From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 02:06:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68CC63BEDB; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <27a.e56d62.30bfb1f7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:55:03 EST Subject: See if this works to linkng you to the site To: Conniescans@prodigy.net, ylbrowns@sbcglobal.net, L8KERS08@aol.com, RiverbratKell@aol.com, rymanpotter@adelphia.net, Kathy.Flores@albertsons.com, Frye1307@MSN.com, gottaski@sbcglobal.net, george@m-audio.com, GonzalesMignon@aol.com, ngci@adelphia.net, imcdole@interwrx.com, spj903@juno.com, jkranitz@aural-innovations.com, SaftyBear1@aol.com, redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com, MJKJFISHER@yahoo.com, kmoyes@optusnet.com.au, msolomon@zebra.com, rantinraven@sbcglobal.net, ngutmacher@m-audio.com, osullivanclan@sbcglobal.net, info@getcom.biz, phantomairship@yahoo.com, Randy.Kehoe@albertsons.com, Deanna@antelecom.net, richard_derrick@msn.com, KRileyms@hotmail.com, Robert@getcom.biz, GRXLR8@aol.com, WonderxLand@aol.com, rubberxducky@sbcglobal.net, Rymanpotter@sbcglobal.net, gsmulti@spiritone.com, Mdsegal@earthlink.net, Sstraub425@aim.com, Scan4Kim@aol.com, Scanmt@aol.com, DWa2898572@aol.com Cc: backbiter@sbcglobal.net, spagyric@earthlink.net, brenchica4@valp.net, profcantaloupe@yahoo.com, Christine@hennesseyproject.com, Chuck.Louie@albertsons.com, rdube@adelphia.net, deb@deborahexit.com, sdjeepguy@mac.com, mgarrett@standardabrasives.com, hammer@pocketmail.com, heustis@comcast.net, info@k-9behavior.com, jeremy@k-9behavior.com, kathleen.s.ryman@kp.org, fkrejci@pacbell.net, KRosser414@aol.com, stmjames@ms19.hinet.net, loachfillet@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, SRYAH@aol.com, catspoet@hotmail.com, Cdnote@aol.com, MRit2233@aol.com, MarcMylar@aol.com, Patersonrl@paradise.net.nz, GRADAI@socal.RR.com, richie@richiehass.com, richiehass@dslextreme.com, Karen.Riley@SDCourt.CA.Gov, sachis2112@yahoo.com, santibanez.brown@verizon.net, Steve.Brown@albertsons.com, Susan.Joy@albertsons.com, trigone@trigonrecords.com, VMARTINE@healthcarepartners.com, walkers_murrieta@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:10:14 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: See if this works to linkng you to the site In-Reply-To: <27a.e56d62.30bfb1f7@aol.com> Message-ID: References: <27a.e56d62.30bfb1f7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:09:18 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Ryman1960@aol.com wrote: [snip] *plonk* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 02:25:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB2993BEDF; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <438E5F64.4000503@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:26:44 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #453 for November 24, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:25:03 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/051124.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #453 November 24, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Lambert. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Pearls" on Spheric Music. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Tonto's Expanding Head Band" by Robert Margouleff and Malcolm Cecil on Atlantic Records and released in 1975. Lambert - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Robert Margouleff and Jetsex Tonto's Expanding Head Band Malcolm Cecil (Atlantic) Erez Yaary Project Aero Ambience (none) VA [Bluetech] Elementary Particles Sequences #30 (EMMA) VA [Gert Emmens] Requiem Pour Mama E-dition #9 (Groove) Andreas Akwara Part IV Synthetic Horizon (Groove) Klaus Schulze C'est Pas La Meme Chose Picture Music (Revisited) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Lambert Far Away Pearls (Spheric) Lambert Rainbow Pearls (Spheric) Lambert Pearls Pearls (Spheric) Lambert Mysterious Fog Pearls (Spheric) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll start a month-long focus on Gert Emmens. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Elektra" on Groove Unlimited. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Rainbow Delta" by Patrick Gleeson on Passport Records and released in 1980. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 02:41:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 261323BEEC; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <280.e78659.30bfbcb6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:40:54 EST Subject: Re: IT MUST'VE BEEN A SLOW DAY LOOPERS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_280.e78659.30bfbcb6_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:41:02 +0000 (UTC) --part1_280.e78659.30bfbcb6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/29/05 9:34:04 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > Then > I got to listen to the engineer sort through all of the different > "takes" trying to find the best bits to patch together > tedzo.....sounds as if this here engineer don't like all ho's.....what's with that?.....:)m --part1_280.e78659.30bfbcb6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/29/05 9:34:04 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


Then
I got to listen to the engineer sort through all of the different
"takes" trying to find the best bits to patch together


tedzo.....sounds as if this here engineer don't like all ho's.....what's wit= h that?.....:)m --part1_280.e78659.30bfbcb6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 03:02:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC0903BEE7; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 03:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <438E6847.3050100@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:04:39 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for November, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 03:02:58 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/top20nov.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for November, 2005. Shows #450 to #453; 3-November-2005 to 24-November-2005 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Andreas Akwara - Synthetic Horizon - Groove Bruno San Filippo - Anthology: Essence 91 04 - Neuronium Craig Padilla and Zero Ohms - Path of Least Resistance - Lotuspike Darshan Ambient - ReKarma - Lotuspike Erez Yaary Project - Ambience - none Gert Emmens and Ruud Heij - Blind Watchers of a Vanishing Night - EH Inner-Voice - First Light - Quantum John Lakveet - Proportions - Groove Kelvin L. Smith - The Dreaming Mind - emma Lambert - Essential - Spheric Lambert - Inside Out - Spheric Lambert - Mirror of Motions - Spheric Lambert - Pearls - Spheric Robert Rich & Ian Boddy - Lithosphere - DiN Tetsu Inoue - Yolo - DiN Various Artists - E-dition #9 - Groove Various Artists - Sequences #30 - EMMA Various Artists - Shadowmath - Fateless Windy and Carl - The Dream House - Kranky Zerone - Ultra Zone - White Robot Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 06:50:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB7723BEE4; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:50:58 -0500 From: egdono Subject: E-H 16sec Reissue Update To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6dNqPpji9DC0kTq30PY7+A)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:50:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_6dNqPpji9DC0kTq30PY7+A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi all For anyone that uses the E-H 16sec Reissue, there is an upgrade available now that allows you to disable the count-in and set the loop endpoints on the fly. Unfortunately it's not available as a user mod, so you need to get the unit back to E-H for a chip replacement. The cost is $35, plus whatever it costs to ship it, which I think is about $10 in the US [just a guess, sorry - I'm just a user, and I'm in NYC, so I'll probably just drop mine off]. I'm not sure how you actually enable/disable it, but for my purposes it would be fine just to set it so it always works that way... This is what Rik from E-H [rik@sovtek.com] sent me: "Basically by setting up the unit in a series of predetermined settings the chip will recognize this and disable the 4 beat count in. So this would be mainly for foot use. The loop will stay as long as y ou have the unit in record mode. Once you stop then that is the end of the loop. Best used for live applications so you can create loops on the fly. The amount is $35 for the update payable via Money Order or Credit Card. Please send the unit to: New Sensor Corp. 32-33 47th Avenue Long island City, NY 11101" Hope this is helpful. - egdon --Boundary_(ID_6dNqPpji9DC0kTq30PY7+A) Content-type: application/ms-tnef; name=winmail.dat Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-disposition: attachment; filename=winmail.dat eJ8+IjoGAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEGgAMADgAAANUHDAABAAEAMgAAAAQAIAEB A5AGACAIAAAiAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAB4AcAAB AAAAGQAAAEUtSCAxNnNlYyBSZWlzc3VlIFVwZGF0ZQAAAAACAXEAAQAAABYAAAABxfZDkzFnoa4v X49ByJKCRxGIWJ5XAAACAR0MAQAAABkAAABTTVRQOkVHRE9OQE9QVE9OTElORS5ORVQAAAAACwAB DgAAAABAAAYOABzZckP2xQECAQoOAQAAABgAAAAAAAAAiQFzDEydbE+StGV/MRiAyMKAAAALAB8O AQAAAAIBCRABAAAAGwQAABcEAACvBQAATFpGdZpT2LgDAAoAcmNwZzEyNRYyAPgLYG4OEDAzM08B 9wKkA+MCAGNoCsBzIGV0MCBABxMgVV8DAAWgAQAF0QKAfQqBdkkIkHdrC4BkNAxgY4cAUAsDC7Ug SGkgB0BvCVAKsQqECoBGBbEAcHnbAiASQHQQ8AVAdREgBCADFmASQEUtSCAxNrURIGMH8GUEAQpQ LBbyPQlwIAQAFeEWoA4AcmF5EjFhdgtwC2ACYBJAbn5vB+AWYxTBGmAEIBYQdfEWUG8gZAQAGgMX AgWgmnUCMC0LgBXhZCARISMW8wkAb3AgCfBkcHpvC4B0BCACIBbzDvB5fC4gEdECEAAgHKAWgGXz H0AYwHQnBCAaUBrBGce+YRjhFqIFwARhGFBzG6DvG1IWMAmAG4JnHWUcoCBw9CBiANBrG4IXQh+x IcGbEOAFICAJcAtRY2UHgGsCMB9hVBxTcwVAGNEknDM1GFALUBawIHcWcXxldiIRJCEm4hbhG6Bz HyWCIHAYUCgADeBoIElfFlELgCSAGNIG4HUFQCSXD0AYwB7UVQXwW2oWsJ8awSNwClAEECJycnIg UOItKjAnbSAsRSHyGFDHHRItohzhTllDInMtoH8U0CegA2AkUAJgIFAsQ2RbA2AeAG0LgBJAbwEg Xd8fYS2iIMIYIBihaBphG1K/ANAf4BTBIFAJ8BoCLxvGrSmiYishJRJtIFBwCHBXHlAWwiQhdwhg bB0wYv8fETFyLEMpIh1hJCEikSQhsQdAd2F5J+EFsGsW4vsWgTjxLjogFPomoBjRGNG7KAIH8Gkk gANSFzNbBRCUa0AikHYgIGsuBaCcbV0dQQIwIjBlOhT6IQr0bGkzOBFQIkK3IaAN4DOzYiBQESF0 C4D+ZxkhI7cU9BziHUEIgR6h/mYwIQmAETAEkDFiHTNA0r8W5CVzA/AwAQlwBaBnAwC+ehZCGNML MRUSG8o0NvHvFoEcgyuBH2BTG6BGEzan/wDAC4AgQSUSAhAg0RaxH2D/JqId0hT0RSMnADkAIZIJ AP9A8SGhIFAbYRDwKFAjuBzhz0VyCyAiMkrxT24mEBtD/ycAHfEXAQuQFQMWYxjRFwLvHiFC4h2W H2BCB5AWkx0w5yUSP2BNwWFwC1BAAUDQ/wIgBCAilUAQUJUFAEfhHbT/Hqs6thmRBGBIQydDJQMj w+xwZFYCCrB5GgMS4CHQdk0WISBQTwsgIhEFsUPbCXEkIUMLETpFUBogIaD/EkA9wSMxI9YbkD47 B8IGYB8AgFtCBbBSoBT0MzItSw9gR6A3FmAgQShQbnsKUBT0TEziBAAPAR0wQz0gcHkYUC9gF3Bi 8DAx9iI+qhUDSB3wRfUY0RcQOGxwZjbAOkstgGVnLmQCIBT6EqEAZ+AACwABgAggBgAAAAAAwAAA AAAAAEYAAAAAA4UAAAAAAAADAAOACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAQhQAAAAAAAAMAB4AIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFKFAABzeQEAHgAJgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAVIUAAAEAAAAE AAAAOS4wAAsADYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAIKFAAABAAAACwA6gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAADoUAAAAAAAADADyACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAARhQAAAAAAAAMAPYAIIAYAAAAA AMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABiFAAAAAAAAAwBfgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAAYUAAAAAAAALAMWA CCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAGhQAAAAAAAAIB+A8BAAAAEAAAAIkBcwxMnWxPkrRlfzEYgMgC AfoPAQAAABAAAACJAXMMTJ1sT5K0ZX8xGIDIAgH7DwEAAACmAAAAAAAAADihuxAF5RAaobsIACsq VsIAAFBTVFBSWC5ETEwAAAAAAAAAAE5JVEH5v7gBAKoAN9luAAAAQzpcRG9jdW1lbnRzIGFuZCBT ZXR0aW5nc1xiaWd2LlZJQ0VST1lBTFRZLjAwMFxMb2NhbCBTZXR0aW5nc1xBcHBsaWNhdGlvbiBE YXRhXE1pY3Jvc29mdFxPdXRsb29rXG91dGxvb2sucHN0AAAAAwD+DwUAAAADAA00/TcAAAIBfwAB AAAAMwAAADxHTUVQSkNMRU9NSE9FQ0JFTU1GRkFFTEFDTEFBLmVnZG9uQG9wdG9ubGluZS5uZXQ+ AAADAAYQ4oI5owMABxCgAwAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAEhJQUxMRk9SQU5Z T05FVEhBVFVTRVNUSEVFLUgxNlNFQ1JFSVNTVUUsVEhFUkVJU0FOVVBHUkFERUFWQUlMQUJMRU5P V1RIQVRBTExPV1NZT1VUT0RJU0FCTEVUSEVDT1VOVC0AAAAAagI= --Boundary_(ID_6dNqPpji9DC0kTq30PY7+A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 11:03:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B24EB3BEF4; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=F87P3JHNo7mhK/R6ZayhpkMgAnmnS8YPFXlzjLZ80tzVUx+sSaoxBJQFqpEXekEaDg9n5uyJjxhrYocdZSxyG2tKvsUEtgY4wY2FTJb0Hg9SCtLvn4zsUtMVxG7kjPfvujklB7W/qByv1pQ6jaBjUxdv13TUvvABvIiYKMjVhqM= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512010303y4853fb40va4f821cc7f714c02@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:03:32 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-H 16sec Reissue Update In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:03:34 +0000 (UTC) On 12/1/05, egdono wrote: > Hi all > > For anyone that uses the E-H 16sec Reissue, there is an upgrade available > now that allows you to disable the count-in and set the loop endpoints on > the fly. Unfortunately it's not available as a user mod, so you need to = get > the unit back to E-H for a chip replacement. Thanks very much for that. I've mailed them to find out what the procedure is for those of us outside the US. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 11:20:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 679163BEFA; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <438EDCFA.7050309@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:22:34 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:20:57 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Gert Emmens of the Netherlands. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Elektra" on Groove Unlimited. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Rainbow Delta" by Patrick Gleeson on Passport Records and released in 1980. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#dec Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 14:20:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A845A3BEF1; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80512010303y4853fb40va4f821cc7f714c02@mail.gmail.com> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-H 16sec Reissue Update Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:20:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 14:20:24.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EC07620:01C5F682] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the info. I sold mine because of the *%$# count-in but will want to give another pass. Cheers Lou >From: David Morton >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: E-H 16sec Reissue Update >Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:03:32 +0000 > >On 12/1/05, egdono wrote: > > Hi all > > > > For anyone that uses the E-H 16sec Reissue, there is an upgrade >available > > now that allows you to disable the count-in and set the loop endpoints >on > > the fly. Unfortunately it's not available as a user mod, so you need to >get > > the unit back to E-H for a chip replacement. > >Thanks very much for that. I've mailed them to find out what the >procedure is for those of us outside the US. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 18:37:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 137973BEEA; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <438F42CC.3020206@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:37:00 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: 2005 Looper's Survey - update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Some very quick stats, and another call to action! If you haven't completed the survey, please come by! It only takes a minute and it doesn't hurt (much). http://loopsurvey.uncledig.com/ Some quick and dirty stats. I will publish a MUCH more comprehensive analysis once we close the survey. I may even publish a pivot table in Excel format so you data mongers can slice it and dice it anyway you want: Of the 123 responses so far, 76 of them are LD members (62%) Of the LD respondents: 93% male, 1% female, 6% no response Average 8.2 years of looping experience (0.5 years lowest, 25 years highest) Just some top looping tools (% of LD respondents using the tool): EDP: 53% Ableton Live: 34% DL-4: 30% Repeater: 25% Lexicon Vortex: 25% RC-20: 20% Mobius: 18% Kaoss Pad: 13% Audiomulch: 13% Digitech RDS/PDS series: 12% Boomerang: 11% Ellotronix: 11% Lexicon Jamman: 11% (the Digitech version is at about 4%) Lexicon PSP42 (plugin): 11% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 19:45:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A71C3BEE0; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008b01c5f6af$d1ba3bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , "Dina Emerson" , "matt davignon" Subject: Matt Davignon: Live Looping Tour Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:45:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:45:51 +0000 (UTC) One of my favorite artists in our entire community, Matt Davignon will be doing an exciting west coast tour, performing solo on the same bill as Chaos Butterfly, a wonderfully creative group that features Dina Emerson, the amazing singer who also performs with Meredith Monk and Cirque De Soleil. I had the privilege of being on the same bill with Dina a couple of times and I was really impressed with the beauty of her artistry. This will be a very special concert so I urge you to make it if it comes to your vicinity. Info and schedule is below: thanks, Rick Walker ****************** Chaos Butterfly and Matt Davignon are bringing their unique forms of immersive improvised electroacoustic music up and down the West Coast. If you like this stuff, please come to one of the shows, enjoy the music and say hello! Chaos Butterfly The electroacoustic duo Chaos Butterfly is Jonathan Segel (violin, guitar, electronics) and Dina Emerson (voice, wineglasses, electronics, etc.). Chaos Butterfly has worked with Camper Van Beethoven (Segel) and the Meredith Monk Ensemble (Emerson), in addition to working with operas, orchestras, and the Cirque du Soleil. Their music encompasses song, soundtrack, storytelling, and mayhem, all created and performed in real time. The instrumentation is a seamless combination of electronic and acoustic sources, including violin, voice, laptop computers, guitar, wine glasses, and various toy samplers. www.magneticmotorworks.com/chaos/ Matt Davignon is an experimental musician living in Oakland, California. Since 1993, he has developed his own unique style of music, which focuses largely on textures, arrhythmic patterns and musical imperfections. Since 2004, he has been working almost exclusively with a drum machine, run through a series of effects and samplers. Drawing from what he's learned in his previous work in sound collage, field recordings, found objects and prepared instruments, he creates an organic array of drones, gurgles and frantic passages. www.ribosomemusic.com Tour info & samples at http://www.ribosomemusic.com/Tour2005.html Friday, December 2 Dunes 1905 NE Martin Luther King Portland, OR 8:00 pm $3-4 sliding scale Chaos Butterfly Matt Davignon Evolutionary Jass Band LUC Saturday, December 3 On the radio 88.7 FM KBVR Corvallis 3:00 PM Chaos Butterfly Matt Davignon Monday, December 5 afternoon On the radio 88.1 FM KWVA Eugene 3/4 PM Monday, December 5 evening Sam Bonds Garage 407 blair blvd Eugene, OR 8:00 pm $6-10 sliding scale (541) 343-2635 Wednesday, December 7 Gallery 412 1412 18th Ave. Seattle, WA 8:00 pm $5-15 sliding (206) 322-1533 8:30: Noah Mickens with Harauko Nishimura (voice/found objects/dance) 9:30ish: Matt Davignon 10:15 ish: Chaos Butterfly Thursday, December 15 Trummerflora presents Other Ideas at Voz Alta 1544 Broaddway @16th (East Village) San Deigo, CA 8:00 pm - $5 at the door www.vozalta.org Matt Davignon Chaos Butterfly Friday, December 16 OPEN Books Music Magazine Art 144 Linden Ave Long Beach, CA 8pm - donation requested Chaos Butterfly Matt Davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 20:52:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 437833BEF1; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=l55EsBtsL8mh7evz+e4Qy50P24bDknLGSs5oIRzEmVN/5zGt8wS1uHAmpPwrkX3IOAGYtP2JVX0byaJ+ob8nXEbdQSX1rbJlhPY0kK+KPPSfkwFK7RDH5VG2jaD2MrNr3io4IwFOTSPnTbkWexsl6hjJeph6DzV/tnoDAtThKas= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512011252s79929f17pf7073cf82b8cd6cc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:52:54 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-H 16sec Reissue Update In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80512010303y4853fb40va4f821cc7f714c02@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:52:57 +0000 (UTC) On 12/1/05, Louis Rossi wrote: > Thanks for the info. I sold mine because of the *%$# count-in but will wa= nt > to give another pass. Looks like you might have made the right decision. They want me to send mine all the way back to the US (I'm in the UK) for the upgrade, which is just nuts. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 21:56:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 857ED3BEE7; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: a k butler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:56:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:56:30 +0000 (UTC) >> I've never noticed any sync flaws with my own EDP, but a friend with >> Loop4 reported to me that his EDP looses MIDI clock sync each time he >> goes Next Loop. He is running an AKAI MPC1000 as the MIDI clock >> master and the EDP is set to Timing/Sync= IN. He says it was working >> perfectly in Loop3. Any comments? > On Nov 12, 2005, at 11:55, a k butler wrote: > need more info > "looses clock sync" means > 1) " loop is wrong length and drifts" > 2) " loop starts at wrong place" > > Quantise = ? > SwitchQuant = ? > > Probably he hasn't quite got his loop4 settings to match > those he had in loop3. > > Loop4 sync=In has always been very reliable. > > andy Hi Andy, Thank you for your input on this. To answer your questions, the loops start at the wrong places. We tried all quantize settings. SwitchQuant usually set to Cycle. Sync is failing when MoreLoops=4 or more. At MoreLoops=3 or less it's working fine, just as his Loop 3 does. Here's the sequence of actions we tested: - Start the Akai MPC (MIDI Clock master) - Wait until EDP hooks up to sync. - Press Record to start recording the first loop. - Press NextLoop to record the second loop (LoopCopy= off) - Press NextLoop to record the third loop - Press NextLoop to record the fourth loop - Press NextLoop to listen back to the first loop Now, the problem is that the loops (not the first loop) tend to play back too late. Loop length is correct but I get the feeling that the EDP has been starting to record "too late" and also stopped recording "too late". This guy is my personal live looping student and I'm hired by the school to help him out with a concert project that includes a lot of looping. He is quite used to Looping with Loop 3 in his EDP and a very good multi instrument musician (he can hit the Next button accurately ;-). He just recently bought Loop 4 and unfortunately this problem makes it impossible for him to use Loop 4. This week we took out the new Loop 4 chip and put back his old Loop 3. After that the EDP does follow sync and switching actions as expected - with the same settings as used with Loop 4. Is this something others have experienced in Loop4? (I have not, mine is working ok on the same series of actions, under the same settings) Advice? Is there some way to test that his Loop 4 chip is not defect? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 22:12:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 985A13BEFA; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z9xkW5bZ0NWrLfYu4WmBkvaUpUTMXxVBWPcJSxK871owblK39vXCBMUynY3X2P922UuLBck4FRtgVKcD8XyGx3Sca8pamjGY9TeOF25bj9Gb8W6UJmcxa3f+NsUMF8BwjL8D9HRn6zKv0wAWmhaQNBn04kmqjM5URdLXCHawT4w= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:12:30 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:12:31 +0000 (UTC) That's bizarre--have you tried hooking both EDP's up to the same MIDI source at the same time? I'll try duping this problem tonight when I get home. BTW, what era EDP does he have? TravisH On 12/1/05, Per Boysen wrote: > >> I've never noticed any sync flaws with my own EDP, but a friend with > >> Loop4 reported to me that his EDP looses MIDI clock sync each time he > >> goes Next Loop. He is running an AKAI MPC1000 as the MIDI clock > >> master and the EDP is set to Timing/Sync=3D IN. He says it was working > >> perfectly in Loop3. Any comments? > > > On Nov 12, 2005, at 11:55, a k butler wrote: > > need more info > > "looses clock sync" means > > 1) " loop is wrong length and drifts" > > 2) " loop starts at wrong place" > > > > Quantise =3D ? > > SwitchQuant =3D ? > > > > Probably he hasn't quite got his loop4 settings to match > > those he had in loop3. > > > > Loop4 sync=3DIn has always been very reliable. > > > > andy > > > Hi Andy, > > Thank you for your input on this. To answer your questions, the loops > start at the wrong places. We tried all quantize settings. > SwitchQuant usually set to Cycle. Sync is failing when MoreLoops=3D4 or > more. At MoreLoops=3D3 or less it's working fine, just as his Loop 3 > does. Here's the sequence of actions we tested: > > - Start the Akai MPC (MIDI Clock master) > - Wait until EDP hooks up to sync. > - Press Record to start recording the first loop. > - Press NextLoop to record the second loop (LoopCopy=3D off) > - Press NextLoop to record the third loop > - Press NextLoop to record the fourth loop > - Press NextLoop to listen back to the first loop > > Now, the problem is that the loops (not the first loop) tend to play > back too late. Loop length is correct but I get the feeling that the > EDP has been starting to record "too late" and also stopped recording > "too late". > > This guy is my personal live looping student and I'm hired by the > school to help him out with a concert project that includes a lot of > looping. He is quite used to Looping with Loop 3 in his EDP and a > very good multi instrument musician (he can hit the Next button > accurately ;-). He just recently bought Loop 4 and unfortunately this > problem makes it impossible for him to use Loop 4. This week we took > out the new Loop 4 chip and put back his old Loop 3. After that the > EDP does follow sync and switching actions as expected - with the > same settings as used with Loop 4. > > Is this something others have experienced in Loop4? (I have not, mine > is working ok on the same series of actions, under the same settings) > Advice? Is there some way to test that his Loop 4 chip is not defect? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 22:38:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2D793BF08; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Small laptop-based looping setup: case (slightly OT) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:38:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80511271543q4a394423qc232e8aaa687b51@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1fvUqC.A.vUB.4t3jDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Only consideration is the dimensions of the larger of the two, might not fit on an airplane, Honestly though I'd carry the laptop on the plane if I were you. The face of those laptop/mixer rack combos is not that rigged and could be crushed in enough, to damage the lap top. I did get one of those with a six space rack, got it filled up, and it got really heavy. Had a hernia a week later, and sold the thing. , and bought a Gator rolling rack and stuck my mixer back in its old case. Bill -----Original Message----- From: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Small laptop-based looping setup: case (slightly OT) On 11/27/05, William Walker wrote: > I second what rick said about gator cases, i believe they are more rugged > than Skb cases,yet still lite weight. and add that they all feature a lid > latch that keeps the lid from falling off even if it becomes unlatched, > they are also locking, which won't help on the airlines but is cool for land > transport. Also I have had luck putting a gator three or four space rack bag > (the kind that is canvas covered with a hard frame) in a regular sized > suitcase, which makes it less obvious looking as well as more protected. I'd not come across Gator before, and was looking at the website. These two products http://www.gatorcases.com/productsmodeldetail.aspx?LID=1&PID=26&MID=324 (which holds a laptop & 2u) http://www.gatorcases.com/productsmodeldetail.aspx?LID=1&PID=26&MID=325 (which holds a laptop & 4u and has wheels and a handle) would seem to have great potential. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 23:10:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 281C63BEFC; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.77.48.106] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <438F42CC.3020206@pdq.net> Subject: laptop rig Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:10:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:10:52 +0000 (UTC) I''ll second Bill's advice. I, stupidly, packed my laptop in with my lggage instead of carrying it on board when I visited Japan - BIG mistake - I arrived with a rather beautiful but indecipherable screen - I had to borrow monitors every gig i went to - what an absolute nightmare - I was grateful for the kindness of Sunao and friends. ALWAYS take your laptop on board with you. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 23:12:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38D8D3BF07; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:12:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:12:37 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 1, 2005, at 23:12, Travis Hartnett wrote: > That's bizarre--have you tried hooking both EDP's up to the same MIDI > source at the same time? No. But he used his EDP with Loop4 and Loop3 with the same midi source and the same EDP settings. Loop4 failed while Loop3 synced fine. I guess this proves the MPC MIDI clock output is ok? > I'll try duping this problem tonight when I > get home. BTW, what era EDP does he have? Same as I have; the white-face Digital Pro. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 1 23:45:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0259A3BEEC; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UH+hBHHyqfMuxS4ood7xTSJdsEZqieEeQR/8hUCMZPxIZfkqg7zN+tgIfbU9j/Xq6rVqlOZu74eVd3JQi6yKZBXf4O7O27POtIk0kRstyL9bGtoxjxPjOUDDHQGiJ5lK5MIXFfu7e7ySk95Tx4JKs0FPNIuo7nVtshhuz3CF5kg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:45:12 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Gibson or Oberheim white face? TH On 12/1/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On Dec 1, 2005, at 23:12, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > That's bizarre--have you tried hooking both EDP's up to the same MIDI > > source at the same time? > > No. But he used his EDP with Loop4 and Loop3 with the same midi > source and the same EDP settings. Loop4 failed while Loop3 synced > fine. I guess this proves the MPC MIDI clock output is ok? > > > I'll try duping this problem tonight when I > > get home. BTW, what era EDP does he have? > > > Same as I have; the white-face Digital Pro. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 00:03:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C0263BF07; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,203,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="1845058781:sNHT37325108" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <280D07F3-C21D-46F1-92EA-046153BCF314@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Coffin Subject: Pedal to turn hardware knobs... Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:02:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Surely somebody=92s done this before... anybody got a clue, a link, an =20= idea...? (Goal: access the feedback knob on the Boss DD20 with my foot:)= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 00:11:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF3E73BF0A; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <280D07F3-C21D-46F1-92EA-046153BCF314@earthlink.net> References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <280D07F3-C21D-46F1-92EA-046153BCF314@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6B2C1CAF-6A5E-4744-9A62-1806C9EECA77@sonic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Mark Landman Subject: Re: Pedal to turn hardware knobs... Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:11:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:11:37 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 1, 2005, at 4:02 PM, David Coffin wrote: > Surely somebody=92s done this before... anybody got a clue, a link, =20= > an idea...? (Goal: access the feedback knob on the Boss DD20 with =20 > my foot:) > Try this; http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php Electro Harmonix did something like this 20 years ago, not sure how =20 well either truly works... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 00:13:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3B2E3BF16; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #12205354 Message-ID: <438F91D9.7050306@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:14:17 +0100 From: "Janosch K." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal to turn hardware knobs... References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <280D07F3-C21D-46F1-92EA-046153BCF314@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <280D07F3-C21D-46F1-92EA-046153BCF314@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi Dave, great idea, I also thought of something like this today, since I plan to get a DD20. Anyway, there is a device, it's called the "3rd Hand" and made by T.I.P., I saw it in an ad in the German maginze "Guitar / Bass". Here's a link: http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php . http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Tone_in_Progress/Third_Hand-01.html you also may check this link. A bit expensive, but it seems to be very solid. Best regards, Janosch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 00:31:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FE053BF18; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <438F91D9.7050306@gmx.net> References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <280D07F3-C21D-46F1-92EA-046153BCF314@earthlink.net> <438F91D9.7050306@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Pedal to turn hardware knobs... Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:31:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <0_i4D.A.0VE.oX5jDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Too funny; no sooner do I have the idea than the product =20 appears...well, not that I haven=92t wanted this for many years; but =20 you get the idea:) Thanks, Mark, Janosch. I dropped a line to the =20 maker, will report in as the story develops. dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 00:35:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 168923BF1D; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LueXhb6bz7qGB4PBB2lyEmzOCZTrbZ7tWbwyNcKyg9m7BlRomysvKhOLGG8k1XWgfM0XHP7AxvwaqvxgKnw47ihvHxI0eL0LTrcc7IZe1w/U+8wkBHntIGqkAoi6h1Y6C95/TVnXd/OYDa6Joeq8zK4tpjsfJC38y2mS8bU6fN8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:35:17 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal to turn hardware knobs... In-Reply-To: <280D07F3-C21D-46F1-92EA-046153BCF314@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <280D07F3-C21D-46F1-92EA-046153BCF314@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:35:18 +0000 (UTC) There've been a couple. I believe EH was the first, and I think it was called the "Gas Pedal". And I think Dunlop did one a few years back. On 12/1/05, David Coffin wrote: > Surely somebody's done this before... anybody got a clue, a link, an > idea...? (Goal: access the feedback knob on the Boss DD20 with my foot:) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 01:14:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDE033BF02; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,203,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="509175666:sNHT17041180" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <280D07F3-C21D-46F1-92EA-046153BCF314@earthlink.net> References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <280D07F3-C21D-46F1-92EA-046153BCF314@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <17F5B8EC-06EB-49A3-A5C7-9294EA21F8DE@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Pedal to turn hardware knobs... Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:14:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Why not have it rehoused? (I have no idea what that might cost...) ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Dec 1, 2005, at 6:02 PM, David Coffin wrote: > Surely somebody=92s done this before... anybody got a clue, a link, =20= > an idea...? (Goal: access the feedback knob on the Boss DD20 with =20 > my foot:) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 01:46:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8A763BEE0; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2J1Ywlmzf8+SH0i8Qaog1HlVQhGq0PldR7QfLFuNxxyWM6Qxc/BQhns1koPFPHtISrKwlKI/jpljHkp5UKmF0QqtGZD5ZH2Gmt3NbzpDUUN+g32dVKc2YOyZlg86bwRf8zNMwEbNk8D+GbA5aMpVSMfzg1w0d+4jhDqlsAAEOjk= ; Message-ID: <20051202014640.90184.qmail@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:46:40 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Pedal to turn hardware knobs... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6B2C1CAF-6A5E-4744-9A62-1806C9EECA77@sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:46:42 +0000 (UTC) --- Mark Landman wrote: > > Try this; > > http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php > > Electro Harmonix did something like this 20 years > ago, not sure how > well either truly works... Only two reviews at Harmony-Central, but they are pro & con... http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Tone_in_Progress/Third_Hand-1.html I remember seeing a Boss pedal mod on the internet where the guy replaced one of the knobs on his flanger with an exp pedal jack. I don't know if this would be possible with the DD20 or not. Maybe we should just deluge Boss with email requests for pedal control of feedback on a new & improved DD20. __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 01:47:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9D4F3BF0A; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=n2rqlnXFYorPiQ9gGf8Ni0sXVNl7N+JpRXORYQDa8sj8lixFUCiL88xDl7cmf+qO; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005125215233450@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: IT MUST'VE BEEN A SLOW DAY LOOPERS Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:52:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940e31c1a80c870e0c08d0389adcbff7a27350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.84 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:47:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Ted, You are a funny man. I enjoyed your story, just as I continue to enjoy your Flux disc. Someday we will meet. If you're ever playing Greater Boston, lemme know. ~Tim Mungenast P.S.--I am planning a voiceover career "when I grow up," and I reckon I'll run across a few moments like the one you described. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 11/30/2005 9:41:02 PM Subject: Re: IT MUST'VE BEEN A SLOW DAY LOOPERS In a message dated 11/29/05 9:34:04 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: Then I got to listen to the engineer sort through all of the different "takes" trying to find the best bits to patch together tedzo.....sounds as if this here engineer don't like all ho's.....what's with that?.....:)m ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Ted, You are a funny man. I enjoyed your story, just as I continue to enjoy your Flux disc.
Someday we will meet. If you're ever playing Greater Boston, lemme know.
~Tim Mungenast
P.S.--I am planning a voiceover career "when I grow up," and I reckon I'll run across a few moments like the one you described.
 
  
 
 
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In a message dated 11/29/05 9:34:04 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


Then
I got to listen to the engineer sort through all of the different
"takes" trying to find the best bits to patch together


tedzo.....sounds as if this here engineer don't like all ho's.....what's with that?.....:)m
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 06:49:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10F3F3BEFE; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013f01c5f70c$94a310b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Pedal to turn hardware knobs... Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:49:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Pedal to turn hardware knobs? Yes, the naked toes of your feet! Wow, did you see Genie play at Y2K5? He was amazing. He played with bare feet and used both his feet to manipulate all the buttons on a Line 6 DL4. He did fadeouts..................changed echo times.............brought echoes in and out. I've never seen anything like it. He was so articulate with his toes it was a little hard to believe for me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 07:27:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C0A53BF00; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:27:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1OD7dB.A.gxH.Zd_jDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:27:22 +0000 (UTC) >> On Dec 1, 2005, at 23:12, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >>> That's bizarre--have you tried hooking both EDP's up to the same >>> MIDI >>> source at the same time? >> >> No. But he used his EDP with Loop4 and Loop3 with the same midi >> source and the same EDP settings. Loop4 failed while Loop3 synced >> fine. I guess this proves the MPC MIDI clock output is ok? >> >>> I'll try duping this problem tonight when I >>> get home. BTW, what era EDP does he have? On Dec 2, 2005, at 0:45, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Gibson or Oberheim white face? Gibson. It's the model introduced in 2001. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 08:11:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 650C43BF06; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051202000754.0800ec40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:12:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest In-Reply-To: References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:11:36 +0000 (UTC) At 01:56 PM 12/1/2005, Per Boysen wrote: >>>I've never noticed any sync flaws with my own EDP, but a friend with >>>Loop4 reported to me that his EDP looses MIDI clock sync each time he >>>goes Next Loop. He is running an AKAI MPC1000 as the MIDI clock >>>master and the EDP is set to Timing/Sync= IN. He says it was working >>>perfectly in Loop3. Any comments? Per, there is a known LoopIV problem when using sync=in and AutoRecord. There is an easy work-around, use LoopCopy=time instead of AutoRecord. (LoopCopy=time is a more flexible method of creating multiple loops than autorecord anyway, you can teach your student about that also. :-) This has been posted in more detail before: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200406/msg00453.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 08:51:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16B233BF06; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051202000754.0800ec40@loopers-delight.com> References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <6.1.2.0.2.20051202000754.0800ec40@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:51:51 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9a2wQD.A.UOB.qsAkDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:51:55 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:12, Kim Flint wrote: > At 01:56 PM 12/1/2005, Per Boysen wrote: >>>> I've never noticed any sync flaws with my own EDP, but a friend >>>> with >>>> Loop4 reported to me that his EDP looses MIDI clock sync each >>>> time he >>>> goes Next Loop. He is running an AKAI MPC1000 as the MIDI clock >>>> master and the EDP is set to Timing/Sync= IN. He says it was >>>> working >>>> perfectly in Loop3. Any comments? > > Per, > there is a known LoopIV problem when using sync=in and AutoRecord. > There is an easy work-around, use LoopCopy=time instead of > AutoRecord. (LoopCopy=time is a more flexible method of creating > multiple loops than autorecord anyway, you can teach your student > about that also. :-) > > This has been posted in more detail before: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200406/msg00453.html > > kim Kim, you're great! Now we're rescued here ;-) Thank you! This must be it. I will call the guy right away, maybe there is still time to get Loop4 into the loop for his Christmas concert. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 09:48:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 248FB3BF13; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oW2+HJYBW9mr8thQWuB+rHWzIjlP0KvLIGCMgiFw03zj2FSdz43q/mGdoMdc5vX9hcXXkSpdWAVd7C2tBWUmMnxsO948N0txnTJLR4UGFbakQU1RUdpikF3zaI1zqdihM1O24a/8MmkQh633SiJJ43fs2J9AtoOFJhqHsatPAvw= ; Message-ID: <20051202094816.43922.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:48:16 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051202000754.0800ec40@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Yes,there is indeed a problem with it, i did a show on Saturday where we improvised spontaneously music to pictures and paintings which were being manipulated with software.This is the first time i slave the EDP to my MPC1000 and i had to constantly trigger the reAlign function to keep the loops synced,i didn´t do any loop copy or auto record,just simply recorded to the running grooves of the MPC and it still happened.As a master the EDP works flawlesly though. Here is a little press snapshot: http://www.suedkurier.de/lokales/radolfzell/art1078,1810561.html cheers Luis --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 01:56 PM 12/1/2005, Per Boysen wrote: > >>>I've never noticed any sync flaws with my own > EDP, but a friend with > >>>Loop4 reported to me that his EDP looses MIDI > clock sync each time he > >>>goes Next Loop. He is running an AKAI MPC1000 as > the MIDI clock > >>>master and the EDP is set to Timing/Sync= IN. He > says it was working > >>>perfectly in Loop3. Any comments? > > Per, > there is a known LoopIV problem when using sync=in > and AutoRecord. There is > an easy work-around, use LoopCopy=time instead of > AutoRecord. > (LoopCopy=time is a more flexible method of creating > multiple loops than > autorecord anyway, you can teach your student about > that also. :-) > > This has been posted in more detail before: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200406/msg00453.html > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 15:05:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEBFB3BEE0; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=UH+TcQFbOEQDP34sGrQDNUqu4Iu1YKpAQqwX5GWcPh3vzUtbUavoJdIjDu1dRUdu78VjNTcYIbYVDqmqUKtgi0hZvkHYVlr1ruICxUKbbGOOs/sJvrwjimQnOWBt4g+1f9GkDds37o/grHptbxKqkCzwwZ9hDp7Krq+sws3Y9n4= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: Pedal to turn hardware knobs... Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:04:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <69FFDC55F2614E418DC056ABC0F9A0D604B0F454@bearcat.middlebury.edu> Thread-Index: AcX23cMEhLr/+fESR56So44hb6aSfwAc9eQg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20051202150511.40CC93BEDD@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:05:12 +0000 (UTC) http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Coyle [mailto:kellycoyle@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal to turn hardware knobs... Why not have it rehoused? (I have no idea what that might cost...) ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Dec 1, 2005, at 6:02 PM, David Coffin wrote: > Surely somebody's done this before... anybody got a clue, a link, an > idea...? (Goal: access the feedback knob on the Boss DD20 with my > foot:) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 15:34:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 379923BEFA; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20051202014640.90184.qmail@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051202014640.90184.qmail@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Pedal to turn hardware knobs... Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:34:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:34:47 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 1, 2005, at 6:46 PM, John Tidwell wrote: > --- Mark Landman wrote: >> Maybe we should just > deluge Boss with email requests for pedal control of > feedback on a new & improved DD20. Or, better yet, put the brains/functionality of the DD20 and/ or RC20xl in the GT8 - all your eggs in one basket. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 15:39:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 543D63BF11; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oxd3y6YLL5nRck+QphGAQHfIrzsEs0HO0nSzZWVVGyg5spczAvu04H0nJzaq6fe86gbaU/LqxT/3PHb01fB3HEex5DR8ASD/bvWw4VmH9IYALFIvXfYWl6qmjWj1Kx9Ce485MbZ1pd2lcHeitowtDMjNdTsEpzKz8jHtEmjHaVs= Message-ID: <64b81a780512020739u61feb0f8mefe890aa9f4c0caf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:39:16 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal to turn hardware knobs... In-Reply-To: <20051202014640.90184.qmail@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <6B2C1CAF-6A5E-4744-9A62-1806C9EECA77@sonic.net> <20051202014640.90184.qmail@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:39:18 +0000 (UTC) QSBidWRkeSBvZiBtaW5lIHJlbW92ZWQgdGhlIGRlbGF5IHRpbWUgcG90IG9mIGhpcyBCb3NzIERE NSBhbmQgc3R1Y2sKdGhlIHBvdCBpbiB0aGUgc2hlbGwgb2YgYSBDcnliYWJ5IFdhaCAoYWZ0ZXIg cmVtb3ZpbmcgdGhlIFdhaCdzIHBvdCkKYW5kIHJhbiBhIGNvdXBsZSB3aXJlcyBvdXQgb2YgdGhl IGhvbGUgaW4gdGhlIEJvc3Mgd2hlcmUgdGhlIHBvdCB1c2VkCnRvIGJlIHRvIGNvbm5lY3QgaXQg dG8gdGhlIFdhaC4gIFdvcmtlZCBsaWtlIGEgY2hhcm0uCgpBbnl3YXksIGp1c3QgYW4gaWRlYS4K VG9kZAoKCk9uIDEyLzEvMDUsIEpvaG4gVGlkd2VsbCA8d2VkZ2VoZWRAeWFob28uY29tPiB3cm90 ZToKPiAtLS0gTWFyayBMYW5kbWFuIDxtbGFuZG1hbkBzb25pYy5uZXQ+IHdyb3RlOgo+Cj4gPgo+ ID4gVHJ5IHRoaXM7Cj4gPgo+ID4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tdXNpY3RveXouY29tL2d1aXRhci9wZWRh bHMvdGlwLnBocAo+ID4KPiA+IEVsZWN0cm8gSGFybW9uaXggZGlkIHNvbWV0aGluZyBsaWtlIHRo aXMgMjAgeWVhcnMKPiA+IGFnbywgbm90IHN1cmUgaG93Cj4gPiB3ZWxsIGVpdGhlciB0cnVseSB3 b3Jrcy4uLgo+Cj4KPiBPbmx5IHR3byByZXZpZXdzIGF0IEhhcm1vbnktQ2VudHJhbCwgYnV0IHRo ZXkgYXJlIHBybwo+ICYgY29uLi4uCj4KPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmhhcm1vbnktY2VudHJhbC5jb20v RWZmZWN0cy9EYXRhL1RvbmVfaW5fUHJvZ3Jlc3MvVGhpcmRfSGFuZC0xLmh0bWwKPgo+IEkgcmVt ZW1iZXIgc2VlaW5nIGEgQm9zcyBwZWRhbCBtb2Qgb24gdGhlIGludGVybmV0Cj4gd2hlcmUgdGhl IGd1eSByZXBsYWNlZCBvbmUgb2YgdGhlIGtub2JzIG9uIGhpcyBmbGFuZ2VyCj4gd2l0aCBhbiBl eHAgcGVkYWwgamFjay4gSSBkb24ndCBrbm93IGlmIHRoaXMgd291bGQgYmUKPiBwb3NzaWJsZSB3 aXRoIHRoZSBERDIwIG9yIG5vdC4gTWF5YmUgd2Ugc2hvdWxkIGp1c3QKPiBkZWx1Z2UgQm9zcyB3 aXRoIGVtYWlsIHJlcXVlc3RzIGZvciBwZWRhbCBjb250cm9sIG9mCj4gZmVlZGJhY2sgb24gYSBu ZXcgJiBpbXByb3ZlZCBERDIwLgo+Cj4KPgo+Cj4KPgo+IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwo+IFlhaG9vISBEU0wgliBTb21ldGhpbmcgdG8gd3JpdGUgaG9t ZSBhYm91dC4KPiBKdXN0ICQxNi45OS9tby4gb3IgbGVzcy4KPiBkc2wueWFob28uY29tCj4KPgo= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 19:41:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 700563BEF0; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:37:27 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-H 16sec Reissue Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Thank you SOOO much for posting this. EH is being (as always) very secretive about this upgrade (no info on web site, no info sent out to retailers, and I got a cryptic email that didn't really answer my questions.) Apparently all "new" units are shipping with this chip but I didn't get any info on how you can tell if the unit has it done already or not. If you (or anyone ) get's this done please post to the list and let us know how it works. From what I've been able to piece together in the new mode there is no count in and you can start/stop the loop (and presumabaly internal clock) on the fly by stepping on the record switch (this is how the orignal worked). Apparently the unit can be set back to the count-in mode by the user with some special button presses. What I'd like to know is if the unit still spits out midi sync in time if you start and stop the loop manually and if you can reset it to internal clock but NOT have the count in. I AM thrilled to see EH came to their senses and made this option as the previous system of having ot play to the pedal's internal clock was very counter-intuitive to improvising and made NO sense given how the original (and virtually ever other looper since) works. If this will allow the user to stomp in the loop points and then spit out midi sync that would make it about 300% more useful and I'd probably make it my main looper for live use! On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, egdono wrote: > For anyone that uses the E-H 16sec Reissue, there is an upgrade available > now that allows you to disable the count-in and set the loop endpoints on > the fly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 2 20:01:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 737003BEE7; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:01:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-H 16sec Reissue Update Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:01:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 20:01:01.0094 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E471460:01C5F77B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:01:03 +0000 (UTC) Amen! It was just plain stupid of them to put that count-down 'feature' to begin with. Thanks for the update. Lou >From: Legion >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: E-H 16sec Reissue Update >Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:37:27 -0800 (PST) > > >Thank you SOOO much for posting this. EH is being (as always) very >secretive about this upgrade (no info on web site, no info sent out to >retailers, and I got a cryptic email that didn't really answer my >questions.) > >Apparently all "new" units are shipping with this chip but I didn't get >any info on how you can tell if the unit has it done already or not. If >you (or anyone ) get's this done please post to the list and let us know >how it works. From what I've been able to piece together in the new mode >there is no count in and you can start/stop the loop (and presumabaly >internal clock) on the fly by stepping on the record switch (this is how >the orignal worked). > >Apparently the unit can be set back to the count-in mode by the user with >some special button presses. > >What I'd like to know is if the unit still spits out midi sync in time if >you start and stop the loop manually and if you can reset it to internal >clock but NOT have the count in. > >I AM thrilled to see EH came to their senses and made this option as the >previous system of having ot play to the pedal's internal clock was very >counter-intuitive to improvising and made NO sense given how the >original (and virtually ever other looper since) works. If this will allow >the user to stomp in the loop points and then spit out midi sync that >would make it about 300% more useful and I'd probably make it my main >looper for live use! > >On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, egdono wrote: > > For anyone that uses the E-H 16sec Reissue, there is an upgrade >available > > now that allows you to disable the count-in and set the loop endpoints >on > > the fly. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 02:54:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA5E03BEE0; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e/uxTDzcVNs5YFlyVucdClmrMTbmMU/2XobHxC5ObiXv10TPDK4Uyvd3GGwtHktt6Okm5XMFQVRgWiN5+6lc10lv64JkalkC3u/EsAas9YR/jHmgCPfoifjFyxLv+/6PCfyjBE9LjHhWUPzn2s3N91HpdbTN9rr06L0mOHhfkqE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:54:42 -0500 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-H 16sec Reissue Update In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 02:54:43 +0000 (UTC) How new of a unit ships with this upgrade? Is there anything in the manual that tells you about this? I don't see it on my manual or the online manual and I believe I have a fairly newer unit. Joey On 12/2/05, Legion wrote: > > Thank you SOOO much for posting this. EH is being (as always) very > secretive about this upgrade (no info on web site, no info sent out to > retailers, and I got a cryptic email that didn't really answer my > questions.) > > Apparently all "new" units are shipping with this chip but I didn't get > any info on how you can tell if the unit has it done already or not. If > you (or anyone ) get's this done please post to the list and let us know > how it works. From what I've been able to piece together in the new mode > there is no count in and you can start/stop the loop (and presumabaly > internal clock) on the fly by stepping on the record switch (this is how > the orignal worked). > > Apparently the unit can be set back to the count-in mode by the user with > some special button presses. > > What I'd like to know is if the unit still spits out midi sync in time if > you start and stop the loop manually and if you can reset it to internal > clock but NOT have the count in. > > I AM thrilled to see EH came to their senses and made this option as the > previous system of having ot play to the pedal's internal clock was very > counter-intuitive to improvising and made NO sense given how the > original (and virtually ever other looper since) works. If this will allo= w > the user to stomp in the loop points and then spit out midi sync that > would make it about 300% more useful and I'd probably make it my main > looper for live use! > > On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, egdono wrote: > > For anyone that uses the E-H 16sec Reissue, there is an upgrade availab= le > > now that allows you to disable the count-in and set the loop endpoints = on > > the fly. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 12:12:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C0563BED8; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #12205354 Message-ID: <43918BF5.4070800@gmx.net> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 13:13:41 +0100 From: "Janosch K." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Moebius software looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I still have a nice laptop (PIII 1 GHz, 256 MB memory) laying around, fairly unused, so I thought about trying out software loopers like Moebius before getting a hardware device. How stable are these programs? Are they suitable for live use? And is latency an issue? I plan to get an audio interface, so the latency will be only few ms, still I have no idea if that's a problem then. Best regards, Janosch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 15:12:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F9263BEDC; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051203100353.01eb7418@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:12:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Moebius software looper In-Reply-To: <43918BF5.4070800@gmx.net> References: <43918BF5.4070800@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-365046D Resent-Message-ID: <-BavL.A.flH.uXbkDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:12:46 +0000 (UTC) I'm using an older compaq m300, pIII 600 mhz, 389mb ram. You want to optimize it for running music and make sure that you don't have a whole lot of other programs running in the background. you'll run into some glitches if you let overdub run continuously, I start getting this terrible glitch sound after about 25 passes. If you can, upgrade the ram to the max that's possible in that laptop. Mine runs very well, but I don't have any other programs running on it.... It's basically set up as my looper. paul ontario, Canada At 07:13 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >I still have a nice laptop (PIII 1 GHz, 256 MB memory) laying around, >fairly unused, so I thought about trying out software loopers like Moebius >before getting a hardware device. How stable are these programs? Are they >suitable for live use? And is latency an issue? I plan to get an audio >interface, so the latency will be only few ms, still I have no idea if >that's a problem then. > >Best regards, Janosch > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 17:13:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BE503BEE6; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4391D203.5050202@funkstille.com> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 12:12:35 -0500 From: Matt Cordrey User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Custom echoplex floorboard. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - colo13.ukhost4u.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - funkstille.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone recall seeing the picture of the custom floorboard that someone built, with his echoplex angled up above his other gear? I found online it about a year ago, but I cannot recall where it was. I'm looking to build something similar, any help in finding the page is much appreciated. Cheers, Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 18:31:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46D473BEE6; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OjlrKcpo/aW6WoM3GDVNPLoKdCQwtQli7fWjLmUl4EC0KeoO1lLOa4qCApaPT1CdNQAYuXaFUeHcoSGGWwT/dQZpujvbjvVlEpWK95yueodUsHKdyUqccoMqVIMZvYykqb09R2IzwxXivt3EDLwU23xKBdRbw8lDPDjRyifs8W8= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512031031x1b2a4572j432ffccefc341279@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:31:22 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Custom echoplex floorboard. In-Reply-To: <4391D203.5050202@funkstille.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4391D203.5050202@funkstille.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:31:24 +0000 (UTC) On 12/3/05, Matt Cordrey wrote: > Does anyone recall seeing the picture of the custom floorboard that > someone built, with his echoplex angled up above his other gear? I http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html and scroll down to version 2. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 18:46:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E8133BEF1; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43918BF5.4070800@gmx.net> References: <43918BF5.4070800@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Moebius software looper Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:46:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1jmbMC.A.kPG.9fekDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:46:22 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 3, 2005, at 13:13, Janosch K. wrote: > I still have a nice laptop (PIII 1 GHz, 256 MB memory) laying > around, fairly unused, so I thought about trying out software > loopers like Moebius before getting a hardware device. How stable > are these programs? Are they suitable for live use? And is latency > an issue? I plan to get an audio interface, so the latency will be > only few ms, still I have no idea if that's a problem then. I had an IBM Thinkpad (PIII 700 MHz, 640 MB ram) and it was totally stable with Albeton Live (Moebius wasn't available back then). I still use the same audio interfaces, an Echo Indigo i/o and a RME Multiface - both pci/PCMCIA based and recommendable. I use them on both Mac and PC machines. Today I'm running Moebius on a 2 GHz Centrino with GB ram (planning to upgrade it to 2 when I get rich) and that machine is also completely stable. > How stable are these programs? I would say they are fully stable. If the laptop crashes it's due to factors as computer hardware (bad ram, to little ram), lousy drivers, fragmented hard drive or a fat and sick register file from too many other applications installed. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 18:56:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 212763BEEA; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4391EA22.8000901@funkstille.com> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 13:55:30 -0500 From: Matt Cordrey User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Custom echoplex floorboard. References: <4391D203.5050202@funkstille.com> <353e2ed80512031031x1b2a4572j432ffccefc341279@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80512031031x1b2a4572j432ffccefc341279@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - colo13.ukhost4u.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - funkstille.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Thanks David, that's it. David Morton wrote: >On 12/3/05, Matt Cordrey wrote: > > >>Does anyone recall seeing the picture of the custom floorboard that >>someone built, with his echoplex angled up above his other gear? I >> >> > >http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html >and scroll down to version 2. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 19:05:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FB473BEEC; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <43918BF5.4070800@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4F79BFD4-0C4B-4DBF-8615-60CAB1F0FE83@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Moebius software looper Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:05:51 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <86cwsC.A.KSH.SyekDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:05:55 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 3, 2005, at 19:46, Per Boysen wrote: > I would say they are fully stable. If the laptop crashes it's due > to factors as computer hardware (bad ram, to little ram), lousy > drivers, fragmented hard drive or a fat and sick register file from > too many other applications installed. ...or shared video memory. Forgot that one. Not recommendable for audi use. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 20:19:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E50723BEF0; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:19:40 -0500 From: enat21213@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7C65E06214EC2-1B54-20CB6@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: help..advice ...epd and sampler Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.193.235 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:19:46 +0000 (UTC) i'm looking to get into playing with backing tracks live....what's a good hardware device (sampler) that will hold multiple songs around 3-4-5 minutes. a good live friendly software? what do people around here use (hardware or software)? planing on triggering it with my edp. thanks for any advice in advance, brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 20:35:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B28F13BEF7; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001801c5f849$a5d30be0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <4391D203.5050202@funkstille.com> <353e2ed80512031031x1b2a4572j432ffccefc341279@mail.gmail.com> <4391EA22.8000901@funkstille.com> Subject: Re: Custom echoplex floorboard. Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:39:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi. You can go directly to version 2 by using this URL: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html#V2 I took that Angstrom pedalboard and added a trimmed-down wooden shelf (well, partcle board with wood-grain covering) to the inside. Two reasons: 1. It makes it easier to plug cables into mounted pedals. The Angstrom pedalboard's surface is sunk in about an inch below the sides, which tends to obscure the jacks if they are close to the edge. 2. It doesn't collect cat hair as much. Then I had a friend cut out those two angled pieces of shelf stuff and drove wood screws into them (with glue for extra strength since the particle board isn't that strong). It's kind heavy, but it works fine. I've never had a problem even when moving it around a lot. When I set up, I have one power cable for each pedalboard. The split cable for the guitar plugs into the EQ and tuner on the right. One 1/4" cable goes from the right board to the left board. Then an XLR comes off the left board into my PA. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Cordrey" To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Custom echoplex floorboard. > Thanks David, that's it. > > David Morton wrote: > > >On 12/3/05, Matt Cordrey wrote: > > > > > >>Does anyone recall seeing the picture of the custom floorboard that > >>someone built, with his echoplex angled up above his other gear? I > >> > >> > > > >http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html > >and scroll down to version 2. > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 3 21:11:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47A0A3BEF6; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <8C7C65E06214EC2-1B54-20CB6@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C7C65E06214EC2-1B54-20CB6@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <34C5C5AB-B1E9-4466-BE82-67FF3868A2FB@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: help..advice ...epd and sampler Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:11:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:11:11 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 3, 2005, at 21:19, enat21213@aol.com wrote: > i'm looking to get into playing with backing tracks live....what's > a good hardware device (sampler) that will hold multiple songs > around 3-4-5 minutes. Why not get a cheap DAT recorder or mini disc? I mean if it's static backing tracks that would be totally fool proof. I've been touring with backing tracks on CD and DAT (2 tr stereo as well as 8 tr ADAT) and with CD you really have to get a "DJ safe" CD player. You can not rely on the venues to have that. Problems with some CD players is that bass frequencies at loud levels make the backing track stutter. That's why we always used DAT for backing tracks. As "backing track sampler" I guess any hard drive based recorder would do fine. > a good live friendly software? Ableton Live! May be a bit overkill for backing tracks, but very good if you want to keep the freedom of playing around with arrangements on stage. > what do people around here use (hardware or software)? > planing on triggering it with my edp. One example is the Jon Hassel tour (featuring looper Eivind Aarset) where they used Live for for the freedom of rearranging on the spot. > planing on triggering it with my edp. I guess you want the backing track to start when you create the first EDP loop? This is fine with Ableton Live, but you will have to keep off the speed button and not change the 8th/cycle (program) while performing, or the backing track will follow those tempo shifts as well (might be wanted though?) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 06:06:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8C4F3BEDF; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051203214914.08dc6878@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:06:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest In-Reply-To: <20051202094816.43922.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051202000754.0800ec40@loopers-delight.com> <20051202094816.43922.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 06:06:23 +0000 (UTC) At 01:48 AM 12/2/2005, Luis Angulo wrote: >Yes,there is indeed a problem with it, i did a show on >Saturday where we improvised spontaneously music to >pictures and paintings which were being manipulated >with software.This is the first time i slave the EDP >to my MPC1000 and i had to constantly trigger the >reAlign function to keep the loops synced,i didn´t do >any loop copy or auto record,just simply recorded to >the running grooves of the MPC and it still >happened.As a master the EDP works flawlesly though. Luis, The problem we are talking about here only relates to using AutoRecord with sync=in, and has the easy fix of using LoopCopy=time instead of AutoRecord. If you were not using AutoRecord, then I don't think you were having the same issue Per is talking about. There isn't any known issue with normal use of sync in from midi clock - that should work fine. You would have to give a better explanation of your problem/setup for us to help you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 12:05:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C4123BEDF; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MlOk0WcGX/JSPZTU2qJ9tqPbvzAQLoxNFQcaYYpBwkGj5p239/6wEjEjreOQHsc17vOt6UyTXlbX6wDhx52KONh5N0URIGd/hAJV1yIHQPwSFNNI754KNpuX/t/EzZSLamPVQm+5EuWA0QNgkjA6xHMUPjKGhdyoLE1hjk7vcpc= ; Message-ID: <20051204120508.60001.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 04:05:08 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051203214914.08dc6878@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kim, Here is how i have the devices hooked up: (this might not relate to auto record) MPC1000 sampler midi out into FCB1010 midi in then its midi out into EDP midi in.The FCB1010 controller shows a blinking dot when receiving midi clock from the MPC1000 i assume and the EDP was responding as well.I was doing a lot of multiplying,inserting,replacing and re-recording and it would stay synced for the most part but after a while it would start drifting.I am still wondering about this because i tried this at home again and let a loop run for a long time and didn´t notice any problems... cheers Luis --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 01:48 AM 12/2/2005, Luis Angulo wrote: > >Yes,there is indeed a problem with it, i did a show > on > >Saturday where we improvised spontaneously music to > >pictures and paintings which were being manipulated > >with software.This is the first time i slave the > EDP > >to my MPC1000 and i had to constantly trigger the > >reAlign function to keep the loops synced,i didn´t > do > >any loop copy or auto record,just simply recorded > to > >the running grooves of the MPC and it still > >happened.As a master the EDP works flawlesly > though. > > Luis, > > The problem we are talking about here only relates > to using AutoRecord with > sync=in, and has the easy fix of using LoopCopy=time > instead of AutoRecord. > If you were not using AutoRecord, then I don't think > you were having the > same issue Per is talking about. There isn't any > known issue with normal > use of sync in from midi clock - that should work > fine. You would have to > give a better explanation of your problem/setup for > us to help you. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 15:55:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A63B3BEDC; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,212,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="179785034:sNHT32072436" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:51:20 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performances Cambridge 12.11.05 and Boston 12.17.05 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, On Sunday 12.11, I'll be performing in Cambridge with Red Skies and Chris Pearson. Red Skies (www.myspace.com/redskiesletsdie & Chris Pearson (www.myspace.com/chrispearsonmusic Live at the All Asia Cafe, 334 Mass. Ave., Cambridge Sunday, December 11th @ 930pm no cover charge. free show! with Dr. T doing live video projections! On Saturday 12.17 I'll be performing at Artist's at Large in Hyde Park, as part of the Immersion series as described below. The next Immersions event will occur on Saturday, Dec. 17 at 8:PM, at Artists at Large, which is at the First Congregational Church, 6 Webster Street at the intersection of Webster and River in Hyde Park. "Immersions" is a monthly genre-crossing intermedia improvisation series built around the core of Doctor T (Video) of Doctor T (Video), Dean Stiglitz (ElectroFlute and Electronics) and Ramona Herboldsheimer.The performance is a dialog between music and imagery, with the performers in each medium reacting to the other. We will be joined by guest artist's Bob McCloskey on reeds and percussion, and, for the second set, Glynnis (DragonWoman) Loman on cello, and Helena Schniewin, live videography Last month's immersions was sparkling, with a spacy first set by Dean, Ramona, and Dr. T, and Glynnis Loman breathing cello fire on us for the second set. Doctor T had been performing improvised projections to music since 1974, His flowing visual improvisations blend realism and abstraction. He mixes DVD's with video and animations culled from 35 years of image-making, using multiple video mixers controlled with a Midi percussion controller. Dean Stiglitz is a flautist, composer, flute-maker , inventor, and synthesist. He improvises on a hybrid flute- synthesizer system that he has created using an embedded microphone and a custom patched modular synthesizer. Ramona Herboldsheimer is a delightfully intuitive performer on amplified hammered dulcimer. Dean and Ramona are long standing members of The Lothars. Immersions happens on the third Saturday of the month, at Artists at Large, which is at the First Congregational Church, 6 Webster Street at the intersection of Webster and River in Hyde Park. Admission is by donation -- suggested donation is $7.00 Phone 617-276-3223. Directions http://artistsatlargeinc.org/directions.html -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 19:14:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 863F63BED0; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,208,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="137579485:sNHT30082236" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:04:59 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: More Details Video Performance Cambridge 12.11.05 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:14:31 +0000 (UTC) At 9:57 AM -0800 12/4/05, jinsen liu wrote: >Chris Pearson & Red Skies > >When: >Sunday Dec 11, 2005 >at 9:00 PM > >Where: >All Asia Cafe >334 Mass Ave >Cambridge, MA 02139 >US > > > >Join in the fun on Sunday, December 11, and come see former Green >Magnet School noisemaker >Chris Pearson debut his >solo performance of original instrumentals opening for >Red Skies at the >All Asia Cafe. The fantastical Dr. T >will be providing psychedelic projections, too. Cool! Expect the >loud and the soft, the pretty and the ugly, and fun all around >whether the solo organic/computer music approach comes off as fresh >or a disaster. Either way, it should be good times. Admission is >FREE, so let's face it, you have no excuse to not make it short of >coming down with a bad case of Avian Flu or Future Shock. Come early >and enjoy some good food or cocktails. After a long Sunday of >holiday shopping for the ones you love and hate, what better way to >wind down than witnessing the mad science of guitars, laptop, >drones, samples, beats, bloops, bass and loops, all performed by one >guy on a mission to the center of yr brain? Far out! Be there AND be >square! 9PM on. -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 19:43:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD79C3BED0; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:43:31 -0500 Subject: Sooperlooper question. From: todd reynolds To: LD Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Sooperlooper question. Thread-Index: AcX5CwEyP+PNkGT+Edq8hAAKldLXPg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3216552214_386936" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:43:36 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3216552214_386936 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I=B9m having a wonderful time watching how sooperlooper so neatly integrates into ableton live, but am stuck on the midi routing. I thought that it would simply show up somewhere, whether in preferences or in the midi routing pull down. After consulting the docs, I downloaded midi patchbay, but don=B9t see it there either...=20 Can somebody throw me a quick bone? So I can start trying to emulate my edp?? Thanks so much, Todd ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --B_3216552214_386936 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sooperlooper question. Hi all,

I’m having a wonderful time watching how sooperlooper so neatly integ= rates into ableton live, but am stuck on the midi routing.  

I thought that it would simply show up somewhere, whether in preferences or= in the midi routing pull down.  

After consulting the docs, I downloaded midi patchbay, but don’t see = it there either...

Can somebody throw me a quick bone?  So I can start trying to emulate = my edp??

Thanks so much,

Todd


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“Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter
“Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to th= e creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman
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Todd Reynolds
42-09 47th Ave 1C
Sunnyside, NY  11104
 
Ph.    718 392-3773
Mob.   917 576-6166
Fax    419 781-5502
 
http://www.toddreynolds.com
http://www.ethelcentral.com

todd@toddreynolds.com
9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less)
AIM ID: toddreyn


 --B_3216552214_386936-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 20:05:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F5003BECD; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gTW5zJwQO7hIvcSRLGmOz4vgnaYwyDMO12PGvX4lE1jDwm/qjy3p7ESlrz1raUBo2RkAsBvB636+6Tq/QYFR6SxkWyLpWQR0wPOWL3Vbf+bwsx3NINpd4goii+wHhdhUDh/aFLWJraGWu8Th2hQtzl9VGOAVWvmKLI5TS+93Rx4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:05:36 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sooperlooper question. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:05:40 +0000 (UTC) As I recall, it won't show up in the MIDI patchbay unless it's actually running. Then it's an option in the pulldown menus for in and out. TravisH On 12/4/05, todd reynolds wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm having a wonderful time watching how sooperlooper so neatly integrat= es > into ableton live, but am stuck on the midi routing. > > I thought that it would simply show up somewhere, whether in preferences= or > in the midi routing pull down. > > After consulting the docs, I downloaded midi patchbay, but don't see it > there either... > > Can somebody throw me a quick bone? So I can start trying to emulate my > edp?? > > Thanks so much, > > Todd > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- > "Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad" - Trevor Exter > > "Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the > creative part of sound" - Ornette Coleman > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------- > Todd Reynolds > 42-09 47th Ave 1C > Sunnyside, NY 11104 > > Ph. 718 392-3773 > Mob. 917 576-6166 > Fax 419 781-5502 > > http://www.toddreynolds.com > http://www.ethelcentral.com > > todd@toddreynolds.com > 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) > AIM ID: toddreyn > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 20:13:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43A813BECC; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <59D8F911-CF47-4E3B-9BF4-589B01EA0AAA@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sooperlooper question. Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:13:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:13:52 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 4, 2005, at 20:43, todd reynolds wrote: > I=92m having a wonderful time watching how sooperlooper so neatly =20 > integrates into ableton live, but am stuck on the midi routing. I =20 > thought that it would simply show up somewhere, whether in =20 > preferences or in the midi routing pull down. > After consulting the docs, I downloaded midi patchbay, but don=92t =20 > see it there either... I'm not sure I correctly understand what you are asking for, but =20 anyway, here's the trick to route MIDI into SL and the SL loops =20 output to different Ableton Live 5 tracks: SL-au has to be opened on a MIDI track in Live. Not on an audio track. This is how I set up a three loops SL rig in Live: 1. Open SooperLooper AU plug-in on a MIDI track. 2. Name this MIDI track "SL input". 3. Turn down the volume for this MIDI track (but keep the Monitor set =20= to "In") 4. Create three Audio tracks and set them all to "Audio =46rom =3D Ext = in =20 1/2" 5. Outputs for those three Audio tracks should be: a) SL input, 3/4-SooperLooperAU b) SL input, 5/6-SooperLooperAU c) SL input, 7/8-SooperLooperAU Now you have created three separate audio inputs to clone and =20 distribute our live input into the three SL loops on the MIDI Track =20 "SL input". Time to make the output routings: 6. Create three Audio tracks and name them SL1, SL2 and SL3 . 7. Set audio inputs like this: a) SL1: Audio =46rom =3D SL Input, 3/4-SooperLooperAU b) SL2: Audio =46rom =3D SL input, 5/6-SooperLooperAU c) SL3: Audio =46rom =3D SL input, 7/8-SooperLooperAU Make sure all seven tracks have the Monitor selector set to "In". MIDI control data should be sent to the Live MIDI channel/track that =20 is hosting the SL-au plug-in. You can do those settings in Live's =20 MIDI Preferences window. Route your MIDI input where you have =20 connected your MIDI controller to "Input/Remote" by ticking the "off" =20= button for that routing so it goes "On" instead. In general, the MIDI/=20= Sync preferences page is like a MIDI patch bay: you have the three =20 functions Track, Sync and Remote for both Input and Output. Set them =20 all up as you want the data to flow! If you also activate the system =20 built-in IAC Driver bus you can use that one to send midi from one =20 track's MIDI clips into plug-ins on a different track. That's very =20 fun to play with ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 20:57:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D45A3BEDC; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000c01c5f915$66f61580$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20051204120508.60001.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:57:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <8gx1-D.A.wwH.Th1kDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Luis are you really sure of the quality off the soft thru off the behringer footped ?? before going after the edp again ... it took me 20 sec to make a search on the fcb yahoo group (soft thru) to find some post complaining about the merge function and you go with midi clock thru the fcb while banging whatever edp functions and complaining the edp looses sync "sometimes" after a while. quote I was doing a lot of multiplying,inserting,replacing and re-recording and it would stay synced for the most part but after a while it would start drifting unquote please get a "real" merge box then describe exactly what you pressed then we can perhaps understand what happened Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest Hi Kim, Here is how i have the devices hooked up: (this might not relate to auto record) MPC1000 sampler midi out into FCB1010 midi in then its midi out into EDP midi in.The FCB1010 controller shows a blinking dot when receiving midi clock from the MPC1000 i assume and the EDP was responding as well.I was doing a lot of multiplying,inserting,replacing and re-recording and it would stay synced for the most part but after a while it would start drifting.I am still wondering about this because i tried this at home again and let a loop run for a long time and didn´t notice any problems... cheers Luis --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 01:48 AM 12/2/2005, Luis Angulo wrote: > >Yes,there is indeed a problem with it, i did a show > on > >Saturday where we improvised spontaneously music to > >pictures and paintings which were being manipulated > >with software.This is the first time i slave the > EDP > >to my MPC1000 and i had to constantly trigger the > >reAlign function to keep the loops synced,i didn´t > do > >any loop copy or auto record,just simply recorded > to > >the running grooves of the MPC and it still > >happened.As a master the EDP works flawlesly > though. > > Luis, > > The problem we are talking about here only relates > to using AutoRecord with > sync=in, and has the easy fix of using LoopCopy=time > instead of AutoRecord. > If you were not using AutoRecord, then I don't think > you were having the > same issue Per is talking about. There isn't any > known issue with normal > use of sync in from midi clock - that should work > fine. You would have to > give a better explanation of your problem/setup for > us to help you. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 21:19:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FFF53BEEE; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:19:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Sooperlooper question. From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Sooperlooper question. Thread-Index: AcX5GGUPo3qZvGULEdqO5AAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <59D8F911-CF47-4E3B-9BF4-589B01EA0AAA@boysen.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Thank you so much, per. That was exactly what I was looking for, but not THREE of them, just one... But using your schema, I now have three at once. I just have to figure out how to control each one without using completely different information if that is possible. Always what we ask for, and THEN some... It works like a charm... Now to make the midi routings so that I can address all from the same fcb 1010 bank, I think I can do that, at least I hope so. If not, I'll ask. All best, and thanks again. On 12/4/05 3:13 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On Dec 4, 2005, at 20:43, todd reynolds wrote: >=20 >> I=B9m having a wonderful time watching how sooperlooper so neatly >> integrates into ableton live, but am stuck on the midi routing. I >> thought that it would simply show up somewhere, whether in >> preferences or in the midi routing pull down. >> After consulting the docs, I downloaded midi patchbay, but don=B9t >> see it there either... >=20 > I'm not sure I correctly understand what you are asking for, but > anyway, here's the trick to route MIDI into SL and the SL loops > output to different Ableton Live 5 tracks: >=20 > SL-au has to be opened on a MIDI track in Live. Not on an audio track. > This is how I set up a three loops SL rig in Live: >=20 > 1. Open SooperLooper AU plug-in on a MIDI track. > 2. Name this MIDI track "SL input". > 3. Turn down the volume for this MIDI track (but keep the Monitor set > to "In") > 4. Create three Audio tracks and set them all to "Audio From =3D Ext in > 1/2" > 5. Outputs for those three Audio tracks should be: > a) SL input, 3/4-SooperLooperAU > b) SL input, 5/6-SooperLooperAU > c) SL input, 7/8-SooperLooperAU >=20 > Now you have created three separate audio inputs to clone and > distribute our live input into the three SL loops on the MIDI Track > "SL input". Time to make the output routings: >=20 > 6. Create three Audio tracks and name them SL1, SL2 and SL3 . > 7. Set audio inputs like this: > a) SL1: Audio From =3D SL Input, 3/4-SooperLooperAU > b) SL2: Audio From =3D SL input, 5/6-SooperLooperAU > c) SL3: Audio From =3D SL input, 7/8-SooperLooperAU >=20 > Make sure all seven tracks have the Monitor selector set to "In". >=20 > MIDI control data should be sent to the Live MIDI channel/track that > is hosting the SL-au plug-in. You can do those settings in Live's > MIDI Preferences window. Route your MIDI input where you have > connected your MIDI controller to "Input/Remote" by ticking the "off" > button for that routing so it goes "On" instead. In general, the MIDI/ > Sync preferences page is like a MIDI patch bay: you have the three > functions Track, Sync and Remote for both Input and Output. Set them > all up as you want the data to flow! If you also activate the system > built-in IAC Driver bus you can use that one to send midi from one > track's MIDI clips into plug-ins on a different track. That's very > fun to play with ;-) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 22:09:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B9ED3BEE6; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0C8E9148-5178-443C-8191-5FB743DB4320@mem.li> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: zurrigo Subject: EDP_thump-noise Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 23:09:14 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp-05.tornado.cablecom.ch X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-spamcheck-02.tornado.cablecom.ch-Metrics: smtp-05.tornado.cablecom.ch 32701; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: <6eV4UD.A.MbC.Ok2kDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Hello all and "nice to be back on the list" after an eventful three month including a y2k5-loop-festival-performance with my EDP on strike and an upcoming CD release... ... I am having a hard time with my looper back in switzerland for every time i push the record button or sometimes also the next loop one, it gives me that "thump!" noise now i can remember having heard someone talk about this issue earlier this year but i neither can remember who it was nor can i find it in the archives so any hints are received most gratefully (CD orders are received gratefully, too - but i am afraid that pay pal button on my website doesn't seem to be working yet and i imagine no one here wants to give me any hints about how to deal with that worst pal i've ever dealed with... ...anyway, check it out: http://www.mem.li/e/craft-paypal_e.html) thanx phil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 22:27:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A1103BEEE; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:27:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: track on compilation CD Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43936D62.26573.38A6E63@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20051204211927.CEB5F3BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Following a gig in Leeds earlier this year, I've had a track included on the "Awakenings 2006" cd, featuring acts who have performed for them. Mine is a looping track, needless to say! See www.nickrobinson.info/music for a link I'm currently having a lot of fun working on some collaborative pieces with Bernhard Wagner, which will hopefully see the light of day in some form next year. If anyone in the UK is holding gigs of a loopy nature, please consider me for a slot - I'm based in Sheffield (home of avant-garde guitarist Derek Bailey). All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 4 22:41:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 702FF3BEE6; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: scott@dreamstate.to via o2.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.074111 secs) Message-ID: <1145.65.95.228.96.1133736070.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> In-Reply-To: <000c01c5f915$66f61580$0201a8c0@mini> References: <20051204120508.60001.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> <000c01c5f915$66f61580$0201a8c0@mini> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:41:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest From: scott@dreamstate.to To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8xgop.A.gaD.DC3kDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:41:07 +0000 (UTC) It would be worthwhile trying the merge box as the 1010's Through is know to be iffy. There's an alternate operating system that you can read about & order through the FCB1010 Yahoo group that is supposed to improve the Through and many other elements. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > Luis > > are you really sure of the quality off the soft thru off the behringer > footped ?? before going after the edp again ... > it took me 20 sec to make a search on the fcb yahoo group (soft thru) to > find some post complaining about the merge function > > and you go with midi clock thru the fcb while banging whatever edp > functions > and complaining the edp looses sync "sometimes" after a while. > quote > I was doing a lot of multiplying,inserting,replacing and > re-recording and it would stay synced for the most > part but after a while it would start drifting > unquote > > please get a "real" merge box then describe exactly what you pressed then > we > can perhaps understand what happened > > Claude > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Angulo" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest > > > Hi Kim, > Here is how i have the devices hooked up: > (this might not relate to auto record) > MPC1000 sampler midi out into FCB1010 midi in then its > midi out into EDP midi in.The FCB1010 controller shows > a blinking dot when receiving midi clock from the > MPC1000 i assume and the EDP was responding as well.I > was doing a lot of multiplying,inserting,replacing and > re-recording and it would stay synced for the most > part but after a while it would start drifting.I am > still wondering about this because i tried this at > home again and let a loop run for a long time and > didn´t notice any problems... > cheers > Luis > > > > --- Kim Flint wrote: > >> At 01:48 AM 12/2/2005, Luis Angulo wrote: >> >Yes,there is indeed a problem with it, i did a show >> on >> >Saturday where we improvised spontaneously music to >> >pictures and paintings which were being manipulated >> >with software.This is the first time i slave the >> EDP >> >to my MPC1000 and i had to constantly trigger the >> >reAlign function to keep the loops synced,i didn´t >> do >> >any loop copy or auto record,just simply recorded >> to >> >the running grooves of the MPC and it still >> >happened.As a master the EDP works flawlesly >> though. >> >> Luis, >> >> The problem we are talking about here only relates >> to using AutoRecord with >> sync=in, and has the easy fix of using LoopCopy=time >> instead of AutoRecord. >> If you were not using AutoRecord, then I don't think >> you were having the >> same issue Per is talking about. There isn't any >> known issue with normal >> use of sync in from midi clock - that should work >> fine. You would have to >> give a better explanation of your problem/setup for >> us to help you. >> >> kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 01:23:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04C2E3BED8; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 01:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Op6URa4491ASNlsy4rHdbBnHXvxNJ+pECCGon1nD8Rp5th42a5x1xM2qxPw6BW5lZPtibbclVHiuFij5UpIZSVLDhrHIfWbjZh0R9+BPHh1M/2weupUmShX/XOQ5kpticmftjzrmR04FVW3mmR7FcJVXAlubCaK0wP9dYJIGMdo= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:23:42 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP_thump-noise In-Reply-To: <0C8E9148-5178-443C-8191-5FB743DB4320@mem.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0C8E9148-5178-443C-8191-5FB743DB4320@mem.li> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 01:23:44 +0000 (UTC) http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199911/msg00486.html ********************************************* This requires that you actually open up the unit, and have it opened with the power on. *Please follow appropriate electrical safety rules!!* If you are not careful and you fry yourself, please don't blame me! There's a trimpot on the PCB, near the left side, by the volume knobs. It's job is to trim a dc offset from a VCA. Sounds like your's is not set right for some reason, which would cause the thump you hear. To set it you need to run one of the built in diagnostic tests. The test basically turns the VCA on and off at about 60Hz, so if there is an offset you can hear the resulting tone in an amplifier. (or see it on a scope, whichever way you like.) While that's going, you adjust the trimmer until the tone/waveform reaches it's mimimum. To get into the trimmer test, Start the unit while holding the Parameter and Record buttons down. Keep them held while the startup screen goes by, until the display shows all t's. Then let go. Should say 7F. Press parameter so the "Keys" LED is lit, then press Insert to start the trimmer test. You should hear a ~60Hz tone in an amp. (turning input volume off, mix to "loop", and the output volume up helps.) The tone will change in level as you adjust the trimpot. Adjust to where the tone is at it's lowest level. (you'll still hear hashy noise sounds, but the 60Hz should become nearly inaudible.) After you set the trimmer, pressing parameter again will stop the test. Then you can turn the echoplex off and power back up normally. On 12/4/05, zurrigo wrote: > Hello all and "nice to be back on the list" after an eventful three > month including a y2k5-loop-festival-performance with my EDP on > strike and an upcoming CD release... > > ... I am having a hard time with my looper back in switzerland for > every time i push the record button or sometimes also the next loop > one, it gives me that "thump!" noise > > now i can remember having heard someone talk about this issue earlier > this year but i neither can remember who it was nor can i find it in > the archives > > so any hints are received most gratefully > > (CD orders are received gratefully, too - but i am afraid that pay > pal button on my website doesn't seem to be working yet and i imagine > no one here wants to give me any hints about how to deal with that > worst pal i've ever dealed with... > > ...anyway, check it out: http://www.mem.li/e/craft-paypal_e.html) > > thanx > > phil > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 02:21:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16DA43BEDC; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051204182112.04ffc528@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:22:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP_thump-noise In-Reply-To: References: <0C8E9148-5178-443C-8191-5FB743DB4320@mem.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:21:53 +0000 (UTC) the procedure changed slightly for LoopIV, there was an update posted a few months ago: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200509/msg00042.html kim At 05:23 PM 12/4/2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: >http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199911/msg00486.html > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 04:11:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B6023BED2; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents ARC and Aidan Baker/Neil Wiernik Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 23:18:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c5f952$e99b22e0$0e02a8c0@nec> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Originating-IP: [0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Jamie Todd has been working hard and has brought the PiNG archives up-to-date with beautiful collages of the many photos he's captured from all the past PiNG performances. Have look at the Events pages, beginning here: http://www.theambientping.com/events.html Like a gallery, it's worth visiting many times to take it all in. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor - Toronto (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday December 6th - ARC and Aidan Baker/Neil Wiernik Improvisational trio ARC get together for a show of experimental, ambient music: Aidan Baker creates multi-layered, heavily-effect guitar/woodwind/tapeloop soundscapes all overlaid with tribal-esque rhythms created by Richard Baker & Christopher Kukiel. ARC is celebrating the release of their album, "The Circle is Not Round," on A Silent Place, a sub-label of Italy's Small Voices Records. http://www.smallvoices.it http://fade.to/arc Aidan Baker on guitar & Neil Wiernik (aka Naw) on laptop will be opening with a set of digital vs analog ambience with the occasional forays into post-rock, techno, noise, & whatever else they see fit to explore. Aidan celebrates the release of his album "Remixes" on Toronto's Arcolepsy Records. The album features eleven international artists -- including Naw, Vidna Obmana, Building Castles Out of Matchsticks -- reworking his music. http://www.aidanbaker.org http://naw.phoniq.net Between Sets CD - "The Tired Sounds Of Stars Of The Lid" disc 1 Stars Of The Lid (Adam Wlitzle, Brian McBride) released this double-CD in 2001 - adding various string sounds to their guitar-based core and created a deep, dreamy, droney current of sounds. http://www.brainwashed.com/sotl/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday December 13th - Gnostic Rocket and Paydirt . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Remixes" by Aidan Baker + V/A The idea of remix albums has always fascinated me, in that it's an opportunity to find out how other people hear the music that I enjoy. When I listen to music I tend to pick it apart and listen to different things individually, sometimes focussing on a phrase or a melody or a note progression or whatever it is that makes the song interesting to me. But the glory of the remix album is that other people have done the same thing, focussed on the phrases, melodies, note progressions or whatever that make the song interesting to them. And in doing so, they create a whole new experience, bringing to fore things that I might never have noticed or paid attention to previously. I find that it's a great way to rediscover music. Given that I'm such a fan of Aidan Baker's work, I'm thrilled to have the chance to rediscover his music with the release of "Remixes", an inspired collection of work by some incredibly talented artists who all have a similar appreciation for Aidan's music as I do. Seamlessly blending and bleeding into one another, the tracks on this disc offer a view into what others hear when they listen to Aidan's work. The disc opens with Andrea Marutti's take on "Metamorphose, 2nd stage", a lovely revision of Aidan's track from "Metamorphose en sept etages". Marutti focuses on the rising and falling drone of the track, allowing lovely melodic elements to ebb and flow throughout. Millimetrik's Jazzy Mix take on "Interweaver" follows, adding a muffled drum beat to the track, a new place to focus your attentions during the looping phrases that make up the track. Anne Sulikowski of Building Castles Out of Matchsticks sprinkles some of her magic on "The Cicada Sings Our Love Song", bringing out a previously unnoticed level of wonder that brings a smile to my face. This is the first time I've heard these two artists collaborate in any way, and I gotta say that I'd love to hear more from the two of them, I think they could do some wonderful stuff together... Cordell Klier blends elements from two tracks to create "I've Been Waiting For You", an inspired pairing of songs that fully captures Aidan's sound. A brilliant homage. The Blameshifter takes a distinctly abstract approach to "Hands Making Hands", combining tracks from two of my favorite discs by Baker "Letters" and "Element". Choosing to emphasize the more harsh elements of the tracks and looping them in a distorted and decidedly dark way, the resultant track becomes a dark and horrific journey through twisted metallic landscapes and dark post-apocalyptic ruins. Very, very impressive. Neil Wiernik of Naw creates a beat driven/pulse oriented melange of tracks, something decidedly in the flavor of his own electronic abstract vein, but still retaining the spirit and personality of Aidan's work. Perhaps the only time I've ever found myself bouncing in my chair and tapping my foot while listening to a track by Aidan. Some of you may also be interested to know that my cat particularly liked this track as well, so you know it's gotta be good... Gruntsplatter takes a wide variety of tracks from across Baker's catalogue (including some from the dark metal side project Nadia) to create "Predatory Sediment", an outstanding new vision of Aidan's work. A collection of tones and phrases that sound vaguely familiar, but folded in new shapes and guises to make them fresh & revitalized, "Predatory Sediment" is a truly brilliant work. "Breaking Point" from Wilt adds a number of new elements to the mix, stripping everything down to it's most basic parts to get to the heart of Baker's track before it erupts in a wall of sound and noise. Wonderful work. Fear Falls Burning does a harrowing reworking of "Gossamer", a haunted drone based track punctuated by occasional guitar chords that pierce through the gloom. Dark and beautiful in all the best ways. Troum emphasize the tension and claustrophobia of "When You Scream", a foreboding piece of music that kinda scares me. Ghostly vocals and muffled feedback combine to make a truly uncomfortable piece of music that while making me rather nervous, certainly appeals to my appreciation of artistry. "Disfigured" by Pilotram closes the disc, a lovely droning piece that pulses with an oscillating metallic tone. Beautifully spacey. "Remixes" is very much a disc about discovery and exploration. Hearing so many different approaches, listening to what so many different people find in Aidan's work, I'm reminded of the depth of his music, the sheer wonder there is to be found in his songs. I'm also reminded of how much pleasure there can be in rediscovering the work of a favorite artist. Listening to "Remixes", I expect you'll feel the same way. *** New ping things feature! *** Fans of Toronto ambient project Sylken will be very interested to read an exclusive interview with Eric Hopper of Sylken in the featured section of the ping things site! Eric talks about creativity, inspiration, and the PiNG community in a revealing and fascinating interview. Read it at http://www.pingthings.com/SYLKENfeature.htm rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 08:37:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F52F3BECF; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018101c5f977$2ba2a130$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Looping Demonstration/Performance: Gavilan College, Wednesday, December Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:37:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC) I will be giving a live looping lecture/demonstration/performance at Gavilan College in Morgan Hill, California this coming Wednesday, December 7th at Noon in the multi media classrooms as a continuation of the long standing series NOH MUSIC for PEARL HARBOR. Bob, Richard Zvonar and I last did an electronic music performance like this 23 years ago.....................We will be dedicating our performance to Richard's memory. Bob will be doing video imagery while I perform as well. Rick Walker www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 10:52:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56B823BEE7; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAK+ok0OCKYNlAQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051205103503.02856ca0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:47:41 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest In-Reply-To: <20051204211927.C19883BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051204211927.C19883BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:52:06 +0000 (UTC) >was doing a lot of multiplying,inserting,replacing and >re-recording and it would stay synced for the most >part but after a while it would start drifting. hi Luis :-) if you want to reproduce the fault, I'd guess it's the re-record that may be where it happens. If you're resetting the EDP (longRec) remember the EDP will need a while to re-sync itself. Otherwise the record will be totally unsynced. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 11:05:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43A933BEFB; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051205110537229.37D8F1C003FF@mwinf0804.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <43941EFC.6080403@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:05:32 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Real-time category Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2PssrD.A.8NG.E8BlDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers, I just found this quote on the Loopers-Delight page where all the software loopers are listed: "PC/Mac software doesn't get to be in the real-time category, cause if it runs on MacOS or Windows, it can't honestly be called real-time! It can still be very powerful stuff, though...." I don't understand the quote, its obviously wrong, I do realtime looping since more than a decade with software running on various OSes, mostly OS X now. There must be a debate about it... I am sure I can setup my instrument faster than any looper with more than 2 hardware loop devices. And most hardware devices run software within their own OS. Hardware can even crash... (Kyma is listed as hardware, though its software, the accompanying hardware is called Capybara ;-) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 11:21:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2093F3BEFC; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vM54ZP9TyyiMF4fNKn1xyL1tIruspKVpnhSCnlj7OEYnR4k2L5mKiTiNNuz9Jcsx9M2AXurwKWo7oSkLs5e39gwBNZpxcuowM6x+tVoppv5BfRaDuovVVk3REw7JQlel9Xspu1Ns1npxidivgUoINf8kPJFWwvQjiKQJiiPnIK4= ; Message-ID: <20051205112124.25903.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 03:21:24 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re:Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051205103503.02856ca0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:21:26 +0000 (UTC) hey Andy! thanx,question when i do re-record and hit realign it is suppose to sync back,no? --- a k butler wrote: > > >was doing a lot of multiplying,inserting,replacing > and > >re-recording and it would stay synced for the most > >part but after a while it would start drifting. > > hi Luis :-) > > if you want to reproduce the fault, I'd guess it's > the re-record > that may be where it happens. > If you're resetting the EDP (longRec) remember the > EDP will need > a while to re-sync itself. Otherwise the record will > be totally unsynced. > > andy butler > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 11:41:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 004843BF10; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1133782874!22267222!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8B7E@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Pedal to turn hardware knobs... Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:41:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5F990.CC7BF610" Resent-Message-ID: <6Gi8xD.A.m6G.ddClDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:41:17 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F990.CC7BF610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php<< I like this..... I think I'd be inclined to have several of them- perhaps all attached to different knobs on the same pedal. it would look like an alien abduction dissection operation sort of thing. one could attach things to the push-rods, assuming that they aren't sheathed somehow, so that the audience could observe their rotation..... duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F990.CC7BF610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Pedal to turn hardware knobs...

