and extra Boss EV-5 expression pedal).  I've seen 'em going for as little as ~$150 for the VG-8 alone.  It requires a GK pickup, but I've seen used GK-2a's passing for $60-90, which puts the whole setup at just a little over your budget.
--Boundary_(ID_05M4ccWZG+xXNNGraUmZRg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 12:01:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1088B3BEC5; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAEUkHkSFVIIXLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060320115637.02c30eb0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:59:16 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links In-Reply-To: <20060320032551.8C5D43BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060320032551.8C5D43BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:01:15 +0000 (UTC) At 03:25 20/03/06, you wrote: >Here is the playlist, currently just Y2K5 recordings: > >http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u > >Kris nice! now I have Ted Killian playing......excellent apparently the m3u format won't work on Firefox tho' ...do any mac users get the stream to work? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 12:17:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 751F13BEE0; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:17:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <10df01c64b73$9d5b5ad0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <008d01c64b47$0bf080b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <10df01c64b73$9d5b5ad0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: more streams Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:13:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:17:35 +0000 (UTC) On 19 mar 2006, at 17.38, Kris Hartung wrote: > http://www.boisemusicians.com/y2k5.m3u Streaming back fine here in iTunes on a Mac ;-) Artists name coming up in the display. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 12:52:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 460373BEDA; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441EA59B.1050308@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:52:43 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links References: <20060320032551.8C5D43BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060320115637.02c30eb0@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060320115637.02c30eb0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0dN5dD.A.IL.kWqHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Works just fine here - PC, Firefox and windows media player all the way. Andr'. a k butler wrote: > At 03:25 20/03/06, you wrote: >> Here is the playlist, currently just Y2K5 recordings: >> >> http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u >> >> Kris > > nice! > > now I have Ted Killian playing......excellent > > apparently the m3u format won't work on Firefox tho' > > ...do any mac users get the stream to work? > > andy butler > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 13:43:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D172A3BEDA; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAGRAHkSFVIIXLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060320120444.02c34010@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:40:38 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <20060320001321.497E03BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060320001321.497E03BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:43:12 +0000 (UTC) >If your broke, listen to Andy and get some sort of >distortion with some filters. Couple that with a >volume pedal (I like mine after the distortion and >before the filter and delay) and you can get some >pretty synthy tones out of your guitar with no >glitching. Add and ebow and fun will result. yep, that's the ticket. After, what's an analog synth but an oscillator running through a filter. The guitar becomes the oscillator, so you just need a filter. Then all the distortion does is add a load of harmonics (changing the "oscillator waveform" ) which give the filter more to work on. Even the common wah-wah can sound synthy, if you put the distortion in front of it. If you can get a filter that triggers on each note, that helps, ..and a similar, but more organic sound can be had if the filter frequency responds to the volume of your playing (envelope follower). The EH micro-synth has an octave divider too, that's actually a synthesized tone an octave below the one you put in ( so if you play more than one note it really glitches). So if you go for a simple distortion> filter setup you could always add an octave divider later (Boss OC2 is recommended). The Akai MFC-42 filter is available cheap these days, that's probably worth checking out (I've never tried one, but Per recommends) I actually have, and use the Line 6 Filter Pro. It does have synth sounds as well as filters, so worth checking out. I have to say though, that I'm not totally won over by it. Although it produces a lot of different sounds in one box the synth tones are very "digital" sounding, especially in the upper registers. ( either bad programming by line 6, or just that they didn't have the processing power to do it properly). I had to work quite hard to get sounds I thought were acceptable. other cheap filters MAM Warp 9 , the most synth like, but difficult to program. MAM Res 3 , easy to use, ...quirky Zoom 1201 has a set of nice auto-filters, some of them triggered, and some responding to envelope. andy butler www.andybutler.com info & mp3s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 13:54:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2948E3BED5; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.120.111.25] X-Originating-Email: [bootstick@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bootstick@hotmail.com Reply-To: contact@danmayfield.com In-Reply-To: <441EA59B.1050308@post.cybercity.dk> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT (ish) Role of a laptop in music Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:54:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2006 13:54:07.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1961FE0:01C64C25] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi all I'm writing an essay on 'the wider role of the laptop in music' I have to research three different styles where it is used, I thought I might just throw this into the 'community' if anyone has any interesting input it would be appreciated. Styles that spring to mind so far are, experimental, electronic(a) and some kind of beat orientated music Cheers Dan web.mac.com/danmayfield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 13:59:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26DE53BEDD; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441EB53F.6060308@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:59:27 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: contact@danmayfield.com Subject: Re: OT (ish) Role of a laptop in music References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't that more or less one genre? experimental, beat oriented electronic music? ;-) I'd take a close look on the experimental side of it, esp. the IDM and perhaps noise-genres, some of which use custom scripting to generate output - this approach is getting pretty close to AI-participation and it's very interesting to see and hear software interacting with the player in quite complex ways. Andreas Dan Mayfield wrote: > > Hi all > > I'm writing an essay on 'the wider role of the laptop in music' I have > to research three different styles where it is used, I thought I might > just throw this into the 'community' if anyone has any interesting input > it would be appreciated. Styles that spring to mind so far are, > experimental, electronic(a) and some kind of beat orientated music > > Cheers > Dan > web.mac.com/danmayfield > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 14:09:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 807343BEE1; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,111,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="100572540:sNHT19549728" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060320120444.02c34010@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060320001321.497E03BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060320120444.02c34010@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <17A5FADF-EE84-48DA-9EE9-2B3F6DBE8FC2@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:09:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:09:33 +0000 (UTC) The Adrenalinn can do all of this, too. It has a variety of filters (the step filter is pretty cool) along with what I find to be nice sounding amp sims (you can turn them off) and a very strange drum machine (also can be turned off). Used = $300 or so, these days. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Mar 20, 2006, at 7:40 AM, a k butler wrote: > >> If your broke, listen to Andy and get some sort of >> distortion with some filters. Couple that with a >> volume pedal (I like mine after the distortion and >> before the filter and delay) and you can get some >> pretty synthy tones out of your guitar with no >> glitching. Add and ebow and fun will result. > > yep, that's the ticket. > > After, what's an analog synth but an oscillator running through a > filter. > > The guitar becomes the oscillator, so you just need a filter. > Then all the distortion does is add a load of harmonics (changing > the "oscillator waveform" ) > which give the filter more to work on. > > Even the common wah-wah can sound synthy, if you put the distortion > in front of it. > > If you can get a filter that triggers on each note, that helps, > ..and a similar, but more organic sound can be had if the filter > frequency > responds to the volume of your playing (envelope follower). > > The EH micro-synth has an octave divider too, > that's actually a synthesized tone an octave below the one you put in > ( so if you play more than one note it really glitches). > So if you go for a simple distortion> filter setup you could > always add an octave divider later (Boss OC2 is recommended). > > The Akai MFC-42 filter is available cheap these days, that's > probably worth checking out > (I've never tried one, but Per recommends) > > I actually have, and use the Line 6 Filter Pro. > It does have synth sounds as well as filters, so worth checking out. > I have to say though, that I'm not totally won over by it. > Although it produces a lot of different sounds in one box the synth > tones are > very "digital" sounding, especially in the upper registers. > ( either bad programming by line 6, or just that they didn't have > the processing power to do it properly). > I had to work quite hard to get sounds I thought were acceptable. > > other cheap filters > > MAM Warp 9 , the most synth like, but difficult to program. > > MAM Res 3 , easy to use, ...quirky > > Zoom 1201 has a set of nice auto-filters, some of them triggered, > and some responding to envelope. > > andy butler > www.andybutler.com info & mp3s > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 14:44:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FC643BED5; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'a k butler'" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:44:04 +0100 Message-ID: <00e401c64c2c$bc67f780$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZMJq1+Q4arU2bPSg6tc8sunepB1wABbhyQ In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060320115637.02c30eb0@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:44:08 +0000 (UTC) > apparently the m3u format won't work on Firefox tho' yes it does, but you first have to install an mp3 player software, such as Winamp. Winamp would register the m3u filetype and tell the browser that you use. You can also install it manually I think. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 14:56:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103A73BEDF; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <00e401c64c2c$bc67f780$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <00e401c64c2c$bc67f780$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:56:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:56:44 +0000 (UTC) >> apparently the m3u format won't work on Firefox tho' > On 20 mar 2006, at 15.44, Michael Peters wrote: > yes it does, but you first have to install an mp3 player software, > such as > Winamp. If you use a Mac you do not have to install an mp3 player, since iTunes is already part of the system. Kris streaming link opened fine in OS X / iTunes here, but not Andy's. Maybe Andy and Kris can compare their scripting text files to solve this? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 15:13:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390C23BED3; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441EC6B0.10800@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:13:52 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links References: <00e401c64c2c$bc67f780$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <00e401c64c2c$bc67f780$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Hm. This is my work machine and it had Windows media player on it out of the box, as far as I know - it reads m3u without problems. andreas. Michael Peters wrote: >> apparently the m3u format won't work on Firefox tho' > > yes it does, but you first have to install an mp3 player software, such as > Winamp. Winamp would register the m3u filetype and tell the browser that you > use. You can also install it manually I think. > > -Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 16:06:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 436023BED8; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MSnwivAOrK2bK8GlywXir795Pt7DCvSn7OcB1/EjSvsKGStGiPiwznFO+tOVIbmwjpJySq5A573UAgfkZz/Z4nBKclEqnw7LHLPmkvr070oJdNDSKXPlV1V+z8YDq8Z9UhtjLZKWXlx7QFHpvVHs/KADTf9cu6cvudKrWy6slSM= ; Message-ID: <20060320160613.11399.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:06:13 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: best cheap gtr synth..../role of laptop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060320135935.A90423BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-558613615-1142870773=:6015" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:06:15 +0000 (UTC) --0-558613615-1142870773=:6015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit best cheap gtr synth- well you could get a digitech synth wah, it's cheap and works well (for me). any cheap o multi-effects unit (i currently use digitech rp100 and zoom g2-together) that can combine a pitchshifting option w/ some type of filtering (envelope, etc) and use it in conjuction w/ volume pedal works well. the funny thing is the preset on my g2 that is dedicated as the "gtr synth" sounds nothing like a gtr synth to me. role of laptop- well if you're going to tackle this, i think that you'd want to be familiar w/ the different types of cds/music that uses this technology.(and boy i bet there are lots out there) to me, i think it needs to be divided into, is it an instrument or just a tool for recording? if its a tool for recording, to me it seems like that is dominated by dance music (which usually uses loops)-and i don't know too much about current dance music. but the thing it offers is easy and portabiltiy--the ex. i remember reading about was creator of 'alias' tv show came up w/ the theme song for show on flight back to US on his laptop-and the theme was that techno-oriented dance style (which i thought sounded cool back in '01)...and i'm sure there are 100s of stories of artists/musicians who work like this and put out music, i just don't know of all/others... i only know of a few people (and i know there are more, just my limited resources and time)-but the ones who use the laptop as an instrument, from what i've heard, have been jim o'rourke (don't have that album), fennesz, and oren ambarchi....all 3 are guitarists, and 2 albums i've heard of each of the last 2, generally tend to be processed noise, that at times borders on ambient music....which if i were to catagorize, would probably be placed under "experimental"--they seem to be the leading lights of 'underground, small -independant-based labels' (whatever that means)...the other source would to be to look at the mego and touch labels, seems to be lots of folks there. since there have been lots of 'laptop' threads here, you'll probably want to get the advice of those who use it in their different capacities. my 2 cents....s---- --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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best cheap gtr synth-
well you could get a digitech synth wah, it's cheap and works well (for me).
any cheap o multi-effects unit (i currently use digitech rp100 and zoom g2-together)
that can combine a pitchshifting option w/ some type of filtering (envelope, etc)
and use it in conjuction w/ volume pedal works well.
the funny thing is the preset on my g2 that is dedicated as the "gtr synth" sounds nothing like a gtr synth to me.
 
role of laptop-
well if you're going to tackle this, i think that you'd want to be familiar w/ the different types of cds/music that uses this technology.(and boy i bet there are lots out there)
to me, i think it needs to be divided into, is it an instrument or just a tool for recording?
if its a tool for recording, to me it seems like that is dominated by dance music (which usually uses loops)-and i don't know too much about current dance music. but the thing it offers is easy and portabiltiy--the ex. i remember reading about was creator of 'alias' tv show came up w/ the theme song for show on flight back to US on his laptop-and the theme was that techno-oriented dance style (which i thought sounded cool back in '01)...and i'm sure there are 100s of stories of artists/musicians who work like this and put out music, i just don't know of all/others...
i only know of a few people (and i know there are more, just my limited resources and time)-but the ones who use the laptop as an instrument, from what i've heard, have been jim o'rourke (don't have that album), fennesz, and oren ambarchi....all 3 are guitarists, and 2 albums i've heard of each of the last 2, generally tend to be processed noise, that at times borders on ambient music....which if i were to catagorize, would probably be placed under "experimental"--they seem to be the leading lights of 'underground, small -independant-based labels' (whatever that means)...the other source would to be to look at the mego and touch labels, seems to be lots of folks there.
since there have been lots of 'laptop' threads here, you'll probably want to get the advice of those who use it in their different capacities.
my 2 cents....s----

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Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-558613615-1142870773=:6015-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 17:45:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EF973BED3; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1142876710!23786159!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F5D@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Knustford in May (was: what a loop has to say) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:45:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C64C46.080784D0" Resent-Message-ID: <7qBJVB.A.MfG.pouHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:45:13 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64C46.080784D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" indeed I have, & thoroughly enjoyed it. will submit you a more in-depth "review" in due course, though it was what prompted me to offer to send you some of our other, less electronic works of years past. d. -----Original Message----- From: mungenast@earthlink.net [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: 17 March 2006 18:55 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Knustford in May (was: what a loop has to say) Thanks for the background info! BTW, have you had a chance to listen to "The Un-stableboy" yet, in both seconds of your spare time? ;-) ~Tim *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64C46.080784D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" RE: Knustford in May (was: what a loop has to say)
indeed I have, & thoroughly enjoyed it. will submit you a more in-depth "review" in due course, though it was what prompted me to offer to send you some of our other, less electronic works of years past.
d.
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Thanks for the background info!
 
BTW, have you had a chance to listen to "The Un-stableboy" yet, in both seconds of your spare time?
;-)
 
~Tim
 


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64C46.080784D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 18:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC43E3BECA; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1142877665!44131754!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F5E@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: gesamtkunstwerk Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:01:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C64C48.40971FC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:01:07 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64C48.40971FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>>This is one of the examples where it requires you to incorporate the tech failures into the Gesamtkunstwerk (a term coined by Richard Wagner to describe music, lyrics, theatre elements and everything around it becoming one big piece of art)...I remember having a repeater dropping out of sync during a performance while I was singing, so I started to sing lyrics about people subjected to equipment failures and did a call and response thing with the repeater resyncing and dropping out again...<< > > (Mark Sottilaro) If you want a looper that chases a moving > clock, the > > Repeater is king. > > Be warned though that the Midi sync feature of the Repeater > can be a little unreliable (at least it was on my fateful > unit). The few times I synced it to a DJ's laptop, it kept > doing random things like doubling the tempo.... > One of these times was at a gig :( > -- > Stuart Wyatt<<< aiiieeee!...... amongst these three posts lies the truth..... caveat loop-or. I can add thusly: the repeater is indeed great at following an external clock, & doing what it sees fit by way of time compression or stretching to make the loops fit the new tempo. it does occasionally decide to go to double tempo /but only (in my case) when recording a new loop from scratch & the external clock is still selected but absent/. this seems to confuse it. & it will occasionally do stuff like this when you are on stage or on the radio. mine has stopped suddenly when it was carrying the bulk of a performance (i.e. we were resting some sporadic noises on a bed of loopiness when the loopiness suddenly went away). it says stuff like "not ready" or "cfc too slow" seemingly at random, when at other times the same combination of operations doesn't seem to bother it. can cfc get fragmented? "honour thy mistake as a hidden intention" says fripp, & there's something similar from john bonham about "if you make a mistake, do it two or three times so people think you meant it that way"..... so if the repeater drops out suddenly, we pretend it was supposed to. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64C48.40971FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: gesamtkunstwerk

>>>This is one of the examples where it requires= you to incorporate the tech
failures into the Gesamtkunstwerk (a term coined by Rich= ard Wagner to
describe music, lyrics, theatre elements and everything = around it becoming
one big piece of art)...I remember having a repeater dro= pping out of sync
during a performance while I was singing, so I started t= o sing lyrics about
people subjected to equipment failures and did a call an= d response thing
with the repeater resyncing and dropping out again...<= ;<
> > (Mark Sottilaro) If you want a looper that cha= ses a moving
> clock, the
> > Repeater is king.
>
> Be warned though that the Midi sync feature of the = Repeater
> can be a little unreliable (at least it was on my f= ateful
> unit). The few times I synced it to a DJ's laptop, = it kept
> doing random things like doubling the tempo....
> One of these times was at a gig :(
> --
> Stuart Wyatt<<<

aiiieeee!...... amongst these three posts lies the truth.= .... caveat loop-or.

I can add thusly: the repeater is indeed great at followi= ng an external clock, & doing what it sees fit by way of time compressi= on or stretching to make the loops fit the new tempo. it does occasionally = decide to go to double tempo /but only (in my case) when recording a new lo= op from scratch & the external clock is still selected but absent/. thi= s seems to confuse it.

& it will occasionally do stuff like this when you ar= e on stage or on the radio. mine has stopped suddenly when it was carrying = the bulk of a performance (i.e. we were resting some sporadic noises on a b= ed of loopiness when the loopiness suddenly went away). it says stuff like = "not ready" or "cfc too slow" seemingly at random, when= at other times the same combination of operations doesn't seem to bother i= t. can cfc get fragmented?

"honour thy mistake as a hidden intention" says= fripp, & there's something similar from john bonham about "if you= make a mistake, do it two or three times so people think you meant it that= way"..... so if the repeater drops out suddenly, we pretend it was su= pposed to.

d.



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1.I am glad you liked it!
2. I look forward to your further feedback.
3. Since I so enjoyed your previous Audio Care Packages, I would grate= fully receive anything else of yours that you felt like sending "Stateside.= "
 
Yours in the Joy of Sound,
Tim



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indeed I have, & thoroughly enjoyed it. wi= ll submit you a more in-depth "review" in due course, though it was what pr= ompted me to offer to send you some of our other, less electronic works of = years past.
d.
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Thanks for the background info!
 
BTW, have you had a chance to listen to "The Un-stableboy" yet, in bot= h seconds of your spare time?
;-)
 
~Tim
 


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= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 19:12:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3B3E3BEDA; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k4s9N7cYpuLZyImu5ukyzdknU64n+uTQ7Ut5FXm3F6sfzf9LVXWavNlJJbGNSwPElZFOom0COtrCKpB8760CUQCPgZqxnSPjOQ21CMNcEltv1l4OjjY2PL+s4VlQHgQn30u0MS//JCwrYUI7t6jbbpCtYOcuUg7w06ojJ7SU394= Message-ID: <64b81a780603201112q4930e908sefa0f304836832a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:12:17 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Martin C. Herberg In-Reply-To: <20060319100707.45457.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0be301c649ee$c49dae30$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060319100707.45457.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:12:19 +0000 (UTC) I'd love to hear that Paint It Black. It's the only Stone's song I can stomach and that sounds like an exciting treatment of it. Thanks for the info. I intend to look him up on the web. :) Todd On 3/19/06, Luis Angulo wrote: > I saw Martin C. Herberg last night very impressive > show!he did beautiful sounscapes using old delay units > and his new axon chip synth but what impressed me the > most was his mind blowing version of paint it black > with no effects not even reverb in a drop D tuning, > playing a drone alternating the E and D strings with > his thumb in 3/4 and putting a comb between his > spanish guitar strings while playing the melody with a > flying flamenco tremolo technique,then he kept > changing keys,counterpointing keeping the melody going > applying strange harmonies and detuning all the > strings while playing to complete chaos and > dissonance,just awesome! > i saw him 8 years ago doing loops back then but now he > seems obssesed with echos instead,very inspiring! > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 19:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AC6F3BED3; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ajpmMJMJck2uz7kgtffO0Xb7ylDDc+0s8XsFSNNbfHA8dwS6FeWLO7jYQU7g/Hm320FBx8zVZp9VXxa4z8vl7WQVE5usqPrbLcQxzwqHOBojLJ7T+/l7HQK5wKxDLvHTapMIK1pNAYRbAEmXmMD5sckJWP3SqiiwXSg1DBzdz9E= Message-ID: <64b81a780603201128o716161b9r9d54446ea76734be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:28:24 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: "Loopers' Delight" Subject: Re: Help! not enough hands.... In-Reply-To: <64b81a780603201125s4ec2f4a5k63707ffbcf21cb24@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000a01c64b78$73625260$a33d0852@johnathakdlqtw> <64b81a780603201125s4ec2f4a5k63707ffbcf21cb24@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7f-ClB.A.dNE.ZJwHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (Forwarded to the list as my initial reply apparently went straight to Jon.= ) As far as foot controllers are concerned, the Behringer FCB1010 will probably take care of all your needs and is only $150. Great value there. Throw in $50 or so for a USB<->MIDI interface and you're good to go. Chances are you could just control Battery with the FCB and accomplish everything you want. I'm not sure how complicated your MIDI commands to Battery need to be, but each button of the FCB can send 5 PCs, a Note, and 2 CCs at the same time. You get 100 of those buttons or patches (in banks of 10) plus the two expression pedals. Good Luck, Todd On 3/19/06, jon attwood wrote: > > I currently use a laptop running NI Battery which is loaded with loops. > These are triggered externally using an ancient Boss DR-5 Dr.Rhythm using > notes in patterns to MIDI trigger loops. Seems a strange setup maybe, bu= t > this is done as the DR-5 has footswitch control to move from one pattern = to > the next. This means that i can set the tempo on it and, rather than be > stuck with a fixed 'backing track', can shift from one section / batch of > loops to the next when it feels right by hitting the pattern advance via = the > footswitch. > > So, the question... do any of you know of another way i could do this, > removing the DR-5 from the equation. Basically, some software which can = run > the loops (either singly or overlayed) and be shifted from one loop to th= e > next with some sort of foot controller. (i also will be playing guitar an= d > using RC-20 and DL-4 on top so have my hands full!) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 19:43:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C660D3BEDC; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c601c64c56$89e62e60$e1b3ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00e401c64c2c$bc67f780$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:43:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 505, in=244174, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:43:36 +0000 (UTC) My whole m3u script basically look like this: #EXTINF: Y2K5 - Adrian West http://www.box.net/public/static/3olpjy2eqd.mp3 #EXTINF: Rick's Intro - Andy Butler - Y2K5 http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/00-ricks-intro.mp3 #EXTINF: Kasaundi - Andy Butler - Y2K5 http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/01-kasaundi.mp3 #EXTINF: Aquarium 2 - Andy Butler - Y2K5 http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/02-aquarium2.mp3 ...and so on The only difference I could see with Any's file is that it started with: #EXTM3U Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links >>> apparently the m3u format won't work on Firefox tho' >> On 20 mar 2006, at 15.44, Michael Peters wrote: > >> yes it does, but you first have to install an mp3 player software, >> such as >> Winamp. > > If you use a Mac you do not have to install an mp3 player, since > iTunes is already part of the system. Kris streaming link opened fine > in OS X / iTunes here, but not Andy's. Maybe Andy and Kris can > compare their scripting text files to solve this? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=128679560&s=143456 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 19:49:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B31C83BED5; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:49:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=g3L/OxefYu2uB4Msivuwo3tWZe5P9BpqV/op1ED/3oYLcscseduHRgf/B8srWuDj; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <32293213.1142883003158.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:30:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: myspace crashed? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406fa090ee83938b292e05f9f6db6e7c8b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: <7cvqkB.A.lQF.OdwHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:49:34 +0000 (UTC) Is it just me, or has myspace crashed again? I've not been able to access it all day. ~Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 20:37:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3854B3BED3; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Pi4atq0phFmLrQlfaaZsu1a3SDADKKAJYvajq2xUE0Cue//Crcym8HirYCR9iwrF; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <9835262.1142882542374.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:22:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Martin C. Herberg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94052db8faf9c331234b3f54c3281eae6f9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Gawd, I wish I'd been there! ~Tim www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.mungenast.com -----Original Message----- >From: Todd Pafford >Sent: Mar 20, 2006 2:12 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Martin C. Herberg > >I'd love to hear that Paint It Black. It's the only Stone's song I >can stomach and that sounds like an exciting treatment of it. Thanks >for the info. I intend to look him up on the web. :) > >Todd > >On 3/19/06, Luis Angulo wrote: >> I saw Martin C. Herberg last night very impressive >> show!he did beautiful sounscapes using old delay units >> and his new axon chip synth but what impressed me the >> most was his mind blowing version of paint it black >> with no effects not even reverb in a drop D tuning, >> playing a drone alternating the E and D strings with >> his thumb in 3/4 and putting a comb between his >> spanish guitar strings while playing the melody with a >> flying flamenco tremolo technique,then he kept >> changing keys,counterpointing keeping the melody going >> applying strange harmonies and detuning all the >> strings while playing to complete chaos and >> dissonance,just awesome! >> i saw him 8 years ago doing loops back then but now he >> seems obssesed with echos instead,very inspiring! >> Luis >> >> www.luis-angulo.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 21:16:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AA323BEDE; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c64c63$9dc53c20$2c032052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <20060320001321.497E03BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060320120444.02c34010@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:16:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy, I wondered about the differences in quality and tracking between the Filter Pro and the stomp box version - I imagine that the differences in audio spec/features are the same as the DL4/Echo-Pro (both of which I have). I'm interested in using a filter unit of some kind on flute and saxes. Thanks. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:40 PM Subject: Re: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth > >>If your broke, listen to Andy and get some sort of >>distortion with some filters. Couple that with a >>volume pedal (I like mine after the distortion and >>before the filter and delay) and you can get some >>pretty synthy tones out of your guitar with no >>glitching. Add and ebow and fun will result. > > yep, that's the ticket. > > After, what's an analog synth but an oscillator running through a filter. > > The guitar becomes the oscillator, so you just need a filter. > Then all the distortion does is add a load of harmonics (changing the > "oscillator waveform" ) > which give the filter more to work on. > > Even the common wah-wah can sound synthy, if you put the distortion in > front of it. > > If you can get a filter that triggers on each note, that helps, > ..and a similar, but more organic sound can be had if the filter frequency > responds to the volume of your playing (envelope follower). > > The EH micro-synth has an octave divider too, > that's actually a synthesized tone an octave below the one you put in > ( so if you play more than one note it really glitches). > So if you go for a simple distortion> filter setup you could > always add an octave divider later (Boss OC2 is recommended). > > The Akai MFC-42 filter is available cheap these days, that's probably > worth checking out > (I've never tried one, but Per recommends) > > I actually have, and use the Line 6 Filter Pro. > It does have synth sounds as well as filters, so worth checking out. > I have to say though, that I'm not totally won over by it. > Although it produces a lot of different sounds in one box the synth tones > are > very "digital" sounding, especially in the upper registers. > ( either bad programming by line 6, or just that they didn't have the > processing power to do it properly). > I had to work quite hard to get sounds I thought were acceptable. > > other cheap filters > > MAM Warp 9 , the most synth like, but difficult to program. > > MAM Res 3 , easy to use, ...quirky > > Zoom 1201 has a set of nice auto-filters, some of them triggered, and some > responding to envelope. > > andy butler > www.andybutler.com info & mp3s > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 21:45:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FCEB3BECD; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441F2276.9070006@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:45:26 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > Can you share what you are using? I'm interesting in something that > is compact but also high quality. I did use a Multiface from RME, very high quality, but no Mic preamps. Since my 15" Powerbook was stolen I was forced to switch to a 12" Powerbook, I ran it with an old 828 and with a Quatafire 610. The Quatafire I really love, decent quality for the price (of course not the same as the Multiface, but for live its definitely good enough). Big advantage: its bus powered and has 2 Midi ins and outs, and is the smallest interface available, fits in your pocket. Recommended... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 22:21:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65BEF3BEDF; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441F2A29.1020306@speakeasy.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:18:17 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s References: <20060320184945.9DEE23BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060320184945.9DEE23BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, if I wanted to add the ability to pitch shift loops to my stereo EDP+ setup, what piece of gear would you recommend? Thanks, Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 22:24:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AA6A3BEE0; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:24:27 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c64c6d$0d1d5450$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <441F2A29.1020306@speakeasy.net> Thread-Index: AcZMbKLpwLMYoaozQtaaGybsbnbhFQAAEQjA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <482JN.A.hbF.guyHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Do you want to shift the input or the output only, or both? Do you want = to have loops that move up in pitch each turn around? Are you ok with using = a mixer in addition to the EDPs and the shifter? How much do you want to spend?=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Dennis Montgomery [mailto:morpheus@speakeasy.net]=20 > Gesendet: Montag, 20. M=E4rz 2006 23:18 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > if I wanted to add the ability to pitch shift loops to my=20 > stereo EDP+ setup, what piece of gear would you recommend?=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Dennis >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 22:32:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A78433BEE8; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qlCoTFhECZxagIUtho6cqYaPsgzHBmj1P/owW3UU03HyxAbukB1EJKBTwhfrpOoaDYgLrdUmCiGNLVrVj72FexhrDXOR3rKMkdj8Vpmp/Utsut38WfyqI5iUjqrWyc1Jn70/y0KRSzWi+5LyMGzw5TvI5Mi7Ix/siWTE2hc/Nvc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <441F2A29.1020306@speakeasy.net> References: <20060320184945.9DEE23BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> <441F2A29.1020306@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4E4DE1F4-04AF-4723-818B-79B5252E7B06@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:32:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <_rpPU.A.K3F.V2yHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:32:53 +0000 (UTC) On 20 mar 2006, at 23.18, Dennis Montgomery wrote: > if I wanted to add the ability to pitch shift loops to my stereo EDP > + setup, what piece of gear would you recommend? A repeater is fine for pitch shifting that keeps the loop length intact. Mobius software looper for Win XP does it well without time- stretching, like a sampler. Time-stretching is coming to Mobius though, but still in beta. Many external hardware effect processors does fine pitch transposing. Myself I have a TC Electronics FireworX that I'm very happy with. I have also tried an Eventide Eclipse that did fine pitch shifting. There is also the POG from TC Electronics that sounds good when transposing audio. I think there are some more that I can't remember right now, but others may chime in on pitch shifting....? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 22:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C48D63BEE4; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008001c64c6e$c4f5e280$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:36:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 505, in=244468, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all the songs, everyone! I have 64 of them in the playlist now. http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u I've been using the MusicMatch software to listen to the list, which seems to work great too. Keep 'em coming! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 22:56:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98CDB3BEDA; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ab01c64c71$71ae6db0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441F2276.9070006@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:55:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 505, in=244497, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the tip, Stefan. Your info led me to this website: http://digitalaudioworks.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=129 It shows the Indigo PCMCIA cards, but the RME card too. I think PCMCIA route is the best for me...I'd rather not have an extra device attached to my notebook. Hence, what I have now for PCMCIA options are: 1. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=204&product=10769 - $100 2. Echo IO http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200 3. Echo DJ - http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200 4. RME Hammerfall HDSP Laptop Cardbus - http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/cardpci.htm#CARDBUS - $299 I definitely won't be buying the Soundblaster again....even though the quality is great for what I'm using it now, I don't like the fact that it completely disables your notebooks current soundcard. With this new ThinkPad T60p I just bought, it has Intel's High Definition Audio built into the chipset. I am really curious how or if I'll be able to take advantage of this with one of the above options. Even more interesting is if the soundcard on the T60p itself takes advantae of it...I'll find out when I plug in. Kris > Kris Hartung wrote: >> Can you share what you are using? I'm interesting in something that >> is compact but also high quality. > > I did use a Multiface from RME, very high quality, but no Mic preamps. > Since my 15" Powerbook was stolen I was forced to switch to a 12" > Powerbook, I ran it with an old 828 and with a Quatafire 610. The > Quatafire I really love, decent quality for the price (of course not the > same as the Multiface, but for live its definitely good enough). Big > advantage: its bus powered and has 2 Midi ins and outs, and is the > smallest interface available, fits in your pocket. Recommended... > > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x---- > --_____-----------|----------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- > ----------()------------x----- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, > 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 23:01:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 631C43BEDA; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: Subject: RE: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:00:55 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <004401c64c72$24f11580$6701a8c0@maui> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <00ab01c64c71$71ae6db0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZMcfdCK/Y7wtzjQRCI2Pwlflm37wAAAr7g Resent-Message-ID: <3S_xqD.A.opH.sQzHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone know of an ExpressCard (successor to CardBus) music card? I've searched but cannot find one. I have a new Dell laptop and that's the only card interface on it and like Kris I don't want to cary another box around. Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users > > Thanks for the tip, Stefan. Your info led me to this website: > > http://digitalaudioworks.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Cat egory=129 > > It shows the Indigo PCMCIA cards, but the RME card too. > > I think PCMCIA route is the best for me...I'd rather not have > an extra device attached to my notebook. > > Hence, what I have now for PCMCIA options are: > > 1. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - > http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcat egory=204&product=10769 > - $100 > 2. Echo IO > http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php > - $200 3. Echo DJ - > http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php > - $200 4. RME Hammerfall HDSP Laptop Cardbus - > http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/cardpci.htm#CARDBUS - $299 > > I definitely won't be buying the Soundblaster again....even > though the quality is great for what I'm using it now, I > don't like the fact that it completely disables your > notebooks current soundcard. > > With this new ThinkPad T60p I just bought, it has Intel's > High Definition Audio built into the chipset. I am really > curious how or if I'll be able to take advantage of this with > one of the above options. Even more interesting is if the > soundcard on the T60p itself takes advantae of it...I'll find > out when I plug in. > > Kris > > > > Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Can you share what you are using? I'm interesting in > something that > >> is compact but also high quality. > > > > I did use a Multiface from RME, very high quality, but no > Mic preamps. > > Since my 15" Powerbook was stolen I was forced to switch to a 12" > > Powerbook, I ran it with an old 828 and with a Quatafire 610. The > > Quatafire I really love, decent quality for the price (of > course not > > the same as the Multiface, but for live its definitely good > enough). > > Big > > advantage: its bus powered and has 2 Midi ins and outs, and is the > > smallest interface available, fits in your pocket. Recommended... > > > > > > Stefan > > > > -- > > > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > > > Stefan Tiedje > > Klanggestalter > > Electronic Composition > > & > > Improvisation > > > > /~~~~~\ > > \\\ /|() ()|\ > > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > > \___/ /// > > > > -------------------------x---- > > --_____-----------|----------- > > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- > > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- > > ----------()------------x----- > > > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, > > 94320 Thiais, France > > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 23:09:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08F603BECA; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:09:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c301c64c73$65530f10$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <004401c64c72$24f11580$6701a8c0@maui> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:09:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 505, in=244514, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <8RtRe.A.rL.DZzHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:09:56 +0000 (UTC) I'm glad you asked that. You mean PCI Express, right? MY T60p has both the older PCMCIA slot and the newer one that you mention. It would be nice to take advantage of that for music! Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Does anyone know of an ExpressCard (successor to CardBus) music card? > I've > searched but cannot find one. I have a new Dell laptop and that's the > only > card interface on it and like Kris I don't want to cary another box > around. > > Steve > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:56 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users >> >> Thanks for the tip, Stefan. Your info led me to this website: >> >> http://digitalaudioworks.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Cat > egory=129 >> >> It shows the Indigo PCMCIA cards, but the RME card too. >> >> I think PCMCIA route is the best for me...I'd rather not have >> an extra device attached to my notebook. >> >> Hence, what I have now for PCMCIA options are: >> >> 1. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - >> http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcat > egory=204&product=10769 >> - $100 >> 2. Echo IO >> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php >> - $200 3. Echo DJ - >> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php >> - $200 4. RME Hammerfall HDSP Laptop Cardbus - >> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/cardpci.htm#CARDBUS - $299 >> >> I definitely won't be buying the Soundblaster again....even >> though the quality is great for what I'm using it now, I >> don't like the fact that it completely disables your >> notebooks current soundcard. >> >> With this new ThinkPad T60p I just bought, it has Intel's >> High Definition Audio built into the chipset. I am really >> curious how or if I'll be able to take advantage of this with >> one of the above options. Even more interesting is if the >> soundcard on the T60p itself takes advantae of it...I'll find >> out when I plug in. >> >> Kris >> >> >> > Kris Hartung wrote: >> >> Can you share what you are using? I'm interesting in >> something that >> >> is compact but also high quality. >> > >> > I did use a Multiface from RME, very high quality, but no >> Mic preamps. >> > Since my 15" Powerbook was stolen I was forced to switch to a 12" >> > Powerbook, I ran it with an old 828 and with a Quatafire 610. The >> > Quatafire I really love, decent quality for the price (of >> course not >> > the same as the Multiface, but for live its definitely good >> enough). >> > Big >> > advantage: its bus powered and has 2 Midi ins and outs, and is the >> > smallest interface available, fits in your pocket. Recommended... >> > >> > >> > Stefan >> > >> > -- >> > >> > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] >> > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >> > >> > Stefan Tiedje >> > Klanggestalter >> > Electronic Composition >> > & >> > Improvisation >> > >> > /~~~~~\ >> > \\\ /|() ()|\ >> > ))))) )| | |( \\\ >> > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) >> > \___/ /// >> > >> > -------------------------x---- >> > --_____-----------|----------- >> > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- >> > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- >> > ----------()------------x----- >> > >> > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, >> > 94320 Thiais, France >> > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 >> > >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 23:14:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8578F3BED3; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1142892108.441f264ce3c78@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:01:48 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [gig] AMM Live on the Internet, March 25th, 2006 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 71.134.136.14 Resent-Message-ID: <7jO_IC.A.de.qdzHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Fellow Loopers, It's that time again, Atomic Mobius Machine is playing live, for you, on the internet. We will be playing March 25th from 5pm-8pm/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. It's a new time, and a shorter duration.. :) Hopefully more people will be able to tune in, and won't pass out.. hehe... Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music (we've started calling it 'ambient loopadelic'), and features Dan Moore, Ross Artese, and Chris Roberts, on various musical instruments, electronics, and computers. On the looping equipment side there is a DL/4, a EDP, as well as Acid and Reason... :) This time we'll have Muruga Booker virtually sitting in with us from Ann Arbor, Michigan. He is a world class drummer, and amazing person all around... For you geeks out there, we will be using the NINJAM software to collaborate with Muruga... :) And speaking of 'virtual', we'll also have WorkDude and Lord, and Lady, Babblefish joining us.. :) Please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, March 25th, at 5pm/pst for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 Atomic Mobius Machine broadcasts a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other addresses. Feel free to visit our website: www.atomomach.com. AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.SoundNWaves.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 23:16:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA0563BEDA; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: Subject: RE: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:16:51 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <004a01c64c74$5eb008b0$6701a8c0@maui> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <00c301c64c73$65530f10$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZMc9tAyaRTdgATQNKZ66SEcNedLgAAC2jw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Yes, the PCIe notebooks support ExpressCard. Mine only came with the newer "standard." It's funny, I didn't even think to ask about it when I bought it, and when I go to the Dell website, it's either not stated or it's in the fine print. Really makes you feel good about dropping $3k on a laptop that has an interface with no support. I can't even find a CardBus-to-ExpressCard converter/adapter. Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:10 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users > > I'm glad you asked that. You mean PCI Express, right? MY T60p > has both the older PCMCIA slot and the newer one that you > mention. It would be nice to take advantage of that for music! > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Does anyone know of an ExpressCard (successor to CardBus) > music card? > > I've > > searched but cannot find one. I have a new Dell laptop and > that's the > > only card interface on it and like Kris I don't want to > cary another > > box around. > > > > Steve > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:56 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users > >> > >> Thanks for the tip, Stefan. Your info led me to this website: > >> > >> http://digitalaudioworks.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Cat > > egory=129 > >> > >> It shows the Indigo PCMCIA cards, but the RME card too. > >> > >> I think PCMCIA route is the best for me...I'd rather not have an > >> extra device attached to my notebook. > >> > >> Hence, what I have now for PCMCIA options are: > >> > >> 1. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - > >> http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcat > > egory=204&product=10769 > >> - $100 > >> 2. Echo IO > >> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php > >> - $200 3. Echo DJ - > >> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php > >> - $200 4. RME Hammerfall HDSP Laptop Cardbus - > >> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/cardpci.htm#CARDBUS - $299 > >> > >> I definitely won't be buying the Soundblaster again....even though > >> the quality is great for what I'm using it now, I don't > like the fact > >> that it completely disables your notebooks current soundcard. > >> > >> With this new ThinkPad T60p I just bought, it has Intel's High > >> Definition Audio built into the chipset. I am really > curious how or > >> if I'll be able to take advantage of this with one of the above > >> options. Even more interesting is if the soundcard on the > T60p itself > >> takes advantae of it...I'll find out when I plug in. > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> > >> > Kris Hartung wrote: > >> >> Can you share what you are using? I'm interesting in > >> something that > >> >> is compact but also high quality. > >> > > >> > I did use a Multiface from RME, very high quality, but no > >> Mic preamps. > >> > Since my 15" Powerbook was stolen I was forced to switch to a 12" > >> > Powerbook, I ran it with an old 828 and with a Quatafire > 610. The > >> > Quatafire I really love, decent quality for the price (of > >> course not > >> > the same as the Multiface, but for live its definitely good > >> enough). > >> > Big > >> > advantage: its bus powered and has 2 Midi ins and outs, > and is the > >> > smallest interface available, fits in your pocket. Recommended... > >> > > >> > > >> > Stefan > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > >> > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > >> > > >> > Stefan Tiedje > >> > Klanggestalter > >> > Electronic Composition > >> > & > >> > Improvisation > >> > > >> > /~~~~~\ > >> > \\\ /|() ()|\ > >> > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > >> > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > >> > \___/ /// > >> > > >> > -------------------------x---- > >> > --_____-----------|----------- > >> > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- > >> > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- > >> > ----------()------------x----- > >> > > >> > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, > >> > 94320 Thiais, France > >> > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 23:23:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BA173BEE6; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aqkEsmNYAAjGTGPH8PFSqLGIqxsQR7L7GSPVDChfQLMr8BOqRlklXN4O1svVl2mO5UAtvE4wK3BUz8e1R6aoz1a+5+38eMiSylf6qrV5M8ON0wC6XkFPQv1sgdS2nkfu6+/Y1hbHqgUSOcsCIo0s8JMGLqzcfMjxyRPaNM8xIYI= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603201523s261272f9l9b115765b156ede6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:23:33 +0000 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s In-Reply-To: <4E4DE1F4-04AF-4723-818B-79B5252E7B06@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060320184945.9DEE23BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> <441F2A29.1020306@speakeasy.net> <4E4DE1F4-04AF-4723-818B-79B5252E7B06@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:23:34 +0000 (UTC) On 3/20/06, Per Boysen wrote: > There is also the POG from TC Electronics You meant to type Electro Harmonix :-) There's the new EHX HOG too, that I have yet to hear in the flesh (so to speak) but which shows considerable promise. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 23:26:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C80D3BEEA; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <441F396E.6090409@speakeasy.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:23:26 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s References: <20060320230957.3451D3BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060320230957.3451D3BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9WPXCC.A.2uB.uozHEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:26:39 +0000 (UTC) *** Do you want to shift the input or the output only, or both? Do you want to have loops that move up in pitch each turn around? Are you ok with using a mixer in addition to the EDPs and the shifter? How much do you want to spend? *** As much flexibility as possible and I already use a mixer so no problem there. It has 2 unused effects loops I can utilize. Should have mentioned at the start, I'm looking for a standalone hardware solution. As far as price, it's the usual...as little as I have to as much as I can :-) Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 20 23:47:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D6853BEE0; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f901c64c78$acbbe7a0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <004a01c64c74$5eb008b0$6701a8c0@maui> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:47:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 507, in=247120, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Well hopefully, if you buy a new laptop it has both the older PCMCIA slot and the newer ExpressCard slot. The T60p does...I made sure of this so I wouldn't be screwed with backward compatibility issues. I had the sales rep confirm this several time...now, will this still have the older PCMCIA slot? :) I'll use the standard slot until gear for the new one is available. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Mark" To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: RE: Audio Interface for Notebook Users > Yes, the PCIe notebooks support ExpressCard. Mine only came with the > newer > "standard." It's funny, I didn't even think to ask about it when I bought > it, and when I go to the Dell website, it's either not stated or it's in > the > fine print. Really makes you feel good about dropping $3k on a laptop > that > has an interface with no support. I can't even find a > CardBus-to-ExpressCard converter/adapter. > > Steve > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:10 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users >> >> I'm glad you asked that. You mean PCI Express, right? MY T60p >> has both the older PCMCIA slot and the newer one that you >> mention. It would be nice to take advantage of that for music! >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > Does anyone know of an ExpressCard (successor to CardBus) >> music card? >> > I've >> > searched but cannot find one. I have a new Dell laptop and >> that's the >> > only card interface on it and like Kris I don't want to >> cary another >> > box around. >> > >> > Steve >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:56 PM >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users >> >> >> >> Thanks for the tip, Stefan. Your info led me to this website: >> >> >> >> http://digitalaudioworks.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Cat >> > egory=129 >> >> >> >> It shows the Indigo PCMCIA cards, but the RME card too. >> >> >> >> I think PCMCIA route is the best for me...I'd rather not have an >> >> extra device attached to my notebook. >> >> >> >> Hence, what I have now for PCMCIA options are: >> >> >> >> 1. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - >> >> http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcat >> > egory=204&product=10769 >> >> - $100 >> >> 2. Echo IO >> >> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php >> >> - $200 3. Echo DJ - >> >> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php >> >> - $200 4. RME Hammerfall HDSP Laptop Cardbus - >> >> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/cardpci.htm#CARDBUS - $299 >> >> >> >> I definitely won't be buying the Soundblaster again....even though >> >> the quality is great for what I'm using it now, I don't >> like the fact >> >> that it completely disables your notebooks current soundcard. >> >> >> >> With this new ThinkPad T60p I just bought, it has Intel's High >> >> Definition Audio built into the chipset. I am really >> curious how or >> >> if I'll be able to take advantage of this with one of the above >> >> options. Even more interesting is if the soundcard on the >> T60p itself >> >> takes advantae of it...I'll find out when I plug in. >> >> >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> >> >> > Kris Hartung wrote: >> >> >> Can you share what you are using? I'm interesting in >> >> something that >> >> >> is compact but also high quality. >> >> > >> >> > I did use a Multiface from RME, very high quality, but no >> >> Mic preamps. >> >> > Since my 15" Powerbook was stolen I was forced to switch to a 12" >> >> > Powerbook, I ran it with an old 828 and with a Quatafire >> 610. The >> >> > Quatafire I really love, decent quality for the price (of >> >> course not >> >> > the same as the Multiface, but for live its definitely good >> >> enough). >> >> > Big >> >> > advantage: its bus powered and has 2 Midi ins and outs, >> and is the >> >> > smallest interface available, fits in your pocket. Recommended... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Stefan >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] >> >> > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >> >> > >> >> > Stefan Tiedje >> >> > Klanggestalter >> >> > Electronic Composition >> >> > & >> >> > Improvisation >> >> > >> >> > /~~~~~\ >> >> > \\\ /|() ()|\ >> >> > ))))) )| | |( \\\ >> >> > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) >> >> > \___/ /// >> >> > >> >> > -------------------------x---- >> >> > --_____-----------|----------- >> >> > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- >> >> > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- >> >> > ----------()------------x----- >> >> > >> >> > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, >> >> > 94320 Thiais, France >> >> > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 00:16:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C3CD3BED3; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SKFdiM7Cq4Dwy0L1niYiVPE2kspROiVdrXcYzvbLoVHbv2ewLtGtHwE0CMt6SZxwM1JMYpAkWMZ59pK54bBVGd0ek4AlijetIw1hl7nO1vTCnW4bEFFlczs76kACkt/cB3JI2uVyunvvVf9IhPMUHbKCyuT/s3xrZRa1hvJSNow= ; Message-ID: <20060321001631.90492.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:16:31 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: *First Post* need advice on midi sync looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <441E2283.10704@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:16:33 +0000 (UTC) The issue isn't the Repeater, it's the laptop's midi out. I've had that issue too until I figured out it was a setting in my DAW. I had it set to output MMC which is NOT what I needed. (you need MIDI time code) After that it grabs on to that mother and does not let go. I've gone down to 20 bpm and up to 200+. There's somewhat of a lag if you make a quick change, but it's nice and organic like elastic. Took me a bit to figure out my issue, and it was frustrating. It happend kind of randomly and I'd get a crazy pulse of speed or lag. Never happened when synced to my drum machine, so I knew it was my computer's MIDI output. (I am still using Digital Performer and it's been flawless ever since) So, the Repeater's finicky, but dead on once you feed it what it wants. Mark --- Doug Cox wrote: > The EDP will not follow a changing MIDI clock. Once > the clock changes > too significantly, the EDP stops trying to sync. It > does not change > pitch, nor timestretch, at all. > > -Aaron - wrote: > > >"I'd think you would want the pitch to *not* change > when the midi > >clock signal speeds up." > > > >No, I want it to change, It's all part of my > 'organic' approach ;). Im not the slightest bit > interested in timestretch/pitchshifting pagan magic. > I want it like a reel to reel etc. > >If the repeater is in any way unreliable with > locking to a clock then I will happily snob its > extra features. And by a few reports it is a bit > inconsistant in this department. > >So, is the EDP rock-solid-bang-on every time. Or is > it prone to the odd tamtrum too? > >Are these the only two 'pro' candidates for midi > syncing and quantizing? > > > >The "start a loop and have it quantize to MTC" > funtion is what it's all about for me, and I want > something that will do that every time, for > extensive live use. > > > > > > > >>>(Mark Sottilaro) If you want a looper that chases > a > >>>moving clock, the Repeater is king. > >>> > >>> > >>Be warned though that the Midi sync feature of the > Repeater can be > >>a little unreliable (at least it was on my fateful > unit). The few > >>times I synced it to a DJ's laptop, it kept doing > random things > >>like doubling the tempo.... One of these times was > at a gig :( > >>-- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 00:18:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4846A3BECA; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=drObtKmDzB5kwnx+K2c/kTJSYKZX96LVSyKIPbgIwdRvzaFcy5uXJ4lc1If7f0BXGTH4NpWakKkZkgBkM+7OLcNI/CQ9EJyGaWIrwG7ULLwB37B/EQjzAAzaYmR1+r5OvBC4hheCTSGd0OzakS3Z5UC/52KH2Zyor2xf9GtZjmM= ; Message-ID: <20060321001806.32100.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:18:06 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re:Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060320115637.02c30eb0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:18:07 +0000 (UTC) have it it... http://www.zerocrossing.net/music.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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So???= --Apple-Mail-2--756459336-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 02:30:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F6AE3BEDA; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 02:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iorsB0pU/OWeVh+HCLNdCHZcJACo3RiaSEq7f/LMqu0G6J+UV54SmRj/aiaB5BBW4mcpK33KEddR9JN/GVL1XicUBhiWyhOuxATspwl0ZL8WZNBRVdgxnEWRFddiLY9Bp3tRhbcRnxqtZPe7dxbfhd7nMblHxk1R6u/y5cGxMBI= ; Message-ID: <20060321023003.24968.qmail@web80728.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:30:03 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Javaheri Subject: semi OT first Thomas Dolby tour in ages To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 02:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Thomas Dolby's first venture back into music/performing in ages including at a club called "the Independent" in San Francisco with opening band "Loop!Station", plus other dates around the country: http://version.thomasdolby.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 03:39:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1CA03BED2; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20060321023003.24968.qmail@web80728.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060321023003.24968.qmail@web80728.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F5F9909-FC25-4488-B1D9-E675976DD3A4@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: GIG SPAM: looped cellos in France Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:39:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 522f9b80-b88c-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Ok, I'm pleased to announce to the list my first performance in France! Anyone on Looper's Delight who lives near Beauvais? I might need a translator as I can only speak a few words of bad Canadian French! Rencontres d'Ensembles de Violoncelles de Beauvais May 16 8:30 pm Rostropovitch Auditorium Espace Culturel Francois Mitterand Rue de Buzanval Beauvais, France http://www.celloensemble.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 05:02:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06C0C3BEE4; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060320210038.01c33b30@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:02:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: References: <031920061352.7569.441D621A0000D84400001D912207300033CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comc ast.net> <8390c9ac0603190631h1c986988u255c5df50c1018ad@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060319110635.01e16a88@TheNettles.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:02:28 +0000 (UTC) At 01:11 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote: >I can personally recommend the Line 6 Filter Pro (and, by extension, >the FM-4 stompbox). It's not quite as good as a real analog filter >(ala Sherman Filter Bank or Electrix Filter Factory), but it's 90% >there. Since it's a modelling processor, you've got a lot of >different algorithms to try. Also, you've some of the models will >do monophonic pitch tracking and output synth sounds, although I >think you may get frustrated with the tracking on some of the fast lines. The FM-4 looks to be a little glitchy, judging from the user manual and the comments on the list. Does anyone have experience with the Electrix Filter Factory? That may be the filter for me. Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 05:12:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A49A03BEEE; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060320211127.01c38f90@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:12:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060319110635.01e16a88@TheNettles.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:12:22 +0000 (UTC) At 05:44 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote: >If you can go to $400-500 then >you're talking (get a used Roland VG8 system which tracks great as opposed >to your GR33). For $400-500, I think I'd go with an Evolver--that's a wonderfully sick beast! Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com Phone: 541.757.1933 Fax: 541.738.0604 Email: Kevin@TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 05:18:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD42D3BEEA; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060320211440.01e49480@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:18:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060319110635.01e16a88@TheNettles.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:18:24 +0000 (UTC) At 05:44 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote: > > >Electro-Harmonix Micro Synth. >As a processor it's fantastic. It has a built in Square wave fuzz and >great raspy raw filter which you can set to sweep fast/slow etc. Also it >has an octaver. The catch is it is monophonic for playing lines and there >is a lot of triggering issues if you don't get it *just* right. Ooh. Triggering issues. I am so out of here! The distortion plus filtering solution looks like a good one. What are folk's favourite filters? Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 05:23:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8722F3BEEC; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060320212044.01e5f8e0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:23:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060320120444.02c34010@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060320001321.497E03BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060320120444.02c34010@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:23:15 +0000 (UTC) At 05:40 AM 3/20/2006, Andy wrote: >Even the common wah-wah can sound synthy, if you put the distortion >in front of it. Yeah, I was using that on a gig on Friday. I used the wah to put the guitar into permanent Fernandes-Sustainer-like feedback. >The Akai MFC-42 filter is available cheap these days, that's >probably worth checking out Thanks, Andy. Anybody have any comments on the Akai MFC-42? Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 06:42:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50C053BEE1; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GEzp3J+kn3yDiEaFTVPRyTk6Gf64xwTdQFgveKC9UV+I2Iu3o8JTzny+DGhULjAfGEbnM3ZP8f46RpgaqDWzvaXGzWW3rrDN5DIn//WtHLc6GYcGuq8/yfCXuagkaNDSDhBJMbgH2dBJhiS3JHZL6GqnP2a/ioB0NiT/3LhiANA= ; Message-ID: <20060321064158.87599.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:41:58 -0800 (PST) From: r i c k m o n d Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: RC-50 Loop Factory? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060320212044.01e5f8e0@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:42:05 +0000 (UTC) maybe i'm late but i haven't seen much discussion of this here. doesn't seem too impressive, especially with "play-along drum patterns" urk. http://www.axetopia.com/news/06_01/New_Boss_Loop_station.html "Artists in any medium are nothing more than mere hooligans who cannot live within their income of admiration." - Quentin Crisp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 08:35:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 397273BEE8; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAI5EH0SHaiw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060321081638.0285b5b0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:33:21 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <20060320230957.3845D3BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060320230957.3845D3BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:35:17 +0000 (UTC) >Hi Andy, > >I wondered about the differences in quality and tracking between the >Filter Pro and the stomp box version - I imagine that the >differences in audio spec/features are the same as the DL4/Echo-Pro >(both of which I have). I'm interested in using a filter unit of >some kind on flute and saxes. Sorry, I don't have the stomp box. ..but I also imagine as you do. The Pro version will midi-sync, which is very useful for the random LFO patterns which are probably the unit's best trick. The Pro also has an analog bypass option, but i don't know if the pedal has this. the " Tron Up & Down" patches would be nice on sax, as the filter freq responds to volume. Maybe the pedal version sounds better on the synth patches, if it's a bit more lo-fi then it may take off some of the digital edginess andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 08:40:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1D693BEF8; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bWxzG5WzUhmvsrLqq/YAwIxfD5l2dPuBlWGXP7rf/4nxDzb/9D7R5CdCoUADBwC67f5MAw5AhOhhzxlcLHVV6UjHV0qny1GcalTI1BD+aQ/rrJtn27iFuqraUz41XsX/Ysg3zQUh18jPT75T0+MjhIFvs7WMShZLiWx8/apTSKE= Message-ID: <8390c9ac0603210040u14171fabl96689fe654176cc9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:40:53 +0800 From: Alwyn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060321081638.0285b5b0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060320230957.3845D3BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060321081638.0285b5b0@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:40:54 +0000 (UTC) If you're thinking of going the distortion -> filter route, how about the moog lowpass filter pedal? though im not sure about the price.. then there is also the Frostwave Resonator http://www.frostwave.com/theresonator/index.html Both of these you can plug a control pedal into, or add some extra things like LFO's to get some animation in the filter sound... Cheers, Alwyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 08:45:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD5083BEF7; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sxNOGxbjic6Kcr9lq0kWhanXPVX5lYIqOyc+IwrwNaLziRt04C/0HaPWxdbdgm+CPo+PlxbSl9FFxbPqw1xl2h5zK0y/VmACiFIDpHjZKCuApjlNCCc1BSgoxl9sf8AfSYNva8Bs6IgcXsOe5lBeGRbQcroclmaHIYVp5BS69Y4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <20060321023003.24968.qmail@web80728.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060321023003.24968.qmail@web80728.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7A6D7EB3-355E-4CAB-9D4C-24ADDB7E1065@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: semi OT first Thomas Dolby tour in ages Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:45:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:45:31 +0000 (UTC) On 21 mar 2006, at 03.30, Glenn Javaheri wrote: > Thomas Dolby's first venture back into > music/performing in ages including at a club called > "the Independent" in San Francisco with opening band > "Loop!Station", plus other dates around the country: > > http://version.thomasdolby.com/ any frisco kids on the list gong there? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 09:01:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC7033BEFC; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sXSiS/olC5QE761r0xss0zO+9Id9f+3K/E6znNDZSbs0eS4HMQaR9urPDVvE6JIuO7pIpn4Vs4OoTEg5AXyLfziAFLDsFQVxTXrtkKtG3ZQVuUCl7KqmoRbM7ohfy79qJgmfzK/X24r2wL/iSIPXSvNdPO+6oEw1YCk5PCtaKD0= ; Message-ID: <20060321090107.84363.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:01:07 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060321064205.C2AB43BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Kevin, I've owned the FM-4, and though I would never have described it as "glitchy", it didn't sound convincing to me. More like it was trying to emulate 16 different "real filters" and doing a barely passable job at all of them. I'm sure that other users find it more than adequate, that was just my impression. By itself it was okay, kinda fun for a few hours... But then put it in a signal chain with other stomp boxes and suddenly it doesn't sound so good anymore. Same goes for their other coloured boxes. The MM-4 was my favorite out of that bunch, but it just didn't hold up in a more complex signal path. I sold it and got a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger instead. Now there's a sexy beast... The Filter Factory on the other hand, sounds as clear and as deep as a snow-fed mountain stream. The only problem I have with it is that the distortion segment is a bit lame. But that's neither here nor there. You also may want to look into the Filter Queen, almost the same exact unit while taking up half the space. I've owned both and have kept the Filter Factory. I also owned an Evolver for 6 months or so. One of the worst possible user interfaces ever to exist on a piece of gear. While the PolyEvolver keyboard goes a long way towards rectifying the Evolver's UI, it still doesn't show what it got under it's skirt. This is something that I'd want to see at a glance, like say, a Nord Lead or a Korg Oasys with their LED illuminated rotary knobs. Electrix gear shows everything, you can tell what sound it's going to make even before turning it on. The only exception to this is that the Repeater is lacking a few small things like track mute indicators. Stephen <> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 10:15:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A5A33BEF3; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060321101531410.643501C00222@mwinf0209.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <441FD23E.3070901@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:15:26 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hiding behind technology (was: what a loop has to say) References: <000a01c64ab1$3d280ea0$0202a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: <000a01c64ab1$3d280ea0$0202a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Warren Sirota wrote: > I always experience this dichotomy strongly. I usually feel (rightly > or wrongly) that in a live performance, I have to prove I can really > play guitar early in the show, and then everyone can relax and we can > have a good time. I really came to electronics the other way round, as there is always the expectation of the audience, that the performer has to be "good" (at least better than the average audience member). I always wanted to force the audience to accept that virtuosity is not an issue of the music itself. > I think that the live performance experience imposes a requirement > that most of us feel to somehow impress the audience, to make them > feel like not just anyone could be sitting up there in front of a > rack of gear and making these great sounds. The art of making good music is, to let the audience forget their expectations. One crucial part of that skill is, to let go the wish to impress anybody. Thats the biggest trap for any artist (not only in music). Art is, at least for me, a process of freeing myself and let the audience be part of this whole process. The best way to impress an audience is not wanting to impress them, but just be yourself and that way become a mirror. But one thing I learned on my path - in the end you can't avoid the virtuosity (the longer you play an instrument within this process, the more skills you'll develop naturally...), but there is no need to point to it. > That's one reason that I like to play in ensembles with less-magical > technology, and specifically to use the high tech as one element > among many in a show. Thats why I prefer to play with other musicians who play "normal" instruments (no looping from their side). The whole process is more clear, the only explanation I might give: all the sounds you hear are from the played instrument, no prerecorded additions... Yes my instrument is "electronics" (I would not want to call it effects, this is pointing into the wrong direction) I call my instrument now "Les ondes memorielles". It might help the audience in recognizing it as an instrument. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 10:29:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C4AA3BEFA; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:29:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e201c64cd2$4c26c450$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <008d01c64b47$0bf080b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <10df01c64b73$9d5b5ad0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <129401c64bbf$2d072ec0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:29:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2006 10:28:21.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D690BE0:01C64CD2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:29:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, nice idea ! Here're my links. Bye Fabio In a pearly way - Fabio Anile http://dw.com.com/redir?&destUrl=http%3a%2f%2fmusic-files.download.com%2fsd%2fsF_2XiRjidwllhJSlswfg5fKCghjmweR9dt41v0mWrleArigRJhYjFX64PaD_J596uDqanYTi9w9Yw1rU09m2MplWNOjADd4%2fmp3download%2f100696140%2f192%2feterogeneo-In_a_pearly_way.mp3&edId=3&siteId=32&oI Dark Shark - Fabio Anile : http://dw.com.com/redir?&destUrl=http%3a%2f%2fmusic-files.download.com%2fsd%2fVnFNYdnf5D-VoCkt-OY41w2BEQBwWfPed4UDh8atSzhmFCwoOr1oBy332TsNo-rFVRP7LjU6c46Ry665zamR8VWaK27aCrJw%2fmp3download%2f100572428%2f192%2feterogeneo-Dark_Shark.mp3&edId=3&siteId=32&oId=361 Liquid day - Fabio Anile http://dw.com.com/redir?&destUrl=http%3a%2f%2fmusic-files.download.com%2fsd%2fL0ebdkHQd5VdoJrhKs8PVVfk7w4BSMNEtGC02kMWyT7WvgU-UEQ1XqExxFcrdcxMQ1rZ96m_JVAplbHk_K_gPVVduC-WIXPx%2fmp3download%2f100294448%2f192%2feterogeneo-Liquid_Day.mp3&edId=3&siteId=32&oId=361 Before the storm - Fabio Anile http://www.vitaminic.it/track/547370/download/a980/00980945/fabio%20anile%20-%20Before%20the%20storm.mp3 La Musique - Fabio Anile http://dw.com.com/redir?&destUrl=http%3a%2f%2fmusic-files.download.com%2fsd%2ftI3Or-kl-WHuBTChXOrs4c_CpcRjNvMcR7Wo1pM7uEjjNN6v4KgtZu2Y2PhsAVb42jJU_4olId4eOslU7Ai4elzE7ieIruqh%2fmp3download%2f100404332%2f192%2feterogeneo-La_musique.mp3&edId=3&siteId=32&oId=361 Dune Fredde - Fabio Anile http://www.vitaminic.it/track/547372/download/a980/00980947/fabio%20anile%20-%20Dune%20fredde%20II.mp3 Loop 77 - Fabio Anile http://www.vitaminic.it/track/547371/download/a980/00980946/fabio%20anile%20-%20Loop%2077.mp3 Sud - Fabio Anile http://www.vitaminic.it/track/547368/download/a980/00980943/fabio%20anile%20-%20Sud.mp3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:39 AM Subject: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links > Okay, I'm ready to start adding links to what could eventually be the > world's large and most gigantor MP3 playlist. If you have have looping > MP3s that you want in this playlist, send them to me using the format > below. Send them one line after another, no spaces between each entry (as > shown below), that way I can just paste into my playlist file. > > #EXTINF: Song Title - Artist - CD or Event > http://URL to your MP3 file > > Here is the playlist, currently just Y2K5 recordings: > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u > > Kris > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 10:53:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C52F3BF01; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010101c64cd5$b8986d20$0300a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F56@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:35:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Satriani? Vai? Van Halen? Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: RE: what a loop has to say >>>Can a musician hide behind extremely developed playing abilities?<< > > I read this as "can someone who hasn't actually got all that much to say > with his music, disguise this fact with a blinding array of technical > virtuosity?" & I think we've probably all seen examples of this from time > to > time. > > I was going to say "fripp" & run for the door, but I've more than half me > pint left & I'm not wasting good beer just because I can't keep me mouth > shut! :-) > > duncan. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 11:09:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FA333BF06; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060321110925238.05C952800151@mwinf1009.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <441FDEE5.6010906@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:09:25 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441F2276.9070006@addcom.de> <00ab01c64c71$71ae6db0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00ab01c64c71$71ae6db0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Upy_.A.OMH.o79HEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > 4. RME Hammerfall HDSP Laptop Cardbus - > http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/cardpci.htm#CARDBUS - $299 Don't get this wrong, this is only the cardbus card without the Multiface which you would need as well and is much more expensive than just the cardbus card. Its good converters have its price... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 11:26:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DB713BF07; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lHJPHzkjvdcCLIChROFGPj2iV45IsINuIuCIz7TeWFA18GOhQ76g7qPkpBsXL25vqy3JQqF7qG3CwyanbFBx2gLlUgco7UL6jbWHM4DxssiX8S7DILk7j+QxXEjkL8tE2YPhbvMF8fnOCLxlDP8TvkYwYcTOLfJ+BiNt1bdEEow= In-Reply-To: <010101c64cd5$b8986d20$0300a8c0@STUDY> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F56@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <010101c64cd5$b8986d20$0300a8c0@STUDY> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D9047D3-79B7-4782-875B-65449AF75DE8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:19:54 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:26:41 +0000 (UTC) >> I read this as "can someone who hasn't actually got all that much =20 >> to say >> with his music, disguise this fact with a blinding array of technical >> virtuosity?" & I think we've probably all seen examples of this =20 >> from time to >> time. Why should a musician disguise that he "hasn't much to say with his =20 music"? Myself I enjoy a lot of music that only exists for the =20 purpose of "not saying much". Like for example all these piano bar =20 players that sit down behind the piano at fashionable caf=E9s to =20 provide a background atmosphere. And what about Satie, Eno and John =20 Cage? Well, those guys may not be virtuosos, but many piano bar =20 musicians in fact are! The thrill is to hear them twist the tempi of =20 well known "schlagers" with excessive ritardandi and virtuoso =20 arpeggio ornamentation. That really doesn't say much - but it sounds =20 cool while you are having coffee and bisques. What sometimes makes me feel bad is the culture that makes us expect =20 certain things from artists. And even worse; when some artists =20 internalize these expectation and kind of starts to pretend as if =20 they are doing something different than they are. That's just sad. I must also say that I enjoyed Stefan Tiedjes post a lot and agree to =20= everything he said there on this topic. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?=20 id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 11:33:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFBA43BEFF; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060321113351891.D97131C00097@mwinf1208.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <441FE4A0.1000109@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:33:52 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441F2276.9070006@addcom.de> <00ab01c64c71$71ae6db0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00ab01c64c71$71ae6db0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9LYzTD.A.hL.iS-HEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:33:54 +0000 (UTC) I just posted the last too fast... Kris Hartung wrote: > I think PCMCIA route is the best for me...I'd rather not have an extra > device attached to my notebook. I wouldn't be so sure about that. In general assume the cardbus solution isn't necessarily better than a built in. Allone the connections are likely to create problems later. Are you really going to sacrifice the processing power with 96kHz?. I'd rather trust a good 44.1 kHz converter than a bad 96 kHz. Specs are for selling stuff. The aim of these cards are home musicians, not professionals. None of the mentioned cards let you plug in your instrument or a microphone directly. You would be forced to add a mixer (which you might want ta have anyway...). The Quatafire is so small, you won't consider it as an extra device and it has a built in Midi interface which will get rid of one other box in exchange. > Hence, what I have now for PCMCIA options are: > > 1. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - > http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=204&product=10769 > - $100 No Mic/Inst input, only stereo in and out. I would not expect it to be better than the built in High Definition parts of your ThinkPad > 2. Echo IO http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php > - $200 Same as above > 3. Echo DJ - > http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200 Doesn't seem to have any inputs. (You're not a DJ, are you?) > 4. RME Hammerfall HDSP Laptop Cardbus - > http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/cardpci.htm#CARDBUS - $299 This will have an extra box and you will have to add something like at least $700 to the mentioned price (though it has really world class converters) > I definitely won't be buying the Soundblaster again....even though the > quality is great for what I'm using it now, I don't like the fact that > it completely disables your notebooks current soundcard. This is more an operating system issue I guess, might be the case with any solution ? The general technical issue with mixing sound cards, you will be forced to use the biggest vector size, the smallest sampling rate, the longest latency of the two. Especially internal sound cards are never optimized for latency, but always for price. The Quatafire will give you 4 analog ins and 8 analog outs. The same is true for the Presonus Firebox. I think if you even consider a cardbus "solution" these are the two I would think of. You might consider to exchange your mixer with a fader box. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 11:46:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DCAC3BF0D; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xo/nT29bxeDTbzDAMJFFewZ93CDRlWhcV+dr+BzDMwcVhlsSvTLX16kt+YsOmrJdqn+Ay4g7ufntXp/qtymLtIdpOmIvmoovoyXni4khcoRzBLrVTTrsXMoRHrEVTPgIhGOTYM7bHZkyA3shKN5hMRTm7tGws8j61SZJYVEb0Vg= ; Message-ID: <20060321114631.57319.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:46:31 -0800 (PST) From: r i c k m o n d Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Loop Factory? durrh... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060321064158.87599.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:46:34 +0000 (UTC) durhh, my bad. i tried to search the archives for 'loop factory' threads and of course there weren't any. it's actually called the rc-50 loop station and the catalogue i received misnamed it >< ... guess i'm just 12 loops behind. --- r i c k m o n d wrote: > maybe i'm late but i haven't seen much discussion of > this here. doesn't seem too impressive, especially > with "play-along drum patterns" urk. > > http://www.axetopia.com/news/06_01/New_Boss_Loop_station.html > > "Artists in any medium are nothing more than mere > hooligans who cannot live within their income of > admiration." - Quentin Crisp > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 11:50:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52DF43BF10; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060321115021334.5194510000A9@mwinf0703.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <441FE87D.2090404@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:50:21 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GIG SPAM: looped cellos in France References: <20060321023003.24968.qmail@web80728.mail.yahoo.com> <1F5F9909-FC25-4488-B1D9-E675976DD3A4@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <1F5F9909-FC25-4488-B1D9-E675976DD3A4@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Zoe Keating wrote: > Rencontres d'Ensembles de Violoncelles de Beauvais > May 16 > 8:30 pm Beauvais seems to be the center of the Cello world. Which prooves that the theory that all interesting stuff happens in the metropoles is wrong. If I find an easy way to get there and back again, I'd love to hear you live. Unfortunately my french is probably even worse than yours...-( Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 12:03:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 725143BF0F; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Zxb7sLcK9Y+eGiBM+S1Y66Qsu2YHTVsUX2DT73dOrrVbLDx5H9DOOLWMGM1Bm5wq3X/7e066mLk0eG4gKuA32QuFj9f286s0vp8bdUxrp5WPfPX5ocAyZSd+aH2sahcjKNVkUmtdEk0PWLPRTwCF1zJuHHHoFUNfQxSe9Q9A0d8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <441FE4A0.1000109@addcom.de> References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441F2276.9070006@addcom.de> <00ab01c64c71$71ae6db0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441FE4A0.1000109@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <159C73A0-3C9B-4953-9343-65BA2AAE473B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:03:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <5hIb-D.A.WvB.uu-HEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I''m using two solutions that I'm very happy with. The Indigo Echo i/ o and the RME Multiface. If you listen carefully, the Multiface sounds a little better on playback. Not much and not enough to justify dragging it to a gig, since it is not a PCMCIA solution but a combination of a PCMIA card and a break-out box. But if I need multiple analog (or digital) in- and output I would bring the RME. Both solutions lack built-in mic preamps, a fact that many file as something negative. But I would rather have that and use the saved money for a standalone preamp. I have three external mic preamps: a small (cigarette package sized) one with an added fly mic for reed/ air instruments, (2) a PreSonus VXP analog preamp with good compressor, expander and dynamic filters (rarely taking it out of the studio for gigs) and (3) finally I have a TC Electronics FireworX multi effect processor, that does well as a mic amp too. My preferred laptop set up for live gigs is the small fly mic/preamp (eventually electric line instruments plugged directly into the second input of the Fireworx), the Fireworx going into the Echo i/o in stereo. If possible, I like to also bring an external compressor (RNG) to balance the stereo output before the PA stage box. Then I also bring a FCB1010 foot controller and a Faderfox mini hand mixer and some instrument to make noise with. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 14:05:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82C0C3BF05; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:07:10 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links In-reply-to: <129401c64bbf$2d072ec0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c64cf0$beb73ea0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6oItpWRiFi65jO7G11VgJg)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:05:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_6oItpWRiFi65jO7G11VgJg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Kris, Here are a couple of links for me. Thanks for doing in this. As has often happened of late, I am mightily impressed by your ideas, industry and generosity. No to mention your music, which I am really enjoying, as I slowly get to know it. Best wishes, Warren Sirota --Boundary_(ID_6oItpWRiFi65jO7G11VgJg) Content-type: text/plain; name=linksForKris.txt Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=linksForKris.txt #EXTINF: Calling Dr. Love - The Sandbox http://www.warrensirota.com/Sandbox/drLove.mp3 #EXTINF: Martian Sunrise - The Sandbox http://www.warrensirota.com/Sandbox/martian%20sunrise.mp3 #EXTINF: Ramble In The Bramble - Warren Sirota http://www.warrensirota.com/Solostuff/ramble%20in%20the%20bramble.mp3 #EXTINF: Cool Jewel - Warren Sirota http://www.warrensirota.com/Solostuff/coolJewel.mp3 --Boundary_(ID_6oItpWRiFi65jO7G11VgJg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 15:53:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1606E3BF0C; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: Looperlative LP-1 Now Available at G Guitars Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:53:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <-g7FfC.A.znD.hFCIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:53:06 +0000 (UTC) I have 2 in stock. G Guitars is the first dealer for this amazing machine. I've been using it for about an hour and it is AMAZING. I will get no work done today I assure you. I have 2 to sell with more on the way. You can have yours tomorrow. $1495 includes shipping. Let me know Chris www.gguitars.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 16:52:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B8E43BF0B; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:51:54 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005901c64d08$017ec480$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002f01c64c63$9dc53c20$2c032052@customer3530f5> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:52:21 +0000 (UTC) I'm weighing in really late on this, but I've been deep into the Boss GT-3 (guitar multi-fx pedal) ever since it first came out. The GT-3 has an excellent synth-like feature (actually *four* if I remember correctly) which tracks really about perfect (in mono) in one mode. Along with numerous *deep* filter and distortion sounds and a gajillion blank patches to build your own custom creations, the GT-3 is a powerful effects processor that could do some serious synth-like sounds. I've got a few patches stored that do the mini-Moog thing stupidly well. Toss a Digitech Whammy into the outboard FX loop and you're living in synth city! I know the GT series is up to the GT-8 and GT-Pro, but that's my point exactly: I'll bet you could score a GT-3 (or GT-5 or GT-6) for maybe $150 on eBay, then grab one of those "unpopular" second-edition Whammys for $50. There's your guitar synth simulator for $200! As for me, I'm dreaming about buying five more GT-3s and using an RMC piezo bridge pickup to split my guitar output into six signals. Send each signal/string to a seperate GT-3 and we're talking polyphonic mutated sickola heaviosity! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 17:06:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553EF3BF16; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b301c64d09$ce8a91b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:06:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:06:34 +0000 (UTC) As king of the cheeseball, lo fi, not very clean signal, pitch shifted loopers I must chime in that Digitech makes a relatively cheap floor pedal called the Vocal 300 (and I believe the Vocal 400 with USB connectivity) that goes for around $300 that comes with an expression pedal which also allows for simultaneous other effects to played. It has a one octave up and down range. (and a rad square wave tremelo function). Before I had it, I used the Red Digitech Whammy pedal that costs around $200 new but doesn't have all the extra effects that the Vocal 300 has. Both these units are noisy as hell and lo fi. I actually destroyed both of them with constant touring and the last time I played at the NAMM show demo with the looperlative, Steve Lawson said he really enjoyed hearing the much improved fidelity of my performances. A lot of this was due to the incredible fidelity of the Looperlative but also credit must be given to the lack of the Vocal 300 in my effects chain. It's too bad.....................I miss that unit (and it was purple to boot and a christmas present from my wife) and I haven't found anything I can afford since then that had it's performance flexibility. I'm just not in the economic bracket to get an Eventide, unfortunately, nor does it look like I ever will be. I saw a singer the other night who had two microphones on the same stand..........one for straight unprocessed vocals and one for processed vocals and I think that may be my future live strategy: run one line of lo fi but very fun effects (and I love how radical pitch shifting can greatly extend the timbral range and power of simple found objects) and one for fidelities' sake on things that I"ll process after the looping. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 17:17:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F02183BF18; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1142961438!15073966!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F84@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: what a loop has to say Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:17:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C64D0B.4A672310" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:17:20 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64D0B.4A672310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> I read this as "can someone who hasn't actually got all that much >> to say >> with his music, disguise this fact with a blinding array of technical >> virtuosity?" & I think we've probably all seen examples of this >> from time to >> time. Why should a musician disguise that he "hasn't much to say with his music"?[snipette] What sometimes makes me feel bad is the culture that makes us expect certain things from artists. And even worse; when some artists internalize these expectation and kind of starts to pretend as if they are doing something different than they are. That's just sad.<< I totally totally agree. I didn't say or mean to imply that such "nothing much to say"-ness was a bad thing, just that it happens & is occasionally hidden by a dazzling display of technique. it's like having a dictionary-like grasp of one's language but not being able to tell a story with all those words; it doesn't make you any less interesting or worthwhile. jeez.... aren't we all a bit PC, though, avoiding offence or value judgements like this? I'm going to stick my neck out (for a change)- nik, I personally would take "hot for teacher" over anything on the last "king crimson" album. there, I've said it. :-) I never liked any of frank zappa's records but I thought his "in his own words" book was great. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>>> I read this as "can someone who has= n't actually got all that much 
>> to say
>> with his music, disguise this fact with a blind= ing array of technical
>> virtuosity?" & I think we've probably = all seen examples of this 
>> from time to
>> time.


Why should a musician disguise that he "hasn't much = to say with his 
music"?[snipette]
What sometimes makes me feel bad is the culture that mak= es us expect 
certain things from artists. And even worse; when some a= rtists 
internalize these expectation and kind of starts to pret= end as if 
they are doing something different than they are. That's= just sad.<<

I totally totally agree.
I didn't say or mean to imply that such "nothing mu= ch to say"-ness was a bad thing, just that it happens & is occasio= nally hidden by a dazzling display of technique.

it's like having a dictionary-like grasp of one's languag= e but not being able to tell a story with all those words; it doesn't make = you any less interesting or worthwhile.

jeez.... aren't we all a bit PC, though, avoiding offence= or value judgements like this? I'm going to stick my neck out (for a chang= e)- nik, I personally would take "hot for teacher" over anything = on the last "king crimson" album. there, I've said it. :-)=

I never liked any of frank zappa's records but I thought = his "in his own words" book was great.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C64D0B.4A672310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 17:21:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D5323BF22; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01f901c64d0b$e9aff640$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441F2276.9070006@addcom.de> <00ab01c64c71$71ae6db0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441FE4A0.1000109@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:21:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 506, in=245206, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:21:42 +0000 (UTC) From: "Stefan Tiedje" >> 1. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - >> http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=204&product=10769 >> - $100 > No Mic/Inst input, only stereo in and out. I would not expect it to be > better than the built in High Definition parts of your ThinkPad I think your comments on the quality of these PCMCIA units is not entirely and unanimously on base, relative to desired outcomes of differenet musicians, home or professioa, relative standards of quality, and use cases. You say "The aim of these cards are home musicians, not professionals." This is somewhat of a black and white statement. There are a lot of "professional" musicians, however we define that, who use what audiofiles might consider sub-standard quality gear. For that matter, a rock guitarist using an 8 bit effects stompbox should be completely out of the picture here. Certainly, for super hi fi production, like making movie soundtracks, or multi-tracking bands, etc...these cards are not the way to go. However, there is a whole separate range of use cases where they are perfectly fine. For instance, I already use this Soundblaster card above in my other notebook computer. I used it for my last two CDs and all my live performances, and I've never heard a single comment on lack of quality or fidelity. I'd be willing to bet that if we did a blind test of CDs, using PCMCIA and higher qualiter firewire/USB units, it would be very difficult to tell a difference, mainly becuase there are too many factors at play here that effect the quality. One effects processor in the signal chain can nullify the "pristine" quality of a D/A converter. It's the whole system, the holistic gear context taht drives the overall output. And honestly, I can't tell the difference myself between my recordings, or others' recordings using these inexpesive audio interface, and others that folks make with USB or Fireware based audio interfaces. And the Soundblaster card does indeed, and entirely blow away the quality of the stock soundcard on the notebook. I can't say whether this will be the case for the ThinkPad T60p and the Intel High Definition Audio integrated, however. I will wait to try out the T60 audio I/O before I buy a PCMCIA card. >> 2. Echo IO >> ttp://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200 > Same as above Same as above for me too...but even more so here. The reviews of this IO unit seem to indicate that it produces higher quality results than the Soundblaster. So I'm guessing the IO is more than what I need...unless I decide to start producing moving sound tracks, recording entire bands, etc..for commerical viability. For solo looping with the guitar, I think the IO is a perfect option for quality and portability, size, etc. Again, I'll wait to here the T60p audio I/O first....who knows, maybe I'll get lucky! :) >> 3. Echo DJ - >> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200 > > Doesn't seem to have any inputs. (You're not a DJ, are you?) It has a stereo input, but two stereo outputs...not much different than the IO. I don't need it, but the addtional stereo output might be useful to someone. >> 4. RME Hammerfall HDSP Laptop Cardbus - >> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/cardpci.htm#CARDBUS - $299 > > This will have an extra box and you will have to add something like at > least $700 to the mentioned price (though it has really world class > converters) Good catch on this one. Thanks! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 17:26:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85DDE3BF25; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:26:15 -0400 From: Andrew Duke Subject: EMU1616M Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44203737.7010307@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441F2276.9070006@addcom.de> <00ab01c64c71$71ae6db0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441FE4A0.1000109@addcom.de> <01f901c64d0b$e9aff640$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:26:15 +0000 (UTC) I'm very happy with my EMU1616M. Use it for live performances, recording sessions outside the studio, and in the studio. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 17:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8F473BF19; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020001c64d0c$99d2c070$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441F2276.9070006@addcom.de> <00ab01c64c71$71ae6db0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441FE4A0.1000109@addcom.de> <159C73A0-3C9B-4953-9343-65BA2AAE473B@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:26:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 506, in=245217, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <5IYM_.A.rLB.WdDIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:26:46 +0000 (UTC) I like your assessment here, Per, as it aligns to my situation. I too don't need high quality mic-preamps, because my signal doesn't enter my computer until it has been brought to line level by another unit in my rack. I just need a PCMCIA card that will capture that line level input, allow me to process it with VST effects, and then spit it back out through the output. I need it to do this in a transparent way, and not degrade the quality of the input signal. The Soundblaster card I'm using on my old notebook does this very well. I imagine the IO will be even better. I plan to buy it, if the ThinkPad T60p's audio I/O doesn't suffice. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Hi, > > I''m using two solutions that I'm very happy with. The Indigo Echo i/ o > and the RME Multiface. If you listen carefully, the Multiface sounds a > little better on playback. Not much and not enough to justify dragging it > to a gig, since it is not a PCMCIA solution but a combination of a PCMIA > card and a break-out box. But if I need multiple analog (or digital) in- > and output I would bring the RME. > > Both solutions lack built-in mic preamps, a fact that many file as > something negative. But I would rather have that and use the saved money > for a standalone preamp. I have three external mic preamps: a small > (cigarette package sized) one with an added fly mic for reed/ air > instruments, (2) a PreSonus VXP analog preamp with good compressor, > expander and dynamic filters (rarely taking it out of the studio for > gigs) and (3) finally I have a TC Electronics FireworX multi effect > processor, that does well as a mic amp too. > > My preferred laptop set up for live gigs is the small fly mic/preamp > (eventually electric line instruments plugged directly into the second > input of the Fireworx), the Fireworx going into the Echo i/o in stereo. > If possible, I like to also bring an external compressor (RNG) to balance > the stereo output before the PA stage box. Then I also bring a FCB1010 > foot controller and a Faderfox mini hand mixer and some instrument to > make noise with. > > per > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:01:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD8D93BF21; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000d01c64d11$80e74220$2c032052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <20060320230957.3845D3BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060321081638.0285b5b0@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:01:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: Re: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth > >>Hi Andy, >> >>I wondered about the differences in quality and tracking between the >>Filter Pro and the stomp box version - I imagine that the differences in >>audio spec/features are the same as the DL4/Echo-Pro (both of which I >>have). I'm interested in using a filter unit of some kind on flute and >>saxes. > > Sorry, I don't have the stomp box. > ..but I also imagine as you do. > > The Pro version will midi-sync, which is very useful for the random LFO > patterns which are probably the unit's best trick. > The Pro also has an analog bypass option, but i don't know if the pedal > has this. > > the " Tron Up & Down" patches would be nice on sax, as the filter freq > responds to volume. > > Maybe the pedal version sounds better on the synth patches, > if it's a bit more lo-fi then it may take off some of the digital edginess > > andy > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:04:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CBF43BF1F; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2398.128.193.37.212.1142964256.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F84@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom .com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F84@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:04:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: what a loop has to say From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:04:18 +0000 (UTC) > I never liked any of frank zappa's records but I thought his "in his own > words" book was great. My favorite Zappa album is "Shut up and play yer guitar". Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:08:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84BD93BF26; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=r5pDD+pMiB5/IjrI0+5WUV0PfQUu8I8f0eZq5A7BG32rDlBvfWgKd0DSGFvL57xo; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:13:20 -0800 Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <2398.128.193.37.212.1142964256.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Message-Id: <60F046EE-B906-11DA-AF2D-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd48d19ad6d9be6942c390c0dd98f94042daa26b888b88ba812a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.63.221 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:08:27 +0000 (UTC) You might want to give Zappa's "The Grand Wazoo" a listen. joe On Tuesday, March 21, 2006, at 10:04 AM, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >> I never liked any of frank zappa's records but I thought his "in his >> own >> words" book was great. > > My favorite Zappa album is "Shut up and play yer guitar". > > Cheers, > Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:10:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E6DA3BF2E; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <2398.128.193.37.212.1142964256.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F84@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <2398.128.193.37.212.1142964256.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <16413C51-086C-469C-BCA7-BB9827EC82D4@gguitars.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:10:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Can you imagine if Zappa were alive during the bush years? Man I miss him. On Mar 21, 2006, at 1:04 PM, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >> I never liked any of frank zappa's records but I thought his "in >> his own >> words" book was great. >> > > My favorite Zappa album is "Shut up and play yer guitar". > > Cheers, > Kevin > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:11:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AC5D3BF32; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nO/QZ+dFtGF/as2MG1DNRNH4tQ23ZlOTRimAXHzNEj7gLLcuu0yh3Z3uA6ZeSFO2dFpqCQaa5wfCfAdANEWO4XUxI/FtYFDNWhVGRWyZscmQl6OnV7rvOn3oWzcJH0QzOX4NqCbrIV3q+JOlcktVXNjfOrJ0YZQKXmB1cm+RrJw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F84@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F84@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7DD3897C-E4FF-4890-AB53-25CE3EFD2932@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:11:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:11:26 +0000 (UTC) On 21 mar 2006, at 18.17, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I never liked any of frank zappa's records but I thought his "in > his own words" book was great. I didn't like his stuff either, but now I've just found out that I do. Surprisingly. Those cartoonish ultra fast jazz fusion solos that used to sound like noise to my ears have now gained a terrific "genre commentating value". I also like the crazy Flo and Eddie vocals that I found "just stupid" in the seventies. Taste changes ;-) Need get a copy of The Grand Wazoo, can't wait to check that one out with my "new ears". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:12:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7355E3BF27; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bLMWsw1QS0g9UyQJkqrlnC0sWw3Xa2P/4B6QyQM3/SCmaQSV9x9wCEwDUJjiKI+mMCFdKAToQZHwz6plW1hb6c/BqM4zr+UTO3ZtBcSytvLU1jNuCoWFg/ueE6Lr+qyzRtDkWnOR+/3F6XxZ26zoDyEc86JeyIpZXan6N8J++sA= In-Reply-To: <00b301c64d09$ce8a91b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00b301c64d09$ce8a91b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4A12D44E-BBBE-49B1-B215-8AEE452C2F0F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:11:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:12:02 +0000 (UTC) On 21 mar 2006, at 18.06, loop.pool wrote: > I saw a singer the other night who had two microphones on the same > stand..........one for straight unprocessed vocals and one for > processed vocals Interesting. I saw a trumpet player using four different mics on stage. Each mic going into a different fx line-up. So instead of stomping a pedal to catch a loop he simply directed his horn into the mic that fed a delay unit and vice versa. > I love how radical pitch shifting can greatly extend the timbral > range and power of simple found objects) Another cool aspect with pitch shifting is how monitor leakage sometimes can morph into beautiful background layers. As much as I can, with respect for neighbors, I like to rehearse and record live looping with monitor speakers instead of headphones. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:12:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C09EA3BF3C; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UcAmUUd5g7hqQeXzm3V3MZWZ5bMF99KXfeZV+YwMh4kayEzKBIxo7pin3Oym/jf2meNjfWffkrhB3XcXlSyRb0nSD6Z5pCpUBtpNhhkScfxjpXzlqetJcJHkhhXvfzNGVnQ0LyJtWQ6/QhehNGZjXKAd2tsG6yWYgKxqYd9oFcU= ; Message-ID: <20060321181215.91470.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:12:15 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: F/S Mint MONOMACHINE Drummachine-sequencer-synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2398.128.193.37.212.1142964256.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Well, to make room for the Looperlative I had to do some soul searching and something had to go. As much as I love this amazing box, I've ignored it's sequencer for the most part in favor of doing that on my computer. It has some amazing sounds and a presence that samples just don't have, but in my scheme it just doesn't have a prominant enough role. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7400598513 have it it! It's only 8 months old and has never left my studio. for more info go to http://www.monomachine.com Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:15:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D97AF3BF39; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003201c64d13$ceee9f20$49b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F84@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: what DOES a damned loop has to say? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:18:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <9ZQboC.A.LjE.7KEIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:15:23 +0000 (UTC) RE: what a loop has to say> jeez.... aren't we all a bit PC, though, avoiding offence or value judgements like this? I'm going to stick my neck out (for a change)- nik, I personally would take "hot for teacher" over anything on the last "king crimson" album. there, I've said it. :-) duncan. Right on Duncan! I find it interesting that in this group, and other 'academic' groups like ba-newmus, that musicians who actually allow their sexuality, irreverence, high-spirited-ness, impulsiveness and idomatic ideas to have somewhat equal reign---right alongside their anal-itical, quasi-intellectual, academic qualities---get judged as boneheads. These are all qualities that define us as human right? Is it that embarrassing to actualy admit it, or are we trying to selectively 'evolve' to a state where those qualities have fallen by the wayside? I don't *want* to lose those qualities, and in fact cherish them as 'quality of life' factors. Do we really need to practice such denial, to prove we're intelligent beings? I'll definitely take an order of greasy fries, along with that wheatgrass juice Dilbert! Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" C;mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing "Rough" www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:23:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC9073BF28; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004c01c64d15$02703d80$49b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <00b301c64d09$ce8a91b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4A12D44E-BBBE-49B1-B215-8AEE452C2F0F@gmail.com> Subject: Re: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:26:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <2FYEZC.A.HDF._SEIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:23:59 +0000 (UTC) >> On 21 mar 2006, at 18.06, loop.pool wrote: I saw a singer the other night who had two microphones on the same stand..........one for straight unprocessed vocals and one for processed vocals. > Interesting. I saw a trumpet player using four different mics on stage. Each mic going into a different fx line-up. So instead of stomping a pedal to catch a loop he simply directed his horn into the mic that fed a delay unit and vice versa. Mike Patton--saw Bungle a few years back for the 'California' tour, and Patton was using 3 mics. A clean one; another one into fx chain which included keyboard synths with audio input; and the good 'ol harmonica style mic into distortion. He would ring modulate his voice and beyond. I could see him signaling the monitor guy to kill his monitor for particularly extreme processing events. It was truly awesome to see him self-process his voice to accomplish the amazing sounds and changes required for their complex material. Ronnie Montrose--years ago he had a huge pedal board with 5 Ernie Ball volume pedals, and he could blend various effect sends with the array. Very studio-like setup--it was extremely transparent and effective. (no pun intended) Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" C;mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing "Rough" www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:25:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E53C73BF36; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:25:12 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: RE: what a loop has to say X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.32.143 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060321182509.20A10334243@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Me too, but what has EVH done recently? What really memorable, original songs has he written since DLR left? Now I'm going to stick my neck out: I would take ANYTHING off DLRs first three solo albums over anything EVH has done since the split. And DLRs first solo two solo albums are a further illustration. Steve Vai, in spite of his technical ability, has not played on anything as good since. As for Fripp - some of his solo work and a little of his KC output is truely magical and inspirational. Almost as cool as his contributions to 'Heroes', 'Scary Monsters' and 'Parallel Lines'. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: what a loop has to say Date: 21/03/06 17:17 nik, I personally would take "hot for teacher" over anything on the last "king crimson" album. there, I've said it. :-) I never liked any of frank zappa's records but I thought his "in his own words" book was great. duncan. ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:27:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB0773BF43; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:27:20 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: RE: what a loop has to say X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.32.143 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060321182716.DD4FF335C97@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Here's another bit oif iconoclasm. I love some of his songwriting: Sheik Yerbouti, Joe's Garage, Ship Arriving Too Late... et al. But I never thought mush of his guitar playing. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: what a loop has to say Date: 21/03/06 18:04 > I never liked any of frank zappa's records but I thought his "in his own > words" book was great. My favorite Zappa album is "Shut up and play yer guitar". Cheers, Kevin ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:33:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B4233BF48; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:33:40 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: what DOES a damned loop has to say? X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.32.143 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060321183337.1D104338650@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:33:41 +0000 (UTC) ...And we may as well ask 'what does any piece oif music have to say?' Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: what DOES a damned loop has to say? Date: 21/03/06 18:15 Right on Duncan! I find it interesting that in this group, and other 'academic' groups like ba-newmus, that musicians who actually allow their sexuality, irreverence, high-spirited-ness, impulsiveness and idomatic ideas to have somewhat equal reign---right alongside their anal-itical, quasi-intellectual, academic qualities---get judged as boneheads. These are all qualities that define us as human right? Is it that embarrassing to actualy admit it, or are we trying to selectively 'evolve' to a state where those qualities have fallen by the wayside? I don't *want* to lose those qualities, and in fact cherish them as 'quality of life' factors. Do we really need to practice such denial, to prove we're intelligent beings? I'll definitely take an order of greasy fries, along with that wheatgrass juice Dilbert! Miko Biffle ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:34:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9BD73BF15; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rpiZqhCHxu5VKAq6ZYpGab6bjwWpYJZdmagJizrZ7ufqHYBbvdK2PxMP1wBwzBAKuo7rHJpxQfNPGqxUZamtaw1bq+bVH/54Kn7+pEm9+UGv248qHbLJvEfQ9/Vmeq707InmJOC8Q2eMX3Ey9HsGJcKq6boWKACpz6kss7+LvSE= In-Reply-To: <20060321182716.DD4FF335C97@smtp.nildram.co.uk> References: <20060321182716.DD4FF335C97@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <568A51C9-B933-4F08-9583-949ED5BEB3FC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:34:27 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:34:36 +0000 (UTC) On 21 mar 2006, at 19.27, Fluke wrote: > Here's another bit oif iconoclasm. I love some of his songwriting: > Sheik > Yerbouti, Joe's Garage, Ship Arriving Too Late... et al. But I > never thought > mush of his guitar playing. No. He couldn't really play the guitar properly. That's what I like with his guitar solos. He knew it and just did it way over the top, four hundred percent overkill. "Cartoonish" is the world! Lovely cartoonish. It just makes me warm and fuzzy to hear it ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:38:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D97C23BF57; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006b01c64d17$09677700$49b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: Subject: Re: what a damned loop has to say Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:41:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <9FrbBC.A.V5F.kgEIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:38:28 +0000 (UTC) > Me too, but what has EVH done recently? What really memorable, original songs has he written since DLR left? Now I'm going to stick my neck out: I would take ANYTHING off DLRs first three solo albums over anything EVH has done since the split. Let's just say that many of us have other life issues and lessons we're dealing with, and have failed to manage ourselves in ways that would allow us to continue producing work at our highest level... me included. It's sad but true. Recovery is a bitch... > As for Fripp - some of his solo work and a little of his KC output is truely magical and inspirational. Almost as cool as his contributions to 'Heroes', 'Scary Monsters' and 'Parallel Lines'. Fripp's input on side projects seems much less contrived to me. 'Scary Monsters' is the most unbelieveable recording. As testimony for Vai, I would nominate his performance on PIL's 'generic' recording, with Ginger Baker, Bill Laswell and Nicky Skopelitis as an all-time high as well. Absolutely killer playing and chemistry. Finally... what anyone is doing today is beside the point. If they've contributed anything, we're in their debt. For whatever reason, not everyone is going to continually pop out classic material. We all have our ups and downs, and I'd like to attempt being generous and allow those who have fallen on harder times the possibility of some dignity and recovery. I'd do the same for any of you! Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing "Rough" www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:44:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D9DF3BF59; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VoE+55oFL+32nl+z4R/Jgkl+L8oY77WK4mkW0525RZWc9Hf0DDQ5zxLwzASNP31Jp0A0eY8hSLu7C8ZME8Re01gjjEgSPe/dEheMeVhzlIz67fwODR10p+yJY5DeiwcjTnwRDkh9RjrdnpfCgJ5cBqvD2FNsaxHSznzz0JKNrEY= ; Message-ID: <20060321184411.87541.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:44:11 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01f901c64d0b$e9aff640$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1095311293-1142966651=:86300" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0faUO.A.BMG.7lEIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:44:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-1095311293-1142966651=:86300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit After a thorough research on this subject, I found out that if one needs multiple audio IN/OUTS, MIDI IN/OUT, HI-Z input, good mic preamps, low latency, etc., there are two excellent laptop interfaces in the category of "under $500" 1) Yamaha i88x - this might be overall a better choice, except that it is larger in size (480 x 373 x 44mm), i.e. not as portable as the second one. This is a firewire interface. You should be able to find it for $380 new. This one apparently competes well with MOTU's and Digidesign's more expensive interfaces. 2) E-MU 1616M. Connects via included PCMCIA card. It's around $500. Both of these interfaces were reviewed in 'Sound on Sound' and a number of other tech magazines. Rafko Kris Hartung wrote: From: "Stefan Tiedje" >> 1. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - >> http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=204&product=10769 >> - $100 > No Mic/Inst input, only stereo in and out. I would not expect it to be > better than the built in High Definition parts of your ThinkPad I think your comments on the quality of these PCMCIA units is not entirely and unanimously on base, relative to desired outcomes of differenet musicians, home or professioa, relative standards of quality, and use cases. You say "The aim of these cards are home musicians, not professionals." This is somewhat of a black and white statement. There are a lot of "professional" musicians, however we define that, who use what audiofiles might consider sub-standard quality gear. For that matter, a rock guitarist using an 8 bit effects stompbox should be completely out of the picture here. Certainly, for super hi fi production, like making movie soundtracks, or multi-tracking bands, etc...these cards are not the way to go. However, there is a whole separate range of use cases where they are perfectly fine. For instance, I already use this Soundblaster card above in my other notebook computer. I used it for my last two CDs and all my live performances, and I've never heard a single comment on lack of quality or fidelity. I'd be willing to bet that if we did a blind test of CDs, using PCMCIA and higher qualiter firewire/USB units, it would be very difficult to tell a difference, mainly becuase there are too many factors at play here that effect the quality. One effects processor in the signal chain can nullify the "pristine" quality of a D/A converter. It's the whole system, the holistic gear context taht drives the overall output. And honestly, I can't tell the difference myself between my recordings, or others' recordings using these inexpesive audio interface, and others that folks make with USB or Fireware based audio interfaces. And the Soundblaster card does indeed, and entirely blow away the quality of the stock soundcard on the notebook. I can't say whether this will be the case for the ThinkPad T60p and the Intel High Definition Audio integrated, however. I will wait to try out the T60 audio I/O before I buy a PCMCIA card. >> 2. Echo IO >> ttp://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200 > Same as above Same as above for me too...but even more so here. The reviews of this IO unit seem to indicate that it produces higher quality results than the Soundblaster. So I'm guessing the IO is more than what I need...unless I decide to start producing moving sound tracks, recording entire bands, etc..for commerical viability. For solo looping with the guitar, I think the IO is a perfect option for quality and portability, size, etc. Again, I'll wait to here the T60p audio I/O first....who knows, maybe I'll get lucky! :) >> 3. Echo DJ - >> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200 > > Doesn't seem to have any inputs. (You're not a DJ, are you?) It has a stereo input, but two stereo outputs...not much different than the IO. I don't need it, but the addtional stereo output might be useful to someone. >> 4. RME Hammerfall HDSP Laptop Cardbus - >> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/cardpci.htm#CARDBUS - $299 > > This will have an extra box and you will have to add something like at > least $700 to the mentioned price (though it has really world class > converters) Good catch on this one. Thanks! Kris --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-1095311293-1142966651=:86300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
After a thorough research on this subject, I found out that if one needs multiple audio IN/OUTS, MIDI IN/OUT, HI-Z input, good mic preamps, low latency, etc., there are two excellent laptop interfaces in the category of "under $500"
 
1) Yamaha i88x - this might be overall a better choice, except that it is larger in size
    (480 x 373 x 44mm), i.e. not as portable as the second one. This is a firewire  
    interface. You should be able to find it for $380 new. This one apparently competes
    well with MOTU's and Digidesign's more expensive interfaces. 
 
2)  E-MU 1616M. Connects via included PCMCIA card. It's around $500.
 
Both of these interfaces were reviewed in 'Sound on Sound' and a number of other tech magazines.
 
Rafko
Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
From: "Stefan Tiedje"

>> 1. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook -
>> http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=204&product=10769
>> - $100

> No Mic/Inst input, only stereo in and out. I would not expect it to be
> better than the built in High Definition parts of your ThinkPad

I think your comments on the quality of these PCMCIA units is not entirely
and unanimously on base, relative to desired outcomes of differenet
musicians, home or professioa, relative standards of quality, and use cases.
You say "The aim of these cards are home musicians, not professionals."
This is somewhat of a black and white statement. There are a lot of
"professional" musicians, however we define that, who use what audiofiles
might consider sub-standard quality gear. For that matter, a rock guitarist
using an 8 bit effects stompbox should be completely out of the picture
here. Certainly, for super hi fi production, like making movie soundtracks,
or multi-tracking bands, etc...these cards are not the way to go. However,
there is a whole separate range of use cases where they are perfectly fine.
For instance, I already use this Soundblaster card above in my other
notebook computer. I used it for my last two CDs and all my live
performances, and I've never heard a single comment on lack of quality or
fidelity. I'd be willing to bet that if we did a blind test of CDs, using
PCMCIA and higher qualiter firewire/USB units, it would be very difficult to
tell a difference, mainly becuase there are too many factors at play here
that effect the quality. One effects processor in the signal chain can
nullify the "pristine" quality of a D/A converter. It's the whole system,
the holistic gear context taht drives the overall output. And honestly, I
can't tell the difference myself between my recordings, or others'
recordings using these inexpesive audio interface, and others that folks
make with USB or Fireware based audio interfaces. And the Soundblaster card
does indeed, and entirely blow away the quality of the stock soundcard on
the notebook. I can't say whether this will be the case for the ThinkPad
T60p and the Intel High Definition Audio integrated, however. I will wait to
try out the T60 audio I/O before I buy a PCMCIA card.

>> 2. Echo IO
>> ttp://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200

> Same as above

Same as above for me too...but even more so here. The reviews of this IO
unit seem to indicate that it produces higher quality results than the
Soundblaster. So I'm guessing the IO is more than what I need...unless I
decide to start producing moving sound tracks, recording entire bands,
etc..for commerical viability. For solo looping with the guitar, I think the
IO is a perfect option for quality and portability, size, etc. Again, I'll
wait to here the T60p audio I/O first....who knows, maybe I'll get lucky!
:)

>> 3. Echo DJ -
>> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200
>
> Doesn't seem to have any inputs. (You're not a DJ, are you?)

It has a stereo input, but two stereo outputs...not much different than the
IO. I don't need it, but the addtional stereo output might be useful to
someone.

>> 4. RME Hammerfall HDSP Laptop Cardbus -
>> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/cardpci.htm#CARDBUS - $299
>
> This will have an extra box and you will have to add something like at
> least $700 to the mentioned price (though it has really world class
> converters)

Good catch on this one. Thanks!

Kris



Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-1095311293-1142966651=:86300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:45:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F3893BF60; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008101c64d18$00ac8d20$49b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060321183337.1D104338650@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Subject: Re: what DOES a damned loop has to say? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:48:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Good question... I wish I knew! Sometimes the damndest things have meaning to *someone* and far be it for me to deny them their experience. I pick and judge right along with everyone else, so yes I have favorites. Without *narrative*, does anyone really have an answer to your question? It's all subjective, innit? -Miko > ...And we may as well ask 'what does any piece oif music have to say?' > Nik >> Right on Duncan! >> I find it interesting that in this group, and other 'academic' groups like >> ba-newmus, that musicians who actually allow their sexuality, irreverence, >> high-spirited-ness, impulsiveness and idomatic ideas to have somewhat equal >> reign---right alongside their anal-itical, quasi-intellectual, academic >> qualities---get judged as boneheads. >> These are all qualities that define us as human right? Is it that >> embarrassing to actualy admit it, or are we trying to selectively 'evolve' >> to a state where those qualities have fallen by the wayside? I don't *want* >> to lose those qualities, and in fact cherish them as 'quality of life' >> factors. Do we really need to practice such denial, to prove we're >> intelligent beings? I'll definitely take an order of greasy fries, along >> with that wheatgrass juice Dilbert! >> Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 18:49:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EA2C3BF5F; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:49:25 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: what a loop has to say X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.32.143 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060321184921.457123375BB@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:49:42 +0000 (UTC) No. Emphatically not. EVH and Vai are both great guitarists no matter who is prancing about on stage with them. But they are NOT great composers. DLR is a much better songwriter - within his genre. He can take their improvised noodlings and create a rock song. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: "Kelly Coyle" To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: what a loop has to say Date: 21/03/06 18:30 So the take-home message is that DLR is the cause of great guitar playing? On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Fluke wrote: > Me too, but what has EVH done recently? What really memorable, > original > songs has he written since DLR left? Now I'm going to stick my neck > out: I > would take ANYTHING off DLRs first three solo albums over anything > EVH has > done since the split. > > And DLRs first solo two solo albums are a further illustration. > Steve Vai, > in spite of his technical ability, has not played on anything as > good since. > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 19:25:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA5703BEDC; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2054.128.193.37.212.1142969108.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <2398.128.193.37.212.1142964256.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F84@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <2398.128.193.37.212.1142964256.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:25:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: what a loop has to say From: johnsrude@peak.org To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Instead of asking "What a loop has to say." the better question is: "What do you have to say?" All the rest is just implementation. Tell me a story. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 19:38:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FB9F3BEE8; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Best Cheap Guitar Synth Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:37:57 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003601c64d1e$f52f8e50$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060321090107.84363.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZMxf6TSncY+HzkSY6d97vM5SSElgAWL9qg Resent-Message-ID: <8C1ulD.A.fLB.aYFIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Stephen said: > The Filter Factory on the other hand, sounds as clear > and as deep as a snow-fed mountain stream. The only problem > I have with it is that the distortion segment is a bit lame. > But that's neither here nor there. You also may want to look > into the Filter Queen, almost the same exact unit while > taking up half the space. I've owned both and have kept the > Filter Factory. I can't say the same about the distortion. I liked it very much for very subtle to mild distortion (like for putting on a drum mix). But it's not the kind of distortion for completely destroying a signal with harmonics all over the place. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 19:42:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 672823BEDC; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000b01c64d1f$f39522c0$49b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <003601c64d1e$f52f8e50$0601a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:45:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:42:18 +0000 (UTC) > Stephen said: > > The Filter Factory on the other hand, sounds as clear and as deep as a snow-fed mountain stream. The only problem I have with it is that the distortion segment is a bit lame. But that's neither here nor there. You also may want to look into the Filter Queen, almost the same exact unit while taking up half the space. I've owned both and have kept the Filter Factory. > I can't say the same about the distortion. I liked it very much for very subtle to mild distortion (like for putting on a drum mix). But it's not the kind of distortion for completely destroying a signal with harmonics all over the place. Rainer Don't these units have an fx loop that can be toggled between pre and post? Maybe I'm thinking of one of the other units, but they seemed pretty versatile. Maybe you could put your favorite fuzz noise grenade into the fx loop? Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" C;mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing "Rough" www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 20:21:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B9CB3BED3; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tkZU/uLmBvlckXEQwW+i1BL4U3Df7o1t0oYhW3VGQyS/an8emM+/xB0/+NOrZiSa; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <13826504.1142972477261.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:21:16 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ced71c60f17f5ab22e2de9e6d460fc25350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Doug, the kind of wretched excess you envision is truly rock and roll. If I had a beer in my hand, I'd raise it in your honor. ~Tim www.myspace.com/timmungenast -----Original Message----- >From: Douglas Baldwin >Sent: Mar 21, 2006 11:51 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth > >I'm weighing in really late on this, but I've been deep into the Boss GT-3 >(guitar multi-fx pedal) ever since it first came out. The GT-3 has an >excellent synth-like feature (actually *four* if I remember correctly) which >tracks really about perfect (in mono) in one mode. Along with numerous >*deep* filter and distortion sounds and a gajillion blank patches to build >your own custom creations, the GT-3 is a powerful effects processor that >could do some serious synth-like sounds. I've got a few patches stored that >do the mini-Moog thing stupidly well. Toss a Digitech Whammy into the >outboard FX loop and you're living in synth city! I know the GT series is up >to the GT-8 and GT-Pro, but that's my point exactly: I'll bet you could >score a GT-3 (or GT-5 or GT-6) for maybe $150 on eBay, then grab one of >those "unpopular" second-edition Whammys for $50. There's your guitar synth >simulator for $200! > As for me, I'm dreaming about buying five more GT-3s and using an RMC >piezo bridge pickup to split my guitar output into six signals. Send each >signal/string to a seperate GT-3 and we're talking polyphonic mutated >sickola heaviosity! > >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net > >"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic >hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's >also a negative side." >--- Hunter S. Thompson > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 20:25:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BCC43BEB9; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=BrZXvM131ntv4VjpMabKIGcLAeSInjRv65KsdxOyOp6IyDLWRk4AZ4uIF1uVOtmM; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <23538804.1142972742517.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:25:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: toy megaphone schematic? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9409e06d8d74cf7989bdd5fcb9820d99436350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang: Anyone know where I can get a schematic for the toy megaphone made by a company called PC Sound? It's a purple-and-fuschia megaphone that does awesome robot sounds etc. I made on eintoi a stompbox and now I need some guidance, esp. a schematic. Thanks, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 20:39:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 373803BECA; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authentication-Warning: hiei.bluefrog.com: apache set sender to mizfeldman@bluefrog.com using -f Message-ID: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:39:04 -0500 From: mizfeldman@bluefrog.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what DOES a damned loop has to say? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:39:06 +0000 (UTC) i second the fries. what's more, impulsiveness, high spiritedness, "low brow" and low-fi are not just quality-of-life issues, they're quality-of-art issues. in their time, shakespeare's plays were "lowbrow" entertainment, like "hot for teacher" ... not that diamond dave is the new bill shakespeare ... :) anyway, i'm very interested in the nearly-exhausted thread about laptops/audio interface options. would anyone like to post their current live performance laptop setup, for comparison purposes? >> RE: what a loop has to say> jeez.... aren't we all a bit PC, though, avoiding offence or value judgements like this? I'm going to stick my neck out (for a change)- nik, I personally would take "hot for teacher" over anything on the last "king crimson" album. there, I've said it. duncan. Right on Duncan! I find it interesting that in this group, and other 'academic' groups like ba-newmus, that musicians who actually allow their sexuality, irreverence, high-spirited-ness, impulsiveness and idomatic ideas to have somewhat equal reign---right alongside their anal-itical, quasi-intellectual, academic qualities---get judged as boneheads. These are all qualities that define us as human right? Is it that embarrassing to actualy admit it, or are we trying to selectively 'evolve' to a state where those qualities have fallen by the wayside? I don't *want* to lose those qualities, and in fact cherish them as 'quality of life' factors. Do we really need to practice such denial, to prove we're intelligent beings? I'll definitely take an order of greasy fries, along with that wheatgrass juice Dilbert! Miko Biffle ------------------------------------------------------ This message was sent using BlueFrog's Webmail System http://www.bluefrog.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 20:40:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 717DE3BED2; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000f01c64d28$08cb2740$49b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <13826504.1142972477261.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Re:Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:42:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:40:10 +0000 (UTC) > From: Douglas Baldwin > As for me, I'm dreaming about buying five more GT-3s and using an RMC piezo bridge pickup to split my guitar output into six signals. Send each signal/string to a seperate GT-3 and we're talking polyphonic mutated sickola heaviosity! I'll vouch for the GT series as well. I prefer the GT-5 because it has a built in power supply, and some delay tricks that the latter GT's messed up for some weird reason. Anyway, I've had 3 GT-5's, a GT-3, a GX-700 which was quite a nice rack processor, and maybe a few unique tricks up it's sleeve as well. I tried the GT-6, and it didn't resolve the delay and loop issues so I just repurchased a GT-5 and am really happy with it. The GT-5 doesn't have much delay, but you can loop it crazily, spilling into the next patch repeatedly (all with different fx and distos!). Nearly all of my recorded work is with some form of Boss amp modelling. Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" C;mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing "Rough" www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 20:43:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF7BD3BEDE; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:43:43 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003a01c64d28$24df1c70$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <441F396E.6090409@speakeasy.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZMdb6kMLS1E3WdQuuMyb4DlG4cHwAqm5lQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Ok, are the effects loops pre or post send? (If they're not pre, you = might not be able to generally optain the result you're looking for). Regarding the shifters themselves. I was always fairly content with my = old digitech StudioQuad (which also has the nice property of four channels = I/O, so you could install it both pre and post EDPs and use different patches = for shifting either the outs or the ins). When I want good pitch shifting, I = use the Eclipse (which has a price which can easily compete with a pair of = EDPs ;). To play into Rick's hands here, I'll recommend the Zoom 1201 (1HU rack = unit) here, for two reasons: first, it's very cheap. second, you control the amount of pitch shift with a 11-position switch and another dial which changes between shift up and shift down. This allows by turning these = two dials while having a melodic loop play through it for some quasitonal weirdness. The quality: don't shift more than a fourth or a fifth at = most, unless you are prepared for some very pitch-shifted-sounding material. The FireworX doesn't for my taste live up to the quality level I'd = expect from a device which tells me the name of the software manufacturer responsible for the pitch shifting at every startup. Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Dennis Montgomery [mailto:morpheus@speakeasy.net]=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. M=E4rz 2006 00:23 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s >=20 > *** > Do you want to shift the input or the output only, or both?=20 > Do you want to have loops that move up in pitch each turn=20 > around? Are you ok with using a mixer in addition to the EDPs=20 > and the shifter? How much do you want to spend?=20 > *** >=20 > As much flexibility as possible and I already use a mixer so=20 > no problem there. It has > 2 unused effects loops I can utilize. Should have mentioned=20 > at the start, I'm looking for a standalone hardware solution.=20 > As far as price, it's the usual...as little as I have to as=20 > much as I can :-)=20 >=20 > Dennis =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 20:57:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E89D3BEDF; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.029295 secs Process 19307) Message-ID: <3533.88.109.254.225.1142974640.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> References: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:57:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Laptop setups From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:57:21 +0000 (UTC) > [snip] would anyone like to post their > current live performance laptop setup, for comparison purposes? I've just recently sold my two echo pro's on ebay (for ~£300 each!), and am about to buy a Packard Bell P4 3.2Ghz 1GB laptop for my live rig (running Mobius). I have a MidiSport 1x1 USB interface, Edirol UA-5 USB audio interface, Behringer FCB1010 floor controller (and might purchase a 2nd for full control) & Evolution MK-425C USB keyboard. I have a Yamaha MG10/2 mixer which then goes into a Boss GT6 before going into the audio interface. My instruments are 6 string electric violin, mandola, slide guitar, flutes, didge and hopefully (if the hardware allows) virtual synths/samplers. I'm getting quite excited :) - Stuart Wyatt http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 21:00:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A61583BED5; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> References: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Laptop Set-up.... Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:00:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:00:05 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:39 PM, mizfeldman@bluefrog.com wrote: > > anyway, i'm very interested in the nearly-exhausted thread about=20 > laptops/audio interface options. would anyone like to post their=20 > current live performance laptop setup, for comparison purposes? For my live shows: Powerbook 1.5GHZ My own instrument created in MAX/MSP M-Audio Firewire1814 I use zero outboard processors. Laptop ontrolled by: doepfer drehbank (about to go away) m-audio oxygen8 (notes are used as on/off switches for modules) 4 Roland EV-5 pedals It is fed my quarter-tone trumpet via Shure Beta56/57 You guys would love my looper.....created in max/msp....synchronous /=20 asynchronous loops, independent stereo tracks: each with their own=20 real-time vari-speed with or without pitch change, stereo placement=20 control, and more...thanks to the wonderful Andrew Pask for that..... Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 21:03:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 104A93BEDD; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Laptop setups Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:03:23 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003b01c64d2a$e4960540$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <3533.88.109.254.225.1142974640.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZNKgx76CT0mZ7KSZqYlDcgO+5RewAAHeww Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Toshiba Sattelite Pro 2600 (PIVM 2GHz, 1GB RAM), Presonus Firebox, Behringer BCR2000, Behringer FCB1010, pair of headphones (haven't decided which, but most probably a pair of earplug thingies) and headset mic (Beyer). And a guitar or bass guitar and a MIDI keyboard I can get my hands on at the site of the performance. Without the guitar and keyboard, this all fits into a small rucksack. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 21:09:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16A183BED6; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1324.212.205.239.4.1142975335.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:08:55 +0200 (EET) Subject: Michael Manring:Using Loopers As A Practice Tool From: "Costas Andreou" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: contact@costasandreou.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Hello everyone! Michael Manring has written an article about using loopers as a practice tool. It is published on the International Institute of Bassists website: http://www.instituteofbass.com/bass_lessons/michael_manring/loopers/ greetings Costas Andreou ||bass||loops||electronics|| http://www.costasandreou.com contact@costasandreou.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 21:11:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1B513BEDF; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <319.9e2442.3151c60f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:11:43 EST Subject: Re: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_319.9e2442.3151c60f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:11:53 +0000 (UTC) --part1_319.9e2442.3151c60f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dennis.....perhaps an alesis "ineko"......you can send a mono out from each edp into the ineko and then have stereo outs from it, you will be able to pitch shift each edp seperately (L-R).....it will do a whole bunch more.....no-midi.....but knobs on a very small table top box.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_319.9e2442.3151c60f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dennis.....perhaps an alesis "ineko"...= ...you can send a mono out from each edp into the ineko and then have stereo= outs from it, you will be able to pitch shift each edp seperately (L-R)....= .it will do a whole bunch more.....no-midi.....but knobs on a very small tab= le top box.....mic



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 --part1_319.9e2442.3151c60f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 21:17:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 190A83BED2; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:17:51 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what DOES a damned loop has to say? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <317F0DF7.2896B94C.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.79.184.135 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <0Au2K.A.JYH.E2GIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:17:57 +0000 (UTC) I have stayed out of this debate so far, but I will merely bow to Edwin Morgan and John Cage: i have nothing to say and i am saying it and that is poetry (Opening The Cage : Fourteen Variations on Fourteen Words) - Tony __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. 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Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 21:19:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2721A3BEE0; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <003b01c64d2a$e4960540$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <003b01c64d2a$e4960540$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <81CA1C38-986A-42F0-BD50-DABB4C6D87FB@gguitars.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Laptop setups Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:19:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Godin Multiac D Tar Mama Bear Powerbook G4 1.5 gig FireWire 410 Live 5.0 Looperlative LP1 Berhinger FCB1010 ElectroHarmonix Pog Lexicon Delay Jameson Guiness Lots o fun. On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Toshiba Sattelite Pro 2600 (PIVM 2GHz, 1GB RAM), Presonus Firebox, > Behringer > BCR2000, Behringer FCB1010, pair of headphones (haven't decided > which, but > most probably a pair of earplug thingies) and headset mic (Beyer). > > And a guitar or bass guitar and a MIDI keyboard I can get my hands > on at the > site of the performance. > > Without the guitar and keyboard, this all fits into a small rucksack. > > Rainer > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 21:30:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71F813BEE6; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WhxkSv5gSaC7W1nuZcKyxOLinKZoqro7V4H5BKrGgHcz2iqHt7hPdsplRvSBsCaD3aiFS+yNt08RjjvCWq0r2kqpSiqzIKLmAEWIIOCPL7CFYBWhoedDNJeTT0C46JcjuQLXdNxVrXWSEXL88PHv49iC+1Nf+SLW1Dk36v5B+ME= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <003b01c64d2a$e4960540$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <003b01c64d2a$e4960540$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7054D8CA-3EC6-4003-B54C-335548FF7401@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop setups Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:30:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:30:56 +0000 (UTC) For live looping: Zepto 15", Intel Pentium M 755 2.0 GHz Dothan (Centrino), 1 G ram (so far, may go for 2 if needed), 60 GB 7200 RPM drive. Indigo Echo i/o PCMCIA sound card. FCB1010, Faderfox LV1, Faderfox LX1. Pocket size mic amp + fly mic: Power Module audio-technica (XLR output). I can easily move this little mic between different instruments. One year ago I was planning to get a headset for voice and beat-boxing but then I added flute to my instrument arsenal and now I don't need a headset an more (hose clip for mic mounted close to mouth on the flute). TC electronic FireworX for sound shaping before looping (had to make my own patches, the factory presets were miles awy from my taste). As software: Mobius, mostly run as standalone (eventual reverb created "as instrument" in the FireworX and looped as it is). Istruments used are Alto Travers flute, voice and tenor sax on the fly mic input (left FireworX input) and electric guitar as direct line input (right FireworX input). per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 21:34:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E4583BEE4; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <027201c64d2f$2a23aaa0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <008d01c64b47$0bf080b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <10df01c64b73$9d5b5ad0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <129401c64bbf$2d072ec0$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00e201c64cd2$4c26c450$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:33:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 506, in=245625, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Note to all - only send me URLs that go directly to, and end with *.mp3. The playlist won't recognize URLs that call out a script, which eventually launches an MP3 file. Kris >> #EXTINF: Song Title - Artist - CD or Event >> http://URL to your MP3 file >> >> Here is the playlist, currently just Y2K5 recordings: >> >> http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 21:53:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28D273BED6; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <286.7cc45d5.3151cfef@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:53:51 EST Subject: filter factory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_286.7cc45d5.3151cfef_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <9dSF4.A.6fB.2XHIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:53:58 +0000 (UTC) --part1_286.7cc45d5.3151cfef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/21/06 4:01:14 AM, vsyevolod@yahoo.com writes: > The Filter Factory on the other hand, sounds as clear and as deep as a=20 > snow-fed mountain > stream.=A0 >=20 stephen.....i have a ff also but i have been disapointed in it.....how do=20 you use your's?.....i may be using mine "incorrectly"......it was in the aux= =20 send of my mackie 1202 going to my mo-fx (all i use on this is the delay/loo= per)=20 into the ff then out to my rang.....i've taken it out of my signal chain=20 altogether as of late.....i'm looking at it now and it looks kool with its=20 brothers and sisters mofx-warpfactory-filterfactory but all i use as i have=20= said is=20 the delay on the mo-fx.....its like a "retro" stage prop with all the knobs=20= and=20 lites, can't have enuf of those!.....mic n.p. L.D. COMPILATION # 3.....loverly! www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_286.7cc45d5.3151cfef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/21/06 4:01:14 AM, vsyevolod@yahoo.com writes:


The Filter Factory on= the other hand, sounds as clear and as deep as a snow-fed mountain
stream.=A0


stephen.....i have a ff also but i have been disapointed  in it....= .how do you use your's?.....i may be using mine "incorrectly"......it was in= the aux send of my mackie 1202 going to my mo-fx (all i use on this is the=20= delay/looper) into the ff then out to my rang.....i've taken it out of my si= gnal chain altogether as of late.....i'm looking at it now and it looks kool= with its brothers and sisters mofx-warpfactory-filterfactory but all i use=20= as i have said is the delay on the mo-fx.....its like a "retro" stage prop w= ith all the knobs and lites, can't have enuf of those!.....mic
n.p. L.D. COMPILATION # 3.....loverly!



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 --part1_286.7cc45d5.3151cfef_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 21:55:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2119C3BED3; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <030201c64d32$17ecb450$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> Subject: Re: Laptop Set-up.... Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:54:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 508, in=248262, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:54:59 +0000 (UTC) You must be a human compressor, Jeff. I see no outboard compressor in your signal chain. :) I am very interested in trying out a total notebook system as you present here, or at least one that consists of nothing but my new ThinkPad notebook and the Looperlative. Although I am DYING to see how this Intel duo core processor handles both my VST effects and Mobius at the same time. I will be one happy man when I walk into a gig with nothing but my guitar and a notebook. Let's see if I can make this my new goal for Y2K6. Kris ********************* For my live shows: Powerbook 1.5GHZ My own instrument created in MAX/MSP M-Audio Firewire1814 I use zero outboard processors. Laptop ontrolled by: doepfer drehbank (about to go away) m-audio oxygen8 (notes are used as on/off switches for modules) 4 Roland EV-5 pedals It is fed my quarter-tone trumpet via Shure Beta56/57 You guys would love my looper.....created in max/msp....synchronous / asynchronous loops, independent stereo tracks: each with their own real-time vari-speed with or without pitch change, stereo placement control, and more...thanks to the wonderful Andrew Pask for that..... Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 21:59:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 050CA3BEDD; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44207733.7000708@likins.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:59:15 -0500 From: Adrian Likins User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.4.1 (X11/20050929) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth References: <441E4A66.3090000@sasktel.net> In-Reply-To: <441E4A66.3090000@sasktel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Totally agree on the x911. Definately one of my favorites effects. It it glitchy to say the least, but it makes some great sounds. Aside from the "traditional" monosynth swells and filter sweeps, one of my favorite uses is to set the tracking sensisivity to "off" and just let it glitch like mad. Hit a chord and let it feedback and it will burble and bubble madly for minutes. Great fun. Also be aware the x911 patch on the FM-4 doesn't even come close to the real thing. Though the FM-4 has some nice sounds itself. The x911 can be a bit pricey to pick up though, $300-$400 dollars seems typical. Other choices: eh micro synth: pretty cool, but perhaps a bit pricey for what it does boss vf-1: has some "synth patches" that aren't too bad, but far from the total analog freakout of the x911 old 90's korg bass multieffects: I forget the model numbers, but there were a couple of models of korg multieffect pedals in the early 90's that had passable "synth bass" effects. (A4 and A5 models are what I'm thinking of I belive) Adrian Shayne Cafferata wrote: > altho' it will be considered "old and glitchy" by most, one of the best > cheap guitar synth purchases i've made is a korg x911. it has a 1/4" > audio input, so you can use anything, not just guitar, as a controller. > it's main functions are either a monosynth very similar to the ms10 or > a unique polyphonic filter effect with fairly precise envelope-shaping > capability and optional distortion. > as a monosynth w/guitar controller, i've been able to get some great > analog synthbass as well as higher octave flute-type leads. since i've > learned to play with a very clean staccato technique, i've encountered > very little glitching or lag. the triggering is pretty much instantaneous. > as a polyphonic filter effect w/guitar controller, the results are more > varied. you can get an eh micro-synth type of sound with dirt and wank. > you can get cleaner synth-like tones. in this mode the original sound > source is being processed, and when you play polyphonically, glitching > abounds, but i love it and have learned to more or less control it's > intensity and frequency of occurrence. the glitching has a burbling > musicality to it and not at all like the glitching on a gr700. > the greatest asset of the x911 is being able to send anything through > it. the monosynth works amazingly with strictly monophonic sources such > as voice and electronic wind instruments. the filter effect can tranform > mediocre drum machines into a grimy vortex of groove. after owning one > for over five years, i still use it regularly and rarely pass up a > chance to rave about it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 22:10:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 134593BECD; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <442079DF.4030703@likins.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:10:39 -0500 From: Adrian Likins User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.4.1 (X11/20050929) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060319110635.01e16a88@TheNettles.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060320211440.01e49480@TheNettles.com> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060320211440.01e49480@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Kevin wrote: > At 05:44 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote: > >> > >Electro-Harmonix Micro Synth. >> As a processor it's fantastic. It has a built in Square wave fuzz and >> great raspy raw filter which you can set to sweep fast/slow etc. Also it >> has an octaver. The catch is it is monophonic for playing lines and there >> is a lot of triggering issues if you don't get it *just* right. > > > Ooh. Triggering issues. I am so out of here! The distortion plus > filtering solution looks like a good one. > > What are folk's favourite filters? moog moogerfooger low pass filter If you are going the fuzz+filter route, I'd also suggest adding in an octave pedal. A cheap danelectro "chili dog" or a boss oc-2 will really help in getting a synthy sound. One of my favorite synthy sounds is: dano "chilli dog" octave (more or less a boss oc-2 clone) -> dano "french toast" octave fuzz (m/l a foxx tone machine clone) -> moogerfooger low pass with a pedal to sweep the cutoff (though a cheap DOD envelope filter is nice as well) Throwing a phaser/trem/chorus in there somewhere is also fun. the danos+dod setup is probably ~$150 off of ebay. Note that the octave pedals are pretty much monophonic, so keep that in mind. If I understand correctly, a EH microsynth is basicaly just a octave->fuzz->filter. Adrian http://www.phasmatodea.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 22:12:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 515D43BED6; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <032e01c64d34$8d7f82e0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <000001c64cf0$beb73ea0$0202a8c0@Lightning> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:12:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 506, in=245710, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <65cJ0C.A.j4C.UpHIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Excellent. Got 'em in there now! http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u Not sure about anyone else, but I often have to refresh my browser several times to get the latest file...clearing the html cache I suppose. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: RE: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links > Hi Kris, > > Here are a couple of links for me. Thanks for doing in this. As has often > happened of late, I am mightily impressed by your ideas, industry and > generosity. No to mention your music, which I am really enjoying, as I > slowly get to know it. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 22:26:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52C103BEE0; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:24:00 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <442079DF.4030703@likins.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <29LMbB.A.VhD.P2HIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:26:24 +0000 (UTC) > If you are going the fuzz+filter route, I'd also suggest adding in > an octave pedal. A cheap danelectro "chili dog" or a boss oc-2 will > Note that the octave pedals are pretty much monophonic, so keep > that in mind. I agree adding an octave pedal will definetley make things more synthy. however then you also reintroduce tracking/glitching issues which is what he's trying to get away from. > If I understand correctly, a EH microsynth is basicaly just a > octave->fuzz->filter. Kind of. It also has a bizarre type attack/decay envelope and the various triggering sliders let you adjust swell and such. The filter can be set to sweep up and down on both ends9something most filters don't do. Now that i think about the EH Graphic Fuzz and a cheapass Dod Envelope follower or the Mini Qtron woudl be an awesome guitar synth. The fuzz is nice and squarish, the EQ section drastcically adds harmonics/etc to carve synth thpe sounds, andit even has a sensitivinty mode which allows for expressive distortion to be added based on how you play. add that into (or put he filter fist) and you've got an incredibly exp[ressive fulliy tracking "synth" type processed sound in two boxes with full like tweakability on the fly. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 22:31:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFBEE3BEDD; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:10:47 +0100 From: Matthias L X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: numbernine@gmx.net X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <312301066.20060321231047@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re[2]: Laptop Set-up.... In-Reply-To: <030201c64d32$17ecb450$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> <030201c64d32$17ecb450$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:31:12 +0000 (UTC) KH> Although I am DYING to see how this KH> Intel duo core processor handles both my VST effects and Mobius at the same KH> time. I had to get me a new notebook a few weeks ago. I got me a Sony Vaio FE11 with Intel Dual Core. On my last machine (P4M 2.GHz) my setup needed around 66% cpu now it went down to 31%, which makes me quite happy and enthusiastic to try out new stuff, like pitch shifting in Möbius... BUT... the best thing is, that the built-in (SigmaTel) soundcard comes with an ASIO driver! It goes down to 5ms pretty easy, did not try it hard though. So if you don't mind minijacks, you may leave the external soundcard at home for some gigs. Matthias L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 22:34:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 676EC3BEE0; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <035701c64d37$9d1c5ea0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> <030201c64d32$17ecb450$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <312301066.20060321231047@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Laptop Set-up.... Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:34:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 509, in=258405, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Wow....this is encouraging! What's the speed of your duo core processor? I hope the ThinkPad T60p has a similar situation as your soundcard...that will be so convenient to be able to use the current 1/8" jacks. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias L" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: Re[2]: Laptop Set-up.... > KH> Although I am DYING to see how this > KH> Intel duo core processor handles both my VST effects and Mobius at the > same > KH> time. > > I had to get me a new notebook a few weeks ago. I got me a Sony Vaio > FE11 with Intel Dual Core. On my last machine (P4M 2.GHz) my setup > needed around 66% cpu now it went down to 31%, which makes me quite > happy and enthusiastic to try out new stuff, like pitch shifting in > Möbius... > > BUT... > the best thing is, that the built-in (SigmaTel) soundcard comes with > an ASIO driver! It goes down to 5ms pretty easy, did not try it hard > though. So if you don't mind minijacks, you may leave the external > soundcard at home for some gigs. > > Matthias L > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 22:47:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9344D3BECA; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:47:23 +0100 From: Matthias L X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1895272519.20060321234723@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re[4]: Laptop Set-up.... In-Reply-To: <035701c64d37$9d1c5ea0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> <030201c64d32$17ecb450$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <312301066.20060321231047@gmx.net> <035701c64d37$9d1c5ea0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:47:06 +0000 (UTC) It's a 1.86GHz, they say there is a big step between a 1.86 and a 2GHz cpu, but at the time I needed it it was the only available notebook, also the 1.86 should need less power which results in less heat. My old notebook possibly broke down from heat. I can't tell how much I was surprised to find an ASIO driver installed. Matthias KH> Wow....this is encouraging! What's the speed of your duo core processor? I KH> hope the ThinkPad T60p has a similar situation as your soundcard...that will KH> be so convenient to be able to use the current 1/8" jacks. KH> Kris KH> ----- Original Message ----- KH> From: "Matthias L" KH> To: KH> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:10 PM KH> Subject: Re[2]: Laptop Set-up.... >> KH> Although I am DYING to see how this >> KH> Intel duo core processor handles both my VST effects and Mobius at the >> same >> KH> time. >> >> I had to get me a new notebook a few weeks ago. I got me a Sony Vaio >> FE11 with Intel Dual Core. On my last machine (P4M 2.GHz) my setup >> needed around 66% cpu now it went down to 31%, which makes me quite >> happy and enthusiastic to try out new stuff, like pitch shifting in >> Möbius... >> >> BUT... >> the best thing is, that the built-in (SigmaTel) soundcard comes with >> an ASIO driver! It goes down to 5ms pretty easy, did not try it hard >> though. So if you don't mind minijacks, you may leave the external >> soundcard at home for some gigs. >> >> Matthias L >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 21 22:47:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47BC53BEE7; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=eNJ4sWZAF4PA5hTKLxKiblYJs4iMWX/NT1NAHIeGVjAdBlTdzKlnP2e50NCgMzFPAxih8PO9RGDmRxIkSnypbPx6oY2pVjUgytePxJ8iLBojRFwb/kGtEcD1UX43PNO6OBN4hr7YhRduK+h1/lExFzJOt0cVwrcoEwC42bWNZGc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <643BF334-5741-4CF7-964F-1F3FB6D6ED03@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: RP Collier Subject: OT: toy megaphone schematic? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:47:09 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <60EXOB.A.-hE.zJIIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:47:15 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:25 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > Anyone know where I can get a schematic for the toy megaphone made > by a company called PC Sound? > Hi. Make magazine had something on a megaphone/vocoder so you might dig around there. this page: http://www.makezine.com/04/circuitbending has some circuit bending links if you scroll to the bottom. I would query some of the bender sites, they are always happily abusing toys of various sorts and may know where to direct your query. And for anyone interested in audio circuits here is a link from master circuit bender Reed Ghazala: http://www.epanorama.net/links/circuitsites.html regards BobCo http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://tinyurl.com/cr25 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 02:28:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2ADD83BECD; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 02:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ovTJIl/MbCUOY1hXJnS6rp3dLuPkXH1TYBHi+5wQWc203bqhOMB3Ul0AvkcvguSf; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006332223137170@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: toy megaphone schematic? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:31:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940532a3dd3aa81f272f4cd61817059a9b3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.155 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 02:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Mucho thankyou-o! > [Original Message] > From: RP Collier > To: > Date: 3/21/2006 5:47:15 PM > Subject: OT: toy megaphone schematic? > > On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:25 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > > > > Anyone know where I can get a schematic for the toy megaphone made > > by a company called PC Sound? > > > > > Hi. > Make magazine had something on a megaphone/vocoder so you might dig > around there. > > this page: > http://www.makezine.com/04/circuitbending > > has some circuit bending links if you scroll to the bottom. I would > query some of the bender sites, they are always happily abusing toys > of various sorts and may know where to direct your query. > > And for anyone interested in audio circuits here is a link from > master circuit bender Reed Ghazala: > > http://www.epanorama.net/links/circuitsites.html > > regards > > BobCo > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://tinyurl.com/cr25 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 03:26:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BB5B3BEE0; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005201c64d60$72e901f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: semi OT first Thomas Dolby tour in ages Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:26:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Per asked: "any frisco kids on the list gong there?" I'm so there I can't see straight, Per. I only wish I was wealthy enough to just fly you over to do a week's worth of shows culminating in us going to see that show. So far I cannot find any information on the availibity of tickets. The venue, S.F.'s the INDEPENDENT doesn't even have the date listed yet. Speaking of Mr. Dolby, Is anyone familiar with the melancholy tune off of Astrounauts and Heretics called "I love You, Goodbye"? I think this song more perfectly captures the gothic humid sadness of New Orleans and that whole region better than any single song I can think of with the exception of a couple of beautiful Sonny Landreth tunes. It has the most beautiful line about that magical and somehow, ghostly area, "It has a spirit that cannot be broken". Even after the terrible hurricane, I think it is still true. I love Thomas Dolby. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 03:35:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 789703BEEE; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008f01c64d61$b2f7f980$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:35:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Per wrote about Frank Zappa: "No. He couldn't really play the guitar properly. That's what I like with his guitar solos. He knew it and just did it way over the top, " Man, Per, I saw Zappa play an all instrumental gig at the Fillmore Auditorium once with the classic George Duke, Underwoods band with Tom Fowler playing electric trombone instead of a bassist. You could a' fooled me. His guitar playing was off the hook and fantastic. To say he couldn't play guitar properly didn't match anything I know about guitar playing from having played with excellent guitarists all of my life. He may have not been up to Al DiMeola technical skills but that was much to my delight, I have to say. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 03:50:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33E243BEDF; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> References: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:49:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Laptop Set-up... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:50:44 +0000 (UTC) At 3:39 PM -0500 3/21/06, mizfeldman@bluefrog.com wrote: > >anyway, i'm very interested in the nearly-exhausted thread about >laptops/audio interface options. would anyone like to post their >current live performance laptop setup, for comparison purposes? Laptop Setup #1: Chapman Stick (10-string Polycarb or 12-string Maple Grand) Sustainiac Model 'C' Feedback Sustainer 12" Powerbook 1.5 Mhz, 2 Gigs RAM (running Ableton Live 5) Edirol FA-101 Audio Interface M-Audio DPM-3 Preamp Art TCS Dual Optical/VCA Compressor TC Electronic Powercore Firewire Lexicon Vortex w/ Proel exp. pedal Keeley-modified Boss Blues Driver Yamaha Magic Stomp Crate SM2-SRS Digitech PMC-10 Footcontroller w/ EV-5 exp. pedal (Soon to be added here: Roland VG-8 + Boss WP-20g. I'm waiting for my 12-string to come back from having its GK-3 pickup installed. I've got all the other gear just sitting here driving me crazy.) Laptop Setup #2 17" Powerbook 1.67 Mhz, 1.5 Gigs RAM (running Ableton Live 5 & various soft synths) Internal soundcard (aargh! Currently considering either Echo I/O or Echo DJ) Alesis Photon X25 USB MIDI controller Faderfox LV-1 MIDI Fader Module I tend to use either Live's built-in recording or Expert Sleepers' Augustus Loop as my looping software. --m. -- _______ "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 04:15:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDA393BEE9; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <008f01c64d61$b2f7f980$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <008f01c64d61$b2f7f980$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D7A1B9C-ADB7-46FD-96A9-B1241A9AC593@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:11:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:15:05 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 21, 2006, at 9:35 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Per wrote about Frank Zappa: > "No. He couldn't really play the guitar properly. That's what I like > with his guitar solos. He knew it and just did it way over the top, " What is "playing the guitar properly" anyway?? Fwiw, I like Zappa. He wasn't a masterful technician, but he was certainly very capable, and he sure knew what he was doing, too. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 04:18:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C75E3BEE9; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4420D010.5020800@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:18:24 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say References: <008f01c64d61$b2f7f980$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <3D7A1B9C-ADB7-46FD-96A9-B1241A9AC593@midway.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <3D7A1B9C-ADB7-46FD-96A9-B1241A9AC593@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:18:32 +0000 (UTC) It always sounded/looked to me like he was composing in his head, and just absolutely *prying* the notes out of the guitar just as he decided what was next. Sometimes it looked and sounded like he wouldn't be able to play even an 1/8th note run... and then he'd just dominate the instrument and force it to expel the notes. I miss you Frankie! RIP. Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Mar 21, 2006, at 9:35 PM, loop.pool wrote: > >> Per wrote about Frank Zappa: >> "No. He couldn't really play the guitar properly. That's what I like >> with his guitar solos. He knew it and just did it way over the top, " > > > What is "playing the guitar properly" anyway?? > > Fwiw, I like Zappa. He wasn't a masterful technician, but he was > certainly very capable, and he sure knew what he was doing, too. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 04:33:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BA603BEF1; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000d01c64d6a$2fc74b20$88b95545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <008f01c64d61$b2f7f980$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <3D7A1B9C-ADB7-46FD-96A9-B1241A9AC593@midway.uchicago.edu> <4420D010.5020800@pdq.net> Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:36:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:33:49 +0000 (UTC) 'Chops' sometimes don't account for idosyncracratic players like Zappa, Page, Hendrix... You might be able to hit the notes, but there's a fascinating synergy of primitive muscle, sloppiness with absolute commitment, blended with innate musicality, which can't really be learned... that's what really makes your style yours. 10 guys play a lick... 9 sound very similar... one sounds unbelieveable. How did he do that??? Zappa did that. Zappa was also very involved in ingenious effects routing, including piezos under the nut, going direct, etc. Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 04:41:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70B213BEF5; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SKUorjUWL5ytIPdtRpFoX3lu+GW8eiBRkBNxEJ3mZMzRqq5r+HAGWnsDa88+ryzWgPxlMc87gCBV31SPPMkmvsmIwzB5C+yXGF9sv8aGhlxkFr4c/P8b+TnanGl0UE04gGmSVVYlLhLKeZWL56o18ODj/R1H1EG0lowv+7YkZCk= ; Message-ID: <20060322044121.8334.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:41:21 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060321224706.1A8153BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4porGD.A._YB.yVNIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Miko, The Filter Factory and Filter Queen do not have FX loops. The Mo-FX and the Repeater are the only units that feature that. Rainier, Sorry, I should state things more as my opinion and not as a put down of a device per say. When I reach for distortion, I want to have a rich, creamy, thick sound that melts in your mouth. The quality of the Filter Factory distortion (and the Mo-FX, though its distortion has a somewhat different character) is more on the brittle side. That being said, I have used it to good effect, especially when I combine the distortion from both the Mo-FX and the Filter Factory together. This can be heard on the organ sound in the following MP3: http://tinyurl.com/zkehv Stephen > Stephen said: > > The Filter Factory on the other hand, sounds as clear and as deep as a snow-fed mountain stream. The only problem I have with it is that the distortion segment is a bit lame. But that's neither here nor there. You also may want to look into the Filter Queen, almost the same exact unit while taking up half the space. I've owned both and have kept the Filter Factory. > Also Sprach Rainier: > I can't say the same about the distortion. I liked it very much for very subtle to mild distortion (like for putting on a drum mix). But it's not the kind of distortion for completely destroying a signal with harmonics all over the place. Rainer > Zo Zaid Miko: Don't these units have an fx loop that can be toggled between pre and post? Maybe I'm thinking of one of the other units, but they seemed pretty versatile. Maybe you could put your favorite fuzz noise grenade into the fx loop? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 05:00:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 711243BEE2; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BVAd5wEQ4sy2u/iW/Qc/StTsACvq4UILPu0R20CtDFK/PDQP1x/X+0w2O1t6bpNyidhkyJZnuaOqsu8T9Q2iVCMDvihc5pKnIeKOR2lAhDhJuVEILu+I9upll/XghlJlXGjGVwpeJg0Inx0t1KbVblKchoY5DqhOm1cPDF6k7g8= ; Message-ID: <20060322050010.60061.qmail@web34211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:00:10 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Filter Factory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060321224706.1A8153BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Mic, How do I use my Filter Factory? Like you I run aux sends or sub outs from my Mackie (used to be a 1604 or 3204, now a 24-8) first into the Mo-FX then into the FF, and back into two channel strips on the Mackie, (if I were you, I'd not send the Mo/FF to the rang, but send another clean sub or aux to the 'Rang). I do the same with stereo sends and returns for both the Repeater and the Vocoder separately. Are you having problems with sound quality? Or just concerned about the amount of real estate it is taking up? One thing to be sure to check is that you have the Mo-FX set to "Auto" not "Thru" or else you will have a latency loop. I use the delay mix set to "100", then the Filter Factory I set to somewhere around 50/50 wet/dry. I hardly ever use the Flanger (way too harsh sounding to my ear) or the tremolo (not much need for it) and only sometimes the distortion (about 5% of the time). I've got a photo of my setup here: http://tinyurl.com/kktbk Stephen >> stephen.....i have a ff also but i have been disapointed in it.....how do you use your's?.....i may be using mine "incorrectly"......it was in the aux send of my mackie 1202 going to my mo-fx (all i use on this is the delay/looper) into the ff then out to my rang.....i've taken it out of my signal chain altogether as of late.....i'm looking at it now and it looks kool with its brothers and sisters mofx-warpfactory-filterfactory but all i use as i have said is the delay on the mo-fx.....its like a "retro" stage prop with all the knobs and lites, can't have enuf of those!.....mic << __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 05:07:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C091D3BEDF; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060321210619.01d6a1f0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:07:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <20060322044121.8334.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060321224706.1A8153BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> <20060322044121.8334.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:07:07 +0000 (UTC) At 08:41 PM 3/21/2006, you wrote: >The quality of the Filter Factory distortion (and the Mo-FX, though >its distortion has a somewhat >different character) is more on the brittle side. That being said, >I have used it to good effect, >especially when I combine the distortion from both the Mo-FX and the >Filter Factory together. >This can be heard on the organ sound in the following >MP3: http://tinyurl.com/zkehv Which track? There's a variety to choose from. Thanks, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 05:18:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E1BF3BEF4; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <030201c64d32$17ecb450$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> <030201c64d32$17ecb450$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Laptop Set-up.... Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:18:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:18:05 +0000 (UTC) yo kris! The last module does it: PSP Audio's Vintage Warmer (VST object in max=20= is great for hosting all these, though I've also written my own weird=20 limiters)....though, I'm thinking about Elemental Audio's=20 Neodynium....anyone using it out there? Your notebook is perfect, will do way more than my current Powerbook.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 21, 2006, at 1:54 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > You must be a human compressor, Jeff. I see no outboard compressor in=20= > your signal chain. :) I am very interested in trying out a total=20 > notebook system as you present here, or at least one that consists of=20= > nothing but my new ThinkPad notebook and the Looperlative. Although I=20= > am DYING to see how this Intel duo core processor handles both my VST=20= > effects and Mobius at the same time. I will be one happy man when I=20= > walk into a gig with nothing but my guitar and a notebook. Let's see=20= > if I can make this my new goal for Y2K6. > > Kris > > ********************* > For my live shows: > > Powerbook 1.5GHZ > My own instrument created in MAX/MSP > M-Audio Firewire1814 > > I use zero outboard processors. > > Laptop ontrolled by: > > doepfer drehbank (about to go away) > m-audio oxygen8 (notes are used as on/off switches for modules) > 4 Roland EV-5 pedals > > It is fed my quarter-tone trumpet via Shure Beta56/57 > > You guys would love my looper.....created in max/msp....synchronous / > asynchronous loops, independent stereo tracks: each with their own > real-time vari-speed with or without pitch change, stereo placement > control, and more...thanks to the wonderful Andrew Pask for that..... > > Jeff > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 05:48:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9C4F3BEDD; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dGm5YTOLKM1+rpARPX6nO6tPdg/M8aKk/Ot7lV4xGPADQArwvYg/Z/mXi7sNbajTM5yMudbwZ1vn8oSyqdnYPIxbVnW7kovCE/vSQUTctgp5RqDy8MiLZI6m1wQvdVdw9SSSLFXRjI6yFpeY1TI0VH0mJHO3QueBphLMT3OJ25o= ; Message-ID: <20060322054837.90646.qmail@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:48:37 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008f01c64d61$b2f7f980$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-772341537-1143006517=:88109" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:48:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-772341537-1143006517=:88109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i always thought frank looked comfortable with an axe in his hands....kind of like a conductors wand.i couldnt tell who was playing what solo's on the albums most of the time, but i could hear frank in steves playing back in those days.i thought "jazz from hell"a true masterpiece of gear and musicianship.(plus no wacky vocals) zappa~~~~~~~dimeola. find my voice somewhere in the middle always a good time to think, scary. "loop.pool" wrote: Per wrote about Frank Zappa: "No. He couldn't really play the guitar properly. That's what I like with his guitar solos. He knew it and just did it way over the top, " Man, Per, I saw Zappa play an all instrumental gig at the Fillmore Auditorium once with the classic George Duke, Underwoods band with Tom Fowler playing electric trombone instead of a bassist. You could a' fooled me. His guitar playing was off the hook and fantastic. To say he couldn't play guitar properly didn't match anything I know about guitar playing from having played with excellent guitarists all of my life. He may have not been up to Al DiMeola technical skills but that was much to my delight, I have to say. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-772341537-1143006517=:88109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
i always thought frank looked comfortable with an axe in his hands....kind of like a conductors wand.i couldnt tell who was playing what solo's on the albums most of the time, but i could hear frank in steves playing back in those days.i thought "jazz from hell"a true masterpiece of gear and musicianship.(plus no wacky vocals)
       zappa~~~~~~~dimeola. find my voice somewhere in the middle
                                               always a good time to think,
                                                                                         scary.

"loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Per wrote about Frank Zappa:
"No. He couldn't really play the guitar properly. That's what I like
with his guitar solos. He knew it and just did it way over the top, "



Man, Per, I saw Zappa play an all instrumental gig at the Fillmore
Auditorium
once with the classic George Duke, Underwoods band with Tom Fowler
playing electric trombone instead of a bassist.

You could a' fooled me. His guitar playing was off the hook and fantastic.
To say he couldn't play guitar properly didn't match anything I know about
guitar
playing from having played with excellent guitarists all of my life.

He may have not been up to Al DiMeola technical skills but that was much to
my delight, I have to say.


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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-772341537-1143006517=:88109-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 07:52:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9935A3BEE9; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cgAiCcyV+mjGe66UXBcqZsuVw038DCXhCgF1xbWDvGyKyDqsHIZ3f4MQQ5aSuyqod428amzlz2kShCcl3GyTszuLEmyymgI2ovlQk3ezMxVkzb56PN/BfO2JOH8o7IaXnaT6MiHi4J0O1QkpPCl3fQHeoHnBV4hI42/BpWZTrgI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> <030201c64d32$17ecb450$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <48DF1DD5-EB0F-4B11-B613-F571E94D8590@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop Set-up.... Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:52:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:52:49 +0000 (UTC) On 22 mar 2006, at 06.18, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > The last module does it: PSP Audio's Vintage Warmer (VST object in > max is great for hosting all these, though I've also written my own > weird limiters)....though, I'm thinking about Elemental Audio's > Neodynium....anyone using it out there? Yes. I use it whenever I need its unique sound (dynamic compressing). On of Neodynums good sides is that it does its job with very little latency. I think it worked quite well on direct input electric guitar in my laptop. Although I have not tried it myself, a college keeps telling me that he got a great sound on a recorded acoustic guitar out of Neodynum. From knowing Neodynum I imagine he is right. Another software compressor that may be used with almost no latency (fulfills its job within the plugin working buffer) is the Sonalkis one. It does colors the audio with a "traditional analog tone", but I like that. Sonalkis is the only software compressor I may use for live audio - when host application built-in latency compensation is not active, as it is when audio is first recorded before processed. One good use is to slap a stereo Sonalkis on the host applications master stereo out. When you get the levels right you can "play the mix" by your live audio input (the instrument played through the laptop). But usually I save up computer power by using a hardware compressor after the laptop (but before the PA) instead. My hardware RNC doesn't sound as good as the software Sonalkis, but almost. I too use the PSP VintageWarmer a lot. But in a different way that the two mentioned above. VW colors the sound even more and sometimes you need exactly that. It has a good two band multi compressing option. Can easily destroy music of overused ;-) I never use it for live input streams because of its huge latency. VW can feel "dynamically sloppy" on some audio material, like for example drums, but PSP also offers the MixPressor (part of their MixPack) that is incredibly snappy - on recorded material, lots of latency here. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 07:53:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ED573BEEA; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=L+5gcUKEBLWZKjg4/u/rMNVVWZv/X31X941NeOygNqO7En7lQMGaPvnzdMER3n8oFCj6GD2PHxxdQFFkUdWcpOgkZKDv+80iiyNYZh92FkOcvo3DVSIvm7eqIRIabTQpTekJhgBpR3/dlnf/j8SdTFFrRnghNhPss02Q7DDLt6w= In-Reply-To: <000d01c64d6a$2fc74b20$88b95545@Biffoz> References: <008f01c64d61$b2f7f980$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <3D7A1B9C-ADB7-46FD-96A9-B1241A9AC593@midway.uchicago.edu> <4420D010.5020800@pdq.net> <000d01c64d6a$2fc74b20$88b95545@Biffoz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6D25BF42-AA38-44A9-A5FD-1A51B0E82B29@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:53:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:53:15 +0000 (UTC) On 22 mar 2006, at 05.36, Miko Biffle wrote: > 'Chops' sometimes don't account for idosyncracratic players like > Zappa, > Page, Hendrix... You might be able to hit the notes, but there's a > fascinating synergy of primitive muscle, sloppiness with absolute > commitment, blended with innate musicality, which can't really be > learned... > that's what really makes your style yours. 10 guys play a lick... 9 > sound > very similar... one sounds unbelieveable. How did he do that??? > Zappa did > that. Well said! That's what I meant by "couldn't play, knew it and overdid it". I should maybe have put a big smiley there ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 08:07:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B8793BEE4; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <48DF1DD5-EB0F-4B11-B613-F571E94D8590@gmail.com> References: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> <030201c64d32$17ecb450$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <48DF1DD5-EB0F-4B11-B613-F571E94D8590@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <21e31afef8bdd7fd6058c831847f2c08@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Laptop Set-up.... Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:07:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Excellent info. Thanks, Per. I need to lose some latency, so I =20 appreciate the tips. I do like the color of the Vintage Warmer on the =20= trumpet... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 21, 2006, at 11:52 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 22 mar 2006, at 06.18, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >> The last module does it: PSP Audio's Vintage Warmer (VST object in =20= >> max is great for hosting all these, though I've also written my own =20= >> weird limiters)....though, I'm thinking about Elemental Audio's =20 >> Neodynium....anyone using it out there? > > Yes. I use it whenever I need its unique sound (dynamic compressing). =20= > On of Neodynums good sides is that it does its job with very little =20= > latency. I think it worked quite well on direct input electric guitar =20= > in my laptop. Although I have not tried it myself, a college keeps =20 > telling me that he got a great sound on a recorded acoustic guitar out = =20 > of Neodynum. =46rom knowing Neodynum I imagine he is right. > > Another software compressor that may be used with almost no latency =20= > (fulfills its job within the plugin working buffer) is the Sonalkis =20= > one. It does colors the audio with a "traditional analog tone", but I =20= > like that. Sonalkis is the only software compressor I may use for live = =20 > audio - when host application built-in latency compensation is not =20 > active, as it is when audio is first recorded before processed. One =20= > good use is to slap a stereo Sonalkis on the host applications master =20= > stereo out. When you get the levels right you can "play the mix" by =20= > your live audio input (the instrument played through the laptop). But =20= > usually I save up computer power by using a hardware compressor after =20= > the laptop (but before the PA) instead. My hardware RNC doesn't sound =20= > as good as the software Sonalkis, but almost. > > I too use the PSP VintageWarmer a lot. But in a different way that the = =20 > two mentioned above. VW colors the sound even more and sometimes you =20= > need exactly that. It has a good two band multi compressing option. =20= > Can easily destroy music of overused ;-) I never use it for live =20 > input streams because of its huge latency. VW can feel "dynamically =20= > sloppy" on some audio material, like for example drums, but PSP also =20= > offers the MixPressor (part of their MixPack) that is incredibly =20 > snappy - on recorded material, lots of latency here. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?=20 > id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 08:13:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CE7F3BEDF; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=b7XVSX4r5ErtvnH8+5BSUpiQrsLRCClJmdmApQQgttKpcvDwxe+6vZ7HYWvuEICj; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:13:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c64d6a$2fc74b20$88b95545@Biffoz> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48b23c25d509df1e4be1358eb4ec8607244e7a3108705b577b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.214.129 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:13:43 +0000 (UTC) concur on 3/21/06 8:36 PM, Miko Biffle at biffoz@arczip.com wrote: > 'Chops' sometimes don't account for idosyncracratic players like Zappa, > Page, Hendrix... You might be able to hit the notes, but there's a > fascinating synergy of primitive muscle, sloppiness with absolute > commitment, blended with innate musicality, which can't really be learned... > that's what really makes your style yours. 10 guys play a lick... 9 sound > very similar... one sounds unbelieveable. How did he do that??? Zappa did > that. > > Zappa was also very involved in ingenious effects routing, including piezos > under the nut, going direct, etc. > > Miko Biffle > "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" > C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz > Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz > The Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 09:20:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 760F53BEDF; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAB2kIESBaYYWLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060322085759.02878520@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:18:43 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: ReRe: OT :Zappas' guitar playing: In-Reply-To: <20060322080743.4B36C3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060322080743.4B36C3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:20:51 +0000 (UTC) >Well said! That's what I meant by "couldn't play, knew it and overdid >it". I should maybe have put a big smiley there ;-) >per Sure, there's loads of guitarists who can play fast even scales way better than zappa ever could. ..but what about other aspects of technique? It's a very "guitarist" thing to rate musical ability like that :-) For instance, a French Horn player would more likely be judged on their tone than their ability to shred. Zappa's tone, control of feedback, subtle use of wah wah, &so on ....all aspects of technique which are not so easy to emulate. andy ( I agree with Per, I just like listening to it :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 10:12:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9BEA3BEE0; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Mx4NN5aUO55giGHiIeQH01+6FzPJ/yIYEe80T/4qVPY742Uu7gjFVDsXe1OhcyCZVRfQqMwLOGI+GKrdCUu7+Y6lDcEOo4f47loILz6nuVxlSd3EPv6G0EMUnX7guYf6A+TaaJO4AvX7KQmtvfqchF0X8FPEQpGpfnKT6xzrlIk= ; Message-ID: <008301c64d99$2a6699e0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <000a01c64b78$73625260$a33d0852@johnathakdlqtw> Subject: Re: Help! not enough hands.... Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:12:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C64DA1.8B2D40F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <30lbk.A.-SG.hMSIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:12:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C64DA1.8B2D40F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessagePerhaps I don't understand clearly the problem and the setup but = would something like a digitech Jamman works? You can transfer you loops from battery inside the JM with usb and use = the footswitch to cue the next loop. Once the current loop has ended, = the next one will starts and loop until you schedule the next and so on. = You would also be able to overdub on a loop until you trigger the next = one. Ben. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C64DA1.8B2D40F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Perhaps I don't understand clearly the = problem and=20 the setup but would something like a digitech Jamman works?
You can transfer you loops from battery = inside the=20 JM with usb and use the footswitch to cue the next loop. Once the = current=20 loop has ended, the next one will starts and loop until you schedule the = next=20 and so on. You would also be able to overdub on a loop until you trigger = the=20 next one.
 
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Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 13:12:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AD5F3BEF0; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005301c64db2$52ba3410$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: Subject: Zappa be in you Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:12:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/results?related=zappa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 14:32:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D1A93BEE6; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 22 Mar 2006 14:35:21 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:35:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060322143521.345673384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1Tght.A.PBB.p_VIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Hola- I try to stay out of "I like this/I don't like this discussions", but man, = I just gotta say that there are very few guitarists that can hold my attent= ion playing a=20 long "guitar solo". Frank was one of them. I always felt like he truly "c= omposed" on the spot, and his fountain of musical ideas seemed effortlessly= =20 limitless on a good night. In terms of playing guitar "properly", all I ca= n say is he had a style that was all his own. I could pick his playing out= of a lineup=20 in just a few notes, sometimes only one. Granted, a lot of his solos are o= f the same sort (modal explorations over one chord ostinato vamps) but it= =20 almost amazes me even more that he could wrangle so many ideas out of a sim= ple formula. And tone that just killed me. Anyway, just wanted to give Frank some props. Miss him. Joe --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 15:14:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C17A33BEF0; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <369354B4-029A-4EA6-B6B7-FFE49ED4DD2A@gguitars.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Looperlative LP-1 Now Available at G Guitars Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:14:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Sorry. Its actually $1395. Thanks On Mar 21, 2006, at 10:53 AM, Chris Sewell wrote: > I have 2 in stock. G Guitars is the first dealer for this amazing > machine. I've been using it for about an hour and it is AMAZING. I > will get no work done today I assure you. > I have 2 to sell with more on the way. > You can have yours tomorrow. > $1495 includes shipping. > Let me know > Chris > > www.gguitars.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 15:29:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0ADAA3BEEE; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1143041363!34491242!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F9E@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: stumbling around in the dark..... Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:29:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C64DC5.641BD700" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:29:27 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64DC5.641BD700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" ....& accidentally stepping on a midi volume pedal & waking the whole audience up with an unintentionally loud blast of notes? here's one of those pre-coffee, first-thing-in-the-morning ideas I have from time to time. most midi volume & expression pedals have three conductors connected to the parent device. two of these are a ground wire & a source of 5V from inside the device, while the third is the voltage returned from the potentiometer inside the pedal. so- the pedal has a supply of 5V readily available. this means that you can add a 500 ohm resistor inside & a nice bright LED somewhere on the outer surface of the pedal. you could extend this idea to multiple pedals or footswitches, & even colour-code them. hmm....... I'll have to have a look & see if this is workable on the standard footswitches we use with jam-mans & repeaters & the like. the fcb1010 has it's own power supply & one could easily make the whole thing light up like a christmas tree without taxing the circuitry unduly. of course, I'd advise against any such modifications if a) you can't work a soldering iron & b) the equipment concerned is under a warranty you wish to preserve. naturally, I shall be taking the rest of the afternoon off & rushing home to try this out..... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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....& accidentally stepping on a midi volume pedal &a= mp; waking the whole audience up with an unintentionally loud blast of note= s?

here's one of those pre-coffee, first-thing-in-the-mornin= g ideas I have from time to time.

most midi volume & expression pedals have three condu= ctors connected to the parent device. two of these are a ground wire & = a source of 5V from inside the device, while the third is the voltage retur= ned from the potentiometer inside the pedal.

so- the pedal has a supply of 5V readily available.

this means that you can add a 500 ohm resistor inside &am= p; a nice bright LED somewhere on the outer surface of the pedal. you could= extend this idea to multiple pedals or footswitches, & even colour-cod= e them.

hmm....... I'll have to have a look & see if this is = workable on the standard footswitches we use with jam-mans & repeaters = & the like.

the fcb1010 has it's own power supply & one could eas= ily make the whole thing light up like a christmas tree without taxing the = circuitry unduly.

of course, I'd advise against any such modifications if a= ) you can't work a soldering iron & b) the equipment concerned is under= a warranty you wish to preserve.

naturally, I shall be taking the rest of the afternoon of= f & rushing home to try this out.....

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C64DC5.641BD700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 15:37:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F3FA3BEFE; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44216E7E.9000806@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:34:22 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say References: <20060322080743.5392A3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060322080743.5392A3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Zappa. I really miss his presence as a musical satirist during these bush years. He had the audience and independent clout to speak out. Kinda disappointing that the major musical voice of dissension this millenium has been The Dixie Chicks :-) I was thinking how one of his quotes was appropriate to our recent 'effects vs pure instrument' debate. He once said, "The ULTIMATE RULE ought to be: If it sounds GOOD to YOU, it's bitchin'; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty." I like that. The 2nd Zappa album I got was the 'Shut Up n Play Yer Guitar' box set. I liked it but it never really grabbed me...I love his work as a composer much more than as a guitar player. Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 15:50:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 718DE3BEF8; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F9E@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8F9E@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: stumbling around in the dark..... Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:49:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <09YvGC.A.sBE.pIXIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:50:01 +0000 (UTC) That brings up a good point. That being footpedal technique. Ive been trying to incorporate this into my practice routine. Eventually I hope to find any switch as easy as finding an open chord. Play a phrase/hit a switch, etc. The FCB is cool because you can feel the switches without activating them like I did with the voodoo labs. But it would be nice if it just became second nature. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 16:12:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8B023BEF1; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <338.761b18.3152d167@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:12:23 EST Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1143043943" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:12:32 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1143043943 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking og Zappa, has anyone seen the movie Rock School (not "School of Rock") - A documentary about a guy in Philadelphia who teaches kids (from the very small to late teens) to play rock & roll. The students who excel end up in a band learning Zappa tunes and the culmination of the movie is their trip to Germany for a Zappa Festival where they play the ..... heck out of some complex tunes. Good movie ..... Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 -------------------------------1143043943 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Speaking og Zappa, has anyone seen the movie Rock School (not "School o= f=20 Rock") - A documentary about a guy in Philadelphia who teaches kids (from th= e=20 very small to late teens) to play rock & roll.  The students who ex= cel=20 end up in a band learning Zappa tunes and the culmination of the movie is th= eir=20 trip to Germany for a Zappa Festival where they play the ..... heck out of s= ome=20 complex tunes.  Good movie  .....
 
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 -------------------------------1143043943-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 16:14:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A3433BEFC; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:07:20 -0400 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44217638.1080007@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <20060322080743.5392A3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <44216E7E.9000806@speakeasy.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Dennis Montgomery wrote: > Zappa. I really miss his presence as a musical satirist during these > bush years. He had the audience and independent clout to speak out. > Kinda disappointing that the major musical voice of dissension this > millenium has been The Dixie Chicks :-) I still remember vividly stumbling upon Zappa's music for the very first time: I grew up (5-16 years old) in a small town of less than 500 people and babysat for a few families to make some extra $ (guess this small town was enlightened enough even back in the 1980s to realize that guys can be good babysitters as well as girls). Anyway, this family whom I had never babysat before called me at the last minute because their regular sitter was sick. Usual routine until the kids had been put to bed and I noticed they had a big record collection (a first for families I babysat; the others had little to no vinyl). I went through those records voraciously and devoured the covers and sounds: Zappa (those covers, those song titles, those songs!), Genesis (back when Peter Gabriel was still a member), Tangerine Dream, and on and on. Unfortunately I never got to babysit for that family again (they had a regular sitter, after all), but I can look back on that twist of fate as a delicious entryway into new sounds. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 16:15:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98C7B3BEE8; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200603221615.k2MGFHQ05441@vxd.vxidmedia.com> From: "Joshua Morin" To: Subject: Question about digitech Jamman Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:15:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E0_01C64DA1.EBE9CF80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcZNy9FJu6y46+xxTKawA/Mhi0NABQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:15:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E0_01C64DA1.EBE9CF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Loopers. Just a quick question. I use a Digitech Jamman for my shows and I loop my rhythm parts on the fly so that I can solo overtop during my performances. My question is that it seems like I can't get the settings right for when I play a soft song and when I play a loud song. When I am fingerpicking a song and I record and play back the loop it comes out at the perfect level. But then if I am strumming hard and I record and playback the loop it is too loud. Is there any way to adjust or fine tune this? Or maybe I have my settings wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic-Rock Music www.joshuamorin.com www.myspace.com/joshuamorin ------=_NextPart_000_00E0_01C64DA1.EBE9CF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Loopers…

 

Just a quick = question…

 

I use a Digitech Jamman for my shows and I loop my = rhythm parts on the fly so that I can solo overtop during my performances. =

 

My question is that it seems like I can’t get = the settings right for when I play a soft song and when I play a loud song. = When I am fingerpicking a song and I record and play back the loop it comes out = at the perfect level. But then if I am strumming hard and I record and playback = the loop it is too loud…

 

Is there any way to adjust or fine tune this? Or = maybe I have my settings wrong?

 

Any help would be greatly = appreciated.

 

Thanks.