>>http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php<= <

I like this..... I think I'd be inclined to have = several of them- perhaps all attached to different knobs on the same = pedal. it would look like an alien abduction dissection operation sort = of thing. one could attach things to the push-rods, assuming that they = aren't sheathed somehow, so that the audience could observe their = rotation.....

duncan.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F990.CC7BF610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 13:34:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ABD03BEFC; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1133789677!33753207!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8B81@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: E-H 16sec Reissue Update Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:34:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5F9A0.A2F6E420" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:34:41 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F9A0.A2F6E420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" where is ron the EH man now? still lurking? :-) I am in the UK & would love to hear about getting this firmware upgrade, even if I have to change out the chip myself. duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F9A0.A2F6E420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: E-H 16sec Reissue Update

where is ron the EH man now? still lurking? = :-)

I am in the UK & would love to hear about getting = this firmware upgrade, even if I have to change out the chip = myself.

duncan.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F9A0.A2F6E420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 13:44:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F4293BF0B; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4bea46dc7af6d1659a0bd8792111f734@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: native instruments guitar rig loop machine Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:44:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:44:39 +0000 (UTC) http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=gr2videospots_us Bottom of page video demo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 14:58:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C49A73BEEC; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CABvik0OCKYNmAQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051205145019.02843470@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:55:07 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re:Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest In-Reply-To: <20051205133441.EF3353BF0A@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051205133441.EF3353BF0A@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:58:04 +0000 (UTC) >hey Andy! >thanx,question when i do re-record and hit realign it >is suppose to sync back,no? if you recorded unsynced the loop will be the wrong length, so it'd go out of sync again. To stay in sync 1) just hit rec during play and start playing or 2) do a reset (longRec), and wait for sync or 3) hit Mute, then just hit record whenever you want andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 15:13:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B03773BF0E; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P27btoiXFLCMb/lBRTGniQWBWMzywYSnypkRIFqi8ZRuyAVLj4Dn8jHjBexwJ3RPPVQ4/5NMO4ArWNSF/+CFXh1u87wDVZpSCjFxA9fcPCrpE2EOaq5iKob1S9v8HmC9nuFs5sa8o53a57dkFvPhSHXQB3jrqWGB5Yur1rfa2no= Message-ID: <588ce11d0512050713k37a443e9reb96a7be95eaa94d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:13:05 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: native instruments guitar rig loop machine In-Reply-To: <4bea46dc7af6d1659a0bd8792111f734@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4bea46dc7af6d1659a0bd8792111f734@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Pretty cool, but I didn't notice a feedback knob, which is unfortunate. On 12/5/05, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=3Dgr2videospots_us > > Bottom of page video demo > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 15:49:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0594B3BF13; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:49:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Sooperlooper question. From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Sooperlooper question. Thread-Index: AcX5s3i8tx2buGWmEdqt3AAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <59D8F911-CF47-4E3B-9BF4-589B01EA0AAA@boysen.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Okay, per, I give up... How do you end up solving the midi routing to the different loops... By programming 3 banks of the footpedal? Or have you se= t up midi routing tracks and turn them on and off some other way? I'm having a great time with this, and FINALLY, my sync needs are fulfilled= , although I'm using a whole lot of cpu power... Thanks, Todd...=20 On 12/4/05 3:13 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On Dec 4, 2005, at 20:43, todd reynolds wrote: >=20 >> I=B9m having a wonderful time watching how sooperlooper so neatly >> integrates into ableton live, but am stuck on the midi routing. I >> thought that it would simply show up somewhere, whether in >> preferences or in the midi routing pull down. >> After consulting the docs, I downloaded midi patchbay, but don=B9t >> see it there either... >=20 > I'm not sure I correctly understand what you are asking for, but > anyway, here's the trick to route MIDI into SL and the SL loops > output to different Ableton Live 5 tracks: >=20 > SL-au has to be opened on a MIDI track in Live. Not on an audio track. > This is how I set up a three loops SL rig in Live: >=20 > 1. Open SooperLooper AU plug-in on a MIDI track. > 2. Name this MIDI track "SL input". > 3. Turn down the volume for this MIDI track (but keep the Monitor set > to "In") > 4. Create three Audio tracks and set them all to "Audio From =3D Ext in > 1/2" > 5. Outputs for those three Audio tracks should be: > a) SL input, 3/4-SooperLooperAU > b) SL input, 5/6-SooperLooperAU > c) SL input, 7/8-SooperLooperAU >=20 > Now you have created three separate audio inputs to clone and > distribute our live input into the three SL loops on the MIDI Track > "SL input". Time to make the output routings: >=20 > 6. Create three Audio tracks and name them SL1, SL2 and SL3 . > 7. Set audio inputs like this: > a) SL1: Audio From =3D SL Input, 3/4-SooperLooperAU > b) SL2: Audio From =3D SL input, 5/6-SooperLooperAU > c) SL3: Audio From =3D SL input, 7/8-SooperLooperAU >=20 > Make sure all seven tracks have the Monitor selector set to "In". >=20 > MIDI control data should be sent to the Live MIDI channel/track that > is hosting the SL-au plug-in. You can do those settings in Live's > MIDI Preferences window. Route your MIDI input where you have > connected your MIDI controller to "Input/Remote" by ticking the "off" > button for that routing so it goes "On" instead. In general, the MIDI/ > Sync preferences page is like a MIDI patch bay: you have the three > functions Track, Sync and Remote for both Input and Output. Set them > all up as you want the data to flow! If you also activate the system > built-in IAC Driver bus you can use that one to send midi from one > track's MIDI clips into plug-ins on a different track. That's very > fun to play with ;-) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 15:53:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B8C83BED8; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Lv44MGO2+Xh9ZtEymzdH/DJtrWIldnp0/RL0HFzkt2z+zS1LzdgnmWHiHPPpnXqGjSso8FWsL5iqioaXHe5R3xeugKbTL8u1RArXsa8kmzkzwBxSN1VU4eHa8j37TxnolP4A4rUBNUUBWRLjLE5XE9AacokAVYZYxnzwHlk9CBM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:53:00 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sooperlooper question. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <59D8F911-CF47-4E3B-9BF4-589B01EA0AAA@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Not Per here, but when I'd used multiple loops in sooperlooper I did program dedicated switches for each loop. I believe the designer may be working on an option to switch the active loop from the keyboard so the MIDI commands are then applied to the active loop. TravisH On 12/5/05, todd reynolds wrote: > Okay, per, I give up... How do you end up solving the midi routing to the > different loops... By programming 3 banks of the footpedal? Or have you = set > up midi routing tracks and turn them on and off some other way? > > I'm having a great time with this, and FINALLY, my sync needs are fulfill= ed, > although I'm using a whole lot of cpu power... > > Thanks, > > Todd... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 15:54:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05F673BF21; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051126000226.09db5280@loopers-delight.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051126000226.09db5280@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:54:49 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: [NEW RELEASE] Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I added 45sec mp3 preview each songs for LD Compilation Volume 3. please visit below: http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3 p.s. also please visit to our online shop below in your free time.... http://shop.cavestudio.org p.s.p.s. Thank you for your good comments, Kim..! thanks Sunao At 0:09 AM -0800 05.11.26, Kim Flint wrote: >At 06:54 AM 11/23/2005, Sunao Inami wrote: >>Hi LD list, >> >>A new release information. >>Finally, Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 will release on 1st >>December 2005. > >I'm really thrilled to see this project come together. I can't wait >to hear it! The list of artists on this volume is really exciting. >It represents a nice cross section of the different artists and >personalities who make Looper's Delight a great community. > >It has been a while since the last Looper's Delight Compilation CD >was made. Thanks a lot Sunao, for your excellent effort organizing >Volume 3! Producing this type of CD is a difficult job. I (and I'm >sure everybody else here) really appreciate your efforts. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 16:03:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E55DD3BF2B; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5F9B5.8A84C622" Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:04:15 -0500 Message-ID: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: test Thread-Index: AcX5tYnYmHox6WVoEdqiLQAQSykl/g== From: "Brian" To: Resent-Message-ID: <2L63XB.A.8GH.KTGlDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:03:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F9B5.8A84C622 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 test =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F9B5.8A84C622 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F9B5.8A84C622-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 16:21:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D802C3BF35; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HpReSGQL+g5Kwt6fiNWCXSxY+sohYeVWS7S53sG7frFyTXZ55Vz59+9g2NFuJg+k4cOWuVH93bFqBUtCbjYFzHmNUGfiyfZRtR3O7TqspMTv7F0+mJOR/Zg1EeckThGoDJM8KEko/ca0eHjUQme7zAJPNQhBcDwf7CU5uicDA/A= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:21:50 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sooperlooper question. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <59D8F911-CF47-4E3B-9BF4-589B01EA0AAA@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Yes, a planned feature is to support a notion of active loop and allow midi bindings to switch the active loop, and allow normal command/control bindings to operate on the active loop (instead of a specific loop #). Per's setup technique has 3 loop instances within a single SL plugin (multichannel). There is still only one MIDI path into the plugin so you'll need to make unique MIDI bindings (using the SL gui) for each loop. Feel free to join the SL mailing list to discuss this further: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sooperlooper-users jlc On 12/5/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Not Per here, but when I'd used multiple loops in sooperlooper I did > program dedicated switches for each loop. I believe the designer may > be working on an option to switch the active loop from the keyboard so > the MIDI commands are then applied to the active loop. > > TravisH > > On 12/5/05, todd reynolds wrote: > > Okay, per, I give up... How do you end up solving the midi routing to t= he > > different loops... By programming 3 banks of the footpedal? Or have yo= u set > > up midi routing tracks and turn them on and off some other way? > > > > I'm having a great time with this, and FINALLY, my sync needs are fulfi= lled, > > although I'm using a whole lot of cpu power... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 17:08:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF1243BF21; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BJ2jG+gd5pbn1fatc4QYbWfcVFMzC8p+qNVGaLzvwYJ5YY07Vy2zG4/lfToZeCptANoq6DYzQzjv6nBBcBVIOo1KcQiIY+BA2D9LTCFDBVUr8IncCsruViwuUZ+8QXEhRteHZzKBrTEqxLsedD7YGCE/MoDdGAgvWMByZQbUds4= ; Message-ID: <20051205170816.62490.qmail@web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:08:16 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: old skool dude kicked into 21st century: listened to downloaded music...(ted/grob/andre) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1195231137-1133802496=:59678" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:08:18 +0000 (UTC) --0-1195231137-1133802496=:59678 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well, i was at a friends the other day and decided to try the downloading music thing and was actually able to download and burn it to a disc (i felt so proud of myself)....since we don't have a computer and i doubt i'll own an ipod or similar, it seemed like a step for me.... listened to: ted killians live set from the y2k5 santa cruz loop fest (ted it was great to hear you live-recorded live at least- and thanks to kripsen h. for recording the set(s) and making them available. i may try to listen to other stuff if/when i have time. listend to some snippets of m. grobs stuff (very enjoyable!) and some snippets of andre lafosse's stuff he has on his web page-interesting to hear the early developments of his work before the 'normalized' cd of stuff... thought i'd share.... other note: a week or so i thought michael k (nemoguitar) said that he wasn't recording as of late, i can relate in a way, seems like all my recording equipment broke down....so it was 3-4 weeks before i got stuff up and running, and will say that when i started recording again a week ago, felt like i'd lost all my looping chops,etc...definately was in a different mindset when i wasn't recording and just playing etc...... also still debating my setup of minimal vs maximal--the never ending debate.... end of my overshare for the day.... s--- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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well, i was at a friends the other day and decided to try the
downloading music thing and was actually able to download and
burn it to a disc (i felt so proud of myself)....since we don't have a computer
and i doubt i'll own an ipod or similar, it seemed like a step for me....
 
listened to:
ted killians live set from the y2k5 santa cruz loop fest (ted it was great to
hear you live-recorded live at least- and thanks to kripsen h. for recording the
set(s) and making them available. i may try to listen to other stuff if/when i have
time.
listend to some snippets of m. grobs stuff (very enjoyable!)
and some snippets of andre lafosse's stuff he has on his web page-interesting to hear the early developments of his work before the 'normalized' cd of stuff...
thought i'd share....
other note:
a week or so i thought michael k (nemoguitar) said that he wasn't recording as of late, i can relate in a way, seems like all my recording equipment broke down....so it was 3-4 weeks before i got stuff up and running, and will say that when i started recording again a week ago, felt like i'd lost all my looping chops,etc...definately was in a different mindset when i wasn't recording and just playing etc......
also still debating my setup of minimal vs maximal--the never ending debate....
end of my overshare for the day....
s---

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1195231137-1133802496=:59678-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 17:28:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93B613BF19; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:24:13 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Info on eh16 second upgrade Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Just got off the phone with EH in NYC. here's the scoop on the upgrade to the EH16 second delay they are offering. It is a software upgrade (which is why they need to do it in house - it's not via midi or a chip). It gives you the ability to turn off the count in entirely when you slide the coarse slider all the way to the top at >32. This also now allows you to step on record to start the loop and step on Play to stop it manuall. The loop will automatically loop when you do that. If you want to have the count it simply turn the coarse liser to anything but the top >32 mode and it's back. Now the only catch is the Fine slider STILL is the internal clock and this is spitting out midi sync at the clock to the pedal NOT the Start/Stop you manally stomp in in this new mode. So you cannot use it like a jamman setting both the loop and syncing it to spit out midi clock at your tempo. I suppose the idea is you use the click (or a metronome/beat on your midi box) to know what the tempo is and then you can start/stop from there manually. It's not perfect for sloppy/crazy imrpoov players (ie: like me :))) but eliminating the count in and letting you manually start stop is FAR better than the original feature where you HAD to wait and then sync with the box. The upgrade also adds true two octave pitch shifting so if you leave the slider in the middle position you cann now slide one ocatve UP and one Down. THAT is very cool. Cost is $35 in the US including return shipping. They said they are just getting the word out and haven't done many but they expect they will only keep them there a day or two so turnaround is reasonable with any delay being from the travel time during the holiday season. You don't need an RMA# just send it to New Seson in Long Island "attn" 16 second updage" I'm sending mine in this week. Will keep everyone posted. Really looking forward to taking control of my loop destiny. THANKS to the list members who posted this! D_ ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 17:32:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A262B3BF23; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0512050713k37a443e9reb96a7be95eaa94d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4bea46dc7af6d1659a0bd8792111f734@mac.com> <588ce11d0512050713k37a443e9reb96a7be95eaa94d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <992450c340ee6d286fac50aef2b487c1@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: native instruments guitar rig loop machine Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:32:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:32:26 +0000 (UTC) I downloaded the demo version for Mac. Looper has no feedback/ fade control. Not sure what limits are as far as loop length are (RAM dependent?) but had no problem with 16 sec. and 6 layers on my iBook G4 (800 MHz/ 640MB). Tried maxing out a delay effect and found max delay time of 1600 ms. and that feedback when set to 100% - which should have "looped" - delays still faded. As far as the other stuff it does, and this is only preliminary, and based on using a USB audio interface (still have to test with my MOTU firewire interface) there is some latency and most amp models are noisy-not related to interface. On Dec 5, 2005, at 8:13 AM, Art Simon wrote: > Pretty cool, but I didn't notice a feedback knob, which is unfortunate. > > On 12/5/05, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: >> http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=gr2videospots_us >> >> Bottom of page video demo >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 17:51:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E0023BF17; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Real-time category Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:53:00 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c5f9c4$bc9a9240$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <43941EFC.6080403@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: <0nYOHD.A.duC.s4HlDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, but most hardware devices (take e.g. an EDP or a Repeater) run some kind of RTOS, which PCs and Macs do (normally) not. Not sure about Kyma though; I'm not familiar with this... -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 5. Dezember 2005 12:06 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Real-time category Hi Loopers, I just found this quote on the Loopers-Delight page where all the=20 software loopers are listed: "PC/Mac software doesn't get to be in the real-time category, cause if=20 it runs on MacOS or Windows, it can't honestly be called real-time! It=20 can still be very powerful stuff, though...." I don't understand the quote, its obviously wrong, I do realtime looping since more than a decade with software running on various OSes, mostly=20 OS X now. There must be a debate about it... I am sure I can setup my instrument faster than any looper with more=20 than 2 hardware loop devices. And most hardware devices run software=20 within their own OS. Hardware can even crash... (Kyma is listed as hardware, though its software, the accompanying=20 hardware is called Capybara ;-) Stefan --=20 [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 18:06:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D0BE3BF37; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Y77trHdRpVBfN3nmlDwfa7bcGtxG45k+KjOmRMso2XrWgm5Pq0APTelsMXG+fzcvQwwLidsZq0iir86xvKA8fqfHCu9nMx0hCAm7hvWgiJfd7es5U169KdfKjADtQXaOSXCVVla+PkdrcBJb9U8u1SioeTDp0E0XLOMt0vRVvEo= ; Message-ID: <20051205180559.85124.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:05:59 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re:Re:Re: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051205145019.02843470@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:06:02 +0000 (UTC) got it thanx! cheers Luis --- a k butler wrote: > > >hey Andy! > >thanx,question when i do re-record and hit realign > it > >is suppose to sync back,no? > > if you recorded unsynced the loop will be the wrong > length, > so it'd go out of sync again. > > To stay in sync > 1) just hit rec during play and start playing > or > 2) do a reset (longRec), and wait for sync > or > 3) hit Mute, then just hit record whenever you want > > andy > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 18:30:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 992263BF19; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:30:22 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: <43941EFC.6080403@addcom.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4394873E.1020101@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <43941EFC.6080403@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: <66n_AC.A.9_D.BdIlDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:30:25 +0000 (UTC) > "PC/Mac software doesn't get to be in the real-time category, cause if > it runs on MacOS or Windows, it can't honestly be called real-time! It > can still be very powerful stuff, though...." > > I don't understand the quote, its obviously wrong, I do realtime > looping since more than a decade with software running on various > OSes, mostly OS X now. There must be a debate about it... Hmm no, there has never been a "hardware" vs. "software" debate here :-) In operating systems, the term "real time" means that it follows some very strict rules, home computer operating systems are not technically real-time. Exactly what real-time means is complicated, but basically the OS is designed guarantee that certain operations such as servicing an audio or MIDI interrupt happen within a small and consistent period of time. It is certainly debatable whether this distinction is important in modern PC operating systems. There are techniques that can be used to partially solve the problems and many people find them acceptable. For all practical purposes "buffering" solves the problem of inconsistent servicing of audio interrupts but buffering adds "latency" which will be much higher on a PC OS than a real-time OS. Some people cannot tolerate this higher latency, others can. Buffering can't solve everything, if you are running an audio application at the same time as you are defragmenting your hard disk or playing Half-Life then you will have "glitches" no matter how large the buffer is. But these situations can usually be avoided during a performance. To me there isn't really a debate. Both dedicated hardware and general purpose computers have strengths and weaknesses. It is a personal choice which strengths you prefer and which weaknesses you are willing to accept. Unlike politics, neither side is necessarily "right" :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 19:11:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECDC73BF28; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YMfE4K3H1dNuLSiJTFo1xihHv+gdlCn6IpLX/49U2x8gqgt7y/ZaHKktXEl0zRbSHVxoMOjF33hkR3DDCegw+LBiO2/Gr1leTLvnqLewgq/VzoQjx8/uXSGEM2xS2Y7NFBi9/hTt0SvPaDoEIdiQA4voazTsvZIWxoYa4jP8CHw= ; Message-ID: <20051205191150.24671.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:11:50 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: native instruments guitar rig loop machine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0512050713k37a443e9reb96a7be95eaa94d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, that's always a deal breaker for me too. Also, upon looking at this feature it seems extreamly similar to the POLAR module in MOTU's Digital Performer... (my software sequencer/recorder) again, kind of cool but lacking the one feature that would make it a usable looper for me. As much as software loopers (I like Augustus loop for the Mac) can be useful and fun, I still do the majority of looping with the Repeater. Mark --- Art Simon wrote: > Pretty cool, but I didn't notice a feedback knob, > which is unfortunate. > > On 12/5/05, Paul Mimlitsch > wrote: > > > http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=gr2videospots_us > > > > Bottom of page video demo > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 20:56:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED4E43BEB6; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:56:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FnGGfDe1B6r+T74krfUxSK9H8VYLhG0UYQLjGRaUqnhjRE+xWUr1UXkVpcw8ED7gSc1u4vmRYkohz561uL2NJj0muzcxQ6SY4sHwSf78KchRE+Jb298GeFSehm7lhvwVLGg1/q4XS9XeMnzASD5l2aw2h0pRVwxzjvwdvBBEQwM= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512051256y75757e46o4af73a9d464eebc8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:56:24 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-H 16sec Reissue Update In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8B81@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8B81@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:56:25 +0000 (UTC) On 12/5/05, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > where is ron the EH man now? still lurking? :-) > > I am in the UK & would love to hear about getting this firmware upgrade, > even if I have to change out the chip myself. I've had a couple of email exchanges with EHX on this subject and at the moment they're *adamant* that it has to go back to them in the US. I emailed the UK retailer where I bought mine in March of this year http://www.stringbusters.com/ and asked if they could help (I had in mind that they might collect a few from their customers and send them back in one shipment) but they didn't even bother to reply (so that's one on-line outlet I won't be troubling with my money again). My current plan is to take up a friend's offer to take it to New Sensor when he travels to NYC in February. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 21:06:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17E7B3BEEC; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:02:21 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-H 16sec Reissue Update In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80512051256y75757e46o4af73a9d464eebc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:06:28 +0000 (UTC) > > where is ron the EH man now? still lurking? :-) FWIW I wrote Ron asking about the upgrade last week. He wrote me right back saying he'd find out and sent me an email the next day with all the details. > > I am in the UK & would love to hear about getting this firmware upgrade, > > even if I have to change out the chip myself. Alas it's not a chip, it's a software upgrade. Even some EH reps are calling it a "firmware upgrade" but apparenlty that's not true. (according to the engineer who is training the other techs on the upgrade anyway). > I've had a couple of email exchanges with EHX on this subject and at > the moment they're *adamant* that it has to go back to them in the US. Yes. Unfortunaltey it makes sense since it's not soldering or poping something in. Still I suppose they could have a Europeon repair site but I don't think they're that big of a company in the first place. I'm just happy they responded to criticisms and are offering the updrage period. > My current plan is to take up a friend's offer to take it to New > Sensor when he travels to NYC in February. Not a bad plan. They did say it only takes a few days to do the upgrade and they might make an exepction to that if you write and ask in advance. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 22:03:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C92DE3BEDB; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <23f.2ef8d95.30c6132c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:03:24 EST Subject: Re: old skool dude kicked into 21st century: listened to downloaded music...(ted/grob/andre) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_23f.2ef8d95.30c6132c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:03:27 +0000 (UTC) --part1_23f.2ef8d95.30c6132c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aw shucks, In a message dated 12/5/05 9:08:53 AM, evanpeewee@yahoo.com writes: > listened to: ted killians live set from the y2k5 santa cruz loop fest >=20 There are some really terrific sets by other people in there too.=20 Please don't stop with mine. Figure out a way to download some=20 more the whole show is well worth your time. My set was absolutely the least of it. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_23f.2ef8d95.30c6132c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aw shucks,

In a message dated 12/5/05 9:08:53 AM, evanpeewee@yahoo.com writes:

listened to: ted kill= ians live set from the y2k5 santa cruz loop fest

There are some really terrific sets by other people in there too.
Please don't stop with mine.  Figure out a way to download some
more the whole show is well worth your time. My set was absolutely
the least of it.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_23f.2ef8d95.30c6132c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 22:36:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24D303BEE0; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: LARSONBGLACIER@aol.com Message-ID: <1ab.44e65447.30c61af0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:36:32 EST Subject: unsubscribe To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ab.44e65447.30c61af0_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6811 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:36:37 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1ab.44e65447.30c61af0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --part1_1ab.44e65447.30c61af0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe --part1_1ab.44e65447.30c61af0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 5 22:56:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0652E3BEF4; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rFZMOakUP3Hb5+kaDtzTzmATQGby1zWsPh9CE8VugfhwDKnCqnQWW++Y8amz71gFRKQiNVTLxySHgp5aQgaJ8b+aE9Gp5NKjAPzquGtgJUjF97py7PXbYTDor2vZ3rnQqMwLX4rlQuVrquc5yoT29ltBRVXWVWnp/e3Ji7rqlXs= Message-ID: <64b81a780512051456w17fdfa5ex46af61448460567c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:56:41 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: help..advice ...epd and sampler In-Reply-To: <34C5C5AB-B1E9-4466-BE82-67FF3868A2FB@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <8C7C65E06214EC2-1B54-20CB6@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> <34C5C5AB-B1E9-4466-BE82-67FF3868A2FB@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:56:43 +0000 (UTC) On 12/3/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On Dec 3, 2005, at 21:19, enat21213@aol.com wrote: > > > i'm looking to get into playing with backing tracks live....what's > > a good hardware device (sampler) that will hold multiple songs > > around 3-4-5 minutes. > > Why not get a cheap DAT recorder or mini disc? I mean if it's static > backing tracks that would be totally fool proof. I've been touring > with backing tracks on CD and DAT (2 tr stereo as well as 8 tr ADAT) > and with CD you really have to get a "DJ safe" CD player. You can not > rely on the venues to have that. Problems with some CD players is > that bass frequencies at loud levels make the backing track stutter. > That's why we always used DAT for backing tracks. > > As "backing track sampler" I guess any hard drive based recorder > would do fine. > Seems like an mp3 player would work too. You could even set up a playlist in your iPod (everyone has an iPod now, right?) and zip right through your set list. Just a thought. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 03:36:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AACE3BECC; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008d01c5fa16$4a4c0e10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: DVD audio versus CD audio Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:36:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Interesting webpage I discovered on the audible differences between CD and DVD recordings at higher resolutions. It was written a while back but I think it is pertinent for all of our recordings: High resolution digital audio -- can you tell the difference? by Stephen Dawson Ever since the compact disc was introduced in the early 1980s, it has been subject to criticism from many quarters, mainly for alleged inadequate resolution. By that I mean that the sampling frequency of 44.1kHz has been accused of both restricting the frequency response of music (it can't go much above 20kHz without the introduction of digital artifacts) and necessitating a difficult to implement steep filter which could, potentially, have audible effects. Likewise, the 16 bits of resolution (providing samples of up to 65,536 voltage steps) has been accused of introducing a 'graininess' to CD music, as though one can hear the steps. (These steps, incidentally amount to 0.0003dB at high modulations, and around -60dB come to 0.27dB.) To be fair to the CD format, it was pushing the limits of the technology available at its introduction. The maker of one of the first two CD players released effectively recognised this by limiting it to only the most significant 14 bits of resolution! Since then, a number of strategies have been employed to overcome these problems, including oversampling (using a higher sampling frequency and then mathematically deriving the signal levels for the newly invented samples from the adjacent ones) which allows a gentler filter to be used at the top end, although it adds nothing to the actual resolution. DVD finally promises, though, to break through the CD format's bottle neck. It provides sufficient capacity to hold a full CD worth and more of music at a 96kHz sampling rate and 24 bits resolution (which requires around 3.3 times more data than the CD standard). The 96kHz sampling rate means that a rather more leisurely acting filter can be applied, well clear of 20kHz. A resolution of 24 bits means that for each sample step of a CD, there are 256 steps on the DVD. So, even at -60dB, a sample step means a jump of just 0.001dB, and it's not worth counting up the decimal places to calculate the step at 0dB. The question is: is this difference audible? Comparability One of the problems with comparing formats has been the difficulty of finding comparable sources. LP was clearly LP, and not comparable to CD, if only because of surface noise. But even without such give-aways direct comparisons would be impossible. After all, how much difference in sound is due to a difference in between the frequency response characteristics of the cartridge and phono preamplifier (with its RIAA equalisation) and the CD player? Even a brand new well-pressed LP has around one per cent distortion created during manufacture. Direct comparisons are impossible. For this DVD vs CD test, though, direct comparisons are indeed possible subject to certain conditions being met. The first is that the only difference between the two formats is no more than that the formats are actually different. I selected the recording Ink by Livingston Taylor from the US audiophile label, Chesky (CD version; DVD version apparently no longer available). I questioned the record company about the comparability of the two formats. The original recording was made in 96/24 format, live to a two track digital recorder. Near minimalist recording techniques were used, with a stereo tube microphone used for most of the music, a single tube microphone used for Taylor's vocals, and some additional spot microphones. A valve mixing console was used to combine the signals for the two track. The DVD is a direct copy of this original two track. The CD was created by digitally down-sampling to 44.1/16. There was no limiting, compression or any other processing used, nor any changes in the transfer to CD other than the down-sampling. The next step in a comparison is to ensure that the equipment used is not imposing its own characteristics on the sound quality. One way to do this is to use just one player, swapping discs. I have found this method very unsatisfactory unless the audible differences are quite marked. For this reason I chose to conduct A/B testing by using two players, roughly synchronising playback from both sources, and then switching between the two. But this brings in the possibility of the different players stamping their marks on the sound. To reduce this as much as possible, I used two DVD players: a Philips DVD725 ($1,099) for the CD and a Pioneer DV-717 ($1,499) for the DVD. Both use dual lasers, so the laser wavelength was appropriate to the medium in both cases. In both cases, to avoid any subtle differences created by the players' analogue circuitry, I used them simply as transports, feeding their digital output primarily by electrical digital connections to a home theatre amplifier. The amplifier I selected is one that is difficult to beat: the Denon AVC-A1D home theatre amplifier ($5,999). This uses separate high quality 96/24 DACs for each of its five channels (I only used two, of course) and was perfectly happy decoding the PCM output from both the CD and DVD. I should add that the Denon is kind to CDs. It uses some processing (for the front stereo channels) which Denon calls AL24. In essence, this takes the 16 bit CD data and calculates intermediate steps to generate a bit depth of 24 bits. This lowers the height of the steps between CD samples, of course, but the since the intermediate information is calculated from what precedes and follows, it cannot fully emulate the resolution available on DVD. Nevertheless it does a good job and the processing, along with its Alpha predecessor, is well regarded. The reason for using one amplifier was to ensure that all analogue paths were identical for both formats, and in the hope that with digital feeds, the analogue output would be identical. Measurements To confirm this, and to confirm that the DVD and CD are as close to identical as Chesky advises, I recorded the first track from both discs ('Isn't She Lovely') onto my computer. I used the left and right preamplifier outputs from the Denon amplifier for the signal (the Denon wouldn't deliver to its tape outputs an analogue version of a digital input) and left the volume control on the same setting for both recordings. I recorded onto my computer at its maximum capacity (48kHz and 16 bits, slightly better than the CD standard) and was able to analyse and compare the outputs from the Denon for the two media. Any changes performed by Chesky during the down-sampling to CD standard would apparent from just a little examination of the wave forms and some basic analysis. In particular, any compression would show up as a smaller difference between the average output levels and the peaks. The wave forms superficially looked very similar. So similar as to obviate the possibility of any remixing. And what I shall call the peak range (that is, the difference between the average sound level and the highest peak) soon demonstrates whether there was any compression. There was not. In fact the decibel differences between the highest sample value and the average was identical for the two formats on the right channel and out by 0.01dB on the other (an insignificant amount likely to be caused by variations between the places on the peak curves the samples of each happen to fall). Likewise, the range between the overall average and the maximum RMS level, using a 100ms measuring window, was identical for both channels. In the absence of any marked audible difference in the mix, I am satisfied that the music is identical on the two formats, other than any effects resulting from the different sampling rates and bit depth. I should also note that the analogue output levels for the two media from the Denon amplifier were no more than 0.11dB apart from each other. For listening tests, the outputs should be identical. Conventional wisdom suggests that a difference of less than one decibel is largely inaudible. This is largely correct if one is asked to say which signal is the loudest. However smaller discrepancies can produce a subjective effect of making the louder signal sound 'better'. I was not equipped to adjust the signals by such a small amount, unfortunately. However as it turns out, it was the CD which was a touch louder than the DVD, so any bias caused by the slightly different levels should be in favour of the CD. Also, over the four and a half minutes of the song, the CD came in at 0.003 seconds longer. This is most likely due to slight differences between the clocking crystals of the two players and at 0.001% is totally inaudible. The other reason for copying the analogue outputs to my computer was to see if there was any measurable difference between the two media. I was somewhat surprised to see that there were. My surprise was due to the basic inadequacy of using my computer as the test instrument. It tends to suffer from fairly high noise levels in the sound card and I was, after all, using little better than a CD standard digitisation process. The main differences concerned low level noise and high frequency performance. While the gap between the average level and the RMS maximum and peak levels were consistent between the two, the gaps between the average and the minimum RMS levels were not. Indeed, the DVD scored a 1.08dB greater range than the CD on the both channels. This reflects the lower noise levels on the DVD format. Had my computer lower noise levels itself, this difference would have been greater, reflecting the ability, with the greater bit depth, of abandoning dither noise, or at least reducing its level considerably. More interesting was to analyse the frequency spectrum from both signal sources. These were for all purposes identical from the bottom up to around 17,000 hertz. The DVD's trace (Fig 1) for this track then continued on its gentle decline (almost all music exhibits an average output level falling by around 9dB per octave from 100 or 200 hertz to the limits of the upper frequency response, which is why tweeters can get by with such small voice coils), steepening a little after 22,500 hertz (most likely due to my sound card). However, the CD version (Fig 2) showed an actual increase in high frequency output, reaching a 4dB boost by 21,000 hertz, and a rapid fall-off beyond that point. Okay, the drop above 21,000 hertz can be expected for CD with its much lower sampling frequency, but what about the rise? I speculate that this is the result of dither noise in the CD, designed to mask quantisation noise in low level signals. Zooming in closely on a low level wave, such as the fade out section of the track, shows something else of interest. The CD version (Fig 3) shows much wilder variation than the DVD (Fig 4) in the wave form, oscillating above and below the basic trend of the wave quite markedly. Admittedly the extent of the oscillations are around 25 quantisation steps out of the 65,000+ the CD format offers, but it would suggest the masking of low level information. It is likely to be these oscillations that show up in the high frequency boost in the spectrum analysis. Well, enough of that. How did the DVD sound compared with the CD? Listening First, my preconceptions: I was inclined to think that there would be no audible differences between the two media. For me at least. On the other hand, I earnestly hoped that I would hear some difference between the media. Failing to do so tends to put one's credibility as a writer on such matters on the line. So to the extent that our subjective impressions are influenced by our expectations and hopes, I think I was fairly balanced. I set myself up in my office after midnight, lights switched off, computer off, no traffic around and listened. The first thing to note is that whether CD or DVD, this album is magnificently recorded. Indeed, so well recorded that it somewhat paradoxically exposed a problem with the recording technique. The use of a stereo microphone for the band has produced, in both formats, an incredibly well delineated and detailed sound, with the backing vocalists on 'First Time Love', although standing close to each other a little left of centre, being clearly separated from each other. I can't emphasise enough the naturalism of this recording. Except ... the vocals were recorded with a separate microphone (allowing Mr Taylor's vocals to be more forward than the band) and are poured in apparently identical amounts into the left and right channels. Aside from the prominence of his voice over the band, this had an occasional odd result, due to the very magnificence of the band recording. On 'Hallelujah, I Love Her So', the brushes are tangible, almost to the point of each strand of the brush striking the drum being individually discernible. The only problem is that this is offset from centre by just a tiny distance to the left. In the meantime, Mr Taylor's voice is right at centre. The aural result is that the voice sounds as though it's coming from just a little above the line drawn between the speakers, while the brushes sound like they're coming from the front of the singer's chin. I suspect that Mr Taylor was not standing in front of the drum kit during the recording, so while the geometry of the sound delivery makes it sound as though he is, the absence of bodily muffling of the kit denies this. This leads me into DVD vs CD. I cannot confidently say that there are no differences in the sound delivery of the two media. But I can insist that anyone who uses language of the 'chalk and cheese' variety is fooling him or herself. The differences, if there are indeed any, are very subtle indeed. So before equivocating further, I'd better write what I felt I noticed. First, there were no marked differences in frequency balance. On 'Isn't She Lovely' there is a quietly played, somewhat distant and restrained tambourine. On the CD this sounded just a trifle sharper than the DVD, showing perhaps the tiniest little bit more emphasis on the upper harmonics. I switched back and forth throughout this section, and my conviction faded as I continued. Nevertheless, I think the result was that the DVD was a little more natural. Second, I listened closely to lateral stereo imaging and stage depth. I could detect no difference between the two for stage depth, but did occasionally sense that the stereo image was a little more tightly focused with the DVD than the CD. And there you have it. This was the extent of any variation between the two formats discernible by me with this music. In all other respects, I could pick no differences. So, for example, I paid particular attention to the air around instruments. Yet as far as I could tell, they were identical. Conclusion My Ink CD cost me $30 from Rockian Trading, the Australian Chesky distributor. My Ink DVD cost $60 from the same source. Clearly the latter is not twice as good as the former. But it is slightly better ... I think! The audible differences really are so very subtle that I am by no means convinced that it was not my imagination conjuring them. There is, though, one clear advantage of the 96/24 recording process, whether finally delivered as 96/24 on DVD or as 44.1/16 on CD. That is to do with headroom. Live to tape recording is problematic. How much headroom do you allow? In a digital recording you dare not allow 0dB to be exceeded. Digital formats produce the hardest clipping known to humanity. The wave forms are chopped off at 0dB with a ruler flat line. But if you keep the modulation levels well down, you are not making full use of the 65,536 quantisation levels available with 16 bit recording. Remember, if your whole recording doesn't get above -6dB, you are effectively recording at 15 bits. So you want to turn up the level as much as you can, without clipping. But how do you get the level just right? You can set it during rehearsals, but when the band plays the track to be laid down, a moment of enthusiasm on its part can easily throw you into clipping. Or it may decide on a more restrained performance, and give you that 15 bit recording you were trying to avoid. Then, if the recording is a little low, should you 'normalise' it? -- digitally amplify it so that the average level is more or less the same as other CDs? If you do this, you increase quantisation noise along with the level of the music. If you don't, you end up with something like my Telarc CD of Vivaldi's The Four Seasons, extremely quiet throughout and incapable of delivering a high level from a portable CD player to headphones. Using 24 bits of resolution avoids these problems completely. You can allow plenty of headroom for momentary orchestral expressiveness, yet retain plenty of resolution. Remember, those extra eight bits give you an extra 48dB to play with! You can normalise the signal during the transfer to CD without any loss of CD resolution or increase in quantisation noise. But whether the extra cost over a CD for the at most subtle improvement provided by a 96/24 DVD is a matter for each listener to decide. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 04:59:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03DF93BEDB; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 23:59:17 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7C838F217006C-1A34-F683@FWM-R16.sysops.aol.com> From: enat21213@aol.com References: <8C7C65E06214EC2-1B54-20CB6@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> <34C5C5AB-B1E9-4466-BE82-67FF3868A2FB@boysen.se> <64b81a780512051456w17fdfa5ex46af61448460567c@mail.gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <64b81a780512051456w17fdfa5ex46af61448460567c@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: help..advice ...epd and sampler Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.144 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:59:21 +0000 (UTC) the thing is i need the backing tracks to sync up with my echoplex dp....looking into ableton live...downloaded the demo....getting some sonic weirdness when taping the tempo at diferent speeds than the wav. temo.....anyone else using it with a edp? thougths? thanks! brian -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:56:41 -0500 Subject: Re: help..advice ...epd and sampler On 12/3/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On Dec 3, 2005, at 21:19, enat21213@aol.com wrote: > > > i'm looking to get into playing with backing tracks live....what's > > a good hardware device (sampler) that will hold multiple songs > > around 3-4-5 minutes. > > Why not get a cheap DAT recorder or mini disc? I mean if it's static > backing tracks that would be totally fool proof. I've been touring > with backing tracks on CD and DAT (2 tr stereo as well as 8 tr ADAT) > and with CD you really have to get a "DJ safe" CD player. You can not > rely on the venues to have that. Problems with some CD players is > that bass frequencies at loud levels make the backing track stutter. > That's why we always used DAT for backing tracks. > > As "backing track sampler" I guess any hard drive based recorder > would do fine. > Seems like an mp3 player would work too. You could even set up a playlist in your iPod (everyone has an iPod now, right?) and zip right through your set list. Just a thought. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 09:50:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28FC83BED6; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051206010247.050c7a38@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 01:51:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Real-time category In-Reply-To: <43941EFC.6080403@addcom.de> References: <43941EFC.6080403@addcom.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:50:55 +0000 (UTC) At 03:05 AM 12/5/2005, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >I just found this quote on the Loopers-Delight page where all the software >loopers are listed: > >"PC/Mac software doesn't get to be in the real-time category, cause if it >runs on MacOS or Windows, it can't honestly be called real-time! It can >still be very powerful stuff, though...." > >I don't understand the quote, its obviously wrong, I do realtime looping >since more than a decade with software running on various OSes, mostly OS >X now. There must be a debate about it... Windows, MacOS, and Unix/Linux are general purpose, non-realtime OSes. A real-time OS (RTOS) is a special variety of operating system that guarantees a specific time in which any command will be executed. No matter what the system is doing, the command will execute in time. RTOS is commonly used in timing critical applications. Looping happens to be a very time sensitive application, since users constantly interact with it in a rhythmic fashion and timing inaccuracies tend to get multiplied as the loop repeats. Also, there are often precise synchronization requirements that need reliably exact timing. That is why all dedicated looping hardware uses an RTOS. Many loopers like having reliable timing, so this is an important issue to them. In a non-realtime system (like windows/mac/linux), a command cannot be guaranteed to execute within a specified time. Most of the time however, a command will execute quickly enough. So it may seem "realtime". But there is always some probability that a command will get delayed longer than expected. You can't depend on the timing accuracy of the system 100% of the time. Some people don't seem to mind that unreliability, others do. >I am sure I can setup my instrument faster than any looper with more than >2 hardware loop devices. it isn't a question of setup time. (that is a user interface issue.) >And most hardware devices run software within their own OS. They all do. It isn't a question of "software vs hardware". That is meaningless since in all cases we are talking about software running on hardware. The issue is "realtime vs non-realtime". Designers of dedicated loopers all choose real-time OS for their system architecture. Windows/mac/linux software applications do not have that choice. >Hardware can even crash... of course. that isn't the issue either. >(Kyma is listed as hardware, though its software, the accompanying >hardware is called Capybara ;-) That's a good point, it should get clarified. However the Capybara is running its own RTOS, and that is where all the sound processing happens. The category on the LD tools page is called "Real Time Loopers" not "Hardware Loopers". That is why Kyma is in that section. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 12:32:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2654A3BED8; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=C33EUVLzw037TODW8XrGLehHRt7Pgz8rtJ+yE3xNfiaf1pAmiIYkh2Oapp8fLHICcC9lRA61IlM1Pfk0DBlAmkSbtk1m5qdp4b6XjcrATuYL5FpSj9HeML+YHJfc7gzv60dMhLrWODdNd2NLRYhbhwGo+MfdonVnI6DBtzI6Z2M= Message-ID: <588ce11d0512060432l25693467jb3f83345e4cca32d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 04:32:02 -0800 From: Art Simon To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Are there any real-time "flavors" of Linux suitable for looping? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:32:08 +0000 (UTC) The discussion of Real-time operating systems got me thinking: are there any real-time "flavors" of Linux that could support Sooper-Looper? Just curious, -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 13:09:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6096A3BEE0; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Robert van der Kamp Reply-To: robnet@wxs.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Are there any real-time "flavors" of Linux suitable for looping? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:19:05 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <588ce11d0512060432l25693467jb3f83345e4cca32d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0512060432l25693467jb3f83345e4cca32d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512061419.06274.robnet@wxs.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:09:32 +0000 (UTC) On Tuesday 06 December 2005 13:32, Art Simon wrote: > The discussion of Real-time operating systems got me > thinking: are there any real-time "flavors" of Linux that > could support Sooper-Looper? 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----Z4ZdCr2orF8waGA7Qyj-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 19:23:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1554E3BEC7; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:22:57 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: <6.1.2.0.2.20051206010247.050c7a38@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4395E511.8060305@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <43941EFC.6080403@addcom.de> <6.1.2.0.2.20051206010247.050c7a38@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Gosh, it must be days since I've subjected everyone to a screed. Oh well, I'm in a festive holiday mood. > Looping happens to be a very time sensitive application, since users > constantly interact with it in a rhythmic fashion and timing inaccuracies > tend to get multiplied as the loop repeats. I don't understand this comment. You may have timing inaccuracies in the start or end points of the loop, or the edges of an overdub or SUSReplace. But once recorded the loop plays back in exactly the same way every time because of a lovely piece of hardware running a real-time OS (your sound card). The inaccuracies in effect become part of the "groove" of the cycle which may or may not be acceptable but I don't see how they can get worse as the loop repeats. If you're referring to techniques like dropping in a precisely timed SUSReplace on every repeat, then yes there is a chance that one or more of them won't be where they should and this may affect the groove of the cycle. But we're talking about milliseconds of variance, 2 or 3 not 10 or 20. Also note that this variance only affects the edges of the replace, not the tempo of what was played or its alignment with what was being heard when it was played. An argument I've seen raised a few times here is that humans can detect "jitter" in tempo down to about 1ms. This is true, but it doesn't really apply to human interaction with a looper. Timing inaccuracies once recorded will be played back exactly the same way every time, so they are not perceived as tempo jitter which is why I call them part of the groove. To be perceived as jitter you would have to be doing SUSReplaces very rapidly and evenly over an extended period of time, and I doubt there are many loopers with the timing or stamina to do that. > Also, there are often precise > synchronization requirements that need reliably exact timing. That is why > all dedicated looping hardware uses an RTOS. Many loopers like having > reliable timing, so this is an important issue to them. As I've said here before, synchronization is only a problem if you are synchronizing the computer with another piece of hardware. Synchronization among the tracks of a looping application, or between between tempo sensitive plugins running under a host application is essentially free and sample accurate. This is because there is only one master clock that drives all "devices", if there is jitter in this clock then all devices experience the jitter at exactly the same time, and all of this is hidden behind the latency introduced by the audio interface. There may still be timing inaccuracies in the processing of a MIDI command, but all devices will respond to the command at exactly the same time and remain in sync. Someone once asked me if I could make the tracks of an audio application drift gradually out of sync like several hardware devices freewheeling without a master clock. This is actually rather hard to do. Hardware is better at going *out* of sync :-) Synchronizing the computer with another piece of hardware is an entirely different matter. But if we're talking about MIDI clock sync the situation isn't so bad. At 120 BPM there is a MIDI clock every 20.83 milliseconds. This is an enormous amount of time and it is well within a non-real-time OS's ability to generate a reasonably stable clock at this resolution. Yes there will be some slight jitter, but all modern devices that slave to MIDI clocks perform "smoothing" of some form to effectively eliminate the effects of jitter. I challenge anyone to submit to a double blind experiment attempting to identify a drum machine freewheeling to its own internal clock and one slaved to a MIDI clock generated by Sonar or another modern DAW. There is one notable thing in the looping world that is impossible for a PC to do, and that is "brother sync" on the EDP, synchronizing two different hardware devices with sample accuracy. You can use MIDI sync and retrigger periodically but it isn't as good. Another point for RTOS. I've been giving this some thought recently, and something that may improve the situation is to connect PCs in a network using MIDI or a MIDI/ethernet bridge, then let the PC who defines the first cycle send a short sysex to the others telling them exactly how many samples are in the cycle, thereafter they synchronize using MIDI clocks. You will still need to retrigger periodically to keep them in sync, but since the loops all have exactly the same cycle length this will hopefully happen less often. You would not get the phase accuracy required for a stereo mix of the same signal, but for independent signals from different musicians it may be enough. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 19:33:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 806903BECF; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:40:04 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: [NEW RELEASE] Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 To: Message-id: <000f01c5fa9c$db5bdd00$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051126000226.09db5280@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Nice - It's a pleasure for me to put a musical sound and a face to the e-mails and names I read here. I'm looking forward to receiving my copies of LDCV3. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunao Inami" To: Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [NEW RELEASE] Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 > Hi, > > I added 45sec mp3 preview each songs for LD Compilation Volume 3. > please visit below: > > http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3 > > p.s. > also please visit to our online shop below in your free time.... > > http://shop.cavestudio.org > > > p.s.p.s. > Thank you for your good comments, Kim..! > > thanks > > Sunao > > At 0:09 AM -0800 05.11.26, Kim Flint wrote: > >At 06:54 AM 11/23/2005, Sunao Inami wrote: > >>Hi LD list, > >> > >>A new release information. > >>Finally, Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 will release on 1st > >>December 2005. > > > >I'm really thrilled to see this project come together. I can't wait > >to hear it! The list of artists on this volume is really exciting. > >It represents a nice cross section of the different artists and > >personalities who make Looper's Delight a great community. > > > >It has been a while since the last Looper's Delight Compilation CD > >was made. Thanks a lot Sunao, for your excellent effort organizing > >Volume 3! Producing this type of CD is a difficult job. I (and I'm > >sure everybody else here) really appreciate your efforts. > > > >kim > > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 20:05:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C93FE3BEDA; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,223,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="138476514:sNHT31060834" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20051206120100.011a6018@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:05:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Real-time category In-Reply-To: <4395E511.8060305@sun.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051206010247.050c7a38@loopers-delight.com> <43941EFC.6080403@addcom.de> <6.1.2.0.2.20051206010247.050c7a38@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Isn't the point that if the start or end point is incorrect and someone recorded the loop while say a drummer was playing, then the loop would drift in relation to what the drummer is playing - the drift multiplying as the loop repeats? Not an issue if all tracks are recorded - but an issue for mixed looping and unlooped playing. At 2005.12.06 11:22 AM, Jeff Larson wrote: > > Looping happens to be a very time sensitive application, since users > > constantly interact with it in a rhythmic fashion and timing inaccuracies > > tend to get multiplied as the loop repeats. > >I don't understand this comment. You may have timing inaccuracies in >the start or end points of the loop, or the edges of an overdub or >SUSReplace. But once recorded the loop plays back in exactly the same >way every time because of a lovely piece of hardware running a >real-time OS (your sound card). The inaccuracies in effect become >part of the "groove" of the cycle which may or may not be acceptable >but I don't see how they can get worse as the loop repeats. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 20:50:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 454B03BEDF; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:50:25 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: <5.2.1.1.0.20051206120100.011a6018@mail02.powweb.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4395F991.6040103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051206010247.050c7a38@loopers-delight.com> <43941EFC.6080403@addcom.de> <6.1.2.0.2.20051206010247.050c7a38@loopers-delight.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20051206120100.011a6018@mail02.powweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Sean Echevarria wrote: > Isn't the point that if the start or end point is incorrect and someone > recorded the loop while say a drummer was playing, then the loop would > drift in relation to what the drummer is playing - the drift multiplying > as the loop repeats? Not an issue if all tracks are recorded - but an > issue for mixed looping and unlooped playing. You would have the same problem with a hardware looper. Once the loop length is set, the drummer has to follow the loop. I don't care how accurate the looper is, you can't tap start/end points and remain in sync with a drummer that is keeping their own time. Try this: start a drum machine running with its own internal clock, now play a phrase into your favorite hardware looper that is not physically synchronized with the drum machine. Unless you are unhumanly accurate with your taps you will not create a loop that exactly the same size as what the drum machine is playing. They will gradually drift out of sync. The timing inaccuracies you may experience with a non real-time system would be on the order of a few milliseconds added to or dropped from the loop. It isn't like you will loose a beat every now and then. A good drummer should be able to instantly adapt to this the same way they adapt to any other musician going out of tempo. The point is that once the loop is captured and begins playing it will not change, even on a non-real-time system. Short loops will have a predictable cadence that the musicians can adapt to. Long loops may feel slightly "off" at the end point, but no more so than your bass player after a few beers. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 21:25:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69E9F3BEDF; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:25:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4395F991.6040103@sun.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051206010247.050c7a38@loopers-delight.com> <43941EFC.6080403@addcom.de> <6.1.2.0.2.20051206010247.050c7a38@loopers-delight.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20051206120100.011a6018@mail02.powweb.com> <4395F991.6040103@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <59d972a75812b3750061faef37675aaa@skeletonhome.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Real-time category Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:25:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:25:30 +0000 (UTC) i do believe that hardware devices exist that can spit out midi clock derived from a real-time tempo input such as a drum track or live drummer. On Dec 6, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > You would have the same problem with a hardware looper. Once the loop > length is set, the drummer has to follow the loop. I don't care how > accurate the looper is, you can't tap start/end points and remain in > sync with a drummer that is keeping their own time. bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 22:04:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D2553BEE0; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:04:41 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: <59d972a75812b3750061faef37675aaa@skeletonhome.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43960AF9.7000906@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051206010247.050c7a38@loopers-delight.com> <43941EFC.6080403@addcom.de> <6.1.2.0.2.20051206010247.050c7a38@loopers-delight.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20051206120100.011a6018@mail02.powweb.com> <4395F991.6040103@sun.com> <59d972a75812b3750061faef37675aaa@skeletonhome.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:04:45 +0000 (UTC) bruce tovsky wrote: > i do believe that hardware devices exist that can spit out midi clock > derived from a real-time tempo input such as a drum track or live drummer. Yes, but that is a different issue, we were discussing just the feasibility of tapping a loop of the correct size. Once the loop is created, if you were using such a tempo extraction device then the problem is one of external synchronization, how well does the looper running as a slave adapt to changes in the MIDI clock rate. I don't think an RTOS provides any particular advantage here. Again we're dealing with MIDI clocks of unknown origin so everyone will do smoothing and lag a bit before recognizing a change in the distance between clocks is actually a tempo change and not just jitter. The bigger problem for any audio looper is what you do in response to the rate change. You can't just change the rate at which you play the "sequence" like a drum machine, you either have to make periodic adjustments by jumping the playback position backward or forward, or you have to use a time stretching algorithm to make the loop fit the new tempo. To my knowledge the only hardware looper that attempts time stretching is the Repeater and it doesn't always handle it well. It is a very hard problem, and an RTOS doesn't help you solve it. Periodic jumps are easier, but it only works if the tempo is drifting by a BPM or so. If the drummer dropped from say 120 to 87 BPM, any looper that does not do time stretch will either start ignoring the clock or start retriggering at seemingly random locations. An RTOS doesn't do anything for you here either. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 6 23:26:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 203FE3BEE7; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004d01c5fabc$6611b7c0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:25:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C5FA81.B662CA60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.300000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhartung.com<) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 66, in=40140, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:26:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C5FA81.B662CA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower = back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they = pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire = body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 = minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What = I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like = hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial = like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it = was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point = in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg = twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the = amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he = said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, = encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, = chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of = changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting = vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces = an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes = captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as = an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list? Kris ***************************************************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C5FA81.B662CA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just had a most exhilarating = experience: my first=20 MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding = table,=20 and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches = around=20 my entire body.  They put large headphones on my head, and = then for=20 the next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and = meditative=20 state. What I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from = jackhammer-like=20 hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial = like=20 sounds, and so on. It was delightful.  The MRI technician said it = was a=20 rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure.  At one = point=20 in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg = twitching.  I could have stayed in there most of the = day. And the=20 amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he = said they=20 were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased in = metal, was a=20 giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool minus = 270=20 degrees.  The sounds were a result of changes they were making in = the=20 electrical current and the resulting vibrations to the machine.=20 Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my back,=20 however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, I would = love to have=20 that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it = for=20 looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental = looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians on the=20 list?
 
Kris
 
*****************************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational = Looping=20 Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com
Di= scography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C5FA81.B662CA60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 00:01:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18CCA3BEF0; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:01:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01C5FA8F.1F8340D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004d01c5fabc$6611b7c0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-MPG7D.A.KAF.qZilDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:01:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C5FA8F.1F8340D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have connections and could probably sneak into one, the challenge is recording it with something non-magnetic. It's been a challenge to design headphones that won't rip off your head (read that as you like;-) ) or mess up the images. Let me think about a technique.... -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list? Kris ***************************************************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C5FA8F.1F8340D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have=20 connections and could probably sneak into one, the challenge is = recording it=20 with something non-magnetic.  It's been a challenge to design = headphones=20 that won't rip off your head (read that as you like;-) ) or mess up the=20 images.  Let me think about a technique....
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, = 2005 5:26=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: The=20 MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental = Music?

I just had a most exhilarating = experience: my=20 first MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid down on a = sliding=20 table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere = inches=20 around my entire body.  They put large headphones on my = head, and=20 then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly = euphoric and=20 meditative state. What I heard were a series of interesting = sounds...from=20 jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre = sci-fi=20 industrial like sounds, and so on. It was delightful.  The MRI = technician=20 said it was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that = procedure. =20 At one point in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was = awoke by=20 my leg twitching.  I could have stayed in there most of the=20 day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about the source = of the=20 sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around = my body,=20 encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, = chilled=20 down to a cool minus 270 degrees.  The sounds were a result of = changes=20 they were making in the electrical current and the resulting = vibrations to the=20 machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my = back,=20 however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, I = would love to=20 have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could = use it for=20 looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental=20 looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians on the=20 list?
 
Kris
 
*****************************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational = Looping=20 Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com
Di= scography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C5FA8F.1F8340D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 00:17:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 783823BED5; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a301c5fac3$acdc69a0$7824d255@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <004d01c5fabc$6611b7c0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:17:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C5FAC3.AC653DD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:17:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C5FAC3.AC653DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Philips have been running adverts on UK television recently showing = a MRI scanner. Maybe you could buy one? Would look amazing onstage!=20 However... I've found out that they cost around =A31 million (excluding tax and = installation!) Ouch not many loopers have that sort of money floating = about (I know most of us like to buy equipment but even a MRI scanner = may test the desires of the most ardent tech head) Your experience Kris is closely related to John Cage's in the anechoic = chamber in 1948. This led on to him composing the famous piece of music = 4'33"=20 "There is always something to see, something to hear. In fact try as we = may to make a silence, we cannot." John Cage Cheers Dan www.danmayfield.com www.myspace.com/danmayfield ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C5FAC3.AC653DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well Philips have been running adverts = on UK=20 television recently showing a MRI scanner. Maybe you could buy one? = Would look=20 amazing onstage!
 
However...
 
I've found out that they cost around = =A31 million=20 (excluding tax and installation!) Ouch not many loopers have that sort = of money=20 floating about (I know most of us like to buy equipment but even a MRI = scanner=20 may test the desires of the most ardent tech head)
 
Your experience Kris is closely = related to=20 John Cage's in the anechoic chamber in 1948.  This led = on to=20 him composing the famous piece of music 4'33"
 
"There is always something to see, = something to=20 hear. In fact try as we may to make a silence, we cannot." John=20 Cage
 
Cheers
Dan
 
www.danmayfield.com
www.myspace.com/danmayfield
------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C5FAC3.AC653DD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 00:31:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADB8C3BEEE; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:31:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <00a301c5fac3$acdc69a0$7824d255@homemain> References: <004d01c5fabc$6611b7c0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00a301c5fac3$acdc69a0$7824d255@homemain> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-989435165 Message-Id: From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:30:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:31:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-989435165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed i believe that the technicians have a speaker in their room, so that they can hear the patient scream from claustrophobia... when i had my mri they could hear me and talk to me, and no, i did not scream.... didn't matmos do something with mri? they are famous for using sound samples of plastic surgery equipment.... mmmm, those liposuction slurps.... b On Dec 6, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Dan Mayfield wrote: > Well Philips have been running adverts on UK television recently=20 > showing a MRI scanner. Maybe you could buy one? Would look amazing=20 > onstage! > =A0 > However... > =A0 > I've found out that they cost around =A31 million (excluding tax and=20= > installation!) Ouch not many loopers have that sort of money floating=20= > about (I know most of us like to buy equipment but even a MRI scanner=20= > may test the desires of the most ardent tech head) > =A0 > Your experience Kris is=A0closely related to John Cage's in = the=A0anechoic=20 > chamber in 1948.=A0 This led on to him composing the famous piece of=20= > music 4'33" > =A0 > "There is always something to see, something to hear. In fact try as=20= > we may to make a silence, we cannot." John Cage > =A0 > Cheers > Dan > =A0 > www.danmayfield.com > www.myspace.com/danmayfield bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-2-989435165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 i believe that the technicians have a speaker in their room, so that they can hear the patient scream from claustrophobia... when i had my mri they could hear me and talk to me, and no, i did not scream.... didn't matmos do something with mri? they are famous for using sound samples of plastic surgery equipment.... mmmm, those liposuction slurps.... b On Dec 6, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Dan Mayfield wrote: ArialWell Philips have been running adverts on UK television recently showing a MRI scanner. Maybe you could buy one? Would look amazing = onstage! =A0 = ArialHowever...= =A0 ArialI've found out that they cost around =A31 million (excluding tax and installation!) Ouch not many loopers have that sort of money floating about (I know most of us like to buy equipment but even a MRI scanner may test the desires of the most ardent tech head) =A0 ArialYour experience Kris is=A0closely related to John Cage's in the=A0anechoic chamber in 1948.=A0 This led on to him composing the famous piece of music 4'33" =A0 Arial"There is always something to see, something to hear. In fact try as we may to make a silence, we cannot." John Cage =A0 ArialCheers ArialDan =A0 = Arial0000,0000,EEEEwww.danmayfield.com = Arial0000,0000,EEEEwww.myspace.com/danmayfield bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-2-989435165-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 00:32:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2AFB3BF0B; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:33:46 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? In-Reply-To: <004d01c5fabc$6611b7c0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: References: <004d01c5fabc$6611b7c0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1463809535-515634781-1133915626=:8095" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:32:01 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---1463809535-515634781-1133915626=:8095 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Kris Hartung wrote: > I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my back, however. When I had an MRI several years ago, the only reason I didn't fall asleep was the dratted nurse asking "are you ok?" every couple of minutes. Afterward I asked him how often people freak out and claw their way out (I inferred from his tone during the procedure he was checking for my attitude. His response was "Oh, at least once a week." regards, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html ---1463809535-515634781-1133915626=:8095-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 00:48:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA0203BF0F; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.68.214.11] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <004d01c5fabc$6611b7c0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 00:47:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2005 00:47:59.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEBC5E90:01C5FAC7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Not for the claustrophobic. I'm no longer elegible as I have a fair amount of (magnetic) surgical steel in my right arm. The low-tech machines that I've experienced were VERY, VERY LOUD. Even with earplugs, it sounded like a gang of bikers driving around & around inside my skull. I like a good beat, but where's the melody? >From: "Kris Hartung" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? >Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:25:46 -0700 > >I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower back). > This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they pushed me into >a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire body. They put >large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased >into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were a series >of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or >vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It was >delightful. The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone to >actually enjoy that procedure. At one point in time, I was in a half >waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching. I could have stayed >in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about >the source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; >rather, around my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil >surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds >were a result of changes they were making in the electrical current and the >resulting vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that >produces an image of my back, however. > >...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes >captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as an >ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. > >Are there any MRI technicians on the list? > >Kris > >***************************************************** >Krispen Hartung >Improvisational Looping Guitarist >http://www.krispenhartung.com >info@krispenhartung.com >Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 00:53:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21A7A3BF11; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:53:42 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C5FA96.607BC650" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:53:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C5FA96.607BC650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yes, but it's definitely lo-fi. perhaps a parabolic mic in the control room??? -----Original Message----- From: bruce tovsky [mailto:bruce@skeletonhome.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? i believe that the technicians have a speaker in their room, so that they can hear the patient scream from claustrophobia... when i had my mri they could hear me and talk to me, and no, i did not scream.... didn't matmos do something with mri? they are famous for using sound samples of plastic surgery equipment.... mmmm, those liposuction slurps.... b On Dec 6, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Dan Mayfield wrote: Well Philips have been running adverts on UK television recently showing a MRI scanner. Maybe you could buy one? Would look amazing onstage! However... I've found out that they cost around £1 million (excluding tax and installation!) Ouch not many loopers have that sort of money floating about (I know most of us like to buy equipment but even a MRI scanner may test the desires of the most ardent tech head) Your experience Kris is closely related to John Cage's in the anechoic chamber in 1948. This led on to him composing the famous piece of music 4'33" "There is always something to see, something to hear. In fact try as we may to make a silence, we cannot." John Cage Cheers Dan www.danmayfield.com www.myspace.com/danmayfield bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C5FA96.607BC650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yes,=20 but it's definitely lo-fi. perhaps a parabolic mic in the control=20 room???
-----Original Message-----
From: bruce tovsky=20 [mailto:bruce@skeletonhome.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, = 2005=20 6:31 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental=20 Music?

i believe that the technicians have a = speaker in=20 their room,
so that they can hear the patient scream from=20 claustrophobia...
when i had my mri they could hear me and talk to = me, and=20 no,
i did not scream....
didn't matmos do something with mri? = they are=20 famous for using
sound samples of plastic surgery equipment.... = mmmm,=20 those
liposuction slurps....
b

On Dec 6, 2005, at 7:17 = PM, Dan=20 Mayfield wrote:

Well Philips have = been=20 running adverts on UK television recently showing a MRI scanner. = Maybe you=20 could buy one? Would look amazing=20 onstage!
 
However...
 
I've=20 found out that they cost around =A31 million (excluding tax and = installation!)=20 Ouch not many loopers have that sort of money floating about (I know = most of=20 us like to buy equipment but even a MRI scanner may test the desires = of the=20 most ardent tech = head)
 
Your=20 experience Kris is closely related to John Cage's in = the anechoic chamber in 1948.  This = led=20 on to him composing the famous piece of music = 4'33"
 
"There is always = something to see, something to hear. In fact try as we may to make a = silence, we cannot." John = Cage
 
Cheers
Dan
 
www.danmayfield.com
www.myspace.com/danmayfield
bruce=20 tovsky
www.skeletonhome.com

"Sometimes the appropriate = response to=20 reality is to go insane."
Philip K. = Dick
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C5FA96.607BC650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 01:00:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6BA73BF05; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-991227145 Message-Id: From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:00:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:00:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-991227145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed lo-fi is better than no-fi. i my experience the tech room is sealed off from the mri room. On Dec 6, 2005, at 7:53 PM, Michael Plishka wrote: > yes, but it's definitely lo-fi. perhaps a parabolic mic in the control > room??? bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-3-991227145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII lo-fi is better than no-fi. i my experience the tech room is sealed off from the mri room. On Dec 6, 2005, at 7:53 PM, Michael Plishka wrote: Arial0000,0000,FFFFyes, but it's definitely lo-fi. perhaps a parabolic mic in the control room??? bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-3-991227145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 01:06:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 174913BF19; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=to9fnPW1qbhmu8MftCYYExBCpD0rXXlv80c/wKjDiGKaVrio92ApdrDSGaFovxjDfJat5d1wf+BGhHJk+fKp3tJVMfIreBvXkdeU2ec0xC7fVIvEMukv3zgRtgKH2/uUfehcxNngcxLTs/RHSppj2RpKwcM3l8Qi1vtXSAW3W4o= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:06:08 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <004d01c5fabc$6611b7c0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:06:09 +0000 (UTC) So are they really bad for your hearing? TravisH On 12/6/05, David Rolling wrote: > Not for the claustrophobic. I'm no longer elegible as I have a fair amoun= t > of (magnetic) surgical steel in my right arm. The low-tech machines that > I've experienced were VERY, VERY LOUD. Even with earplugs, it sounded lik= e a > gang of bikers driving around & around inside my skull. I like a good bea= t, > but where's the melody? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 04:56:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A7DF3BEF7; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.68.242.60] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 04:56:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2005 04:56:47.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0863B50:01C5FAEA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Oh yes. No question. I've had several, unfortunately, and earplugs are standard procedure. Unpleasant when they did my cervical spine (neck) but almost unbearable when I had my brain scanned - over 40 minutes deep inside the damned thing. They don't give you a 'panic' button for nothing! BTW, I'd love to participate in this list, but all the mail goes to my junk box. The only way I ever see anything I write is if someone replies to me. And If I attempt to start a topic, the message bounces back to my in-box. It's somehow paralelling my looping experiences- kinda hit & miss w/lots of technical glitches!! >From: Travis Hartnett >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? >Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:06:08 -0800 > >So are they really bad for your hearing? > >TravisH > >On 12/6/05, David Rolling wrote: > > Not for the claustrophobic. I'm no longer elegible as I have a fair >amount > > of (magnetic) surgical steel in my right arm. The low-tech machines that > > I've experienced were VERY, VERY LOUD. Even with earplugs, it sounded >like a > > gang of bikers driving around & around inside my skull. I like a good >beat, > > but where's the melody? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 07:37:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0CEA3BEE1; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Hxtcj1yk5TN6mouwQVzNtvESVO5p3lXiNdUWA9/LvZj67omCQg9ySC5jlQ7Gzo7dozqyLQCuFkzYcGZNSSW7wmUQOH/rClDXruTJkN2XHJFWxOQQWl3dBmJrgforSU3lUbXsbGo3YTjhEuAAV5YjcYpl3Og8CKsooQS4IApmNg0= ; Message-ID: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:37:22 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Real-time category To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051207000147.76EBC3BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, I seem to understand what Kim is saying perfectly well. You seem like a very intellegent person, though you don't seem to see things the same way. I have one question for you and I don't mean it to sound elitist or anything. Are you a Musician? Not, do you play an instrument, rather, if we jammed together, would I come away from that experience saying to myself, man, that Jeff is a Real Musician... Perhaps answering this question may throw some light on the whole topic under consideration. The way I see it, nobody except a musician really gives a hoot as to whether or not a Looper has a RTOS. I think Kim has stated very well and quite clearly, that non real time systems are quite fine and adequate for many uses and users. Just not for musicians. Stephen __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 08:32:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D6183BED8; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e101c5fb08$c3b84230$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Real-time category Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:32:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <7a7SY.A.dkC.c4plDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:32:29 +0000 (UTC) I think I understand and agree with Kim's distinction between an RTOS hardware looper and looping software run on a Mac or a PC and I take his point. What I'm interested more in, quite frankly, is what are the practical distinctions from a musical standpoint between the two paradigms? If you use either one of these in front of an audience, making your loops in real time, the only important factor from a musical standpoint is how they differ in rhythmic feel while using them. I've been a hardware person so far in my looping but have to confess that laptop driven software looping programs have their decided appeal and I'm considering trying out a system that uses both. I wonder if we could hear, in particular, from people like Per Boysen and Matthias Grob.................people who have extensive, real time performing experience with RTOS hardware and nonRTOS software run on computers. What are the practical and musical applications of these two paradigms, you guys (and anyone else with this experience). Also, how reliable do you find connecting the two kinds of systems via MIDI in a real time musical performance? *********** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 08:55:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 088D03BEE9; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:55:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00e101c5fb08$c3b84230$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00e101c5fb08$c3b84230$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <495FE86F-BE31-4226-B951-5A0C21A355EB@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Real-time category Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:55:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:55:39 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 7, 2005, at 9:32, loop.pool wrote: > What I'm interested more in, quite frankly, is what are the =20 > practical distinctions from a musical standpoint between the > two paradigms? For me, as a musician, there is in praxis no difference at all. And =20 that is because I never, ever play my instruments THROUGH the looping =20= software. I monitor/ampligy my audio input (instruments played) =20 directly from the sound card out into the PA (or local amp) before it =20= goes into the software. That's essential. When the looping software =20 does compensate for the latency induced by the computer hardware I =20 couldn't care less. My loops bounce back exactly as I played them and =20= the machine has a complete loop round to fulfill its calculations. =20 Last week I did a gig with only M=F6bious on a laptop and I had two =20 percussionists with me (udu, kongoma, talking drum and shakers). I =20 looped the percussion mic and my own flute mic into M=F6bius, sometimes =20= on the same track, sometimes creating a percussion only track and =20 sometimes layering it all into the same loop. None of us three felt =20 any problem with the timing. I understand that musicians can experience difficulties if playing =20 (their instrument's direct signal) through the software, but I don't =20 do that. When I bring my EDP though, I can sometimes enjoy the easy =20 going set up to play through the machine, but most of the time I even =20= put the EDP in a send loop and turn its "mix" button all way right. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 09:25:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C24D3BEEA; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00e101c5fb08$c3b84230$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00e101c5fb08$c3b84230$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9DB17B29-84AB-48B3-AFF4-360F625DB1A5@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Real-time category Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:25:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8ZxMAD.A.sFE._pqlDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:25:20 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 7, 2005, at 9:32, loop.pool wrote: > Also, how reliable do you find connecting the two kinds of systems =20= > via MIDI in a real time musical performance? Speaking about synchronization I have found everything except Ableton =20= Live reliable in the slaving-ti-MIDI-clock sync position (i.e. M=F6bius =20= in Windows XP, Augustus Loop in OS X and the two hardware units =20 Repeater looper and AKAI MFC42 analog filterbank). Therefore I have =20 often used Live as the sync master. Good thing with that is that =20 using the EDP's speed function won't kick a bunch of slaved gear into =20= bizarre tempo changes. Bad thing is I miss out on the wonderful First =20= Loop Tempo Definition option that comes with running the EDP as the =20 master. Maybe the bad sync slaving in Live is related to OS X or the Mac =20 version of Live, but I can't tell for sure with my limited =20 experience. When running M=F6bius in XP as the MIDI clock master I have =20= not experienced any sync drop-outs with Live as I have had on the Mac =20= when using Augustus Loop or my EDP as the sync master for MIDI clock. Since I found a machine that can run M=F6bius I tend to leave out the =20= EDP and run four tracks of stereo loops in M=F6bius instead (kind of =20 equal to eight EDPs set up for four stereo loopers). M=F6bius internal =20= sync, between its tracks, feels rock solid to me, but I won't go into =20= repeating what have already been posted on this. All this software =20 fiddling has had an interesting, psychologically subjective, effect =20 on my attitude towards my EDP. I really enjoy it more as an =20 instrument compared to looking at it as "a device" and I tend to use =20 it on it's own without syncing at with other gear. I feel more like =20 I'm playing the EDP than that I'm "using it to loop what I play" and =20 I prefer to play the EDP without syncing up to other gear (eventually =20= just the combo EDP + beat synced filterbank with an expression pedal =20 mapped to LFO tempo division). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 09:32:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CE203BEF7; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 9ab0845e688a9023a8d82b1c629c87e1 Received-SPF: pass (ibadan.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.7 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.7; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[192.168.1.2]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:31:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Real-time category Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:32:07 +0000 (UTC) > I seem to understand what Kim is saying perfectly well. You >seem like a very intellegent person, though you don't seem to see >things the same way. I have one question for you and I don't mean >it to sound elitist or anything. > > Are you a Musician? Stephen you could ask the same question to Kim :-) The main diference between them is not that one of them is a musician, but that Jeff defends his software work and Kim the hardware. Its Kims personal position and as far as I know it rather comes more from his experience with creating PCs than from actual playing. Likely, its Kims decision not to list Jeffs Mobius on LD. If you ask me, I would answer with your nice words: Most people that jam with me come away from the experience thinking that I am a musician (I am not sure about "man, he is a Real Musician Real Musician" :-). Luckily I am one with bad ears, I did not spend time to practice acurate timing, so for me the PC works :-) And my brasilian percussionist friends did not notice the 20ms latency :-) My PC creates single clicks sometimes, probably due to the problem that Kim explains well: "there is always some probability that a command will get delayed longer than expected." Somebody told me that its because my PC uses Nvidia graphics that share the main memory :-( Anyway, for me the clicks are rare enough and I believe it will improve in the future. Yet, if I was a Real Musician and had to play a show for 20kPeople every night, I would use a huge hardware rack and a roadie :-) >The way I see it, nobody except a musician really gives a hoot as to >whether or not a Looper has a >RTOS. I think Kim has stated very well and quite clearly, that non >real time systems are quite >fine and adequate for many uses and users. Just not for musicians. > hm... no, Kim said: "Some people don't seem to mind that unreliability, others do" I wonder: who on this list does mind? It seems that non realtime machines are more suited to looping than to other live music applications, since the latency can be compensated when the loop is played back (and thus the buffer size =latency can be long to avoid clicks). I know musicians (with exellent ears) who would not want to play through a computer but still use it as a looper. It makes sense that there is a variable delay on MIDI commands, but keyboard players would suffer it more than loopers, yet it seems that its working for them, no? Also, there are hardware units like keyboards running Linux. I guess that in the near future this question will become ordinary: "is there a PC in the box?" I see people smile when a bank machine crashes (as they do here in Brasil) and it restarts showing the Win logo :-)... So, please my friends, dont fight about what is a personal joice and especially dont spend energy to put down what works for others! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 09:48:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC6923BEF5; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003c01c5fb12$f7fc0900$ce9ffe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: Subject: New music online Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:26:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C5FB18.BBC405E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:48:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C5FB18.BBC405E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, we have a new album out that was recorded at Jodrell Bank Radio = Observatory in June 2001. There=B4s a lot of analog stuff on it, like = ARP 2600 with ARP Sequencer, Mini Moog, Moog Prodigy, Jupiter 8, TR-808, = Korg Polyphonic Ensemble 2000, Rhodes Piano and more. We have uploaded a = little tour diary on www.doombient.com, just check the "concerts" = section and go straight to "read the tour diary". There should be some = music playing in the background as soon as you enter the diary. Mind = you, there is nothing to download or nothing to click on, the music = comes in automatically. The site has been optimized for Java and IE, so = please don=B4t be surprised if Firefox or other browsers respond a = little iffy. There is some more music in the "caverna larvarum" section, = too, but with less analog content :-). Loopers used at Jodrell Bank were = a couple of Jam Men, in the "caverna" section you could add two = Echoplexes and a Repeater to the looping rig. Enjoy, apologies for having wasted bandwidth, Stephen. _________________________________________________________________________= _____________ "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith) "Hoellenengel", new album by Stephen Parsick. Street date: October 01, = 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It=B4s out: "Oughtibridge", the new [=B4ramp] album, recorded live in = England. For info and audio, please visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com [WTB]: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, = Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C5FB18.BBC405E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi folks,
 
we have a new album out that was recorded at = Jodrell Bank=20 Radio Observatory in June 2001. There=B4s a lot of analog stuff on it, = like ARP=20 2600 with ARP Sequencer, Mini Moog, Moog Prodigy, Jupiter 8, TR-808, = Korg=20 Polyphonic Ensemble 2000, Rhodes Piano and more. We have uploaded a = little tour=20 diary on www.doombient.com, = just check=20 the "concerts" section and go straight to "read the tour diary". There = should be=20 some music playing in the background as soon as you enter the diary. = Mind you,=20 there is nothing to download or nothing to click on, the music comes in=20 automatically. The site has been optimized for Java and IE, so please = don=B4t be=20 surprised if Firefox or other browsers respond a little iffy. There is = some more=20 music in the "caverna larvarum" section, too, but with less analog = content :-).=20 Loopers used at Jodrell Bank were a couple of Jam Men, in the "caverna" = section=20 you could add two Echoplexes and a Repeater to the looping = rig.
 
Enjoy, apologies for having wasted = bandwidth,
 
Stephen.


________________________________________________________= ______________________________
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this = planet,=20 you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith)
 
"Hoellenengel", new album by Stephen Parsick. = Street date:=20 October 01, 2005.
 
For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com
 
It=B4s out: "Oughtibridge", the new [=B4ramp] = album, recorded=20 live in England.
 
For info and audio, please visit the official = [=B4ramp]=20 website at www.doombient.com
 

[WTB]: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David = Keenan=20 (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet).
 
 
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----514192783185135-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 11:20:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCFA83BED8; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003c01c5fb20$52ed8430$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <004d01c5fabc$6611b7c0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:21:08 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C5FB20.51E981B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:20:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C5FB20.51E981B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I concur. This past June I had an MRI to try to find out the cause of = tinnitus-like effects (white noise at a very high pitch, when combined = with other noise completely prevents understanding what the hell people = say) and I'm sure most of us on list would realize that amongst the = populace it would be mainly LD list members that could appreciate the = noises an MRI makes. :) On the other hand I would like to get one of those programs that = interprets a graphic file and turns it into notes/tones, using the = imagery produced by the MRI of my own brain. Cool, haah? Haaah? What? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, 06 December, 2005 23:25 PM Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower = back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they = pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire = body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 = minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What = I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like = hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial = like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it = was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point = in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg = twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the = amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he = said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, = encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, = chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of = changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting = vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces = an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes = captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as = an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list? Kris ***************************************************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C5FB20.51E981B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I concur.  This past June I had an MRI to try = to find out=20 the cause of tinnitus-like effects (white noise at a very high pitch, = when=20 combined with other noise completely prevents understanding what the = hell people=20 say) and  I'm sure most of us on list would realize that = amongst the=20 populace it would be mainly LD list members that could appreciate the = noises an=20 MRI makes. :)
 
On the other hand I would like to get one of those = programs=20 that interprets a graphic file and turns it into notes/tones, using the = imagery=20 produced by the MRI of my own brain.  Cool, haah?  = Haaah? =20 What?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, 06 December, = 2005 23:25=20 PM
Subject: The MRI and Looping: = For Ambient=20 & Experimental Music?

I just had a most exhilarating = experience: my=20 first MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid down on a = sliding=20 table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere = inches=20 around my entire body.  They put large headphones on my = head, and=20 then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly = euphoric and=20 meditative state. What I heard were a series of interesting = sounds...from=20 jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre = sci-fi=20 industrial like sounds, and so on. It was delightful.  The MRI = technician=20 said it was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that = procedure. =20 At one point in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was = awoke by=20 my leg twitching.  I could have stayed in there most of the=20 day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about the source = of the=20 sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around = my body,=20 encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, = chilled=20 down to a cool minus 270 degrees.  The sounds were a result of = changes=20 they were making in the electrical current and the resulting = vibrations to the=20 machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my = back,=20 however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, I = would love to=20 have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could = use it for=20 looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental=20 looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians on the=20 list?
 
Kris
 
*****************************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational = Looping=20 Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com
Di= scography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C5FB20.51E981B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 13:00:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BB6D3BEDA; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051207130011557.87F9A70000FD@mwinf1408.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <4396DCD1.3040807@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:00:01 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category References: <43941EFC.6080403@addcom.de> <6.1.2.0.2.20051206010247.050c7a38@loopers-delight.com> <4395E511.8060305@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <4395E511.8060305@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > There is one notable thing in the looping world that is impossible for > a PC to do, and that is "brother sync" on the EDP, synchronizing two > different hardware devices with sample accuracy. You can use MIDI > sync and retrigger periodically but it isn't as good. Another point > for RTOS. No RTOS required, there is a thing called 'word clock', any proffesional audio hardware will have it. Its dead simple to syncronize two different hardware devices via wordclock. All DAW's could not live without it. I use a TC Fireworx as reverb, and simply connect it with RCA cables. The clock is perfectly in sync. > I've been giving this some thought recently, and something that may > improve the situation is to connect PCs in a network using MIDI or a > MIDI/ethernet bridge, then let the PC who defines the first cycle send > a short sysex to the others telling them exactly how many samples are > in the cycle, thereafter they synchronize using MIDI clocks. You will > still need to retrigger periodically to keep them in sync, but since > the loops all have exactly the same cycle length this will hopefully > happen less often. You can use a better technique already with OSC instead of Midi. Every event has a timestamp. Even if it comes in late, you know how to deal with it... > You would not get the phase accuracy required for a stereo mix of the > same signal, but for independent signals from different musicians it > may be enough. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. You would even get the phase accuracy if you link your hardware via word clock. Don't wait, just see... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 13:04:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FCFF3BEF8; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051207130421914.DF2441C00093@mwinf1101.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <4396DDCF.6010900@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:04:15 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:04:24 +0000 (UTC) S V G wrote: > I think Kim has stated very well and quite clearly, that non real time systems are quite > fine and adequate for many uses and users. Just not for musicians. Be aware that I am a musician, and I build my loopers myself in Max/MSP and the only issue is latency (which any RTOS has as well). But my material is delayed anyway, latency is no issue for me, could be 50ms and I'd still be fine. And if you don't use Midi for triggering, but audio instead, it will easily be sample accurate. The Mac OS X is certainly RTOS enough for me. Its for musicians obviously... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 15:29:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CCDD3BECC; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:28:46 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <68grT.A.3xF.K_vlDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:29:15 +0000 (UTC) S V G wrote: > > Are you a Musician? > > Not, do you play an instrument, rather, if we jammed together, > would I come away from that experience saying to myself, man, that > Jeff is a Real Musician... A Real Musician (tm)? Heavens no. I am however a programmer and if you worked with me you would say, man, that Jeff is a Real Programmer ;-) Seriously, I do feel that I am qualified to comment on precisely what a real-time OS can and cannot do, and whether or not I am a musician is irrelevant. 25 years ago I was a descent jazz saxophonist. For the next 15 years I spent a lot of time jamming with drum machines, digital delays, and hardware loopers. Then I had kids and now I don't have time to keep my chops in shape. So no, I am not a Real Musician, I can't blow through Giant Steps at 160 BPM but I do think my sense of timing is pretty damn good. > Perhaps answering this question may throw some light on the whole > topic under consideration. The way I see it, nobody except a musician > really gives a hoot as to whether or not a Looper has a RTOS. I think > Kim has stated very well and quite clearly, that non real time systems > are quite fine and adequate for many uses and users. Just not for > musicians. I respectfully disagree. The reasons have not been stated clearly, at least not to the level of clarity that I expect when conversing with other engineers. I'm not trying to argue, I genuinely want to understand what statements like this mean: [Kim] > Looping happens to be a very time sensitive application, since users > constantly interact with it in a rhythmic fashion and timing inaccuracies > tend to get multiplied as the loop repeats. This doesn't make any sense to me and no one has been able to offer an adequate explanation. Finally, I appreciate the kind words from others regarding Mobius, but I also want to make it clear that I'm not trying to defend Mobius, I am trying to defend the concept that it is theoretically possible to write software for a non-real-time OS that behaves adequately for musicians. All software loopers have bugs or design flaws that cause them to glitch or to introduce timing errors on occasion, Mobius is no exception. You may be surprised to learn that Mobius does not actually process MIDI events as accurately as it could. You are currently experiencing an average of 5 milliseconds of timing jitter for each command, which can result in loop length errors up to 10 milliseconds. Haven't you noticed ! :-) But you can't use a software bug as an argument for the superiority of an RTOS. All computers come out of the box with a lot of crap that has to be turned off or reconfigured in order to make them stable for music use. It is a pain in the ass, and many people understandably choose not to mess with it. But it can be done, and I think there are plenty of Real Musicians that would agree. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 15:51:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EC723BEE1; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Real-time category Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:51:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:51:23 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 7, 2005, at 2:37 AM, S V G wrote: > Are you a Musician? i think some of these arguments are a bit bass-ackwards. having been doing real-time looping since the early 70's using real tape loops and torturing reel-to-reel recorders almost anything today that loops is a quantum leap forward to me. as a video/sound artist i look for the right tool for the job. my work doesn't necessitate sync-locked looping, i use both hard & software loopers with delight, and incorporate their advantages and flaws into each piece that i do. every piece of gear is inspirational, and new paradigms lead me into new directions. the beauty of the current state of affairs is choice. there is such a plethora of options that no one can reasonably say that the bases aren't covered. being a big fan of max/msp/jitter i spend loads of time tinkering with my patches, customizing them to my particular needs, leaving out the stuff that i don't need. i've been having a lot of fun with a video looper i built - light years away from the collection of mic stands, revox machines and tape i used to use (and still do on occasion, though i love the "tape echo" setting on my dl4.) these are the days. cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 17:28:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09B5C3BEEA; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:29:43 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Real-time category In-reply-to: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c5fb53$d213fdb0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0z6rBD.A.DpB.RvxlDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:28:49 +0000 (UTC) > Not, do you play an instrument, rather, if we jammed > together, would I come away from that experience saying to > myself, man, that Jeff is a Real Musician... > > Perhaps answering this question may throw some light on > the whole topic under consideration. > The way I see it, nobody except a musician really gives a > hoot as to whether or not a Looper has a RTOS. I think Kim > has stated very well and quite clearly, that non real time > systems are quite fine and adequate for many uses and users. > Just not for musicians. > > Stephen > I have stayed out of this discussion because, as someone who is developing a sw looper, I am more than a little biased. However... I had a whole screed written out replying to this - but let me just mostly un-emotionalize it through summary. Stephen, you haven't paraphrased Kim well, and you've added (as I hope you see by now from the other responses) the very uncool implication that some people here are "real musicians" and some aren't. Most people here make sounds in their own way, almost by definition, and probably don't care much to be defamed by an uninformed judgement on their choice of technology. About the RTOS thing itself: I have always taken Kim's prominent statement about real-time loopers to be a bit on the self-serving side, but just let it go, because, well - he has a right to it! He was and is a vital creator of one of the most important (arguably, *the* most important) looping instruments ever made, and he hosts this list in a gracious and "non-partisan" manner. He (and you, Stephen) are entitled to your viewpoints. But no-one had better ever freaking imply that I'm not a musician because I use a sw looper! Them's fightin' words. Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 17:38:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF3FA3BEF5; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jMID1Ns8snMT2iP7eMsqxp6NUuqku+JKcYvUEOhV8X8zS7hTh64UjsOzf3Fz6ECHgYGacJUn+Zzr5HafN8EeyVe/yP8r56qlVlO3n0F5waQOxWhC0/sYbFxctPTcfi2CxWw3oVxGd1ogTgeNMj96YAD1DjBSUDeTwb0GEE1OP54= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:38:47 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category In-Reply-To: <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:38:48 +0000 (UTC) My understanding of the main practical difference for loopers between RTOS and non-RTOS is that in the first case there's a guarantee on the maximum time the system will take to process an event. In the case of the EDP I seem to recall 1.5ms as the magic number. Everything is read in 1.5ms, all the time. In a non-RTOS, the overall response lag may average at 1.5ms (although I seem to recall that Windows and Mac OS take slightly longer than this), but there are times when another task might have precedence, and so the looping app response drops down to something like 20ms. 20ms can be a problem if you were trying to an event (say "start recording") with an upcoming MIDI downbeat from your drum machine. If you press the switch 15ms before the downbeat, expecting that the app will read that and then wait until the next downbeat before recording starts, but instead the "start record on the next bar" waits a bar until the bar after the one which you intended. Of course, this can happen in an RTOS device, but it's much less likely with a 1.5ms response time versus a sporadic 20ms. On 12/7/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > > I respectfully disagree. The reasons have not been stated clearly, at > least not to the level of clarity that I expect when conversing > with other engineers. > > I'm not trying to argue, I genuinely want to understand what > statements like this mean: > > [Kim] > > Looping happens to be a very time sensitive application, since users > > constantly interact with it in a rhythmic fashion and timing inaccurac= ies > > tend to get multiplied as the loop repeats. > > This doesn't make any sense to me and no one has been able to offer an > adequate explanation. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 17:59:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D45B33BEEC; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:59:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcX7QyFzXlrAiIc3QPOknvncIN43twAFH71Q In-Reply-To: <003c01c5fb20$52ed8430$0207a8c0@eluk1> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:58:42 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.86.53 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20051207175937.572B03BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:59:38 +0000 (UTC) > I would like to get one of those programs that interprets a graphic file and turns it into notes/tones, using the imagery produced by the MRI of my own brain. a cheap (but fun) one for Windows: Coagula http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse for Mac, I don't know anything else but Metasynth (which costs but is awesome). Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 18:08:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4BC83BF02; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43972521.4090107@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:08:33 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Uh, yeah. Well, RTOS or non-RTOS, I've got a lot of them listed on the 2005 Looper's Survey, so if you haven't filled it out yet, please come by and do that. I'll probably shut it down in the next week or two, and start doing the stats, so don't miss out! http://loopsurvey.uncledig.com/ Maybe I'll add an RTOS vs. non-RTOS data tag to each looper, and provide some stats on that when we're done. Maybe I should have added the question: "Are you a Real Musician(tm)?" to the survey :) (Sorry, had to say it). Love and loops, D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 19:11:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CAAD3BF04; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ab01c5fb61$bdb03b50$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:09:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C5FB27.10788F80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhartung.com<) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 404, in=178942, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <_CtrV.A.UcG.RPzlDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:11:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C5FB27.10788F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the control = room of the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, two = stereo microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but = that may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small = stereo microphone attached would be good enough raw material for me! :) Your comment about the headphones explains why the headphones they put = on me were attached to plastic tubing that ran to the control = room...just the like good ol' fashion communication system in boats and = submarines! I think a mic would be fine outside the machine. When I had = my MRI, there were plenty of objects in the room around the machine...I = just couldn't have any metallic objects on my body inside it. They were = really concerned about that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when = I was a teenager, which left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, = which were removed surgically. That was enough for them to open their = manual and search for data on that caliber of gun, types of bullets, = copper vs. lead shells, etc.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Plishka=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I have connections and could probably sneak into one, the challenge is = recording it with something non-magnetic. It's been a challenge to = design headphones that won't rip off your head (read that as you like;-) = ) or mess up the images. Let me think about a technique.... -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower = back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they = pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire = body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 = minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What = I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like = hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial = like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it = was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point = in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg = twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the = amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he = said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, = encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, = chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of = changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting = vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces = an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes = captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as = an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list? Kris ***************************************************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C5FB27.10788F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That would be outstanding. Perhaps = putting the=20 recording in the control room of the MRI facility and having the wires = run into=20 the room, two stereo microphones on either side of the machine would be = ideal,=20 but that may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a = small=20 stereo microphone attached would be good enough raw material for = me! =20 :)
 
Your comment about the headphones = explains why the=20 headphones they put on me were attached to plastic tubing that ran to = the=20 control room...just the like good ol' fashion communication system in = boats and=20 submarines!  I think a mic would be fine outside the machine. When = I had my=20 MRI, there were plenty of objects in the room around the machine...I = just=20 couldn't have any metallic objects on my body inside it. They were = really=20 concerned about that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when I was = a=20 teenager, which left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, which were = removed=20 surgically. That was enough for them to open their manual and search for = data on=20 that caliber of gun, types of bullets, copper vs. lead shells,=20 etc. 

Kris
 
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To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, = 2005 5:01=20 PM
Subject: RE: The MRI and = Looping: For=20 Ambient & Experimental Music?

I=20 have connections and could probably sneak into one, the challenge is = recording=20 it with something non-magnetic.  It's been a challenge to design=20 headphones that won't rip off your head (read that as you like;-) ) or = mess up=20 the images.  Let me think about a = technique....
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, = 2005=20 5:26 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental=20 Music?

I just had a most exhilarating = experience: my=20 first MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid down on = a=20 sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube = with=20 mere inches around my entire body.  They put large = headphones on=20 my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into = a seemingly=20 euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were a series of = interesting=20 sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating = cycles,=20 bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It was = delightful. =20 The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone to actually=20 enjoy that procedure.  At one point in time, I was in = a half=20 waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching.  I could = have=20 stayed in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is = that=20 when I asked about the source of the sounds, he said they were not=20 mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased in metal, = was a=20 giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool = minus 270=20 degrees.  The sounds were a result of changes they were making = in the=20 electrical current and the resulting vibrations to the machine.=20 Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my back,=20 however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, I = would love to=20 have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could = use it=20 for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental=20 looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians on = the=20 list?
 
Kris
 
*****************************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational = Looping=20 Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com
Di= scography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C5FB27.10788F80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 19:12:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA1463BF04; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bf01c5fb62$2074a7d0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <004d01c5fabc$6611b7c0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00a301c5fac3$acdc69a0$7824d255@homemain> Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:12:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C5FB27.7202A740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 405, in=190236, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <3INqqD.A.ciG.PQzlDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:12:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C5FB27.7202A740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Mayfield=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Your experience Kris is closely related to John Cage's in the anechoic = chamber in 1948. This led on to him composing the famous piece of music = 4'33"=20 Do you have a link to a sample of this work? I'd love to hear it. "There is always something to see, something to hear. In fact try as = we may to make a silence, we cannot." John Cage Cheers Dan www.danmayfield.com www.myspace.com/danmayfield ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C5FB27.7202A740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan=20 Mayfield
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
 
Your experience Kris is closely = related to=20 John Cage's in the anechoic chamber in 1948.  This = led on to=20 him composing the famous piece of music 4'33"
 
Do you have a link to a = sample of this=20 work? I'd love to hear it.
 
"There is always something to see, = something to=20 hear. In fact try as we may to make a silence, we cannot." John=20 Cage
 
Cheers
Dan
 
www.danmayfield.com
www.myspace.com/danmayfield
------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C5FB27.7202A740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 19:17:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9960F3BF15; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:17:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43973538.5010306@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:17:12 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Sheet Music for 4'33" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9epizB.A.7rG.4UzlDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:17:12 +0000 (UTC) Here's the sheet music: Tacet :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 19:22:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4B733BF1D; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:24:31 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Sheet Music for 4'33" In-Reply-To: <43973538.5010306@pdq.net> Message-ID: References: <43973538.5010306@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:22:43 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Doug Cox wrote: > Here's the sheet music: > > Tacet > > :) Can I get the guitar tab version? The playing instructions for 4'33" for use with theremin are obviously "Off." regards, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 19:31:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBE5F3BF26; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018301c5fb64$cb678e30$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <004d01c5fabc$6611b7c0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:31:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 405, in=190248, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <6i-c7.A.IGH.HizlDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:31:19 +0000 (UTC) > So are they really bad for your hearing? > TravisH The machine I was encased in wasn't unbearable at all...in fact, with the firearm shooting headphones (exactly this, in fact, but modified with the plastic tube from the control room), the sound was perfect. Those firearm headphones filter out a lot of high end, and what I heard with them on was exquisite...no more or less louder than the volume that I use for listening to music. I wish I had turned the lights off in the dressing room when I removed the pants they provided, however, because the static electricity was unbelievable. In light of the question, where's the melody...I did discern tones, albeit very constant and industry like. I concur with Edward's comments about it sounding like a strange sci-fi moving. In fact, it sort of reminded me of Forbidden Planet and the scene where they were taking a tour of that monstrous facility under ground with all the automated machinery developed by aliens. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? So are they really bad for your hearing? TravisH On 12/6/05, David Rolling wrote: > Not for the claustrophobic. I'm no longer elegible as I have a fair amount > of (magnetic) surgical steel in my right arm. The low-tech machines that > I've experienced were VERY, VERY LOUD. Even with earplugs, it sounded like a > gang of bikers driving around & around inside my skull. I like a good beat, > but where's the melody? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 21:05:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 871763BF1D; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: 34One for sale Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:05:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5FB2E.EE990400" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcX7cfuL3h0lgsgjSNK54KVxQ2bCEw== Message-Id: <20051207210552.HQNE25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <7A9RWD.A.JLC.v60lDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:05:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5FB2E.EE990400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have this unit: http://www.ploytec.com/34one/ for sale (found it!) $80 plus shipping makes it yours. No place to put my gear in our new two bedroom condo-haven't looped for weeks! Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5FB2E.EE990400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have this = unit:

http://www.ploytec.com/34one/<= /span>

for sale (found = it!)

$80 plus shipping = makes it yours.

No place to put my = gear in our new two bedroom condo—haven’t looped for = weeks!

Gary

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5FB2E.EE990400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 21:15:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CD8F3BF2A; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:15:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5FB41.1D43B630" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00ab01c5fb61$bdb03b50$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:15:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5FB41.1D43B630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How much time would you like Kris? I'll see what I can do. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? That would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the control room of the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, two stereo microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but that may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small stereo microphone attached would be good enough raw material for me! :) Your comment about the headphones explains why the headphones they put on me were attached to plastic tubing that ran to the control room...just the like good ol' fashion communication system in boats and submarines! I think a mic would be fine outside the machine. When I had my MRI, there were plenty of objects in the room around the machine...I just couldn't have any metallic objects on my body inside it. They were really concerned about that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when I was a teenager, which left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, which were removed surgically. That was enough for them to open their manual and search for data on that caliber of gun, types of bullets, copper vs. lead shells, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Plishka To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I have connections and could probably sneak into one, the challenge is recording it with something non-magnetic. It's been a challenge to design headphones that won't rip off your head (read that as you like;-) ) or mess up the images. Let me think about a technique.... -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list? Kris ***************************************************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5FB41.1D43B630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How=20 much time would you like Kris? I'll see what I can = do.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, = 2005=20 1:09 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental=20 Music?

That would be outstanding. Perhaps = putting the=20 recording in the control room of the MRI facility and having the wires = run=20 into the room, two stereo microphones on either side of the machine = would be=20 ideal, but that may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc = recorder with=20 a small stereo microphone attached would be good enough raw material = for=20 me!  :)
 
Your comment about the headphones = explains why=20 the headphones they put on me were attached to plastic tubing that ran = to the=20 control room...just the like good ol' fashion communication system in = boats=20 and submarines!  I think a mic would be fine outside the machine. = When I=20 had my MRI, there were plenty of objects in the room around the = machine...I=20 just couldn't have any metallic objects on my body inside it. They = were really=20 concerned about that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when I = was a=20 teenager, which left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, which were = removed=20 surgically. That was enough for them to open their manual and search = for data=20 on that caliber of gun, types of bullets, copper vs. lead shells,=20 etc. 

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael Plishka
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, = 2005 5:01=20 PM
Subject: RE: The MRI and = Looping: For=20 Ambient & Experimental Music?

I=20 have connections and could probably sneak into one, the challenge is = recording it with something non-magnetic.  It's been a = challenge to=20 design headphones that won't rip off your head (read that as you = like;-) )=20 or mess up the images.  Let me think about a=20 technique....
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December = 06, 2005=20 5:26 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: The MRI and = Looping: For Ambient & Experimental = Music?

I just had a most exhilarating = experience: my=20 first MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid down = on a=20 sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like = tube with=20 mere inches around my entire body.  They put large = headphones on=20 my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into=20 a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were = a series=20 of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing = or=20 vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so = on. It was=20 delightful.  The MRI technician said it was a rarity for = someone to=20 actually enjoy that procedure.  At one point = in time, I was=20 in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg = twitching.  I=20 could have stayed in there most of the day. And the = amazing=20 thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he said = they=20 were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased = in metal,=20 was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to = a cool=20 minus 270 degrees.  The sounds were a result of changes they = were=20 making in the electrical current and the resulting vibrations to = the=20 machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of = my=20 back, however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, I = would love=20 to have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I = could use=20 it for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental=20 looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians on = the=20 list?
 
Kris
 
*****************************************************
Krispen = Hartung
Improvisational Looping=20 Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com
Di= scography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5FB41.1D43B630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 21:20:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 501C53BF3B; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01f201c5fb73$feeb9530$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:20:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EF_01C5FB39.519CDEF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 405, in=190338, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:20:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01EF_01C5FB39.519CDEF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I recall correctly, I heard about four or five unique sounds. A good = representation of all of them would be ideal, but I'm not sure if it = would require recording the whole procedure or not. I can always loop = the samples in the studio...though ideally, it would be cool to have an = entire 30 min. MRI session recorded, and I would just use that as a = backdrop for experimental looping...one LONG freakin' song. I would = also mangle sections of the MRI recording with my VST effects, such as = Antares Filter, PSP84, etc. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Plishka=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? How much time would you like Kris? I'll see what I can do. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? That would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the = control room of the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, = two stereo microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but = that may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small = stereo microphone attached would be good enough raw material for me! :) Your comment about the headphones explains why the headphones they = put on me were attached to plastic tubing that ran to the control = room...just the like good ol' fashion communication system in boats and = submarines! I think a mic would be fine outside the machine. When I had = my MRI, there were plenty of objects in the room around the machine...I = just couldn't have any metallic objects on my body inside it. They were = really concerned about that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when = I was a teenager, which left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, = which were removed surgically. That was enough for them to open their = manual and search for data on that caliber of gun, types of bullets, = copper vs. lead shells, etc.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Plishka=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental = Music? I have connections and could probably sneak into one, the = challenge is recording it with something non-magnetic. It's been a = challenge to design headphones that won't rip off your head (read that = as you like;-) ) or mess up the images. Let me think about a = technique.... -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my = lower back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they = pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire = body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 = minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What = I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like = hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial = like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it = was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point = in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg = twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the = amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he = said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, = encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, = chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of = changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting = vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces = an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 = minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for = looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list? Kris ***************************************************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_01EF_01C5FB39.519CDEF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If I recall correctly, I heard about = four or five=20 unique sounds. A good representation of all of them would be ideal, but = I'm not=20 sure if it would require recording the whole procedure or not.  I = can=20 always loop the samples in the studio...though ideally, it would be cool = to have=20 an entire 30 min. MRI session recorded, and I would just use that as a = backdrop=20 for experimental looping...one LONG freakin' song.  I would also = mangle=20 sections of the MRI recording with my VST effects, such as Antares = Filter,=20 PSP84, etc.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael=20 Plishka
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, = 2005 2:15=20 PM
Subject: RE: The MRI and = Looping: For=20 Ambient & Experimental Music?

How=20 much time would you like Kris? I'll see what I can = do.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December = 07, 2005=20 1:09 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental=20 Music?