Joshua = Morin
Artist/Songwriter=

Original Acoustic-Rock = Music
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------=_NextPart_000_00E0_01C64DA1.EBE9CF80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 16:21:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36BD13BEF6; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060322075834.01bb1ff8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:21:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Zappa's guitar playing: In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060322085759.02878520@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060322080743.4B36C3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060322085759.02878520@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:21:00 +0000 (UTC) At 01:18 AM 3/22/2006, you wrote: >Zappa's tone, control of feedback, subtle use of wah wah, &so on >....all aspects of technique which are not so easy to emulate. Zappa was also able to shred polyrhythmically. For example, Zappa could play the first three notes of a figure as if they were part of a quintuplet (five notes in the space of a quarter note) and then at the end play a triplet instead of the last two 16th notes. This is a key part of his lines and is explained better than I can at: http://www.vai.com/LittleBlackDots/tempomental.html It's important to keep in mind that musically there were two Zappas: the composer-arranger and the improviser. When he was on tour, he composed on-the-fly during his solos which he taped. Back in the studio, he would take his solo tapes and rework these into compositions. It's my understanding that Zappa didn't practice guitar much. So the longer he toured, the better his solos were. I'm not a big Zappa fan, but I really appreciate and respect some of his work. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 16:29:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 846293BEF8; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060322082528.01ac1e38@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:30:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Zappa be in you In-Reply-To: <005301c64db2$52ba3410$0400000a@mini> References: <005301c64db2$52ba3410$0400000a@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <6gB43C.A.dBH.otXIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:29:28 +0000 (UTC) At 05:12 AM 3/22/2006, you wrote: >http://www.youtube.com/results?related=zappa The "Pound for a Brown" video is a good example of Zappa's classical composing chops with the Yellow Shark Ensemble Modern although my favourite from the "Yellow Shark" is "G-Spot Tornado". Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 16:31:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92EC03BEF5; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060322083129.01bb72c8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:32:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say In-Reply-To: <20060322143521.345673384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060322143521.345673384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:31:38 +0000 (UTC) At 06:35 AM 3/22/2006, you wrote: >in just a few notes, sometimes only one. Granted, a lot of his >solos are of the same sort (modal explorations over one chord >ostinato vamps) but it >almost amazes me even more that he could wrangle so many ideas out >of a simple formula. And tone that just killed me. One could say the same thing of Miles Davis. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 16:34:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 621A23BEF0; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: CHRISROVER@aol.com Message-ID: <300.13f0a7d.3152d674@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:33:56 EST Subject: Loopers Delight Meeting at Frankfurt Musik Messe ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, CHRISROVER@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_300.13f0a7d.3152d674_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 310 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:34:08 +0000 (UTC) --part1_300.13f0a7d.3152d674_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi fellow loopers, forgive me if this has been suggested before (soory, too busy to catch up on= =20 all posts in the last few weeks)=A0 but wouldn't it be nice to meet at the=20 Frankfurt Musik Messe (http://musik.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en/) which=20= is=20 coming up next week=A0 (March 29-April 1st) ? For those of you attending I'll be demonstrating (and looping as much as the= =20 booth space permits ;-) some fine czech guitars (Prochazka guitars=A0=20 http://www.guitar-makers.com/) for all four days probably at 11am, 1 and 3 p= m in Hall 3=20 at Booth E54. Stop by if you are not too busy and say hello. It has been gre= at=20 fun meeting and hearing some of you at the International Looping Festival in= =20 Zurich and would be interesting to meet you again and those who have yet=20 remained anonymous... Maybe we could also find a time for all of us to get together, exchange idea= s=20 and the latest news ? Regards Christian Rover chrisrover@aol.com www.christianrover.com --part1_300.13f0a7d.3152d674_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi fellow loopers,

forgive me if this has been suggested before (soory, too busy to catch up on= all posts in the last few weeks)=A0 but wouldn't it be nice to meet at the=20= Frankfurt Musik Messe (http://musik.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en/) which=20= is coming up next week=A0 (March 29-April 1st) ?
For those of you attending I'll be demonstrating (and looping as much as the= booth space permits ;-) some fine czech guitars (Prochazka guitars=A0 http:= //www.guitar-makers.com/) for all four days probably at 11am, 1 and 3 pm in=20= Hall 3 at Booth E54. Stop by if you are not too busy and say hello. It has b= een great fun meeting and hearing some of you at the International Looping F= estival in Zurich and would be interesting to meet you again and those who h= ave yet remained anonymous...

Maybe we could also find a time for all of us to get together, exchange idea= s and the latest news ?

Regards

Christian Rover
chrisrover@aol.com
www.christianrover.com
 --part1_300.13f0a7d.3152d674_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 16:56:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C1B43BEEE; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6151d312fe18aebea1a178b9634560c6@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Kris Hartung , Kris Hartung From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: looping soundfiles Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:56:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <7M0XdD.A.Iz.WHYIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Greetings. Just uploaded some new "texturly" soundfiles to my website: << http://homepage.mac.com/pmimlitsch/lep/lep.html >>. They would be "A1", "A2", "A3" under the "Atmospherics" heading on the home page. If inclined, give 'em a listen, enjoy (if inclined). Take care. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 17:07:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7883E3BEEE; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=oqA72ToytZx5v23Uk8S/YKTC8HQWl6epMRD3eBRCB6TesjAbvRyh4yx+osW+rL7n; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <5275991.1143047222860.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:07:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406bda5849fad0694d5f6bbd05ccf2a48b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:07:04 +0000 (UTC) I saw him on one of his several "I was just kidding about quitting, folks, I can still play, honest!" tours, circa 1986, and boy was he ever making a point to the Berklee kids in the audience: don't count me out, I'm still baaaaad. Seriously, I'd have to be reincarnated 3 times to play that well. ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: "loop.pool" >Sent: Mar 21, 2006 10:35 PM >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Subject: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say > >Per wrote about Frank Zappa: >"No. He couldn't really play the guitar properly. That's what I like >with his guitar solos. He knew it and just did it way over the top, " > > > >Man, Per, I saw Zappa play an all instrumental gig at the Fillmore >Auditorium >once with the classic George Duke, Underwoods band with Tom Fowler >playing electric trombone instead of a bassist. > >You could a' fooled me. His guitar playing was off the hook and fantastic. >To say he couldn't play guitar properly didn't match anything I know about >guitar >playing from having played with excellent guitarists all of my life. > >He may have not been up to Al DiMeola technical skills but that was much to >my delight, I have to say. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 17:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D53A03BEFA; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gIO5CkAVOQr5t5VFFlxc6LNvX5CzJALMudO3X3nznunyPFGVubld+uYSezd2Esxe; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <14005800.1143047849134.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:17:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ffb6d3b8d7f13f51cd9fe44d8c1e4444350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Reminds me of how, waaaay back in my dazed-and-confused Seveties community college years, I had just begun guitar and was mentioning to this biker dude that I thought that Pagey's lead in Heartbreaker was maybe a bit haphazard. He said "well can YOU play it, motherf*cker?!?" The man had a point. Nearly 30 years later, my answer is still, "um...kinda...almost....eeeeh, I got nothin'!" (LOL) Having said that, I draw equal inspiration from master players and inspired primitives and all points in between, knowing full well that some of those "inspired primitives" are packing serious musical heat and can do some things I can't do. Keeps me open minded and humble. ~Timbus Humilius www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat -----Original Message----- >From: stanitarium >Sent: Mar 22, 2006 3:13 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Zappas' guitar playing: was: What a loop has to say > >concur > > >on 3/21/06 8:36 PM, Miko Biffle at biffoz@arczip.com wrote: > >> 'Chops' sometimes don't account for idosyncracratic players like Zappa, >> Page, Hendrix... You might be able to hit the notes, but there's a >> fascinating synergy of primitive muscle, sloppiness with absolute >> commitment, blended with innate musicality, which can't really be learned... >> that's what really makes your style yours. 10 guys play a lick... 9 sound >> very similar... one sounds unbelieveable. How did he do that??? Zappa did >> that. >> >> Zappa was also very involved in ingenious effects routing, including piezos >> under the nut, going direct, etc. >> >> Miko Biffle >> "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" >> C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz >> Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz >> The Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 17:26:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94B433BEF4; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OEEIGzKCv6bvmaCMNdPDhtpi1qF4b+WSMnQSTezIqf71EyI2UiPi9c2+69HKcHlQ; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <2470107.1143048385508.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:26:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stumbling around in the dark..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9408e9c1a8b35affe7a3922136fb03c75e9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:26:27 +0000 (UTC) stumbling around in the dark.....
...and THIS reminds me of when a friend of mine, befuddled by crappy s= tage lighting, plugged his expression pedal into the wrong jack of his VG8,= and instead of swelling volume during solos, he was scrolling up and down = through patches (LOL). Sounded cool, though! I was almost disappointed when= he caught the error and fixed it.
 
~Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: goddard.duncan@mt= vne.com
Sent: Mar 22, 2006 10:29 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com
Subject: stumbling around in the dark.....

....& accidentally stepping on a midi volume pedal &a= mp; waking the whole audience up with an unintentionally loud blast of note= s?

here's one of those pre-coffee, first-thing-in-the-mornin= g ideas I have from time to time.

most midi volume & expression pedals have three condu= ctors connected to the parent device. two of these are a ground wire & = a source of 5V from inside the device, while the third is the voltage retur= ned from the potentiometer inside the pedal.

so- the pedal has a supply of 5V readily available.

this means that you can add a 500 ohm resistor inside &am= p; a nice bright LED somewhere on the outer surface of the pedal. you could= extend this idea to multiple pedals or footswitches, & even colour-cod= e them.

hmm....... I'll have to have a look & see if this is = workable on the standard footswitches we use with jam-mans & repeaters = & the like.

the fcb1010 has it's own power supply & one could eas= ily make the whole thing light up like a christmas tree without taxing the = circuitry unduly.

of course, I'd advise against any such modifications if a= ) you can't work a soldering iron & b) the equipment concerned is under= a warranty you wish to preserve.

naturally, I shall be taking the rest of the afternoon of= f & rushing home to try this out.....

duncan/r.m.i.



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= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 17:43:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CD393BEE8; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Zappa's G-Spot Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:43:49 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003001c64dd8$2e1ac9a0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060322082528.01ac1e38@TheNettles.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZNzcqj1Vyxp811SqC5TxWQI/cmogACjSWg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:43:55 +0000 (UTC) The story goes that the production of the Yellow Shark came about when Zappa heard that the Ensemble Modern actually had G-Spot Tornado in their repertoire, a piece which Zappa believed was unplayable for humans. > The "Pound for a Brown" video is a good example of Zappa's > classical composing chops with the Yellow Shark Ensemble > Modern although my favourite from the "Yellow Shark" is > "G-Spot Tornado". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 17:54:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88A8E3BEEC; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Kris Hartung Subject: Re: looping soundfiles Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:54:42 +0000 Message-Id: <032220061754.11159.44218F61000E6A7800002B97219792676103010CD20D0D9B0809079C0207BF9B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 28 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11159_1143050082_0" Resent-Message-ID: <0wirLD.A.MCE.j9YIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:54:43 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11159_1143050082_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have some full length mp3s on my site I would like to contribute: Stolen Moments by Oliver Nelson: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/StolenMoments22.mp3 Shiny Stickings by Frank Foster: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/ShinyStockings.mp3 West Coast Blues by Wes Montgomery: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/WestCoastBluesLong.mp3 The Girl From Ipanema by Antonio Carlos Jobim: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/IpanemaLong.mp3 Bock to Bock by Buddy Montgomery: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/BockToBock.mp3 Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11159_1143050082_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I have some full length mp3s on my site I would like to contribute:

 

Stolen Moments by Oliver Nelson:

 

Shiny Stickings by Frank Foster:

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/ShinyStockings.mp3

 

West Coast Blues by Wes Montgomery:

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/WestCoastBluesLong.mp3

 

The Girl From Ipanema by Antonio Carlos Jobim:

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/IpanemaLong.mp3

 

Bock to Bock by Buddy Montgomery:

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/BockToBock.mp3

 

Mark Smart

http://www.marksmart.net

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11159_1143050082_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 17:55:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C470C3BEF9; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <003001c64dd8$2e1ac9a0$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <003001c64dd8$2e1ac9a0$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <028D5847-D967-46EE-B8EE-A73C0E055E4A@gguitars.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Zappa's G-Spot Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:54:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:55:01 +0000 (UTC) I cant imagine the music he would make if he had ProTools, Logic, and some Virtual Instruments. On Mar 22, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > The story goes that the production of the Yellow Shark came about > when Zappa > heard that the Ensemble Modern actually had G-Spot Tornado in their > repertoire, a piece which Zappa believed was unplayable for humans. > > >> The "Pound for a Brown" video is a good example of Zappa's >> classical composing chops with the Yellow Shark Ensemble >> Modern although my favourite from the "Yellow Shark" is >> "G-Spot Tornado". >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 17:55:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 878053BF01; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:55:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Political Zappa Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:55:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:55:30 +0000 (UTC) http://tinyurl.com/kotde Zappa was as amazing in a political forum as onstage. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 18:18:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71A263BEF4; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZdFhSgd6xkvLeXn5h24aE4NytFs5WrnUmslrOtIuZlo0XwU2XMTe1BM4WbIKGSSvBJuyHzJM5MNi9EaEpFd3g0bOit2MU0hat9GR4JHFJlt0M91yApYtO7IieCEBfC81bAf+TW4qWWHgTtfcjnI1jTUtAO1vbPw5AjF/BBmC6FM= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603221018t6d048740g4b7ee7ebc7b97ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:18:39 +0000 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP-1 Now Available at G Guitars In-Reply-To: <369354B4-029A-4EA6-B6B7-FFE49ED4DD2A@gguitars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <369354B4-029A-4EA6-B6B7-FFE49ED4DD2A@gguitars.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:18:42 +0000 (UTC) On 3/22/06, Chris Sewell wrote: > Sorry. Its actually $1395. Will you ship to the UK? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 18:18:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1706F3BF05; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "jon attwood" To: Subject: RE: Help! not enough hands.... Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:18:36 -0000 Organization: yellow6 Message-ID: <004401c64ddd$0eea8700$a33d0852@johnathakdlqtw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C64DDD.0EEA8700" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <008301c64d99$2a6699e0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:18:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C64DDD.0EEA8700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This looks far too easy! I've not tried a JamMan but it does look like it would do what I want - the only drawback being that it's mono not stereo I'll have to check it out thanks to Ben, Todd and Rainer for their replies and assistance jon. - y e l l o w 6 - www.yellow6.com - make mine music - www.makeminemusic.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Ben [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr] Sent: 22 March 2006 10:13 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help! not enough hands.... Perhaps I don't understand clearly the problem and the setup but would something like a digitech Jamman works? You can transfer you loops from battery inside the JM with usb and use the footswitch to cue the next loop. Once the current loop has ended, the next one will starts and loop until you schedule the next and so on. You would also be able to overdub on a loop until you trigger the next one. 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This=20 looks far too easy!  I've not tried a JamMan but it does look like = it would=20 do what I want - the only drawback being that it's mono not=20 stereo
 
I'll=20 have to check it out
 
thanks=20 to Ben, Todd and Rainer for their replies and = assistance
 
jon.
 

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/StolenMoments22.mp3

     =  - y e l l o w 6=20 -
      = www.yellow6.com
 
 - make = mine=20 music -
www.makeminemusic.co.uk
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben=20 [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr]
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Perhaps I don't understand clearly = the problem=20 and the setup but would something like a digitech Jamman = works?
You can transfer you loops from = battery inside=20 the JM with usb and use the footswitch to cue the next loop. Once = the=20 current loop has ended, the next one will starts and loop until you = schedule=20 the next and so on. You would also be able to overdub on a loop until = you=20 trigger the next one.
 
Ben.
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C64DDD.0EEA8700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 18:22:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD7B23BEF4; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4oXotpjwIIRULK3/ybSPf1MpZMIdKtuwVqkp1DueaUXGGnNF/YOBumK5cSCl/OAbScy5Qw1QEQHB9vuTCDa4mw7hAarz+I+a2G0wMN1TZx8fqeUdSPogk7F+BnsParfyTvk648pseYcgCkoWdMq+NvlSFZPs6eaPPNYq5FQKPRs= ; Message-ID: <20060322182214.41445.qmail@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060322080743.413C13BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6m0SED.A.CxF.YXZIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:22:16 +0000 (UTC) >This can be heard on the organ sound in the following >MP3: http://tinyurl.com/zkehv Which track? There's a variety to choose from. Oooops, I didn't get my tinyURL done correctly... My last two posts meant to point to the song Firedancing which might be found here: http://tinyurl.com/ryzd9 but definately can be found here: http://www.sohl.com/Improvisations/Cassini%20Division/index.htm halfway down the page. The photo that I meant to show is definately at: http://www.sohl.com/Improvisations/Cassini%20Division/index.htm Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 18:24:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D31E23BEF7; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80603221018t6d048740g4b7ee7ebc7b97ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <369354B4-029A-4EA6-B6B7-FFE49ED4DD2A@gguitars.com> <353e2ed80603221018t6d048740g4b7ee7ebc7b97ed@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Looperlative LP-1 Now Available at G Guitars Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:24:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <1X91Y.A.j5F.dZZIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Yes. Shipping would be about $45. Thanks Chris On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:18 PM, David Morton wrote: > On 3/22/06, Chris Sewell wrote: > >> Sorry. Its actually $1395. >> > > Will you ship to the UK? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 18:35:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE9283BEF4; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1143052521!44311460!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8FA9@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: NED (was Zappa's G-Spot) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:35:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C64DDF.5EEACDD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:35:24 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64DDF.5EEACDD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>I cant imagine the music he would make if he had ProTools, Logic, and some Virtual Instruments.<< ah, he'd probably've hated them...... he was a synclavier man, no? I've been looking at an "aren't synclaviers great?" site the last couple of days, having had one fall on my foot at munich airport a few years ago, & then gaping in awe upon finally hearing what one can do at an audio-post place in milan. on this site, pete townsend is quoted as saying that the synclavier is a totally right-brain experience & he doesn't have to keep switching between right & left brain like he does with a computer. hmmm...... http://www.digitaltoycupboard.com/uniquesync.html duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64DDF.5EEACDD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: NED (was Zappa's G-Spot)

>>I cant imagine the music he would make if he had = ProTools, Logic, and some Virtual Instruments.<<

ah, he'd probably've hated them...... he was a synclavier= man, no?

I've been looking at an "aren't synclaviers great?&q= uot; site the last couple of days, having had one fall on my foot at munich= airport a few years ago, & then gaping in awe upon finally hearing wha= t one can do at an audio-post place in milan.

on this site, pete townsend is quoted as saying that the = synclavier is a totally right-brain experience & he doesn't have to kee= p switching between right & left brain like he does with a computer. hm= mm......

http://www.digitaltoycupboard.com/uniquesync.html

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C64DDF.5EEACDD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 18:44:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF8BD3BEEC; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <32d.852921.3152f50f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:44:31 EST Subject: Re: Filter Factory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_32d.852921.3152f50f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:44:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_32d.852921.3152f50f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/22/06 12:00:37 AM, vsyevolod@yahoo.com writes: > http://tinyurl.com/kktbk > thnaks steven.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_32d.852921.3152f50f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/22/06 12:00:37 AM, vsyevolod@yahoo.com writes:


http://tinyurl.com/kk= tbk


thnaks steven.....mic



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 --part1_32d.852921.3152f50f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 18:50:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0FE03BEF5; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=Yo73YFwc7uVbbIQ3zX18xSRF8cPzdWWyrAtqtHTyvoHnju0VrXjNOH4SbABq43b35kFkSLJ/BRa+Q91bz6QJaoNQvrl3CVhMPetldAdXNXmcH3MZMXvUkIY8sdv3jpM3whClow7hty/Do1ILTqrW0ElRNCWYuPU+ClME1Fzp/kg= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: NED (was Zappa's G-Spot) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:50:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C64DB7.9E5EBA80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8FA9@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcZN32L2Aek7j5/bQOWjgmrXxr9IlwAAfJgg Message-Id: <20060322185046.82EA13BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:50:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C64DB7.9E5EBA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit as a former Synclavier owner i would recommend them highly... if you're in the market for a boat anchor. m _____ From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: NED (was Zappa's G-Spot) >>I cant imagine the music he would make if he had ProTools, Logic, and some Virtual Instruments.<< ah, he'd probably've hated them...... he was a synclavier man, no? I've been looking at an "aren't synclaviers great?" site the last couple of days, having had one fall on my foot at munich airport a few years ago, & then gaping in awe upon finally hearing what one can do at an audio-post place in milan. on this site, pete townsend is quoted as saying that the synclavier is a totally right-brain experience & he doesn't have to keep switching between right & left brain like he does with a computer. hmmm...... http://www.digitaltoycupboard.com/uniquesync.html duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C64DB7.9E5EBA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: NED (was Zappa's G-Spot)
as a former Synclavier owner i would recommend = them=20 highly...
 
if you're in the market for a boat=20 anchor.
 
m

From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, = 2006=20 1:35 PM
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>>I cant imagine the music he would make if he = had=20 ProTools, Logic, and some Virtual Instruments.<<

ah, he'd probably've hated them...... he was a = synclavier man,=20 no?

I've been looking at an "aren't synclaviers great?" = site the=20 last couple of days, having had one fall on my foot at munich airport a = few=20 years ago, & then gaping in awe upon finally hearing what one can do = at an=20 audio-post place in milan.

on this site, pete townsend is quoted as saying that = the=20 synclavier is a totally right-brain experience & he doesn't have to = keep=20 switching between right & left brain like he does with a computer.=20 hmmm......

duncan.



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 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C64DB7.9E5EBA80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 20:27:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95AD73BEF1; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FfwNK6OaHqusduRnhk1SGk056a4/pxyCqxcD8zY7C1lIexW5KcWPQw9K0RTOnUQT; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <27611720.1143059278466.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:27:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: GT-5 vs VF-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94092ae545d4a83d45e23ae7a6e95f29440350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.38 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Hey, Sonic Explorers! I've been intrigued by recent posts about the Boss GT-5. Since I'm starting to find the rackmount form factor annoying as hell, I need to know: is there anything my VF-1 can do that the GT-5 cannot? Put another way, would I be giving anything up by using a GT-5 instead? Thanks, Tim www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 20:52:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89DE33BEFA; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4421B861.6000207@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:49:37 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: adding pitch shift to stereo EDP+'s References: <20060321224707.261CB3BEDC@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060321224707.261CB3BEDC@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all the ideas on this. I'm taking a shot with the Digitech VX400... http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live/Sound/Signal/Processors?sku=150845 It's got a lot of cool features I can use in my looping setup and the price was very nice. Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 21:22:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC3033BEEE; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <065d01c64df4$67e72b80$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <032220061754.11159.44218F61000E6A7800002B97219792676103010CD20D0D9B0809079C0207BF9B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Subject: Re: looping soundfiles Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:05:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_065A_01C64DB9.BAC94940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.500000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.marksmart.net) (http://www.marksmart.net<) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 510, in=259556, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:22:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_065A_01C64DB9.BAC94940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All done, Mark...your website included in the description line of each = tune. Hey, you do How Insensitive? I love that tune...much less played = than the Girl with Emhazima. :) No Monk, man? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Cc: Kris Hartung=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: looping soundfiles I have some full length mp3s on my site I would like to contribute: Stolen Moments by Oliver Nelson: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/StolenMoments22.mp3 Shiny Stickings by Frank Foster: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/ShinyStockings.mp3 West Coast Blues by Wes Montgomery: = http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/WestCoastBluesLong.mp3 The Girl From Ipanema by Antonio Carlos Jobim: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/IpanemaLong.mp3 Bock to Bock by Buddy Montgomery: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/BockToBock.mp3 Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_NextPart_000_065A_01C64DB9.BAC94940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All done, Mark...your website included = in the=20 description line of each tune. Hey, you do How Insensitive? I love that=20 tune...much less played than the Girl with Emhazima. :)  No Monk,=20 man?
 
Kris
 

http://www.digitaltoycupboard.com/uniquesync.html

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mwsmart@insightbb.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 = 10:54=20 AM
Subject: Re: looping = soundfiles

I have some full length mp3s on my site I would like to=20 contribute:

 

Stolen Moments by Oliver Nelson:

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/StolenMoments22.mp3=

 

Shiny Stickings by Frank Foster:

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/ShinyStockings.mp3

 

West Coast Blues by Wes Montgomery:

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/WestCoastBluesLo= ng.mp3

 

The Girl From Ipanema by Antonio Carlos Jobim:

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/IpanemaLong.mp3

=

 

Bock to Bock by Buddy Montgomery:

= http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/BockToBock.mp3

 

Mark Smart

http://www.marksmart.net

------=_NextPart_000_065A_01C64DB9.BAC94940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 22 23:01:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C61E93BEDE; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HCrCaUGrNtZYmeJkFZxd7hTMBTH5KBKupUKWGKgXtg7Yk6Iu9ckuiNUAgd1ovKczcOrvX8fbRc4OxgAu4UcjG28LTMpL5/4N1dZbWRdkRzPj2qxW+M0XXZ5Da8XgJz2MS24MxKvvC2ynvYwK2BvYal12b2fIFvAtnv5+biAMyjA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80603211340haf32e5bicccfd8549a8bd505@mail.gmail.com> References: <1142958698.1793.10613.m34@yahoogroups.com> <20060321203548.74554.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com> <353e2ed80603211340haf32e5bicccfd8549a8bd505@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: OT: Matheney podcast Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:01:22 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Here's a podcast tip for those who enjoyed the work of Pat Matheney: > The Song X Podumentary > > Guitarist Pat Metheny explores his influences, recordings and more > on his new podcast series. Also, be sure to check out Pat's music > in the iTunes Music Store. > > PAT METHENY recounts Ornette Coleman's early influence and the > story that led up to the historic session and recent reissue of the > modern jazz classic SONG X. > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=129228134 > http://www.patmethenygroup.com/podcasts/pmgln_rss.xml Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 02:29:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D7663BEF6; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <442207FF.5090208@knology.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:29:19 -0500 From: Dan Montgomery Reply-To: dmont@knology.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop setups References: <20060321153904.qj928djhssw04wwo@webmail.bluefrog.com> <3533.88.109.254.225.1142974640.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <3533.88.109.254.225.1142974640.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone had experience or and thoughts to offer on the MusicXPC computers? "Tweaked for music production"??? Dan Montgomery music.download.com/danmontgomery www.myspace.com/precentor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 05:06:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DED73BEF8; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 05:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "JP Mercury" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ANN: Freewheeling 0.5.1 RELEASE - Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:04:32 -0700 Message-Id: <20060323050433.M57365@stickist.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050627 X-OriginatingIP: 24.84.198.44 (swirlee) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-yoursite-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-yoursite-MailScanner-From: swirlee@stickist.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 05:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Hello Loopy Folk, Time again for a software release. Here is the long awaited... Freewheeling 0.5.1 ------------------ http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/ Summary: FreeWheeling is a Linux audio tool for live looping. It provides a highly configurable, fluid user interface for instrumentalists to capture loops in real-time. Article: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8445 Changes: v0.5.1 (CHANGE LOG AS OF MARCH 22, 2006) Thank you to all for good ideas and inspiration over the summer and winter. Many thanks to Paul Davis for hooking me up with a great Linux Audio development gig. And thanks to an anonymous donor for his contribution, and to Dubphil and Paul Brossier for beta testing. ** FreeWheeling now requires libgnutls11-dev (gnutls-openssl) instead of openssl (Thanks, Piem). New Features ------------ * Significantly less memory usage-- more than 20 megabytes less. Thanks to Drobilla for pointing out the issue with thread stack size. * New scripts (see scripts/ folder) to help you manage a library of loops. You can now bath move, delete, and archive loops & scenes by date. * Jack transport sync- - Master and slave mode For sync to work, you must first create a pulse, either by recording a loop and pressing F1, or by tapping a pulse by tapping F2 twice. Freewheeling tries to become the Jack timebase master, but if another app is master, it switches to slave mode. In master mode, Freewheeling generates beats and bar counts for every repetition of the currently selected pulse. In slave mode, Freewheeling receives beats and bar counts and syncronizes the currently selected pulse to them. For both master and slave modes, you can adjust the number of bars/beats per pulse using: Ctrl/Shift + S - adjust timebase You can also switch between sync to bars or sync to beats using: Alt + S - switch bars/beats sync Note that in master mode, FW is currently hard-wired to generate 4 beats per bar. Since this is preliminary code, not a big deal. * New user interface - Progress bar for saving and loading loops and scenes - Better organization of help page with clear sections - Mouse support - Click on loops triggers them. - Space + Click erases loops. - Mousewheel on loops now adjusts loop volumes-- very convenient when you are mixing and playing with improvisations. These can be configured. See 'loop-clicked' in .fweelin.rc. - Joystick support - Joystick buttons can now trigger events. For example, I have used FW with a DDR dance mat to trigger loops. See 'joybutton' in .fweelin.rc. - New 'engage' and 'shot' options in trigger-loop. 'Engage' forces a loop to ON or OFF, overriding the default toggle behavior. You can use it to create triggers that play short bursts, rather than long loops. 'Shot' to be implemented. * Stability improvements - Better thread safety and design improvements to the real-time memory manager have improved stability. * Significant improvements to loop/scene management and browsing - You can now give loops and scenes your own names - New names are stored within the filename of library files - Expanded browser window shows several items at once - Browser now sorts so that newer loops and scenes are first * Better handling of looppoints - Resolved issue with clicking at the looppoint on reloaded loops. - Resolved sporadic clicks on syncronized loops. * Better handling of loading/saving loops * Adjustable video loop delay - You can now adjust the performance of FreeWheeling by changing the delay between video refreshes. Several people asked for this feature, because FW is processor-heavy on the video side. The video thread does run at a low priority, and so it should not affect the performance of other realtime audio threads. However, the system may get sluggish, and if this happens, you may want to increase the delay in .fweelin.rc: Fixes ----- * Fixed 'glibc double free' segfault- FW should now run when compiled with GCC 4.0. * Adjusted the way F2 tap tempo works- tapping a new tempo with F2 is now more responsive, but less tolerant of mistakes * Fixed 'pure virtual method called' segfault * Fixed segfault when browsing past end of FluidSynth patch list * Various fixes to reduce CPU hogging * Merged patches from Piem's debian package: MaxVol, compile fixes for GCC 4.0, and removal of non-free elements * FW can now run without physical JACK inputs or outputs. Thanks to Piem for this patch. Enjoy! -- JP Mercury -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 11:24:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D24EF3BEFE; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:24:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:18:42 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44228412.1040009@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <09eVJC.A.yq.iVoIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:24:18 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#mar Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. WDIY now simulcasts on WXLV on 90.3 FM in Schnecksville, Pennsylvania. All times are EST / GMT-5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 13:18:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 970803BEF4; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Joshua Morin" To: Subject: Does someone know the answer to this?? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:19:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C64E52.79047D60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZOfF8NKBhVVuTBQO6jPy4nsb8e4w== Message-Id: <20060323131854.1A00F3BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:18:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C64E52.79047D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Loopers. Just a quick question. I use a Digitech Jamman for my shows and I loop my rhythm parts on the fly so that I can solo overtop during my performances. My question is that it seems like I can't get the settings right for when I play a soft song and when I play a loud song. When I am fingerpicking a song and I record and play back the loop it comes out at the perfect level. But then if I am strumming hard and I record and playback the loop it is too loud. Is there any way to adjust or fine tune this? Or maybe I have my settings wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic-Rock Music www.joshuamorin.com www.myspace.com/joshuamorin ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C64E52.79047D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Loopers…

 

Just a quick = question…

 

I use a Digitech Jamman for my shows and I loop my = rhythm parts on the fly so that I can solo overtop during my performances. =

 

My question is that it seems like I can’t get = the settings right for when I play a soft song and when I play a loud song. = When I am fingerpicking a song and I record and play back the loop it comes out = at the perfect level. But then if I am strumming hard and I record and playback = the loop it is too loud…

 

Is there any way to adjust or fine tune this? Or = maybe I have my settings wrong?

 

Any help would be greatly = appreciated.

 

Thanks.

Joshua = Morin
Artist/Songwriter=

Original Acoustic-Rock = Music
www.joshuamorin.com<= /span>

www.myspace.com/joshuamorin<= /a>

 

------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C64E52.79047D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 14:16:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 070213BEE7; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060323131854.1A00F3BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060323131854.1A00F3BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-18--540088156 Message-Id: <25F2AB1A-BBDC-42E5-9BD4-4DA554CAB80C@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:15:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:16:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-18--540088156 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed compressors. look into them. On Mar 23, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Joshua Morin wrote: > Hi Loopers=85 > > > > Just a quick question=85 > > > > I use a Digitech Jamman for my shows and I loop my rhythm parts on =20 > the fly so that I can solo overtop during my performances. > > > > My question is that it seems like I can=92t get the settings right =20 > for when I play a soft song and when I play a loud song. When I am =20 > fingerpicking a song and I record and play back the loop it comes =20 > out at the perfect level. But then if I am strumming hard and I =20 > record and playback the loop it is too loud=85 > > > > Is there any way to adjust or fine tune this? Or maybe I have my =20 > settings wrong? > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks. > > Joshua Morin > Artist/Songwriter > > Original Acoustic-Rock Music > www.joshuamorin.com > > www.myspace.com/joshuamorin > > > > ric hordinski monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic 513.260.1043 --Apple-Mail-18--540088156 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 compressors. look into = them.





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= --Apple-Mail-18--540088156-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 14:42:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BF5F3BEF4; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:42:30 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: GT-5 vs VF-1 To: mungenast@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008501c64e88$2d1c8380$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <27611720.1143059278466.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Tim Wrote: > Since I'm starting to find the rackmount form factor annoying as hell, I need to know: > is there anything my VF-1 can do that the GT-5 cannot? Put another way, would I be giving anything up by using a GT-5 instead? An excellent question! I'm eager to find out, too. Anyone who has used both, please post pronto! (I'm very busy at the moment, or I'd spend a half-hour or two trolling Google for info myself.) dB, coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 15:45:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70FD83BEDE; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:44:33 -0600 From: David Small Subject: Fwd: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? X-Sender: cpp6@mail.uh.edu To: monk@fuse.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5.0.2.1.0.20060323093325.0360ec40@mail.uh.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Monk: I am also a fingerpicker and somewhat new to looping. I wonder
if you or other loopers can address this (elementary) question: you=20
mention that you play solo over your rhythm part "on the fly." OK, so
you lay down the rhythm part first. Does that mean that you strum and
record the rhythm part while you are singing a verse? or while someone
else is playing the melody on their instrument? If you play solo, as I do,
it would seem to be somewhat bland to the audience if all you were
playing was the rhythm back-up the first time through. This has puzzled
me since I started using my Echoplex a few months ago. Thank you for
your consideration and best wishes in your musical endeavors.

David
Pearland, Texas  
 

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compressors. look into them.




On Mar 23, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Joshua Morin wrote:

Hi Loopers=85

 

Just a quick question=85

 

I use a Digitech Jamman for my shows and I loop my rhythm parts on the fly so that I can solo overtop during my performances.

 

My question is that it seems like I can=92t g= et the settings right for when I play a soft song and when I play a loud song. When I am fingerpicking a song and I record and play back the loop it comes out at the perfect level. But then if I am strumming hard and I record and playback the loop it is too loud=85

 

Is there any way to adjust or fine tune this? Or maybe I have my settings wrong?

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks.

Joshua Morin
Artist/Songwriter

Original Acoustic-Rock Music
www.joshuamorin.com

www.myspace.com/joshuamorin

 

ric hordinski

monk@fuse.net

www.richordinski.com

www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic

513.260.1043
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 16:12:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4763F3BEF0; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hy/oAOw1HfHg41nIMjB9qxoR63rJvv/v/sNXAj5HfM+PAmBbukfB8QV0w1RGFiiQWOc3v5bxkJIM2rdKFYXQ2tit9ZOF+bdil2tMIq+XJtGlqt13eIiItnQL4Uoa8KDn+H26cEVZV6V1MWy3Gk7VP3meCQpQG42kmzVCbh7Y7CQ= Message-ID: <64b81a780603230812q113873a5gb620d5e9ba783e54@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:12:18 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? In-Reply-To: <25F2AB1A-BBDC-42E5-9BD4-4DA554CAB80C@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060323131854.1A00F3BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> <25F2AB1A-BBDC-42E5-9BD4-4DA554CAB80C@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:12:24 +0000 (UTC) The problem here is that your input level is varying dramatically.=20 The solution is to give yourself some sort of control over the signal level going into the Jamman. There are a couple of ways to do this. 1) Manual control via a volume pedal, preamp volume knob, etc. Pros: You have complete control over the volume at all times. Cons: You've got to constantly be on guard controlling the input level. 2) Automatic level adjustment via a compressor or limiter. Pros: Level adjustments are taken care of automatically, and a constant level is maintained. Cons: Loss of instrument dynamics and a modification of the natural sound of your instrument. The choice is yours. If you lean towards a compressor, I advise doing a little research via the web about how to properly use a compressor.=20 A little compression is often a good thing, but too much or poorly adjusted compression sounds awful. Hope this helps, Todd On 3/23/06, monk wrote: > compressors. look into them. > On Mar 23, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Joshua Morin wrote: > My question is that it seems like I can't get the settings right for when= I > play a soft song and when I play a loud song. When I am fingerpicking a s= ong > and I record and play back the loop it comes out at the perfect level. Bu= t > then if I am strumming hard and I record and playback the loop it is too > loud=85 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 16:57:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 656A73BEF5; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:03:39 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? To: Message-id: <000b01c64e9b$bb977300$4bf8a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060323131854.1A00F3BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> <25F2AB1A-BBDC-42E5-9BD4-4DA554CAB80C@fuse.net> <64b81a780603230812q113873a5gb620d5e9ba783e54@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:57:38 +0000 (UTC) If you have two basic modes on laying, fingerpicking and strumming, then another level controlling option is to use a pedal like a "micro amp" or a "graphic eq" that you can turn off and on as needed and to even things out a bit for you. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Pafford" To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? The problem here is that your input level is varying dramatically. The solution is to give yourself some sort of control over the signal level going into the Jamman. There are a couple of ways to do this. 1) Manual control via a volume pedal, preamp volume knob, etc. Pros: You have complete control over the volume at all times. Cons: You've got to constantly be on guard controlling the input level. 2) Automatic level adjustment via a compressor or limiter. Pros: Level adjustments are taken care of automatically, and a constant level is maintained. Cons: Loss of instrument dynamics and a modification of the natural sound of your instrument. The choice is yours. If you lean towards a compressor, I advise doing a little research via the web about how to properly use a compressor. A little compression is often a good thing, but too much or poorly adjusted compression sounds awful. Hope this helps, Todd On 3/23/06, monk wrote: > compressors. look into them. > On Mar 23, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Joshua Morin wrote: > My question is that it seems like I can't get the settings right for when I > play a soft song and when I play a loud song. When I am fingerpicking a song > and I record and play back the loop it comes out at the perfect level. But > then if I am strumming hard and I record and playback the loop it is too > loud… From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 17:39:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EA913BEF4; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:40:34 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? In-reply-to: <5.0.2.1.0.20060323093325.0360ec40@mail.uh.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000601c64ea0$e3869620$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:39:57 +0000 (UTC) >If you play solo, as I do, >it would seem to be somewhat bland to the audience if all you were >playing was the rhythm back-up the first time through. This has puzzled >me since I started using my Echoplex a few months ago. Thank you for >your consideration and best wishes in your musical endeavors. >David >Pearland, Texas This is, to me, "the unanswerable question of live looping," if you're trying to play conventionally-structured songs. I knew one guitar/bass duo where the bass player would play the melodies during the 1st cycle through the tune while the guitarist recorded a chord loop, then the bass player would revert to normal bass parts and the guitarist solo over bass and chords. Or else you could just play over pre-recorded backing tracks - not to everyone's taste, but it is a possibility (in which case, maybe you don't even need a live looper - a CD with your backing tracks could do as well). Or else, you could change what you're trying to play to cater more to the looper's strengths... Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 17:50:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0C6E3BEF7; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:58:45 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? To: Message-id: <000401c64ea3$6e114860$4bf8a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000601c64ea0$e3869620$0202a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:50:54 +0000 (UTC) I have one track I play live sometimes called "Goodbye" in which I start out recording the solo and overtrack a few of those, and then add in the rythme and bass parts afterwards. Forces me to count out the solo, and pray that I don't slip up 'cos timing is everything. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: RE: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? > >If you play solo, as I do, > >it would seem to be somewhat bland to the audience if all you were > >playing was the rhythm back-up the first time through. This has puzzled > >me since I started using my Echoplex a few months ago. Thank you for > >your consideration and best wishes in your musical endeavors. > > >David > >Pearland, Texas > > This is, to me, "the unanswerable question of live looping," if you're > trying to play conventionally-structured songs. I knew one guitar/bass duo > where the bass player would play the melodies during the 1st cycle through > the tune while the guitarist recorded a chord loop, then the bass player > would revert to normal bass parts and the guitarist solo over bass and > chords. Or else you could just play over pre-recorded backing tracks - not > to everyone's taste, but it is a possibility (in which case, maybe you don't > even need a live looper - a CD with your backing tracks could do as well). > Or else, you could change what you're trying to play to cater more to the > looper's strengths... > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 18:14:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93D333BEFA; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4422E5A0.6060304@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:14:56 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? References: <000601c64ea0$e3869620$0202a8c0@Lightning> <000401c64ea3$6e114860$4bf8a344@hppav> In-Reply-To: <000401c64ea3$6e114860$4bf8a344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6lW2IC.A.rPC.iWuIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:14:58 +0000 (UTC) David - are you in Pearland? I'm in SW Houston. Contact me offlist and maybe we can get together and jam sometime! Doug David Kirkdorffer wrote: >I have one track I play live sometimes called "Goodbye" in which I start out >recording the solo and overtrack a few of those, and then add in the rythme >and bass parts afterwards. Forces me to count out the solo, and pray that >I don't slip up 'cos timing is everything. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Warren Sirota" >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:40 PM >Subject: RE: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? > > > > >>>If you play solo, as I do, >>>it would seem to be somewhat bland to the audience if all you were >>>playing was the rhythm back-up the first time through. This has puzzled >>>me since I started using my Echoplex a few months ago. Thank you for >>>your consideration and best wishes in your musical endeavors. >>> >>> >>>David >>>Pearland, Texas >>> >>> >>This is, to me, "the unanswerable question of live looping," if you're >>trying to play conventionally-structured songs. I knew one guitar/bass duo >>where the bass player would play the melodies during the 1st cycle through >>the tune while the guitarist recorded a chord loop, then the bass player >>would revert to normal bass parts and the guitarist solo over bass and >>chords. Or else you could just play over pre-recorded backing tracks - not >>to everyone's taste, but it is a possibility (in which case, maybe you >> >> >don't > > >>even need a live looper - a CD with your backing tracks could do as well). >>Or else, you could change what you're trying to play to cater more to the >>looper's strengths... >> >>Best wishes, >>Warren Sirota >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 18:15:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 796973BF01; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200603231815.k2NIFnm15086@vxd.vxidmedia.com> From: "Joshua Morin" To: Subject: RE: Does someone know the answer to this?? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:15:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C64E7B.EE0AFFC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcZOhFJMnYnHgjhdQlC8sWZrYRoxRQAIQYmA In-Reply-To: <25F2AB1A-BBDC-42E5-9BD4-4DA554CAB80C@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:15:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C64E7B.EE0AFFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A compressor isn't the what is going to help here. What I am saying is that the looping pedal is recording my soft fingerpicking at 1x the loudness and then when I play harder it is recording at 1.25x. If I were to put a compressor then it would sound like I would need to compress and keep the same loudness as when I fingerpick the whole show. That doesn't sound right? Did I miss something? Joshua _____ From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? compressors. look into them. On Mar 23, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Joshua Morin wrote: Hi Loopers. Just a quick question. I use a Digitech Jamman for my shows and I loop my rhythm parts on the fly so that I can solo overtop during my performances. My question is that it seems like I can't get the settings right for when I play a soft song and when I play a loud song. When I am fingerpicking a song and I record and play back the loop it comes out at the perfect level. But then if I am strumming hard and I record and playback the loop it is too loud. Is there any way to adjust or fine tune this? Or maybe I have my settings wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic-Rock Music www.joshuamorin.com www.myspace.com/joshuamorin ric hordinski monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic 513.260.1043 ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C64E7B.EE0AFFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A compressor isn’t the what = is going to help here. What I am saying is that the looping pedal is = recording my soft fingerpicking at 1x the loudness and then when I play harder it is recording at 1.25x.

 

=

If I were to put a compressor then = it would sound like I would need to compress and keep the same loudness as = when I fingerpick the whole show… That doesn’t sound right? Did I = miss something?

 

=

Joshua

=

 

=

 

=

From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 23, = 2006 9:16 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Does someone = know the answer to this??

 

compressors. look into them.

 

 

 

 

On Mar 23, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Joshua Morin = wrote:

 

Hi = Loopers…

 

Just a quick question…

 

I use a = Digitech Jamman for my shows and I loop my rhythm parts on the fly so that I can solo = overtop during my performances.

 

My question is = that it seems like I can’t get the settings right for when I play a soft = song and when I play a loud song. When I am fingerpicking a song and I record and = play back the loop it comes out at the perfect level. But then if I am = strumming hard and I record and playback the loop it is too = loud…

 

Is there any = way to adjust or fine tune this? Or maybe I have my settings = wrong?

 

Any help would = be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks.

Joshua Morin
Artist/Songwriter<= /o:p>

Original Acoustic-Rock Music
www.joshuamorin.com<= /span>

www.myspace.com/joshuamorin

 

 

 

ric hordinski

 

 

www.richordinski.com

 

www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic

 

513.260.1043

 

------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C64E7B.EE0AFFC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 18:15:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49FEF3BF0C; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iBhwyqlCIlMByvX0cmzxeQ8NVmUf62fGNLzIHxaJ6LRqt0tKkQKZubE83PqVnjRCsFFnTTaJ/uzrVqJ/VOD163uORxpSVD0bKG6GTw6pmKIAbeKUHQZ0UhHtCE4IazAinP8oCR547S6cYxl8O1EjBQlxlB/7wUmlPBYB9hUpwYM= ; Message-ID: <20060323181556.69998.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:15:56 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: stumbling around in the dark..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2470107.1143048385508.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Even in well lite gigs I've had stuff like this happen. I had this happen the last gig I played in Santa Cruz with the Walker Brothers. Although I set my Korg KAOSS pad to not send patch change info via MIDI, mid way through a gig it forgot and started to. I was holding a chord via a Sustainiac and I did a rapid scroll to get to one of the presets and it all went kerflewy. You just have to roll with it and laugh and move on. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 18:20:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 258023BF01; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:21:13 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Does someone know the answer to this?? In-Reply-To: <200603231815.k2NIFnm15086@vxd.vxidmedia.com> Message-ID: References: <200603231815.k2NIFnm15086@vxd.vxidmedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <3JX7EB.A.QjC.XbuIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:20:08 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Joshua Morin wrote: > A compressor isn't the what is going to help here. What I am saying is that > the looping pedal is recording my soft fingerpicking at 1x the loudness and > then when I play harder it is recording at 1.25x. > > If I were to put a compressor then it would sound like I would need to > compress and keep the same loudness as when I fingerpick the whole show. > That doesn't sound right? Did I miss something? As a suggestion, if you put the compressor before the looping pedal, I think it should help balance the relative loudness of your soft and hard playing. regards, Steve B http:/www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 18:20:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC0C03BF0A; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200603231820.k2NIKAm16283@vxd.vxidmedia.com> From: "Joshua Morin" To: Subject: RE: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:20:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008E_01C64E7C.896CADB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcZOkM2zbzIoRIF8RCye9VWmWdd5NgAFPhiQ In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20060323093325.0360ec40@mail.uh.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:20:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C64E7C.896CADB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey David, This is Joshua (I am not sure if you meant monk or myself since I started the thread off). Anyhow, I record the verse or chorus (whatever I plan to solo over) as I am singing so no one notices. I find that it is helpful this way also because the tempo changes during the song (naturally up and down). I don't find that recording my verse at the beginning of the song in order to solo later works. I then have to tap the tempo in before I solo to resample and I just can't be bothered. Hope that this helps. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic-Rock Music 613.297.5962 www.joshuamorin.com joshua@joshuamorin.com _____ From: David Small [mailto:dsmall@uh.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:45 AM To: monk@fuse.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? Monk: I am also a fingerpicker and somewhat new to looping. I wonder if you or other loopers can address this (elementary) question: you mention that you play solo over your rhythm part "on the fly." OK, so you lay down the rhythm part first. Does that mean that you strum and record the rhythm part while you are singing a verse? or while someone else is playing the melody on their instrument? If you play solo, as I do, it would seem to be somewhat bland to the audience if all you were playing was the rhythm back-up the first time through. This has puzzled me since I started using my Echoplex a few months ago. Thank you for your consideration and best wishes in your musical endeavors. David Pearland, Texas Resent-date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:15:52 -0500 Resent-from: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: monk Subject: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? Resent-sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-to: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.3.0.1, Antispam-Data: 2006.03.23.055104 X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59147 compressors. look into them. On Mar 23, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Joshua Morin wrote: Hi Loopers. Just a quick question. I use a Digitech Jamman for my shows and I loop my rhythm parts on the fly so that I can solo overtop during my performances. My question is that it seems like I can't get the settings right for when I play a soft song and when I play a loud song. When I am fingerpicking a song and I record and play back the loop it comes out at the perfect level. But then if I am strumming hard and I record and playback the loop it is too loud. Is there any way to adjust or fine tune this? Or maybe I have my settings wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic-Rock Music www.joshuamorin.com www.myspace.com/joshuamorin ric hordinski monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic 513.260.1043 ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C64E7C.896CADB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey = David,

 

=

This is Joshua (I am not sure if = you meant monk or myself since I started the thread off). Anyhow, I record = the verse or chorus (whatever I plan to solo over) as I am singing so no one = notices. I find that it is helpful this way also because the tempo changes during = the song (naturally up and down). I don’t find that recording my verse at = the beginning of the song in order to solo later works. I then have to tap = the tempo in before I solo to resample and I just can’t be = bothered…

 

=

Hope that this = helps…

 

=

Joshua = Morin
Artist/Songwriter=

Original Acoustic-Rock = Music
613.297.5962
www.joshuamorin.com<= /font>
joshua@joshuamorin.com<= /font>

 

=

 

=

From: David = Small [mailto:dsmall@uh.edu]
Sent: Thursday, March 23, = 2006 10:45 AM
To: monk@fuse.net
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: Does = someone know the answer to this??

 

Monk: I am also a fingerpicker and somewhat new to looping. I = wonder
if you or other loopers can address this (elementary) question: you
mention that you play solo over your rhythm part "on the fly." = OK, so
you lay down the rhythm part first. Does that mean that you strum and =
record the rhythm part while you are singing a verse? or while someone =
else is playing the melody on their instrument? If you play solo, as I = do,
it would seem to be somewhat bland to the audience if all you were
playing was the rhythm back-up the first time through. This has puzzled =
me since I started using my Echoplex a few months ago. Thank you for =
your consideration and best wishes in your musical endeavors.

David
Pearland, = Texas  
 


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compressors. look into them.




On Mar 23, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Joshua Morin wrote:


Hi Loopers…

 

Just a quick question…

 

I use a Digitech Jamman for my shows and I loop my rhythm parts on the fly = so that I can solo overtop during my performances.

 

My question is that it seems like I can’t get the settings right for = when I play a soft song and when I play a loud song. When I am fingerpicking a = song and I record and play back the loop it comes out at the perfect level. = But then if I am strumming hard and I record and playback the loop it is too = loud…

 

Is there any way to adjust or fine tune this? Or maybe I have my settings = wrong?

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks.

Joshua Morin
Artist/Songwriter

Original Acoustic-Rock Music
www.joshuamorin.com

www.myspace.com/joshuamorin

 


ric hordinski

monk@fuse.net

www.richordinski.com

www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic

513.260.1043

------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C64E7C.896CADB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 18:27:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1659A3BEF5; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200603231827.k2NIRAm16979@vxd.vxidmedia.com> From: "Joshua Morin" To: Subject: RE: Does someone know the answer to this?? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:27:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcZOlJPkekCA7nSjRJmZbDC8Y3lBxgAEiOug In-Reply-To: <64b81a780603230812q113873a5gb620d5e9ba783e54@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:27:12 +0000 (UTC) I must be missing something here... Just so I can understand a little better... I will use dbs just for example purposes... Soft playing: 1 db loudness When played back Looper pedal then plays: 1db loudness Hard playing: 4 db loudness When played back Looper pedal plays: 6 db loudness Is the above normal? (Do I have a defective pedal?) If so, why wouldn't the pedal play back 4db in the second example. It shouldn't be recording at a ratio should it? Thanks in advance, Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic-Rock Music www.joshuamorin.com -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? The problem here is that your input level is varying dramatically. The solution is to give yourself some sort of control over the signal level going into the Jamman. There are a couple of ways to do this. 1) Manual control via a volume pedal, preamp volume knob, etc. Pros: You have complete control over the volume at all times. Cons: You've got to constantly be on guard controlling the input level. 2) Automatic level adjustment via a compressor or limiter. Pros: Level adjustments are taken care of automatically, and a constant level is maintained. Cons: Loss of instrument dynamics and a modification of the natural sound of your instrument. The choice is yours. If you lean towards a compressor, I advise doing a little research via the web about how to properly use a compressor. A little compression is often a good thing, but too much or poorly adjusted compression sounds awful. Hope this helps, Todd On 3/23/06, monk wrote: > compressors. look into them. > On Mar 23, 2006, at 8:19 AM, Joshua Morin wrote: > My question is that it seems like I can't get the settings right for when I > play a soft song and when I play a loud song. When I am fingerpicking a song > and I record and play back the loop it comes out at the perfect level. But > then if I am strumming hard and I record and playback the loop it is too > loud. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 18:27:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE1E23BF0F; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,123,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="1442583249:sNHT22976946" In-Reply-To: <008501c64e88$2d1c8380$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <27611720.1143059278466.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <008501c64e88$2d1c8380$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: GT-5 vs VF-1 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:26:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <1sbZJB.A._8C.HiuIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:27:19 +0000 (UTC) I've had 'em both, but unfortunately it's been quite a while since I was up on all their specs. As I remember, tho, the VF came out a good bit later than the GT, so it has a few newer (mostly pretty odd-ball, not to say lame-ass, tho that's what I thought) effects on it; it's more of the GT-6 vintage that way, and it definitely can load more simultaneous fx slots; in general, it has more bells and whistles, besides being conceived more as a general-purpose effector that a guitar-oriented one. But I never found anything it could do that would make it more interesting to me than the GT-5, which has remained my favorite Roland/Boss all-in-one effect...not counting, of course, the mighty VG-8/88s. I never warmed up to the VF, for some reason. Best bet is to download the manuals to them both, and start reading. Only you will know what you'd find essential. Best, dc On Mar 23, 2006, at 6:42 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Tim Wrote: > Since I'm starting to find the rackmount form factor > annoying > as hell, I need to know: > >> is there anything my VF-1 can do that the GT-5 cannot? Put another >> way, >> > would I be giving anything up by using a GT-5 instead? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 18:31:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBE873BEF6; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20060323093325.0360ec40@mail.uh.edu> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20060323093325.0360ec40@mail.uh.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:23:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <5k1MWC.A.3GD.sluIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:31:08 +0000 (UTC) At 9:44 AM -0600 3/23/06, David Small wrote: >If you play solo, as I do, >it would seem to be somewhat bland to the audience if all you were >playing was the rhythm back-up the first time through. Think of all the zillions of solo performers who have nothing else to do but play that rhythm backup! I consider myself a songwriter who uses looping, rather than a looper per se, if you know what I mean. So I very often record the changes while I'm singing. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 18:34:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 674AB3BF07; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=euz7vGOHNM5WCEFwSJIb22N+pL7dWQSuRDnfX1Y+LRS1617+g1Xc80yyiwf+P7kS; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <33497888.1143138883426.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:34:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GT-5 vs VF-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940afc572cf39e22f2c25a007994420fd14350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.33 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:34:44 +0000 (UTC) I just realized something, confirmed after a little googling... ther IS something I'd give up by switching from the impressive GT-3/5/6/8etc.... all the great non-guitar algorithms that just happen to sound wonderful with guitar, like the ISOLATOR...WHERE WOULD I BE WITHOUT THE "EMERGENCY" PRESET? No, I'm serious. It's wonderful with guitar, as are many of the vocal- and keyboard-oriented patches like Male-Female, Female-Male, Robot Voice. Won't get any of those with a GT. And yet, I am sooooo sick of worrying about MIDI cables, MIDI controllers, my expression pedals, all of their cables, the freakin' power supply for the MIDI controller. (Multiply times the number of rack units I want to take to the gig.) Maybe I'd just save the rack for artsy gigs where I have more time to set up, and get a GT for the rock gigs where I have 10 minutes AT MOST to set up on a tiny, poorly lit stage. Speaking of rock gigs, have any of you ever used a Vortex in a rock band, live? I find that many oif the patches that sound great in the living room just disappear amid the bass and drums. ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Douglas Baldwin >Sent: Mar 23, 2006 9:42 AM >To: mungenast@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: GT-5 vs VF-1 > >Tim Wrote: > Since I'm starting to find the rackmount form factor annoying >as hell, I need to know: >> is there anything my VF-1 can do that the GT-5 cannot? Put another way, >would I be giving anything up by using a GT-5 instead? > >An excellent question! I'm eager to find out, too. Anyone who has used both, >please post pronto! (I'm very busy at the moment, or I'd spend a half-hour >or two trolling Google for info myself.) > >dB, coyote > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 18:36:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5CBF3BEF0; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=DipHFSGazh56l5s8GgdEw8leoKhbBC5i2prRwCzHi40/PVFEfmjZGEdw5muMEkyR; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <12670388.1143138968159.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:36:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GT-5 vs VF-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b9d50b61d1a4fa8be670c89b9a5559f7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.33 Resent-Message-ID: <932nCD.A.1XD.YquIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:36:08 +0000 (UTC) thanks dave, and everybody so far... -----Original Message----- >From: David Coffin >Sent: Mar 23, 2006 1:26 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: GT-5 vs VF-1 > >I've had 'em both, but unfortunately it's been quite a while since I >was up on all their specs. As I remember, tho, the VF came out a good >bit later than the GT, so it has a few newer (mostly pretty odd-ball, >not to say lame-ass, tho that's what I thought) effects on it; it's >more of the GT-6 vintage that way, and it definitely can load more >simultaneous fx slots; in general, it has more bells and whistles, >besides being conceived more as a general-purpose effector that a >guitar-oriented one. But I never found anything it could do that >would make it more interesting to me than the GT-5, which has >remained my favorite Roland/Boss all-in-one effect...not counting, of >course, the mighty VG-8/88s. I never warmed up to the VF, for some >reason. Best bet is to download the manuals to them both, and start >reading. Only you will know what you'd find essential. >Best, >dc > >On Mar 23, 2006, at 6:42 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > >> Tim Wrote: > Since I'm starting to find the rackmount form factor >> annoying >> as hell, I need to know: >> >>> is there anything my VF-1 can do that the GT-5 cannot? Put another >>> way, >>> >> would I be giving anything up by using a GT-5 instead? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 18:56:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E7063BEF7; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:56:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: GT-5 vs VF-1 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:56:20 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01c64eab$79aa35d0$6600a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcZOqKcByb0d+D8ASSSCrJ+ICdKhQgAAmAYQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <12670388.1143138968159.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:56:17 +0000 (UTC) The VF1 is great for mangling the sound, but the guitar amp simulators are nowhere near as good as the GT series. In fact, the older GP100 sounds much better in the guitar department. I use my VF1 for acoustic guitar and it rocks. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > thanks dave, and everybody so far... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 19:31:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E10BC3BF02; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" , "CT-Collective" Subject: OT - welcome, Karsten Schulze Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:31:25 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c64eb0$60a67490$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZOsF/sUh2YWC83TYaLALQ+zim0Yw== Resent-Message-ID: <92Gm3C.A.w-F.SevIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:31:30 +0000 (UTC) who is Karsten Schulze? he's a good friend of mine, and a wonderful musician, who has just come out of his hole and made a first little myspace page, as an introduction to the online world. It doesn't contain any looping as far as I know, but among other (mostly earlier) beautiful stuff, there is a very wonderful little new harmonium piece ("slanting advancement"), actually a preview for his forthcoming harmonium-only album. Karsten, for those who know my own work, was the 'inventor' of the my2k project - he had the idea for a daily musical diary in the beginning of the year 2000. I was so intrigued by this idea back then that I started my own my2k project, told other people, and several loopers joined in - at the end of the year, only Jeff McLeod and David Cooper Orton had made it through, so there were four finished my2k collections at the end of 2000 (plus several unfinished, but nonetheless interesting, collections). Please welcome Karsten to the online world of loopers and open-minded musicians, visit his myspace page, and leave friend requests and comments. http://www.myspace.com/karsikaschu -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 19:33:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BDE93BEEC; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: GT-5 vs VF-1 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:33:18 -0500 Message-ID: <006f01c64eb0$a359f4b0$6600a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcZOrNWBeBbLGdOVTMaycbAiTu7xZgAA5m6g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <2176266.1143140763535.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <0hKhUB.A.vGG.6fvIEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Ohh I always went direct into a PA- never tried it on the front of an amp. Maybe I will check out that blues model again this afternoon. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > Better than the VF-1's models? > > Cool. I actually like the VF-1's amp models, some of them... > > The VF-1's "Blues" model is a terrific all-purpose amp model > and even sounds good into the front end of my creaky old > amps. I have actually made it my default clean tone. Great > for anything from "Then Play On"! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 20:24:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5DB83BEF5; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dUSUiBq67ou/H281u4teU//zvAYorPZetDwpC8Co3Q4AcTDBHfJWRXPEBBeXEIHNw8D2r7hr3SYfbpyWSIUGktsS94qellOUJ2csOqq0yQzDXluw+KBRYOwh3eIMFPArCeD1p+1W5FNXeBWm84rf3K5CiFnAaXgbxXLmOJrOe10= Message-ID: <987297100603231224x29660f0aradbe57f1b75a37df@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:24:03 +0300 From: "venkateshwara swami" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: This company is giving out ipods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi there. I don't usually send these on but you're going to want to see this. We can get an ipod nano free. http://giftresource321.com/?r=3DgTGEM1EUNCU1AGsAAyEN&i=3Dgmail&z=3D1&tc=3D2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 22:08:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A22F3BEFF; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:08:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:10:08 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: GIGSPAM: Warren Sirota with The Sandbox at The Monkey, NYC 4/23 In-reply-to: <000801c64eb0$60a67490$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001201c64ec6$8c49dd60$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:08:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm delighted to announce that my cohort Steve and I, aka *The Sandbox*, will be giving our first Manhattan concert at Dominic Frasca's ultra-cool The Monkey, at 26th between Bway and 6th in NY. Sunday evening, Apr. 23, 8PM. Steve will be adding his acoustic drum kit to the Handsonic he normally plays, and I will be playing version 0.7.nnnn of the mythical D'Loop software (it really is making progress towards being widely beta-able, but the day jobs make it a slow process, folks). Oh yeah, I'll also have my MIDI guitars (including the nylon-string Godin) and a mic for some text-based stuff I like to do. We're celebrating the release of our first CD, *Play Date*, and really could use some support from the New Yorkers here. Please buy tickets before all my relatives buy out the house! I need to make some *new* friends. More description and reservations at http://www.themonkeynyc.com/upcomingshows.htm Audio samples at http://warrensirota.com/sandbox and http://www.warrensirota.com/Solostuff/default.htm Thanks - hope to see you there. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 22:09:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAEED3BF06; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qMHOjZ5M+oKWIDCPVR5/YPK9DXc851i5ZolmTMWYQzw7y8T8V7CM1H3msTgIIo+QonG14OCGthTJSc2WtIiLuLgE0lfLknFebig0HIy4jy6zUMina0ni2YtpcN61R17i3RT0gv0ncCEGvj9yqXTAxgpbFJWTOotxWaYP9Lhcczg= ; Message-ID: <20060323220900.36740.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:09:00 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: This company is giving out ipods To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <987297100603231224x29660f0aradbe57f1b75a37df@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:09:02 +0000 (UTC) I'm giving out free opinions too, and mine is that anyone dumb enough to fall for one of these scams deserves everything they get. Please refrain from totally OT spam/scam fwds to this list. Mark --- venkateshwara swami wrote: > Hi there. > > I don't usually send these on but you're going to > want to see this. We > can get an ipod nano free. > > http://giftresource321.com/?r=gTGEM1EUNCU1AGsAAyEN&i=gmail&z=1&tc=2 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 22:38:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89B133BF00; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Lvyzrh8uHt0ilF/nf12JCOm6RJ75YvR6Rmv6e/f+jdg10IE0kA1L2zOIjCuNYsrsfuxh3K+KsRKE7I8pXA1vgiAPIH40iCvIEpEhOw28q1Pp2PYfuN8zfzbbBivzRG6+rji6CwzhBNF18qN2MSPRt5JKbpCI7CjOG8+q7lMjdjA= ; Message-ID: <20060323223810.51399.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:38:10 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: GT-5 vs VF-1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006f01c64eb0$a359f4b0$6600a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:38:12 +0000 (UTC) I don't know about the GT-5's amp models, though from a demo (with headphones) at a Guitar Center I thought they sounded pretty brittle and lifeless. The VF-1 has a few decent ones... but nothing to base your sound on IMO. I love the VF-1 for it's MIDI syncable effects at a bargain price. Also, it seems to be really well suited for distorting keyboard sounds, as many guitar preamp sims seem bad at. --- hazard factor wrote: > Ohh I always went direct into a PA- never tried it > on the front of an amp. > Maybe I will check out that blues model again this > afternoon. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > Better than the VF-1's models? > > > > Cool. I actually like the VF-1's amp models, some > of them... > > > > The VF-1's "Blues" model is a terrific all-purpose > amp model > > and even sounds good into the front end of my > creaky old > > amps. I have actually made it my default clean > tone. Great > > for anything from "Then Play On"! > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 22:49:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AD033BF08; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=37skcFfheN98oyc4YYdS7lJtfPJBC3AHtl5H0VR543nPcE+rAQ7ghCHqEn6cvnhv02IH3vpoTISv0so+16I5Si2y97wLGYvyhpMrr5FaD0ph7cK+cY+W0VkWvSncRzbx3Z4pFuYYxtrK2cEQx3TCUCDjm0+GEHdKw705DbZALxA= ; Message-ID: <20060323224904.82351.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:49:04 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: looping soundfiles To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6151d312fe18aebea1a178b9634560c6@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Very nice! --- Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Greetings. Just uploaded some new "texturly" > soundfiles to my website: > << http://homepage.mac.com/pmimlitsch/lep/lep.html > >>. They would be > "A1", "A2", "A3" under the "Atmospherics" heading on > the home page. If > inclined, give 'em a listen, enjoy (if inclined). > Take care. - Paul > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 23:05:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 340143BF17; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LN+1CiTwkw8rLGAiRRY/N6jyqaT5rFyqxgbV90w5yVgEG5Rhy8WcRVwm4buy/VS7iSPmYcC1V6dbxi7kNv7Loqi1gGahYfzE5yVL1DoUzw3WCumWFsDigPCzYJQqt5kUiPVitAX8zw+gPMyKGqn3DPncMij3pGEM2de+ert74uI= ; Message-ID: <20060323230545.62792.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:05:45 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44207733.7000708@likins.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Do you have any examples of it's sound? Does it just take a traditional audio input? --- Adrian Likins wrote: > > Totally agree on the x911. Definately one of my > favorites effects. It it > glitchy to say the least, but it makes some great > sounds. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 23:10:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DD293BF15; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: stumbling around in the dark..... Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:10:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060323181556.69998.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:10:31 +0000 (UTC) funny, I didn't notice it at all, perhaps it was because I so engrossed in the video images of insects in various acts of coitus further proof that Looping and video go together like hand in glove. Yeah Baby Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stumbling around in the dark..... Even in well lite gigs I've had stuff like this happen. I had this happen the last gig I played in Santa Cruz with the Walker Brothers. Although I set my Korg KAOSS pad to not send patch change info via MIDI, mid way through a gig it forgot and started to. I was holding a chord via a Sustainiac and I did a rapid scroll to get to one of the presets and it all went kerflewy. You just have to roll with it and laugh and move on. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 23 23:11:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A386B3BF1A; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NS6f3umGEKqmEFNRwtdEdHUibfbbOOoEA8Nw2GwhNIC9FLZj0+NaMVTze7wORvrvnfUS5gYXS0OCY7pfNVN0dFj5TrYlTNNGJe9XDRcEJhnwlLDIYV03n/OddJhEoziiVjtt5gbXbVAO0klgzReExOM6hiv5iz0lQwcGI6pNIjY= Message-ID: <64b81a780603231511l57e52ec8oace2727e11ce45c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:11:44 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stumbling around in the dark..... In-Reply-To: <20060323181556.69998.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2470107.1143048385508.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20060323181556.69998.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:11:45 +0000 (UTC) I think we all have stories like these. In the spirit of mutual sympathy, here's mine. :) One evening I found myself jamming in front of a small audience with a group of excellent musicians most of whom had never played with the others. Feeling adventurous we decided to give Yes's Roundabout a go. It actually worked out really well. I'm playing guitar and as it comes time for me to cover Steve Howe's solo I find myself on the wrong side of my pedal board....meaning the thing is behind me and upside down. So I quickly turn around and have to deal with a now completely backwards pedal board. Hoping for the best, I give a button a push that's supposed to boost my volume for the lead.=20 Instead I hit the button for a quiet clean tone. Oops! Where'd the guitar go? Luckily this particular solo breaks in the middle and allows the keyboards to rip for a few bars at which point I quickly put everything back in order and came out screaming for the second half. So let that be a lesson to the youngsters: If you're playing something as difficult as a Yes song with a band of strangers, don't go wandering around the stage. Sit your arse down and pay attention!=20 :) (On the other hand, I always did like the second half of the solo better anyway.) Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 00:29:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B87E3BEF0; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jSMJQPwpN0Y6bcP1ic41k4f91PSk/iniHj0By64crBLQ/gDLfhLsifBIfGC8akG7QVsBotPMyx11Ih8+15a5o5wkbXIWsLzMaMpU7/YaUBpT5prZrVv6kbPGcnaxNXF9bjBtTuJp976qJl5cYtVznjo5ehSfpmGzTqDuVCsEwCM= ; Message-ID: <20060324002952.99739.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:29:52 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: semi OT first Thomas Dolby tour in ages To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005201c64d60$72e901f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:29:54 +0000 (UTC) I bought my ticket this morning! http://www.ticketweb.com/user/?region=sfbay&query=detail&event=658853 see ya there! --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Per asked: > > "any frisco kids on the list gong there?" > > > I'm so there I can't see straight, Per. I only > wish I was wealthy enough > to just fly you over to do > a week's worth of shows culminating in us going to > see that show. > > So far I cannot find any information on the > availibity of tickets. > The venue, S.F.'s the INDEPENDENT doesn't even > have the date listed yet. > > Speaking of Mr. Dolby, > > Is anyone familiar with the melancholy tune off of > Astrounauts and Heretics > called > "I love You, Goodbye"? > > I think this song more perfectly captures the gothic > humid sadness of New > Orleans and that whole region > better than any single song I can think of with the > exception of a couple of > beautiful Sonny Landreth tunes. > > It has the most beautiful line about that magical > and somehow, ghostly area, > > "It has a spirit that cannot be broken". Even > after the terrible > hurricane, I think it is still true. > > I love Thomas Dolby. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 00:40:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1851D3BEF6; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UXWTiU01Oaf39OzRmFMJJFSeoyLBAm49PpG1c+vV4KRaYWix5O+QD0ztaS7ZWs1CZoNJMNwvtqa+VHrxJuS24JcPOSajCLjy0CMRvBqhqtrpZurhmBPxVRQC+wOtUyI6J3kOBgMAtv108DWmFS7U2wzjYO7BP8/VU5YmWXhhatk= ; Message-ID: <20060324004029.46984.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:40:29 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: filter factory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <286.7cc45d5.3151cfef@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:40:31 +0000 (UTC) I'd put any filter before the MO-FX. I've never used the Filter Factory, but I did have a MO-FX and it was one of the last things in my loop chain. I always like my filter stuff before reverb or delay. Sometimes after too, but always before. --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/21/06 4:01:14 AM, > vsyevolod@yahoo.com writes: > > > > The Filter Factory on the other hand, sounds as > clear and as deep as a > > snow-fed mountain > > stream.  > > > > stephen.....i have a ff also but i have been > disapointed in it.....how do > you use your's?.....i may be using mine > "incorrectly"......it was in the aux > send of my mackie 1202 going to my mo-fx (all i use > on this is the delay/looper) > into the ff then out to my rang.....i've taken it > out of my signal chain > altogether as of late.....i'm looking at it now and > it looks kool with its > brothers and sisters mofx-warpfactory-filterfactory > but all i use as i have said is > the delay on the mo-fx.....its like a "retro" stage > prop with all the knobs and > lites, can't have enuf of those!.....mic > n.p. L.D. COMPILATION # 3.....loverly! > > > > www.ct-collective.com > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 00:52:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBDAF3BEF7; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4281.128.193.37.212.1143161519.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:51:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Electrix Filter King vs. Queen From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:52:01 +0000 (UTC) What's the difference between the Electrix Filter King and the Electrix Filter Queen? Thanks, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 02:14:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 589E03BEE7; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,124,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="1974838418:sNHT24734532" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <59bb1557121c6926b331ab3229457470@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--496943223 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: OT - JUST WHEN YOU THINK THAT NOBODY WILL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (OR CARE) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:14:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:14:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--496943223 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Well, this is sort of off topic. But, I was gratified to discover today =20= something that I find no less than absoultely amazing. A year ago (or maybe two) I responded to a call for written comments =20 from some lobbying group (I think it was Common Cause or something like it) that =20= had e-mailed me (and gazillions of others) regarding some upcoming meetings that were going to be held in Washington D.C. to review the issue of =20= "localism" (local programming control and broadcast content) as affected by the =20 FCC's continuing deregulation (and continuing centralization) of the radio =20 airwaves. How often does someone ask your opinion and you really feel like they =20= really mean it and believe you have something to say? Not very often if you're =20= like me. Well, as it turns out my comments were some of the few selected to be =20= published in a paper that was eventually submitted before the FCC (whatever the =20= heck THAT means). It may not mean much. I may accomplish exactly diddly =20 squat. But, I feel kinda proud that my simple little comments got forwarded on =20= to somebody -- even if it winds up in somebody's trash can. I got heard. =20= Somebody, somewhere read it after all. You can view the 28 page PDF here: http://www.afm.org/public/press/localismreplycommentsFINAL.pdf My little insignificant blurb is on page 9. I may be nuts, but I'm =20 kinda proud. Striking a blow against the empire . . tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-1--496943223 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, this is sort of off topic. But, I was gratified to discover today something=20 that I find no less than absoultely amazing. A year ago (or maybe two) I responded to a call for written comments from some lobbying group (I think it was Common Cause or something like it) that had=20 e-mailed me (and gazillions of others) regarding some upcoming meetings=20 that were going to be held in Washington D.C. to review the issue of=20 "localism"=20 (local programming control and broadcast content) as affected by the FCC's=20 continuing deregulation (and continuing centralization) of the radio airwaves. How often does someone ask your opinion and you really feel like they really mean it and believe you have something to say? Not very often if you're like me. Well, as it turns out my comments were some of the few selected to be published=20 in a paper that was eventually submitted before the FCC (whatever the heck=20 THAT means). It may not mean much. I may accomplish exactly diddly squat. But, I feel kinda proud that my simple little comments got forwarded on to somebody -- even if it winds up in somebody's trash can. I got heard. Somebody, somewhere read it after all. You can view the 28 page PDF here:=20 http://www.afm.org/public/press/localismreplycommentsFINAL.pdf My little insignificant blurb is on page 9. I may be nuts, but I'm kinda proud. Striking a blow against the empire . .=20 tEd =AE kiLLiAn 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-1--496943223-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 02:25:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B46493BEEC; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44235892.7000602@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:25:22 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users References: <20060321184411.87541.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060321184411.87541.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Rafko M wrote: > After a thorough research on this subject, I found out that if one needs > multiple audio IN/OUTS, MIDI IN/OUT, HI-Z input, good mic preamps, low > latency, etc., there are two excellent laptop interfaces in the category > of "under $500" > > 1) Yamaha i88x - this might be overall a better choice, except that it > is larger in size > (480 x 373 x 44mm), i.e. not as portable as the second one. This is > a firewire > interface. You should be able to find it for $380 new. This one > apparently competes > well with MOTU's and Digidesign's more expensive interfaces. > > 2) E-MU 1616M. Connects via included PCMCIA card. It's around $500. > > Both of these interfaces were reviewed in 'Sound on Sound' and a number > of other tech magazines. > > Rafko I was just helping a friend with a similar purchase, and we stumbled across a couple new interfaces from Alesis. Apparently only the smaller of the two is shipping right now. I know absolutely nothing about their sound, reliability, or anything else, but they do look like they offer a fair bit of functionality for the price. The smaller one looks like it only has two line-out channels, which makes it not so looper-friendly, but the larger one has 8. http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=95 and http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=96 Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 02:36:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 207813BEE2; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:35:57 -0600 To: From: mech Subject: Insects & Coitus (was RE: stumbling around in the dark.....) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:36:01 +0000 (UTC) At 3:10 PM -0800 3/23/06, William Walker wrote: > >the video images of insects in various acts of coitus >further proof that Looping and video go together like hand in glove. Or go together like... Oh hell, that one's just too easy. Nevermind. --m. -- _______ "Snakes on a Plane..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 02:49:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D3203BEF0; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <44235892.7000602@adelphia.net> References: <20060321184411.87541.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> <44235892.7000602@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:49:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:49:41 +0000 (UTC) At 9:25 PM -0500 3/23/06, Brian Good wrote: > >I was just helping a friend with a similar purchase, and we stumbled >across a couple new interfaces from Alesis. Apparently only the >smaller of the two is shipping right now. I know absolutely nothing >about their sound, reliability, or anything else, but they do look >like they offer a fair bit of functionality for the price. The >smaller one looks like it only has two line-out channels, which >makes it not so looper-friendly, but the larger one has 8. It may be a non-issue (since these are Firewire, and a different basic architecture) but I've got a two-channel audio interface built into my Alesis Photon X25 USB MIDI controller. I've stopped even attempting to use it. It has a tendency to randomly blast huge noise bursts after some unspecified period. This is especially fun with headphones on (like I need any extra help going deaf). It won't stop until you reboot the computer. I didn't really care all that much (once my ears stopped ringing). Frankly, I bought the darn thing primarily for its Axyz controller. Anything additional is pretty much cake, so I just wrote off that functionality. As I said, it might not apply to this series. However, I'm somewhat leery of the Alesis audio interfaces now, at least in terms of quality control. --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 03:37:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD2443BEE8; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:37:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44236984.9030309@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:37:40 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users References: <20060321184411.87541.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> <44235892.7000602@adelphia.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:37:42 +0000 (UTC) mech wrote: > At 9:25 PM -0500 3/23/06, Brian Good wrote: > >> >> I was just helping a friend with a similar purchase, and we stumbled >> across a couple new interfaces from Alesis. Apparently only the >> smaller of the two is shipping right now. I know absolutely nothing >> about their sound, reliability, or anything else, but they do look >> like they offer a fair bit of functionality for the price. The >> smaller one looks like it only has two line-out channels, which makes >> it not so looper-friendly, but the larger one has 8. > > > It may be a non-issue (since these are Firewire, and a different basic > architecture) but I've got a two-channel audio interface built into my > Alesis Photon X25 USB MIDI controller. I've stopped even attempting to > use it. It has a tendency to randomly blast huge noise bursts after > some unspecified period. This is especially fun with headphones on > (like I need any extra help going deaf). It won't stop until you reboot > the computer. > > I didn't really care all that much (once my ears stopped ringing). > Frankly, I bought the darn thing primarily for its Axyz controller. > Anything additional is pretty much cake, so I just wrote off that > functionality. > > As I said, it might not apply to this series. However, I'm somewhat > leery of the Alesis audio interfaces now, at least in terms of quality > control. > > --m. Heh. That's why you probably don't want to buy version 1.0 of anything, or version 5.0 from some companies. Personally I've had bad luck with an early M-Audio Firewire 410, for example. It seems to know when it's being used in a live performance, because I've had it fail two out of the three times I've used it that way. To be fair, it was running under Windows, where it was more problematic than in my Mac setup, so maybe it was a Microsoft problem, rather than an M-Audio one. But there's nothing quite as much fun as downloading a replacement driver via Wifi during a dress rehearsal from a stage in the middle of the Arizona high desert. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 03:47:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4A853BEF5; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003801c64ef5$b3400870$a0b3ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <110a01c64b7a$206a5290$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441F2276.9070006@addcom.de> <00ab01c64c71$71ae6db0$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <441FE4A0.1000109@addcom.de> <159C73A0-3C9B-4953-9343-65BA2AAE473B@gmail.com> <020001c64d0c$99d2c070$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:47:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 508, in=248709, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Just to close out on this...I bought the Indigo Echo IO today, and I recieved my ThinkPad T60p yesterday...they said it would take 4-6 weeks to get it, and it took 4 day! Wow. I'm almost through installing all my audio programs and configuring them....what a pain, but well worth it. I really love the finger print reader for logging on to this computer....very sci-fi! I love not having to type. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users >I like your assessment here, Per, as it aligns to my situation. I too don't >need high quality mic-preamps, because my signal doesn't enter my computer >until it has been brought to line level by another unit in my rack. I just >need a PCMCIA card that will capture that line level input, allow me to >process it with VST effects, and then spit it back out through the output. >I need it to do this in a transparent way, and not degrade the quality of >the input signal. The Soundblaster card I'm using on my old notebook does >this very well. I imagine the IO will be even better. I plan to buy it, if >the ThinkPad T60p's audio I/O doesn't suffice. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Hi, >> >> I''m using two solutions that I'm very happy with. The Indigo Echo i/ o >> and the RME Multiface. If you listen carefully, the Multiface sounds a >> little better on playback. Not much and not enough to justify dragging >> it to a gig, since it is not a PCMCIA solution but a combination of a >> PCMIA card and a break-out box. But if I need multiple analog (or >> digital) in- and output I would bring the RME. >> >> Both solutions lack built-in mic preamps, a fact that many file as >> something negative. But I would rather have that and use the saved money >> for a standalone preamp. I have three external mic preamps: a small >> (cigarette package sized) one with an added fly mic for reed/ air >> instruments, (2) a PreSonus VXP analog preamp with good compressor, >> expander and dynamic filters (rarely taking it out of the studio for >> gigs) and (3) finally I have a TC Electronics FireworX multi effect >> processor, that does well as a mic amp too. >> >> My preferred laptop set up for live gigs is the small fly mic/preamp >> (eventually electric line instruments plugged directly into the second >> input of the Fireworx), the Fireworx going into the Echo i/o in stereo. >> If possible, I like to also bring an external compressor (RNG) to >> balance the stereo output before the PA stage box. Then I also bring a >> FCB1010 foot controller and a Faderfox mini hand mixer and some >> instrument to make noise with. >> >> per >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 03:51:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71A783BEF0; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:59:33 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: stumbling around in the dark..... To: Message-id: <001601c64ef7$5cc46020$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <2470107.1143048385508.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20060323181556.69998.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <64b81a780603231511l57e52ec8oace2727e11ce45c2@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2OLefD.A.BeG.Vz2IEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:51:49 +0000 (UTC) In the spirit of sharing.... I remember playing a show in highschool with what we can loosely call "a band." A few days earlier the other guitarist mentioned me that Nick Mason (drummer in Pink Floyd) might come to the show (long story...). So, up on stage we're playing "We Don't Need No Education" or (whatever it's really called) - which I really didn't know how to play. That's when my friend told me "He's here! He' here!" To say I was mortified would be to apply the benefit of 25 years of hindsight searching for the right word to describe extreme embarrassment, panic, wonder and more panic. He took us all out for a few beers afterwards, so that was cool. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Pafford" To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:11 PM Subject: Re: stumbling around in the dark..... I think we all have stories like these. In the spirit of mutual sympathy, here's mine. :) One evening I found myself jamming in front of a small audience with a group of excellent musicians most of whom had never played with the others. Feeling adventurous we decided to give Yes's Roundabout a go. It actually worked out really well. I'm playing guitar and as it comes time for me to cover Steve Howe's solo I find myself on the wrong side of my pedal board....meaning the thing is behind me and upside down. So I quickly turn around and have to deal with a now completely backwards pedal board. Hoping for the best, I give a button a push that's supposed to boost my volume for the lead. Instead I hit the button for a quiet clean tone. Oops! Where'd the guitar go? Luckily this particular solo breaks in the middle and allows the keyboards to rip for a few bars at which point I quickly put everything back in order and came out screaming for the second half. So let that be a lesson to the youngsters: If you're playing something as difficult as a Yes song with a band of strangers, don't go wandering around the stage. Sit your arse down and pay attention! :) (On the other hand, I always did like the second half of the solo better anyway.) Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 03:52:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E0403BEE9; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:00:39 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) To: Message-id: <001701c64ef7$8510d7c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:52:52 +0000 (UTC) I know I'm swimming against the tide on this one, but I am 9 times out of 10 not a fan of moving video during looping performances, or live music per se -- unless the video is synchronized to the music or vise-versa. Random associations of images and sounds rarely do much to inform eachother and generally (for me) detract from either the images or the sonics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: RE: stumbling around in the dark..... > funny, I didn't notice it at all, perhaps it was because I so engrossed in > the video images of insects in various acts of coitus > further proof that Looping and video go together like hand in glove. > > Yeah Baby > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:16 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: stumbling around in the dark..... > > > Even in well lite gigs I've had stuff like this > happen. I had this happen the last gig I played in > Santa Cruz with the Walker Brothers. Although I set my > Korg KAOSS pad to not send patch change info via MIDI, > mid way through a gig it forgot and started to. I was > holding a chord via a Sustainiac and I did a rapid > scroll to get to one of the presets and it all went > kerflewy. You just have to roll with it and laugh and > move on. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 03:53:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 636243BEFE; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:01:30 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Electrix Filter King vs. Queen To: Message-id: <001e01c64ef7$a234dd60$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4281.128.193.37.212.1143161519.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:53:41 +0000 (UTC) size, if I remember - 1/2 rack vs. full rack, right? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: Electrix Filter King vs. Queen > What's the difference between the Electrix Filter King and the Electrix Filter > Queen? > > Thanks, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 04:21:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B3D73BEB0; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1143174065.442373b186393@www.portbridge.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:21:05 -0500 From: davesisk@ipass.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anyway to add memory to a Boss RC-20? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Hey comrades: I recently picked up an older Boss RC-20 (roughly 5 minutes of sample time). I'm just curious if there's any way to add more memory to it. I'd imagine the storage is some flavor of flash memory on a chip or card, although I haven't opened the pedal up to see. Does anyone have any ideas if there's any way to do this? Thanks and best regards, Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 04:28:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88CDB3BEE9; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , , "The Ambient Way" Subject: dreamSTATE - Ten Minute PASSAGE Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:29:38 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000001c64efb$8fe33db0$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:28:57 +0000 (UTC) I've created a 10 minute "megamix" mp3 of the entire arc of our PASSAGE CD and uploaded it to the dreamSTATE mp3 page. We hope it entices people to buy the CD for the complete one-hour experience (after taking the short trip a few times in their mp3 players.) I know I get a kick out of hearing this "Reader's Digest" version so I hope you check it out. Here's direct links for streaming or downloading: HiFi - http://www.dreamstate.to/audio/ten_minute_passage.mp3 LoFi - http://www.dreamstate.to/audio/ten_minute_passage_32k.mp3 PASSAGE info, CD reviews, individual samples, online sales and all that at: http://cdbaby.com/cd/dreamstate2/from/trans Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 04:32:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 254823BEF7; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <44236984.9030309@adelphia.net> References: <20060321184411.87541.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> <44235892.7000602@adelphia.net> <44236984.9030309@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:32:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:32:41 +0000 (UTC) At 10:37 PM -0500 3/23/06, Brian Good wrote: > >Heh. That's why you probably don't want to buy version 1.0 of >anything, or version 5.0 from some companies. Oh yeah, I know exactly what you mean. However, Alesis seems to have this crazy R&D department that occasionally comes up with totally off-the-wall stuff, which is extremely cool but completely misses the market (for instance, their ModFX/Ineko/Akira effects). That stuff never seems to make it to rev 2.x. >Personally I've had bad luck with an early M-Audio Firewire 410, for example. Weirdly enough, my M-Audio Quattro was the only time I can remember where my experience was just exactly the opposite. I got one of the very first units out of the assembly line (one of the ones that bear the "Mac Only" stickers). A local music store had been sitting on it a while, so I got a deal. After they got into full production, there were complaints left and right about 'em (just check Harmony Central). But my early-production model with the latest drivers worked flawlessly -- still does. And this is even on my old Sony Vaio, despite the little sticker and instructions that say that it shouldn't work with an Intel machine at all. That's the exception, though. Usually, your advice to avoid new releases is right on. --m. -- _______ "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 06:53:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 783EB3BEF5; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:47:01 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: x911 example To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <442395E5.3070004@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:53:56 +0000 (UTC) googling x911 example: http://gnosticrocket.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_gnosticrocket_archive.html and x911 mp3: http://www.larrybell.org/id9.htm no doubt there's more... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 07:35:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5B1F3BEFE; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001e01c64ef7$a234dd60$0affff0a@hppav> References: <4281.128.193.37.212.1143161519.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <001e01c64ef7$a234dd60$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:35:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Electrix Filter King vs. Queen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:35:47 +0000 (UTC) At 11:01 PM -0500 3/23/06, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > What's the difference between the Electrix Filter King and the Electrix > > Filter Queen? > >size, if I remember - 1/2 rack vs. full rack, right? Yep, two rack space half-rack size (huh?) for the Filter Queen, and two rack space full-size for the Filter Factory. And MIDI. The Filter Factory has it, while it's lacking on the Filter Queen. The I/O is a bit different too, I think. The Filter Factory has additional RCA jacks for the DJ market, and the Filter Queen has a footpedal jack for something like an EV-5 to manually sweep the filter. I don't know if those features are mirrored on both units or not. Also, one of the reviewers on Sonicstate claimed there was a difference in character between the two (but didn't elaborate). It's analog, though, so you could probably just as well claim that there's a difference in character between two individual Filter Factories, or two Filter Queens. Both the manuals are online at http://www.electrixpro.com/support/manuals.html , so you can verify the configurations for certain. But, overall, I don't think there's a whole lotta difference between the two, especially if MIDI is not a differentiating factor for you. --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 07:46:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDAA73BEFA; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: <4281.128.193.37.212.1143161519.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <001e01c64ef7$a234dd60$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <57ACB193-FBD1-40B3-904F-A86392011975@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Electrix Filter King vs. Queen Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:50:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:46:50 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 23, 2006, at 11:35 PM, mech wrote: > Also, one of the reviewers on Sonicstate claimed there was a > difference in character between the two (but didn't elaborate). > It's analog, though, so you could probably just as well claim that > there's a difference in character between two individual Filter > Factories, or two Filter Queens. As I recall, the Filter Factory will go into self-oscillation almost too easily while the Filter Queen lacks the ability to self oscillate. According to an Electrix representative, too many people were causing damage to other equipment and their hearing with self oscillation on the Filter Factory. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 07:53:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFDE53BEF4; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <59bb1557121c6926b331ab3229457470@charter.net> References: <59bb1557121c6926b331ab3229457470@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <39f54798d9e05f7a4be0c978701223ce@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: OT - JUST WHEN YOU THINK THAT NOBODY WILL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (OR CARE) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:53:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:53:37 +0000 (UTC) > My little insignificant blurb is on page 9. I may be nuts, but I'm=20 > kinda proud. A very fine "insignificant blurb." Way to go, Ted. We should all be so=20= well spoken. best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 08:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32C193BEE6; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dJDwPKx1uBHNU37EZ5lbfgP+GfeZgkeYXRA8VUu+4CQHALAnQ+cgGESnJDDWYLiqnftz7LdQGW4JBGnG/ipaIasfvIARcHtejrYgF8hcIZt2WZ2D4Zhjt1iv5/JTV9glg3pvxRhgN7bzidTGtY04RLQ2ol3GtQSu/ABhNdIjaEA= ; Message-ID: <20060324081339.34217.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:13:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Electrix Filter King vs. Queen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4281.128.193.37.212.1143161519.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4bz0-D.A.HkH.0o6IEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:13:40 +0000 (UTC) --- johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > What's the difference between the Electrix Filter > King and the Electrix Filter Queen? The Filter Queen was the half-space wide x 2 space tall device in the original Electrix line. (I got mine in the great "raise money for Repeater R&D" blowout circa 2001.) The Filter King was talked about during one of the company's rescusitation attempts, basically an upgraded and (I think) full-width model, but I'm not sure it ever came out. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 08:53:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AD443BEF0; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060324005140.01ac29f0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:53:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Electrix Filter King vs. Queen In-Reply-To: References: <4281.128.193.37.212.1143161519.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <001e01c64ef7$a234dd60$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:53:33 +0000 (UTC) At 11:35 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote: >At 11:01 PM -0500 3/23/06, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >> > What's the difference between the Electrix Filter King and the Electrix >> > Filter Queen? >> >>size, if I remember - 1/2 rack vs. full rack, right? I'm sorry but I think you're thinking of the Filter Factory. I was wondering about the difference between the Electrix Filter King and Queen. The King was just released but seems identical to the Queen. Thanks, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 09:08:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAC523BEF5; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060324005140.01ac29f0@TheNettles.com> References: <4281.128.193.37.212.1143161519.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <001e01c64ef7$a234dd60$0affff0a@hppav> <7.0.0.16.0.20060324005140.01ac29f0@TheNettles.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:08:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Electrix Filter King vs. Queen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9_TCnC.A.bCE.rc7IEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:08:59 +0000 (UTC) At 12:53 AM -0800 3/24/06, Kevin wrote: > >I'm sorry but I think you're thinking of the Filter Factory. I was >wondering about the difference between the Electrix Filter King and >Queen. The King was just released but seems identical to the Queen. Ah, now I see where you're coming from. The Filter King is supposedly the updated version of the Filter Queen, which was announced by Electrix for NAMM before last. So far, it's going on two years, and still no further details on any of those Mk 2 products beyond the flysheet .pdf that's up on the front page of their website. I'm still hopeful we'll see something from these guys (especially Repeater Mk 2), but I know an awful lot of people who have given up and written them off. Who knows when, or if, we'll ever actually see a Filter King... --m. -- _______ "I want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 09:51:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA35C3BF04; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CACZOI0SBaYYWLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060324092224.02c697a0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:49:22 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Vortex in a rock band In-Reply-To: <20060323202406.7016A3BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060323202406.7016A3BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:51:29 +0000 (UTC) >Speaking of rock gigs, have any of you ever used a Vortex in a rock >band, live? I find that many oif the patches that sound great in the >living room just disappear amid the bass and drums. hi Tim I didn't have a problem in a rehearsal studio type situation, but if you mean playing with a "professional" pa then I'd think about making easy uncomplicated sounds that a "sound guy" might be able to live with. Generally the fine details of a patch are always going be somewhat lost when you blend your guitar with other sounds. An echo at low volume will tend to disappear completely. In any case, what sounds good on solo guitar isn't always going to work in a band context. the supplied vortex presets are probably worth avoiding Try going for simpler echoes, turn up the echo volume, and turn down the no. of repeats. Use simpler values for echo divide ( like putting them both = 2) ...and plenty of Vortex extreme modulation brought in with the pedal :-) andy butler www.andybutler.com mp3 and home of the Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 10:44:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA6A43BEF7; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , "loop.pool" Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:44:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: semi OT first Thomas Dolby tour in ages Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4423CD9B.30116.41C279@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <005201c64d60$72e901f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:44:52 +0000 (UTC) On 21 Mar 2006 at 19:26, loop.pool wrote: > Is anyone familiar with the melancholy tune off of Astrounauts and > Heretics called "I love You, Goodbye"? Yes - a long time favourite of mine. I know it from the single version of "close but no cigar" - Dolby & Van Halen - an unlikley but intriguing combination. Managed to pick up a fernandes dragonfly with sustainer technology for only =A3200 on ebay - can't wait to get it looping! All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 11:02:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 177253BF06; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CADRcI0SBaYYWLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060324110037.0280deb0@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060324104909.0284fc00@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:00:47 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Guitar Player - Looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:02:56 +0000 (UTC) here's the article without pictures http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=5&storycode=13444 andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 12:03:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E8213BEE7; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:04:46 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: OT - JUST WHEN YOU THINK THAT NOBODY WILL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (OR CARE) In-reply-to: <59bb1557121c6926b331ab3229457470@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <018501c64f3b$248d90c0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_V0RY10ltpgTgEl8QX1bRUw)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:03:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_V0RY10ltpgTgEl8QX1bRUw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Good work, Ted. Thanks for doing what you can to participate and improve our faux-democracy. Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: tEd R kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT - JUST WHEN YOU THINK THAT NOBODY WILL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (OR CARE) Well, this is sort of off topic. But, I was gratified to discover today something that I find no less than absoultely amazing. A year ago (or maybe two) I responded to a call for written comments from some lobbying group (I think it was Common Cause or something like it) that had e-mailed me (and gazillions of others) regarding some upcoming meetings that were going to be held in Washington D.C. to review the issue of "localism" (local programming control and broadcast content) as affected by the FCC's continuing deregulation (and continuing centralization) of the radio airwaves. How often does someone ask your opinion and you really feel like they really mean it and believe you have something to say? Not very often if you're like me. Well, as it turns out my comments were some of the few selected to be published in a paper that was eventually submitted before the FCC (whatever the heck THAT means). It may not mean much. I may accomplish exactly diddly squat. But, I feel kinda proud that my simple little comments got forwarded on to somebody -- even if it winds up in somebody's trash can. I got heard. Somebody, somewhere read it after all. You can view the 28 page PDF here: http://www.afm.org/public/press/localismreplycommentsFINAL.pdf My little insignificant blurb is on page 9. I may be nuts, but I'm kinda proud. Striking a blow against the empire . . tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121 197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Boundary_(ID_V0RY10ltpgTgEl8QX1bRUw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
Good work, Ted. Thanks for doing what you can to participate and improve our faux-democracy.
 
Best wishes,
Warren Sirota
-----Original Message-----
From: tEd ® kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:15 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT - JUST WHEN YOU THINK THAT NOBODY WILL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (OR CARE)

Well, this is sort of off topic. But, I was gratified to discover today something
that I find no less than absoultely amazing.

A year ago (or maybe two) I responded to a call for written comments from some
lobbying group (I think it was Common Cause or something like it) that had
e-mailed me (and gazillions of others) regarding some upcoming meetings
that were going to be held in Washington D.C. to review the issue of "localism"
(local programming control and broadcast content) as affected by the FCC's
continuing deregulation (and continuing centralization) of the radio airwaves.

How often does someone ask your opinion and you really feel like they really
mean it and believe you have something to say? Not very often if you're like me.
Well, as it turns out my comments were some of the few selected to be published
in a paper that was eventually submitted before the FCC (whatever the heck
THAT means). It may not mean much. I may accomplish exactly diddly squat.
But, I feel kinda proud that my simple little comments got forwarded on to
somebody -- even if it winds up in somebody's trash can. I got heard. Somebody,
somewhere read it after all.

You can view the 28 page PDF here:

http://www.afm.org/public/press/localismreplycommentsFINAL.pdf

My little insignificant blurb is on page 9. I may be nuts, but I'm kinda proud.

Striking a blow against the empire . .

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
--Boundary_(ID_V0RY10ltpgTgEl8QX1bRUw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 13:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9ECC3BEF4; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:09:01 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) In-reply-to: <001701c64ef7$8510d7c0$0affff0a@hppav> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:07:50 +0000 (UTC) I have a question I've been asking myself about this. I'm performing at the Monkey next month, and it has a projection video screen. I've been wondering whether to duplicate my laptop display to the screen, showing the looping software interface. I think it would be kind of cool - in a way, it's like a "form-follows-function", Bauhaus kind of thing to do. OTOH, maybe that's just a distraction from the music, and I shouldn't overplay the intellectual aspects of what's going on onstage. After all, I'm not showing a display designed to be a piece of art, it's more like watching the inner workings of watch. It will, though, have an obvious synchronization with sonic and physical (footcontroller presses, etc) events. Opinions? Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 13:18:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8BDB3BF01; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:18:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oQs5d2B3uDstujxo2oRbcl/EFAnxmWicMoNUFQeKrfxuW9pDNiIF3J4tZGb5GcvUt7mHIOSOhNy7aPjYWrqPMHXH/bx8cdooBI6gaFVNmUyf2rj+gIc+bP2+q/htE3YUUBV3lWF5Fo72sRLge6tdThqSB4xRFrJsIjoh37yt3XA= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603240518l1e41fc69j995ba40acff6811f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:18:18 +0000 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) In-Reply-To: <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <001701c64ef7$8510d7c0$0affff0a@hppav> <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: <06WF6B.A.rhB.cG_IEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:18:20 +0000 (UTC) On 3/24/06, Warren Sirota wrote: > I have a question I've been asking myself about this. I'm performing at t= he > Monkey next month, and it has a projection video screen. I've been wonder= ing > whether to duplicate my laptop display to the screen, showing the looping > software interface. My initial reaction is that were I in the audience (which I won't be 'cos I'm the other side of the big pond) I would be appalled to find I had the choice of watching a computer display, squeezing my eyes tightly shut or running screaming out into the night. I spend way too much time staring at computers of one sort or another and really wouldn't want to be confronted with such a display during my off time. Sorry if that's an overly-negative response, but it's an honest one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 13:25:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2B133BEF9; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "1000times" To: Subject: RE : video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:25:39 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c64f46$714c03f0$b9829d53@nom69pxtzsc526> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <353e2ed80603240518l1e41fc69j995ba40acff6811f@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:25:50 +0000 (UTC) on the other hand, and although I also do spend a LOT of time looking at computer displays, I would be very curious of trying to figure what is going on on this display during the show, what software is that, what does this or that mean, how does the software interact with what I hear, etc etc... and this would probably not spoil my music enjoyment, but also lead me to go and ask questions to the performer after the show. it takes all sorts ... Francois -----Message d'origine----- De : David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com]=20 Envoy=E9 : vendredi 24 mars 2006 14:18 =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet : Re: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) On 3/24/06, Warren Sirota wrote: > I have a question I've been asking myself about this. I'm performing at the > Monkey next month, and it has a projection video screen. I've been wondering > whether to duplicate my laptop display to the screen, showing the looping > software interface. My initial reaction is that were I in the audience (which I won't be 'cos I'm the other side of the big pond) I would be appalled to find I had the choice of watching a computer display, squeezing my eyes tightly shut or running screaming out into the night. I spend way too much time staring at computers of one sort or another and really wouldn't want to be confronted with such a display during my off time. Sorry if that's an overly-negative response, but it's an honest one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 13:35:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E69623BEF6; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:35:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:37:35 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) In-reply-to: <353e2ed80603240518l1e41fc69j995ba40acff6811f@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000a01c64f48$1c9404a0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:35:42 +0000 (UTC) David, honesty is what I'm seeking. It was a sincere question. It's valuable to me to know your true reaction. Thank you. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around > in the dark.....) > My initial reaction is that were I in the audience (which I > won't be 'cos I'm the other side of the big pond) I would be > appalled to find I had the choice of watching a computer > display, squeezing my eyes tightly shut or running screaming > out into the night. > > I spend way too much time staring at computers of one sort or > another and really wouldn't want to be confronted with such a > display during my off time. > > Sorry if that's an overly-negative response, but it's an honest one. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 13:42:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D48A3BEF6; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:44:50 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: RE : video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) In-reply-to: <000a01c64f46$714c03f0$b9829d53@nom69pxtzsc526> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000b01c64f49$1fbcc670$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Francois, you get the plus side of the display. When I see a performer = using effects, I'm always sort of curious what he's stomping on at any given instant, and what it's doing. Of course, a lot of things are just = obvious, but some aren't. But maybe that's kind of "inside baseball" (whatever = that means) - too technical to be interesting for most and not artistically engaging in its own right.=20 I'm grasping for the right analogy here (and already leaning towards = *not* showing the display due to both the sheer intensity of David's reaction = and also my wife's reaction, which was also negative). I guess maybe it's = like this: When I go to a concert, I like to see the pianist's fingers. But I don't need to see the piano hammers moving. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: 1000times [mailto:frenchloops@free.fr]=20 > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:26 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE : video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling=20 > around in the dark.....) >=20 >=20 >=20 > on the other hand, and although I also > do spend a LOT of time looking at computer displays, > I would be very curious of trying to figure > what is going on on this display during the show, > what software is that, what does this or that mean, > how does the software interact with what I hear, etc etc... > and this would probably not spoil my music enjoyment, > but also lead me to go and ask questions to the performer=20 > after the show. it takes all sorts ... >=20 > Francois >=20 >=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com]=20 > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 24 mars 2006 14:18 > =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet : Re: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the > dark.....) >=20 >=20 > On 3/24/06, Warren Sirota wrote: > > I have a question I've been asking myself about this. I'm performing > at the > > Monkey next month, and it has a projection video screen. I've been > wondering > > whether to duplicate my laptop display to the screen, showing the > looping > > software interface. >=20 > My initial reaction is that were I in the audience (which I=20 > won't be 'cos I'm the other side of the big pond) I would be=20 > appalled to find I had the choice of watching a computer=20 > display, squeezing my eyes tightly shut or running screaming=20 > out into the night. >=20 > I spend way too much time staring at computers of one sort or=20 > another and really wouldn't want to be confronted with such a=20 > display during my off time. >=20 > Sorry if that's an overly-negative response, but it's an honest one. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 13:44:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B97C03BF05; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.028402 secs Process 12168) Message-ID: <3719.88.109.254.225.1143207860.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <000a01c64f46$714c03f0$b9829d53@nom69pxtzsc526> References: <353e2ed80603240518l1e41fc69j995ba40acff6811f@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c64f46$714c03f0$b9829d53@nom69pxtzsc526> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:44:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: RE : video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4L6ShD.A.lDD.2e_IEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:44:22 +0000 (UTC) I've got some support gigs coming up at a local venue (if my health allows it) which has a video DJ & multiple cameras running on a G5 console. I'm planning to give him a VGA out from the laptop, so that the audience can at least see the concept of what I'm doing on stage. I'd say go for it! - Stuart Wyatt http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 14:13:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 227EB3BEF0; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ac01c64f4d$1f0b05d0$a0b3ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <008001c64c6e$c4f5e280$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:13:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 511, in=261217, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:13:32 +0000 (UTC) A number of folks where this file is hosted for the time being. I have it on my website under the Looper's Delight Logo and descriptive text: http://www.krispenhartung.com/ (that way you can download it, if you want) .....hopefully we can get it linked on the LD site sometime, somewhere. Kris > Thanks for all the songs, everyone! I have 64 of them in the playlist now. > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u > > I've been using the MusicMatch software to listen to the list, which seems > to work great too. > > Keep 'em coming! > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 14:33:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A8713BEFA; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Fn4ODZFFAszWSlQXxzEXE+d9Qft2XXRsC61Ym1VDUtKVkpXkj+12MbWnhrDsqrA+TxBDQ5gx2++zk1yOglk1R4RwXWR/eiXkJE6xtA7bxM9SMXVzyDlNtCmUHPA5tpwhr65BNM+QwYbSJSL3O4+gJjzz3FR9k9p8kSe5tr7J2Rg= ; Message-ID: <20060324143259.90715.qmail@web37912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:32:59 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Insects & Coitus (was RE: stumbling around in the dark.....) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-774105823-1143210779=:90636" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_gs69C.A.qiF.dMAJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:33:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-774105823-1143210779=:90636 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit anyone ever hear startled insects~curse of the pheromones? its a good listen,and works well with human coitus... mech wrote: At 3:10 PM -0800 3/23/06, William Walker wrote: > >the video images of insects in various acts of coitus >further proof that Looping and video go together like hand in glove. Or go together like... Oh hell, that one's just too easy. Nevermind. --m. -- _______ "Snakes on a Plane..." --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-774105823-1143210779=:90636 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit anyone ever hear startled insects~curse of the pheromones? its a good listen,and works well with human coitus...

mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:
At 3:10 PM -0800 3/23/06, William Walker wrote:
>
>the video images of insects in various acts of coitus
>further proof that Looping and video go together like hand in glove.

Or go together like...

Oh hell, that one's just too easy. Nevermind.

--m.

--
_______
"Snakes on a Plane..."


New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-774105823-1143210779=:90636-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 14:41:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F67E3BEF5; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MQ3vrjQyqfZKKShv1VmOA8ieizCJnbgDKT6UgqdjfCme4YREZldKRBF9b5UA1yBc7TCF1YT2PTMY0/Y+u/JrRa9qMqJS1/nrHnezO87mQZ5Cq1NvCXofwQxCKkXKZixqoSQmHIn7vZBk3S7SHk33R/ler9ujy9E7hOd0hnjzImc= ; Message-ID: <20060324144110.56368.qmail@web37914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:41:10 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001701c64ef7$8510d7c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-385892395-1143211270=:55406" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:41:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-385892395-1143211270=:55406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit skinny puppy's too dark park and last rites tours were the pinacle of anything video ive ever wittnessed. it got inside your head in a big way.i would like to improvise sound while watching such images... David Kirkdorffer wrote: I know I'm swimming against the tide on this one, but I am 9 times out of 10 not a fan of moving video during looping performances, or live music per se -- unless the video is synchronized to the music or vise-versa. Random associations of images and sounds rarely do much to inform eachother and generally (for me) detract from either the images or the sonics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: RE: stumbling around in the dark..... > funny, I didn't notice it at all, perhaps it was because I so engrossed in > the video images of insects in various acts of coitus > further proof that Looping and video go together like hand in glove. > > Yeah Baby > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:16 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: stumbling around in the dark..... > > > Even in well lite gigs I've had stuff like this > happen. I had this happen the last gig I played in > Santa Cruz with the Walker Brothers. Although I set my > Korg KAOSS pad to not send patch change info via MIDI, > mid way through a gig it forgot and started to. I was > holding a chord via a Sustainiac and I did a rapid > scroll to get to one of the presets and it all went > kerflewy. You just have to roll with it and laugh and > move on. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. --0-385892395-1143211270=:55406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit skinny puppy's too dark park and last rites tours were the pinacle of anything video ive ever wittnessed. it got inside your head in a big way.i would like to improvise sound while watching such images...

David Kirkdorffer <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
I know I'm swimming against the tide on this one, but I am 9 times out of 10
not a fan of moving video during looping performances, or live music per
se -- unless the video is synchronized to the music or vise-versa. Random
associations of images and sounds rarely do much to inform eachother and
generally (for me) detract from either the images or the sonics.




----- Original Message -----
From: "William Walker"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: stumbling around in the dark.....


> funny, I didn't notice it at all, perhaps it was because I so engrossed in
> the video images of insects in various acts of coitus
> further proof that Looping and video go together like hand in glove.
>
> Yeah Baby
>
> Bill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:16 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....
>
>
> Even in well lite gigs I've had stuff like this
> happen. I had this happen the last gig I played in
> Santa Cruz with the Walker Brothers. Although I set my
> Korg KAOSS pad to not send patch change info via MIDI,
> mid way through a gig it forgot and started to. I was
> holding a chord via a Sustainiac and I did a rapid
> scroll to get to one of the presets and it all went
> kerflewy. You just have to roll with it and laugh and
> move on.
>
> Mark
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>


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Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. --0-385892395-1143211270=:55406-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 14:51:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5AF03BF08; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <23026243.1143211888971.JavaMail.root@web30> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 9:51:28 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: nick@12testing.net Subject: Re: semi OT first Thomas Dolby tour in ages Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:51:34 +0000 (UTC) I Love You, Goodbye I would never normally go bowling On a friday morning in New Orleans But I like to come here to remember The kind of places you took me Like the time we stole a Datsun And drove all night to the everglades Until we crashed it in a big electric storm And stood there listening to the bayou rain The county sheriff had a hair - lip Louisiana's pride and joy He said politley as he cuffed me "I never busted an English boy ... But I will accept a contribution To the Opelousas' Charity Ball But you better drive this dirty Datsun Into the Gulf of Mexico" Under a Cajun moon I lay me open There is a spirit here that won't be broken Some words are sad to sing Some leave me tongue-tied (But the hardest thing to tell you ) But the hardest words I know Are I love you goodbye I love you goodbye Typhoon Pierre delayed my plane till morning (Jusqu'au matin) Let the bontemps rouler from your accordion (L'accordien) Under a cajun moon I lay me open (Y a un esprit partout) There is a spirit here that won't be broken (Simple words are sad to sing Some words are sad to sing (They leave me tongue-tied) Some leave you tongue-tied (But the hardest thing to tell you my friend) But the hardest words I know (Is I love you goodbye) Are I love you goodbye (Je t'aime, au revoir) I love you goodbye (Je t'aime, toujours) I love you, goodbye=20 -- Paul =20 ---- "nick@12testing.net" wrote:=20 > On 21 Mar 2006 at 19:26, loop.pool wrote: >=20 > > Is anyone familiar with the melancholy tune off of Astrounauts and > > Heretics called "I love You, Goodbye"? >=20 > Yes - a long time favourite of mine. I know it from the single > version of "close but no cigar" - Dolby & Van Halen - an unlikley but > intriguing combination. >=20 > Managed to pick up a fernandes dragonfly with sustainer technology > for only =C2=A3200 on ebay - can't wait to get it looping! >=20 >=20 > All the best, >=20 > Nick Robinson >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 14:53:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37F993BEFA; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0rfnammF1LajLDkeYVgw5AzeCy1phvZ27JNAQQjD+lulEX1SVIIIpXAiCmkiNHuxbHsGWkkwXXie6LWcdMzEhLieIuulw9hwLhj2MpI28En5F/X0A/lY8S/rZRJZyMQcbtl/yieOUk7I2/UZTwbDKzak7NpJ9Eas9L1NJhN/0RU= ; Message-ID: <20060324145339.5785.qmail@web37915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: RE: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1582798933-1143212019=:5483" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:53:41 +0000 (UTC) --0-1582798933-1143212019=:5483 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit go with your gut...we havent developed these new insticts for nothing Warren Sirota wrote: I have a question I've been asking myself about this. I'm performing at the Monkey next month, and it has a projection video screen. I've been wondering whether to duplicate my laptop display to the screen, showing the looping software interface. I think it would be kind of cool - in a way, it's like a "form-follows-function", Bauhaus kind of thing to do. OTOH, maybe that's just a distraction from the music, and I shouldn't overplay the intellectual aspects of what's going on onstage. After all, I'm not showing a display designed to be a piece of art, it's more like watching the inner workings of watch. It will, though, have an obvious synchronization with sonic and physical (footcontroller presses, etc) events. Opinions? Best wishes, Warren Sirota --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --0-1582798933-1143212019=:5483 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
go with your gut...we havent developed these new insticts for nothing


Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
I have a question I've been asking myself about this. I'm performing at the
Monkey next month, and it has a projection video screen. I've been wondering
whether to duplicate my laptop display to the screen, showing the looping
software interface. I think it would be kind of cool - in a way, it's like a
"form-follows-function", Bauhaus kind of thing to do. OTOH, maybe that's
just a distraction from the music, and I shouldn't overplay the intellectual
aspects of what's going on onstage. After all, I'm not showing a display
designed to be a piece of art, it's more like watching the inner workings of
watch. It will, though, have an obvious synchronization with sonic and
physical (footcontroller presses, etc) events. Opinions?

Best wishes,
Warren Sirota


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Messenger with Voice. --0-1582798933-1143212019=:5483-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 14:59:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C0D43BF0F; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OmOR/LELR9sfCpzVwQgT405yCuKGSGSYDGXnj3rdtoWW0soCx/IxA8yirSrTXrAc; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <21246059.1143212370297.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:59:29 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stumbling around in the dark..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940d09ffaeee53c44df976baa2ad412bf88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.41 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Great stories! ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: David Kirkdorffer >Sent: Mar 23, 2006 10:59 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: stumbling around in the dark..... > >In the spirit of sharing.... > >I remember playing a show in highschool with what we can loosely call "a >band." A few days earlier the other guitarist mentioned me that Nick Mason >(drummer in Pink Floyd) might come to the show (long story...). So, up on >stage we're playing "We Don't Need No Education" or (whatever it's really >called) - which I really didn't know how to play. That's when my friend >told me "He's here! He' here!" To say I was mortified would be to apply >the benefit of 25 years of hindsight searching for the right word to >describe extreme embarrassment, panic, wonder and more panic. > >He took us all out for a few beers afterwards, so that was cool. > >David > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Todd Pafford" >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:11 PM >Subject: Re: stumbling around in the dark..... > > >I think we all have stories like these. In the spirit of mutual >sympathy, here's mine. :) > >One evening I found myself jamming in front of a small audience with a >group of excellent musicians most of whom had never played with the >others. Feeling adventurous we decided to give Yes's Roundabout a go. > It actually worked out really well. I'm playing guitar and as it >comes time for me to cover Steve Howe's solo I find myself on the >wrong side of my pedal board....meaning the thing is behind me and >upside down. So I quickly turn around and have to deal with a now >completely backwards pedal board. Hoping for the best, I give a >button a push that's supposed to boost my volume for the lead. >Instead I hit the button for a quiet clean tone. Oops! Where'd the >guitar go? Luckily this particular solo breaks in the middle and >allows the keyboards to rip for a few bars at which point I quickly >put everything back in order and came out screaming for the second >half. > >So let that be a lesson to the youngsters: If you're playing >something as difficult as a Yes song with a band of strangers, don't >go wandering around the stage. Sit your arse down and pay attention! >:) (On the other hand, I always did like the second half of the solo >better anyway.) > >Todd > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 15:10:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A71F73BF11; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pbq0/JUuiXJR5Eh2qbypYuWEZE8X6WBugc2nHx2n74czUA+4FPqLDTb+okvHoS29; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <5386735.1143213036805.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:10:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex, fuzz, Ted Killian's caramel ring mod setting Re: Vortex in a rock band Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403292a522f158aa64ca676ac927c3bdfc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.41 Resent-Message-ID: <-n0MP.A.S7H.tvAJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for your thoughtful and useful advice, Andy! I appreciate your wisdom. " if you mean playing with a "professional" pa " I run my rig mono into an ancient tube amp, but yeah, I will try your ideas. The factory presets do sound pretty nice, in a "livingroom" kind of way, but yeah, I can see how they would need to be tweaked for the special task of being heard over the drums and cymbals etc. I find the same trouble with fuzz. It's great for solo gigs, but in a band, somehow the waveform just gets lost in the cymbals, even when I have the box set loud enough for infinite feedback. Funny, I can feel my back getting pulverized by the sound from my amp, but I can't really hear it. Not sure how Jimi got away with it, exceept that I am not going through a painfully loud plexi Super Lead like he was. (LOL) Fuzz is a strange animal. So is sound in general! Now if I can get the Vortex to make Ted Killian's molten caramel ring modulation, which was part of why I bought a Vortex in the first place, I can die happy ;-) With Gratitude, Tim -----Original Message----- >From: a k butler >Sent: Mar 24, 2006 4:49 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Vortex in a rock band > > >>Speaking of rock gigs, have any of you ever used a Vortex in a rock >>band, live? I find that many oif the patches that sound great in the >>living room just disappear amid the bass and drums. > >hi Tim > >I didn't have a problem in a rehearsal studio type situation, >but if you mean playing with a "professional" pa then I'd >think about making easy uncomplicated sounds that a "sound guy" >might be able to live with. > >Generally the fine details of a patch are always going be somewhat >lost when you blend your guitar with other sounds. An echo at low >volume will tend to disappear completely. >In any case, what sounds good on solo guitar isn't always going to >work in a band context. > >the supplied vortex presets are probably worth avoiding > >Try going for simpler echoes, >turn up the echo volume, and turn down the no. of repeats. >Use simpler values for echo divide ( like putting them both = 2) > >...and plenty of Vortex extreme modulation brought in with the pedal :-) > >andy butler >www.andybutler.com mp3 and home of the Vortex Database > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 15:21:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8852C3BF00; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060324071321.01ad1928@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:21:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: RE: video during shows In-Reply-To: <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <001701c64ef7$8510d7c0$0affff0a@hppav> <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:21:54 +0000 (UTC) At 05:09 AM 3/24/2006, you wrote: >I've been wondering >whether to duplicate my laptop display to the screen, showing the looping >software interface. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain." Dorothy got all distracted from the show when she did so. If you want to easily do synched video with your performance, perhaps "sCrAmBlEd?HaCkZ!" will be released in time for you to put it on a second laptop with all your favorite Teletubbies shows: http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2006/03/live-remix-machine-with-human-beatbox.html Incidentally, are there any good VJ mailing lists or sites? I'd love to work with a video artist. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com Phone: 541.757.1933 Fax: 541.738.0604 Email: Kevin@TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 15:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB5E03BF0A; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,126,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="2085355804:sNHT423567566" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <5386735.1143213036805.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <5386735.1143213036805.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--448698605 Message-Id: <9893b6b7b6364c605e5d40b31da34c2b@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Vortex, fuzz, Ted Killian's caramel ring mod setting Re: Vortex in a rock band Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:39:02 -0800 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:38:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--448698605 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Heheheh, On Mar 24, 2006, at 7:10 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > Now if I can get the Vortex to make Ted Killian's molten caramel ring =20= > modulation, which was part of why I bought a Vortex in the first =20 > place, I can die happy ;-) I already told you how . . . I thought. Really I did. All I remember of =20= it off the top of my head. I told somebody on this list at least. If I could only get my Vortex to do what Andy butler gets HIS to do I =20= could die a happy man. tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-4--448698605 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Heheheh, On Mar 24, 2006, at 7:10 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: Now if I can get the Vortex to make Ted Killian's molten caramel ring modulation, which was part of why I bought a Vortex in the first place, I can die happy ;-) I already told you how . . . I thought. Really I did. All I remember of it off the top of my head. I told somebody on this list at least. If I could only get my Vortex to do what Andy butler gets HIS to do I could die a happy man. tEd =AE kiLLiAn 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-4--448698605-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 15:41:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A1313BF18; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:41:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZgtronbOUl0cLUtlbI5RdwaXm33UcbVL+8hRvehFRXG+9fVPqFuxc0qgrQ/8+Lt2; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <11572843.1143214914032.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:41:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT - JUST WHEN YOU THINK THAT NOBODY WILL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (OR CARE) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940fa6c2626594248835b2c3d205561bc94350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.41 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:41:54 +0000 (UTC) Message
"Blow against the empire"... I get the reference!
 
Nice going, Ted! Congratulations!
 
Yours in Free Speech Radio,
Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Sirota
Sent: Mar 24, 2006 7:04 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: OT - JUST WHEN YOU THINK THAT NOBODY WI= LL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (OR CARE)

Good work, Ted. Thanks for doing what you can to participate and imp= rove our faux-democracy.
 
Best wishes,
Warren Sirota
-----Original Message-----
From: tEd =AE = kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 23= , 2006 9:15 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subj= ect: OT - JUST WHEN YOU THINK THAT NOBODY WILL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (= OR CARE)

Well, this is sort of off topic. But, I was gr= atified to discover today something
that I find no less than absoultely= amazing.

A year ago (or maybe two) I responded to a call for writte= n comments from some
lobbying group (I think it was Common Cause or some= thing like it) that had
e-mailed me (and gazillions of others) regardin= g some upcoming meetings
that were going to be held in Washington D.C. = to review the issue of "localism"
(local programming control and broadc= ast content) as affected by the FCC's
continuing deregulation (and cont= inuing centralization) of the radio airwaves.

How often does someone= ask your opinion and you really feel like they really
mean it and belie= ve you have something to say? Not very often if you're like me.
Well, as= it turns out my comments were some of the few selected to be published in a paper that was eventually submitted before the FCC (whatever the heck=
THAT means). It may not mean much. I may accomplish exactly diddly squ= at.
But, I feel kinda proud that my simple little comments got forwarded= on to
somebody -- even if it winds up in somebody's trash can. I got he= ard. Somebody,
somewhere read it after all.

You can view the 28 p= age PDF here:

http://www.afm.org/public/press/localismreplycomments= FINAL.pdf

My little insignificant blurb is on page 9. I may be nuts,= but I'm kinda proud.

Striking a blow against the empire . .
tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not al= ways better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com= /flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com= /fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://= www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com= /web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetail= sView.aspx?ProductID=3D193
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profil= es.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042

Ted Killian's "Flux= Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicM= atch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Mus= ic4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Pure= tracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 15:46:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B65833BF15; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gq74mHsqbJItln5nsHiCBCRR8qq2FQmrESZVlVhnE8PGPUD9ld3F43jHQRvnLMaP; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <32145359.1143215187877.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:46:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex, fuzz, Ted Killian's caramel ring mod setting Re: Vortex in a rock band Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940730e61b8f8e81282a15a74cf6ed54490350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.41 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Actually, Ted, what you said was that too much time had already passed and = you were not sure how the sound was made, which is cool and understandable.= If you had actually given me the settings, I would have made a register ou= t of them and regaled/tortured audiences with the descending "wwwwwwrrrrrrm= mmmmmvrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmm" sound. (From the "Flux Aeterna" song with the faux = samishen loop.) Your Friend and Fan, Tim -----Original Message----- >From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn >Sent: Mar 24, 2006 10:39 AM >To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Vortex, fuzz, Ted Killian's caramel ring mod setting Re: Vort= ex in a rock band > >Heheheh, > >On Mar 24, 2006, at 7:10 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > >> Now if I can get the Vortex to make Ted Killian's molten caramel ring = =20 >> modulation, which was part of why I bought a Vortex in the first =20 >> place, I can die happy ;-) > >I already told you how . . . I thought. Really I did. All I remember of = =20 >it off the top of my head. I told somebody on this list at least. > >If I could only get my Vortex to do what Andy butler gets HIS to do I =20 >could die a happy man. > >tEd =AE kiLLiAn > >"Different is not always better, but better is always different" > >http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 >http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 >http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 >http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 >step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 > >Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, >BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, >AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, >RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, >and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 15:46:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B9453BF21; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001a01c64f5a$20030e80$6501a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> Subject: Re: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:46:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Good idea Warren. I say go for it. There is a long history of people projecting images on screens during music concerts, usually with some sort of synchronization of the image with the music. You idea of showing the software GUI is a novel one and not without its risks. My son John often performs his acoustic guitar music along with a laptop running Ableton Live, but he makes a point of orienting the laptop so the audience cannot see the screen. The audience's perception of him playing the guitar and occasionally working the midi keyboard, the foot controller and the mouse while the music unfolds creates feelings of wonder and mystery. Seeing the computer screen would detract from that effect and break the spell, he maintains. Instead, his (or maybe my) ambition is to augment his regular performance with an ordinary LCD projector, hooked up to his laptop, projecting the images his music makes through the standard iTunes player. iTunes has the best visualizer app I've yet seen, vastly superior to the one bundled with WMPlayer. I imagine the end result will be a modern version of what Bill Graham used to provide for rock bands at the old Avalon Ballroom in SF. Downright hypnotic. - CW www.johnwinters.biz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:09 AM Subject: RE: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) >I have a question I've been asking myself about this. I'm performing at the > Monkey next month, and it has a projection video screen. I've been > wondering > whether to duplicate my laptop display to the screen, showing the looping > software interface. I think it would be kind of cool - in a way, it's like > a > "form-follows-function", Bauhaus kind of thing to do. OTOH, maybe that's > just a distraction from the music, and I shouldn't overplay the > intellectual > aspects of what's going on onstage. After all, I'm not showing a display > designed to be a piece of art, it's more like watching the inner workings > of > watch. It will, though, have an obvious synchronization with sonic and > physical (footcontroller presses, etc) events. Opinions? > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 15:48:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A89863BF1F; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2be.759863d.31556ec4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:48:20 EST Subject: Re: Does someone know the answer to this?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2be.759863d.31556ec4_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <9yBKl.A.s7B.RTBJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:48:33 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2be.759863d.31556ec4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/23/06 10:45:37 AM, dsmall@uh.edu writes: > it would seem to be somewhat bland to the audience if all you were > playing was the rhythm back-up the first time through. > perhaps this could be made more interesting?.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_2be.759863d.31556ec4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/23/06 10:45:37 AM, dsmall@uh.edu writes:


it would seem to be s= omewhat bland to the audience if all you were
playing was the rhythm back-up the first time through.


perhaps this could be made more interesting?.....mic



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 --part1_2be.759863d.31556ec4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 15:49:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4D333BF27; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4424167F.7050708@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:55:43 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper flutist? References: <001701c64ef7$8510d7c0$0affff0a@hppav> <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> <7.0.0.16.0.20060324071321.01ad1928@TheNettles.com> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060324071321.01ad1928@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Tim Weisberg...flutist. > I never forgot the solo flute feature that Tim did with the > tape-based Echoplex. Spinning in an hypnotic dervish in synch with the > tape he layered line after line. The musical tapestry was amazing even > though I had heard this on his LPs. The act of creating such music > live was so engaging and reinforced the fact that this was not just > studio tape over-dubbing. (http://jamespaulsain.com/flutes.html) I've Googled Weisberg, but haven't come up with much at all...curious! Sounds like he was looping in the 70s. Any info appreciated! David ||: :|| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 15:51:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E8853BF24; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:51:14 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 62.3.215.194 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060324155111.493AD3353A5@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Being new to Loopers-deliht and looping, this stuf is really opening my eyes (and ears). Thanks everyone, fro a jaded, middle-aged heavy rock fan. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links Date: 24/03/06 14:13 A number of folks where this file is hosted for the time being. I have it on my website under the Looper's Delight Logo and descriptive text: http://www.krispenhartung.com/ (that way you can download it, if you want) ......hopefully we can get it linked on the LD site sometime, somewhere. Kris ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 15:57:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DEB03BF2E; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=nUjWSnXozAvLUPUHfQK1RftXWYPBzyEZoEEwRRMKNCUzKrCug+29f/Y+bR3IDT7f; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <13421988.1143215862167.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:57:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: teletubbies...not just for Ecstacy addicts! RE: video during shows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9400d4bf76094dc3dc7acd9d4ca8a8f7a8b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Teletubbies! It's like Monty Python for kidz! Video drugs for the parents! What's not to love?!? As a parent, I am damn glad that, for a few years, anyway, I had an excuse to watch the Teletubbies. The followup show, BooBah, is trippy, too, but the great video effect of their flight through the sky looks disturbingly like that tragic breakup of the space shuttle upon reentry. ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin >Sent: Mar 24, 2006 10:21 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: video during shows > >At 05:09 AM 3/24/2006, you wrote: >>I've been wondering >>whether to duplicate my laptop display to the screen, showing the looping >>software interface. > >"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain." Dorothy got all >distracted from the show when she did so. > >If you want to easily do synched video with your performance, perhaps >"sCrAmBlEd?HaCkZ!" will be released in time for you to put it on a >second laptop with all your favorite Teletubbies shows: >http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2006/03/live-remix-machine-with-human-beatbox.html > >Incidentally, are there any good VJ mailing lists or sites? I'd love >to work with a video artist. > >Cheers, >Kevin > >The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music >www.TheNettles.com >Phone: 541.757.1933 >Fax: 541.738.0604 >Email: Kevin@TheNettles.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 16:02:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CC783BF0B; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ee01c64f5c$5074b850$a0b3ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060324155111.493AD3353A5@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:02:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 511, in=261402, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:02:20 +0000 (UTC) That's excellent...and if we're lucky, we can get your eyes to pop out of their sockets and blow your mind! :) Keep the submissions coming, folks... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fluke" To: Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links > Being new to Loopers-deliht and looping, this stuf is really opening my > eyes > (and ears). Thanks everyone, fro a jaded, middle-aged heavy rock fan. > > Nik > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Playlist - Send your MP3 links > Date: 24/03/06 14:13 > > > A number of folks where this file is hosted for the time being. I have it > on > my website under the Looper's Delight Logo and descriptive text: > http://www.krispenhartung.com/ (that way you can download it, if you want) > > ......hopefully we can get it linked on the LD site sometime, somewhere. > > Kris > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 16:11:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3F323BF37; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:13:32 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) In-reply-to: <001a01c64f5a$20030e80$6501a8c0@charles2> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000e01c64f5d$e58884c0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1jWo0B.A.4HD.6oBJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:11:38 +0000 (UTC) I gotta agree, Charles, the iTunes visualizer is ridiculously good. Much prettier than my app, which is more designed to be obvious than artful (at present, anyway). I continue to solicit reactions.... Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Winters [mailto:chasw44@comcast.net] > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:47 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around > in the dark.....) > > > Good idea Warren. I say go for it. There is a long history > of people > projecting images on screens during music concerts, usually > with some sort > of synchronization of the image with the music. You idea of > showing the > software GUI is a novel one and not without its risks. My > son John often > performs his acoustic guitar music along with a laptop > running Ableton Live, > but he makes a point of orienting the laptop so the audience > cannot see the > screen. The audience's perception of him playing the guitar and > occasionally working the midi keyboard, the foot controller > and the mouse > while the music unfolds creates feelings of wonder and > mystery. Seeing the > computer screen would detract from that effect and break the > spell, he > maintains. > > Instead, his (or maybe my) ambition is to augment his regular > performance > with an ordinary LCD projector, hooked up to his laptop, > projecting the > images his music makes through the standard iTunes player. > iTunes has the > best visualizer app I've yet seen, vastly superior to the one > bundled with > WMPlayer. I imagine the end result will be a modern version > of what Bill > Graham used to provide for rock bands at the old Avalon > Ballroom in SF. > Downright hypnotic. - CW > www.johnwinters.biz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 16:13:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BE8A3BF41; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 207.215.251.146 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: pukunui Message-ID: <44241AA8.1090003@theokcorral.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:13:28 -0800 From: Wyatt User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video during shows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:13:35 +0000 (UTC) I have seen a few people do this sort of thing in shows and it is pretty cool. The best one I saw was a guy patching live in MaxMSP. Everything you saw, you heard. Of course that is not exactly going to be exciting for everyone. The only thing I would add though, is make sure you test it before you try it. Laptop video cards sometimes lack the power to be able to display 2 screens or even a mirror of one screen without some CPU hit. -A Charles Winters wrote: > Good idea Warren. I say go for it. There is a long history of people > projecting images on screens during music concerts, usually with some > sort of synchronization of the image with the music. You idea of > showing the software GUI is a novel one and not without its risks. My > son John often performs his acoustic guitar music along with a laptop > running Ableton Live, but he makes a point of orienting the laptop so > the audience cannot see the screen. The audience's perception of him > playing the guitar and occasionally working the midi keyboard, the foot > controller and the mouse while the music unfolds creates feelings of > wonder and mystery. Seeing the computer screen would detract from that > effect and break the spell, he maintains. > > Instead, his (or maybe my) ambition is to augment his regular > performance with an ordinary LCD projector, hooked up to his laptop, > projecting the images his music makes through the standard iTunes > player. iTunes has the best visualizer app I've yet seen, vastly > superior to the one bundled with WMPlayer. I imagine the end result > will be a modern version of what Bill Graham used to provide for rock > bands at the old Avalon Ballroom in SF. Downright hypnotic. - CW > www.johnwinters.biz > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:09 AM > Subject: RE: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the > dark.....) > > >> I have a question I've been asking myself about this. I'm performing >> at the >> Monkey next month, and it has a projection video screen. I've been >> wondering >> whether to duplicate my laptop display to the screen, showing the looping >> software interface. I think it would be kind of cool - in a way, it's >> like a >> "form-follows-function", Bauhaus kind of thing to do. OTOH, maybe that's >> just a distraction from the music, and I shouldn't overplay the >> intellectual >> aspects of what's going on onstage. After all, I'm not showing a display >> designed to be a piece of art, it's more like watching the inner >> workings of >> watch. It will, though, have an obvious synchronization with sonic and >> physical (footcontroller presses, etc) events. Opinions? >> >> Best wishes, >> Warren Sirota >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 16:22:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB6AC3BF32; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:24:44 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: video during shows In-reply-to: <44241AA8.1090003@theokcorral.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001901c64f5f$75f22a10$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Good point about the cpu hit. I'm going to need every cycle! Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Wyatt [mailto:gunfight@theokcorral.net] > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:13 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: video during shows > > > > > I have seen a few people do this sort of thing in shows and > it is pretty cool. The best one I saw was a guy patching live > in MaxMSP. Everything you saw, you heard. Of course that is > not exactly going to be exciting for everyone. > > The only thing I would add though, is make sure you test it > before you try it. Laptop video cards sometimes lack the > power to be able to display 2 screens or even a mirror of one > screen without some CPU hit. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 16:23:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 242D43BF20; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mmrksrg@aol.com Message-ID: <2d3.5874196.315576fe@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:23:26 EST Subject: Re: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1143217406" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5012 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <7dhyKC.A.FmD.C0BJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:23:31 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1143217406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Touble with that is you then have the Apple logo introducing it self now and then. Unless your sponsored by Apple. Win amp on windows is another good alternative. But it all starts to look like everyone else............ If visuals are synched with the music or not the images have to be interesting in the first place and having somebody at the other end being a VJ helps. Well the sounds in them selves have to be interesting as well. Personally I think it should be transparent so you don't notice the mechanics of the audio and video. -------------------------------1143217406 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 -------------------------------1143217406-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 16:29:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 791283BF3A; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44241E83.7010808@helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:29:55 -0500 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: x911 example References: <442395E5.3070004@sasktel.net> In-Reply-To: <442395E5.3070004@sasktel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9fe8LC.A.ExD.35BJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:29:43 +0000 (UTC) The X911 is featured heavily on a track from my fleamarket/trash band Overdrice Date Master. I used the glitching "feature" for good rather than evil by purposely playing some scratch/funk rhythm guitar chords. Since I did it fast it doesn't really have time to glitch but it doesn't track either, a very interesting effect :) You can hear the entire song in MP3 on the band page: http://helpwantedproductions.com/odm.htm Scroll down and click on the song "3 in 3". -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." NOW! New online shopping cart of great Indie Rock and Electronic music: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com/catalog.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 16:41:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3666E3BF3D; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Guitar Player - Looping Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:41:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060324110037.0280deb0@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Without Pictures? does that mean that no one gets to see your hunky photo in a muscle T??? Dammm.. Great article I'll say it again. Bill -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Guitar Player - Looping here's the article without pictures http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=5&storycode=13444 andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 17:21:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A8E53BF13; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003401c64f67$66f07be0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <001701c64ef7$8510d7c0$0affff0a@hppav> <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> <7.0.0.16.0.20060324071321.01ad1928@TheNettles.com> <4424167F.7050708@Hevanet.com> Subject: Re: Looper flutist? Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:21:22 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <8Uc_mC.A.UeF.vqCJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:21:52 +0000 (UTC) I can confirm this! I saw Tim Weisberg at Wake Forest Univ. in 1976 on a tour for "Twin Sons of Different Mothers", done with Dan Fogelberg. In the show Tim did a number of pieces using some sort of tape loop: the first I remember with the spinning and dancing, the second sounded so much like Bach it was incredible. Wonderful layering, and EXCELLENT timing on Tim's part with the looping. ----- Original Message ----- From: ".David.Auker." To: Sent: Friday, 24 March, 2006 15:55 PM Subject: Looper flutist? > Tim Weisberg...flutist. >> I never forgot the solo flute feature that Tim did with the tape-based >> Echoplex. Spinning in an hypnotic dervish in synch with the tape he >> layered line after line. The musical tapestry was amazing even though I >> had heard this on his LPs. The act of creating such music live was so >> engaging and reinforced the fact that this was not just studio tape >> over-dubbing. > > (http://jamespaulsain.com/flutes.html) > > I've Googled Weisberg, but haven't come up with much at all...curious! > Sounds like he was looping in the 70s. Any info appreciated! > > David ||: :|| > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 18:19:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97BD43BF1C; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2e9e0a39d08a1f4e8a30ac8a.20060324101852.qnera@www.dslextreme.com> In-Reply-To: <11572843.1143214914032.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink .net> References: <11572843.1143214914032.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:18:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: OT - JUST WHEN YOU THINK THAT NOBODY WILL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (OR CARE) From: "Daren Burns" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: daren@darenburns.com User-Agent: DSL Extreme Webmail (www.dslextreme.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Yeah Ted, Very nice statement you made. It's easy to think that nothing you do matters when it comes to the goverment, and it may not, but at least you tried. The majority don't. -- Daren Burns bassist/composer/teacher/good guy http://www.darenburns.com http://www.darknumbers.com "I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones." - John Cage mungenast@earthlink.net > Message > > >
"Blow against the empire"... I get the reference!
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Nice going, Ted! Congratulations!
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Yours in Free Speech Radio,
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Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Sirota >
Sent: Mar 24, 2006 7:04 AM
To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: OT - JUST WHEN YOU > THINK THAT NOBODY WILL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (OR CARE) >

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size=2>Good work, Ted. Thanks for doing what you can to participate and > improve our faux-democracy.
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Best wishes,
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Warren Sirota
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----
From: tEd ® > kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, March > 23, 2006 9:15 PM
To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT - JUST WHEN YOU > THINK THAT NOBODY WILL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (OR > CARE)

Well, this is sort of off topic. But, I was > gratified to discover today something
that I find no less than > absoultely amazing.

A year ago (or maybe two) I responded to a call > for written comments from some
lobbying group (I think it was Common > Cause or something like it) that had
e-mailed me (and gazillions of > others) regarding some upcoming meetings
that were going to be held in > Washington D.C. to review the issue of "localism"
(local programming > control and broadcast content) as affected by the FCC's
continuing > deregulation (and continuing centralization) of the radio > airwaves.

How often does someone ask your opinion and you really > feel like they really
mean it and believe you have something to say? > Not very often if you're like me.
Well, as it turns out my comments > were some of the few selected to be published
in a paper that was > eventually submitted before the FCC (whatever the heck
THAT means). It > may not mean much. I may accomplish exactly diddly squat.
But, I feel > kinda proud that my simple little comments got forwarded on to
somebody > -- even if it winds up in somebody's trash can. I got heard. > Somebody,
somewhere read it after all.

You can view the 28 page > PDF here: >

http://www.afm.org/public/press/localismreplycommentsFINAL.pdf

My > little insignificant blurb is on page 9. I may be nuts, but I'm kinda > proud.

Striking a blow against the empire . .

tEd ® > kiLLiAn

"Different is not always > better, but better is always > different"

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http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
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Ted > Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, > Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, > Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony > Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, > blah, blah. So???
 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 18:32:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF66A3BEF5; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=accDKN2nIfpfJBrUlOdFq6HKs9JturMvqUsi/jngzmp2RZjTCewGHu9fzIlRnKQkND/z2qd9/hZMvSv8tedplG+ruOiuP0J7iQV0EI+SANn/xmlfHgWuumbRKKwq2J6DwgT+Jv422rySGRG7mb4c5z55u9119LF3J+5ewH9TyaQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <2d3.5874196.315576fe@aol.com> References: <2d3.5874196.315576fe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7759BA72-A213-441A-9679-681405347C3C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:32:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:32:27 +0000 (UTC) On 24 mar 2006, at 17.23, Mmrksrg@aol.com wrote: > Touble with that is you then have the Apple logo introducing it > self now and then. Unless your sponsored by Apple. Win amp on > windows is another good alternative. I think the visual plug-ins of Winamp is better than iTunes and a lot better then MS Media Player. I don't know if can be applied to a stream, as when you perform music. Another good visual applications for Windows was the mp3 player Sonique, now sadly discontinued. Some user plug-ins for Sonique were just amazing - you don't get that with iTunes, but almost with Winamp. Sonique could be set to react to an audio stream, so you could actually lead an audio signal from your live rig into a PC and project the dancing graphics. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 18:36:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4283B3BF2A; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7759BA72-A213-441A-9679-681405347C3C@gmail.com> References: <2d3.5874196.315576fe@aol.com> <7759BA72-A213-441A-9679-681405347C3C@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B3B81C5-C6D6-4515-B716-50E9AE2B9FA1@gguitars.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:36:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <4s6x0B.A.QZB.owDJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:36:25 +0000 (UTC) The Edirol software motion.tokyo looks cool. I was tempted to try to do a complete multi media show, but Im still learning the software I have now. Collaboration with a dedicated Video artist would be cool though. On Mar 24, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 24 mar 2006, at 17.23, Mmrksrg@aol.com wrote: > >> Touble with that is you then have the Apple logo introducing it >> self now and then. Unless your sponsored by Apple. Win amp on >> windows is another good alternative. > > > I think the visual plug-ins of Winamp is better than iTunes and a > lot better then MS Media Player. I don't know if can be applied to > a stream, as when you perform music. Another good visual > applications for Windows was the mp3 player Sonique, now sadly > discontinued. Some user plug-ins for Sonique were just amazing - > you don't get that with iTunes, but almost with Winamp. Sonique > could be set to react to an audio stream, so you could actually > lead an audio signal from your live rig into a PC and project the > dancing graphics. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=128679560&s=143456 > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 19:06:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E016C3BF0F; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1005c30404f17d69075b5b31a22763ff@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: video Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:06:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Anybody using any of "U&I" 's software? I've played around with "MetaSynth" but haven't tried "Videodelic" which may fit in with the current sound/ video thread. They're website's at << http://www.uisoftware.com/PAGES/index.html >>. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 19:09:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E48503BF22; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=riGN3dIhTQ/IIMGr3X99QNjNsAARbTF+C2bpP9gPIwF5OphcnUb5+y3gXaIk97fGV+Uzwlwp0hH+Yspy0A2u2Cycam7WMst+2+frO9MaP7tKjwOAkyUDeYRIpYgoBOajVOtIOGMdMW6PWbGtd4Q2zuQDVrwiWnK2aOsaqcTaQvk= In-Reply-To: <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1EFDD947-06B5-45ED-A925-6BD66F59D174@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Wireless Video Cam? Is such gear available? Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:09:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Can someone recommend suitable equipment for wireless video shooting? The idea is to have a percussionist wearing a helmet with a camera. This guy will play with brushes on a canvas that is prepared with contact microphones and amplified through the PA. He will also use colors and "paint" while "playing". A big screen will project his canvas over the stage. This guy will also (hopefully) through himself into improvised adventures among the audience and whatever he turns at will be filmed and projected to the big screen. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 19:21:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37D743BF12; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <442446BE.9060606@likins.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:21:34 -0500 From: Adrian Likins User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.4.1 (X11/20050929) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: x911 example References: <442395E5.3070004@sasktel.net> <44241E83.7010808@helpwantedproductions.com> In-Reply-To: <44241E83.7010808@helpwantedproductions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0_zXcB.A.9pC.BbEJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:21:38 +0000 (UTC) legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > "Dynamic Microcode Conjuring Apparatus" has some stick->x911 work in it starting about 0:45 into the track. http://www.phasmatodea.net/audio/02_Dynamic_Microcode_Conjuring_Apparatus.mp3 Don't remember if theres any other processing going on there, but it doesn't sound like it. Adrian Likins http://www.phasmatodea.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 20:03:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2AD43BEE2; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NW6rW2kDjiW3E1q3IKEKgPAgen++Oe6LUOu+5JkXqSD+pmycshb2O1t2tHFpKwE/O494FW4M+UrbJygsZ1usul0k8K2R0rQ6uVwlKgpAcE+/dyA/wKKqguVTk3WZKJ7Z+NsH5uIEhSCJ9zgE03CbOTyakxa21FEpi07PwGRPe48= Message-ID: <64b81a780603241203n18d528efhaaeee4adfc2e7fa8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:03:46 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: "Loopers' Delight" Subject: Re: OT - JUST WHEN YOU THINK THAT NOBODY WILL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (OR CARE) In-Reply-To: <2e9e0a39d08a1f4e8a30ac8a.20060324101852.qnera@www.dslextreme.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <11572843.1143214914032.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <2e9e0a39d08a1f4e8a30ac8a.20060324101852.qnera@www.dslextreme.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3qRXd.A.diE.lCFJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, good point Daren. Every now and then I fire off an email to my representatives and senators. Occassionally I'll receive a canned form-letter response, but more often no response at all. Still, whether anyone's listening or not, it's our responsibility to speak up on issues and I never feel as if my time was wasted. Kudos to Ted for taking the opportunity to make his voice heard. Todd On 3/24/06, Daren Burns wrote: > Yeah Ted, > > Very nice statement you made. It's easy to think that nothing you do > matters when it comes to the goverment, and it may not, but at least you > tried. The majority don't. > > > -- > Daren Burns From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 20:15:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0889A3BF00; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <314.fe26f4.3155ad46@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:15:02 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20video=20during=20shows=20--=A0=20(was:=20Re?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?:=20stumbling=20around=20in=20the=20dark.....)?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_314.fe26f4.3155ad46_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <-FdoVB.A.BCF.KNFJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:15:06 +0000 (UTC) --part1_314.fe26f4.3155ad46_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/24/06 10:46:51 AM, chasw44@comcast.net writes: > iTunes has the > best visualizer app I've yet seen > when i had a pc i got some very nice "screensavers" from www.seraline.com with my mac i cannot find anything as nice as the seraline toys......the itunes visuals are fun but too limited imho.....any good mac stuff out there? i've googled but there was nothing very interesting.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_314.fe26f4.3155ad46_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/24/06 10:46:51 AM, chasw44@comcast.net writes:


iTunes has the
best visualizer app I've yet seen


when i had a pc i got some very nice "screensavers" from www.seraline.com=   with my mac i cannot find anything as nice as the seraline toys.....= .the itunes visuals are fun but too limited imho.....any good mac stuff out=20= there? i've googled but there was nothing very interesting.....mic



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 --part1_314.fe26f4.3155ad46_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 20:52:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BE4D3BEE8; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060324155242.glukf22z7clyckws@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:52:42 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wireless Video Cam? Is such gear available? References: <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> <1EFDD947-06B5-45ED-A925-6BD66F59D174@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1EFDD947-06B5-45ED-A925-6BD66F59D174@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Per, While not doing the contact brush mic thing, my friend Gilli Moon (info@warriorgirlmusic.com and www.gilli.net) has done painting on clear panels on stage while performing. She might have some additional ideas. There are wireless cameras out their that aren't that expensive. I don't remember any specific companies but a quick search on the web should turn stuff up. Tell her I sent ya! ~peace~ Michael Plishka www.michaelplishka.com Quoting Per Boysen : > Hi, > > Can someone recommend suitable equipment for wireless video shooting? > > The idea is to have a percussionist wearing a helmet with a camera. > This guy will play with brushes on a canvas that is prepared with > contact microphones and amplified through the PA. He will also use > colors and "paint" while "playing". A big screen will project his > canvas over the stage. This guy will also (hopefully) through himself > into improvised adventures among the audience and whatever he turns > at will be filmed and projected to the big screen. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=128679560&s=143456 > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 20:59:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD0933BEF6; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060324155930.3hrolho6l6j68808@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:59:30 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: kinda sorta OT but not really:Fund raising charges MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Hey folks! Just got asked to do a primarily looping based fundraiser for a couple of hours. I haven't done a gig like this in a while and the guy booking for the event (who used to be our manager) was asking how much I charge. My question to you folks that have done this type of thing at art museums, etc., is what do you see as people expecting to pay for this type of entertainment? I realize it's based upon the size of the organization and the fame of the performer but wondering if you have any guidelines. Thanks! Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 21:03:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDAD63BEF6; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <20060324155242.glukf22z7clyckws@www.michaelplishka.com> References: <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> <1EFDD947-06B5-45ED-A925-6BD66F59D174@gmail.com> <20060324155242.glukf22z7clyckws@www.michaelplishka.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12--429264814 Message-Id: From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Wireless Video Cam? Is such gear available? Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:02:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <4tESk.A.-kH.E6FJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:03:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12--429264814 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:52 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > There are wireless cameras out their that aren't that expensive. a good friend of mine - choreographer/performance artist charles dennis - uses small minidv cameras with wireless transmitters to great effect. the small transmitters are not terribly expensive (a couple of hundred bucks i believe, i could get more detailed specs if anyone needs them) and they work nicely as long as the distance isn't too great (a hundred feet or so.) greater distance means more expensive transmitter/receiver gear. there are also some issues with multiple cameras, and again, this translates into more cost for a unit with selectable frequencies. i believe he got the gear from a place that sells security cameras and such. email me off-list if you need more info cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-12--429264814 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Mar 24, 2006, = at 3:52 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com = wrote:

There are = wireless cameras out their that aren't that expensive.=A0

=

a = good friend of mine - choreographer/performance artist charles dennis = -
uses small minidv cameras with wireless transmitters to great = effect. the
small transmitters are not terribly expensive (a = couple of hundred bucks
i believe, i could get more detailed = specs if anyone needs them) and they
work nicely as long as = the distance isn't too great (a hundred feet or so.)
greater = distance means more expensive transmitter/receiver gear. = there
are also some issues with multiple cameras, and again, = this translates
into more cost for a unit with selectable = frequencies. i believe he got the
gear from a place that sells = security cameras and such.
email me off-list if you need more = info
cheers
bruce

bruce tovsky

www.skeletonhome.com


=

"Reality is that which, when = you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."

Philip K. Dick

=

= --Apple-Mail-12--429264814-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 21:12:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66AB73BEE6; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=M8QZZfSvoE0GOpFeTc0EBu65EBOGyJMa/oXgT0JwoZ1eulJEf/FM+CsDZmnL+Bc82U2wGTHNJ42V64/SgGZlpAuF3yJh7/5ayoR/DXDY3j76mkyfZqVjv1qNDrlWBXBwt24pfP+PN4MOyzJ5FrzH6ZwWDl+l4S5jQMsqM64gmdM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> <1EFDD947-06B5-45ED-A925-6BD66F59D174@gmail.com> <20060324155242.glukf22z7clyckws@www.michaelplishka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Wireless Video Cam? Is such gear available? Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:12:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Thank you very much, Michel Plishka and Bruce Tovsky, for steering me into the right direction. It's true that there are a lot of gear available. But you have to look into "home security spy" gadgets! Wow!!! I just did an internet search on "wireless video cam" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 22:54:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 059063BEE7; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Tm5eJxrJQxgPHf0+SuXdKIr7IJgRKMElYFdqUh+BSErYrD9GoSLdED/agpuRX63g3OgQg99L9Ut+eFzS/0e6UnlQ+w6TB326sswFuBQ69nV5iOsZU4yvXuVB+qgZswX9YOIzlbtxzHjxGhrfZobxSApxF88eLsfunUOZD1uY3N4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:54:29 -0800 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video In-Reply-To: <1005c30404f17d69075b5b31a22763ff@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9264_12160308.1143240869970" References: <1005c30404f17d69075b5b31a22763ff@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6kNyUD.A.RcE.niHJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:54:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9264_12160308.1143240869970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sickest products out IMHO. I've been processing some live looping through Metasynth. Check out www.metasynthzone.com (there's an MP3 player that has sound samples) and my site *http://tinyurl.com/jejb5 *for MS-centric music and images using U&I Artmatic and AM Voyager. Videodelic unfortunately is OS9 only. Not sure if they're porting that to OSX. Neil On 3/24/06, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > > Anybody using any of "U&I" 's software? I've played around with > "MetaSynth" but haven't tried "Videodelic" which may fit in with the > current sound/ video thread. They're website's at << > http://www.uisoftware.com/PAGES/index.html >>. > > > ------=_Part_9264_12160308.1143240869970 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sickest products out IMHO. I've been processing some live looping through M= etasynth. Check out www.metasynthz= one.com (there's an MP3 player that has sound samples)  and my sit= e http://tinyurl.com/jejb5 for M= S-centric music  and images using U&I Artmatic and AM Voyager.
=
Videodelic unfortunately is OS9 only. Not sure if they're porting that = to OSX.

Neil




------=_Part_9264_12160308.1143240869970-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 23:52:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44FE53BEF5; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:52:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ca01c64f9d$ed9c48a0$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: reaktor VST plugins Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:51:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 512, in=262023, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:52:00 +0000 (UTC) I'm a Reaktor newbie, so bare with me here. With the Reaktor VST plugins, I see two sorts of the same plugin. One plugin as FX at the end of its title. What does this mean? What is the meanin of the two plugins of the same component of Reaktor? Thanks Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 23:55:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBDC13BEFA; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:55:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:55:04 -0400 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Re: reaktor VST plugins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <442486D8.9080104@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <00ca01c64f9d$ed9c48a0$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 Resent-Message-ID: <97Hcz.A.wyG.jbIJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:55:15 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm a Reaktor newbie, so bare with me here. With the Reaktor VST > plugins, I see two sorts of the same plugin. One plugin as FX at the > end of its title. What does this mean? What is the meanin of the two > plugins of the same component of Reaktor? Thanks > > Kris > > > Hi, Kris. You can use Reaktor VST FX as a FX plugin in apps that accept VSTs such as Sony Sound Forge, Adobe Audition, etc. The non-FX version can be thought of as a VSTi that can be used in apps like Ableton Live and others that can use VSTi. Hope this helps. Take care and have a good weekend. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 24 23:55:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09FC43BEF0; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <442486F6.70707@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:55:34 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reaktor VST plugins References: <00ca01c64f9d$ed9c48a0$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00ca01c64f9d$ed9c48a0$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Kris, one is a vsti and the other a regular vst. Basically the distinction between instruments and non-instruments has to do with the midi implementation. the vsti handles midi inputs really easily (because it loads on instrument/"midi" tracks in software like Ableton Live) but audio inputs need to be routed in using other tracks. Same for the vst plugin, only vice versa: Audio in is hard-wired, but midi inputs need extra routing. andreas. Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm a Reaktor newbie, so bare with me here. With the Reaktor VST > plugins, I see two sorts of the same plugin. One plugin as FX at the > end of its title. What does this mean? What is the meanin of the two > plugins of the same component of Reaktor? Thanks > > Kris > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 25 00:15:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18A0B3BF04; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d901c64fa1$319dc530$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ca01c64f9d$ed9c48a0$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <442486D8.9080104@andrew-duke.com> Subject: Re: reaktor VST plugins Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:15:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 511, in=251914, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <_xJASC.A.xE.XuIJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:15:20 +0000 (UTC) cool. thanks, both of you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Duke" To: Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: Re: reaktor VST plugins > Kris Hartung wrote: > >> I'm a Reaktor newbie, so bare with me here. With the Reaktor VST plugins, >> I see two sorts of the same plugin. One plugin as FX at the end of its >> title. What does this mean? What is the meanin of the two plugins of the >> same component of Reaktor? Thanks >> >> Kris >> >> >> > Hi, Kris. > You can use Reaktor VST FX as a FX plugin in apps that accept VSTs such > as Sony Sound Forge, Adobe Audition, etc. The non-FX version can be > thought > of as a VSTi that can be used in apps like Ableton Live and others that > can use > VSTi. Hope this helps. Take care and have a good weekend. Andrew > > > -- > Andrew Duke > scoring/sound design/source > http://andrew-duke.com > http://myspace.com/andrewduke > Cognition Audioworks label > [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] > http://cognitionaudioworks.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 25 00:26:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32B523BF06; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44248FB2.3050907@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:32:50 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper flutist? References: <001701c64ef7$8510d7c0$0affff0a@hppav> <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> <7.0.0.16.0.20060324071321.01ad1928@TheNettles.com> <4424167F.7050708@Hevanet.com> <003401c64f67$66f07be0$0207a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <003401c64f67$66f07be0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Weisberg made albums under his own name, but the Fogelberg (two Bergs?) collaboration seems to have endured the most. Kim Flint, talking about EDP Delay Mode, says: >(...)We >set it this way at the request of a jazz flute player named *Tim Weisberg*. >He wanted to be able to improvise a solo freely with the delay output >muted >and feedback at 0, so the delay always held some amount of his solo >trailing behind him. Then when he happened to play something he thought >might be interesting to play a counterpart to, he could just unmute it and >have the previous phrase repeat while he played along. (...) > (http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200109/msg01134.html) Sounds like Weisberg made it to the EDP age--wonder what he's up to now...? David Stephen Goodman wrote: > I can confirm this! I saw Tim Weisberg at Wake Forest Univ. in 1976 > on a tour for "Twin Sons of Different Mothers", done with Dan > Fogelberg. In the show Tim did a number of pieces using some sort of > tape loop: the first I remember with the spinning and dancing, the > second sounded so much like Bach it was incredible. Wonderful > layering, and EXCELLENT timing on Tim's part with the looping. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 25 01:13:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F229A3BEF6; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_video_during_shows_--=A0_=28was:_Re:_stumbling_around_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?in_the_dark.....=29?= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:13:03 -0500 Message-ID: <007901c64fa9$447d0870$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007A_01C64F7F.5BA70070" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <314.fe26f4.3155ad46@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 thread-index: AcZPnwMnOZMzOePsQZyIThHNsrLiFwACYK1A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:13:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C64F7F.5BA70070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GForce is very cool. It=92s customizable. http://www.soundspectrum.com/g-force/ =20 Tony =20 _____ =20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]=20 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video during shows -- (was: Re: stumbling around in the dark.....) =20 In a message dated 3/24/06 10:46:51 AM, chasw44@comcast.net writes: iTunes has the best visualizer app I've yet seen when i had a pc i got some very nice "screensavers" from = www.seraline.com with my mac i cannot find anything as nice as the seraline toys......the itunes visuals are fun but too limited imho.....any good mac stuff out there? i've googled but there was nothing very interesting.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C64F7F.5BA70070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

GForce is very cool.  = It’s customizable.  http://www.soundspectrum.c= om/g-force/

 

Tony

 

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In a message dated 3/24/06 10:46:51 AM, chasw44@comcast.net writes:



iTunes has = the
best visualizer app I've yet seen



when i had a pc i got some very nice "screensavers" from www.seraline.com  with my mac i cannot find anything as nice as the seraline toys......the itunes visuals are fun but too limited = imho.....any good mac stuff out there? i've googled but there was nothing very interesting.....mic



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http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11

------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C64F7F.5BA70070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 25 02:10:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6489B3BF08; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:04:37 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlists #468 and #469 for March 16 & 23, 2006 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Message-id: <4424A535.7010205@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:10:23 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060316.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060323.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon Count Community College. Show #468 March 16, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on E-dition electronic music magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight was the CD that came with issue #7. The Vinyl Starter was "Audentity" by Klaus Schulze on IC Records and released in 1983. E-dition - PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Klaus Schulze Cellistica * Audentity (IC) Frank Van Bogaert Human One Out Of Five (Groove) Frank Klare Theta Moods Moods (Groove) VA [Brian Eno and Like Organza Compounds + Elements (All Saints) Jah Wobble] VA [Paul Ellis and Where Are You? Analogy Volume 1 (Groove) Steve Roach] VA [4M33S] Elegy Analogy Volume 1 (Groove) VA [Gert Emmens] The Morning After Analogy Volume 1 (Groove) Cluster Balm Red Vinyl Instamatic (Blue Water) Douglas Ovens Sitting Meditation CDR 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Darshan Ambient The Cool River Rekarma (Lotuspike) VA [Edgar Froese] Daliesquador E-dition #7 (Groove) VA [Hemisphere] (excerpt from) Night of E-dition #7 (Groove) the Living Machine VA [Rudy Adrian] Midnight Fantasy Angel E-dition #7 (Groove) VA [Parallel Worlds] Detailed Matter E-dition #7 (Groove) VA [Ian Tescee] Zero Gravity E-dition #7 (Groove) VA [Maxxess] Red Earth E-dition #7 (Groove) VA [John Lakveet] Leibniz and Contingency E-dition #7 (Groove) VA [Edgar Froese] Golgatha and the Circle E-dition #7 (Groove) Closes VA [Maitreya] E-Live 2004 E-dition #7 (Groove) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist ===== Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon Count Community College. Show #469 March 23, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on E-dition electronic music magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight was the CD that came with issue #8. The Vinyl Starter was "Audentity" by Klaus Schulze on IC Records and released in 1983. E-dition - PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Klaus Schulze Opheylissem Audentity (IC) John Eaton track #5 CDR M. Bentley Time (fabricated) This World (The Foundry) M. Bentley Time (retrograde) This World (The Foundry) Streamline Guidance Is Internal The Earth Ambient (Blue Water) Juergen Haible A Gracious Plenty The Secret Life of Trees (none) Saul Stokes Bursts and Blooms Vast (The Foundry) Saul Stokes Spy Cinema Vast (The Foundry) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== VA [F. D. Project] Harmony In Space E-dition #8 (Groove) VA [Edgar Froese] Drunken Mozart In the E-dition #8 (Groove) Desert VA [Serge Devadder] Benthic Predators E-dition #8 (Groove) VA [ARC] Helicon E-dition #8 (Groove) VA [Can Atilla] Purple and Flexible E-dition #8 (Groove) VA [Mythos] The Power of Words E-dition #8 (Groove) VA [RMI] (Excerpt from) The E-dition #8 (Groove) Emissaries Suite 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on E-dition magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the CD that came with issue #9. The Vinyl Starter will be "Audentity" by Klaus Schulze on IC Records and released in 1983. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 25 02:46:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A05433BF05; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hOWeXsCNXsZ0qpp54CvmFAgNhGQyJ9HlpAjPUD2DveU4gaNcXFrX3huVu4MsLT0sN9CsCaVB6zi2s+0+HtvC6liea6YuZAN9ulndTct9AoDmJpxpUIcHWNUDAcfhkOqwOEv/6a9wK3yW+RB6ATDxNJRm3EMwCE2GxRy8Z+a4rKs= ; Message-ID: <20060325024635.62200.qmail@web34211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:46:35 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re : video during shows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060324153817.4DB8B3BF0D@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:46:37 +0000 (UTC) I once saw a performance by Mannheim Steamroller. He had the MIDI score rolling by on the screen as his sequencers were pumping out the canned-sounding music. While I found it interesting to watch in an intellectual sort of way, it totally took away from the music being played. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 25 07:12:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F4033BF0A; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zoP3sN+MG7lhzceilK+hq45YZKxvHFC5jBMTdRnII5Ii7FsncpArA6sJJuvKk5M8A8PCkG1O4wmw7tDWhwFiXlF9stDBVovCcGO+3t77GRWdKgzDCZie16B0G7dMQUyVCofmpWGWMZPxY7ARuZpeEt5IfiIDSLaoMqVFGRINZpY= ; Message-ID: <20060325071246.45920.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:12:46 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44236984.9030309@adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-879959289-1143270766=:45650" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <571L3.A.ZFB.v1OJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:12:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-879959289-1143270766=:45650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is this Brian Good my teacher and assistant from Roberto Venn School of Luthiery? Wow I think I seen John Rauhouse? on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno with a new gal playing guitar too?? I just shot a new music video using the guitars I built and designed (electric) that will be submitted to MTV supposedly. How is that washtub bass holdin up??? Peace B With U P.S. Im setting up a Myspace thing too U there???? Brian Good wrote: mech wrote: > At 9:25 PM -0500 3/23/06, Brian Good wrote: > >> >> I was just helping a friend with a similar purchase, and we stumbled >> across a couple new interfaces from Alesis. Apparently only the >> smaller of the two is shipping right now. I know absolutely nothing >> about their sound, reliability, or anything else, but they do look >> like they offer a fair bit of functionality for the price. The >> smaller one looks like it only has two line-out channels, which makes >> it not so looper-friendly, but the larger one has 8. > > > It may be a non-issue (since these are Firewire, and a different basic > architecture) but I've got a two-channel audio interface built into my > Alesis Photon X25 USB MIDI controller. I've stopped even attempting to > use it. It has a tendency to randomly blast huge noise bursts after > some unspecified period. This is especially fun with headphones on > (like I need any extra help going deaf). It won't stop until you reboot > the computer. > > I didn't really care all that much (once my ears stopped ringing). > Frankly, I bought the darn thing primarily for its Axyz controller. > Anything additional is pretty much cake, so I just wrote off that > functionality. > > As I said, it might not apply to this series. However, I'm somewhat > leery of the Alesis audio interfaces now, at least in terms of quality > control. > > --m. Heh. That's why you probably don't want to buy version 1.0 of anything, or version 5.0 from some companies. Personally I've had bad luck with an early M-Audio Firewire 410, for example. It seems to know when it's being used in a live performance, because I've had it fail two out of the three times I've used it that way. To be fair, it was running under Windows, where it was more problematic than in my Mac setup, so maybe it was a Microsoft problem, rather than an M-Audio one. But there's nothing quite as much fun as downloading a replacement driver via Wifi during a dress rehearsal from a stage in the middle of the Arizona high desert. Brian --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --0-879959289-1143270766=:45650 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Is this Brian Good my teacher and assistant from Roberto Venn School of Luthiery?  Wow I think I seen John Rauhouse? on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno with a new gal playing guitar too??  I just shot a new music video using the guitars I built and designed (electric)  that will be submitted to MTV supposedly.  How is that washtub bass holdin up???  Peace B With U
P.S. Im setting up a Myspace thing too U there???? 

Brian Good <bsgood@adelphia.net> wrote:
mech wrote:
> At 9:25 PM -0500 3/23/06, Brian Good wrote:
>
>>
>> I was just helping a friend with a similar purchase, and we stumbled
>> across a couple new interfaces from Alesis. Apparently only the
>> smaller of the two is shipping right now. I know absolutely nothing
>> about their sound, reliability, or anything else, but they do look
>> like they offer a fair bit of functionality for the price. The
>> smaller one looks like it only has two line-out channels, which makes
>> it not so looper-friendly, but the larger one has 8.
>
>
> It may be a non-issue (since these are Firewire, and a different basic
> architecture) but I've got a two-channel audio interface built into my
> Alesis Photon X25 USB MIDI controller. I've stopped even attempting to
> use it. It has a tendency to randomly blast huge noise bursts after
> some unspecified period. This is especially fun with headphones on
> (like I need any extra help going deaf). It won't stop until you reboot
> the computer.
>
> I didn't really care all that much (once my ears stopped ringing).
> Frankly, I bought the darn thing primarily for its Axyz controller.
> Anything additional is pretty much cake, so I just wrote off that
> functionality.
>
> As I said, it might not apply to this series. However, I'm somewhat
> leery of the Alesis audio interfaces now, at least in terms of quality
> control.
>
> --m.

Heh. That's why you probably don't want to buy version 1.0 of anything,
or version 5.0 from some companies. Personally I've had bad luck with
an early M-Audio Firewire 410, for example. It seems to know when it's
being used in a live performance, because I've had it fail two out of
the three times I've used it that way. To be fair, it was running under
Windows, where it was more problematic than in my Mac setup, so maybe it
was a Microsoft problem, rather than an M-Audio one. But there's
nothing quite as much fun as downloading a replacement driver via Wifi
during a dress rehearsal from a stage in the middle of the Arizona high
desert.

Brian


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PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --0-879959289-1143270766=:45650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 25 08:06:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 611BB3BF07; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 8:06:29 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Re : video during shows X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.178.207 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060325080627.E037F33568F@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to bring up such an every-day name on such an esoteric mailing list. George Michael, on his first solo tour, had huge displays of numbers counting up throughout the show, on either side of the stage. It was actualy the timecode readout from the synchroniser that ran the tape machine (for backing vocals and other acoustic instruments) and the two MC-50 sequencers (for everything else). Yes he had a full band on stage, but they were hired to look good. And this was the late 80s. At least he sang live, unlike Jacko. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re : video during shows Date: 25/03/06 02:46 I once saw a performance by Mannheim Steamroller. He had the MIDI score rolling by on the screen as his sequencers were pumping out the canned-sounding music. While I found it interesting to watch in an intellectual sort of way, it totally took away from the music being played. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 25 10:46:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4DA53BF10; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CALKtJESBaYYWLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060325102941.02c42eb0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:44:40 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: Guitar Player - Looping In-Reply-To: <20060324235542.6829E3BF08@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060324235542.6829E3BF08@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Re: Guitar Player Looping article >Without Pictures? >does that mean that no one gets to see your hunky photo in a muscle T??? >Dammm.. Great article I'll say it again. >Bill no, they didn't like my photo, guess I must have forgot to grimace. The online version also misses out the "recommended listening" list of cds :-( Guess it won't hurt to make a scan of the whole thing available, now they've put it online. http://www.andybutler.com/gifs/gtrplr.zip andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 25 10:56:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49B603BF11; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CALKtJESBaYYWLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060325104522.02c425c0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:54:13 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: video during shows Winamp vis on live music In-Reply-To: <20060324235542.6829E3BF08@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060324235542.6829E3BF08@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:56:23 +0000 (UTC) > >I think the visual plug-ins of Winamp is better than iTunes and a lot >better then MS Media Player. I don't know if can be applied to a >stream, as when you perform music. hi Per, Yes, it's possible to do that with winamp. , just set the play location to "linein://" we did this in Mathon the year before you were there, with Bernhard's projector and Matthias' nephew Johnny hacking the visualisations. It does respond to the music, but a bit behind the beat. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 25 11:36:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 457893BF13; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44252B16.70305@dadaprod.org> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:35:50 +0100 From: sonic steph User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: brazil playlist References: <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: <001601c64f44$1e549d30$0202a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Remote: 81.185.107.148 () X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: fait|type 1&3|0.0|H 0.5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:36:58 +0000 (UTC) looping with guitar, voice, kalimba, glockenspeil. recorded live with a boomerang: http://www.dadaprod.org/metafiles/cdr/A Bas Travailler (live).pls cheers stéphane -- _____________________________________________________________________ plateforme de téléchargement libre, label autogéré, média indépendant ----------------------- http://www.dadaprod.org _____________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 25 13:27:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D95603BEF7; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44254537.4050900@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:27:19 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users References: <20060325071246.45920.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060325071246.45920.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Dan wrote: > Is this Brian Good my teacher and assistant from Roberto Venn School of > Luthiery? Wow I think I seen John Rauhouse? on The Tonight Show with > Jay Leno with a new gal playing guitar too?? I just shot a new music > video using the guitars I built and designed (electric) that will be > submitted to MTV supposedly. How is that washtub bass holdin up??? > Peace B With U > P.S. Im setting up a Myspace thing too U there???? > > */Brian Good /* wrote: > > mech wrote: > > At 9:25 PM -0500 3/23/06, Brian Good wrote: Sorry, there must be two of us with the same name. I'm a sax/EWI player; if you heard my guitar playing, you'd laugh hysterically. Or maybe call the police. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 25 18:36:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30BDB3BED8; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:36:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1bb.830170.3156e7b2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:36:34 EST Subject: this box sucks or i'm an idiot! 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 --part1_1bb.830170.3156e7b2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 25 19:32:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E4F43BED8; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: RE: Guitar Player - Looping Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:32:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060325102941.02c42eb0@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Andy wrote. "no, they didn't like my photo, guess I must have forgot to grimace. Yes that's right, you didn't Pout and Point,, which coincidently is the name of the new glam hair metal band I'm about to unleash on an unsuspecting world >:-( Bill (please note my new text icon for spiky haired rock star with an attitude!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 26 01:59:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC5523BED8; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JipOzsv8QeelgWZywRmfbuJmbMPmb8KigoK7g91k++szU9akXMktdT+nq730w+2C; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200630262236920@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: this box sucks or i'm an idiot! Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:02:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a733214572a25a2e4994359c0ebf4490350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.236 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:59:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII "but with a few well placed flicks of my fingers i can be as clean as peter, paul and mary" Then there is nothing to do but "take your place on the great mandala." ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 3/25/2006 1:36:42 PM Subject: this box sucks or i'm an idiot! you guessed it, i'm an idiot.....i've never used the"channel inserts" on my mackie 1202, i did not have the filter factory nor my warpfactory in any of my signal chains because i thought they sucked.....i have one of my guitar outs in channel 2 of the mixer and today i used the channel insert to send that signal to the ff and wf.....yippe!, i have found the madness i had been lusting for, this is all sent to the mofx for it's delay and then off to an ineko and then to the rang.....etc. etc.....what a lesson!.....i have pulled out all my manuals and am rereading all of them to see what else i have been missing all of these years.....i think about this stuff way toooo much....."well if i......?".....i am no longer clean but wallowing in sonic mud and loving it!.....but with a few well placed flicks of my fingers i can be as clean as peter, paul and mary.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
"but with a few well placed flicks of my fingers i can be as clean as peter, paul and mary"
 
Then there is nothing to do but "take your place on the great mandala."
 