That would be outstanding. Perhaps = putting the=20 recording in the control room of the MRI facility and having the = wires run=20 into the room, two stereo microphones on either side of the machine = would be=20 ideal, but that may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc = recorder=20 with a small stereo microphone attached would be good enough raw = material=20 for me!  :)
 
Your comment about the headphones = explains why=20 the headphones they put on me were attached to plastic tubing that = ran to=20 the control room...just the like good ol' fashion communication = system in=20 boats and submarines!  I think a mic would be fine outside the = machine.=20 When I had my MRI, there were plenty of objects in the room around = the=20 machine...I just couldn't have any metallic objects on my body = inside it.=20 They were really concerned about that. I was shot in the leg by a = .357=20 magnum when I was a teenager, which left several pieces of soft lead = in my=20 leg, which were removed surgically. That was enough for them to open = their=20 manual and search for data on that caliber of gun, types of bullets, = copper=20 vs. lead shells, etc. 

Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Michael Plishka
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, = 2005 5:01=20 PM
Subject: RE: The MRI and = Looping: For=20 Ambient & Experimental Music?

I have connections and could probably sneak into one, the = challenge=20 is recording it with something non-magnetic.  It's been a = challenge=20 to design headphones that won't rip off your head (read that as = you=20 like;-) ) or mess up the images.  Let me think about a=20 technique....
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung = [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December = 06,=20 2005 5:26 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: The MRI = and=20 Looping: For Ambient & Experimental = Music?

I just had a most exhilarating = experience:=20 my first MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid = down on=20 a sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like = tube=20 with mere inches around my entire body.  They put = large=20 headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was = eased into=20 a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What I heard = were a=20 series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, = to=20 buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like = sounds, and=20 so on. It was delightful.  The MRI technician said it was a = rarity=20 for someone to actually enjoy that procedure.  At one = point=20 in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke = by my leg=20 twitching.  I could have stayed in there most of the=20 day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about the = source of=20 the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; = rather, around=20 my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil = surrounded by=20 helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees.  The = sounds were=20 a result of changes they were making in the electrical current = and the=20 resulting vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how = all=20 that produces an image of my back, however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, = I would love=20 to have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I = could=20 use it for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more = experimental=20 looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians = on the=20 list?
 
Kris
 
*****************************************************
Krispen = Hartung
Improvisational Looping=20 Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com
Di= scography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
= ------=_NextPart_000_01EF_01C5FB39.519CDEF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 22:18:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA6593BF28; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d401c5fb7c$259f4ac0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Real-time category Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:13:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:18:00 +0000 (UTC) >recording") with an upcoming MIDI downbeat from your drum machine. If >you press the switch 15ms before the downbeat, expecting that the app >will read that and then wait until the next downbeat before recording Man, my feet just don't have 20 ms accuracy much less 1.5ms. I feel that there is no 'practical' difference. if you stand 12 feet from your speakers instead of 3 there's a difference in latency. How long does it take for the switch to engage? For my brain to tell my foot to move to click... It's all about feel anyway. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Real-time category My understanding of the main practical difference for loopers between RTOS and non-RTOS is that in the first case there's a guarantee on the maximum time the system will take to process an event. In the case of the EDP I seem to recall 1.5ms as the magic number. Everything is read in 1.5ms, all the time. In a non-RTOS, the overall response lag may average at 1.5ms (although I seem to recall that Windows and Mac OS take slightly longer than this), but there are times when another task might have precedence, and so the looping app response drops down to something like 20ms. 20ms can be a problem if you were trying to an event (say "start recording") with an upcoming MIDI downbeat from your drum machine. If you press the switch 15ms before the downbeat, expecting that the app will read that and then wait until the next downbeat before recording starts, but instead the "start record on the next bar" waits a bar until the bar after the one which you intended. Of course, this can happen in an RTOS device, but it's much less likely with a 1.5ms response time versus a sporadic 20ms. On 12/7/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > > I respectfully disagree. The reasons have not been stated clearly, at > least not to the level of clarity that I expect when conversing > with other engineers. > > I'm not trying to argue, I genuinely want to understand what > statements like this mean: > > [Kim] > > Looping happens to be a very time sensitive application, since users > > constantly interact with it in a rhythmic fashion and timing > inaccuracies > > tend to get multiplied as the loop repeats. > > This doesn't make any sense to me and no one has been able to offer an > adequate explanation. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 22:23:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E5D13BF12; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=E3T/+Ud3eDm+OZ4d6LmEmfYm2V1pZnwh/ZrgE4g4IJRDFKWWtmLlUBLoyFy1RaSbWKlYKMQG6hv7cVXBVLnVxFK8rylzUFc9XM99DxWF+DyM8xL4uoHsuwfZI0jI3v8i4hcZ9KczpVTF22TKlZwZWvEZXtdE2S4uf9eP8e/FZaI= ; Message-ID: <20051207222322.12857.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:23:22 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01f201c5fb73$feeb9530$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1223982761-1133994202=:11957" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:23:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-1223982761-1133994202=:11957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sheesh!!! who the hell shot yu in the leg with a 357 magnum? bummer... could mic a cadaver and shoot it for drum samples... i would like to hear this "magnetic resonance imaging"soundscape keep your ears on,danny/scary visionary Kris Hartung wrote: If I recall correctly, I heard about four or five unique sounds. A good representation of all of them would be ideal, but I'm not sure if it would require recording the whole procedure or not. I can always loop the samples in the studio...though ideally, it would be cool to have an entire 30 min. MRI session recorded, and I would just use that as a backdrop for experimental looping...one LONG freakin' song. I would also mangle sections of the MRI recording with my VST effects, such as Antares Filter, PSP84, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Plishka To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? How much time would you like Kris? I'll see what I can do. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? That would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the control room of the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, two stereo microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but that may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small stereo microphone attached would be good enough raw material for me! :) Your comment about the headphones explains why the headphones they put on me were attached to plastic tubing that ran to the control room...just the like good ol' fashion communication system in boats and submarines! I think a mic would be fine outside the machine. When I had my MRI, there were plenty of objects in the room around the machine...I just couldn't have any metallic objects on my body inside it. They were really concerned about that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when I was a teenager, which left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, which were removed surgically. That was enough for them to open their manual and search for data on that caliber of gun, types of bullets, copper vs. lead shells, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Plishka To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I have connections and could probably sneak into one, the challenge is recording it with something non-magnetic. It's been a challenge to design headphones that won't rip off your head (read that as you like;-) ) or mess up the images. Let me think about a technique.... -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list? Kris ***************************************************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals --0-1223982761-1133994202=:11957 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
sheesh!!! who the hell shot yu in the leg with a 357 magnum?
bummer...
could mic a cadaver and shoot it for drum samples...
i would like to hear this "magnetic resonance imaging"soundscape
keep your ears on,danny/scary visionary
Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
If I recall correctly, I heard about four or five unique sounds. A good representation of all of them would be ideal, but I'm not sure if it would require recording the whole procedure or not.  I can always loop the samples in the studio...though ideally, it would be cool to have an entire 30 min. MRI session recorded, and I would just use that as a backdrop for experimental looping...one LONG freakin' song.  I would also mangle sections of the MRI recording with my VST effects, such as Antares Filter, PSP84, etc.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music?

How much time would you like Kris? I'll see what I can do.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:09 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music?

That would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the control room of the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, two stereo microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but that may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small stereo microphone attached would be good enough raw material for me!  :)
 
Your comment about the headphones explains why the headphones they put on me were attached to plastic tubing that ran to the control room...just the like good ol' fashion communication system in boats and submarines!  I think a mic would be fine outside the machine. When I had my MRI, there were plenty of objects in the room around the machine...I just couldn't have any metallic objects on my body inside it. They were really concerned about that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when I was a teenager, which left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, which were removed surgically. That was enough for them to open their manual and search for data on that caliber of gun, types of bullets, copper vs. lead shells, etc. 

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music?

I have connections and could probably sneak into one, the challenge is recording it with something non-magnetic.  It's been a challenge to design headphones that won't rip off your head (read that as you like;-) ) or mess up the images.  Let me think about a technique....
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:26 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music?

I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire body.  They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It was delightful.  The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure.  At one point in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching.  I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees.  The sounds were a result of changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my back, however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians on the list?
 
Kris
 
*****************************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com
Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung

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Personals --0-1223982761-1133994202=:11957-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 22:41:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD2983BF06; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:41:01 -0500 From: enat21213@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7C9966F1CF26F-1ED8-18F6@mblk-r23.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: ableton live and an edp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.13 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:41:11 +0000 (UTC) i'm having trouble with sync between my edp and live.....the edp starts live up fine but it seems to take a second to stabilize the tempo and the tap read out in live varies by a bpm(from say 186 to 185) . think this might be what causing some sonic artifacts also in the material in trying to trigger. i am working with loop3 will loop 4 cure this? thanks in advance for any advice. brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 7 23:46:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B69B3BEDB; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020e01c5fb88$5e173370$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051207222322.12857.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:45:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_020B_01C5FB4D.B0D17DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 402, in=174876, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <8nJl5.A.AAH.4Q3lDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:46:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_020B_01C5FB4D.B0D17DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: daniel stevenson=20 sheesh!!! who the hell shot yu in the leg with a 357 magnum? Boy scout at camp.... > could mic a cadaver and shoot it for drum samples... You're sick, man...but I like it! i would like to hear this "magnetic resonance imaging"soundscape=20 keep your ears on, danny/scary visionary I can't wait myself, especially now that it has meaning: ruptured disc = (found out 1 hour ago) Kris Kris Hartung wrote: If I recall correctly, I heard about four or five unique sounds. A = good representation of all of them would be ideal, but I'm not sure if = it would require recording the whole procedure or not. I can always = loop the samples in the studio...though ideally, it would be cool to = have an entire 30 min. MRI session recorded, and I would just use that = as a backdrop for experimental looping...one LONG freakin' song. I = would also mangle sections of the MRI recording with my VST effects, = such as Antares Filter, PSP84, etc. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Plishka=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental = Music? How much time would you like Kris? I'll see what I can do. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental = Music? That would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the = control room of the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, = two stereo microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but = that may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small = stereo microphone attached would be good enough raw material for me! :) Your comment about the headphones explains why the headphones = they put on me were attached to plastic tubing that ran to the control = room...just the like good ol' fashion communication system in boats and = submarines! I think a mic would be fine outside the machine. When I had = my MRI, there were plenty of objects in the room around the machine...I = just couldn't have any metallic objects on my body inside it. They were = really concerned about that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when = I was a teenager, which left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, = which were removed surgically. That was enough for them to open their = manual and search for data on that caliber of gun, types of bullets, = copper vs. lead shells, etc.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Plishka=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental = Music? I have connections and could probably sneak into one, the = challenge is recording it with something non-magnetic. It's been a = challenge to design headphones that won't rip off your head (read that = as you like;-) ) or mess up the images. Let me think about a = technique.... -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental = Music? I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on = my lower back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and = they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my = entire body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the = next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative = state. What I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from = jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre = sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI = technician said it was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that = procedure. At one point in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and = was awoke by my leg twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the = day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the = sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my = body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by = helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a = result of changes they were making in the electrical current and the = resulting vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all = that produces an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 = minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for = looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list? Kris ***************************************************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals ------=_NextPart_000_020B_01C5FB4D.B0D17DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 daniel=20 stevenson
 
sheesh!!! who the hell shot yu in the leg with a 357 = magnum?
 
Boy scout at camp....
 
> could mic a cadaver and shoot it for drum samples...
 
You're sick, man...but I like = it!
 
i would like to hear this "magnetic resonance imaging"soundscape =
keep=20 your ears on, danny/scary visionary
 
I can't wait myself, especially now = that it has=20 meaning: ruptured disc (found out 1 hour ago)
 
Kris

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
If I recall correctly, I heard = about four or=20 five unique sounds. A good representation of all of them would be = ideal, but=20 I'm not sure if it would require recording the whole procedure or = not. =20 I can always loop the samples in the studio...though ideally, it = would be=20 cool to have an entire 30 min. MRI session recorded, and I would = just use=20 that as a backdrop for experimental looping...one LONG freakin' = song.=20  I would also mangle sections of the MRI recording with my VST = effects,=20 such as Antares Filter, PSP84, etc.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Michael Plishka
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December = 07, 2005=20 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: The MRI and = Looping: For=20 Ambient & Experimental Music?

How much time would you like Kris? I'll see what I can=20 do.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung = [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, = December 07,=20 2005 1:09 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental=20 Music?

That would be outstanding. = Perhaps putting=20 the recording in the control room of the MRI facility and having = the=20 wires run into the room, two stereo microphones on either side = of the=20 machine would be ideal, but that may not be feasible. Even = a basis=20 minidisc recorder with a small stereo microphone attached would = be good=20 enough raw material for me!  :)
 
Your comment about the = headphones explains=20 why the headphones they put on me were attached to plastic = tubing that=20 ran to the control room...just the like good ol' fashion = communication=20 system in boats and submarines!  I think a mic would be = fine=20 outside the machine. When I had my MRI, there were plenty of = objects in=20 the room around the machine...I just couldn't have any metallic = objects=20 on my body inside it. They were really concerned about that. I = was shot=20 in the leg by a .357 magnum when I was a teenager, which left = several=20 pieces of soft lead in my leg, which were removed surgically. = That was=20 enough for them to open their manual and search for data on that = caliber=20 of gun, types of bullets, copper vs. lead shells,=20 etc. 

Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Michael Plishka =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December = 06, 2005=20 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: The MRI = and Looping:=20 For Ambient & Experimental Music?

I have connections and could probably sneak into one, = the=20 challenge is recording it with something non-magnetic.  = It's been=20 a challenge to design headphones that won't rip off your head = (read=20 that as you like;-) ) or mess up the images.  Let me = think about=20 a technique....
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris = Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, = December 06,=20 2005 5:26 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: The = MRI and=20 Looping: For Ambient & Experimental = Music?

I just had a most = exhilarating=20 experience: my first MRI (on my lower back).  This was = amazing.=20 I laid down on a sliding table, and they pushed me into = a=20 sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire = body.  They put large headphones on my head, and then = for the=20 next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric = and=20 meditative state. What I heard were a series of interesting=20 sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or = vibrating=20 cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It = was=20 delightful.  The MRI technician said it was a rarity = for=20 someone to actually enjoy that procedure.  At one = point=20 in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was = awoke by my=20 leg twitching.  I could have stayed in there = most of the=20 day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about = the=20 source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically = generated;=20 rather, around my body, encased in metal, was a giant = electrical=20 coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270=20 degrees.  The sounds were a result of changes they were = making=20 in the electrical current and the resulting vibrations to = the=20 machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an = image of=20 my back, however.
 
...anyway, I started = thinking, I would=20 love to have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder = so that=20 I could use it for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my = more=20 experimental looping.
 
Are there any MRI = technicians on the=20 list?
 
Kris
 
*****************************************************
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http://www.krispenhartung.com=
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------=_NextPart_000_020B_01C5FB4D.B0D17DE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 00:45:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 168F83BEF8; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dZvZXAU0D93xc8jNcIzEG3ppB1Ovozm+EnzcE5fwiX1Ux5U5HXACIZVZtPqnQxoxLJb4PaL5+8MKfMNLi8i+4VF0YgBy9PcbjoqZmQqDlAp4teTPmAgyvAXe0Qtcgkfy5TJrSBUBiSfq4Kcg6xmcCtkPiPju47TESiu3Bu5bPJg= ; Message-ID: <20051208004534.95225.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:45:34 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Real-time category To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051207234601.2A6A23BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Apologies to anyone who's feathers got ruffled. I myself have a gut understanding of what Kim and Travis and others are trying to say. Let me put it yet another way. If I own a set of Roland V-drums, I would expect a RTOS engine to be driving them. Latency is not so much the issue here, any latency within reason can be adjusted to, whether consciously or otherwise. But if there is an occassional strike that causes a note to sound at anything less than when I expect it to sound based on all the other notes I'm playing, this will definately erode my sense of being able to use this machine to play in a groove. I would develop an innate distrust in the machine and whether or not I realized what sort of OS it contained, I would eventually sell it on eBay where I got it in the first place and move on. Some uses of Loopers have a requirement that is similar to what I just mentioned. Other uses have no such requirements. I myself use Loopers in both ways. I intend no insults to anyone who uses software Looper X or hardware Looper Y. Please understand that I am not trying to pick any sort of fight. Allow me to offer a fuller explanation. If in your musical studies you develop a sense of subtlety in timing (one of the prerequisites in being a Real Musician) then this is quite apparent. In my work with other musicians, I find that Real Musicians are few and far between. I play in an African Marimba ensemble where timing intracacies will make or break the music. I found myself utterly aghast one day when I learned how few people in my band (at the time) could not even clap their hands together in a steady way without perceptably speeding up or slowing down. Yet if you asked any of these people whether or not they could honorably execute such a task, most people would answer in the affirmative. If you have a sense of subtlety in musical timing issues, there are certain things that you would bring forth in a discourse such as this one we are engaged in. If you don't, you might perhaps overlook some things or treat them as if they aren't really that important. This is where I am coming from when I ask someone (with no disrepect intended) whether they are truly a musician who relies on this sense of subtlety. If these words irritate you, I apologize as that is not my intent. At the same time, an intellegent discourse on this whole subject would be all the richer if such views were allowed. With all due respect, Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 00:59:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F3983BEF3; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <8C7C9966F1CF26F-1ED8-18F6@mblk-r23.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C7C9966F1CF26F-1ED8-18F6@mblk-r23.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <19D9AB33-7144-43ED-A463-7FFAA4CEF58F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ableton live and an edp Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:59:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:59:56 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 7, 2005, at 23:41, enat21213@aol.com wrote: > i'm having trouble with sync between my edp and live.....the edp > starts live up fine but it seems to take a second to stabilize the > tempo and the tap read out in live varies by a bpm(from say 186 to > 185) . think this might be what causing some sonic artifacts also > in the material in trying to trigger. i am working with loop3 will > loop 4 cure this? If you are running Live in sync mode (i.e. as the syncing slave), as I guess you do from your description, it's normal with a "start-up" period of a second and eventually also a flickering graphic tempo display. But that's just the display and probably not the cause of whatever audio artifacts may happen on the computer. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 02:13:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BACF33BEE6; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 02:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jason W Alder" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ableton Live Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:13:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 02:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, New to this list. Anyway, I'm trying to start using Ableton for live looping. I've been using the program for a couple years with loops I've pre-made, so I know my way around it pretty well, but now want to try using it for live playing. I'm able to record an initial loop fine, but I'm having problems with then recording a second one on another track and getting it to sync right. Are there ideal quantization settings I should use? I'm guessing the problem is that it's nearly impossible to record 2 loops exactly the same length live, so eventually they're getting out of sync. Is there a setting that will make them start the same time each time? And if so, what about loops of different lengths, say a 4 beat loop and an 8 beat? Or an uneven measure length like a 4 beat and 6 beat? I've been messing with different quantizing settings, but haven't been able to get things to do what I want yet. Is it a problem that I'm not using a master clock source? Ableton has a tempo setting, but since I'm not using any other loops other than what I record on the spot, I may not be synced with it. Or should I be? Should I tap in a tempo first to get things going? All I'm trying to do is be able to play something live, have it record and begin looping immediately (which I have already accomplished), and then repeat the process on different tracks with different parts (which is where things start getting ugly). I know of someone doing this same sort of thing (successfully) with Max/MSP, which I'm going to experiment with, but since I already have some familiarity with Ableton, I'd like to try it with that, first. Thanks, Jason ___________________________ Jazz.Funk.Soul.Detroit. www.ExchangeBureauMusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 03:01:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D39A13BEF8; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ncUrZDp8Z1LR8BVNH35wS+MCXiD3qtsJxY6zp0qqMVI+b4FpuZ0T2wcSm8tgOfN3IOD3y5TfUIe9FgvDbPpWJScdrhgaB9YktqhZ3O+4Q8Hl4eVBPTwkboHpIdqZ5XB8i99Zdtez6a4kvk5ggMiP5A7FlRdY779QmupkffhBoP4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:01:19 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category In-Reply-To: <00d401c5fb7c$259f4ac0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00d401c5fb7c$259f4ac0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:01:20 +0000 (UTC) However far you stand from your speakers, and however long it takes the switch to engage are relative constants. The issue with non-RTOS tools is that they can introduce a random lag into events. If your tool is trying to keep four loops aligned with an external timing source while monitoring and responding to your input, it's crucial that those events happen "in" the software with the same timing that they occur in the physical world. You want the four loops to all keep starting at the desired point, and you want the recording of your next loop to pick up after your footswitch is pressed (some recording software is always buffering the input to accomodate its known latency--you want the start point of the actual recording to be aligned with when you pressed the switch which is hopefully aligned with the MIDI clock you're sync'ing to) and so on. You don't want a +/- 20ms rearing its head at random, yet frequently crucial moments. TravisH On 12/7/05, Tony K wrote: > >recording") with an upcoming MIDI downbeat from your drum machine. If > >you press the switch 15ms before the downbeat, expecting that the app > >will read that and then wait until the next downbeat before recording > > Man, my feet just don't have 20 ms accuracy much less 1.5ms. > > I feel that there is no 'practical' difference. if you stand 12 feet fro= m > your speakers instead of 3 there's a difference in latency. How long doe= s > it take for the switch to engage? For my brain to tell my foot to move t= o > click... > > It's all about feel anyway. > > Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 03:03:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59A403BF08; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051207214357.0240d810@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:03:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? In-Reply-To: <00ab01c5fb61$bdb03b50$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00ab01c5fb61$bdb03b50$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-55124F86; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-4397A29447AA=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:03:59 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-4397A29447AA======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1682828==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-55124F86 --=====================_1682828==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-55124F86 I was talking with one of the techs at the hospital where I work about this discussion. He told me that there is nothing metal in the room. In fact if you have a tattoo, they pack it in ice because something in the ink reacts to the high magnetism and makes it really hot. I asked about the Microphone they have in the room and he was telling me that all the communication wiring is done with fiber optics. I was wondering about using a couple of contact pickups, I have a few McIntyres kicking around here, on the door or the window and seeing what it would pickup. If I get a chance, I can ask about it if you like. paul Ontario, Canada At 02:09 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote: >That would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the control >room of the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, two >stereo microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but that >may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small stereo >microphone attached would be good enough raw material for me! :) > >Your comment about the headphones explains why the headphones they put on >me were attached to plastic tubing that ran to the control room...just the >like good ol' fashion communication system in boats and submarines! I >think a mic would be fine outside the machine. When I had my MRI, there >were plenty of objects in the room around the machine...I just couldn't >have any metallic objects on my body inside it. They were really concerned >about that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when I was a teenager, >which left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, which were removed >surgically. That was enough for them to open their manual and search for >data on that caliber of gun, types of bullets, copper vs. lead shells, etc. > >Kris > --=====================_1682828==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-55124F86 I was talking with one of the techs at the hospital where I work about this discussion. He told me that there is nothing metal in the room. In fact if you have a tattoo, they pack it in ice because something in the ink reacts to the high magnetism and makes it really hot. I asked about the Microphone they have in the room and he was telling me that all the communication wiring is done with fiber optics. I was wondering about using a couple of contact pickups, I have a few McIntyres kicking around here, on the door or the window and seeing what it would pickup. If I get a chance, I can ask about it if you like.

paul

Ontario, Canada




At 02:09 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote:

That would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the control room of the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, two stereo microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but that may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small stereo microphone attached would be good enough raw material for me!  :)
 
Your comment about the headphones explains why the headphones they put on me were attached to plastic tubing that ran to the control room...just the like good ol' fashion communication system in boats and submarines!  I think a mic would be fine outside the machine. When I had my MRI, there were plenty of objects in the room around the machine...I just couldn't have any metallic objects on my body inside it. They were really concerned about that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when I was a teenager, which left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, which were removed surgically. That was enough for them to open their manual and search for data on that caliber of gun, types of bullets, copper vs. lead shells, etc.

Kris
 
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Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <024901c5fba5$4bb22970$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ab01c5fb61$bdb03b50$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051207214357.0240d810@mail.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:12:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0246_01C5FB6A.9E881230" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Hidden (valium) (valumisw)=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 67, in=40954, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:13:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0246_01C5FB6A.9E881230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, what a challenging recording environment! What about the light = bulbs in the room? I could have sworn I saw a variety of things that had = metal on them, and I wasn't even on vallium, I swear. Let me know what = you find out. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: paul=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I was talking with one of the techs at the hospital where I work about = this discussion. He told me that there is nothing metal in the room. In = fact if you have a tattoo, they pack it in ice because something in the = ink reacts to the high magnetism and makes it really hot. I asked about = the Microphone they have in the room and he was telling me that all the = communication wiring is done with fiber optics. I was wondering about = using a couple of contact pickups, I have a few McIntyres kicking around = here, on the door or the window and seeing what it would pickup. If I = get a chance, I can ask about it if you like. paul Ontario, Canada At 02:09 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote: That would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the = control room of the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, = two stereo microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but = that may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small = stereo microphone attached would be good enough raw material for me! :) =20 Your comment about the headphones explains why the headphones they = put on me were attached to plastic tubing that ran to the control = room...just the like good ol' fashion communication system in boats and = submarines! I think a mic would be fine outside the machine. When I had = my MRI, there were plenty of objects in the room around the machine...I = just couldn't have any metallic objects on my body inside it. They were = really concerned about that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when = I was a teenager, which left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, = which were removed surgically. That was enough for them to open their = manual and search for data on that caliber of gun, types of bullets, = copper vs. lead shells, etc.=20 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0246_01C5FB6A.9E881230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow, what a challenging recording=20 environment!  What about the light bulbs in the room? I could have = sworn I=20 saw a variety of things that had metal on them, and I wasn't even on = vallium, I=20 swear. Let me know what you find out.
 
Kris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 paul
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, = 2005 8:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: The MRI and = Looping: For=20 Ambient & Experimental Music?

I was talking with one of the techs at the hospital = where I=20 work about this discussion. He told me that there is nothing metal in = the=20 room. In fact if you have a tattoo, they pack it in ice because = something in=20 the ink reacts to the high magnetism and makes it really hot. I asked = about=20 the Microphone they have in the room and he was telling me that all = the=20 communication wiring is done with fiber optics. I was wondering about = using a=20 couple of contact pickups, I have a few McIntyres kicking around here, = on the=20 door or the window and seeing what it would pickup. If I get a chance, = I can=20 ask about it if you like.

paul

Ontario,=20 Canada




At 02:09 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote:

That=20 would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the control = room of=20 the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, two stereo=20 microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but that = may not=20 be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small stereo = microphone=20 attached would be good enough raw material for me! =20 :)
 
Your comment = about the=20 headphones explains why the headphones they put on me were attached = to=20 plastic tubing that ran to the control room...just the like good ol' = fashion=20 communication system in boats and submarines!  I think a mic = would be=20 fine outside the machine. When I had my MRI, there were plenty of = objects in=20 the room around the machine...I just couldn't have any metallic = objects on=20 my body inside it. They were really concerned about that. I was shot = in the=20 leg by a .357 magnum when I was a teenager, which left several = pieces of=20 soft lead in my leg, which were removed surgically. That was enough = for them=20 to open their manual and search for data on that caliber of gun, = types of=20 bullets, copper vs. lead shells, etc.=20

Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_0246_01C5FB6A.9E881230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 03:19:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B25FF3BF28; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:19:09 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C5FB73.DD261B00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20051207214357.0240d810@mail.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:19:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C5FB73.DD261B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is amazing how strong the magnetic field is in the room. Walk in with a 6" needle about 2mm in diameter at the end of a string and watch it levitate and align itself with the field....catheters, etc. are a problem because they also will induce eddy currents and raise the temperature in the patient if blood circulation is impeded. Metal in the body isn't necessarily a problem if it has "grown into" the surrounding tissue; if it's long and thin there are eddy current problems but dislodging it in the body isn't a problem unless it's a newer implant of sorts. The internal communication is either fiber optics or old fashioned tubes depending on the system. The field obviously gets stronger the closer one is, that's why a parabolic mic from the doorway or perhaps using the tube technology in reverse would be the way to go. ~peace~ Michael -----Original Message----- From: paul [mailto:phaslem@wightman.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I was talking with one of the techs at the hospital where I work about this discussion. He told me that there is nothing metal in the room. In fact if you have a tattoo, they pack it in ice because something in the ink reacts to the high magnetism and makes it really hot. I asked about the Microphone they have in the room and he was telling me that all the communication wiring is done with fiber optics. I was wondering about using a couple of contact pickups, I have a few McIntyres kicking around here, on the door or the window and seeing what it would pickup. If I get a chance, I can ask about it if you like. paul Ontario, Canada At 02:09 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote: That would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the control room of the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, two stereo microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but that may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small stereo microphone attached would be good enough raw material for me! :) Your comment about the headphones explains why the headphones they put on me were attached to plastic tubing that ran to the control room...just the like good ol' fashion communication system in boats and submarines! I think a mic would be fine outside the machine. When I had my MRI, there were plenty of objects in the room around the machine...I just couldn't have any metallic objects on my body inside it. They were really concerned about that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when I was a teenager, which left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, which were removed surgically. That was enough for them to open their manual and search for data on that caliber of gun, types of bullets, copper vs. lead shells, etc. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C5FB73.DD261B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It is=20 amazing how strong the magnetic field is in the room.  Walk in with = a 6"=20 needle about 2mm in diameter at the end of a string and watch it = levitate and=20 align itself with the field....catheters, etc. are a problem because = they also=20 will induce eddy currents and raise the temperature in the patient if=20 blood circulation is impeded.  Metal in the body isn't = necessarily a=20 problem if it has "grown into" the surrounding tissue; if it's long and = thin=20 there are eddy current problems but dislodging it in the body isn't a = problem=20 unless it's a newer implant of sorts.
 
The=20 internal communication is either fiber optics or old fashioned tubes = depending=20 on the system. 
 
The=20 field obviously gets  stronger the closer one is, that's why a = parabolic=20 mic from the doorway or perhaps using the tube technology in reverse = would be=20 the way to go. 
 
~peace~

Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: paul=20 [mailto:phaslem@wightman.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, = 2005 9:04=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental=20 Music?

I was talking with one of the techs at the = hospital=20 where I work about this discussion. He told me that there is nothing = metal in=20 the room. In fact if you have a tattoo, they pack it in ice because = something=20 in the ink reacts to the high magnetism and makes it really hot. I = asked about=20 the Microphone they have in the room and he was telling me that all = the=20 communication wiring is done with fiber optics. I was wondering about = using a=20 couple of contact pickups, I have a few McIntyres kicking around here, = on the=20 door or the window and seeing what it would pickup. If I get a chance, = I can=20 ask about it if you like.

paul

Ontario,=20 Canada




At 02:09 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote:

That=20 would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the control = room of=20 the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, two stereo=20 microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but that = may not=20 be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small stereo = microphone=20 attached would be good enough raw material for me! =20 :)
 
Your comment = about the=20 headphones explains why the headphones they put on me were attached = to=20 plastic tubing that ran to the control room...just the like good ol' = fashion=20 communication system in boats and submarines!  I think a mic = would be=20 fine outside the machine. When I had my MRI, there were plenty of = objects in=20 the room around the machine...I just couldn't have any metallic = objects on=20 my body inside it. They were really concerned about that. I was shot = in the=20 leg by a .357 magnum when I was a teenager, which left several = pieces of=20 soft lead in my leg, which were removed surgically. That was enough = for them=20 to open their manual and search for data on that caliber of gun, = types of=20 bullets, copper vs. lead shells, etc.=20

Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C5FB73.DD261B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 03:23:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B82543BF24; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:23:26 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4397A72E.40102@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6RDzdB.A.c3F.yc6lDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > In a non-RTOS, the overall response lag > may average at 1.5ms (although I seem to recall that Windows and Mac > OS take slightly longer than this), but there are times when another > task might have precedence, and so the looping app response drops down > to something like 20ms. Yes, I get this part. This doesn't explain why these timing inaccuracies "tend to get multiplied as the loop repeats". They don't, they stay exactly the same as the loop repeats. And it doesn't explain the concern over MIDI clocks that come in at 20ms intervals anyway and are always averaged. But one thing at a time. I can't deny that it is *possible* for there to be resource contention so severe that MIDI interrupt handlers are not called quickly, and that the millisecond timer is not maintained accurately. My contention is that it is *improbable* for this situation to exist if you are following all of the common sense rules for running audio applications on a PC. It is possible for you to get into an accident every time you drive a car, yet that doesn't prevent people from driving safely. Where did this 20ms number come from, did someone measure this in a controlled scientific experiment? How often did this anomaly occur, every 10 MIDI events? Every 100? Every 10,000? Were the suggestions on musicxp.net followed? Was the anomaly measured in the interrupt callback function passed to midiInOpen, or was it measured in an application thread processing untimestamped MIDI events? It is difficult to draw conclusions without something more concrete than "it is possible, therefore it must happen frequently, and the effect must be obvious". All I can say is that I don't get 20ms of jitter in the MIDI interrupt handler. It's more like 2 or 3. And I'm not even particularly careful about what else is running. I would think that if there were a frequent 20ms delay in MIDI event processing that we would be hearing something about that from the thousands upon thousands of keyboard players and percussionists that use soft synths. Maybe I just can't hear it. Eric Johnson claims he can determine the brand of battery in his Tube Screamer by the way it sounds. Some people are gifted :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 03:39:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96E043BF24; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:39:39 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C5FB76.BA4DF0F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <024901c5fba5$4bb22970$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-M08n.A.SVG.5r6lDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:39:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C5FB76.BA4DF0F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it's non-magnetic metals you're generally okay. -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Wow, what a challenging recording environment! What about the light bulbs in the room? I could have sworn I saw a variety of things that had metal on them, and I wasn't even on vallium, I swear. Let me know what you find out. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: paul To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I was talking with one of the techs at the hospital where I work about this discussion. He told me that there is nothing metal in the room. In fact if you have a tattoo, they pack it in ice because something in the ink reacts to the high magnetism and makes it really hot. I asked about the Microphone they have in the room and he was telling me that all the communication wiring is done with fiber optics. I was wondering about using a couple of contact pickups, I have a few McIntyres kicking around here, on the door or the window and seeing what it would pickup. If I get a chance, I can ask about it if you like. paul Ontario, Canada At 02:09 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote: That would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the control room of the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, two stereo microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but that may not be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small stereo microphone attached would be good enough raw material for me! :) Your comment about the headphones explains why the headphones they put on me were attached to plastic tubing that ran to the control room...just the like good ol' fashion communication system in boats and submarines! I think a mic would be fine outside the machine. When I had my MRI, there were plenty of objects in the room around the machine...I just couldn't have any metallic objects on my body inside it. They were really concerned about that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when I was a teenager, which left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, which were removed surgically. That was enough for them to open their manual and search for data on that caliber of gun, types of bullets, copper vs. lead shells, etc. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C5FB76.BA4DF0F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If=20 it's non-magnetic metals you're = generally okay.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, = 2005=20 9:13 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental=20 Music?

Wow, what a challenging recording=20 environment!  What about the light bulbs in the room? I could = have sworn=20 I saw a variety of things that had metal on them, and I wasn't even on = vallium, I swear. Let me know what you find out.
 
Kris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 paul=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, = 2005 8:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: The MRI and = Looping: For=20 Ambient & Experimental Music?

I was talking with one of the techs at the hospital = where I=20 work about this discussion. He told me that there is nothing metal = in the=20 room. In fact if you have a tattoo, they pack it in ice because = something in=20 the ink reacts to the high magnetism and makes it really hot. I = asked about=20 the Microphone they have in the room and he was telling me that all = the=20 communication wiring is done with fiber optics. I was wondering = about using=20 a couple of contact pickups, I have a few McIntyres kicking around = here, on=20 the door or the window and seeing what it would pickup. If I get a = chance, I=20 can ask about it if you like.

paul

Ontario,=20 Canada




At 02:09 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote:

That=20 would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the control = room of=20 the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, two = stereo=20 microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but that = may not=20 be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small stereo = microphone=20 attached would be good enough raw material for me! =20 :)
 
Your comment = about the=20 headphones explains why the headphones they put on me were = attached to=20 plastic tubing that ran to the control room...just the like good = ol'=20 fashion communication system in boats and submarines!  I = think a mic=20 would be fine outside the machine. When I had my MRI, there were = plenty of=20 objects in the room around the machine...I just couldn't have any = metallic=20 objects on my body inside it. They were really concerned about = that. I was=20 shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when I was a teenager, which left = several=20 pieces of soft lead in my leg, which were removed surgically. That = was=20 enough for them to open their manual and search for data on that = caliber=20 of gun, types of bullets, copper vs. lead shells, etc.=20 =

Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C5FB76.BA4DF0F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 03:56:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE08D3BF2B; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051207224957.01fa36b8@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:55:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? In-Reply-To: References: <024901c5fba5$4bb22970$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-723E15A; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-4397AECA27E2=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:56:04 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-4397AECA27E2======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4808750==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-723E15A --=====================_4808750==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-723E15A At our hospital they are extremely careful about who does and does not get into the room. I'm not allowed beyond the control room because I've never been screened. As I understand it, one of the biggest concerns is with metal fragments that can get imbedded in the eyes if you have ever done any sort of metal grinding or surfacing. These minute particles don't affect the eyesight but should the magnet rip them out of your eyes... well you get the picture.... paul Ontario, Canada At 10:39 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote: >If it's non-magnetic metals you're generally okay. --=====================_4808750==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-723E15A At our hospital they are extremely careful about who does and does not get into the room. I'm not allowed beyond the control room because I've never been screened. As I understand it, one of the biggest concerns is with metal fragments that can get imbedded in the eyes if you have ever done any sort of metal grinding or surfacing. These minute particles don't affect the eyesight but should the magnet rip them out of your eyes... well you get the picture....

paul

Ontario, Canada



At 10:39 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote:

If it's non-magnetic metals you're generally okay.
--=====================_4808750==.ALT-- --=======AVGMAIL-4397AECA27E2=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 04:09:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11ACF3BF2C; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 04:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:05:01 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20051207224957.01fa36b8@mail.wightman.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 04:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Ok I have only read some of this thread but FWIW two years ago I underwent some back surgery and had a few MRIs. I was able to record one of them on a small handheld mini cassette which the technician graciously allowed to sit on his desk outside the actual room of the MRI. He DID look at me rather funny when I asked him if I could record the sounds but after a brief discussion he agreed. I suppose they see weirder folks. So, the point is if you don't ask you can't get it. I have been working with the source material I got for some time now and I have to agree with all the comments of how it is rhythmical, ambient, industrial, etc. In my experience in environmental sound there is nothing quite like it. FWIW I am only familiar with the enclosed MRIs. there are not "open" MRIs which I would imagine sound quite different. D_ ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 04:27:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07D953BF15; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 04:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <027701c5fbaf$bc5df550$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:27:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 404, in=179408, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 04:27:50 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Legion" > I have been working > with the source material I got for some time now and I have to agree with > all the comments of how it is rhythmical, ambient, industrial, etc. In my > experience in environmental sound there is nothing quite like it. Do you have any music to share? How clear or apparent was the sound with the recording sitting outside the room? When I had my MRI done this week, that wouldn't have worked. I was inside a very tightly sealed room, almost like a sound proofed studio with a very large door that sealed up tight. I'm thinking that using the plastic tube is a good idea, or perhap the system that the technician uses...but still a far cry from having mics right there next to the machine! It's like these are forbidden sounds, not to be recorded with hi-fi recording equipment. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 05:19:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 041283BF0F; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:19:37 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4397C269.6020302@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <00d401c5fb7c$259f4ac0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > You want the four loops to all keep starting at the desired point, and > you want the recording of your next loop to pick up after your > footswitch is pressed (some recording software is always buffering the > input to accomodate its known latency--you want the start point of the > actual recording to be aligned with when you pressed the switch which > is hopefully aligned with the MIDI clock you're sync'ing to) and so > on. You don't want a ± 20ms rearing its head at random, yet > frequently crucial moments. Not to belabor the point, but this is an interesting scenario because MIDI timing irregularities are actually even *less* important than usual. Here's why. First, it is trivial for a software looper to keep 4 parallel loops in sync. In fact as I've said elsewhere it is really hard not to have them in perfect sync. This has nothing to do with MIDI clocks, it is simply feeding samples to the sound card which is dutifully playing them at exactly 44100 samples per second. In a scenario such as this, you are better off using internal synchronization that quantizes the record start time to the start point of the other tracks, not waiting for a MIDI clock. Something similar to brother sync on an EDP. This will ensure that your loops will have exactly the same cycle size and be in perfect sync. You have to press the Record button in advance, and the rest happens automatically. If we really think there is the potential for a 20ms delay in the Record press, which I don't, but if there were I think most people can train themselves to decide they need to record more than 20ms in advance. Basically if you are doing any sort of quantizing then MIDI jitter has practically no effect. If you are slaving the looper to an external MIDI clock, well written software will be maintaining a running average, ignoring occasional extreme deviations and "interpolating" to smooth out any jitter in the clocks. Everyone does this. The nice thing about clocks is that they come in rapidly and regularly so you can guess where the next one will be with a high degree of accuracy, unless "performing" with the tempo knob is part of your act ;-) Once you've got your loops going, the looper is just counting MIDI clocks and when the expected number of clocks has passed it checks to see how far away we are from the loop start point. If we drift beyond a certain threshold the loop is retriggered. This is the approach the EDP uses. Let's say we've got a 4 second loop at 120 BPM. There are 192 MIDI clocks in this loop. Assuming for the sake of argument that one out of every 100 MIDI events is delayed 20ms, then we will experience about 2 clock anomalies in every loop. The smoothing algorithm can correct these anomalies. Basically, occasional timing irregularities in a clock are easy to correct because there are a lot of clock events. It is an irregularity in a single unquantized press of the Record button that is the potential problem because if it is delayed, you don't get another chance to correct the error. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 05:27:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 861333BF1C; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:27:38 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <027701c5fbaf$bc5df550$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:27:35 +0000 (UTC) It's like these are forbidden sounds, > not to be > recorded with hi-fi recording equipment. > I've got to have them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 09:48:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0468D3BF01; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton Live Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:48:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:48:47 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 8, 2005, at 3:13, Jason W Alder wrote: > Hello all, > New to this list. Anyway, I'm trying to start using Ableton for =20 > live looping. I've been using the program for a couple years with =20 > loops I've pre-made, so I know my way around it pretty well, but =20 > now want to try using it for live playing. I'm able to record an =20 > initial loop fine, but I'm having problems with then recording a =20 > second one on another track and getting it to sync right. Are there =20= > ideal quantization settings I should use? I'm guessing the problem =20 > is that it's nearly impossible to record 2 loops exactly the same =20 > length live, so eventually they're getting out of sync. Is there a =20 > setting that will make them start the same time each time? And if =20 > so, what about loops of different lengths, say a 4 beat loop and an =20= > 8 beat? Or an uneven measure length like a 4 beat and 6 beat? I've =20 > been messing with different quantizing settings, but haven't been =20 > able to get things to do what I want yet. Is it a problem that I'm =20 > not using a master clock source? Ableton has a tempo setting, but =20 > since I'm not using any other loops other than what I record on the =20= > spot, I may not be synced with it. Or should I be? Should I tap in =20 > a tempo first to get things going? > All I'm trying to do is be able to play something live, have it =20 > record and begin looping immediately (which I have already =20 > accomplished), and then repeat the process on different tracks with =20= > different parts (which is where things start getting ugly). I know =20 > of someone doing this same sort of thing (successfully) with Max/=20 > MSP, which I'm going to experiment with, but since I already have =20 > some familiarity with Ableton, I'd like to try it with that, first. > Thanks, > Jason If you want to quantize actions (like "start recording", "stop =20 recording", "toggle loop/clip" etc) you need synchronize your playing =20= to Live's tempo or vice versa. It's just like two musicians, they =20 have to play in the same tempo to play together. Regarding your =20 question if there is any "ideal quantization setting to use" the only =20= one that can answer is yourself. I mean, it completely depends on =20 what you play! If you never create loops of different length that =20 whole bars you may as well use one bar as the quantize value. But if =20 you want to cut loops of different length you may use shorter =20 quantize values. You can not yet change quantize value from external =20 MIDI so you have to use the mouse or press cmnd and some upper number =20= key (9 for one bar and 0 for no quantize) to jump between different =20 quantize values while playing and looping. Cmnd is on a Mac, I think =20 it's ctrl on a PC. If you should tap in tempo first? Yes, definitely! Live has no way to =20= analyze the length of your recorded first loop and calculate the =20 general tempo in relation to set quantize value (like the Echoplex, =20 SooperLooper or M=F6bius does). If you do not want to tap the tempo you =20= can start with creating a non-rhythmic loop and use some of Lives' =20 eminent effects to give you the tempo (autofilter, tremolo). If you have Live 5 you may also try to loop with the effect Ping Pong =20= delay. It has a little "F" that stands for "Freeze". Map that =20 function to a midi pedal and freeze the loop. Maximal loop length =20 with the Ping Pong delay is two bars but then you can change the =20 length of the loop, both when freezed and when overdubbing, to =20 achieve some funny rhythmic effects. If you want to do traditional =20 tape delay looping by overdubbing audio into layers while =20 manipulating the delay feedback, then a couple of PingPongs on a =20 bunch of tracks will serve you much better then recording audio clips =20= (which only gives you static loops that keep on looping until you =20 turn them off). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 11:24:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE5993BEFA; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43981831.2080501@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 06:25:37 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:24:28 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Gert Emmens of the Netherlands. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Asteroids" on Quantum Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "In a Wild Sanctuary" by Beaver and Krause on Warner Brothers Records and released in 1970. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#dec Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, December 10 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EDT / GMT-5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 13:49:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 059003BF08; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:50:08 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Real-time category In-reply-to: <20051208004534.95225.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01b001c5fbfe$4d87af50$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:49:01 +0000 (UTC) > > Apologies to anyone who's feathers got ruffled. I > myself have a gut understanding of what Kim and Travis and > others are trying to say. Let me put it yet another way. > > If I own a set of Roland V-drums, I would expect a RTOS > engine to be driving them. Latency is not so much the issue > here, any latency within reason can be adjusted to, whether > consciously or otherwise. But if there is an occassional > strike that causes a note to sound at anything less than when > I expect it to sound based on all the other notes I'm > playing, this will definately erode my sense of being able to > use this machine to play in a groove. I would develop an > innate distrust in the machine and whether or not I realized > what sort of OS it contained, I would eventually sell it on > eBay where I got it in the first place and move on. > > Some uses of Loopers have a requirement that is similar > to what I just mentioned. Other uses have no such > requirements. I myself use Loopers in both ways. I intend > no insults to anyone who uses software Looper X or hardware > Looper Y. Please understand that I am not trying to pick any > sort of fight. Well, OK, but you are (as Kim originally did, IMO, although it was less true when the RTOS statement was first displayed on the LD web site, years ago) setting up a "straw man" so you can knock it down - who here has a sw looper which experiences weird perceptible delays in response? I would throw such a thing out myself. Computers are so fast these days that the issue is moot, IMO, unless you're running an old, underpowered computer or just running too many programs on it at once. It just doesn't happen (someone contradict me if I'm wrong). No-one would suggest that running an audio program on a computer not equipped to handle it is a good idea, "real" musician or no. > > subtlety. If these words irritate you, I apologize as that > is not my intent. At the same time, an intellegent discourse > on this whole subject would be all the richer if such views > were allowed. > OK, let's talk. I still find your distinction specious. A master is just someone with a basic talent who keeps at it for a long time and has good teachers or mentors. In other words, among the time-impaired members of your marimba ensemble, some of those people may be far better players than you in 10 years. Or they may be far better at ambient sounds or punk rock or hip-hop production right now that you are. We're all somewhere on a path (actually, multiple paths). Could you hold your own on a stage with, say, Chick Corea and Gary Burton? If not, I might say that you don't qualify as a master musician (or at least as a master jazz player) - but it wouldn't necessarily make me think that you weren't a "real" musician. (and then the question is, could either of those masters handle a looper and find things to do with it as well as, say, *I* could? Maybe not. So mastery is rather genre-specific, no? Could you, with your subtle timing and all, play in a classical orchestra? Can you read music fluently? Are you allowed to be a Real Musician if you don't read? Who says so? And wouldn't really being a Real Musician mean that you could play at least one woodwind, one stringed instrument and one percussion instrument? And isn't it likely that an Indian tabla master would find that all western ideas of rhythmic precision were sloppy, so you'd need to at least raise yourself to the rhythmic sophistication of such a master? Where does it end? Where does it begin?) To me, being a Real Musician has a lot to do with your attitude towards other musicians... If being a Real Musician means being able to function at a professional level in classical, jazz, rock, world, electronic and bluegrass environments all in the same week, well, then I gotta agree with you, they are few and far between, and I'm not one of them. If it means less than that, what does it mean at all? At any rate, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the vast majority of the people contributing to this list have pretty advanced musical sensibilities and a pretty precise sense of timing (just go listen to some of the music), so that premising a conversation on the assumption that a lot of the people here just may not be so demanding seems kind of ridiculous. I, too, have indeed met some "musicians" (in post-grad studies in music) who couldn't count to 32 (to hit the *one* supremely important stroke on the big gong that defines the end of the Balungan in Balinese music), and it has made me snicker ungenerously at them behind my hand, or roll my eyes - but I don't talk to a crowd like this assuming that many are like those poor misdirected souls. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 14:03:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D5DE3BF28; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ozYP4hsMYIVXXChEz/TYfQ0czysQ/sgRerLZ5CaRJsc/RB2u5+pHY9mSowtjUtxG; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005124814827560@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: bonkbonkklankklankRE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:08:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94019c2441d1bb68326fa30a142a28ed64f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:03:28 +0000 (UTC) My MRI experiences were awe-inspiring... sadly, I was too freaked out to think about how cool the sounds were, but in retrospect they'd be great for industrial/dark ambient. KLAANG KLAANG BONKBONKBONKBONK KLAANG KLANG...VRRRR...BONKBONKBONK ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Michael Plishka > To: > Date: 12/8/2005 12:27:35 AM > Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? > > It's like these are forbidden sounds, > > not to be > > recorded with hi-fi recording equipment. > > > > I've got to have them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 15:03:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6F9A3BF29; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G4ZP1sOzJST6HZcE4tQ5FKCR7IEJF2hixSLBEbBRBPkWho1W/e62P2hcstg10U9qpnNq8bKL59FADqIWiXQWyvR2EhncfBEpPdWY9AKdDpmK8edUTnPCy7BYpkvi+zEqEmDhkX2i/hPzi1jkvwt2T2omx7snV5fJJKPqFKr0MiI= Message-ID: <64b81a780512080703l706024f5l5154d4b0250a3fc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:03:05 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20051207214357.0240d810@mail.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ab01c5fb61$bdb03b50$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051207214357.0240d810@mail.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Regarding the exploding tatoos in an MRI, the Mythbusters TV show addressed this very myth in episode 19. Links... Mythbusters: Summary of the episode in question (scroll down for MRI tatoo segment): Non-audio related, but interesting none the less. Todd On 12/7/05, paul wrote: > I was talking with one of the techs at the hospital where I work about t= his > discussion. He told me that there is nothing metal in the room. In fact i= f > you have a tattoo, they pack it in ice because something in the ink react= s > to the high magnetism and makes it really hot. I asked about the Micropho= ne > they have in the room and he was telling me that all the communication > wiring is done with fiber optics. I was wondering about using a couple of > contact pickups, I have a few McIntyres kicking around here, on the door = or > the window and seeing what it would pickup. If I get a chance, I can ask > about it if you like. > > paul > > Ontario, Canada > > > > > > At 02:09 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote: > > > That would be outstanding. Perhaps putting the recording in the control r= oom > of the MRI facility and having the wires run into the room, two stereo > microphones on either side of the machine would be ideal, but that may no= t > be feasible. Even a basis minidisc recorder with a small stereo microphon= e > attached would be good enough raw material for me! :) > > Your comment about the headphones explains why the headphones they put o= n > me were attached to plastic tubing that ran to the control room...just th= e > like good ol' fashion communication system in boats and submarines! I th= ink > a mic would be fine outside the machine. When I had my MRI, there were > plenty of objects in the room around the machine...I just couldn't have a= ny > metallic objects on my body inside it. They were really concerned about > that. I was shot in the leg by a .357 magnum when I was a teenager, which > left several pieces of soft lead in my leg, which were removed surgically= . > That was enough for them to open their manual and search for data on that > caliber of gun, types of bullets, copper vs. lead shells, etc. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 15:26:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D25873BF3B; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051208101301.01ef6828@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:26:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? In-Reply-To: <64b81a780512080703l706024f5l5154d4b0250a3fc0@mail.gmail.co m> References: <00ab01c5fb61$bdb03b50$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051207214357.0240d810@mail.wightman.ca> <64b81a780512080703l706024f5l5154d4b0250a3fc0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-763FE96 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:26:56 +0000 (UTC) I'm quite sure that no one has said that tattoo's explode, but they do sometimes get uncomfortably hot, which is why they pack the area with ice. Of course all hospital policy and procedures are driven by libel issues ie: if there is a slight chance, maybe 1 in a 1000 that someone will recieve a burn from a tattoo getting hot while receiving a MRI; that person might decide to sue the hospital for not taking enough precautions to prevent that burn from happening or advising a person that it could happen. To tie that into what we do..... one of the techs that got my last recording said that he enjoyed it because it was sooo relaxing, that perhaps I should have a warning label ...... Do not listen to this while driving ........ Somehow, I'm not sure if I want to take that as a compliment... paul Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca At 10:03 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote: >Regarding the exploding tatoos in an MRI, the Mythbusters TV show >addressed this very myth in episode 19. Links... > >Mythbusters: >Summary of the episode in question (scroll down for MRI tatoo segment): > > >Non-audio related, but interesting none the less. > >Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 16:56:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17FC13BF2C; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:56:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20051208101301.01ef6828@mail.wightman.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:56:23 +0000 (UTC) It's not just tattoos. Certain types of cosmetics contain irons as well and these can warm up. ~peace~ Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: paul [mailto:phaslem@wightman.ca] > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:27 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? > > > I'm quite sure that no one has said that tattoo's explode, but they do > sometimes get uncomfortably hot, which is why they pack the area with > ice. Of course all hospital policy and procedures are driven by libel > issues ie: if there is a slight chance, maybe 1 in a 1000 that > someone will > recieve a burn from a tattoo getting hot while receiving a MRI; > that person > might decide to sue the hospital for not taking enough precautions to > prevent that burn from happening or advising a person that it > could happen. > To tie that into what we do..... one of the techs that got my last > recording said that he enjoyed it because it was sooo relaxing, that > perhaps I should have a warning label ...... Do not listen to this while > driving ........ Somehow, I'm not sure if I want to take that as a > compliment... > > > paul > > Ontario, Canada > www.dulcify.ca > > > > > > At 10:03 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote: > > >Regarding the exploding tatoos in an MRI, the Mythbusters TV show > >addressed this very myth in episode 19. Links... > > > >Mythbusters: >Summary of the episode in question (scroll down for MRI tatoo segment): > > >Non-audio related, but interesting none the less. > >Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 18:05:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 441DC3BF32; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 88c0261f092df26e73db21d3042cf2aa Received-SPF: pass (enugu.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.9 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.9; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[192.168.1.2]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4380C23C.1000400@pdq.net> <01f101c5ee07$688f4a10$5afca8c0@alhambra> <4381DB2A.6050404@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:01:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Our own looping wiki? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:05:53 +0000 (UTC) wow... should we care for a security copy somewhere? not that he would have mentioned any intention to give it up, but we never know what will happen... >The mailing list archived body of information would be orphaned if Kim >decided to stop paying for the hosting and bandwidth, which is what I >was referring to. > >TravisH > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 18:45:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0F793BF2D; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02c601c5fc27$6e8c4de0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:44:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02C3_01C5FBEC.C070F8D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.cis.rit.edu) (http://ww) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 405, in=179802, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:45:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02C3_01C5FBEC.C070F8D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI: from http://ucdirc.ucdavis.edu/facilities/index.php (see excerpt = below). This machine looks exactly like the one I was in. Article = discusses audio capturing techniques. This URL has a sound clip of the MRI scan: = http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/chap-13.htm Direct Link to wav file: = http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/sounds/se-1.wav (it is only = one of many of the sounds...probably the most uninspiring in my = opinion). There must be more of these on the web somewhere. Kris Auditory System: Auditory stimuli are presented during scanning via a = high-fidelity system designed for the MR environment (MR confon GmbH, = 39118 Magdeburg, Germany). The headphones contain electrostatic = transducers for a broad, flat frequency response and construction-grade = Peltor earmuffs for passive damping of gradient noise. By using = electrostatic rather than pneumatic transduction, this system produces = sound quality comparable to a home stereo, with 88dB signal-to-noise = ratio (SNR) and high channel separation. During a functional MRI = scanning session, sounds can be presented at detection-threshold levels = between "sparse" acquisitions or at conversational levels (approx. 75-80 = dB) during continuous scanning. Active Noise Cancellation (ANC) in the = headphones will further reduce the gradient noise and create a quieter = environment for subjects. ANC is under final pre-release testing at = MR-Confon, and the UC Davis IRC will be one of the first centers to use = ANC in fMRI research. For communication from the subject, the subject's = voice is transmitted to the scan operator via Phone-OR, an = MR-compatible, optical microphone mounted on the headphones (Magmedix, = Inc., Fitchburg, MA, 01420). This microphone system suppresses gradient = noise from the transmitted audio signal, using both simple subtraction = and advanced algorithms based on speech-recognition. Combined with the = MR confon system, extremely clear bidirectional (subject to/from = operator) communication is possible during scanning to provide excellent = audio SNR for voice-key applications.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Legion" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? >=20 > Ok I have only read some of this thread but FWIW two years ago I = underwent > some back surgery and had a few MRIs. I was able to record one of them = on > a small handheld mini cassette which the technician graciously allowed = to > sit on his desk outside the actual room of the MRI. He DID look at me > rather funny when I asked him if I could record the sounds but after a > brief discussion he agreed. I suppose they see weirder folks. >=20 > So, the point is if you don't ask you can't get it. I have been = working > with the source material I got for some time now and I have to agree = with > all the comments of how it is rhythmical, ambient, industrial, etc. In = my > experience in environmental sound there is nothing quite like it.=20 >=20 > FWIW I am only familiar with the enclosed MRIs. there are not "open" = MRIs > which I would imagine sound quite different. >=20 > D_ >=20 > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we = started..." >=20 > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_02C3_01C5FBEC.C070F8D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FYI: from http://ucdirc.ucdavis.edu/facilities/index.php (see excerpt below). This machine looks exactly like the = one I was=20 in. Article discusses audio capturing techniques.
 
This URL has a sound clip of the MRI = scan: http://ww= w.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/chap-13.htm
 
Direct Link to wav file: http:= //www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/sounds/se-1.wav (it=20 is only one of many of the sounds...probably the most uninspiring in my=20 opinion).  There must be more of these on the web = somewhere.
 
Kris

Auditory System: Auditory stimuli are = presented=20 during scanning via a high-fidelity system designed for the MR = environment (MR=20 confon GmbH, 39118 Magdeburg, Germany). The headphones contain = electrostatic=20 transducers for a broad, flat frequency response and construction-grade = Peltor=20 earmuffs for passive damping of gradient noise. By using electrostatic = rather=20 than pneumatic transduction, this system produces sound quality = comparable to a=20 home stereo, with 88dB signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) and high channel = separation.=20 During a functional MRI scanning session, sounds can be presented at=20 detection-threshold levels between "sparse" acquisitions or at = conversational=20 levels (approx. 75-80 dB) during continuous scanning. Active Noise = Cancellation=20 (ANC) in the headphones will further reduce the gradient noise and = create a=20 quieter environment for subjects. ANC is under final pre-release testing = at=20 MR-Confon, and the UC Davis IRC will be one of the first centers to use = ANC in=20 fMRI research. For communication from the subject, the subject's = voice=20 is transmitted to the scan operator via Phone-OR, an MR-compatible, = optical=20 microphone mounted on the headphones (Magmedix, Inc., Fitchburg, MA,=20 01420). This microphone system suppresses gradient noise from = the=20 transmitted audio signal, using both simple subtraction and advanced = algorithms=20 based on speech-recognition. Combined with the MR confon system, = extremely clear=20 bidirectional (subject to/from operator) communication is possible = during=20 scanning to provide excellent audio SNR for voice-key applications. =

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Legion" <legion@helpwantedproductions.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:05 = PM
Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For = Ambient &=20 Experimental Music?

>
> Ok I have only read some of this thread but FWIW = two years=20 ago I underwent
> some back surgery and had a few MRIs. I was able = to=20 record one of them on
> a small handheld mini cassette which the=20 technician graciously allowed to
> sit on his desk outside the = actual room=20 of the MRI. He DID look at me
> rather funny when I asked him if I = could=20 record the sounds but after a
> brief discussion he agreed. I = suppose they=20 see weirder folks.
>
> So, the point is if you don't ask = you can't=20 get it. I have been working
> with the source material I got for = some time=20 now and I have to agree with
> all the comments of how it is = rhythmical,=20 ambient, industrial, etc. In my
> experience in environmental = sound there=20 is nothing quite like it.
>
> FWIW I am only familiar with = the=20 enclosed MRIs. there are not "open" MRIs
> which I would imagine = sound=20 quite different.
>
> D_
>
>=20 ___________________________________________________________________
&g= t; HELP=20 WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com
> "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic = music since=20 we started..."
>
> Home of the Unusual Instrument and = Recording=20 Gallery with pictures and
> info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, = weird=20 guitars, Casios, and more.
>
>
>
>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_02C3_01C5FBEC.C070F8D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 19:37:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F1093BF35; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:37:09 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5FBFC.7CC51BB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <02c601c5fc27$6e8c4de0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:37:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5FBFC.7CC51BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I contacted Psychology Software Tools as they provide recordings for simulate MR environments. I will keep you posted on the response. ~peace~ Michael -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? FYI: from http://ucdirc.ucdavis.edu/facilities/index.php (see excerpt below). This machine looks exactly like the one I was in. Article discusses audio capturing techniques. This URL has a sound clip of the MRI scan: http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/chap-13.htm Direct Link to wav file: http://www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/sounds/se-1.wav (it is only one of many of the sounds...probably the most uninspiring in my opinion). There must be more of these on the web somewhere. Kris Auditory System: Auditory stimuli are presented during scanning via a high-fidelity system designed for the MR environment (MR confon GmbH, 39118 Magdeburg, Germany). The headphones contain electrostatic transducers for a broad, flat frequency response and construction-grade Peltor earmuffs for passive damping of gradient noise. By using electrostatic rather than pneumatic transduction, this system produces sound quality comparable to a home stereo, with 88dB signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) and high channel separation. During a functional MRI scanning session, sounds can be presented at detection-threshold levels between "sparse" acquisitions or at conversational levels (approx. 75-80 dB) during continuous scanning. Active Noise Cancellation (ANC) in the headphones will further reduce the gradient noise and create a quieter environment for subjects. ANC is under final pre-release testing at MR-Confon, and the UC Davis IRC will be one of the first centers to use ANC in fMRI research. For communication from the subject, the subject's voice is transmitted to the scan operator via Phone-OR, an MR-compatible, optical microphone mounted on the headphones (Magmedix, Inc., Fitchburg, MA, 01420). This microphone system suppresses gradient noise from the transmitted audio signal, using both simple subtraction and advanced algorithms based on speech-recognition. Combined with the MR confon system, extremely clear bidirectional (subject to/from operator) communication is possible during scanning to provide excellent audio SNR for voice-key applications. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Legion" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? > > Ok I have only read some of this thread but FWIW two years ago I underwent > some back surgery and had a few MRIs. I was able to record one of them on > a small handheld mini cassette which the technician graciously allowed to > sit on his desk outside the actual room of the MRI. He DID look at me > rather funny when I asked him if I could record the sounds but after a > brief discussion he agreed. I suppose they see weirder folks. > > So, the point is if you don't ask you can't get it. I have been working > with the source material I got for some time now and I have to agree with > all the comments of how it is rhythmical, ambient, industrial, etc. In my > experience in environmental sound there is nothing quite like it. > > FWIW I am only familiar with the enclosed MRIs. there are not "open" MRIs > which I would imagine sound quite different. > > D_ > > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5FBFC.7CC51BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 contacted Psychology Software Tools as they provide recordings for = simulate MR=20 environments.  I will keep you posted on the = response.
 
~peace~

Michael
 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5FBFC.7CC51BB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 20:37:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE9B53BF36; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004d01c5fc37$51ce42c0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: VST Streaming Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:37:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C5FC0D.48FF6A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:37:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C5FC0D.48FF6A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I saw this posted on the Mulch list and figured that people here may be = interested. It's a VST that streams audio from one VST host to another. = Very cool. http://www.elevayta.com/ Look at Stream Boy. Tony ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C5FC0D.48FF6A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I saw this posted on the Mulch list and = figured=20 that people here may be interested.  It's a VST that streams audio = from one=20 VST host to another.  Very cool.
 
http://www.elevayta.com/
 
Look at Stream Boy.
 
Tony
------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C5FC0D.48FF6A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 21:02:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CD4E3BF4F; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <0C8E9148-5178-443C-8191-5FB743DB4320@mem.li> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: zurrigo Subject: more EDP noise Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:02:47 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp-03.tornado.cablecom.ch X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-spamcheck-02.tornado.cablecom.ch-Metrics: smtp-03.tornado.cablecom.ch 32701; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:02:51 +0000 (UTC) sorry for interrupting all your MRI bonk bonk klonk klonk but apart from that thump noise on my EDP i have had a serious high- pitch wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on the plex' output for a couple of weeks whenever a loop is recorded (most audible with an empty loop, naturally) pitch is about a b''' - what could that be? thanks again for your help phil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 21:40:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 405613BF40; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:40:23 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > My understanding of the main practical difference for loopers between > RTOS and non-RTOS is that in the first case there's a guarantee on the > maximum time the system will take to process an event. This is correct. > In the case of the EDP I seem to recall 1.5ms as the magic number. The technical term RTOS in the computer world is used only if it where in the range of microseconds, this is 1000 times faster as you claim it would be a RTOS. Otherwise an old Apple II with its old operating system would have had already a realtime operating system. (I did nice realtime Midi stuff on such a machine ;-) > Everything is read in 1.5ms, all the time. > In a non-RTOS, the overall response lag > may average at 1.5ms (although I seem to recall that Windows and Mac > OS take slightly longer than this), but there are times when another > task might have precedence, and so the looping app response drops down > to something like 20ms. You might refer here to computer keyboard or mouse clicks, I don't know, I never assume these as part of my instrument, they are only an aid for navigation, not for playing the music. If the timing jitter of an EDP is really 1,5 ms, then its much, much less accurate than my software looper. If I need, I could have it sample accurate (trigger with audio), this would be more than 50 times more accurate than that specific hardware looper. But I guess other loopers are not that bad ;-) Before using technical terms it might be a good advice to check the Wikipedia to be sure what you are talking about. Here is a quote from the RTOS entry: "On a 20MHz 68000 processor, task switch times run about 20 microseconds with two tasks ready. 100 MHz ARM CPUs switch in a few microseconds." Thats the time it needs to switch from an interupt (incoming Midi event for example) to deal with this event. 20 microseconds on a 20MHz 68000.... I run a 1,5 GHz Powerbook with a PPC, I guess its probably more in the range of nano seconds... The hardware which is on audio interfaces by the way, has its own "RTOS" to accomplish the steady stream of samples. If I have a constant latency, I know it by heart (as being a musician). Jitter or timing uncertainty would be a problem though, even if its as low as 1.5 ms. But to avoid this is more a question of how I write the software than a question of my operating system (Well, I usually avoid Loosedoze as OS, so I do not have any expierience with it...) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 21:48:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E3C23BF51; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006001c5fc40$ba9412e0$4c9ffe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <0C8E9148-5178-443C-8191-5FB743DB4320@mem.li> Subject: Re: more EDP noise Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:39:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:48:54 +0000 (UTC) I know the problem, mine does that, too. It´s the older version of the white Oberheim EDPs, with the smaller, more spindly knobs. I have the impression that it´s some kind of scling noise on the input that starts to build up within the loop. It´s annoying, and I think I´m going to have it fixed some day or other. Stephen ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: zurrigo To: Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: more EDP noise > sorry for interrupting all your MRI bonk bonk klonk klonk > > but apart from that thump noise on my EDP i have had a serious high- > pitch wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on the plex' output for a couple of weeks > whenever a loop is recorded (most audible with an empty loop, naturally) > > pitch is about a b''' - what could that be? > > thanks again for your help > > phil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 22:25:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A396E3BF3A; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ks3jp3Du1TwXMkaRZTA4px2/6RDLEL8GDARx1ThqVDbrIF9JjtJnUpQ/u+3b5GS2w870JM0/KMDZpClAx8bHTdKb4wH6+7j66jp7ISR6j+5Ka3qM/LCI4ULdtw4ZTYEJfVOOTgFgd12oQTZZpM00omf8EodbimedzV6P+met1vk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:25:33 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category In-Reply-To: <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:25:35 +0000 (UTC) I don't think Wikipedia is a great source of definitive technical data, but in the RTOS entry therein I do see where the two examples it cites are in range of microseconds. The matter that I was discussing was actually related to the period that elapses between when a MIDI event is received by the EDP (a "Record" message for example) and when the EDP can actually begin recording. Again, my understanding is that the EDP was designed so that the lapse between command and execution is constant, and I believe that constant is 1.5ms. A constant 1.5ms seems to be plenty accurate enough for musicians needs in this context (looping). If you're doing engine management on a rocket, it may be woefully slow. I'm not talking about MIDI jitter in this case, but the response time between user commands and execution. And the RTOS vs. non-RTOS tool debate that I believed I was participating in concerned the issue of personal computer operating systems being a bit of obstacle to providing a constant command latency figure. Most people are aware that it's a good idea to turn off your network connection, quit out of all other programs, disable energy saving features, etc. when you're running many music applications. What I was referring to was the potential of unanticipated delays in processing commands within an audio application which are a result of OS design that are possibly beyond the ability of a regular user to address. Changing control panel settings and preferences wouldn't affect these problems because they happen at lower levels of the OS than the standard user interface can affect, and are possibly tied in with the particular hardware design of the computer in question, hence the importance of checking for "preferred chip sets" and such when buying a computer for audio purposes. Earlier someone mentioned that modern computers are so fast that this isn't much of an issue, and I'd say that potentially it's not an issue for a given set of tasks, but many people have the experience of loading down HD recording software with a too-heavy load of plug-ins, tracks and edit points no matter how fast the computer is. The display stops keeping pace with playback, recorded audio may get choppy, MIDI and audio tracks lose sync, and eventually you get an error or a crash. With something like the EDP, the UI has been optimised and stripped down to a set of possibilities that esentially prevent this from happening given the overall performance of the system. Again, I've always been referring to looping-type tools, not soft synths or amp simulators or what have you. TravisH On 12/8/05, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > My understanding of the main practical difference for loopers between > > RTOS and non-RTOS is that in the first case there's a guarantee on the > > maximum time the system will take to process an event. > > This is correct. > > > In the case of the EDP I seem to recall 1.5ms as the magic number. > > The technical term RTOS in the computer world is used only if it where > in the range of microseconds, this is 1000 times faster as you claim it > would be a RTOS. Otherwise an old Apple II with its old operating system > would have had already a realtime operating system. (I did nice realtime > Midi stuff on such a machine ;-) > > > Everything is read in 1.5ms, all the time. > > In a non-RTOS, the overall response lag > > may average at 1.5ms (although I seem to recall that Windows and Mac > > OS take slightly longer than this), but there are times when another > > task might have precedence, and so the looping app response drops down > > to something like 20ms. > > You might refer here to computer keyboard or mouse clicks, I don't know, > I never assume these as part of my instrument, they are only an aid for > navigation, not for playing the music. > > If the timing jitter of an EDP is really 1,5 ms, then its much, much > less accurate than my software looper. If I need, I could have it sample > accurate (trigger with audio), this would be more than 50 times more > accurate than that specific hardware looper. But I guess other loopers > are not that bad ;-) > > Before using technical terms it might be a good advice to check the > Wikipedia to be sure what you are talking about. Here is a quote from > the RTOS entry: > > "On a 20MHz 68000 processor, task switch times run about 20 microseconds > with two tasks ready. 100 MHz ARM CPUs switch in a few microseconds." > > Thats the time it needs to switch from an interupt (incoming Midi event > for example) to deal with this event. 20 microseconds on a 20MHz 68000...= . > I run a 1,5 GHz Powerbook with a PPC, I guess its probably more in the > range of nano seconds... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 8 22:26:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 370DD3BF2B; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hQ606L1Bee/mAqSi0HxYjpOB21gEpZz+leegQKGKj1GEs7/S0+pdnFk3Be96vCK3Hvlkme0lUDHoeRL9hKYScdtqVlzaCH4owaf5SQp0xoO9Mu8Ocm1QDdMn1QUbPU61qIjRMUYXpjlp8T4qXJ7Gv7cSABMZAjJ1yKzyqOy2dwo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:26:49 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more EDP noise In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0C8E9148-5178-443C-8191-5FB743DB4320@mem.li> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Does this happen with the mix at 100% and when it's at 0% (dry)? TravisH On 12/8/05, zurrigo wrote: > sorry for interrupting all your MRI bonk bonk klonk klonk > > but apart from that thump noise on my EDP i have had a serious high- > pitch wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on the plex' output for a couple of weeks > whenever a loop is recorded (most audible with an empty loop, naturally) > > pitch is about a b''' - what could that be? > > thanks again for your help > > phil > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 03:53:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB7CE3BED8; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 03:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,232,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="181862027:sNHT27622224" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:46:52 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance -- Immersions --- Hyde Park, MA 12.17.05 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 03:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, The next Immersions event will occur on Saturday, Dec. 17 at 8:PM, at Artists at Large, which is at the First Congregational Church, 6 Webster Street at the intersection of Webster and River in Hyde Park. "Immersions" is a monthly genre-crossing intermedia improvisation series built around the core of Doctor T (Video) of Doctor T (Video), Dean Stiglitz (ElectroFlute and Electronics) and Ramona Herboldsheimer.The performance is a dialog between music and imagery, with the performers in each medium reacting to the other. We will be joined by guest artist's Bob McCloskey on reeds and percussion, and, for the second set, Glynnis (DragonWoman) Loman on cello. Last month's immersions was sparkling, with a spacy first set by Dean, Ramona, and Dr. T, and Glynnis Loman breathing cello fire on us for the second set. Phone 617-276-3223. Directions http://artistsatlargeinc.org/directions.html -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 04:00:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B37A3BEDE; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 04:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=hUke3ADV9XzrXYFBD301ls+a9CvaonanT+7uA11JywySsgVcbOwGyimnLdXX/HwzGOxW1ai6qzBmJHh/Xd2hBh7phFrO/LtWhuXeYOIiuK8oKKWwXgocqH6EOEXNoV1VbGi4g7NIgpUPx6MPgTEZrX9htX4/NVXlZKlawlHK62A= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:00:17 -0500 From: Tony Hughes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: performance looping ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29636_30778238.1134100817645" Resent-Message-ID: <21IfvB.A.tpC.TFQmDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 04:00:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29636_30778238.1134100817645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I am a performance artist and have recently become interested in using loop= s as ambient backgrounds for my performances. I have looked at the hardware (mainly boss rc-20xl and digitech jamman =3D based on price range, under 50= 0$ and performance capability). I bought the jamman and have been playing wit= h it obsessively. There is one important thing that I want to do that I seem to be unable to complete. I want to be able to build a loop with multiple samples and then unbuild it back to the original sample. I can layer samples into the loop, but cannot undo past the one undo that you are given. I can do this in a studio setting by creating loop one, copying it onto loop two and then adding a sample overdub and copying to loop three etc...but I would like to be able to do this in realtime - in the studio setting I have to stop the loop playing in order to save and resave to another loop. Are there better ways to do what I am talking about, or do I need to figure out how to work with what I have. Thanks for any help. Tony ------=_Part_29636_30778238.1134100817645 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I am a performance artist and have recently become interested in using loops as ambient backgrounds for my performances.  I have looked at the hardware (mainly boss rc-20xl and digitech jamman =3D based on price range, under 500$ and performance capability).  I bought the jamman and have been playing with it obsessively.  There is one important thing that I want to do that I seem to be unable to complete.   I want to be able to build a loop with multiple samples and then unbuild it back to the original sample.  I can layer samples into the loop, but cannot undo past the one undo that you are given.  I can do this in a studio setting by creating loop one, copying it onto loop two and then adding a sample overdub and copying to loop three etc...but I would like to be able to do this in realtime - in the studio setting I have to stop the loop playing in order to save and resave to another loop.  Are there better ways to do what I am talking about, or do I need to figure out how to work with what I have. 

Thanks for any help.

Tony            &nbs= p;      
------=_Part_29636_30778238.1134100817645-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 04:12:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E43C3BEDE; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 04:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,232,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="181867390:sNHT102966016" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:55:32 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Visual Holiday gifts from Doctor T. Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8V_lXD.A.BJD.6QQmDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 04:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi Folks, Please pardon the shameless commercial announcement. Give your eyes and your friends eyes a treat with visual music DVD's from Doctor T. Eyewash May 11, 2005. DVD-R $15 A live recording(45 minutes) of a show from the Eyewash series, with Dean Stiglitz (a.k.a Deknow) flute and synths, and Claire Barrett (Cilla_Vee Movement Project), Movement sculpture. This a good recording of a show that I am very happy with. Video Mandalas (1996) DVD-R $20. A 60 minute exploration of symmetry, this is my favorite of the video tapes I made in the 90's, newly reissued on DVD-R. Samples can be seen at http://www.foryourhead.com/vidmandalas/mandalas.htm (along with some broken button links -- gotta fix that web site one of these days) This DVD will also be available at http://www.centerforvisualmusic.org, which has lots of other cool visual stimulation to offer. Payment by Paypal, or send a check to me at 164 Old Conn. Path, Framingham, MA 01701 Free shipping in US, add $5 overseas. -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 04:24:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96AC03BED8; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 04:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:24:12 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <439906EC.5040501@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 04:24:27 +0000 (UTC) > Again, my understanding is that the EDP was designed so that the lapse > between command and execution is constant, and I believe that constant > is 1.5ms. A constant 1.5ms seems to be plenty accurate enough for > musicians needs in this context (looping). If you're doing engine > management on a rocket, it may be woefully slow. I'm not talking > about MIDI jitter in this case, but the response time between user > commands and execution. Response time and jitter are basically the same thing, jitter means the response time is changing which can cause alignment errors if you are not compensating for it. If we ignore the potential for jitter, then the PC is just as accurate as the EDP for recording. Not for triggering, but I'll get to that later. There are two things involved here: 1) MIDI latency, the time between when you press a switch till an "event" is received by the looping application 2) Audio latency, the time it takes for something you were playing at the moment you pressed the switch to pass through the sound card and the OS and reach the looping application In PC's MIDI latency (ignoring jitter) is on the order of 1 or 2 milliseconds, let's say 2. It can actually be faster than that but when synchronizing MIDI and audio, it is often quantized to a millisecond boundary, which is accurate enough. Audio latency is determined by the ASIO buffer size, 256 is typical which amounts to 5.8 milliseconds of delay. Note that unlike most dedicated hardware, on a PC audio latency is higher than MIDI latency. This means that even if it takes 2 milliseconds to get the MIDI event into the looper, the audio you were playing when that switch was pressed *hasn't even arrived yet*. So the problem isn't that we have to be as fast as possible processing the MIDI event, we actually have to *delay* processing it by 3.8 milliseconds so that it is aligned with the audio stream. It is easy to get recording accuracy in a PC because the increased audio latency gives us lots of breathing room. If the latency compensation is calibrated accurately and we are not experiencing significant MIDI jitter there will actually be *zero* delay between the MIDI event and its effect on the audio stream, they are in near perfect sync. In practice they will be misaligned by one or two milliseconds which you can think of as "response time" on the same order as the EDP. You don't need an RTOS to do this, we are simply compensating for known latencies. What an RTOS will do is ensure that MIDI latency is 2 and always 2. Never 3, never 1, never 20, always 2. A non-RTOS cannot do that when it is under stress. What I am trying to explain is that when a non-RTOS is operated within certain limits, you can expect to achieve very consistent MIDI latency which when compensated correctly will give you near perfect synchronization between MIDI and audio. There seems to be this misconception that you will have wild fluctuations in MIDI response time if you do so much as open a window, or touch a key, or take a page fault. This simply isn't true. You have to introduce a significant amount of system stress for that to happen. Sure it is possible, and it is also avoidable. > What I was referring to was the potential of unanticipated delays in > processing commands within an audio application which are a result of > OS design that are possibly beyond the ability of a regular user to > address. Yes, there are things that the computer owner must do and things that the software developer must do. Like any machine, the owner must operate it within certain limits and they are not particularly difficult limits to follow. But the software also has to be written to detect latencies and inconsistencies and compensate for them. There is nothing fundamentally flawed in Windows XP or Mac OSX that makes this impossible. > but many people have the experience of > loading down HD recording software with a too-heavy load of plug-ins, > tracks and edit points no matter how fast the computer is. The > display stops keeping pace with playback, recorded audio may get > choppy, MIDI and audio tracks lose sync, and eventually you get an > error or a crash. With something like the EDP, the UI has been > optimized and stripped down to a set of possibilities that essentially > prevent this from happening given the overall performance of the > system. True, but this isn't relevant to the RTOS discussion. A computer will behave badly if you exceed its limits. So don't. The EDP doesn't allow itself to be overloaded. Fine, but now we're talking about UI choices not RTOS issues. > Again, I've always been referring to looping-type tools, not soft > synths or amp simulators or what have you. If you're referring to my comment about keyboard players, the point was that if there truly was dramatic and unpredictable variance in MIDI timing, then the problem would be much worse for a keyboard player than a looper because they are pressing keys a thousand times more often than loopers are and they are extremely sensitive to "feel". If they don't have any insurmountable problems, neither will loopers. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 05:22:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CCD73BEDB; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 00:24:41 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: performance looping ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:22:42 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Tony Hughes wrote: > I am a performance artist and have recently become interested in using loops > as ambient backgrounds for my performances. I have looked at the hardware > (mainly boss rc-20xl and digitech jamman = based on price range, under 500$ > and performance capability). I bought the jamman and have been playing with > it obsessively. There is one important thing that I want to do that I seem > to be unable to complete. I want to be able to build a loop with multiple > samples and then unbuild it back to the original sample. I can layer > samples into the loop, but cannot undo past the one undo that you are > given. I can do this in a studio setting by creating loop one, copying it > onto loop two and then adding a sample overdub and copying to loop three > etc...but I would like to be able to do this in realtime - in the studio > setting I have to stop the loop playing in order to save and resave to > another loop. Are there better ways to do what I am talking about, or do I > need to figure out how to work with what I have. > > Thanks for any help. > > Tony Tony: I do not know of a hardware-based looper that can do as you describe other than the Echoplex Digital Pro. Good luck. regards, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 05:31:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D07F3BED5; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: scott@dreamstate.to via o2.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.068677 secs) Message-ID: <1349.65.94.48.202.1134106295.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 00:31:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: performance looping ? From: scott@dreamstate.to To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:31:30 +0000 (UTC) I want to be able to build a loop with > multiple > samples and then unbuild it back to the original sample. I can layer > samples into the loop, but cannot undo past the one undo that you are > given. I can do this in a studio setting by creating loop one, copying it > onto loop two and then adding a sample overdub and copying to loop three > etc...but I would like to be able to do this in realtime - in the studio > setting I have to stop the loop playing in order to save and resave to > another loop. Are there better ways to do what I am talking about, or do > I > need to figure out how to work with what I have. > > Thanks for any help. > > Tony > Sorry - but it's the the EDP Looper that has the Multiple-Undo feature you want to use. It's a very valuable part of the EDP's many features. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 08:12:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC6FA3BEDE; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <0C8E9148-5178-443C-8191-5FB743DB4320@mem.li> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <60414702-52B2-4CBC-8FF4-1FAA7579EFD4@mem.li> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: zurrigo Subject: Re: more EDP noise Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:11:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp-07.tornado.cablecom.ch X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-spamcheck-01.tornado.cablecom.ch-Metrics: smtp-07.tornado.cablecom.ch 32700; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:12:01 +0000 (UTC) it does happen only with the mix knob to 100 per cent loop - the dry signal is not affected Am 08.12.2005 um 23:26 schrieb Travis Hartnett: > Does this happen with the mix at 100% and when it's at 0% (dry)? > > TravisH > > On 12/8/05, zurrigo wrote: > >> sorry for interrupting all your MRI bonk bonk klonk klonk >> >> but apart from that thump noise on my EDP i have had a serious high- >> pitch wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on the plex' output for a couple of weeks >> whenever a loop is recorded (most audible with an empty loop, >> naturally) >> >> pitch is about a b''' - what could that be? >> >> thanks again for your help >> >> phil >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 09:42:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEE513BEDE; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAJXZmEOCKYNjAQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051209092115.028771b0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:38:58 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Real-time category #790 In-Reply-To: <20051209081202.803B83BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051209081202.803B83BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2-QMoD.A.1F.sFVmDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Stephan says:- > If I need, I could have it sample accurate (trigger with audio), > this would be more than 50 times more accurate than that specific > hardware looper. If you'd ever tried that you'd know that audio triggering won't give sample accurate results. In fact, you'd very quickly realize that it's not at all easy to trigger accurately from audio. >Thats the time it needs to switch from an interupt (incoming Midi >event for example) to deal with this event. 20 microseconds on a >20MHz 68000.... >I run a 1,5 GHz Powerbook with a PPC, I guess its probably more in >the range of nano seconds... Sorry, that's really misleading. If the processor was running just one thread, and that was the only interupt then then I guess the figure's right, but there's actually a whole bunch of interrupts, and the one for Midi is going to be way down the priority order. ...and of course, MIDI's much slower than that. Check out the MIdi specifications, and how MIDI works ...and you'll see. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 10:10:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40E673BEDF; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAJvgmEOCKYNjAQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051209092208.02878140@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:06:50 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: EDP Response time In-Reply-To: <20051209081202.803B83BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051209081202.803B83BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1GouDC.A.G-B.5fVmDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:10:01 +0000 (UTC) >Again, my understanding is that the EDP was designed so that the lapse >between command and execution is constant, and I believe that constant >is 1.5ms. A constant 1.5ms seems to be plenty accurate enough for >musicians needs in this context (looping). Matthias once told me that this 1ms is the time for one "loop" of the edp software. ( or it may have been 1,5ms) So within that time the software checks whether there's been a button press, and then processes 1ms of audio. ( if I understand correctly) So max latency is where the button press is just after the check, and min latency is when the button press is just before the check. So latency can't be constant. It must have a variation ( = jitter) of 1ms. Actually, using stereo linked EDPs, there seems to be more than that, there's clearly a time difference between the 2 edps. Particularly when using NextLoop there's often a 4ms delay between loops on the 2 edps, which produces a pronounced Haas effect ( audio appears to be panned). This seems to vary at random on each use of Nextloop. As slave EDP is controlled by the midi output of the master, then it would seem that the edp has a jitter of 4ms. (or maybe 2ms per edp) presumably that jitter still happens when a single edp is used, (and as far as I know, it shouldn't be any different for Midi control or FCB7) just that nobody notices it. :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 10:23:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 523303BEEA; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <235361A6-183E-4720-849E-133373491A60@mem.li> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-45--949688520 From: zurrigo Subject: zurrigo's new CD Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:23:37 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp-04.tornado.cablecom.ch X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-spamcheck-02.tornado.cablecom.ch-Metrics: smtp-04.tornado.cablecom.ch 32701; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:23:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-45--949688520 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed if you don't see a picture here, please use this link: http:// www.mem.li/pic/webflyer_e.jpg virtuets_1-4: the four seasons for one improvising guitarist and his virtual partner LGM_11: interstellar dance music for extraterrestrials with an odd number of legs book your (hopefully lucky) serial number: http://www.mem.li/ lucky_numbers.html and buy your copy via pay pal or credit card: http://www.mem.li/e/ craft-paypal_e.html best wishes phil zurrigo --Apple-Mail-45--949688520 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
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= --Apple-Mail-45--949688520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 11:40:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C84FE3BED8; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051209114012610.950061800084@mwinf0801.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <43996D17.3040807@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:40:07 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > What I was referring to was the potential of > unanticipated delays in processing commands within an audio > application which are a result of OS design that are possibly beyond > the ability of a regular user to address. I guess your musical experience with loopers is based on hardware loopers. (Mine is based on both hardware and software) I practically do not have unanticipated delays in my setup. (point) This is just my experience, and thats why I thought the quote on the Loopers Delight website is just an oppinion either based on outdated experience or based only on a theory about RTOS versus non-RTOS which has not been proofed. Of course its easy to bring down any computer to crawl, if you ask it to do more than it can handle... But this limitation will show up way, way later than a limitation to just do tasks, a handfull of hardware loopers could do. Assuming you buy as many hardware loopers for the amount of money you would have to invest into a computer, a sound card and some Midi controllers. My experience with software is, that it opens up a complete new world and ways of thinking how to deal with live recorded material. Imagine: The software does a live analysis of the material which is flying in. Based on that it will sort it into categories of events. You'll be able to play these events in any way you want, trigger them by other audio events, play them on a keyboard or with drumpads. let them fly around in a multichannel speaker setup. Create a flock of sounds with 100 voices, rearrange the events within a loop.... This is just going way beyond what you could ever imagine to put as a fixed feature set into a little box which has to be bought by a lot of people to make it into a sellable instrument. I am not quite at the point I am describing here, but I am getting close ;-) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 11:43:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77C5B3BEE1; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051209114301791.C106D1C003FA@mwinf0804.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <43996DC5.3040608@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:43:01 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sheet Music for 4'33" References: <43973538.5010306@pdq.net> In-Reply-To: <43973538.5010306@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Doug Cox wrote: > Here's the sheet music: > > Tacet > > :) I am not sure, you are allowed to distribute this, there is a copyright on 4'33". Or did you pay royalties for it?.... (Oh no, I quoted it, and now I am as much a pirate as you are...;-) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 12:08:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 896BC3BEE1; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051209120837242.3B1C77000048@mwinf1404.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <439973C0.2040803@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 13:08:32 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Sheet Music for 4'33" References: <43973538.5010306@pdq.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:08:39 +0000 (UTC) burnett@pobox.com wrote: > Can I get the guitar tab version? > > The playing instructions for 4'33" for use with theremin are obviously > "Off." I don't know about the guitar tab version, but I heard rumors about a looper version which would allow you to leave the stage after 2 seconds and let the looper do the rest... (don't know the publisher though) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 14:40:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E3FC3BEDB; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <439997AF.9020307@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:41:51 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlists #454 and #455 for December 1 and 8, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Playing catch up. Here's last night's and last week's playlists. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/051201.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #454 December 1, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Gert Emmens. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Elektra" originally released on Quantum Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Rainbow Delta" by Patrick Gleeson on Passport Records and released in 1980. Gert Emmens - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Patrick Gleeson Take the 5:10 to Rainbow Delta (Passport) Dreamland Parallel Worlds Mechanical Mood Insight (Shima) Dreamwind Ambient Trails Ambient Trails (none) IXOHOXI Spectral Irradiance Micronicom (none) Team Metlay A Time For Heroes Beneath Stars (Atomic City) Team Metlay The Man With The World Beneath Stars (Atomic City) In His Head Team Metlay The Wheel Of Stars Beneath Stars (Atomic City) Team Metlay Epilogue: Gloria Speaks Beneath Stars (Atomic City) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Gert Emmens Welcome To Elektra Elektra (Quantum) Gert Emmens Elektra part 1 Elektra (Quantum) Gert Emmens Elektra part 2 Elektra (Quantum) Gert Emmens Elektra part 3 Elektra (Quantum) Gert Emmens The Sign Of The Sentinel Elektra (Quantum) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Gert Emmens. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Asteroids" on Quantum Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "In a Wild Sanctuary" by Beaver and Krause on Warner Brothers Records and released in 1970. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/051208.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #455 December 8, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Gert Emmens. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Asteroids" on Quantum Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "In a Wild Sanctuary" by Beaver and Krause on Warner Brothers Records and released in 1970. Gert Emmens - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Beaver and Krause And There Was Morning In A Wild Sanctuary (Warner Bros.) Gert Emmens and Blind Watchers of a Blind Watchers of a Vanishing Ruud Heij Vanishing Night Night (EH) Lambert Ringlage and Voyage To Nowhere pt. 1 Trancesession (Spheric) Stephen Parsick Polaris A Way Back Re: Transmission (none) Polaris Transmission Re: Transmission (none) ['ramp] Tool Oughtibridge (Doombient) ['ramp] dune Oughtibridge (Doombient) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Gert Emmens Ceres Asteroids (Quantum) Gert Emmens Pallas Asteroids (Quantum) Gert Emmens Juno Asteroids (Quantum) Gert Emmens Vesta Asteroids (Quantum) Gert Emmens Chiron Asteroids (Quantum) Gert Emmens Geographos Asteroids (Quantum) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Gert Emmens. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Wanderer of Time" on Groove Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Schwingungen" by Ash Ra Tempel on Ohr Records and released in 1972. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 14:57:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014513BEE1; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UVyJ8bAY1GHDDi7w6CTj1LwWH4bTEsBf8J/jpnAtF1VJgk3SEjzj/k6AEx4qZLyBhzvoatDnltYyU2ZE35ZnqQgDz7kXqe2FkHMa/UuxTcN46O35lHa+6Pk/yzOOpMKk7zlOaNdNGtg4VeHBDRa0QJ3Nz0vx8OpZ1Xh9YQ87Cz4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 06:57:09 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Response time In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051209092208.02878140@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051209081202.803B83BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051209092208.02878140@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <18iAvD.A.nSF.GtZmDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:57:10 +0000 (UTC) I remember Kim or Matthias saying that responding to EFC buttons took twice as long as MIDI--something to do with debouncing. TravisH On 12/9/05, a k butler wrote: > > >Again, my understanding is that the EDP was designed so that the lapse > >between command and execution is constant, and I believe that constant > >is 1.5ms. A constant 1.5ms seems to be plenty accurate enough for > >musicians needs in this context (looping). > > Matthias once told me that this 1ms is the time for one "loop" of the > edp software. > ( or it may have been 1,5ms) > So within that time the software checks whether there's been a button pre= ss, > and then processes 1ms of audio. ( if I understand correctly) > > So max latency is where the button press is just after the check, > and min latency is when the button press is just before the check. > > So latency can't be constant. > > It must have a variation ( =3D jitter) of 1ms. > > Actually, using stereo linked EDPs, there seems to be more > than that, there's clearly a time difference between the 2 > edps. > > Particularly when using NextLoop there's often a 4ms delay > between loops on the 2 edps, which produces a pronounced Haas > effect ( audio appears to be panned). > This seems to vary at random on each use of Nextloop. > As slave EDP is controlled by the midi output of the master, then > it would seem that the edp has a jitter of 4ms. > (or maybe 2ms per edp) > > presumably that jitter still happens when a single edp is used, > (and as far as I know, it shouldn't be any different for Midi control or = FCB7) > just that nobody notices it. :-) > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 15:14:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C7653BEDF; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sEmSGoBi2k8TebwH2wL/MJKJPkEw7Xu0WN8167QM0ohjIl6EZ2SqZKJ39wcbmKj6944eT1QtIVN8pShakPj3X4KguLBA7+tcBU1Zgqn3l0Sip3kq0LQK5h/k5FMqfOM76L01EYfRyWiyHkhSpgSIBglf8/2d0GT08Wd21xxPq3A= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:13:58 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category In-Reply-To: <43996D17.3040807@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <43996D17.3040807@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: <8HBkYD.A.6JG.58ZmDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Stefan said: "I practically do not have unanticipated delays in my setup....Of course its easy to bring down any computer to crawl, if you ask it to do more than it can handle... " See, I read this as "I sometimes have unanticipated delays in my setup but I've learned to avoid doing many of the things which trigger that behavior." And what I've been trying to say is that "When using audio tools that run on a PC, it's easy to bring any computer to a crawl, with dedicated hardware there are design safeguards/limitations that usually prevent this." I'm not saying "hardware good, software bad" but rather pointing out that dedicated hardware tends to be more robust and that software offers many more options, but not all of them at once, all the time. Software manufacturers like to boast things like "Unlimited tracks!!!" in big print and "Depending on memory and processor limitations" in small print. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 16:18:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C24D3BEDD; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:18:17 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4399AE49.9040702@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <43996D17.3040807@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: <-odzLB.A.-K.H5amDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > And what I've been trying to say is that "When using audio tools that > run on a PC, it's easy to bring any computer to a crawl, with > dedicated hardware there are design safeguards/limitations that > usually prevent this." I agree with this completely. But I don't think this is how the thread got started. I thought this started from the premise that it was impossible to perform MIDI command processing and synchronization accurately enough for Sensitive Real Musicians on a platform that wasn't running a real-time OS. If all this time we were just doing the "robustness" and "purpose built UI" debate then I've wasted a lot of bandwidth :-) Happy Holidays, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 17:19:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE1A03BEE0; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HicV5jAF4qq0xwkesIdbwKqzF9dhDiChDxuu8HpR9E1fkZWzXFgicmH+QGyyLRw5Y5cFJAKMRyUiRxRiniTvSxueWiXEt4N7gTvZJyWhUdWOIuyHbBAOtnSHEH4Pm0uafAL/1CpiFgLLc6ktSSi6rJqoo2wbB3ky/CRQB5KW9i8= Message-ID: <588ce11d0512090918m34205f97w7f436887747c92e4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:18:38 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category In-Reply-To: <4399AE49.9040702@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <43996D17.3040807@addcom.de> <4399AE49.9040702@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:19:11 +0000 (UTC) I for one really enjoyed this discussion, and feel that I've learned a lot. This is why this is such a great list--it certainly was not a waste of bandwidth. Maybe someday I'll know enough to actually participate in such a discussion. : ) On 12/9/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > And what I've been trying to say is that "When using audio tools that > > run on a PC, it's easy to bring any computer to a crawl, with > > dedicated hardware there are design safeguards/limitations that > > usually prevent this." > > I agree with this completely. But I don't think this is how > the thread got started. I thought this started from the premise > that it was impossible to perform MIDI command processing > and synchronization accurately enough for Sensitive Real > Musicians on a platform that wasn't running a real-time OS. > > If all this time we were just doing the "robustness" > and "purpose built UI" debate then I've wasted a lot of > bandwidth :-) > > Happy Holidays, > Jeff > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 20:03:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9E0A3BEE4; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--914897278 From: Zoe Keating Subject: looping on NPR... Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:03:28 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: def4f333-68ee-11da-a87f-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.43/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:03:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--914897278 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hi loopers, i recorded a live segment last week at NPR that is playing today on the show Day to Day. i brought my Repeater down to the studio and gave a short live looping demo. i haven't heard it yet, so i don't know how it came out! but the story is below: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5046348 --Apple-Mail-2--914897278 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 hi loopers,=A0

i recorded a live segment = last week at NPR that is playing today on the show Day to Day. i brought = my Repeater down to the studio and gave a short live looping demo. i = haven't heard it yet, so i don't know how it came out! but the story is = below:



= --Apple-Mail-2--914897278-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 20:04:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DA293BEF3; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WTmgA4j9CRahG1XSDtsvB3TKhBZDjOEQ83S00/L/E6rX7NiVazEcIHUsNH0R+eKNZ8M1lnzQF9bsptj7fr3YOJdSLyq4YQ4OvC90HBYs0uNH59yUyfiSDWLNulMmdrBWk4K+m2cStgexQAajcIRc5aTXVIrr3Ui4vNEHogUmrys= ; Message-ID: <20051209200441.2739.qmail@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:04:41 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Real-time category To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051208004534.95225.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1930399240-1134158681=:2222" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:04:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-1930399240-1134158681=:2222 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sonny...thems fightin words where i come from(kings pawn to the third rank) S V G wrote: Apologies to anyone who's feathers got ruffled. I myself have a gut understanding of what Kim and Travis and others are trying to say. Let me put it yet another way. If I own a set of Roland V-drums, I would expect a RTOS engine to be driving them. Latency is not so much the issue here, any latency within reason can be adjusted to, whether consciously or otherwise. But if there is an occassional strike that causes a note to sound at anything less than when I expect it to sound based on all the other notes I'm playing, this will definately erode my sense of being able to use this machine to play in a groove. I would develop an innate distrust in the machine and whether or not I realized what sort of OS it contained, I would eventually sell it on eBay where I got it in the first place and move on. Some uses of Loopers have a requirement that is similar to what I just mentioned. Other uses have no such requirements. I myself use Loopers in both ways. I intend no insults to anyone who uses software Looper X or hardware Looper Y. Please understand that I am not trying to pick any sort of fight. Allow me to offer a fuller explanation. If in your musical studies you develop a sense of subtlety in timing (one of the prerequisites in being a Real Musician) then this is quite apparent. In my work with other musicians, I find that Real Musicians are few and far between. I play in an African Marimba ensemble where timing intracacies will make or break the music. I found myself utterly aghast one day when I learned how few people in my band (at the time) could not even clap their hands together in a steady way without perceptably speeding up or slowing down. Yet if you asked any of these people whether or not they could honorably execute such a task, most people would answer in the affirmative. If you have a sense of subtlety in musical timing issues, there are certain things that you would bring forth in a discourse such as this one we are engaged in. If you don't, you might perhaps overlook some things or treat them as if they aren't really that important. This is where I am coming from when I ask someone (with no disrepect intended) whether they are truly a musician who relies on this sense of subtlety. If these words irritate you, I apologize as that is not my intent. At the same time, an intellegent discourse on this whole subject would be all the richer if such views were allowed. With all due respect, Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --0-1930399240-1134158681=:2222 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
sonny...thems fightin words where i come from(kings pawn to the third rank)

S V G <vsyevolod@yahoo.com> wrote:

Apologies to anyone who's feathers got ruffled. I myself have a gut understanding of what
Kim and Travis and others are trying to say. Let me put it yet another way.