~Tim
 
 
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Subject: this box sucks or i'm an idiot!

you guessed it, i'm an idiot.....i've never used the"channel inserts" on my mackie 1202, i did not have the filter factory nor my warpfactory in any of my signal chains because i thought they sucked.....i have one of my guitar outs in channel 2 of the mixer and today i used the channel insert to send that signal to the ff and wf.....yippe!, i have found the madness i had been lusting for, this is all sent to the mofx for it's delay and then off to an ineko and then to the rang.....etc. etc.....what a lesson!.....i have pulled out all my manuals and am rereading all of them to see what else i have been missing all of these years.....i think about this stuff way toooo much....."well if i......?".....i am no longer clean but wallowing in sonic mud and loving it!.....but with a few well placed flicks of my fingers i can be as clean as peter, paul and mary.....:)m



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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 26 09:41:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12F983BEE2; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000601c650b9$7a077a00$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "INFO at mark francombe" To: "loopers-Delight" Subject: Quick question about Vortex Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:41:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C650CA.3D2C3100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <-ew2VC.A._yG.WHmJEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:41:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C650CA.3D2C3100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am I right... after having Vortex for years, I try to dial up a DRY = patch (so that I can morph in and out of the wet one) and I discover = that Vortex is stereo in... but mono out!!! as in I am feeding its = stereo, but after creating a dry patch with mix hard to dry, my thru = sound is only coming out left!!! Surely it hasnt been like this all = these years? Have I got a dodgy cable? Or a new set of ears???/ m mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C650CA.3D2C3100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Am I right... after having Vortex for = years, I try=20 to dial up a DRY patch (so that I can morph in and out of the wet one) = and I=20 discover that Vortex is stereo in... but mono out!!! as in I am feeding = its=20 stereo, but after creating a dry patch with mix hard to dry, my thru = sound is=20 only coming out left!!! Surely it hasnt been like this all these years? = Have I=20 got a dodgy cable? Or a new set of ears???/
 
m
 
 
mark francombe
marks website is at = www.markfrancombe.com he = writes for www.furthernoise.org and works = at www.transformlearning.com
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C650CA.3D2C3100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 26 14:55:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F2933BEE6; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6OhjyamE7We5qW+d+DwV9hsU6UCHRX8QywP1554fW8wdVdV9OMYqhSo7UYJx1o/82Upemn2EqH6HIrwTS/bPBtVzdQbloawW0WHegKb17K0uXWRFSOrbDpo661lcijnn2f7jJLa5/3Y9CJbjwPZvbdpRbKHiTlJMaNk2Cfmskvw= ; Message-ID: <20060326145535.60703.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:55:35 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-600955415-1143384935=:55876" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:55:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-600955415-1143384935=:55876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I have just bought FCB1010 midi-pedalboard, the Repeater, and a TC 2290 delay. All this gear and midi are new to me. I hope to use the FCB to controll the Repeater and the TC. Does anyone have somthing written to help me getting started, or do I have to read all those big manuals ? I hope to use the FCB expression pedals to controll the feedback on the repeater and the TC. I have read that this is possible on the repeater. Is it possible to controll feedback (kind of Fripp) with expression-pedal also on the TC 2290 ? best regards Rune F --0-600955415-1143384935=:55876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I have just bought FCB1010 midi-pedalboard, the Repeater, and a TC 2290 delay. All this gear and midi are new to me. I hope to use the FCB to controll the Repeater and the TC.
 
Does anyone have somthing written to help me getting started, or do I have to read all those big manuals  ?
 
I hope to use the FCB expression pedals to controll the feedback on the repeater and the TC. I have read that this is possible on the repeater.
Is it possible to controll feedback (kind of Fripp) with expression-pedal also on the TC 2290 ?
 
best regards Rune F      
--0-600955415-1143384935=:55876-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 26 16:04:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37AAD3BEE2; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bXWERVTK4zubR//rIBpyBpAVqpDJ+IgWAXDVv9JhOKsY+hgcyegY1wmHuzyRPGknusCShtZidgpqnQWBl14QzT6B7E/u3HF4QFKS+qji2AXJdCzvnTt2vDk7io8EJkGyDItmUIlqK5NWXRq5TC0WKbA1ZhlNcS9frKG9YLJsRY8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <20060326145535.60703.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060326145535.60703.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <317F4238-4783-4733-902A-F45C736526FA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:03:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:04:01 +0000 (UTC) On 26 mar 2006, at 16.55, rune fagereng wrote: > I have just bought FCB1010 midi-pedalboard, the Repeater, and a TC > 2290 delay. All this gear and midi are new to me. I hope to use the > FCB to controll the Repeater and the TC. > > Does anyone have somthing written to help me getting started, or do > I have to read all those big manuals ? > > I hope to use the FCB expression pedals to controll the feedback on > the repeater and the TC. I have read that this is possible on the > repeater. Is it possible to controll feedback (kind of Fripp) with > expression-pedal also on the TC 2290 ? Don't know about the TC, but here's a quick strategy for the REpeater: 1, Make a list of the Repeater functions you want to use. 2. Check them up in the manual and write down the MIDI data they are to be controlled by. 3. Assign that MIDI data to be sent by the FCB pedals/buttons if choice. Look out for typos in the Repeater manual. There is one, or two particular MIDI PC's listed incorrectly. If something doesn't work just shift the value one step up or down (like if PC4 doesn't work, PC5 or PC3 might be the correct one). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 26 16:32:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3849B3BEF4; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:32:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4426C3AC.6020108@Hevanet.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 08:39:08 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater References: <20060326145535.60703.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <317F4238-4783-4733-902A-F45C736526FA@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <317F4238-4783-4733-902A-F45C736526FA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:32:54 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > > but here's a quick strategy for the REpeater: > (...) > > Look out for typos in the Repeater manual. There is one, or two > particular MIDI PC's listed incorrectly. If something doesn't work > just shift the value one step up or down (like if PC4 doesn't work, > PC5 or PC3 might be the correct one). On FCB 1010/Repeater, It seems to be "add one" to all PC numbers EXCEPT Record (listed as PC: 4, and it is!). Example: Play is listed as PC: 20, but it's actually PC: 21. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 26 17:49:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C07283BEE8; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001601c650fd$a03df200$0301a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: <20060326145535.60703.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:49:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Rune all the "Real" and fantastic loppers/musicians that you can interact with on this Looper-delight web site have read all their manuals from bottom to top and back, they know every midi trick from heart, dream of vcf curves, sysex checksum, and drop down menus every night. so do you want to join the "A" looper VIP club ? or be the regular looping "fan" with factory presets ? there are no shortcuts to knowing your tools and it takes being patient, reading manuals, trying, being patient, reading manuals, trying again etc ... dont be lazy or go back to playing blues or whatever Claude From: rune fagereng Hi ! I have just bought FCB1010 midi-pedalboard, the Repeater, and a TC 2290 delay. All this gear and midi are new to me. I hope to use the FCB to controll the Repeater and the TC. Does anyone have somthing written to help me getting started, or do I have to read all those big manuals ? I hope to use the FCB expression pedals to controll the feedback on the repeater and the TC. I have read that this is possible on the repeater. Is it possible to controll feedback (kind of Fripp) with expression-pedal also on the TC 2290 ? best regards Rune F From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 26 18:01:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A0983BEE8; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IJQ8rG3djcH3LWfWw+hx4a2lrEqqRoSjazSpnW41Q7Dwym4CGhQhjSzsutFtlV8EU8JPP9bMqxM6p2UVxc0gOZEFr4teQsa1+6Z1oAwBOlm1ORhfxDTsiKFtJS0bfZqaSGS/dXIIGgZeHIEofFZd3spHhDRF1LX0LK90YJr6sfU= ; Message-ID: <20060326180126.35823.qmail@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:01:25 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001601c650fd$a03df200$0301a8c0@mlimli> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-400108844-1143396085=:31571" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:01:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-400108844-1143396085=:31571 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I guess your right, Claude. But I hope its ok to ask questions too ! best regards of Rune "the Blues-looper" claude voit skrev: Rune all the "Real" and fantastic loppers/musicians that you can interact with on this Looper-delight web site have read all their manuals from bottom to top and back, they know every midi trick from heart, dream of vcf curves, sysex checksum, and drop down menus every night. so do you want to join the "A" looper VIP club ? or be the regular looping "fan" with factory presets ? there are no shortcuts to knowing your tools and it takes being patient, reading manuals, trying, being patient, reading manuals, trying again etc ... dont be lazy or go back to playing blues or whatever Claude From: rune fagereng Hi ! I have just bought FCB1010 midi-pedalboard, the Repeater, and a TC 2290 delay. All this gear and midi are new to me. I hope to use the FCB to controll the Repeater and the TC. Does anyone have somthing written to help me getting started, or do I have to read all those big manuals ? I hope to use the FCB expression pedals to controll the feedback on the repeater and the TC. I have read that this is possible on the repeater. Is it possible to controll feedback (kind of Fripp) with expression-pedal also on the TC 2290 ? best regards Rune F --0-400108844-1143396085=:31571 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I guess your right, Claude. But I hope its ok to ask questions too !
 
best regards of Rune "the Blues-looper"
 
 

claude voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> skrev:
Rune

all the "Real" and fantastic loppers/musicians that you can interact with
on this Looper-delight web site have read all their manuals from bottom to
top and back, they know every midi trick from heart, dream of vcf curves,
sysex checksum, and drop down menus every night.

so do you want to join the "A" looper VIP club ?
or be the regular looping "fan" with factory presets ?

there are no shortcuts to knowing your tools and it takes being patient,
reading manuals, trying, being patient, reading manuals, trying again etc
...
dont be lazy or go back to playing blues or whatever

Claude











From: rune fagereng

Hi !

I have just bought FCB1010 midi-pedalboard, the Repeater, and a TC 2290
delay. All this gear and midi are new to me. I hope to use the FCB to
controll the Repeater and the TC.

Does anyone have somthing written to help me getting started, or do I have
to read all those big manuals ?

I hope to use the FCB expression pedals to controll the feedback on the
repeater and the TC. I have read that this is possible on the repeater.
Is it possible to controll feedback (kind of Fripp) with expression-pedal
also on the TC 2290 ?

best regards Rune F


--0-400108844-1143396085=:31571-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 26 20:56:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CFD33BEE2; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <67ab0ab87e8f818b4c7832c9be3a52e4@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: MOTU Ultralite Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:56:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:56:19 +0000 (UTC) A quick report: I desired a backup interface for the road, so I bought the MOTU=20 Ultralite. I love it, it sounds very good. Nice features, easy to use.=20= Seems to be very well constructed. (I will know that for sure after I=20 drop it for the first time.) Small and light. In fact, it has relegated=20= the m-audio 1814 to backup status. I've been running it for two days=20 now, and haven't had any problems. PLUS: since it has more analog audio=20= outs than the m-audio, I can route all my EV-5 pedals there, bypassing=20= midi for the pedals altogether. (Previously I used a drehbank to plug=20= the pedals in, it was cool, but heavy. I won't miss carrying that brick=20= around.) Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 26 21:42:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C54AD3BEE6; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "1000times" To: Subject: RE : Vedr. Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:42:32 +0200 Message-ID: <001401c6511e$3055b5b0$5e909d53@nom69pxtzsc526> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6512E.F3DE85B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20060326180126.35823.qmail@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:42:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6512E.F3DE85B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rune,=20 =20 I also hope it is still OK to ask questions on this list=20 (and many thanks to great people like Per Boysen, Rick Walker, Kim Flint and the many others who always took time and patience to give very helpful and friendly replies), because that's what I like this list for, the possibility of sharing with others; =20 if I can learn something the quick (and friendly) way that can save me hours=20 through manuals I'll appreciate and will no doubt go back to the manual later for a better understanding, but if I can get a tip that will save me days of reading, (and Kim did that for me when I was begining with the EDP),=20 I'll also be able to move faster and learn more; I don't believe that "if it was hard for me to learn it should be hard for you". =20 but of course, I am not an " 'A' class VIP loopist " (ha ha ha), I just enjoy making music and sharing it friendly with people, and (shame !!) I even play blues sometimes and ... enjoy it !!=20 but again, maybe I am on the wrong list ... =20 so I hope you enjoy your "toys" and making your music Rune,=20 and you'll share some with us :-)) =20 all the best =20 Francois =20 -----Message d'origine----- De : rune fagereng [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no]=20 Envoy=E9 : dimanche 26 mars 2006 20:01 =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet : Vedr. Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater Hi ! =20 I guess your right, Claude. But I hope its ok to ask questions too ! =20 best regards of Rune "the Blues-looper" =20 =20 claude voit skrev: Rune all the "Real" and fantastic loppers/musicians that you can interact with=20 on this Looper-delight web site have read all their manuals from bottom to=20 top and back, they know every midi trick from heart, dream of vcf curves,=20 sysex checksum, and drop down menus every night. so do you want to join the "A" looper VIP club ? or be the regular looping "fan" with factory presets ? there are no shortcuts to knowing your tools and it takes being patient, reading manuals, trying, being patient, reading manuals, trying again etc=20 ... dont be lazy or go back to playing blues or whatever Claude From: rune fagereng Hi ! I have just bought FCB1010 midi-pedalboard, the Repeater, and a TC 2290=20 delay. All this gear and midi are new to me. I hope to use the FCB to=20 controll the Repeater and the TC. Does anyone have somthing written to help me getting started, or do I have=20 to read all those big manuals ? I hope to use the FCB expression pedals to controll the feedback on the=20 repeater and the TC. I have read that this is possible on the repeater. Is it possible to controll feedback (kind of Fripp) with expression-pedal=20 also on the TC 2290 ? best regards Rune F=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6512E.F3DE85B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 Rune,
 
I also hope it is still OK to ask questions=20 on this list
(and=20 many thanks to great people like Per Boysen, Rick Walker, Kim = Flint=20
and=20 the many others who always took time and patience to=20 give
very=20 helpful and friendly replies),
because that's what I like this list for, the = possibility of=20 sharing with others;
 
if I=20 can learn something the quick (and friendly) way that = can save me=20 hours
through manuals I'll appreciate and will no doubt go back to = the manual=20 later
On 3/24/06, Paul Mimlitsch <pmimlitsch@mac.com> wrote:
Anybody using any of "U&I" 's software?  I've playe= d around with
"MetaSynth" but haven't tried "Videodelic&q= uot; which may fit in with the
current sound/ video thread.  T= hey're website's at <<
http://www.uisof= tware.com/PAGES/index.html >>.


save=20 me days of reading, (and Kim did that for me when I was=20 begining with the EDP), 
I'll=20 also be able to move faster and learn more;
I=20 don't believe that "if it was hard for me to learn it should be hard for = you".
 
but of=20 course, I am not an " 'A' class VIP loopist " (ha ha = ha),
I just=20 enjoy making music and sharing it friendly with = people,
for a=20 better understanding, but if I can get a tip that=20 will
and=20 (shame !!) I even play blues = sometimes and ...=20 enjoy it !!
but again, maybe I am on the wrong list=20 ...
 
so I=20 hope you enjoy your "toys" and making your music Rune, =
and=20 you'll share some with us :-))
 
all=20 the best
 
Francois
 
-----Message d'origine-----
De : rune fagereng = [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no]
Envoy=E9 : dimanche 26 = mars 2006=20 20:01
=C0 :=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Objet : Vedr. Re: = FCB=20 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater

Hi !
 
I guess your right, Claude. But I hope its ok to ask questions = too=20 !
 
best regards of Rune "the Blues-looper"
 
 

claude voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> skrev:
Rune

all=20 the "Real" and fantastic loppers/musicians that you can interact = with
on=20 this Looper-delight web site have read all their manuals from bottom = to=20
top and back, they know every midi trick from heart, dream of = vcf=20 curves,
sysex checksum, and drop down menus every = night.

so do=20 you want to join the "A" looper VIP club ?
or be the regular = looping=20 "fan" with factory presets ?

there are no shortcuts to = knowing your=20 tools and it takes being patient,
reading manuals, trying, being = patient, reading manuals, trying again etc
...
dont be lazy = or go=20 back to playing blues or=20 = whatever

Claude











Fro= m:=20 rune fagereng

Hi !

I have just bought FCB1010 = midi-pedalboard,=20 the Repeater, and a TC 2290
delay. All this gear and midi are = new to me.=20 I hope to use the FCB to
controll the Repeater and the = TC.

Does=20 anyone have somthing written to help me getting started, or do I = have
to=20 read all those big manuals ?

I hope to use the FCB expression = pedals=20 to controll the feedback on the
repeater and the TC. I have read = that=20 this is possible on the repeater.
Is it possible to controll = feedback=20 (kind of Fripp) with expression-pedal
also on the TC 2290 = ?

best=20 regards Rune F


------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6512E.F3DE85B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 26 23:55:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B34A53BEDE; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:55:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Filter-Looper Swapping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:55:46 +0000 (UTC) I've ordered an Electrix Filter Queen for my "cheap guitar synth". No MIDI control but it does have an expression pedal in. Thank you Andy for the idea of using a filter plus distortion and thanks to everybody else who sent me suggestions. That's what I really like about this list. The idea never would have occurred to me on my own. While I wait for the Electrix, I'm reviewing my signal chain and I've realized that I'll want to put the Filter Queen both pre and post looper and be able to switch between the two. In other words I'll want two signal paths that I can switch between with a single pedal-press: 1. Guitar-->Effects-->Filter-->EDP-->Amp 2. Guitar-->Effects-->EDP-->Filter-->Amp I've been looking at the inputs and outputs and drawing diagrams but I can't figure out how to switch the positions in the signal chain between the EDP and the FilterQueen with a single pedal press. I do have two inputs on the amp. Can anybody help me with my signal routing conundrum? As always, I'm careful with the pennies I earn from playing music so a cheap solution is preferred. Thanks for your help! Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 02:05:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CA623BEE6; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 02:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=b7cUwFw/X/NYuQzdxqCFyIjBpgLKffMZyHb9sM+5MNa6RxOrfTtV9ACgF+VMGdF6; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200631272931710@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: OT: Crime show tone! Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:09:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9401d8c82f3e054d9dfee0c78a3e7647d97350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 02:05:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII As I type this, I hear the telltale wicked slide tone of the "Law and Order: Criminal Intent" theme. Bowel-shaking designer distortion. I think this is the same guy who did the equally hellacious theme for the short-lived crime drana "Players." Anyone know who's the guitarist? Yours in Gear-Whoredom, Tim www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.mungenast.com Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

As I type this, I hear the telltale wicked slide tone of the "Law and Order: Criminal Intent" theme.
 
Bowel-shaking designer distortion. I think this is the same guy who did the equally hellacious theme for the short-lived crime drana "Players."
 
Anyone know who's the guitarist?
 
Yours in Gear-Whoredom,
Tim
www.mungenast.com
 
 
 
 
Timothy Mungenast
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
 

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 02:48:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ACD13BEF5; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 02:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: OT: Jamman for sale Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:48:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 02:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi Y'all, It has finally come time to part with my original Lexicon Jamman. I just haven't used it in a long long time. I have some sentimental attachment, but as they say, all things must pass. Its got a bit of rack rash, but its working well. It has the original manual, power supply, but the original footswitches were jettisoned years ago and replaced by four Roland FSU momentary switches, and a pair of TRS stereo cables. It has the full 32 seconds, and I have the Bob Selion chip and manual addendum, though I never got around to installing it. If anyone is interested in it before I offer it on Ebay, please contact me off list. I'm willing to throw in all four foot pedals + two good monster insert cables for a reasonable offer. This not the New digitech jamman this is the old rack mount jamman. Please contact me off list if interested. Thanks Bill billwalker@baymoon.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 04:48:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCEB93BEF6; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 04:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , , "The Ambient Way" Subject: the PiNG presents Vessel = Menno Krant + The Devil in the Design and dreamSTATE with Lynn Harrigan Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:49:28 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000001c65159$d4a992e0$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 04:48:23 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station) Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS Tuesday March 28th . Vessel = Menno Krant + The Devil in the Design and dreamSTATE with The Devil in the Design + Lynn Harrigan and General Chaos Visuals VESSEL; A collaborative performance with Phil Ogison {The Devil in The Design} and Menno Krant Vessel: This project represents the interface of two artistic disciplines, visual art and music. Modern Artist Menno Krant; painter and Phil Ogison; Ambient Guitarist and Electronics Improviser, combine their unique gifts in a series of five performances, which explore the definition of music as fine art and the body as vessel for sound and colour. The first of these performances will take place March 28.06 in Toronto. Menno Krant is a self-taught visionary artist whose unique painting techniques have given him international recognition and acclaim. Mr. Krant has been the subject of many documentaries and scholarly dissertations. Phil Ogison has been involved in the experimental visual and audio art scene since the mid 1960s. He continues to work in both areas with a current emphasis on performing ambient/experimental music with a variety of artists, notably members of the Worthy Records collective and THE AMBiENT PiNG Community in Toronto. Phil's music is available on the world wide web, through ping things and The Canadian Music Centre. http://tditd.tripod.com/vessel http://www.mennokrant.com http://www.myspace.com/ogison In the second set Phil will join dreamSTATE for a trip beginning with a live reading with poet Lynn Harrigan of the latest pieces from her work-in-progress "Oblique Poetries". Then we'll shift gears into some driving "Berlin school" sequencing. In the past, dreamSTATE has enjoyed injecting layered sequences, inspired by their early German influences like Tangerine Dream, into their sets - but have missed the wailing guitar that would often soar across the classic German works from the Seventies. With Phil on board on guitar, they're looking forward to taking things to another level! dreamSTATE has been assembling banks of virtual Moog Modular synths in their computers, patching up new sounds, loading up the sequencers and are looking forward to this flight with Phil. http://www.dreamstate.to http://www.lynnharrigan.com http://www.myspace.com/ogison General Chaos Visuals will be in the house to turn the entire stage into an evolving visual feast for this performance. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Before Sets CD . Rubycon by Tangerine Dream Hmmm, working with virtual modulars in prep for this week's show has gotten me in the mood for some old school analog modular madness. So to start the evening off this week, we jump into the wayback machine and revisit this classic TD release from 1975. http://www.tangerinedream.org Between Sets CD . Eye of the Nautilus by Numina Tonight we feature the second release by Numina on the Hypnos label, the follow-up to his acclaimed breakthrough Sanctuary of Dreams (2004). Eye of the Nautilus is similar to its predecessor tonally, but also explores some different themes and textures. Evocative electronic percussion is present at times, but overall the feel is one of deep-space ambience. Read more about it here in rik's *ping things* CD review below and hear it Tuesday @ the PiNG. http://www.numinamusic.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG April 4th . WHIPPOORWILL (Chris Gartner, & Great Bob Scott) and POLMO POLPO (Sandro Perri) WHIPPOORWILL is a new duo from the former Look People rhythm section of bassist/guitarist Chris Gartner, and drummer Great Bob Scott. This is an exciting and innovative group that creates a forest of sound and texture with just two people. Gartner plays composed guitar and bass loops live, switching instruments within the pieces to form the illusion of a number of players at once. Scott's infamous drumming is spiced with electronic triggering, and samples. Dense multitracked soundscapes composed by Gartner, and live video projections augment their live shows. The two members of WHIPPOORWILL have been part of a number of high profile acts over the years. They both toured Europe and North America as members of Canada's legendary "Look People", and appeared in recordings, magazines, television shows, rock videos, and Lollapalooza festivals with the group. http://www.myspace.com/chrisandgreatbob Also on the bill, Polmo Polpo is the solo project of Toronto composer, musician and producer Sandro Perri. Between 1999 and 2002, he released several full length and EP releases, beginning with his own label, Audi Sensa, and later moving on to various releases with Alien8, Intr-version, and Constellation. Perri operates in a strange netherworld between avant-dub and more post-rock influences and pointedly incorporates traditional instruments into his electronic experiments "as part of the fabric." Polmo Polpo creates a unique blend of dense and intoxicating layers of hisses and crackles, looped percussion, long-burn drones and submerged rhythms overlaid with instrumental sources (slide guitar, strings, accordion). "Polmo Polpo" loosely translates as "octopus lung" in Italian. Much of Perri's music is reminiscent of deepwater, photic zone atmospheres. http://www.alien8recordings.com/subsf05.php3 http://www.audisensa.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Numina . "Eye of the Nautilus" It's subtle and magical, playing right on the periphery of the senses. I sit very still while I'm listening to it, afraid that any movement or noise might mean that I miss some of it, something crucial. Something important. It requires focus. "Eye of the Nautilus" is the second release on the Hypnos label by Jesse Sola of Numina. My appreciation for Jesse's work, my adoration for his music, is pretty well documented by this point. But even given my feelings I was totally unprepared for the beauty of "Eye of the Nautilus". There's a womb like serenity to this music, something so natural, so warm, so inviting. Tracks drift and flow throughout the disc, slight melodies and distant sounds rising and falling on the edge of your hearing. Time seems to slow down while it plays, as if minutes and seconds have less meaning and are instead measured by the passing of notes and waves. It all comes together so fluidly, so naturally, so perfectly that it seems like this music has always existed, that this is the sound of the oceans, and the earth, and the moon, and the stars, and everything else. Primal, connected, organic. It's subtle and magical, playing right on the periphery of the senses. I sit very still while I'm listening to it, afraid that any movement or noise might mean that I miss some of it, something crucial. Something important. Something divine. Something wonderful. Something... perfect. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com "Eye of the Nautilus" by Numina is available now at ping things! http://www.pingthings.com/NUMINAnautilus.htm Read an exclusive interview with Jesse Sola of Numina at http://www.pingthings.com/NUMINAfeatureNF.htm Interested in hearing some tracks from "Eye of the Nautilus"? Tune into ping things radio every Sunday and Wednesday evening from 9pm to midnight EST at http://www.live365.com/stations/marastorment to hear music from Numina and other artists in the ping things catalogue! http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Thursday March 30th . Improvisors' Pool The improvisors' pool is a weekly gathering for musicians who practice collective free improvisation. It welcomes players of all levels and backgrounds. 7:00-9:00 . Ralph Thornton Centre . 765 Queen Street East * Thursday, March 30th . A.D/D. Events presents "24 Hour Party People: The Hacienda Tour" featuring Peter Hook (of New Order) and Mani (of The Stone Roses/Primal Scream) 10 PM . State Theatre, 69 Bathurst St, Toronto . $15 * Thursday March 30th . Open House: Dave Fish, drums Michael Herring, mbass Paul Newman, saxophone 8pm . Tranzac, 292 Brunswick at Bloor * Friday, March 31st . Leftover Daylight Series in association with Arraymusic and AIMT i- Quinsin Nachof w/ guests ii- Geordie Haley's everytime band (w/ paul donat, christine duncan, evan shaw, jean martin) iii- Gregg Brennan Trio (w/ avi granite, tom richards) 9pm . ARRAYMUSIC Studio 60 Atlantic Ave., Ste 218 . $10/6 * Friday, March 31st . H2-OS presents "Industrialization Of Relaxation" noise, industrial, soundscapes & breaks with live sets by Stendeck (Switzerland), S:Cage, L'ombre & Sincere Trade, and DJs Razorgrrl, State Of The Arc & Charnel_Lurker 10 PM . Waterfall Lounge, 326 Adelaide St. W. . $5 * Saturday, April 1st . alienInFlux, Sensor + Promise present "Hz (HERTZ)" two room party featuring live sets by Sleeparchive, Function, Kero & Vitaminsforyou and DJs Eric Downer, Lee Osborne, Noah Pred, Wes, Rollin Cash, Owen, Chocolate & Patrick Roots 10:30 PM . 99 Sudbury . $25 * Saturday, April 1st . Alchemy & LadyBerg present "(an unnamed party)" a collective night of art & music featuring live music by Les Six, October Guard, Lipstick Machine & Munik, house & EDM with The Audiolab Crew: Ondray, Alchemy, Dirty Mex & Richie K, installations by The Washboard Collective, and photography by Liz Cooper & Irina Lyubchenko 10pm - 4am . Salem's Loft, 136 Geary (Dovercourt/Dupont) . $5 * Saturday, April 1st . famefame presents "VIDEODROME 2" experimental scratch video art clash with Eclectic Method (London, UK), V-Atak (Paris, France), Madame Chao (NYC), Famefame, DJ Will Munro & Mc Pinky Beckles 9 PM . MOCCA, 952 Queen St. W. $5 * Sunday, April 2nd . improv workshop recital Eric Abboud, Farah Ally, Victor Bateman, Andrew Chan, Andrew McMullen, David Pontello, Paul-Julien Tanti, John Vainstein, and Nick Zubeck will play together spontaneously for an hour, and it will be great curious fun. 1pm . Arrayspace . 60 Atlantic Ave., Suite 219 * Sunday April 2nd . The NOW Series presented by AIMT and the NOW Lounge 4:00- geordie haley-guitar,dave clark-drums and evan shaw-saxophone 5:00- david sait- guzheng solos 6:00- live recording for "mk ultra" milton's favorite noise group NOW Lounge, 189 Church St. . $6 * Sunday, April 2nd . The Hidden Cameras two shows: 4 PM & 8 PM - all ages The Music Gallery . 197 John St. . $20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from around the world, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 06:02:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A62A3BEE7; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CGcmSsNo1mU4YU34nsTsVDzyI3Il3MsbKgU4FAYI0Vil3Uva6sAbUz4FMdDnHGOHXUpLSNg1VwmWCkomJv4f6Galg8JFvc3jc9IHc69/SSqo3mHoJOZtM5cVQLEUiWXRFRx+PvWGAov6+VURaRRkG/aOMTA90oetasZ8l1/FAvw= Message-ID: <64b81a780603262201n425191f1o5e409954cf0cd64d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 01:01:57 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick question about Vortex In-Reply-To: <000601c650b9$7a077a00$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14609_30521202.1143439317697" References: <000601c650b9$7a077a00$5a01a8c0@mark> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14609_30521202.1143439317697 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The Vortex's stereo behavior depends on the patch you're using. Some of th= e patches route in ways that'll sum the stereo field or include cross-overs. My guess is that you're turning the Mix down on a patch based on ShadowA? It seems to be the only patch that exhibits the behavior you described. I guess it's dumb luck you picked the one patch that behaves this way. I jus= t ran through most of the patches on my Vortex, turning the Mix down on each one and they all worked in true stereo except ShadowA. (To be honest the routing diagram in the Vortex manual for ShadowA has me scratching my head and none of the routing diagrams show how the Mix parameter figures in.) Anyway, try a different preset for the clean sound and you should be alright. Remember that a patch based on any preset can be stored in any of the user settings; e.g. a patch based on AtmosphereB can be stored in the user preset corresponding to ShadowA if you want to set up for a morph into ShadowB. Todd On 3/26/06, INFO at mark francombe wrote: > > Am I right... after having Vortex for years, I try to dial up a DRY patch > (so that I can morph in and out of the wet one) and I discover that Vorte= x > is stereo in... but mono out!!! as in I am feeding its stereo, but after > creating a dry patch with mix hard to dry, my thru sound is only coming o= ut > left!!! Surely it hasnt been like this all these years? Have I got a dodg= y > cable? Or a new set of ears???/ > > m > > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for > www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com > ------=_Part_14609_30521202.1143439317697 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The Vortex's stereo behavior depends on the patch you're using.  Some of the patches route in ways that'll sum the stereo field or include cross-overs.  My guess is that you're turning the Mix down on a patch based on ShadowA?  It seems to be the only patch that exhibits the behavior you described.  I guess it's dumb luck you picked the one patch that behaves this way.  I just ran through most of the patches on my Vortex, turning the Mix down on each one and they all worked in true stereo except ShadowA.  (To be honest the routing diagram in the Vortex manual for ShadowA has me scratching my head and none of the routing diagrams show how the Mix parameter figures in.)

Anyway, try a different preset for the clean sound and you should be alright.  Remember that a patch based on any preset can be stored in any of the user settings; e.g. a patch based on AtmosphereB can be stored in the user preset corresponding to ShadowA if you want to set up for a morph into ShadowB.

Todd


On 3/26/06, INFO at mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
Am I right... after having Vortex for = years, I try=20 to dial up a DRY patch (so that I can morph in and out of the wet one) and = I=20 discover that Vortex is stereo in... but mono out!!! as in I am feeding its= =20 stereo, but after creating a dry patch with mix hard to dry, my thru sound = is=20 only coming out left!!! Surely it hasnt been like this all these years? Hav= e I=20 got a dodgy cable? Or a new set of ears???/
 
m
 
 
mark francombe
marks website is at = www.markfrancombe.com he write= s for=20 www.furthernoise.org and works = at www.transformlearning.com

------=_Part_14609_30521202.1143439317697-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 07:57:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD4BE3BEE7; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GyuCPXoSsZFIpx5FXTAdB9+R40BYsLlfIAdnfEGmuq+uTbjE/T1GlLvIseWqaR48nY0wOkqD4I6ertuMyonE5M3/D1JubeuSBLzywM0fYPg3TPQN1cWdmJu2hRS4EuDUIeuq6dGOCoU906w7HA7GHP6G5cKssTDKJVetOVIPGOs= ; Message-ID: <20060327075726.65230.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:57:26 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. RE : Vedr. Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001401c6511e$3055b5b0$5e909d53@nom69pxtzsc526> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-368044652-1143446246=:65219" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:57:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-368044652-1143446246=:65219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Thanks for your most friendly answer ! Yes, there are those guys out there, that answers me everytime ! Thanks Boysen, Francois and Claude Best regards Rune F 1000times skrev: Hi Rune, I also hope it is still OK to ask questions on this list (and many thanks to great people like Per Boysen, Rick Walker, Kim Flint and the many others who always took time and patience to give very helpful and friendly replies), because that's what I like this list for, the possibility of sharing with others; if I can learn something the quick (and friendly) way that can save me hours through manuals I'll appreciate and will no doubt go back to the manual later for a better understanding, but if I can get a tip that will save me days of reading, (and Kim did that for me when I was begining with the EDP), I'll also be able to move faster and learn more; I don't believe that "if it was hard for me to learn it should be hard for you". but of course, I am not an " 'A' class VIP loopist " (ha ha ha), I just enjoy making music and sharing it friendly with people, and (shame !!) I even play blues sometimes and ... enjoy it !! but again, maybe I am on the wrong list ... so I hope you enjoy your "toys" and making your music Rune, and you'll share some with us :-)) all the best Francois -----Message d'origine----- De : rune fagereng [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no] Envoyé : dimanche 26 mars 2006 20:01 À : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet : Vedr. Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater Hi ! I guess your right, Claude. But I hope its ok to ask questions too ! best regards of Rune "the Blues-looper" claude voit skrev: Rune all the "Real" and fantastic loppers/musicians that you can interact with on this Looper-delight web site have read all their manuals from bottom to top and back, they know every midi trick from heart, dream of vcf curves, sysex checksum, and drop down menus every night. so do you want to join the "A" looper VIP club ? or be the regular looping "fan" with factory presets ? there are no shortcuts to knowing your tools and it takes being patient, reading manuals, trying, being patient, reading manuals, trying again etc ... dont be lazy or go back to playing blues or whatever Claude From: rune fagereng Hi ! I have just bought FCB1010 midi-pedalboard, the Repeater, and a TC 2290 delay. All this gear and midi are new to me. I hope to use the FCB to controll the Repeater and the TC. Does anyone have somthing written to help me getting started, or do I have to read all those big manuals ? I hope to use the FCB expression pedals to controll the feedback on the repeater and the TC. I have read that this is possible on the repeater. Is it possible to controll feedback (kind of Fripp) with expression-pedal also on the TC 2290 ? best regards Rune F --0-368044652-1143446246=:65219 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Thanks for your most friendly answer !
Yes, there are those guys out there, that answers me everytime !
 
Thanks Boysen, Francois and Claude
 
Best regards Rune F
 
 
1000times <frenchloops@free.fr> skrev:
Hi Rune,
 
I also hope it is still OK to ask questions on this list
(and many thanks to great people like Per Boysen, Rick Walker, Kim Flint
and the many others who always took time and patience to give
very helpful and friendly replies),
because that's what I like this list for, the possibility of sharing with others;
 
if I can learn something the quick (and friendly) way that can save me hours
through manuals I'll appreciate and will no doubt go back to the manual later
for a better understanding, but if I can get a tip that will
save me days of reading, (and Kim did that for me when I was begining with the EDP), 
I'll also be able to move faster and learn more;
I don't believe that "if it was hard for me to learn it should be hard for you".
 
but of course, I am not an " 'A' class VIP loopist " (ha ha ha),
I just enjoy making music and sharing it friendly with people,
and (shame !!) I even play blues sometimes and ... enjoy it !!
but again, maybe I am on the wrong list ...
 
so I hope you enjoy your "toys" and making your music Rune,
and you'll share some with us :-))
 
all the best
 
Francois
 
-----Message d'origine-----
De : rune fagereng [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no]
Envoyé : dimanche 26 mars 2006 20:01
À : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Objet : Vedr. Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater

Hi !
 
I guess your right, Claude. But I hope its ok to ask questions too !
 
best regards of Rune "the Blues-looper"
 
 

claude voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> skrev:
Rune

all the "Real" and fantastic loppers/musicians that you can interact with
on this Looper-delight web site have read all their manuals from bottom to
top and back, they know every midi trick from heart, dream of vcf curves,
sysex checksum, and drop down menus every night.

so do you want to join the "A" looper VIP club ?
or be the regular looping "fan" with factory presets ?

there are no shortcuts to knowing your tools and it takes being patient,
reading manuals, trying, being patient, reading manuals, trying again etc
...
dont be lazy or go back to playing blues or whatever

Claude











From: rune fagereng

Hi !

I have just bought FCB1010 midi-pedalboard, the Repeater, and a TC 2290
delay. All this gear and midi are new to me. I hope to use the FCB to
controll the Repeater and the TC.

Does anyone have somthing written to help me getting started, or do I have
to read all those big manuals ?

I hope to use the FCB expression pedals to controll the feedback on the
repeater and the TC. I have read that this is possible on the repeater.
Is it possible to controll feedback (kind of Fripp) with expression-pedal
also on the TC 2290 ?

best regards Rune F



--0-368044652-1143446246=:65219-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 11:04:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F064D3BF01; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CALJQJ0SBaYYWLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060327114958.02890790@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:01:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Quick question about Vortex In-Reply-To: <20060326214241.A912F3BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060326214241.A912F3BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:04:09 +0000 (UTC) At 22:42 26/03/06, you wrote: >Am I right... after having Vortex for years, I try to dial up a DRY >patch (so that I can morph in and out of the wet one) and I discover >that Vortex is stereo in... but mono out!!! as in I am feeding its >stereo, but after creating a dry patch with mix hard to dry, my thru >sound is only coming out left!!! Surely it hasnt been like this all >these years? Have I got a dodgy cable? Or a new set of ears???/ > >m the Vortex straight thru patch works here stereo>> stereo so the possible causes are:- 1) only one of your inputs is actually providing signal to the Vortex, and that the vortex processing usually hides this. 2) Make sure that the straight thru patch has mix =1 and output =64 3) You've found one of the Vortex bugs. These occur when certain presets are loaded into certain registers, usually if an A preset is loaded to a B register. Or 1-8 is loaded to 9-16. ...but I've not encountered particular result before. So that's not likely, but would be cured by choosing a different preset to start from. andy butler www.andybutler.com home of the Vortex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 11:45:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEA603BF0A; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:45:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAL1XJ0SBaYYXLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060327122351.0281f700@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:42:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Filter-Looper Swapping In-Reply-To: <20060327060210.D2C923BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060327060210.D2C923BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <86XqCC.A.qVF.AB9JEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:45:04 +0000 (UTC) Kevin says >In other words I'll want two signal paths that I can switch between >with a single pedal-press: > >1. Guitar-->Effects-->Filter-->EDP-->Amp > >2. Guitar-->Effects-->EDP-->Filter-->Amp that's a 3-pole double throw switch 3PDT or 4P2T a 4-pole is more common (I think) and that would do just as well 4PDT or 4P2T guitar to (EDP in or Filter in) EDP out to (Filt in or amp) Filt out to ( amp or EDP in) the switching won't sound so good while a loop is running ( and maybe cause a loud sound on switching, depending on the switch mechanics and the gain of the devices)) doesn't the Filter Queen have 2 channels which could be used seperately? >I've been looking at the inputs and outputs and drawing diagrams Claude will be very pleased :-) >but I can't figure out how to switch the positions in the signal >chain between the EDP and the FilterQueen with a single pedal >press. I do have two inputs on the amp. I ended up with all my FX pre loop. A common solution is to buy 2 effects, and put one pre loop, and one post. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 13:38:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC0813BF00; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:40:24 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: MOTU Ultralite In-reply-to: <67ab0ab87e8f818b4c7832c9be3a52e4@pfmentum.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01b201c651a4$0061be90$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Shoot, that Ultralite sure looks sweet. I'll start saving my pennies. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Kaiser [mailto:loopersdelight@pfmentum.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 3:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: MOTU Ultralite > > > A quick report: > > I desired a backup interface for the road, so I bought the MOTU > Ultralite. I love it, it sounds very good. Nice features, > easy to use. > Seems to be very well constructed. (I will know that for sure after I > drop it for the first time.) Small and light. In fact, it has > relegated > the m-audio 1814 to backup status. I've been running it for two days > now, and haven't had any problems. PLUS: since it has more > analog audio > outs than the m-audio, I can route all my EV-5 pedals there, > bypassing > midi for the pedals altogether. (Previously I used a > drehbank to plug > the pedals in, it was cool, but heavy. I won't miss carrying > that brick > around.) > > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com . AngryVegan.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 15:23:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A836C3BEE4; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=j8vhIeidLaN9YiYIMTgBo8isyAc9rDu0QP+eQe+4velZexuoWRLWKOuVLH9XuY4EdGSzlIWTNkv+UTdbsyPQA+FOko3p2OqglevJVrmXlKibEXlwr5o4I19PVR9tBOc4i2SyZcodL045xlKp9pdulm376EyXTMBGuE5VzznI08k= Message-ID: <913728d60603270723r42e8585bm7f87f679f3e92a24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:23:54 -0600 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Filter-Looper Swapping In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4722_14446718.1143473034808" References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:23:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4722_14446718.1143473034808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline If you know how to make effects (or know someone that can, there is the Juggler pedal that can be found at Geofex.com (scroll down a bit to "the Juggler" and that is a effect loop reverser, you could set it edp->filter, and then you can switch Filter->Edp and put that loop after your effect... I also think you can get a loooper to do that too (www.loooper.com) but right now Dave is sick and isn't taking orders...but thats another alternative Charlie On 3/26/06, Kevin wrote: > > I've ordered an Electrix Filter Queen for my "cheap guitar > synth". No MIDI control but it does have an expression pedal in. > > Thank you Andy for the idea of using a filter plus distortion and > thanks to everybody else who sent me suggestions. That's what I > really like about this list. The idea never would have occurred to me > on my own. > > While I wait for the Electrix, I'm reviewing my signal chain and I've > realized that I'll want to put the Filter Queen both pre and > post looper and be able to switch between the two. > > In other words I'll want two signal paths that I can switch between > with a single pedal-press: > > 1. Guitar-->Effects-->Filter-->EDP-->Amp > > 2. Guitar-->Effects-->EDP-->Filter-->Amp > > I've been looking at the inputs and outputs and drawing diagrams but > I can't figure out how to switch the positions in the signal chain > between the EDP and the FilterQueen with a single pedal press. I do > have two inputs on the amp. > > Can anybody help me with my signal routing conundrum? As always, I'm > careful with the pennies I earn from playing music so a cheap > solution is preferred. > > Thanks for your help! > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > ------=_Part_4722_14446718.1143473034808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
If you know how to make effects (or know someone that can, there is th= e Juggler pedal that can be found at Geofex.c= om (scroll down a bit to "the Juggler" and that is a effect l= oop reverser, you could set it edp->filter, and then you can switch Filt= er->Edp and put that loop after your effect...
I also think you can get a loooper to do that too (www.loooper.com) but right now Dave is sick and isn't t= aking orders...but thats another alternative
 
Charlie

 
On 3/26/06, = Kevin <kevin@thenettles.com<= /a>> wrote:
I've ordered an Electrix Filter = Queen for my "cheap guitar
synth".  No MIDI control = but it does have an expression pedal in.

Thank you Andy for the idea of using a filter plus distortion andthanks to everybody else who sent me suggestions.  That's what = I
really like about this list. The idea never would have occurred to me<= br>on my own.

While I wait for the Electrix, I'm reviewing my signal chain and I'= ve
realized that I'll want to put the Filter Queen both pre and
post&= nbsp; looper and be able to switch between the two.

In other wo= rds I'll want two signal paths that I can switch between
with a single pedal-press:

1. Guitar-->Effects-->Filter--&= gt;EDP-->Amp

2. Guitar-->Effects-->EDP-->Filter-->Amp=

I've been looking at the inputs and outputs and drawing diagrams bu= t
I can't figure out how to switch the positions in the signal chain
b= etween the EDP and the FilterQueen with a single pedal press.  I = do
have two inputs on the amp.

Can anybody help me with my signal= routing conundrum?  As always, I'm
careful with the pennies I earn from playing music so a cheap
soluti= on is preferred.

Thanks for your help!

Cheers,
Kevin
The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music
 www.TheNettles.com


------=_Part_4722_14446718.1143473034808-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 17:07:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09C603BF06; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <44281C4D.309@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:09:33 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MOTU Ultralite References: <67ab0ab87e8f818b4c7832c9be3a52e4@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: <67ab0ab87e8f818b4c7832c9be3a52e4@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff, I will receive an Ultralite to review in a week. I want to ask you a few things: are you allowed to control its internal faders via midi ? what do you mean for: "since it has more analog audio outs than the m-audio, I can route all my EV-5 pedals there, bypassing midi for the pedals altogether." ? thanks, luca Jeff Kaiser wrote: > A quick report: > > I desired a backup interface for the road, so I bought the MOTU > Ultralite. I love it, it sounds very good. Nice features, easy to use. > Seems to be very well constructed. (I will know that for sure after I > drop it for the first time.) Small and light. In fact, it has > relegated the m-audio 1814 to backup status. I've been running it for > two days now, and haven't had any problems. PLUS: since it has more > analog audio outs than the m-audio, I can route all my EV-5 pedals > there, bypassing midi for the pedals altogether. (Previously I used a > drehbank to plug the pedals in, it was cool, but heavy. I won't miss > carrying that brick around.) > > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 18:04:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38A2C3BF10; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0z/QNDRdP+cCk3iZD+QPhIWUC0p9wNBJVIaP+3G2sDWby6RZ4TTn+GAEbrASwD4rYBa/dL+xs1Zm1r5dB0Sxee2oiQLTIPpaAA72KVTDpY9iF59We5qOD9ZL4sNqBig9Au6xHn23B0UdSwJtQ5D5DIsikloLDQqAQ/fdXu5HGik= ; Message-ID: <20060327180449.76052.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:04:49 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT - JUST WHEN YOU THINK THAT NOBODY WILL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (OR CARE) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <59bb1557121c6926b331ab3229457470@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_tqOt.A.MeH.DlCKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Ready are you to face Vader! Beware fear and anger! These are what lead to the dark side! --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > My little insignificant blurb is on page 9. I may be > nuts, but I'm > kinda proud. > > Striking a blow against the empire . . > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 18:20:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B40C3BF16; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uQuFYYgP95QFd14ITabxj0lWFZtFc0P4/mvGRnzW72OuWpBSQ3yRueQ3iGRU4ZcseYVZ2osI+RtNy49jToBknFSVcAYcVhFr3IMujIYLDe0ooYFI41IznOiciP9nAXNP3vXOjmUiHju7TSCOQWtWjXR6uDRMshQi5tHOz1nnPo8= ; Message-ID: <20060327182019.82426.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:20:18 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Vortex in a rock band To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060324092224.02c697a0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:20:20 +0000 (UTC) That's great advice for any effects programming. I found I used to do all my tweaking alone just listening to my guitar. Now, I start there, but more often than not I program a "B" version of my sound that's designed to fit in a mix of other instruments. What sounds thin by its self can often be exactly what you want when mixed with drums bass and synths. --- a k butler wrote: > > >Speaking of rock gigs, have any of you ever used a > Vortex in a rock > >band, live? I find that many oif the patches that > sound great in the > >living room just disappear amid the bass and drums. > > hi Tim > > I didn't have a problem in a rehearsal studio type > situation, > but if you mean playing with a "professional" pa > then I'd > think about making easy uncomplicated sounds that a > "sound guy" > might be able to live with. > > Generally the fine details of a patch are always > going be somewhat > lost when you blend your guitar with other sounds. > An echo at low > volume will tend to disappear completely. > In any case, what sounds good on solo guitar isn't > always going to > work in a band context. > > the supplied vortex presets are probably worth > avoiding > > Try going for simpler echoes, > turn up the echo volume, and turn down the no. of > repeats. > Use simpler values for echo divide ( like putting > them both = 2) > > ...and plenty of Vortex extreme modulation brought > in with the pedal :-) > > andy butler > www.andybutler.com mp3 and home of the Vortex > Database > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 18:41:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41DFD3BF13; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAC26J0SBaYYYLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060327193158.02c82e30@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:38:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Quick question about Vortex In-Reply-To: <20060327182021.B788F3BF19@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060327182021.B788F3BF19@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Todd says >The Vortex's stereo behavior depends on the patch you're >using. Some of the patches route in ways that'll sum the stereo >field or include cross-overs. Yes, I checked out the Shadow A patch like Todd suggested, and the dry signal is monoed. Even when Bypass is used. very strange ...don't think that's Mark's problem though, because he's getting just left channel output. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 19:14:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 467E53BF1A; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tjJagmlzfqG9eq1IqxlIyZ7UlGMYXHDBU/YN2RN2xXiJ1Om0I1teYACHzHoaslKRvSlyNFPSa/EzcubpUCIpesJiGrBSEbMRFgHg9cUUB9PYpIW/IfzF6vz53EnKvEiqxYEJRxbWr4fZbMvXysuXywDHHAwwRVhW6kuCcQRjv74= ; Message-ID: <20060327191403.22054.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:14:03 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Filter-Looper Swapping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Really, in the end, I think all this routing will make you sad. What I find works best is to have both pre and post loop effects options. For what you'll pay for a router you can easily get a pretty cool effects processor for madcap looping possibilities. --- Kevin wrote: > I've ordered an Electrix Filter Queen for my "cheap > guitar > synth". No MIDI control but it does have an > expression pedal in. > > Thank you Andy for the idea of using a filter plus > distortion and > thanks to everybody else who sent me suggestions. > That's what I > really like about this list. The idea never would > have occurred to me > on my own. > > While I wait for the Electrix, I'm reviewing my > signal chain and I've > realized that I'll want to put the Filter Queen both > pre and > post looper and be able to switch between the two. > > In other words I'll want two signal paths that I can > switch between > with a single pedal-press: > > 1. Guitar-->Effects-->Filter-->EDP-->Amp > > 2. Guitar-->Effects-->EDP-->Filter-->Amp > > I've been looking at the inputs and outputs and > drawing diagrams but > I can't figure out how to switch the positions in > the signal chain > between the EDP and the FilterQueen with a single > pedal press. I do > have two inputs on the amp. > > Can anybody help me with my signal routing > conundrum? As always, I'm > careful with the pennies I earn from playing music > so a cheap > solution is preferred. > > Thanks for your help! > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 19:35:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7D873BF27; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FvDZN6dtlwCU5pJYpC1iRufhhNAcX0z7bn6CnDCfnwcG94j0UPNPGG55gEerBJaq7aVc3qaCm9EWjcwCsFhLs2L1R3fGQ0u2XlxyPPCO6DRa/EUldQXyIr0wNpFIHezAxOGrpVgHU+wIwzd3LCdj+HqIalzNmFUX4EyMIguvaoI= ; Message-ID: <20060327193554.73699.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:35:54 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Filter-Looper Swapping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060327182021.C0C2E3BF1A@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4trOM.A.UED.e6DKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:35:58 +0000 (UTC) One very common way to do this is to run your filter and your EDP through separate sub outs on your mixer. Unfortunately, you can't alter the settings with only one footpress (unless there's some sort of MIDI mixer or software out there that could do this...) I'm sure many of the gang here on this list could give you an easy fix using Ableton or whatnot. But you wanted cheap and simple if I'm remembering correctly? And still, it's difficult to change things seamlessly either way if you've got a hot signal running at the moment of switch over... Stephen Kevin says >In other words I'll want two signal paths that I can switch between >with a single pedal-press: > >1. Guitar-->Effects-->Filter-->EDP-->Amp > >2. Guitar-->Effects-->EDP-->Filter-->Amp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 19:38:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCF053BF2E; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1143488282!31695483!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8FD2@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: stumbling around in the dark..... Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:38:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C651D5.F5559B70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:38:05 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C651D5.F5559B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I met nick mason once too- his daughter used to work here for VH1-UK, & we used to see her little car out the front (plate read P1NK F). he showed up at the security desk one evening just as I was leaving, & was trying to tell the 18yr-old rent-a-cops who he had come to visit. the young lady was at a viewing station w/ headphones on & hadn't heard "wish you were here" coming from her mobile 'phone. & so naturally I had to assist. didn't get a beer out of it though. & I made up the part about the ringtone. erm.... the lighty-up volume pedal proved to be a life-saver on the darkened stage of the space centre in leicester on saturday. however, there are a couple of caveats: some keyboards (certainly the yamaha AN1X) seem to switch off the 5V supply to the pedal when it is mostly being sent back to the keyboard. I'm still investigating this, as the idea works fine on regular "cheap" controller keyboards. more importantly, my first three pedals like this were fitted with high-brightness white LEDs, as I had them to hand. they really are bright, & when they're in a foot-pedal in front of you on the floor..... the light goes right into your eyes. too bright. you end up being lit from below like bela lugosi. do I win a prize for getting nick mason & bela lugosi into the same e-mail? d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C651D5.F5559B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: stumbling around in the dark.....

I met nick mason once too- his daughter used to work here= for VH1-UK, & we used to see her little car out the front (plate read = P1NK F). he showed up at the security desk one evening just as I was leavin= g, & was trying to tell the 18yr-old rent-a-cops who he had come to vis= it. the young lady was at a viewing station w/ headphones on & hadn't h= eard "wish you were here" coming from her mobile 'phone. & so= naturally I had to assist.

didn't get a beer out of it though.

& I made up the part about the ringtone.

erm.... the lighty-up volume pedal proved to be a life-sa= ver on the darkened stage of the space centre in leicester on saturday. how= ever, there are a couple of caveats:

some keyboards (certainly the yamaha AN1X) seem to switch= off the 5V supply to the pedal when it is mostly being sent back to the ke= yboard. I'm still investigating this, as the idea works fine on regular &qu= ot;cheap" controller keyboards.

more importantly, my first three pedals like this were fi= tted with high-brightness white LEDs, as I had them to hand. they really ar= e bright, & when they're in a foot-pedal in front of you on the floor..= ... the light goes right into your eyes. too bright. you end up being lit f= rom below like bela lugosi.

do I win a prize for getting nick mason & bela lugosi= into the same e-mail?

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C651D5.F5559B70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 19:43:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21CFB3BF3E; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <67ab0ab87e8f818b4c7832c9be3a52e4@pfmentum.com> References: <67ab0ab87e8f818b4c7832c9be3a52e4@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <216F316E-D921-454F-83C9-8D131B154AE8@modaldub.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: looking for: a cheap portable digital audio recorder Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:43:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:43:42 +0000 (UTC) hello list! i am looking for a cheap and portable digital audio recorder. i've seen some nice ones, but they aren't cheap at all. perhaps some people on the list have ideas? ;) important qualities: - built-in mic - USB or Firewire connection to computer desirable: - built-in compression - decent audio quality - stereo recording thanks for any advice! -3nki From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 19:44:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E948D3BF47; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <44281C4D.309@unguitar.com> References: <67ab0ab87e8f818b4c7832c9be3a52e4@pfmentum.com> <44281C4D.309@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <688533f68f05ff02de7a1a72e196dbb7@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MOTU Ultralite Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:44:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luca, > Hi Jeff, > I will receive an Ultralite to review in a week. > I want to ask you a few things: > are you allowed to control its internal faders via midi ? It comes with the MOTU CueMix console, which can be run via a control=20 surface....I would think there's a way to route midi to the faders=20 there....but I've never done it. I handle all that internally in=20 Max/MSP. > what do you mean for: "since it has more analog audio outs than the=20 > m-audio, I can route all my EV-5 pedals there, bypassing midi for the=20= > pedals altogether." ? Well, I pretty much hate midi, so Max/MSP allows you to take virtually=20= any data and reroute for any other use....it is pretty fun. So, I use=20 sine waves going out of max->analog outputs->ev-5 pedal->analog=20 inputs->max. I then have max measure the amplitude change the pedal has=20= created and turn that into controller data. It is actually VERY=20 simple....a few objects. And now no more coarse midi resolution (0-127)=20= now it is audio rate! (thanks, Andrew!) So, the m-audio only had four analog outs, two of which were the main.=20= I could only do two pedals, now I can do six. which makes me happy.... The Ultralite seems to be quite a lovely unit, none of the driver=20 glitches that the m-audio has.....I love my m-audio for other reasons=20 (light pipe), but this sounds way better to my ears. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 19:56:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5C103BF1A; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rQCE0VyvQosi0I56yUXWf84ZazMtQwS0Pjhk8wKciobkweEsdC7cwMn48FwX5akv98cPlpuP4/LcGattcbHoTloJMUArTDDTesEOG5vSuU4/gMryfvHv8xkAHDDTrfEsNjUtfJCRyQqWm9NXy0751TPrba3fudhLMs4qsOeIgBA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <20060327193554.73699.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060327193554.73699.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Filter-Looper Swapping Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:56:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:56:23 +0000 (UTC) > Kevin says >> In other words I'll want two signal paths that I can switch between >> with a single pedal-press: >> >> 1. Guitar-->Effects-->Filter-->EDP-->Amp >> >> 2. Guitar-->Effects-->EDP-->Filter-->Amp When I was looking into this area three years ago I heard about a MIDI programmable patch-bay that would do the job. I think it was manufactured by Rocktron but has been out of production for almost a decade. But then I found a solution that worked better for me; using a multi effect device pre looping and record all loops in stereo. During the last year I have grown more into that technique and doubt I will go back to a bigger and less intuitive looping rig. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 21:03:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B68923BF23; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=e2vCZoFwfaWP12cpjEBuBMOivw3/R+eKbaeJsdpR4VCBlwZl6l6o4mSofLwVHZoI5yxEDH6izk/KF5vXfoE+DUPRE2J05KYcY4vQS2c0ZEafLr2l6nYKICFahW9DVX4GN7y5Oovl0pO7lUJAxTnbOpe7JDn+Px/wV9sWJ6Tlnuc= Message-ID: <64b81a780603271303v133c7c62u5eaa904b0dab7d50@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:03:13 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Quick question about Vortex In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060327193158.02c82e30@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9474_982195.1143493393799" References: <20060327182021.B788F3BF19@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060327193158.02c82e30@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:03:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9474_982195.1143493393799 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline With ShadowA I got the same behavior as Mark: one side out only (I assume it was the left, but can't remember how I have things wired up just now.) This is very easy for me to spot with the Vortex as my piezos go through on= e side, my magnetics through the other and they have very different tonal qualities. On ShadowA I only got magnetics (spread to both L&R outputs, I believe). Switching to piezos resulted in no sound at all. As you say, this is very strange. I wouldn't have expected this at all and the manual makes no mention of it and in fact implies just the opposite. I'm willing to label this a Vortex bug as I can't imagine it was designed this way. Now I'm curious to see what ShadowA does with my piezo signal when Mix=3D64= . I didn't think to check it at the time. Todd On 3/27/06, a k butler wrote: > > Todd says > > >The Vortex's stereo behavior depends on the patch you're > >using. Some of the patches route in ways that'll sum the stereo > >field or include cross-overs. > > Yes, I checked out the Shadow A patch like Todd suggested, and the > dry signal is monoed. > Even when Bypass is used. > > very strange > > ...don't think that's Mark's problem though, because he's getting > just left channel output. > > andy butler > > > > > ------=_Part_9474_982195.1143493393799 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline With ShadowA I got the same behavior as Mark:  one side out only (I as= sume it was the left, but can't remember how I have things wired up just no= w.)  This is very easy for me to spot with the Vortex as my piezos go = through one side, my magnetics through the other and they have very differe= nt tonal qualities.  On ShadowA I only got magnetics (spread to both L= &R outputs, I believe).  Switching to piezos resulted in no sound = at all.

As you say, this is very strange.  I wouldn't have expected th= is at all and the manual makes no mention of it and in fact implies just th= e opposite.  I'm willing to label this a Vortex bug as I can't imagine= it was designed this way. =20

Now I'm curious to see what ShadowA does with my piezo signal when = Mix=3D64.  I didn't think to check it at the time.

Todd

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------=_Part_9474_982195.1143493393799-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 22:13:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2183E3BF20; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=L7m1MzOGGzzK/mG6IyPj8SeuBxFhuav2V8U7Ca47Sjc65rzC+bJV6ICEVW5tXpb/X5qivpSToCTqoqBLuAXPgvuwDX4LWbAN9M2uC62Tw/IUrfX9II8YLA93AtxavAI7E0O6CLtdvJHRMEBY54e/Kq9Dofk6TPeg9QFk4DqOXKs= Message-ID: <588ce11d0603271413w7df81ecdvf1bc458cb6066b4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:13:43 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for: a cheap portable digital audio recorder In-Reply-To: <216F316E-D921-454F-83C9-8D131B154AE8@modaldub.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <67ab0ab87e8f818b4c7832c9be3a52e4@pfmentum.com> <216F316E-D921-454F-83C9-8D131B154AE8@modaldub.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Well I've got a recommendation, but it doesn't meet all your requirement: The iRivier ifp 700 and 800 series. They have a built in mic, but it isn't very good quality. You can built a good quality stereo mic though for surprisingly little money. Here's an article I wrote on how to do it with an old pair of heaphones for about $4: http://art.simon.tripod.com/stealth.html The ifp700 and 800 series are the only flash based mp3 recorders that can power a mic that has electret condenser elements. The iRiver ifp 700 and 800 series record mp3s upto 320kps, which for many purposes is fine. They've developed something of a following among video and blog producers: http://www.geekfishing.net/media/podcast/2005/03/16/iriver_ifp799_recording= .html http://www.videouniversity.com/iriver.shtml http://todmaffin.com/blogs/radio/?p=3D912 While they've been discontinued, they are still cheap. You can get the 128Mb ifp-780 for $59.95 from the iriver store right now: https://secure15.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=3Diriver&Bu= sType=3DBtoC&Count1=3D402218043&Count2=3D319358468 The downsides are that the user interface is very confusing and they have a reputation for being fragile. And no built in compression per your requirements. On 3/27/06, 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> wrote: > hello list! > > i am looking for a cheap and portable digital audio recorder. i've > seen some nice ones, but they aren't cheap at all. perhaps some > people on the list have ideas? ;) > > important qualities: > - built-in mic > - USB or Firewire connection to computer > > desirable: > - built-in compression > - decent audio quality > - stereo recording > > thanks for any advice! > > -3nki > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 22:24:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5640C3BF28; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,136,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="2102955527:sNHT1297831094" Message-ID: <23431126.1143498250432.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:24:10 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - JUST WHEN YOU THINK THAT NOBODY WILL EVER READ YOUR OPINION (OR CARE) Cc: mark sottilaro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7P_Nx.A.yWC.LYGKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Hey there Mark, When are we gonna hear about a Mark Sottilaro looping CD coming out? Been a= long time waiting for one.=20 Since I don't see you at loopfests anymore it seems like it's been a long t= ime past that I last heard you play. Wassup amigo? tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- mark sottilaro wrote:=20 > Ready are you to face Vader! Beware fear and anger!=20 > These are what lead to the dark side! >=20 > --- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn wrote: >=20 > > My little insignificant blurb is on page 9. I may be > > nuts, but I'm =20 > > kinda proud. > >=20 > > Striking a blow against the empire . . > >=20 > > tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn > >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 22:40:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A09C33BF23; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,136,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="69277463:sNHT601818172" Message-ID: <2331571.1143499223855.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:40:23 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Jeez-0-pizza This is really messing with my mind. I just found out that my CD, "Flux Aet= erna" is available as a download from Walmart. What's the world coming to? See: Talk about an evil empire. I think they may already have won. tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- mark sottilaro wrote:=20 > That's great advice for any effects programming. I > found I used to do all my tweaking alone just > listening to my guitar. Now, I start there, but more > often than not I program a "B" version of my sound > that's designed to fit in a mix of other instruments.=20 > What sounds thin by its self can often be exactly what > you want when mixed with drums bass and synths. >=20 > --- a k butler wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > >Speaking of rock gigs, have any of you ever used a > > Vortex in a rock=20 > > >band, live? I find that many oif the patches that > > sound great in the=20 > > >living room just disappear amid the bass and drums. > >=20 > > hi Tim > >=20 > > I didn't have a problem in a rehearsal studio type > > situation, > > but if you mean playing with a "professional" pa > > then I'd > > think about making easy uncomplicated sounds that a > > "sound guy" > > might be able to live with. > >=20 > > Generally the fine details of a patch are always > > going be somewhat=20 > > lost when you blend your guitar with other sounds. > > An echo at low=20 > > volume will tend to disappear completely. > > In any case, what sounds good on solo guitar isn't > > always going to=20 > > work in a band context. > >=20 > > the supplied vortex presets are probably worth > > avoiding > >=20 > > Try going for simpler echoes, > > turn up the echo volume, and turn down the no. of > > repeats. > > Use simpler values for echo divide ( like putting > > them both =3D 2) > >=20 > > ...and plenty of Vortex extreme modulation brought > > in with the pedal :-) > >=20 > > andy butler > > www.andybutler.com mp3 and home of the Vortex > > Database > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 22:47:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED0283BF27; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <2331571.1143499223855.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> References: <2331571.1143499223855.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <087a491ccbd1763d5666777e837f947d@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:47:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Better add it to your email signature! :-) best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 27, 2006, at 2:40 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > Jeez-0-pizza > > This is really messing with my mind. I just found out that my CD, =20 > "Flux Aeterna" is available as a download from Walmart. What's the =20 > world coming to? > > See: =20 > jsessionid=3DC52sQtkBzAGMrugxjou8L1CXWqZUNynWnw7VikXVeN2V2l6PZHh5!=20 > 1011597260?id=3D41845> > > Talk about an evil empire. I think they may already have won. > > tEd =AE kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 > step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > ---- mark sottilaro wrote: >> That's great advice for any effects programming. I >> found I used to do all my tweaking alone just >> listening to my guitar. Now, I start there, but more >> often than not I program a "B" version of my sound >> that's designed to fit in a mix of other instruments. >> What sounds thin by its self can often be exactly what >> you want when mixed with drums bass and synths. >> >> --- a k butler wrote: >> >>> >>>> Speaking of rock gigs, have any of you ever used a >>> Vortex in a rock >>>> band, live? I find that many oif the patches that >>> sound great in the >>>> living room just disappear amid the bass and drums. >>> >>> hi Tim >>> >>> I didn't have a problem in a rehearsal studio type >>> situation, >>> but if you mean playing with a "professional" pa >>> then I'd >>> think about making easy uncomplicated sounds that a >>> "sound guy" >>> might be able to live with. >>> >>> Generally the fine details of a patch are always >>> going be somewhat >>> lost when you blend your guitar with other sounds. >>> An echo at low >>> volume will tend to disappear completely. >>> In any case, what sounds good on solo guitar isn't >>> always going to >>> work in a band context. >>> >>> the supplied vortex presets are probably worth >>> avoiding >>> >>> Try going for simpler echoes, >>> turn up the echo volume, and turn down the no. of >>> repeats. >>> Use simpler values for echo divide ( like putting >>> them both =3D 2) >>> >>> ...and plenty of Vortex extreme modulation brought >>> in with the pedal :-) >>> >>> andy butler >>> www.andybutler.com mp3 and home of the Vortex >>> Database >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 22:56:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE3B03BF30; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5FD46256-939E-45E1-8872-2B911115BF8D@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: how to blow up your equipment Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:55:58 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: dc50771f-bde4-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:56:06 +0000 (UTC) well, a couple days ago I did just about the worst thing you can do to your gear....I blew it up! in a stupid, jetlagged moment that I won't go into, I plugged my US gear into a UK socket. POOF!! crackle. blue smoke. I realized immediately what I'd just done and cut the power. But it was too late. Luckily I mostly fried the adaptors, and I'm hoping I can replace them when I get back to the US. Some of the gear though, like the Rane SM82, have the most ridiculous adaptors (a phone plug???) and I had to replace them with substitute UK gear. The FCB1010 is dead and gone, but I got another and spent the hour before the show reprogramming it. But...and this made me so happy that I couldn't care less about the other gear... The Repeaters are intelligent and take US or European power. THEY ARE FINE!! Made me so happy that I didn't mind dropping 250 pounds on the rest of the gear. Hooray for my beloved Repeaters. Let me compose and ode to them.... Anyway, I learnt my lesson! Thought I'd pass that little story on to ya'll loopily, Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 23:17:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 151EB3BF27; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kLP0LgbEtebBXW4Gf88aB0YHKNegR/wxxTQYvA72a3hUT2EckBkd0M4rbATdPhjgsZF22+CWEi27YRiJXFBGJZw2oYMa8Zj/KCyilCrGrZOsxHK0kB5ZS1plaQK48/DerwVWdTbVggFW4qXPq4cR6LPmeD/lj3h/3CBumt7cl94= Message-ID: <64b81a780603271517x3679dc2ek2a3f47899899fcc3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:17:07 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater In-Reply-To: <001601c650fd$a03df200$0301a8c0@mlimli> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11612_24942232.1143501427685" References: <20060326145535.60703.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <001601c650fd$a03df200$0301a8c0@mlimli> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:17:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11612_24942232.1143501427685 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline While I agree that ultimately, we all need to read the manuals, there is something to be said for instant gratification. Especially if one has just dropped a whole lot of money on a new toy. I don't see anything wrong with looking for help getting started with new gear as long as the intent, ultimately, is to develop a personal understanding through experimentation, manuals, and discussion. Also keep in mind that human beings learn best through apprenticeship, not through memorizing obscure facts from a reference. (This fact alone can blossom out into a long diatribe against modern "educational" systems and that bastard Dewey, but that's best left to another forum.) Popping up on = a forum like this and asking for help is a natural way of seeking knowledge from a "learned master" in the subject. All too often I see posts like the one quoted below which basically boil down to Read The F-ing Manual. This is both arrogant and unhelpful. If you can't or won't take the time to hel= p out and teach someone something, then don't, but don't shout them down complaining that they asked for help. So, having said that, here's my helpful tip for Rune: Contrary to what some people would have to you think, many of us started ou= t by saying, "Hey, how's this stuff work?" And going from there. For many, manual memorization comes late in the game, if at all. We're here to make music after all, not read manuals, right? For a helpful community of folks surrounding the FCB1010, check out < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010>. There you'll find lots of folks willing to help out and a ton of files bursting with information on getting started and working with specific gear. You'll also find software editors for programming the FCB from your PC instead of with your feet which will speed things up considerably. As a first step, I'd advise a google search on "MIDI primer" and start wrapping your head around PCs, CCs, Channels, Notes, etc. Once you've come to grips with the terminology, getting everything to work together will be = a breeze. Hope this helps, Todd On 3/26/06, claude voit wrote: > > Rune > > all the "Real" and fantastic loppers/musicians that you can interact wit= h > on this Looper-delight web site have read all their manuals from bottom t= o > top and back, they know every midi trick from heart, dream of vcf curves, > sysex checksum, and drop down menus every night. > > so do you want to join the "A" looper VIP club ? > or be the regular looping "fan" with factory presets ? > > there are no shortcuts to knowing your tools and it takes being patient, > reading manuals, trying, being patient, reading manuals, trying again etc > ... > dont be lazy or go back to playing blues or whatever > > Claude > > > > > > > > > > > > From: rune fagereng > > Hi ! > > I have just bought FCB1010 midi-pedalboard, the Repeater, and a TC 2290 > delay. All this gear and midi are new to me. I hope to use the FCB to > controll the Repeater and the TC. > > Does anyone have somthing written to help me getting started, or do I hav= e > to read all those big manuals ? > > I hope to use the FCB expression pedals to controll the feedback on the > repeater and the TC. I have read that this is possible on the repeater. > Is it possible to controll feedback (kind of Fripp) with expression-pedal > also on the TC 2290 ? > > best regards Rune F > > ------=_Part_11612_24942232.1143501427685 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline While I agree that ultimately, we all need to read the manuals, there is so= mething to be said for instant gratification.  Especially if one has j= ust dropped a whole lot of money on a new toy.  I don't see anything w= rong with looking for help getting started with new gear as long as the int= ent, ultimately, is to develop a personal understanding through experimenta= tion, manuals, and discussion.

Also keep in mind that human beings learn best through apprenticesh= ip, not through memorizing obscure facts from a reference.  (This fact= alone can blossom out into a long diatribe against modern "educationa= l" systems and that bastard Dewey, but that's best left to another for= um.)  Popping up on a forum like this and asking for help is a natural= way of seeking knowledge from a "learned master" in the subject.=   All too often I see posts like the one quoted below which basically = boil down to Read The F-ing Manual.  This is both arrogant and unhelpf= ul.  If you can't or won't take the time to help out and teach someone= something, then don't, but don't shout them down complaining that they ask= ed for help.

So, having said that, here's my helpful tip for Rune:
Contrary t= o what some people would have to you think, many of us started out by sayin= g, "Hey, how's this stuff work?"  And going from there. = ; For many, manual memorization comes late in the game, if at all.  We= 're here to make music after all, not read manuals, right?

For a helpful community of folks surrounding the FCB1010, check out= <http://groups.yahoo.= com/group/fcb1010>.  There you'll find lots of folks willing to= help out and a ton of files bursting with information on getting started a= nd working with specific gear.  You'll also find software editors for = programming the FCB from your PC instead of with your feet which will speed= things up considerably.

As a first step, I'd advise a google search on "MIDI primer&qu= ot; and start wrapping your head around PCs, CCs, Channels, Notes, etc.&nbs= p; Once you've come to grips with the terminology, getting everything to wo= rk together will be a breeze.

Hope this helps,
Todd

On= 3/26/06, claude voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote:
Rune

all the "Real"  and fantastic loppers/music= ians that you can interact with
on this Looper-delight web site have rea= d all their manuals from bottom to
top and back, they know every midi tr= ick from heart, dream of vcf curves,
sysex checksum, and drop down menus every night.

so do you want = to join the "A" looper VIP club ?
or be the regular looping &q= uot;fan" with factory presets ?

there are no shortcuts to knowi= ng your tools and it takes being patient,
reading manuals, trying, being patient, reading manuals, trying again e= tc
...
dont be lazy or go back to playing blues  or whateve= r

Claude











From: rune f= agereng

Hi !

I have just bought FCB1010 midi-pedalboard, the Repeate= r, and a TC 2290
delay. All this gear and midi are new to me. I hope to = use the FCB to
controll the Repeater and the TC.

Does anyone have= somthing written to help me getting started, or do I have
to read all those big manuals  ?

I hope to use the FCB= expression pedals to controll the feedback on the
repeater and the TC. = I have read that this is possible on the repeater.
Is it possible to con= troll feedback (kind of Fripp) with expression-pedal
also on the TC 2290 ?

best regards Rune F


------=_Part_11612_24942232.1143501427685-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 23:30:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC7743BF36; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: how to blow up your equipment Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:30:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <5FD46256-939E-45E1-8872-2B911115BF8D@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:30:31 +0000 (UTC) The good news is you can order a power supply from Rane, online, in either US or European Voltages, and they based are in Washington State. www.rane.com,, and yes, you most likely fried the power supplies only. I must say, I'm no fan of wall warts, but they do prevent us from burning out the insides of our gear. Good Luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 2:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: how to blow up your equipment well, a couple days ago I did just about the worst thing you can do to your gear....I blew it up! in a stupid, jetlagged moment that I won't go into, I plugged my US gear into a UK socket. POOF!! crackle. blue smoke. I realized immediately what I'd just done and cut the power. But it was too late. Luckily I mostly fried the adaptors, and I'm hoping I can replace them when I get back to the US. Some of the gear though, like the Rane SM82, have the most ridiculous adaptors (a phone plug???) and I had to replace them with substitute UK gear. The FCB1010 is dead and gone, but I got another and spent the hour before the show reprogramming it. But...and this made me so happy that I couldn't care less about the other gear... The Repeaters are intelligent and take US or European power. THEY ARE FINE!! Made me so happy that I didn't mind dropping 250 pounds on the rest of the gear. Hooray for my beloved Repeaters. Let me compose and ode to them.... Anyway, I learnt my lesson! Thought I'd pass that little story on to ya'll loopily, Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 23:31:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE4863BF32; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2346.128.193.37.212.1143502316.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780603271517x3679dc2ek2a3f47899899fcc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060326145535.60703.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <001601c650fd$a03df200$0301a8c0@mlimli> <64b81a780603271517x3679dc2ek2a3f47899899fcc3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:31:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: RTFM From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:31:58 +0000 (UTC) > While I agree that ultimately, we all need to read the manuals, there is > something to be said for instant gratification... Not only am I a music geek, in my day job I'm also a technical geek. In fact, I'm an alpha geek: I tell other geeks how to do technical stuff.. And I haven't read a manual or any other technical book cover-to-cover since my teens. I read manuals, mind. But only the tasty bits. Read the "Getting Started" section of the manual and try the gear out, Rune. If you can't figure it out, dip into the manual, using the table of contents and the index. If RTFM doesn't help, ask the list. When you get bored with the music you make on the gear, dip into the manual again. The folks that say that you have to read the manual cover-to-cover before you can use gear are often the same folks who say that you have to practice scales before you can play solos--and you know what? Their solos tend to sound like scales. Make music first. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 23:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 188823BF3F; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2435.128.193.37.212.1143502438.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: <5FD46256-939E-45E1-8872-2B911115BF8D@zoekeating.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:33:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: how to blow up your equipment From: johnsrude@peak.org To: billwalker@baymoon.com Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <02exOC.A.3wF.sZHKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:34:05 +0000 (UTC) > I > must say, I'm no fan of wall warts, but they do prevent us from burning out > the insides of our gear. Unless the power arcs across the transformer... Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 23:39:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 174663BF44; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=F6uaf9xPyCdMsPwPXa32k4gyD6hHxjniUWJL8XhbfZVKoSL0d9wZyIAwEfuIoGT3SsXNxmj248dfO9o/ud0vAnk+tJJhSpjbGBc3fcLCfpQnFboiHazsTf0m6kpKfDPe2uGEK4Tl5fgjavUSu6Q8zOpbnqhwZTm5n2qrgLeI6vg= Message-ID: <64b81a780603271539h3b79d334w37b38011289b7e2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:39:33 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how to blow up your equipment In-Reply-To: <5FD46256-939E-45E1-8872-2B911115BF8D@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11888_20038870.1143502773939" References: <5FD46256-939E-45E1-8872-2B911115BF8D@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:39:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11888_20038870.1143502773939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Wow, and this just weeks after I said I didn't want you frying yourself on the wiring in your new apartment. I think this is some sort of message fro= m the universe...or something. :) This brings up a question, though, that I've been thinking about for a while. Do you professional types keep notebooks, diagrams, etc. of your gear settings, routing, etc.? Take the FCB or example; were you able to quickly reprogram based on notes of how you had it set up, or did you have to re-figure it from scratch? I've been thinking of putting together such = a notebook myself, but haven't gotten around to it. Anyway, glad to hear you and the repeaters survived. Todd On 3/27/06, Zoe Keating wrote: > > well, a couple days ago I did just about the worst thing you can do > to your gear....I blew it up! in a stupid, jetlagged moment that I > won't go into, I plugged my US gear into a UK socket. > > POOF!! crackle. blue smoke. > > I realized immediately what I'd just done and cut the power. But it > was too late. Luckily I mostly fried the adaptors, and I'm hoping I > can replace them when I get back to the US. Some of the gear though, > like the Rane SM82, have the most ridiculous adaptors (a phone > plug???) and I had to replace them with substitute UK gear. The > FCB1010 is dead and gone, but I got another and spent the hour before > the show reprogramming it. > > But...and this made me so happy that I couldn't care less about the > other gear... > > The Repeaters are intelligent and take US or European power. THEY ARE > FINE!! Made me so happy that I didn't mind dropping 250 pounds on the > rest of the gear. Hooray for my beloved Repeaters. Let me compose and > ode to them.... > > Anyway, I learnt my lesson! Thought I'd pass that little story on to > ya'll > > loopily, Zoe > > ------=_Part_11888_20038870.1143502773939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Wow, and this just weeks after I said I didn't want you frying yourself on = the wiring in your new apartment.  I think this is some sort of messag= e from the universe...or something.  :)

This brings up a questi= on, though, that I've been thinking about for a while.  Do you profess= ional types keep notebooks, diagrams, etc. of your gear settings, routing, = etc.?  Take the FCB or example; were you able to quickly reprogram bas= ed on notes of how you had it set up, or did you have to re-figure it from = scratch?  I've been thinking of putting together such a notebook mysel= f, but haven't gotten around to it.

Anyway, glad to hear you and the repeaters survived.
Todd
On 3/27/06, Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeati= ng.com > wrote:
well, a couple days ago I did just about the worst thing you can do to your gear....I blew it up! in a stupid, jetlagged moment that I
won't= go into, I plugged my US gear into a UK socket.

POOF!! crackle. blu= e smoke.

I realized immediately what I'd just done and cut the power= . But it
was too late. Luckily I mostly fried the adaptors, and I'm hoping I
= can replace them when I get back to the US. Some of the gear though,
lik= e the Rane SM82, have the most ridiculous adaptors (a phone
plug???) and= I had to replace them with substitute UK gear.  The
FCB1010 is dead and gone, but I got another and spent the hour beforethe show reprogramming it.

But...and this made me so happy that I = couldn't care less about the
other gear...

The Repeaters are inte= lligent and take US or European power. THEY ARE
FINE!! Made me so happy that I didn't mind dropping 250 pounds on therest of the gear. Hooray for my beloved Repeaters. Let me compose and
= ode to them....

Anyway, I learnt my lesson! Thought I'd pass that li= ttle story on to
ya'll

loopily, Zoe


------=_Part_11888_20038870.1143502773939-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 23:43:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B43183BF41; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:0(88.109.254.225):SA:0(-1.5/5.0):. Processed in 1.38622 secs Process 3598) Message-ID: <44287888.9000809@swyatt.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:43:04 +0100 From: Stuart Wyatt User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater References: <20060326145535.60703.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <001601c650fd$a03df200$0301a8c0@mlimli> In-Reply-To: <001601c650fd$a03df200$0301a8c0@mlimli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:43:12 +0000 (UTC) claude voit wrote: > all the "Real" and fantastic loppers/musicians that you can interact > with on this Looper-delight web site have read all their manuals from > bottom to top and back, I'm dyslexic, and have great difficulty reading manuals - hence I don't bother picking up the manual unless really necessary. Am I not "Real"? > they know every midi trick from heart, dream of > vcf curves, sysex checksum, and drop down menus every night. I have no clue as to what you are talking about. :) > so do you want to join the "A" looper VIP club ? I never realised such a thing existed. If educated knowledge of vcf curves, sysex checksums and drop down menu's is a required necessity, then I think I'd prefer to be in the other club. > From: rune fagereng > > Hi ! Hi Rune! > > I have just bought FCB1010 midi-pedalboard, the Repeater, and a TC 2290 > delay. All this gear and midi are new to me. I hope to use the FCB to > controll the Repeater and the TC. I can't help you with setting up your Repeater or 2290, but the FCB1010 editor utility at http://www.mtnsys.com/faq-fcb/PCEditor.htm might make your life easier for programming the pedalboard. - Stuart Wyatt http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 27 23:50:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D7BE3BF23; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: Subject: Laptop orchestra Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:50:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2006 23:50:40.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[41028AB0:01C651F9] Resent-Message-ID: <7fY2P.A.8gG.RpHKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:50:42 +0000 (UTC) check this out! http://plork.cs.princeton.edu/ if anyone is in the area, I'd love to hear how the show goes. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 00:01:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D2BF3BF41; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: European power adapter (was: how to blow up your equipment) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:01:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <2435.128.193.37.212.1143502438.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcZR9vKQEa+P4ZN4Q4ahyKvPm1JjCgAA3Iqg Message-Id: <20060328000121.GVG15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:01:23 +0000 (UTC) On a related note-- We are going to the UK in May, and I wonder about the difference in voltage. How does one acquire adapters for their various items? Is there one device you can plug into to convert the voltage? Thanks, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 00:56:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7F0A3BF4F; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:56:11 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: European power adapter (was: how to blow up your equipment) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6828D155.130D5C52.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 84.64.58.122 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <6jm63D.A.fkB.0mIKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:56:20 +0000 (UTC) The UK (and most, if not all, of Europe) is on 220 - 240V AC at 50Hz. Transformers for US voltage/frequency gear are pretty readily available in shops like Maplins if you want a generic solution rather than manufacturers replacement wall warts. I'm running an S-550 sampler and a JV-880 synthesiser off these types of units - they can be quite acoustically buzzy but fine apart from that. If you buy one unit per plug it's quite expensive - slightly larger units that can power several bits of equipment at once are probably a better bet if you've got two or three items that need conversion. Check the power supplies of your equipment though - quite a lot of kit is now either switchable or automatically converts to whatever type of power it receives. - Tony "Gary Lehmann" wrote: >On a related note-- >We are going to the UK in May, and I wonder about the difference in voltage. >How does one acquire adapters for their various items?  Is there one device >you can plug into to convert the voltage? >Thanks, >Gary > > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 01:02:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40F7D3BF56; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:02:43 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: European power adapter (was: how to blow up your equipment) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <15893CC9.2C9554B6.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 84.64.58.122 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:02:57 +0000 (UTC) A quick whiz around Maplin's web site suggests this ... http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?TabID=1&criteria=us%20transformer&ModuleNo=13358&doy=28m3 ... and they're a lot cheaper than they used to be, too ! The Great US eBay Bring'n'Buy Sale has another unexpected effect, methinks ... ;) "Gary Lehmann" wrote: [ asking about power supplies ] __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 01:08:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF2453BF5B; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:08:30 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2B1767A9.6BAC62DF.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 84.64.58.122 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <9AbwPD.A.QfC.UyIKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:08:36 +0000 (UTC) I read Claude's post as being slightly ironic, meself. I hope it was - I studiously avoid manuals except where thoroughly necessary. Having battled through Yamaha's "Mysteries of the DX7" and Roland's "101 Things You'll Wish You Knew About the GR50", I've sworn off them for life ! - Tony Stuart Wyatt wrote: [ in response to Claude ] __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 01:13:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCF213BF5E; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:13:10 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: how to blow up your equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <14A56B45.1032144B.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 84.64.58.122 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <9ex8u.A.zsC.s2IKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:13:16 +0000 (UTC) So long as you're ok, and we still get to hear you in Glasgow on Sunday ... ;) This reminds me of the Fairytale of the Million Dollar Three Phase Firework, but that's not for general consumption ... suffice to say we chuckled (after turning off the power with a drift of wood and retiring to safe distance). - Tony Zoe Keating wrote: [ of the after effects of introducing 110V/60Hz items to 240V/50Hz power supply ] __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. 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Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 01:20:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B42CA3BF63; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--154594950 From: Richard Sales Subject: First of possibly many stupid questions Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:20:45 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:20:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10--154594950 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I've never done looping but have done a large ton of music for a very long time. It's how I make my living. I've been considering getting into looping live guitar (Michael HEdges style) since the Jam Man first came out and have procrastinated . But the time is upon me! So... I want to get a good one with very high quality audio... and have considered the Gibson Echoplex or, if they ever get it back out, the Electrix Repeater. There are a bunch of earlier Gibson Eplexes on ebay, but they are the earlier versions. So, question is, are the new ones any better than the old? Sonically? Reliability wise? Memory? ALso I've heard the footswitches for the Gibson are light duty. Is true? I'm going to use it for very high end acoustic guitars with K&K Powermix Trinity pickups (deadly beautiful) and a resonator with a Schatten in it (also killer). So the sound quality is critical. I've heard the Repeater's sound is not as good as the Gibson. I'll probably also use it in my studio. I'm not real interested in MIDI implementation or tweaking sounds (I don't think). I have stuff that will do that in my studio already. Am I looking in the right place? Are these answers more easily found elsewhere? I've scoured the loopers delight web site and while the answers are almost there, I still need more data. thanks for your patience richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com --Apple-Mail-10--154594950 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I've never done looping but have done a large ton of music for a very long time. It's how I make my living. I've been considering getting into looping live guitar (Michael HEdges style) since the Jam Man first came out and have procrastinated . But the time is upon me! So... I want to get a good one with very high quality audio... and have considered the Gibson Echoplex or, if they ever get it back out, the Electrix Repeater. There are a bunch of earlier Gibson Eplexes on ebay, but they are the earlier versions. So, question is, are the new ones any better than the old? Sonically? Reliability wise? Memory? ALso I've heard the footswitches for the Gibson are light duty. Is true? I'm going to use it for very high end acoustic guitars with K&K Powermix Trinity pickups (deadly beautiful) and a resonator with a Schatten in it (also killer). So the sound quality is critical. I've heard the Repeater's sound is not as good as the Gibson. I'll probably also use it in my studio. I'm not real interested in MIDI implementation or tweaking sounds (I don't think). I have stuff that will do that in my studio already. Am I looking in the right place? Are these answers more easily found elsewhere? I've scoured the loopers delight web site and while the answers are almost there, I still need more data. thanks for your patience Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com --Apple-Mail-10--154594950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 02:27:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48CFF3BF32; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2327.128.193.37.212.1143512832.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <6828D155.130D5C52.59DF470E@netscape.net> References: <6828D155.130D5C52.59DF470E@netscape.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:27:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: European power adapter (was: how to blow up your equipment) From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <_fMqMD.A.0EG.C8JKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:27:15 +0000 (UTC) > The UK (and most, if not all, of Europe) is on 220 - 240V AC at 50Hz. > Transformers for US voltage/frequency gear are pretty readily available in > shops like Maplins if you want a generic solution rather than manufacturers > replacement wall warts. Wouldn't buying UK wall warts be a cheaper way to run your US gear than buying a generic transformer? Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 04:13:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A31B43BF37; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <2327.128.193.37.212.1143512832.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <6828D155.130D5C52.59DF470E@netscape.net> <2327.128.193.37.212.1143512832.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: European power adapter (was: how to blow up your equipment) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:13:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <0Q7RU.A.w6C.FgLKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:13:57 +0000 (UTC) I purchased a voltage converter here: http://www.electroniccity.com/ Figure out how much juice you draw and buy the appropriate one....I=20 think mine was around 25 bucks and worked great when I was in London.=20 It also came with other adaptors for other countries. Be wary though, some hardware units supposedly (I have heard this, BUT=20= I didn't experience this) that might use the hz for timing could be=20 affected if you go from a country that varies from 60hz to 50hz. The=20 transformer I purchased doesn't change hz, only voltage. I had zero=20 problems with my hardware at the time (two DL4s, moogerfooger ring mod=20= and others) =46rom Electronic City's Web site: "North American 110-120 volt electricity is generated at 60 Hz.=20 (Cycles) Alternating Current. Most foreign 220-240 volt electricity is=20= generated at 50 Hz. (Cycles) Alternating Current. This difference in=20 cycles may cause the motor in your 60 Hz. North American appliance to=20 operate slightly slower when used on 50 Hz. foreign electricity. This=20 cycle difference will also cause analog clocks and timing circuits that=20= use Alternating Current as a timing base to keep incorrect time. Most=20 modern electronic equipment including battery chargers, computers,=20 printers, stereos, tape and CD players, VCR/DVD players, etc. will not=20= be affected by the difference in cycles. IMPORTANT: Voltage converters=20= and heavy duty transformers do not convert cycles." Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 27, 2006, at 6:27 PM, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >> The UK (and most, if not all, of Europe) is on 220 - 240V AC at 50Hz. >> Transformers for US voltage/frequency gear are pretty readily=20 >> available in >> shops like Maplins if you want a generic solution rather than=20 >> manufacturers >> replacement wall warts. > > Wouldn't buying UK wall warts be a cheaper way to run your US gear=20 > than buying > a generic transformer? > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 04:18:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D86A3BF4C; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-25--143916465 From: Paul Sullivan Subject: NYC gig spam (looping content): LAMBIC @ CBGB Gallery 313 this Tuesday 3/28 from 10 to 11 pm Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:18:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ELNK-Trace: 2cf92e4390c98b9b1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7970dd49dd7e666f449164858ff8175b59350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.143.67 Resent-Message-ID: <_k-kw.A.4ID.lkLKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:18:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-25--143916465 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Lambic returns to CBGB gallery 313 (right next door to the original CBGB) this Tuesday, March 28th, at 10pm And yes, there will be loopage, including 2 boomerangs, dl-4, pds-8000. headrush... From our myspace page http://myspace.com/lambic - Lambic is a style of Belgian ale that is spontaneously fermented from wild yeasts. Lambic is also a band featuring Paul Sullivan on guitars and effects, and Stephen Moses (Alice Donut) on drums, trombone, and effects. Lambic is spontaneously fermented music, free improvisation with a groove. Please join us for a rare Manhattan show at CBGB's 313 Gallery. Each show has been unique and special, like our namesake. CBGB Gallery 313 is at 313 Bowery (at Bleeker Street). If you want, check out our myspace page http://myspace.com/lambic . We'd like to be all of your friends, also. I'm a long time lurker and occasional poster, and I have a backlog of digests that I'm just going through now Hope to see anyone from the list there, please come up and say hi... --Apple-Mail-25--143916465 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Lambic returns to CBGB gallery 313 (right next door to the original CBGB) this Tuesday, March 28th, at 10pm And yes, there will be loopage, including 2 boomerangs, dl-4, pds-8000. headrush... From our myspace page http://myspace.com/lambicVerdana - Lambic is a style of Belgian ale that is spontaneously fermented from wild yeasts. Lambic is also a band featuring PaulVerdana Sullivan on guitars and effects, and Stephen Moses (Alice Donut) on drums, trombone, and effects. Lambic is spontaneously fermented music, free improvisation with a groove. Please join us for a rare Manhattan show at CBGB's 313 Gallery. Each show has been unique and special, like our namesake. CBGB Gallery 313 is at 313 Bowery (at Bleeker Street). If you want, check out our myspace page http://myspace.com/lambic . We'd like to be all of your friends, also. I'm a long time lurker and occasional poster, and I have a backlog of digests that I'm just going through now Hope to see anyone from the list there, please come up and say hi... --Apple-Mail-25--143916465-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 04:24:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE4C83BF4C; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <14A56B45.1032144B.59DF470E@netscape.net> References: <14A56B45.1032144B.59DF470E@netscape.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: how to blow up your equipment [with spit] Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:24:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:24:10 +0000 (UTC) BTW, my favorite "blowing up of equipment story" was in January when=20 andrew pask and I were playing with Steve Lawson and Steuart Liebig at=20= Club Tropical....Andrew set his power strip with his wall warts right=20 by my feet. For those of you that don't know, I play trumpet. Trumpets=20= generate condensation ("spit," in the vernacular). I cluelessly emptied=20= my spit valve and shorted out his entire rig a few minutes into the=20 gig....sparks, everything....ouch.......it shut it all down. Drying and=20= cleaning and rebooting while onstage, he got everything working=20 again.....I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else has blown up a=20 rig in the same way...... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 27, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Tony Douglas wrote: > So long as you're ok, and we still get to hear you in Glasgow on=20 > Sunday ... ;) > > This reminds me of the Fairytale of the Million Dollar Three Phase=20 > Firework, but that's not for general consumption ... suffice to say we=20= > chuckled (after turning off the power with a drift of wood and=20 > retiring to safe distance). > > - Tony > > Zoe Keating wrote: [ of the after effects of=20 > introducing 110V/60Hz items to 240V/50Hz power supply ] > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at=20 > http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 04:45:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DD4B3BF4C; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nm7gIFRqIr0uSFmxMZX113lxEp0qfuTiu9hA5h2AipCR2gJ4RqXtCtvPePEeLfD1kIffwDv3FGYmnTRWC05kdntvRjeUrSm/Bm/2qM5w3A+ilSQYcR2mmYf7ECwwZQ7qa6NcTIpwOrIY5rL+yW7xLkb0mmGtvnQu9vMrWWA2A2Y= ; Message-ID: <20060328044532.56536.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:45:32 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: First of possibly many stupid questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_sWM9C.A.2SE.u9LKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Wow, that's some procrastination. Didn't the JamMan hit in the early 90s? The good news is that there's more choice than ever for a looper. I've found that in a line level situation both the EDP and Repeater have excellent tone, though if you have the wrong gain stage it's easy to hear Repeater noise. I've never experienced it. Both are fine, but very different machines. I never really dug the EDP, yet it's many people's favorite. However, the Looperlative is about to ship and I'm sure in the next week or so this week will be flooded with observations. It brags really high quality sound and a feature set that's pretty unique. (8 stereo loops at one time, syncronized or not! and MIDI sync) so you may want to keep procrastinating for a little while longer and Give some more thought to what you want to do with your looper. I've heard that even the RC-20 and 50 sound great, they're just more limited and without MIDI sync. --- Richard Sales wrote: > I've never done looping but have done a large ton of > music for a very > long time. It's how I make my living. > > I've been considering getting into looping live > guitar (Michael HEdges > style) since the Jam Man first came out and have > procrastinated . But > the time is upon me! So... I want to get a good one > with very high > quality audio... and have considered the Gibson > Echoplex or, if they > ever get it back out, the Electrix Repeater. There > are a bunch of > earlier Gibson Eplexes on ebay, but they are the > earlier versions. So, > question is, are the new ones any better than the > old? Sonically? > Reliability wise? Memory? > > ALso I've heard the footswitches for the Gibson are > light duty. Is > true? > > I'm going to use it for very high end acoustic > guitars with K&K > Powermix Trinity pickups (deadly beautiful) and a > resonator with a > Schatten in it (also killer). So the sound quality > is critical. I've > heard the Repeater's sound is not as good as the > Gibson. I'll probably > also use it in my studio. > > I'm not real interested in MIDI implementation or > tweaking sounds (I > don't think). I have stuff that will do that in my > studio already. > > Am I looking in the right place? Are these answers > more easily found > elsewhere? I've scoured the loopers delight web > site and while the > answers are almost there, I still need more data. > > thanks for your patience > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 04:55:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3302A3BF41; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060327203915.01a98ba8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:55:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Filter-Looper Swapping In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060327122351.0281f700@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060327060210.D2C923BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060327122351.0281f700@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:55:14 +0000 (UTC) At 03:42 AM 3/27/2006, Andy wrote: >>In other words I'll want two signal paths that I can switch between >>with a single pedal-press: >>1. Guitar-->Effects-->Filter-->EDP-->Amp >>2. Guitar-->Effects-->EDP-->Filter-->Amp > >that's a 3-pole double throw switch >3PDT or 4P2T > >a 4-pole is more common (I think) and that would do just as well >4PDT or 4P2T > >guitar to (EDP in or Filter in) >EDP out to (Filt in or amp) >Filt out to ( amp or EDP in) Are you suggesting I build my own box? How about this one? Pat writes: From: Kandokoro Subject: effect switcher http://www.banzaieffects.com/product.php?productid=17669&cat=458&page=1 I'm not set up to reply to the Looper's list, but thought you might find the Banzai Effects Changer useful as a (relatively) cheap way to change the order of effects. I use it for the simple stuff and it's great. Other options are more versatile but far more expensive: Akai MB76 matrix mixer (7in/6out - out of production for many years) or Switchblade 8 or 16 channel matrix mixers. I also use these units for complex rack mixing. >doesn't the Filter Queen have 2 channels which could be used seperately? No, it's just got L channel and R channel. >A common solution is to buy 2 effects, and put one pre loop, and one post. True, but the effect I'm getting is a discontinued item and a little difficult to get hold of. Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 05:05:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D2CB3BF3D; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=saYgULA7AgPaC0tUuiPgdgw+NcSBmveeEbPvq0E6W17K4j27BvkLKknt/rOE/IwI; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <24682111.1143522341911.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:05:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First of possibly many stupid questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940ffbf8b7e2b9afa0f2904231b7175f8c2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.53 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Mark Indeed, theLooperlative does, from all appearances, sound like the new gold standard of looperistical bliss. Just wondering about one of the points that you made Mark. I know that the RC-20XL has no MIDI sync. But as I'm to understand it, the new RC-50 has sync, unless I am reading the information wrong. Am I not understanding the information as it's presented? It appears that it has a built in drum machine and clock synching capabilities. Just wondering. I am a pretty inexperienced looper and may not understand the capabilities correctly. I am holding out for an EDP myself, but may be forced into considering the RC-50 for monetary considerations. Which is correct? Respectfully, Todd -----Original Message----- >From: mark sottilaro >Sent: Mar 27, 2006 9:45 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: First of possibly many stupid questions > >Wow, that's some procrastination. Didn't the JamMan >hit in the early 90s? The good news is that there's >more choice than ever for a looper. > >I've found that in a line level situation both the EDP >and Repeater have excellent tone, though if you have >the wrong gain stage it's easy to hear Repeater noise. > I've never experienced it. Both are fine, but very >different machines. I never really dug the EDP, yet >it's many people's favorite. > >However, the Looperlative is about to ship and I'm >sure in the next week or so this week will be flooded >with observations. It brags really high quality sound >and a feature set that's pretty unique. (8 stereo >loops at one time, syncronized or not! and MIDI sync) > >so you may want to keep procrastinating for a little >while longer and Give some more thought to what you >want to do with your looper. I've heard that even the >RC-20 and 50 sound great, they're just more limited >and without MIDI sync. > > > >--- Richard Sales wrote: > >> I've never done looping but have done a large ton of >> music for a very >> long time. It's how I make my living. >> >> I've been considering getting into looping live >> guitar (Michael HEdges >> style) since the Jam Man first came out and have >> procrastinated . But >> the time is upon me! So... I want to get a good one >> with very high >> quality audio... and have considered the Gibson >> Echoplex or, if they >> ever get it back out, the Electrix Repeater. There >> are a bunch of >> earlier Gibson Eplexes on ebay, but they are the >> earlier versions. So, >> question is, are the new ones any better than the >> old? Sonically? >> Reliability wise? Memory? >> >> ALso I've heard the footswitches for the Gibson are >> light duty. Is >> true? >> >> I'm going to use it for very high end acoustic >> guitars with K&K >> Powermix Trinity pickups (deadly beautiful) and a >> resonator with a >> Schatten in it (also killer). So the sound quality >> is critical. I've >> heard the Repeater's sound is not as good as the >> Gibson. I'll probably >> also use it in my studio. >> >> I'm not real interested in MIDI implementation or >> tweaking sounds (I >> don't think). I have stuff that will do that in my >> studio already. >> >> Am I looking in the right place? Are these answers >> more easily found >> elsewhere? I've scoured the loopers delight web >> site and while the >> answers are almost there, I still need more data. >> >> thanks for your patience >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 05:18:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1DF03BF3D; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Jv3dhZ1RKaW4tbgpFuyRRGuA0W008Tqwitl3eROm8I3WC0CNbqZa1zBRXmB8VzkqaCu07X+AO9WiCo6D/hIhSB1dCwil02Er6Y00hEFz4nmdxTXHWVCWqFj3uAnX5qGvjCXfwowML+L09m09DFaauEO5rdIq9QcB1NLPWhGEb/4= Message-ID: <64b81a780603272118k5d82e8b5sebfabe45feeb7c62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:18:35 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop orchestra In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15134_29382948.1143523115539" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:18:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15134_29382948.1143523115539 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I guess you read Wired too? I just finished downloading all of their sampl= e tracks and will be listening shortly. After seeing the brief article on PLOrk in Wired I went out cruising their website and found lots of interesting electronic music geekdom. Makes me want to try to get into Princeton. ;) I'll second jondrums' recommendation to check the site out. Very apropos for many members of this list. Todd On 3/27/06, jondrums wrote: > > check this out! > > http://plork.cs.princeton.edu/ > > if anyone is in the area, I'd love to hear how the show goes. > Jon > > ------=_Part_15134_29382948.1143523115539 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I guess you read Wired too?  I just finished downloading all of their sample tracks and will be listening shortly.  After seeing the brief article on PLOrk in Wired I went out cruising their website and found lots of interesting electronic music geekdom.  Makes me want to try to get into Princeton.  ;)

I'll second jondrums' recommendation to check the site out.  Very apro= pos for many members of this list.

Todd

On 3/27/06, jondrums <jondru= ms@hotmail.com> wrote:
check this out!

http://pl= ork.cs.princeton.edu/

if anyone is in the area, I'd love to hear= how the show goes.
Jon


------=_Part_15134_29382948.1143523115539-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 05:24:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F27B63BF55; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=a5WibkQV1IQwungYmSZTPwWo4GT1+fv54+8aTquuWN6Dg1NXquKx8CTthSTpnvdJDQOzQEIOgGtpZni5Ka5TwHu1y2gEL9poi2m2/PF+U0k5Wf6QhoXEu+WNchTZ6/PVSG+l3/TVmNxgvM8ks3KMmsElN5RgXZlBoCbf+BuG5Qk= Message-ID: <64b81a780603272124y2c771073s2051601309be129b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:24:03 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater In-Reply-To: <2B1767A9.6BAC62DF.59DF470E@netscape.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15234_7764889.1143523443541" References: <2B1767A9.6BAC62DF.59DF470E@netscape.net> Resent-Message-ID: <2XHHjC.A.ViG.0hMKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:24:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15234_7764889.1143523443541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, and I think Behringer has to be up there in the top 3-5 of all time worst manuals. I have a strong suspicion that the FCB manual, in particular, was actually written as a sort of sadistic logic puzzle akin to a Rubik's Cube...covered in razor blades. :) Todd On 3/27/06, Tony Douglas wrote: > > I read Claude's post as being slightly ironic, meself. I hope it was - I > studiously avoid manuals except where thoroughly necessary. Having battle= d > through Yamaha's "Mysteries of the DX7" and Roland's "101 Things You'll W= ish > You Knew About the GR50", I've sworn off them for life ! > > - Tony > > ------=_Part_15234_7764889.1143523443541 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, and I think Behringer has to be up there in the top 3-5 of all time worst manuals.  I have a strong suspicion that the FCB manual, in particular, was actually written as a sort of sadistic logic puzzle akin to a Rubik's Cube...covered in razor blades.  :)

Todd


On 3/27/06, Tony Douglas <= TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net> wrote:
I read Claude's post as being slightly ironic, meself. I hope it was - I studiously avoid manuals except where thoroughly necessary. Having battled through Yamaha's "Mysteries of the DX7" and Roland's &quo= t;101 Things You'll Wish You Knew About the GR50", I've sworn off them for life !

- Tony


------=_Part_15234_7764889.1143523443541-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 06:26:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5CD93BF41; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060327222229.01ac7cc0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:25:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Filter-Looper Swapping In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060327122351.0281f700@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060327060210.D2C923BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060327122351.0281f700@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:26:01 +0000 (UTC) At 03:42 AM 3/27/2006, Andy wrote: >Kevin says >>In other words I'll want two signal paths that I can switch between >>with a single pedal-press: >> >>1. Guitar-->Effects-->Filter-->EDP-->Amp >> >>2. Guitar-->Effects-->EDP-->Filter-->Amp > >that's a 3-pole double throw switch >3PDT or 4P2T > >a 4-pole is more common (I think) and that would do just as well >4PDT or 4P2T Hmm. If I was to build one, I'd also need three fan-ins: one for the amp, one for the EDP and one for the Filter. That would majorly suck tone unless I had the right resistance, wouldn't it? I can't be the only person who's run into this. Doesn't anyone sell something like this? Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 06:27:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABE8B3BF3D; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Laptop orchestra Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:27:10 +0200 Message-ID: <007701c65230$a5631600$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcZSLbllIdA/BKuPRWCxhaP4tp3HOAAAsuJQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:27:19 +0000 (UTC) > From: jondrums [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com] > check this out! > http://plork.cs.princeton.edu/ > if anyone is in the area, I'd love to hear how the show goes. wonderful, thanks for the link ... the sound samples sound promising. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 08:15:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9200E3BF4E; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:15:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAAN4KESBaYYVLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060328090220.0282b910@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:12:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Quick question about Vortex In-Reply-To: <20060327224756.5DF2A3BF36@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060327224756.5DF2A3BF36@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:15:16 +0000 (UTC) >With ShadowA I got the same behavior as Mark: one side out only (I >assume it was the left, but can't remember how I have things wired >up just now.) This is very easy for me to spot with the Vortex as >my piezos go through one side, my magnetics through the other and >they have very different tonal qualities. On ShadowA I only got >magnetics (spread to both L&R outputs, I believe). Switching to >piezos resulted in no sound at all. Right, so Vortex is taking just one input and sending it to both sides. I'd understood Mark's comments differently, but you're also saying "one side out only", so I guess that's a match ;-) (originally I interpreted that as hearing sound from one speaker only) probably Mark is happily playing now and ignoring us. >As you say, this is very strange. I wouldn't have expected this at >all and the manual makes no mention of it and in fact implies just >the opposite. I'm willing to label this a Vortex bug as I can't >imagine it was designed this way. Wonder what happens if Shadow A is put into a different register. So far, I didn't find a complex piece of gear without bugs. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 08:36:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE6343BF4C; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060328003228.04399770@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:36:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: First of possibly many stupid questions In-Reply-To: <24682111.1143522341911.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <24682111.1143522341911.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9alzl.A.XoF.mWPKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:36:54 +0000 (UTC) At 09:05 PM 3/27/2006, Todd Howell wrote: >Just wondering about one of the points that you made Mark. I know that the >RC-20XL has no MIDI sync. But as I'm to understand it, the new RC-50 has >sync, unless I am reading the information wrong. that's correct, the RC-50 has midi sync in and out. So does the new Electro-Harmonix 2880 multi-track looper. Nobody knows yet how well sync works in either case. It's not clear whether any of these are really shipping yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 08:42:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8B8F3BF58; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAAt/KESBaYYVLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060328093605.028299e0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:40:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Filter-Looper Swapping In-Reply-To: <20060328081517.3B7893BF58@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060328081517.3B7893BF58@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:42:18 +0000 (UTC) At 09:15 28/03/06, you wrote: >At 03:42 AM 3/27/2006, Andy wrote: >>>In other words I'll want two signal paths that I can switch >>>between with a single pedal-press: >>>1. Guitar-->Effects-->Filter-->EDP-->Amp >>>2. Guitar-->Effects-->EDP-->Filter-->Amp >> >>that's a 3-pole double throw switch >>3PDT or 4P2T >> >>a 4-pole is more common (I think) and that would do just as well >>4PDT or 4P2T >> >>guitar to (EDP in or Filter in) >>EDP out to (Filt in or amp) >>Filt out to ( amp or EDP in) > >Are you suggesting I build my own box? sure, it would be cheaper, even if you have to buy a soldering iron. > How about this one? > >Pat writes: > >From: Kandokoro >Subject: effect switcher > >http://www.banzaieffects.com/product.php?productid=17669&cat=458&page=1 that looks perfect, andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 08:48:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2AB93BF61; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:48:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CABWGKESBaYYVLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060328094132.0282e8e0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:45:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Filter-Looper Swapping In-Reply-To: <20060328081517.3B7893BF58@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060328081517.3B7893BF58@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:48:03 +0000 (UTC) At 09:15 28/03/06, you wrote: >Hmm. If I was to build one, I'd also need three fan-ins: one for >the amp, one for the EDP and one for the Filter. That would majorly >suck tone unless I had the right resistance, wouldn't it? ??? what's a fan-in Using the switch would be equivalent to the highly desirable "True Bypass" option that is recommended for stomp boxes. That nice box that was recommended to you will almost certainly contain the switch that I described. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 09:21:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB9393BF62; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=a8jOvHFbIYYr/jAiHe4Rn1NNGEd21fPmJBKeQ8L3jwkeFMb5+yuADAwqpK89Yjp+yiD5XcgjwzNSgM1xdMmx9zk7MRdgGqLp32NwpXNIO8aG2ZLEAgYpY8lCSwfp4WBBWhIu/PddbVJy/fT/UWuzVEfbEHhWu+m2PSqAOBBG7PE= In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060328003228.04399770@loopers-delight.com> References: <24682111.1143522341911.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20060328003228.04399770@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8DF3FBB4-1ED6-407F-90AA-910927874B3F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Roland RC-50 (was: First of possibly many stupid questions) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:20:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:21:01 +0000 (UTC) > At 09:05 PM 3/27/2006, Todd Howell wrote: >> Just wondering about one of the points that you made Mark. I know >> that the RC-20XL has no MIDI sync. But as I'm to understand it, >> the new RC-50 has sync, unless I am reading the information wrong. On 28 mar 2006, at 10.36, Kim Flint wrote: > that's correct, the RC-50 has midi sync in and out. So does the new > Electro-Harmonix 2880 multi-track looper. Nobody knows yet how well > sync works in either case. > > It's not clear whether any of these are really shipping yet. > > kim Hi, One minute ago I was talking to Roland Scandinavia and was told that the RC-50 will ship to Sweden on may 23d. Since they ship from Japan I would guess that date will be more or less the same all over the planet. That's one month later than the scheduled delivery. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 10:05:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20B233BF59; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:05:42 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: European power adapter (was: how to blow up your equipment) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <04B16D8D.19BBBCF3.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 212.219.247.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <_I-scB.A.nHB.6pQKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:05:47 +0000 (UTC) I think electromechanical stuff, like motor drives, could be affected by this. I seem to remember reading that the motors in at least some mellotrons took particular exception to receiving the wrong frequency. - Tony __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 10:34:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C24AE3BF68; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002901c65253$45df8ec0$2c032052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <67ab0ab87e8f818b4c7832c9be3a52e4@pfmentum.com> <216F316E-D921-454F-83C9-8D131B154AE8@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: looking for: a cheap portable digital audio recorder Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:35:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi, The trouble is that you don't say what "cheap" means for you - neither do you say which "non-cheap" models that you've seen that might help us. Whether cheap or expensive, I have an Edirol R-1 (about £300). It records to Compact Flash cards (although only comes with a tiny one). it has built in effects (including various "mastering" programmes which are multiband compressors, it also has a limiter which is additional to the effects. It records directly to WAV or various resolutions of MP3. Goes straight into USB and doesn't need any of it's own software. I have a few small gripes: fiddly level control, you can only monitor levels in record pause mode, not when recording, the screen is very faint. But I like mine, I've recorded gigs from the desk and with the built in mics, I use it for recording practices too and loads of other jobs. There's also a similarly priced M-Audio one and a much highr priced Marantz with XLRs and fantom power. I have an Iriver MP3 player which records - IHP120 - but as has already bee said, the built in mic is rubbish+ it picks up hard disk noise, also quite fiddly to work with. Hope this is of some use. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "3nki" <3nki@modaldub.net> To: Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: looking for: a cheap portable digital audio recorder > hello list! > > i am looking for a cheap and portable digital audio recorder. i've seen > some nice ones, but they aren't cheap at all. perhaps some people on the > list have ideas? ;) > > important qualities: > - built-in mic > - USB or Firewire connection to computer > > desirable: > - built-in compression > - decent audio quality > - stereo recording > > thanks for any advice! > > -3nki > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 11:32:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F4813BF69; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ubc0dQwmgWNgoaydE/2663up28QZQA5WkChx2iuO/MLNaTvDCOyYLOz89NP+lokc/bQPeVtAVyYDvaZRB6PVniP+U7QZn0wdOub+nyGx+kVnK/p5DBVLRDNYE6MviU7wi8ocD2nnCvkyIGsGSNwtPE585tPH1663SxCfPEC0tD8= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603280332o15310494k95e98eaec5ed12a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:32:40 +0100 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: European power adapter (was: how to blow up your equipment) In-Reply-To: <15893CC9.2C9554B6.59DF470E@netscape.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <15893CC9.2C9554B6.59DF470E@netscape.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:32:41 +0000 (UTC) On 3/28/06, Tony Douglas wrote: > A quick whiz around Maplin's web site suggests this ... > > http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?TabID=3D1&criteria=3Dus%20transformer= &ModuleNo=3D13358&doy=3D28m3 I have the 300VA model of those that I've used to power US wall warts, and it works fine. For some reason the 200VA one is UKP10 more expensive than the 300VA one, so I bought the cheaper & higher power model. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 11:36:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CDD63BF70; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MEXr5v4HwfwZVoOGVZjGr98rEkc7vY/II6XPbAKQva6uO6JvtEGe109oBoRn8sOiRDhUrlkacK//ItQhJioW4VcwYzQfpMCFXwRF5K5qGbQJ5JcM3ANz4ZjsGqv9e2DV6LxTCoGDsyHdcdtrrOy3GtIeG7uNw95g/I8/iFQ8d9k= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603280336l46cd2778pbeef98b1a29bf179@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:36:29 +0100 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: European power adapter (was: how to blow up your equipment) In-Reply-To: <2327.128.193.37.212.1143512832.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6828D155.130D5C52.59DF470E@netscape.net> <2327.128.193.37.212.1143512832.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:36:30 +0000 (UTC) On 3/28/06, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > Wouldn't buying UK wall warts be a cheaper way to run your US gear than b= uying > a generic transformer? Maplin's 300VA 240->110V transformer is UKP19.99 (US$34.92). At the price some UK distributors charge for replacement PSUs, that's not going to go very far. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 12:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CF323BF78; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [85.210.17.162] X-Originating-Email: [gardunne@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gardunne@hotmail.com From: "gary dunne" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 2880 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:13:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2006 12:13:39.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BDE4820:01C65261] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone Learning a lot from reading the posts on this list. Cheers I've been an RC20 for a long time and am in the middle of upgrading, most likely to a Looperlative. I tried the new Electro Harmonix 2880 in a store here in London over the weekend as I was thinking that it might suit what I want to do. I found the sound on it to be really 'squashed'. It's fine when you just have one loop on each of the four tracks but the minute you start overdubbing, it gets really muddy and the level balance of tracks gets all messed up. Anyone else have any experience of it? Cheers Gary Dunne www.garydunne.com www.myspace.com.garydunne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 13:55:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35A143BF69; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:55:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JzP4Ce7dp3fW0BK+WuPYJObhUeIdhQSjMH/M8yHxSQaQp+UCS/BozZavPoODkgMkn+xsm/p2QX7px0ZgOS83PJGsssPFF8bPzXq/WNsSW/l9l9t3ih9tmfk8noFHD3IcHFJexh9/8MxcAW6R0o9jXRG4KGylZSGnOtev2Ll20Aw= ; Message-ID: <20060328135536.18917.qmail@web37906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:55:36 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: how to blow up your equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5FD46256-939E-45E1-8872-2B911115BF8D@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2036891659-1143554136=:15633" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:55:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-2036891659-1143554136=:15633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit that is unfortunate...its one reason all my gear is battery powered and mobile.its a shame that i cant use the cool tools that dont have this capacity for battery use.if only the dl4 had a 1000 second delay time and feedback controll i would have all i need... luck & good fortune, very scary. Zoe Keating wrote: well, a couple days ago I did just about the worst thing you can do to your gear....I blew it up! in a stupid, jetlagged moment that I won't go into, I plugged my US gear into a UK socket. POOF!! crackle. blue smoke. I realized immediately what I'd just done and cut the power. But it was too late. Luckily I mostly fried the adaptors, and I'm hoping I can replace them when I get back to the US. Some of the gear though, like the Rane SM82, have the most ridiculous adaptors (a phone plug???) and I had to replace them with substitute UK gear. The FCB1010 is dead and gone, but I got another and spent the hour before the show reprogramming it. But...and this made me so happy that I couldn't care less about the other gear... The Repeaters are intelligent and take US or European power. THEY ARE FINE!! Made me so happy that I didn't mind dropping 250 pounds on the rest of the gear. Hooray for my beloved Repeaters. Let me compose and ode to them.... Anyway, I learnt my lesson! Thought I'd pass that little story on to ya'll loopily, Zoe --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-2036891659-1143554136=:15633 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
that is unfortunate...its one reason all my gear is battery powered and mobile.its a shame that i cant use the cool tools that dont have this capacity for battery use.if only the dl4 had a 1000 second delay time and feedback controll i would have all i need...
                      luck & good fortune,
                                                 very scary.
Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> wrote:
well, a couple days ago I did just about the worst thing you can do
to your gear....I blew it up! in a stupid, jetlagged moment that I
won't go into, I plugged my US gear into a UK socket.

POOF!! crackle. blue smoke.

I realized immediately what I'd just done and cut the power. But it
was too late. Luckily I mostly fried the adaptors, and I'm hoping I
can replace them when I get back to the US. Some of the gear though,
like the Rane SM82, have the most ridiculous adaptors (a phone
plug???) and I had to replace them with substitute UK gear. The
FCB1010 is dead and gone, but I got another and spent the hour before
the show reprogramming it.

But...and this made me so happy that I couldn't care less about the
other gear...

The Repeaters are intelligent and take US or European power. THEY ARE
FINE!! Made me so happy that I didn't mind dropping 250 pounds on the
rest of the gear. Hooray for my beloved Repeaters. Let me compose and
ode to them....

Anyway, I learnt my lesson! Thought I'd pass that little story on to
ya'll

loopily, Zoe


New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-2036891659-1143554136=:15633-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 14:22:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C8F83BF6D; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FHv34aL5Sm9BDWQIqra2z0GVi2QS3buJ7zDLh5SpyVilwtJ3oR/Sxll/YnAArZtr8FMf5VHWZtRVvAaGtofCryQ9NFdTbIkVpzSW6ALYf9WfJXlqLz1zBgwL5gYvrZVsEygowpHySpUUP8ZD2my0tVICP8RX5TqboA8CSnLqBHc= ; Message-ID: <20060328142158.18084.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:21:58 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: 2880 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:21:59 +0000 (UTC) I had an EH-16 reissue, and I felt the same way. I didn't mind it though, it was part of it's character. Aside from a few missing feature I thought it was a pretty cool box. 90% of the time I'm looking for a more high fidelity sound though and away it went. --- gary dunne wrote: > > Hi everyone > > Learning a lot from reading the posts on this list. > Cheers > > I've been an RC20 for a long time and am in the > middle of upgrading, most > likely to a Looperlative. > > I tried the new Electro Harmonix 2880 in a store > here in London over the > weekend as I was thinking that it might suit what I > want to do. I found the > sound on it to be really 'squashed'. It's fine when > you just have one loop > on each of the four tracks but the minute you start > overdubbing, it gets > really muddy and the level balance of tracks gets > all messed up. Anyone else > have any experience of it? > > Cheers > Gary Dunne > > > www.garydunne.com > www.myspace.com.garydunne > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 15:08:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85A933BF70; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060328044532.56536.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060328044532.56536.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--104927274 Message-Id: <922ae6d034d4dc6ce45e405b06bb7a35@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: First of possibly many stupid questions Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:08:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:08:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--104927274 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Thanks to all! Actually, I think the JamMan was out in the eighties. The reason I procrastinated is because the guitar itself is a lifetime learning thing, and add studio chops, keyboards, MIDI, actual work, family and all the rest, it was a matter of parsing out my commitments. Plus I've only recently started to do much live performance again. It sounds like the Looperlative is the machine for me... assuming there is a foot switch setup that will work with it... and that the price isn't astronomical... and that it isn't too buggy. I'll be watching for reviews of it over the next few weeks. Cool group! It would be sweet if all the emails were collated into one email... but other than that I'm loving it. Peace richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 27-Mar-06, at 8:45 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Wow, that's some procrastination. Didn't the JamMan > hit in the early 90s? The good news is that there's > more choice than ever for a looper. > > I've found that in a line level situation both the EDP > and Repeater have excellent tone, though if you have > the wrong gain stage it's easy to hear Repeater noise. > I've never experienced it. Both are fine, but very > different machines. I never really dug the EDP, yet > it's many people's favorite. > > However, the Looperlative is about to ship and I'm > sure in the next week or so this week will be flooded > with observations. It brags really high quality sound > and a feature set that's pretty unique. (8 stereo > loops at one time, syncronized or not! and MIDI sync) > > so you may want to keep procrastinating for a little > while longer and Give some more thought to what you > want to do with your looper. I've heard that even the > RC-20 and 50 sound great, they're just more limited > and without MIDI sync. > > > > --- Richard Sales wrote: > >> I've never done looping but have done a large ton of >> music for a very >> long time. It's how I make my living. >> >> I've been considering getting into looping live >> guitar (Michael HEdges >> style) since the Jam Man first came out and have >> procrastinated . But >> the time is upon me! So... I want to get a good one >> with very high >> quality audio... and have considered the Gibson >> Echoplex or, if they >> ever get it back out, the Electrix Repeater. There >> are a bunch of >> earlier Gibson Eplexes on ebay, but they are the >> earlier versions. So, >> question is, are the new ones any better than the >> old? Sonically? >> Reliability wise? Memory? >> >> ALso I've heard the footswitches for the Gibson are >> light duty. Is >> true? >> >> I'm going to use it for very high end acoustic >> guitars with K&K >> Powermix Trinity pickups (deadly beautiful) and a >> resonator with a >> Schatten in it (also killer). So the sound quality >> is critical. I've >> heard the Repeater's sound is not as good as the >> Gibson. I'll probably >> also use it in my studio. >> >> I'm not real interested in MIDI implementation or >> tweaking sounds (I >> don't think). I have stuff that will do that in my >> studio already. >> >> Am I looking in the right place? Are these answers >> more easily found >> elsewhere? I've scoured the loopers delight web >> site and while the >> answers are almost there, I still need more data. >> >> thanks for your patience >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-3--104927274 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Thanks to all! Actually, I think the JamMan was out in the eighties. The reason I procrastinated is because the guitar itself is a lifetime learning thing, and add studio chops, keyboards, MIDI, actual work, family and all the rest, it was a matter of parsing out my commitments. Plus I've only recently started to do much live performance again. It sounds like the Looperlative is the machine for me... assuming there is a foot switch setup that will work with it... and that the price isn't astronomical... and that it isn't too buggy. I'll be watching for reviews of it over the next few weeks. Cool group! It would be sweet if all the emails were collated into one email... but other than that I'm loving it. Peace Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 27-Mar-06, at 8:45 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: Wow, that's some procrastination. Didn't the JamMan hit in the early 90s? The good news is that there's more choice than ever for a looper. I've found that in a line level situation both the EDP and Repeater have excellent tone, though if you have the wrong gain stage it's easy to hear Repeater noise. I've never experienced it. Both are fine, but very different machines. I never really dug the EDP, yet it's many people's favorite. However, the Looperlative is about to ship and I'm sure in the next week or so this week will be flooded with observations. It brags really high quality sound and a feature set that's pretty unique. (8 stereo loops at one time, syncronized or not! and MIDI sync) so you may want to keep procrastinating for a little while longer and Give some more thought to what you want to do with your looper. I've heard that even the RC-20 and 50 sound great, they're just more limited and without MIDI sync. --- Richard Sales < wrote: I've never done looping but have done a large ton of music for a very long time. It's how I make my living. I've been considering getting into looping live guitar (Michael HEdges style) since the Jam Man first came out and have procrastinated . But the time is upon me! So... I want to get a good one with very high quality audio... and have considered the Gibson Echoplex or, if they ever get it back out, the Electrix Repeater. There are a bunch of earlier Gibson Eplexes on ebay, but they are the earlier versions. So, question is, are the new ones any better than the old? Sonically? Reliability wise? Memory? ALso I've heard the footswitches for the Gibson are light duty. Is true? I'm going to use it for very high end acoustic guitars with K&K Powermix Trinity pickups (deadly beautiful) and a resonator with a Schatten in it (also killer). So the sound quality is critical. I've heard the Repeater's sound is not as good as the Gibson. I'll probably also use it in my studio. I'm not real interested in MIDI implementation or tweaking sounds (I don't think). I have stuff that will do that in my studio already. Am I looking in the right place? Are these answers more easily found elsewhere? I've scoured the loopers delight web site and while the answers are almost there, I still need more data. thanks for your patience richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-3--104927274-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 15:58:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B8A23BF75; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060328074941.01a57a48@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:58:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re:Filter-Looper Swapping In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060328094132.0282e8e0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060328081517.3B7893BF58@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060328094132.0282e8e0@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:58:50 +0000 (UTC) At 12:45 AM 3/28/2006, Andy wrote: >At 09:15 28/03/06, I wrote: >>Hmm. If I was to build one, I'd also need three fan-ins: one for >>the amp, one for the EDP and one for the Filter. That would >>majorly suck tone unless I had the right resistance, wouldn't it? > >??? what's a fan-in In this case its two lines into one line for the inputs into the EDP, Filter and Amp, each of which have only one input. Something like this: in-----+ |----out in-----+ When I've done this in the past if I'm on one of the "in" lines and the other "in" line has less resistance than the "out" line, there's a huge drop in signal in the out line. Not sure what to due about that really. Would a couple of resistors on the ins take care of the problem? Thanks, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 16:01:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F21E3BF78; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:02:54 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: tuba loopage example/samples Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Raw work in progress on an as-yet-unnamed project that I thought I'd share: I'm working with a tuba player, live looping and effects processing the loops I'm capturing from a mic inside the bell of his tuba. This is not finished, we're still exploring the range of sounds we can get from a tuba with and without processing. http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_1_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_2_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_3_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 Ok, gear babble: In summary, I have one looper device at the top of the signal chain, then lots of effects, then three loopers at the end of the signal chain. Sometimes capturing at the top then processing and passing it to an end-of-chain looper, sometimes tweaking the processing and capturing in an end looper. * mic'd tuba > (instrument) * Akai Headrush E1 > (upstream looper) * Z-Vex Seek Wah > Z-Vex Ooh Wah > Z-Vex Seek Trem > Moogerfooger lowpass filter > MF ring mod > MF phaser > MF MuRF > MF Bass MuRF > MF analog delay (104) > MF analog delay (104SD) > H&K Replex > (effects block) * E-H 16 sec digital delay reissue > Digitech Jamman > Boss RC-20 (non-XL) > (three downstream loopers) amp (duh :) ) What's not captured in the above samples is his live playing and soloing over the looped and processed samples. later, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 16:19:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1E2F3BF78; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <002901c65253$45df8ec0$2c032052@customer3530f5> References: <67ab0ab87e8f818b4c7832c9be3a52e4@pfmentum.com> <216F316E-D921-454F-83C9-8D131B154AE8@modaldub.net> <002901c65253$45df8ec0$2c032052@customer3530f5> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <41DFDA3D-9661-4018-BBD0-70B0FD35A79D@modaldub.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: looking for: a cheap portable digital audio recorder Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:18:57 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:19:02 +0000 (UTC) hi, first off, thanks Ian and Art for your comments and suggestions. i =20 think the one Art mentions is more what i am looking for. i've seen =20 various models i can't recall at the moment that seemed great, but =20 they're usually over $500, sometimes even over $1,000. that's just =20 too much for what i am considering. i did see something just now that =20= looks pretty good: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/HiFi/A/V/Equipment/Home/Audio?=20 sku=3D244762 a Sony Pro MZ-M10 Hi-MD Portable Audio Recorder. it comes with a good =20= stereo mic, records a gig on removable media, has high quality/=20 fidelity, is physically small and, being Sony, most likely well-made. =20= and it's only $300. still, i was really think of something under =20 $150, much closer to what Art mentions. i am living in Brazil and =20 want to have something i wouldn't be too upset about loosing or =20 having stolen, that i can carry around and whip out when, as often =20 happens, i am surprised by some great music or ambient sounds. and of =20= course it would be much nicer if there was a digital out, as opposed =20 to analog, so i could dump to computer easily for clean-up and/or =20 manipulation of the recordings. i have seen Olympus and others with sub-$100 audio recorders, but =20 often they don't have either a digital connection or even half-way =20 decent sound resolution. another option is a digital camera or =20 cellphone, which often record pretty decent audio and have a digital =20 connection, but these are usually too expensive - i.e, i wouldn't =20 want to flash one around in many of the places i am thinking of =20 recording. so thanks again for the tips and ideas! i'll let you know what i end =20 up with and how it works out ;) -3nki On Mar 28, 2006, at 7:35 AM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > Hi, > > The trouble is that you don't say what "cheap" means for you - =20 > neither do you say which "non-cheap" models that you've seen that =20 > might help us. > > Whether cheap or expensive, I have an Edirol R-1 (about =A3300). It =20= > records to Compact Flash cards (although only comes with a tiny =20 > one). it has built in effects (including various "mastering" =20 > programmes which are multiband compressors, it also has a limiter =20 > which is additional to the effects. It records directly to WAV or =20 > various resolutions of MP3. Goes straight into USB and doesn't need =20= > any of it's own software. I have a few small gripes: fiddly level =20 > control, you can only monitor levels in record pause mode, not when =20= > recording, the screen is very faint. But I like mine, I've recorded =20= > gigs from the desk and with the built in mics, I use it for =20 > recording practices too and loads of other jobs. > > There's also a similarly priced M-Audio one and a much highr priced =20= > Marantz with XLRs and fantom power. > > I have an Iriver MP3 player which records - IHP120 - but as has =20 > already bee said, the built in mic is rubbish+ it picks up hard =20 > disk noise, also quite fiddly to work with. > > Hope this is of some use. > > Ian. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "3nki" <3nki@modaldub.net> > To: > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 8:43 PM > Subject: looking for: a cheap portable digital audio recorder > > >> hello list! >> >> i am looking for a cheap and portable digital audio recorder. =20 >> i've seen some nice ones, but they aren't cheap at all. perhaps =20 >> some people on the list have ideas? ;) >> >> important qualities: >> - built-in mic >> - USB or Firewire connection to computer >> >> desirable: >> - built-in compression >> - decent audio quality >> - stereo recording >> >> thanks for any advice! >> >> -3nki >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 17:00:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B6FA3BF6C; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nHlDDcNB9Pb4LSGTiWMtz1HriuatuAXQOf/1cgWiHQ7fG8sDbavv/X+WCHkdj2rPbWZmM2y5wgywVUHuwTferrmoOL1CWiX6syb0VbMm2MzYMP4f4muPnFI9hListO2qYGIuCjTqwdNYBenI9EB6j2cOWQwahNim7VSIlCpS9lA= ; Message-ID: <20060328170041.38844.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:00:41 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: looking for: a cheap portable digital audio recorder To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2101999350-1143565241=:33841" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:00:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-2101999350-1143565241=:33841 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I first sent this just to 3nki about portable audio recorders but then thought that other people might be interested in it - I'm on the phonography list-serv and questions about portable recorders comes up all the time - http://www.phonography.org/contact.htm. I'd pass along some info but I only really pay attention to postings of sound samples or when they're talking about microphones. Feel free to join up and ask the group's opinion. ted harms --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-2101999350-1143565241=:33841 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
I first sent this just to 3nki about portable audio recorders but then thought that other people might be interested in it -
I'm on the phonography list-serv and questions about portable recorders comes up all the time - http://www.phonography.org/contact.htm. 
 
I'd pass along some info but I only really pay attention to postings of sound samples or when they're talking about microphones.
 
Feel free to join up and ask the group's opinion.
 
 
ted harms

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Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-2101999350-1143565241=:33841-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 17:01:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 302823BF7A; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Filter-Looper Swapping Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:05:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <8SYaZC.A.XPE.xvWKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:01:37 +0000 (UTC) I don't have advice on how to achieve the routing you are after, but another fun thing to do in this sort of setup if you've got a little signal flexibility is to get an Electrix EQ Killer and put it after the EDP to selectively drop out frequency bands in the loop. I'm not sure that's feasible in a straight-line loop signal flow, however. Mark On Mar 26, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Kevin wrote: > I've ordered an Electrix Filter Queen for my "cheap guitar synth". > No MIDI control but it does have an expression pedal in. > > Thank you Andy for the idea of using a filter plus distortion and > thanks to everybody else who sent me suggestions. That's what I > really like about this list. The idea never would have occurred to > me on my own. > > While I wait for the Electrix, I'm reviewing my signal chain and > I've realized that I'll want to put the Filter Queen both pre and > post looper and be able to switch between the two. > > In other words I'll want two signal paths that I can switch between > with a single pedal-press: > > 1. Guitar-->Effects-->Filter-->EDP-->Amp > > 2. Guitar-->Effects-->EDP-->Filter-->Amp > > I've been looking at the inputs and outputs and drawing diagrams > but I can't figure out how to switch the positions in the signal > chain between the EDP and the FilterQueen with a single pedal > press. I do have two inputs on the amp. > > Can anybody help me with my signal routing conundrum? As always, > I'm careful with the pennies I earn from playing music so a cheap > solution is preferred. > > Thanks for your help! > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 17:11:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B2803BF7B; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:11:43 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Filter-Looper Swapping References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Kevin, Have you looked at the Sound Sculpture Switchblade? It can do what you're asking - but it's expensive: http://www.soundsculpture.com/ Mark Hamburg wrote: > I don't have advice on how to achieve the routing you are after, but > another fun thing to do in this sort of setup if you've got a little > signal flexibility is to get an Electrix EQ Killer and put it after > the EDP to selectively drop out frequency bands in the loop. I'm not > sure that's feasible in a straight-line loop signal flow, however. > > Mark > > On Mar 26, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Kevin wrote: > >> I've ordered an Electrix Filter Queen for my "cheap guitar synth". >> No MIDI control but it does have an expression pedal in. >> >> Thank you Andy for the idea of using a filter plus distortion and >> thanks to everybody else who sent me suggestions. That's what I >> really like about this list. The idea never would have occurred to >> me on my own. >> >> While I wait for the Electrix, I'm reviewing my signal chain and >> I've realized that I'll want to put the Filter Queen both pre and >> post looper and be able to switch between the two. >> >> In other words I'll want two signal paths that I can switch between >> with a single pedal-press: >> >> 1. Guitar-->Effects-->Filter-->EDP-->Amp >> >> 2. Guitar-->Effects-->EDP-->Filter-->Amp >> >> I've been looking at the inputs and outputs and drawing diagrams but >> I can't figure out how to switch the positions in the signal chain >> between the EDP and the FilterQueen with a single pedal press. I do >> have two inputs on the amp. >> >> Can anybody help me with my signal routing conundrum? As always, >> I'm careful with the pennies I earn from playing music so a cheap >> solution is preferred. >> >> Thanks for your help! >> >> Cheers, >> Kevin >> >> The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music >> www.TheNettles.com >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 17:27:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59B9D3BF81; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAJ79KESBaYYWLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060328180033.02d8ed20@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:24:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re:Filter-Looper Swapping In-Reply-To: <20060328161903.613D33BF81@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060328161903.613D33BF81@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:27:03 +0000 (UTC) At 17:19 28/03/06, you wrote: >>??? what's a fan-in > >In this case its two lines into one line for the inputs into the >EDP, Filter and Amp, each of which have only one input. Ah, right. You don't need to worry. All the switching would be done in the box, which would have 6 jack sockets. guitar edp in edp out filter in filter out. amplifier. The one thing that may be tricky is the gain staging. The EDP and Filter Queen are both line level devices, rather than stomp boxes. The EDP has enough gain to amplify the guitar to line level, and has an output volume to reduce the level down to guitar level again. Now, if a) Filter Queen can do that as well and b) you're using a guitar amp input Then everything works out fine. Also, if both FX are in your amp's FX loop things should be fine. If not then it may be tricky, or even impossible, to set the input gains on the edp and filter in such a way that it works "both ways round". I suggest that you try the re-patching just with leads first to find out if you can get the re-ordering to work without having to change the gain on the devices each time you switch. Sorry I didn't think of that before, I always run the guitar thru a pre-amp into the FX at line level and straight to pa. So if it isn't working yet, I'd need to know 1) can you plug guitar straight into Filter queen and get enough gain 2) can you control the output volume of the Filter Queen 3) what kind of amplification are you using then it should still be possible to work something out. andy ps this applies whether you buy a readymade switch, or roll your own. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 18:28:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B6CE3BF69; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060328101901.04df84c0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:28:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: First of possibly many stupid questions In-Reply-To: <922ae6d034d4dc6ce45e405b06bb7a35@glasswing.com> References: <20060328044532.56536.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <922ae6d034d4dc6ce45e405b06bb7a35@glasswing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:28:54 +0000 (UTC) At 07:08 AM 3/28/2006, Richard Sales wrote: >Thanks to all! Actually, I think the JamMan was out in the eighties. the Lexicon JamMan was first announced at Winter NAMM in January 1994. It was discontinued in January 1997. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/jamman/jamman.html >It sounds like the Looperlative is the machine for me... assuming there is >a foot switch setup that will work with it... and that the price isn't >astronomical... and that it isn't too buggy. previously you were talking about the Echoplex, Repeater, the Lexicon JamMan - you seem to be jumping all over the place. All of these loopers are very different from each other, and fit well for different applications and types of users. One doesn't replace another. My advice is that you first figure out what you want to do with a looper, and then determine which looper best fits that use. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 19:13:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7DC83BF78; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KHo6sXBufYCM3yKb666+uAnMdSqsiYSh8OPlbCEV1m9zNylAAbQZgZ4RgiTlnp1Q7iCHzx4Ex0T7WQVrmVYZCy8WymDmzv348yHdNue010mV64hj+MXHZuZrd4CeoQn+UE2dgxcmgUq/JEARcFt7dAw+1p2FhjRpCfWq0WnBUBs= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603281113h5c4b96cdkec7781b4949971af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:13:18 +0100 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Speaking of filters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:13:21 +0000 (UTC) This looks like an interesting new one from MFB http://www.mfberlin.de : http://tinyurl.com/kmlw5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 19:41:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EA993BF78; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:40:01 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> In-Reply-To: <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:41:44 +0000 (UTC) even if I am really surprised by music industry underconsideration conceirning control capabilities, I have been analyzing audio converters' internal audio routing/splitting/mixing capabilities for 2 years now. I use switchblades since many years but, given the growing availability of digital connections on processing hw and the shift from just hardware to mixed setups composed by hw and sw, I think that audio interfaces offer a convenient solution to do this kind of complex audio spaghetti. The problem resides in the midi implementation offered by their manufacturers. None of them ( Rme said that officially and Motu by the mouth of their italian importer) care about making this objects flexible hearts for evoluted signal routing. The most stupid thing is that they all have what they need, it's just a matter of control so, like a famous italian commercial says "power is nothing without control". It's a shame, once again it looks like there are no musicians in the manifacturers' teams. best, luca www.unguitar.com Doug Cox wrote: > Kevin, > > Have you looked at the Sound Sculpture Switchblade? It can do what > you're asking - but it's expensive: > > http://www.soundsculpture.com/ > > > > Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> I don't have advice on how to achieve the routing you are after, but >> another fun thing to do in this sort of setup if you've got a little >> signal flexibility is to get an Electrix EQ Killer and put it after >> the EDP to selectively drop out frequency bands in the loop. I'm not >> sure that's feasible in a straight-line loop signal flow, however. >> >> Mark >> >> On Mar 26, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Kevin wrote: >> >>> I've ordered an Electrix Filter Queen for my "cheap guitar synth". >>> No MIDI control but it does have an expression pedal in. >>> >>> Thank you Andy for the idea of using a filter plus distortion and >>> thanks to everybody else who sent me suggestions. That's what I >>> really like about this list. The idea never would have occurred to >>> me on my own. >>> >>> While I wait for the Electrix, I'm reviewing my signal chain and >>> I've realized that I'll want to put the Filter Queen both pre and >>> post looper and be able to switch between the two. >>> >>> In other words I'll want two signal paths that I can switch between >>> with a single pedal-press: >>> >>> 1. Guitar-->Effects-->Filter-->EDP-->Amp >>> >>> 2. Guitar-->Effects-->EDP-->Filter-->Amp >>> >>> I've been looking at the inputs and outputs and drawing diagrams >>> but I can't figure out how to switch the positions in the signal >>> chain between the EDP and the FilterQueen with a single pedal >>> press. I do have two inputs on the amp. >>> >>> Can anybody help me with my signal routing conundrum? As always, >>> I'm careful with the pennies I earn from playing music so a cheap >>> solution is preferred. >>> >>> Thanks for your help! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Kevin >>> >>> The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music >>> www.TheNettles.com >>> >>> >> >> > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 20:52:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AE203BF7C; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:52:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <5b0ha.A.wSF.zHaKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:52:04 +0000 (UTC) hi luca, I don't want to be redundant with our private emails: but I thought it=20= worth repeating for the list.....This is one of the reasons I went with=20= Max/MSP....big time flexibility of routing. Inside the max/MSP=20 environment you can freely route/reroute audio paths/controller paths=20 all over the place, making it perfect for hybrid rigs of laptop and=20 other hardware, or pure software. And so many of the guys onboard=20 Cycling 74 (I think all of them) are musicians....at least the ones I=20 know personally: Andrew Pask, Gregory Taylor, Ben Nevile. best regards, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Luca Formentini wrote: > even if I am really surprised by music industry underconsideration=20 > conceirning control capabilities, I have been analyzing audio=20 > converters' internal audio routing/splitting/mixing capabilities for 2=20= > years now. > I use switchblades since many years but, given the growing=20 > availability of digital connections on processing hw and the shift=20 > from just hardware to mixed setups composed by hw and sw, I think that=20= > audio interfaces offer a convenient solution to do this kind of=20 > complex audio spaghetti. > The problem resides in the midi implementation offered by their=20 > manufacturers. None of them ( Rme said that officially and Motu by the=20= > mouth of their italian importer) care about making this objects=20 > flexible hearts for evoluted signal routing. > The most stupid thing is that they all have what they need, it's just=20= > a matter of control so, like a famous italian commercial says "power=20= > is nothing without control". > It's a shame, once again it looks like there are no musicians in the=20= > manifacturers' teams. > best, > luca > www.unguitar.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 21:05:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 797FA3BF83; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <4429A4C2.2080509@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:04:02 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff, I am absolutely in tune with you and I'm sorry if I've been unclear. I was referring to the poor facts I am discovering during the last days, seeing how many sw/hw producers are softly sitting on really cheap solutions ( like using the mackie control protocol) instead of uptodate open midi structures. max/MSP is a great sw and will be the first I will try to install ( the others on the list are audiomulch and reaktor) on my sw looping setup but I was referring to the converter's native sw mixer (see Rme's totalmix and Motu's one). If they just tried to make one step more we would have wonderful power available in many audio cards, residing in their internal sw. I get crazy when m.i. producers stop their development just one step before the available potential. Thanks again for your kind care, best, Luca Jeff Kaiser wrote: > hi luca, > > I don't want to be redundant with our private emails: but I thought it > worth repeating for the list.....This is one of the reasons I went > with Max/MSP....big time flexibility of routing. Inside the max/MSP > environment you can freely route/reroute audio paths/controller paths > all over the place, making it perfect for hybrid rigs of laptop and > other hardware, or pure software. And so many of the guys onboard > Cycling 74 (I think all of them) are musicians....at least the ones I > know personally: Andrew Pask, Gregory Taylor, Ben Nevile. > best regards, > Jeff > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Luca Formentini wrote: > >> even if I am really surprised by music industry underconsideration >> conceirning control capabilities, I have been analyzing audio >> converters' internal audio routing/splitting/mixing capabilities for >> 2 years now. >> I use switchblades since many years but, given the growing >> availability of digital connections on processing hw and the shift >> from just hardware to mixed setups composed by hw and sw, I think >> that audio interfaces offer a convenient solution to do this kind of >> complex audio spaghetti. >> The problem resides in the midi implementation offered by their >> manufacturers. None of them ( Rme said that officially and Motu by >> the mouth of their italian importer) care about making this objects >> flexible hearts for evoluted signal routing. >> The most stupid thing is that they all have what they need, it's just >> a matter of control so, like a famous italian commercial says "power >> is nothing without control". >> It's a shame, once again it looks like there are no musicians in the >> manifacturers' teams. >> best, >> luca >> www.unguitar.com > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 21:11:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15E033BF7A; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b901c652ac$3e7c1690$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: anyone who has tried to contact Rick Walker lately Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:11:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <8Tb30B.A.sdG.caaKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:11:57 +0000 (UTC) It has just come to my attention that I may have lost a lot of emails over the past few weeks because apparently I was not recieving mail at my rickwalker(at)looppool(dot)info address it didn't affect the emails sent to looppool(at)cruzio(dot)com If you sent me something in the past few weeks to that address from this list or privately, would you please resend it. A whole bunch of emails disappeared into the ether. Thanks, and my apologies for the lack of communication. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 21:19:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53CF03BF8C; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 207.215.251.146 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: pukunui Message-ID: <4429A857.30002@theokcorral.net> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:19:19 -0800 From: Wyatt User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> <4429A4C2.2080509@unguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <4429A4C2.2080509@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:19:52 +0000 (UTC) > I was referring to the poor facts I am discovering during the last days, > seeing how many sw/hw producers are softly sitting on really cheap solutions > ( like using the mackie control protocol) instead of uptodate open midi structures. I agree. FWIW, RME have made details of totalmix ( including source code ) available to anyone who has C++ chops in the past. There was an external which ran totalmix from MaxMSP in OS9, but it has disappeared in OSX. These days, I think you would have more luck trying to reverse engineer the HUI protocol. There are some things floating around, but the Mackie protocol, as you say, is not all that great a shake in any case. These guys have pretty cool gear http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/default.htm Pricey, but they certainly have a niche, and it's not quite as pricey as programming it yourself on Eventide gear. :) -A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 21:21:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B02F3BF87; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07b301c652ad$8e00ba30$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:21:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.661000 Content: cid=195(1.0) =1.0,Adult word webcam=0.7 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 516, in=264930, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff - I am a fervant fan of Cycling '74. I have Pluggo, which has some amazing tone mangling and standard VST effects, and I plan to buy Hipno soon, which will allow me to morph my effects and parameters with a wave of my had over a motion sensor webcam. Now I am intrigued by Max/MSP. The routing seems great, and sort of reminds me of what I can do in EnergyXT, my VST host program. Now, what I am more curious about it what type of looping you can do with it. What looping tricks can you do? Can you do things like Multiply, Reverse, half-speed, double-speed, overdub, next loop, etc (sorry for the EDP terminology). Kris hi luca, I don't want to be redundant with our private emails: but I thought it worth repeating for the list.....This is one of the reasons I went with Max/MSP....big time flexibility of routing. Inside the max/MSP environment you can freely route/reroute audio paths/controller paths all over the place, making it perfect for hybrid rigs of laptop and other hardware, or pure software. And so many of the guys onboard Cycling 74 (I think all of them) are musicians....at least the ones I know personally: Andrew Pask, Gregory Taylor, Ben Nevile. best regards, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Luca Formentini wrote: > even if I am really surprised by music industry underconsideration > conceirning control capabilities, I have been analyzing audio converters' > internal audio routing/splitting/mixing capabilities for 2 years now. > I use switchblades since many years but, given the growing availability of > digital connections on processing hw and the shift from just hardware to > mixed setups composed by hw and sw, I think that audio interfaces offer a > convenient solution to do this kind of complex audio spaghetti. > The problem resides in the midi implementation offered by their > manufacturers. None of them ( Rme said that officially and Motu by the > mouth of their italian importer) care about making this objects flexible > hearts for evoluted signal routing. > The most stupid thing is that they all have what they need, it's just a > matter of control so, like a famous italian commercial says "power is > nothing without control". > It's a shame, once again it looks like there are no musicians in the > manifacturers' teams. > best, > luca > www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 21:25:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A0513BF8C; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4429A4C2.2080509@unguitar.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> <4429A4C2.2080509@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <9b1c3d6e1f9802dccb6ba1cf291d868d@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:24:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Yup, I agree, it is a bummer about the control protocol....there has=20 got to be a way to get around that to route midi to CueMix or totalmix=20= somehow, I just haven't tried, maybe that will be a weekend=20 project....or summer project.... best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 28, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi Jeff, > I am absolutely in tune with you and I'm sorry if I've been unclear. > I was referring to the poor facts I am discovering during the last=20 > days, seeing how many sw/hw producers are softly sitting on really=20 > cheap solutions ( like using the mackie control protocol) instead of=20= > uptodate open midi structures. > max/MSP is a great sw and will be the first I will try to install (=20 > the others on the list are audiomulch and reaktor) on my sw looping=20 > setup but I was referring to the converter's native sw mixer (see=20 > Rme's totalmix and Motu's one). > If they just tried to make one step more we would have wonderful power=20= > available in many audio cards, residing in their internal sw. > I get crazy when m.i. producers stop their development just one step=20= > before the available potential. > Thanks again for your kind care, > best, > Luca > > Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >> hi luca, >> >> I don't want to be redundant with our private emails: but I thought=20= >> it worth repeating for the list.....This is one of the reasons I went=20= >> with Max/MSP....big time flexibility of routing. Inside the max/MSP=20= >> environment you can freely route/reroute audio paths/controller paths=20= >> all over the place, making it perfect for hybrid rigs of laptop and=20= >> other hardware, or pure software. And so many of the guys onboard=20 >> Cycling 74 (I think all of them) are musicians....at least the ones I=20= >> know personally: Andrew Pask, Gregory Taylor, Ben Nevile. >> best regards, >> Jeff >> >> >> >> Jeff Kaiser >> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >> pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com >> >> On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Luca Formentini wrote: >> >>> even if I am really surprised by music industry underconsideration=20= >>> conceirning control capabilities, I have been analyzing audio=20 >>> converters' internal audio routing/splitting/mixing capabilities for=20= >>> 2 years now. >>> I use switchblades since many years but, given the growing=20 >>> availability of digital connections on processing hw and the shift=20= >>> from just hardware to mixed setups composed by hw and sw, I think=20 >>> that audio interfaces offer a convenient solution to do this kind of=20= >>> complex audio spaghetti. >>> The problem resides in the midi implementation offered by their=20 >>> manufacturers. None of them ( Rme said that officially and Motu by=20= >>> the mouth of their italian importer) care about making this objects=20= >>> flexible hearts for evoluted signal routing. >>> The most stupid thing is that they all have what they need, it's=20 >>> just a matter of control so, like a famous italian commercial says=20= >>> "power is nothing without control". >>> It's a shame, once again it looks like there are no musicians in the=20= >>> manifacturers' teams. >>> best, >>> luca >>> www.unguitar.com >> >> >> . >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 21:37:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2BB53BF96; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <07b301c652ad$8e00ba30$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> <07b301c652ad$8e00ba30$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:37:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:37:06 +0000 (UTC) RE: Looping: I have no idea what "multiply" is, but everything else and=20= more....yes. I will show you in Boise. We can hang with Rick Walker and=20= go over this stuff. I am currently using a looper that is set-up a=20 little differently, maybe I will have my new one ready by then.... The VST object, as I said, allows you to host VST plugins....you can=20 arrange these as you want, BUT the cool thing is to intermix with your=20= own manglers/creations. Not being a programmer, I thought I would never=20= get into, but I have...it is fun. BTW, I was privvy to a private demo of hipno stuff with the=20 webcam.....very hip stuff! Especially cool after a couple of Choir Boys=20= (2 oz grey goose over ice, splash of soda, twist of lime)...frequency=20 specific granulation....d00000d.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 28, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Hi Jeff - I am a fervant fan of Cycling '74. I have Pluggo, which has=20= > some amazing tone mangling and standard VST effects, and I plan to buy=20= > Hipno soon, which will allow me to morph my effects and parameters=20 > with a wave of my had over a motion sensor webcam. > > Now I am intrigued by Max/MSP. The routing seems great, and sort of=20= > reminds me of what I can do in EnergyXT, my VST host program. Now,=20 > what I am more curious about it what type of looping you can do with=20= > it. What looping tricks can you do? Can you do things like Multiply,=20= > Reverse, half-speed, double-speed, overdub, next loop, etc (sorry for=20= > the EDP terminology). > > Kris > > > hi luca, > > I don't want to be redundant with our private emails: but I thought it > worth repeating for the list.....This is one of the reasons I went = with > Max/MSP....big time flexibility of routing. Inside the max/MSP > environment you can freely route/reroute audio paths/controller paths > all over the place, making it perfect for hybrid rigs of laptop and > other hardware, or pure software. And so many of the guys onboard > Cycling 74 (I think all of them) are musicians....at least the ones I > know personally: Andrew Pask, Gregory Taylor, Ben Nevile. > best regards, > Jeff > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > > On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Luca Formentini wrote: > >> even if I am really surprised by music industry underconsideration=20 >> conceirning control capabilities, I have been analyzing audio=20 >> converters' internal audio routing/splitting/mixing capabilities for=20= >> 2 years now. >> I use switchblades since many years but, given the growing=20 >> availability of digital connections on processing hw and the shift=20 >> from just hardware to mixed setups composed by hw and sw, I think=20 >> that audio interfaces offer a convenient solution to do this kind of=20= >> complex audio spaghetti. >> The problem resides in the midi implementation offered by their=20 >> manufacturers. None of them ( Rme said that officially and Motu by=20 >> the mouth of their italian importer) care about making this objects=20= >> flexible hearts for evoluted signal routing. >> The most stupid thing is that they all have what they need, it's just=20= >> a matter of control so, like a famous italian commercial says "power=20= >> is nothing without control". >> It's a shame, once again it looks like there are no musicians in the=20= >> manifacturers' teams. >> best, >> luca >> www.unguitar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 21:44:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 011013BF93; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <4429ADE0.8050605@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:42:56 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> <4429A4C2.2080509@unguitar.com> <9b1c3d6e1f9802dccb6ba1cf291d868d@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: <9b1c3d6e1f9802dccb6ba1cf291d868d@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Dears, Just consider one thing about mackie protocol: assume you want to move fader n. 9 ? you have to switch a "channel bank up" button and so the faders go to channels 9 to 16. There you are in one row of faders, let's think they are the input faders. Want to move to output ones ? Switch "down" somewhere and you go down... Ice on the cake ? You know how they discern from the channel fader ? with midi channels ! smart, no ? Wouldn't it be more simple if any channel could have their own note or controller or whatever or maybe, seing that we are in 2006, a simple midi learn ? the mighty mackie protocol: http://members.aol.com/mhigrules/MCMap.htm crazy. About Switchblade: It is an awesome piece of gear, but why we should collect latency and ad/da convertions when we can have one ad, make all the processing routing via digital (using spdif/optical/aes-ebu/fw) and have the last da at the end ? (assuming we're not using pedals in the routing). . best, luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 21:50:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D32F3BF94; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZPf+dwHKuH/VpgKcBdC6oBcM8XqZVrY+gQEM9s2+IgqlvoOQyPUtk6yhuzdYqRILbj1PueE0qJb9ZVnvKSwXSVCRU2rXPP0LQ7LSfNdgg3nzo+JGjNEefSz97rPIVX9hoYRpTGgxGSXqmqBAsHrQeGAKt1imiEk8a3ncJAKkPLk= ; Message-ID: <20060328215018.4376.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:50:18 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: First of possibly many stupid questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <24682111.1143522341911.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:50:19 +0000 (UTC) What Kim said. I can answer questions about the Repeater and there are lots of people here who can answer questions about their loopers, but the RC-50 and all the other loopers that don't really exist yet I can't speak for. You'll find as much info on the manufacturer's websites as I know... probably more as I don't care about non stereo loopers so I don't pay much attention. --- Todd Howell wrote: > Mark > > Indeed, theLooperlative does, from all appearances, > sound like the new gold standard of looperistical > bliss. Just wondering about one of the points that > you made Mark. I know that the RC-20XL has no MIDI > sync. But as I'm to understand it, the new RC-50 has > sync, unless I am reading the information wrong. Am > I not understanding the information as it's > presented? It appears that it has a built in drum > machine and clock synching capabilities. Just > wondering. I am a pretty inexperienced looper and > may not understand the capabilities correctly. I am > holding out for an EDP myself, but may be forced > into considering the RC-50 for monetary > considerations. Which is correct? > > Respectfully, > > Todd > > -----Original Message----- > >From: mark sottilaro > >Sent: Mar 27, 2006 9:45 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: First of possibly many stupid > questions > > > >Wow, that's some procrastination. Didn't the > JamMan > >hit in the early 90s? The good news is that > there's > >more choice than ever for a looper. > > > >I've found that in a line level situation both the > EDP > >and Repeater have excellent tone, though if you > have > >the wrong gain stage it's easy to hear Repeater > noise. > > I've never experienced it. Both are fine, but > very > >different machines. I never really dug the EDP, > yet > >it's many people's favorite. > > > >However, the Looperlative is about to ship and I'm > >sure in the next week or so this week will be > flooded > >with observations. It brags really high quality > sound > >and a feature set that's pretty unique. (8 stereo > >loops at one time, syncronized or not! and MIDI > sync) > > > >so you may want to keep procrastinating for a > little > >while longer and Give some more thought to what you > >want to do with your looper. I've heard that even > the > >RC-20 and 50 sound great, they're just more limited > >and without MIDI sync. > > > > > > > >--- Richard Sales wrote: > > > >> I've never done looping but have done a large ton > of > >> music for a very > >> long time. It's how I make my living. > >> > >> I've been considering getting into looping live > >> guitar (Michael HEdges > >> style) since the Jam Man first came out and have > >> procrastinated . But > >> the time is upon me! So... I want to get a good > one > >> with very high > >> quality audio... and have considered the Gibson > >> Echoplex or, if they > >> ever get it back out, the Electrix Repeater. > There > >> are a bunch of > >> earlier Gibson Eplexes on ebay, but they are the > >> earlier versions. So, > >> question is, are the new ones any better than the > >> old? Sonically? > >> Reliability wise? Memory? > >> > >> ALso I've heard the footswitches for the Gibson > are > >> light duty. Is > >> true? > >> > >> I'm going to use it for very high end acoustic > >> guitars with K&K > >> Powermix Trinity pickups (deadly beautiful) and a > >> resonator with a > >> Schatten in it (also killer). So the sound > quality > >> is critical. I've > >> heard the Repeater's sound is not as good as the > >> Gibson. I'll probably > >> also use it in my studio. > >> > >> I'm not real interested in MIDI implementation or > >> tweaking sounds (I > >> don't think). I have stuff that will do that in > my > >> studio already. > >> > >> Am I looking in the right place? Are these > answers > >> more easily found > >> elsewhere? I've scoured the loopers delight web > >> site and while the > >> answers are almost there, I still need more data. > >> > >> thanks for your patience > >> > >> richard sales > >> glassWing farm and studio > >> vancouver island, b.c. > >> 800.545.6846 > >> 250.752.4816 > >> www.glassWing.com > >> www.richardsales.com > >> www.hayleysales.com > >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 21:51:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84FEA3BF91; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=oUaa9QZfQEFd4cRmDjn82VRKpY/FNo4h/mDyK61SNgyxsE1LvKEXBZ+MUPqZhdYk/t6nB68Brw28XtMgSyJKbZrYOlHUuLFp+sqqcy7l7Tnsh5xrjldbLLX5h5hPfdpictIy8FlMWfZkbqmLRvcwtPZWmuQyyYVxmNLVdT4lxz8= In-Reply-To: <07b301c652ad$8e00ba30$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> <07b301c652ad$8e00ba30$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <621123D2-D920-4073-952B-8BDBC5F3135E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:50:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:51:02 +0000 (UTC) > On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Luca Formentini wrote: >> >> The problem resides in the midi implementation offered by their >> manufacturers. None of them ( Rme said that officially and Motu by >> the mouth of their italian importer) care about making this >> objects flexible hearts for evoluted signal routing. >> The most stupid thing is that they all have what they need, it's >> just a matter of control so, like a famous italian commercial says >> "power is nothing without control". >> It's a shame, once again it looks like there are no musicians in >> the manifacturers' teams. Here's another two cent: The market is more about business than about art, that's just the way it is. I'm sure all the musicians working with those companies do speak out, but the truth is that their wishes are not not targeted towards a prosperous market, business-wise. On the other hand there is MAX/msp that has been in use for 16, something, years for the purpose of controlling audio, light and whatever used in a artistic performance. I'm no MAX wiz myself, but as far as I have understood you pretty much have to design your own patch to get looping with it. The fact that has been keeping me away from getting into MAX is that every user I know is so very interested in PROGRAMMING IN MAX! ;-)) That's not my interest, I just want to mace music right away. And that's why I stick to Mobius these days. It's being developed at a very high speed and there is a growing user community of musicians that are not very interested in programming - just like me ;-)) So I don't feel alone when asking for "easy, powerful and intuitive" solutions. And yet, the thing is fully scriptable so if you should catch interest in programming some obscure looping functionality, just for the sake of experimenting, you are free to go ahead and do it right away. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 21:51:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A678C3BFAC; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <07b301c652ad$8e00ba30$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> <07b301c652ad$8e00ba30$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:51:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:51:50 +0000 (UTC) BTW, you could just run mobius as a VST inside of max, which is I=20 imagine what you do with your other VST hosts? Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 28, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Can you do things like Multiply, Reverse, half-speed, double-speed,=20 > overdub, next loop, etc (sorry for the EDP terminology).= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 21:53:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 764053BFAF; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <32060622.1143582829373.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:53:49 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:51 +0000 (UTC) All I can figure is that it must be some unexpected result of CD Baby's Digital Distribution connections. I signed on very early on to the program and they really got their tentacles out there. Not that it has means any increase in sales (Walmart). Heheheh. The only thinmg that would amaze me further would be to get actally get a SALE via their site. That'll be the day.=20 tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- jj 179 wrote:=20 > How the brilliant hell did you manage that?? Amazing. I'm putting an albu= m=20 > out this summer and have been eagerly reading all of the emails about=20 > promotion, distribution, etc - but yours obviously tops them all. Wal-Mar= t=20 > ?? Wow. Hats off to you. >=20 > Thanks, > Jason Joseph > www.palingenesia.net >=20 >=20 > >From: tEd =C3=82=C2=AE kiLLiAn > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT > >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:40:23 -0800 > > > >Jeez-0-pizza > > > >This is really messing with my mind. I just found out that my CD, "Flux= =20 > >Aeterna" is available as a download from Walmart. What's the world comin= g=20 > >to? > > > >See:=20 > > > > > >Talk about an evil empire. I think they may already have won. > > > >tEd =C3=82=C2=AE kiLLiAn > > > >"Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > > >http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > >http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > >http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > >http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > >http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > >http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > >http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&= id=3D121197000042 > > > >Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > >BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > >AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > >RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > >and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > > >---- mark sottilaro wrote: > > > That's great advice for any effects programming. I > > > found I used to do all my tweaking alone just > > > listening to my guitar. Now, I start there, but more > > > often than not I program a "B" version of my sound > > > that's designed to fit in a mix of other instruments. > > > What sounds thin by its self can often be exactly what > > > you want when mixed with drums bass and synths. > > > > > > --- a k butler wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >Speaking of rock gigs, have any of you ever used a > > > > Vortex in a rock > > > > >band, live? I find that many oif the patches that > > > > sound great in the > > > > >living room just disappear amid the bass and drums. > > > > > > > > hi Tim > > > > > > > > I didn't have a problem in a rehearsal studio type > > > > situation, > > > > but if you mean playing with a "professional" pa > > > > then I'd > > > > think about making easy uncomplicated sounds that a > > > > "sound guy" > > > > might be able to live with. > > > > > > > > Generally the fine details of a patch are always > > > > going be somewhat > > > > lost when you blend your guitar with other sounds. > > > > An echo at low > > > > volume will tend to disappear completely. > > > > In any case, what sounds good on solo guitar isn't > > > > always going to > > > > work in a band context. > > > > > > > > the supplied vortex presets are probably worth > > > > avoiding > > > > > > > > Try going for simpler echoes, > > > > turn up the echo volume, and turn down the no. of > > > > repeats. > > > > Use simpler values for echo divide ( like putting > > > > them both =3D 2) > > > > > > > > ...and plenty of Vortex extreme modulation brought > > > > in with the pedal :-) > > > > > > > > andy butler > > > > www.andybutler.com mp3 and home of the Vortex > > > > Database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 21:54:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A41363BFB5; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <4429B044.8060701@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:53:08 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> <07b301c652ad$8e00ba30$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4dBvtC.A.XT.oCbKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:54:48 +0000 (UTC) this would be the trick ;-) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > BTW, you could just run mobius as a VST inside of max, which is I > imagine what you do with your other VST hosts? > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > On Mar 28, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Can you do things like Multiply, Reverse, half-speed, double-speed, >> overdub, next loop, etc (sorry for the EDP terminology). > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 21:59:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE2373BF9B; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07ff01c652b2$ceec0b30$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> <07b301c652ad$8e00ba30$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:58:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 516, in=265008, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <2ZjMJC.A.d3.wGbKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Yes, that is true, at least for EnergyXT, Chainer, and Plogue, which I have. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) BTW, you could just run mobius as a VST inside of max, which is I imagine what you do with your other VST hosts? Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Mar 28, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Can you do things like Multiply, Reverse, half-speed, double-speed, > overdub, next loop, etc (sorry for the EDP terminology). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 22:28:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF2353BFA9; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060328101901.04df84c0@loopers-delight.com> References: <20060328044532.56536.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <922ae6d034d4dc6ce45e405b06bb7a35@glasswing.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060328101901.04df84c0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--78542892 Message-Id: <86c1825e96c3f5019ae7de58c16708ec@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Refining the first of possibly many stupid questions Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:28:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:28:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--78542892 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > previously you were talking about the Echoplex, Repeater, the Lexicon > JamMan - you seem to be jumping all over the place. All of these > loopers are very different from each other, and fit well for different > applications and types of users. One doesn't replace another. My > advice is that you first figure out what you want to do with a looper, > and then determine which looper best fits that use. Thanks Kim! You obviously know a ton more about this than I do... so I'm grateful for your input. What I want to do is be able to play (solo acoustic guitar) a line or figure, have it repeat, and play over it - overdubbing more layers of guitar. I might need to be able to have different length loops. I can do all of this in the studio handily. It's LIVE I'm looking to use the looper for. So I need reliable foot switching. But really, compared with what you all are talking about I think my needs are VERY simple! I can sort of do this with my old tape Echoplex, or Effectrons etc, but they don't do the auto trim of loops... and they sound funky - which is useful for some apps but I need a clean sound first and foremost so I can use it on acoustic guitar - not distorted or effected other than maybe the Dimension D. But I would put that or any other effects BEFORE the looper. I know of a guitarist (Michael Hedges) who used a JamMan to do this with good results. But the JamMan was limited in the number of loops you could do (I've heard) and it's no longer in production There are lots of ideas I might use it for - possibly even in the context of a band - but that might be a long reach with live drums etc. Two inputs would be sweet in case i want to run, say, an electric guitar into it too... or maybe a resonator guitar. Now that I come to think of it, expanded possible uses are surfacing. Another feature I might need is the ability to recall old loops. The Looperlative sounds good on this front - I could potentially bring a laptop with loops in it and bring them in via ethernet? This is not critical, though, and part of me is drawn to the roll of the dice nature of live looping. The JamMan came out in the nineties? Duh! The more time I leave behind me, the more it seems to run together in the rear view mirror. But ultimately it's the sound that matters - so I've heard the Looperlative has the best sound. Generally they way I've worked is buy what I buy and make it do what I need it to do... and vice versa. And, after 26+ years in the studio business have had pretty good luck with that.. with only a few white elephants in the store room. I'd love to see a comparison chart of the different loopers and what they can and can't do. Does that exist? But I'll continue to learn what I can. It sounds like the Looperlative is pretty far backordered so I have time to ponder and weigh. Did this help? I suspect I WON'T KNOW what I'll want until I start doing it... so it makes sense to get the most versatile looper at this point so I have options. Thanks, Kim... and everyone who has so kindly responded to the first of my series of very stupid questions Richard Sales glassWing studios > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-6--78542892 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII previously you were talking about the Echoplex, Repeater, the Lexicon JamMan - you seem to be jumping all over the place. All of these loopers are very different from each other, and fit well for different applications and types of users. One doesn't replace another. My advice is that you first figure out what you want to do with a looper, and then determine which looper best fits that use. Thanks Kim! You obviously know a ton more about this than I do... so I'm grateful for your input. What I want to do is be able to play (solo acoustic guitar) a line or figure, have it repeat, and play over it - overdubbing more layers of guitar. I might need to be able to have different length loops. I can do all of this in the studio handily. It's LIVE I'm looking to use the looper for. So I need reliable foot switching. But really, compared with what you all are talking about I think my needs are VERY simple! I can sort of do this with my old tape Echoplex, or Effectrons etc, but they don't do the auto trim of loops... and they sound funky - which is useful for some apps but I need a clean sound first and foremost so I can use it on acoustic guitar - not distorted or effected other than maybe the Dimension D. But I would put that or any other effects BEFORE the looper. I know of a guitarist (Michael Hedges) who used a JamMan to do this with good results. But the JamMan was limited in the number of loops you could do (I've heard) and it's no longer in production There are lots of ideas I might use it for - possibly even in the context of a band - but that might be a long reach with live drums etc. Two inputs would be sweet in case i want to run, say, an electric guitar into it too... or maybe a resonator guitar. Now that I come to think of it, expanded possible uses are surfacing. Another feature I might need is the ability to recall old loops. The Looperlative sounds good on this front - I could potentially bring a laptop with loops in it and bring them in via ethernet? This is not critical, though, and part of me is drawn to the roll of the dice nature of live looping. The JamMan came out in the nineties? Duh! The more time I leave behind me, the more it seems to run together in the rear view mirror. But ultimately it's the sound that matters - so I've heard the Looperlative has the best sound. Generally they way I've worked is buy what I buy and make it do what I need it to do... and vice versa. And, after 26+ years in the studio business have had pretty good luck with that.. with only a few white elephants in the store room. I'd love to see a comparison chart of the different loopers and what they can and can't do. Does that exist? But I'll continue to learn what I can. It sounds like the Looperlative is pretty far backordered so I have time to ponder and weigh. Did this help? I suspect I WON'T KNOW what I'll want until I start doing it... so it makes sense to get the most versatile looper at this point so I have options. Thanks, Kim... and everyone who has so kindly responded to the first of my series of very stupid questions Richard Sales glassWing studios kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-6--78542892-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 28 22:54:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0287A3BF9E; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=W5ZHk2WFMLCQ6JGPBeWYGFqCIMZimKuDezQavF4Keqt21aQrBnGygHcTM+g07KmsAJbY4Ota+x6+7Oxq39GjWYJiSCDWgsDgasyET/vyxEwUFumdNwlXiVmJBLaJIB57PqY/o0A62Eo8zj+qAs+o23PzMZiDBcwT6aIJzwKXEiI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <86c1825e96c3f5019ae7de58c16708ec@glasswing.com> References: <20060328044532.56536.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <922ae6d034d4dc6ce45e405b06bb7a35@glasswing.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060328101901.04df84c0@loopers-delight.com> <86c1825e96c3f5019ae7de58c16708ec@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <564BC2DF-C5E1-40AC-9F4F-56B95FD77AC8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: comparison chart of the different loopers (was: Refining the first of possibly many stupid questions) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:54:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:54:34 +0000 (UTC) On 29 mar 2006, at 00.28, Richard Sales wrote: > I'd love to see a comparison chart of the different loopers and > what they can and can't do. Does that exist? I recently did one, but unfortunately in Swedish because it was ordered by a Swedish guitar magazine. However, we're not publishing until I can get the RC-50 as well into the chart and article, and then we're talking late may. If I can find the time I would like to translate at least the chart into English and put it online asap. If that happens I will notify the list, of course. Fact is I wouldn't mind some helpful feedback as well ;-) It's too easy to miss out on details that might be more important for other users. And since there is not enough room in one chart to list every feature of every looper, the real challenge is to decide what to leave out. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 00:11:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B20EB3BF97; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:19:41 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: comparison chart of the different loopers (was: Refining the first of possibly many stupid questions) To: Message-id: <001801c652c6$79fc06c0$e7aba344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060328044532.56536.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <922ae6d034d4dc6ce45e405b06bb7a35@glasswing.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060328101901.04df84c0@loopers-delight.com> <86c1825e96c3f5019ae7de58c16708ec@glasswing.com> <564BC2DF-C5E1-40AC-9F4F-56B95FD77AC8@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0Rse1B.A.k0G.DDdKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps the magazine can reproduce part of the chart and then drive readers to its website for the all-inclusive in-depth everything-you-want-to-know version? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: comparison chart of the different loopers (was: Refining the first of possibly many stupid questions) > On 29 mar 2006, at 00.28, Richard Sales wrote: > > > I'd love to see a comparison chart of the different loopers and > > what they can and can't do. Does that exist? > > I recently did one, but unfortunately in Swedish because it was > ordered by a Swedish guitar magazine. However, we're not publishing > until I can get the RC-50 as well into the chart and article, and > then we're talking late may. If I can find the time I would like to > translate at least the chart into English and put it online asap. If > that happens I will notify the list, of course. Fact is I wouldn't > mind some helpful feedback as well ;-) It's too easy to miss out on > details that might be more important for other users. And since there > is not enough room in one chart to list every feature of every > looper, the real challenge is to decide what to leave out. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=128679560&s=143456 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 01:21:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 489683BF97; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 01:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4429E120.5020000@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:21:36 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tuba loopage example/samples References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <659MGB.A.u3B.eEeKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 01:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Very cool, Steve!! Who is the tuba player? Can you say? burnett@pobox.com wrote: > Raw work in progress on an as-yet-unnamed project that I thought I'd > share: I'm working with a tuba player, live looping and effects > processing the loops I'm capturing from a mic inside the bell of his > tuba. This is not finished, we're still exploring the range of sounds > we can get from a tuba with and without processing. > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_1_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_2_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_3_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 > > Ok, gear babble: > > In summary, I have one looper device at the top of the signal chain, > then lots of effects, then three loopers at the end of the signal > chain. Sometimes capturing at the top then processing and passing it > to an end-of-chain looper, sometimes tweaking the processing and > capturing in an end looper. > > * mic'd tuba > > (instrument) > * Akai Headrush E1 > > (upstream looper) > * Z-Vex Seek Wah > Z-Vex Ooh Wah > Z-Vex Seek Trem > Moogerfooger > lowpass filter > MF ring mod > MF phaser > MF MuRF > MF Bass MuRF > MF > analog delay (104) > MF analog delay (104SD) > H&K Replex > > (effects block) > * E-H 16 sec digital delay reissue > Digitech Jamman > Boss RC-20 > (non-XL) > > (three downstream loopers) > amp > (duh :) ) > > What's not captured in the above samples is his live playing and > soloing over the looped and processed samples. > > later, > Steve B > http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 02:33:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8AB73BF9B; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 02:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: First of possibly many stupid questions Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:16:57 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002601c652ac$f2cfe040$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060328101901.04df84c0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZSlXhjrdDVfBC2SPmaPXjYOuAmfQAFNUcA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 02:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Kim wrote: > doesn't replace another. My advice is that you first figure > out what you want to do with a looper, and then determine > which looper best fits that use. I care to disagree here. My advice would be to get a relatively cheap looper (or to borrow one from a friend) and figure out what you like and don't like about it and which features you find it lacks. Then go for the real thing. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 02:33:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D716D3BF94; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 02:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Axf6ryy+dRUSQLP6kaGwir9U6WgGQfZuH3elre2h9DdO6YbrpPBC/WmVYZM+Z9gq; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006332923719800@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:37:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b2381f6da957589b90eb783235901004350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 02:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Ted sez: "The only thing that would amaze me further would be to get actally get a SALE via their site. That'll be the day." Tim sez: Oh listen to Mister Negative! I'll have you know that I sold a staggering 4 discs in only 3 short years via cdbaby! (maniacal knee-slapping one-man laughter ensues, followed by Tim's ashen-faced thanaopsis ;-) Wishing You All Sonic Goodness, Tim www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.mungenast.com www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat > [Original Message] > From: tEd ® kiLLiAn > To: > Date: 3/28/2006 4:53:51 PM > Subject: RE: THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT > > All I can figure is that it must be some unexpected result of CD Baby's > Digital Distribution connections. I signed on very early on to the program > and they really got their tentacles out there. > > Not that it has means any increase in sales (Walmart). Heheheh. The only > thinmg that would amaze me further would be to get actally get a SALE > via their site. That'll be the day. > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121 197000042 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > ---- jj 179 wrote: > > How the brilliant hell did you manage that?? Amazing. I'm putting an album > > out this summer and have been eagerly reading all of the emails about > > promotion, distribution, etc - but yours obviously tops them all. Wal-Mart > > ?? Wow. Hats off to you. > > > > Thanks, > > Jason Joseph > > www.palingenesia.net > > > > > > >From: tEd ® kiLLiAn > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Subject: THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT > > >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:40:23 -0800 > > > > > >Jeez-0-pizza > > > > > >This is really messing with my mind. I just found out that my CD, "Flux > > >Aeterna" is available as a download from Walmart. What's the world coming > > >to? > > > > > >See: > > > > > > > > >Talk about an evil empire. I think they may already have won. > > > > > >tEd ® kiLLiAn > > > > > >"Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > > > > >http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > > >http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > > >http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > >http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > > >http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > > >http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > > >http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=12 1197000042 > > > > > >Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > > >BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > > >AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > > >RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > > >and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > > > > >---- mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > That's great advice for any effects programming. I > > > > found I used to do all my tweaking alone just > > > > listening to my guitar. Now, I start there, but more > > > > often than not I program a "B" version of my sound > > > > that's designed to fit in a mix of other instruments. > > > > What sounds thin by its self can often be exactly what > > > > you want when mixed with drums bass and synths. > > > > > > > > --- a k butler wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Speaking of rock gigs, have any of you ever used a > > > > > Vortex in a rock > > > > > >band, live? I find that many oif the patches that > > > > > sound great in the > > > > > >living room just disappear amid the bass and drums. > > > > > > > > > > hi Tim > > > > > > > > > > I didn't have a problem in a rehearsal studio type > > > > > situation, > > > > > but if you mean playing with a "professional" pa > > > > > then I'd > > > > > think about making easy uncomplicated sounds that a > > > > > "sound guy" > > > > > might be able to live with. > > > > > > > > > > Generally the fine details of a patch are always > > > > > going be somewhat > > > > > lost when you blend your guitar with other sounds. > > > > > An echo at low > > > > > volume will tend to disappear completely. > > > > > In any case, what sounds good on solo guitar isn't > > > > > always going to > > > > > work in a band context. > > > > > > > > > > the supplied vortex presets are probably worth > > > > > avoiding > > > > > > > > > > Try going for simpler echoes, > > > > > turn up the echo volume, and turn down the no. of > > > > > repeats. > > > > > Use simpler values for echo divide ( like putting > > > > > them both = 2) > > > > > > > > > > ...and plenty of Vortex extreme modulation brought > > > > > in with the pedal :-) > > > > > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > www.andybutler.com mp3 and home of the Vortex > > > > > Database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 06:12:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E55DD3BF9D; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 06:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 01:14:48 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: tuba loopage example/samples In-Reply-To: <4429E120.5020000@pdq.net> Message-ID: References: <4429E120.5020000@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 06:12:53 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Doug Cox wrote: > Very cool, Steve!! Thanks! I've noticed stringed instruments as common looping inputs, but figured processed tuba was a little less common (although there's a talented trumpet looper here, a Brian McCune, who uses an EDP to great effect). Luckily I have a talented tuba player friend with a background in improv music. Not having any personal experience with brass instruments, I'm amazed at the range of noises he can get out of what I had mistakenly considered to be a rather limited palette instrument, before processing ever occurs. My mistake, and I'm happy to discover I was wrong on this :). > Who is the tuba player? Can you say? A local to me friend of mine, that I'd prefer not to say until I ask him how he likes his name tossed out to the Internet :). When we have more recording, or a show to announce, I intend to name the other half of this duo. More later. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 07:21:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD58E3BFAA; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JRff2HYO06LYShLCJV+fpdoUcZzn4ywKFNrdrnLjPKLfnnHUw4wlu1PicON/NUeyQ8iJ4vElg8T2Mht7GL5V1topmHDfHkCGz1D2TXzaEpLvOPDw6yp4OSwFFOdo1qm2qgepOvfd1eX168/cKPL4xKaYgjHslp5b6NH8id2aeec= In-Reply-To: <001801c652c6$79fc06c0$e7aba344@hppav> References: <20060328044532.56536.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <922ae6d034d4dc6ce45e405b06bb7a35@glasswing.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060328101901.04df84c0@loopers-delight.com> <86c1825e96c3f5019ae7de58c16708ec@glasswing.com> <564BC2DF-C5E1-40AC-9F4F-56B95FD77AC8@gmail.com> <001801c652c6$79fc06c0$e7aba344@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: comparison chart of the different loopers (was: Refining the first of possibly many stupid questions) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:21:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <2JLiSC.A.jpG.EWjKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi David, Good idea, but I'm afraid that wouldn't work since the magazine is only publishing on paper. But I, as the writer, can publish a "pirate copy" of the chart without harming any paper issue mag sales. It's on my list. per On 29 mar 2006, at 02.19, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Perhaps the magazine can reproduce part of the chart and then drive > readers > to its website for the all-inclusive in-depth everything-you-want- > to-know > version? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:54 PM > Subject: comparison chart of the different loopers (was: Refining > the first > of possibly many stupid questions) > > >> On 29 mar 2006, at 00.28, Richard Sales wrote: >> >>> I'd love to see a comparison chart of the different loopers and >>> what they can and can't do. Does that exist? >> >> I recently did one, but unfortunately in Swedish because it was >> ordered by a Swedish guitar magazine. However, we're not publishing >> until I can get the RC-50 as well into the chart and article, and >> then we're talking late may. If I can find the time I would like to >> translate at least the chart into English and put it online asap. If >> that happens I will notify the list, of course. Fact is I wouldn't >> mind some helpful feedback as well ;-) It's too easy to miss out on >> details that might be more important for other users. And since there >> is not enough room in one chart to list every feature of every >> looper, the real challenge is to decide what to leave out. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? >> id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 07:30:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F18773BFAB; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060328232832.01ac92e0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:30:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: comparison chart of the different loopers In-Reply-To: References: <20060328044532.56536.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <922ae6d034d4dc6ce45e405b06bb7a35@glasswing.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060328101901.04df84c0@loopers-delight.com> <86c1825e96c3f5019ae7de58c16708ec@glasswing.com> <564BC2DF-C5E1-40AC-9F4F-56B95FD77AC8@gmail.com> <001801c652c6$79fc06c0$e7aba344@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:30:30 +0000 (UTC) At 11:21 PM 3/28/2006, Per wrote: >Good idea, but I'm afraid that wouldn't work since the magazine is >only publishing on paper. But I, as the writer, can publish a "pirate >copy" of the chart without harming any paper issue mag sales. It's on >my list. I don't know how much verbiage there is in the chart, but you could run it through a machine translator like: http://www.google.com/language_tools to get it mostly translated into English and then tweak it (admittedly, "tweak it a lot") so that it makes sense for English speakers. Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 07:48:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 449323BFB2; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MyKzgkBnlikeiXHV+V8/8csEwDzLTp16AWbN566+0wwDxhHXFK+gxIR2uHjVfTxroyRqrJreN/yqOocGzndepfUPIg5IgRpRd/UrZI/chh4Q1ulQr3crksel9FQcnP9xKwLy4+sWQFa20DHClCTFZZse0oRH1gXKS0OgkBUiCeo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9D23E968-8BDC-4BF0-A2FE-FA8B2A234F2A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: tuba loopage example/samples Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:48:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:48:51 +0000 (UTC) On 28 mar 2006, at 18.02, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_1_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_2_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_3_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 That's interesting listening! Thanks for linking it up. (Enjoying the music right now) I have also noticed, in my own recording praxis, that the loop track only can often sound good without any direct instrument being heard. It can be like "following the footprints of something yet to be defined" compared to "see someone take a walk" ;-) > I've noticed stringed instruments as common looping inputs, but > figured processed tuba was a little less common (although there's a > talented trumpet looper here, a Brian McCune, who uses an EDP to > great effect). I haven't seen any one yet mentioning http://www.tomheasley.com/. Tuba! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 08:05:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FB543BFA6; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Pqa99IBvIeaXypUubXyd2/B3CAh+uZewgKGkm9OEo409zHFlrDLX90tTXSy/+ybEOMfxgKYnSH3SC8VKvrIIJa7uLjfuL1i9C6XODa63TX6aCuqlgwD6J9gdd8XFlOhAkwr//H1LVO9qtfgiuaW4MyLs2+pR/d/f4ISDa6ZkUMU= ; Message-ID: <20060329080502.73138.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:05:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT To: mungenast@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <410-22006332923719800@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:05:03 +0000 (UTC) --- Timothy Mungenast wrote: > I'll have you know that I sold a staggering 4 > discs in only 3 short years via cdbaby! Wow, I represent a full 25% of your market segment? I just sent two titles to CDBaby yesterday; soon my sig file will look just like Ted's. ;P -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 08:06:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18F743BFAC; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <9D23E968-8BDC-4BF0-A2FE-FA8B2A234F2A@gmail.com> References: <9D23E968-8BDC-4BF0-A2FE-FA8B2A234F2A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <98e45831cbde94c5d06b30214c0548cc@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: tuba loopage example/samples Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:06:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:06:42 +0000 (UTC) I did some gigs a few years back with him, quite an excellent player! I=20= think Ted Killian might've as well....? Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I haven't seen any one yet mentioning http://www.tomheasley.com/. =20 > Tuba!= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 08:11:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A362D3BFBE; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20060329080502.73138.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060329080502.73138.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <42dc749d240637fbfcbd9ad0723ba3b1@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: mungenast@earthlink.net From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: RE: .sig [Was THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT] Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:11:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:11:33 +0000 (UTC) It would be easier if we all put something like this: Ted Killian Guitarist http://tinyurl.com/o39gx That way you could get it down to around 385 lines, all in one.... :-) Ted, you know I LOVE you! Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 29, 2006, at 12:05 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: > I just sent two titles to CDBaby yesterday; soon my > sig file will look just like Ted's. ;P= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 08:28:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 187ED3BFC5; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=g6dUkcsahfTlZzy0ItC6iB5mwBv4mzUQX+bOgvVp1/GObajqXtnaMbgh8yzXAnZd7499JJ4EKhtbPeSQUkan1m6hBRWQAmfogm4IwR6SvjfShw6mO9omTuQgMyWc9vBP67kS55PywO5Y4UnszpdL8WQ3VhSjPDp2TfGKAnEcluA= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603290028p71c6779gf39d1cca42ca20f4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:28:34 +0100 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: comparison chart of the different loopers (was: Refining the first of possibly many stupid questions) In-Reply-To: <564BC2DF-C5E1-40AC-9F4F-56B95FD77AC8@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060328044532.56536.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <922ae6d034d4dc6ce45e405b06bb7a35@glasswing.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060328101901.04df84c0@loopers-delight.com> <86c1825e96c3f5019ae7de58c16708ec@glasswing.com> <564BC2DF-C5E1-40AC-9F4F-56B95FD77AC8@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:28:36 +0000 (UTC) On 3/28/06, Per Boysen wrote: > On 29 mar 2006, at 00.28, Richard Sales wrote: > Fact is I wouldn't > mind some helpful feedback as well Into which orifice should we plug our pedals, and do you accept CV or MIDI?= :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 09:47:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94A4E3BFB8; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [85.210.43.126] X-Originating-Email: [gardunne@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gardunne@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002601c652ac$f2cfe040$0601a8c0@succubus> From: "gary dunne" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: First of possibly many stupid questions Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:47:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2006 09:47:09.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF6E8DF0:01C65315] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:47:12 +0000 (UTC) yeah, i think spending some time experimenting with looping on a basic machine in definitely worth while. you'll learn very quickly if the looping process suits your music. >From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: AW: First of possibly many stupid questions >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:16:57 +0200 > >Kim wrote: > > > doesn't replace another. My advice is that you first figure > > out what you want to do with a looper, and then determine > > which looper best fits that use. > >I care to disagree here. My advice would be to get a relatively cheap >looper >(or to borrow one from a friend) and figure out what you like and don't >like >about it and which features you find it lacks. Then go for the real thing. > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 11:03:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8F303BFC4; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780603271539h3b79d334w37b38011289b7e2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5FD46256-939E-45E1-8872-2B911115BF8D@zoekeating.com> <64b81a780603271539h3b79d334w37b38011289b7e2a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: WAS: blowing things up, NOW: diagrams Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:03:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 9770ee5a-bf13-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:03:05 +0000 (UTC) i don't know if i qualify as a professional...;-) but that is a good question. yes, i do have a folder on my computer called TOUR TECH that contains: - text 'diagram' of current routing (i.e. preamp send > rptr1 > mixer 1&2 ) - a list of every routing i've ever used (because i change it every tour) - what worked and what didn't work, notes etc. - list of all the cables involved (because i always bring spares) - list of everything i need to bring with me every tour - patch map for the FCB1010 (again, because i change it all the time) looks like BANK 00 > 05 > record (pc04) + feedback (cc11=90) - pdf manuals for every piece of gear (especially the midi table for the repeater) - tech rider for the soundman in case they don't have it On Mar 28, 2006, at 12:39 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: > Wow, and this just weeks after I said I didn't want you frying > yourself on the wiring in your new apartment. I think this is some > sort of message from the universe...or something. :) > > This brings up a question, though, that I've been thinking about > for a while. Do you professional types keep notebooks, diagrams, > etc. of your gear settings, routing, etc.? Take the FCB or > example; were you able to quickly reprogram based on notes of how > you had it set up, or did you have to re-figure it from scratch? > I've been thinking of putting together such a notebook myself, but > haven't gotten around to it. > > Anyway, glad to hear you and the repeaters survived. > Todd > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 11:17:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DDE23BFC7; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jcwMjILSL+P+teMlYLlndPPVpmQ8XmDOIyUDUpZhx6urBrseOItyYg3tMueSpMUlHTYMRWRmIU1cx1fCFS84CwYr+kG+icqVsNQN5MHvtUsokodrSC9Do2Y6xX+wXg7hAlTorDDrSipEDv/cME9SkXlbMUqX1jy2qk2QUNVIr5s= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603290317u5495387fjb0d69b7735937460@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:17:01 +0100 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) In-Reply-To: <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:17:02 +0000 (UTC) On 3/28/06, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > I don't want to be redundant with our private emails: but I thought it > worth repeating for the list.....This is one of the reasons I went with > Max/MSP....big time flexibility of routing. Inside the max/MSP > environment you can freely route/reroute audio paths/controller paths > all over the place, making it perfect for hybrid rigs of laptop and > other hardware, or pure software. But no AU support on OSX. The spec looks wonderful, but that's a show-stopper for me, I don't understand why there's no AU support. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 11:37:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09C4A3BFCE; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80603290317u5495387fjb0d69b7735937460@mail.gmail.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> <353e2ed80603290317u5495387fjb0d69b7735937460@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 03:37:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:37:11 +0000 (UTC) I agree that it is a bummer and would be good. I would like that and=20 have requested it, as I have others have as well. Hopefully it is a feature that will be added. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 29, 2006, at 3:17 AM, David Morton wrote: > On 3/28/06, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >> I don't want to be redundant with our private emails: but I thought = it >> worth repeating for the list.....This is one of the reasons I went=20 >> with >> Max/MSP....big time flexibility of routing. Inside the max/MSP >> environment you can freely route/reroute audio paths/controller paths >> all over the place, making it perfect for hybrid rigs of laptop and >> other hardware, or pure software. > > But no AU support on OSX. The spec looks wonderful, but that's a > show-stopper for me, I don't understand why there's no AU support. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 11:43:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAE363BFD1; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CALv6KUSBaoYYLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060329123704.02ce21d0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:41:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) In-Reply-To: <20060328222846.485373BFAB@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060328222846.485373BFAB@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:43:55 +0000 (UTC) >The fact that has been keeping me away from getting into MAX is that >every user I know is so very interested in PROGRAMMING IN MAX! ;-)) hey, they just want you to think that they are clever people who can program! MAX is modular, AFAIK most users just link up a few pre-existing modules. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 11:49:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA82A3BFD6; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80603290317u5495387fjb0d69b7735937460@mail.gmail.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> <353e2ed80603290317u5495387fjb0d69b7735937460@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Speaking of the FANTASTIC Ted Killian..... Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 03:49:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <-1mPJC.A.2H.ERnKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:49:24 +0000 (UTC) For those of you in the Southern California area: Ted Killian will be one of the featured artists on May 6 at the Ventura=20= New Music Festival at the lovely Ventura City Hall. http://www.vnmf.com/ Besides being one of the nicest people on the planet and a truly gifted=20= visual artist, Ted is a fantastic electric guitarist. He will be=20 featured in our "First Meeting" show with another looper, Bill=20 Harrington. Bill (who uses Radial) and Ted have never played together=20 before, and have never even met. There first meeting/playing will be at=20= the show that day. Also featured that day: Wayne Peet Trio (with Nels Cline), Steuart=20 Liebig and The Mentones, Choir Boys Quintet and more... Just thought I'd pass it along during a bout of insomnia... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 12:02:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D6EC3BFD5; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060329123704.02ce21d0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060328222846.485373BFAB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060329123704.02ce21d0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: power is nothing without control (was Re: Filter-Looper Swapping) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 04:02:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:02:41 +0000 (UTC) I am certainly not a programmer. (I have no background in writing=20 software or experience other than trying some BASIC back in the=20 Commodore 64 days.) I grab pieces of things here and there, and then=20 re-piece them together in ways I like. For example: The one thing I=20 really missed was my Alesis Bitrman. So I sat down and grabbed pieces=20 of max patches that did what the Bitrman did, and re-assembled them in=20= a way that gave me what I wanted and missed, plus a few personal=20 touches that went beyond the Bitrman. I shouldn't say I "wrote" my patch....collected and organized would be=20= more honest....and it is fun. The max/MSP list is full of real programmers, I lurk there and am=20 amazed....Met some of those folks at the Sparks Festival in=20 Minneapolis. Now some of them can PROGRAM.....But for myself and=20 others, we collect and piece together.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Mar 29, 2006, at 3:41 AM, a k butler wrote: > hey, they just want you to think that they are clever people who can=20= > program! > > MAX is modular, AFAIK most users just link up a few pre-existing=20 > modules. > > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 12:37:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 773803BFC3; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060326153446.01e13418@TheNettles.com> <44296E4F.5010800@pdq.net> <44299111.8080101@unguitar.com> <49b9463f903085610e46c9f129fb4c5c@pfmentum.com> <353e2ed80603290317u5495387fjb0d69b7735937460@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <78F56B17-67D0-4C12-A743-4FCD86B7596A@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: repeater zippering sound Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:36:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:37:07 +0000 (UTC) has anyone used midi CC changes with the repeater and noticed "zippering" sounds when sending midi messages? is there a workaround? i'm using a peavey pc-1600 and a doepfer regelwerk. ta. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 13:23:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 729BB3BFE1; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:25:17 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: tuba loopage example/samples In-Reply-To: <9D23E968-8BDC-4BF0-A2FE-FA8B2A234F2A@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <9D23E968-8BDC-4BF0-A2FE-FA8B2A234F2A@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:23:23 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Per Boysen wrote: > On 28 mar 2006, at 18.02, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_1_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_2_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_3_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 > > That's interesting listening! Thanks for linking it up. (Enjoying the music > right now) You're welcome. > I have also noticed, in my own recording praxis, that the loop track only can > often sound good without any direct instrument being heard. It can be like > "following the footprints of something yet to be defined" compared to "see > someone take a walk" ;-) Good analogy, and good point. Having only the loop track is a current artifact of the setup: I don't have a room mic set up, so the samples above are lacking the tuba soloing over the loop layers. >> I've noticed stringed instruments as common looping inputs, but figured >> processed tuba was a little less common (although there's a talented >> trumpet looper here, a Brian McCune, who uses an EDP to great effect). > > I haven't seen any one yet mentioning http://www.tomheasley.com/. Tuba! That's because I'd forgotten about him, or I'd have mentioned him in my first post. My bad, much obliged for reminding me. Thanks! (Hmm, samples on website sound cool. Should buy.) best, Steve B From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 14:10:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEEE43BFDB; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:11:58 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: tuba loopage example/samples In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001301c6533a$be3ff930$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:10:09 +0000 (UTC) I dig it - I never heard a tuba sound quite like that before. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:03 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: tuba loopage example/samples > > > Raw work in progress on an as-yet-unnamed project that I thought I'd > share: I'm working with a tuba player, live looping and effects > processing the loops I'm capturing from a mic inside the bell of his > tuba. This is not finished, we're still exploring the range > of sounds we > can get from a tuba with and without processing. > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_1_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_2_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_3_26mar2006-mp3.mp3 > > Ok, gear babble: > > In summary, I have one looper device at the top of the signal > chain, then > lots of effects, then three loopers at the end of the signal chain. > Sometimes capturing at the top then processing and passing it to an > end-of-chain looper, sometimes tweaking the processing and > capturing in an > end looper. > > * mic'd tuba > > (instrument) > * Akai Headrush E1 > > (upstream looper) > * Z-Vex Seek Wah > Z-Vex Ooh Wah > Z-Vex Seek Trem > > Moogerfooger lowpass > filter > MF ring mod > MF phaser > MF MuRF > MF Bass MuRF > MF analog > delay (104) > MF analog delay (104SD) > H&K Replex > > (effects block) > * E-H 16 sec digital delay reissue > Digitech Jamman > Boss > RC-20 (non-XL) > > (three downstream loopers) > amp > (duh :) ) > > What's not captured in the above samples is his live playing and > soloing over the looped and processed samples. > > later, > Steve B > http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 14:25:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCA4E3BFDE; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ll1/ufVaQhE98A1zFoTMxSVORgEZoeSQ69RexJsESfxfwDQy39keT/iPDL8KXwUOM4HDWqS17uacT0C1vY0iOvJnGXKMProuoSAotCzkHCfxUD7BNjw94AMrV5y55eaI6S27l0bM/0g3qDQwU0FvcfmyRMkWcpvnc9fF7Lx1Qys= ; Message-ID: <20060329142458.27731.qmail@web37912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 06:24:58 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: ben franklins glass celestia amplified and looped To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-614879122-1143642298=:27729" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:25:00 +0000 (UTC) --0-614879122-1143642298=:27729 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ive been playing one in my sleep lately & when i wake up the tips of my fingers are pruned up.im making loops but without hardware...it seems to be a psych~tele~phonic looping interface.i cant wait to get to back to sleep... --------------------------------- New Yahoo! 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ive been playing one in my sleep lately & when i wake up the tips of my fingers are pruned up.im making loops but without hardware...it seems to be a psych~tele~phonic looping interface.i cant wait to get to back to sleep...