If I own a set of Roland V-drums, I would expect a RTOS engine to be driving them. Latency
is not so much the issue here, any latency within reason can be adjusted to, whether consciously
or otherwise. But if there is an occassional strike that causes a note to sound at anything less
than when I expect it to sound based on all the other notes I'm playing, this will definately
erode my sense of being able to use this machine to play in a groove. I would develop an innate
distrust in the machine and whether or not I realized what sort of OS it contained, I would
eventually sell it on eBay where I got it in the first place and move on.

Some uses of Loopers have a requirement that is similar to what I just mentioned. Other uses
have no such requirements. I myself use Loopers in both ways. I intend no insults to anyone who
uses software Looper X or hardware Looper Y. Please understand that I am not trying to pick any
sort of fight.

Allow me to offer a fuller explanation. If in your musical studies you develop a sense of
subtlety in timing (one of the prerequisites in being a Real Musician) then this is quite
apparent. In my work with other musicians, I find that Real Musicians are few and far between. I
play in an African Marimba ensemble where timing intracacies will make or break the music. I
found myself utterly aghast one day when I learned how few people in my band (at the time) could
not even clap their hands together in a steady way without perceptably speeding up or slowing
down. Yet if you asked any of these people whether or not they could honorably execute such a
task, most people would answer in the affirmative.

If you have a sense of subtlety in musical timing issues, there are certain things that you
would bring forth in a discourse such as this one we are engaged in. If you don't, you might
perhaps overlook some things or treat them as if they aren't really that important. This is where
I am coming from when I ask someone (with no disrepect intended) whether they are truly a musician
who relies on this sense of subtlety. If these words irritate you, I apologize as that is not my
intent. At the same time, an intellegent discourse on this whole subject would be all the richer
if such views were allowed.

With all due respect,

Stephen






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i would like to reserve one table for the resuraunt at the end of the universe...heres my penny

zurrigo <loop-zurrigo@mem.li> wrote:
if you don't see a picture here, please use this link: http://www.mem.li/pic/webflyer_e.jpg

virtuets_1-4: the four seasons for one
improvising guitarist and his virtual partner
LGM_11: interstellar dance music for 
extraterrestrials with an odd number of legs

book your (hopefully lucky) serial number: http://www.mem.li/lucky_numbers.html

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Shopping --0-709111532-1134159685=:73234-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 20:48:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E00863BEF4; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ERgzotv/A21mnVeRzxXMhE2EdwIDk9A5pU1PP2NsUPsT6IN9w1iceuI1910423zlkwZcxSuU/oQ+9tCeYSz6hx/8B3VW2rL102v9c2KmiZpgQZ7+g/9pfCoFp1WPHzBlv0rbhI5Xv+J1bGp+Mh0q6rGbJVyF43DbUsQFEcRcgAg= Message-ID: <26ba8d120512091248q31c36cd9l36faf33386af1372@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:48:08 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: recording tips from Wendy Carlos! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <_9xMGC.A.o8H.J2emDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:48:09 +0000 (UTC) http://wendycarlos.com/resources/studiotips.html -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 21:49:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 613383BF01; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAFqJmUOCKYNkAQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051209212929.028539e0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:46:14 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: EDP Response time In-Reply-To: <20051209200443.62DF43BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051209200443.62DF43BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:49:24 +0000 (UTC) hi TravisH >I remember Kim or Matthias saying that responding to EFC buttons took >twice as long as MIDI--something to do with debouncing. I remembed that too, (which is no guarantee) and was able to ask Matthias about it. (which really happened) He pointed out that the de-bounce happens after the event, ...I got the distinct impression that he thought me somewhat foolish :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 21:51:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C21863BEDF; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4399FCFE.1080905@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 13:54:06 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping on NPR... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Day To Day west coast (Portland, anyway) in five minutes, Zoe is on! (It's at the website, anyway...nice stuff!) Zoe Keating wrote: > hi loopers, > > i recorded a live segment last week at NPR that is playing today on > the show Day to Day. i brought my Repeater down to the studio and gave > a short live looping demo. i haven't heard it yet, so i don't know how > it came out! but the story is below: > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5046348 > * > * > * > * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 21:53:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35B813BEFF; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7138B372-19BF-4052-A6B4-8C2D0B8502CE@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ernest Smith Subject: Digitech RDS8000 Time Machine, help please. Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:53:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:53:37 +0000 (UTC) I just got this in yesterday. It combines the 8 seconds of the PDS 8000 and the modulation of the PDS 20/20. All in a cool brushed aluminum and blue rack unit. I never really used the sample/trigger function on my old PDS 8K, so I'm sure I missed out on some cool sounds. Now that I have the RDS8K, I'd like to figure out how the sample/trigger deal works. Anybody experienced? I've been looking at the online manual, but I'm hoping for some real world suggestions. Thanks. Ernest From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 21:58:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8EB43BF02; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:53:51 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: digitalhell , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: f'in brilliant! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:58:11 +0000 (UTC) http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/eceprojectsland/STUDENTPROJ/2002to2003/lil2/ ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 9 22:22:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F8C13BEFB; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 22:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:22:39 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: f'in brilliant! In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: digitalhell Message-id: <439A03AF.90400@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 22:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Legion wrote: > http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/eceprojectsland/STUDENTPROJ/2002to2003/lil2/ It must be running...a wheel time OS! Thank you, thank you...I'm here till Thursday...try the veal. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 01:15:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA1203BED9; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.95.37.233] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <7138B372-19BF-4052-A6B4-8C2D0B8502CE@comcast.net> From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Digitech RDS8000 Time Machine, help please. Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:15:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2005 01:15:41.0489 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CC2FA10:01C5FD27] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Still using my trusty PDS8000/2000s, tho' the Korg drum machines I once used as triggers (the 'tambourine/hand clap' samples were dedicated to the pedals) are long gone. I'm currently using a cheap microphone that I hit w/a drumstick for stutter effects, altho' any percussive sound should work.. >From: Ernest Smith >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Digitech RDS8000 Time Machine, help please. >Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:53:30 -0500 > >I just got this in yesterday. It combines the 8 seconds of the PDS 8000 >and the modulation of the PDS 20/20. All in a cool brushed aluminum and >blue rack unit. > >I never really used the sample/trigger function on my old PDS 8K, so I'm >sure I missed out on some cool sounds. Now that I have the RDS8K, I'd like >to figure out how the sample/trigger deal works. > >Anybody experienced? I've been looking at the online manual, but I'm >hoping for some real world suggestions. > >Thanks. > >Ernest From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 01:40:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 904743BEFA; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KyOeqhevUKpMUlSyBHiob+07YDl2wnUc1nCTD93Yse/kOC42hnRyYun5Q6OgG97dBWcMKkwxEDgb8dRze1Oz+sKHOTtSaZMIKyWwRwM8BdE/Mjcqki4uY+obWAjQg3t+AL1UtNGp5rxbHndU/l1sD695b4jh+DCxWFIp3psqRHk= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:40:49 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS8000 Time Machine, help please. In-Reply-To: <7138B372-19BF-4052-A6B4-8C2D0B8502CE@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <7138B372-19BF-4052-A6B4-8C2D0B8502CE@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Are you wondering about how to trigger a sample from that device, or ideas on musical applications thereof? TravisH On 12/9/05, Ernest Smith wrote: > I just got this in yesterday. It combines the 8 seconds of the PDS > 8000 and the modulation of the PDS 20/20. All in a cool brushed > aluminum and blue rack unit. > > I never really used the sample/trigger function on my old PDS 8K, so > I'm sure I missed out on some cool sounds. Now that I have the RDS8K, > I'd like to figure out how the sample/trigger deal works. > > Anybody experienced? I've been looking at the online manual, but I'm > hoping for some real world suggestions. > > Thanks. > > Ernest > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 03:00:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51D0A3BEE1; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <7138B372-19BF-4052-A6B4-8C2D0B8502CE@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <29840A56-0F9F-46A2-87E9-E9BC3773BF75@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ernest Smith Subject: Re: Digitech RDS8000 Time Machine, help please. Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 22:00:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Both. I have managed to stay relatively ignorant about sampling, despite having owned a Casio FZ-1. ;) Of course I guess you could consider every delay pedal a form of sampler, and I sure have had a mess of delay pedals. I'm primarily a guitarist, so my hands are usually busy. I have a Radio Shack momentary switch which I was planning to use to do the infinite hold, but I guess it could do the sample triggering as well. Ernest On Dec 9, 2005, at 8:40 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Are you wondering about how to trigger a sample from that device, or > ideas on musical applications thereof? > > TravisH > > On 12/9/05, Ernest Smith wrote: >> I just got this in yesterday. It combines the 8 seconds of the PDS >> 8000 and the modulation of the PDS 20/20. All in a cool brushed >> aluminum and blue rack unit. >> >> I never really used the sample/trigger function on my old PDS 8K, so >> I'm sure I missed out on some cool sounds. Now that I have the RDS8K, >> I'd like to figure out how the sample/trigger deal works. >> >> Anybody experienced? I've been looking at the online manual, but I'm >> hoping for some real world suggestions. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Ernest >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 03:41:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E608E3BED8; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051126000226.09db5280@l oopers-delight.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:40:52 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: [NEW RELEASE] Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi, LDCD 3 on CD Baby now. you can listen 2min preview per each songs. http://cdbaby.com/cd/loopersdelight thanks Sunao At 0:54 AM +0900 05.12.6, Sunao Inami wrote: >Hi, > >I added 45sec mp3 preview each songs for LD Compilation Volume 3. >please visit below: > >http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3 > >p.s. >also please visit to our online shop below in your free time.... > >http://shop.cavestudio.org > > >p.s.p.s. >Thank you for your good comments, Kim..! > > thanks > > Sunao > >At 0:09 AM -0800 05.11.26, Kim Flint wrote: >>At 06:54 AM 11/23/2005, Sunao Inami wrote: >>>Hi LD list, >>> >>>A new release information. >>>Finally, Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 will release on 1st >>>December 2005. >> >>I'm really thrilled to see this project come together. I can't wait >>to hear it! The list of artists on this volume is really exciting. >>It represents a nice cross section of the different artists and >>personalities who make Looper's Delight a great community. >> >>It has been a while since the last Looper's Delight Compilation CD >>was made. Thanks a lot Sunao, for your excellent effort organizing >>Volume 3! Producing this type of CD is a difficult job. I (and I'm >>sure everybody else here) really appreciate your efforts. >> >>kim >> >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 07:20:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABE203BEDF; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008301c5fd5a$311152b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: looping on NPR Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:20:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <3xzGRC.A.yrB.0GomDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations, Zoe, on your NPR performance/demonstration and thanks for spreading the word about live looping! If you manage to get a copy of this, I'd be happy to post it to a hidden page at my website for all to see. Just let me know and I'll tell you how to upload it if you have the time and energy (and inclination). We miss you in the Bay Area, by the way.............The loss of the Natoma space you lived in has been a huge blow to the San Francisco new music scene. I was so sorry to see it break up and disappear. I sincerely hope the Northwest is proving to be fertile ground for you and your husband. I also hope we can entice you to come and play Y2K6 Loop Festival next October in Santa Cruz. We can get you a place to stay if you decide to come. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 09:15:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93B8A3BED9; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <439A9CF2.7010406@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:16:34 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , mab@soundscapes.us Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:15:34 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, December 10 at 6:00 am EDT/ GMT-5. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also play music from the new ['ramp] CD. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 09:59:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62EC73BED9; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c001c5fd6f$e46a5c20$e09efe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: Subject: LD CD Vol. 3 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:31:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C5FD74.E53DE680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:59:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C5FD74.E53DE680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I just wanted to let you know what a great job Sunao did with the CD. I = am impressed, and that is not an easy thing to do. Also, the music on = the CD is really amazing. I have contributed to quite a few CD = compilation in the past, just to be utterly embarrassed with the musical = and technical quality afterwards. Here, I feel very much at home, and = it=B4s good to see such a lot of musical and technical wit featured = here. If you don=B4t have the CD yet, go and get yourself a copy! Stephen _________________________________________________________________________= _____________ "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith) "Hoellenengel", new album by Stephen Parsick. Street date: October 01, = 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It=B4s out: "Oughtibridge", the new [=B4ramp] album, recorded live in = England. 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Hi all,
 
I just wanted to let you know what a great job = Sunao did=20 with the CD. I am impressed, and that is not an easy thing to do. Also, = the=20 music on the CD is really amazing. I have contributed to quite a few CD=20 compilation in the past, just to be utterly embarrassed with the musical = and=20 technical quality afterwards. Here, I feel very much at home, and it=B4s = good to=20 see such a lot of musical and technical wit featured here.
 
If you don=B4t have the CD yet, go and get = yourself a=20 copy!
 
Stephen

________________________________________________________= ______________________________
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this = planet,=20 you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith)
 
"Hoellenengel", new album by Stephen Parsick. = Street date:=20 October 01, 2005.
 
For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com
 
It=B4s out: "Oughtibridge", the new [=B4ramp] = album, recorded=20 live in England.
 
For info and audio, please visit the official = [=B4ramp]=20 website at www.doombient.com
 

[WTB]: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David = Keenan=20 (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet).
 
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 13:59:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D3903BEE4; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051126000226.09db5280@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: It's a good compilation! (was: [NEW RELEASE] Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:59:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:59:38 +0000 (UTC) On 5 dec 2005, at 16.54, Sunao Inami wrote: > I added 45sec mp3 preview each songs for LD Compilation Volume 3. > please visit below: > http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3 A Big Hand to Sunao for doing this! And what a great record this is! I've just been enjoying the "Play All Songs" stream at CD Baby and I must say that this is typically the kind of CD I have had such hard times to find for my listening interest. It's amazing that all this content do fit together so perfectly without any curator in charge of selecting the pieces. I mean, every contributor was free to submit whatever he or she wanted. This is a disc I would buy in loads and give to friends even if I didn't know a shit about looping or whoever does play on the tracks. It's a good compilation! In a way it could make sense to use this disc for local media promotion instead of your own discs, because this one brings out The Vibe Of The Scene so well. Even the stupidest journalist should get what it's all about. For a media writer that happen to not having done his homework it's also a great introduction to Live Looping, so he/she is given a perfect easy way to cover up eventual lack of knowledge and start writing about it "as one who knows". That's the perfect catch for winding up journalists when doing press releases! ;-) Especially with a link to Sunao's page (above) that offer short info texts on every contributor and further links. Great job, Sunao! Thanks. Another idea: It would be cool with a Live Looping record company that only puts out this type of compilations. Many looping artists tend to be boring when they (we) put out complete albums the traditional way, at least for the average listener (admit we are nerds on this list ;-). In a compilation every artist tends to shine because everyones uniqueness - distilled in the live looping process - stands out when lined up side to side. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 15:44:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E142F3BEE8; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 8337edfb8f10fc126c6984d9c0261eee Received-SPF: pass (buvuma.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.12 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.12; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[192.168.1.2]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:43:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Real-time category Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:44:33 +0000 (UTC) >I don't think Wikipedia is a great source of definitive technical >data, but in the RTOS entry therein I do see where the two examples it >cites are in range of microseconds. The matter that I was discussing >was actually related to the period that elapses between when a MIDI >event is received by the EDP (a "Record" message for example) and when >the EDP can actually begin recording. > >Again, my understanding is that the EDP was designed so that the lapse >between command and execution is constant, and I believe that constant >is 1.5ms. hm, no, thats the jitter. I poll for MIDI and switches every 64 audio samples = 1.5ms if you press right then, it only takes about 10 samples to execution, if you press right after it, it takes about 74 samples. In case of going to a recording mode, we still have to wait for the fade in which happens in a analog VCA chip. So if you want to record a full attack, you need to press the button about 7ms before you play it - which does not seem to be a problem for anyone. > > > You might refer here to computer keyboard or mouse clicks, I don't know, >> I never assume these as part of my instrument, they are only an aid for >> navigation, not for playing the music. >> >> If the timing jitter of an EDP is really 1,5 ms, then its much, much >> less accurate than my software looper. If I need, I could have it sample >> accurate (trigger with audio), this would be more than 50 times more >> accurate than that specific hardware looper. But I guess other loopers >> are not that bad ;-) you are exagerating. to trigger with audio is not that simple. Andy and me spent quite some time to figure it out for the Mathons plugins. Its never within a sample. And we want foot operation, and I doubt that a PC can garantee 1.5ms for that. But there is no need. Praxis counts! I just had a chat with Tom, an old engineer friend and keyboard player (most who played at Zurich festival know him) and he confirmed that MIDI latency and jitter is just not a problem for keyboard players, only audio latency. so much less for loopers, because the loop lenght is still less critical than the response to a note played, and if the delay is no problem, the variation of it lesser. He also said that the keyboards and effect units built arround a PC board use regular Linux, no RTOS. > > >> Before using technical terms it might be a good advice to check the >> Wikipedia to be sure what you are talking about. Here is a quote from >> the RTOS entry: >> >> "On a 20MHz 68000 processor, task switch times run about 20 microseconds >> with two tasks ready. 100 MHz ARM CPUs switch in a few microseconds." >> >> Thats the time it needs to switch from an interupt (incoming Midi event >> for example) to deal with this event. 20 microseconds on a 20MHz 68000.... >> I run a 1,5 GHz Powerbook with a PPC, I guess its probably more in the >> range of nano seconds... I dont think so. the 20us go for a RTOS when its clear that changing the task is needed. On the Powerbook there are loads of threads running already and there must be some priority avaliation that finially decides to care for the MIDI event, which then resides in some buffer and so on... I have no idea how long it takes, but I doubt you get to nano seconds. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 15:44:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62A683BF04; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 4d5e01a59ef56061eda331790bf84f80 Received-SPF: pass (buvuma.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.12 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.12; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[192.168.1.2]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051209212929.028539e0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20051209200443.62DF43BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051209212929.028539e0@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:36:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re:Re: EDP Response time Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:44:38 +0000 (UTC) >hi TravisH > >>I remember Kim or Matthias saying that responding to EFC buttons took >>twice as long as MIDI--something to do with debouncing. > >I remembed that too, >(which is no guarantee) >and was able to ask Matthias about it. >(which really happened) >He pointed out that the de-bounce happens after the event, >...I got the distinct impression that he thought me somewhat foolish :-) sorry for that Andy! Yes, I forgot, debouncing causes another delay. the internal ADC also takes about 1ms for each conversion and a single one would not be reliable... but I forgot about the details. Does anyone think that the buttons are slow? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 18:06:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A149E3BEF4; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1c9.36865cce.30cc7338@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:06:48 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20It's=20a=20good=20compilation!=A0=20(was:=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?[NEW=20RELEASE]=20Looper's=20Delight=20Compilation=20Volu?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?me=203?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c9.36865cce.30cc7338_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:06:52 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1c9.36865cce.30cc7338_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, In a message dated 12/10/05 6:00:36 AM, per@boysen.se writes: > http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3 >=20 > A Big Hand to Sunao for doing this! And what a great record this is!=A0 >=20 Let me second that motion. I just finished listening to all the clips too and was really impresed with the quality, variety and "flow" of the=20 pieces in the collection as a whole. Great job Sunao! Along with the Xperimentus collection that Kris Hartung put out recently -- which was entirely different in concept being a set of virtual "duets," I can hardly think of a better pair of looper Xmas stocking stuffers. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1c9.36865cce.30cc7338_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

In a message dated 12/10/05 6:00:36 AM, per@boysen.se writes:

http://www.cavestudio= .com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3

A Big Hand to Sunao for doing this! And what a great record this is!=A0

Let me second that motion. I just finished listening to all the clips too and was really impresed with the quality, variety and "flow" of the
pieces in the collection as a whole. Great job Sunao!

Along with the Xperimentus collection that Kris Hartung put out recently
-- which was entirely different in concept being a set of virtual "duets," I can hardly think of a better pair of looper Xmas stocking stuffers.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_1c9.36865cce.30cc7338_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 18:13:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D5DE3BEF9; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <29c.17ee759.30cc74d2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:13:38 EST Subject: Re: looping on NPR... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_29c.17ee759.30cc74d2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:13:47 +0000 (UTC) --part1_29c.17ee759.30cc74d2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit zoe.....terrific! --part1_29c.17ee759.30cc74d2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable zoe.....terrific! --part1_29c.17ee759.30cc74d2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 18:51:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB9973BEF0; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: It's excellent! (Looper's Compilation Vol.3) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:51:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5FD88.6EEA8510" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1c9.36865cce.30cc7338@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:51:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5FD88.6EEA8510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wanted to publicly thank Sunao and all the artists for a stellar piece of work! The production is excellently done on all fronts! Thanks again! ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5FD88.6EEA8510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just wanted to publicly = thank Sunao=20 and all the artists for a stellar piece of work! The production is=20 excellently done on all = fronts!
Thanks=20 again!

~peace~

Michael
 
 
www.michaelplishka.com
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5FD88.6EEA8510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 20:03:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2BBA3BEF8; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <439B348E.1050209@dadaprod.org> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:03:26 +0100 From: sonic steph User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It's excellent! (Looper's Compilation Vol.3) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Remote: 81.185.107.163 () X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: fait|type 1&3|0|H 0.5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:03:32 +0000 (UTC) I did not know there was a compilation going on.. good stuff anyway.. I only have listened the mp3, some stuff seems really interisting, no one is releasing under free license? (Creative commons or Art Libre..) My top will be Electric Bird Noise and Zoe Keating stéphane -- _____________________________________________________________________ plateforme de téléchargement libre, label autogéré, média indépendant ----------------------- http://www.dadaprod.org _____________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 10 21:59:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5146D3BEFE; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:01:31 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: It's excellent! (Looper's Compilation Vol.3) In-Reply-To: <439B348E.1050209@dadaprod.org> Message-ID: References: <439B348E.1050209@dadaprod.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:59:21 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, sonic steph wrote: > I did not know there was a compilation going on.. good stuff anyway.. I only > have listened the mp3, some stuff seems really interisting, no one is > releasing under free license? (Creative commons or Art Libre..) All of Phasmatodea's work is released under a Creative Commons license. We have tons of material to upload to the audio portion of our site, actually. > My top will be Electric Bird Noise and Zoe Keating I like both of these, too. best, Steve B speaking as half of Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 03:42:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F9BF3BEFF; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000301c5fe05$69cd9720$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <439B348E.1050209@dadaprod.org> Subject: Big Band looper Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:46:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <3rYuuD.A.HsG.RA6mDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:42:09 +0000 (UTC) I just got the NeKo this week. It rocks. I've been building a looper that incorporates my Reaktor Big Band synth....not perfected yet, but check this out: http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/reaktorbigband/SwingInAbMono.mp3 Wow, is this thing powerful. Till now I've been using an old PC with a PIII, 500MHz. The Neko has a P4 at 3 GHz. Suddenly I can go totally nuts layering stuff. Wow. Haven't slept much this weekend... Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 08:15:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCB263BF04; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.188.43.217] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <008d01c5fa16$4a4c0e10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: korg wavedrum Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:15:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2005 08:15:02.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC2DF900:01C5FE2A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi all- I've just recently bought a korg wavedrum synthesizer, and I've gotta say - this thing is so perfect for looping its sick. I have been a bit frustrated by the challenge of micing and monitoring acoustic drums and percussion in a looping context for years now. I'm completely resistant to electronic drums and using samples, ect because I know firsthand how expressive an acoustic instrument can be. Well the wavedrum is every bit as expressive as an acoustic drum because its synthesis algorithm is based on trigger inputs, pressure sensing, AND an internal microphone. Anyway, just sharing my excitement. I know there are others on the list looping with a wavedrum - lets hear from you... Jon ps. I started a Yahoo discussion group for those of you who might be interested: korg_wavedrum-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 10:37:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECB3A3BEFF; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.77.48.106] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <008d01c5fa16$4a4c0e10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: korg wavedrum Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:37:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Lucky bugger! How much was it? Gareth > Hi all- > > I've just recently bought a korg wavedrum synthesizer, and I've gotta > say - this thing is so perfect for looping its sick. I have been a bit > frustrated by the challenge of micing and monitoring acoustic drums and > percussion in a looping context for years now. I'm completely resistant > to electronic drums and using samples, ect because I know firsthand how > expressive an acoustic instrument can be. Well the wavedrum is every bit > as expressive as an acoustic drum because its synthesis algorithm is based > on trigger inputs, pressure sensing, AND an internal microphone. > > Anyway, just sharing my excitement. I know there are others on the list > looping with a wavedrum - lets hear from you... > > Jon > > ps. I started a Yahoo discussion group for those of you who might be > interested: > korg_wavedrum-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 17:10:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 369D83BF11; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:10:42 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <43YKs.A.-6.Y2FnDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Matthias Grob wrote: > So if you want to record a full attack, you need to press the button > about 7ms before you play it - which does not seem to be a problem for > anyone. When I record into software, I delay the audio signal by the fadetime, and can then even hit exactly on the point without missing any attack. I am recording always, it never stops, when I want it to go into a loop, I route the delayed signal to the place I need it. This artificially introduced latency never hurts, but I need less practice for being on time. As instead of me learning how much I have to be in advance for a trigger, my software learns how much I am usually late if I feel I am on the "groove"... > you are exagerating. I know, ;-) > to trigger with audio is not that simple. Andy and > me spent quite some time to figure it out for the Mathons plugins. Its > never within a sample. And we want foot operation, and I doubt that a PC > can garantee 1.5ms for that. But there is no need. Praxis counts! I think if you just deliver a dc (a switch with a battery), even to an audio interface which does not pass dc itself, you should easily detect this loud click and use it as a trigger. You are right, if you use something like a drum sound to trigger, it takes a handfull of samples. But even then, if you know roughly the waveform in advance, it should only create latency, not jitter. But I agree, there is not much need, I never felt that my triggers where too jittery... > I dont think so. the 20us go for a RTOS when its clear that changing the > task is needed. On the Powerbook there are loads of threads running > already and there must be some priority avaliation that finially decides > to care for the MIDI event, which then resides in some buffer and so > on... I have no idea how long it takes, but I doubt you get to nano > seconds. Its probably still some microseconds, I agree, but its interupt driven, that means it will interupt ongoing other tasks of the operating system to receive it, get a timestamp, and then switches back. But I am sure its much less than the duration of one Midi event, which is roughly 1 ms. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 17:12:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BF2A3BF1A; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAAvmm0OCKYNjAQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051211165837.0285ccf0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:08:51 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: LD3 Compilation UK availability In-Reply-To: <20051210135942.165783BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051210135942.165783BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:12:16 +0000 (UTC) I'm really pleased to be on the Looper's Delight Compilation. Of course, it's available on Sunao's site at http://cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3/ but for UK folks, (and anyone else so inclined), I have some available at www.andybutler.com for =A36.50 ( and for those that don't trust credit cards,=20 email me off list for mail payment) The track I provided is called "ro-sham-bo" and features some rather nice EDP tricks including the infamous "Reverse Snipplets", which are only available for your perusal on this track. (.....and possibly never again :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 19:54:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 220FA3BF1B; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:56:58 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: recording tips from Wendy Carlos! In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120512091248q31c36cd9l36faf33386af1372@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <26ba8d120512091248q31c36cd9l36faf33386af1372@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:54:43 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Tom Ritchford wrote: > http://wendycarlos.com/resources/studiotips.html I thought this was great, thanks. Trying to decide if this would have done me more good before or after reading the new issue of TapeOp. regards, Steve B http://www.phasmatodea.net/ http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 20:30:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B21B3BF22; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GIaXRi8RMArNxDmocBSnLfIMZNpyPMYi14h+E+Q51x3TjJ8rOG4WD4iJ9uoTyMvmRTI5RLTlcTq73NIaDk+KkQn7vu4X7cjFOOZljeYdUq6/J4PeLn9PfCAE60C30eLUWsi44h+zcbQzllquFxnecanNDjUjRun5aanXkfHKe1w= ; Message-ID: <20051211203025.2555.qmail@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:30:25 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: korg wavedrum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1206716221-1134333025=:1306" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:30:28 +0000 (UTC) --0-1206716221-1134333025=:1306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yeah...preconcieved notions are often a wall we must demolish if one wants to keep it real... "gareth.whitcock" wrote: Lucky bugger! How much was it? Gareth > Hi all- > > I've just recently bought a korg wavedrum synthesizer, and I've gotta > say - this thing is so perfect for looping its sick. I have been a bit > frustrated by the challenge of micing and monitoring acoustic drums and > percussion in a looping context for years now. I'm completely resistant > to electronic drums and using samples, ect because I know firsthand how > expressive an acoustic instrument can be. Well the wavedrum is every bit > as expressive as an acoustic drum because its synthesis algorithm is based > on trigger inputs, pressure sensing, AND an internal microphone. > > Anyway, just sharing my excitement. I know there are others on the list > looping with a wavedrum - lets hear from you... > > Jon > > ps. I started a Yahoo discussion group for those of you who might be > interested: > korg_wavedrum-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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yeah...preconcieved notions are often a wall we must demolish if one wants to keep it real...

"gareth.whitcock" <gareth.whitcock@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Lucky bugger!
How much was it?

Gareth


> Hi all-
>
> I've just recently bought a korg wavedrum synthesizer, and I've gotta
> say - this thing is so perfect for looping its sick. I have been a bit
> frustrated by the challenge of micing and monitoring acoustic drums and
> percussion in a looping context for years now. I'm completely resistant
> to electronic drums and using samples, ect because I know firsthand how
> expressive an acoustic instrument can be. Well the wavedrum is every bit
> as expressive as an acoustic drum because its synthesis algorithm is based
> on trigger inputs, pressure sensing, AND an internal microphone.
>
> Anyway, just sharing my excitement. I know there are others on the list
> looping with a wavedrum - lets hear from you...
>
> Jon
>
> ps. I started a Yahoo discussion group for those of you who might be
> interested:
> korg_wavedrum-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --0-1206716221-1134333025=:1306-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 11 20:36:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD89B3BF27; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=F8lrzcxlYGuaxdUJXbHtLAKbg5WPmFNukm314LS8v57Eey8JpILe2Ah8Hpqc1heprtgQw1t3cK++VPqKVmd8rOF0M5VmVSvjMCxM/H3qvxCcSBNUKa92xcjVwXgKbiFrc29yntohL8+o3fFPOuxdkmLzgYfmxdTlN6cITQtpRP4= ; Message-ID: <20051211203628.12537.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:36:28 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: the new loop magazine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-376364734-1134333388=:10844" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:36:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-376364734-1134333388=:10844 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit create it....i will subsribe heck i would buy that before i would a "high times" but if omni came back out...damn you guccioni burnett@pobox.com wrote: On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Tom Ritchford wrote: > http://wendycarlos.com/resources/studiotips.html I thought this was great, thanks. Trying to decide if this would have done me more good before or after reading the new issue of TapeOp. regards, Steve B http://www.phasmatodea.net/ http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --0-376364734-1134333388=:10844 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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heck i would buy that before i would a "high times"
but if omni came back out...damn you guccioni

burnett@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Tom Ritchford wrote:

> http://wendycarlos.com/resources/studiotips.html

I thought this was great, thanks. Trying to decide if this would have done
me more good before or after reading the new issue of TapeOp.

regards,
Steve B
http://www.phasmatodea.net/
http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html


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Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --0-376364734-1134333388=:10844-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 01:19:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EABE33BF1E; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NnVYd8Hi148AIbrReTcuXeLoAX4XN7/92Gp2R74JTRjHlgC75uns1IOT4PSlP2GfhsybGuqksKWjjfi/ttKqX/fILStyfiuNrADds49EtAk04ZXfnSgH9x7NG5efQn+DL4YOHZcvg32zq6A/6ubDXkZutqKeXOI5IDtP13X83k0= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:19:12 -0500 From: Tony Hughes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: performance looping ? In-Reply-To: <010401c5fcb8$8c9e1700$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22513_10843072.1134350352094" References: <010401c5fcb8$8c9e1700$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:19:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_22513_10843072.1134350352094 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for the replies. I think I may be able to do what I want with two jammans. Record sample A onto jamman 1, record same sample onto jamman two (from jamman one). While sample A is playing on jamman 2, stop jamman one, save sample A then save sample A to another loop track. Record sample B onto jamman 1 (second loop track) having stopped jamman 2. Dump new sample A+B onto jamman 2 and repeat. This way, when I want to back down the loops until I reach sample A only, I can use jamman 1 and simply step down the different loop tracks. This should allow me to keep a continous sound whil= e stopping and recording so that I can undo until the beginning. Can I do this while performing? We shall see. Another question, is there any reason why a sufficiently adept electrical engineer could rig up a handheld switch to start and stop the record/overdu= b feature on the jamman (or any footpedal looper)? Seems simple enough, but then I don't know what I'm talking about. Oh, another question, does anyone have any ideas about timing looptracks while using the boss/digitech pedal loopers. Stopwatch? Computer. It seems essential in some cases to know where I am in the loop to overdub correctly. Thanks, Tony On 12/9/05, loop.pool wrote: > > only the Gibson Echoplex EDP with loop IV software will do what you wish > to accomplish. > they are between $800 and $1000 > the brand new LOOPERLATIVE (released at the next NAMM show in Anaheim in > January) may do that. > Let me check with the owner on that for you. > > best of luck! > > yours, Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tony Hughes > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:00 PM > *Subject:* performance looping ? > > I am a performance artist and have recently become interested in using > loops as ambient backgrounds for my performances. I have looked at the > hardware (mainly boss rc-20xl and digitech jamman =3D based on price rang= e, > under 500$ and performance capability). I bought the jamman and have bee= n > playing with it obsessively. There is one important thing that I want to= do > that I seem to be unable to complete. I want to be able to build a loop > with multiple samples and then unbuild it back to the original sample. I > can layer samples into the loop, but cannot undo past the one undo that y= ou > are given. I can do this in a studio setting by creating loop one, copyi= ng > it onto loop two and then adding a sample overdub and copying to loop thr= ee > etc...but I would like to be able to do this in realtime - in the studio > setting I have to stop the loop playing in order to save and resave to > another loop. Are there better ways to do what I am talking about, or do= I > need to figure out how to work with what I have. > > Thanks for any help. > > Tony > > ------=_Part_22513_10843072.1134350352094 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for the replies.  I think I may be able to do what I want with two jammans.  Record sample A onto jamman 1, record same sample onto jamman two (from jamman one).  While sample A is playing on jamman 2, stop jamman one, save sample A then save sample A to another loop track.  Record sample B onto jamman 1 (second loop track) having stopped jamman 2.  Dump new sample A+B onto jamman 2 and repeat.  This way, when I want to back down the loops until I reach sample A only, I can use jamman 1 and simply step down the different loop tracks.  This should allow me to keep a continous sound while stopping and recording so that I can undo until the beginning.  Can I do this while performing?  We shall see. 

Another question, is there any reason why a sufficiently adept electrical engineer could rig up a handheld switch to start and stop the record/overdub feature on the jamman (or any footpedal looper)?  Seems simple enough, but then I don't know what I'm talking about. 

Oh, another question, does anyone have any ideas about timing looptracks while using the boss/digitech pedal loopers.  Stopwatch?  Computer.  It seems essential in some cases to know where I am in the loop to overdub correctly.

Thanks,

Tony

On 12/9/05, loop.pool <looppo= ol@cruzio.com> wrote:
only the Gibson Echoplex EDP with loop IV softwar= e will do=20 what you wish to accomplish.
they are between $800 and $1000
the brand new LOOPERLATIVE (released at the next = NAMM show=20 in Anaheim in January) may do that.
Let me check with the owner on that for you.
 
best of luck!
 
yours,  Rick
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 = Tony=20 Hughes
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 = 8:00=20 PM
Subject: performance looping ?

I am a performance artist and have recently become interes= ted=20 in using loops as ambient backgrounds for my performances.  I have l= ooked=20 at the hardware (mainly boss rc-20xl and digitech jamman =3D based on pri= ce=20 range, under 500$ and performance capability).  I bought the jamman = and=20 have been playing with it obsessively.  There is one important thing= that=20 I want to do that I seem to be unable to complete.   I want to be ab= le to=20 build a loop with multiple samples and then unbuild it back to the origin= al=20 sample.  I can layer samples into the loop, but cannot undo past the= one=20 undo that you are given.  I can do this in a studio setting by creat= ing=20 loop one, copying it onto loop two and then adding a sample overdub and= =20 copying to loop three etc...but I would like to be able to do this in rea= ltime=20 - in the studio setting I have to stop the loop playing in order to save = and=20 resave to another loop.  Are there better ways to do what I am talki= ng=20 about, or do I need to figure out how to work with what I have. =20

Thanks for any help.

Tony=20             &= nbsp;     =20

------=_Part_22513_10843072.1134350352094-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 01:54:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC7AF3BF2A; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: scott@dreamstate.to via o2.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.0727 secs) Message-ID: <1195.65.94.48.202.1134352488.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> In-Reply-To: References: <010401c5fcb8$8c9e1700$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:54:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: performance looping ? From: scott@dreamstate.to To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:54:44 +0000 (UTC) With two Jammen :) aren't you approaching the cost of an EDP. You wouldn't need all the transfering back and forth - just build it up then keep hitting the Undo button. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > Thanks for the replies. I think I may be able to do what I want with two > jammans. Record sample A onto jamman 1, record same sample onto jamman > two > (from jamman one). While sample A is playing on jamman 2, stop jamman > one, > save sample A then save sample A to another loop track. Record sample B > onto jamman 1 (second loop track) having stopped jamman 2. Dump new > sample > A+B onto jamman 2 and repeat. This way, when I want to back down the > loops > until I reach sample A only, I can use jamman 1 and simply step down the > different loop tracks. This should allow me to keep a continous sound > while > stopping and recording so that I can undo until the beginning. Can I do > this while performing? We shall see. > > Another question, is there any reason why a sufficiently adept electrical > engineer could rig up a handheld switch to start and stop the > record/overdub > feature on the jamman (or any footpedal looper)? Seems simple enough, but > then I don't know what I'm talking about. > > Oh, another question, does anyone have any ideas about timing looptracks > while using the boss/digitech pedal loopers. Stopwatch? Computer. It > seems essential in some cases to know where I am in the loop to overdub > correctly. > > Thanks, > > Tony > > On 12/9/05, loop.pool wrote: >> >> only the Gibson Echoplex EDP with loop IV software will do what you wish >> to accomplish. >> they are between $800 and $1000 >> the brand new LOOPERLATIVE (released at the next NAMM show in Anaheim in >> January) may do that. >> Let me check with the owner on that for you. >> >> best of luck! >> >> yours, Rick >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Tony Hughes >> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:00 PM >> *Subject:* performance looping ? >> >> I am a performance artist and have recently become interested in using >> loops as ambient backgrounds for my performances. I have looked at the >> hardware (mainly boss rc-20xl and digitech jamman = based on price >> range, >> under 500$ and performance capability). I bought the jamman and have >> been >> playing with it obsessively. There is one important thing that I want >> to do >> that I seem to be unable to complete. I want to be able to build a >> loop >> with multiple samples and then unbuild it back to the original sample. >> I >> can layer samples into the loop, but cannot undo past the one undo that >> you >> are given. I can do this in a studio setting by creating loop one, >> copying >> it onto loop two and then adding a sample overdub and copying to loop >> three >> etc...but I would like to be able to do this in realtime - in the studio >> setting I have to stop the loop playing in order to save and resave to >> another loop. Are there better ways to do what I am talking about, or >> do I >> need to figure out how to work with what I have. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 03:07:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 035433BF2B; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 03:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: performance looping ? Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:09:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0167_01C5FE9F.84F4AD50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcX+uhBB87W+L6DdSoClOlUQDilxBwADtHWw Message-Id: <20051212030659.7D65C3BF12@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 03:07:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0167_01C5FE9F.84F4AD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This can be done on an original jamman with the addition of bob sellon's "special rom", available on www.jamman.org He is also working on getting the special rom ported to the 'ReJam', currently on sale at the same website. Basically $400 + $50 for the special rom. _____ From: Tony Hughes [mailto:hughes.tony@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 8:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: performance looping ? Thanks for the replies. I think I may be able to do what I want with two jammans. Record sample A onto jamman 1, record same sample onto jamman two (from jamman one). While sample A is playing on jamman 2, stop jamman one, save sample A then save sample A to another loop track. Record sample B onto jamman 1 (second loop track) having stopped jamman 2. Dump new sample A+B onto jamman 2 and repeat. This way, when I want to back down the loops until I reach sample A only, I can use jamman 1 and simply step down the different loop tracks. This should allow me to keep a continous sound while stopping and recording so that I can undo until the beginning. Can I do this while performing? We shall see. Another question, is there any reason why a sufficiently adept electrical engineer could rig up a handheld switch to start and stop the record/overdub feature on the jamman (or any footpedal looper)? Seems simple enough, but then I don't know what I'm talking about. Oh, another question, does anyone have any ideas about timing looptracks while using the boss/digitech pedal loopers. Stopwatch? Computer. It seems essential in some cases to know where I am in the loop to overdub correctly. Thanks, Tony On 12/9/05, loop.pool wrote: only the Gibson Echoplex EDP with loop IV software will do what you wish to accomplish. they are between $800 and $1000 the brand new LOOPERLATIVE (released at the next NAMM show in Anaheim in January) may do that. Let me check with the owner on that for you. best of luck! yours, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Hughes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: performance looping ? I am a performance artist and have recently become interested in using loops as ambient backgrounds for my performances. I have looked at the hardware (mainly boss rc-20xl and digitech jamman = based on price range, under 500$ and performance capability). I bought the jamman and have been playing with it obsessively. There is one important thing that I want to do that I seem to be unable to complete. I want to be able to build a loop with multiple samples and then unbuild it back to the original sample. I can layer samples into the loop, but cannot undo past the one undo that you are given. I can do this in a studio setting by creating loop one, copying it onto loop two and then adding a sample overdub and copying to loop three etc...but I would like to be able to do this in realtime - in the studio setting I have to stop the loop playing in order to save and resave to another loop. Are there better ways to do what I am talking about, or do I need to figure out how to work with what I have. Thanks for any help. Tony ------=_NextPart_000_0167_01C5FE9F.84F4AD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This can be done on an original = jamman with the addition of bob sellon’s “special rom”, available = on www.jamman.org

 

He is also working on getting the = special rom ported to the ‘ReJam’, currently on sale at the same = website. Basically $400 + $50 for the special rom.

 

From: Tony = Hughes [mailto:hughes.tony@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December = 11, 2005 8:19 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: performance = looping ?

 

Thanks for the replies.  I think I may be able to do what I want with two = jammans.  Record sample A onto jamman 1, record same sample onto jamman two (from = jamman one).  While sample A is playing on jamman 2, stop jamman one, save = sample A then save sample A to another loop track.  Record sample B onto = jamman 1 (second loop track) having stopped jamman 2.  Dump new sample A+B = onto jamman 2 and repeat.  This way, when I want to back down the loops = until I reach sample A only, I can use jamman 1 and simply step down the = different loop tracks.  This should allow me to keep a continous sound while = stopping and recording so that I can undo until the beginning.  Can I do this = while performing?  We shall see. 

Another question, is there any reason why a sufficiently adept = electrical engineer could rig up a handheld switch to start and stop the = record/overdub feature on the jamman (or any footpedal looper)?  Seems simple = enough, but then I don't know what I'm talking about. 

Oh, another question, does anyone have any ideas about timing looptracks = while using the boss/digitech pedal loopers.  Stopwatch?  = Computer.  It seems essential in some cases to know where I am in the loop to = overdub correctly.

Thanks,

Tony

On 12/9/05, loop.pool <looppool@cruzio.com> = wrote:

only the Gibson Echoplex EDP with loop IV software = will do what you wish to accomplish.

they are between $800 and $1000 =

the brand new LOOPERLATIVE (released at the next NAMM = show in Anaheim in January) may do that.

Let me check with the owner on that for = you.

 

best of luck!

 

yours,  Rick

 

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Tony Hughes =

Sent: = Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:00 PM

Subject: = performance looping ?

 

I am a performance artist and have recently become interested in = using loops as ambient backgrounds for my performances.  I have looked at = the hardware (mainly boss rc-20xl and digitech jamman =3D based on price = range, under 500$ and performance capability).  I bought the jamman and have = been playing with it obsessively.  There is one important thing that I = want to do that I seem to be unable to complete.   I want to be able to = build a loop with multiple samples and then unbuild it back to the original sample.  I can layer samples into the loop, but cannot undo past = the one undo that you are given.  I can do this in a studio setting by = creating loop one, copying it onto loop two and then adding a sample overdub and = copying to loop three etc...but I would like to be able to do this in realtime - = in the studio setting I have to stop the loop playing in order to save and = resave to another loop.  Are there better ways to do what I am talking about, = or do I need to figure out how to work with what I have. 

Thanks for any help.

Tony             &= nbsp;     

 

------=_NextPart_000_0167_01C5FE9F.84F4AD50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 03:54:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC1283BF38; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 03:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: scott@dreamstate.to via o2.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.076298 secs) Message-ID: <2591.65.94.48.202.1134359688.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> In-Reply-To: References: <010401c5fcb8$8c9e1700$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <1195.65.94.48.202.1134352488.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:54:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: performance looping ? From: scott@dreamstate.to To: "Tony Hughes" Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0ijvL.A.F6C.DSPnDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 03:54:43 +0000 (UTC) > I keep running into this magic number: 198 seconds. Is it true that the > EDP > only allows for 198 seconds of recorded information? That's the main > reason > I keep going back to the jamman. > > Tony That's true - 198 seconds total and your undoable loops have to be part of that total - so maybe the EDP won't do what you need. Best of luck with the Jammen. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > On 12/11/05, scott@dreamstate.to wrote: >> >> With two Jammen :) aren't you approaching the cost of an EDP. >> You wouldn't need all the transfering back and forth - >> just build it up then keep hitting the Undo button. >> >> Cheers, >> Scott M2 >> >> http://www.dreamSTATE.to >> ambientelectronicsoundscapes >> http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com >> >> >> > Thanks for the replies. I think I may be able to do what I want with >> two >> > jammans. Record sample A onto jamman 1, record same sample onto >> jamman >> > two >> > (from jamman one). While sample A is playing on jamman 2, stop jamman >> > one, >> > save sample A then save sample A to another loop track. Record sample >> B >> > onto jamman 1 (second loop track) having stopped jamman 2. Dump new >> > sample >> > A+B onto jamman 2 and repeat. This way, when I want to back down the >> > loops >> > until I reach sample A only, I can use jamman 1 and simply step down >> the >> > different loop tracks. This should allow me to keep a continous sound >> > while >> > stopping and recording so that I can undo until the beginning. Can I >> do >> > this while performing? We shall see. >> > >> > Another question, is there any reason why a sufficiently adept >> electrical >> > engineer could rig up a handheld switch to start and stop the >> > record/overdub >> > feature on the jamman (or any footpedal looper)? Seems simple enough, >> but >> > then I don't know what I'm talking about. >> > >> > Oh, another question, does anyone have any ideas about timing >> looptracks >> > while using the boss/digitech pedal loopers. Stopwatch? Computer. >> It >> > seems essential in some cases to know where I am in the loop to >> overdub >> > correctly. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Tony >> > >> > On 12/9/05, loop.pool wrote: >> >> >> >> only the Gibson Echoplex EDP with loop IV software will do what you >> wish >> >> to accomplish. >> >> they are between $800 and $1000 >> >> the brand new LOOPERLATIVE (released at the next NAMM show in Anaheim >> in >> >> January) may do that. >> >> Let me check with the owner on that for you. >> >> >> >> best of luck! >> >> >> >> yours, Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Tony Hughes >> >> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:00 PM >> >> *Subject:* performance looping ? >> >> >> >> I am a performance artist and have recently become interested in >> using >> >> loops as ambient backgrounds for my performances. I have looked at >> the >> >> hardware (mainly boss rc-20xl and digitech jamman = based on price >> >> range, >> >> under 500$ and performance capability). I bought the jamman and have >> >> been >> >> playing with it obsessively. There is one important thing that I >> want >> >> to do >> >> that I seem to be unable to complete. I want to be able to build a >> >> loop >> >> with multiple samples and then unbuild it back to the original >> sample. >> >> I >> >> can layer samples into the loop, but cannot undo past the one undo >> that >> >> you >> >> are given. I can do this in a studio setting by creating loop one, >> >> copying >> >> it onto loop two and then adding a sample overdub and copying to loop >> >> three >> >> etc...but I would like to be able to do this in realtime - in the >> studio >> >> setting I have to stop the loop playing in order to save and resave >> to >> >> another loop. Are there better ways to do what I am talking about, >> or >> >> do I >> >> need to figure out how to work with what I have. >> >> >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> >> >> Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 04:09:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD68B3BF30; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents Paydirt and Gnostic Rocket Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:16:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c5fed2$debc0b20$0e02a8c0@nec> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Originating-IP: [0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Wow! - It's the last PiNG of 2005. Thanks to everyone who's been coming out to support the series and the performers. In 2006 I'll be stepping back from the bookings and promo fronts and Jamie Todd will be stepping up to the plate. After 6 years of giving the PiNG my prime-time, it's time for me to focus on completing a few more dreamSTATE albums. Don't miss rik maclean's column later in this newsletter as he delivers his Top 10 for 2005. Peace and Love from all of us at the PiNG. - Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor - Toronto (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday December 13th - Gnostic Rocket and Paydirt Gnostic Rocket is an experiment in rhythm, repetition and controlled chaos. It is built on a foundation of dub and experimental music, utilising Theremin (channeled through a Korg X911 guitar synth), Yamaha CS-01 analog synth with breath controller, Korg ER1 drum machine, self-generated samples and the Springboard Dub, a custom designed delay/effects/sound-generating unit by Arius Blaze (www.audible-ism.com). No laptops here. Intensive delay and unpredictable analog sound generators with unusual control features allow a unique improvisation between man and machine, each feeding into and leading the other. An attempt to dethrone the tyranny of the mind and reify the body, Gnostic Rocket is a one-man project of Toronto-based Steve Barber, who has performed with a diverse roster of artists including: Keyop, The Weights, Syntonics, Bodega, Alvy, and most recently, Evil Doers. Paydirt is Linux man Daphydd Hughes http://www.sideshowmedia.ca/ along with toy boy Dave Clark http://www.woodchoppers.com/davidjclark/ and stringulator Joe Lapinski. http://www.yummyrecordings.ca/joe/ Together these lads sift, shake and shape sound into smooth and creamy textures one moment and shards of loving joy the next. Each of these characters brings humour and intensity to the Paydirt sound. Paydirt delivers the bread and the cheese directly from the source. Between Sets CD - "PASSAGE" by dreamSTATE It's the end of the year & we haven't featured the latest dreamSTATE release "PASSAGE" yet between sets. The CD is a soundscape journey from the light into darkness and back again. http://www.dreamstate.to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday January 3rd 2006 - Repair and Self-Service http://www.theambientping.com/thiesen/home.html http://www.repair-lab.com/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Since this is the last PiNG mail out for 2005, I thought that I'd jump on the year end bandwagon and do a retrospective of some of my favorite releases from the last twelve months. It's a nice way to further promote some of the best work that's come along over the year, and much like clip shows on your favorite sitcoms, it means that I don't have to work as hard to write a new review. It's a win/win situation for everybody! So here is my list of some of my favorite discs for the year. And before anybody gets into a tizzy, please note that the discs are alphabetical. Trying to put them in some sort of order is just too difficult for somebody with my limited intellectual capacity. Better to imagine that all of these discs are excellent & leave it at that. In their own way each one is the best disc of the year. Akumu "Magmas" Akumu's exploration of diverse and beautiful sound sources continues. Using source material from a recent trip to South America, Deane Hughes has created one of the most emotional and moving pieces of abstract electronic work I've heard this or any other year. Sara Ayers "A Million Stories" Sara Ayers' latest release showcases her incredible talents with a moving study of environment and atmosphere. It's a tale spun through voice and sound and music, a true work of art by one of the most talented people I have had the joy of knowing. Nadja "Body Cage" Choosing a single release by Aidan Baker is very difficult, especially in a year like this one where he's put out sooooooo much great music. But when I had to make a choice, I couldn't help but think that "Body Cage", a conceptual disc by Baker's darker side project Nadia, was the best of his 2005 releases. It's a fascinating piece of work influenced by the condition Fibrodysplasia Ossificans Progressiva, a rare illness where muscles and connective tissue slowly turn to bone ultimately causing immobility. By way of slowly building tension, a sense of dread and unease, the disc succinctly and powerfully captures the fear of one's body slowly becoming a prison. Powerful and emotive, "Body Cage" is most certainly an excellent example of uneasy listening. The Circular Ruins "Degrees of Separation" The Circular Ruins returned in 2005 with "Degrees of Separation", an inspired and beautiful new work which proves once again that Anthony Paul Kirby is an impressive musical talent with a firm understanding of ambient/electronic ideals. It's a stunning collection that stands up with the best of Kirby's catalogue, continuing and developing on the work that he's done in the past. dreamSTATE "Passage" Fans of Toronto electronic artists dreamSTATE were thrilled by the 2005 release of "Passage", a series of soundscapes specially created for an installation mounted in Goderich, Ontario. Inspired by the poetry of Lynn Harigan from her book Moon Sea Crossing, "Passage" tells the story of Aina, an Irish immigrant who settles in Huron District during the 1840s. Her life during this time is filled with hardship and turmoil, ultimately resulting in a mental breakdown, which leads to her being confined in the Huron District Gaol where her mental state further declines. Through a masterful creation of sound and environment, dreamSTATE is able to draw the listener into Aina's plight and brings her story to life in a powerful and haunting manner. "Passage" proves that dreamSTATE are among the brightest stars in the Ambient/Electronic scene today. The Machine in the Garden "Shadow Puppets" I've been a fan of the Machine in the Garden for some time now, having been introduced to them in the early days through a chance discovery on mp3.com. They've always impressed me with their sophistication, the elegance of their lyrics and their excellent musicianship. I hold them in very high regard and I look forward to each new release with a tremendous sense of anticipation. But nothing could have prepared me for the brilliance of their latest disc, "Shadow Puppets". Summer Bowman and Roger Frace of the Machine in the Garden have surpassed all previous expectations presented by earlier discs & created an epic, beautiful collection of songs that stand among the best I've heard so far this year. "Shadow Puppets" is truly wonderful darkwave from one of my favorite bands in the genre. Mercurine "Waiting for Another Fall" I heart Mercurine and with the release of "Waiting for Another Fall" I heart them even more than I did before. They create nu-wav/pop bliss that is by turns joyous, happy, celebratory, cerebral, intense, tense and just a little creepy, but in a good way. They are a band who have nurtured and developed their already impressive skills and they are a band who are destined for great things some day very soon. Without doubt Mercurine shine on this disc and you owe it to yourself to hear them now so that you can say you knew them when. You don't want to be a bandwagon jumper when they're playing the Enormodome... Numina "Eye of the Nautilus" Another collection of stunning and beautiful works by the brilliant Jesse Sola. "Eye of the Nautilus" is subtle and magical, playing right on the periphery of the senses. I sit very still while I'm listening to it, afraid that any movement or noise might mean that I miss some of it, something crucial. Something important. It requires focus. And it returns that focus with an intense beauty. Shimmering. Wonderful. Sylken "Terraforms" Eric Hopper's collaborative project Sylken released Terraforms" at the end of 2005, and it's a beautiful example of the ambient ideal. Working with some of the brightest talents in the AMBiENT PiNG community including frequent collaborator Steven Sauve, along with Wally Jericho, Jamie Todd of dreamSTATE, Terry O'Brien of Anomolous Disturbances and Gregory Kyryluk of Alpha Wave Movement, Hopper has collected a series of melodic ambient tracks of great beauty and wonder. An astounding work by some astounding artists. Tara VanFlower "My Little Fire-Filled Heart" With "My Little Fire-Filled Heart" Tara VanFlower has created a diverse collection of songs, all of which wonderfully showcase not only her writing and vocal skills but also her eclectic and unique approach to music. "My Little Fire-Filled Heart" is a stunning collection of work by one of my favorite artists. So there you have it. Ten discs that made 2005 one of the best in recent history for musical releases. They're all great, all worth checking out. And if you're interested, they're all available at ping things... Happy Holidays! rik maclean - ping things rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 04:13:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCA123BF3C; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SC31z3l3M96L+iJWxzjC/niPg9h0zo6gAxN/aYfJMtJRjlfUGagmnd6x0Ntx4ovrKLhojnvCmTCSIEW3GRmkn3kGE9B6U2wreymJgc7n1zF1ZfWK3sPt0mdyeQwSZjvGIQ3Boupg+oAOsws1oAjFhFyjyxtv6M4S7s+HGli88IQ= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:13:22 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: performance looping ? In-Reply-To: <2591.65.94.48.202.1134359688.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <010401c5fcb8$8c9e1700$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <1195.65.94.48.202.1134352488.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> <2591.65.94.48.202.1134359688.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:13:23 +0000 (UTC) How long are your loops, and how many are you wanting available for a typical piece? The scenario you outlined in your earlier post seemed to indicate that three loops would pretty much cover it (with undo ability), but amount of button and pedal pushes you'd have to keep track of in the two-JamMan scenario sounds like a formula for frequent undesired mishaps in a live situation. TravisH On 12/11/05, scott@dreamstate.to wrote: > > I keep running into this magic number: 198 seconds. Is it true that th= e > > EDP > > only allows for 198 seconds of recorded information? That's the main > > reason > > I keep going back to the jamman. > > > > Tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 04:52:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68E6A3BF44; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051211203446.04d53b48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:54:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: performance looping ? In-Reply-To: <2591.65.94.48.202.1134359688.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> References: <010401c5fcb8$8c9e1700$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <1195.65.94.48.202.1134352488.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> <2591.65.94.48.202.1134359688.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:52:23 +0000 (UTC) At 07:54 PM 12/11/2005, hughes.tony@gmail.com wrote: > > I keep running into this magic number: 198 seconds. Is it true that > the EDP > > only allows for 198 seconds of recorded information? That's the main > reason > > I keep going back to the jamman. what is it you are planning to do that 198 seconds of loop time would not be enough? I'm just curious what application would need so much. I don't think I've seen anyone running into that as a limitation in any practical context, but maybe you maybe your pieces are really, really long... > >> > Thanks for the replies. I think I may be able to do what I want > with two > >> > jammans. Record sample A onto jamman 1, record same sample onto jamman > >> > two (from jamman one). How would you get the loop time in jamman 2 to equal the time on jamman 1, and do it in real time? The Digitech JamMan doesn't have any sync features, so I don't see how this would be possible. > >> > Oh, another question, does anyone have any ideas about timing looptracks > >> > while using the boss/digitech pedal loopers. Stopwatch? Computer. It > >> > seems essential in some cases to know where I am in the loop to overdub > >> > correctly. Like others suggested, this sounds like another reason why you might want to look at a higher-end looper. Those usually have much more display features. You can't really expect the low end products to do everything. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 07:09:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 884413BF46; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 43972ae3edc9ff32baa2078c5ab5a515 Received-SPF: pass (mubende.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.8 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.8; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[192.168.1.2]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 04:09:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Real-time category Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5voTp.A.sk.eISnDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:09:18 +0000 (UTC) >Matthias Grob wrote: >>So if you want to record a full attack, you need to press the >>button about 7ms before you play it - which does not seem to be a >>problem for anyone. > >When I record into software, I delay the audio signal by the >fadetime, and can then even hit exactly on the point without missing >any attack. ah, ok, once you accept some latency by the HW anyway, this is a slight increase. >I am recording always, it never stops, when I want it to go into a >loop, I route the delayed signal to the place I need it. This >artificially introduced latency never hurts, but I need less >practice for being on time. >As instead of me learning how much I have to be in advance for a >trigger, my software learns how much I am usually late if I feel I >am on the "groove"... great! >you are exagerating. I am not sure what you mean, but anyway I am aware that the EDP method can be improved but its not an urgent issue because I hardly remember anyone having complained about it. In general I wonder how much we can improve the technology to make it easier for the musician. I think that one of the reasons why looping is not big in the world yet is that we still rarely see a show where the looping is perfect and does not cause any sorrows or unintended musical fixes. Most of us (musicians and public) dont mind or even like such interferences, but its still hard to imagine that a musician would risk to loop five minutes at the opening of the olympic games for example. from this thread, my confidence grew that the PC may become more important than dedicated hardware soon. The tricks you are talking about can be created on hardware, too. But its easier on the PC and we got the screen to show states and loop contents better and all kinds of ports to interface with instruments, controlers, video... The same loop tool can be used in a cheap laptop with the internal sound converters for a live job and for recording in a multitrack high quality studio, where its easier to keep sync between many musicians and record all time information and sound fragments to create an optimized final mix. And PC hardware is a available in a variety of quality and price in the whole civilized world, which will give looping a boost in the third world. But still, there is a lot of programming work to do and it seems hard to make money from it :-( > >I know, ;-) > >>to trigger with audio is not that simple. Andy and me spent quite >>some time to figure it out for the Mathons plugins. Its never >>within a sample. And we want foot operation, and I doubt that a PC >>can garantee 1.5ms for that. But there is no need. Praxis counts! > >I think if you just deliver a dc (a switch with a battery), even to >an audio interface which does not pass dc itself, you should easily >detect this loud click and use it as a trigger. sure, I had not understood audio trigger this way. Interesting idea... the foot switch would send such an audio trigger at each pedal press to transmit its exact timing and in parallel send the MIDI command to give the trigger its meaning? And then hope that the MIDI command arrives first... It would require its own specific Audio/MIDI interface so the user would not even notice that one audio channel is spent for this! Did you plan or even do this or did it just come up here? :-) >You are right, if you use something like a drum sound to trigger, it >takes a handfull of samples. But even then, if you know roughly the >waveform in advance, it should only create latency, not jitter. yeah, this brings up the picture of a drummer that "records" a single hit of one of his instruments as a reference and than starts playing and the loop is automatically established between two (or 3...) hits on that same instrument > >But I agree, there is not much need, I never felt that my triggers >where too jittery... > >>I dont think so. the 20us go for a RTOS when its clear that >>changing the task is needed. On the Powerbook there are loads of >>threads running already and there must be some priority avaliation >>that finially decides to care for the MIDI event, which then >>resides in some buffer and so on... I have no idea how long it >>takes, but I doubt you get to nano seconds. > >Its probably still some microseconds, I agree, but its interupt >driven, that means it will interupt ongoing other tasks of the >operating system to receive it, get a timestamp, and then switches >back. But I am sure its much less than the duration of one Midi >event, which is roughly 1 ms. ok, the time stamp may be a lot more acurate than the execution. Depending on what the MIDI event means, its delay can be corrected with the timestamp (do you do that?) or not. For example the loop lenght can be corrected with the time stamp of the two Record commands, but we want the old loop to shut up immediately at StartRecord, so the time stamp does not help, so the time from the interrupt to its interpretation in the audio app plus the fade out time counts, correct? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 11:17:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4F253BF01; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051212111713182.2C9EB7000049@mwinf1302.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <439D5C32.2010209@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:17:06 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Matthias Grob wrote: >> I think if you just deliver a dc (a switch with a battery), even to an >> audio interface which does not pass dc itself, you should easily >> detect this loud click and use it as a trigger. > > sure, I had not understood audio trigger this way. Interesting idea... > the foot switch would send such an audio trigger at each pedal press to > transmit its exact timing and in parallel send the MIDI command to give > the trigger its meaning? And then hope that the MIDI command arrives > first... > It would require its own specific Audio/MIDI interface so the user would > not even notice that one audio channel is spent for this! > Did you plan or even do this or did it just come up here? :-) For my personal needs I never needed that precision and would rather keep my audio ins for musical input, but I've done a lot realworld problem solving and I am sure its possible to make it run with an afternoon... (you guessed right, it just came up here) > ok, the time stamp may be a lot more acurate than the execution. > Depending on what the MIDI event means, its delay can be corrected with > the timestamp (do you do that?) or not. For example the loop lenght can > be corrected with the time stamp of the two Record commands, but we want > the old loop to shut up immediately at StartRecord, so the time stamp > does not help, so the time from the interrupt to its interpretation in > the audio app plus the fade out time counts, correct? If you want to shut up something, you'd always want to fade it out, fade out is way less critical than triggering in terms of timing. Usually you'd even add some reverb, or have a pretty long fade time (magnitudes longer than usual response time) to let it feel more natural. By the way, start recording and stop playback are completely independent in my software loopers, they could be triggered by the same event though. The timestamp idea should just explain how you could deal with information in general. You would definitly need this technique if you network several computers, as networks are optimized for throughput and not for realtime applications. For my live setups with one computer I never needed timestamping yet, but I will introduce this into my next projects, for just keeping an order and information about events in general. It will certainly improve the overal timing as well. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 11:23:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D54CD3BF15; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CADPqnEOCKYNlAQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051212105853.02857eb0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:20:26 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Real-time category In-Reply-To: <20051211203631.9395D3BF30@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051211203631.9395D3BF30@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:23:47 +0000 (UTC) >In case of going to a recording mode, we still have to wait for the >fade in which happens in a analog VCA chip. >So if you want to record a full attack, you need to press the button >about 7ms before you play it - which does not seem to be a problem for anyone. I had a problem once or twice. When trying to copy a rhythmic Vortex loop onto the edps it was hard to get the first attack of the loop, and in the past I sometimes had a problem when playing. ...but now somehow the problem doesn't happen. I guess that the mind can compensate, and move the foot just a little bit early. The mind and body have so many latencies already, (and jitter?) , so somehow we manage to compensate for those. Not only is there the time to send a "command" to the foot to make the button press, but also there's a long delay from the time a sound enters the ear till we become conscious of it. Around 100ms! (or something like that). This leaves us with 2 possible conclusions 1) "Software loopers" running on computers are usable for music. 2) Humans, who lack a RTOS, are unsuitable for playing music :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 14:14:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C8993BECC; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051212105853.02857eb0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20051211203631.9395D3BF30@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051212105853.02857eb0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <54BCFB78-E848-4A25-A74A-7CB12BB4BBEE@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Real-time category Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:14:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:14:47 +0000 (UTC) On 12 dec 2005, at 12.20, a k butler wrote: > This leaves us with 2 possible conclusions > > 1) "Software loopers" running on computers are usable for music. > 2) Humans, who lack a RTOS, are unsuitable for playing music Which means the final solution is to upload the human consciousness to the computer - Going Digital ;-) Greetings from Everywere Per Wintermute From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 15:06:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 493253BEDC; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <54BCFB78-E848-4A25-A74A-7CB12BB4BBEE@boysen.se> References: <20051211203631.9395D3BF30@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051212105853.02857eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <54BCFB78-E848-4A25-A74A-7CB12BB4BBEE@boysen.se> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:06:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Real-time category Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-JxxgC.A.znC.SIZnDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:06:59 +0000 (UTC) At 3:14 PM +0100 12/12/05, Per Boysen wrote: > >Greetings from Everywere > >Per Wintermute ROTF LMAO! Nice one, Per... :) -- Count Zero Interrupt. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 17:06:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DF5C3BED9; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TvQbR6klcJ7w63aQa0k1OMB22WkWJLtsf+J3QWmPmmg01l5uFwHLM52CDGuzEipZRF499iM5OHItuki+Y+IxPLJfrvx8kXswaSXxpWUERvZx4doukairUAos+Ewqz17dEBJQNqmwYX9XflYnfF++WWw+Se5shAIcIkvo5xHFxBE= ; Message-ID: <20051212170625.23803.qmail@web34904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:06:25 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: semi off-topic/wtb: floor pedals To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2068143021-1134407185=:21037" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:06:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-2068143021-1134407185=:21037 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a musical project that I'd like to get started and it involves a variety of effect pedals. Before I start cruising ebay, I'm wondering if anybody here has (or knows somebody that has) stomp-boxes that they don't use. I’m not fussy about the brand but there are five conditions: 1) it has to be inexpensive. 2) it has to be in working condition. I don't care about scratches and I'll accept pedals that don't function well or are difficult to control, i.e., an octave pedal that doesn't track satisfactorily, etc. 3) it has to be a floor effect, not rack-based. 4) it has to be able to run off a 9v adaptor (you don't have to supply the adaptor) as I don't want batteries involved. 5) it has to be inexpensive. I don't have a wads of cash for this project so the name of this game is quantity, not quality. ;-) Not sure if I’m going to get a deluge here or not but I'm not going to say that I'll unconditionally accept all pedals. Please email me at ditchwrestler@yahoo.com and tell me what you've got and what you want for it. ted --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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I have a musical project that I'd like to get started and it involves a variety of effect pedals.  Before I start cruising ebay, I'm wondering if anybody here has (or knows somebody that has) stomp-boxes that they don't use.
 
I’m not fussy about the brand but there are five conditions:
 
1) it has to be inexpensive.
2) it has to be in working condition.  I don't care about scratches and I'll accept pedals that don't function well or are difficult to control, i.e., an octave pedal that doesn't track satisfactorily, etc.
3) it has to be a floor effect, not rack-based.
4) it has to be able to run off a 9v adaptor (you don't have to supply the adaptor) as I don't want batteries involved.
5) it has to be inexpensive.
 
I don't have a wads of cash for this project so the name of this game is quantity, not quality. ;-)
 
Not sure if I’m going to get a deluge here or not but I'm not going to say that I'll unconditionally accept all pedals.  Please email me at ditchwrestler@yahoo.com and tell me what you've got and what you want for it.
 
 
ted

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Shopping --0-2068143021-1134407185=:21037-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 17:53:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DB603BEDF; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAJxFnUOCKYNlAQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051212174149.02860de0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:49:42 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Real-time category In-Reply-To: <20051212170630.30E253BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051212170630.30E253BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Stephan says >>I think if you just deliver a dc (a switch with a battery), even to >>an audio interface which does not pass dc itself, you should easily >>detect this loud click and use it as a trigger. Great idea. To start with there's the problem that you use up a whole audio channel for just one switch :-( Well, how about using a SPDIF input. The hardware pedal could generate a different digital value for each button. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 18:45:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FF1E3BEE4; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:45:06 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: <439D5C32.2010209@addcom.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <439DC532.1080309@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> <439D5C32.2010209@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Stefan Tiedje wrote: > If you want to shut up something, you'd always want to fade it out, fade > out is way less critical than triggering in terms of timing. Yes, I don't think the delayed fade out is a big problem. If the fade happens exactly on the attack of a loud sound, you might hear a little "bump" if you're transitioning into silence. But if you're triggering something it's hard to notice. The fade can also be done very rapidly, I find a fade range of 128 samples sounds fine, that's only about 3ms. But the discussion has now reached the one area where I think an RTOS has a clear advantage: triggering or any other form of unquantized change to what is being played. Here, output latency is critical and an RTOS will provide lower latency than a general purpose OS. With an ASIO buffer size of 256, the sound card behaves like a 5.8ms delay line. This number must be added to the MIDI latency to get the delay between when a key is pressed and a sound is heard, around 7 to 8ms. Many people find this acceptable, or are at least willing to tolerate it because they have other reasons for using a PC. For EDP style looping this affects the following functions: NextLoop/Trigger/Retrigger/SamplePlay Record Stop (begin playback of initial recording) Unrounded Multiply Replace Stop (resume playback after replace) Unmute Undo Reverse Halfspeed In a soft-synth, the sample is delayed slightly but it plays accurately from the beginning. But in a system that is recording and playing at the same time, like a looper, we have another problem, making sure that what we are playing is aligned with what we are recording. We must always be playing 5.8ms ahead of where the musician thinks they are. When a trigger command is received, we've already asked the sound card to play the next 5.8ms of the current loop and we must let that happen. But now we can't start playing from the beginning of the next loop, we have to start playing 5.8ms into the next loop or else the recording and playback positions will be out of alignment and overdubs will start to sound like they are in the wrong place. This adjustment is most noticeable in Record Stop and the triggering functions because it will cut off 256 samples of the attack and fade in. If the loop started with a loud percussive sound, this may alter the attack transient enough to have an audible effect. This only happens the first time it is triggered though, if you let it play it will be accurate the second time. This is essential for Record Stop in order to support the popular "end a record with overdub" feature. It is arguably not as important for triggering pre-recorded loops, but since you can always be in overdub mode immediately after the trigger it is easier to make the adjustment consistently everywhere. I don't notice this effect at latencies below 512 samples and I haven't received any complaints. But it is one area where an RTOS can undeniably give you better results. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 19:29:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A1EF3BEE8; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fo6NYXPiRVi5nesEb1SXrYWC03YIezgKtCnmm9IR3s/zzjrr2XEJOJNMF3kVErgp2BvSwSJj30kDJIBB1S5Iwos4U9uAD+/SzDFIGt+isl9MOwplrqpwMTqiTI7zzErNICuQtVxvH0KCltVLpELwB8y5l5JjVyuVmxYNhDKd8NQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:29:41 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Indian rhythm box recommendations? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:29:43 +0000 (UTC) A few years ago I remember seeing some non-MIDI rhythm boxes that would generate Indian rhythms and drones, but now I'm having no luck finding them. Anyone have any suggestions for hardware or Mac OS solutions? TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 19:31:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EE7B3BEF0; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <79FE661B-C988-4363-82DD-77F132C2C0F8@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: OT: Indian rhythm box recommendations? Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:31:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:31:39 +0000 (UTC) it's called a "shruti box" http://www.indianhandicraftsandmusicstore.com/servlet/hsubjdisp? offset=0&btype=Music%20Instruments&ctype=Electronic%20Instruments On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > A few years ago I remember seeing some non-MIDI rhythm boxes that > would generate Indian rhythms and drones, but now I'm having no luck > finding them. Anyone have any suggestions for hardware or Mac OS > solutions? > > TravisH > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 20:08:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BC293BEE6; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HslJNQfQePERvr39yZksuYxTiu8M8NP0B805l0aSkqsaEadnQtiCoZCxb7XLvmFM; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200512112201411390@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Indian rhythm box recommendations? Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:14:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940458d81b966d42527e33f2b08f3a3c977350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Kris Thompson of the Loathars has one, and it sounds great. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: monk > To: > Date: 12/12/2005 2:31:39 PM > Subject: Re: OT: Indian rhythm box recommendations? > > it's called a "shruti box" > > http://www.indianhandicraftsandmusicstore.com/servlet/hsubjdisp? > offset=0&btype=Music%20Instruments&ctype=Electronic%20Instruments > > > > On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > A few years ago I remember seeing some non-MIDI rhythm boxes that > > would generate Indian rhythms and drones, but now I'm having no luck > > finding them. Anyone have any suggestions for hardware or Mac OS > > solutions? > > > > TravisH > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 20:22:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 568F03BEF4; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06a001c5ff59$b47f6ff0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <79FE661B-C988-4363-82DD-77F132C2C0F8@fuse.net> Subject: Re: OT: Indian rhythm box recommendations? Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:21:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 409, in=182046, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Most of the electronic tanpura boxes I've heard sound horrendous to me. I had better results by using my Boss Dr. Sample and looping a series of high quality tanpura drone sample at different keys. I looped tabla samples as well, using the thousands of samples I have on my computer. This page has a bunch of devices as well, for tablas, tanpura, etc. http://www.buckinghammusic.com/elect/elect.html#rn ...maybe some of the newer versions sound better. ?? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "monk" To: Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: OT: Indian rhythm box recommendations? > it's called a "shruti box" > > http://www.indianhandicraftsandmusicstore.com/servlet/hsubjdisp? > offset=0&btype=Music%20Instruments&ctype=Electronic%20Instruments > > > > On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > A few years ago I remember seeing some non-MIDI rhythm boxes that > > would generate Indian rhythms and drones, but now I'm having no luck > > finding them. Anyone have any suggestions for hardware or Mac OS > > solutions? > > > > TravisH > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 20:25:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D79123BF00; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000f01c5ff59$afe7bf60$489efe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <79FE661B-C988-4363-82DD-77F132C2C0F8@fuse.net> Subject: Re: OT: Indian rhythm box recommendations? Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:21:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi, you might want to try the Taal Tarang Digital by Riyaz which is a programmable (if you know Indian rhythm and metres, that is) Tabla Drum Machine. The Taalmala by Radel is a classic, also a tabla drum machine. Riyaz also makes an electronic tamboura (drone instrument) as well as a simple all-in-one solution. Just check the web for Radel Electronics and Riyaz, and you should find some stuff. I have a Taal Tarang Digital, and I like it a lot. A little rough around the edges and a little noisy but so odd and weird... you just have to love it. Best, Stephen. ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: monk To: Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: Re: OT: Indian rhythm box recommendations? > it's called a "shruti box" > > http://www.indianhandicraftsandmusicstore.com/servlet/hsubjdisp? > offset=0&btype=Music%20Instruments&ctype=Electronic%20Instruments > > > > On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > A few years ago I remember seeing some non-MIDI rhythm boxes that > > would generate Indian rhythms and drones, but now I'm having no luck > > finding them. Anyone have any suggestions for hardware or Mac OS > > solutions? > > > > TravisH > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 20:29:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3824C3BF00; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002901c5ff5a$3d2c9a80$489efe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <79FE661B-C988-4363-82DD-77F132C2C0F8@fuse.net> <000f01c5ff59$afe7bf60$489efe91@inap> Subject: Re: OT: Indian rhythm box recommendations? Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:25:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:29:12 +0000 (UTC) I should have added that the Shruti box is a small hand-held kind of monophonic harmonica or reed instrument with a small bellow attached to produce simple drones. The pitch it produces is just determined by covering or opening holes using little hatches. Stephen ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: Wavecomputer360 To: Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: Re: OT: Indian rhythm box recommendations? > Hi, > > you might want to try the Taal Tarang Digital by Riyaz which is a > programmable (if you know Indian rhythm and metres, that is) Tabla Drum > Machine. The Taalmala by Radel is a classic, also a tabla drum machine. > Riyaz also makes an electronic tamboura (drone instrument) as well as a > simple all-in-one solution. Just check the web for Radel Electronics and > Riyaz, and you should find some stuff. I have a Taal Tarang Digital, and I > like it a lot. A little rough around the edges and a little noisy but so odd > and weird... you just have to love it. > > Best, > > Stephen. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid > Android") > > "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. > > For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com > > It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. > > For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at > www.doombient.com > > WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With > Wound, David Tibet). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: monk > To: > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:31 PM > Subject: Re: OT: Indian rhythm box recommendations? > > > > it's called a "shruti box" > > > > http://www.indianhandicraftsandmusicstore.com/servlet/hsubjdisp? > > offset=0&btype=Music%20Instruments&ctype=Electronic%20Instruments > > > > > > > > On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > > > A few years ago I remember seeing some non-MIDI rhythm boxes that > > > would generate Indian rhythms and drones, but now I'm having no luck > > > finding them. Anyone have any suggestions for hardware or Mac OS > > > solutions? > > > > > > TravisH > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 20:54:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D9743BEE4; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:56:47 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Indian rhythm box recommendations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:54:26 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: > A few years ago I remember seeing some non-MIDI rhythm boxes that > would generate Indian rhythms and drones, but now I'm having no luck > finding them. Anyone have any suggestions for hardware or Mac OS > solutions? Travis: hardware: I have a Raagini electronic sampled tanpura box that I love. Advantages: output jack so I can plug it into the mixer and blend it nicely flexible on the drone chords optional & included battery pack built-in speaker with the battery and speaker, I can busk with it if I like. Here's where to find one: http://www.buckinghammusic.com/elect/elect.html I participated in a six-person improvisational live looping performance back in June under the name Audio Arcade. The recording of our set is here: http://www.subscapeannex.com/arcade/sounds.html I used my Raagini electronic tanpura, which you should be able to hear in spots, throughout, althought faded in and out. A local sitar player has the Raagini electronic tabla box that he uses for accompaniment, and it sounded perfectly acceptable for live performance. Mac OS X software: As I mentioned the last time this topic came up, I was happy to note recently that Swarshala has recently been released for OS X. http://www.swarsystems.com/SwarShala/ best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 21:00:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E3603BEF3; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:00:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051212105853.02857eb0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20051211203631.9395D3BF30@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051212105853.02857eb0@tiscali.co.uk> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Andy, > there's a long delay > from the time a sound enters the ear till we become conscious of it. > Around 100ms! (or something like that). Actually, closer to 500 ms! Yes, consciousness is a full half second behind any external (or internal) stimulous. That doesn't mean we can't react much faster than 500 ms. Obviously, we can. But not consciously. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 21:21:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CA7D3BEF9; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:21:08 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <439DE9C4.60502@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051211203631.9395D3BF30@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051212105853.02857eb0@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Ian Petersen wrote: > Actually, closer to 500 ms! Yes, consciousness is a full half second > behind any external (or internal) stimulous. That doesn't mean we can't > react much faster than 500 ms. Obviously, we can. But not consciously. I can believe there is some "consciousness latency" but not 500ms. 500ms is a quarter note at 120 BPM. Give someone a button to press as soon as they hear the sound of a snare drum being played through headphones. I'll bet everyone on this list can do it in under 500ms. What is "not conscious" about that reaction? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 21:44:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99AA93BF0D; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:45:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <439DE9C4.60502@sun.com> References: <20051211203631.9395D3BF30@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051212105853.02857eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <439DE9C4.60502@sun.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, > I'll bet everyone on this list can do it in under 500ms. Of course they can do it. But they are only conscious of having done it half a second after the unconscious has initiated the action. I can recommend this book if you don't believe me: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140230122/ref=pd_bxgy_text_b/103-0048 455-6947048?%5Fencoding=UTF8 -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 22:02:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F279C3BEE1; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:02:25 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Greetings Looplings, I'm making my annual NAMM pilgrimage, and after it will be heading up to NorCal for a few days, and on Saturday 28th January, I'm giving a day-long bass/looping/music-stuff masterclass - It's at Koinonia Coffee Shop in Campbell, and will run from 10.30am to 5pm. I'll be covering all manner of musical things, from technique issues to theory and harmony ideas, improv stuff, gear tweakery and will be demoing the new Looperlative LP1 looper, which is being premiered at NAMM - see www.looperlative.com for more on that. It's an amazing unit. If you want to come along, it's $55, and that includes lunch - sending $55 via paypal to payments@looperlative.com will secure your place - places will be limited to make sure everyone there gets to have their questions asked, and gets to play. if you've got any questions please email me! cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 22:15:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F3E63BEF7; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:15:13 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <439DF671.50005@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051211203631.9395D3BF30@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051212105853.02857eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <439DE9C4.60502@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Ian Petersen wrote: > Of course they can do it. But they are only conscious of having done it > half a second after the unconscious has initiated the action. I think I understand the theory, but we're sort of splitting hairs over terminology. Whether we react consciously or unconsciously (whatever that means) isn't really related to the discussion on RTOS and how we perceive latency and jitter. An error in timing may be consciously perceived much later than it actually happened, but it doesn't really matter, the important thing is that we perceived it at all. The problem we have to solve in building audio applications is to make it so these errors are not (eventually) perceived. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 22:20:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1271D3BEF8; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:20:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Thread-Index: AcX/aj3lfJHAoGtdEdq/pgAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2fGHuC.A.O7.pefnDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Wow man ... Cool! I so wish I were going to be there! T. On 12/12/05 5:02 PM, "Steve Lawson" wrote: > Greetings Looplings, >=20 > I'm making my annual NAMM pilgrimage, and after it will be heading up > to NorCal for a few days, and on Saturday 28th January, I'm giving a > day-long bass/looping/music-stuff masterclass - It's at Koinonia > Coffee Shop in Campbell, and will run from 10.30am to 5pm. I'll be > covering all manner of musical things, from technique issues to > theory and harmony ideas, improv stuff, gear tweakery and will be > demoing the new Looperlative LP1 looper, which is being premiered at > NAMM - see www.looperlative.com for more on that. It's an amazing unit. >=20 > If you want to come along, it's $55, and that includes lunch - > sending $55 via paypal to payments@looperlative.com will secure your > place - places will be limited to make sure everyone there gets to > have their questions asked, and gets to play. >=20 > if you've got any questions please email me! >=20 > cheers! >=20 > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 22:28:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F0443BF0B; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000401c5ff6b$ef3a8320$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: Subject: Re: Indian rhythm box recommendations? Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:32:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Standalone Tabla boxes: http://aacm.org/shop/electronic.html Great program for learning Indian music, with tabla samples. Download the demo, it's REALLY cool: http://www.swarsystems.com/ Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: OT: Indian rhythm box recommendations? A few years ago I remember seeing some non-MIDI rhythm boxes that would generate Indian rhythms and drones, but now I'm having no luck finding them. Anyone have any suggestions for hardware or Mac OS solutions? TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 22:33:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5641C3BF14; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:35:56 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Indian rhythm box recommendations? In-Reply-To: <000401c5ff6b$ef3a8320$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> Message-ID: References: <000401c5ff6b$ef3a8320$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:33:33 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Mark Smart wrote: > Standalone Tabla boxes: > > http://aacm.org/shop/electronic.html Better selection here and pricing than the link I posted ealier. Go here instead, folks :). best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 22:43:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3DB53BEE8; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Real-time category Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:44:27 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c5ff6d$9bf4b170$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <439DE9C4.60502@sun.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:43:05 +0000 (UTC) perhaps "conscious" in this context means more of a Hegel kind of conscious - after half a second, they start to think about writing a six-hundred-page volume about that specific snare drum hit? -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 12. Dezember 2005 22:21 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Real-time category Ian Petersen wrote: > Actually, closer to 500 ms! Yes, consciousness is a full half second > behind any external (or internal) stimulous. That doesn't mean we can't=20 > react much faster than 500 ms. Obviously, we can. But not consciously. I can believe there is some "consciousness latency" but not 500ms. 500ms is a quarter note at 120 BPM. Give someone a button to press as soon as they hear the sound of a snare drum being played through headphones. I'll bet everyone on this list can do it in under 500ms. What is "not conscious" about that reaction? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 23:13:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B4853BEFB; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:27 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th To: Message-id: <002401c5ff72$7fd446e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:13:01 +0000 (UTC) This looks cool! Any info on the interface would be appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "todd reynolds" To: Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Wow man ... Cool! I so wish I were going to be there! T. On 12/12/05 5:02 PM, "Steve Lawson" wrote: > Greetings Looplings, > > I'm making my annual NAMM pilgrimage, and after it will be heading up > to NorCal for a few days, and on Saturday 28th January, I'm giving a > day-long bass/looping/music-stuff masterclass - It's at Koinonia > Coffee Shop in Campbell, and will run from 10.30am to 5pm. I'll be > covering all manner of musical things, from technique issues to > theory and harmony ideas, improv stuff, gear tweakery and will be > demoing the new Looperlative LP1 looper, which is being premiered at > NAMM - see www.looperlative.com for more on that. It's an amazing unit. > > If you want to come along, it's $55, and that includes lunch - > sending $55 via paypal to payments@looperlative.com will secure your > place - places will be limited to make sure everyone there gets to > have their questions asked, and gets to play. > > if you've got any questions please email me! > > cheers! > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ³Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad² - Trevor Exter ³Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound² - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 12 23:41:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E7723BEF4; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:40:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:41:05 +0000 (UTC) On 12 dec 2005, at 23.02, Steve Lawson wrote: > will be demoing the new Looperlative LP1 looper, which is being > premiered at NAMM - see www.looperlative.com for more on that. It's > an amazing unit. Very interesting! Bob posted a brief teaser here the other month. Do you know if there is a detailed manual available so one can find out what you can do with this box? I'm not going to NAMM ;-( Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 00:03:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F09C73BEFA; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rmKrq7uhHt7GtHBFSyARo/XZWGEWOxvASZbVcYGmN9/EUM4WIGm8m95zohSo9zUAJMEpFi1oauO448MM1jQ4opxFbrqCsf0R3zFTV0Ypqk4RlltLrfXB8WqKJNc4M6yVq+jDGUeryV6SiePUPa8VHF0yOmt9hg937B5ivvvuzyw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:03:06 -0500 From: Tony Hughes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: performance looping ? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051211203446.04d53b48@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5445_19790939.1134432186427" References: <010401c5fcb8$8c9e1700$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <1195.65.94.48.202.1134352488.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> <2591.65.94.48.202.1134359688.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> <6.1.2.0.2.20051211203446.04d53b48@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_daWRD.A.2SE.7-gnDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:03:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5445_19790939.1134432186427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I am using the looper as a theatrical device, that allows me to record ambient/musical sounds as well as spoken word. Only having a little over three minutes of record time, would be really limiting. Imagine an hour long performance in which I slowly add to a 5/10/15 minute loop of sound. Starting with a bass tone, and building up percussion, words, sounds until towards the end of the show, the sound has become an integral part of the performance...It has been layered in front of the audience, and then, I unbuild the layers until returning to the original bass tone. It is the sole musical instrument (other than my voice that I'm planning to use). The performance ready aspect of the jamman (pedal based / ready to use with some simple connections) really makes in appealing to me. Oh, in terms of timing, I plan to learn how to press the pedals at the correct time in order (this will take some practice) to sync between the two...which shouldn't be that hard, because each time I am recording betwee= n the two jammans, I am recording a fresh sample - which in the end means tha= t each time I'm pushing pedals I'm pushing them at the same time (being able to drive a stick shift should leave me fairly well prepared). Meaning that= , I am really only using the second jamman to keep the sound running, while I stop jamman one, save into a loop and then resave into a second loop (so that I can unbuild at the end). This is getting kind of long so my apologies. But, here is how I see it working. Push left pedal on jamman 1 (JM1). Record sample. When finished recording push left pedal on JM1 and JM2 - thereby starting to loop sample on JM1 and record into JM2. When sample is finished playing once, push right pedal on JM1 and left pedal on JM2, thereby stopping playback on JM1 and starting on JM2. These are all concurrent pedal pushes, so it should be any harder than looping in at the current time in a song or measure...at this point, I can save and resave on JM1 into different loop slots. To repeat, all I have to do is push the lef= t pedal on JM1 (starting the sample in a fresh loop) while pushing the right pedal on JM2 (stopping the loop from playing) to record on top of the original sound. Then all I have to do is hold down the right pedal on JM2 to erase that loop (or using the footpedal switch between two tracks to clear the loop). Then I'm all set to go again. I guess it does sound a little complicated, but for 600 dollars, I get unlimited loop time and the ability to undo hours worth of sound. Also - I'm not working in a musical environment in which I need exact timing. I'll need good timing, but it won't matter if I come in a little off here or there. I really appreciate all the replies, because I am becoming more and more convinced that I am on the right track (for what I want to do). Note* the jamman will also allow me to save recorded performances into my computer. (Great for archiving a show). Tony On 12/11/05, Kim Flint wrote: > > At 07:54 PM 12/11/2005, hughes.tony@gmail.com wrote: > > > I keep running into this magic number: 198 seconds. Is it true that > > the EDP > > > only allows for 198 seconds of recorded information? That's the main > > reason > > > I keep going back to the jamman. > > what is it you are planning to do that 198 seconds of loop time would not > be enough? I'm just curious what application would need so much. I don't > think I've seen anyone running into that as a limitation in any practical > context, but maybe you maybe your pieces are really, really long... > > > > >> > Thanks for the replies. I think I may be able to do what I want > > with two > > >> > jammans. Record sample A onto jamman 1, record same sample onto > jamman > > >> > two (from jamman one). > > How would you get the loop time in jamman 2 to equal the time on jamman 1= , > and do it in real time? The Digitech JamMan doesn't have any sync > features, > so I don't see how this would be possible. > > > >> > Oh, another question, does anyone have any ideas about timing > looptracks > > >> > while using the boss/digitech pedal loopers. Stopwatch? Computer= . > It > > >> > seems essential in some cases to know where I am in the loop to > overdub > > >> > correctly. > > Like others suggested, this sounds like another reason why you might want > to look at a higher-end looper. Those usually have much more display > features. You can't really expect the low end products to do everything. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > ------=_Part_5445_19790939.1134432186427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I am using the looper as a theatrical device, that allows me to record ambient/musical sounds as well as spoken word.  Only having a little over three minutes of record time, would be really limiting.  Imagine an hour long performance in which I slowly add to a 5/10/15 minute loop of sound.  Starting with a bass tone, and building up percussion, words, sounds until towards the end of the show, the sound has become an integral part of the performance...It has been layered in front of the audience, and then, I unbuild the layers until returning to the original bass tone.  It is the sole musical instrument (other than my voice that I'm planning to use). 

The performance ready aspect of the jamman (pedal based / ready to use with some simple connections) really makes in appealing to me. 

Oh, in terms of timing, I plan to learn how to press the pedals at the correct time in order (this will take some practice) to sync between the two...which shouldn't be that hard, because each time I am recording between the two jammans, I am recording a fresh sample - which in the end means that each time I'm pushing pedals I'm pushing them at the same time (being able to drive a stick shift should leave me fairly well prepared).  Meaning that, I am really only using the second jamman to keep the sound running, while I stop jamman one, save into a loop and then resave into a second loop (so that I can unbuild at the end).  This is getting kind of long so my apologies.  But, here is how I see it working.  Push left pedal on jamman 1 (JM1).  Record sample.  When finished recording push left pedal on JM1 and JM2 - thereby starting to loop sample on JM1 and record into JM2.  When sample is finished playing once, push right pedal on JM1 and left pedal on JM2, thereby stopping playback on JM1 and starting on JM2.  These are all concurrent pedal pushes, so it should be any harder than looping in at the current time in a song or measure...at this point, I can save and resave on JM1 into different loop slots.  To repeat, all I have to do is push the left pedal on JM1 (starting the sample in a fresh loop) while pushing the right pedal on JM2 (stopping the loop from playing) to record on top of the original sound.  Then all I have to do is hold down the right pedal on JM2 to erase that loop (or using the footpedal switch between two tracks to clear the loop).  Then I'm all set to go again.  I guess it does sound a little complicated, but for 600 dollars, I get unlimited loop time and the ability to undo hours worth of sound.  Also - I'm not working in a musical environment in which I need exact timing.  I'll need good timing, but it won't matter if I come in a little off here or there. 

I really appreciate all the replies, because I am becoming more and more convinced that I am on the right track (for what I want to do).  Note* the jamman will also allow me to save recorded performances into my computer.  (Great for archiving a show). 

Tony

On 12/11/05, Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote:
At 07:54 PM 12/11/2005, hughes.ton= y@gmail.com wrote:
> > I keep running into this magic number: = 198 seconds.  Is it true that
> the EDP
> > only a= llows for 198 seconds of recorded information?  That's the main
> reason
> > I keep going back to the jamman.

what i= s it you are planning to do that 198 seconds of loop time would not
be e= nough? I'm just curious what application would need so much. I don't
think I've seen anyone running into that as a limitation in any practicalcontext, but maybe you maybe your pieces are really, really long...

> >> > Thanks for the replies.  I think I may b= e able to do what I want
> with two
> >> > jammans.  Record sample A= onto jamman 1, record same sample onto jamman
> >> > two (f= rom jamman one).

How would you get the loop time in jamman 2 to equa= l the time on jamman 1,
and do it in real time? The Digitech JamMan doesn't have any sync featu= res,
so I don't see how this would be possible.

> >> >= ; Oh, another question, does anyone have any ideas about timing looptracks
> >> > while using the boss/digitech pedal loopers. &n= bsp;Stopwatch?  Computer. It
> >> > seems essentia= l in some cases to know where I am in the loop to overdub
> >> = > correctly.

Like others suggested, this sounds like another reason why you might wa= nt
to look at a higher-end looper. Those usually have much more display<= br>features. You can't really expect the low end products to do everything.

kim


____________________________________________________= __________________
Kim Flint           &nbs= p;         | Looper's Delight
kflint@= loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com


------=_Part_5445_19790939.1134432186427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 00:05:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFBBA3BEF4; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,245,1131339600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1885311127:sNHT25669824" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <010401c5fcb8$8c9e1700$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <1195.65.94.48.202.1134352488.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> <2591.65.94.48.202.1134359688.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> <6.1.2.0.2.20051211203446.04d53b48@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--641177066 Message-Id: <2C3DEBA3-A4F2-46EC-AF73-6041B385A0C0@charter.net> From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: performance looping ? Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:05:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:05:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--641177066 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed A Repeater, if you can find one, might do it better. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Dec 12, 2005, at 6:03 PM, Tony Hughes wrote: > I am using the looper as a theatrical device, that allows me to > record ambient/musical sounds as well as spoken word. Only having > a little over three minutes of record time, would be really > limiting. Imagine an hour long performance in which I slowly add > to a 5/10/15 minute loop of sound. Starting with a bass tone, and > building up percussion, words, sounds until towards the end of the > show, the sound has become an integral part of the performance...It > has been layered in front of the audience, and then, I unbuild the > layers until returning to the original bass tone. It is the sole > musical instrument (other than my voice that I'm planning to use). > > The performance ready aspect of the jamman (pedal based / ready to > use with some simple connections) really makes in appealing to me. > > Oh, in terms of timing, I plan to learn how to press the pedals at > the correct time in order (this will take some practice) to sync > between the two...which shouldn't be that hard, because each time I > am recording between the two jammans, I am recording a fresh sample > - which in the end means that each time I'm pushing pedals I'm > pushing them at the same time (being able to drive a stick shift > should leave me fairly well prepared). Meaning that, I am really > only using the second jamman to keep the sound running, while I > stop jamman one, save into a loop and then resave into a second > loop (so that I can unbuild at the end). This is getting kind of > long so my apologies. But, here is how I see it working. Push > left pedal on jamman 1 (JM1). Record sample. When finished > recording push left pedal on JM1 and JM2 - thereby starting to loop > sample on JM1 and record into JM2. When sample is finished playing > once, push right pedal on JM1 and left pedal on JM2, thereby > stopping playback on JM1 and starting on JM2. These are all > concurrent pedal pushes, so it should be any harder than looping in > at the current time in a song or measure...at this point, I can > save and resave on JM1 into different loop slots. To repeat, all I > have to do is push the left pedal on JM1 (starting the sample in a > fresh loop) while pushing the right pedal on JM2 (stopping the loop > from playing) to record on top of the original sound. Then all I > have to do is hold down the right pedal on JM2 to erase that loop > (or using the footpedal switch between two tracks to clear the > loop). Then I'm all set to go again. I guess it does sound a > little complicated, but for 600 dollars, I get unlimited loop time > and the ability to undo hours worth of sound. Also - I'm not > working in a musical environment in which I need exact timing. > I'll need good timing, but it won't matter if I come in a little > off here or there. > > I really appreciate all the replies, because I am becoming more and > more convinced that I am on the right track (for what I want to > do). Note* the jamman will also allow me to save recorded > performances into my computer. (Great for archiving a show). > > Tony > > On 12/11/05, Kim Flint wrote: > At 07:54 PM 12/11/2005, hughes.tony@gmail.com wrote: > > > I keep running into this magic number: 198 seconds. Is it true > that > > the EDP > > > only allows for 198 seconds of recorded information? That's > the main > > reason > > > I keep going back to the jamman. > > what is it you are planning to do that 198 seconds of loop time > would not > be enough? I'm just curious what application would need so much. I > don't > think I've seen anyone running into that as a limitation in any > practical > context, but maybe you maybe your pieces are really, really long... > > > > >> > Thanks for the replies. I think I may be able to do what I > want > > with two > > >> > jammans. Record sample A onto jamman 1, record same sample > onto jamman > > >> > two (from jamman one). > > How would you get the loop time in jamman 2 to equal the time on > jamman 1, > and do it in real time? The Digitech JamMan doesn't have any sync > features, > so I don't see how this would be possible. > > > >> > Oh, another question, does anyone have any ideas about > timing looptracks > > >> > while using the boss/digitech pedal loopers. Stopwatch? > Computer. It > > >> > seems essential in some cases to know where I am in the loop > to overdub > > >> > correctly. > > Like others suggested, this sounds like another reason why you > might want > to look at a higher-end looper. Those usually have much more display > features. You can't really expect the low end products to do > everything. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > --Apple-Mail-1--641177066 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 A Repeater, if you can find one, = might do it better.

=

On Dec 12, 2005, at 6:03 PM, Tony Hughes = wrote:

I am using the looper as a theatrical device, that allows = me to record ambient/musical sounds as well as spoken word.=A0 Only = having a little over three minutes of record time, would be really = limiting.=A0 Imagine an hour long performance in which I slowly add to a = 5/10/15 minute loop of sound.=A0 Starting with a bass tone, and building = up percussion, words, sounds until towards the end of the show, the = sound has become an integral part of the performance...It has been = layered in front of the audience, and then, I unbuild the layers until = returning to the original bass tone.=A0 It is the sole musical = instrument (other than my voice that I'm planning to use).=A0

= The performance ready aspect of the jamman (pedal based / ready to use = with some simple connections) really makes in appealing to me.=A0
=
Oh, in terms of timing, I plan to learn how to press the pedals at = the correct time in order (this will take some practice) to sync between = the two...which shouldn't be that hard, because each time I am recording = between the two jammans, I am recording a fresh sample - which in the = end means that each time I'm pushing pedals I'm pushing them at the same = time (being able to drive a stick shift should leave me fairly well = prepared).=A0 Meaning that, I am really only using the second jamman to = keep the sound running, while I stop jamman one, save into a loop and = then resave into a second loop (so that I can unbuild at the end).=A0 = This is getting kind of long so my apologies.=A0 But, here is how I see = it working.=A0 Push left pedal on jamman 1 (JM1).=A0 Record sample.=A0 = When finished recording push left pedal on JM1 and JM2 - thereby = starting to loop sample on JM1 and record into JM2.=A0 When sample is = finished playing once, push right pedal on JM1 and left pedal on JM2, = thereby stopping playback on JM1 and starting on JM2.=A0 These are all = concurrent pedal pushes, so it should be any harder than looping in at = the current time in a song or measure...at this point, I can save and = resave on JM1 into different loop slots.=A0 To repeat, all I have to do = is push the left pedal on JM1 (starting the sample in a fresh loop) = while pushing the right pedal on JM2 (stopping the loop from playing) to = record on top of the original sound.=A0 Then all I have to do is hold = down the right pedal on JM2 to erase that loop (or using the footpedal = switch between two tracks to clear the loop).=A0 Then I'm all set to go = again.=A0 I guess it does sound a little complicated, but for 600 = dollars, I get unlimited loop time and the ability to undo hours worth = of sound.=A0 Also - I'm not working in a musical environment in which I = need exact timing.=A0 I'll need good timing, but it won't matter if I = come in a little off here or there.=A0

I really appreciate all = the replies, because I am becoming more and more convinced that I am on = the right track (for what I want to do).=A0 Note* the jamman will also = allow me to save recorded performances into my computer.=A0 (Great for = archiving a show).=A0

Tony

On 12/11/05, Kim = Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com&= gt; wrote:
At 07:54 PM 12/11/2005, hughes.tony@gmail.com = wrote:
> > I keep running into this magic number: 198 = seconds.=A0=A0Is it true that
> the EDP
> > only allows = for 198 seconds of recorded information?=A0=A0That's the main
> = reason
> > I keep going back to the jamman.

what is it = you are planning to do that 198 seconds of loop time would not
be = enough? I'm just curious what application would need so much. I = don't
think I've seen anyone running into that as a limitation in = any practical
context, but maybe you maybe your pieces are really, = really long...


> >> > Thanks for the replies.=A0=A0= I think I may be able to do what I want
> with two
> = >> > jammans.=A0=A0Record sample A onto jamman 1, record same = sample onto jamman
> >> > two (from jamman = one).

How would you get the loop time in jamman 2 to equal the = time on jamman 1,
and do it in real time? The Digitech JamMan = doesn't have any sync features,
so I don't see how this would be = possible.

> >> > Oh, another question, does anyone = have any ideas about timing looptracks
> >> > while = using the boss/digitech pedal loopers.=A0=A0Stopwatch?=A0=A0Computer. = It
> >> > seems essential in some cases to know where I = am in the loop to overdub
> >> > correctly.

Like = others suggested, this sounds like another reason why you might = want
to look at a higher-end looper. Those usually have much more = display
features. You can't really expect the low end products to do = everything. =

kim


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kflint@loopers-delight.com=A0= =A0=A0=A0| http://www.loopers-delight.com=



= --Apple-Mail-1--641177066-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 00:39:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1040B3BEF6; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:41:39 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Unfortunately, no manual is available, yet. I have been racing with time trying to get everything ready for NAMM. Steve is one of the two beta testers of the Looperlative LP1. He's has been nice enough to learn how to use the unit without a manual. Based on the great deal of work still yet to be done before the show. It looks like no documentation will be available before the show. I apologize, but I'm behind schedule on making the design changes between the prototype units and the production units. It is my goal to have the first production units before the NAMM show. I'm also hoping that our two beta testers will be willing to share their experiences with all of you as well as with me. I intend to rely very heavily on their opinions to determine which features need to be implemented first. I feel very strongly that the electronics are solid and that the features that musicians need can be implemented with a simple software upgrade to the unit. The nice thing about these units is that software can be upgraded without swapping chips. New updates will be made available over the Internet as soon as they are ready. So, over the next year, the number of features will likely grow fairly rapidly as I get reports back from the field. --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:40 AM +0100 Per Boysen wrote: > On 12 dec 2005, at 23.02, Steve Lawson wrote: > >> will be demoing the new Looperlative LP1 looper, which is being >> premiered at NAMM - see www.looperlative.com for more on that. It's >> an amazing unit. > > > Very interesting! Bob posted a brief teaser here the other month. Do you > know if there is a detailed manual available so one can find out what > you can do with this box? I'm not going to NAMM ;-( > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 01:14:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20FAF3BEF3; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:21:07 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th To: Message-id: <000401c5ff83$7eaa0f00$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <8T0BvB.A.LfG.CCinDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Pictures of the front/back and input/output areas would be nice... are these still in flux? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Amstadt" To: Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th > Unfortunately, no manual is available, yet. I have been racing with time > trying to get everything ready for NAMM. Steve is one of the two beta > testers of the Looperlative LP1. He's has been nice enough to learn how to > use the unit without a manual. Based on the great deal of work still yet > to be done before the show. It looks like no documentation will be > available before the show. I apologize, but I'm behind schedule on making > the design changes between the prototype units and the production units. > It is my goal to have the first production units before the NAMM show. > > I'm also hoping that our two beta testers will be willing to share their > experiences with all of you as well as with me. I intend to rely very > heavily on their opinions to determine which features need to be > implemented first. I feel very strongly that the electronics are solid and > that the features that musicians need can be implemented with a simple > software upgrade to the unit. The nice thing about these units is that > software can be upgraded without swapping chips. New updates will be made > available over the Internet as soon as they are ready. > > So, over the next year, the number of features will likely grow fairly > rapidly as I get reports back from the field. > > --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:40 AM +0100 Per Boysen > wrote: > > > On 12 dec 2005, at 23.02, Steve Lawson wrote: > > > >> will be demoing the new Looperlative LP1 looper, which is being > >> premiered at NAMM - see www.looperlative.com for more on that. It's > >> an amazing unit. > > > > > > Very interesting! Bob posted a brief teaser here the other month. Do you > > know if there is a detailed manual available so one can find out what > > you can do with this box? I'm not going to NAMM ;-( > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 01:38:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6F393BEF1; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:40:32 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000401c5ff83$7eaa0f00$0affff0a@hppav> References: <000401c5ff83$7eaa0f00$0affff0a@hppav> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Actually, yes, the case is being redesigned in the change from prototype to production. The design for the production cases will be going out this week and will have the following: On the back: Inputs: left and right 1/4" connectors Main outputs: left and right 1/4" connectors Two auxiliary outputs: left and right 1/4" connectors MIDI in, out, and through connectors Ethernet network connector Power connector On the front: 8 track selection buttons 1 all track selection button 1 play/stop button 1 record/overdub button 4 user programmable buttons 2 buttons and a dial for changing parameters and selecting menu items. 1 vacuum flourescent display for messages to the user 8 track lights to indicate the status of each track 1 power switch --On Monday, December 12, 2005 8:21 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Pictures of the front/back and input/output areas would be nice... are > these still in flux? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Amstadt" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:41 PM > Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th > > >> Unfortunately, no manual is available, yet. I have been racing with time >> trying to get everything ready for NAMM. Steve is one of the two beta >> testers of the Looperlative LP1. He's has been nice enough to learn how > to >> use the unit without a manual. Based on the great deal of work still yet >> to be done before the show. It looks like no documentation will be >> available before the show. I apologize, but I'm behind schedule on >> making the design changes between the prototype units and the production >> units. It is my goal to have the first production units before the NAMM >> show. >> >> I'm also hoping that our two beta testers will be willing to share their >> experiences with all of you as well as with me. I intend to rely very >> heavily on their opinions to determine which features need to be >> implemented first. I feel very strongly that the electronics are solid > and >> that the features that musicians need can be implemented with a simple >> software upgrade to the unit. The nice thing about these units is that >> software can be upgraded without swapping chips. New updates will be >> made available over the Internet as soon as they are ready. >> >> So, over the next year, the number of features will likely grow fairly >> rapidly as I get reports back from the field. >> >> --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:40 AM +0100 Per Boysen >> wrote: >> >> > On 12 dec 2005, at 23.02, Steve Lawson wrote: >> > >> >> will be demoing the new Looperlative LP1 looper, which is being >> >> premiered at NAMM - see www.looperlative.com for more on that. It's >> >> an amazing unit. >> > >> > >> > Very interesting! Bob posted a brief teaser here the other month. Do > you >> > know if there is a detailed manual available so one can find out what >> > you can do with this box? I'm not going to NAMM ;-( >> > >> > Greetings from Sweden >> > >> > Per Boysen >> > www.looproom.com (international) >> > www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) >> > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 01:46:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D35C3BF01; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:52:22 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th To: Message-id: <000401c5ff87$dc78cfa0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000401c5ff83$7eaa0f00$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Sounding more and more interesting... Is the sample rate adjustable to 196K? please... pretty please...:-) Good luck with the development cycle!!! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Amstadt" To: Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th > Actually, yes, the case is being redesigned in the change from prototype to > production. The design for the production cases will be going out this > week and will have the following: > > On the back: > > Inputs: left and right 1/4" connectors > Main outputs: left and right 1/4" connectors > Two auxiliary outputs: left and right 1/4" connectors > MIDI in, out, and through connectors > Ethernet network connector > Power connector > > On the front: > > 8 track selection buttons > 1 all track selection button > 1 play/stop button > 1 record/overdub button > 4 user programmable buttons > 2 buttons and a dial for changing parameters and selecting menu items. > 1 vacuum flourescent display for messages to the user > 8 track lights to indicate the status of each track > 1 power switch > > > --On Monday, December 12, 2005 8:21 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer > wrote: > > > Pictures of the front/back and input/output areas would be nice... are > > these still in flux? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 01:48:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C65BD3BF0B; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gY5FK/2/euZ2rWPU4Br7dKuSc3LWHEauY+oZSLxkhHKsXFN+nqORTNycAume3xXO; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051221315330960@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:53:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94038b15e58a3eb9f64e09cc47e7a28f4b0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Once again I find myself on the wrong coast... ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Steve Lawson > To: Loop List > Date: 12/12/2005 5:02:21 PM > Subject: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th > > Greetings Looplings, > > I'm making my annual NAMM pilgrimage, and after it will be heading up > to NorCal for a few days, and on Saturday 28th January, I'm giving a > day-long bass/looping/music-stuff masterclass - It's at Koinonia > Coffee Shop in Campbell, and will run from 10.30am to 5pm. I'll be > covering all manner of musical things, from technique issues to > theory and harmony ideas, improv stuff, gear tweakery and will be > demoing the new Looperlative LP1 looper, which is being premiered at > NAMM - see www.looperlative.com for more on that. It's an amazing unit. > > If you want to come along, it's $55, and that includes lunch - > sending $55 via paypal to payments@looperlative.com will secure your > place - places will be limited to make sure everyone there gets to > have their questions asked, and gets to play. > > if you've got any questions please email me! > > cheers! > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 01:59:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2799C3BF02; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=E/fO3BUiMNTwUqiV8sXJ9+toMXvde8UaUqeXPpQmth3qIcvxYLV4bf2MEr4eE/yy; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200512213251050@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: Real-time category Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:05:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406b4db0c2c506615851570f8f5f59ca2e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Heisenberg may have slept here. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > To: > Date: 12/12/2005 5:43:05 PM > Subject: AW: Real-time category > > perhaps "conscious" in this context means more of a Hegel kind of > conscious - after half a second, they start to think about writing a > six-hundred-page volume about that specific snare drum hit? > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] > Gesendet: Montag, 12. Dezember 2005 22:21 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Real-time category > > > Ian Petersen wrote: > > Actually, closer to 500 ms! Yes, consciousness is a full half second > > behind any external (or internal) stimulous. That doesn't mean we > can't > > react much faster than 500 ms. Obviously, we can. But not consciously. > > > I can believe there is some "consciousness latency" but not 500ms. 500ms > is a quarter note at 120 BPM. Give someone a button to press as soon as > they hear the sound of a snare drum being played through headphones. > I'll bet everyone on this list can do it in under 500ms. What is "not > conscious" about that reaction? > > Jeff > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 02:08:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 222143BF12; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=o/uHXn07QB/BFUHuHlxYIimX+r1jXBi0+QVVBA/U83iXGPerTkK2eKTC6Bonkc5c; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051221321410570@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:14:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940786964430ad8fba0f8d40e895e5b06ca350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Yes, godspeed the development. I'll never be able to afford a Looperlative, but for the good of loopers everywhere, I hope to see you guys get another alternative to the omnipresent EDP, whose hiccups and f*ckups seem to cause much consternation in this forum. How do you guys put up with those EDPs, anyway? Oh, wait, half of you guys are computer geniuses! (LOL) It's a walk in the park for you. At any rate, if this Looperlative turns out to be relatively glitchproof and idiot-friendly (like, say, the 'rang), that would be awesome. Cautiously Joyous, Tim > [Original Message] > From: David Kirkdorffer > To: > Date: 12/12/2005 8:46:01 PM > Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th > > Sounding more and more interesting... > > Is the sample rate adjustable to 196K? please... pretty please...:-) > > Good luck with the development cycle!!! > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Amstadt" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:40 PM > Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th > > > > Actually, yes, the case is being redesigned in the change from prototype > to > > production. The design for the production cases will be going out this > > week and will have the following: > > > > On the back: > > > > Inputs: left and right 1/4" connectors > > Main outputs: left and right 1/4" connectors > > Two auxiliary outputs: left and right 1/4" connectors > > MIDI in, out, and through connectors > > Ethernet network connector > > Power connector > > > > On the front: > > > > 8 track selection buttons > > 1 all track selection button > > 1 play/stop button > > 1 record/overdub button > > 4 user programmable buttons > > 2 buttons and a dial for changing parameters and selecting menu items. > > 1 vacuum flourescent display for messages to the user > > 8 track lights to indicate the status of each track > > 1 power switch > > > > > > --On Monday, December 12, 2005 8:21 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer > > wrote: > > > > > Pictures of the front/back and input/output areas would be nice... are > > > these still in flux? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 02:09:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4BB43BF11; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20051212224306.A830A3BEFF@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20051212224306.A830A3BEFF@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "Jason W Alder" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Truncated Digests? Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:09:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <3BtrqC.A.Pj.Y1inDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:09:28 +0000 (UTC) I've received a few digests now where not all the posts have come through. Thanks to the index at top I know they should be there, but the digest truncates after the first post. This has happened at least 3 times now. Anyone else experience this? ___________________________ Jazz.Funk.Soul.Detroit. www.ExchangeBureauMusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 02:17:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE3653BEFA; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:17:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <212.f889b92.30cf892d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:17:17 EST Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_212.f889b92.30cf892d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <5O3oEB.A.bu.x8inDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:17:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_212.f889b92.30cf892d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, Ratz! This is about the first NAMM since 1993 that I haven't planned=20 on attending (for a variety of perfectly good reasons). Wouldn't you=20 know it that there'd be a potentially important new looper making it's=20 public industrial debut this time around. What rotten luck. In a message dated 12/12/05 4:39:45 PM, bob@amstadt.com writes: > Unfortunately, no manual is available, yet.=A0 I have been racing with tim= e > trying to get everything ready for NAMM.=A0 Steve is one of the two beta > testers of the Looperlative LP1.=A0 He's has been nice enough to learn how= to > use the unit without a manual.=A0 Based on the great deal of work still ye= t > to be done before the show.=A0 It looks like no documentation will be > available before the show.=A0 I apologize, but I'm behind schedule on maki= ng > the design changes between the prototype units and the production units. > It is my goal to have the first production units before the NAMM show. >=20 > I'm also hoping that our two beta testers will be willing to share their > experiences with all of you as well as with me.=A0 I intend to rely very > heavily on their opinions to determine which features need to be > implemented first.=A0 I feel very strongly that the electronics are solid=20= and > that the features that musicians need can be implemented with a simple > software upgrade to the unit.=A0 The nice thing about these units is that > software can be upgraded without swapping chips.=A0 New updates will be ma= de > available over the Internet as soon as they are ready. >=20 > So, over the next year, the number of features will likely grow fairly > rapidly as I get reports back from the field. >=20 Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_212.f889b92.30cf892d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob,

Ratz! This is about the first NAMM since 1993 that I haven't planned
on attending (for a variety of perfectly good reasons). Wouldn't you
know it that there'd be a potentially important new looper making it's
public industrial debut this time around. What rotten luck.

In a message dated 12/12/05 4:39:45 PM, bob@amstadt.com writes:

Unfortunately, no man= ual is available, yet.=A0 I have been racing with time
trying to get everything ready for NAMM.=A0 Steve is one of the two beta
testers of the Looperlative LP1.=A0 He's has been nice enough to learn how t= o
use the unit without a manual.=A0 Based on the great deal of work still yet<= BR> to be done before the show.=A0 It looks like no documentation will be
available before the show.=A0 I apologize, but I'm behind schedule on making=
the design changes between the prototype units and the production units.
It is my goal to have the first production units before the NAMM show.

I'm also hoping that our two beta testers will be willing to share their
experiences with all of you as well as with me.=A0 I intend to rely very
heavily on their opinions to determine which features need to be
implemented first.=A0 I feel very strongly that the electronics are solid an= d
that the features that musicians need can be implemented with a simple
software upgrade to the unit.=A0 The nice thing about these units is that software can be upgraded without swapping chips.=A0 New updates will be made=
available over the Internet as soon as they are ready.

So, over the next year, the number of features will likely grow fairly
rapidly as I get reports back from the field.






Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_212.f889b92.30cf892d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 02:30:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2E233BEFB; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:30:07 EST Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ff.21acedfb.30cf8c2f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:30:12 +0000 (UTC) --part1_ff.21acedfb.30cf8c2f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmmmm, In a message dated 12/12/05 6:09:14 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes: > [snip] . . . the omnipresent EDP, whose hiccups and f*ckups seem to cause > much consternation in=A0 this forum. How do you guys put up with those EDP= s, > anyway? Oh, wait, half of you guys are computer geniuses! . . . [snip] >=20 I know some have had trouble with theirs but I've had very little trouble=20 with=20 mine (almost none) and I've owned my 2 beige-faceplated Oberheim EDPs=20 since . . . well . . . rather a long time. '96, knock on wood. I wish all of= =20 my gear=20 was as generally glitch-free (and as easily fixed) as my EDPs have been.=20 I have no reason to complain. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_ff.21acedfb.30cf8c2f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmmmm,

In a message dated 12/12/05 6:09:14 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes:

[snip] . . . the omni= present EDP, whose hiccups and f*ckups seem to cause
much consternation in=A0 this forum. How do you guys put up with those EDPs,=
anyway? Oh, wait, half of you guys are computer geniuses! . . . [snip]

I know some have had trouble with theirs but I've had very little trouble wi= th
mine (almost none) and I've owned my 2 beige-faceplated Oberheim EDPs
since . . . well . . . rather a long time. '96, knock on wood. I wish all of= my gear
was as generally glitch-free (and as easily fixed) as my EDPs have been. I have no reason to complain.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_ff.21acedfb.30cf8c2f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 02:36:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98DF73BEF1; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Lp72HW3DPQZ6xsGZGO8sIVKkfzfrEWAd6ZQBStBhFtkCOtV1qQh5uckLV/iABvEx; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005122132425800@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:42:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9401882fc81c85eae60f89afc75eaa6b5c5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:36:54 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Ted! Good to hear from you. I was engaging in some lighthearted hyperbole and meant no offense. My pal Frank Gerace from Dreamchild has had not a speck of trouble with his EDP. I'm just a little scared reading all the e-mails from other folks who weren't as lucky as you and Frank. Long may your EDP ride, Ted, and long may it help you make your awe-inspiring music. That goes for the rest of you guys. Love, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/12/2005 9:30:12 PM Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Hmmmmm, In a message dated 12/12/05 6:09:14 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes: [snip] . . . the omnipresent EDP, whose hiccups and f*ckups seem to cause much consternation in this forum. How do you guys put up with those EDPs, anyway? Oh, wait, half of you guys are computer geniuses! . . . [snip] I know some have had trouble with theirs but I've had very little trouble with mine (almost none) and I've owned my 2 beige-faceplated Oberheim EDPs since . . . well . . . rather a long time. '96, knock on wood. I wish all of my gear was as generally glitch-free (and as easily fixed) as my EDPs have been. I have no reason to complain. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Hi, Ted! Good to hear from you.
I was engaging in some lighthearted hyperbole and meant no offense.
 
 My pal Frank Gerace from Dreamchild has had not a speck of trouble with his EDP. I'm just a little scared reading all the e-mails from other folks who weren't as lucky as you and Frank.
 
Long may your EDP ride, Ted, and long may it help you make your awe-inspiring music.
 
That goes for the rest of you guys.
 
Love,
Tim
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 12/12/2005 9:30:12 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th

Hmmmmm,

In a message dated 12/12/05 6:09:14 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes:

[snip] . . . the omnipresent EDP, whose hiccups and f*ckups seem to cause
much consternation in  this forum. How do you guys put up with those EDPs,
anyway? Oh, wait, half of you guys are computer geniuses! . . . [snip]

I know some have had trouble with theirs but I've had very little trouble with
mine (almost none) and I've owned my 2 beige-faceplated Oberheim EDPs
since . . . well . . . rather a long time. '96, knock on wood. I wish all of my gear
was as generally glitch-free (and as easily fixed) as my EDPs have been.
I have no reason to complain.

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 03:03:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A96E3BEF4; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:06:02 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <212.f889b92.30cf892d@aol.com> References: <212.f889b92.30cf892d@aol.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:03:52 +0000 (UTC) It will be goal after NAMM to see that the Looperlative LP1 makes=20 appearance in a wide variety of places. Unfortunately, I have no specific=20 plans until I see how things go at NAMM. For those of you attending NAMM, please stop by the booth and say hello. I = will have at least one LP1 available for demonstration purposes. I'll have = some instruments available and connected to the input of the LP1. For those of you in the San Jose area, I highly recommend Steve Lawson's=20 masterclass. I attended the first, but unfortunately missed last year due=20 to illness. If you can't be at NAMM and you can't be at Steve's class, then please=20 leave a post on the Looperlative bulletin board. There is a thread about=20 LP1 previews. I don't think that I will be able to schedule anything until = after Steve's class, but I would be happy to have an open house where you=20 guys could stop by and play with the LP1 for a few hours. Bob --On Monday, December 12, 2005 9:17 PM -0500 ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Bob, > > Ratz! This is about the first NAMM since 1993 that I haven't planned > on attending (for a variety of perfectly good reasons). Wouldn't you > know it that there'd be a potentially important new looper making it's > public industrial debut this time around. What rotten luck. > > In a message dated 12/12/05 4:39:45 PM, bob@amstadt.com writes: > > > Unfortunately, no manual is available, yet.=A0 I have been racing with = time > trying to get everything ready for NAMM.=A0 Steve is one of the two beta > testers of the Looperlative LP1.=A0 He's has been nice enough to learn = how > to > use the unit without a manual.=A0 Based on the great deal of work still = yet > to be done before the show.=A0 It looks like no documentation will be > available before the show.=A0 I apologize, but I'm behind schedule on = making > the design changes between the prototype units and the production units. > It is my goal to have the first production units before the NAMM show. > > I'm also hoping that our two beta testers will be willing to share their > experiences with all of you as well as with me.=A0 I intend to rely very > heavily on their opinions to determine which features need to be > implemented first.=A0 I feel very strongly that the electronics are solid > and > that the features that musicians need can be implemented with a simple > software upgrade to the unit.=A0 The nice thing about these units is that > software can be upgraded without swapping chips.=A0 New updates will be = made > available over the Internet as soon as they are ready. > > So, over the next year, the number of features will likely grow fairly > rapidly as I get reports back from the field. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > tEd =AE kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 04:43:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CE0D3BEE8; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00af01c5ff9f$ce2b3bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LOOPERLATIVE DEBUT at NAMM Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:43:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <4UQ5YD.A.aEF.-FlnDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:43:42 +0000 (UTC) I stumbled on the discussion about the Looperlative debut at NAMM in the thread titled Steve Lawson gives masterclass. I thought I would suggest moving that discussion to this thread title for the sake of future researchers at Loopers Delight. ********************************* So, the LOOPERLATIVE live looping hardware device, designed by Bob Amstadt will have it's world premiere at the NAMM show. I am the other Beta Tester along with Steve Lawson and both of us will be performing with the machine at the Looperlative Booth at NAMM. I'll be showing it with little mini performances on Friday at 1, 3 and 5 Saturdays at 1, 3 and 5 Sunday at 1 and 3 I just took possession of the first one yesterday and do not have a manual. I also have a very busy week of gigging coming up before Christmas so I won't be able to really take a good look at it until the week after Christmas. After checking in with Bob first, I will post what I've learned about the boxes capabilities as I go along. Look for that after Christmas. Bob will be helping me with the learning curve which will consist of mostly figuring out how to program midi pedals to run it. One of the most exciting things to me about the box so far is that Bob has made it so that you can have 8 loops that are synchronized or unsynchronized. Apparently, you can run separate loops (with muting capabilities from a midi foot control) that are synchronized but then record other loops that are not synchronized. This is, in essence, like having several different looping boxes with sync capabilities. The other exciting thing is that Bob seems so willing to take suggestions about features to put into the box. Add the best fidelity, internet connectivity (storing loops, downloading new software revisions for free, et. al.) true stereo and it's a pretty attractive package. I'm excited to be learning it...........really honored to debut it with Steve! Hope to see you at NAMM. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 07:03:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF85E3BEE0; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5FlDllATbOPmqa5NIuk/wwdtMajNc+WGev916ZYr9wC/PafNZj9gaG0STiancvnswwVmtdzCzlntW9FAFTpABhGC0JUux5zU6g9nfrNjR1aOr0f5JSLUwKRNhCyNZvKCJuVXso6tlycnps/mhEbDxffcOhYhMlP07UxsXCPO1l4= ; Message-ID: <20051213070320.86046.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:03:20 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:03:21 +0000 (UTC) oh man sounds like our dream come true machine is here! shit i am pissed i just bought a second EDP grrr! --- Bob Amstadt wrote: > Actually, yes, the case is being redesigned in the > change from prototype to > production. The design for the production cases > will be going out this > week and will have the following: > > On the back: > > Inputs: left and right 1/4" connectors > Main outputs: left and right 1/4" connectors > Two auxiliary outputs: left and right 1/4" > connectors > MIDI in, out, and through connectors > Ethernet network connector > Power connector > > On the front: > > 8 track selection buttons > 1 all track selection button > 1 play/stop button > 1 record/overdub button > 4 user programmable buttons > 2 buttons and a dial for changing parameters and > selecting menu items. > 1 vacuum flourescent display for messages to the > user > 8 track lights to indicate the status of each track > 1 power switch > > > --On Monday, December 12, 2005 8:21 PM -0500 David > Kirkdorffer > wrote: > > > Pictures of the front/back and input/output areas > would be nice... are > > these still in flux? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Amstadt" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:41 PM > > Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern > California, Jan 28th > > > > > >> Unfortunately, no manual is available, yet. I > have been racing with time > >> trying to get everything ready for NAMM. Steve > is one of the two beta > >> testers of the Looperlative LP1. He's has been > nice enough to learn how > > to > >> use the unit without a manual. Based on the > great deal of work still yet > >> to be done before the show. It looks like no > documentation will be > >> available before the show. I apologize, but I'm > behind schedule on > >> making the design changes between the prototype > units and the production > >> units. It is my goal to have the first production > units before the NAMM > >> show. > >> > >> I'm also hoping that our two beta testers will be > willing to share their > >> experiences with all of you as well as with me. > I intend to rely very > >> heavily on their opinions to determine which > features need to be > >> implemented first. I feel very strongly that the > electronics are solid > > and > >> that the features that musicians need can be > implemented with a simple > >> software upgrade to the unit. The nice thing > about these units is that > >> software can be upgraded without swapping chips. > New updates will be > >> made available over the Internet as soon as they > are ready. > >> > >> So, over the next year, the number of features > will likely grow fairly > >> rapidly as I get reports back from the field. > >> > >> --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:40 AM +0100 > Per Boysen > >> wrote: > >> > >> > On 12 dec 2005, at 23.02, Steve Lawson wrote: > >> > > >> >> will be demoing the new Looperlative LP1 > looper, which is being > >> >> premiered at NAMM - see www.looperlative.com > for more on that. It's > >> >> an amazing unit. > >> > > >> > > >> > Very interesting! Bob posted a brief teaser > here the other month. Do > > you > >> > know if there is a detailed manual available so > one can find out what > >> > you can do with this box? I'm not going to NAMM > ;-( > >> > > >> > Greetings from Sweden > >> > > >> > Per Boysen > >> > www.looproom.com (international) > >> > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >> > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > >> > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 08:45:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BD713BED8; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Looperlative Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:45:26 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Rick wrote: >>> Bob will be helping me with the learning curve which will consist of mostly figuring out how to program midi pedals to run it. One of the most exciting things to me about the box so far is that Bob has made it so that you can have 8 loops that are synchronized or unsynchronized. Apparently, you can run separate loops (with muting capabilities from a midi foot control) that are synchronized but then record other loops that are not synchronized.<<< Both of those things are SO easy to do - the pedal programming is as simple as it could be - turn the dial to the midi pedal setup area, press the pedal and then tell the unit what you want that pedal to do. So far, no matching of button numbers to parameter numbers or anything like that. And the sync/unsync thing works beautifully - just depends on whether you press play before record on the subsequent loop. Really intuitive. With the regular software upgrade options available via the ethernet cable, the looperlative is set to be a real revelation on the hardware looper market. It'll take time for Bob to get all the software written that he wants to put in there, but even with the first beta software set, there were options available that I'd couldn't have done on the EDP without hooking up all four of mine... And it's Stereo :o) see y'all at NAMM/Campbell, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 08:46:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D489E3BEE1; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAI4YnkOCKYNjAQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051213083432.027f1040@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:43:34 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Real-time category In-Reply-To: <20051212224306.948623BF12@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051212224306.948623BF12@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7BcVrD.A.gND.3ponDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:46:47 +0000 (UTC) >I think I understand the theory, but we're sort of splitting hairs >over terminology. Whether we react consciously or unconsciously >(whatever that means) isn't really related to the discussion on RTOS >and how we perceive latency and jitter. An error in timing may be >consciously perceived much later than it actually happened, but it >doesn't really matter, the important thing is that we perceived it at >all. The problem we have to solve in building audio applications >is to make it so these errors are not (eventually) perceived. > >Jeff Part of the process of solving that problem may well be to understand how the mind compensates for latency, and to make it easier for the mind to compensate for the looper. For a foot controller, for instance, it's possible to use that controller to play sounds at a particular latency, and the mind learns the delay of the pedal. It's obviously harder to compensate when you don't hear the results till a loop later (but seems to be possible). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 09:02:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CF9B3BEF8; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looperlative Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:02:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:02:29 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 13, 2005, at 2:45 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: > With the regular software upgrade options available via the ethernet > cable, the looperlative is set to be a real revelation on the hardware > looper market. i'm willing to bet more money than i've ever made in my life that Bob is going to have his looper to market in quantity before anyone ever sees a Repeater mkII. these are good things to hear. especially as i list this echo pro for sale. that's my next post. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 09:21:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9490C3BEF6; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <182f1ed69244b1a7f7f5cbaa7414c3bc@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: FS: Line6 Echo Pro Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:21:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:21:46 +0000 (UTC) hello fellow loop operators, i have a Line6 Echo Pro here that i don't need for my new smooth jazz album (and only use for a dotted eighth delay in my live rig anyway), and a dearth of cash for christmas presents created by my recent purchase of my fourth Moog Liberation (sold the first to buy my Z1, traded the second for an Hammond Novachord, traded the third and a bunch of cash for a Minimoog, and just can't get away from it's amazingosity.) it's in great shape and has the manual and an AC cord. i can guarantee that i have only dropped it once but you'd never know, and all functions and I/O work (though i've never used the pedal connections in my life and don't feel like testing them). now where the fuck else are you going to get that kind of transaction honesty? this Echo Pro (and the previous Liberation) can be seen at: http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/stgb_gig_rig/ aural proof of its use in the infamous Suit & Tie Guy Band can be found here: http://suitandtieguy.com/sounds/01_11_2004_seminary/ stgb_01_11_2004_seminary_dub_force_rising.mp3 ... it's doing the looping you hear running through the Leslie. yeah .. that's a Liberation. my price is $420 (get it? four twenty? ha.) shipped within the US. no paypal fees. i will list it on ebay for $440 BIN with a 30 dollar shipping charge and 4% paypal fee tomorrow and get it unless one of you cool dudes or dudettes don't grab it first. but remember, don't dilly-dally ... i need to buy that Inspector Morse box set for my dad and an Alton Brown book for my sister. and a nice silver irish cross for the lady. and of course something nicer for my mom. i'm sure you understand. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 09:46:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 243C93BEF1; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02d601c5ffca$1aa33f30$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: Subject: Re/Re: looping on NPR... / It's excellent! (Looper's Compilation Vol.3) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:46:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02D3_01C5FFD2.7C549460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:46:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02D3_01C5FFD2.7C549460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've listen to the samples of the LD vol. 3=20 and I have to say that I really like the first track played by Zoe K.=20 and can't wait till I got the CD to hear it completely.=20 Sunao couldn't choose a best track, as the first track, like this ! Zoe, maybe it's my classic background, but after listening to the live performance at NPR I have to say that I really like your musical taste and approach. My compliments ! Per, I'm completely agree with your opinion about the variety of this CD and the interest that It can have even for a non looping audience. Different approachs, tastes, technics, and voice-instruments=20 give pleasure to my ears, too. Fabio=20 http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Zoe Keating=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: looping on NPR... hi loopers,=20 i recorded a live segment last week at NPR that is playing today on = the show Day to Day. i brought my Repeater down to the studio and gave a = short live looping demo. i haven't heard it yet, so i don't know how it = came out! but the story is below: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3D5046348 ------=_NextPart_000_02D3_01C5FFD2.7C549460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've listen to the = samples of the=20 LD vol. 3
and I have to say that I really like = the first=20 track played by Zoe K.
 and can't wait = till I got the=20 CD to hear it completely.
Sunao couldn't choose a = best track,=20 as the first track, like this !
 
Zoe, maybe it's my = classic=20 background, but after listening to the
live performance at NPR = I have=20 to say that I really like
your musical taste and=20 approach.
My compliments = !
 
Per, I'm completely = agree with your=20 opinion about
the variety of this CD = and the=20 interest that It can have
even for a non looping=20 audience.
Different approachs, = tastes,=20 technics, and voice-instruments
give pleasure to my ears, = too.
 
Fabio
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/= eterogeneo/
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Zoe=20 Keating
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 = 9:03=20 PM
Subject: looping on = NPR...

hi loopers, 

i recorded a live segment last week at NPR that is playing today = on the=20 show Day to Day. i brought my Repeater down to the studio and gave a = short=20 live looping demo. i haven't heard it yet, so i don't know how it came = out!=20 but the story is below:

h= ttp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3D5046348


------=_NextPart_000_02D3_01C5FFD2.7C549460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 10:30:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD9463BEF3; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andreas Willers Subject: Montauk CD Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:30:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Dear fellow loopers, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 10:53:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB68E3BEF9; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andreas Willers Subject: Montauk CD Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:53:35 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Dear fellow loopers, I am happy to report about my newest release on between the lines =20 records, distributed by Sunny-Moon, in the US and Canada through =20 Allegro but also available at major internet stores throughout the net. The album is called MONTAUK after the novel by Swiss writer Max =20 Frisch, it features an interesting quartet consisting of violin =20 (Dominique Pifar=E9ly from Paris), cello (Alain Grange from Paris), =20 drums (Michael Griener from Berlin) and yours truely on guitar, banjo =20= and applied EDP loopmangeling. You can check out the mp3-audio on the link below, you guys and gals =20 might be most interested in the solo-with-EDP track BLINDED IN =20 HEADLIGHTS (done in one take without overdubs). http://www.andreaswillers.de/de/sounds_de.html This tracks mirrors the feeling of a car ride down the Californian =20 coast going from SF to Santa Cruz to meet and perform with Rick and =20 Bill Walker last year - such a great vibe. Regards, Andreas =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D andreas willers berlin/germany www.andreaswillers.de= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 13:24:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D07AB3BEE0; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:31:10 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th To: Message-id: <001901c5ffe9$7ba98fe0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C5FFBF.924D40E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <410-22005122132425800@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:24:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C5FFBF.924D40E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank has an EDP now? Cool. I'm curious how he uses it! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Timothy Mungenast=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Hi, Ted! Good to hear from you. I was engaging in some lighthearted hyperbole and meant no offense. My pal Frank Gerace from Dreamchild has had not a speck of trouble = with his EDP. I'm just a little scared reading all the e-mails from = other folks who weren't as lucky as you and Frank. Long may your EDP ride, Ted, and long may it help you make your = awe-inspiring music. That goes for the rest of you guys. Love, Tim ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/12/2005 9:30:12 PM=20 Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Hmmmmm, In a message dated 12/12/05 6:09:14 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net = writes: [snip] . . . the omnipresent EDP, whose hiccups and f*ckups seem = to cause much consternation in this forum. How do you guys put up with = those EDPs, anyway? Oh, wait, half of you guys are computer geniuses! . . . = [snip] I know some have had trouble with theirs but I've had very little = trouble with=20 mine (almost none) and I've owned my 2 beige-faceplated Oberheim = EDPs=20 since . . . well . . . rather a long time. '96, knock on wood. I = wish all of my gear=20 was as generally glitch-free (and as easily fixed) as my EDPs have = been.=20 I have no reason to complain. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C5FFBF.924D40E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Frank has an EDP now?  Cool.  = I'm curious=20 how he uses it!
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Timothy=20 Mungenast
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 = 9:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Lawson = masterclass,=20 Northern California, Jan 28th

Hi, Ted! Good to hear from=20 you.
I was engaging in some = lighthearted hyperbole and meant no offense.
 
 My pal Frank Gerace = from=20 Dreamchild has had not a speck of trouble with his EDP. I'm just a = little=20 scared reading all the e-mails from other folks who weren't as lucky = as you=20 and Frank.
 
Long may your EDP ride, = Ted, and long=20 may it help you make your awe-inspiring music.
 
That goes for the rest of = you=20 guys.
 
Love,
Tim
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Sent: 12/12/2005 9:30:12 PM =
Subject: Re: Steve Lawson = masterclass,=20 Northern California, Jan 28th

Hmmmmm,

In a = message dated=20 12/12/05 6:09:14 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes:

[snip] . . . the omnipresent EDP, whose = hiccups and=20 f*ckups seem to cause
much consternation in  this forum. = How do=20 you guys put up with those EDPs,
anyway? Oh, wait, half of you = guys are=20 computer geniuses! . . . [snip]

I know some have = had trouble=20 with theirs but I've had very little trouble with
mine (almost = none) and=20 I've owned my 2 beige-faceplated Oberheim EDPs
since . . . well = . . .=20 rather a long time. '96, knock on wood. I wish all of my gear =
was as=20 generally glitch-free (and as easily fixed) as my EDPs have been.=20
I have=20 no reason to complain.

Best regards,

tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is = always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, = Napster,
AudioLunchbox,=20 Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, = Sony=20 Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. = Blah,=20 blah, blah. So???
 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C5FFBF.924D40E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 13:28:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2F3D3BEF5; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:35:09 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th To: Message-id: <002201c5ffea$0a22a540$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051213070320.86046.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:28:45 +0000 (UTC) I'm very interested in this new looping device, but I'm not throwing out my tried and true EDPs, that have benefited from multiple software updates and all without a glitch, for a device that hasn't gone though one complete development cycle yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:03 AM Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th > oh man sounds like our dream come true machine is > here! > shit i am pissed i just bought a second EDP grrr! > > --- Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > Actually, yes, the case is being redesigned in the > > change from prototype to > > production. The design for the production cases > > will be going out this > > week and will have the following: > > > > On the back: > > > > Inputs: left and right 1/4" connectors > > Main outputs: left and right 1/4" connectors > > Two auxiliary outputs: left and right 1/4" > > connectors > > MIDI in, out, and through connectors > > Ethernet network connector > > Power connector > > > > On the front: > > > > 8 track selection buttons > > 1 all track selection button > > 1 play/stop button > > 1 record/overdub button > > 4 user programmable buttons > > 2 buttons and a dial for changing parameters and > > selecting menu items. > > 1 vacuum flourescent display for messages to the > > user > > 8 track lights to indicate the status of each track > > 1 power switch > > > > > > --On Monday, December 12, 2005 8:21 PM -0500 David > > Kirkdorffer > > wrote: > > > > > Pictures of the front/back and input/output areas > > would be nice... are > > > these still in flux? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bob Amstadt" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern > > California, Jan 28th > > > > > > > > >> Unfortunately, no manual is available, yet. I > > have been racing with time > > >> trying to get everything ready for NAMM. Steve > > is one of the two beta > > >> testers of the Looperlative LP1. He's has been > > nice enough to learn how > > > to > > >> use the unit without a manual. Based on the > > great deal of work still yet > > >> to be done before the show. It looks like no > > documentation will be > > >> available before the show. I apologize, but I'm > > behind schedule on > > >> making the design changes between the prototype > > units and the production > > >> units. It is my goal to have the first production > > units before the NAMM > > >> show. > > >> > > >> I'm also hoping that our two beta testers will be > > willing to share their > > >> experiences with all of you as well as with me. > > I intend to rely very > > >> heavily on their opinions to determine which > > features need to be > > >> implemented first. I feel very strongly that the > > electronics are solid > > > and > > >> that the features that musicians need can be > > implemented with a simple > > >> software upgrade to the unit. The nice thing > > about these units is that > > >> software can be upgraded without swapping chips. > > New updates will be > > >> made available over the Internet as soon as they > > are ready. > > >> > > >> So, over the next year, the number of features > > will likely grow fairly > > >> rapidly as I get reports back from the field. > > >> > > >> --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:40 AM +0100 > > Per Boysen > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > On 12 dec 2005, at 23.02, Steve Lawson wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> will be demoing the new Looperlative LP1 > > looper, which is being > > >> >> premiered at NAMM - see www.looperlative.com > > for more on that. It's > > >> >> an amazing unit. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Very interesting! Bob posted a brief teaser > > here the other month. Do > > > you > > >> > know if there is a detailed manual available so > > one can find out what > > >> > you can do with this box? I'm not going to NAMM > > ;-( > > >> > > > >> > Greetings from Sweden > > >> > > > >> > Per Boysen > > >> > www.looproom.com (international) > > >> > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > >> > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > >> > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 13:31:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E81453BEF5; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:38:05 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Looperlative To: Message-id: <002701c5ffea$72e704e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Yes - it is these capabilities that interest me the most. But as a complete midiot, I hope there will be a way to do this without needing to separately purchase and program a footpedal. Or if this is required, I hope there is a way to "receive" the programming somehow so it can be "loaded" into the looper and the pedal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: Looperlative > Rick wrote: > >>> > Bob will be helping me with the learning curve which will consist of > mostly figuring out how to > program midi pedals to run it. > > One of the most exciting things to me about the box so far is that > Bob has made it so that > you can have 8 loops that are synchronized or unsynchronized. > Apparently, you can run separate loops (with muting capabilities > from a midi foot control) > that are synchronized but then record other loops that are not > synchronized.<<< > > Both of those things are SO easy to do - the pedal programming is as > simple as it could be - turn the dial to the midi pedal setup area, > press the pedal and then tell the unit what you want that pedal to > do. So far, no matching of button numbers to parameter numbers or > anything like that. > > And the sync/unsync thing works beautifully - just depends on whether > you press play before record on the subsequent loop. Really intuitive. > > With the regular software upgrade options available via the ethernet > cable, the looperlative is set to be a real revelation on the > hardware looper market. It'll take time for Bob to get all the > software written that he wants to put in there, but even with the > first beta software set, there were options available that I'd > couldn't have done on the EDP without hooking up all four of mine... > > And it's Stereo :o) > > see y'all at NAMM/Campbell, > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 13:34:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84A7A3BF0A; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84DFA@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Looperlative Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:41:29 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-vXF2B.A.4KE.63snDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Hi, i believed that the EDP was capable of recording synchronized and unsynchronized loops. Am i wrong?=20 Thanks, Ariel Rzezak Bedel=EDa UCES Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Enviado el: Martes, 13 de Diciembre de 2005 10:32 a.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Re: Looperlative Yes - it is these capabilities that interest me the most. But as a complete midiot, I hope there will be a way to do this without needing to separately purchase and program a footpedal. Or if this is required, I hope there is a way to "receive" the programming somehow so = it can be "loaded" into the looper and the pedal. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: Looperlative > Rick wrote: > >>> > Bob will be helping me with the learning curve which will consist of > mostly figuring out how to > program midi pedals to run it. > > One of the most exciting things to me about the box so far is that > Bob has made it so that > you can have 8 loops that are synchronized or unsynchronized. > Apparently, you can run separate loops (with muting capabilities > from a midi foot control) > that are synchronized but then record other loops that are not > synchronized.<<< > > Both of those things are SO easy to do - the pedal programming is as > simple as it could be - turn the dial to the midi pedal setup area, > press the pedal and then tell the unit what you want that pedal to > do. So far, no matching of button numbers to parameter numbers or > anything like that. > > And the sync/unsync thing works beautifully - just depends on whether > you press play before record on the subsequent loop. Really = intuitive. > > With the regular software upgrade options available via the ethernet > cable, the looperlative is set to be a real revelation on the > hardware looper market. It'll take time for Bob to get all the > software written that he wants to put in there, but even with the > first beta software set, there were options available that I'd > couldn't have done on the EDP without hooking up all four of mine... > > And it's Stereo :o) > > see y'all at NAMM/Campbell, > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 15:06:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A17B13BEF6; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YQc3VJVvtLt6f4uI0+7u3Wf3x9czNYTkYBXg5dKzFcCMxfU/Y26cWdTVI0vfbWoSCftl+tw8JbrUIcyyvjAuKGMiNXrzqNJBpQXV8vS2AUCt7CV+DqVSKq/AtFA7ONxedkafL+s+qdIexJ8Brz/JhnIrSgj8QnxREsfJgxs10qE= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:05:58 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84DFA@earth.uces.edu.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84DFA@earth.uces.edu.ar> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:06:00 +0000 (UTC) That's true, but apparently this new box will allow you to play more than one loop at a time, and these loops can be sync'ed or unsync'ed.=20 On the EDP, it'd take several parameter changes to go between sync'ed and unsync'ed. And, you'd only be able to play back one loop at a time. TravisH On 12/13/05, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Hi, i believed that the EDP was capable of recording synchronized and > unsynchronized loops. Am i wrong? > > Thanks, > > Ariel Rzezak > Bedel=EDa UCES > Buenos Aires, Argentina > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 16:01:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7B8F3BEE7; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:01:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=LvkU47h7SpsQAf+pprUXSpvFc8hge+Jcj258BjaoSfFVojNId7FmFtaldafgwh0M; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051221316656950@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Frank and his Echoplex Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:06:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9404c79ea05286d949d4548c0beb94ac855350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.84 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:01:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well, Mister K, it's an Echoplex, and he's used it for a while now... I think it's an Oberheim. He loops his wonderful VG-8-isms with it to create a swirling sonic tapestry, alternately gorgeous and disturbing in only the best sense of the word. Between his VG-8, his Echoplex, his imagination, and his aggressive vibrato, the man is one dangerous mofo. ( www.dreamchildmusic.com ) Yours in Phweeee, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/13/2005 8:24:42 AM Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Frank has an EDP now? Cool. I'm curious how he uses it! ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Mungenast To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Hi, Ted! Good to hear from you. I was engaging in some lighthearted hyperbole and meant no offense. My pal Frank Gerace from Dreamchild has had not a speck of trouble with his EDP. I'm just a little scared reading all the e-mails from other folks who weren't as lucky as you and Frank. Long may your EDP ride, Ted, and long may it help you make your awe-inspiring music. That goes for the rest of you guys. Love, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/12/2005 9:30:12 PM Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Hmmmmm, In a message dated 12/12/05 6:09:14 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes: [snip] . . . the omnipresent EDP, whose hiccups and f*ckups seem to cause much consternation in this forum. How do you guys put up with those EDPs, anyway? Oh, wait, half of you guys are computer geniuses! . . . [snip] I know some have had trouble with theirs but I've had very little trouble with mine (almost none) and I've owned my 2 beige-faceplated Oberheim EDPs since . . . well . . . rather a long time. '96, knock on wood. I wish all of my gear was as generally glitch-free (and as easily fixed) as my EDPs have been. I have no reason to complain. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Well, Mister K, it's an Echoplex, and he's used it for a while now... I think it's an Oberheim. He loops his wonderful VG-8-isms with it to create a swirling sonic tapestry, alternately gorgeous and disturbing in only the best sense of the word.
 
Between his VG-8, his Echoplex, his imagination, and his aggressive vibrato, the man is one dangerous mofo.
 
Yours in Phweeee,
Tim 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 12/13/2005 8:24:42 AM
Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th

Frank has an EDP now?  Cool.  I'm curious how he uses it!
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th

Hi, Ted! Good to hear from you.
I was engaging in some lighthearted hyperbole and meant no offense.
 
 My pal Frank Gerace from Dreamchild has had not a speck of trouble with his EDP. I'm just a little scared reading all the e-mails from other folks who weren't as lucky as you and Frank.
 
Long may your EDP ride, Ted, and long may it help you make your awe-inspiring music.
 
That goes for the rest of you guys.
 
Love,
Tim
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 12/12/2005 9:30:12 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th

Hmmmmm,

In a message dated 12/12/05 6:09:14 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes:

[snip] . . . the omnipresent EDP, whose hiccups and f*ckups seem to cause
much consternation in  this forum. How do you guys put up with those EDPs,
anyway? Oh, wait, half of you guys are computer geniuses! . . . [snip]

I know some have had trouble with theirs but I've had very little trouble with
mine (almost none) and I've owned my 2 beige-faceplated Oberheim EDPs
since . . . well . . . rather a long time. '96, knock on wood. I wish all of my gear
was as generally glitch-free (and as easily fixed) as my EDPs have been.
I have no reason to complain.

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 16:08:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC9913BEF0; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:10:42 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84DFA@earth.uces.edu.ar> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:08:30 +0000 (UTC) This is correct. The Looperlative LP1 offers the ability to have 8=20 simultaneously running loops. Loops may be synchronous or asynchronous=20 with each other. On top of that, all 8 loops are stereo. The EDP is an=20 excellent device, but to have 8 simultaneous stereo loops would require you = to use 16 EDP's. --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:05 AM -0800 Travis Hartnett=20 wrote: > That's true, but apparently this new box will allow you to play more > than one loop at a time, and these loops can be sync'ed or unsync'ed. > On the EDP, it'd take several parameter changes to go between sync'ed > and unsync'ed. And, you'd only be able to play back one loop at a > time. > > TravisH > > On 12/13/05, Ariel Rzezak wrote: >> Hi, i believed that the EDP was capable of recording synchronized and >> unsynchronized loops. Am i wrong? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ariel Rzezak >> Bedel=EDa UCES >> Buenos Aires, Argentina >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 16:35:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58DA43BEFB; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84DFA@earth.uces.edu.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <08279C02-A444-48B8-9C28-DDE5395F6B21@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Looperlative Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:32:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone know what the MSRP will be on this baby? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 17:51:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E04A63BEF3; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:54:04 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Message-ID: <5BCCCED47FFCE2CEF21A25D9@[192.168.1.110]> In-Reply-To: <08279C02-A444-48B8-9C28-DDE5395F6B21@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84DFA@earth.uces.edu.ar> <08279C02-A444-48B8-9C28-DDE5395F6B21@midway.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Pricing will be unveiled at NAMM. --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:32 AM -0600 Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Does anyone know what the MSRP will be on this baby? > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 18:00:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FDF53BEF8; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:00:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <439DF671.50005@sun.com> References: <20051211203631.9395D3BF30@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051212105853.02857eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <439DE9C4.60502@sun.com> <439DF671.50005@sun.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <49IC7C.A.uLB.iwwnDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, > Whether we react consciously or unconsciously > (whatever that means) isn't really related to the discussion on RTOS > and how we perceive latency and jitter. Sure, and I didn't mean to imply that it was. But, as an aside, it is interesting that our own 'user interface' - consciousness - has a whole half second latency ... -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 18:25:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAFCC3BEF9; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:24:58 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.0.20051213083432.027f1040@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <439F11FA.4040504@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051212224306.948623BF12@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051213083432.027f1040@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:25:01 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > Part of the process of solving that problem may well be to understand > how the mind compensates for latency, and to make it easier for the mind > to compensate for the looper. An interesting question. Wow, this thread has moved from RTOS to cognition. Where will it end? Neurology? String Theory? Plate Tectonics? :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 18:25:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE0AC3BEEA; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <439F122F.7050206@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:25:51 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Looperlative LP1 - current info compiled Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6enLW.A.23B.rIxnDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Heya gang, Not that you couldn't go get this info with a bit of browsing, but I've compiled all of the things I could find here and at Bob's site into a blog post at my blog site. You're invited to come by and take a look if you want a condensed version of what we know so far. http://www.uncledig.com/blog/archives/44 I have Bob's blessing on this (thanks Bob!). There's also a chance that I'll be doing a phone interview with Bob sometime in the near future, and presenting that as an audioblog entry/podcast. Maybe even a series of interviews as the LP1 develops. No promises on that just yet - but I think we can figure something out. You're welcome to email me offlist if there are things you'd like to see addressed in an interview like that. Definitely planning some phone interviews with other loopstars from the list. I'll leave you in suspense on that one :) Also, if you snoop around, you'll see that I'm in the beta testing stages of an interesting musician's online community at the root of my domain (http://www.uncledig.com). It's just getting started, but if you read through it and like what you see, feel free to sign up and even post some of your music in the appropriate category. I'll post about this to the list again very soon, once I get all of the features fully tested and online. Loop on, loopsters. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 18:31:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B92893BF05; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nrue9jWhntiCpHeaQpjb1vsVlJgN6wLnfyPg+Zm1Jl7wS88V66ZWa2a5m2OwGH9wpA2XRgLaU6ULMvJ7TOOgYf3+YBiTpA79DlUC2oP5+hiyU8oOOtPvAYXAKtCWlWG4tp96ni1AbXmBGtcStjva1E9IgD+pKLEtgvcU0LydPe4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:31:32 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - current info compiled In-Reply-To: <439F122F.7050206@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <439F122F.7050206@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_WutsB.A.MEC.HOxnDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Doug--thanks for collecting all this info into one place. It'd be good to know if the "price of a new EDP when they were available" is the most recent $950 street or not. TravisH On 12/13/05, Doug Cox wrote: > Heya gang, > > Not that you couldn't go get this info with a bit of browsing, but I've > compiled all of the things I could find here and at Bob's site into a > blog post at my blog site. You're invited to come by and take a look if > you want a condensed version of what we know so far. > > http://www.uncledig.com/blog/archives/44 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 18:34:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A1D73BF12; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:34:44 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <439F1444.7060900@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051211203631.9395D3BF30@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051212105853.02857eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <439DE9C4.60502@sun.com> <439DF671.50005@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Ian Petersen wrote: > Sure, and I didn't mean to imply that it was. But, as an aside, it is > interesting that our own 'user interface' - consciousness - has a whole > half second latency ... Yes it is. So basically it's like we're continually watching a video tape of what we did unconsciously 1/2 second ago. Hmm, my brain hurts. At least it did 1/2 second ago. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 18:45:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B21763BF16; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <5BCCCED47FFCE2CEF21A25D9@[192.168.1.110]> References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84DFA@earth.uces.edu.ar> <08279C02-A444-48B8-9C28-DDE5395F6B21@midway.uchicago.edu> <5BCCCED47FFCE2CEF21A25D9@[192.168.1.110]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <815e59fa4be3cd038d64abb3bbbc92ce@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looperlative Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:45:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:45:30 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 13, 2005, at 11:54 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > Pricing will be unveiled at NAMM. when will the manual be unveiled? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 18:58:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7389F3BF0D; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:01:03 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <815e59fa4be3cd038d64abb3bbbc92ce@suitandtieguy.com> References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84DFA@earth.uces.edu.ar> <08279C02-A444-48B8-9C28-DDE5395F6B21@midway.uchicago.edu> <5BCCCED47FFCE2CEF21A25D9@[192.168.1.110]> <815e59fa4be3cd038d64abb3bbbc92ce@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Hopefully before then, but this is what I have on my personal list of things to do: - Redraw the enclosure for the production units. This I expect to complete this week. - Update schematics and layouts for production electronics. This will likely take me a couple of weeks. - Assemble at least one production unit to take to the show. - Update software based on Steve's and Rick's recommendations. I won't even venture a guess on this since the list is already pretty long. - Create a rough draft of the manual to give to my editors. - Set up equipment racks and pack gear for NAMM. With only 30-some days before I have to leave for NAMM, the schedule is very tight. I will try to provide information as quickly as I can, but I need to tackle the long lead time items first. Bob --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:45 PM -0600 Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Dec 13, 2005, at 11:54 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: >> Pricing will be unveiled at NAMM. > > when will the manual be unveiled? > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 19:46:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DEB63BF08; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aL6z0ZcnHD5EqEfhpcaA8FydO5bvGKA75anyoqjoRHgZ6xoJFTdN67rW38jNwRq51UkKNv9E1Erw8IdvaaxuKMHpNWqlUBqGgexTj+jG/wtryliAwqR7pJv3sUuyhcmj5HuFPT0iP6ohSev5VMhvZCKx3wOo57qWVgr8YWAQpCs= ; Message-ID: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:46:11 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - current info compiled To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <439F122F.7050206@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8RUexC.A.2tE.GUynDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:46:14 +0000 (UTC) That does indeed sound like a Repeater/EDP killer! I didn't see anything about it's ability to sync to a MIDI clock or have variable feedback. Two "must have" feature of a looper in my world. Man, if it did direct to overdub... feedback control AND fade control on each channel (have a loop fade while you start to build another on another track) That would be sweet. Mark --- Doug Cox wrote: > Heya gang, > > Not that you couldn't go get this info with a bit of > browsing, but I've > compiled all of the things I could find here and at > Bob's site into a > blog post at my blog site. You're invited to come > by and take a look if > you want a condensed version of what we know so far. > > http://www.uncledig.com/blog/archives/44 > > I have Bob's blessing on this (thanks Bob!). > > There's also a chance that I'll be doing a phone > interview with Bob > sometime in the near future, and presenting that as > an audioblog > entry/podcast. Maybe even a series of interviews as > the LP1 develops. > No promises on that just yet - but I think we can > figure something out. > You're welcome to email me offlist if there are > things you'd like to see > addressed in an interview like that. > > Definitely planning some phone interviews with other > loopstars from the > list. I'll leave you in suspense on that one :) > > Also, if you snoop around, you'll see that I'm in > the beta testing > stages of an interesting musician's online community > at the root of my > domain (http://www.uncledig.com). It's just getting > started, but if you > read through it and like what you see, feel free to > sign up and even > post some of your music in the appropriate category. > I'll post about > this to the list again very soon, once I get all of > the features fully > tested and online. > > Loop on, loopsters. > > Doug > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 20:26:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 638C33BF06; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:28:25 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - current info compiled Message-ID: <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@[192.168.1.110]> In-Reply-To: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:26:17 +0000 (UTC) MIDI sync is not in yet, but it is currently on the top of the list of software features to be added. Feedback control is in the current software and can be controlled from the front panel or via a foot pedal. MIDI button control of feedback is on the list of features to be added. Manual faders exist for each track and can be controlled via the front panel or a foot pedal. Automatic fading is a feature on the software to do list. --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:46 AM -0800 mark sottilaro wrote: > That does indeed sound like a Repeater/EDP killer! I > didn't see anything about it's ability to sync to a > MIDI clock or have variable feedback. Two "must have" > feature of a looper in my world. Man, if it did > direct to overdub... feedback control AND fade control > on each channel (have a loop fade while you start to > build another on another track) That would be sweet. > > Mark > > --- Doug Cox wrote: > >> Heya gang, >> >> Not that you couldn't go get this info with a bit of >> browsing, but I've >> compiled all of the things I could find here and at >> Bob's site into a >> blog post at my blog site. You're invited to come >> by and take a look if >> you want a condensed version of what we know so far. >> >> http://www.uncledig.com/blog/archives/44 >> >> I have Bob's blessing on this (thanks Bob!). >> >> There's also a chance that I'll be doing a phone >> interview with Bob >> sometime in the near future, and presenting that as >> an audioblog >> entry/podcast. Maybe even a series of interviews as >> the LP1 develops. >> No promises on that just yet - but I think we can >> figure something out. >> You're welcome to email me offlist if there are >> things you'd like to see >> addressed in an interview like that. >> >> Definitely planning some phone interviews with other >> loopstars from the >> list. I'll leave you in suspense on that one :) >> >> Also, if you snoop around, you'll see that I'm in >> the beta testing >> stages of an interesting musician's online community >> at the root of my >> domain (http://www.uncledig.com). It's just getting >> started, but if you >> read through it and like what you see, feel free to >> sign up and even >> post some of your music in the appropriate category. >> I'll post about >> this to the list again very soon, once I get all of >> the features fully >> tested and online. >> >> Loop on, loopsters. >> >> Doug >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 20:38:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 601773BEEA; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@[192.168.1.110]> References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@[192.168.1.110]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <60C94BD7-402F-44A7-9D30-260031636643@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - current info compiled Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:38:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:38:48 +0000 (UTC) On 13 dec 2005, at 21.28, Bob Amstadt wrote: > The DSP is fast enough to handle much more than just looping audio. =20= > I have plans to incorporate software-based effects into the unit =20 > after the looping features are mature. Looking awesome! Like a "hardware M=F6bius" ;-)) I think an ADAT =20 light pipe interface would be a great user value. Any plans for that? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 21:06:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 100383BF10; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iX3oUqM4EjTwXjK0msrEnAnL6pzJbfnMdvTNN1mN/D1sDRVWDtldvKuxe3UTymQ53pJOUWo2Gx39DNTNTPYhs8GvbT12s+W8tFBnb5k2UAlQDNdZJ3FM/rt+LlEjRsA+JE/oM5j7tw9HlLDxNbT9cLwPoWT8xFYP//EPp/ql6PI= ; Message-ID: <20051213210559.78277.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:05:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: midi clocks and controllers on the EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:06:00 +0000 (UTC) hi fellow loopers, i just joined this list after lurking the website for well, over a year. good to meet everyone! maybe you guys can help me out with a little bit of EDP knowhow. i have two EDPs... would it be possible to sync them both up via midi clock AND use midi footcontrollers on them? i was thinking i could brother them, pipe in a midi clock via one EDP's MIDI IN, use a footcontroller with switchable parameter sets on the other EDP's MIDI IN, and have them connected via MIDI THRU as well. still trying to get my head around all this since up til now i've been using two EDP footcontrollers (the non-midi ones) and no midi clock on either of them. thanks if any of you guys can help me on this one! rick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 21:49:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DB4C3BF06; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:49:28 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - current info compiled In-reply-to: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <439F41E8.8030301@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:49:31 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > That does indeed sound like a Repeater/EDP killer! The LP1 does indeed sound like a very promising product. But before we sound the death knell for the EDP we need to consider the issue of "software". There is an acronym in the world of engineering, SMOP, which stands for "Simple Matter Of Programming". It refers to the tendency of engineers to underestimate the costs of software development and testing when doing project planning. As in, "we'll budget 6 months for hardware checkout, then it's just a SMOP for the OS". I'm sure Bob's a fine engineer, and I look forward to watching the evolution of the LP1, but do not underestimate the difficulty of writing and testing software for a machine such as this, and the complexity of the software that has been refined over many years in the EDP. From the little information that exists, the LP1 has already begun departing from the software architecture of the EDP in several significant ways, and as such, I seriously doubt the LP1 will ever do everything an EDP can. I'm not saying it should, it will have unique and powerful features of its own, but it will be different, and these differences will be important to some people. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 22:28:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FD563BF0F; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <439F4B18.9070702@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:28:40 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> <439D5C32.2010209@addcom.de> <439DC532.1080309@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <439DC532.1080309@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > With an ASIO buffer size of 256, the sound card behaves like a 5.8ms > delay line. This number must be added to the MIDI latency to get the > delay between when a key is pressed and a sound is heard, around 7 to > 8ms. Not if you trigger with audio as explained. Actually the audio trigger will have exactly the same delay as the audio, thus they arrive both at the same time, absolutely in sync. > In a soft-synth, the sample is delayed slightly but it plays > accurately from the beginning. But in a system that is recording and > playing at the same time, like a looper, we have another problem, > making sure that what we are playing is aligned with what we are > recording. We must always be playing 5.8ms ahead of where the > musician thinks they are. No, we don't, as the software knows the latency, and knows how much of the past needs to get into my sample to be played correctly. (As explained above the trigger and the audio could have exactly the same delay and compensate it even automatically. > When a trigger command is received, we've already asked the sound card > to play the next 5.8ms of the current loop and we must let that > happen. Yes, but we'd want to give it some time to fade anyway... > But now we can't start playing from the beginning of the next > loop, we have to start playing 5.8ms into the next loop or else the > recording and playback positions will be out of alignment and overdubs > will start to sound like they are in the wrong place. Why not? I have all the material which is always recorded no matter which commands I use. With a computer I can easily be automatically alligned. If I know the latency, I know how much it has to be shifted to get the exact position. > This adjustment is most noticeable in Record Stop and the triggering > functions because it will cut off 256 samples of the attack and fade > in. If the loop started with a loud percussive sound, this may alter > the attack transient enough to have an audible effect. This only > happens the first time it is triggered though, if you let it play it > will be accurate the second time. If I want to hear the direct signal I don't need to hear the loop. There will never be cut anything. If you'd hear something cut, the software is bad, no relation to RTOS versus non-RTOS. > This is essential for Record Stop in order to support the popular "end > a record with overdub" feature. It is arguably not as important for > triggering pre-recorded loops, but since you can always be in overdub > mode immediately after the trigger it is easier to make the adjustment > consistently everywhere. Maybe the overseen point here is, that with a software looper there is practically no limitation on the length and number of loops. I could overdub by just feedback the output of a loop into its input, or I could just add loops and play them back at the same time. > I don't notice this effect at latencies below 512 samples and I > haven't received any complaints. But it is one area where an RTOS can > undeniably give you better results. RTOS or non-RTOS has nothing to do with latency, each RTOS will have also some latency. But latency is no problem ever in a looper. A looper is a delay. As long the shortest delay I want is bigger than the latency I am always fine. My delays are between 100ms and 5 minutes, my latency, if its bad, is maybe 10 ms. My output trigger latency if I play a sample with a key is half of it. But if I just play a loop, I am always able to compensate any latency sample accurate. Because the latency is constant! I do not need to hit any switch in advance, I hit it on the point. My software will know how to deal with it. Software is just way more flexible (well, if you create it yourself...) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 22:29:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 942293BF02; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@[192.168.1.110]> References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@[192.168.1.110]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:29:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <_Dmsn.A.bZC.7s0nDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:29:15 +0000 (UTC) I checked out the web site and this box looks really cool! I saw that the current sample rate is 48k, while sonically that is OK, if I was building this box I would think seriously about 44.1. This could open up more possibilities down the road for seamless compatibility via the ethernet connection. It seems at some point you would be able to take things off of CD and import them into Looperlative as loops, but more importantly if you performed a really beautiful loop(s) on Looperlative, it seems that you could at some point transfer that to your computer and mix and or master from those files with out going through a quality degrading re-sample to make it commercial CD compatible. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > MIDI sync is not in yet, but it is currently on the top of the list of > software features to be added. > > Feedback control is in the current software and can be controlled from > the front panel or via a foot pedal. MIDI button control of feedback > is on the list of features to be added. > > Manual faders exist for each track and can be controlled via the front > panel or a foot pedal. Automatic fading is a feature on the software > to do list. > > --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:46 AM -0800 mark sottilaro > wrote: > >> That does indeed sound like a Repeater/EDP killer! I >> didn't see anything about it's ability to sync to a >> MIDI clock or have variable feedback. Two "must have" >> feature of a looper in my world. Man, if it did >> direct to overdub... feedback control AND fade control >> on each channel (have a loop fade while you start to >> build another on another track) That would be sweet. >> >> Mark >> >> --- Doug Cox wrote: >> >>> Heya gang, >>> >>> Not that you couldn't go get this info with a bit of >>> browsing, but I've >>> compiled all of the things I could find here and at >>> Bob's site into a >>> blog post at my blog site. You're invited to come >>> by and take a look if >>> you want a condensed version of what we know so far. >>> >>> http://www.uncledig.com/blog/archives/44 >>> >>> I have Bob's blessing on this (thanks Bob!). >>> >>> There's also a chance that I'll be doing a phone >>> interview with Bob >>> sometime in the near future, and presenting that as >>> an audioblog >>> entry/podcast. Maybe even a series of interviews as >>> the LP1 develops. >>> No promises on that just yet - but I think we can >>> figure something out. >>> You're welcome to email me offlist if there are >>> things you'd like to see >>> addressed in an interview like that. >>> >>> Definitely planning some phone interviews with other >>> loopstars from the >>> list. I'll leave you in suspense on that one :) >>> >>> Also, if you snoop around, you'll see that I'm in >>> the beta testing >>> stages of an interesting musician's online community >>> at the root of my >>> domain (http://www.uncledig.com). It's just getting >>> started, but if you >>> read through it and like what you see, feel free to >>> sign up and even >>> post some of your music in the appropriate category. >>> I'll post about >>> this to the list again very soon, once I get all of >>> the features fully >>> tested and online. >>> >>> Loop on, loopsters. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 22:35:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EE1F3BF1A; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <439F4CCC.5080209@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:35:56 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category References: <20051212170630.30E253BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051212174149.02860de0@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051212174149.02860de0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:35:58 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > Stephan says > >>> I think if you just deliver a dc (a switch with a battery), even to >>> an audio interface which does not pass dc itself, you should easily >>> detect this loud click and use it as a trigger. > > > Great idea. > To start with there's the problem that you use up a whole audio channel > for just > one switch :-( Yeah, but its dead simple and if you got one of those 8-channel interfaces you might have an input free... > Well, how about using a SPDIF input. > The hardware pedal could generate a different digital value for > each button. I thought about this, but its way more complicated. But there is a box from Timothy A. Place at Electrotap which does that. Its a whole sensor interface which translates its sensor data into a spdif stream. You can attach pedals, switches and all kinds of sensors to expand your instrument. Its called the Teabox: http://www.electrotap.com/teabox/ It will come with ready to go max externals to integrate it into your looping software. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 22:38:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25ADB3BF2C; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f301c60035$f5724050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:38:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Responding to Timothy's post about glitchy EDPs. I love my EDP dearly and it has not crapped out on my once. The EDP is an amazing instrument. Nothing does anything remotely like it and nothing really will. I'm sorry that Gibson has not supported it's further developement and that apparently will be no more software upgrades. I wish it was true stereo. I wish it supported multiple simultaneous loops and that it had better fidelity, but it is an amazing piece of gear and my life is amazingly enriched musically. I say buy one. You'll be glad you did! sincerely, RIck From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 22:40:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC4403BF34; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <439F4DEB.7020805@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:40:43 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category References: <20051211203631.9395D3BF30@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051212105853.02857eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <439DE9C4.60502@sun.com> <439DF671.50005@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <439DF671.50005@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > Ian Petersen wrote: > > Of course they can do it. But they are only conscious of having done it > > half a second after the unconscious has initiated the action. > > I think I understand the theory, but we're sort of splitting hairs > over terminology. Whether we react consciously or unconsciously > (whatever that means) isn't really related to the discussion on RTOS > and how we perceive latency and jitter. An error in timing may be > consciously perceived much later than it actually happened, but it > doesn't really matter, the important thing is that we perceived it at > all. The problem we have to solve in building audio applications > is to make it so these errors are not (eventually) perceived. The brain works like a software looper, though there is a latency in perceiving things we still know when it happened, and if it was in time or off... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 22:42:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 712A53BF3E; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fZ+An6cTntsGbd35Ev6d/NqREV5VPfzgH3lwnnIf/xc/hLAKA9U4DGBUFjrxij/ZWaeaxhxBNnYjq0/coxLFZyNAmACDUCn/lxDREVEdrLEkYBcwuSD1eA8BaIr1HzPE1K/dT7C+Q/WgNKtEugQpiceL6x05yVv/EwmZG39wfJQ= ; Message-ID: <20051213224231.36875.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:42:31 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - current info compiled To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:42:33 +0000 (UTC) actually the EDP is going cheaper here http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Echoplex/ cheers Luis --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Doug--thanks for collecting all this info into one > place. It'd be > good to know if the "price of a new EDP when they > were available" is > the most recent $950 street or not. > > TravisH > > On 12/13/05, Doug Cox wrote: > > Heya gang, > > > > Not that you couldn't go get this info with a bit > of browsing, but I've > > compiled all of the things I could find here and > at Bob's site into a > > blog post at my blog site. You're invited to come > by and take a look if > > you want a condensed version of what we know so > far. > > > > http://www.uncledig.com/blog/archives/44 > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 23:09:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E55D3BF13; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:09:51 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: <439F4B18.9070702@addcom.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <439F54BF.3060702@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> <439D5C32.2010209@addcom.de> <439DC532.1080309@sun.com> <439F4B18.9070702@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Jeff Larson wrote: > >> With an ASIO buffer size of 256, the sound card behaves like a 5.8ms >> delay line. This number must be added to the MIDI latency to get the >> delay between when a key is pressed and a sound is heard, around 7 to >> 8ms. > > Not if you trigger with audio as explained. Actually the audio trigger > will have exactly the same delay as the audio, thus they arrive both at > the same time, absolutely in sync. No, it is worse if you embed the trigger in the audio stream. There are three things involved here: 1) Audio Input Latency, the amount of time it takes for audio entering the sound card to reach the looper 2) MIDI Input Latency, the amount of time it takes for a MIDI event to reach the looper 3) Audio Output Latency, the amount of time it takes for something the looper sends to the sound card to be heard Again assuming a 256 block size example, at any moment in time, you are receiving audio that was captured 5.8ms in the past. If you are embedding looper commands in the audio stream they will always be delayed by 5.8ms. MIDI latency is only around 2ms, so the commands will arrive at the looper faster using MIDI. Now after waiting 5.8ms for that command to come in you start to buffer the sample that was triggered. It still takes 5.8ms for this sample to be heard by the musician so the perceived latency is 11.6ms. Embedding the command in the audio stream works very well for recording control commands like record, overdub, insert, multiply, etc. because it will be exactly aligned with the audio that is to be modified, and since we are not changing what is being played the added latency doesn't matter. But for triggering commands it makes the latency worse. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 13 23:27:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDBF33BF01; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:27:48 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: <439F4B18.9070702@addcom.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <439F58F4.9000009@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> <439D5C32.2010209@addcom.de> <439DC532.1080309@sun.com> <439F4B18.9070702@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Stefan Tiedje wrote: > RTOS or non-RTOS has nothing to do with latency, each RTOS will have > also some latency. But latency is no problem ever in a looper. A looper > is a delay. Oh, I can assure you output latency is a problem in a looper, for the same reasons it is a problem in a soft-synth. But how important this is depends on the functions the looper supports. If you are just recording a loop then dropping in overdubs it isn't a problem because you are never making any sudden changes to the playback position. But if you are triggering pre-recorded loops at random, switching between reverse mode, dropping in and out of mute mode, and other such functions that EDP-style loopers support, you will have the same problems with output latency as a soft-synth. What I've noticed is that lot of software doesn't do latency compensation "correctly" because when you run at ASIO latencies the errors are very difficult to hear. So there is the assumption that there is no problem. Stop using ASIO for a few days and use MME instead with a 200ms latency. You will notice it. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 00:28:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAB493BF00; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:34:43 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate To: Message-id: <003201c60046$2da470a0$e188a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@[192.168.1.110]> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Ronan has a point - of course, my wish would be for a higher sample rates in the 196K range. But at this point, I can tell that would not be a possibility. Hey, that can wait for the Looperlative-Killer! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronan Chris Murphy" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:29 PM Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate > I checked out the web site and this box looks really cool! I saw that > the current sample rate is 48k, while sonically that is OK, if I was > building this box I would think seriously about 44.1. This could open > up more possibilities down the road for seamless compatibility via the > ethernet connection. It seems at some point you would be able to take > things off of CD and import them into Looperlative as loops, but more > importantly if you performed a really beautiful loop(s) on > Looperlative, it seems that you could at some point transfer that to > your computer and mix and or master from those files with out going > through a quality degrading re-sample to make it commercial CD > compatible. > > Ronan Chris Murphy > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the > art and craft of recording ) > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & > Cher) > > > On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > MIDI sync is not in yet, but it is currently on the top of the list of > > software features to be added. > > > > Feedback control is in the current software and can be controlled from > > the front panel or via a foot pedal. MIDI button control of feedback > > is on the list of features to be added. > > > > Manual faders exist for each track and can be controlled via the front > > panel or a foot pedal. Automatic fading is a feature on the software > > to do list. > > > > --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:46 AM -0800 mark sottilaro > > wrote: > > > >> That does indeed sound like a Repeater/EDP killer! I > >> didn't see anything about it's ability to sync to a > >> MIDI clock or have variable feedback. Two "must have" > >> feature of a looper in my world. Man, if it did > >> direct to overdub... feedback control AND fade control > >> on each channel (have a loop fade while you start to > >> build another on another track) That would be sweet. > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> --- Doug Cox wrote: > >> > >>> Heya gang, > >>> > >>> Not that you couldn't go get this info with a bit of > >>> browsing, but I've > >>> compiled all of the things I could find here and at > >>> Bob's site into a > >>> blog post at my blog site. You're invited to come > >>> by and take a look if > >>> you want a condensed version of what we know so far. > >>> > >>> http://www.uncledig.com/blog/archives/44 > >>> > >>> I have Bob's blessing on this (thanks Bob!). > >>> > >>> There's also a chance that I'll be doing a phone > >>> interview with Bob > >>> sometime in the near future, and presenting that as > >>> an audioblog > >>> entry/podcast. Maybe even a series of interviews as > >>> the LP1 develops. > >>> No promises on that just yet - but I think we can > >>> figure something out. > >>> You're welcome to email me offlist if there are > >>> things you'd like to see > >>> addressed in an interview like that. > >>> > >>> Definitely planning some phone interviews with other > >>> loopstars from the > >>> list. I'll leave you in suspense on that one :) > >>> > >>> Also, if you snoop around, you'll see that I'm in > >>> the beta testing > >>> stages of an interesting musician's online community > >>> at the root of my > >>> domain (http://www.uncledig.com). It's just getting > >>> started, but if you > >>> read through it and like what you see, feel free to > >>> sign up and even > >>> post some of your music in the appropriate category. > >>> I'll post about > >>> this to the list again very soon, once I get all of > >>> the features fully > >>> tested and online. > >>> > >>> Loop on, loopsters. > >>> > >>> Doug > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 01:15:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B98B83BF04; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:17:55 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c60046$2da470a0$e188a344@hppav> References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@[192.168.1.110]> <003201c60046$2da470a0$e188a344@hppav> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:15:43 +0000 (UTC) The electronics in the LP1 are capable of sampling rates up to 192kbps. I have not actually run the unit at that speed, but I may experiment with it at a later date. The big reason that I didn't run it at that speed is that as you increase sampling rate you also increase the amount memory required to store the audio. So, the LP1 will be hitting the streets with a 48kbps sampling rate. --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:34 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Ronan has a point - of course, my wish would be for a higher sample rates > in the 196K range. But at this point, I can tell that would not be a > possibility. Hey, that can wait for the Looperlative-Killer! :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronan Chris Murphy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:29 PM > Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate > > >> I checked out the web site and this box looks really cool! I saw that >> the current sample rate is 48k, while sonically that is OK, if I was >> building this box I would think seriously about 44.1. This could open >> up more possibilities down the road for seamless compatibility via the >> ethernet connection. It seems at some point you would be able to take >> things off of CD and import them into Looperlative as loops, but more >> importantly if you performed a really beautiful loop(s) on >> Looperlative, it seems that you could at some point transfer that to >> your computer and mix and or master from those files with out going >> through a quality degrading re-sample to make it commercial CD >> compatible. >> >> Ronan Chris Murphy >> www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, >> Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) >> www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the >> art and craft of recording ) >> www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & >> Cher) >> >> >> On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: >> >> > MIDI sync is not in yet, but it is currently on the top of the list of >> > software features to be added. >> > >> > Feedback control is in the current software and can be controlled from >> > the front panel or via a foot pedal. MIDI button control of feedback >> > is on the list of features to be added. >> > >> > Manual faders exist for each track and can be controlled via the front >> > panel or a foot pedal. Automatic fading is a feature on the software >> > to do list. >> > >> > --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:46 AM -0800 mark sottilaro >> > wrote: >> > >> >> That does indeed sound like a Repeater/EDP killer! I >> >> didn't see anything about it's ability to sync to a >> >> MIDI clock or have variable feedback. Two "must have" >> >> feature of a looper in my world. Man, if it did >> >> direct to overdub... feedback control AND fade control >> >> on each channel (have a loop fade while you start to >> >> build another on another track) That would be sweet. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> --- Doug Cox wrote: >> >> >> >>> Heya gang, >> >>> >> >>> Not that you couldn't go get this info with a bit of >> >>> browsing, but I've >> >>> compiled all of the things I could find here and at >> >>> Bob's site into a >> >>> blog post at my blog site. You're invited to come >> >>> by and take a look if >> >>> you want a condensed version of what we know so far. >> >>> >> >>> http://www.uncledig.com/blog/archives/44 >> >>> >> >>> I have Bob's blessing on this (thanks Bob!). >> >>> >> >>> There's also a chance that I'll be doing a phone >> >>> interview with Bob >> >>> sometime in the near future, and presenting that as >> >>> an audioblog >> >>> entry/podcast. Maybe even a series of interviews as >> >>> the LP1 develops. >> >>> No promises on that just yet - but I think we can >> >>> figure something out. >> >>> You're welcome to email me offlist if there are >> >>> things you'd like to see >> >>> addressed in an interview like that. >> >>> >> >>> Definitely planning some phone interviews with other >> >>> loopstars from the >> >>> list. I'll leave you in suspense on that one :) >> >>> >> >>> Also, if you snoop around, you'll see that I'm in >> >>> the beta testing >> >>> stages of an interesting musician's online community >> >>> at the root of my >> >>> domain (http://www.uncledig.com). It's just getting >> >>> started, but if you >> >>> read through it and like what you see, feel free to >> >>> sign up and even >> >>> post some of your music in the appropriate category. >> >>> I'll post about >> >>> this to the list again very soon, once I get all of >> >>> the features fully >> >>> tested and online. >> >>> >> >>> Loop on, loopsters. >> >>> >> >>> Doug >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> >> Do You Yahoo!? >> >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 03:28:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1A683BED8; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:28:20 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: <439F4B18.9070702@addcom.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <439F9154.8080204@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> <439D5C32.2010209@addcom.de> <439DC532.1080309@sun.com> <439F4B18.9070702@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: <3AqoVB.A.sQD.QF5nDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Stefan, I've read through your comments, and I don't think we have the same understanding of how ASIO works. Before responding to your points, it may be helpful to agree on some basic concepts. When you set the ASIO buffer size, you are actually defining 4 buffers, a pair of input buffers and a pair of output buffers. The driver is performing "double buffering". At any moment in time, the sound card is filling one of the input buffers and the application is processing the last input buffer that was filled. The application is also filling an output buffer and the sound card is playing the last buffer output buffer that was filled. Graphically it looks like this: Output Buffer 1 --> Sound Card Input Buffer 1 --> Looper --> Output Buffer 2 Sound Card --> Input Buffer 2 ASIO does not say that during the audio interrupt the input buffer you are receiving and the output buffer you are filling represent the same moments in time. It can't because that would violate the laws of space and time :-) They are synchronized only in the sense that they advance at exactly the same rate. Anything the application puts into Output Buffer 2 will be delayed because the sound card is busy playing Output Buffer 1. The musician is hearing what is in Output Buffer 1. What the musician is playing is being recorded into Input Buffer 2, but the looper won't receive that until the next interrupt. The sound the musician is recording and the sound the musician is hearing are dealigned by the length of two ASIO buffers. It may help to think of these buffers as lengths of recording tape. Let's exaggerate the latency and say that each buffer represents 1 minute of audio. The application can consume and fill these lengths of tape almost immediately, but the sound card can only record and play them slowly at exactly 44100 samples per second. The application spends most of its time waiting for the sound card to record and play another length of tape. Now let's say that your audio stream command to "play loop 1" enters the sound card. In the worst case, the sound card has just begun recording Input Buffer 2. So your command is going to sit there for one minute while the sound card fills up the rest of this buffer and the application is waiting patiently. After a minute, the application gets an interrupt and a new pair of input and output buffers. It looks in the input buffer and notices the command. It then immediately copies the first part of loop 1 into the output buffer. But nothing happens for another minute because the sound card is still playing the piece of "tape" you gave it in the last interrupt. After another minute, there is another interrupt, and the sound card finally begins playing the beginning of loop 1. The musician meanwhile is wondering why after pressing that trigger switch they don't hear anything for 2 minutes. There is nothing you can do to compensate for this without guessing when the switch is going to be pressed before it is actually pressed, or going back in time and changing the "tape" the sound card is playing. The only thing you can do is lower the input and output latencies to the point where the combined delay is so small that it is difficult for the musician to detect. Here's a simple test you can do to demonstrate this. Connect one of the output channels of the sound card to one of the input channels. Have the application output a short pulse and count the number of samples until this pulse appears at the input. It will be 2 times the ASIO buffer size plus a few extra samples for the latency introduced by the digital/analog converters on the sound card. Agreed? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 04:13:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2B143BEE4; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RPTR discoveries Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:13:47 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Two of the features I love the most about the RPTR are the time stretch capability and the pitch shift capability. Like some of you who use this device, I haven't had much luck going in to record mode when I'm time stretched really radically, example: something I recorded at 120bpm now being played back at 10bpm. I'd always get an error message and the machine would not record. Until now. Lately I have been experimenting with really short loops that I can easily morph by going in to replace mode, or using an expression pedal to vary the feedback, and I've found that when I don't tax the machine with long loops, I can go in to record mode even when time stretched. Those of you who know what a RPTR sounds like slowed all the way down, can hopefully get a sense of what I'm talking about. The already surreal sound of your music content being sloooooooooowed way down coupled will the ability to overdub or replace the material at will. Its nice to know that I'm still finding new things about the RPTR. For all of its shortcomings which have been well documented here. It is capable of some amazing sonic manipulation. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 05:58:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF17D3BEDF; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@[192.168.1.110]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5E65FB3D-7E71-4099-A9A1-6CCE40A3CB36@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:58:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: a14f0cc3-6c66-11da-a87f-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.43/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Wow. Exciting!!! I REALLY, REALLY hope it materializes. I love my Repeater and rely on it heavily, but it is just not holding up very well in public performance because of various sound quality issues. I'm ready for a replacement and have given up on waiting for my MK2 to arrive. On Dec 13, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: > I checked out the web site and this box looks really cool! I saw > that the current sample rate is 48k, while sonically that is OK, if > I was building this box I would think seriously about 44.1. This > could open up more possibilities down the road for seamless > compatibility via the ethernet connection. It seems at some point > you would be able to take things off of CD and import them into > Looperlative as loops, but more importantly if you performed a > really beautiful loop(s) on Looperlative, it seems that you could > at some point transfer that to your computer and mix and or master > from those files with out going through a quality degrading re- > sample to make it commercial CD compatible. > > Ronan Chris Murphy > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho > Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching > the art and craft of recording ) > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny > & Cher) > > > On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > >> MIDI sync is not in yet, but it is currently on the top of the >> list of software features to be added. >> >> Feedback control is in the current software and can be controlled >> from the front panel or via a foot pedal. MIDI button control of >> feedback is on the list of features to be added. >> >> Manual faders exist for each track and can be controlled via the >> front panel or a foot pedal. Automatic fading is a feature on the >> software to do list. >> >> --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:46 AM -0800 mark sottilaro >> wrote: >> >> >>> That does indeed sound like a Repeater/EDP killer! I >>> didn't see anything about it's ability to sync to a >>> MIDI clock or have variable feedback. Two "must have" >>> feature of a looper in my world. Man, if it did >>> direct to overdub... feedback control AND fade control >>> on each channel (have a loop fade while you start to >>> build another on another track) That would be sweet. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> --- Doug Cox wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Heya gang, >>>> >>>> Not that you couldn't go get this info with a bit of >>>> browsing, but I've >>>> compiled all of the things I could find here and at >>>> Bob's site into a >>>> blog post at my blog site. You're invited to come >>>> by and take a look if >>>> you want a condensed version of what we know so far. >>>> >>>> http://www.uncledig.com/blog/archives/44 >>>> >>>> I have Bob's blessing on this (thanks Bob!). >>>> >>>> There's also a chance that I'll be doing a phone >>>> interview with Bob >>>> sometime in the near future, and presenting that as >>>> an audioblog >>>> entry/podcast. Maybe even a series of interviews as >>>> the LP1 develops. >>>> No promises on that just yet - but I think we can >>>> figure something out. >>>> You're welcome to email me offlist if there are >>>> things you'd like to see >>>> addressed in an interview like that. >>>> >>>> Definitely planning some phone interviews with other >>>> loopstars from the >>>> list. I'll leave you in suspense on that one :) >>>> >>>> Also, if you snoop around, you'll see that I'm in >>>> the beta testing >>>> stages of an interesting musician's online community >>>> at the root of my >>>> domain (http://www.uncledig.com). It's just getting >>>> started, but if you >>>> read through it and like what you see, feel free to >>>> sign up and even >>>> post some of your music in the appropriate category. >>>> I'll post about >>>> this to the list again very soon, once I get all of >>>> the features fully >>>> tested and online. >>>> >>>> Loop on, loopsters. >>>> >>>> Doug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 06:07:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAEF83BED8; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:07:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mTZmHYOGJdYdDJGRWnE7/9cxvL/R0W9O9Jng6UrSy0RUHyltwO9sfI8tzFY6k4nUslJJB5fjO7YR5q/v1jJvF0KeWIs1lWoyQtInq5+GHOhFVlbiKy0W27gN4nDzWe7IpVOaZpGqAjPNTQzCzJxVnmxQtF1DW7sIwMBAq4GtJo8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:07:15 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate In-Reply-To: <5E65FB3D-7E71-4099-A9A1-6CCE40A3CB36@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@192.168.1.110> <5E65FB3D-7E71-4099-A9A1-6CCE40A3CB36@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:07:17 +0000 (UTC) By "various sound quality issues" do you mean that it's started to malfunction, or that it always had these issues? TravisH On 12/13/05, Zoe Keating wrote: > Wow. Exciting!!! I REALLY, REALLY hope it materializes. I love my > Repeater and rely on it heavily, but it is just not holding up very > well in public performance because of various sound quality issues. > I'm ready for a replacement and have given up on waiting for my MK2 > to arrive. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 07:00:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DACF3BEE0; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@192.168.1.110> <5E65FB3D-7E71-4099-A9A1-6CCE40A3CB36@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0E00A8FF-1AEB-41D7-B40E-B4F175F22761@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:00:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 588c3ab3-6c6f-11da-a87f-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.43/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:00:46 +0000 (UTC) The problems I've always had, on both my RPTRs: - Compression of the cello tone. It always sounds to me as though the upper layers of harmonics get "stripped" once it is recorded. The more layers I add, the more "squashed" and un-cello like it sounds. Sometime this is good and I like to play with it, but increasingly I want more control over my sound. What worked for small gallery shows is not working so well in large theaters. - Hiss vs Peaks. I've learnt a lot about impedence matching since starting with the Repeater, and I think I'm running the cleanest way possible. However, every way I've ever patched (and I am continually trying new routings to try to get a better sound) I am stymied by the hiss. The obvious solution, increasing the input, is dangerous because I run a serious risk of peaks (and the RPTR sounds horrible when distorted). The cello is a very dynamic instrument, I move quickly from light sounds to heavy ones and I don't like to overly compress pre-RPTR. I like to have a lot of headroom to work with. I find that I am so nervous in performance about possible peaks, that I "hold back" in my playing style and that limits me musically and expressively. - CFC ticking. A few of my pieces rely on long loops. During performance, I need to record them onto the CFC, rather than internal memory or I will quickly hit the memory limit. The CFC ticks and it ticks loudly and I find it embarassing and unprofessional. Stephen, from this list (who I had a lovely meeting with in Seattle last month where we talked all things RPTR) told me about someone in Seattle who can fix this. As soon as I get back from this tour, I intend to get that done. New audio problems that I expect are from age: - input knob crackles. - left output is lower in volume than the right. New software problem: - The RPTR gets "locked" and I cannot stop, play, record, or do anything, via midi or any amount of button pressing. Only way to get out of it is to power down. Old software problems that still bite me during performance (someone suggested this might be the FCB1010 causing my troubles. Possible. I have it on my task list to locate comparable midi controller that has he same wide, flat buttons as the FCB1010. I tried the Ground Control but I have problem using those little metal buttons while sitting at the cello) : - loops speed up when I hit multiply (occasionally) - stereo record becomes engaged on tracks 3 + 4 when I hit advance track (occasionally) Old interface problem that messes me up at least once per show: - lack of feedback as to what tracks are muted! only way to "reset" is to power down. Rather than risk a track being muted as I start the next song, I always power down between songs. Fun! On Dec 13, 2005, at 10:07 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > By "various sound quality issues" do you mean that it's started to > malfunction, or that it always had these issues? > > TravisH > > On 12/13/05, Zoe Keating wrote: > >> Wow. Exciting!!! I REALLY, REALLY hope it materializes. I love my >> Repeater and rely on it heavily, but it is just not holding up very >> well in public performance because of various sound quality issues. >> I'm ready for a replacement and have given up on waiting for my MK2 >> to arrive. >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 08:55:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 408D93BEE2; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: RPTR issues Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:55:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0E00A8FF-1AEB-41D7-B40E-B4F175F22761@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:55:04 +0000 (UTC) I suggest that your compression issue with the rptr may have as much to do with the pickup you are using as the rprtr itself. Sounds like what you are describing is the performance characteristics of piezo pickups, somewhat thin, compressed and one dimensional what kind of pickup are you using? and does it have a proper buffer preamp between it and your rptr? the CFC click you refer to can be worked around my always reformatting the card before recording directly to it. I discovered the click noise came from a cfc card that had been rerecorded over a bunch a times, try reformatting before performance and see if the tick goes away. regarding hiss and peaks, are you running the rptr in a parallel effects loop with the input mute engaged? you should be for optimal sound You have got to hit multiply on the down beat of a loop or else it will do the slow down ramp up thing, I feel your pain, but I've gotten more accurate and am having less problems. Hope that helps. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate The problems I've always had, on both my RPTRs: - Compression of the cello tone. It always sounds to me as though the upper layers of harmonics get "stripped" once it is recorded. The more layers I add, the more "squashed" and un-cello like it sounds. Sometime this is good and I like to play with it, but increasingly I want more control over my sound. What worked for small gallery shows is not working so well in large theaters. - Hiss vs Peaks. I've learnt a lot about impedence matching since starting with the Repeater, and I think I'm running the cleanest way possible. However, every way I've ever patched (and I am continually trying new routings to try to get a better sound) I am stymied by the hiss. The obvious solution, increasing the input, is dangerous because I run a serious risk of peaks (and the RPTR sounds horrible when distorted). The cello is a very dynamic instrument, I move quickly from light sounds to heavy ones and I don't like to overly compress pre-RPTR. I like to have a lot of headroom to work with. I find that I am so nervous in performance about possible peaks, that I "hold back" in my playing style and that limits me musically and expressively. - CFC ticking. A few of my pieces rely on long loops. During performance, I need to record them onto the CFC, rather than internal memory or I will quickly hit the memory limit. The CFC ticks and it ticks loudly and I find it embarassing and unprofessional. Stephen, from this list (who I had a lovely meeting with in Seattle last month where we talked all things RPTR) told me about someone in Seattle who can fix this. As soon as I get back from this tour, I intend to get that done. New audio problems that I expect are from age: - input knob crackles. - left output is lower in volume than the right. New software problem: - The RPTR gets "locked" and I cannot stop, play, record, or do anything, via midi or any amount of button pressing. Only way to get out of it is to power down. Old software problems that still bite me during performance (someone suggested this might be the FCB1010 causing my troubles. Possible. I have it on my task list to locate comparable midi controller that has he same wide, flat buttons as the FCB1010. I tried the Ground Control but I have problem using those little metal buttons while sitting at the cello) : - loops speed up when I hit multiply (occasionally) - stereo record becomes engaged on tracks 3 + 4 when I hit advance track (occasionally) Old interface problem that messes me up at least once per show: - lack of feedback as to what tracks are muted! only way to "reset" is to power down. Rather than risk a track being muted as I start the next song, I always power down between songs. Fun! On Dec 13, 2005, at 10:07 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > By "various sound quality issues" do you mean that it's started to > malfunction, or that it always had these issues? > > TravisH > > On 12/13/05, Zoe Keating wrote: > >> Wow. Exciting!!! I REALLY, REALLY hope it materializes. I love my >> Repeater and rely on it heavily, but it is just not holding up very >> well in public performance because of various sound quality issues. >> I'm ready for a replacement and have given up on waiting for my MK2 >> to arrive. >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 09:34:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21A6C3BEEE; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051214093435446.6CC4118000A7@mwinf0702.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <439FE721.1090807@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:34:25 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> <439D5C32.2010209@addcom.de> <439DC532.1080309@sun.com> <439F4B18.9070702@addcom.de> <439F54BF.3060702@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <439F54BF.3060702@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_YcfmB.A.28E.tc-nDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > Again assuming a 256 block size example, at any moment in time, > you are receiving audio that was captured 5.8ms in the past. If you > are embedding looper commands in the audio stream they will always > be delayed by 5.8ms. MIDI latency is only around 2ms, so the commands > will arrive at the looper faster using MIDI. But if the latency for audio and Midi is the same, I prefer it over something which I have to adjust to each other. The overall latency is less of a problem than the difference in latency.... > Now after waiting 5.8ms for that command to come in you start to buffer > the sample that was triggered. It still takes 5.8ms for this sample > to be heard by the musician so the perceived latency is 11.6ms. This would only be an issue if you ever want to feed audio directly from input to the output. You could just use the common zero latency monitoring of most interfaces for that or just listen to a direct signal with your mixer. As we are talking about loopers, this is definitely not an issue. All I want to hear from the looper is delayed on purpose! I never want a shorter delay than 11ms I want more, usually much more. > Embedding the command in the audio stream works very well for > recording control commands like record, overdub, insert, multiply, etc. > because it will be exactly aligned with the audio that is to be modified, > and since we are not changing what is being played the added latency > doesn't matter. But for triggering commands it makes the latency worse. But we have the choice, for looping commands we can use audio, for triggering samples we can use Midi. And if I want it really thight, I set my block size to 64 (standard for me anyway) or even 16 samples and if I restrict myself to what is possible with hardware loopers, I'll never run into performance problems... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 09:53:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D25D3BEE7; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051214095302960.EA5601FFFD23@mwinf0102.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <439FEB79.8050002@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:52:57 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> <439D5C32.2010209@addcom.de> <439DC532.1080309@sun.com> <439F4B18.9070702@addcom.de> <439F58F4.9000009@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <439F58F4.9000009@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > Oh, I can assure you output latency is a problem in a looper, for the > same reasons it is a problem in a soft-synth. You are right here. > What I've noticed is that lot of software doesn't do latency compensation > "correctly" because when you run at ASIO latencies the errors are very > difficult to hear. So there is the assumption that there is no problem. > > Stop using ASIO for a few days and use MME instead with a 200ms latency. > You will notice it. I never use Asio, I use CoreAudio on a Mac I can go down to 16 samples I/O buffer... I assume any latency below 1 ms is not an issue. Look at it in terms of time domain versus frequency domain. We have two different domains of the reception of sound. The switch between the two is around our lower frequency hearing range, 20 Hz or 50 ms. We can resolve a time structure down to this range, if the timestructure (or envelope) contains higher frequencies, we hear the same attack with a different sound. The time a real world sound needs to evolve is limited. Especially if we play them with a Speaker. Any latency within this time is irrelevant. Its about 10 ms. Thats why most people usually feel comfortable with the 256 sample latency of standard soundcard settings. Look at a kick sound in an audio editor, you can define a starting point visually, but what we should think of is: where in the waveform do I hear the beat. Its probably somwhere else... Even with zero latency we would have the same problems... Listening is interpreting sound. It involves knowledge and assumptions about the sound, and its not that difficult to fool the ear. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 10:05:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5E5D3BEF7; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAB54n0OCKYNjAQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051214095539.02859db0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:02:22 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Real-time category In-Reply-To: <20051213232750.7B0873BF15@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051213232750.7B0873BF15@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Stefan >But latency is no problem ever in a looper. honestly Stefan, Jeff is top guy on this stuff. What you say here is only correct for delay type looping. Many of us use loops in different ways twhere the latency really does make a difference. (as Jeff explains) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 11:38:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 548543BEF9; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: looperlative thoughts Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:39:06 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:38:57 +0000 (UTC) OK, before we get completely carried away, as one of the very small group of people here who've actually tried out a looperlative, I'll offer a couple of thoughts... Firstly, Bob's aim has clearly not been to just redo the EDP in stereo - the EDP is very much a product of initially Matthias' genius, and then years and years of tweaking and shaping the way that particular instrument works. It's an incredible tool, and one that, if there is to be stereo version, needs to updated by the people who had that vision. In the wider world of looping ideas/devices/concepts, the looperlative offers something wonderful. In the short time I've spent with one thus far, the programming of the MIDI controls is easier than on anything I've tried before (even for MIDI-phobes), the availability of the 8 stereo loops is almost too much - it's going to take me a while to get to grips with the expanded range of possibilities (I think I'll be mainly using the first three for quite a while, before I start to really get to know the box and use it intuitively. And, like the EDP, the looperlative reflects a lot about it's creator - I've known Bob for a few years, and of all the music product development people I've ever had dealings with (which is a LOT of people), Bob is probably the one I trust the most to get it right. Not that it's meet every last requirement of everyone on the list (sorry, there won't be a feature that allows you to midi up your eyeballs to operate the loops just by looking at foxy peoples in the audience), but that it will do what it says it does, what it set out to do, and will be incredibly well supported. It seems, from what Bob has said, that the LP1 is pretty much established in terms of what's going on with it, how the architecture will work. The one I tried (which I'll get back early next week) did everything it said it should do - the menus were easy to navigate, the audio was clean, the midi controls worked, and I was looping with it immediately. If you're looking for something to replicate the feature set of the EDP, it's not that. It may well end up incorporating some of the more esoteric EDP ideas, but I'm guessing Andre is about to switch units after spending a decade building up the facility he has with the echoplex... What I predict will happen is that a fair few people will end up with one of each - especially those who like the granular cut 'n' paste freakery of the Echoplex, but want the option to a) go stereo and b) reorder those bits and keep some stuff going while they they carry on chopping elsewhere. Oh, and the two stereo aux sends are going to be an absolute god-send for anyone who post-processes their loops. For the way I loop, and the way I think about the performance process, the LP1 is pretty much everything I've hoped for in a looper. It'll take me a while to learn it in the way I currently know the EDP, but I'm confident that I'll get there in the same way I made the jump from 2 seconds on my ART night bass to 8 seconds on my jamman, to 32 seconds on my jamman, to jamman plus DL4, to jamman plus echoplex plus DL4 to two echoplexes, to two echoplexes plus two G2 plus kaoss pad... :o) That one guy working on his own has come up with such a device is fantastic - to see it through from conception to shippable product is a remarkable feat and one that I for one am exceedingly grateful for, given the rubbishness of Gibson at doing anything sensible with the remarkable technology that they are sitting on, and the reluctance of Line 6 to ever take their looping stuff a stage further. three cheers for Bob and the Looperlative... Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 12:16:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15D9C3BEE7; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051214121613230.0592E1C00212@mwinf0109.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <43A00D07.80703@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:16:07 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@[192.168.1.110]> <003201c60046$2da470a0$e188a344@hppav> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Bob Amstadt wrote: > The electronics in the LP1 are capable of sampling rates up to 192kbps. > I have not actually run the unit at that speed, but I may experiment > with it at a later date. The big reason that I didn't run it at that > speed is that as you increase sampling rate you also increase the amount > memory required to store the audio. So, the LP1 will be hitting the > streets with a 48kbps sampling rate. Yeah I thought why the hell it has only 128 MB RAM, RAM is cheap and small nowadays, boost RAM and sampling rate... (I think 96kHz is good enough to build converters which still sound good) Or The problem with the lower sampling rates is the analog filters you would need to make it sound good. Its way more expensive to build good analog filters for 48 kHz than using a higher sample rate and using not quiet so steep filters... Well, I think it has to hit the road now, and it will be 48 kHz... But if its just a software issue, 5 minutes of stereo loops isn't that bad if there would be an option. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 15:51:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AACF3BED8; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=LVZnEYW/x5HBsYW29p8+NZS1P9uriPspQO/U9loyWa7ljSqIX4BPem9ziCKemJA7; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200512314155618390@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:56:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940bdea0bb9724081f04ee6a9a97e2d0f81350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for your feedback and advice, my friend. Someday when my ship comes in... ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: loop.pool > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Date: 12/13/2005 5:38:34 PM > Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th > > Responding to Timothy's post about glitchy EDPs. > > I love my EDP dearly and it has not crapped out on my once. > > The EDP is an amazing instrument. Nothing does anything remotely like it > and nothing really will. > > I'm sorry that Gibson has not supported it's further developement and that > apparently will be no more software upgrades. I wish it was true stereo. > I wish it supported multiple simultaneous loops and that it had better > fidelity, > but it is an amazing piece of gear and my life is amazingly enriched > musically. > > I say buy one. You'll be glad you did! > > sincerely, RIck From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 16:06:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80A203BEEE; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gRNEDlrzNBVCfTG5jV/HqhKEECQEgeJkXU+Y9va8O4tQf07ibfEve5fsyRWP318n; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200512314161141850@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: digital input for the Vortex Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:11:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9401c752472a782f93d7e17f36c8c85fbfc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of hiss and sound degradation, I was wondering if it's possible or even advisable to have a digital input installed on my Vortex so it can play even nicer with my MPX-500 and VF-1, both of which have digital ports. As it is now, I run a SPDIF cable from my VF-1 to my MPX-500, and then I do a kluge workaround by running 1/4" mono patch cords from the MPX-500's analog output jacks (which are only supposed to accept balanced XLR or balanced TRS). So far, so good---decent sound quality, but I'm nervous that I'm hurting something. My options seem to be finding some wacky XLR-male-to-1/4-mono-male adapter cords, or equally tough-to-find TRS-male-to-mono-male adapter cords. Or find someone who can alter to the Vortex to accept XLR, or TRS, or digital. Or I could stay the course and hope everything keeps working as well as it has. Could you guys and gals possibly give me clue? Yours in the VF-1 Isolator Algorithm, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Zoe Keating > To: > Date: 12/14/2005 2:00:46 AM > Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate > > The problems I've always had, on both my RPTRs: > > - Compression of the cello tone. It always sounds to me as though the > upper layers of harmonics get "stripped" once it is recorded. The > more layers I add, the more "squashed" and un-cello like it sounds. > Sometime this is good and I like to play with it, but increasingly I > want more control over my sound. What worked for small gallery shows > is not working so well in large theaters. > > - Hiss vs Peaks. I've learnt a lot about impedence matching since > starting with the Repeater, and I think I'm running the cleanest way > possible. However, every way I've ever patched (and I am continually > trying new routings to try to get a better sound) I am stymied by the > hiss. The obvious solution, increasing the input, is dangerous > because I run a serious risk of peaks (and the RPTR sounds horrible > when distorted). The cello is a very dynamic instrument, I move > quickly from light sounds to heavy ones and I don't like to overly > compress pre-RPTR. I like to have a lot of headroom to work with. I > find that I am so nervous in performance about possible peaks, that I > "hold back" in my playing style and that limits me musically and > expressively. > > - CFC ticking. A few of my pieces rely on long loops. During > performance, I need to record them onto the CFC, rather than internal > memory or I will quickly hit the memory limit. The CFC ticks and it > ticks loudly and I find it embarassing and unprofessional. Stephen, > from this list (who I had a lovely meeting with in Seattle last month > where we talked all things RPTR) told me about someone in Seattle who > can fix this. As soon as I get back from this tour, I intend to get > that done. > > New audio problems that I expect are from age: > > - input knob crackles. > - left output is lower in volume than the right. > > New software problem: > > - The RPTR gets "locked" and I cannot stop, play, record, or do > anything, via midi or any amount of button pressing. Only way to get > out of it is to power down. > > Old software problems that still bite me during performance (someone > suggested this might be the FCB1010 causing my troubles. Possible. I > have it on my task list to locate comparable midi controller that has > he same wide, flat buttons as the FCB1010. I tried the Ground Control > but I have problem using those little metal buttons while sitting at > the cello) : > > - loops speed up when I hit multiply (occasionally) > - stereo record becomes engaged on tracks 3 + 4 when I hit advance > track (occasionally) > > Old interface problem that messes me up at least once per show: > > - lack of feedback as to what tracks are muted! only way to "reset" > is to power down. Rather than risk a track being muted as I start the > next song, I always power down between songs. > > Fun! > > > On Dec 13, 2005, at 10:07 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > By "various sound quality issues" do you mean that it's started to > > malfunction, or that it always had these issues? > > > > TravisH > > > > On 12/13/05, Zoe Keating wrote: > > > >> Wow. Exciting!!! I REALLY, REALLY hope it materializes. I love my > >> Repeater and rely on it heavily, but it is just not holding up very > >> well in public performance because of various sound quality issues. > >> I'm ready for a replacement and have given up on waiting for my MK2 > >> to arrive. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 16:11:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5F3F3BEF5; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <91F5ABCE-39A2-4ED8-829A-0D69A609B5A1@zoekeating.com> Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: RPTR issues Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:11:32 -0800 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 56b733d1-6cbc-11da-a87f-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.43/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:11:57 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 14, 2005, at 12:55 AM, William Walker wrote: > I suggest that your compression issue with the rptr may have as > much to do > with the pickup you are using as the rprtr itself. Sounds like > what you are > describing is the performance characteristics of piezo pickups, > somewhat > thin, compressed and one dimensional what kind of pickup are you > using? and > does it have a proper buffer preamp between it and your rptr? Thanks for the suggestions Bill.. Pre-RPTR I use 2 condenser mics (one of them designed especially for cello) and a DTAR preamp. I perform in Rasputina with the same mics (sans RPTR) and get really great sound from them! You can hear the difference in quality in recordings from board mixes. The recording of outputs out the back of the Repeater is "flatter" and noisier than the recorded outputs from the preamp. Sometimes I wonder if it is just a bit depth thing, because the recorded output sounds different from the straight thru output. > > the CFC click you refer to can be worked around my always > reformatting the > card before recording directly to it. I discovered the click noise > came from > a cfc card that had been rerecorded over a bunch a times, try > reformatting > before performance and see if the tick goes away. > Someone from Electrix also suggested doing this. So for the last year, I've made sure to use a reformatted CFC before every show. I have a hoarded a bag of blank, SimpleTech reformatted ones always ready to go! Someone else also suggested reloading the OS every now and then to combat "bit decay" (??), so I do that on a regular basis too. > regarding hiss and peaks, are you running the rptr in a parallel > effects > loop with the input mute engaged? you should be for optimal sound > Yes, I've tried this one but don't do it because the back LEFT input of the RPTR is very noisy (more ticking - forgot to mention this). It ticks loudly when only one input is engaged, it ticks quietly when both are engaged. Stephen said that the mod to fix output ticking would also fix the input problem? Both the RPTRs do this. > You have got to hit multiply on the down beat of a loop or else it > will do > the slow down ramp up thing, I feel your pain, but I've gotten more > accurate > and am having less problems. Ah...now that is interesting. It happens to me mid-song. Often I record onto only a portion of a going loop (for example, record onto beats 4 and 5 of a 6 beat phrase, or just on and upbeat). For example, a loop is going, I'm playing a phrase on top and sample just a couple portions of that phrase mid-bar. So should I always record a full multiple of the original loop? Also, shouldn't matter I guess, but I always start my loops on an upbeat (i.e. the AND of 4). Besides feeling more logical to me, then the beginning of the downbeat sounds natural. It's like the upswing/breath that a quartet takes or a conductor gives before starting a piece. I still love those friendly blue boxes though and don't use anything else!! Sounds like I should focus on getting that mod done. Thanks much Bill! Hope to see you at loopstock next year....yers, Z > > Hope that helps. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate > > > The problems I've always had, on both my RPTRs: > > - Compression of the cello tone. It always sounds to me as though the > upper layers of harmonics get "stripped" once it is recorded. The > more layers I add, the more "squashed" and un-cello like it sounds. > Sometime this is good and I like to play with it, but increasingly I > want more control over my sound. What worked for small gallery shows > is not working so well in large theaters. > > - Hiss vs Peaks. I've learnt a lot about impedence matching since > starting with the Repeater, and I think I'm running the cleanest way > possible. However, every way I've ever patched (and I am continually > trying new routings to try to get a better sound) I am stymied by the > hiss. The obvious solution, increasing the input, is dangerous > because I run a serious risk of peaks (and the RPTR sounds horrible > when distorted). The cello is a very dynamic instrument, I move > quickly from light sounds to heavy ones and I don't like to overly > compress pre-RPTR. I like to have a lot of headroom to work with. I > find that I am so nervous in performance about possible peaks, that I > "hold back" in my playing style and that limits me musically and > expressively. > > - CFC ticking. A few of my pieces rely on long loops. During > performance, I need to record them onto the CFC, rather than internal > memory or I will quickly hit the memory limit. The CFC ticks and it > ticks loudly and I find it embarassing and unprofessional. Stephen, > from this list (who I had a lovely meeting with in Seattle last month > where we talked all things RPTR) told me about someone in Seattle who > can fix this. As soon as I get back from this tour, I intend to get > that done. > > New audio problems that I expect are from age: > > - input knob crackles. > - left output is lower in volume than the right. > > New software problem: > > - The RPTR gets "locked" and I cannot stop, play, record, or do > anything, via midi or any amount of button pressing. Only way to get > out of it is to power down. > > Old software problems that still bite me during performance (someone > suggested this might be the FCB1010 causing my troubles. Possible. I > have it on my task list to locate comparable midi controller that has > he same wide, flat buttons as the FCB1010. I tried the Ground Control > but I have problem using those little metal buttons while sitting at > the cello) : > > - loops speed up when I hit multiply (occasionally) > - stereo record becomes engaged on tracks 3 + 4 when I hit advance > track (occasionally) > > Old interface problem that messes me up at least once per show: > > - lack of feedback as to what tracks are muted! only way to "reset" > is to power down. Rather than risk a track being muted as I start the > next song, I always power down between songs. > > Fun! > > > On Dec 13, 2005, at 10:07 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > >> By "various sound quality issues" do you mean that it's started to >> malfunction, or that it always had these issues? >> >> TravisH >> >> On 12/13/05, Zoe Keating wrote: >> >> >>> Wow. Exciting!!! I REALLY, REALLY hope it materializes. I love my >>> Repeater and rely on it heavily, but it is just not holding up very >>> well in public performance because of various sound quality issues. >>> I'm ready for a replacement and have given up on waiting for my MK2 >>> to arrive. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 16:14:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D178C3BF0E; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Pm/+JKY95PP5LP4GAkjVkhOS643eJwiwEVal+TsJugPNjcTRMANrsR8jcsRugdqV; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051231416205190@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: looperlative thoughts Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:20:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9402a170da8539f193dc069c8ae6e8fe9eb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:14:49 +0000 (UTC) I'm just blown away by anyone who can create something like the Repeater or the EDP (the workhorse of the Looper's Delight gang) or this wonderful Mystery Box son to be known as Looperlative. My hat is off to all of you creators and innovators. Thw world needs more like you. Sonic Joy, Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: Steve Lawson > To: Loop List > Date: 12/14/2005 6:38:57 AM > Subject: looperlative thoughts > > OK, before we get completely carried away, as one of the very small > group of people here who've actually tried out a looperlative, I'll > offer a couple of thoughts... > > Firstly, Bob's aim has clearly not been to just redo the EDP in > stereo - the EDP is very much a product of initially Matthias' > genius, and then years and years of tweaking and shaping the way that > particular instrument works. It's an incredible tool, and one that, > if there is to be stereo version, needs to updated by the people who > had that vision. > > In the wider world of looping ideas/devices/concepts, the > looperlative offers something wonderful. In the short time I've spent > with one thus far, the programming of the MIDI controls is easier > than on anything I've tried before (even for MIDI-phobes), the > availability of the 8 stereo loops is almost too much - it's going to > take me a while to get to grips with the expanded range of > possibilities (I think I'll be mainly using the first three for quite > a while, before I start to really get to know the box and use it > intuitively. > > And, like the EDP, the looperlative reflects a lot about it's creator > - I've known Bob for a few years, and of all the music product > development people I've ever had dealings with (which is a LOT of > people), Bob is probably the one I trust the most to get it right. > Not that it's meet every last requirement of everyone on the list > (sorry, there won't be a feature that allows you to midi up your > eyeballs to operate the loops just by looking at foxy peoples in the > audience), but that it will do what it says it does, what it set out > to do, and will be incredibly well supported. > > It seems, from what Bob has said, that the LP1 is pretty much > established in terms of what's going on with it, how the architecture > will work. The one I tried (which I'll get back early next week) did > everything it said it should do - the menus were easy to navigate, > the audio was clean, the midi controls worked, and I was looping with > it immediately. > > If you're looking for something to replicate the feature set of the > EDP, it's not that. It may well end up incorporating some of the more > esoteric EDP ideas, but I'm guessing Andre is about to switch units > after spending a decade building up the facility he has with the > echoplex... What I predict will happen is that a fair few people will > end up with one of each - especially those who like the granular cut > 'n' paste freakery of the Echoplex, but want the option to a) go > stereo and b) reorder those bits and keep some stuff going while they > they carry on chopping elsewhere. > > Oh, and the two stereo aux sends are going to be an absolute god-send > for anyone who post-processes their loops. > > For the way I loop, and the way I think about the performance > process, the LP1 is pretty much everything I've hoped for in a > looper. It'll take me a while to learn it in the way I currently know > the EDP, but I'm confident that I'll get there in the same way I made > the jump from 2 seconds on my ART night bass to 8 seconds on my > jamman, to 32 seconds on my jamman, to jamman plus DL4, to jamman > plus echoplex plus DL4 to two echoplexes, to two echoplexes plus two > G2 plus kaoss pad... :o) > > That one guy working on his own has come up with such a device is > fantastic - to see it through from conception to shippable product is > a remarkable feat and one that I for one am exceedingly grateful for, > given the rubbishness of Gibson at doing anything sensible with the > remarkable technology that they are sitting on, and the reluctance of > Line 6 to ever take their looping stuff a stage further. > > three cheers for Bob and the Looperlative... > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 16:59:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D66D3BEE2; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <91F5ABCE-39A2-4ED8-829A-0D69A609B5A1@zoekeating.com> References: <91F5ABCE-39A2-4ED8-829A-0D69A609B5A1@zoekeating.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:59:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: RPTR issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:59:43 +0000 (UTC) At 8:11 AM -0800 12/14/05, Zoe Keating wrote: >On Dec 14, 2005, at 12:55 AM, William Walker wrote: >> regarding hiss and peaks, are you running the rptr in a parallel effects >>loop with the input mute engaged? you should be for optimal sound > >Yes, I've tried this one but don't do it because the back LEFT input >of the RPTR is very noisy (more ticking - forgot to mention this). >It ticks loudly when only one input is engaged, it ticks quietly >when both are engaged. Stephen said that the mod to fix output >ticking would also fix the input problem? Both the RPTRs do this. It really sounds like you need to look into some of the noise mods that have been developed for the RPTR, Zoe. The first was the power supply replacement, developed by Peter Toms at Condor Electronics up in Seattle (who may be the person your friend was referring to earlier). Just regulating cleaner power reduced the noise by a few dB's. Then, a fellow in Massachusetts developed a internal mod to reduce overall noise, with a mind toward reducing the CFC card noise specifically. From what I understand, the circuitry for the CFC (as well as the circuit for the front side guitar input) is too close physically to the output stage and produces unneeded noise. This mod disables the front panel input entirely, and buffers the CFC stage resulting in quite a reduction in unit noise. Lately, I've seen Peter Toms announce that he figured out a new mod which incorporates both his improved power supply along with similar internal modifications to the unit. This one supposedly reduces output noise by up to 25 dB(!). Finally, a well known but quick-&-easy workaround to the "CFC clicking" problem is to simply use the RPTR's digital SPDIF output which, from what I understand, bypasses the amplification stage as well as the noisy circuitry. Of course, the caveat there is that you actually have to have a mixing board or adapter to plug the digital output *into*. Good luck with getting the noise tamed. I seem to have gotten lucky with my RPTR, and don't seem to have the same level of noise you're experiencing (but there is still some noise, though). I may send my unit in to Peter for the mod anyway, just because I'm a fidelity snob. ;) --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 18:15:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 627DC3BED9; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VH5jHXjLj/l3TtoUidMMeRdfkwLxwu/R5l2z71bAihTx/bwhr78bMLoxBxoxdN9Agg4A0WmNB158iWAJQ1eX2/lXnYT844m3YdNLBgy3w1ImmNxI+53NeYqEWVyI99HNToEGffA0sllLJbUJD8tmlR4JEojjcO97JQ2SGeBmw/w= ; Message-ID: <20051214181543.47475.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:15:43 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - current info compiled To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <439F41E8.8030301@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Oh so correct. When I read, "MIDI Sync is at the top of the list" I read it like, "NASA's next mission is a manned mission to Mars." MIDI sync seems to be quite the gauntlet for looping devices. Although I understand little of the programming that goes into a device like the Repeater or EDP, MIDI sync always seems to be the thing that's the most difficult. I guess we can only wait and see. Mark --- Jeff Larson wrote: > mark sottilaro wrote: > > That does indeed sound like a Repeater/EDP > killer! > > The LP1 does indeed sound like a very promising > product. But before > we sound the death knell for the EDP we need to > consider the issue of > "software". > > There is an acronym in the world of engineering, > SMOP, which stands > for "Simple Matter Of Programming". It refers to > the tendency of > engineers to underestimate the costs of software > development and > testing when doing project planning. As in, "we'll > budget 6 months > for hardware checkout, then it's just a SMOP for the > OS". > > I'm sure Bob's a fine engineer, and I look forward > to watching the > evolution of the LP1, but do not underestimate the > difficulty of > writing and testing software for a machine such as > this, and the > complexity of the software that has been refined > over many years in > the EDP. > > From the little information that exists, the LP1 > has already begun > departing from the software architecture of the EDP > in several significant > ways, and as such, I seriously doubt the LP1 will > ever do everything > an EDP can. I'm not saying it should, it will have > unique and powerful > features of its own, but it will be different, and > these differences > will be important to some people. > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 18:24:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91DD83BED5; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,252,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="1906153297:sNHT19916452" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051214181543.47475.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051214181543.47475.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <39CDBA62-0990-42CF-BDB2-46F1026898BB@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - current info compiled Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:23:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:24:00 +0000 (UTC) We loopers are so used to getting our hearts broken. We fall in love with spec sheets, but the devices never come, or when they do they're cludgy, or they don't do what we thought they should, or their manufacturer pulls them off the market. I caved a couple of months ago and got another EDP after messing with software and watching Repeater Fiasco v. 2.0 unfold. If the Looperlative shows up and costs less than Eventide, I'll start saving for it I guess. But, I don't know, it's hard to get excited about things anymore. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 19:08:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A1F03BED6; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAK32n0OCKYNjAQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051214172807.02850b50@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:38:45 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: digital input for the Vortex Re: In-Reply-To: <20051214161158.3CA143BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051214161158.3CA143BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9cTfTB.A.-YG.72GoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:08:44 +0000 (UTC) >I was wondering if it's possible or >even advisable to have a digital input installed on my Vortex so it can >play even nicer with my MPX-500 and VF-1, both of which have digital ports. >As it is now, I run a SPDIF cable from my VF-1 to my MPX-500, and then I do >a kluge workaround by running 1/4" mono patch cords from the MPX-500's >analog output jacks (which are only supposed to accept balanced XLR or >balanced TRS). So far, so good---decent sound quality, but I'm nervous that >I'm hurting something. Surely Lexicon anticipated that this would happen sometime. Unless the MPX-500 manual forbids the use of unbalanced jacks I wouldn't worry. If it sounds good I'd use it just as it is. I don't know about a digi input for the vortex, in fact I'm not sure that the Vortex does it all in software. So maybe "no way" (Kim would be able to say) Also be aware that you're missing out on the undelayed analog dry signal by using the digi conectors. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 19:21:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1373D3BEEA; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03c101c600e4$a83ab100$d5800b3e@c3v8b8> From: "Graziano Accinni" To: Subject: graziano accinni@tiscalinet.it Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:22:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0204_01C600EC.29E6A0E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3KhaI.A.NzG.GDHoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:21:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0204_01C600EC.29E6A0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0204_01C600EC.29E6A0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0204_01C600EC.29E6A0E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 19:46:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D081E3BEF3; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:49:02 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - current info compiled Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051214181543.47475.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051214181543.47475.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Yep, I understand your thoughts exactly. I also do understand the difficulties in creating MIDI sync. Unlike other types of synchronization, MIDI is not very reliable in itself. Timing often is off and other MIDI traffic can get in the way of timely delivery of the MIDI synchronization messages. I'm not asking you to take anything on faith. When the unit is fully ready to be sold, evaluate the features at that time. This is one of the reasons that specs are sketchy right now. I don't want to make promises that I can't be 100% certain of. I am certain when the first production units hit the streets that the feature list will be attractive. --On Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:15 AM -0800 mark sottilaro wrote: > Oh so correct. When I read, "MIDI Sync is at the top > of the list" I read it like, "NASA's next mission is a > manned mission to Mars." MIDI sync seems to be quite > the gauntlet for looping devices. Although I > understand little of the programming that goes into a > device like the Repeater or EDP, MIDI sync always > seems to be the thing that's the most difficult. I > guess we can only wait and see. > > Mark > > --- Jeff Larson wrote: > >> mark sottilaro wrote: >> > That does indeed sound like a Repeater/EDP >> killer! >> >> The LP1 does indeed sound like a very promising >> product. But before >> we sound the death knell for the EDP we need to >> consider the issue of >> "software". >> >> There is an acronym in the world of engineering, >> SMOP, which stands >> for "Simple Matter Of Programming". It refers to >> the tendency of >> engineers to underestimate the costs of software >> development and >> testing when doing project planning. As in, "we'll >> budget 6 months >> for hardware checkout, then it's just a SMOP for the >> OS". >> >> I'm sure Bob's a fine engineer, and I look forward >> to watching the >> evolution of the LP1, but do not underestimate the >> difficulty of >> writing and testing software for a machine such as >> this, and the >> complexity of the software that has been refined >> over many years in >> the EDP. >> >> From the little information that exists, the LP1 >> has already begun >> departing from the software architecture of the EDP >> in several significant >> ways, and as such, I seriously doubt the LP1 will >> ever do everything >> an EDP can. I'm not saying it should, it will have >> unique and powerful >> features of its own, but it will be different, and >> these differences >> will be important to some people. >> >> Jeff >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 20:18:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F7FA3BEF8; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:58:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - current info compiled From: Craig Mitchell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC) I think this is going to be a great unit! Choice is good! I currently use two EDPs and am still getting into all the features so I don't feel limited by them at all. From what I can gather, this unit will be a bit different in concept and features but I think it's great we will have another option to choose from (especially with the talk of the EDP not being supported anymore) Once it comes out, I'll be looking closely to see if it fits my needs. Craig on 12/14/05 2:49 PM, Bob Amstadt at bob@amstadt.com wrote: > Yep, I understand your thoughts exactly. I also do understand the > difficulties in creating MIDI sync. Unlike other types of synchronization, > MIDI is not very reliable in itself. Timing often is off and other MIDI > traffic can get in the way of timely delivery of the MIDI synchronization > messages. > > I'm not asking you to take anything on faith. When the unit is fully ready > to be sold, evaluate the features at that time. This is one of the reasons > that specs are sketchy right now. I don't want to make promises that I > can't be 100% certain of. > > I am certain when the first production units hit the streets that the > feature list will be attractive. > > --On Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:15 AM -0800 mark sottilaro > wrote: > >> Oh so correct. When I read, "MIDI Sync is at the top >> of the list" I read it like, "NASA's next mission is a >> manned mission to Mars." MIDI sync seems to be quite >> the gauntlet for looping devices. Although I >> understand little of the programming that goes into a >> device like the Repeater or EDP, MIDI sync always >> seems to be the thing that's the most difficult. I >> guess we can only wait and see. >> >> Mark >> >> --- Jeff Larson wrote: >> >>> mark sottilaro wrote: >>>> That does indeed sound like a Repeater/EDP >>> killer! >>> >>> The LP1 does indeed sound like a very promising >>> product. But before >>> we sound the death knell for the EDP we need to >>> consider the issue of >>> "software". >>> >>> There is an acronym in the world of engineering, >>> SMOP, which stands >>> for "Simple Matter Of Programming". It refers to >>> the tendency of >>> engineers to underestimate the costs of software >>> development and >>> testing when doing project planning. As in, "we'll >>> budget 6 months >>> for hardware checkout, then it's just a SMOP for the >>> OS". >>> >>> I'm sure Bob's a fine engineer, and I look forward >>> to watching the >>> evolution of the LP1, but do not underestimate the >>> difficulty of >>> writing and testing software for a machine such as >>> this, and the >>> complexity of the software that has been refined >>> over many years in >>> the EDP. >>> >>> From the little information that exists, the LP1 >>> has already begun >>> departing from the software architecture of the EDP >>> in several significant >>> ways, and as such, I seriously doubt the LP1 will >>> ever do everything >>> an EDP can. I'm not saying it should, it will have >>> unique and powerful >>> features of its own, but it will be different, and >>> these differences >>> will be important to some people. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 20:21:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 821553BEFF; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <238e4e2ef307775bd2cdd0c19fd42000@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: looperlative thoughts Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:21:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:21:25 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 14, 2005, at 5:39 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: > Oh, and the two stereo aux sends are going to be an absolute god-send > for anyone who post-processes their loops. nope. what i really need is an FX loop switchable pre, post, or in the feedback path of one of the loops. the repeater offered 2 of those three. the additional outputs of this device are not immediately useful to me. are the LP1 connections still unbalanced at this stage of the process? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 20:31:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5D463BF01; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3427623.1134592265696.JavaMail.root@web18> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:31:05 -0800 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mackie Onyx Mixer w/FREE Firewire card Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Hey: I was poking around on American Musical Supply's website and came across an interesting deal. A free Firewire card with the 12 input version of the Mackie Onyx mixer. Those cards are expensive - around $500. It appears the mixers are not in stock and the deal ends 12/31/05. But, I think I'm going to pop for one. That mixer REALLY sounded sweet when I had one before. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 20:51:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C3F43BEFF; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:51:29 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Real-time category In-reply-to: <439FEB79.8050002@addcom.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A085D1.6060203@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> <439D5C32.2010209@addcom.de> <439DC532.1080309@sun.com> <439F4B18.9070702@addcom.de> <439F58F4.9000009@sun.com> <439FEB79.8050002@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Stefan Tiedje wrote: > I never use Asio, I use CoreAudio on a Mac I can go down to 16 samples > I/O buffer... I assume any latency below 1 ms is not an issue. ASIO and CoreAudio behave the same way so everything I said about ASIO applies to CoreAudio. But 16 samples! That's really good. Most people can't get anywhere near that if they're running a plugin host. If your application is stable with a 16 sample buffer size then sure, you can effectively ignore latency because the errors you are having are at the same level as calibration errors in a system that actually tries to do latency compensation. And if you are sending looper commands through the audio interface it will be faster than MIDI. But this is a very unusual situation. I doubt anyone running a commercial host like Bidule or Live with even one extra plugin like an amp modeler or reverb can use a 16 sample buffer. > The time a real world sound needs to evolve is limited. Especially if we > play them with a Speaker. Any latency within this time is irrelevant. > Its about 10 ms. Thats why most people usually feel comfortable with the > 256 sample latency of standard soundcard settings. Oh sure, I'm not arguing that even 10ms of trigger latency is a big problem, there are obviously thousands of keyboard players that think it is ok. Many can detect it, but they don't always care because they can instantly adapt their playing technique to compensate, much like switching to a patch with a slow attack. The original point was that an RTOS will be better for triggering because it can usually give you lower latency. Whether it is so much better that you can hear the difference is debatable. I honestly can't tell the difference between a 256 buffer size and a 128 buffer size for looping so I'm perfectly happy running on a non-RTOS. I do however still think it is important for any developer of audio software to do latency compensation correctly, even if the corrections are inaudible at low latencies. Not everyone can run with a 128 buffer size. If you start running the looper with a bunch of plugins like an amp modeler, reverb, digital delay, and filter you may have to use a buffer of 512 to 1024 just to avoid clicks. If the looper isn't compensating for this, it will be noticed as a misalignment of overdubs, and other audible errors depending on the features the looper supports. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 21:02:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0E843BF06; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b601c600f1$a6ad9570$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: ANNUAL NAMM LOOPERS BRUNCH Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:02:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:02:06 +0000 (UTC) I would like to suggest that we meet at NAMM on Saturday at 11 a.m. for the annual LOOPERS Brunch/Lunch. Does this sound good to everyone? We can meet in the restaurant at one of the hotels (maybe the one we met at last year, who's name eludes me as I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet). Francois LeBrun told me that he will be here all the way from Paris for that one day..............therefore we can call it the Annual INTERNATIONAL Loopers Brunch..............lol. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 21:17:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A9B73BF1B; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43A085D1.6060203@sun.com> References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> <439D5C32.2010209@addcom.de> <439DC532.1080309@sun.com> <439F4B18.9070702@addcom.de> <439F58F4.9000009@sun.com> <439FEB79.8050002@addcom.de> <43A085D1.6060203@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Real-time category Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:14:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:17:19 +0000 (UTC) On 14 dec 2005, at 21.51, Jeff Larson wrote: > ASIO and CoreAudio behave the same way so everything I said about ASIO > applies to CoreAudio. But 16 samples! That's really good. Most > people > can't get anywhere near that if they're running a plugin host. If > your > application is stable with a 16 sample buffer size then sure, you can > effectively ignore latency because the errors you are having are at > the > same level as calibration errors in a system that actually tries to do > latency compensation. And if you are sending looper commands through > the audio interface it will be faster than MIDI. > > But this is a very unusual situation. I doubt anyone running a > commercial > host like Bidule or Live with even one extra plugin like an amp > modeler > or reverb can use a 16 sample buffer. I don't have the knowledge or the interest to discuss these matters in detail, but I'd like to ad something I heard: that OS X Core Audio has a built in safety buffer. Maybe it should be "16 samples plus the built-in safety buffer"? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 21:24:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C060C3BF22; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <238e4e2ef307775bd2cdd0c19fd42000@suitandtieguy.com> References: <238e4e2ef307775bd2cdd0c19fd42000@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D496284-AF3A-4A3E-84E5-DEB4BF8223E7@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: looperlative thoughts Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:24:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:24:06 +0000 (UTC) > On Dec 14, 2005, at 5:39 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: >> Oh, and the two stereo aux sends are going to be an absolute god- >> send for anyone who post-processes their loops. > On 14 dec 2005, at 21.21, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > nope. > what i really need is an FX loop switchable pre, post, or in the > feedback path of one of the loops. And I'd rather have that digital (ADAT Tos-link?). But maybe that can be fixed via the Ethernet port in the future? Rumors say "Apple will skip out on FireWire" so maybe Ethernet for audio will grow in a near future? My application in that case would be to run a laptop along the LP1 and keep effects, action scripts by MIDI and eventual recording in that machine. Sweet dreams... ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 21:30:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FD623BF2D; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aRX4PajYP+G8hiYqPsWLG4+L3Nz1iNNMgJddLyPSoMuzU00AwOsNsGjDrF665E3Q+zX193HjklWo2ZxnuRA7xk9ctYyxq4RiN0obCjgyOX20PYktcmrwUGXVZyc+YEN+geAulT+hRX5PJ1Ig2UpwNAIJcfhHtTzSEml3AlB6UdM= ; Message-ID: <20051214213040.86226.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:30:40 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Repeater Mod To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051214205133.B87173BF15@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Bill wrote: > You have got to hit multiply on the down beat of a loop or else it will do the slow down ramp up thing, I feel your pain, but I've gotten more accurate and am having less problems. Zoe replied: > Ah...now that is interesting. It happens to me mid-song. Often I record onto only a portion of a going loop (for example, record onto beats 4 and 5 of a 6 beat phrase, or just on and upbeat). For example, a loop is going, I'm playing a phrase on top and sample just a couple portions of that phrase mid-bar. So should I always record a full multiple of the original loop?>> Zoe: I think Bill is talking about hitting the "Multiply" button, not just inserting more audio into an existing loop. It's a great discovery that Bill tells us about, though I don't think that you're referring to the same thing here. Since you're using the FCB1010, it may be that it's sending extra MIDI stuff. Or possibly that the Repeater is freaking out from the MIDI commands regardless of their pristine nature. Zoe continues: << Also, shouldn't matter I guess, but I always start my loops on an upbeat (i.e. the AND of 4). Besides feeling more logical to me, then the beginning of the downbeat sounds natural. It's like the upswing/breath that a quartet takes or a conductor gives before starting a piece.>> Ah, this is great as well. I never thought about it that way, but it makes marvelous sense to start a loop on an upbeat. I like your breath analogy. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 22:05:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C689E3BF0A; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=C1gf8gETEfy5NsLdti82fC0uhr9ymxgGHllN8wI8W8RfXbh4wQPJUddNK6OaZ7lAyqaFFY64rdRKYNcRt+itRgXNDyPqP515iFQ/+iiSXWwDHtsr1sCRotNYKzLpCX+9DR8W1BvbkcZwG4FJnlrCQ5MPewA6+l5128nH2pWe4GU= ; Message-ID: <20051214220549.65011.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:05:49 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Repeater Mod To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051214205133.B87173BF15@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <35_NmD.A.rRF.-cJoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:05:50 +0000 (UTC) A word or two about the Repeater mod that has been buzzing around this list lately. I was planning on waiting until it was released but the cat is slipping out of the bag. Peter Toms and Terry Robb of Condor Electronics have come up with this noise mod that brings the s/n from -50db to -75db. (This is totally separate from the upgraded power supply that they used to offer though currently they are not doing this due to lack of demand. It's also different from the mod that the guy in Boston is doing.) In an effort to "bring this to the people", I have been working with Peter to document the process. It is a very difficult piece of work and will tax the skills of most non-pro repair people (and probably some pros as well...) I was able to perform the mods on my Repeater, with the cushion of being able to take it in to Peter if anything went wrong. It truly is an amazing mod and I recommend it to anyone who has ANY issues with the noisiness of the Repeater. It doesn't make the CFC clicking go away altogether, though it does quiet it down a lot. In my studio environment, I can now run my signal "dry unmuted" through the Repeater with extremely little degradation of sound. I was never able to do that before and so always ran it through an aux send in my mixer and set the Repeater to "dry muted". Basically, the main issue with the Repeater is that the front panel controls (digital) share the same ground with the audio path, thus polluting the audio signal. By separating these two grounds and attaching them at different points, much of the pollution is cleaned up and the noise floor drops considerably. So where is this mod and where can I get my hands on it? It's in my computer at the moment, I'm finishing up the layout of photos with text which will then be put into a PDF and placed in the appropriate spot on the LD website. It is truly a labor of love, Kim is generously providing web space, nobody is making squat off of this and so you're just gonna have to wait a little longer :) Unlike other promises that we've heard about the Repeater, this one is finished, all the bugs have been worked out, and it's just about to be released. (No, really...) For those people who are unable to do the Repeater mod themselves, the forthcoming instructions will be easily decipherable by any competent tech or you will be able to send it directly to Condor Electronics and they will do it for $95. Speaking of Repeater promises, I have heard much behind the scenes talk about the company that purchased the Electrix line. I don't like contributing to the rumours that are floating around back and forth mainly because they tend to generate ill will. The only thing that I can say at this point is that as of this week, Electrix is still around and plans are still underway to get the Repeater and other boxes out there to the public. That doesn't mean that it will happen, only that the rumours of the company's demise are not yet true. Just the facts ma'am. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 22:06:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10E253BF24; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:07:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c600fa$d24eee50$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <43A00D07.80703@addcom.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <45gfbC.A.eZF.hdJoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:06:26 +0000 (UTC) yeah, we all want a) more RAM b) USB(2) or other NV storage interface Ah yes, and we all want a Looperlative... Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de]=20 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2005 13:16 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Bob Amstadt wrote: > The electronics in the LP1 are capable of sampling rates up to=20 > 192kbps. > I have not actually run the unit at that speed, but I may experiment=20 > with it at a later date. The big reason that I didn't run it at that=20 > speed is that as you increase sampling rate you also increase the amount=20 > memory required to store the audio. So, the LP1 will be hitting the=20 > streets with a 48kbps sampling rate. Yeah I thought why the hell it has only 128 MB RAM, RAM is cheap and=20 small nowadays, boost RAM and sampling rate... (I think 96kHz is good=20 enough to build converters which still sound good) Or The problem with the lower sampling rates is the analog filters you=20 would need to make it sound good. Its way more expensive to build good=20 analog filters for 48 kHz than using a higher sample rate and using not=20 quiet so steep filters... Well, I think it has to hit the road now, and it will be 48 kHz... But if its just a software issue, 5 minutes of stereo loops isn't that=20 bad if there would be an option. Stefan --=20 [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 22:11:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6C1B3BF30; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:11:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0DCF12B0-1E3E-436D-8977-9FD5BDD811B2@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - current info compiled Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:08:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:11:50 +0000 (UTC) Can some people who really know the following units well make a short list of the pros/cons of each unit: EDP, Repeater, Looperlative? It would help me a great deal to know, for instance, what features the Looperlative has that the EDP lacks--and vice versa. I'm very much an amateur when it comes to all of this stuff, and I almost certainly just need one looper--mostly so I can use it as a practice and/or compositional tool. I have an EDP now, which I haven't really used in any depth. But maybe the Looperlative or the Repeater (if it ever comes out) would be better for my needs. I would enjoy having the possibility of storing loops. I'd like to have firewire or usb connections to and from my computer, so I could use Live or Reason. Could I load my Live (or Reason) loops into the Looperlative, for instance and recall them easily by scrolling through presets? Any help along those lines would be appreciated. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 22:16:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 536C23BF30; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Repeater speeding up when doing multiply Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:17:40 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c600fc$32d0ef70$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <20051214213040.86226.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:16:17 +0000 (UTC) The last statement here was: " I think Bill is talking about hitting the "Multiply" button, not just inserting more audio into an existing loop. It's a great discovery that Bill tells us about, though I don't think that you're referring to the same thing here. Since you're using the FCB1010, it may be that it's sending extra MIDI stuff. Or possibly that the Repeater is freaking out from the MIDI commands regardless of their pristine nature." You might be looking at a problem similar to one where my Repeater (controlled w/ a FCB1010) would sometimes speed up or slow down when performing certain actions. No problems when operating the Repeater from the front panel. The reason: varispeed was controlled by an expression pedal. Sometimes when hitting a footswitch, the expression pedal moved ever so slightly and snapped to a new position for the varispeed effect. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 22:41:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F241D3BF34; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:41:15 +0100 From: Matthias Loibner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <379002609.20051214234115@gmx.net> To: S V G Subject: Re[2]: Repeater Mod In-Reply-To: <20051214220549.65011.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051214220549.65011.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <-t_Yg.A.xWG.i-JoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:41:38 +0000 (UTC) this sounds very promising, thanks for the work. I have got two friends using the repeater and looking for a solution to reduce the background noises. Matthias L. SVG> A word or two about the Repeater mod that has been buzzing around this list lately. I was SVG> planning on waiting until it was released but the cat is slipping out of the bag. SVG> Peter Toms and Terry Robb of Condor Electronics have come up with this noise mod that brings SVG> the s/n from -50db to -75db. (This is totally separate from the upgraded power supply that they SVG> used to offer though currently they are not doing this due to lack of demand. It's also different SVG> from the mod that the guy in Boston is doing.) In an effort to "bring this to the people", I have SVG> been working with Peter to document the process. It is a very difficult piece of work and will SVG> tax the skills of most non-pro repair people (and probably some pros as well...) I was able to SVG> perform the mods on my Repeater, with the cushion of being able to take it in to Peter if anything SVG> went wrong. It truly is an amazing mod and I recommend it to anyone who has ANY issues with the SVG> noisiness of the Repeater. It doesn't make the CFC clicking go away altogether, though it does SVG> quiet it down a lot. In my studio environment, I can now run my signal "dry unmuted" through the SVG> Repeater with extremely little degradation of sound. I was never able to do that before and so SVG> always ran it through an aux send in my mixer and set the Repeater to "dry muted". SVG> Basically, the main issue with the Repeater is that the front panel controls (digital) share SVG> the same ground with the audio path, thus polluting the audio signal. By separating these two SVG> grounds and attaching them at different points, much of the pollution is cleaned up and the noise SVG> floor drops considerably. SVG> So where is this mod and where can I get my hands on it? It's in my computer at the moment, SVG> I'm finishing up the layout of photos with text which will then be put into a PDF and placed in SVG> the appropriate spot on the LD website. It is truly a labor of love, Kim is generously providing SVG> web space, nobody is making squat off of this and so you're just gonna have to wait a little SVG> longer :) Unlike other promises that we've heard about the Repeater, this one is finished, all SVG> the bugs have been worked out, and it's just about to be released. (No, really...) SVG> For those people who are unable to do the Repeater mod themselves, the forthcoming SVG> instructions will be easily decipherable by any competent tech or you will be able to send it SVG> directly to Condor Electronics and they will do it for $95. SVG> Speaking of Repeater promises, I have heard much behind the scenes talk about the company SVG> that purchased the Electrix line. I don't like contributing to the rumours that are floating SVG> around back and forth mainly because they tend to generate ill will. The only thing that I can SVG> say at this point is that as of this week, Electrix is still around and plans are still underway SVG> to get the Repeater and other boxes out there to the public. That doesn't mean that it will SVG> happen, only that the rumours of the company's demise are not yet true. Just the facts ma'am. SVG> Stephen SVG> __________________________________________________ SVG> Do You Yahoo!? SVG> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around SVG> http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 22:50:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD06B3BF44; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pO8z0H7LWDnn5ijyHUQ0F2BNTAP3B/Y4vC9WiLr/G3VPkDjKuhM379HbktLZfL64wcn12voMdXXpeF2vFAM4bap17WJVMdO1ljkH2dftjzxlRPev93BkvJYM0is84V41E5tMvJfeAW2Vt1ZKtEadSeS/GpyyxKmeALe+stRExWk= ; Message-ID: <20051214225043.24971.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:50:43 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Repeater Mod To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051214213040.86226.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_VNPoC.A.WkG.FHKoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:50:45 +0000 (UTC) interesting, for me the "2 and" or "4 and" always felt natural to start a loop to me,lately i have problems recording on the "one" shit maybe i played cuban music for two long....;-) > Zoe continues: > << Also, shouldn't matter I guess, but I always > start my loops on an upbeat (i.e. the AND of 4). > Besides feeling more logical to me, then the > beginning of the downbeat sounds natural. It's like > the upswing/breath that a quartet takes or a > conductor gives before starting a piece.>> > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 23:05:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 177623BF4A; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A0A531.9090808@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:05:21 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Mod References: <20051214225043.24971.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051214225043.24971.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:05:24 +0000 (UTC) James Brown starts his loops... ON THE ONE, BABY! (huh!) :) Luis Angulo wrote: >interesting, for me the "2 and" or "4 and" always felt >natural to start a loop to me,lately i have problems >recording on the "one" >shit maybe i played cuban music for two long....;-) > > > > >> Zoe continues: >><< Also, shouldn't matter I guess, but I always >>start my loops on an upbeat (i.e. the AND of 4). >>Besides feeling more logical to me, then the >>beginning of the downbeat sounds natural. It's like >>the upswing/breath that a quartet takes or a >>conductor gives before starting a piece.>> >> >> >> > >www.luis-angulo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 23:46:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A5303BEF0; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010201c60108$9c761bb0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <007801c5df11$fa3a9af0$2101a8c0@alhambra> <031301c5df13$f4471900$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:46:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C600CD.EF3CC230" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.500000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3,Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 74, in=45257, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:46:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C600CD.EF3CC230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all - We have an addition to the list of available recordings from Y2K5, this = one by James Sidlo (guitar).=20 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1639414.html View all of the Y2K5 recordings here: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm Streaming file of all performances: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u Cheers, Krispen Hartung *************************************************************************= *************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar:=20 http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Descent to Self Krispen Hartung More Information / Buy =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C600CD.EF3CC230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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We have an addition to the list of = available=20 recordings from Y2K5, this one by James Sidlo (guitar).
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C600CD.EF3CC230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 14 23:54:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C2BB3BF30; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: RPTR issues Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:54:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Yes the Pete Toms power supply is noticeably quieter, though I haven't tried his internal shielding mod yet. good suggestion. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RPTR issues At 8:11 AM -0800 12/14/05, Zoe Keating wrote: >On Dec 14, 2005, at 12:55 AM, William Walker wrote: >> regarding hiss and peaks, are you running the rptr in a parallel effects >>loop with the input mute engaged? you should be for optimal sound > >Yes, I've tried this one but don't do it because the back LEFT input >of the RPTR is very noisy (more ticking - forgot to mention this). >It ticks loudly when only one input is engaged, it ticks quietly >when both are engaged. Stephen said that the mod to fix output >ticking would also fix the input problem? Both the RPTRs do this. It really sounds like you need to look into some of the noise mods that have been developed for the RPTR, Zoe. The first was the power supply replacement, developed by Peter Toms at Condor Electronics up in Seattle (who may be the person your friend was referring to earlier). Just regulating cleaner power reduced the noise by a few dB's. Then, a fellow in Massachusetts developed a internal mod to reduce overall noise, with a mind toward reducing the CFC card noise specifically. From what I understand, the circuitry for the CFC (as well as the circuit for the front side guitar input) is too close physically to the output stage and produces unneeded noise. This mod disables the front panel input entirely, and buffers the CFC stage resulting in quite a reduction in unit noise. Lately, I've seen Peter Toms announce that he figured out a new mod which incorporates both his improved power supply along with similar internal modifications to the unit. This one supposedly reduces output noise by up to 25 dB(!). Finally, a well known but quick-&-easy workaround to the "CFC clicking" problem is to simply use the RPTR's digital SPDIF output which, from what I understand, bypasses the amplification stage as well as the noisy circuitry. Of course, the caveat there is that you actually have to have a mixing board or adapter to plug the digital output *into*. Good luck with getting the noise tamed. I seem to have gotten lucky with my RPTR, and don't seem to have the same level of noise you're experiencing (but there is still some noise, though). I may send my unit in to Peter for the mod anyway, just because I'm a fidelity snob. ;) --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 00:13:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC4783BEF3; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:19:41 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate To: Message-id: <004401c6010d$3ea15180$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@[192.168.1.110]> <003201c60046$2da470a0$e188a344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Well, I'd definitely be interested in less sample/loop time to secure higher sampling rates up to 192kbps! From what I read, the Looperlative has lots of memory. I imagine heat and power consumption may become issues... Good luck with the design and coding. David P.S. As mentioned by someone else, USB 2 would be a great feature! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Amstadt" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate > The electronics in the LP1 are capable of sampling rates up to 192kbps. I > have not actually run the unit at that speed, but I may experiment with it > at a later date. The big reason that I didn't run it at that speed is that > as you increase sampling rate you also increase the amount memory required > to store the audio. So, the LP1 will be hitting the streets with a 48kbps > sampling rate. > > --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:34 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer > wrote: > > > Ronan has a point - of course, my wish would be for a higher sample rates > > in the 196K range. But at this point, I can tell that would not be a > > possibility. Hey, that can wait for the Looperlative-Killer! :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ronan Chris Murphy" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:29 PM > > Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate > > > > > >> I checked out the web site and this box looks really cool! I saw that > >> the current sample rate is 48k, while sonically that is OK, if I was > >> building this box I would think seriously about 44.1. This could open > >> up more possibilities down the road for seamless compatibility via the > >> ethernet connection. It seems at some point you would be able to take > >> things off of CD and import them into Looperlative as loops, but more > >> importantly if you performed a really beautiful loop(s) on > >> Looperlative, it seems that you could at some point transfer that to > >> your computer and mix and or master from those files with out going > >> through a quality degrading re-sample to make it commercial CD > >> compatible. > >> > >> Ronan Chris Murphy > >> www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > >> Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > >> www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the > >> art and craft of recording ) > >> www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & > >> Cher) > >> > >> > >> On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > >> > >> > MIDI sync is not in yet, but it is currently on the top of the list of > >> > software features to be added. > >> > > >> > Feedback control is in the current software and can be controlled from > >> > the front panel or via a foot pedal. MIDI button control of feedback > >> > is on the list of features to be added. > >> > > >> > Manual faders exist for each track and can be controlled via the front > >> > panel or a foot pedal. Automatic fading is a feature on the software > >> > to do list. > >> > > >> > --On Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:46 AM -0800 mark sottilaro > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> That does indeed sound like a Repeater/EDP killer! I > >> >> didn't see anything about it's ability to sync to a > >> >> MIDI clock or have variable feedback. Two "must have" > >> >> feature of a looper in my world. Man, if it did > >> >> direct to overdub... feedback control AND fade control > >> >> on each channel (have a loop fade while you start to > >> >> build another on another track) That would be sweet. > >> >> > >> >> Mark > >> >> > >> >> --- Doug Cox wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Heya gang, > >> >>> > >> >>> Not that you couldn't go get this info with a bit of > >> >>> browsing, but I've > >> >>> compiled all of the things I could find here and at > >> >>> Bob's site into a > >> >>> blog post at my blog site. You're invited to come > >> >>> by and take a look if > >> >>> you want a condensed version of what we know so far. > >> >>> > >> >>> http://www.uncledig.com/blog/archives/44 > >> >>> > >> >>> I have Bob's blessing on this (thanks Bob!). > >> >>> > >> >>> There's also a chance that I'll be doing a phone > >> >>> interview with Bob > >> >>> sometime in the near future, and presenting that as > >> >>> an audioblog > >> >>> entry/podcast. Maybe even a series of interviews as > >> >>> the LP1 develops. > >> >>> No promises on that just yet - but I think we can > >> >>> figure something out. > >> >>> You're welcome to email me offlist if there are > >> >>> things you'd like to see > >> >>> addressed in an interview like that. > >> >>> > >> >>> Definitely planning some phone interviews with other > >> >>> loopstars from the > >> >>> list. I'll leave you in suspense on that one :) > >> >>> > >> >>> Also, if you snoop around, you'll see that I'm in > >> >>> the beta testing > >> >>> stages of an interesting musician's online community > >> >>> at the root of my > >> >>> domain (http://www.uncledig.com). It's just getting > >> >>> started, but if you > >> >>> read through it and like what you see, feel free to > >> >>> sign up and even > >> >>> post some of your music in the appropriate category. > >> >>> I'll post about > >> >>> this to the list again very soon, once I get all of > >> >>> the features fully > >> >>> tested and online. > >> >>> > >> >>> Loop on, loopsters. > >> >>> > >> >>> Doug > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> __________________________________________________ > >> >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >> >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 00:16:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 303743BF10; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CtXkLnxTGVo2rpfH1NbZ4V9BKBcQT8ocDRGFw3El4zrBHBBOmep0IFaowiF4rifeB0V1QNnoH9b8Owd1kCldZJNbGXjpBXWRLbYhx0VU8Zj2/g4mQhLta2DAspEttbBwaW6r7xKwKv+RLaHDl3uTeFhdRMdUK4l0lEi2+zqqI5I= ; Message-ID: <20051215001649.21025.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:16:49 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: FS: Line6 Echo Pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <182f1ed69244b1a7f7f5cbaa7414c3bc@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1295630512-1134605809=:19908" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:16:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-1295630512-1134605809=:19908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit trade a quepee of da mersch? fruity,fluffy,soulfully piney,with a twist of sandalwood...never screened,slow cured more canada than mexico p.s (this is a parody and not to be taken internally) Suit & Tie Guy wrote: hello fellow loop operators, i have a Line6 Echo Pro here that i don't need for my new smooth jazz album (and only use for a dotted eighth delay in my live rig anyway), and a dearth of cash for christmas presents created by my recent purchase of my fourth Moog Liberation (sold the first to buy my Z1, traded the second for an Hammond Novachord, traded the third and a bunch of cash for a Minimoog, and just can't get away from it's amazingosity.) it's in great shape and has the manual and an AC cord. i can guarantee that i have only dropped it once but you'd never know, and all functions and I/O work (though i've never used the pedal connections in my life and don't feel like testing them). now where the fuck else are you going to get that kind of transaction honesty? this Echo Pro (and the previous Liberation) can be seen at: http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/stgb_gig_rig/ aural proof of its use in the infamous Suit & Tie Guy Band can be found here: http://suitandtieguy.com/sounds/01_11_2004_seminary/ stgb_01_11_2004_seminary_dub_force_rising.mp3 ... it's doing the looping you hear running through the Leslie. yeah .. that's a Liberation. my price is $420 (get it? four twenty? ha.) shipped within the US. no paypal fees. i will list it on ebay for $440 BIN with a 30 dollar shipping charge and 4% paypal fee tomorrow and get it unless one of you cool dudes or dudettes don't grab it first. but remember, don't dilly-dally ... i need to buy that Inspector Morse box set for my dad and an Alton Brown book for my sister. and a nice silver irish cross for the lady. and of course something nicer for my mom. i'm sure you understand. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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trade a quepee of da mersch?
fruity,fluffy,soulfully piney,with a twist of sandalwood...never screened,slow cured
more canada than mexico
 
 
 
p.s (this is a parody and not to be taken internally)

Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:
hello fellow loop operators,

i have a Line6 Echo Pro here that i don't need for my new smooth jazz
album (and only use for a dotted eighth delay in my live rig anyway),
and a dearth of cash for christmas presents created by my recent
purchase of my fourth Moog Liberation (sold the first to buy my Z1,
traded the second for an Hammond Novachord, traded the third and a
bunch of cash for a Minimoog, and just can't get away from it's
amazingosity.)

it's in great shape and has the manual and an AC cord. i can guarantee
that i have only dropped it once but you'd never know, and all
functions and I/O work (though i've never used the pedal connections in
my life and don't feel like testing them). now where the fuck else are
you going to get that kind of transaction honesty?

this Echo Pro (and the previous Liberation) can be seen at:
http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/stgb_gig_rig/

aural proof of its use in the infamous Suit & Tie Guy Band can be found
here:
http://suitandtieguy.com/sounds/01_11_2004_seminary/
stgb_01_11_2004_seminary_dub_force_rising.mp3 ... it's doing the
looping you hear running through the Leslie. yeah .. that's a
Liberation.

my price is $420 (get it? four twenty? ha.) shipped within the US. no
paypal fees. i will list it on ebay for $440 BIN with a 30 dollar
shipping charge and 4% paypal fee tomorrow and get it unless one of you
cool dudes or dudettes don't grab it first.

but remember, don't dilly-dally ... i need to buy that Inspector Morse
box set for my dad and an Alton Brown book for my sister. and a nice
silver irish cross for the lady. and of course something nicer for my
mom. i'm sure you understand.
---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com


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 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 00:42:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC3DC3BF05; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OfXS1E4g6BGNb0szhMTiaUbxamWGtU4A8b75yB2FqIfIuS7yrNlSTpBbyoQ2T2GwAz89HlRqvVrhS85WkImmlHjyDkfrK+RnzsnNRKjHJLRUMxppQjqiOQDldBC4XmWDa3jJEZTYSZhR105mW7cXKUVgchS/DVKqwMTKpTuogT0= ; Message-ID: <20051215004257.48013.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:42:57 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Steve Lawson masterclass, Northern California, Jan 28th To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00f301c60035$f5724050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1135724395-1134607377=:47264" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:42:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-1135724395-1134607377=:47264 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi Rick gotta say with the new gear on the horizon.one who finds themselves in the market to buy...has a lot to consider. that boss 50 thing has tweeked my intrest as does the looperlative yet both far short from the infinate possibility of whats to come. but till then... we are here "now" so live in the moment i will(well with a 1/2 second latency) anchovie, danny //visionary le scary "loop.pool" wrote: Responding to Timothy's post about glitchy EDPs. I love my EDP dearly and it has not crapped out on my once. The EDP is an amazing instrument. Nothing does anything remotely like it and nothing really will. I'm sorry that Gibson has not supported it's further developement and that apparently will be no more software upgrades. I wish it was true stereo. I wish it supported multiple simultaneous loops and that it had better fidelity, but it is an amazing piece of gear and my life is amazingly enriched musically. I say buy one. You'll be glad you did! sincerely, RIck --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --0-1135724395-1134607377=:47264 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hi Rick
gotta say with the new gear on the horizon.one who finds themselves in the market to buy...has a lot to consider.
that boss 50 thing has tweeked my intrest as does the looperlative yet both far short from the infinate possibility of whats to come.
but till then...
we are here "now" so live in the moment i will(well with a 1/2 second latency)
 
anchovie,
  danny //visionary le scary
"loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Responding to Timothy's post about glitchy EDPs.

I love my EDP dearly and it has not crapped out on my once.

The EDP is an amazing instrument. Nothing does anything remotely like it
and nothing really will.

I'm sorry that Gibson has not supported it's further developement and that
apparently will be no more software upgrades. I wish it was true stereo.
I wish it supported multiple simultaneous loops and that it had better
fidelity,
but it is an amazing piece of gear and my life is amazingly enriched
musically.

I say buy one. You'll be glad you did!

sincerely, RIck


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Shopping --0-1135724395-1134607377=:47264-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 00:50:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7BD43BF19; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <613DC28F-9733-4294-9DA2-8744CBA5EC9B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: aux sends on the looperlative Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:51:05 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <6E6dpB.A.33C.w3LoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:50:56 +0000 (UTC) > On Dec 14, 2005, at 5:39 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: > >> Oh, and the two stereo aux sends are going to be an absolute god- >> send for anyone who post-processes their loops. >> > > On 14 dec 2005, at 21.21, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > nope. > what i really need is an FX loop switchable pre, post, or in the > feedback path of one of the loops. Fair enough. I've got FX units pre and post, and can stick one on the feedback path by routing the signal from the post FX signal back into the input via the aux send on my desk. So not something I need internally. The option to route different tracks to different processing outputs - so having a chordal part disappear into a huge reverb as it fades out while a the bass line keeps going un processed and unfaded underneath, and another line is sent out to the kaoss pad or wherever opens up a whole shedload of compositional options currently unavailable to me, or I suspect, you. ;o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 01:11:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA1333BF04; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:11:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JLVYOPFyzSr8RxWQRHM1qrzSuyWMYzdd3TEnN8UrMUXXinl2m77wcC8mibiK1+Ec; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:10:46 -0800 Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) From: stanley card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010201c60108$9c761bb0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3217425047_31140_MIME_Part" X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd486938794d4d31321ec4fee09a7948be19547562a158a8cca8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.207.230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:11:54 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3217425047_31140_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hey now-anybody have the website w/ photos from this here loopin shindig? thanks staninsanfran on 12/14/05 3:46 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: Hello all - We have an addition to the list of available recordings from Y2K5, this one by James Sidlo (guitar). http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1639414.html View all of the Y2K5 recordings here: http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm Streaming file of all performances: http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u Cheers, Krispen Hartung **************************************************************************** ************ Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Descent to Self Krispen Hartung More Information / Buy --MS_Mac_OE_3217425047_31140_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)</TIT= LE> </HEAD> <BODY> hey now-anybody have the website w/ photos from this here loopin shindig?<B= R> thanks<BR> staninsanfran <BR> <BR> <BR> on 12/14/05 3:46 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Hello all -<BR> </FONT></FONT> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">We have an addition to the list of availa= ble recordings from Y2K5, this one by James Sidlo (guitar). <BR> </FONT></FONT> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1639= 414.html<BR> </FONT></FONT> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">View all of the Y2K5 recordings here: htt= p://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm<BR> </FONT></FONT> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Streaming file of all performances: http:= //www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u<BR> </FONT></FONT> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Cheers,<BR> </FONT></FONT> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Krispen Hartung<BR> </FONT></FONT> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"1"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><I>**************************************= **************************************************<BR> Krispen Hartung<BR> Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist<BR> http://www.krispenhartung.com<BR> info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603<BR> Performance Calendar: <BR> http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Hart= ung<BR> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm<BR> </I></FONT></FONT> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"1"><B>Descent to Self<BR> </B>Krispen Hartung<BR> More Information <http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-ha= rtung/Descent/index.htm>  / Buy <http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/krispen= 3> <BR> </FONT> <BR> <P ALIGN=3DCENTER> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"> <BR> </FONT></FONT> <P> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3217425047_31140_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 01:46:01 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8461C3BEF9; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b101c60119$3ffe04e0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <BFC60296.8B3%stanitarium@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:45:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AE_01C600DE.92CF59C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.300000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 411, in=183999, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <SBKAGC.A.PgE.ZrMoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/55274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:46:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AE_01C600DE.92CF59C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)I believe = the Y2K5 pictures were linked here: http://y2k5.grubmah.com/ Unfortunatley, you can't read the site with PC, but only an Apple. = Mark, were you going resolve this? You can setup a free account on = Snapfish.com and upload all of the pictuers for us to view from any = computer platform, and we can even order prints. I feel like I'm really = missing out by not seeing those pictures. They will help me remember the = event. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: stanley card=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James = Sidlo) hey now-anybody have the website w/ photos from this here loopin = shindig? thanks staninsanfran=20 on 12/14/05 3:46 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: Hello all - We have an addition to the list of available recordings from Y2K5, = this one by James Sidlo (guitar).=20 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1639414.html View all of the Y2K5 recordings here: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm Streaming file of all performances: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u Cheers, Krispen Hartung = *************************************************************************= *************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar:=20 = http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Descent to Self Krispen Hartung More Information = <http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/Descent/inde= x.htm> / Buy <http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/krispen3>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_01AE_01C600DE.92CF59C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from = James Sidlo)
I believe the Y2K5 pictures were linked = here: http://y2k5.grubmah.com/
 
Unfortunatley, you can't read the site = with =20 PC, but only an Apple. Mark, were you going resolve this? You can setup = a free=20 account on Snapfish.com and upload all of the pictuers for us to view = from any=20 computer platform, and we can even order prints. I feel like I'm really = missing=20 out by not seeing those pictures. They will help me remember the=20 event.
 
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 stanley card
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, = 2005 6:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings=20 (new addition from James Sidlo)

hey now-anybody have the website w/ photos from this = here=20 loopin shindig?
thanks
staninsanfran


on 12/14/05 = 3:46 PM,=20 Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net = wrote:

Hello all=20 -

We have an = addition to=20 the list of available recordings from Y2K5, this one by James Sidlo=20 (guitar).

http://box.net= /public/khartung/files/1639414.html

View all of the Y2K5 recordings here:=20 = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm

Streaming file of all performances:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u

Cheers,

Krispen Hartung

*********************************************************= *******************************
Krispen=20 Hartung
Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping=20 = Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 208-724-5603
Performance Calendar:=20 =
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKris= pen%20Hartung
Discography=20 - = http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm

Descent to Self
Krispen Hartung
More = Information=20 = <http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/Descent/i= ndex.htm>=20  / Buy <http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/krispen3> =




------=_NextPart_000_01AE_01C600DE.92CF59C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 02:10:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E86D3BF0E; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=O8h+c7K3hLPTjc7KM0cXxP5EPvoj2fidj6xYs5xyLpkeGPSK1vpSd+sPQ9aAtvYNzJbMLHrLGSwXEt4rMMgPzah5rOf5NqufzPYxeaqpm681a9EU4Ttyzrox5lxsC+B6QC4u+jkSd/VjRDiURj3Q9nLzqn4u7GpyBEfambwSn3o= ; Message-ID: <20051215021036.95538.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:10:36 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Repeater mod To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051215014602.424EC3BF12@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <17Nz2C.A.4TF.eCNoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:10:38 +0000 (UTC) I'll check into it. X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 480783BEE1; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Repeater speeding up when doing multiply Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:25:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000401c600fc$32d0ef70$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:25:55 +0000 (UTC) You are correct Ranier, i was refering onlt to multiply function. I have never had a problem with simply adding new loop data at an odd point in the measure causing the tempo to slow. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater speeding up when doing multiply The last statement here was: " I think Bill is talking about hitting the "Multiply" button, not just inserting more audio into an existing loop. It's a great discovery that Bill tells us about, though I don't think that you're referring to the same thing here. Since you're using the FCB1010, it may be that it's sending extra MIDI stuff. Or possibly that the Repeater is freaking out from the MIDI commands regardless of their pristine nature." You might be looking at a problem similar to one where my Repeater (controlled w/ a FCB1010) would sometimes speed up or slow down when performing certain actions. No problems when operating the Repeater from the front panel. The reason: varispeed was controlled by an expression pedal. Sometimes when hitting a footswitch, the expression pedal moved ever so slightly and snapped to a new position for the varispeed effect. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 02:28:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEB2C3BF05; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Mod Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:28:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20051214220549.65011.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Hey thanks for the info, wow the ability to not have to use the mute function and a parallel effects to tame noise, looks mighty tempting. Bill -----Original Message----- From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Mod A word or two about the Repeater mod that has been buzzing around this list lately. I was planning on waiting until it was released but the cat is slipping out of the bag. Peter Toms and Terry Robb of Condor Electronics have come up with this noise mod that brings the s/n from -50db to -75db. (This is totally separate from the upgraded power supply that they used to offer though currently they are not doing this due to lack of demand. It's also different from the mod that the guy in Boston is doing.) In an effort to "bring this to the people", I have been working with Peter to document the process. It is a very difficult piece of work and will tax the skills of most non-pro repair people (and probably some pros as well...) I was able to perform the mods on my Repeater, with the cushion of being able to take it in to Peter if anything went wrong. It truly is an amazing mod and I recommend it to anyone who has ANY issues with the noisiness of the Repeater. It doesn't make the CFC clicking go away altogether, though it does quiet it down a lot. In my studio environment, I can now run my signal "dry unmuted" through the Repeater with extremely little degradation of sound. I was never able to do that before and so always ran it through an aux send in my mixer and set the Repeater to "dry muted". Basically, the main issue with the Repeater is that the front panel controls (digital) share the same ground with the audio path, thus polluting the audio signal. By separating these two grounds and attaching them at different points, much of the pollution is cleaned up and the noise floor drops considerably. So where is this mod and where can I get my hands on it? It's in my computer at the moment, I'm finishing up the layout of photos with text which will then be put into a PDF and placed in the appropriate spot on the LD website. It is truly a labor of love, Kim is generously providing web space, nobody is making squat off of this and so you're just gonna have to wait a little longer :) Unlike other promises that we've heard about the Repeater, this one is finished, all the bugs have been worked out, and it's just about to be released. (No, really...) For those people who are unable to do the Repeater mod themselves, the forthcoming instructions will be easily decipherable by any competent tech or you will be able to send it directly to Condor Electronics and they will do it for $95. Speaking of Repeater promises, I have heard much behind the scenes talk about the company that purchased the Electrix line. I don't like contributing to the rumours that are floating around back and forth mainly because they tend to generate ill will. The only thing that I can say at this point is that as of this week, Electrix is still around and plans are still underway to get the Repeater and other boxes out there to the public. That doesn't mean that it will happen, only that the rumours of the company's demise are not yet true. Just the facts ma'am. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 02:30:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6361A3BF05; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Mod Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:30:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20051214213040.86226.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5pN1RC.A.nvF.aVNoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Thats correct,thanks Stephen, for clearing that up. Bill -----Original Message----- From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Mod Bill wrote: > You have got to hit multiply on the down beat of a loop or else it will do the slow down ramp up thing, I feel your pain, but I've gotten more accurate and am having less problems. Zoe replied: > Ah...now that is interesting. It happens to me mid-song. Often I record onto only a portion of a going loop (for example, record onto beats 4 and 5 of a 6 beat phrase, or just on and upbeat). For example, a loop is going, I'm playing a phrase on top and sample just a couple portions of that phrase mid-bar. So should I always record a full multiple of the original loop?>> Zoe: I think Bill is talking about hitting the "Multiply" button, not just inserting more audio into an existing loop. It's a great discovery that Bill tells us about, though I don't think that you're referring to the same thing here. Since you're using the FCB1010, it may be that it's sending extra MIDI stuff. Or possibly that the Repeater is freaking out from the MIDI commands regardless of their pristine nature. Zoe continues: << Also, shouldn't matter I guess, but I always start my loops on an upbeat (i.e. the AND of 4). Besides feeling more logical to me, then the beginning of the downbeat sounds natural. It's like the upswing/breath that a quartet takes or a conductor gives before starting a piece.>> Ah, this is great as well. I never thought about it that way, but it makes marvelous sense to start a loop on an upbeat. I like your breath analogy. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 04:30:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 155B53BEF4; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: ANNUAL NAMM LOOPERS BRUNCH Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:30:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00b601c600f1$a6ad9570$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:30:26 +0000 (UTC) That would be the restaurant in the Marriott. Bill -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:02 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: ANNUAL NAMM LOOPERS BRUNCH I would like to suggest that we meet at NAMM on Saturday at 11 a.m. for the annual LOOPERS Brunch/Lunch. Does this sound good to everyone? We can meet in the restaurant at one of the hotels (maybe the one we met at last year, who's name eludes me as I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet). Francois LeBrun told me that he will be here all the way from Paris for that one day..............therefore we can call it the Annual INTERNATIONAL Loopers Brunch..............lol. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 04:59:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C87203BEFF; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20051215001649.21025.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051215001649.21025.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1befbebc9335a22436f076013cdf932c@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: FS: Line6 Echo Pro Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:59:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:59:52 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:16 PM, daniel stevenson wrote: > trade a quepee of da mersch? > fruity,fluffy,soulfully piney,with a twist of sandalwood...never > screened,slow cured > more canada than mexico i'm sorry daniel but i'm afraid it has already sold and been paid for. also, if anyone can translate "quepee of da mersch" for me i'd be much obliged. thanks, --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 05:26:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3748F3BEEA; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a052uzpbZBOHoGVwQdB6XVpxDma27a2FsVWcN2hLS5nB5U4p26UPYCuWxwf86YsfgnpooPL0e6LnRT11Ku6Y0eZckD24WaX7rxcCiqwPzYHC68Ll8hq11ldv920vkAixK6ZFnP1j0XafEOOmeCfRfeS8L14J+g/aIEOrIFRctWo= ; Message-ID: <20051215052612.50561.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:26:12 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Repeater Mod To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43A0A531.9090808@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:26:13 +0000 (UTC) good god! stay on the good foot,uh! maceo!! :-) --- Doug Cox wrote: > James Brown starts his loops... > > ON THE ONE, BABY! (huh!) > > :) > > Luis Angulo wrote: > > >interesting, for me the "2 and" or "4 and" always > felt > >natural to start a loop to me,lately i have > problems > >recording on the "one" > >shit maybe i played cuban music for two long....;-) > > > > > > > > > >> Zoe continues: > >><< Also, shouldn't matter I guess, but I always > >>start my loops on an upbeat (i.e. the AND of 4). > >>Besides feeling more logical to me, then the > >>beginning of the downbeat sounds natural. It's > like > >>the upswing/breath that a quartet takes or a > >>conductor gives before starting a piece.>> > >> > >> > >> > > > >www.luis-angulo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 05:37:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0B123BF01; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QjRjr+1ixHAVKvFwXsprBcIgL29p8e3ov5AeTKTCZHkA60lOSriN35ND/EqWeIlo5sJZgTC4uZVYRlOCe0ajaHo3TBD5FeCFH7cl+6WhuXq800hlSvqzMgUr1eHiSFFeG2BMDxNqgVGsocHMAcdGEALNgM3HMMeebOulHzyLrBs= Message-ID: <1a3d18490512142137h45bb652fjd155b56f83eaa31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:37:17 -0800 From: keith jordan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1718_10693831.1134625037672" Resent-Message-ID: <275NJ.A.guD.PEQoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:37:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1718_10693831.1134625037672 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline unsubscribe ------=_Part_1718_10693831.1134625037672 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline unsubscribe ------=_Part_1718_10693831.1134625037672-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 05:42:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 237CC3BF08; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Mod Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:42:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20051215052612.50561.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:42:46 +0000 (UTC) OOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWw get it the hot tub, huh, uh, My feet a gittin wet a it make me sweat a Huh , uh Hey fellas! Should I get it the Hot Tub? I say Should i get in the hot tub? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW TOO HOT E Murphy -----Original Message----- From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Mod good god! stay on the good foot,uh! maceo!! :-) --- Doug Cox wrote: > James Brown starts his loops... > > ON THE ONE, BABY! (huh!) > > :) > > Luis Angulo wrote: > > >interesting, for me the "2 and" or "4 and" always > felt > >natural to start a loop to me,lately i have > problems > >recording on the "one" > >shit maybe i played cuban music for two long....;-) > > > > > > > > > >> Zoe continues: > >><< Also, shouldn't matter I guess, but I always > >>start my loops on an upbeat (i.e. the AND of 4). > >>Besides feeling more logical to me, then the > >>beginning of the downbeat sounds natural. It's > like > >>the upswing/breath that a quartet takes or a > >>conductor gives before starting a piece.>> > >> > >> > >> > > > >www.luis-angulo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 05:57:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA4473BEF3; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <004401c6010d$3ea15180$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@[192.168.1.110]> <003201c60046$2da470a0$e188a344@hppav> <004401c6010d$3ea15180$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <98d2bfc68a1ab8f59d4d14b92b8d01c5@venetowest.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:57:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <8XjSVC.A.aLE.bXQoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:57:47 +0000 (UTC) > Well, I'd definitely be interested in less sample/loop time to secure > higher > sampling rates up to 192kbps! From what I read, the Looperlative has > lots > of memory. I imagine heat and power consumption may become issues... I think you might be confusing straight PCM digital audio sample rates and MP3 conversion rates. The current sample rate of Looperlative is 48k (48,000 samples per second) which is already higher than a commercial CD (although I would vote for it being the same a commercial CD). This in theory should reproduce frequencies up to 24 kilohertz already. To put that into some perspective most guitar cabinets start to roll off around 8k. Ignoring for the valid arguments about bone conduction etc, its pretty safe to say that any guy that has been in a rock band for a few years do not hear much about 15k, and even those of us that have taken pretty good care of our ears do not really hear much about 20k, if even that. A sampling rate of 192k would reproduce frequencies up to about 96k, beyond what a dog could hear. as a live performance tool I would gladly take the extra time ('cuase I am one of those long droney loopers ;-) ________________ Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 08:23:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48CBD3BEF4; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.240.120] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <8D496284-AF3A-4A3E-84E5-DEB4BF8223E7@boysen.se> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looperlative thoughts Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:23:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 08:23:30.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4D247C0:01C60150] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:23:32 +0000 (UTC) has anyone given any thought to how they might control this beast? some sort of control surface seems the obvious choice...with 8 faders for track volume and maybe 8 more for feedback...some buttons to enable/disable synchronisation to the first loop etc etc the kenton control freak immediatey comes to mind - i already use one of these in my rig to control my repeater and fx units - and it would do everything neccessary to allow the user to "play" the looperlative in a live setting... anybody think of some other controllers that might do a good job? :O) sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 08:32:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A33143BEF0; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "frenchloops" To: Subject: RE : Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:32:43 +0100 Message-ID: <002301c60152$1ea95e00$fea59d53@nom69pxtzsc526> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C6015A.806DC600" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <01b101c60119$3ffe04e0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:32:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C6015A.806DC600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,=20 from what I can see, I can view the site on my PC using Firefox (5.0); I usually use IE but have installed Firefox which I use for specific cases and to test the web sites I develop. =20 cheers =20 Francois =20 -----Message d'origine----- De : Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Envoy=E9 : jeudi 15 d=E9cembre 2005 02:46 =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet : Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) I believe the Y2K5 pictures were linked here: http://y2k5.grubmah.com/ =20 Unfortunatley, you can't read the site with PC, but only an Apple. Mark, were you going resolve this? You can setup a free account on Snapfish.com and upload all of the pictuers for us to view from any computer platform, and we can even order prints. I feel like I'm really missing out by not seeing those pictures. They will help me remember the event. =20 =20 Kris =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: stanley card =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) hey now-anybody have the website w/ photos from this here loopin shindig? thanks staninsanfran=20 on 12/14/05 3:46 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: Hello all - We have an addition to the list of available recordings from Y2K5, this one by James Sidlo (guitar).=20 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1639414.html View all of the Y2K5 recordings here: http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm Streaming file of all performances: http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u Cheers, Krispen Hartung ************************************************************************ **************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar:=20 http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtu ng Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Descent to Self Krispen Hartung More Information / Buy =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C6015A.806DC600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Kris,=20
from=20 what I can see, I can view the site on my PC using = Firefox=20 (5.0);
I=20 usually use IE but have installed Firefox which I
use=20 for specific cases and to test the web sites I = develop.
 
cheers
 
Francois
 
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 15 = d=E9cembre 2005=20 02:46
=C0 :=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Objet : Re: Y2K5 = Pictures /=20 Performance Recordings (new addition from James = Sidlo)

I believe the Y2K5 pictures were = linked here: http://y2k5.grubmah.com/
 
Unfortunatley, you can't read the = site with =20 PC, but only an Apple. Mark, were you going resolve this? You can = setup a free=20 account on Snapfish.com and upload all of the pictuers for us to view = from any=20 computer platform, and we can even order prints. I feel like I'm = really=20 missing out by not seeing those pictures. They will help me remember = the=20 event.
 
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 stanley card
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, = 2005 6:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)

hey now-anybody have the website w/ photos from this = here=20 loopin shindig?
thanks
staninsanfran


on 12/14/05 = 3:46 PM,=20 Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net = wrote:

Hello all=20 -

We have = an addition=20 to the list of available recordings from Y2K5, this one by James = Sidlo=20 (guitar).

http://box.net= /public/khartung/files/1639414.html

View all of the Y2K5 recordings here:=20 = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm

Streaming file of all performances:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u

Cheers,

Krispen Hartung

*********************************************************= *******************************
Krispen=20 Hartung
Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping=20 = Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 208-724-5603
Performance Calendar:=20 =
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKris= pen%20Hartung
Discography=20 -=20 = http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm

Descent to Self
Krispen Hartung
More = Information=20 = <http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/Descent/i= ndex.htm>=20  / Buy <http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/krispen3> =


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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C6015A.806DC600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 08:41:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C21E3BF0C; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006b01c60153$68950db0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , "BERNHARD WAGNER" Subject: the FOURTH NIGHT: Bernhard Wagners' beautiful new CD reviewed Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:41:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:41:52 +0000 (UTC) I had an amazing musical week.................taking in Goth night with new DJs; seeing Nine Inch Nails rip it up at the Santa Cruz Civic; performing live looping with video accompaniement at Gavilan College's New Digital Media Center; playing acoustic traditional jazz with really good musicians in Pebble Beach. The week was full of a huge variety of really excellent music and I rented a car with a fantastic stereo to get to everything. My constant companion on those long drives to and from the gigs was the brilliant new CD by Bernhard Wagner, the talented guitarist from Zurich, Switzerland. After listening to all that music....................going out clubbing............seeing NIN rage at the Civic, I cannot get the title track to "The Fourth Night" out of my head. It's as compelling a piece of music as I've heard in a good long while and it really attests to the excellence of this first output by Bernhard that it sticks in my head so much. I've seen Bernhard play a few times now and so it was a pleasant surprise to hear him sing on (only ) the title track. He has a really nice voice and I truly hope he continues to sing on subsequent outings. I can't say enough good things about this1st track. I simply love it. "The Fourth Night" is also a perfect late night driving home CD...................and by the time you are completely lulled by the minor scales and the polyrhythmic interplay of long fading delay lines that make the record so trippy and delicious Bernhard will suddenly change up and bring really fascinating and challenging new music timbres into the mix. This is my kind of late night listening.................there are definite ambient qualities to the music but it is constantly morphing into new and unheard territory. In the center suite of tunes that run from track 3 through 6.............it is not until several minutes into the fifth track that the guitar tones suddenly add distortions and then takes a sudden left turn with glitchy replacements of the original piece. The tracks have individual names here but these three piece really read as one long piece. Track 7, "Le Menhir" takes the most chances on the record and is one of my favorite pieces. Bernhard's use of the replacement functions in the Gibson EDP is really exquisite on this piece. Challenging the ear of the listener but never completely alienating nor losing site of the melody and mood of the piece. It's really a great track. Track 8, "La Lueur" hits a loop at around 8 minutes that is what Peter Gabriel should be including in his most recent outputs (instead of what he is).................This loop would make a fantastic pop song if developed along those lines.................or maybe Gabriel should just hire Bernhard Wagner to play in his band. It would be a fitting place for this expansive and talented guitarist. That's another thing I love about this recording: There are constantly times where I could hear really good pop songs coming from loops or passages that he plays and yet the CD is not a pop record in the slightest. Right at the end of the record on Track 9, "Math Town" it suddenly changes up and gets the most funky and almost dance oriented that the whole record has to offer. It's cool piece and as a drummer, I was itching to lay down some fat groove over it. Bernhard finishes off the CD with a brief reprise of the wonderful title track....................playing the CD on continuous play I went through the whole thing twice a couple of times and it just all flowed perfectly. What's wonderful about this record is that at several points it hints at being a different project.................ambient, experimental, pop, funk............and yet, it all remains a cohesive whole. It is really rhythmic and yet, there isn't a drum set to be heard on the whole thing. It's really an impressive first outing and I can't wait to hear what Bernhard Wagner has up his sleeve for his next CD. Go out and buy this CD for yourself or a loved one for Christmas. You'll be glad you did. Rick Walker loop.pool From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 08:43:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD0A03BF05; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:42:56 +0100 Message-ID: <007a01c60153$8c5ac4b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01C6015B.EE1F2CB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <01b101c60119$3ffe04e0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYBUlVSZE9gdtyHSIOfvJNu37U6owAARjSg X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:42:17 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.103.159 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:43:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C6015B.EE1F2CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I believe the Y2K5 pictures were linked here: http://y2k5.grubmah.com/ > Unfortunatley, you can't read the site with PC, but only an Apple. I'm on WinXP and can see the site and picture slideshow without problems. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C6015B.EE1F2CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from = James Sidlo)
>I believe the Y2K5 pictures were = linked=20 here: http://y2k5.grubmah.com/ 
> Unfortunatley, you can't read the site with  PC, but only an=20 Apple.  
 
 
I'm on WinXP and can see the site and = picture=20 slideshow without problems.
 
 
-Michael
www.michaelpeters.de 
------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C6015B.EE1F2CB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 08:46:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44A9F3BF1B; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:45:53 +0100 Message-ID: <007f01c60153$f61d8180$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C6015C.57E1E980" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <01b101c60119$3ffe04e0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYBUlVSZE9gdtyHSIOfvJNu37U6owAARjSg X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:45:13 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.103.159 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <_92DRC.A.fwH.k1SoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:46:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C6015C.57E1E980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> I'm on WinXP and can see the site and picture slideshow without problems. the photographs and slideshow are beautifully done. Wonderful. Only thing is that no names are displayed and it would be so nice to see who is who. I only know some of the people. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C6015C.57E1E980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from = James Sidlo)
>> I'm on WinXP and can see = the site=20 and picture slideshow without problems.
 
the photographs and slideshow are beautifully = done.=20 Wonderful. Only thing is that no names are displayed and it would be so = nice to=20 see who is who. I only know some of the = people.
 
-Michael
www.michaelpeters.de 
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C6015C.57E1E980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 09:38:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87E323BEF4; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ebT8XsAFItZ/AqauzZ08IDS4wmy1KSnDuI8SW/s5+COGyTYRml4liiqbO+wlFq6xJsVPoi4gdjfPQd8EB1MIRAsZp8dgL1Nt4m/p36aG2qQK2aXVneFtcHArB9v9jyZwlfqOsEwiR7oM/jzOdzzC+SV6hTJUZ6Uuh/kkdsHNFWU= ; Message-ID: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051215083252.187E03BF10@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Even though higher frequencies are indeed possible with a 192K sampling rate, it also means that each waveform has more samples representing it, thus higher fidelity. I never did understand how the Nyquist theorum could claim fidelity in the upper end by only having two samples per waveform. Seems to me like you wouldn't be able to distinguish a sawtooth from a sine from a square wave if you only sampled at twice the highest frequency. Then there's the whole argument of higher frequencies not being perceived by the human ear and yet still being perceived somehow... Same with extra low frequencies. Can we hear below 20 Hz? Probably not. Can we perceive below 20 Hz? Hell yes. Stephen R.Chris Murphy wrote: The current sample rate of Looperlative is 48k (48,000 samples per second) which is already higher than a commercial CD (although I would vote for it being the same a commercial CD). This in theory should reproduce frequencies up to 24 kilohertz already. To put that into some perspective most guitar cabinets start to roll off around 8k. Ignoring for the valid arguments about bone conduction etc, its pretty safe to say that any guy that has been in a rock band for a few years do not hear much about 15k, and even those of us that have taken pretty good care of our ears do not really hear much about 20k, if even that. A sampling rate of 192k would reproduce frequencies up to about 96k, beyond what a dog could hear. as a live performance tool I would gladly take the extra time ('cause I am one of those long droney loopers ;-) ________________ Ronan Chris Murphy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 10:52:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC9383BEF3; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006301c60166$75575ef0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <01b101c60119$3ffe04e0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:58:17 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C60166.743218D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:52:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C60166.743218D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)What's = the point of putting the photos under all that java code? Even on a 4MB = line one waits too long to hang out for it, frankly. Let us know when = the photos are accessible, please! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, 15 December, 2005 01:45 AM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from = James Sidlo) I believe the Y2K5 pictures were linked here: http://y2k5.grubmah.com/ Unfortunatley, you can't read the site with PC, but only an Apple. = Mark, were you going resolve this? You can setup a free account on = Snapfish.com and upload all of the pictuers for us to view from any = computer platform, and we can even order prints. I feel like I'm really = missing out by not seeing those pictures. They will help me remember the = event. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: stanley card=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James = Sidlo) hey now-anybody have the website w/ photos from this here loopin = shindig? thanks staninsanfran=20 on 12/14/05 3:46 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: Hello all - We have an addition to the list of available recordings from Y2K5, = this one by James Sidlo (guitar).=20 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1639414.html View all of the Y2K5 recordings here: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm Streaming file of all performances: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u Cheers, Krispen Hartung = *************************************************************************= *************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar:=20 = http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Descent to Self Krispen Hartung More Information = / Buy =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C60166.743218D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from = James Sidlo)
What's the point of putting the photos under all = that java=20 code?  Even on a 4MB line one waits too long to hang out for it,=20 frankly.  Let us know when the photos are accessible, = please!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, 15 December, = 2005 01:45=20 AM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / = Performance=20 Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)

I believe the Y2K5 pictures were = linked here: http://y2k5.grubmah.com/
 
Unfortunatley, you can't read the = site with =20 PC, but only an Apple. Mark, were you going resolve this? You can = setup a free=20 account on Snapfish.com and upload all of the pictuers for us to view = from any=20 computer platform, and we can even order prints. I feel like I'm = really=20 missing out by not seeing those pictures. They will help me remember = the=20 event.
 
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 stanley card
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, = 2005 6:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)

hey now-anybody have the website w/ photos from this = here=20 loopin shindig?
thanks
staninsanfran


on 12/14/05 = 3:46 PM,=20 Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net = wrote:

Hello all=20 -

We have = an addition=20 to the list of available recordings from Y2K5, this one by James = Sidlo=20 (guitar).

http://box.net= /public/khartung/files/1639414.html

View all of the Y2K5 recordings here:=20 = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm

Streaming file of all performances:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u

Cheers,

Krispen Hartung

*********************************************************= *******************************
Krispen=20 Hartung
Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping=20 = Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 208-724-5603
Performance Calendar:=20 =
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKris= pen%20Hartung
Discography=20 -=20 = http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm

Descent to Self
Krispen Hartung
More = Information=20 = <http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/Descent/i= ndex.htm>=20  / Buy <http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/krispen3> =


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------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C60166.743218D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 11:20:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B9A63BEF7; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A151AD.10108@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:21:17 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7voVtC.A.9kD.LGVoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:20:43 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Gert Emmens of the Netherlands. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Wanderer of Time" on Groove Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Schwingungen" by Ash Ra Tempel on Ohr Records and released in 1972. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#dec All times are EST / GMT-5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 13:37:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC7643BEE2; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:38:31 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) In-reply-to: <007f01c60153$f61d8180$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01d401c6017c$d693a2d0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_yXV8taGV4wvc1A5RQ7MuGg)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0a_XU.A.M5F.QGXoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:37:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_yXV8taGV4wvc1A5RQ7MuGg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I see it fine on a PC using Netscape. Hey - what's the deal? The photos are well-lighted? You mean Y2K5 wasn't in a dark cave like Y2K4? How can you loop in daylight? don't you melt or something? And, you know, the one thing this crowd needs to get away from is it's youth- and glamour-obsessed nature. I mean, too much is too much already! Nice shots, really. Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:46 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) >> I'm on WinXP and can see the site and picture slideshow without problems. the photographs and slideshow are beautifully done. Wonderful. Only thing is that no names are displayed and it would be so nice to see who is who. I only know some of the people. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de --Boundary_(ID_yXV8taGV4wvc1A5RQ7MuGg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
I see it fine on a PC using Netscape.
 
Hey - what's the deal? The photos are well-lighted? You mean Y2K5 wasn't in a dark cave like Y2K4? How can you loop in daylight? don't you melt or something?
 
And, you know, the one thing this crowd needs to get away from is it's youth- and glamour-obsessed nature. I mean, too much is too much already!
 
Nice shots, really.
 
Best wishes,
Warren Sirota
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:46 AM
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: RE: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)

>> I'm on WinXP and can see the site and picture slideshow without problems.
 
the photographs and slideshow are beautifully done. Wonderful. Only thing is that no names are displayed and it would be so nice to see who is who. I only know some of the people.
 
-Michael
--Boundary_(ID_yXV8taGV4wvc1A5RQ7MuGg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 13:41:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6263B3BEE7; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=dHAarfxbxki0V9QpfCUcTV/n6QOUYt14dDwGb/mJf2PyYbyHJGirlTKzqEvyycBHuwkaMBvQSJB+IezUTBXmppH6myH/cYbqVjjk/t9W4mpd9oiRs1O+UV7IzQZCPdTcDr1K2WW7nkZs1L6h0RaGEiOiHvOA+xxtOHybJBEqLYM= ; Message-ID: <011f01c6017d$3e3f8d90$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:41:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:41:27 +0000 (UTC) The way I understand this is that with 2 points you can find the "sine equation" at this limit frequency. As you don't hear the harmonics, it doesn't matter if its a sine, a square or a saw, you just hear the first harmonic anyway. I guess it's a bit simplist but ... Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "S V G" To: Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate > > Even though higher frequencies are indeed possible with a 192K > sampling rate, it also means > that each waveform has more samples representing it, thus higher fidelity. > I never did understand > how the Nyquist theorum could claim fidelity in the upper end by only > having two samples per > waveform. Seems to me like you wouldn't be able to distinguish a sawtooth > from a sine from a > square wave if you only sampled at twice the highest frequency. > > Then there's the whole argument of higher frequencies not being > perceived by the human ear > and yet still being perceived somehow... Same with extra low frequencies. > Can we hear below 20 > Hz? Probably not. Can we perceive below 20 Hz? Hell yes. > > Stephen > > > R.Chris Murphy wrote: > The current sample rate of Looperlative is > 48k (48,000 samples per second) which is already higher than a > commercial CD (although I would vote for it being the same a commercial > CD). This in theory should reproduce frequencies up to 24 kilohertz > already. To put that into some perspective most guitar cabinets start > to roll off around 8k. Ignoring for the valid arguments about bone > conduction etc, its pretty safe to say that any guy that has been in a > rock band for a few years do not hear much about 15k, and even those of > us that have taken pretty good care of our ears do not really hear much > about 20k, if even that. > > A sampling rate of 192k would reproduce frequencies up to about 96k, > beyond what a dog could hear. as a live performance tool I would gladly > take the extra time ('cause I am one of those long droney loopers ;-) > > ________________ > Ronan Chris Murphy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 14:49:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2019B3BEEE; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,257,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="184818991:sNHT28974056" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:32:14 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Reminder + Globe listing/photo Video Performance -- Immersions --12.17.05 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Check out listing and Photo in today's Globe Calendar section. The next Immersions event will occur on Saturday, Dec. 17 at 8:PM, at Artists at Large, which is at the First Congregational Church, 6 Webster Street at the intersection of Webster and River in Hyde Park. "Immersions" is a monthly genre-crossing intermedia improvisation series built around the core of Doctor T (Video) of Doctor T (Video), Dean Stiglitz (ElectroFlute and Electronics) and Ramona Herboldsheimer.The performance is a dialog between music and imagery, with the performers in each medium reacting to the other. We will be joined by guest artist's Bob McCloskey on reeds and percussion, and, for the second set, Glynnis (DragonWoman) Loman on cello. Last month's immersions was sparkling, with a spacy first set by Dean, Ramona, and Dr. T, and Glynnis Loman breathing cello fire on us for the second set. Phone 617-276-3223. Directions http://artistsatlargeinc.org/directions.html -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 15:10:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC6913BEEE; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MiqL9nMP4DxjKG+GHdyGYaWHR72HnEey5zw10fNkAxqsHEFmsKoJWOsUmM8SIE50ZLwcHBL62xdXhxlIDZ26vhHh+xTM2Cn+2qb8jRd6Rgy2q84b45N3g5PNi8qu3sc9B79tS4Bzs4WiQmtIaxOMi/tbO7UJMu1hxiWCn9sJQCE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:10:01 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looperlative thoughts In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <8D496284-AF3A-4A3E-84E5-DEB4BF8223E7@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Wouldn't you still need a MIDI foot controller for the basic record/overdub/features? TravisH On 12/15/05, simeon harris wrote: > has anyone given any thought to how they might control this beast? some s= ort > of control surface seems the obvious choice...with 8 faders for track vol= ume > and maybe 8 more for feedback...some buttons to enable/disable > synchronisation to the first loop etc etc > > the kenton control freak immediatey comes to mind - i already use one of > these in my rig to control my repeater and fx units - and it would do > everything neccessary to allow the user to "play" the looperlative in a l= ive > setting... > > anybody think of some other controllers that might do a good job? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 15:44:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7A2E3BED3; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <2a3.20e80de.30d2e93e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:43:58 EST Subject: Re: James Sidlo's Y2K5 Performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2a3.20e80de.30d2e93e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <5biMrB.A.MDB.B9YoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:44:01 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2a3.20e80de.30d2e93e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Way to go James! I'm listening to it now (it's almost done) and I really like it. We really must do something together sometime. So far I've liked everything 've ever heard you do. Thanks for lettin 'em post this on the web. Keep it up. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_2a3.20e80de.30d2e93e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Way to go James!

I'm listening to it now (it's almost done) and I really like it.
We really must do something together sometime. So far
I've liked everything 've ever heard you do. Thanks for
lettin 'em post this on the web. Keep it up.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_2a3.20e80de.30d2e93e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 15:53:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95F5A3BEE4; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=gv1waKsi5CW/JajnqZrFidGJdk4Hnh71FVIgCi8n9/gZNhybY9AR8LyuvtIIIZfP9HPLjUkjx6sHyP9dIG5UqoBaf8rNu6u0LAz+dNFyzcl945lw+Js7u4axCAqLxC1Xr0ZxpV2ytlxplGjK8+GjlfvZY+eW3/2r0ahy12TsDb4= Message-ID: <26ba8d120512150753w4305fcd3k8eb8e05846fd305b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:53:22 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: two bits of news, one loopy and one not. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:53:23 +0000 (UTC) [loopy] I hope that you will be happy to hear that I'm buying into a gallery in Williamsburg, Brooklyn and thus the open loop sessions will be restarting as a regular show, every two weeks, starting in the New Year. [non-loopy] You might be wondering what I've been doing with almost all my time for the last few months... it turns out that I've been working on Google Music Search which just launched a couple of hours ago (with a few heart-stopping hitches at the last minute...) http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=3D/2005/12/15/business/200512= 15140522&sec=3Dbusiness eg: http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dbutthole+surfers&start=3D0&ie=3Dutf-8&oe= =3Dutf-8&client=3Dfirefox-a&rls=3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official http://www.google.com/search?hs=3D3Um&hl=3Den&lr=3D&client=3Dfirefox-a&rls= =3Dorg.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=3Dthe+orb&btnG=3DSearch Please note that I only came in in the last couple of months on this -- someone else has been brewing this for a lot longer. Still, I am proud and happy to be involved with it. -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 16:01:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57A7E3BEF6; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00b601c600f1$a6ad9570$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00b601c600f1$a6ad9570$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3BBC0856-49AA-4C61-911C-7443CCCC1D8C@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: new guy intro Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:01:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <3CcQxD.A.zBC.iNZoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Hello All - Long time looper, first time poster. I joined this list a few days ago hoping it was still intact and I have been amazed at the amount of activity and quality dialogue. It's like in the blind melon video when the little girl in the bee suit finds all the people dancing in bee suits in the field. Well, sort of. I apologize if you are on the Max/MSP list too, because i just gave my little intro speech there moments ago. I am trying to transition myself from hermetic soldering musician to hermetic soldering musician with some sense of community. So I am getting on all these lists that I should have joined years ago. These are the things I do - my music - http://www.theoverclock.com my hobby job - http://www.rocknrollmachines.com me and my friends - http://nyconduit.com my job - http://www.native-instruments.com I have been using reaktor and fm7 embedded inside Max/MSP for awhile to do my looping business, but recently with the addition of some new home made midi controllers i found it smoother and more fun to rebuild the entire system in Max/MSP without the vst parasites. So far so good. I have a lot of work to do to smooth out the process and add features but hopefully sometime soon I can upload a stand-alone app of my looping system for others to play with. In other news - I have been getting down and dirty with the building of custom midi controllers, thanks to the Midibox architecture and (my favorite) the MidiTron from eric singer. So if anyone likes the idea of having a custom midi control, but doesn't like the idea of making it themselves give me a holler. back to the loop - b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 16:25:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 133813BEE2; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003f01c60194$1638b300$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <007a01c60153$8c5ac4b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:24:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C60159.69088140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 412, in=184307, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:25:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C60159.69088140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)This is = not intuitive to me...how do I do this Michael? I can't even access the = site to be able to view anything in picture slideshow.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from = James Sidlo) >I believe the Y2K5 pictures were linked here: = http://y2k5.grubmah.com/=20 > Unfortunatley, you can't read the site with PC, but only an Apple. = I'm on WinXP and can see the site and picture slideshow without = problems. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C60159.69088140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from = James Sidlo)
This is not intuitive to me...how do I = do this=20 Michael?  I can't even access the site to be able to view anything = in=20 picture slideshow.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael = Peters
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Thursday, December 15, = 2005 1:42=20 AM
Subject: RE: Y2K5 Pictures / = Performance=20 Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)

>I believe the Y2K5 pictures were = linked=20 here: http://y2k5.grubmah.com/ 
> Unfortunatley, you can't read the site with  PC, but only an=20 Apple.  
 
 
I'm on WinXP and can see the site and = picture=20 slideshow without problems.
 
 
-Michael
www.michaelpeters.de 
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C60159.69088140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 16:25:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C274B3BF04; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005101c60194$3a093f70$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <01b101c60119$3ffe04e0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006301c60166$75575ef0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:25:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C60159.8CDDC8A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 410, in=179776, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:25:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C60159.8CDDC8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)Heck, if = I can get to the pictures and download them, I'll post them on Snapfish = for all. Kros ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:58 AM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from = James Sidlo) What's the point of putting the photos under all that java code? Even = on a 4MB line one waits too long to hang out for it, frankly. Let us = know when the photos are accessible, please! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, 15 December, 2005 01:45 AM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition = from James Sidlo) I believe the Y2K5 pictures were linked here: = http://y2k5.grubmah.com/ Unfortunatley, you can't read the site with PC, but only an Apple. = Mark, were you going resolve this? You can setup a free account on = Snapfish.com and upload all of the pictuers for us to view from any = computer platform, and we can even order prints. I feel like I'm really = missing out by not seeing those pictures. They will help me remember the = event. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: stanley card=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James = Sidlo) hey now-anybody have the website w/ photos from this here loopin = shindig? thanks staninsanfran=20 on 12/14/05 3:46 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: Hello all - We have an addition to the list of available recordings from = Y2K5, this one by James Sidlo (guitar).=20 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1639414.html View all of the Y2K5 recordings here: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm Streaming file of all performances: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u Cheers, Krispen Hartung = *************************************************************************= *************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar:=20 = http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Descent to Self Krispen Hartung More Information = / Buy =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C60159.8CDDC8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from = James Sidlo)
Heck, if I can get to the pictures and = download=20 them, I'll post them on Snapfish for all.
 
Kros
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stephen Goodman
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, December 15, = 2005 3:58=20 AM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / = Performance=20 Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)

What's the point of putting the photos under all = that java=20 code?  Even on a 4MB line one waits too long to hang out for it,=20 frankly.  Let us know when the photos are accessible,=20 please!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, 15 December, = 2005 01:45=20 AM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures /=20 Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)

I believe the Y2K5 pictures were = linked here:=20 http://y2k5.grubmah.com/
 
Unfortunatley, you can't read the = site=20 with  PC, but only an Apple. Mark, were you going resolve this? = You can=20 setup a free account on Snapfish.com and upload all of the pictuers = for us=20 to view from any computer platform, and we can even order prints. I = feel=20 like I'm really missing out by not seeing those pictures. They will = help me=20 remember the event.
 
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 stanley card
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December = 14, 2005=20 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 = Performance=20 Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)

hey now-anybody have the website w/ photos from = this here=20 loopin shindig?
thanks
staninsanfran


on 12/14/05 = 3:46=20 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net=20 wrote:

Hello all=20 -

We have = an addition=20 to the list of available recordings from Y2K5, this one by James = Sidlo=20 (guitar).

http://box.net= /public/khartung/files/1639414.html

View all of the Y2K5 recordings = here:=20 = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm

Streaming file of all performances:=20 = http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u

Cheers,

Krispen Hartung

*********************************************************= *******************************
Krispen=20 Hartung
Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping=20 = Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 208-724-5603
Performance Calendar:=20 =
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKris= pen%20Hartung
Discography=20 -=20 = http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm

Descent to Self
Krispen Hartung
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------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C60159.8CDDC8A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 16:54:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3A343BED5; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: two bits of news, one loopy and one not. Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:53:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c60198$1fe0c9c0$0401000a@domain.tecsystem.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120512150753w4305fcd3k8eb8e05846fd305b@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:54:31 +0000 (UTC) That's really great. -- Sarth -----Original Message----- From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf = Of Tom Ritchford Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: two bits of news, one loopy and one not. [loopy] I hope that you will be happy to hear that I'm buying into a gallery in Williamsburg, Brooklyn and thus the open loop sessions will be restarting as a regular show, every two weeks, starting in the New Year. [non-loopy] You might be wondering what I've been doing with almost all my time for the last few months... it turns out that I've been working on Google Music Search which just launched a couple of hours ago (with a few heart-stopping hitches at the last minute...) http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=3D/2005/12/15/business/2005= 12151 40522&sec=3Dbusiness eg: http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dbutthole+surfers&start=3D0&ie=3Dutf-8&oe= =3Dutf-8&cl ient=3Dfirefox-a&rls=3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official http://www.google.com/search?hs=3D3Um&hl=3Den&lr=3D&client=3Dfirefox-a&rl= s=3Dorg.mozil la%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=3Dthe+orb&btnG=3DSearch Please note that I only came in in the last couple of months on this -- someone else has been brewing this for a lot longer. Still, I am proud and happy to be involved with it. -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 17:02:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF5293BEDD; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:02:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: looperlative thoughts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:02:39 +0000 (UTC) At 8:23 AM +0000 12/15/05, simeon harris wrote: > >anybody think of some other controllers that might do a good job? Well, I agree with Travis' assessment that the normal cast of foot controllers (Behringer FCB, Digitech PMC-10, etc.) ought to be considered first. Looking beyond that, I'm thinking the Faderfox LV-1 ( http://www.faderfox.de ) would make a nice compact desktop control unit -- eight faders, plus plenty of knobs & switches, crossfader, joystick controller, etc. Also, the companion button unit -- the LX-1 -- might complement the original LV nicely for pre-programmed switch presses (assuming you can't already do that with your feet). --m. -- _______ "The revolution may be someone somewhere else..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 17:04:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFE293BEF7; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JaeWqNf6jgj4bDTBsGZF0pedvy3v3cVH+gsROaqduROv21h9ornCmEqz8vUgBojJ; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051241517107520@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex, digital connections, Trower flange Re: digital input for the Vortex Re: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:10:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940c4e5626773b037bcc9cef64a07f9c6be350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.167 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:04:48 +0000 (UTC) "Also be aware that you're missing out on the undelayed analog dry signal by using the digi conectors." Hmmm... Andy, I know that you are THE MAN when it comes to all things Vortex, and I am very grateful for your insights, but I am not sure I understand that bit about dry signal: neither the VF-1 or MPX-500 manuals have any warning that using the digital connectors will rob me of dry signal, and my VF-1/MPX-500/Vortex setup sounds good whether it's hooked up analog or digital. With the digital hookup, I don't hear anything missing. It's VERY possible that I misunderstood you and am totally missing the point ;-) The main benefit I get from going digital from the VF-1 to the MPX-500 is that I no longer have to do the nerve-wracking push-pull-wiggle excercise to get the mono plugs into the TRS input jacks. (I still have to use the analog outputs regardless.) Another big benefit I get from a digital VF-1/MPX connection is that I no longer have to put up with staticy arcing sounds and a flickering display window like I did when I had to "schmelvin" the mono plugs into the TRS inputs. All Confused, Tim P.S.--Can the Vortex be persuaded to generate an MXR-style classic-rock non-swoosh flange a la Killing Joke's "A Love Like Blood" or Trower's "Day of the Eagle"? Or Frank Marino circa 1977? I cannot get anything close to this sound on my VF-1 or my MPX-500, lovely as they are. > [Original Message] > From: a k butler > To: > Date: 12/14/2005 2:08:44 PM > Subject: Re: digital input for the Vortex Re: > > > >I was wondering if it's possible or > >even advisable to have a digital input installed on my Vortex so it can > >play even nicer with my MPX-500 and VF-1, both of which have digital ports. > >As it is now, I run a SPDIF cable from my VF-1 to my MPX-500, and then I do > >a kluge workaround by running 1/4" mono patch cords from the MPX-500's > >analog output jacks (which are only supposed to accept balanced XLR or > >balanced TRS). So far, so good---decent sound quality, but I'm nervous that > >I'm hurting something. > > Surely Lexicon anticipated that this would happen sometime. > Unless the MPX-500 manual forbids the use of unbalanced jacks I > wouldn't worry. > If it sounds good I'd use it just as it is. > > I don't know about a digi input for the vortex, > in fact I'm not sure that the Vortex does it all in software. > So maybe "no way" > (Kim would be able to say) > > Also be aware that you're missing out on the undelayed analog dry > signal by using the digi conectors. > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 17:23:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D68683BEDE; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1134666783.43a1a41fa7f9a@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:13:03 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Kris Hartung Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) References: <01b101c60119$3ffe04e0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006301c60166$75575ef0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <005101c60194$3a093f70$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <005101c60194$3a093f70$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 207.20.3.10 Resent-Message-ID: <-ZuirB.A.vEE.1ZaoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:23:01 +0000 (UTC) The slideshow does not work in IE, I believe... But, looking at the page source, the images can be found directly with: http://y2k5.grubmah.com/img/1.jpg http://y2k5.grubmah.com/img/2.jpg etc http://y2k5.grubmah.com/img/31.jpg Quoting Kris Hartung : > Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)Heck, if I can > get to the pictures and download them, I'll post them on Snapfish for all. > > Kros > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Goodman > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:58 AM > Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from > James Sidlo) > > > What's the point of putting the photos under all that java code? Even on a > 4MB line one waits too long to hang out for it, frankly. Let us know when > the photos are accessible, please! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kris Hartung > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, 15 December, 2005 01:45 AM > Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from > James Sidlo) > > > I believe the Y2K5 pictures were linked here: http://y2k5.grubmah.com/ > > Unfortunatley, you can't read the site with PC, but only an Apple. Mark, > were you going resolve this? You can setup a free account on Snapfish.com and > upload all of the pictuers for us to view from any computer platform, and we > can even order prints. I feel like I'm really missing out by not seeing those > pictures. They will help me remember the event. > > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stanley card > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James > Sidlo) > > > hey now-anybody have the website w/ photos from this here loopin > shindig? > thanks > staninsanfran > > > on 12/14/05 3:46 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: > > > Hello all - > > We have an addition to the list of available recordings from Y2K5, > this one by James Sidlo (guitar). > > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1639414.html > > View all of the Y2K5 recordings here: > http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm > > Streaming file of all performances: > http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u > > Cheers, > > Krispen Hartung > > > **************************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Performance Calendar: > > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > > Descent to Self > Krispen Hartung > More Information > > / Buy > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 17:28:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BA133BEFB; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XJ4bQurtTW7cSdK76NoQ4McPhw1i6oI2G9tbGopDLvltUH0rW7XhLAXhWtIX9qIM; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200512415173353450@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: custom power supplies: feasibility RE: RPTR issues Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:33:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940989d370d2c0849c6947ba35af2dcc2b5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.167 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Do you guys think this Pete Toms fellow could do something like this: make a power supply to replace the two 4-pound AC wallwarts for the Vortex (complete with its oddball connector) and the VF-1? (I'd love to use my lightweight-but-powerful Godlyke Powerall, but no dice! 14 volts AC indeed! It's like a car maker building a vehicle that can only run on the musk of the tree-dwelling elephant ;-) My needs are simple: 3 outputs (9VAC, 1000 mA; 14VAC, 1000mA; and a standard, ordinary 9VDC of around 800mA or so just in case). Always interested in shaving off a few pounds, either from my equipment or myself, Tim > [Original Message] > From: William Walker > To: > Date: 12/14/2005 6:54:05 PM > Subject: RE: RPTR issues > > Yes the Pete Toms power supply is noticeably quieter, though I haven't tried > his internal shielding mod yet. good suggestion. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:00 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: RPTR issues > > > At 8:11 AM -0800 12/14/05, Zoe Keating wrote: > >On Dec 14, 2005, at 12:55 AM, William Walker wrote: > >> regarding hiss and peaks, are you running the rptr in a parallel effects > >>loop with the input mute engaged? you should be for optimal sound > > > >Yes, I've tried this one but don't do it because the back LEFT input > >of the RPTR is very noisy (more ticking - forgot to mention this). > >It ticks loudly when only one input is engaged, it ticks quietly > >when both are engaged. Stephen said that the mod to fix output > >ticking would also fix the input problem? Both the RPTRs do this. > > It really sounds like you need to look into some of the noise mods > that have been developed for the RPTR, Zoe. > > The first was the power supply replacement, developed by Peter Toms > at Condor Electronics up in Seattle (who may be the person your > friend was referring to earlier). Just regulating cleaner power > reduced the noise by a few dB's. > > Then, a fellow in Massachusetts developed a internal mod to reduce > overall noise, with a mind toward reducing the CFC card noise > specifically. From what I understand, the circuitry for the CFC (as > well as the circuit for the front side guitar input) is too close > physically to the output stage and produces unneeded noise. This mod > disables the front panel input entirely, and buffers the CFC stage > resulting in quite a reduction in unit noise. > > Lately, I've seen Peter Toms announce that he figured out a new mod > which incorporates both his improved power supply along with similar > internal modifications to the unit. This one supposedly reduces > output noise by up to 25 dB(!). > > Finally, a well known but quick-&-easy workaround to the "CFC > clicking" problem is to simply use the RPTR's digital SPDIF output > which, from what I understand, bypasses the amplification stage as > well as the noisy circuitry. Of course, the caveat there is that you > actually have to have a mixing board or adapter to plug the digital > output *into*. > > Good luck with getting the noise tamed. I seem to have gotten lucky > with my RPTR, and don't seem to have the same level of noise you're > experiencing (but there is still some noise, though). I may send my > unit in to Peter for the mod anyway, just because I'm a fidelity > snob. ;) > > --m. > > -- > _______ > "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 17:36:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB6C33BEF7; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OGKbNcmROldpJM65bAEV/yG3ujg9ovH3lKpv3BYRZKIuihT0UyFsuVomwEfSJe6K; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200512415174151350@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Walter Sear Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:41:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403a5b03660a1536c00ca066743d6ffddf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.167 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:36:32 +0000 (UTC) As the great engineer Walter Sear says: "people's hearing cuts off at 20K...ride the subway? 15K" (This has been a paraphrase, albeit a faithful one ;-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Ronan Chris Murphy > To: > Date: 12/15/2005 12:57:47 AM > Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate > > > > Well, I'd definitely be interested in less sample/loop time to secure > > higher > > sampling rates up to 192kbps! From what I read, the Looperlative has > > lots > > of memory. I imagine heat and power consumption may become issues... > > I think you might be confusing straight PCM digital audio sample rates > and MP3 conversion rates. The current sample rate of Looperlative is > 48k (48,000 samples per second) which is already higher than a > commercial CD (although I would vote for it being the same a commercial > CD). This in theory should reproduce frequencies up to 24 kilohertz > already. To put that into some perspective most guitar cabinets start > to roll off around 8k. Ignoring for the valid arguments about bone > conduction etc, its pretty safe to say that any guy that has been in a > rock band for a few years do not hear much about 15k, and even those of > us that have taken pretty good care of our ears do not really hear much > about 20k, if even that. > > A sampling rate of 192k would reproduce frequencies up to about 96k, > beyond what a dog could hear. as a live performance tool I would gladly > take the extra time ('cuase I am one of those long droney loopers ;-) > > ________________ > Ronan Chris Murphy > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the > art and craft of recording ) > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & > Cher) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 18:01:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7065E3BEDE; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <410-2200512415173353450@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200512415173353450@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:01:35 -0600 To: "Loopers-Delight" From: mech Subject: Re: custom power supplies: feasibility RE: RPTR issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:01:39 +0000 (UTC) At 12:33 PM -0500 12/15/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > >My needs are simple: 3 outputs (9VAC, 1000 mA; 14VAC, 1000mA; and a >standard, ordinary 9VDC of around 800mA or so just in case). >Always interested in shaving off a few pounds, either from my equipment or >myself, 14VAC? Is that for the VF-1? Weird voltage... If you've got other standardized AC wall plugs, you might consider looking at the Voodoo Labs Pedal Power AC ( http://www.voodoolab.com/pedalpower_ac.htm ). I've got one and it works just fine to replace a lot of my wall warts (including the one from my Vortex). I picked it up at AMS for about a bill thirty. However, it only handles 9vAC and 12vAC. Still, it's a godsend for getting rid of those pesky AC wall warts. Not sure if you're going to find anything out there that's not custom made for 14vAC, however... --m. -- _______ "No more building up; it is time to dissolve..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 18:15:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F07433BEF8; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kkWCIUnEyLZlv8eYUqee2iQ5xp/9vgmiglkX30OUU5VfMYwshArMfHK0h6PzOYyxIJfDgFuyVurd7pPlIz+SfrrlPMNJVYRn23iGGrgJAGIp+5g6P4vJMmFDsykiqU6mo+Je8mqukYQ8LXwpltO5JBAHcaUYHk5bwWqjN8vjMIc= ; Message-ID: <20051215181528.706.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:15:28 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Check out Andy Butlers CD as well Re:Bernhard Wagners' beautiful new CD reviewed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c60153$68950db0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:15:30 +0000 (UTC) can´t wait to hear it, Bernhard lets swap man! By the way i also recomend Andy Butlers CD,wonderful live looping compositions,i heard it 3 times in a row and every time i play it i discover a different trick! full of surprises and fantasies,highly recomended! cheers Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I had an amazing musical week.................taking > in Goth night with new > DJs; seeing Nine Inch Nails > rip it up at the Santa Cruz Civic; performing live > looping with video > accompaniement at Gavilan College's New Digital > Media Center; > playing acoustic traditional jazz with really good > musicians in Pebble > Beach. > > The week was full of a huge variety of really > excellent music and I rented a > car with a fantastic stereo > to get to everything. > > My constant companion on those long drives to and > from the gigs was the > brilliant new CD by Bernhard Wagner, > the talented guitarist from Zurich, Switzerland. > > After listening to all that > music....................going out > clubbing............seeing NIN rage at the Civic, I > cannot > get the title track to "The Fourth Night" out of my > head. It's as > compelling a piece of music as I've heard > in a good long while and it really attests to the > excellence of this first > output by Bernhard that it sticks in > my head so much. > > I've seen Bernhard play a few times now and so it > was a pleasant surprise to > hear him sing on (only ) the title track. > He has a really nice voice and I truly hope he > continues to sing on > subsequent outings. I can't say enough good things > about this1st track. I simply love it. > > "The Fourth Night" is also a perfect late night > driving home > CD...................and by the time you are > completely lulled by > the minor scales and the polyrhythmic interplay of > long fading delay lines > that make the record so trippy and delicious > Bernhard will suddenly change up and bring really > fascinating and > challenging new music timbres into the mix. > > This is my kind of late night > listening.................there are definite > ambient qualities to the music but it is constantly > morphing > into new and unheard territory. > > In the center suite of tunes that run from track 3 > through 6.............it > is not until several minutes into the fifth track > that the guitar > tones suddenly add distortions and then takes a > sudden left turn with > glitchy replacements of the original piece. > The tracks have individual names here but these > three piece really read as > one long piece. > > Track 7, "Le Menhir" takes the most chances on the > record and is one of my > favorite pieces. Bernhard's use of the > replacement functions in the Gibson EDP is really > exquisite on this piece. > Challenging the ear of the listener but never > completely alienating nor losing site of the melody > and mood of the piece. > It's really a great track. > > Track 8, "La Lueur" hits a loop at around 8 > minutes that is what Peter > Gabriel should be including in his most recent > outputs > (instead of what he is).................This loop > would make a fantastic pop > song if developed along those > lines.................or maybe > Gabriel should just hire Bernhard Wagner to play in > his band. It would be a > fitting place for this expansive and talented > guitarist. > > That's another thing I love about this recording: > There are constantly > times where I could hear really good pop songs > coming from loops or passages > that he plays and yet the CD is not a pop record in > the slightest. > > Right at the end of the record on Track 9, "Math > Town" it suddenly changes > up and gets the most funky and almost dance oriented > that the whole record > has to offer. It's cool piece and as a drummer, I > was itching to lay down > some fat groove over it. > > Bernhard finishes off the CD with a brief reprise of > the wonderful title > track....................playing the CD on > continuous play I went through > the whole thing twice a couple of times and it just > all flowed perfectly. > > What's wonderful about this record is that at > several points it hints at > being a different project.................ambient, > experimental, pop, > funk............and yet, it all remains a cohesive > whole. It is really > rhythmic and yet, there isn't a drum set to be heard > on the whole thing. > > It's really an impressive first outing and I can't > wait to hear what > Bernhard Wagner has up his sleeve for his next CD. > > Go out and buy this CD for yourself or a loved one > for Christmas. You'll be > glad you did. > > Rick Walker > loop.pool > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 18:22:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 549C83BF02; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pC2zz6O0CLKxmWTVaSxPvKMMNqMXdWm4BfomLibQ+XrWAwXheg1v3JgwylrwOJduRboV0iOKwe11vvsko5S3VFtUHkQFS2gyEzkxXbKrBOQWL7ATBpijYiih83Z5pkp0TZPeJc6IGZ9cY/+oWwuD92T+UkRt0YqxBB56T3bkFVI= Message-ID: <64b81a780512151022nba7afadw1aad0308a260db33@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:22:48 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers' Delight Subject: Line6 Echo Pro & MIDI lag MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Hey all, With all this talk about latency and recent mention of the Line6 Echo Pro, I thought I'd pose a question to the group. I've noticed that in controlling my Echo Pro with my FCB1010 MIDI pedal, there's a wicked lag for the Echo Pro to respond to MIDI commands. Makes it nearly impossible to set accurate loop points, etc. Has anyone else noticed this with their Echo Pros? Really, I'm just curious as I doubt there's anything that can be done about it. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 18:25:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EB0D3BEDD; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012801c601a4$ed9e32b0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <01b101c60119$3ffe04e0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006301c60166$75575ef0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <005101c60194$3a093f70$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1134666783.43a1a41fa7f9a@webmail.musetrap.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:25:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.117188 Jpegs in urls=1.0,Aspam=0.1 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 75, in=45811, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Excellent. This works. Mark, you took some outstanding pictures. Great job! Can you share more? For these, and to make this easier for everyone to annotate their own pictures with your own verbiage, I have uploaded these to a new account at Snapfish. You can log on, annotate your picture with whatever, and you can even order prints (although the photo resolutions are too small for high quality prints...not sure what they would look like...I may order a view to see). Also, for anyone else who took digital photos, you can upload them here too...this can be the total collection. Here is how you logon as a user: Go to www.snapfish.com 1. login as: nfo@krispenhartung.com 2. password: Y2K5Festival 3. Click on Y2K5 Looping Festival 4. Click Edit & Organize 5. Click Caption Photos and modify your caption To just view the pictures or order prints, use this Public URL: http://www.snapfish.com/share/p=876151134670061652/l=71240918/otsc=SYE/otsi=SALB IMPORTANT: If you decide to order prints later on, don't login with the above account info. Go to the public URL and setup your own account. You don't want to share your financial information with the group via the public account I set up. Cheers, Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Kris Hartung" Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) > The slideshow does not work in IE, I believe... But, looking at the page source, > the images can be found directly with: > > http://y2k5.grubmah.com/img/1.jpg > http://y2k5.grubmah.com/img/2.jpg > etc > http://y2k5.grubmah.com/img/31.jpg > > > Quoting Kris Hartung : > > > Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)Heck, if I can > > get to the pictures and download them, I'll post them on Snapfish for all. > > > > Kros > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Stephen Goodman > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:58 AM > > Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from > > James Sidlo) > > > > > > What's the point of putting the photos under all that java code? Even on a > > 4MB line one waits too long to hang out for it, frankly. Let us know when > > the photos are accessible, please! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kris Hartung > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Thursday, 15 December, 2005 01:45 AM > > Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from > > James Sidlo) > > > > > > I believe the Y2K5 pictures were linked here: http://y2k5.grubmah.com/ > > > > Unfortunatley, you can't read the site with PC, but only an Apple. Mark, > > were you going resolve this? You can setup a free account on Snapfish.com and > > upload all of the pictuers for us to view from any computer platform, and we > > can even order prints. I feel like I'm really missing out by not seeing those > > pictures. They will help me remember the event. > > > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stanley card > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:10 PM > > Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James > > Sidlo) > > > > > > hey now-anybody have the website w/ photos from this here loopin > > shindig? > > thanks > > staninsanfran > > > > > > on 12/14/05 3:46 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: > > > > > > Hello all - > > > > We have an addition to the list of available recordings from Y2K5, > > this one by James Sidlo (guitar). > > > > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1639414.html > > > > View all of the Y2K5 recordings here: > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm > > > > Streaming file of all performances: > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u > > > > Cheers, > > > > Krispen Hartung > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** ************ > > Krispen Hartung > > Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > > http://www.krispenhartung.com > > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > > Performance Calendar: > > > > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > > > > Descent to Self > > Krispen Hartung > > More Information > > > > > / Buy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 18:34:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F136A3BF05; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013a01c601a6$21ec21c0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <01b101c60119$3ffe04e0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006301c60166$75575ef0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <005101c60194$3a093f70$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1134666783.43a1a41fa7f9a@webmail.musetrap.com> <012801c601a4$ed9e32b0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:34:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.117188 Jpegs in urls=1.0,Aspam=0.1 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 75, in=45820, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:34:09 +0000 (UTC) See login correction below: (info not nfo) > Excellent. This works. Mark, you took some outstanding pictures. Great job! > Can you share more? > > For these, and to make this easier for everyone to annotate their own > pictures with your own verbiage, I have uploaded these to a new account at > Snapfish. You can log on, annotate your picture with whatever, and you can > even order prints (although the photo resolutions are too small for high > quality prints...not sure what they would look like...I may order a view to > see). Also, for anyone else who took digital photos, you can upload them > here too...this can be the total collection. > > Here is how you logon as a user: > Go to www.snapfish.com > > 1. login as: info@krispenhartung.com > 2. password: Y2K5Festival > 3. Click on Y2K5 Looping Festival > 4. Click Edit & Organize > 5. Click Caption Photos and modify your caption > > To just view the pictures or order prints, use this Public URL: > http://www.snapfish.com/share/p=876151134670061652/l=71240918/otsc=SYE/otsi=SALB > > IMPORTANT: If you decide to order prints later on, don't login with the > above account info. Go to the public URL and setup your own account. You > don't want to share your financial information with the group via the public > account I set up. > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; "Kris Hartung" > > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James > Sidlo) > > > > The slideshow does not work in IE, I believe... But, looking at the page > source, > > the images can be found directly with: > > > > http://y2k5.grubmah.com/img/1.jpg > > http://y2k5.grubmah.com/img/2.jpg > > etc > > http://y2k5.grubmah.com/img/31.jpg > > > > > > Quoting Kris Hartung : > > > > > Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo)Heck, if > I can > > > get to the pictures and download them, I'll post them on Snapfish for > all. > > > > > > Kros > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Stephen Goodman > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:58 AM > > > Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from > > > James Sidlo) > > > > > > > > > What's the point of putting the photos under all that java code? Even > on a > > > 4MB line one waits too long to hang out for it, frankly. Let us know > when > > > the photos are accessible, please! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Kris Hartung > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Sent: Thursday, 15 December, 2005 01:45 AM > > > Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition > from > > > James Sidlo) > > > > > > > > > I believe the Y2K5 pictures were linked here: > http://y2k5.grubmah.com/ > > > > > > Unfortunatley, you can't read the site with PC, but only an Apple. > Mark, > > > were you going resolve this? You can setup a free account on > Snapfish.com and > > > upload all of the pictuers for us to view from any computer platform, > and we > > > can even order prints. I feel like I'm really missing out by not seeing > those > > > pictures. They will help me remember the event. > > > > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stanley card > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:10 PM > > > Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition from James > > > Sidlo) > > > > > > > > > hey now-anybody have the website w/ photos from this here loopin > > > shindig? > > > thanks > > > staninsanfran > > > > > > > > > on 12/14/05 3:46 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello all - > > > > > > We have an addition to the list of available recordings from > Y2K5, > > > this one by James Sidlo (guitar). > > > > > > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1639414.html > > > > > > View all of the Y2K5 recordings here: > > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm > > > > > > Streaming file of all performances: > > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Krispen Hartung > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > ************ > > > Krispen Hartung > > > Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > > > http://www.krispenhartung.com > > > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > > > Performance Calendar: > > > > > > > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > > > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > > > > > > Descent to Self > > > Krispen Hartung > > > More Information > > > > > > tm> > > > / Buy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 18:41:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 276023BF00; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:44:01 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro & MIDI lag Message-ID: <1FDFB09AA93ECD4FD7A8AC82@[192.168.1.110]> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780512151022nba7afadw1aad0308a260db33@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b81a780512151022nba7afadw1aad0308a260db33@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Never had that problem when I used the EchoPro with the RFX MidiWizard. --On Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:22 PM -0500 Todd Pafford wrote: > Hey all, > > With all this talk about latency and recent mention of the Line6 Echo > Pro, I thought I'd pose a question to the group. I've noticed that in > controlling my Echo Pro with my FCB1010 MIDI pedal, there's a wicked > lag for the Echo Pro to respond to MIDI commands. Makes it nearly > impossible to set accurate loop points, etc. Has anyone else noticed > this with their Echo Pros? Really, I'm just curious as I doubt > there's anything that can be done about it. > > Todd > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 18:57:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F16F3BEEA; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hjbrt44fCSAfB7RpTAlxbeBFBfFNWWxABlQK0R0iBVCr4/YcJe1YXBKS0uMqmbjQqcEOuS8WF58UynnHOTIncQS7kW2/KnBA7bM0xZPwUOAosxNXQRZSbSvX3WNFb8uAZeKGpolxqGI5kwq5NcFNPkNQsBPzXaz1GoMjoIE2tAA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:57:10 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) In-Reply-To: <003f01c60194$1638b300$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <007a01c60153$8c5ac4b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <003f01c60194$1638b300$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:57:12 +0000 (UTC) You can view it on a Windows machine if you use Firefox, not IE. TH On 12/15/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > This is not intuitive to me...how do I do this Michael? I can't even acc= ess > the site to be able to view anything in picture slideshow. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 18:57:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7A633BEF6; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1FDFB09AA93ECD4FD7A8AC82@[192.168.1.110]> References: <64b81a780512151022nba7afadw1aad0308a260db33@mail.gmail.com> <1FDFB09AA93ECD4FD7A8AC82@[192.168.1.110]> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:57:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro & MIDI lag Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Ditto here with the Echo Pro and PC1600x. I'm doing pseudo-stereo using 2 Echo Pro's simultaneously, and there's no discernable lag whatsoever... At 10:44 AM -0800 12/15/05, Bob Amstadt wrote: >Never had that problem when I used the EchoPro with the RFX MidiWizard. > >--On Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:22 PM -0500 Todd Pafford > wrote: > >>Hey all, >> >>With all this talk about latency and recent mention of the Line6 Echo >>Pro, I thought I'd pose a question to the group. I've noticed that in >>controlling my Echo Pro with my FCB1010 MIDI pedal, there's a wicked >>lag for the Echo Pro to respond to MIDI commands. Makes it nearly >>impossible to set accurate loop points, etc. Has anyone else noticed >>this with their Echo Pros? Really, I'm just curious as I doubt >>there's anything that can be done about it. >> >>Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 19:26:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 329E73BF04; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u832Qbp3X/6Vnf13arlTCkk+pnRW8ohFooHGIPq+NtmgUZAx+A0vwpQqsWFKmf2ljQohaZc7FELkTH2Hj7bBxL8VoWmtG3gwKXgMyGfWcy1k77dl6uNIhFIUjCeacK7tIAPQJ5DV9Oa8fx9jemc9UOx+a7XzGUnn6j0LuXwsmr8= ; Message-ID: <20051215192559.56196.qmail@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:25:59 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: custom power supplies: feasibility RE: RPTR issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051215173633.777F43BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9eGDe.A.8X.INcoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Peter Toms email address: PToms@Drizzle.net Do you guys think this Pete Toms fellow could do something like this: make a power supply to replace the two 4-pound AC wallwarts for the Vortex (complete with its oddball connector) and the VF-1? (I'd love to use my lightweight-but-powerful Godlyke Powerall, but no dice! 14 volts AC indeed! It's like a car maker building a vehicle that can only run on the musk of the tree-dwelling elephant ;-) My needs are simple: 3 outputs (9VAC, 1000 mA; 14VAC, 1000mA; and a standard, ordinary 9VDC of around 800mA or so just in case). Always interested in shaving off a few pounds, either from my equipment or myself, Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 20:20:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EEB83BED5; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--395485075 Message-Id: <104356265a05267960539881aa2d426a@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:20:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <_u4C2.A.8_B.GAdoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:20:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--395485075 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > Then there's the whole argument of higher frequencies not being > perceived by the human ear > and yet still being perceived somehow... Same with extra low > frequencies. Can we hear below 20 > Hz? Probably not. Can we perceive below 20 Hz? Hell yes. > True. We can absolutely perceive below 20Hz, I live in LA, and we sure as hell feel earthquakes! I am actually in the camp that believes that there is important stuff happening above 20k. There were some test (that I was not involved with) where they switched between sine and square waves of about 15K, the difference between these two would be the addition of an additional frequency well above 20K and the subjects could here the difference. Scientist are not sure why this is the case. It could be bone conduction (basically our skull shaking) or intermodulation, meaning the high frequency changes the lower one or maybe we can just actually hear that high stuff some how. But how that applies to a looping instrument, I am not sure there is great value in a super high sample rate looper at this point. If you have any other digital device in your signal chain, you will have chopped off all that high end stuff first time you hit a digital box or foot pedal. ______________________ Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-8--395485075 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Then there's the whole argument of higher frequencies not being perceived by the human ear and yet still being perceived somehow... Same with extra low frequencies. Can we hear below 20 Hz? Probably not. Can we perceive below 20 Hz? Hell yes. True. We can absolutely perceive below 20Hz, I live in LA, and we sure as hell feel earthquakes! I am actually in the camp that believes that there is important stuff happening above 20k. There were some test (that I was not involved with) where they switched between sine and square waves of about 15K, the difference between these two would be the addition of an additional frequency well above 20K and the subjects could here the difference. Scientist are not sure why this is the case. It could be bone conduction (basically our skull shaking) or intermodulation, meaning the high frequency changes the lower one or maybe we can just actually hear that high stuff some how. But how that applies to a looping instrument, I am not sure there is great value in a super high sample rate looper at this point. If you have any other digital device in your signal chain, you will have chopped off all that high end stuff first time you hit a digital box or foot pedal. ______________________ Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-8--395485075-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 20:21:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54C3F3BED8; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Nyquist Frequency (was Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:21:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 20:21:55.0110 (UTC) FILETIME=[31197C60:01C601B5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:21:56 +0000 (UTC) > Even though higher frequencies are indeed possible with a 192K > sampling rate, it also means > that each waveform has more samples representing it, thus higher fidelity. > I never did understand > how the Nyquist theorum could claim fidelity in the upper end by only > having two samples per > waveform. Seems to me like you wouldn't be able to distinguish a sawtooth > from a sine from a > square wave if you only sampled at twice the highest frequency. Stephen - It is my understanding that the Nyquist theorum actually specifies the theoretical maximum frequency that can be represented with a digital signal. It says nothing of the quality of that representation. There's a key issue that makes the nyquist theorum all important to the A/D conversion process - frequencies higher than the Nyquist freq. will manifest themselves in the resultant digital signal as much lower frequency noise. That noise is basically garbage and is nearly unpredictable. Furthermore, frequencies that are close to but still less than the Nyquist frequency will be represented, however the amplitude of the representation will vary over time based on the _difference_ in frequencies. How much the output varies in amplitude is a more complex equasion - important thing is that frequencies close to the Nyquist freq. (even though they are still less than) will be VERY distorted but will still be represented "perfectly in-tune". Example: 48KHz digital A/D converter could capture a 23KHz pure sine wave, and output a 23KHz sine wave whose amplitude varies at 1Khz - you would hear that 1Khz signal for sure! So this is a long story to explain the real meat of the issue - LOW PASS FILTERING. Any digital audio capture system must have low pass filtering before the A/D converter. Ideally you would like to make sure that absolutely no signals whose frequency is greater than the Nyquist frequency can be input to the A/D converter - because those will just cause useless garbage noise out the other end. You also want to roll off frequencies that are close to the Nyquist frequency, because though could create ugly garbage noise too even though they will be represented somewhat. These filters are called anti-aliasing filters and every digital audio system has them. The thing about filters is that even the most expensive filters don't cut off sharply at a certain frequency - instead they "roll off" slowly starting at 0Hz and gradually roll off more and more as the frequency goes up. People refer to the "cut-off" frequency of a filter, but be aware that this is just the frequency at which the sound is sufficiently attenuated so that its much quiter than the original signal. This means that a simple filter with cutoff frequency of 20KHz still passes 22KHz signals they're just real quiet. It also means that this filter is rolling off your 18KHz signals too. The more money a manufacturer spend on the filter design and implimentation, the "steeper" it is, but none can be infinately steep. So you've got to set your anti-aliasing filter well below the nyquist frequency to be sure that nothing above the nyquist freq. of significant volume can get through to the A/D converter. If you don't have a lot of money to spend on anti-aliasing filters (and most music equipment falls into this catagory) you use an off-the-shelf filter solution which doesn't have very steep filtering (and therefore has a cutoff freq. well below the nyquist freq.). This cheap filter will roll off frequencies well below the cutoff freq. too. This could be what most people are hearing when they say 44.1KHz digital doesn't sound good. Ok, tired yet??? Well how about this one here - Time to learn about anti-imaging filters. This is just about the same thing as an anti-aliasing filter, but its on the other side of things - the outputs. Every device that uses digital audio has to have one. Typically it will be a similar or identical low pass filter to the anti-aliasing filter on the input. This further "rolls-off" some of the high end of your signal (even stuff below the Nyquist freq. - same as above). As a side note - the anti-imaging filter is the reason why you can buy a really high end CD player and it can actually sound much better than a crappy one even though both are using the exact same digital content. (There are other reasons like upsampling though too) Same with sound cards, mixing desks, ect. That's why a lot of people use SPDIF and do the final conversion only once on a high quality audio system. All of these things lead me to believe that even the most high quality digital audio system can only do a very good job of representing frequencies less than about 1/3 of the sampling frequency. This means that I consider 44.1KHz digital audio systems can represent up to 14.7KHz very well. That's probably fine for most of the public, but there are many people who can hear this. I believe that 48KHz is a pretty significant improvement with the ability to represent frequencies up to 16KHz quite well. This is probably right around the actual threshold of most human beings and above this starts to become somewhat esoteric and specialized. (keep in mind though that DVD supports 192KHz - so its not THAT esoteric -smile-). Jon If you got this far you don't need this link, but here is a decent explaination of some of this with diagrams: http://www.cems.uwe.ac.uk/~lrlang/multimedia/audio2.pdf upsampling on high end cd players: http://www.mlssa.com/pdf/Upsampling-theory-rev-2.pdf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 20:32:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFAA73BF01; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: the FOURTH NIGHT: Bernhard Wagners' beautiful new CD reviewed Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:32:04 +0100 Message-ID: <004e01c601b6$9c439bf0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <006b01c60153$68950db0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2xhkRB.A.ZVC.LLdoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Holy Guacamoly, Rick! Thanks a lot for the flattering review! Also many thanks to Andy Butler and Matthias Grob without whose support = none of this would have happened. Thanks bunches Bernhard http://nosuch.biz/fourthNight > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2005 09:42 > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting); BERNHARD WAGNER > Subject: the FOURTH NIGHT: Bernhard Wagners' beautiful new CD reviewed >=20 > I had an amazing musical week.................taking in Goth night = with > new > DJs; seeing Nine Inch Nails > rip it up at the Santa Cruz Civic; performing live looping with video > accompaniement at Gavilan College's New Digital Media Center; > playing acoustic traditional jazz with really good musicians in Pebble > Beach. >=20 > The week was full of a huge variety of really excellent music and I = rented > a > car with a fantastic stereo > to get to everything. >=20 > My constant companion on those long drives to and from the gigs was = the > brilliant new CD by Bernhard Wagner, > the talented guitarist from Zurich, Switzerland. >=20 > After listening to all that music....................going out > clubbing............seeing NIN rage at the Civic, I cannot > get the title track to "The Fourth Night" out of my head. It's as > compelling a piece of music as I've heard > in a good long while and it really attests to the excellence of this = first > output by Bernhard that it sticks in > my head so much. >=20 > I've seen Bernhard play a few times now and so it was a pleasant = surprise > to > hear him sing on (only ) the title track. > He has a really nice voice and I truly hope he continues to sing on > subsequent outings. I can't say enough good things > about this1st track. I simply love it. >=20 > "The Fourth Night" is also a perfect late night driving home > CD...................and by the time you are completely lulled by > the minor scales and the polyrhythmic interplay of long fading delay = lines > that make the record so trippy and delicious > Bernhard will suddenly change up and bring really fascinating and > challenging new music timbres into the mix. >=20 > This is my kind of late night listening.................there are = definite > ambient qualities to the music but it is constantly morphing > into new and unheard territory. >=20 > In the center suite of tunes that run from track 3 through > 6.............it > is not until several minutes into the fifth track that the guitar > tones suddenly add distortions and then takes a sudden left turn with > glitchy replacements of the original piece. > The tracks have individual names here but these three piece really = read as > one long piece. >=20 > Track 7, "Le Menhir" takes the most chances on the record and is one = of > my > favorite pieces. Bernhard's use of the > replacement functions in the Gibson EDP is really exquisite on this = piece. > Challenging the ear of the listener but never > completely alienating nor losing site of the melody and mood of the = piece. > It's really a great track. >=20 > Track 8, "La Lueur" hits a loop at around 8 minutes that is what = Peter > Gabriel should be including in his most recent outputs > (instead of what he is).................This loop would make a = fantastic > pop > song if developed along those lines.................or maybe > Gabriel should just hire Bernhard Wagner to play in his band. It = would be > a > fitting place for this expansive and talented guitarist. >=20 > That's another thing I love about this recording: There are = constantly > times where I could hear really good pop songs coming from loops or > passages > that he plays and yet the CD is not a pop record in the slightest. >=20 > Right at the end of the record on Track 9, "Math Town" it suddenly > changes > up and gets the most funky and almost dance oriented that the whole = record > has to offer. It's cool piece and as a drummer, I was itching to = lay > down > some fat groove over it. >=20 > Bernhard finishes off the CD with a brief reprise of the wonderful = title > track....................playing the CD on continuous play I went = through > the whole thing twice a couple of times and it just all flowed = perfectly. >=20 > What's wonderful about this record is that at several points it hints = at > being a different project.................ambient, experimental, pop, > funk............and yet, it all remains a cohesive whole. It is = really > rhythmic and yet, there isn't a drum set to be heard on the whole = thing. >=20 > It's really an impressive first outing and I can't wait to hear what > Bernhard Wagner has up his sleeve for his next CD. >=20 > Go out and buy this CD for yourself or a loved one for Christmas. = You'll > be > glad you did. >=20 > Rick Walker > loop.pool From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 20:33:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37A033BEF3; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <104356265a05267960539881aa2d426a@venetowest.com> Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:33:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 20:33:55.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE57A7C0:01C601B6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:33:57 +0000 (UTC) > (that I was not involved with) where they switched between sine and > square waves of about 15K, the difference between these two would be > the addition of an additional frequency well above 20K and the subjects > could here the difference. Ronan- There are other much more complex sounding differences between square and sine wave. Boot up any analog synth and see for yourself. Basically a square wave at any frequency contains all frequencies at varying levels. Doesn't make much sense, but its true. A sin wave contains exactly one and only one frequency. I would be willing to bet that since a square wave contains all frequencies, it excites all kinds of resonances - in the headphone speakers, in the amplifier, in the air next to the ear, and everything in the body. A sin wave will only excite things which resonate at that frequency. What you're hearing in a 15KHz square wave are those resonances as well as the fundamental 15Hz signal - those resonances can be at any frequency, and could have lots of resonances within the human hearing range. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 20:57:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C25023BEF6; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rP7SoQ2qvxma/S9GhH/sv+G1fBQoP+p621H/EKrqAzzEyOHc4uvCTAI43oRyUa+Q2joyCEwoQa5h4/8X5OKftq/3EO8x8kLtyBa/v8mrAKxCTUzu5L2gXjeUrI8sNSj1YY3LbI106z4Z/Ynj5pWtUnsfli8VlBkLtQBlwK4Jh6A= ; Message-ID: <20051215205727.9004.qmail@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:57:27 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051215202156.B39FB3BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0kHxNC.A.JBD.5idoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Again, it's not so much about getting frequencies above 20K into our loopers, rather it's about increasing the quality of sounds well within our hearing. If the frequencies at 20K are only allotted 2 samples per wave cycle, then an octave down only gets 4 samples, 2 octaves down only gets 8 samples, and 3 octaves down which is right around 2.5K only gets 16 samples per wave. Sampling at 192 would offer us 64 samples at 2.5K. I don't know if my math is correct, but this is how the numbers seem to be crunching. Also, if my crunching is correct, I'm not sure how perceivable this higher sampling rate actually is. Perhaps someone on this list has experience with these things? Stephen R.Chris Murphy wrote: True. We can absolutely perceive below 20Hz, I live in LA, and we sure as hell feel earthquakes! I am actually in the camp that believes that there is important stuff happening above 20k. There were some test (that I was not involved with) where they switched between sine and square waves of about 15K, the difference between these two would be the addition of an additional frequency well above 20K and the subjects could here the difference. Scientist are not sure why this is the case. It could be bone conduction (basically our skull shaking) or intermodulation, meaning the high frequency changes the lower one or maybe we can just actually hear that high stuff some how. But how that applies to a looping instrument, I am not sure there is great value in a super high sample rate looper at this point. If you have any other digital device in your signal chain, you will have chopped off all that high end stuff first time you hit a digital box or foot pedal. ______________________ Ronan Chris Murphy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 21:19:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A099E3BEFF; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TfOeqUrVOICby+2CUhsWOGixfLDiiqqVd/Hh/WaJluwDWPlqhNjVjVZQpYH4C8v7KnbL7M6iaIK0UuzLe9/dVhmeOH6+UIkvlrbSVOR64Mo5qQ3CIWmv4qEzA+mOgj2Wsf8k1lAi2JBBbGoCpHhjnjwK6zRCnPtunUqw+DzQwxM= ; Message-ID: <20051215211852.4288.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:18:52 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro & MIDI lag To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a780512151022nba7afadw1aad0308a260db33@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:19:27 +0000 (UTC) todd that is strange, i had an echo pro at one point which i was controlling with my FCB1010 and as far as i remember it worked wonderful with no latency... hello midi gurus? --- Todd Pafford wrote: > Hey all, > > With all this talk about latency and recent mention > of the Line6 Echo > Pro, I thought I'd pose a question to the group. > I've noticed that in > controlling my Echo Pro with my FCB1010 MIDI pedal, > there's a wicked > lag for the Echo Pro to respond to MIDI commands. > Makes it nearly > impossible to set accurate loop points, etc. Has > anyone else noticed > this with their Echo Pros? Really, I'm just curious > as I doubt > there's anything that can be done about it. > > Todd > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 21:35:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D3A23BF00; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:37:50 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro & MIDI lag Message-ID: <94D0D811EF7ADB4271A5B4A8@[192.168.1.110]> In-Reply-To: <20051215211852.4288.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051215211852.4288.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Ok, here is the big question. What is in the complete MIDI chain and how is everything wired? If the FCB1010 is connected directly to the EchoPro without any other MIDI devices connected to the two units, does this problem still exist? If it does, I suspect that something is broken, because there is no inherent reason why the lag should exist. --On Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:18 PM -0800 Luis Angulo wrote: > todd that is strange, i had an echo pro at one point > which i was controlling with my FCB1010 and as far as > i remember it worked wonderful with no latency... > hello midi gurus? > > --- Todd Pafford wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> With all this talk about latency and recent mention >> of the Line6 Echo >> Pro, I thought I'd pose a question to the group. >> I've noticed that in >> controlling my Echo Pro with my FCB1010 MIDI pedal, >> there's a wicked >> lag for the Echo Pro to respond to MIDI commands. >> Makes it nearly >> impossible to set accurate loop points, etc. Has >> anyone else noticed >> this with their Echo Pros? Really, I'm just curious >> as I doubt >> there's anything that can be done about it. >> >> Todd >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 21:47:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5B353BEF4; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Nyquist Frequency (was Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:47:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 21:47:17.0697 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E663B10:01C601C1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:47:19 +0000 (UTC) sorry, more geekery left in me... after re-reading my last post, I realized I left out a critical factor to how a digital system will sound. One of the toughest challenges for a designer is to supply good clean current to the converters. So powering the system without noise in the supply is of utmost importance - and this can be a real challenge in a digital system with things like CFCs, LEDs, buttons, ect. Its even harder with spinning motors and moving solenoids like in a CD player. It is also tricky in high-impedance systems like anything with a guitar input because the high impedance componants can act like a very nice antenae for electrical noise. This stuff can be way more important than the sampling frequency if its not done correctly because you'll hear any noise in the power supply or in the system ending up in the final output. But of course all you repeater freaks (myself included) already know that... Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 21:53:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 671BE3BF0B; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rSvoSmA1di3h7r+ZySuqcR5EbDccjwtPlX26Gg7PM/2BRmt1JWURu6jfOVIr3Wdqf2sDknrW1rz5WQhV9KVVRi5/LqkqHrtfvNHW8N377G8tO3a1XM7RkJTehBG34gtejOI2tNF1hymrXBX279TdQs676jXp0oTJTwJCUqjoZcg= ; Message-ID: <20051215215352.22885.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:53:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro & MIDI lag To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Mine works fine with the lowly RFX MidiBuddy. -t- --- mech wrote: > Ditto here with the Echo Pro and PC1600x. > > At 10:44 AM -0800 12/15/05, Bob Amstadt wrote: > >Never had that problem when I used the EchoPro with > the RFX MidiWizard. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 21:55:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E0DF3BF11; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:55:30 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro & MIDI lag In-reply-to: <20051215211852.4288.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A1E652.2010300@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051215211852.4288.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Try hooking the FCB1010 up to a MIDI monitor to see exactly what it is sending. I have had one in a state where it sends meaningless bank select messages even though a switch isn't assigned a program change. If it is, this may be confusing the Echo Pro. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 21:58:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 808463BF15; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.77.249.86] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <104356265a05267960539881aa2d426a@venetowest.com> Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:57:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Beg to differ here. You're right about sine waves but the square variety contains only odd harmonics . If they contained all frequencies they would be noise i.e. unpitched in our perception Gareth > Boot up any analog synth and see for yourself. Basically a square wave > at any frequency contains all frequencies at varying levels. Doesn't make > much sense, but its true. A sin wave contains exactly one and only one > frequency. > > I would be willing to bet that since a square wave contains all > frequencies, it excites all kinds of resonances - in the headphone > speakers, in the amplifier, in the air next to the ear, and everything in > the body. A sin wave will only excite things which resonate at that > frequency. What you're hearing in a 15KHz square wave are those > resonances as well as the fundamental 15Hz signal - those resonances can > be at any frequency, and could have lots of resonances within the human > hearing range. > > Jon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 22:08:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDD953BEF5; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <104356265a05267960539881aa2d426a@venetowest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8d3cb362718f7080254e40f60f6e89bf@venetowest.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:08:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:08:27 +0000 (UTC) > Ronan- > There are other much more complex sounding differences between square > and sine wave. Boot up any analog synth and see for yourself. > Basically a square wave at any frequency contains all frequencies at > varying levels. Doesn't make much sense, but its true. A sin wave > contains exactly one and only one frequency. jon. A square wave is a wave that contains two states (one of which may or may not be zero) the effect of the "squaring or squareness" of these waves is the inclusion of a series of harmonics including the octave and all odd order harmonics above the octave into a theoretical infinity. The first harmonic being the octave (or for instance 30k above a 15k square wave) Something that contains all frequencies is called "noise". White noise contains all those frequencies evenly. > Again, it's not so much about getting frequencies above 20K into our > loopers, rather it's > about increasing the quality of sounds well within our hearing. If > the frequencies at 20K are > only allotted 2 samples per wave cycle, then an octave down only gets > 4 samples, 2 octaves down > only gets 8 samples, and 3 octaves down which is right around 2.5K > only gets 16 samples per wave. > Sampling at 192 would offer us 64 samples at 2.5K. I don't know if my > math is correct, but this > is how the numbers seem to be crunching. Also, if my crunching is > correct, I'm not sure how > perceivable this higher sampling rate actually is. Perhaps someone on > this list has experience > with these things? > Stephen I think you are misunderstanding PCM sampling. At CD quality (44.1) there are 44,100 "snapshots" being taken of a sound per second. The same snapshot is used to capture all frequencies. It is not a matter of various samples being allotted to various frequencies. Therefor a waveform of 2.5k is captured 44.100 times per second. A frequency of 25k could not be captured with 44.100 snapshots a second because that frequency would go between its positive and negative state 25,000 times a second, or 50,000 states a second. You could not capture that with 44.100 snapshots a second. If you are looking to improve quality of more commonly used frequencies you should be discussing bit depth which deals with the resolution of each of those snapshots. A commercial CD is 16 bit, most new pro audio gear is 24 bit. More importantly though for audio quality you should be looking at the quality of the Analog to Digital Converters, and the Digital to Analog Converts and the quality of the digital clock that those converters are referenced to. I would gladly take a high quality digital I/O and clock at 16 bit and 44.1 sample rate, over a low quality I/O and clock at 24 bit with a 96k sample rate. That would be a cool thing about making a looper with digital I/O you could hook up a nice Apogee digital I/O and clock to it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 22:19:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A6943BF0A; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IKmBfOn6DNyummYhqnCPAu2WjislEjTrt45qxDQ/AXgULrPIHma4XLzHCBLFSdjywOcZhGiKBERsP4upT3DZZMe0IiKc4Pz+4Ln2Exa7JRV1t3eY3dAsJpafGRQYMWXhIP9H3pGoASvX3ab8wd1h7E6VVD46fAaZGmkltMNFB/M= ; Message-ID: <20051215221928.63976.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:19:28 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: OT: gear FS (digitech, gemini) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051215202156.B39FB3BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1476322912-1134685168=:63188" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3PxX7B.A.nMG.yveoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:19:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-1476322912-1134685168=:63188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i'm trying to clean out my studio, a few things that i was going to put on ebay, but have been slow/lazy, thought i'd offer it up here first, its been good gear for me, but i know/doubt that it's stuff that anyone HAS to have or are dying for: DIGITECH RP-7, tube preamp (6 distortion modes, i liked the cleans, but all usable), from '98 i think, has 3.5 sec of delay, which i used for awhile to some good use. also has other effects (chorus, flanger, etc) and reverb. prepal has it listed at 136$, i'm asking 90$ (that would include shipping cost) (note: i think the tube could use a replacing, but it works and has worked fine for me) DIGITECH IPS33-the original harmony machine from '88 (and still working!) i guess it was the budget to the eventide h3000 back when i dreamed of owning rack gear. has 60 presets, 30 user spaces, i only used about 4-5 of the presets, can get some wide ranging effects w/ the mix knob. prepal has it listed at 96$, i'm asking 85$ (that includes shipping) DIGITECH DSP256XL-has some nice tap delays, 1.5 sec of delay at 99% feedback, which i used a bit for looping... prepal has it listed at 82$, i'm asking 75$ (that includes shipping) GEMINI 1224 sampler-has two 2-sec samples, two 4-sec samples, and a 12-sec sample, it's more dj oriented ,but i used it for gtr (and only had luck using the rca ins/outs). it has a pitch adjust which i used to some effect, not awe-inspiring but ok. aksing 35$(that includes shipping) i have pictures if you're interested, just email me at: scott.hansen@kirkwood.edu i have a paypal acct, but would also be willing to accept personal check (to clear) since these aren't super high priced items by any means. like i said, not gear i imagine most are dying for....but it has served me well.... s--- --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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i'm trying to clean out my studio, a few things that i was going
to put on ebay, but have been slow/lazy, thought i'd offer it up here first,
its been good gear for me, but i know/doubt that it's stuff that anyone
HAS to have or are dying for:
 
DIGITECH RP-7, tube preamp (6 distortion modes, i liked the cleans, but all usable), from '98 i think, has 3.5 sec of delay, which i used for awhile to some good use. also has other effects (chorus, flanger, etc) and reverb. prepal has it listed at 136$,
i'm asking 90$ (that would include shipping cost) (note: i think the tube could use a replacing, but it works and has worked fine for me)
 
DIGITECH IPS33-the original harmony machine from '88 (and still working!) i guess it was the budget to the eventide h3000 back when i dreamed of owning rack gear. has 60 presets, 30 user spaces, i only used about 4-5 of the presets, can get some wide ranging effects w/ the mix knob. prepal has it listed at 96$, i'm asking 85$ (that includes shipping)
 
DIGITECH DSP256XL-has some nice tap delays, 1.5 sec of delay at 99% feedback, which i used a bit for looping... prepal has it listed at 82$, i'm asking 75$ (that includes shipping)
 
GEMINI 1224 sampler-has two 2-sec samples, two 4-sec samples, and a 12-sec sample, it's more dj oriented ,but i used it for gtr (and only had luck using the rca ins/outs). it has a pitch adjust which i used to some effect, not awe-inspiring but ok.
aksing 35$(that includes shipping)
 
i have pictures if you're interested, just email me at: scott.hansen@kirkwood.edu
i have a paypal acct, but would also be willing to accept personal check (to clear) since these aren't super high priced items by any means.
like i said, not gear i imagine most are dying for....but it has served me well....
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Shopping --0-1476322912-1134685168=:63188-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 22:36:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCC343BF10; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A1EFF8.7090308@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:36:40 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate References: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:36:43 +0000 (UTC) S V G wrote: > Even though higher frequencies are indeed possible with a 192K sampling rate, it also means > that each waveform has more samples representing it, thus higher fidelity. I never did understand > how the Nyquist theorum could claim fidelity in the upper end by only having two samples per > waveform. Seems to me like you wouldn't be able to distinguish a sawtooth from a sine from a > square wave if you only sampled at twice the highest frequency. Thats exactly the case, your ear is not able to distinguish between a sine an a square wave at 20 kHz. Unless you feed it into a row of bad AD/DA converters, but then the square isn't a square anymore, thats the difference you hear in the end. The problem with converters is the analog filters necessary to filter higher frequencies than half the sample rate. They are either very, very expensive or they don't filter enough. The latter is usually the case. If you feed that filtered signal into a 96 kHz converter you would not get the annoying folded inharmonic distortion you get at lower sample rates. No issue for rock'n roll I guess. A pair of converters which sound good at low sampling rates you could find withh Apogee for example. It would determine the price range. But there is a more economic way to achieve that quality, and thats simply a higher sample rate. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 22:43:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C013D3BF18; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A1F173.9020001@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:42:59 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looperlative thoughts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Steve Lawson wrote: > (sorry, there won't be a feature that allows you to midi up your eyeballs > to operate the loops just by looking at foxy peoples in the audience), There was just a post to the maxlist which shows that exactly that is possible. Eyetracking with Max to create some weird Midi control for your loops... I doubt that it would work live on stage though, the project was aimed at interactiv installation work. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 22:50:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D27E43BF0E; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A1F342.3040403@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:50:42 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looperlative thoughts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:50:43 +0000 (UTC) simeon harris wrote: > anybody think of some other controllers that might do a good job? I use an old Fostex MixTAB (out of production) and a Doepfer PocketDial, there is a cheap Midi fader box from Evolution which has a lot of Faders and knobs, set up like a mixer and a lot more: Peavey PC 1600, Kawai, Roland.... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 23:09:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7616B3BF06; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <104356265a05267960539881aa2d426a@venetowest.com> <8d3cb362718f7080254e40f60f6e89bf@venetowest.com> Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:09:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 23:09:51.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[A70003B0:01C601CC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:09:53 +0000 (UTC) >> Basically a square wave at any frequency contains all frequencies at >> varying levels. Doesn't make much sense, but its true. A sin wave >> contains exactly one and only one frequency. jon. > > A square wave is a wave that contains two states (one of which may or may > not be zero) the effect of the "squaring or squareness" of these waves is > the inclusion of a series of harmonics including the octave and all odd > order harmonics above the octave into a theoretical infinity. The first > harmonic being the octave (or for instance 30k above a 15k square wave) You are absolutely correct. I guess I wasn't thinking straigh when I made the above comment. However.... a square wave can excite all kinds of frequencies which are not harmonics if other things in the system have a resonance. An example: hitting a curb with your car. This is like a square wave for the suspension system - but your car will bounce at the resonant frequency of the suspension. I use square waves all the time in physical systems to excite and find resonances. Another example more related to audio is when a sound engineer will walk around the room and clap. The clap is an pressure wave impulse (sound)very similar to a square wave and will excite resonances in the room that the engineer can then listen for. > Something that contains all frequencies is called "noise". White noise > contains all those frequencies evenly. right again! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 15 23:10:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B6413BF1E; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A1F7EF.3030402@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:10:39 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Real-time category References: <20051207073722.43885.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4396FFAE.5060403@sun.com> <4398A847.40508@addcom.de> <439C5D92.9060207@addcom.de> <439D5C32.2010209@addcom.de> <439DC532.1080309@sun.com> <439F4B18.9070702@addcom.de> <439F58F4.9000009@sun.com> <439FEB79.8050002@addcom.de> <43A085D1.6060203@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <43A085D1.6060203@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > But this is a very unusual situation. I doubt anyone running a commercial > host like Bidule or Live with even one extra plugin like an amp modeler > or reverb can use a 16 sample buffer. I usually never need to go below 64 samples, and its only a matter of the amount of processing I want to do (I rarely use plugins, I prefer my own tweakings). If I just do what a looper is doing, a low vector size won't be a problem nowadays. Of course if you open yourself for the potential of a computer you want to use it all. Then you have to decide if you want the short latency or the impulse reverb. You might not be able to have both, and if you add a hardware looper to your set ;-) And not to forget as soon you start to go into really soffisticated FFT based processing your signal vector size could go up to 4096 samples. But this is a completely different kind of fun... (And would apply to any RTOS-based computer as well) Has anyone on the list ever experimented with a RTOS Linux kernel? > The original point was that an RTOS will be better for triggering because > it can usually give you lower latency. The original point was the claim at the Loopers Delight web site that software could not be called a realtime looper. Now I know its there to start interesting threads about tiny details which probably are not so important in a real lif(v)e situation in the end (so please keep i there ;-) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 01:43:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5BF03BECF; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eRTUYzci+AdJFcA/ttnsnLRG1RZnxLLqUGb1j1K388LIbi3nCO2uRawDyq9IJVCS; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051251614839140@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: custom power supplies: feasibility RE: RPTR issues Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:48:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f33f2bccb3388aa8a7c8cf0e9282c774350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.86 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Thank you kindly. ~T > [Original Message] > From: S V G > To: > Date: 12/15/2005 2:26:01 PM > Subject: Re: custom power supplies: feasibility RE: RPTR issues > > > Peter Toms email address: > > PToms@Drizzle.net > > > > > > Do you guys think this Pete Toms fellow could do something like this: make > a power supply to replace the two 4-pound AC wallwarts for the Vortex > (complete with its oddball connector) and the VF-1? (I'd love to use my > lightweight-but-powerful Godlyke Powerall, but no dice! 14 volts AC indeed! > It's like a car maker building a vehicle that can only run on the musk of > the tree-dwelling elephant ;-) > My needs are simple: 3 outputs (9VAC, 1000 mA; 14VAC, 1000mA; and a > standard, ordinary 9VDC of around 800mA or so just in case). > Always interested in shaving off a few pounds, either from my equipment or > myself, > Tim > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 02:03:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 370363BEDD; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:03:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TBMvwPMbCMh5K7YilxYtZHOj3DbOP50huVoCmY0ZtSlYxHXLrYbwiQvSmLbZCc70; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200512516282180@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: subharmonics of dog frequencies Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:08:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94095805ee3014fd63cd6558ea2e6e14764350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.86 Resent-Message-ID: <6KjrG.A.dLE.UBioDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:03:01 +0000 (UTC) Cool story about the test! The theory I read in Tape Op (courtesy of the outspoken audio veteran Walter Sear) was that we hear the *subharmonics* of these stratospheric frequencies, which is why he feels that allegedly ultrasonic info is still crucial. Sounds good to me, but I'm no genius and can't scientifically weigh in on this. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Ronan Chris Murphy > To: > Date: 12/15/2005 3:20:23 PM > Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate > > > > Then there's the whole argument of higher frequencies not being > > perceived by the human ear > > and yet still being perceived somehow... Same with extra low > > frequencies. Can we hear below 20 > > Hz? Probably not. Can we perceive below 20 Hz? Hell yes. > > > > True. We can absolutely perceive below 20Hz, I live in LA, and we sure > as hell feel earthquakes! I am actually in the camp that believes that > there is important stuff happening above 20k. There were some test > (that I was not involved with) where they switched between sine and > square waves of about 15K, the difference between these two would be > the addition of an additional frequency well above 20K and the subjects > could here the difference. Scientist are not sure why this is the > case. It could be bone conduction (basically our skull shaking) or > intermodulation, meaning the high frequency changes the lower one or > maybe we can just actually hear that high stuff some how. > > But how that applies to a looping instrument, I am not sure there is > great value in a super high sample rate looper at this point. If you > have any other digital device in your signal chain, you will have > chopped off all that high end stuff first time you hit a digital box or > foot pedal. > ______________________ > Ronan Chris Murphy > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the > art and craft of recording ) > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & > Cher) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 02:12:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B76B3BEF4; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=rxo8bbVCBhItyGwGAk+6GWB3X7BASxadG6QUtd+oZQf8FUNdlbHrSUSzfXHxsKRx; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051251621729780@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Nyquist Frequency (was Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:17:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9400c1d9093cc49174a3b51892ff1c48736350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.86 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Excellent. I actually understood you and learned something!! Cool. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: jondrums > To: > Date: 12/15/2005 3:21:56 PM > Subject: Nyquist Frequency (was Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate) > > > Even though higher frequencies are indeed possible with a 192K > > sampling rate, it also means > > that each waveform has more samples representing it, thus higher fidelity. > > I never did understand > > how the Nyquist theorum could claim fidelity in the upper end by only > > having two samples per > > waveform. Seems to me like you wouldn't be able to distinguish a sawtooth > > from a sine from a > > square wave if you only sampled at twice the highest frequency. > > Stephen - It is my understanding that the Nyquist theorum actually > specifies the theoretical maximum frequency that can be represented with a > digital signal. It says nothing of the quality of that representation. > There's a key issue that makes the nyquist theorum all important to the A/D > conversion process - frequencies higher than the Nyquist freq. will manifest > themselves in the resultant digital signal as much lower frequency noise. > That noise is basically garbage and is nearly unpredictable. > > Furthermore, frequencies that are close to but still less than the Nyquist > frequency will be represented, however the amplitude of the representation > will vary over time based on the _difference_ in frequencies. How much the > output varies in amplitude is a more complex equasion - important thing is > that frequencies close to the Nyquist freq. (even though they are still less > than) will be VERY distorted but will still be represented "perfectly > in-tune". Example: 48KHz digital A/D converter could capture a 23KHz pure > sine wave, and output a 23KHz sine wave whose amplitude varies at 1Khz - you > would hear that 1Khz signal for sure! > > So this is a long story to explain the real meat of the issue - LOW PASS > FILTERING. Any digital audio capture system must have low pass filtering > before the A/D converter. Ideally you would like to make sure that > absolutely no signals whose frequency is greater than the Nyquist frequency > can be input to the A/D converter - because those will just cause useless > garbage noise out the other end. You also want to roll off frequencies that > are close to the Nyquist frequency, because though could create ugly garbage > noise too even though they will be represented somewhat. These filters are > called anti-aliasing filters and every digital audio system has them. > > The thing about filters is that even the most expensive filters don't cut > off sharply at a certain frequency - instead they "roll off" slowly starting > at 0Hz and gradually roll off more and more as the frequency goes up. > People refer to the "cut-off" frequency of a filter, but be aware that this > is just the frequency at which the sound is sufficiently attenuated so that > its much quiter than the original signal. This means that a simple filter > with cutoff frequency of 20KHz still passes 22KHz signals they're just real > quiet. It also means that this filter is rolling off your 18KHz signals > too. The more money a manufacturer spend on the filter design and > implimentation, the "steeper" it is, but none can be infinately steep. > > So you've got to set your anti-aliasing filter well below the nyquist > frequency to be sure that nothing above the nyquist freq. of significant > volume can get through to the A/D converter. If you don't have a lot of > money to spend on anti-aliasing filters (and most music equipment falls into > this catagory) you use an off-the-shelf filter solution which doesn't have > very steep filtering (and therefore has a cutoff freq. well below the > nyquist freq.). This cheap filter will roll off frequencies well below the > cutoff freq. too. This could be what most people are hearing when they > say 44.1KHz digital doesn't sound good. > > Ok, tired yet??? Well how about this one here - Time to learn about > anti-imaging filters. This is just about the same thing as an anti-aliasing > filter, but its on the other side of things - the outputs. Every device > that uses digital audio has to have one. Typically it will be a similar or > identical low pass filter to the anti-aliasing filter on the input. This > further "rolls-off" some of the high end of your signal (even stuff below > the Nyquist freq. - same as above). > > As a side note - the anti-imaging filter is the reason why you can buy a > really high end CD player and it can actually sound much better than a > crappy one even though both are using the exact same digital content. > (There are other reasons like upsampling though too) Same with sound cards, > mixing desks, ect. That's why a lot of people use SPDIF and do the final > conversion only once on a high quality audio system. > > All of these things lead me to believe that even the most high quality > digital audio system can only do a very good job of representing frequencies > less than about 1/3 of the sampling frequency. This means that I consider > 44.1KHz digital audio systems can represent up to 14.7KHz very well. That's > probably fine for most of the public, but there are many people who can hear > this. I believe that 48KHz is a pretty significant improvement with the > ability to represent frequencies up to 16KHz quite well. This is probably > right around the actual threshold of most human beings and above this starts > to become somewhat esoteric and specialized. (keep in mind though that DVD > supports 192KHz - so its not THAT esoteric -smile-). > > Jon > > If you got this far you don't need this link, but here is a decent > explaination of some of this with diagrams: > http://www.cems.uwe.ac.uk/~lrlang/multimedia/audio2.pdf > upsampling on high end cd players: > http://www.mlssa.com/pdf/Upsampling-theory-rev-2.pdf > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 02:26:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B14573BEFA; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: , Subject: RE: subharmonics of dog frequencies Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:26:15 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <410-2200512516282180@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Part of the issue is that stereo perception comes into play. For example, when we "hear" frequencies below the threshold of what we consider audible, the slight difference of timing of these sounds hitting each ear will result in the brain doing its own addition/subtraction between the two different signals. The result is that the brain definitely perceives these sounds and we react accordingly with ease/unease, pleasure/displeasure, we know we're hearing something even if we don't "hear" it. It's this same capability that can cause us to feel quite uneasy when we listen to certain types of sounds from multiple speaker systems. -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: subharmonics of dog frequencies Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Cool story about the test! The theory I read in Tape Op (courtesy of the outspoken audio veteran Walter Sear) was that we hear the *subharmonics* of these stratospheric frequencies, which is why he feels that allegedly ultrasonic info is still crucial. Sounds good to me, but I'm no genius and can't scientifically weigh in on this. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Ronan Chris Murphy > To: > Date: 12/15/2005 3:20:23 PM > Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate > > > > Then there's the whole argument of higher frequencies not being > > perceived by the human ear > > and yet still being perceived somehow... Same with extra low > > frequencies. Can we hear below 20 > > Hz? Probably not. Can we perceive below 20 Hz? Hell yes. > > > > True. We can absolutely perceive below 20Hz, I live in LA, and we sure > as hell feel earthquakes! I am actually in the camp that believes that > there is important stuff happening above 20k. There were some test > (that I was not involved with) where they switched between sine and > square waves of about 15K, the difference between these two would be > the addition of an additional frequency well above 20K and the subjects > could here the difference. Scientist are not sure why this is the > case. It could be bone conduction (basically our skull shaking) or > intermodulation, meaning the high frequency changes the lower one or > maybe we can just actually hear that high stuff some how. > > But how that applies to a looping instrument, I am not sure there is > great value in a super high sample rate looper at this point. If you > have any other digital device in your signal chain, you will have > chopped off all that high end stuff first time you hit a digital box or > foot pedal. > ______________________ > Ronan Chris Murphy > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the > art and craft of recording ) > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & > Cher) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 03:37:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CD1F3BEEA; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--369233562 Message-Id: <72906DB7-461A-4C02-83B7-34A5EA807423@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: The Dubharmonics of God Frequencies Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:37:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 58163f07-6de5-11da-a87f-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.43/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:37:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--369233562 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I read about some study that claimed ultra low frequencies make people feel uneasy. It was put forwarded in the article as a possible explanation of haunted places where people feel ill at ease. Really, there might just be earth generated subsonic frequencies in the area. "British scientists have shown in a controlled experiment that the extreme bass sound known as infrasound produces a range of bizarre effects in people including anxiety, extreme sorrow and chills -- supporting popular suggestions of a link between infrasound and strange sensations." http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/09/09/121851.php On Dec 15, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Michael Plishka wrote: > Part of the issue is that stereo perception comes into play. For > example, > when we "hear" frequencies below the threshold of what we consider > audible, > the slight difference of timing of these sounds hitting each ear > will result > in the brain doing its own addition/subtraction between the two > different > signals. The result is that the brain definitely perceives these > sounds and > we react accordingly with ease/unease, pleasure/displeasure, we > know we're > hearing something even if we don't "hear" it. It's this same > capability > that can cause us to feel quite uneasy when we listen to certain > types of > sounds from multiple speaker systems. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:08 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: subharmonics of dog frequencies Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample > rate > > > Cool story about the test! > The theory I read in Tape Op (courtesy of the outspoken audio veteran > Walter Sear) was that we hear the *subharmonics* of these > stratospheric > frequencies, which is why he feels that allegedly ultrasonic info > is still > crucial. > Sounds good to me, but I'm no genius and can't scientifically weigh > in on > this. > ~Tim > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Ronan Chris Murphy >> To: >> Date: 12/15/2005 3:20:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate >> >> >> >>> Then there's the whole argument of higher frequencies not being >>> perceived by the human ear >>> and yet still being perceived somehow... Same with extra low >>> frequencies. Can we hear below 20 >>> Hz? Probably not. Can we perceive below 20 Hz? Hell yes. >>> >>> >> >> True. We can absolutely perceive below 20Hz, I live in LA, and we >> sure >> as hell feel earthquakes! I am actually in the camp that believes >> that >> there is important stuff happening above 20k. There were some test >> (that I was not involved with) where they switched between sine and >> square waves of about 15K, the difference between these two would be >> the addition of an additional frequency well above 20K and the >> subjects >> could here the difference. Scientist are not sure why this is the >> case. It could be bone conduction (basically our skull shaking) or >> intermodulation, meaning the high frequency changes the lower one or >> maybe we can just actually hear that high stuff some how. >> >> But how that applies to a looping instrument, I am not sure there is >> great value in a super high sample rate looper at this point. If you >> have any other digital device in your signal chain, you will have >> chopped off all that high end stuff first time you hit a digital >> box or >> foot pedal. >> ______________________ >> Ronan Chris Murphy >> www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, >> Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) >> www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching >> the >> art and craft of recording ) >> www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & >> Cher) >> > > > > > > > > --Apple-Mail-8--369233562 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
I read about some study = that claimed ultra low frequencies make people feel uneasy. It was put = forwarded in the article as a possible explanation of haunted places = where people feel ill at ease. Really, there might just be earth = generated subsonic frequencies in the area.

"British scientists = have shown in a controlled experiment that the extreme bass sound known = as infrasound produces a range of bizarre effects in people including = anxiety, extreme sorrow and chills -- supporting popular suggestions of = a link between infrasound and strange = sensations."



On Dec 15, 2005, = at 6:26 PM, Michael Plishka wrote:

Part of the issue is that stereo perception comes = into play.=A0 For = example,
when we "hear" frequencies below = the threshold of what we consider audible,
the = slight difference of timing of these sounds hitting each ear will = result
in the brain doing its own = addition/subtraction between the two different
signals.=A0 = The result is that the brain definitely perceives these sounds = and
we react accordingly with = ease/unease, pleasure/displeasure, we know we're
hearing something even if we don't "hear" it.=A0 It's this same = capability
that can cause us to feel quite = uneasy when we listen to certain types of
sounds = from multiple speaker systems.

-----Original = Message-----
From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net= ]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:08 = PM
Subject: subharmonics of dog = frequencies Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample


Cool = story about the test!
The theory I read in Tape = Op (courtesy of the outspoken audio veteran
Walter = Sear) was that we hear the *subharmonics* of these = stratospheric
frequencies, which is why he = feels that allegedly ultrasonic info is still
crucial.
Sounds good = to me, but I'm no genius and can't scientifically weigh in on
this.



[Original Message]
From: Ronan Chris Murphy <looper@venetowest.com>
<= DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">To: <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Date: 12/15/2005 3:20:23 = PM
Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample = rate



=A0=A0 =A0 Then there's the whole = argument of higher frequencies not being
and yet still = being perceived somehow...=A0 = Same with extra low
=A0 Can we = hear below 20
Hz?=A0 Probably not.=A0 Can we perceive below 20 = Hz?=A0 Hell yes.



True. We = can absolutely perceive below 20Hz, I live in LA, and we sure
as hell feel earthquakes! I am actually in the camp = that believes that
there is important stuff = happening above 20k. There were some test
(that I = was not involved with) where they switched between sine and
square waves of about 15K, the difference between = these two would be
the addition of an = additional frequency well above 20K and the subjects
could here the difference.=A0 Scientist are not sure why = this is the
case. It could be bone = conduction (basically our skull shaking) or
maybe we can just actually hear that high stuff = some how.

But how that applies to a looping instrument, I am = not sure there is
great value in a super high = sample rate looper at this point. If you
have any = other digital device in your signal chain, you will have
chopped off all that high end stuff first time you = hit a digital box or
foot pedal.
______________________
Ronan = Chris Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Production = & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,
Steve = Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
art and craft of recording = )
www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient = noise duo since Sonny &
Cher)
=









= --Apple-Mail-8--369233562-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 03:39:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC05E3BEE2; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <01b101c60119$3ffe04e0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01b101c60119$3ffe04e0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A205C23-6A8C-4DB4-829E-710148643BA5@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures / Performance Recordings (new addition from James Sidlo) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:42:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6xgTvD.A.V9G.JcjoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:39:54 +0000 (UTC) I've got other fixes for the pictures situation. I'm just dealing with having been snowed under at work since late October and not having the time to sort 1200 pictures. I just need to figure out how to treat it as a quality assurance task. Yeah. That's the ticket. I guess I know what I'm doing for the holidays. Mark On Dec 14, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I believe the Y2K5 pictures were linked here: http://y2k5.grubmah.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 06:10:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA2FD3BEDE; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=REXsb7XvUSQ/yoHFEEpdp5QZGkQRcaaVEqynhG/VZu52r9kovrRkQCAOb23ybSQo0G96/KOYIGBNJI56K767r2pjOHVaVNkNW+IX+lSN+LasyeM6fbhyHGidKzTqLVb526fdmedh184s/ak5aQy8ykwnKeI/gdAil4XR0Wro5Cs= Message-ID: <64b81a780512152210i5382496bkde12fa9787b4443@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:10:50 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro & MIDI lag In-Reply-To: <94D0D811EF7ADB4271A5B4A8@192.168.1.110> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051215211852.4288.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> <94D0D811EF7ADB4271A5B4A8@192.168.1.110> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the great replies everyone. In this case Bob wins the prize. I failed to mention that between my FCB and the EchoPro lay a bohemoth by the name of Digitech 2120. The lag was apparently in the output of the 2120 as reversing the order of the two devices (FCB->EP->2120) now delivers instantaneous response from the EP. In fact I would have written this message sooner, but I was too busy grooving over a loop in 5/4. Delicious. This has revealed, however a bit of lag in the EP's MIDI THRU to the 2120. I think this will be tolerable, though since all I'm doing is changing patches & flipping the occasional effect on & off. Might be a problem using the FCB's CC pedals on things like wah or whammy, but we'll see. I suppose if it does become irritating I could purchase a dedicated MIDI splitter. Thanks again everyone. I'm now in a new looping bliss with a Boomerang, Vortex, and now a properly responding EchoPro. :) Todd On 12/15/05, Bob Amstadt wrote: > Ok, here is the big question. What is in the complete MIDI chain and how > is everything wired? If the FCB1010 is connected directly to the EchoPro > without any other MIDI devices connected to the two units, does this > problem still exist? If it does, I suspect that something is broken, > because there is no inherent reason why the lag should exist. > > --On Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:18 PM -0800 Luis Angulo > wrote: > > > todd that is strange, i had an echo pro at one point > > which i was controlling with my FCB1010 and as far as > > i remember it worked wonderful with no latency... > > hello midi gurus? > > > > --- Todd Pafford wrote: > > > >> Hey all, > >> > >> With all this talk about latency and recent mention > >> of the Line6 Echo > >> Pro, I thought I'd pose a question to the group. > >> I've noticed that in > >> controlling my Echo Pro with my FCB1010 MIDI pedal, > >> there's a wicked > >> lag for the Echo Pro to respond to MIDI commands. > >> Makes it nearly > >> impossible to set accurate loop points, etc. Has > >> anyone else noticed > >> this with their Echo Pros? Really, I'm just curious > >> as I doubt > >> there's anything that can be done about it. > >> > >> Todd > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 06:28:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36BD83BEF1; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:28:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Stephen, > Seems to me like you wouldn't be able to distinguish a sawtooth from a sine from a > square wave if you only sampled at twice the highest frequency. Surely sound waves are always sine waves? The electronic pulse that generates the sound may be square or triangular or sawtooth or whatever, but the actual sound that comes out of a loudspeaker or musical instrument is always a sine wave. Or rather a multitude of sine waves superimposed on each other as fundamentals and harmonics. The sound reflections of room ambience are again just a whole bunch more little sine waves. So a sampler, even if it only has two points on a wave, can still 'guess' the full waveform as it will always be a sine. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 08:16:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AF343BEE4; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <0E00A8FF-1AEB-41D7-B40E-B4F175F22761@zoekeating.com> References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@192.168.1.110> <5E65FB3D-7E71-4099-A9A1-6CCE40A3CB36@zoekeating.com> <0E00A8FF-1AEB-41D7-B40E-B4F175F22761@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7b1bbc56df45c98cfde7f346aab94b81@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:16:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:16:26 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:00 AM, Zoe Keating wrote: > - Compression of the cello tone. It always sounds to me as though the > upper layers of harmonics get "stripped" once it is recorded. The more > layers I add, the more "squashed" and un-cello like it sounds. > Sometime this is good and I like to play with it, yes. i noticed quite a bit of difference in my sound when i went from the Repeater to the PCM-80 for looping. i've been pumping the same Z1 sawtooth patch into loopers for over 5 years now and each one of them sounds different. the PCM-80 is the one that's had the finest audio quality so far. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 08:20:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C1F13BEF3; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAAUGokOCFIU2AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051216080754.0283b0f0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:16:59 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate In-Reply-To: <20051215162503.8DB533BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051215162503.8DB533BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:20:19 +0000 (UTC) >The way I understand this is that with 2 points you can find the >"sine equation" at this limit frequency. >As you don't hear the harmonics, it doesn't matter if its a sine, a >square or a saw, you just hear the first harmonic anyway. >I guess it's a bit simplist but ... > >Ben. Hi Ben, that's exactly the argument we were given when the cd format was introduced. Of course, with only 2 points per period you don't get any information about phase, which is essential for audio reproduction :-( andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 08:37:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C23D3BEF8; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.240.122] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looperlative thoughts Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:37:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 08:37:17.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC540660:01C6021B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:37:33 +0000 (UTC) >>anybody think of some other controllers that might do a good job? >I'm thinking the Faderfox LV-1 ( http://www.faderfox.de ) would make a nice >compact desktop control unit -- eight faders, plus plenty of knobs & >switches, crossfader, joystick controller, etc. nice one! now what could i use the joystick for...?! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 08:45:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 004CF3BEFE; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:45:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAAUGokOCFA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051216082044.027f43d0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:41:52 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Vortex, digital connections, Trower flange In-Reply-To: <20051215173633.6C5643BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051215173633.6C5643BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:45:32 +0000 (UTC) At 17:36 15/12/05, you wrote: >"Also be aware that you're missing out on the undelayed analog dry signal >by using the digi conectors." > >It's VERY possible that I misunderstood you and am totally missing the >point ;-) >All Confused, >Tim Sorry Tim, I should explain better. You still get the dry part of the sound, but it has to pass through the digital domain, which will introduce some delay. Obviously the spdif path you have there is good for the wet part of your sound, as your missing out on converting to analog and back again. Meanwhile, the dry part gets converted to digital and back, which will add a small delay. If the VF-1 and MPX-500 have capability to pass the dry signal part of your sound through themselves without converting to digital and back again then that may actually sound better, particularly if you want to bypass the fx. If a) you're not getting a delay(=latency) on the dry signal b) it sounds good as it is then really it's worth ignoring all this techy nitpicking :-) >P.S.--Can the Vortex be persuaded to generate an MXR-style classic-rock >non-swoosh flange a la Killing Joke's "A Love Like Blood" or Trower's "Day >of the Eagle"? Or Frank Marino circa 1977? I cannot get anything close to >this sound on my VF-1 or my MPX-500, lovely as they are. I don't know those tracks, but to get rid of the swoosh turn down the Resonance controls. The Vortex modulators don't all sound the same, so it might be worth trying to start from a couple of different presets to see how close each gets toi the sound you want. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 08:53:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE0053BEF0; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: looperlative thoughts Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:53:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:53:22 +0000 (UTC) On 16 dec 2005, at 09.37, simeon harris wrote: >>> anybody think of some other controllers that might do a good job? > >> I'm thinking the Faderfox LV-1 ( http://www.faderfox.de ) would =20 >> make a nice compact desktop control unit -- eight faders, plus =20 >> plenty of knobs & switches, crossfader, joystick controller, etc. > > nice one! > > now what could i use the joystick for...?! I have a Faderfox LV-1 and I always use it when playing live (with a =20 looping context). Since I started using M=F6bius very often I also got =20= interested in picking up the other module, the one with buttons only, =20= but it's sold out. Says something about the popularity of these =20 controllers. I can't imagine what to use the joystick for with a Looperlative, but =20= I'm gladly using it here with beat synced LFO filtering. The Tremolo =20 plug-in of Live5 is one example; mapping depth to the X-axis and =20 tempo division to the Y-axis. I also plan to use that joystick for my =20= external hardware analog filter bank (AKAI MFC42) but this calls for =20 real-time MIDI conversion software (Logic, Max) because you can not =20 rearrange the MIDI control bindings of the AKAI filter. In general, =20 anything you use with two main parameters is cool with the joys-=20 stick. Oh, I almost forgot... that joystick comes in very handy with =20 anything done in Numerolgoy. I just wish I had three of them (LV-1) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 09:01:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CF833BEF1; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <72906DB7-461A-4C02-83B7-34A5EA807423@zoekeating.com> References: <72906DB7-461A-4C02-83B7-34A5EA807423@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8235D39B-1CF0-4072-94B2-14EED52E923D@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Dubharmonics of God Frequencies Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:01:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:01:29 +0000 (UTC) On 16 dec 2005, at 04.37, Zoe Keating wrote: > I read about some study that claimed ultra low frequencies make > people feel uneasy. It was put forwarded in the article as a > possible explanation of haunted places where people feel ill at > ease. Really, there might just be earth generated subsonic > frequencies in the area. I think this has been known since the first sky scraper buildings started to generate infra noise on windy days. Especially employees working at the higher floors showed a sickness curve closely related to "windy whether". "Evil" infra noise can also emanate from highways carrying heavy traffic of huge vehicles. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 11:48:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A52933BEE1; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026701c60236$b66faf20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: TheBrokenMusicBox: an online looping experiment Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:49:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:48:58 +0000 (UTC) I discovered a very cool free sample site last night http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/ run coincidentally by my friend Bram who is one of the freeware plugin developers at the marvelous SmartElectronix.com collective. One of the interesting things about the site is that you can preview the free samples there by either triggering them as a one shot or by hitting a loop button and then triggering them as a continuous loop. I was searching for toy piano, music box, old wheezy organ and out of tune piano samples because, hey, I'm weird and so I found a sample pack of Toy Music Box samples. Much to my delight I discovered that I could improv on the site by turning the loops of the individual Music Box notes on and off. I also discovered that I could run as many loops as I felt like it in real time. So the tune is in the spirit of the real time looping (in this case using my mouse and my computer only) It's called "The Broken Music Box" and if you are curious, below is the process I used to improvised the piece. It's free to download and hear at www.looppool.info/TheBrokenMusicBox/ I hope you like it. ************** Here's a description of my unconventional process: I used the preview looping capabilties of the FREESOUND site to do an improv with all of the toy music box samples...............looping and turning on and off the various samples, running simultaneously............I recorded this improv in real time into Sound Forge. Then I took that improv and played it back in real time as I used the mouse to grab the moving cursor and manipulate it in ways that screwed up the computer (I even crashed it with the blue screen of death once...........I'm never even seen a blue screen as long as I've run Win XP.............lol). I love this technique for confusing the computer while playing back in Sound Forge. all of this I recorded into Cool Edit Pro (because Sound Forge won't allow multiple instances to run simultaneously. I took the results and then basically just slashed sections out of it until I like the final result..................then I threw it into Fruity Loops and played with speed of play back and triggering heavily verbed instances of the tracks: sometimes synchonously, sometimes not. Next, I tried to think of what Ravel would do to the piece if he were alive today and I wrote the String parts in Fruity Loops. Everything I did with a mouse and the computer. It's sort of neo classical/glitch music and is pretty outside of the mainstream but I'm really happy with it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 12:00:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C69823BEE2; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <031301c60238$4222f850$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: The Dubharmonics of God Frequencies Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:00:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:00:01 +0000 (UTC) I also heard years ago that high volumes of truly subsonic frequencies would make people deficate involuntarily. I know one thing......................the so called 'J' wave or subsonic wave that precedes a large earthquake by a few milliseconds was absolutely terrifying during the big earthquake of 1989 in Santa Cruz. My wife and I were about 5 miles from the epicenter at a very crowded outdoor coffee shop when that wave came through. Talk about the Dubharmonics of God!!!!! It was so frightening. Of course, the collapsing buildings, exploding plate glass windows and screaming, panicky people didn't help the situation at the time either). I love bass and especially subsonic bass but I never want to hear that sound again. Ever! r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 13:40:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 337DB3BEEA; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.240.121] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43A1F173.9020001@addcom.de> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looperlative thoughts Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:40:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 13:40:53.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[5575D630:01C60246] Resent-Message-ID: <3TAxQB.A.3FF.mPsoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:40:55 +0000 (UTC) >Steve Lawson wrote: >>(sorry, there won't be a feature that allows you to midi up your eyeballs >>to operate the loops just by looking at foxy peoples in the audience), > >There was just a post to the maxlist which shows that exactly that is >possible. Eyetracking with Max to create some weird Midi control for your >loops... >I doubt that it would work live on stage though, the project was aimed at >interactiv installation work. > >Stefan what about controlling it with your brainwaves!!! http://www.ibva.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 14:36:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 012BA3BEF5; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A2D132.4000805@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:37:38 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: No Galactic Travels Last Night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, Due to an unfortunate ice storm last night, the roads were not passable for me to get to the WDIY studios in order to present Galactic Travels. I will return to the air next week. Best regards, Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 16:56:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71D073BEE2; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:56:14 EST Subject: Re: the FOURTH NIGHT: Bernhard Wagners' beautiful new CD reviewed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1134752174" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <6R7LWD.A.FHE._GvoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:56:31 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1134752174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really dig "The Fourth Night". The first song is so "cruising the European counrtyside". But the whole cd is just so beautiful!! Well done Bernard!! James -------------------------------1134752174 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really dig "The Fourth Night". The first song is so "cruising the Europ= ean counrtyside". But the whole cd is just so beautiful!! Well done Bernard!= ! James -------------------------------1134752174-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 17:32:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74B203BED5; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Nyquist Frequency Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:33:57 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c60266$e53f04b0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Jon, (in my following ramblings, I will only talk about pure sine waves if not mentioned otherwise. Also, I'm talking about theory, not about real converters or other real devices): > Stephen - It is my understanding that the Nyquist theorum actually > specifies the theoretical maximum frequency that can be represented with a > digital signal. It says nothing of the quality of that representation. > There's a key issue that makes the nyquist theorum all important to the A/D > conversion process - frequencies higher than the Nyquist freq. will manifest > themselves in the resultant digital signal as much lower frequency noise. > That noise is basically garbage and is nearly unpredictable. Frequencies higher than the Nyquist frequencie will come out as a so-called alias at a lower frequency (and incidentally, also at higher frequencies). But not as noise, but as a pure sine wave. This signal is predictable. > Furthermore, frequencies that are close to but still less than the Nyquist > frequency will be represented, however the amplitude of the representation > will vary over time based on the _difference_ in frequencies. How much the > output varies in amplitude is a more complex equasion - important thing is > that frequencies close to the Nyquist freq. (even though they are still less > than) will be VERY distorted but will still be represented "perfectly > in-tune". Example: 48KHz digital A/D converter could capture a 23KHz pure > sine wave, and output a 23KHz sine wave whose amplitude varies at 1Khz - you > would hear that 1Khz signal for sure! Frequencies below Nyquist come through without any change. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 19:41:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B08CB3BEDF; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5whSHIlJ7qq+UsibKgJgjPEXIO5X+53QmULome4iptTlTrJxoy2hPwkST37O/aUENGBmhi1ASMuOxkJVqmL5fsZDaMb+tHsp6D/7nn0vkbIRuAO3VB80Jr8XyFZRP++IxIk0ZnxjO4H/zfQ29dqC6Tx4aOJzBzTPuMeyufkF9uI= ; Message-ID: <20051216194102.87615.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:41:02 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: The Dubharmonics of God Frequencies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <72906DB7-461A-4C02-83B7-34A5EA807423@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1487593278-1134762062=:85356" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:41:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-1487593278-1134762062=:85356 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit just stay away from the brown note...especially in a loop context the results could be catastrophic. hehehe...*<{,':-}) danny... psuedo/scary visionary Zoe Keating wrote: I read about some study that claimed ultra low frequencies make people feel uneasy. It was put forwarded in the article as a possible explanation of haunted places where people feel ill at ease. Really, there might just be earth generated subsonic frequencies in the area. "British scientists have shown in a controlled experiment that the extreme bass sound known as infrasound produces a range of bizarre effects in people including anxiety, extreme sorrow and chills -- supporting popular suggestions of a link between infrasound and strange sensations." http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/09/09/121851.php On Dec 15, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Michael Plishka wrote: Part of the issue is that stereo perception comes into play. For example, when we "hear" frequencies below the threshold of what we consider audible, the slight difference of timing of these sounds hitting each ear will result in the brain doing its own addition/subtraction between the two different signals. The result is that the brain definitely perceives these sounds and we react accordingly with ease/unease, pleasure/displeasure, we know we're hearing something even if we don't "hear" it. It's this same capability that can cause us to feel quite uneasy when we listen to certain types of sounds from multiple speaker systems. -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: subharmonics of dog frequencies Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Cool story about the test! The theory I read in Tape Op (courtesy of the outspoken audio veteran Walter Sear) was that we hear the *subharmonics* of these stratospheric frequencies, which is why he feels that allegedly ultrasonic info is still crucial. Sounds good to me, but I'm no genius and can't scientifically weigh in on this. ~Tim [Original Message] From: Ronan Chris Murphy To: Date: 12/15/2005 3:20:23 PM Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Then there's the whole argument of higher frequencies not being perceived by the human ear and yet still being perceived somehow... Same with extra low frequencies. Can we hear below 20 Hz? Probably not. Can we perceive below 20 Hz? Hell yes. True. We can absolutely perceive below 20Hz, I live in LA, and we sure as hell feel earthquakes! I am actually in the camp that believes that there is important stuff happening above 20k. There were some test (that I was not involved with) where they switched between sine and square waves of about 15K, the difference between these two would be the addition of an additional frequency well above 20K and the subjects could here the difference. Scientist are not sure why this is the case. It could be bone conduction (basically our skull shaking) or intermodulation, meaning the high frequency changes the lower one or maybe we can just actually hear that high stuff some how. But how that applies to a looping instrument, I am not sure there is great value in a super high sample rate looper at this point. If you have any other digital device in your signal chain, you will have chopped off all that high end stuff first time you hit a digital box or foot pedal. ______________________ Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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just stay away from the brown note...especially in a loop context
the results could be catastrophic.
hehehe...*<{,':-})   danny... psuedo/scary visionary

Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> wrote:
I read about some study that claimed ultra low frequencies make people feel uneasy. It was put forwarded in the article as a possible explanation of haunted places where people feel ill at ease. Really, there might just be earth generated subsonic frequencies in the area.

"British scientists have shown in a controlled experiment that the extreme bass sound known as infrasound produces a range of bizarre effects in people including anxiety, extreme sorrow and chills -- supporting popular suggestions of a link between infrasound and strange sensations."



On Dec 15, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Michael Plishka wrote:

Part of the issue is that stereo perception comes into play.  For example,
when we "hear" frequencies below the threshold of what we consider audible,
the slight difference of timing of these sounds hitting each ear will result
in the brain doing its own addition/subtraction between the two different
signals.  The result is that the brain definitely perceives these sounds and
we react accordingly with ease/unease, pleasure/displeasure, we know we're
hearing something even if we don't "hear" it.  It's this same capability
that can cause us to feel quite uneasy when we listen to certain types of
sounds from multiple speaker systems.

-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: subharmonics of dog frequencies Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample
rate


Cool story about the test!
The theory I read in Tape Op (courtesy of the outspoken audio veteran
Walter Sear) was that we hear the *subharmonics* of these stratospheric
frequencies, which is why he feels that allegedly ultrasonic info is still
crucial.
Sounds good to me, but I'm no genius and can't scientifically weigh in on
this.
~Tim



[Original Message]
From: Ronan Chris Murphy <looper@venetowest.com>
Date: 12/15/2005 3:20:23 PM
Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate



     Then there's the whole argument of higher frequencies not being
perceived by the human ear
and yet still being perceived somehow...  Same with extra low
frequencies.  Can we hear below 20
Hz?  Probably not.  Can we perceive below 20 Hz?  Hell yes.



True. We can absolutely perceive below 20Hz, I live in LA, and we sure
as hell feel earthquakes! I am actually in the camp that believes that
there is important stuff happening above 20k. There were some test
(that I was not involved with) where they switched between sine and
square waves of about 15K, the difference between these two would be
the addition of an additional frequency well above 20K and the subjects
could here the difference.  Scientist are not sure why this is the
case. It could be bone conduction (basically our skull shaking) or
intermodulation, meaning the high frequency changes the lower one or
maybe we can just actually hear that high stuff some how.

But how that applies to a looping instrument, I am not sure there is
great value in a super high sample rate looper at this point. If you
have any other digital device in your signal chain, you will have
chopped off all that high end stuff first time you hit a digital box or
foot pedal.
______________________
Ronan Chris Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,
Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the
art and craft of recording )
www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &
Cher)











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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1487593278-1134762062=:85356-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 19:54:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB5033BEEA; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=21wb1WjrPob/Pg7fWW0cVhNooPffTD7w6iKhKGpDjE/EBgo37nWjtlL1yT/KlILoCdusJ9MkJDoyVto6l75n7x0XKJToklzsqAzNtsOLer5dnCEV38HLfcrn4NfNsB7O6PDDnROVuZeSo7rrJx3U5kA2wO6zSMZWaCNMApVPBmo= ; Message-ID: <20051216195446.6740.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:54:46 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Sampling rate To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051215221930.D5F103BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Jon for a very informative and well written post. I learned more this morning than I have all month. Ian brought up an interested point about "it's all sine waves anyway" which I'll have to ponder some more. I understand the basic implication, though it don't look like sine waves on my screen... I realize that many different sine waves added together will look quite different, the question is whether or not the circuitry and DAC see it as many sine waves or one very complex wave. R.Chris Murphy questions my understanding of sampling theory, as well he should. :) However I still think we are talking about the same thing using slightly different languages. If we are sampling at 44,100 Hz, then a 100 Hz wave will be represented by 441 "snapshots". Likewise, a 10,000 Hz wave will be represented by 4.41 snapshots. I am just wondering out loud if 4.41 snapshots is enough to offer 10kHz with enough accuracy, regardless of the bit depth. Please be aware that I'm not arguing anything here, it's quite a bit over my head. Just trying to understand whether or not I'm thinking straight. The other information about high quality converters being more important than bit depth and sampling frequency is quite interesting. I bow to your vast experience in this area. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:04:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F2DA3BEF3; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: the perfect [sic] controller Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:04:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:04:07 +0000 (UTC) >>>> anybody think of some other controllers that might do a good job? I can build to spec. Granted I can't (and won't) compete with Behringer or anyone mass producing for consumer market pricing. That's just not possible for me. There have been a few off list discussions that have come up since my intro post so i am bringing this up here for the masses. If the loopers collectively could agree on a specific optimum design for a controller, I could look into making runs of at least 50 units, which would dramatically lower the price. Potentially this could be done individually for the EDP, RPTR, etc.. and perhaps someday the looperlative (fingers crossed for you, it sounds cool so far, i will surely take it for a spin at NAMM). Sort of like a 'Loopers-Delight Edition". I know that agreeing is one of the hardest things for humans, especially musicians, especially scientific-thinking musicians (see current debate on the nyquist frequency and sampling rates) But it's just a thought to be tossed around for now. I'm afraid I have very little consumable documentation on the devices I have built, but I am trying to track things down and get pictures and videos of them. http://rocknrollmachines.com I already have MY perfect controller. Took me a long time to narrow the options and features, but I am very happy with it now. For my looping performances I use a guitar with midi pickup and a pretty deep Max/MSP patch I've been hammering on for a long time. Here is a breakdown of the hardware and what it does........ Four human interface elements. It's a guitar, a small tabletop controller, a floor controller built into a nice metal briefcase, and also a TINY JLCooper faderbaby for level controls. The guitar outputs several things - Standard 1/4" output from magnetic pickups, Hexaphonic output from the piezos (used for both acoustic tone and conversion to MIDI), and a separate midi output for the built-in controller. The Max patch is basically a 6 channel delay line enabling me to loop anywhere from a 64th note to 64 bars. It is compatible with any time signature with 4, 8, or 16 on the bottom. There are also sources within the patch, one for drums sounds, one for guitar processing, one for sampled sounds, one for synth sounds. and now for the hardware.... floorbox - 6 footswitches with BiColor indicator LEDs and 4 expression pedals the 6 switches enable the 6 loops. the 4 expression pedals are reassigned to many parameters by faders on the JLCopper. One pedal is always a crossfader between the guitar tone and the synth (controlled by the guitar) so i can rock back and forth between Jimi Hendrix and Jan Hammer. tabletop- 7 knobs, 9 momentary pushbuttons 2 switches 6 knobs are for the loop time in bars, (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64) 6 momentary push buttons act as operator switchers, when pushed the 4 bar looptime becomes 1/4. This is how i get down to 64ths. because i am using a delay line i am able to drop in something like a 16th note roll and it will become part of the larger 16 bar loop. the other knob, switches and buttons are top secret. (hint - i can do triplets and dotted values, and random numbers are involved in some other things) built-into the guitar - 3 knobs, 7 switches, 5 velo sensitive triggers pads 3 of the switches and the 3 CC knobs are set to parameters of the guitar processor and the synth vst. the other 4 switches control what sounds will come out when i play the trigger pads on the face of the guitar. Pretty simple, once you pick it up and noodle for 5 minutes, but it took me a long time to get it to this usable stage. I'm also finally getting used to using this without the computer in sight, I hope to rackmount a mac mini or something to avoid having the powerbook on stage. A major part of getting to that point was being sure that all the necessary parameters were given place for visual feedback on the hardware. What would YOUR perfect controller have? - b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:13:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B20933BEDC; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.77.64.30] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <104356265a05267960539881aa2d426a@venetowest.com> <8d3cb362718f7080254e40f60f6e89bf@venetowest.com> Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:13:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:13:49 +0000 (UTC) I think you're mixing up waveforms and envelopes here A hand clap is a burst of white(ish) noise with a fast attack and decay. It is not a square wave. Gareth However.... a square wave can excite all kinds of > frequencies which are not harmonics if other things in the system have a > resonance. An example: hitting a curb with your car. This is like a > square wave for the suspension system - but your car will bounce at the > resonant frequency of the suspension. I use square waves all the time in > physical systems to excite and find resonances. Another example more > related to audio is when a sound engineer will walk around the room and > clap. The clap is an pressure wave impulse (sound)very similar to a > square wave and will excite resonances in the room that the engineer can > then listen for. > >> Something that contains all frequencies is called "noise". White noise >> contains all those frequencies evenly. > > right again! > > Jon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:21:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B38023BED5; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.77.64.30] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:21:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:21:08 +0000 (UTC) If you're sending a square wave into a speaker, the speaker will attenpt, (not very succesfully) to push itself in and out without any in-between values. No sampler can "guess" a sine wave from a square. How would it know that you wanted a sine wave? Think of sines and squares as just different shapes.Your speaker cone will try to "draw" the shapes in the air. Gareth > Surely sound waves are always sine waves? The electronic pulse that > generates the > sound may be square or triangular or sawtooth or whatever, but the actual > sound that > comes out of a loudspeaker or musical instrument is always a sine wave. Or > rather a > multitude of sine waves superimposed on each other as fundamentals and > harmonics. The > sound reflections of room ambience are again just a whole bunch more > little sine > waves. So a sampler, even if it only has two points on a wave, can still > 'guess' the > full waveform as it will always be a sine. > > -- > > Ian Petersen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:25:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 608F73BEFF; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:26:25 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Re/Re: looping on NPR... / It's excellent! (Looper's Compilation Vol.3) In-reply-to: <02d601c5ffca$1aa33f30$040a0a0a@fabio> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02c501c6027e$fca64dd0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ZtK1e6pypDQa3WHFR/QOeg)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:25:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ZtK1e6pypDQa3WHFR/QOeg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Nice job, Zoe. Well done. Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re/Re: looping on NPR... / It's excellent! (Looper's Compilation Vol.3) I've listen to the samples of the LD vol. 3 and I have to say that I really like the first track played by Zoe K. and can't wait till I got the CD to hear it completely. Sunao couldn't choose a best track, as the first track, like this ! Zoe, maybe it's my classic background, but after listening to the live performance at NPR I have to say that I really like your musical taste and approach. My compliments ! Per, I'm completely agree with your opinion about the variety of this CD and the interest that It can have even for a non looping audience. Different approachs, tastes, technics, and voice-instruments give pleasure to my ears, too. Fabio http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: looping on NPR... hi loopers, i recorded a live segment last week at NPR that is playing today on the show Day to Day. i brought my Repeater down to the studio and gave a short live looping demo. i haven't heard it yet, so i don't know how it came out! but the story is below: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5046348 --Boundary_(ID_ZtK1e6pypDQa3WHFR/QOeg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message

Nice job, Zoe. Well done.
 
 
Best wishes,
Warren Sirota
-----Original Message-----
From: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:47 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re/Re: looping on NPR... / It's excellent! (Looper's Compilation Vol.3)

I've listen to the samples of the LD vol. 3
and I have to say that I really like the first track played by Zoe K.
 and can't wait till I got the CD to hear it completely.
Sunao couldn't choose a best track, as the first track, like this !
 
Zoe, maybe it's my classic background, but after listening to the
live performance at NPR I have to say that I really like
your musical taste and approach.
My compliments !
 
Per, I'm completely agree with your opinion about
the variety of this CD and the interest that It can have
even for a non looping audience.
Different approachs, tastes, technics, and voice-instruments
give pleasure to my ears, too.
 
Fabio
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:03 PM
Subject: looping on NPR...

hi loopers, 

i recorded a live segment last week at NPR that is playing today on the show Day to Day. i brought my Repeater down to the studio and gave a short live looping demo. i haven't heard it yet, so i don't know how it came out! but the story is below:



--Boundary_(ID_ZtK1e6pypDQa3WHFR/QOeg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:25:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 329393BF04; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:26:25 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: two bits of news, one loopy and one not. In-reply-to: <26ba8d120512150753w4305fcd3k8eb8e05846fd305b@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02ca01c6027e$fd354760$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations on both of these. Good luck on the gallery. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com > [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ritchford > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:53 AM > To: Loopers-Delight > Subject: two bits of news, one loopy and one not. > > > [loopy] > > I hope that you will be happy to hear that I'm buying into a > gallery in Williamsburg, Brooklyn and thus the open loop > sessions will be restarting as a regular show, every two > weeks, starting in the New Year. > > > > [non-loopy] > > You might be wondering what I've been doing with almost all > my time for the last few months... it turns out that I've > been working on Google Music Search which just launched a > couple of hours ago (with a few heart-stopping hitches at the > last minute...) > > http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/12/15/busi ness/20051215140522&sec=business eg: http://www.google.com/search?q=butthole+surfers&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&cl ient=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official http://www.google.com/search?hs=3Um&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozil la%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=the+orb&btnG=Search Please note that I only came in in the last couple of months on this -- someone else has been brewing this for a lot longer. Still, I am proud and happy to be involved with it. -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:25:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BFA73BF0D; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.77.64.30] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <20051215162503.8DB533BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051216080754.0283b0f0@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:25:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <00x2RB.A.K6C.zKyoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Your "sqareised" sine will have the same phase as the original. Phase is a result of positive/negative bias plus the zero crossings which would also be in the same place. Gareth > > Hi Ben, that's exactly the argument we were given when the cd format was > introduced. > Of course, with only 2 points per period you don't get any information > about phase, which is essential for audio reproduction :-( > > andy butler > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:33:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 697A23BEDE; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: the perfect [sic] controller Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:32:03 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c6027f$c6dbbef0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcYCfVXNKKFiPq8TRpq6MRKi87CmEgAAa1Ng X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:31:20 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.76.18 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Brian Cass wrote, > If the loopers collectively could agree on a specific optimum > design for a controller, I could look into making runs of at > least 50 units, which would dramatically lower the price. > Potentially this could be done individually for the EDP, > RPTR, etc.. and perhaps someday the looperlative (fingers > crossed for you, it sounds cool so far, i will surely take it > for a spin at NAMM). Sort of like a 'Loopers-Delight > Edition". I'd love to have something that would be small and light (smaller and lighter than the Behringer, possibly foldable or something) and that would be custom made to especially control the EDP, including its more exotic features. Now, as Brian wrote, if the midi gurus on this list (I don't belong to them) could try to develop and agree on a specification ... that would be just great. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:35:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5924D3BEFB; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:36:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c60280$63431d10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2dwQKD.A.5FD.2TyoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:35:03 +0000 (UTC) I think of squares as superposition of sines. -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: gareth.whitcock [mailto:gareth.whitcock@ntlworld.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Dezember 2005 21:21 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate If you're sending a square wave into a speaker, the speaker will attenpt,=20 (not very succesfully) to push itself in and out without any in-between values. No sampler can "guess"=20 a sine wave from a square. How would it know that you wanted a sine wave? Think of sines and squares as=20 just different shapes.Your speaker cone will try to "draw" the shapes in the air. Gareth > Surely sound waves are always sine waves? The electronic pulse that > generates the > sound may be square or triangular or sawtooth or whatever, but the actual=20 > sound that > comes out of a loudspeaker or musical instrument is always a sine wave. Or=20 > rather a > multitude of sine waves superimposed on each other as fundamentals and > harmonics. The > sound reflections of room ambience are again just a whole bunch more=20 > little sine > waves. So a sampler, even if it only has two points on a wave, can still=20 > 'guess' the > full waveform as it will always be a sine. > > -- > > Ian Petersen > > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:37:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E1E83BEF4; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-19--308077356 Message-Id: <035e034a01b8d12048bda31673fb2389@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: OT: Recording workshop Spam. Terry Bozzio Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:37:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:37:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-19--308077356 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I am working on my new album and part of it is a series of guitar loop and drum/percussion based works I am doing with drummer Terry Bozzio. I also run a series of recording education workshops called Home Recording Boot Camp, and Terry has agreed to help me out with one of those before we start recording together. So my 5 day recording workshop in Los Angeles January 23 -27 (just after NAMM) will feature a full day of working in the studio with Terry Bozzio experimenting with micing his legendary giant drum kit. http://www.homerecordingbootcamp.com/bozzio/ I hope this is not too bad of spam for this list, just thought it might be interesting to any recording geeks here. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-19--308077356 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I am working on my new album and part of it is a series of guitar loop and drum/percussion based works I am doing with drummer Terry Bozzio. 0000,0000,0000 I also run a series of recording education workshops called Home Recording Boot Camp, and Terry has agreed to help me out with one of those before we start recording together. So my 5 day recording workshop in Los Angeles January 23 -27 (just after NAMM) will feature a full day of working in the studio with Terry Bozzio experimenting with micing his legendary giant drum kit. http://www.homerecordingbootcamp.com/bozzio/ I hope this is not too bad of spam for this list, just thought it might be interesting to any recording geeks here. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-19--308077356-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:42:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5561E3BEFC; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uXPskTpoe0L4zOHv31IeALhmzmILIEjIr8v3BMwc4Jjgpxs3GJdkqv1qSQ8lr+EWYAILe/keUSWb68n8yD5rrH6BjiaPTe+FCOGFBHTX2aWEt6OIOtchYbxyVg6fLlBHWrXdZLwoO/YLvUgVdqdtUTdSe5uNdVFcrd501hHPyxs= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:42:02 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the perfect [sic] controller In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <5o2Sc.A.fTD.cayoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:42:04 +0000 (UTC) I dunno--we're pretty busy trying to agree on the difference between a sine and a square wave. Once that's settled, the perfect looper MIDI controller spec will be forthcoming... TravisH On 12/16/05, Brian Cass wrote: > > If the loopers collectively could agree on a specific optimum design > for a controller, I could look into making runs of at least 50 units, > which would dramatically lower the price. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:58:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7C083BEDB; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:04:29 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate To: Message-id: <006101c60284$4e90f820$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051213194611.71492.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FD087EDA9641F5E08EB659@[192.168.1.110]> <003201c60046$2da470a0$e188a344@hppav> <004401c6010d$3ea15180$0affff0a@hppav> <98d2bfc68a1ab8f59d4d14b92b8d01c5@venetowest.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:58:01 +0000 (UTC) What originally prompted the thought is knowing what a difference 196K converters used in Pacific Microsonics HDCD mastering decks make to music that was originally recorded at lower sampling rates. The extra "space" and room between the instruments is really quite amazing. One thing that has become clear to me from all the very interesting dialog about sampling rates - the higher the sampling rate, the greater the fidelity. Now we know why. This is why I am encouraging the use of higher sampling rates on the LP1, if possible. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronan Chris Murphy" To: Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:57 AM Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate > > > Well, I'd definitely be interested in less sample/loop time to secure > > higher > > sampling rates up to 192kbps! From what I read, the Looperlative has > > lots > > of memory. I imagine heat and power consumption may become issues... > > I think you might be confusing straight PCM digital audio sample rates > and MP3 conversion rates. The current sample rate of Looperlative is > 48k (48,000 samples per second) which is already higher than a > commercial CD (although I would vote for it being the same a commercial > CD). This in theory should reproduce frequencies up to 24 kilohertz > already. To put that into some perspective most guitar cabinets start > to roll off around 8k. Ignoring for the valid arguments about bone > conduction etc, its pretty safe to say that any guy that has been in a > rock band for a few years do not hear much about 15k, and even those of > us that have taken pretty good care of our ears do not really hear much > about 20k, if even that. > > A sampling rate of 192k would reproduce frequencies up to about 96k, > beyond what a dog could hear. as a live performance tool I would gladly > take the extra time ('cuase I am one of those long droney loopers ;-) > > ________________ > Ronan Chris Murphy > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the > art and craft of recording ) > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & > Cher) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 20:59:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B7193BF0B; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:06:07 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Recording workshop Spam. Terry Bozzio To: Message-id: <007001c60284$88b5eb00$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C6025A.9F62C3C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <035e034a01b8d12048bda31673fb2389@venetowest.com> Resent-Message-ID: <10vjR.A.RIE.0qyoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:59:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C6025A.9F62C3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about two very high-end tube mics warmed up for about 4 hours and = placed about 10 feet away? :-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ronan Chris Murphy=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:37 PM Subject: OT: Recording workshop Spam. Terry Bozzio I am working on my new album and part of it is a series of guitar loop = and drum/percussion based works I am doing with drummer Terry Bozzio.=20 I also run a series of recording education workshops called Home = Recording Boot Camp, and Terry has agreed to help me out with one of = those before we start recording together. So my 5 day recording workshop = in Los Angeles January 23 -27 (just after NAMM) will feature a full day = of working in the studio with Terry Bozzio experimenting with micing his = legendary giant drum kit. http://www.homerecordingbootcamp.com/bozzio/ I hope this is not too bad of spam for this list, just thought it = might be interesting to any recording geeks here. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, = Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the = art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & = Cher) ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C6025A.9F62C3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How about two very high-end tube mics = warmed up for=20 about 4 hours and placed about 10 feet away?  :-)
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ronan Chris=20 Murphy
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 = 3:37=20 PM
Subject: OT: Recording workshop = Spam.=20 Terry Bozzio

I am working on my new album and part of it is a series = of=20 guitar loop and drum/percussion based works I am doing with drummer = Terry=20 Bozzio.

I also run a series of=20 recording education workshops called Home Recording = Boot Camp,=20 and Terry has agreed to help me out with one of those before we start=20 recording together. So my 5 day recording workshop in Los Angeles = January 23=20 -27 (just after NAMM) will feature a full day of working in the studio = with=20 Terry Bozzio experimenting with micing his legendary giant drum=20 = kit.

http://www.homerecordingbootcamp.com/bozzio/

I=20 hope this is not too bad of spam for this list, just thought it might = be=20 interesting to any recording geeks here.


Ronan = Chris=20 Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, = Chucho=20 Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, = CGT...)
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www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since = Sonny &=20 Cher) ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C6025A.9F62C3C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 21:05:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2231D3BF00; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <000601c60280$63431d10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:05:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 21:05:45.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B63BB30:01C60284] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:05:47 +0000 (UTC) this might help clear a few things up about square waves versus sine waves: http://cnx.rice.edu/content/m0041/latest/ Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 21:33:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 269083BF0F; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:33:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:38 +0100 From: numbernine@gmx.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1232687279.20051216223238@gmx.net> To: LD Subject: Re[2]: the perfect [sic] controller In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:33:00 +0000 (UTC) I would like to know how much noise different foot controllers make. I sometimes play small concerts at an acoustic volume level and my Nobels controller is too noisy for me. http://www.thomann.de/nobels_mf2_prodinfo.html ...even though I have put some rubber underneath the buttons and damped the metal housing with rubber. It seems most of the floorbords are built for guitar players (does this mean they are built for a guitar player next to a bass player next to a drummer on a huge stage?) It seems there are 3 types of buttons in all floorboards I have found on the net. A like mine (see above) B like the Behringer FCB1010 C like eg. the RS10 http://www.customaudioelectronics.com/rs-10_midi_foot_controller.htm Did anybody compare the clicking noises of the buttons yet? I really like the guitar rig2 controller: http://tinyurl.com/9cbve but they replied to my inquiry that they use a proprietary protocol to control their Guitar rig2 software and it is not planned to add MIDI functionality so the board could be used as a standalone MIDI controller. bummer. I am thinking about building a controller of my own but also Brian's offer sounds interesting. Matthias (L) http://matthias.loibner.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 21:34:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 758D63BF13; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CANa8okOCFIU2AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051216212752.02860bc0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:34:32 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Nyquist Frequency In-Reply-To: <20051216201350.2DA323BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051216201350.2DA323BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:34:36 +0000 (UTC) >Example: 48KHz digital A/D converter could capture a 23KHz >pure > > sine wave, and output a 23KHz sine wave whose amplitude varies at 1Khz >- you > > would hear that 1Khz signal for sure! > >Frequencies below Nyquist come through without any change. well, why don't you actually try it :-) I did, the 1khz tone is not very loud, but it's there. Not every fact is in the textbooks ;-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 22:01:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 041303BEF9; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ARm0h9zrOjDbAzzncDEcnSp8MqtYthpBs0+mvtG2Z2DrYwnDci1TLZcFw+sNZe8BwK8KXY1sQxG8/HIF4hmr8kS97XPBu6kmyOu+xSYq+t1pEbBbIoZ/ue7a8iOIw07z3CjXgS9YGC7LrbAqYhMDP1vY5QM2qam++FTRclB7kk8= Message-ID: <26ba8d120512161401q762c1b7agd26d7f78c6c7c8ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:01:36 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: looking for a (Windows) audio programmer... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:01:37 +0000 (UTC) On the heels of my last announcement, I thought I'd let you know a little in advance of the official announcement (since there are a lot of good programmers here).... Google is looking for a Windows audio programmer for a particularly interesting and juicy project. We're really looking for a deep and dirty programmer who truly understands the internals! Drop me a line -- confidentially, of course! -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 22:11:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2EB13BF16; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <20051216201350.2DA323BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051216212752.02860bc0@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Nyquist Frequency Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:11:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2005 22:11:21.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[A52D6DE0:01C6028D] Resent-Message-ID: <5XtO-B.A.zsG.MuzoDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:11:24 +0000 (UTC) >>Example: 48KHz digital A/D converter could capture a 23KHz >>pure >> > sine wave, and output a 23KHz sine wave whose amplitude varies at 1Khz >>- you >> > would hear that 1Khz signal for sure! >> >>Frequencies below Nyquist come through without any change. > > well, why don't you actually try it :-) > > I did, the 1khz tone is not very loud, but it's there. yes, but remember that your system (don't know what you used) most likely already has the anti-aliasing filter on it so these effects will be very very attenuated - as will the 23KHZ signal. > Not every fact is in the textbooks ;-) you got that right! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 22:11:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A66D53BF21; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:11:30 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: the perfect [sic] controller In-reply-to: <1232687279.20051216223238@gmx.net> To: LD Message-id: <43A33B92.1070009@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <1232687279.20051216223238@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:11:32 +0000 (UTC) numbernine@gmx.net wrote: > It seems there are 3 types of buttons in all floorboards I have found > on the net. > A like mine (see above) > B like the Behringer FCB1010 > C like eg. the RS10 http://www.customaudioelectronics.com/rs-10_midi_foot_controller.htm I have a Ground Control Pro which has switches like the RS10. I think they are quite noisy. Very, very rugged which some people like, but they make a "swish" noise as they are pressed, and if you step hard they make a "clank" when they reach the bottom, and again when they return to the top. I also have the Behringer which is almost silent by comparison. Sometimes I get a very soft "chirp" but it seems to be caused by tension on the case rather than the switch. The only thing I don't like about it is the size. I have not used one but the Rocktron MidiMate looks like it has buttons similar to those on the EDP foot controller: http://www.rocktron.com It is smaller than the Behringer, but not as flexible in sending MIDI events. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 22:42:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0EB63BF05; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hh5NmiiXNrazcvyYCSR/kUY0BdWgGctfnDsRcOWo81MwnVpoLmhYt5DJgqPthio//O9hVR9+Jh1n4pPHWAqTetAd4dq8GY6k2ekKFW80xNmDltTF8GDd4NeqZoBwOPn1Pjl3DgmigFK16DTEhGLJOmIqghhxEC1de0tzNyp4LfE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:42:26 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the perfect [sic] controller In-Reply-To: <43A33B92.1070009@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1232687279.20051216223238@gmx.net> <43A33B92.1070009@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:42:27 +0000 (UTC) I've got a MIDIMate, and it uses different buttons. They are pretty much silent, but don't provide the same positive tactile feedback that the EDP mouser switches do. Personally, I dislike the Behringer switches because the depress force required is too heavy for my taste. I like something I can tap with very little effort. My top request would be far more than ten buttons--at least fifteen, even twenty. And a programmable LCD above each one so I can keep track of what they do. TravisH On 12/16/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > I also have the Behringer which is almost silent by comparison. Sometime= s > I get a very soft "chirp" but it seems to be caused by tension on the cas= e > rather than the switch. The only thing I don't like about it is the size= . > > I have not used one but the Rocktron MidiMate looks like it has buttons > similar to those on the EDP foot controller: > > http://www.rocktron.com > > It is smaller than the Behringer, but not as flexible in sending MIDI eve= nts. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 16 23:59:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 275693BED5; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pKTFO+P6ysgcY9zyd9mTEj7sQdd1nWra2TE24RcjjRfdT83fJk513AqCPwzpsJMQgD0a8/JdqrTEKvAC4B5SODOKvJl4DacuYuUI5vJBZPF70KqWBpUlvjXJQSlZe8xE860CyY4aQuJoW9hgWypteq/tN6gJvmiTjoPXeiMyDms= Message-ID: <26ba8d120512161559k78a44faah983bc84c28931809@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:59:07 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dubharmonics of God Frequencies In-Reply-To: <8235D39B-1CF0-4072-94B2-14EED52E923D@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <72906DB7-461A-4C02-83B7-34A5EA807423@zoekeating.com> <8235D39B-1CF0-4072-94B2-14EED52E923D@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:59:08 +0000 (UTC) I read an article very roughly eight years ago in the New Scientist that pointed out that dance music has a lot of energy in the frequencies around 50-60Hz that are also the resonant frequencies of the Eustachean canals of your ears (the mechanism that makes your equilibrium work), for the intentional reason of disorienting you... On 12/16/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On 16 dec 2005, at 04.37, Zoe Keating wrote: > > > I read about some study that claimed ultra low frequencies make > > people feel uneasy. It was put forwarded in the article as a > > possible explanation of haunted places where people feel ill at > > ease. Really, there might just be earth generated subsonic > > frequencies in the area. > > > I think this has been known since the first sky scraper buildings > started to generate infra noise on windy days. Especially employees > working at the higher floors showed a sickness curve closely related > to "windy whether". > > "Evil" infra noise can also emanate from highways carrying heavy > traffic of huge vehicles. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 02:37:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2067F3BEDE; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HLngx0jgKiAdkwBVKJqLMW8d3kjHb5StKl76PTudh0pnsh5ahgj+y0gsTfeCSEc3; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:35:56 -0800 Subject: Re: The Dubharmonics of God Frequencies From: stanley card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <031301c60238$4222f850$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48adf23f05777095d96a5db6406b5f0b4d676ae045857c2f36350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.213.56 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:37:03 +0000 (UTC) on 12/16/05 4:00 AM, loop.pool at looppool@cruzio.com wrote: > I also heard years ago that high volumes of truly subsonic frequencies > would make people deficate involuntarily... > ...Talk about the Dubharmonics of God!!!!! > r. on my Digitech Whammy pedal it can take the low E on a guitar(82.407hz) down two octaves(20.60hz). and as i get older i find sometimes i need all the help i can get(voluntarilly or not) :-) s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 03:59:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDA2A3BEE1; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 03:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KsVj0gWoccfY53E8J1Cg0B0QdvWm/VqjU2DCUjVi9e3wJEFe0bUXwCRhFt0epkcg; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200512617443760@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Vortex, digital connections, Trower flange Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:04:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9402b75e3673cad314e7a97d527722f8168350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 03:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for your valuable insights and time. Deeply appreciated. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: a k butler > To: > Date: 12/16/2005 3:45:32 AM > Subject: Vortex, digital connections, Trower flange > > At 17:36 15/12/05, you wrote: > >"Also be aware that you're missing out on the undelayed analog dry signal > >by using the digi conectors." > > > >It's VERY possible that I misunderstood you and am totally missing the > >point ;-) > >All Confused, > >Tim > > Sorry Tim, I should explain better. > You still get the dry part of the sound, but it has to pass through the digital > domain, which will introduce some delay. > Obviously the spdif path you have there is good for the wet part of > your sound, > as your missing out on converting to analog and back again. > Meanwhile, the dry part gets converted to digital and back, > which will add a small delay. > If the VF-1 and MPX-500 have capability to pass the dry signal part of your > sound through themselves without converting to digital and back again > then that may actually sound better, particularly if you want to bypass the fx. > > If > a) you're not getting a delay(=latency) on the dry signal > b) it sounds good as it is > then really it's worth ignoring all this techy nitpicking :-) > > > >P.S.--Can the Vortex be persuaded to generate an MXR-style classic-rock > >non-swoosh flange a la Killing Joke's "A Love Like Blood" or Trower's "Day > >of the Eagle"? Or Frank Marino circa 1977? I cannot get anything close to > >this sound on my VF-1 or my MPX-500, lovely as they are. > > I don't know those tracks, but to get rid of the swoosh turn down the > Resonance controls. > The Vortex modulators don't all sound the same, so it might be worth trying to > start from a couple of different presets to see how close each gets > toi the sound you want. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 04:23:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AFD23BEEA; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sQLOSZFmLwPBiMYaF78Hemey+LXLrFQtCeKAkQ06Sukpz4fy4rZR+CfRozr4lU/N; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051261742836980@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: OT: gig spam and TIM'S NEW CD WITH KEN FIELD Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:28:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94045f57cb8a39eded4910b756edc18c55f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:23:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello, Loopies: I was sending my concert spam/new CD notice to my faithful followers and though maybe I'd send it to my LD pals as well. (See cut-n-paste below.) Cheers, Tim timmusic news on 2 fronts: 1. "No Such Animal," featuring sax luminary KEN FIELD, is now available at http://innova.mu/artist1.asp?skuID=251 , and 2. we have two 2006 shows to announce (so far). FIRST, THE DISC-- "NO SUCH ANIMAL" (writeup courtesy of innova) "One night in a Somerville basement a summit took place between representatives of two of Boston's musical superpowers — Birdsongs of the Mesozoic and Cul de Sac — convened by guitarist/diplomat Tim Mungenast. "Entente cordiale" rather than war was the order of business, and it became a dramatic evening of free-wheeling melodic improv and coloring outside the lines. 'No Such Animal' is a rare bird indeed. It’s a new genus: Nouveau psychedelic rock, mixed with free jazz where, as Ted Drozdowski of The Boston Phoenix (another rare bird) puts it, 'ideas travel on bats' wings at supersonic speed and everyone hums ragas as they catch the bus to work.' Led by Tim Mungenast on electric guitar, electric sitar, and bells, and featuring stalwarts Ken Field on saxes, flute, and percussion, Jon Proudman on drums, and Michael Bloom on bass; this CD is a must have for all meta-ornithologists, improvised music lovers, and over-achieving paint-by number artists. That's because no-one could decide what color this animal should be. We have therefore provided crayons for you to color it as you please. (Refrigerator not included.)" BUY IT NOW AT http://innova.mu/artist1.asp?skuID=251 ...IT MAKES A GREAT STOCKING STUFFER / HOLIDAY GIFT / ET CETERA! and now, CONCERT NEWS: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:00 PM 4 THE GULF! ...an ALL-AGES BENEFIT for victims of Katrina and Rita (the money goes to the Salvation Army) NAVE GALLERY Clarendon HIll Presbyterian Church 155 Powderhouse Blvd, Somerville, MA 02143 Featuring: *WISTERIAX (gothic cello sounds) *ASTRO AL (space mutant muzak) *TIM MUNGENAST & HIS PREEXISTING CONDITIONS ('60s-flavored goat rock) *SHAZAM (acoustic roots music) ..................ALL AGES...ADMISSION $5.00 ...AND... Saturday, February 25, 2006, 8:00 PM a PSYCH FESTIVAL at PA'S LOUNGE Somerville Ave Somerville MA 02143 Featuring: *ASTRO AL *TIM MUNGENAST & HIS PREEXISTING CONDITIONS *ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR *SPECIMEN 37 21-plus MERRY CHRISTMAS/HAPPY HOLIDAYS/LOVELY SOLSTICE TO YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES! ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Hello, Loopies:
 
I was sending my concert spam/new CD notice to my faithful followers and though maybe I'd send it to my LD pals as well. (See cut-n-paste below.)
Cheers,
Tim
 
timmusic news on 2 fronts:
1. "No Such Animal," featuring sax luminary KEN FIELD, is now available at
2. we have two 2006 shows to announce (so far).
 
FIRST, THE DISC-- "NO SUCH ANIMAL" (writeup courtesy of innova)  "One night in a Somerville basement a summit took place between representatives of two of Boston's musical superpowers — Birdsongs of the Mesozoic and Cul de Sac — convened by guitarist/diplomat Tim Mungenast. "Entente cordiale" rather than war was the order of business, and it became a dramatic evening of free-wheeling melodic improv and coloring outside the lines.
 
'No Such Animal' is a rare bird indeed. It’s a new genus: Nouveau psychedelic rock, mixed with free jazz where, as Ted Drozdowski of The Boston Phoenix (another rare bird) puts it, 'ideas travel on bats' wings at supersonic speed and everyone hums ragas as they catch the bus to work.'
 
Led by Tim Mungenast on electric guitar, electric sitar, and bells, and featuring stalwarts Ken Field on saxes, flute, and percussion, Jon Proudman on drums, and Michael Bloom on bass; this CD is a must have for all meta-ornithologists, improvised music lovers, and over-achieving paint-by number artists.
 
That's because no-one could decide what color this animal should be.  We have therefore provided crayons for you to color it as you please. (Refrigerator not included.)"
 
...IT MAKES A GREAT STOCKING STUFFER / HOLIDAY GIFT / ET CETERA!
 
and now, CONCERT NEWS:
 
Saturday, January 21, 2006
7:00 PM
4 THE GULF! ...an ALL-AGES BENEFIT for victims of Katrina and Rita
(the money goes to the Salvation Army)
NAVE GALLERY
Clarendon HIll Presbyterian Church
155 Powderhouse Blvd,
Somerville, MA 02143
Featuring:
*WISTERIAX (gothic cello sounds)
*ASTRO AL (space mutant muzak)
*TIM MUNGENAST & HIS PREEXISTING CONDITIONS ('60s-flavored goat rock)
*SHAZAM (acoustic roots music)
..................ALL AGES...ADMISSION $5.00     
...AND...
Saturday, February 25, 2006,   8:00 PM
a PSYCH FESTIVAL at
PA'S LOUNGE
Somerville Ave
Somerville MA 02143
Featuring:
*ASTRO AL
*TIM MUNGENAST & HIS PREEXISTING CONDITIONS
*ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR
*SPECIMEN 37
21-plus
 
MERRY CHRISTMAS/HAPPY HOLIDAYS/LOVELY SOLSTICE TO YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES!
 

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 06:29:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A06043BEDC; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:30:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: <20051215093844.16935.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Gareth, > No sampler can "guess" a sine wave from a square. My point exactly. > Your speaker cone will try to "draw" the shapes in the air. And if you put a microphone in front of that speaker and record the output what will you see on a waveforn display? Certainly not anything resembling a square wave. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 10:17:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9200E3BEE4; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAKZzo0OCFIU1AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051217101619.028f8d90@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:17:22 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RE: the perfect [sic] controller In-Reply-To: <20051216220138.6436B3BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051216220138.6436B3BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:17:31 +0000 (UTC) >Now, as Brian wrote, if the midi gurus on this list (I don't belong to them) me neither >could try to develop and agree on a specification ... Is that project still viable when we all say it has to be programmable by the user? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 11:13:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 069893BEF4; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CALWBo0OCFIU1AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051217102102.028bacc0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:13:34 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate In-Reply-To: <20051216220138.6436B3BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051216220138.6436B3BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-M7ruC.A.8vC.kL_oDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:13:40 +0000 (UTC) > No sampler can "guess" a sine wave from a square. >How would it know that you wanted a sine wave? Think of sines and >squares as just different shapes. > >Gareth hi Gareth, well believe it or not that's exactly what a good D/A converter does, (and what a bad one tries to do) The converter assumes that the signal it is trying to re-create is band limited, i.e. that it is describable as a mixture of sin waves all of which are below the Nyquist frequency. In essence, the digital output is passed through a lo-pass filter with a cut-off at around 20kHz. As you're no doubt aware, all filters "ring" somewhat, they have something of a tendency to oscillate at their resonant frequency. The converter can then guess at the waveform at high frequencies, even though it's only represented by a few samples. By varying the Q of the filter, the amount of "ring" is controllable, which is why some converters sound dull, and some sound bright but unnatural. hope all is well in Wales andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 17:29:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 893E83BEE9; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.77.64.30] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <20051216220138.6436B3BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051217102102.028bacc0@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:29:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy - all is well in Wales - you should pop over sometime! Sorry to harp on but the dfference is that a d to a converter may attrempt to emulate a sine based on A NUMBER of squares not just one - hence my statement. I'm sure we agree but there seemed to be a lot of mis- information happening around here - uncharacteristic for this list it has to be said!! Gareth > >> No sampler can "guess" a sine wave from a square. >>How would it know that you wanted a sine wave? Think of sines and squares >>as just different shapes. >> >>Gareth > > hi Gareth, > well believe it or not that's exactly what a good D/A converter does, > (and what a bad one tries to do) > The converter assumes that the signal it is trying to re-create is > band limited, i.e. that it is describable as a mixture of sin waves all of > which are below the Nyquist frequency. > In essence, the digital output is passed through a lo-pass filter with > a cut-off at around 20kHz. > As you're no doubt aware, all filters "ring" somewhat, they have > something of a tendency to oscillate at their resonant frequency. > The converter can then guess at the waveform at high frequencies, > even though it's only represented by a few samples. > By varying the Q of the filter, the amount of "ring" is controllable, > which is why some converters sound dull, and some sound > bright but unnatural. > > hope all is well in Wales > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 17:37:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 641E23BEF9; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A44CCC.30109@biink.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:37:16 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dubharmonics of God Frequencies References: <72906DB7-461A-4C02-83B7-34A5EA807423@zoekeating.com> <8235D39B-1CF0-4072-94B2-14EED52E923D@boysen.se> <26ba8d120512161559k78a44faah983bc84c28931809@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120512161559k78a44faah983bc84c28931809@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Tom Ritchford wrote: >I read an article very roughly eight years ago in the New Scientist >that pointed out that dance music has a lot of energy in the >frequencies around 50-60Hz that are also the resonant frequencies of >the Eustachean canals of your ears (the mechanism that makes your >equilibrium work), for the intentional reason of disorienting you... > Do you feel disoriented in the Dream House Tom? The music is based on a 60 cycle drone, as is all of La Monte Youngs music, except when it's performed in Europe. The it's based on a 50 cycle drone. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 17:44:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1096F3BF01; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051217101619.028f8d90@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20051216220138.6436B3BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051217101619.028f8d90@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0D4B1BA5-5E22-40D8-B8E7-668CA310216C@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: the perfect [sic] controller Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:44:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:44:08 +0000 (UTC) of course it does. i am talking about hardware and layout. i don't use an EDP or a RPTR. I don't use Ableton Live either, but I've made about 8 different custom controllers for Ableton users. I am looking to see what kind of hardware features are most important to most users. - b On Dec 17, 2005, at 5:17 AM, a k butler wrote: > >> Now, as Brian wrote, if the midi gurus on this list (I don't >> belong to them) > > me neither > >> could try to develop and agree on a specification ... > > Is that project still viable when we all say it has to be > programmable by the user? > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 17:47:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89F3E3BF0E; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:47:12 -0500 From: enat21213@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7D1490BCAA534-A60-5055@FWM-M28.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: ableton live and edp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.193.230 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:47:25 +0000 (UTC) is there a way to make live's tap tempo default(follow) to whatever i write in as the tempo in the warp box? or save tempo settings for individual clips? so when i sync to my edp the edp follows the tempo pre set up in live. basically i want to set up live so with one press of a button i can start a clip and the edp will follow in sync. thanks in advance for any help or advice? brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 18:40:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E7B73BF04; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: looperlative thoughts Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:40:47 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Looks wonderfull, Could be exactly what I need to get away from my laptop back to hardware again, The edp was good, superlooper was the progression I wanted and now this could be exactly what I have been waiting for, for the last 4 years. Any news about uk availability as soon as you know would be great, and also if it might be possible to demo the unit next year when it arrives. The ethernet is a very future proof sensible idea, forward thinking. This is all very encouraging and I will be buying one if it does what it says reliably. geoff On 14 Dec 2005, at 11:39, Steve Lawson wrote: > OK, before we get completely carried away, as one of the very small > group of people here who've actually tried out a looperlative, I'll > offer a couple of thoughts... > > Firstly, Bob's aim has clearly not been to just redo the EDP in stereo > - the EDP is very much a product of initially Matthias' genius, and > then years and years of tweaking and shaping the way that particular > instrument works. It's an incredible tool, and one that, if there is > to be stereo version, needs to updated by the people who had that > vision. > > In the wider world of looping ideas/devices/concepts, the looperlative > offers something wonderful. In the short time I've spent with one thus > far, the programming of the MIDI controls is easier than on anything > I've tried before (even for MIDI-phobes), the availability of the 8 > stereo loops is almost too much - it's going to take me a while to get > to grips with the expanded range of possibilities (I think I'll be > mainly using the first three for quite a while, before I start to > really get to know the box and use it intuitively. > > And, like the EDP, the looperlative reflects a lot about it's creator > - I've known Bob for a few years, and of all the music product > development people I've ever had dealings with (which is a LOT of > people), Bob is probably the one I trust the most to get it right. Not > that it's meet every last requirement of everyone on the list (sorry, > there won't be a feature that allows you to midi up your eyeballs to > operate the loops just by looking at foxy peoples in the audience), > but that it will do what it says it does, what it set out to do, and > will be incredibly well supported. > > It seems, from what Bob has said, that the LP1 is pretty much > established in terms of what's going on with it, how the architecture > will work. The one I tried (which I'll get back early next week) did > everything it said it should do - the menus were easy to navigate, the > audio was clean, the midi controls worked, and I was looping with it > immediately. > > If you're looking for something to replicate the feature set of the > EDP, it's not that. It may well end up incorporating some of the more > esoteric EDP ideas, but I'm guessing Andre is about to switch units > after spending a decade building up the facility he has with the > echoplex... What I predict will happen is that a fair few people will > end up with one of each - especially those who like the granular cut > 'n' paste freakery of the Echoplex, but want the option to a) go > stereo and b) reorder those bits and keep some stuff going while they > they carry on chopping elsewhere. > > Oh, and the two stereo aux sends are going to be an absolute god-send > for anyone who post-processes their loops. > > For the way I loop, and the way I think about the performance process, > the LP1 is pretty much everything I've hoped for in a looper. It'll > take me a while to learn it in the way I currently know the EDP, but > I'm confident that I'll get there in the same way I made the jump from > 2 seconds on my ART night bass to 8 seconds on my jamman, to 32 > seconds on my jamman, to jamman plus DL4, to jamman plus echoplex plus > DL4 to two echoplexes, to two echoplexes plus two G2 plus kaoss pad... > :o) > > That one guy working on his own has come up with such a device is > fantastic - to see it through from conception to shippable product is > a remarkable feat and one that I for one am exceedingly grateful for, > given the rubbishness of Gibson at doing anything sensible with the > remarkable technology that they are sitting on, and the reluctance of > Line 6 to ever take their looping stuff a stage further. > > three cheers for Bob and the Looperlative... > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 18:47:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 048AE3BF11; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:49:58 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Analog to digital conversion - sample rate Message-ID: <66BB00BB0F759294A5DB1BF5@[192.168.1.110]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, I've been trying to stay out of the conversation, but I do want to clear up a few things. I would like to point out that this topic is the subject of an entire college. So, it is very difficult to simplify it down to just a couple of paragraphs. Let me hit the highlights. A/D converters don't see the signal as a set of sine waves. Mathematically we look at signals as a set of sine waves because it allows us create a system of mathematics that does a very good job of describing filters both analog and digital. You could create a system of mathematics based of different frequency square waves, but sine waves result in much simpler equations. The Nyquist rate is a theoretical concept that results from the theoretical mathematics and it indicates to us the maximum frequency that can be represented after sampling a signal. As has been stated, it is necessary to filter a signal before sampling to avoid significant frequency content about the Nyquist rate. The topic of filters is a huge one. Higher sampling rates are better, but twice the sampling rate doesn't mean that your sound will be twice as good. It is a very interesting topic and for those of your interested in it, I highly recommend that you take courses or do some experimentation. It is a fun topic to explore. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 18:53:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D23353BF1B; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Analog to digital conversion - sample rate Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:55:00 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c6033b$6271b250$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <66BB00BB0F759294A5DB1BF5@[192.168.1.110]> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Well said, Bob. Within the scope of this forum, there's really nothing to add. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Bob Amstadt [mailto:bob@amstadt.com]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Dezember 2005 19:50 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Analog to digital conversion - sample rate Hi everyone, I've been trying to stay out of the conversation, but I do want to clear up=20 a few things. I would like to point out that this topic is the subject of=20 an entire college. So, it is very difficult to simplify it down to just a=20 couple of paragraphs. Let me hit the highlights. A/D converters don't see the signal as a set of sine waves. Mathematically=20 we look at signals as a set of sine waves because it allows us create a=20 system of mathematics that does a very good job of describing filters both=20 analog and digital. You could create a system of mathematics based of=20 different frequency square waves, but sine waves result in much simpler=20 equations. The Nyquist rate is a theoretical concept that results from the theoretical=20 mathematics and it indicates to us the maximum frequency that can be=20 represented after sampling a signal. As has been stated, it is necessary=20 to filter a signal before sampling to avoid significant frequency content=20 about the Nyquist rate. The topic of filters is a huge one. Higher sampling rates are better, but twice the sampling rate doesn't mean=20 that your sound will be twice as good. It is a very interesting topic and=20 for those of your interested in it, I highly recommend that you take=20 courses or do some experimentation. It is a fun topic to explore. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 19:37:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5296C3BF12; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051217101619.028f8d90@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20051216220138.6436B3BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051217101619.028f8d90@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: the perfect [sic] controller Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:37:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:37:55 +0000 (UTC) >> Now, as Brian wrote, if the midi gurus on this list (I don't >> belong to them) >> could try to develop and agree on a specification ... On Dec 17, 2005, at 11:17, a k butler wrote: > Is that project still viable when we all say it has to be > programmable by the user? I don't necessarily say so. If not making it programmable can keep costs down I would go with that. But that's only because I know that most of my looping tools are software based and will let me assign needed function to whatever controller data sent out by the physical controller. Speaking about design, I think twelve buttons and one pedal is optimal. Since portability is important, buttons have to be crammed into a small area but yet not blocking the way for other buttons. One idea might be to look at the piano with a first row of lower (white) buttons and a second row of higher (black") buttons. For example, the design mistake with the Behringer FCB1010 is that both rows of buttons are designed of the same height. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 19:49:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE95F3BF18; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <8C7D1490BCAA534-A60-5055@FWM-M28.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C7D1490BCAA534-A60-5055@FWM-M28.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ableton live and edp Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:49:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:49:45 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 17, 2005, at 18:47, enat21213@aol.com wrote: > is there a way to make live's tap tempo default(follow) to whatever > i write in as the tempo in the warp box? or save tempo settings for > individual clips? so when i sync to my edp the edp follows the > tempo pre set up in live. basically i want to set up live so with > one press of a button i can start a clip and the edp will follow in > sync. You can use any MIDI clip to set the Tap Tempo. Just set the output (from that clip) to some internal MIDI pipe (IAC Bus if you run OS X - if you run Windows XP you have to download and install MIDI Yoke first). Then you go to Lives MIDI/sync preferences and set the internal pipe as "Input: Remote" (and maybe also as "Output: Track" - I don't remember, you can try to see). Us Live's normal MIDI learn procedure to assign the midi data sent out from the "tempo" clip to the Tap Tempo function. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 23:48:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CEFC3BEE2; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2ca.615853.30d5fddf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:48:47 EST Subject: Re: OT: gear FS (digitech, gemini) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2ca.615853.30d5fddf_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:48:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2ca.615853.30d5fddf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/15/05 5:19:50 PM, evanpeewee@yahoo.com writes: > i'm trying to clean out my studio, > scott.....what will you now be using?.....mic --part1_2ca.615853.30d5fddf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/15/05 5:19:50 PM, evanpeewee@yahoo.com writes:


i'm trying to clean o= ut my studio,


scott.....what will you now be using?.....mic --part1_2ca.615853.30d5fddf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 17 23:55:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B08F3BEDE; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015301c60365$4f499380$26b5ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <004d01c5fabc$6611b7c0$0acdf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:55:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0150_01C6032A.A20BA620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.300000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 412, in=181242, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:55:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0150_01C6032A.A20BA620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I got my Xmas wish....one of my musical collegues has a friend at = Standford University. He recorded an entire MRI session for me with a = Sony mindisk and external mic. He said the whole bit about absolutely no = metal objects being in the room is nonesense....maybe that was for older = machines? Not sure. It depends on the type of metal and the distance = from the machine. I'll send you all out the piece of music I write with = these clips as soon as I'm done. :) I plan on manipulating the clips = with some EQ, VST effects, etc and then using them as a backdrop for = some experimental/abstract looping. Fun! Thanks all for all the great input and discussion. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower = back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they = pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire = body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 = minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What = I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like = hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial = like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it = was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point = in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg = twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the = amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he = said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, = encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, = chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of = changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting = vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces = an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes = captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as = an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list? Kris ***************************************************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0150_01C6032A.A20BA620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I got my Xmas wish....one of my = musical=20 collegues has a friend at Standford University. He recorded an entire = MRI=20 session for me with a Sony mindisk and external mic. He said the whole = bit about=20 absolutely no metal objects being in the room is nonesense....maybe that = was for=20 older machines? Not sure.  It depends on the type of metal and = the=20 distance from the machine.  I'll send you all out the piece of = music I=20 write with these clips as soon as I'm done. :)  I plan on = manipulating the=20 clips with some EQ, VST effects, etc and then using them as a backdrop = for some=20 experimental/abstract looping. Fun!
 
Thanks all for all the great input and=20 discussion.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, = 2005 4:25=20 PM
Subject: The MRI and Looping: = For Ambient=20 & Experimental Music?

I just had a most exhilarating = experience: my=20 first MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid down on a = sliding=20 table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere = inches=20 around my entire body.  They put large headphones on my = head, and=20 then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly = euphoric and=20 meditative state. What I heard were a series of interesting = sounds...from=20 jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre = sci-fi=20 industrial like sounds, and so on. It was delightful.  The MRI = technician=20 said it was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that = procedure. =20 At one point in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was = awoke by=20 my leg twitching.  I could have stayed in there most of the=20 day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about the source = of the=20 sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around = my body,=20 encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, = chilled=20 down to a cool minus 270 degrees.  The sounds were a result of = changes=20 they were making in the electrical current and the resulting = vibrations to the=20 machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my = back,=20 however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, I = would love to=20 have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could = use it for=20 looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental=20 looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians on the=20 list?
 
Kris
 
*****************************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational = Looping=20 Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com
Di= scography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
------=_NextPart_000_0150_01C6032A.A20BA620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 00:12:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1011E3BEF8; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:10:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C60335.2DBD79A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <015301c60365$4f499380$26b5ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:12:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C60335.2DBD79A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Way cool! Looking forward to it! It not so much older machines as many newer ones have stronger fields (though some specialty MRI's have cut back on the fields) It *is* all about the type of metal and distance. The problem is that if someone carelessly brings something metallic into the room, by the time someone figures out if it's a problem or not, it has shot out of the person's hand and flown into the gantry...not good. Now if Santa can get me a performance, pedal-based looper with the ease of a Boomerang but no noise and multiple undo's and fading, I'll be busy cranking... Michael -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Well, I got my Xmas wish....one of my musical collegues has a friend at Standford University. He recorded an entire MRI session for me with a Sony mindisk and external mic. He said the whole bit about absolutely no metal objects being in the room is nonesense....maybe that was for older machines? Not sure. It depends on the type of metal and the distance from the machine. I'll send you all out the piece of music I write with these clips as soon as I'm done. :) I plan on manipulating the clips with some EQ, VST effects, etc and then using them as a backdrop for some experimental/abstract looping. Fun! Thanks all for all the great input and discussion. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list? Kris ***************************************************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C60335.2DBD79A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Way=20 cool! Looking forward to it!

It not so much = older machines as=20 many newer ones have stronger fields (though some specialty MRI's have = cut back=20 on the fields)
 
It *is* all about the type of metal and distance. The problem = is that if=20 someone carelessly brings something metallic into the room, by the = time=20 someone figures out if it's a problem or not, it has shot out of the = person's=20 hand and flown into the gantry...not good.
 
Now=20 if Santa can get me a performance, pedal-based looper = with the=20 ease of a Boomerang but no noise and multiple undo's and fading, I'll be = busy=20 cranking...
 
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 17, = 2005=20 5:55 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental=20 Music?

Well, I got my Xmas wish....one of my = musical=20 collegues has a friend at Standford University. He recorded an entire = MRI=20 session for me with a Sony mindisk and external mic. He said the whole = bit=20 about absolutely no metal objects being in the room is = nonesense....maybe that=20 was for older machines? Not sure.  It depends on the type of = metal=20 and the distance from the machine.  I'll send you all out the = piece of=20 music I write with these clips as soon as I'm done. :)  I plan on = manipulating the clips with some EQ, VST effects, etc and then using = them as a=20 backdrop for some experimental/abstract looping. Fun!
 
Thanks all for all the great input = and=20 discussion.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, = 2005 4:25=20 PM
Subject: The MRI and Looping: = For=20 Ambient & Experimental Music?

I just had a most exhilarating = experience: my=20 first MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid down on = a=20 sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube = with=20 mere inches around my entire body.  They put large = headphones on=20 my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into = a seemingly=20 euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were a series of = interesting=20 sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating = cycles,=20 bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It was = delightful. =20 The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone to actually=20 enjoy that procedure.  At one point in time, I was in = a half=20 waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching.  I could = have=20 stayed in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is = that=20 when I asked about the source of the sounds, he said they were not=20 mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased in metal, = was a=20 giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool = minus 270=20 degrees.  The sounds were a result of changes they were making = in the=20 electrical current and the resulting vibrations to the machine.=20 Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my back,=20 however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, I = would love to=20 have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could = use it=20 for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental=20 looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians on = the=20 list?
 
Kris
 
*****************************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational = Looping=20 Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com
Di= scography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C60335.2DBD79A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 00:30:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E431D3BEF0; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <32F89157-4AF9-4780-8B64-0C81DAC69D46@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: re: looperlative london demo Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:31:06 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:30:54 +0000 (UTC) >>>Could be exactly what I need to get away from my laptop back to hardware again, The edp was good, superlooper was the progression I wanted and now this could be exactly what I have been waiting for, for the last 4 years. Any news about uk availability as soon as you know would be great, and also if it might be possible to demo the unit next year when it arrives. The ethernet is a very future proof sensible idea, forward thinking. This is all very encouraging and I will be buying one if it does what it says reliably.<<< Hi Geoff, I'll certainly be sorting out a London demo of the box as soon as I can, and may well be using it at my gig at Darbucka in London on January 12th... watch this space. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 00:50:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F9F53BEF7; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017a01c6036d$1594a6e0$26b5ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:50:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0177_01C60332.687230C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 415, in=196669, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:50:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0177_01C60332.687230C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Plishka=20 Way cool! Looking forward to it! KH: I might have something to share before Jan 5. It *is* all about the type of metal and distance. The problem is that = if someone carelessly brings something metallic into the room, by the = time someone figures out if it's a problem or not, it has shot out of = the person's hand and flown into the gantry...not good. KH: That's true. There was on instance of a case here in Boise where a = nurse from a different department walked into the MRI chamber with a = metal cart, and it caused about $200K of damage to the machine when it = was sucked it in. Now if Santa can get me a performance, pedal-based looper with the = ease of a Boomerang but no noise and multiple undo's and fading, I'll be = busy cranking... KH: Yes!!! Like I said in a thread a few months ago, I want a stereo = EDP crammed into the size of the EDP foot conroller. We do have the = technology, I think...it would just be damn expensive.=20 Michael -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Well, I got my Xmas wish....one of my musical collegues has a friend = at Standford University. He recorded an entire MRI session for me with a = Sony mindisk and external mic. He said the whole bit about absolutely no = metal objects being in the room is nonesense....maybe that was for older = machines? Not sure. It depends on the type of metal and the distance = from the machine. I'll send you all out the piece of music I write with = these clips as soon as I'm done. :) I plan on manipulating the clips = with some EQ, VST effects, etc and then using them as a backdrop for = some experimental/abstract looping. Fun! Thanks all for all the great input and discussion. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my = lower back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they = pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire = body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 = minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What = I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like = hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial = like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it = was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point = in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg = twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the = amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he = said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, = encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, = chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of = changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting = vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces = an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 = minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for = looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list? Kris ***************************************************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0177_01C60332.687230C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael=20 Plishka

Way=20 cool! Looking forward to it!
 
KH:=20 I might have something to share before Jan 5.

It *is* all about the type of metal and distance. The problem = is that=20 if someone carelessly brings something metallic into the room, by = the=20 time someone figures out if it's a problem or not, it has shot out of = the=20 person's hand and flown into the gantry...not = good.
 
KH:=20 That's true. There was on instance of a case here in Boise where a = nurse from=20 a different department walked into the MRI chamber with a metal = cart, and=20 it caused about $200K of damage to the machine when it was sucked it=20 in.
 
Now=20 if Santa can get me a performance, pedal-based looper = with the=20 ease of a Boomerang but no noise and multiple undo's and fading, I'll = be busy=20 cranking...
 
KH:=20 Yes!!! Like I said in a thread a few months ago, I want a stereo EDP = crammed=20 into the size of the EDP foot conroller. We do have the technology, I=20 think...it would just be damn expensive.
 
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Saturday, December = 17, 2005=20 5:55 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental=20 Music?

Well, I got my Xmas wish....one of = my musical=20 collegues has a friend at Standford University. He recorded an = entire MRI=20 session for me with a Sony mindisk and external mic. He said the = whole bit=20 about absolutely no metal objects being in the room is = nonesense....maybe=20 that was for older machines? Not sure.  It depends on the = type of=20 metal and the distance from the machine.  I'll send you all out = the=20 piece of music I write with these clips as soon as I'm done. = :)  I plan=20 on manipulating the clips with some EQ, VST effects, etc and then = using them=20 as a backdrop for some experimental/abstract looping. = Fun!
 
Thanks all for all the great input = and=20 discussion.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, = 2005 4:25=20 PM
Subject: The MRI and = Looping: For=20 Ambient & Experimental Music?

I just had a most exhilarating = experience: my=20 first MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid down = on a=20 sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like = tube with=20 mere inches around my entire body.  They put large = headphones on=20 my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into=20 a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were = a series=20 of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing = or=20 vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so = on. It was=20 delightful.  The MRI technician said it was a rarity for = someone to=20 actually enjoy that procedure.  At one point = in time, I was=20 in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg = twitching.  I=20 could have stayed in there most of the day. And the = amazing=20 thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he said = they=20 were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased = in metal,=20 was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to = a cool=20 minus 270 degrees.  The sounds were a result of changes they = were=20 making in the electrical current and the resulting vibrations to = the=20 machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of = my=20 back, however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, I = would love=20 to have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I = could use=20 it for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental=20 looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians on = the=20 list?
 
Kris
 
*****************************************************
Krispen = Hartung
Improvisational Looping=20 Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com
Di= scography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
------=_NextPart_000_0177_01C60332.687230C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 01:56:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 896DB3BED3; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:51:22 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? To: Kris Hartung , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004601c60376$597fa680$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_YsP1vuYuKM+y2rDM7qL+Yg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <015301c60365$4f499380$26b5ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:56:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_YsP1vuYuKM+y2rDM7qL+Yg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On the MRI thing, Kris wrote: > He said the whole bit about absolutely no metal objects being in the room is nonesense....maybe that was for older machines? Not sure. It depends on the type of metal and the distance from the machine. Hmmm. Seems to depend on who you talk to. I have a (guitar) student who works with MRI at Stony Brook University Hospital here on Long Island, and he says that much of it has to do with the size of the magnet involved. The magnets are measured in Teslas, where one Tesla = 10,000 Gauss. Low-Field MRI= Under .2 Tesla (2,000 Gauss) Mid-Field MRI= .2 to 0.6 Tesla (2,000 Gauss to 6,000 Gauss) High-Field MRI= 1.0 to 1.5 Tesla (10,000 Gauss to 15,000 Gauss) ...and according to him, there are VERY high-field MRIs with up to 9 Teslas. There is one that strong in New York City. He often works with one that's 7 Teslas,. and he confirmed all the wacky stories we've been trading about the extreme magnetic properties of these machines. IV stands rolling across the floor and slamming into the units, tattoos becoming hot, etc. etc. The most intriguing thing was that workers are only allowed to be near the 7 Tesla machine for 1/2 hour at a time because they get dizzy, apparently from trace elements in the body becoming magnetized. By the way, let's give it up for ol' Nikola Tesla, who did some of his wacky electricity-through-the-air experiments just a few miles from my home here on Lawn Guyland. Didja know Tesla invented radio (but didn't patent it because he wanted to transmit stronger energy), fluorescent lights, AC current, the alternating phase motor, and of course the Tesla coil (found in virtually all radios and TVs)? Tesla got a bum rap, however, because he never got the electricity-through-the-air thing happening, and later on he started fantasizing publicly about "death rays" (lasers) and the possibility of life on Mars, and probably because of his Eastern European origins, as opposed to Thomas Edison who was Mister All-American and more of a public relations manipulator than Nikki. dB --Boundary_(ID_YsP1vuYuKM+y2rDM7qL+Yg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
On the MRI thing,
Kris wrote:
> He said the whole bit about absolutely no metal objects being in the room is nonesense....maybe that was for older machines? Not sure.  It depends on the type of metal and the distance from the machine. 
 
Hmmm. Seems to depend on who you talk to. I have a (guitar) student who works with MRI at Stony Brook University Hospital here on Long Island, and he says that much of it has to do with the size of the magnet involved. The magnets are measured in Teslas, where one Tesla =  10,000 Gauss.
Low-Field MRI= Under .2 Tesla (2,000 Gauss)
Mid-Field MRI= .2 to 0.6 Tesla (2,000 Gauss to 6,000 Gauss)
High-Field MRI= 1.0 to 1.5 Tesla (10,000 Gauss to 15,000 Gauss)
...and according to him, there are VERY high-field MRIs with up to 9 Teslas. There is one that strong in New York City. He often works with one that's 7 Teslas,. and he confirmed all the wacky stories we've been trading about the extreme magnetic properties of these machines. IV stands rolling across the floor and slamming into the units, tattoos becoming hot, etc. etc. The most intriguing thing was that workers are only allowed to be near the 7 Tesla machine for 1/2 hour at a time because they get dizzy, apparently from trace elements in the body becoming magnetized.
 
By the way, let's give it up for ol' Nikola Tesla, who did some of his wacky electricity-through-the-air experiments just a few miles from my home here on Lawn Guyland. Didja know Tesla invented radio (but didn't patent it because he wanted to transmit stronger energy), fluorescent lights, AC current, the alternating phase motor, and of course the Tesla coil (found in virtually all radios and TVs)? Tesla got a bum rap, however, because he never got the electricity-through-the-air thing happening, and later on he started fantasizing publicly about "death rays" (lasers) and the possibility of life on Mars, and probably because of his Eastern European origins, as opposed to Thomas Edison who was Mister All-American and more of a public relations manipulator than Nikki.
dB
--Boundary_(ID_YsP1vuYuKM+y2rDM7qL+Yg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 02:14:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DD803BEDC; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:12:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C60346.3FF199B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004601c60376$597fa680$9715be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:14:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C60346.3FF199B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I spoke once with one of the pioneers here in the States regarding MRI for medical imaging and he relayed stories about how no one was sure sure what would happen under substantially higher field strengths so he volunteered to climb in one himself and he spoke of how his peripheral nerves would get tweaked and his limbs would start twitching and jerking in the machine... Nicky T got a bum rap... ~peace~ Michael -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:51 PM To: Kris Hartung; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? ) ...and according to him, there are VERY high-field MRIs with up to 9 Teslas. There is one that strong in New York City. He often works with one that's 7 Teslas,. and he confirmed all the wacky stories we've been trading about the extreme magnetic properties of these machines. IV stands rolling across the floor and slamming into the units, tattoos becoming hot, etc. etc. The most intriguing thing was that workers are only allowed to be near the 7 Tesla machine for 1/2 hour at a time because they get dizzy, apparently from trace elements in the body becoming magnetized. By the way, let's give it up for ol' Nikola Tesla, who did some of his wacky electricity-through-the-air experiments just a few miles from my home here on Lawn Guyland. Didja know Tesla invented radio (but didn't patent it because he wanted to transmit stronger energy), fluorescent lights, AC current, the alternating phase motor, and of course the Tesla coil (found in virtually all radios and TVs)? Tesla got a bum rap, however, because he never got the electricity-through-the-air thing happening, and later on he started fantasizing publicly about "death rays" (lasers) and the possibility of life on Mars, and probably because of his Eastern European origins, as opposed to Thomas Edison who was Mister All-American and more of a public relations manipulator than Nikki. dB ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C60346.3FF199B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 spoke once with one of the pioneers here in the States regarding MRI for = medical=20 imaging and he relayed stories about how no one was sure sure what would = happen=20 under substantially higher field strengths so he volunteered = to climb=20 in one himself and he spoke of how his peripheral nerves would = get=20 tweaked and his limbs would start twitching and jerking in the=20 machine...
 
Nicky=20 T got a bum rap...
 
~peace~
Michael
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...and according to him, there are = VERY=20 high-field MRIs with up to 9 Teslas. There is one that strong in New = York=20 City. He often works with one that's 7 Teslas,. and he confirmed all = the wacky=20 stories we've been trading about the extreme magnetic properties of = these=20 machines. IV stands rolling across the floor and slamming into the = units,=20 tattoos becoming hot, etc. etc. The most intriguing thing was that = workers are=20 only allowed to be near the 7 Tesla machine for 1/2 hour at a time = because=20 they get dizzy, apparently from trace elements in the body becoming=20 magnetized.
 
By the way, let's give it up for ol' = Nikola=20 Tesla, who did some of his wacky electricity-through-the-air = experiments just=20 a few miles from my home here on Lawn Guyland. Didja know Tesla = invented radio=20 (but didn't patent it because he wanted to transmit stronger energy),=20 fluorescent lights, AC current, the alternating phase motor, and of = course the=20 Tesla coil (found in virtually all radios and TVs)? Tesla got a bum = rap,=20 however, because he never got the electricity-through-the-air thing = happening,=20 and later on he started fantasizing publicly about "death rays" = (lasers) and=20 the possibility of life on Mars, and probably because of his Eastern = European=20 origins, as opposed to Thomas Edison who was Mister All-American and = more of a=20 public relations manipulator than Nikki.
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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C60346.3FF199B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 03:12:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C3333BECC; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=T4wkzCmyMe6nSqXsJUNkSXi4465UGt2aR1ez2Z+brTIg8yukwuUroTXnUl/Xw7Lf; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051201831745310@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: TheBrokenMusicBox: an online looping experiment Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:17:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940be6e1f40f21691f7fcb3932fe062ea57350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.145.190 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC) My daughter had a music box that was broken in a fascinating way: it played the whole song in 1 second, like a "blipvert." Wish I could find that thing! Jack-in-the-boxes have a wonderful timbre, too, different from music boxes. More like a kalimba. Rick, I will check out your creation on Monday when I don't have to worry about waking anybody up. I have a feeling I'm in for a treat. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: loop.pool > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Date: 12/16/2005 6:48:58 AM > Subject: TheBrokenMusicBox: an online looping experiment > > I discovered a very cool free sample site last night > http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/ > run coincidentally by my friend Bram who is one of the freeware plugin > developers at the marvelous SmartElectronix.com collective. > > One of the interesting things about the site is that you can preview the > free samples there by either triggering them as a one shot or > by hitting a loop button and then triggering them as a continuous loop. > > I was searching for toy piano, music box, old wheezy organ and out of tune > piano samples because, hey, I'm weird > and so I found a sample pack of Toy Music Box samples. > > Much to my delight I discovered that I could improv on the site by turning > the loops of the individual Music Box notes on and off. > I also discovered that I could run as many loops as I felt like it in real > time. > > So the tune is in the spirit of the real time looping (in this case using my > mouse and my computer only) > > It's called "The Broken Music Box" and if you are curious, below is the > process I used to improvised the piece. > It's free to download and hear at www.looppool.info/TheBrokenMusicBox/ > > I hope you like it. > > ************** > > Here's a description of my unconventional process: > > I used the preview looping capabilties of the FREESOUND site to do an improv > with all of the toy music box samples...............looping and turning on > and off the various samples, running simultaneously............I recorded > this improv in real time into Sound Forge. > > Then I took that improv and played it back in real time as I used the mouse > to > grab the moving cursor and manipulate it in ways that screwed up the > computer > (I even crashed it with the blue screen of death once...........I'm never > even seen a blue > screen as long as I've run Win XP.............lol). > > I love this technique for confusing the computer while playing back in Sound > Forge. > > all of this I recorded into Cool Edit Pro (because Sound Forge won't allow > multiple instances > to run simultaneously. > > I took the results and then basically just slashed sections out of it until > I like the final result..................then I threw it into Fruity Loops > and played with speed of play back and triggering heavily verbed instances > of the tracks: sometimes synchonously, sometimes not. > > Next, I tried to think of what Ravel would do to the piece if he were alive > today and I wrote the String parts in Fruity Loops. > > Everything I did with a mouse and the computer. > > It's sort of neo classical/glitch music and is pretty outside of the > mainstream but I'm really happy with it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 07:29:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 982EA3BEC7; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:30:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the perfect [sic] controller X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: <20051216220138.6436B3BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051217101619.028f8d90@tiscali.co.uk> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Per, > the design mistake with the Behringer FCB1010 is that > both rows of buttons are designed of the same height. 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Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 15:53:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67E803BEC1; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007e01c603eb$32c5cea0$26b5ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:53:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01C603B0.84B994C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhartung.com<) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 78, in=47255, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:53:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C603B0.84B994C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, have I got an idea! Why should I hord these MRI sound clips? I'm = feeling the giving and sharing Xmas spirit...let's share the love. With = Michael's approval, I'd like to propose "Project MRI" as a new = CT-Collective project. I'll share the MRI found clips on my server and = write up the project proposal and parameters for the CT Collective = group. If you are on that list, look out for my proposal in the next = few days! :) And if I really like how this turns out, I would be willing to produce = the project on physical CD. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Well, I got my Xmas wish....one of my musical collegues has a friend = at Standford University. He recorded an entire MRI session for me with a = Sony mindisk and external mic. He said the whole bit about absolutely no = metal objects being in the room is nonesense....maybe that was for older = machines? Not sure. It depends on the type of metal and the distance = from the machine. I'll send you all out the piece of music I write with = these clips as soon as I'm done. :) I plan on manipulating the clips = with some EQ, VST effects, etc and then using them as a backdrop for = some experimental/abstract looping. Fun! Thanks all for all the great input and discussion. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower = back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they = pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire = body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 = minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What = I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like = hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial = like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it = was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point = in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg = twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the = amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he = said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, = encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, = chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of = changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting = vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces = an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes = captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as = an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list? Kris ***************************************************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C603B0.84B994C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, have I got an idea!  Why = should I hord=20 these MRI sound clips? I'm feeling the giving and sharing Xmas = spirit...let's=20 share the love. With Michael's approval, I'd like to propose "Project = MRI" as a=20 new CT-Collective project. I'll share the MRI found clips on my server = and write=20 up the project proposal and parameters for the CT Collective = group.  If you=20 are on that list, look out for my proposal in the next few days! =20 :)
 
And if I really like how this turns = out, I would be=20 willing to produce the project on physical CD.
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 17, = 2005 4:55=20 PM
Subject: Re: The MRI and = Looping: For=20 Ambient & Experimental Music?

Well, I got my Xmas wish....one of my = musical=20 collegues has a friend at Standford University. He recorded an entire = MRI=20 session for me with a Sony mindisk and external mic. He said the whole = bit=20 about absolutely no metal objects being in the room is = nonesense....maybe that=20 was for older machines? Not sure.  It depends on the type of = metal=20 and the distance from the machine.  I'll send you all out the = piece of=20 music I write with these clips as soon as I'm done. :)  I plan on = manipulating the clips with some EQ, VST effects, etc and then using = them as a=20 backdrop for some experimental/abstract looping. Fun!
 
Thanks all for all the great input = and=20 discussion.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, = 2005 4:25=20 PM
Subject: The MRI and Looping: = For=20 Ambient & Experimental Music?

I just had a most exhilarating = experience: my=20 first MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid down on = a=20 sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube = with=20 mere inches around my entire body.  They put large = headphones on=20 my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into = a seemingly=20 euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were a series of = interesting=20 sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating = cycles,=20 bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It was = delightful. =20 The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone to actually=20 enjoy that procedure.  At one point in time, I was in = a half=20 waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching.  I could = have=20 stayed in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is = that=20 when I asked about the source of the sounds, he said they were not=20 mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased in metal, = was a=20 giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool = minus 270=20 degrees.  The sounds were a result of changes they were making = in the=20 electrical current and the resulting vibrations to the machine.=20 Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my back,=20 however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, I = would love to=20 have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could = use it=20 for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental=20 looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians on = the=20 list?
 
Kris
 
*****************************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational = Looping=20 Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com
Di= scography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C603B0.84B994C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 16:03:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14D093BECC; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jRzH+QJQblf3z1X0eu3PPRkX9oWsgWe7mO3iDB6Pw+aVR1zsTeX+yUt4+12lv25q5SzY9iKQq/F1X3N4bOQKBmipIGLCsu/BpA6sRNZ+ylCdFENNRGCnNBh1cRGLDPTzMjRxjDAYDotOsyt6T7GXjBN5VLVlU4GwrDQoYWSaceQ= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512180803s39947006me1cd140e306b2e8a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:03:04 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? In-Reply-To: <007e01c603eb$32c5cea0$26b5ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <007e01c603eb$32c5cea0$26b5ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:03:06 +0000 (UTC) On 12/18/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > Hey, have I got an idea! Why should I hord these MRI sound clips? I'm > feeling the giving and sharing Xmas spirit...let's share the love. With > Michael's approval, I'd like to propose "Project MRI" as a new CT-Collect= ive > project. May I ask what the CT-Collective is? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 16:06:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 533D73BEC5; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A58948.3070409@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:07:36 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Analog to digital conversion - sample rate References: <66BB00BB0F759294A5DB1BF5@[192.168.1.110]> In-Reply-To: <66BB00BB0F759294A5DB1BF5@[192.168.1.110]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Bob Amstadt wrote: > It is a very interesting topic and for those of your interested in it, > I highly recommend that you take courses or do some experimentation. > It is a fun topic to explore. I also recommend some historical background that is just amazing. From : 1928 Bell Labs researcher Harry Nyquist develops Sampling Theory. It states provides that if a signal is sampled at twice its nominal highest frequency, the samples will contain all of the information in the original signal. : When electrical engineers hear the name "Nyquist," they think of what Harry Nyquist is best known for: his Sampling Theorem. Evidence of its importance is everywhere. Products like cell phones, audio CDs, and iPods are all based on the broad-shouldered foundation of the theorem, and that alone is enough to place Nyquist among the industry's greats. But Harry Nyquist had many other, lesser known accomplishments, a number of which resonate strongly today. (more...) : ... In 1927 Nyquist determined that an analog signal should be sampled at regular intervals over time and at twice the frequency of its highest-frequency component in order to be converted into an adequate representation of the signal in digital form. Nyquist published his results in the paper Certain topics in Telegraph Transmission Theory (1928). This rule is now known as the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem. ... Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 16:09:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 955ED3BED3; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:12:50 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80512180803s39947006me1cd140e306b2e8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <007e01c603eb$32c5cea0$26b5ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <353e2ed80512180803s39947006me1cd140e306b2e8a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:09:51 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, David Morton wrote: > May I ask what the CT-Collective is? http://www.ct-collective.com/ http://www.ct-collective.com/index.cfm?page=aboutus regards, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 17:26:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEB453BECD; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:26:45 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: the perfect [sic] controller In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <054301c603f8$38f60da0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-15hMB.A.xyF.HvZpDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:26:31 +0000 (UTC) I used to think pedals were essential, but I've become a believer in up/down buttons to change continuous values - they're lighter than pedals, don't have the "synchronization" issues, and work well, in my experience, for volume changes. I've been thinking for a while I'd like something like the Behringer, with the footpedals gone (with one input for an external pedal in those cases when you just can't do without), but with up/down sensing on the switches (i.e., a separate MIDI event for the switch up, not just the switch down). This would allow sw to detect "long presses" of a button, a la EDP, and also to increase or decrease volume as long as a switch was held down. (without this function in the Behringer, I've had to implement a separate footswitch to initiate a Fade function - otherwise I could just hold a switch down). In my fantasy world, at least a couple of the switches (available to be used for up/down) would be pressure sensitive (and probably convey this via Aftertouch messages), so that you could fade faster by leaning into it more. A 4-6 char display over each button that could be set via a MIDI message would be awesome! If we had to settle for a single display, give me a large one with enough space to label each switch, please. THE DISPLAY MUST BE PROGRAMMABLE VIA MIDI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (like I can make "demands" of a theoretical product that I probably can't afford... But I think this is really important). As far as the sw structure of the footpedal, I don't think it needs much, apart from MIDI knowledge - as a programmer my bias is towards interpreting everything at the computer. I think 12 buttons, as Per suggests, is right: the receiving sw can interpret two buttons as bank up/down if it wishes, and relabel all the buttons on the fly. That way, although you do have to supply logic for a MIDI interpreter in the footunit, you don't have to create a preset editing system, which is bound to be a time-consuming and thankless process. HOWEVER, then you're limiting the use of the unit to musicians with smart instruments and making it fairly unsuitable for the average gtr player controlling a rig. Which is probably just the right thing to do. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 2:38 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: the perfect [sic] controller > > > >> Now, as Brian wrote, if the midi gurus on this list (I don't > >> belong to them) > >> could try to develop and agree on a specification ... > > On Dec 17, 2005, at 11:17, a k butler wrote: > > > Is that project still viable when we all say it has to be > > programmable by the user? > > > I don't necessarily say so. If not making it programmable can keep > costs down I would go with that. But that's only because I know that > most of my looping tools are software based and will let me assign > needed function to whatever controller data sent out by the physical > controller. Speaking about design, I think twelve buttons and one > pedal is optimal. Since portability is important, buttons have to be > crammed into a small area but yet not blocking the way for other > buttons. One idea might be to look at the piano with a first row of > lower (white) buttons and a second row of higher (black") buttons. > For example, the design mistake with the Behringer FCB1010 is that > both rows of buttons are designed of the same height. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 17:42:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDF763BEDC; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <054301c603f8$38f60da0$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <054301c603f8$38f60da0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: the perfect [sic] controller Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:42:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:42:50 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 18, 2005, at 18:26, Warren Sirota wrote: > I think 12 buttons, as Per suggests, is right: > the receiving sw can interpret two buttons as bank up/down if it > wishes, and > relabel all the buttons on the fly. Well, the reason I want twelve button is that there are twelve half tone steps on an octave :-) These days almost all my looping activities incorporate pitch transposing. So, maybe I should have wished for fourteen buttons then? But if the "Bank Change" button is virtual and can be addressed by MIDI we may use all twelve physical buttons to play music with. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 22:58:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA1243BEB5; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:59:19 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers In-reply-to: <054301c603f8$38f60da0$0302a8c0@Lightning> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <05f201c60426$ad7e6d10$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:58:01 +0000 (UTC) This is really dreaming, but do you think that, for enough $$, it would be possible to build in a very-sturdily-cushioned 8-in/2-out computer audio interface (OK, 4 in would do in a pinch, 6 would be better), and let me connect the whole thing up to the computer with a single firewire or usb cable, and forget about midi cables and external interfaces altogether? I'd sell my MOTU 828 and find a way to come up with $1000 or more for that combination. I wouldn't even mind if it was a bit heavy. I could just go to a gig with my guitar, the fc/interface, laptop and plug into a sound system. *That* would be awesome. Probably a pretty limited market, I guess. Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 23:20:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD9B73BEB5; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Eon-Dm: dm20 X-Eon-Sig: AQHNrK5Dpe7U0+VvfAIAAAAB,e25d4b189cda8651f9140309c97af8d1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:20:52 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [201.217.167.246] Message-Id: <20051218152052.327CB46C@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:20:54 +0000 (UTC) I'm building something like that for my personal use,i just bought a= 4 port usb hub,an usb joystick (8 buttons and four axis),added a diy usb a= udio interface ( add you your favourite one,from m-audio or similar)... i a= lso bought a 512mb pendrive,that's inside the box ( the box has 8 foostswit= ches wired to the joystick buttons) so you can have the installer for the p= lugins/programs you need,and your custom banks...in the software side vmidi= joy or nial's pedalboard let you convert the joystick events into midi even= ts...and you'll connect everything via a single usb cable ...my footpedal i= s not self powered,because the usb audio card  i built is not so good = in the analog section,but has spdif input ,so i added a diy a/d converter w= ith a transformer at the output of the spdif signal,for having complete gal= vanic isolation from the electronics in the notebook or pc...but as i told = ,all of this hassle is avoided by using a better usb inbterface than mine
Hope this is a bit of contribution to the crazy pedalboard idea = :-)

Best!

Maneco
 
my creations...
http://mane= colooper.tripod.com

my music...
http://rendher.tripod.com

--- Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

From: Wa= rren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:59:1= 9 -0500
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Even crazier= thoughts about ideal footcontrollers

This is really dreaming, but d= o you think that, for enough $$, it would be
possible to build in a very= -sturdily-cushioned 8-in/2-out computer audio
interface (OK, 4 in would = do in a pinch, 6 would be better), and let me
connect the whole thing up= to the computer with a single firewire or usb
cable, and forget about m= idi cables and external interfaces altogether? I'd
sell my MOTU 828 and = find a way to come up with $1000 or more for that
combination. I wouldn'= t even mind if it was a bit heavy. I could just go to
a gig with my guit= ar, the fc/interface, laptop and plug into a sound system.
*That* would = be awesome. Probably a pretty limited market, I guess.

Best wishes,<= br>Warren Sirota


 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 23:27:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0D923BECD; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:27:50 +0000 Message-Id: <121820052327.23365.43A5F0760004D2E800005B4521979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Native Instruments makes something kind of like what you describe, but not 100%: http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=rigcontrol2_us&ftu=5d15f2008e Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 23:31:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF4983BED5; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Eon-Dm: dm22 X-Eon-Sig: AQHNrK5DpfFSANOEagIAAAAB,0777989ffb1b3442487942bc28c1d6e3 Content-Type: text/html Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:31:30 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [201.217.167.246] Message-Id: <20051218153130.327CDEE7@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Yes,that's exactly what inspired me to build on a budget,also this link

http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2004/10/diy-week-pt-1-naills-computer-pedal.html


 
my creations...
http://manecolooper.tripod.com

my music...
http://rendher.tripod.com

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From: mwsmart@insightbb.com
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:27:50 +0000
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers




Native Instruments makes something kind of like what you describe, but not 100%:

http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=rigcontrol2_us&ftu=5d15f2008e

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net


 
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< /html> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 18 23:44:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF43E3BEEC; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:44:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <05f201c60426$ad7e6d10$0302a8c0@Lightning> thread-index: AcYEJoAJ+ArJakovSfyZbcEtq+BHMAABaMJA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20051218234440.798B83BEDD@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:44:40 +0000 (UTC) I think the RME multiface is the best analog/digital i/o box out there. it connects to the laptop via firewire thru a cardbus (or pci card). For under $1000, you get - 8 analog line I/Os with 24 Bit/96kHz conversion - 1 ADAT digital I/O - 1 SPDIF digital I/O - 1 x Word clock I/O - MIDI I/O high-speed MIDI - Hi-Power headphone output for independent submix _very_ low latency (needed for guitar processing in realtime) and _very_ reliable! I love mine. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MultiCardBun/ -----Original Message----- From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers This is really dreaming, but do you think that, for enough $$, it would be possible to build in a very-sturdily-cushioned 8-in/2-out computer audio interface (OK, 4 in would do in a pinch, 6 would be better), and let me connect the whole thing up to the computer with a single firewire or usb cable, and forget about midi cables and external interfaces altogether? I'd sell my MOTU 828 and find a way to come up with $1000 or more for that combination. I wouldn't even mind if it was a bit heavy. I could just go to a gig with my guitar, the fc/interface, laptop and plug into a sound system. *That* would be awesome. Probably a pretty limited market, I guess. Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 00:42:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9AF83BECC; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:41:34 +0100 From: lucabonvini Subject: EDP Footpedal buttons problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A601BE.6040604@free.fr> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, fr-fr, fr, en-ie, zh-cn, User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Hello, please can somebody tell me a way to clean the buttons of the footpedal of the EDP? I opened it (gosh, what an effort with that screws) but I cannot figure out how to clean that buttons properly. Thank you very much, ( I looked in the archives but could not find anything) Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 00:48:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B995B3BED5; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Xp4/RQZWOp4pAa1FXl+ApOSJ0Y9X/5AuSZoFkAy6Vb357rJ84eFNYBK6t79EoRZDwUvS1xy2GZnTfhJen19jrkenMYgQYC/PVgdokjftnOgt0aSkIzjacrgQFV4pLOrBmPY4t9YJR5ixZ5Ow1RKU3GaMSM6pHJkIVZ4+YyPewBU= ; Message-ID: <20051219004810.73233.qmail@web86801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:48:10 +0100 (CET) From: obadia Subject: Random radio sounds (first try) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80512180803s39947006me1cd140e306b2e8a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:48:28 +0000 (UTC) hello, i just gave my first solo/looping concert. what i did was basically sampling small fragments of FM radio broadcasts from an old ghetto blaster, in real time, using Sooperlooper thru AbletonLive, with a bit of MicroModular. i'm not sure these pieces have a great value 'as recordings' but if you are curious, i just uploaded a few excerpts and i'm happy to share them: http://www.clumsybeats.org/gig.html thank you for all your past advices :) ... i couldn't have made it without the list. (: Stephane Obadia ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 02:22:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34E5D3BECF; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=G2xYE9QRKd6FMDQGjkW7Uza6tMIVuWDezBnv4lwUEMoQaqWs9WNDQzGoehyR4BwU; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005121192289830@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:28:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940d53adeb205f1ae57269a853fafc33b95350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.54 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:22:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cool! Klank klank chung chung pow pow whirrrrrrrrrrr ~T ----- Original Message ----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/18/2005 10:53:38 AM Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Hey, have I got an idea! Why should I hord these MRI sound clips? I'm feeling the giving and sharing Xmas spirit...let's share the love. With Michael's approval, I'd like to propose "Project MRI" as a new CT-Collective project. I'll share the MRI found clips on my server and write up the project proposal and parameters for the CT Collective group. If you are on that list, look out for my proposal in the next few days! :) And if I really like how this turns out, I would be willing to produce the project on physical CD. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? Well, I got my Xmas wish....one of my musical collegues has a friend at Standford University. He recorded an entire MRI session for me with a Sony mindisk and external mic. He said the whole bit about absolutely no metal objects being in the room is nonesense....maybe that was for older machines? Not sure. It depends on the type of metal and the distance from the machine. I'll send you all out the piece of music I write with these clips as soon as I'm done. :) I plan on manipulating the clips with some EQ, VST effects, etc and then using them as a backdrop for some experimental/abstract looping. Fun! Thanks all for all the great input and discussion. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music? I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower back). This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire body. They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It was delightful. The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure. At one point in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching. I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees. The sounds were a result of changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my back, however. ...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping. Are there any MRI technicians on the list? Kris ***************************************************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Cool! Klank klank chung chung pow pow whirrrrrrrrrrr
~T
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 12/18/2005 10:53:38 AM
Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music?

Hey, have I got an idea!  Why should I hord these MRI sound clips? I'm feeling the giving and sharing Xmas spirit...let's share the love. With Michael's approval, I'd like to propose "Project MRI" as a new CT-Collective project. I'll share the MRI found clips on my server and write up the project proposal and parameters for the CT Collective group.  If you are on that list, look out for my proposal in the next few days!  :)
 
And if I really like how this turns out, I would be willing to produce the project on physical CD.
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music?

Well, I got my Xmas wish....one of my musical collegues has a friend at Standford University. He recorded an entire MRI session for me with a Sony mindisk and external mic. He said the whole bit about absolutely no metal objects being in the room is nonesense....maybe that was for older machines? Not sure.  It depends on the type of metal and the distance from the machine.  I'll send you all out the piece of music I write with these clips as soon as I'm done. :)  I plan on manipulating the clips with some EQ, VST effects, etc and then using them as a backdrop for some experimental/abstract looping. Fun!
 
Thanks all for all the great input and discussion.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 4:25 PM
Subject: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental Music?

I just had a