New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. --0-614879122-1143642298=:27729-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 14:36:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 102E03BFEB; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007401c6533d$80abefe0$3da2fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: Cc: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gig_spam:_Centrozoon_and_=5B=B4ramp=5D_live_on_April_14=2C?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_2006?= Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:30:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C6534E.1A9896C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:36:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C6534E.1A9896C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, I just wanted to let you know that Centrozoon (Markus Reuter, Bernhard = Woestheinrich) and [=B4ramp] (Frank Makowski and I) will be playing live = at Ger=E4uschwelten #29 ("noise worlds") at Cuba, Muenster/Germany on = April 14, 2006. Centrozoon will be giving their new album "Angel Liquor" = a premiere, we are planning to perform some deep, drone-based ambient = music.=20 For more info, please check the following websites: http://www.geraeuschwelten.de http://www.cuba-cultur.de http://www.aufabwegen.com http://www.doombient.com http://www.centrozoon.de The concerts will start around 8 p. m., and admission usually is very = affordable. So if you happen to be in Germany around hat time, come and = drop by :-). Thanks for reading, Stephen. =20 _________________________________________________________________________= _______________ "I come from another planet, baby." (Julian Cope) It=B4s out: "oughtibridge", the new [=B4ramp] album, recorded live in = England. For info and audio, please visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C6534E.1A9896C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi folks,
 
I just wanted to let you know that Centrozoon = (Markus=20 Reuter, Bernhard Woestheinrich) and [=B4ramp] (Frank Makowski and I) = will be=20 playing live at Ger=E4uschwelten #29 ("noise worlds") at Cuba, = Muenster/Germany on=20 April 14, 2006. Centrozoon will be giving their new album "Angel Liquor" = a=20 premiere, we are planning to perform some deep, drone-based ambient = music.=20
 
For more info, please check the following=20 websites:
 
http://www.geraeuschwelten.de<= BR>http://www.cuba-cultur.de
http://www.aufabwegen.com
http://www.doombient.com
http://www.centrozoon.de
 
The concerts will start around 8 p. m., and admission usually is = very=20 affordable. So if you happen to be in Germany around hat time, come and = drop by=20 :-).
 
Thanks for reading,
 
Stephen.

 
________________________________________________________= ________________________________
 
"I come from another planet, baby." (Julian=20 Cope)
 
It=B4s out: "oughtibridge", the new [=B4ramp] = album, recorded=20 live in England.
 
For info and audio, please visit the official = [=B4ramp]=20 website at www.doombient.com
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C6534E.1A9896C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 14:56:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A83403BFEA; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:57:40 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: NYC gig spam (looping content): LAMBIC @ CBGB Gallery 313 this Tuesday 3/28 from 10 to 11 pm In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000f01c65341$20201170$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:56:26 +0000 (UTC) This sounded great - I'm so sorry I couldn't make it - 10 PM on a weekday is just pretty hard to do for someone who lives an hour away and works. How'd it go? Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Paul Sullivan [mailto:paulsull@gis.net] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NYC gig spam (looping content): LAMBIC @ CBGB Gallery 313 this Tuesday 3/28 from 10 to 11 pm Lambic returns to CBGB gallery 313 (right next door to the original CBGB) this Tuesday, March 28th, at 10pm ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 15:26:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FCA23BFF2; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QN+vU7yQNxd02CLNtoRLi+ToNMhBKssZ5u0no9/RWVeydwxtgNCYiDnU82DRz9uJatw9pRre43QXEGREIgcXoC3onbOqqE3VptGb52XuEgWVJvP3I8JDQ0tUB8sBwGCHKNVFOZqw5spNwqX397SPVzmOQe1UuSz66wH3wXxah4Y= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: <5FD46256-939E-45E1-8872-2B911115BF8D@zoekeating.com> <64b81a780603271539h3b79d334w37b38011289b7e2a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5B036427-9056-42C6-BA71-99542C1E1389@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: WAS: blowing things up, NOW: diagrams Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:25:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <1aVrXC.A.j0F.ScqKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:26:10 +0000 (UTC) That's an important question, Todd. I keep just about the same stuff as Zoe, but also MIDI files of my FCB Sysex Dump and my TC Electronic FireworX Sysex Dump. I also keep copies of my preferences (the files) as well as installation files and notes of serial numbers for the software I use, so I can retrieve "my set-up" on any laptop. These back-up files are not only carried on my computer drive, I also bring two CD or DVD discs (stored in different bags). I also use to upload a back-up zip file on the Internet so I can always get at it. per On 29 mar 2006, at 13.03, Zoe Keating wrote: > i don't know if i qualify as a professional...;-) but that is a > good question. yes, i do have a folder on my computer called TOUR > TECH that contains: > > - text 'diagram' of current routing (i.e. preamp send > rptr1 > > mixer 1&2 ) > - a list of every routing i've ever used (because i change it every > tour) > - what worked and what didn't work, notes etc. > - list of all the cables involved (because i always bring spares) > - list of everything i need to bring with me every tour > - patch map for the FCB1010 (again, because i change it all the > time) looks like BANK 00 > 05 > record (pc04) + feedback (cc11=90) > - pdf manuals for every piece of gear (especially the midi table > for the repeater) > - tech rider for the soundman in case they don't have it > > > On Mar 28, 2006, at 12:39 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: > >> This brings up a question, though, that I've been thinking about >> for a while. Do you professional types keep notebooks, diagrams, >> etc. of your gear settings, routing, etc.? Take the FCB or >> example; were you able to quickly reprogram based on notes of how >> you had it set up, or did you have to re-figure it from scratch? >> I've been thinking of putting together such a notebook myself, but >> haven't gotten around to it. >> >> Anyway, glad to hear you and the repeaters survived. >> Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 15:30:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C68BC3BFF7; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4429E120.5020000@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:27:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Re: tuba loopage example/samples Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1068476282==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <0__uaD.A.YAG.DgqKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:30:11 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1068476282==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" There is a fantastic ambient tuba record called "On the sensations of Tone" by Tom Heasley. innova records # 566 http://www.tomheasley.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1068476282==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Re: tuba loopage example/samples
There is a fantastic ambient tuba record called "On the sensations of Tone" by Tom Heasley.
innova records # 566

http://www.tomheasley.com


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--============_-1068476282==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 15:45:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EAC43BFFE; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,144,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="143277605:sNHT29199726" In-Reply-To: <42dc749d240637fbfcbd9ad0723ba3b1@pfmentum.com> References: <20060329080502.73138.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42dc749d240637fbfcbd9ad0723ba3b1@pfmentum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <02f1aacea8dbec8cf0a364a166d7fb00@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: mungenast@earthlink.net From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: .sig [Was THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT] Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:46:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <95cHuC.A.9vG.VuqKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Heheheheheh, Don't worry. My sense of humor is still pretty well intact. Have you ever known me to be guilty of taking myself too seriously -- least wise as a musician? I'm just another big doofus kid making musical "mudpies" and occasionally shoutin' "Lookyhere! See what I made!" across the mudhole. The grownup Ted has to go to work now. Have a great day, Ted Killian Guitarist http://tinyurl.com/o39gx On Mar 29, 2006, at 12:11 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > It would be easier if we all put something like this: > > Ted Killian > Guitarist > http://tinyurl.com/o39gx > > > That way you could get it down to around 385 lines, all in one.... > > :-) > > Ted, you know I LOVE you! > > Jeff > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > > On Mar 29, 2006, at 12:05 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: > >> I just sent two titles to CDBaby yesterday; soon my >> sig file will look just like Ted's. ;P From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 15:47:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7408A3C003; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:47:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001d01c65348$262a1280$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060329142458.27731.qmail@web37912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ben franklins glass celestia amplified and looped Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:47:54 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:47:58 +0000 (UTC) From: daniel stevenson (in rich text! naughty!) > ive been playing one in my sleep lately & when i wake up the tips of my > fingers are pruned up.im making loops but without hardware...it seems to > be a psych~tele~phonic looping interface.i cant wait to get to back to > sleep... For those of us not familiar with the 'celestia', it's not just a free 3D Space Simulation package. This will help expand your mind and perhaps give some of the more inventive amongst us an idea: http://www.glasharfe.de/glasharfe/texte/history.htm Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 16:25:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD9D13BFFB; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1143649550!41490081!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8FF9@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: European power adapter (was: how to blow up your equipment) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:25:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6534D.6D3513A0" Resent-Message-ID: <4Q2KaB.A.Pd.SUrKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:25:54 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6534D.6D3513A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>I think electromechanical stuff, like motor drives, could be affected by this. I seem to remember reading that the motors in at least some mellotrons took particular exception to receiving the wrong frequency.<< only the older machines with mains driven motors; the more common m400 has a dc motor & a servo somewhat akin to those found in decent 1/4" machines like revoxes. but the same issue (50Hz/60Hz) might also affect hammond tonewheel organs.... a lot of cheaper 1/4" machines & a great many turntables also used synchronous motors that rely on mains frequency for speed regulation. dreadful idea. fwiw, I run a great deal of audio & midi equipment by feeding regulated 8V around on the spare wires in my midi connections. the 8V comes from a sony camcorder supply which works off anything from 80-300V ac & (not that I've tried it) any frequency. it says. I carry a spare. the exceptions are a couple of alesis boxes (s4+ module, quadraverb) where I've had to source a suitable mains transformer.... there was room inside the s4+ for a little toroidal transformer, fuse & so forth, & I put a 110/220 switch in there too. & there's enough capacity for it to power the quadraverb via a link between the original dc jacks on the two modules. I label the back of the gear whenever I've opened it to change the voltage. my alesis mixer had a dual-primary transformer already, so I just added a switch to make it 110/220 compatible. the two jam-mans, at the moment, need different power units for 110 & 220 operation. I am trying to find a small-enough switching supply to fit inside the jam-man itself..... but the jam-man appears to be one of those awkward boxes that does something else with the 9V ac supply besides turn it into 5V dc. I hate wall-warts, especially on stage. I know they save the manufacturers (& us?) some money, but they absolutely suck in an environment that could in any way be described as "professional". duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6534D.6D3513A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: European power adapter (was: how to blow up your equipment)</TIT= LE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>>I think electromechanical stuff, like motor drive= s, could be affected by this. I seem to remember reading that the motors in= at least some mellotrons took particular exception to receiving the wrong = frequency.<<</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>only the older machines with mains driven motors; the mor= e common m400 has a dc motor & a servo somewhat akin to those found in = decent 1/4" machines like revoxes. but the same issue (50Hz/60Hz) migh= t also affect hammond tonewheel organs.... a lot of cheaper 1/4" machi= nes & a great many turntables also used synchronous motors that rely on= mains frequency for speed regulation. dreadful idea.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>fwiw, I run a great deal of audio & midi equipment by= feeding regulated 8V around on the spare wires in my midi connections. the= 8V comes from a sony camcorder supply which works off anything from 80-300= V ac & (not that I've tried it) any frequency. it says. </FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I carry a spare.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>the exceptions are a couple of alesis boxes (s4+ module, = quadraverb) where I've had to source a suitable mains transformer.... there= was room inside the s4+ for a little toroidal transformer, fuse & so f= orth, & I put a 110/220 switch in there too. & there's enough capac= ity for it to power the quadraverb via a link between the original dc jacks= on the two modules. I label the back of the gear whenever I've opened it t= o change the voltage. my alesis mixer had a dual-primary transformer alread= y, so I just added a switch to make it 110/220 compatible.  </FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>the two jam-mans, at the moment, need different power uni= ts for 110 & 220 operation. I am trying to find a small-enough switchin= g supply to fit inside the jam-man itself..... but the jam-man appears to b= e one of those awkward boxes that does something else with the 9V ac supply= besides turn it into 5V dc. I hate wall-warts, especially on stage. I know= they save the manufacturers (& us?) some money, but they absolutely su= ck in an environment that could in any way be described as "profession= al".</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan.</FONT> </P> <CODE><FONT SIZE=3D3><BR> <BR> ***************************************************************************= <BR> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<BR> <BR> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user<BR> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also<BR> be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may <BR> not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it<BR> in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,<BR> please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.<BR> <BR> It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other<BR> checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not<BR> affect your systems / data. 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I carry a little blue notebook which is filling up with v= ariations of midi & audio maps (all dated), set-lists (with bpm's, patc= h numbers & other notes against each title), ideas & notes coming f= rom rehearsals & gigs, multitrack mix notes.... that sort of stuff.

I also carry a yamaha datafiler with backups of patch dat= a, configs for various midi controllers, & sysex of song/pattern data. = I have the same data on another floppy which is kept away from the rest of = the gear.

we use two synth modules- an emu proteus (actually now an= xl-7) & an alesis s4+. it's (just) possible for one to fill in for the= other if there's a failure, though obviously there's some compromise in th= e sounds available.

spare cables, strings... batteries.... toolkit w/ fuses..= .... spare merge box.... spare sony psu for the midi buss-powered gear.....= flashlight....

it's never enough, though, & feels like tempting fate= sometimes.

but with a bottle of water & some bananas, we're read= y to go.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6534E.E5AA8530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 17:36:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C8CC3BFB8; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:36:01 +0200 Message-Id: <469708896@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: RPGfreak@web.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Triangular Guitar picks Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I got my hand on a Herdim triangular guitar pick (the ones with very sharp edges, not like the triangular ones that can be bought today). The only source I have found to buy these Herdim's is Tone Toys, they offer them for 15 Euro a piece which is too much in my opinion. Are there any alternatives out there? On my research on the Internet i read something about picks made by Hiroshi Iketani, where can those be bought? Sorry to ask this here, but this is the only forum I know with reasonably guitar players. Thanks, Simon ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 17:43:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 301C73BFD4; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:43:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:50:57 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Triangular Guitar picks To: Message-id: <001101c65359$55af89c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <469708896@web.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:43:13 +0000 (UTC) I've been using fender 355's since 1992. http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/ce/72/e2_1_b.JPG http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/93/3a/5d_1.JPG ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Triangular Guitar picks > > Hi, > I got my hand on a Herdim triangular guitar pick (the ones with very sharp edges, not like the triangular ones that can be bought today). The only source I have found to buy these Herdim's is Tone Toys, they offer them for 15 Euro a piece which is too much in my opinion. Are there any alternatives out there? On my research on the Internet i read something about picks made by Hiroshi Iketani, where can those be bought? Sorry to ask this here, but this is the only forum I know with reasonably guitar players. > > Thanks, Simon > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! > Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 19:15:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB0743BFD4; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=jWyrKlAKAI20OVJYNyf1/X+6QjhMLDDDrPrMFIZVj/8ZyW/FHYoOzY75hoqCiX5h0IC6Jyq7myH7xfwRjRXPg6UbveriRtw8bCSIsDkGC8DpxZuVcaKxhjgU7dM1C6RymGHIUDrSNnHrjfecovbLiCcfCxmbk0ttwuk0YNwSUM4= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: Triangular Guitar picks Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:15:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <001101c65359$55af89c0$0affff0a@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcZTWEBwJpsDuRXtSOi1l5LaA8rCIwAC0ayA Message-Id: <20060329191530.3F56B3BFCA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:15:31 +0000 (UTC) the Fenders aren't sharp enough. I've grown dependent on the sharp ones, too. i have been told part of the expensiveness of the Herdims is the type of material they're made of. i know these are the preferred picks for Guitar Craft so maybe befriend a local Crafty. not easy, I know. 8^{)} m -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Triangular Guitar picks I've been using fender 355's since 1992. http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/ce/72/e2_1_b.JPG http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/93/3a/5d_1.JPG ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Triangular Guitar picks > > Hi, > I got my hand on a Herdim triangular guitar pick (the ones with very sharp edges, not like the triangular ones that can be bought today). The only source I have found to buy these Herdim's is Tone Toys, they offer them for 15 Euro a piece which is too much in my opinion. Are there any alternatives out there? On my research on the Internet i read something about picks made by Hiroshi Iketani, where can those be bought? Sorry to ask this here, but this is the only forum I know with reasonably guitar players. > > Thanks, Simon > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! > Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 23:17:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CBAE3BFDF; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200603292208.k2TM86di098630@mailserver2.hushmail.com> Disposition-Notification-To: jmshepherd@hushmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:08:03 -0500 To: Cc: Subject: Re: Triangular Guitar picks Reply-To: jmshepherd@hushmail.com From: "Jim Shepherd" Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:17:42 +0000 (UTC) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Simon, Congrats on finding a Herdim, those things are rarer than hen's teeth! 15 Euros? Ouch! Like many others who've participated in GC, I resorted to making/modding my own picks. Mine start off as 1mm+ thick Jim Dunlop or Steve Clayton rounded triangles which I cut down to size. I've used white acetal/acetyl, and gold ultem/ultex materials and both work pretty well. I aquired an old, well used Herdim from a dear friend and fellow crafty which served as the model for mine. I measured the thickness of the Herdim at several points with a digital caliper and I arrived at a > 1mm average thickness. (anal? me? nah!) I buy them in bulk bags. All you need to do is draw a line connecting each point on the pick with a fine point marker and a straight-edge, then remove the material outside of the line by cutting and sanding. I've found that using an hobby or box knife to score the picks on the outer side of the maker line, then snapping off the material (I use a pair of wide pliers for this) and finally sanding the edges with 400 and 600 grit wet/dry (dry) sandpaper to the line gets it done quickly with as little dust as possible. I get a nice sharp point this way. It's also much safer than trying to "whittle" the material off. That's a good way to cut yourself badly. It takes some time and effort, but given the sparse to non-existent availability of the original crafty pick, and the utter lack of interest from manufacturers to meet this need, the only practical solution is to hack 'em! The ultem/ultex picks feel most like the Herdim to my hand, but YMMV. Cheers, Jim On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:36:01 -0500 RPGfreak@web.de wrote: >Hi, >I got my hand on a Herdim triangular guitar pick (the ones with >very sharp edges, not like the triangular ones that can be bought >today). The only source I have found to buy these Herdim's is Tone >Toys, they offer them for 15 Euro a piece which is too much in my >opinion. Are there any alternatives out there? On my research on >the Internet i read something about picks made by Hiroshi Iketani, >where can those be bought? Sorry to ask this here, but this is the >only forum I know with reasonably guitar players. > >Thanks, Simon > > >______________________________________________________________ >Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! >Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 2.5 wkYEARECAAYFAkQrBT8ACgkQG3muArBfqImJOwCgs8iTqAbv1ZBwZmrA3VovpVQbSQsA njJBS71PyNaeLw1t725iT3vCkguX =eMwi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 23:26:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C06863BFDD; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TVcZIplazO6Rr58ctzxiTPtrIJuzFDxlMukYkd6Eys5020HYQzkQ38D8YiAG2R+4Nxdi2oPDDpI96iyqdxBsGcQoqumZdoP8Uwyb8GtadWpWvDgKSKrhIvknb+bQ521TiMTjfPJCN2Ap5mm3cBhJ5u731ug4bhJ6PqyJLhcUO0w= Message-ID: <26ba8d120603291526x64c8eef8vddfbcbadb152a31a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:26:56 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NYC gig spam (looping content): LAMBIC @ CBGB Gallery 313 this Tuesday 3/28 from 10 to 11 pm In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <1SIr8C.A.AKB.BfxKEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Please remember to send these events to the extreme NY mailing list, http://ax.to -- or just straight to me. I don't check this group every day -- I would have sent this invitation out and possibly gone myself... On 3/27/06, Paul Sullivan wrote: > Lambic returns to CBGB gallery 313 (right next door to the original > CBGB) this Tuesday, March 28th, at 10pm And yes, there will be > loopage, including 2 boomerangs, dl-4, pds-8000. headrush... From our > myspace page http://myspace.com/lambic - Lambic is a style of Belgian > ale that is spontaneously fermented from wild yeasts. Lambic is also a > band featuring Paul Sullivan on guitars and effects, and Stephen Moses > (Alice Donut) on drums, trombone, and effects. Lambic is spontaneously > fermented music, free improvisation with a groove. Please join us for a > rare Manhattan show at CBGB's 313 Gallery. Each show has been unique > and special, like our namesake. > > CBGB Gallery 313 is at 313 Bowery (at Bleeker Street). > > If you want, check out our myspace page http://myspace.com/lambic . > We'd like to be all of your friends, also. I'm a long time lurker and > occasional poster, and I have a backlog of digests that I'm just going > through now Hope to see anyone from the list there, please come up and > say hi... > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 29 23:27:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98F9A3BFEF; Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003b01c65379$743eaa90$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <353e2ed80603290028p71c6779gf39d1cca42ca20f4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Interesting VST Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:33:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Found this collection of VSTs today. Interesting looking bit crushing and mangling fx. with a sprinkling of Anime graphics thrown in for good measure. ;) http://www.jackdark.net/darkwarefree.html Enjoy, Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 00:32:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20DF23BFDB; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Mar 2006 20:39:04 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:39:04 -0500 Subject: Re: ben franklins glass celestia amplified and looped X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060329203904.318833384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:32:18 +0000 (UTC) What an amazing instrument! I saw the singer/songwriter Michael Penn play = in Ventura years ago. The main thing I remember about the show (other=20 than that the drummer was DJ Bonebreak from X - one of my fav bands) was th= at the pedal steel player also played a celestia, also called (i think) a= =20 harmonium? He did some amazing stuff on it, running it through various pro= cessing gear. Would love to hear one looped! Joe Rut > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "daniel stevenson" > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: ben franklins glass celestia amplified and looped > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 06:24:58 -0800 (PST) >=20 >=20 > ive been playing one in my sleep lately & when i wake up the tips=20 > of my fingers are pruned up.im making loops but without=20 > hardware...it seems to be a psych~tele~phonic looping interface.i=20 > cant wait to get to back to sleep... >=20 >=20=09=09 > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC=20 > for low, low rates. > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 01:54:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19C2F3BFEA; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 01:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: interface for laptop musicians Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:30:46 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c6536f$a9dc9a40$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcZTb6jjgI7pj528Q5mZ1AA2zjUNLw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 01:54:37 +0000 (UTC) As a late post to the "audio interface for laptop musicians" thread: I = think nobody did mention RME's (new) Fireface 400. Features/properties at a glance: 9.5`` 1HE 8 analogue ons: 2 Micpres (eletronically controlled) 2 Line ins (switchable Hi/Lo Z, adjustable gain) 4 Line ins (-10/+4/+19dBu) (all line ins symmetrical) 8 analogue outs: 6 line outs (symmetrical) switchable -10/+4 channel 7/8: headphones digital i/o S/PDIF coax (up to 192kHz) S/PDIF optical or ADAT I/O Wordclock I/O MIDI 2 I/O pairs standalone capability, internal mixer controllable via MIDI power supply: either via Firewire or with included 100-240V SPS Price: they don't list one. I haven't seen a store which carries it yet. = But I remember a clerk telling me some months ago about an upcoming = "smaller Fireface" with a price "round =E2=82=AC600". Mhmm...looks tempting, especially the stand-alone features.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 09:02:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E36E3BFEB; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nico spahni Subject: laptop setup: unwanted clicks Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:04:34 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:02:54 +0000 (UTC) I've been experimenting with a laptop looping setup (Apple G4/1.25, RAX, Sooperlooper, various plug-ins). Basically everything works pretty fine if it weren't for those unwanted clicks that make themselves heard every now and then. I haven't figured out yet when exactly they happen - not necessarily when I change a setting or hit a button. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? What is the source of these artifacts? Cheers Nico From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 10:18:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5482A3BECC; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.240.122] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000301c6536f$a9dc9a40$0601a8c0@succubus> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: stutter in a pedal Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:18:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2006 10:18:55.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[59EC7C70:01C653E3] Resent-Message-ID: <_LkeYB.A.KnG.RC7KEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:18:58 +0000 (UTC) some time ago, we had a little conversation about how to get live "stutter" fx and we posted a few ideas about the sort of features we might like in such a device... anyway...i just came across the Zvex Tremorama....which has a "random" mode...see what you think... http://www.zvex.com/tremorama.html sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 11:21:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA16D3BFEF; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZFGU3TNwQ99Itdi36ppM+le3z07xFfytTjV8DKuj7ktIHfKPNLL6b4HDZYSMlnq1qaYzCdiEj+vnhMzdiM+cgT5kWjbtaZBPeEeXpX3ZP2NzDTsyGLPf0Vxrva5/ZdL7mg0UuEc1WJ7NKe5PkvYvxlX2W1MKktHqVvvuUA7+uYM= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603300321n457631d4o1d5236bb02d2d44@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:21:50 +0100 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stutter in a pedal In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000301c6536f$a9dc9a40$0601a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:21:52 +0000 (UTC) On 3/30/06, simeon harris wrote: > some time ago, we had a little conversation about how to get live "stutte= r" > fx and we posted a few ideas about the sort of features we might like in > such a device... > > anyway...i just came across the Zvex Tremorama....which has a "random" > mode...see what you think... > > http://www.zvex.com/tremorama.html I have four of Mr Vex's pedals and as far as I'm concerned the man can do no wrong. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 11:38:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014E83BFFF; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 06:32:18 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <442BC1C2.1080606@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <3ya1tD.A.wk.rM8KEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:38:19 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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WDIY now simulcasts on WXLV on 90.3 FM in Schnecksville, Pennsylvania. All times are EST / GMT-5. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 11:41:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEFB93C00A; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Triangular Guitar picks Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:41:43 +0200 Message-ID: <007b01c653ee$eb636780$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZT7nYs9yn2P37VTEmZUOevzLs6qwAADBxg In-Reply-To: <469708896@web.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:41:52 +0000 (UTC) I just got this information from guitarcraft.com: ------------------------------------------------------- We have picks of high quality material (Indian Rubber), specifically = designed and made in Japan for the Guitar Craft technique available for = ordering. You can choose between medium (0.7mm) and heavy picks (0.8mm). You can order them at a price of 35=E2=82=AC per pack of 12 picks, = including shipping via registered mail. Please tell us the quantity you = need and the address you need them to be shipped to. You can make the payment via bank transfer to the following account: Mariana Scaravilli Bank: SPARKASSE KIEL Bank address: Lorentzendamm 28-30, 24103 Kiel, Germany Bank guide number (BLZ): 2 1 0 5 0 1 7 0 Account number (Kto.Nr.): 1 2 4 7 6 0 0=20 SWIFTCODE: KILADE21KIE IBAN: DE42 2105 0170 0001 2476 00=20 BIC: HSHNDEH1KIE You can find more information, including pics & features of our "GC = Model" acoustic guitar on our website: www.guitarcraftguitars.com.=20 Check for updates, new items will be available soon! ------------------------------------------------------- michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 13:42:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AD743BFF9; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012a01c6526d$69958f80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Cc: "DAD's email" Subject: Re: ben franklins glass celestia amplified and looped Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:42:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for this wonderful post and that great website on the history of the Glass Harmonica http://www.glasharfe.de/glasharfe/texte/history.htm Because of it,I have been able to inquire about the manufacturer of a musical instrument that I have invented and always wanted to build (what I call a Liquid Glass Ghatam) It turns out that there is a link to the custom glass blowers who manufacturer the glass armonica So I just wrote them a letter in the middle of the night to see if they'd be intersted in building one and enquiring about what it would cost. I myself have had the Mozart pieces on vinyl for about 20 years and even got my dad to purchase me 6 high quality large crystal glass goblets for the expressed purpose of creating a pentatonic glass harmonica. There has also been an amazing musician based out of New Orleans who playes tuned Wine Glasses on the street. I've lost touch with him, but he would do everything from Stairway to Heaven to classical pieces on his 'insturment'. He was amazing and was very adept at playing rapidly with harmony. Actually having the Ben Franklin invention would be so much easier to play. I'd love to own one. I love the sound of wine glasses. It is one of the most beautiful instruments in the world for my money. It is so melancholy and the sounds last so long that you get a lot of beautiful suspended harmonies out of playing the most simple of tunes. Did anyone ever hear the amazing musical score to the movie, 'Cutters Way' from the 1970's? There is an amazing, beautiful and melancholy scene that opens up the movie picturing traditional Mexican Dancers, dancing in slow motion during the Rose Parade to an exquisite score featuring glass harmonica by Van Dyke Parks. The scene begins in black and white and langorously fades into full color by the end of the credits...............simply one of the most sublime beginnings to a motion picture in history IMHO. It's the first time I ever heard the instrument and it just floored me when I heard it. It's a wonderful and often overlooked movie about the emotional fallout from the Vietnamese war starring and incredible performance by a very young Jeff Bridges (one of Hollywood's most underrated actors if you aske me). Also, if you've ever heard a Bowed Psaltery, it sounds to me like a perfect marriage between a Glass Harmonica and a Violin. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 14:21:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 325233C006; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:23:17 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stutter in a pedal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:21:10 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, simeon harris wrote: > some time ago, we had a little conversation about how to get live "stutter" > fx and we posted a few ideas about the sort of features we might like in such > a device... > > anyway...i just came across the Zvex Tremorama....which has a "random" > mode...see what you think... > > http://www.zvex.com/tremorama.html I've had and used a Z-Vex Seek-Trem (the Tremorama minus the random feature) since it came out in mid-2004, and have several of his effects pedals and love all of them. It's a lot of fun. (I used it in several spots on those tuba loopage samples I posted links to earlier in the week.) About a week after I got my Seek-Trem, I wrote Vex asking why he hadn't included a random feature on the Seek-Trem, as he had on the Ooh Wah (a Seek Wah with a linear or random flow through the right circuits). He replied "to keep the cost down" and added that he'd built a (what turns out to be a prototype Ooh Trem/Tremorama) and that he hadn't liked the result of the random volume muting. I guess the idea grew on him over the last year or so :). (Next purchase: the Z-Vex Ringtone. Everything's better with ringmod.) Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 16:05:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4405E3C003; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JoQIN//CPTRK/r6qOHIGjBxc7PGHQoy+ivoGWRLuREILRPwe/ZVcCa8f1Doi48a1wK7R7hUgpeGq/lfgihALqBYh8u4sviOI5ITcJleELf+/N6+wJQ3t9V2ksEMrWIHKvSR4C4O/pv95jYtmhJh91PKIg5/ZK+ux5tPDYS27NRU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:05:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers, When working on a mag article about live looping (in Swedish) I did a quick comparison chart over some of the looping devices available today. This afternoon i had some spare time and converted the chart into a web format. If you should happen to detect some incorrect data or if you think that some additional information should be slipped into the chart, please don't hesitate to post suggestions. I intend to let this page stay online for the benefit of the community. http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php I left out the Roland RC-50 so far, because they are not yet available. I will borrow one for a while when they ship on may 23 and then fill out the chart on it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 16:09:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E9203BFFC; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:09:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <354.1066150.315d5ca2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:09:06 EST Subject: re. stutter in a pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_354.1066150.315d5ca2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:09:20 +0000 (UTC) --part1_354.1066150.315d5ca2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think the demo videos on that zvex site are tremendous. very simple, fun and informative. someone who obviously knows his trade, but who doesn't make you feel like you're at the auto mechanic's shop trying to understand.....well, you know all those parts and "thingies" that need to be fixed. too bad roland didn't hire him to do the demo for the rc-50 (which was worthless i.m.o.p.). it would be a dream to have the resources to pay someone like zachary vex to do a general demo video of all the different looping equipment....the basic functions anyway. big sky salutations, john floridis --part1_354.1066150.315d5ca2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i think the demo videos on that zvex si= te are tremendous.  very simple, fun and informative.  someone w= ho obviously knows his trade, but who doesn't make you feel like you're at t= he auto mechanic's shop trying to understand.....well, you know all those pa= rts and "thingies" that need to be fixed.

too bad roland didn't hire him to do the demo for the rc-50 (which was worth= less i.m.o.p.).

it would be a dream to have the resources to pay someone like zachary vex to= do a general demo video of all the different looping equipment....the basic= functions anyway.

big sky salutations,
john floridis

 --part1_354.1066150.315d5ca2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 16:16:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE29B3C00C; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:16:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:16:01 +0000 (UTC) great idea! one suggestion, perhaps add a column for retail price? at least it would give a relative relation among the devices. -3nki On Mar 30, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Loopers, > > When working on a mag article about live looping (in Swedish) I did > a quick comparison chart over some of the looping devices available > today. This afternoon i had some spare time and converted the chart > into a web format. If you should happen to detect some incorrect > data or if you think that some additional information should be > slipped into the chart, please don't hesitate to post suggestions. > I intend to let this page stay online for the benefit of the > community. > > http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > > I left out the Roland RC-50 so far, because they are not yet > available. I will borrow one for a while when they ship on may 23 > and then fill out the chart on it. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 16:19:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBB363C013; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: RE: laptop setup: unwanted clicks Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:18:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4D5@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: laptop setup: unwanted clicks Thread-Index: AcZT2LywlHgPKJugRjeF6cYUvwcRBgAObeiw From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <5Q-a_D.A.dtC.1TALEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:19:01 +0000 (UTC) > From: nico spahni [mailto:nicosp@gmx.net]=20 >=20 > I've been experimenting with a laptop looping setup (Apple=20 > G4/1.25, RAX, Sooperlooper, various plug-ins). >=20 > Basically everything works pretty fine if it weren't for=20 > those unwanted clicks that make themselves heard every now=20 > and then. I haven't figured out yet when exactly they happen=20 > - not necessarily when I change a setting or hit a button. >=20 > Does anyone know what I'm talking about? What is the source=20 > of these artifacts? The most common reason for clicks is that your audio block size (and therefore your latency) is too low. I'm not very familiar with Apple audio, but somewhere there should be an option to select a block size, typically with numbers like 128, 256, 512, 1024, etc. Select the next higher number and see if the clicks go away. The issues around block size and latency are complicated. Basically the sound card is constantly asking the audio application for a small block of samples to play. The application has to fill this block in a very small amount of time, a few milliseconds. If this block cannot be filled within that time, you "miss an interrupt" and there is a gap in the audio stream which sounds like a click. There are many factors that affect how long it takes an application to fill this block but mostly it is the speed of the processor, and the number of other plugins or applications you have running at the same time. The more plugins you try to run the slower the application becomes and the more likely you are to miss an interrupt. Some plugins are faster than others, delay effects are usually pretty fast but complex ones like convolution reverbs are very slow. If you can't tolerate the higher latency caused by larger block sizes, then the only option is to reduce the number of plugins you're running. Of course you have to be careful about non-audio applications that are also running. Don't be surfing the net or defragmenting your disk while you run an audio app. Everything else should be shut down. The second most common reason for clicks is simply software bugs. If it is a software bug, the clicks usually happen regularly, like at the start point of the loop, or after a certain function is performed. If the clicks happen at random it is probably due to latency. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 16:22:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7022B3C016; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ukZOsaxRmeJvbDogdhip3FZQ2pPBJCaBEbC6hpKo6mFvLn4UW9WLviAba9/chFe56zJ28EdnYkv5TLt2KM5FiuwtxSyfpaggk7vUAKekT8kfs/FEgTeOYma70qW8eKb7MSeKrz+DO36O5p60uRldFL4ixfjMrkr4v47zV7NQax0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9AA7DF47-AA2E-47CC-94D6-B0970F7F4477@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:22:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:22:10 +0000 (UTC) On 30 mar 2006, at 18.16, 3nki wrote: > one suggestion, perhaps add a column for retail price? Good suggestion! But unfortunately I can not afford the time needed for getting all the retail prices correctly into the page. Any one can easily do a web search to find out what the stuff goes for in his/ her local area. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 16:29:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 189303C015; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:30:55 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: laptop setup: unwanted clicks In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000d01c65417$51c7fe00$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:29:26 +0000 (UTC) When I run my Powerbook G4 with enough memory (728MB in my case) and a reasonable load, I don't get clicks - but, that's also using just my software and a VST. If I overload my laptop, I tend to get dropouts rather than clicks.If you're not overloaded, then it could have something to do with the particular software you're using. I expect we would have heard about it here if Sooperlooper was prone to this, so I'd suggest starting with just that and no RAX or VSTs, if you can do that. See if you get clicks (I know, intermittent problems are hard to diagnose). Then, add in one new thing at a time, play, and listen for clicks. When you start to get clicks, that puts suspicion on the last item you added in, but also on load, so you might try testing with just the suspected item and Sooperlooper to see if you still get clicks. Iterate until done. Oh - I just saw Jeff's suggestions too. Of course, he's right - there are often audio parameters youcan tweak. If load is the issue, you might even consider going to a lower sampling rate (trade off sound quality vs. annoying glitches). Did you hear about the programmer they found dead in the shower? He was holding a bottle of shampoo that said, "lather, rinse, repeat". Best wishes, Warren Sirota Come hear *The Sandbox* at The Monkey in NYC, April 23rd, 8PM - details at www.warrensirota.com/sandbox > -----Original Message----- > From: nico spahni [mailto:nicosp@gmx.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:05 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: laptop setup: unwanted clicks > > > I've been experimenting with a laptop looping setup (Apple G4/1.25, > RAX, Sooperlooper, various plug-ins). > > Basically everything works pretty fine if it weren't for > those unwanted > clicks that make themselves heard every now and then. I > haven't figured > out yet when exactly they happen - not necessarily when I change a > setting or hit a button. > > Does anyone know what I'm talking about? What is the source of these > artifacts? > > Cheers > > Nico > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 16:33:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55433C012; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <21b.a606c1e.315d6246@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:33:10 EST Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_21b.a606c1e.315d6246_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <70Lr5D.A.pLD.UhALEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC) --part1_21b.a606c1e.315d6246_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/06 11:05:39 AM, perboysen@gmail.com writes: > http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > per.....wonderful chart, thnaks.....on the rang under "pitch transpose" you have "half speed"....."the interval that the sound drops can be changed from an octave to a lower 2nd., 4th., 5th, or 7th.".....i like this feature a big bunch.....using a bell for example, the bell sounds too low at an octave drop but at a 4th or 5th it sounds more natural, it's a very flexable and individualistic effect.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_21b.a606c1e.315d6246_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/30/06 11:05:39 AM, perboysen@gmail.com writes:


http://www.looproom.c= om/looperchart.php


per.....wonderful chart, thnaks.....on the rang under "pitch transpose" y= ou have "half speed"....."the interval that the sound drops can be changed f= rom an octave to a lower 2nd., 4th., 5th, or 7th.".....i like this feature a= big bunch.....using a bell for example, the bell sounds too low at an octav= e drop but at a 4th or 5th it sounds more natural, it's a very flexable and=20= individualistic effect.....mic



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 --part1_21b.a606c1e.315d6246_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 16:39:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFF2C3C01A; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Zv1z1Hve9t4qEhr8dwrr1Mg+oaETUHlsZTn8FHdJ0fKFu9DZ++D3WtnyoXEcksgI2JTGfWqgx28g2b8p63lGtoQlblKKUoGWGlTw9nXIv0XMo/fqZlhM+k/m6PtR7mrqbMojb8bkWatmAN4ij7IRF+A0elZ++Qkr2uZMFa1NQU0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <21b.a606c1e.315d6246@aol.com> References: <21b.a606c1e.315d6246@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <04265CFE-35F1-4CEF-8924-4FA6BE1733EA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:39:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <1AVck.A.ffD.ZnALEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:39:53 +0000 (UTC) On 30 mar 2006, at 18.33, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > on the rang under "pitch transpose" you have "half speed"....."the > interval that the sound drops can be changed from an octave to a > lower 2nd., 4th., 5th, or 7th.".....i like this feature a big bunch.. Wow, I'd like that too if I had a rang. Updated the chart now. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 16:40:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30F2F3C028; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Donearlsto@aol.com Message-ID: <2cb.68fad00.315d6409@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:40:41 EST Subject: Midi output selector To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2cb.68fad00.315d6409_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:40:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2cb.68fad00.315d6409_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Hello, I am looking to send midi messages from my Roctron All access to one of three separate other units (Echoplex, Prophesy, Whammy) individually. Sort of a Midi equivalent of an A/B box. Devices like this must exist, but I am not sure what the proper name of such a device is and am having trouble locating what I need. Can anyone help me in my search? Or have better ideas in which I can achieve the same goal? I don't use a laptop in performance. Thanks for any help, Donovan Stokes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- www.donovanstokes.com --part1_2cb.68fad00.315d6409_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,
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 --part1_2cb.68fad00.315d6409_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 16:54:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F9CD3C00B; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:54:23 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:54:25 +0000 (UTC) woop, thought of one more thing - to the software Loopers section add radiaL by Cycling '74, if you get a chance. imho, it's one of the best out there. http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial -3nki From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:01:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 219353C019; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0af701c6541b$9a630a70$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:01:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 515, in=254785, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:01:40 +0000 (UTC) This is outstanding, Per. Can you add LoopyLlama? http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:05 AM Subject: Comparison chart of looping devices published > Hi Loopers, > > When working on a mag article about live looping (in Swedish) I did a > quick comparison chart over some of the looping devices available > today. This afternoon i had some spare time and converted the chart > into a web format. If you should happen to detect some incorrect data > or if you think that some additional information should be slipped > into the chart, please don't hesitate to post suggestions. I intend > to let this page stay online for the benefit of the community. > > http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > > I left out the Roland RC-50 so far, because they are not yet > available. I will borrow one for a while when they ship on may 23 and > then fill out the chart on it. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:05:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 270313C027; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jV7pRSnU2pX6K9urGjG9MDP+dW3yoXCVnMMuKmQtPyomAOqv4XdmXh7bBzRW9lYXF7ZrtG+98Ka7j9+DDZkuaWA99hLFQoh+C4yL+3KSAvd9IyPXJcWcWnYk3xyeMGjWg8i+MguhVVXeOGanhgmV41D8l24OgkFcL30YAYPBLT8= Message-ID: <353e2ed80603300905y33d70536o51046f3f48b8fcc4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:05:31 +0100 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Cc: perboysen@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:05:34 +0000 (UTC) On 3/30/06, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Loopers, > > When working on a mag article about live looping (in Swedish) I did a > quick comparison chart over some of the looping devices available > today. This afternoon i had some spare time and converted the chart > into a web format. If you should happen to detect some incorrect data > or if you think that some additional information should be slipped > into the chart, please don't hesitate to post suggestions. I intend > to let this page stay online for the benefit of the community. > > http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php I'm a bit puzzled by the line for the "Boss RC-20x". Under 'Undo' it says 'no', but while the RC-20 model has no undo feature, the RC-20xl does. I'm not sure which of the two models (RC-20 or RC-20xl) you meant to represent in the chart, so I'm not sure if this is correct or not. I'd suggest that since only the RC-20xl is available new now, that the entry should represent that. D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:07:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E74143C02A; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: RE: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:07:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4DF@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Comparison chart of looping devices published Thread-Index: AcZUGprjPTM+SCqfQiKOK+JZSLOg6QAAOkqQ From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:07:38 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: 3nki [mailto:3nki@modaldub.net]=20 > to the software Loopers section add radiaL by Cycling '74, if=20 > you get a chance. imho, it's one of the best out there. >=20 > http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial This looks like more of a static loop triggering tool than=20 what many would consider a "live looper" capable of recording new loops during performance. I don't see any mention of recording, overdub, multiply, feedback, etc. The fact that it comes with a "Loop CD" suggests that it wasn't intended for live recording. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:08:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 582753C03A; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gw/RV1nacijNw3kbN3mZ9nVfgHOrF5kbiyccC8bi0IDk5gJniiGA0wLD990KDfiP6RS3ef1f0vkOrHduDkYeqbpIs2v8LPlF6CoIU3Vf7YnW2JumFVMxymOUgo9i/6le7AsaVlaFjsosfj6CBbQY7OpOTksXSgzZLn7Ju8AWqJw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <96D55221-9A90-47A1-B7C8-E89D7EC798DF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Radial (was: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:08:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:08:22 +0000 (UTC) On 30 mar 2006, at 18.54, 3nki wrote: > woop, thought of one more thing - > to the software Loopers section add radiaL by Cycling '74, if you > get a chance. imho, it's one of the best out there. > http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial Well, Cycling74 says Radial is a "Loop-based Performance Tool". That's the wording I hear from jhno as well. "A looper" has to catch live audio to loop. Right? Or should we count that in as well? If we do that many kind of midi arpeggiators should also be listed. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:13:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 769BF3C037; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: RE: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:13:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4E1@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Comparison chart of looping devices published Thread-Index: AcZUE7pv603l8buJTXmXDZbCQF+NDAACL5qw From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Does the Looperlative really have unlmiited loops? Everything I've read suggests that it has a maximum of 8. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:15:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0B023BF50; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:15:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kmXBRu7QxneAmJEAL+pQNvTudWwrzqb1OEU5kIUxKBF3FjK3nqV1Wi9RqZJ13Y6QXstqH6MMTOQncSW3CQcjeECHIthGwXttVzXSESBVM2ELu609GFv1wVJRNJcZWkZbvwh6g4A7f8nRAGDdRrnl7Up47lGIaVTIoLAtz913w0g= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4E1@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4E1@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:15:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <-OwBCC.A.tOF.IJBLEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:15:52 +0000 (UTC) On 30 mar 2006, at 19.13, jeff larson wrote: > Does the Looperlative really have unlmiited loops? Everything > I've read suggests that it has a maximum of 8. Wasn't that "8 tracks"? I'll check out the manual. Have a preliminary PDF here. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:16:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39E203BFDA; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KM/f1b4ZfxE8YZ5qfyQWZbTG+6llI5Re4U1CJVGMFhoke3uWbr4L/UH3RBAMuexQAcgE5NpHrPZ8yw2l23IipbGlmDl5iFSVw1XdqTCV0QWt7ICqBgMbBhSkVlmicVaNovEL/ofwIyCUW1vcwrEmWpLDbppioXL9u27ii5fEIgc= In-Reply-To: <0af701c6541b$9a630a70$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> <0af701c6541b$9a630a70$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: LoopyLlama (Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:16:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:16:03 +0000 (UTC) On 30 mar 2006, at 19.01, Kris Hartung wrote: > Can you add LoopyLlama? http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 I hope so. Need to either read up on it or get some info submission from someone that has been using it. Looking through their web site now for a PDF manual or feature specification. Elotronix was also left out. Maybe that should go into the chart as well. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:20:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 284033BFDA; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: RE: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:20:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4E4@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Comparison chart of looping devices published Thread-Index: AcZUHZqFoMLDkyDETmSz84YjRA84HwAADuaA From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:20:47 +0000 (UTC) > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 >=20 > Wasn't that "8 tracks"? I'll check out the manual. Have a=20 > preliminary PDF here. There are 8 tracks, but I didn't see anything in the manual that suggested you could swap between multiple loops within a track. It always talks about selecting an "empty track" then recording into it. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:23:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 993613BFD5; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QO3kDdBdo1Ta0NIqZO36UkzeINdh+/S5pQNGAH0rJkBmUOyh0ZDxime01mOx2o3vR3cD56twB0/+5iUcCqs9xwFU7vFNUtXKoZGp8aJvc+gjM/XJKY3ZlUa5blHMn3ghsCQyxFtPneU0Yr06F5fP64DeeTjhWZQh+/3OK9Aw1dI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <493A75CF-2C17-4E62-8CA0-453733BA7EBA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:22:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:23:04 +0000 (UTC) On 30 mar 2006, at 18.16, 3nki wrote: > one suggestion, perhaps add a column for retail price? at least it > would give a relative relation among the devices. Good point. I'll put that in my list... But maybe it would be better to list an URL to the agent/developer, so people can get the correct pricing. I can not take responsibility for listing local prices correctly all over the planet ;-))) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:25:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13AC63C04A; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:25:06 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: RE: laptop setup: unwanted clicks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <442C1472.1080706@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:25:55 +0000 (UTC) >>The most common reason for clicks is that your audio block size (and therefore your latency) is too low. << An unstable 'master' clock signal can also cause clicks and pops. And of course AC power can pick up surges and other noises like the compressor motors in your fridge starting. I spent quite a bit of time chasing these pests in my digital recorder. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:26:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C3483C053; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZBjT7UYdWC/smbrK9WNQvtFDumJXN27tE21XZXCzUlMQ5pgWr9zl9aAHtpWSBI/eeIyNHA0rdh9R2U30rs2S72zPhRvABty2CUt7LFDf4TujpnRwDw/z0YyaJKCaoZNLalZpucuCgIYBAPcBgIIaqlFKho6yetsJPYlMCXVGSEc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4E4@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4E4@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <80B617B7-217C-4E82-9E3A-684265D2FC32@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:26:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <1rKpgB.A.fpF.1SBLEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:26:13 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] >> >> Wasn't that "8 tracks"? I'll check out the manual. Have a >> preliminary PDF here. > On 30 mar 2006, at 19.20, jeff larson wrote: > There are 8 tracks, but I didn't see anything in the manual that > suggested you could swap between multiple loops within a track. It > always talks about selecting an "empty track" then recording into it. Ok. Great. Thanks for the quick research. Neither was I able to find a "max loops" number in manual. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:28:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE4673C04D; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:28:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,147,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="190753629:sNHT22937486" Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:28:10 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.9-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:28:11 +0000 (UTC) How do you use this feature? I've haven't as yet used it because you have to stop the loop to change the setting.... Tom Hall www.freeimprovisation.com ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:33:10 EST >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > In a message dated 3/30/06 11:05:39 AM, > perboysen@gmail.com writes: > > http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > > per.....wonderful chart, thnaks.....on the rang > under "pitch transpose" you have "half > speed"....."the interval that the sound drops can be > changed from an octave to a lower 2nd., 4th., 5th, > or 7th.".....i like this feature a big > bunch.....using a bell for example, the bell sounds > too low at an octave drop but at a 4th or 5th it > sounds more natural, it's a very flexable and > individualistic effect.....mic > > www.ct-collective.com > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:33:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3EFE3C02D; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 207.215.251.146 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: pukunui Message-ID: <442C1630.3010903@theokcorral.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:32:32 -0800 From: Wyatt User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4DF@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4DF@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:33:28 +0000 (UTC) >> http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial > > This looks like more of a static loop triggering tool than > what many would consider a "live looper" capable of recording > new loops during performance. I don't see any mention > of recording, overdub, multiply, feedback, etc. The fact > that it comes with a "Loop CD" suggests that it wasn't > intended for live recording. radiaL allows for live recording into a loop buffer, and overdub recording. No undo. Once a loop is recorded you can slice and dice it, pitch/length change independently, apply a bunch of effects etc. radiaL will sync to MIDI. You are right to a certain extent. radiaL was not originally conceived completely as a live looping tool. This functionality has been slowly added. I think that it would be accurate to say that the live looping functionality in radiaL is not presented as its primary strength, yet it exists, to a certain degree. This simply by way of setting the record straight. In the interests of full disclosure - I work for Cycling '74 and one of my current projects is the ongoing maintenance and development of radiaL. Cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:33:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E9D53C039; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <96D55221-9A90-47A1-B7C8-E89D7EC798DF@gmail.com> References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> <96D55221-9A90-47A1-B7C8-E89D7EC798DF@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: Radial (was: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:33:31 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:33:42 +0000 (UTC) if you look at the features radial is a lot more than a midi =20 arpeggiator... does a "looper" have to catch live audio? i never =20 thought so. perhaps a "live looper" or "real-time looper"? radial is =20 a very versatile and creative piece of software for manipulating =20 loops and sound clips in either a live or a studio situation. it =20 lends itself to live improvisation. it's entire focus is on =20 manipulating loops in real-time, which to me seems like a "looper". =20 just my 2=A2 of course ;) -3nki On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 30 mar 2006, at 18.54, 3nki wrote: > >> woop, thought of one more thing - >> to the software Loopers section add radiaL by Cycling '74, if you =20 >> get a chance. imho, it's one of the best out there. >> http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial > > > Well, Cycling74 says Radial is a "Loop-based Performance Tool". =20 > That's the wording I hear from jhno as well. "A looper" has to =20 > catch live audio to loop. Right? > > Or should we count that in as well? If we do that many kind of midi =20= > arpeggiators should also be listed. > > per > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:36:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22D9C3C032; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1143740205!28738719!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9011@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Midi output selector Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:36:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C65420.82C87620" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:36:49 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C65420.82C87620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" might be a dumb question, donovan, but why do you need to "protect" each device from receiving messages intended for one of the others? can't you just use a midi-through box (or indeed, daisy-chain the devices' own thru' sockets) & put them on different midi channels? midi doesn't like to be run through passive switchgear, though if you can eliminate the possibility of operating the switch while a message is in transit, so to speak, then it is possible. a guitar tech could probably hook you something up, with four din sockets & a rotary switch or similar. years ago, I had a through-box with a & b inputs each passively switchable onto either of two sets of four outputs. I haven't seen anything like it recently..... check this site: http://www.philrees.co.uk/midi.htm y'see, now that everyone (sic) is studio-bound & using software, those of us that actually need to do interesting stuff with hardware & midi can't get anything useful anymore. I'm hanging on to my five merge boxes like they were bits of the ark or something. duncan/r.m.i. -----Original Message----- From: Donearlsto@aol.com [mailto:Donearlsto@aol.com] Sent: 30 March 2006 17:41 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Midi output selector Hello, Hello, I am looking to send midi messages from my Roctron All access to one of three separate other units (Echoplex, Prophesy, Whammy) individually. Sort of a Midi equivalent of an A/B box. Devices like this must exist, but I am not sure what the proper name of such a device is and am having trouble locating what I need. Can anyone help me in my search? Or have better ideas in which I can achieve the same goal? 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might be a dumb question, donovan, but why do you need to "protect" each device from receiving messages intended for one of the others?
 
can't you just use a midi-through box (or indeed, daisy-chain the devices' own thru' sockets) & put them on different midi channels?
 
midi doesn't like to be run through passive switchgear, though if you can eliminate the possibility of operating the switch while a message is in transit, so to speak, then it is possible. a guitar tech could probably hook you something up, with four din sockets & a rotary switch or similar.
 
years ago, I had a through-box with a & b inputs each passively switchable onto either of two sets of four outputs. I haven't seen anything like it recently.....
 
y'see, now that everyone (sic) is studio-bound & using software, those of us that actually need to do interesting stuff with hardware & midi can't get anything useful anymore. I'm hanging on to my five merge boxes like they were bits of the ark or something.
 
duncan/r.m.i.
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Hello,
     Hello, I am looking to send midi messages from my Roctron All access to one of three separate other units (Echoplex, Prophesy, Whammy) individually.  Sort of a Midi equivalent of an A/B box.  Devices like this must exist, but I am not sure what the proper name of such a device is and am having trouble locating what I need. 
Can anyone help me in my search? Or have better ideas in which I can achieve the same goal?  I don't use a laptop in performance.

Thanks for any help,

Donovan Stokes
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C65420.82C87620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:42:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66A383C04C; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAKSnK0SBaYYbLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060330182201.02dcc6c0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:30:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published In-Reply-To: <20060330170822.C1E6D3C039@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060330170822.C1E6D3C039@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:42:29 +0000 (UTC) At 18:08 30/03/06, you wrote: >If you should happen to detect some incorrect data >or if you think that some additional information should be slipped >into the chart, please don't hesitate to post suggestions. I intend >to let this page stay online for the benefit of the community. hey Per, that's v.nice. corrections (or are they?) DL4 does not have feedback control (fixed at 100% play, about 96% overdub) EDP does stereo record "by buying second unit" . I think it's unclear what you mean by "tap tempo" What do you think about a last column for "special features" ? DL4 .. Delay Models EDP .. complex arrangements possible. andy butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 17:58:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 298293C026; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-78062611 Message-Id: <41928a26d761235cd325e3650175a418@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:58:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:58:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-78062611 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Thanks a LOT, Per. Went to your site and enjoyed your music! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 30-Mar-06, at 8:05 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Loopers, > > When working on a mag article about live looping (in Swedish) I did a > quick comparison chart over some of the looping devices available > today. This afternoon i had some spare time and converted the chart > into a web format. If you should happen to detect some incorrect data > or if you think that some additional information should be slipped > into the chart, please don't hesitate to post suggestions. I intend to > let this page stay online for the benefit of the community. > > http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > > I left out the Roland RC-50 so far, because they are not yet > available. I will borrow one for a while when they ship on may 23 and > then fill out the chart on it. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --Apple-Mail-5-78062611 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Thanks a LOT, Per. Went to your site and enjoyed your music! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 30-Mar-06, at 8:05 AM, Per Boysen wrote: Hi Loopers, When working on a mag article about live looping (in Swedish) I did a quick comparison chart over some of the looping devices available today. This afternoon i had some spare time and converted the chart into a web format. If you should happen to detect some incorrect data or if you think that some additional information should be slipped into the chart, please don't hesitate to post suggestions. I intend to let this page stay online for the benefit of the community. http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php I left out the Roland RC-50 so far, because they are not yet available. I will borrow one for a while when they ship on may 23 and then fill out the chart on it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --Apple-Mail-5-78062611-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 18:07:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05A793C039; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Donearlsto@aol.com Message-ID: <31a.15bc7c6.315d7865@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:07:33 EST Subject: Re: Midi output selector To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_31a.15bc7c6.315d7865_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:07:43 +0000 (UTC) --part1_31a.15bc7c6.315d7865_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20 Thanks for responding. Right now I am running through each boxes thru=20 socket and using different channels. It works fine for my solo playing, Ho= wever,=20 what I was hoping to do was have each musician in the group have the ability= =20 to control not only the devices hooked into their own instrument, but those=20 hooked to the other musicians instruments as well. (clear as mud?) In th= is=20 way, the creativity and spontaneity is increased in improvisation.....of cou= rse=20 it could lead to a complete disaster as well, but the potential is interesti= ng=20 to me. In order to let one musician control one box connected to their=20 instrument, but leave another open for manipulation by another musician, liv= e, an A/B=20 setup seemed the only idea. However, I am not a midi guru by any stretch.= =20 Any ideas are welcome! I will check out the link you sent me,=20 Donovan Stokes In a message dated 3/30/06 12:37:40 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: >=20 > might be a dumb question, donovan, but why do you need to "protect" each=20 > device from receiving messages intended for one of the others? >=20 > =A0 >=20 > can't you just use a midi-through box (or indeed, daisy-chain the devices= '=20 > own thru' sockets) & put them on different midi channels? >=20 > =A0 >=20 > midi doesn't like to be run through passive switchgear, though if you can= =20 > eliminate the possibility of operating the switch while a message is in=20 > transit, so to speak, then it is possible. a guitar tech could probably ho= ok you=20 > something up, with four din sockets & a rotary switch or similar. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > years ago, I had a through-box with a & b inputs each passively switchabl= e=20 > onto either of two sets of four outputs. I haven't seen anything like it=20 > recently..... >=20 > check this site: http://www.philrees.co.uk/midi.htm >=20 > =A0 >=20 > y'see, now that everyone (sic) is studio-bound & using software, those of= =20 > us that actually need to do interesting stuff with hardware & midi can't g= et=20 > anything useful anymore. I'm hanging on to my five merge boxes like they w= ere=20 > bits of the ark or something. >=20 > =A0 >=20 > duncan/r.m.i. >=20 >=20 --part1_31a.15bc7c6.315d7865_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,
Thanks for responding.  Right now I am running through each boxes thru= socket and using different channels. It works fine for my solo playing,&nbs= p; However, what I was hoping to do was have each musician in the group hav= e the ability to control not only the devices hooked into their own instrume= nt, but those hooked to the other musicians instruments as well.  (cle= ar as mud?)  In this way, the creativity and spontaneity is increased=20= in improvisation.....of course it could lead to a complete disaster as well,= but the potential is interesting to me.
    In order to let one musician control one box connected t= o their instrument, but leave another open for manipulation by another music= ian, live, an A/B setup seemed the only idea.   However, I am not= a midi guru by any stretch. 
Any ideas are welcome!

I will check out the  link you sent me,

Donovan Stokes

In a message dated 3/30/06 12:37:40 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:



might be a dumb question, donovan, but why do you need to "protect" each=20= device from receiving messages intended for one of the others?

=A0

 can't you just use a midi-through box (or indeed, daisy-chain the device= s' own thru' sockets) & put them on different midi channels?

=A0

 midi doesn't like to be run through passive switchgear, though if you ca= n eliminate the possibility of operating the switch while a message is in tr= ansit, so to speak, then it is possible. a guitar tech could probably hook y= ou something up, with four din sockets & a rotary switch or similar.<= BR>
=A0

 years ago, I had a through-box with a & b inputs each passively swit= chable onto either of two sets of four outputs. I haven't seen anything like= it recently.....

 check this site: ht= tp://www.philrees.co.uk/midi.htm

=A0

 y'see, now that everyone (sic) is studio-bound & using software, tho= se of us that actually need to do interesting stuff with hardware & midi= can't get anything useful anymore. I'm hanging on to my five merge boxes li= ke they were bits of the ark or something.

=A0

 duncan/r.m.i.



 --part1_31a.15bc7c6.315d7865_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 18:11:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 120553C04C; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b4001c65425$5329cf90$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <353e2ed80603290028p71c6779gf39d1cca42ca20f4@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c65379$743eaa90$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Subject: Re: Interesting VST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:11:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 515, in=254910, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Tony. I'll try these out. I've been sorting through all my VST effects, and I have over 400 of them (most of which were free, and I spent about $700 on a handful of them). I just recently categorized them alphabetically, and I'm going through each of them to see whether I like them or not...and if so, load them in my VST host for future use. In the process, I discovered I like my Chainer VST host better than EnergyXT. It is very simple, and for some reason loading it up with VST effects, even though they are not active, doesn't bog down the system....EnergyXT has a problem with this. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony K" > Found this collection of VSTs today. Interesting looking bit crushing and > mangling fx. with a sprinkling of Anime graphics thrown in for good > measure. ;) > > http://www.jackdark.net/darkwarefree.html > > > Enjoy, > > Tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 18:16:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDB1D3C057; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4D5@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4D5@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-78864914 Message-Id: <22a6fff8634b4c1f7e50844c2656f844@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: laptop setup: unwanted clicks Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:11:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:16:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-78864914 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I second the thought that it's digital clock (not MIDI clock or time code). Most likely suspect. Another is, IF you're playing back prerecorded audio and have edits, in the old days I would experience clicks at the beginnings and ends of edits if the edits weren't faded in and out. Also, on VERY DRY days clicks occasionally reappear in my setup (ProTools etc). Static in the air. But always fading edits in and out kills 'em. I also had a SampleCell card that clicked when it got too warm! I had to reboot when it did. I would write the creator of the internal looper you're using and ask them about the clicking/clocking. Clocking issues can be a very infuriating mystery. But they can be solved! Good luck. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 30-Mar-06, at 8:18 AM, jeff larson wrote: >> From: nico spahni [mailto:nicosp@gmx.net] >> >> I've been experimenting with a laptop looping setup (Apple >> G4/1.25, RAX, Sooperlooper, various plug-ins). >> >> Basically everything works pretty fine if it weren't for >> those unwanted clicks that make themselves heard every now >> and then. I haven't figured out yet when exactly they happen >> - not necessarily when I change a setting or hit a button. >> >> Does anyone know what I'm talking about? What is the source >> of these artifacts? > > The most common reason for clicks is that your audio block size (and > therefore your latency) is too low. I'm not very familiar with Apple > audio, but somewhere there should be an option to select a block size, > typically with numbers like 128, 256, 512, 1024, etc. Select the next > higher number and see if the clicks go away. > > The issues around block size and latency are complicated. Basically > the sound card is constantly asking the audio application for a small > block of samples to play. The application has to fill this block in a > very small amount of time, a few milliseconds. If this block cannot > be filled within that time, you "miss an interrupt" and there is a gap > in the audio stream which sounds like a click. > > There are many factors that affect how long it takes an application to > fill this block but mostly it is the speed of the processor, and the > number of other plugins or applications you have running at the same > time. The more plugins you try to run the slower the application > becomes and the more likely you are to miss an interrupt. Some > plugins are faster than others, delay effects are usually pretty fast > but complex ones like convolution reverbs are very slow. > > If you can't tolerate the higher latency caused by larger block sizes, > then the only option is to reduce the number of plugins you're > running. Of course you have to be careful about non-audio > applications that are also running. Don't be surfing the net or > defragmenting your disk while you run an audio app. Everything else > should be shut down. > > The second most common reason for clicks is simply software bugs. If > it is a software bug, the clicks usually happen regularly, like at the > start point of the loop, or after a certain function is performed. If > the clicks happen at random it is probably due to latency. > > Jeff > --Apple-Mail-6-78864914 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I second the thought that it's digital clock (not MIDI clock or time code). Most likely suspect. Another is, IF you're playing back prerecorded audio and have edits, in the old days I would experience clicks at the beginnings and ends of edits if the edits weren't faded in and out. Also, on VERY DRY days clicks occasionally reappear in my setup (ProTools etc). Static in the air. But always fading edits in and out kills 'em. I also had a SampleCell card that clicked when it got too warm! I had to reboot when it did. I would write the creator of the internal looper you're using and ask them about the clicking/clocking. Clocking issues can be a very infuriating mystery. But they can be solved! Good luck. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 30-Mar-06, at 8:18 AM, jeff larson wrote: From: nico spahni [mailto:nicosp@gmx.net] I've been experimenting with a laptop looping setup (Apple G4/1.25, RAX, Sooperlooper, various plug-ins). Basically everything works pretty fine if it weren't for those unwanted clicks that make themselves heard every now and then. I haven't figured out yet when exactly they happen - not necessarily when I change a setting or hit a button. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? What is the source of these artifacts? The most common reason for clicks is that your audio block size (and therefore your latency) is too low. I'm not very familiar with Apple audio, but somewhere there should be an option to select a block size, typically with numbers like 128, 256, 512, 1024, etc. Select the next higher number and see if the clicks go away. The issues around block size and latency are complicated. Basically the sound card is constantly asking the audio application for a small block of samples to play. The application has to fill this block in a very small amount of time, a few milliseconds. If this block cannot be filled within that time, you "miss an interrupt" and there is a gap in the audio stream which sounds like a click. There are many factors that affect how long it takes an application to fill this block but mostly it is the speed of the processor, and the number of other plugins or applications you have running at the same time. The more plugins you try to run the slower the application becomes and the more likely you are to miss an interrupt. Some plugins are faster than others, delay effects are usually pretty fast but complex ones like convolution reverbs are very slow. If you can't tolerate the higher latency caused by larger block sizes, then the only option is to reduce the number of plugins you're running. Of course you have to be careful about non-audio applications that are also running. Don't be surfing the net or defragmenting your disk while you run an audio app. Everything else should be shut down. The second most common reason for clicks is simply software bugs. If it is a software bug, the clicks usually happen regularly, like at the start point of the loop, or after a certain function is performed. If the clicks happen at random it is probably due to latency. Jeff --Apple-Mail-6-78864914-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 18:16:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39C493C063; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <76.6664a38b.315d7a7c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:16:28 EST Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_76.6664a38b.315d7a7c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:16:37 +0000 (UTC) --part1_76.6664a38b.315d7a7c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/06 12:28:25 PM, tohall@rcn.com writes: > How do you use this feature? > I've haven't as yet used it because you have to stop the loop to > change the setting.... > > tom.....that's the bummer, you can't do this on the fly (re: rang pitch shift) and only the upgraded rang + allows for the several different shifts, the original rang just gave you the octave option.....to do this: hold the stack (speed) button down till the red lite blinks then step on the play (stop) button to change thru pitch options.....keep in mind that you can go down or up in pitch depending what setting you are in when you record i.e if you record a loop in the regular setting and stop, then hit the stack button, you go down an octave, if you record with the rang in the lower octave setting then switch over to regular you will go up an octave.....the way i usually switch pitches is i have other things playing, a loop on the mo-fx, some little loops on the zoom 2100 and then you can play like a mad man to cover up the silence of the switch of the rangs pitch.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_76.6664a38b.315d7a7c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/30/06 12:28:25 PM, tohall@rcn.com writes:


How do you use this f= eature?
I've haven't as yet used it because you have to stop the loop to
change the setting....



tom.....that's the bummer, you can't do this on the fly (re: rang pitch s= hift) and only the upgraded rang + allows for the several different shifts,=20= the original rang just gave you the octave option.....to do this: hold the s= tack (speed) button down till the red lite blinks then step on the play (sto= p) button to change thru pitch options.....keep in mind that you can go down= or up in pitch depending what setting you are in when you record i.e if you= record a loop in the regular setting and stop, then hit the stack button, y= ou go down an octave, if you record with the rang in the lower octave settin= g then switch over to regular you will go up an octave.....the way i usually= switch pitches is i have other things playing, a loop on the mo-fx, some li= ttle loops on the zoom 2100 and then you can play like a mad man to cover up= the silence of the switch of the rangs pitch.....mic



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 --part1_76.6664a38b.315d7a7c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 18:20:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B76CE3C03E; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <31a.15bc7c6.315d7865@aol.com> References: <31a.15bc7c6.315d7865@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: Midi output selector Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:20:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: craig+craigmccollough.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server784.dnslive.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi Donovan - I have a piece of gear like this: http://tinyurl.com/mastr (That was not my auction - just an example) I know longer use it, and it may be just the thing for you. Here is a link to the manual: http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi/english/synth/MJC8E.PDF Let me know what you think. I'll let it go for cheap + shipping Craig On Mar 30, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Donearlsto@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > Thanks for responding. Right now I am running through each boxes > thru socket and using different channels. It works fine for my solo > playing, However, what I was hoping to do was have each musician > in the group have the ability to control not only the devices > hooked into their own instrument, but those hooked to the other > musicians instruments as well. (clear as mud?) In this way, the > creativity and spontaneity is increased in improvisation.....of > course it could lead to a complete disaster as well, but the > potential is interesting to me. > In order to let one musician control one box connected to their > instrument, but leave another open for manipulation by another > musician, live, an A/B setup seemed the only idea. However, I am > not a midi guru by any stretch. > Any ideas are welcome! > > I will check out the link you sent me, > > Donovan Stokes > > In a message dated 3/30/06 12:37:40 PM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > writes: > > >> >> might be a dumb question, donovan, but why do you need to >> "protect" each device from receiving messages intended for one of >> the others? >> >> >> >> can't you just use a midi-through box (or indeed, daisy-chain the >> devices' own thru' sockets) & put them on different midi channels? >> >> >> >> midi doesn't like to be run through passive switchgear, though if >> you can eliminate the possibility of operating the switch while a >> message is in transit, so to speak, then it is possible. a guitar >> tech could probably hook you something up, with four din sockets & >> a rotary switch or similar. >> >> >> >> years ago, I had a through-box with a & b inputs each passively >> switchable onto either of two sets of four outputs. I haven't seen >> anything like it recently..... >> >> check this site: http://www.philrees.co.uk/midi.htm >> >> >> >> y'see, now that everyone (sic) is studio-bound & using software, >> those of us that actually need to do interesting stuff with >> hardware & midi can't get anything useful anymore. I'm hanging on >> to my five merge boxes like they were bits of the ark or something. >> >> >> >> duncan/r.m.i. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 18:30:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB3413C053; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,147,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="190804899:sNHT23069168" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060330102843.011cb8f0@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:30:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Midi output selector In-Reply-To: <31a.15bc7c6.315d7865@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:30:49 +0000 (UTC) MIDI Solutions has a lot of little boxes that could help including this A/B: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodab.htm Other mergers and splitters are listed on their products page: http://www.midisolutions.com/products.htm At 2006.03.30 10:07 AM, Donearlsto@aol.com wrote: >Hello, >Thanks for responding. Right now I am running through each boxes thru >socket and using different channels. It works fine for my solo >playing, However, what I was hoping to do was have each musician in the >group have the ability to control not only the devices hooked into their >own instrument, but those hooked to the other musicians instruments as >well. (clear as mud?) In this way, the creativity and spontaneity is >increased in improvisation.....of course it could lead to a complete >disaster as well, but the potential is interesting to me. > In order to let one musician control one box connected to their > instrument, but leave another open for manipulation by another musician, > live, an A/B setup seemed the only idea. However, I am not a midi guru > by any stretch. >Any ideas are welcome! > >I will check out the link you sent me, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 18:44:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB8053C051; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <442C2711.10409@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:44:33 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Great list, Per. Now can you change it to include all of the obscure loopers and features that I know about, so that I don't have to remember what they are? :) :) Just kidding. Thanks for putting it together! D Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Loopers, > > When working on a mag article about live looping (in Swedish) I did a > quick comparison chart over some of the looping devices available > today. This afternoon i had some spare time and converted the chart > into a web format. If you should happen to detect some incorrect data > or if you think that some additional information should be slipped > into the chart, please don't hesitate to post suggestions. I intend > to let this page stay online for the benefit of the community. > > http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > > I left out the Roland RC-50 so far, because they are not yet > available. I will borrow one for a while when they ship on may 23 and > then fill out the chart on it. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 19:08:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2A393C05C; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:0(88.109.254.225):SA:0(-1.2/5.0):. Processed in 2.956517 secs Process 32693) Message-ID: <442C2C6E.9070105@swyatt.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:07:26 +0100 From: Stuart Wyatt User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop setup: unwanted clicks References: <442C1472.1080706@Verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <442C1472.1080706@Verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Dan Ash wrote: > An unstable 'master' clock signal can also cause clicks and pops. And > of course AC power can pick up surges and other noises like the > compressor motors in your fridge starting. When I lived in Paris, my apartment was above a lighting firm that specialised in fluorescent lighting displays. The noise interference made it impossible to record without random clicks appearing... :( If you've checked your buffer size, cpu usage, latency and are using good quality cables, the next route to go down might be a mains filter to clean up the A/C into your music gear. - Stuart Wyatt http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 21:02:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12E3F3C05E; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jAVwaVZ9mPmCKSfKl16OIOWEY9bgVfWnWN1r97Y+tl2cnc4EctN8u4NlrfiMH/HvGucqGGryuvIjmSb+yNcyUcJE/mKN4EDx29eND18zcQI8h8fbuAvy3lO3dCVXDT7LydGe2dW0yxTOVkGZNhWWLqxr9WI+qOWkVkp8dM6p/Tw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <442C1630.3010903@theokcorral.net> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4DF@keel.sailpoint.com> <442C1630.3010903@theokcorral.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <13DF9C46-50F2-41CF-9E0E-D8C17D928B9D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:02:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:02:29 +0000 (UTC) On 30 mar 2006, at 19.32, Wyatt wrote: > radiaL allows for live recording into a loop buffer, and overdub > recording. No undo. Once a loop is recorded you can slice and dice > it, pitch/length change independently, apply a bunch of effects > etc. radiaL will sync to MIDI. > > You are right to a certain extent. radiaL was not originally > conceived completely as a live looping tool. This functionality has > been slowly added. I think that it would be accurate to say that > the live looping functionality in radiaL is not presented as its > primary strength, yet it exists, to a certain degree. Hi Andrew, Thanks a lot for the input. I have updated the online chart accordingly. > pitch/length change independently Does that mean "time-stretch of audio" or "changing the sample rate" (the loop length also affected)? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 21:20:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06FF93C055; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 207.215.251.146 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: pukunui Message-ID: <442C4B47.4000904@theokcorral.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:19:03 -0800 From: Andrew Pask User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4DF@keel.sailpoint.com> <442C1630.3010903@theokcorral.net> <13DF9C46-50F2-41CF-9E0E-D8C17D928B9D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <13DF9C46-50F2-41CF-9E0E-D8C17D928B9D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:20:55 +0000 (UTC) > > Hi Andrew, > > Thanks a lot for the input. I have updated the online chart accordingly. Thanks for doing this! that list is very informative. > >> pitch/length change independently > > Does that mean "time-stretch of audio" or "changing the sample rate" > (the loop length also affected)? Not quite sure what you mean about changing the sample rate. Once an audio loop has been established, there is a fairly inconvenient way of stretching it without changing its pitch by way of simultaneously slowing down or speeding up the loop playback while raising/lowering the pitch of the loop. You can assign a MIDI controller which will do both jobs at the same time. radiaL does not have a standard way of stretching the contents of a loop buffer to a certain number of beats or something without changing pitch. -A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 21:35:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6E473C05A; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IWbbBJFSkXZ7sIcZFNqPpJPHYbA9wSofz8N6Rno5nxAsHie1UK/Kb+MqCgU6ar5jBQfeCAlRl+Vca9zzeLkqU3uYeJmsBWmrlPJ9Gw8CKDrcLMqUumYQGQ7/YnoiN48/Qk882Oq8AiUhYTEkOdPsdukQfblPxnh/+JZso+vM0HY= ; Message-ID: <20060330213538.2762.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:35:38 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Radial (was: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7I_-a.A.PqC.r8ELEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Logically it makes sense to dismiss something like Radial as a "Looper" in this context. If you let it in the list, you'd have a huge list! All samplers have a loop ability... are they "Loopers" in the sense that we are talking about them here? I've done really cool things with LiSa, but even though it allows you to capture audio and loop it, I still think it's more in the realm of sampler than looper. I can loop an audio file using Peak. Is it a looper? No. Mark --- 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> wrote: > does a "looper" have to catch live > audio? i never thought so. perhaps a "live looper" or "real-time > looper"? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 21:41:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D25E03C06A; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <442C4FB2.90109@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:37:54 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published References: <20060330213540.6ABCB3C062@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060330213540.6ABCB3C062@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_zcrDC.A.q1C.4BFLEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Very cool to see this info all in one place... Thanks Per! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 21:58:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52E323C068; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZI0A0iCHuDDrTLdo1scgLT1rR9813OX99kb04QIkDo7Ua/qHBOgFHz5KoCMj5ztceU9T+OFsM9GemawGzFt2aJMnmagt4cC8cRYo1jjVf2NdOQqCQsaV6TRjODO3AovtGu7a7fHjr/E1H0OEboIMpgS8p0nEC+0JBnruH53Mm0o= ; Message-ID: <20060330215818.7380.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:58:17 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <442C1630.3010903@theokcorral.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Oops, disregard my last post... though I still stand on the defination Per's using. --- Wyatt wrote: > radiaL allows for live recording into a loop buffer, > and overdub > recording. No undo. Once a loop is recorded you can > slice and dice it, > pitch/length change independently, apply a bunch of > effects etc. radiaL > will sync to MIDI. > > You are right to a certain extent. radiaL was not > originally conceived > completely as a live looping tool. This > functionality has been slowly > added. I think that it would be accurate to say that > the live looping > functionality in radiaL is not presented as its > primary strength, yet it > exists, to a certain degree. > > This simply by way of setting the record straight. > In the interests of > full disclosure - I work for Cycling '74 and one of > my current projects > is the ongoing maintenance and development of > radiaL. > > Cheers > > Andrew > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 22:00:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B62D3C070; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <20060330213538.2762.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060330213538.2762.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <278744FE-CE9C-48F5-A909-0FF1B97C4E5A@modaldub.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: Radial (was: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:00:39 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <1BaUEC.A.RtD.KUFLEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:00:43 +0000 (UTC) have you read the specs or tried the app? radial is A LOT different than Peak! radiaL is the Logic of looping apps. like Live but better. it's built around the concept of loops and looping (not to mention improvisation and life performance). to me, that makes it qualify as a "looper". -3nki On Mar 30, 2006, at 6:35 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Logically it makes sense to dismiss something like > Radial as a "Looper" in this context. If you let it > in the list, you'd have a huge list! All samplers > have a loop ability... are they "Loopers" in the sense > that we are talking about them here? I've done really > cool things with LiSa, but even though it allows you > to capture audio and loop it, I still think it's more > in the realm of sampler than looper. I can loop an > audio file using Peak. Is it a looper? No. > > Mark > > --- 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> wrote: > >> does a "looper" have to catch live >> audio? i never thought so. perhaps a "live looper" > or "real-time >> looper"? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 22:09:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D9243C074; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-AntiVirus: Checked by McAfee Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:39:00 +0300 From: Denis 'Diz' Loskutnikov X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Denis 'Diz' Loskutnikov Organization: FWD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1552570968.20060331023900@spacenet.ru> To: simeon harris Subject: Re: stutter in a pedal In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Hello! Thursday, March 30, 2006, 1:18:52 PM, you wrote: sh> some time ago, we had a little conversation about how to get live "stutter" sh> fx and we posted a few ideas about the sort of features we might like in sh> such a device... sh> anyway...i just came across the Zvex Tremorama....which has a "random" sh> mode...see what you think... sh> http://www.zvex.com/tremorama.html First of all, it's a my first message after two years of lurking. This topic forced me to get out of hideout :-) Because I've developed a stutter pedal some time ago being inspired by that "little conversation". And like to show it to list. Here is the photos: http://home.planetahost.ru/~firewood/images/mixmaster_web_ns.jpg http://home.planetahost.ru/~firewood/images/mixmaster_top.jpg This cat is about a size of Zvex's pedals, and basically being a small active mixer|external send/return|A/B box - whatever you'll call it. Single knob adjusting balance between dry sound/FX loop. Two shiny buttons, latched (toggle) and momentary, mute FX loop. Depending of mode (pre/post switch), FX loop could be muted before send or after return. First mode useful to insert a short sample to delay in loop, and second mode is general purpose - could be used to blend clean and distorted sound, for example. Curious enought, this box turn out to be a very useful gadget - could be used as FX blender, DI-box, splitter, instrument switcher, stutter, volume switcher (to add some gain for solo :-) , feedbacker (send FX loop 'out' to 'in' for beautiful & weird sounds) ... and maybe a couple of other application. I mostly use it to send sound into PC for software processing and looping, and blend to dry sound. And stuttering effects, of course ! PS By the way, I'm from Moscow, Russia. Wonder if some other russian guys reading this list :-) -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 22:32:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69F9C3C07F; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <442C5C4E.2060706@knology.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:31:42 -0500 From: Dan Montgomery Reply-To: dmont@knology.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Out of sync looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:32:14 +0000 (UTC) I appreciate the help, especially from Per, on my decision of a new laptop for performance looping. If I may, allow me to through out another puzzle. It's almost time to replace my precious K2K. For years, I've been using it with sequences of MIDI and samples to drive my guitar rack, featuring a Repeater, via the thru-put of a FCB1010. The system has always synced rock solid. But, this board is getting pretty old, as it was a early version now fully updated. I want to retire it to the studio while it still works and sounds great. Besides the incredible abilities of the K2K synth, there are two specific features that I have not been able to find equipment or software to replace, and they are both found in the Arrangement section of its sequencer. It is the availability of both of them that has made this instrument indispensable to me. The first is the ability to set points within the arrangement that can be triggered via a pedal controller (in this case, an old Fatar MP-1). The second is the ability to set multiple infinite loop points within the arrangement. These two together offer me the ability to move around the song at will, soloing instrumentally or vamping vocally over the preset loop sections, while playing linearly through verses, choruses, refrains, bridges, yada, yada, yada; basically arranging on the fly. I think I can replicate most of this with Ableton Live 5, but not freely (only one loop point per arrangement). Here's where the looper content comes in. When I insert my MOTU micro express into the MIDI chain, the Repeater will not longer solidly sync. It gets close, but sooner or later swings +.5 to -1.3 bpm, and will not recover the downbeat. Not only will it not sync with the laptop, but responds the same to the K2K when it's clock is fed through the interface. From what I've seen here and on the Repeater list, I have a relatively complex rig that allows me to feed the Repeater from AGtr, a Roland VG/GR rig &/or a mic at will. I'd hate to lose this ability, but I gotta do something. Anyone have any ideas where to look next? I put this on the Repeater list also. Maybe with the help of both groups, I can figure this out. Dan Montgomery music.download.com/danmontgomery www.myspace.com/precentor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 22:38:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2DCE3C073; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <442C5DC9.50609@knology.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:38:01 -0500 From: Dan Montgomery Reply-To: dmont@knology.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Radial (was: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published) References: <20060330213538.2762.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <278744FE-CE9C-48F5-A909-0FF1B97C4E5A@modaldub.net> In-Reply-To: <278744FE-CE9C-48F5-A909-0FF1B97C4E5A@modaldub.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:38:33 +0000 (UTC) 3nki wrote: > have you read the specs or tried the app? radial is A LOT different > than Peak! > > radiaL is the Logic of looping apps. like Live but better. it's built > around the concept of loops and looping (not to mention improvisation > and life performance). to me, that makes it qualify as a "looper". > > -3nki Do you have a URL for radaiL? Google's got nada. dm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 23:00:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9EF53C080; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:00:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Regarding the LP-1, it does 8 independent tracks, with the ability to build overdubs on any of them, So far I haven't done any tests to run out of memory as I don't tend to loop realy long passages anyway, but i'll make a point of it and see what happens. Hello Per, thanks for the effort, its been raining acts and dogs in California, howz the weather in Sweden? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published On 30 mar 2006, at 19.13, jeff larson wrote: > Does the Looperlative really have unlmiited loops? Everything > I've read suggests that it has a maximum of 8. Wasn't that "8 tracks"? I'll check out the manual. Have a preliminary PDF here. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 23:02:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C77D83C086; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Midi output selector Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:02:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C6540A.EC9B6190" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <2cb.68fad00.315d6409@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:02:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C6540A.EC9B6190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit check out the edirol midi patch bays, made by Roland. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Donearlsto@aol.com [mailto:Donearlsto@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Midi output selector Hello, Hello, I am looking to send midi messages from my Roctron All access to one of three separate other units (Echoplex, Prophesy, Whammy) individually. Sort of a Midi equivalent of an A/B box. Devices like this must exist, but I am not sure what the proper name of such a device is and am having trouble locating what I need. Can anyone help me in my search? Or have better ideas in which I can achieve the same goal? I don't use a laptop in performance. Thanks for any help, Donovan Stokes -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- www.donovanstokes.com ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C6540A.EC9B6190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
check=20 out the edirol midi patch bays, made by Roland.
Bill
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     Hello, I am looking to send midi messages = from my=20 Roctron All access to one of three separate other units (Echoplex, = Prophesy,=20 Whammy) individually.  Sort of a Midi equivalent of an A/B = box. =20 Devices like this must exist, but I am not sure what the proper name = of such a=20 device is and am having trouble locating what I need. 
Can = anyone=20 help me in my search? Or have better ideas in which I can achieve the = same=20 goal?  I don't use a laptop in performance.

Thanks for = any help,=20

Donovan=20 = Stokes
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C6540A.EC9B6190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 23:02:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08A893C091; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1dmnEl6IUYwPfQI95uUJAteAhuj54FkF6kD018nVGfKlAQMamd4U/DYokHSfCztB3HGOkxkayUA4vSapw5jDfddqSVt3Ai2FXKzxW4XJj/Lpq1SCeqmcJHqTka4k+vuNCotMtYiuqYNnd+vJsnUfUxu+5kJVVyEzYux6X0T55i8= ; Message-ID: <20060330230227.51773.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:02:27 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Live-looper clip To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1974740013-1143759747=:51498" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1XrbuB.A.SRG.EOGLEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:02:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-1974740013-1143759747=:51498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Link to live-consert with the greate looper and guitarist Eivind Aarsets and his band. http://www.buggesroom.com/pub/studioconcerts/2005_9_20_17.7.2.shtml?cat=studioconcertskommende Aarset has also played with Hassell. best regards of Rune --0-1974740013-1143759747=:51498 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
Link to live-consert with the greate looper and guitarist Eivind Aarsets and his band.
 
Aarset has also played with Hassell.
 
best regards of Rune   
--0-1974740013-1143759747=:51498-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 23:51:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E3DC3C090; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RadiaL URL Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:51:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20060330230227.51773.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcZUTgcamF9edqdCQV6qcfBs0ifP8gABsflw Message-Id: <20060330235140.WEYP25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <5KWkEC.A.YyH.O8GLEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:51:43 +0000 (UTC) http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 30 23:58:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 854FB3C09F; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1178.128.193.37.212.1143763134.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <20060330230227.51773.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060330230227.51773.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:58:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Live-looper clip From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:58:57 +0000 (UTC) > Link to live-consert with the greate looper and guitarist Eivind Aarsets and > his band. http://www.buggesroom.com/pub/studioconcerts/2005_9_20_17.7.2.shtml?cat=studioconcertskommende Nice, Rune! Do you know what they're using for the video that's being projected onto the screen? Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 00:00:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEAFA3C0A6; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0bba01c65456$133a5b30$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <353e2ed80603290028p71c6779gf39d1cca42ca20f4@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c65379$743eaa90$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Subject: Re: Interesting VST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:00:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 518, in=267837, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:00:13 +0000 (UTC) I love Glitch Jockey! (the picture will motivate me too....) I just tried all these out...great stuff for being free! More toys.... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony K" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Interesting VST > Found this collection of VSTs today. Interesting looking bit crushing and > mangling fx. with a sprinkling of Anime graphics thrown in for good > measure. ;) > > http://www.jackdark.net/darkwarefree.html > > > Enjoy, > > Tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 00:19:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85E983C08D; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QKabvAymFKOC9orLPlnjAUg01Bvx3/xEU4iSf4+/BiupNj4mwTlUUbawC999XUK8EA8rEspqUebJZwVmrjOVwk4xmN2BBbTdorqiSaMaFyUo1hOlG/DQLQXP/x4kZT8N1xYXkg7P9meTU0KJPGcOPe62QJilgSvaMOk5GPQXjAk= ; Message-ID: <20060331001924.88912.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:19:24 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: stutter in a pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1552570968.20060331023900@spacenet.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Also, check out the Adrenalinn. A VERY cool little pedal. Great thing is it will sync to your midi clock AND you can program your stutters in a drummachine like way. A very deep pedal, that's just the tip of it's iceburg of capabilities. --- Denis 'Diz' Loskutnikov wrote: > Hello! > > Thursday, March 30, 2006, 1:18:52 PM, you wrote: > > sh> some time ago, we had a little conversation > about how to get live "stutter" > sh> fx and we posted a few ideas about the sort of > features we might like in > sh> such a device... > > sh> anyway...i just came across the Zvex > Tremorama....which has a "random" > sh> mode...see what you think... > > sh> http://www.zvex.com/tremorama.html > > First of all, it's a my first message after two > years of lurking. This > topic forced me to get out of hideout :-) > > Because I've developed a stutter pedal some time ago > being inspired by that "little > conversation". And like to show it to list. > > Here is the photos: > http://home.planetahost.ru/~firewood/images/mixmaster_web_ns.jpg > http://home.planetahost.ru/~firewood/images/mixmaster_top.jpg > > This cat is about a size of Zvex's pedals, and > basically being a small > active mixer|external send/return|A/B box - whatever > you'll call it. > > Single knob adjusting balance between dry sound/FX > loop. > > Two shiny buttons, latched (toggle) and momentary, > mute FX loop. > Depending of mode (pre/post switch), FX loop could > be muted before > send or after return. First mode useful to insert a > short sample to > delay in loop, and second mode is general purpose - > could be used > to blend clean and distorted sound, for example. > > Curious enought, this box turn out to be a very > useful gadget - > could be used as FX blender, DI-box, splitter, > instrument switcher, > stutter, volume switcher (to add some gain for solo > :-) , > feedbacker (send FX loop 'out' to 'in' for beautiful > & weird > sounds) ... and maybe a couple of other application. > > I mostly use it to send sound into PC for software > processing and > looping, and blend to dry sound. And stuttering > effects, of course ! > > PS By the way, I'm from Moscow, Russia. Wonder if > some other russian > guys reading this list :-) > > -- > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 00:35:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AE353C0A4; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XIdvLGhGqjnIBbPvQwa6FAPVWoui+a/+SndA1Cq/hyJxCPJpl1HTxOQeGEamYYTyQBK7PdvJz3aZJbhJa90GGwWZLc49eZSweBsPaRBJzmgkFMrqYyg8CZfazu/u5bnjGey6fCh+7MZUx8ZPpuyFZHUxV7tLZuH0w1jcK3gwm1Y= ; Message-ID: <20060331003527.66137.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:35:27 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Out of sync looper To: dmont@knology.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <442C5C4E.2060706@knology.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Hey Dan, sounds like we may have similar set ups... however I have the microexpress and I have no sync issues ever. My clock is being generated by Digital Performer 4.6. It's solid. Never have an issue. Can you describe more of your signal chain? My Repeater is first in line with one of the microexpress' outputs. I have my 1010 feeding into the microexpress and routed to the Repeater's outputs. --- Dan Montgomery wrote: > When I insert my MOTU micro express into the MIDI > chain, the Repeater > will not longer solidly sync. It gets close, but > sooner or later swings > +.5 to -1.3 bpm, and will not recover the downbeat. > > > Not only will it not sync with the laptop, but > responds the same to the > K2K when it's clock is fed through the interface. > > From what I've seen here and on the Repeater list, > I have a relatively > complex rig that allows me to feed the Repeater from > AGtr, a Roland > VG/GR rig &/or a mic at will. I'd hate to lose this > ability, but I > gotta do something. > > Anyone have any ideas where to look next? > > I put this on the Repeater list also. Maybe with > the help of both > groups, I can figure this out. > > > Dan Montgomery > music.download.com/danmontgomery > www.myspace.com/precentor > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 00:44:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C0043C0B5; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wyzOhjgMSxuorsHMvZGAV668X8O8anUG7ptq27n4Hl2tJ3NkiB4P6/BCyi/DHujPw4iTDwt7vr9MwnGKztUNlB3VqMb/xUXqOY9+K9wBdxyb3tVN+zlzIVroTq7qiTbnK1QLZ2fJ3d5RjCIv7DfZ7uW5ZG2/zZ+LybyLwo50/eY= ; Message-ID: <20060331004409.99313.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:44:09 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Radial (was: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <278744FE-CE9C-48F5-A909-0FF1B97C4E5A@modaldub.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Not recently, that's why I took back my post after reading that they added those functions. Now I'm interested in checking it out for sure. --- 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> wrote: > have you read the specs or tried the app? radial is > A LOT different > than Peak! > > radiaL is the Logic of looping apps. like Live but > better. it's built > around the concept of loops and looping (not to > mention improvisation > and life performance). to me, that makes it qualify > as a "looper". > > -3nki > > > On Mar 30, 2006, at 6:35 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > Logically it makes sense to dismiss something like > > Radial as a "Looper" in this context. If you let > it > > in the list, you'd have a huge list! All samplers > > have a loop ability... are they "Loopers" in the > sense > > that we are talking about them here? I've done > really > > cool things with LiSa, but even though it allows > you > > to capture audio and loop it, I still think it's > more > > in the realm of sampler than looper. I can loop > an > > audio file using Peak. Is it a looper? No. > > > > Mark > > > > --- 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> wrote: > > > >> does a "looper" have to catch live > >> audio? i never thought so. perhaps a "live > looper" > > or "real-time > >> looper"? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 01:13:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AE743C09D; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a401c652ce$0c7bac10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Audio Plugin Junkies Annonymous Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:13:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <6G3hj.A.fbD.RJILEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:13:54 +0000 (UTC) For what it's worth: If you are interested in a huge resource for free and shareware (and inexpensive payware) VST instruments (and other formats as well) for both PC and Mac then please come join me at the AUDIO PLUGIN JUNKIES TRIBE at Tribe.net http://plugins.tribe.net/ In the original postings at that tribe we came up with an enormous list of free VST plugins, especially. Tribe.net is free to join and they have an excellent privacy policy so you don't have to fear spam emanating from joining them. Many members of Loopers Delight are already subscribed and we are proud to number several really good plugin designers at the tribe (including our own Andy Butler). I'll see you there. Mention Loopers Delight and you can join for free. Ooooops, it already is free to join. Mention Loopers Delight and you will get a huge smile from me. Rick Walker moderator Live Looping Tribe Audio Plugin Junkies Annonymous Tribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 01:19:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 387E23C0A9; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:27:47 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published To: Message-id: <003101c65462$51ac1c80$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4E1@keel.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7kLKzB.A.9wD.4OILEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Does the Looperlative store loops on-board in the machine?? I didn't think it could do that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff larson" To: Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Comparison chart of looping devices published Does the Looperlative really have unlmiited loops? Everything I've read suggests that it has a maximum of 8. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 01:39:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E33263C0AC; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:47:16 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Free Frippy Download To: Message-id: <006001c65465$0a704dc0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C03B4E1@keel.sailpoint.com> <003101c65462$51ac1c80$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:39:23 +0000 (UTC) At The End Of Time - RF I try not to, but sometimes my curiosity gets the better of me... And this time I'm perhaps lucky. I went to check out the www.DGMLive.com website to see what music is available for free download. Currently there's a very nice piece called "At The End Of Time." It's really quite astounding to think this was a live improvization. It features the orchestral thematic development has been working the last 12 months, but also now with some soloing and a developed denoument. Worth checking out if you're into his sort of thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 02:27:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55CFF3C089; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:27:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:27:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003101c65462$51ac1c80$0affff0a@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:27:14 +0000 (UTC) No, it is volatile memory, turn it off and the loops are gone. Bill -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Does the Looperlative store loops on-board in the machine?? I didn't think it could do that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff larson" To: Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Comparison chart of looping devices published Does the Looperlative really have unlmiited loops? Everything I've read suggests that it has a maximum of 8. 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 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 03:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 827553C0AE; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0bda01c65470$836e1da0$35b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00a401c652ce$0c7bac10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Audio Plugin Junkies Annonymous Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:09:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 518, in=267961, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:09:26 +0000 (UTC) I second that recommendation! Whenever I need a VST fix, I go to da tribe, man....I'm overdue, in fact. Kris > For what it's worth: > > If you are interested in a huge resource for free and shareware (and > inexpensive payware) > VST instruments (and other formats as well) for both PC and Mac > then please come join me at the AUDIO PLUGIN JUNKIES TRIBE at Tribe.net > > http://plugins.tribe.net/ > > In the original postings at that tribe we came up with an enormous list of > free VST plugins, especially. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 03:40:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABD3D3C0B2; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OHdHki6fzr54HDdaqQVimK+C9uzaL6VW64z2on2X8Lj21SjgJomHhrZiAiaK42kWGAcFl0geQEC6VUdys81vCzykSpCRgN0Ot8mTuAi33cyHTlP9zawljy6chn9Q4oc7jTugBHHfdQLsExPXw+Yje86XaAxWXuMHSqREM7G8pGE= Message-ID: <2ab9fc770603301940w3a3d6732gd17538ec2c947f89@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:40:35 -0500 From: "Christopher Bell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ben franklins glass celestia amplified and looped In-Reply-To: <20060329203904.318833384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060329203904.318833384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Since I'm from Philadelphia, I'll have to chime in and let everyone know that Franklin referred to it his invention as a glass armonica, not a celestia. Being that it's Ben's tri-centenial and all we're sensitive about such matters. Amazing instrument, wish I could get my hands on one without dropping any cash. On 3/29/06, joe rut wrote: > What an amazing instrument! I saw the singer/songwriter Michael Penn pla= y in Ventura years ago. The main thing I remember about the show (other > than that the drummer was DJ Bonebreak from X - one of my fav bands) was = that the pedal steel player also played a celestia, also called (i think) a > harmonium? He did some amazing stuff on it, running it through various p= rocessing gear. Would love to hear one looped! > > Joe Rut > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "daniel stevenson" > > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: ben franklins glass celestia amplified and looped > > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 06:24:58 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > ive been playing one in my sleep lately & when i wake up the tips > > of my fingers are pruned up.im making loops but without > > hardware...it seems to be a psych~tele~phonic looping interface.i > > cant wait to get to back to sleep... > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC > > for low, low rates. > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow = Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.= asp?SRC=3Dlycos10 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 03:52:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D2EE3C0AF; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: ben franklins glass celestia amplified and looped Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:52:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <2ab9fc770603301940w3a3d6732gd17538ec2c947f89@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:52:57 +0000 (UTC) He also considered it his favorite invention, high praise considering everything else he invented. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bell [mailto:cwwbell@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ben franklins glass celestia amplified and looped Since I'm from Philadelphia, I'll have to chime in and let everyone know that Franklin referred to it his invention as a glass armonica, not a celestia. Being that it's Ben's tri-centenial and all we're sensitive about such matters. Amazing instrument, wish I could get my hands on one without dropping any cash. On 3/29/06, joe rut wrote: > What an amazing instrument! I saw the singer/songwriter Michael Penn play in Ventura years ago. The main thing I remember about the show (other > than that the drummer was DJ Bonebreak from X - one of my fav bands) was that the pedal steel player also played a celestia, also called (i think) a > harmonium? He did some amazing stuff on it, running it through various processing gear. Would love to hear one looped! > > Joe Rut > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "daniel stevenson" > > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: ben franklins glass celestia amplified and looped > > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 06:24:58 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > ive been playing one in my sleep lately & when i wake up the tips > > of my fingers are pruned up.im making loops but without > > hardware...it seems to be a psych~tele~phonic looping interface.i > > cant wait to get to back to sleep... > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC > > for low, low rates. > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 06:22:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 757593C05E; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VU+zodylK4rnqCfywZArzGdtBxtmLTYHsEC5au9AAr2WkjzstbY3G1C7sJ+ZOFA1aBG/z3wb/j/XI5brWJsY2J6fQQFGOt+ZuoJcSrRCN/x6aF6LF81OPcWuA+NcP6mrDtWsnamPir3ceHwCND3jW/z3hPQEdmnmC5MX4BYj3e8= ; Message-ID: <20060331062224.96202.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:22:24 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: how to blow up your equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060328011317.39C9F3BF57@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Omygod, you're not even blonde!!! > well, a couple days ago I did just about the worst thing you can do > to your gear....I blew it up! in a stupid, jetlagged moment that I > won't go into, I plugged my US gear into a UK socket. Seriously though, I'm glad that your beloved Repeaters are okay. Transformers that correctly suss out the voltage that's being fed to them are the coolest. My IBM ThinkPad does this, I would definately NOT want to see blue smoke coming out of that thing... Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 08:21:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB8F73C05E; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:21:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=njAWuZ+L+OWw+G2GqDU6C/fYjQQpwnD/0roa6w8FtnSkxlWOEK/RpyaEWnt1TrNWRsK46KeI2odJoOqe7yWRgCNlueJ27nxAacEDmfrqkvv7CiJkfZl8UpS3u8TMzNBCxpywJ4t3O83CM2g4YELWcFgKXALc29BpbhSRBOkA3kQ= ; Message-ID: <20060331082125.36561.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:21:25 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Live-looper clip To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1178.128.193.37.212.1143763134.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-901012316-1143793285=:34213" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:21:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-901012316-1143793285=:34213 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I do not. Sorry. Bugge, the owner of the website (a greate looper/pianist) could answer you ! best regards Rune F johnsrude@peak.org skrev: > Link to live-consert with the greate looper and guitarist Eivind Aarsets and > his band. http://www.buggesroom.com/pub/studioconcerts/2005_9_20_17.7.2.shtml?cat=studioconcertskommende Nice, Rune! Do you know what they're using for the video that's being projected onto the screen? Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com --0-901012316-1143793285=:34213 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I do not. Sorry. Bugge, the owner of the website (a greate looper/pianist) could answer you !
 
best regards Rune F

johnsrude@peak.org skrev:
> Link to live-consert with the greate looper and guitarist Eivind Aarsets and
> his band.
http://www.buggesroom.com/pub/studioconcerts/2005_9_20_17.7.2.shtml?cat=studioconcertskommende

Nice, Rune!

Do you know what they're using for the video that's being projected onto the
screen?

Cheers,
Kevin
www.TheNettles.com



--0-901012316-1143793285=:34213-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 09:16:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 517F63C06B; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LziDviaC3arvKU3pwTAzOvfffyiQytKZVzMbXBoA5GzyQGvMUCH/TLkepedPrpurfP8ZhRAm5hkKivXGsscJaZqU4XvbTQBOwA5K9tKe20ONGHbruAAO+XvZIG93VQCg5a6fTPxdVJRPoshVuSX4Zcapn7GwIQpF0LBuHNFXX5g= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <20060331082125.36561.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060331082125.36561.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4B090C1D-C126-4583-8DC8-76EFADC0F259@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Live movie projection ( Re: Vedr. Re: Live-looper clip Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:16:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Looks like they are using a projector, just like anyone else!? But maybe Kevin meant to ask for a specific type of projector that is good enough for live projecting like that. I'm sorry I can't tell about that although I've been gigging many times with movies being projected. But every PA and Stage Light rental service should be able to give you that information. It's what they do. per On 31 mar 2006, at 10.21, rune fagereng wrote: > I do not. Sorry. Bugge, the owner of the website (a greate looper/ > pianist) could answer you ! > > best regards Rune F > > johnsrude@peak.org skrev: > > Link to live-consert with the greate looper and guitarist Eivind > Aarsets and > > his band. > http://www.buggesroom.com/pub/studioconcerts/2005_9_20_17.7.2.shtml? > cat=studioconcertskommende > > Nice, Rune! > > Do you know what they're using for the video that's being projected > onto the > screen? > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 12:13:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27DE53C068; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060331041143.01ae1e68@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:13:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Live movie projection ( Re: Vedr. Re: Live-looper clip In-Reply-To: <4B090C1D-C126-4583-8DC8-76EFADC0F259@gmail.com> References: <20060331082125.36561.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4B090C1D-C126-4583-8DC8-76EFADC0F259@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:13:17 +0000 (UTC) At 01:16 AM 3/31/2006, you wrote: >Looks like they are using a projector, just like anyone else!? But >maybe Kevin meant to ask for a specific type of projector that is >good enough for live projecting like that I was wondering about the video manipulation or editing software. Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 12:17:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 034193C064; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.144.120] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060331004409.99313.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Radial Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:17:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2006 12:17:26.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[12C04360:01C654BD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:17:27 +0000 (UTC) last year i downloaded the free demo of RadiaL and had a play around with it pretty cool i thought, and this was before they added all the new features while i had it i made this little soundscape with it... http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/03_no_attachment_to_dust.mp3 it's just two versions of one original perfomance running simultaneously, but one is pitch shifted down and octave and is running backwards and has a Pluggo plugin on it (can't remember exactly which one, but it self oscillates) pretty "basic" in modern looping terms, but very easy to achieve with this app...worth looking at! as a mac user running OS9 still, i'm pretty limited as to what's available in terms of looping software, so it was nice to try this out cheers sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 12:40:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6351F3C074; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1552570968.20060331023900@spacenet.ru> References: <1552570968.20060331023900@spacenet.ru> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:40:11 -0600 To: From: mech Subject: Re: stutter in a pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:40:16 +0000 (UTC) At 2:39 AM +0300 3/31/06, Denis 'Diz' Loskutnikov wrote: > >First of all, it's a my first message after two years of lurking. This >topic forced me to get out of hideout :-) Heh! Glad to see you've finally come out of the shadows. Excellent first post! >Because I've developed a stutter pedal some time ago being inspired >by that "little >conversation". And like to show it to list. Okay, where can I lay my hands on one of these babies! :) Seriously, though, it looks good. The only other tweek I'd been seeking in this kind of pedal was possibly a "polarity" for the momentary switch -- one setting passes signal normally and mutes when pressed, while the other mutes the output constantly and only passes the signal when pressed. Then you've gone and added the effects loop and the mix control. Sweet! In any case, it looks like a nice piece of work all the way around! --m. -- _______ "I want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 13:41:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31DF03C06D; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [201.255.103.208] X-Originating-Email: [percurama@hotmail.com] X-Sender: percurama@hotmail.com From: "percu rama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: laptop vs echoplex Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:41:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2006 13:41:51.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDBDBE70:01C654C8] Resent-Message-ID: <5UMud.A.mqD.gGTLEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi everybody, I have a (probably foolish) question for you. How stable is to play on stage with a laptop based audio system? (pentium IV (2g) 1 g ram m-audio 410 card) Nowadays, softwares like Ableton's Live provide numerous creative tools, but, can the software replace the stability of the old echoplex? thank in advance _________________________________________________________________ Sé uno de los primeros a testar el Windows Live Messenger beta. http://imagine-msn.com/minisites/messenger/default.aspx?locale=es-ar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 13:51:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A016D3C076; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <509AFA6A-150B-4D2B-88CA-5377D92998DF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop vs echoplex Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:51:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: <6NVVY.A.g3D.MPTLEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:51:09 +0000 (UTC) On 31 mar 2006, at 15.41, percu rama wrote: > I have a (probably foolish) question for you. How stable is to play > on stage with a laptop based audio system? (pentium IV (2g) 1 g ram > m-audio 410 card) > Nowadays, softwares like Ableton's Live provide numerous creative > tools, but, can the software replace the stability of the old > echoplex? Yes it can, but that's no general rule. Stability of a laptop used for audio depends on many factors, hardware and software as well as how well you maintain the system. So it's actually not possible say that it's stable in general. And speaking about hardware staying power I would guess that an EDP outlives a dozen laptops ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 14:21:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 936A63C079; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,151,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="191506856:sNHT24722216" Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:21:37 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.9-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <27941b09.a1aaff49.8230a00@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, you are so kind to reply in such detail! I knew how the feature worked - just couldn't figure out any way to use it in making music - too much dead space. Now I know - I have to get another looping device!!! I've only got the one boomerang, but I'm enjoying the heck out of it. Being a former acoustiholic, I figger I better off take it one pedal at a time... tom ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:16:28 EST >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > In a message dated 3/30/06 12:28:25 PM, > tohall@rcn.com writes: > > How do you use this feature? > I've haven't as yet used it because you have to > stop the loop to > change the setting.... > > tom.....that's the bummer, you can't do this on the > fly (re: rang pitch shift) and only the upgraded > rang + allows for the several different shifts, the > original rang just gave you the octave option.....to > do this: hold the stack (speed) button down till the > red lite blinks then step on the play (stop) button > to change thru pitch options.....keep in mind that > you can go down or up in pitch depending what > setting you are in when you record i.e if you record > a loop in the regular setting and stop, then hit the > stack button, you go down an octave, if you record > with the rang in the lower octave setting then > switch over to regular you will go up an > octave.....the way i usually switch pitches is i > have other things playing, a loop on the mo-fx, some > little loops on the zoom 2100 and then you can play > like a mad man to cover up the silence of the switch > of the rangs pitch.....mic > > www.ct-collective.com > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 14:45:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89D1C3C078; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.03,151,1141621200"; d="scan'208"; a="2114562880:sNHT30412128" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060331082125.36561.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060331082125.36561.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-152952800 Message-Id: <031a22090735bd9196eaf20f30d9fb01@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Live-looper clip Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:46:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <8iyUP.A.tgF.RCULEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:45:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-152952800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yo! Thanks for posting this! Over the last few years I have really come to =20= like and appreciate the music of Nils Petter Molvaer -- and in particular the loopy presence of his guitarist Eivind Aarset. Nice live clip, though =20= actually, I found the video projecting a bit of a distraction. But I understand =20= it was a club setting. Thanks for sharing. tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? On Mar 31, 2006, at 12:21 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > > Link to live-consert with the greate looper and guitarist Eivind =20 > Aarsets and > > his band. =20 > http://www.buggesroom.com/pub/studioconcerts/2005_9_20_17.7.2.shtml?=20= > cat=3Dstudioconcertskommende --Apple-Mail-2-152952800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yo! Thanks for posting this! Over the last few years I have really come to like and appreciate the music of Nils Petter Molvaer -- and in particular the loopy presence of his guitarist Eivind Aarset. Nice live clip, though actually, I found the video projecting a bit of a distraction. But I understand it was a club setting. Thanks for sharing. tEd =AE kiLLiAn 807F,807F,807F"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? On Mar 31, 2006, at 12:21 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > Link to live-consert with the greate looper and guitarist Eivind Aarsets and > his band. = http://www.buggesroom.com/pub/studioconcerts/2005_9_20_17.7.2.shtml?cat=3D= studioconcertskommende = --Apple-Mail-2-152952800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 15:24:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82D0D3C07A; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4BnaJhtpjlYVFdV9P8aUZppoMPn520WZw89Iaxdq8ctR2/I8DgDRpsR/AOJwS7P99jaMJiCF30z8yI6VVG7ke/LIBoK94l2nK96ysBDQoNElC6Y6pt1ElXPH+ojERg/pwBgfbEZMjIuM5Nra6QCim0wehvFPUFAGPyNZ6viXG5U= ; Message-ID: <20060331152400.35549.qmail@web37910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:24:00 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-424490403-1143818640=:35275" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:24:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-424490403-1143818640=:35275 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cool chart, dl4 is battery powered =4c-cell 25-35 hours.maybe a max loop time & max layers would be good for the chart too?what do you mean by presets?dl4 has preset delays but not in loop funtion,but it will stay where you left it last in loop.thanks for taking the time to post the chart. diabolicaly yours, scary. Per Boysen wrote: Hi Loopers, When working on a mag article about live looping (in Swedish) I did a quick comparison chart over some of the looping devices available today. This afternoon i had some spare time and converted the chart into a web format. If you should happen to detect some incorrect data or if you think that some additional information should be slipped into the chart, please don't hesitate to post suggestions. I intend to let this page stay online for the benefit of the community. http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php I left out the Roland RC-50 so far, because they are not yet available. I will borrow one for a while when they ship on may 23 and then fill out the chart on it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-424490403-1143818640=:35275 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
cool chart,
        dl4 is battery powered =4c-cell 25-35 hours.maybe a max loop time & max layers would be good for the chart too?what do you mean by presets?dl4 has preset delays but not in loop funtion,but it will stay where you left it last in loop.thanks for taking the time to post the chart.
                                     diabolicaly yours,
                                                              scary.
Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Loopers,

When working on a mag article about live looping (in Swedish) I did a
quick comparison chart over some of the looping devices available
today. This afternoon i had some spare time and converted the chart
into a web format. If you should happen to detect some incorrect data
or if you think that some additional information should be slipped
into the chart, please don't hesitate to post suggestions. I intend
to let this page stay online for the benefit of the community.

http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php

I left out the Roland RC-50 so far, because they are not yet
available. I will borrow one for a while when they ship on may 23 and
then fill out the chart on it.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen



Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-424490403-1143818640=:35275-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 15:34:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BC843C072; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <20060331152400.35549.qmail@web37910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060331152400.35549.qmail@web37910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3EAE09AC-7ED2-4A5D-8951-51F4C56834C3@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:34:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:34:31 +0000 (UTC) On 31 mar 2006, at 17.24, daniel stevenson wrote: > cool chart, > dl4 is battery powered =4c-cell 25-35 hours.maybe a max > loop time & max layers would be good for the chart too? Thanks! I updated the chart with this info. Max loop time and max layers depends on a lot of different factors, so it would make the chart too dense if i should go into that as well. All manufacturers web sites are linked now so anyone can go to the right place for detailed info on any specific device. > what do you mean by presets?dl4 has preset delays but not in loop > funtion, Well, if the device itself doesn't have too many different functions to be adjusted, there would be no need for presets anyway. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 15:42:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53FC43C07F; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:27:18 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop vs echoplex Message-ID: <20060331142718.GA19429@tanawana.zoominternet.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:42:51 +0000 (UTC) I say it depends on "how" you use it to loop or how involved you want to be. I use an ableton/powerbook loaded with a bunch of midi loops running into external sound modules. I do all my "live" looping with my echoplex then. Ableton can be set up to do some nice looping scenarios I found all by itself. I like it better with the computer/echoplex combination. Sort of a backup and then not pushing the computer to its limits. My labtop can do everything I need i to but it still is to unreliable in a live situation for me. I play solo and can't afford any hiccups. That and 4 hours can heat up a laptop nicely, which always made me feel uncomfortable. And finally, no matter how well a computer is set up - they can crash or who knows. I think a computer as a 100% laptop live looping performance tool isn't quite there yet - Unless you are up to speed with the ins and outs of computers themselves :O) On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 01:41:50PM +0000, percu rama wrote: > Hi everybody, > I have a (probably foolish) question for you. How stable is to play on > stage with a laptop based audio system? (pentium IV (2g) 1 g ram m-audio > 410 card) > Nowadays, softwares like Ableton's Live provide numerous creative tools, > but, can the software replace the stability of the old echoplex? > thank in advance > > _________________________________________________________________ > S? uno de los primeros a testar el Windows Live Messenger beta. > http://imagine-msn.com/minisites/messenger/default.aspx?locale=es-ar > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 16:11:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A14763C07B; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:13:27 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: laptop vs echoplex In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000d01c654de$10d3d9b0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:11:40 +0000 (UTC) You might want to look in the archives. A month or two ago we probably = had a hundred posts about this kind of thing. Best wishes, Warren Sirota =20 Come hear *The Sandbox* at The Monkey in NYC, April 23rd, 8PM - details = at www.warrensirota.com/sandbox > -----Original Message----- > From: percu rama [mailto:percurama@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:42 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: laptop vs echoplex >=20 >=20 > Hi everybody, > I have a (probably foolish) question for you. How stable is=20 > to play on stage=20 > with a laptop based audio system? (pentium IV (2g) 1 g ram=20 > m-audio 410 card) Nowadays, softwares like Ableton's Live=20 > provide numerous creative tools,=20 > but, can the software replace the stability of the old=20 > echoplex? thank in advance >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > S=E9 uno de los primeros a testar el Windows Live Messenger beta.=20 > http://imagine-msn.com/minisites/messenger/default.aspx?locale=3Des-ar >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 16:26:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2030B3C097; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DqA0jd5MIVJykPNCqvA7Ock3dKL4Jz17Mekd5SHxfJq3M/m1gkeA/g/azJMxjbwvQc51w2pgWrWGFNdl5KyEUgHFhXqW4tK6LKWZ9g+MfjtkXrg0aMHW/ABBKe84Jpu8Mp799B+zDt6US9W/+P8Yu7w8cf+rWeXKGb7taKdcrwE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:26:47 -0500 From: "Nick Schillace" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cheap FX for Teaching MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:26:50 +0000 (UTC) HI- i was wondering if anyone might be able to suggest a nice multi FX to use when teaching guitar/bass. i run an instruction studio here in detroit that does about 200 lessons per week (mostly guitar). i have 3 rooms for guitar so i would need something cheap to get one for each room. it doesn't have to have spectacular quality FX but it would be great to have something with wide range of choices to expose students to a lot of sounds. of course it would be GREAT to have a modest looper included with some overdub capabilities. some type of drum machine would be cool too. any help? nick schillace www.nickschillace.com www.myspace.com/nickschillace From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 16:30:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC1563C097; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F263150-EEAC-4F13-9E99-ED333928AF50@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Cheap FX for Teaching Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:30:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:30:10 +0000 (UTC) On 31 mar 2006, at 18.26, Nick Schillace wrote: > something with wide range of choices to expose > students to a lot of sounds. of course it would be GREAT to have a > modest looper included with some overdub capabilities. some type of > drum machine would be cool too. How about the Digitech GNX300? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 16:36:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A32C63C092; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:36:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TYysb4oXPUQiIaeJx8HH7XMiJOSkdyuEQBFykPo1KB0ha0vVmfNBp8GH9Ef+O1OgDktJHnBvylGtZ4ZE0ebfFqbUJtIqf+Oxqy0duzXjeyl1z2/YofnU6Kjz+twl8rW6iDhxReQXkWLc2hsqJ3qLM9+7E43KhSaRknDuAIye1OE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:36:18 -0500 From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cheap FX for Teaching In-Reply-To: <8F263150-EEAC-4F13-9E99-ED333928AF50@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <8F263150-EEAC-4F13-9E99-ED333928AF50@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:36:19 +0000 (UTC) that might be a little too pricey. are any of the zoom boards recommended? = ns On 3/31/06, Per Boysen wrote: > On 31 mar 2006, at 18.26, Nick Schillace wrote: > > > something with wide range of choices to expose > > students to a lot of sounds. of course it would be GREAT to have a > > modest looper included with some overdub capabilities. some type of > > drum machine would be cool too. > > > How about the Digitech GNX300? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 17:15:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 851EF3C08D; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Zoe Keating with Imogen Heap - don't miss it! Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:15:30 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I finally got to see Zoe play last night, first opening for, and then in the band with Imogen Heap. It was a real treat to hear both sets, all very inspiring stuff. For loopage, I don't think I've ever seen a more fascinating gig than Imogen's - her and Zoe both looping lots, and using it to fantastically musical effect - very little gimmickry here. Had a lovely chat with Zoe and Imogen after the gig too, lovely people making lovely music. What's not to love? :o) If the tour comes near you, you'd be mad to miss it, cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 17:23:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DF783C088; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060331091955.01ae3eb8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:23:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published In-Reply-To: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:23:23 +0000 (UTC) At 08:05 AM 3/30/2006, you wrote: >...If you should happen to detect some incorrect data >or if you think that some additional information should be slipped >into the chart, please don't hesitate to post suggestions... >http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php "Tinker" is to manipulate. "Tinkle" is to micturate. :-) Cheers, Kevin PS: "Tinkle" is also to tintinnabulate. But it didn't scan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 17:24:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 456CA3C093; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=X2QOyB9mfq8ylS6BAu/qj2YvxsjkAHl1xoSWPOzzPvNkcLp0QeTwP5mkIW/NSvOO4hkVgn1eV2rLwpaEX1RoWugN5rUDLzYn6cPjuswSY/Fno7eVf7v2QOccqARhFtc5xi+Ounj8KqdC1BLQnPZkbL3J9obCf8uaxq7FtsPrAp0= ; Message-ID: <20060331172420.72380.qmail@web37912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:24:20 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3EAE09AC-7ED2-4A5D-8951-51F4C56834C3@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-587426445-1143825860=:71799" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:24:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-587426445-1143825860=:71799 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yea max layers is a bit unpredictable....maybe a loop time available like the rc 20xl has about 16 min of total loop & the dl4 has 28 seconds at half speed with unlimited overdubs"at least till things degrade"("faux feedback") yea i guess that could get a bit dense come to think about it.& most folks know what each machine offers anyway,but nice chart none the less... keep up the good work ( ,':-}) scary Per Boysen wrote: On 31 mar 2006, at 17.24, daniel stevenson wrote: > cool chart, > dl4 is battery powered =4c-cell 25-35 hours.maybe a max > loop time & max layers would be good for the chart too? Thanks! I updated the chart with this info. Max loop time and max layers depends on a lot of different factors, so it would make the chart too dense if i should go into that as well. All manufacturers web sites are linked now so anyone can go to the right place for detailed info on any specific device. > what do you mean by presets?dl4 has preset delays but not in loop > funtion, Well, if the device itself doesn't have too many different functions to be adjusted, there would be no need for presets anyway. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-587426445-1143825860=:71799 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
yea max layers is a bit unpredictable....maybe a loop time available like the rc 20xl has about 16 min of total loop & the dl4 has 28 seconds at half speed with unlimited overdubs"at least till things degrade"("faux feedback") yea i guess that could get a bit dense come to think about it.& most folks know what each machine offers anyway,but nice chart none the less...
                                  keep up the good work  ( ,':-})  
                                                              scary
Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On 31 mar 2006, at 17.24, daniel stevenson wrote:

> cool chart,
> dl4 is battery powered =4c-cell 25-35 hours.maybe a max
> loop time & max layers would be good for the chart too?

Thanks! I updated the chart with this info. Max loop time and max
layers depends on a lot of different factors, so it would make the
chart too dense if i should go into that as well. All manufacturers
web sites are linked now so anyone can go to the right place for
detailed info on any specific device.

> what do you mean by presets?dl4 has preset delays but not in loop
> funtion,

Well, if the device itself doesn't have too many different functions
to be adjusted, there would be no need for presets anyway.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?
id=128679560&s=143456





New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-587426445-1143825860=:71799-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 17:35:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA9263C09F; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TDYhwY/en7EloUPQO3dN4cxFxFj2goNH//xwUtFrW128UuKxTGUluIlAfLf4IEqLR9P1R8SYDJRSKcOa448GxT+LS7hPcW+Mz5TT2n0jlwENCrLXIsq3x8L5RfOYKYBN0fi8y9PESfnZrTSyyn/gziTN0Rr6bu4/jh3giy56Ybg= ; Message-ID: <20060331173513.83576.qmail@web37910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:35:13 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Cheap FX for Teaching To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1961665521-1143826513=:83276" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:35:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-1961665521-1143826513=:83276 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hey teach, sounds like you need some of those 60 dollor zoom pedals.most have built in beats...at least metronome quality that is. i dont think they have more than a 5 second loop but i really dont know.even cheap loopers are pricey.hey cheap looper is the oxymoron of the day! good luck, scary visionary Nick Schillace wrote: HI- i was wondering if anyone might be able to suggest a nice multi FX to use when teaching guitar/bass. i run an instruction studio here in detroit that does about 200 lessons per week (mostly guitar). i have 3 rooms for guitar so i would need something cheap to get one for each room. it doesn't have to have spectacular quality FX but it would be great to have something with wide range of choices to expose students to a lot of sounds. of course it would be GREAT to have a modest looper included with some overdub capabilities. some type of drum machine would be cool too. any help? nick schillace www.nickschillace.com www.myspace.com/nickschillace --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-1961665521-1143826513=:83276 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hey teach,
          sounds like you need some of those 60 dollor zoom pedals.most have built in beats...at least metronome quality that is. i dont think they have more than a 5 second loop but i really dont know.even cheap loopers are pricey.hey cheap looper is the oxymoron of the day!
                                       good luck,
                                                      scary visionary
                                         
Nick Schillace <americansketch@gmail.com> wrote:
HI-

i was wondering if anyone might be able to suggest a nice multi FX to
use when teaching guitar/bass. i run an instruction studio here in
detroit that does about 200 lessons per week (mostly guitar).

i have 3 rooms for guitar so i would need something cheap to get one
for each room. it doesn't have to have spectacular quality FX but it
would be great to have something with wide range of choices to expose
students to a lot of sounds. of course it would be GREAT to have a
modest looper included with some overdub capabilities. some type of
drum machine would be cool too.

any help?

nick schillace
www.nickschillace.com
www.myspace.com/nickschillace


Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-1961665521-1143826513=:83276-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 18:01:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C00AC3C099; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001f01c654ed$1c3cd950$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <8F263150-EEAC-4F13-9E99-ED333928AF50@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Cheap FX for Teaching Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:01:16 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:01:25 +0000 (UTC) I'd recommend the Zoom 2100 in a flash, except for the number of buttons, whose settings are all indicated by a two-digit LED with dots ingeniously used for bank setting indicators. Input overload! It's a joy to use though as you can switch between patches quickly. For teaching purposes not involving what might be 'standard fx units' I doubt the 2100 would pass, but just get the patches programmed, and voila. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Schillace" To: Sent: Friday, 31 March, 2006 17:36 PM Subject: Re: Cheap FX for Teaching > that might be a little too pricey. are any of the zoom boards recommended? > ns > > On 3/31/06, Per Boysen wrote: >> On 31 mar 2006, at 18.26, Nick Schillace wrote: >> >> > something with wide range of choices to expose >> > students to a lot of sounds. of course it would be GREAT to have a >> > modest looper included with some overdub capabilities. some type of >> > drum machine would be cool too. >> >> >> How about the Digitech GNX300? >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? >> id=128679560&s=143456 >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 18:16:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F8E93C09E; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <15DBF6F4-8AE9-434F-A7A6-74E7B03D7FF3@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: Cheap FX for Teaching Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:18:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:16:51 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 31, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Nick Schillace wrote: > HI- > > i was wondering if anyone might be able to suggest a nice multi FX to > use when teaching guitar/bass. i run an instruction studio here in > detroit that does about 200 lessons per week (mostly guitar). I've been teaching guitar for years and I don't use anything fancy myself, just plug into an amp, but one of the guys that I teach with has one of the new Zoom G2 units which has a bunch of different effects/drum machine/amp models but I don't think it has much of a looper if any. I hear some really good sounds coming out of his room. As usual you have to tweak a bit to tone down the over-the-top presets. He's got the cheaper model without the foot pedal attached which I think sells for around $100 US and I have thought about picking up one to teach with myself. There was a positive (Editor's pick) review of the G2.1u (the slight more expensive version that includes the foot pedal) in the same recent Guitar Player issue (April 2006) which included the article about looping. Hope this is helpful! Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 19:09:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55893C093; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 04:09:44 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT: new release Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi, New release information, A brand new IDM, triphop, electro, drum n' bass, ambient and breakcore label from Holland. http://www.notochord-recordings.com The first Notochord compilation sees 7 artists contributing 7 unique takes on music... 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Semiomime - Grasshopper 15. blue t-shirt - Thunderstorms also,please visit our online shop.. http://www.electr-ohm.com Thanks Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 19:18:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CB083C095; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rU8ixGYa4drPCmegJhB06Q7OYersukWWzlq3mbrfHEYoiZxDWfc0m/1ohvgfgyV+CmK83tsxRMO6R1MOGZ2hxQO8+OoC+uKHCYZ6fz2UcwcqtAEJNysiHOWDcE8pRGFeTdkAI+dE7dYZS4w15Q8x21mVJdWc4iByqzvl23PLirk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060331091955.01ae3eb8@TheNettles.com> References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060331091955.01ae3eb8@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2550E526-39EB-44DD-80CA-0116B685EF92@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:18:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:18:10 +0000 (UTC) On 31 mar 2006, at 19.23, Kevin wrote: > "Tinker" is to manipulate. > "Tinkle" is to micturate. :-) Thanks, Kevin. Fixed it. Every day I learn a little more Engrish ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 19:18:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B35A53C0A7; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-AntiVirus: Checked by McAfee Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:47:35 +0300 From: Denis 'Diz' Loskutnikov X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Denis 'Diz' Loskutnikov Organization: FWD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1662035078.20060331234735@spacenet.ru> To: mech Subject: Re[2]: stutter in a pedal In-reply-To: References: <1552570968.20060331023900@spacenet.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_YPCeD.A.mvG.HCYLEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Friday, March 31, 2006, 3:40:11 PM, you wrote: m> Heh! Glad to see you've finally come out of the shadows. Excellent m> first post! Thank you! I worried if my English is undertandable :-) m> Okay, where can I lay my hands on one of these babies! :) m> Seriously, though, it looks good. The only other tweek I'd been m> seeking in this kind of pedal was possibly a "polarity" for the m> momentary switch -- one setting passes signal normally and mutes when m> pressed, while the other mutes the output constantly and only passes m> the signal when pressed. There is this tweak, off the shelf and in much elegant way. Let me explain. Toggle and Hold (latching & momentary) buttons work together. Say, you want to activate FX loop for a long time - and you press Toggle button. If you want to deactivate it for a short time, press Hold button, and FX loop will be deactivated as long as you hold it. Now, press Toggle second time, FX loop will be deactivated. And press Hold switch will activate it back as long as you hold it. To put it simple, each successive press on Toggle will change state of pedal, and each press on Hold will change it to inverse state - until release. -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 19:30:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D48053C0A5; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tay7DglLWHBPw+jaQWXMSaPvGIswbCYAJQ/CQZyXqoP5lncpZKDOa4m2jn7QwzcyG/PXrPHj+wLIBU2IBnahA8BeCgzb79q1fSWvm0L5gJtWSqOa01W4c8FUnhxaaqKq5ZjrVRAR+TACjubisDho0EGK9c3wT8cqmBem5gKoy+U= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <20060331172420.72380.qmail@web37912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060331172420.72380.qmail@web37912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <891E06A1-CDD3-4849-9910-7E804A105EE0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:30:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi, To figure out each device's looping capability you have to look into and digest: - sample rate - number of tracks - number of loops (on each track if the device us multi track) - if it records stereo of mono - RAM - onboard storage capability phew... did I forget something? I can't imagine a way to estimate "loop time & max layers" for all devices in way that it would be easily comparable. Per On 31 mar 2006, at 19.24, daniel stevenson wrote: > yea max layers is a bit unpredictable....maybe a loop time > available like the rc 20xl has about 16 min of total loop & the dl4 > has 28 seconds at half speed with unlimited overdubs"at least till > things degrade"("faux feedback") yea i guess that could get a bit > dense come to think about it.& most folks know what each machine > offers anyway,but nice chart none the less... > keep up the good work ( ,':-}) > scary > Per Boysen wrote: > On 31 mar 2006, at 17.24, daniel stevenson wrote: > > > cool chart, > > dl4 is battery powered =4c-cell 25-35 hours.maybe a max > > loop time & max layers would be good for the chart too? > > Thanks! I updated the chart with this info. Max loop time and max > layers depends on a lot of different factors, so it would make the > chart too dense if i should go into that as well. All manufacturers > web sites are linked now so anyone can go to the right place for > detailed info on any specific device. > > > what do you mean by presets?dl4 has preset delays but not in loop > > funtion, > > Well, if the device itself doesn't have too many different functions > to be adjusted, there would be no need for presets anyway. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 19:38:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F9FC3C0B0; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4143.128.193.138.241.1143833882.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <2550E526-39EB-44DD-80CA-0116B685EF92@gmail.com> References: <3E3650FB-5976-49F9-A091-4DAA3A3E80DA@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060331091955.01ae3eb8@TheNettles.com> <2550E526-39EB-44DD-80CA-0116B685EF92@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:38:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Comparison chart of looping devices published From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:38:05 +0000 (UTC) > On 31 mar 2006, at 19.23, Kevin wrote: > Thanks, Kevin. Fixed it. Every day I learn a little more Engrish ;-) Hey, your English is a lot better than my Swedish! :-) Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 20:56:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A28013C0A2; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7A2F7301-BBED-417F-BC3F-5E64BE42F955@modaldub.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: music is political Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:56:50 -0300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:56:51 +0000 (UTC) having the view that looping is politically subversive as it is non- mainstream music, and at least for me associated with ideas such as improvisation, subversion, personal freedom and individual expression, i thought this series of articles might be of interest to some on the list. i understand that some people are put off by political and/or theoretical topics. would they limit this list to discussing multi- thousand dollar commercial products and their merits? to me music is political, so to be concerned with music is to be concerned with politics. besides, it's interesting ;) so, why not have a discussion with like-minded "musical subversives"? or just read the article. this list is for sharing things of "value" with others, and i found this series of articles quite valuable. excerpt: > Attali wrote that: "Listening to music is listening to all noise, > realising that its appropriation and control is a reflection of > power, that it is essentially political ... The theorists of > totalitarianism have all explained that it is necessary to ban > subversive noise because it betokens demands for cultural autonomy, > support for differences and marginality: a concern for maintaining > tonalism, the primacy of melody, a distrust of new languages, codes > or instruments, a refusal of the abnormal - these characteristics > are common to all regimes of that nature". from: "Industrial Prehistory: Anti-Music" this article: http://media.hyperreal.org/zines/est/articles/ prehist5.html full set of articles: http://media.hyperreal.org/zines/est/articles/ preindex.html -3nki From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 21:07:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EB863C0B1; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [87.74.111.247] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stutter in a pedal Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:07:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2006 21:07:08.0220 (UTC) FILETIME=[1206B7C0:01C65507] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:07:11 +0000 (UTC) mech said.. >In any case, it looks like a nice piece of work all the way around! i agree - very nice job! might even buy one...! :O) sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 21:14:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CBB53C0A9; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1r5GbaLtar0T5fMvq61G2sOXarsXE2+sse1oI7Bq0jbBsS22UH/4ELBleW05rsf18nU6qpCU9zF3daSZBWln8xVxUUe3XBK7y867lf5mZbqoRxajr3qo0bmqx4RN/1I3MalpNI+uh09o+SYLk1/WReCEc07vm8mXRIQI0f3Tv50= ; Message-ID: <20060331211449.58560.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:14:49 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Best Cheap Guitar Synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060321090107.84363.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:14:50 +0000 (UTC) I spent some time with my Line6 filter pro's Synth patches, and while I didn't have anything to compare it to, I thought, for the price, they were excellent. I don't know how their x911 emulation holds up to the original, but I sure was able to get some interesting noises from it. Glitchy for sure, but I hear the original was too. Perhaps I should borrow a friend's Filter Factory and do a side by side test. Funny, I got rid of my Electrix stuff (except the Repeater) because I was paying out a lot and I needed rack space. Now that I'm happily holed up in my studio those reasons are gone. But then again, I could just sink deeper and deeper into software as seems to be the fashion. Has anyone fooled with software filters/effects for a guitar synth like sound? Also, I called up a few patches in the good old VH-1 for "synth" sounds. Not sure if they're what you're looking for but some very interesting cool sounds for sure. Man I love that little red box. Mark --- S V G wrote: > > Kevin, > > I've owned the FM-4, and though I would never > have described it as "glitchy", it didn't sound > convincing to me. More like it was trying to > emulate 16 different "real filters" and doing a > barely passable job at all of them. I'm sure that > other users find it more than adequate, that > was just my impression. By itself it was okay, > kinda fun for a few hours... But then put it in a > signal chain with other stomp boxes and suddenly it > doesn't sound so good anymore. Same goes for > their other coloured boxes. The MM-4 was my > favorite out of that bunch, but it just didn't hold > up in a more complex signal path. I sold it and got > a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger instead. Now > there's a sexy beast... > > The Filter Factory on the other hand, sounds as > clear and as deep as a snow-fed mountain > stream. The only problem I have with it is that the > distortion segment is a bit lame. But that's > neither here nor there. You also may want to look > into the Filter Queen, almost the same exact > unit while taking up half the space. I've owned > both and have kept the Filter Factory. > > I also owned an Evolver for 6 months or so. > One of the worst possible user interfaces ever > to exist on a piece of gear. While the PolyEvolver > keyboard goes a long way towards rectifying > the Evolver's UI, it still doesn't show what it got > under it's skirt. This is something that I'd > want to see at a glance, like say, a Nord Lead or a > Korg Oasys with their LED illuminated rotary > knobs. Electrix gear shows everything, you can tell > what sound it's going to make even before > turning it on. The only exception to this is that > the Repeater is lacking a few small things like > track mute indicators. > > Stephen > > > > < from the user manual > and the comments on the list. Does anyone have > experience with the > Electrix Filter Factory? That may be the filter for > me.>> > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 21:21:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAFEA3C0AF; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YuDbWfESnFk6aDOGTMUbDeb0XqmlnnBZzWxn4diBzjkd5dKn1GOc8XlOqLg1+bIb3aN1+wER6RnyfyZkvnoPbEAvkHBEw3ZpGaQEjgajsDv1XCLUEz1dj+53rthYhxoAWtNuEF4cU4Y7mx0PqmbFVSn3kEsM6HGluxrWijtL5Ok= ; Message-ID: <20060331212114.39831.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:21:14 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Music is not political (Was Re: music is political) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7A2F7301-BBED-417F-BC3F-5E64BE42F955@modaldub.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:21:15 +0000 (UTC) I'd pretty much say that non lyrical music has no intrinsic political qualities. I dare you to gleen a message from any of my music. Don't bother, there isn't one. I'm not sure what you're getting at, but I am sure that this list is not the place for it. There are plenty of places on the net for it. Go there and type. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 21:35:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F5693C0A9; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2833.128.193.37.212.1143840918.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <7A2F7301-BBED-417F-BC3F-5E64BE42F955@modaldub.net> References: <7A2F7301-BBED-417F-BC3F-5E64BE42F955@modaldub.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:35:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Let's call the whole thing off (Was: music is political) From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Everything is political. Everything is also religious. But on the musical lists that I subscribe to, the folks in worship bands don't feel called upon to witness for their faith and for that I am truly grateful. Mentioning politics and religion are the surest ways to start flame wars. And flame wars are boring. Let's stick to the technical and cultural stuff okay? My two cents. Now I'll keep my mouth shut. Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 21:35:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E52B83C0B7; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OEydvu9qVglie8NfQk+c20SYfYB+P2SrNmmMmDWzZh5Dj7aBKhJ8ipMFwaiTO0ucHLNYVAptbxe/7FS8MtJR8D2pdpcjuI36WRchHotrjBg4yfYjqE8DkBlaFbgv0ZatqwlotaJu5N3KLIF6U0vtOLYwMUmABG5JwNKMjLttNzU= ; Message-ID: <20060331213550.48541.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:35:50 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: semi OT first Thomas Dolby tour in ages To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060321023003.24968.qmail@web80728.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <65B0DD.A.bTD.3CaLEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Hey, I'm going to be there. If other loopers are going maybe we could meet up at the Cafe across the street and have a coffee or something? --- Glenn Javaheri wrote: > Thomas Dolby's first venture back into > music/performing in ages including at a club called > "the Independent" in San Francisco with opening band > "Loop!Station", plus other dates around the country: > > http://version.thomasdolby.com/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 21:36:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 721353C0B8; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004801c6550b$3c024220$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Cheap FX for Teaching Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:32:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:36:59 +0000 (UTC) I have a DOD Tec 4 that is 1/2 decent. The distortions are crappy, but the rest of the fx are ok. I use it for my synths these days. You can get them on ebay for like $20 used. No looping or drum machine though. Most of the fx have limited settings but it's certainly usable. Also, the Digitech RP50 is pretty reasonable. I've seen them on ebay for about $60 (buy it now). Again, no looping, but lots of fx and a drum machine with 30 patterns. I'd go with the Digitech myself. $60 isn't bad for an fx unit. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Schillace" To: Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Cheap FX for Teaching HI- i was wondering if anyone might be able to suggest a nice multi FX to use when teaching guitar/bass. i run an instruction studio here in detroit that does about 200 lessons per week (mostly guitar). i have 3 rooms for guitar so i would need something cheap to get one for each room. it doesn't have to have spectacular quality FX but it would be great to have something with wide range of choices to expose students to a lot of sounds. of course it would be GREAT to have a modest looper included with some overdub capabilities. some type of drum machine would be cool too. any help? nick schillace www.nickschillace.com www.myspace.com/nickschillace From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 22:46:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BC5B3C0B8; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pJwr6LJII9ooKccKbEADacd3l31zRGz0U0zR6/HvIqiiSdkmTJnGa4L7TeBywxoHcC+AriqtuEj3mDAnJh29mkNxVbepO7lRTB9Teor6oNaT14uX+hdkOBwKiWectr9qqQKE7062OZQKiV7o/9rlhsXxT8GlDpZ54bCFvQuSrIY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <7A2F7301-BBED-417F-BC3F-5E64BE42F955@modaldub.net> References: <7A2F7301-BBED-417F-BC3F-5E64BE42F955@modaldub.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0B6E325A-C4F8-4705-BAD4-69D38B6E8C5B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: music is political Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:46:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:46:41 +0000 (UTC) On 31 mar 2006, at 22.56, 3nki wrote: > having the view that looping is politically subversive I have always thought that good music is politically subversive. And I think the opposite opinion is highly political too, although hardly subversive ;-) I'm saving the linked articles for reading tomorrow. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 31 23:06:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 074FE3C0B9; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:06:40 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: music is political MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <065AF06E.5FEA9CC0.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 84.64.58.122 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:06:46 +0000 (UTC) While I'm fairly sympathetic to what 3nki says, one of the few things this here intairweb has in common with the ordinary pub is that the surest way to start things kicking off is to bring up politics or religion. As Nostradamus said, "it'll end in tears ..." 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> wrote: [ about politics & music ] __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp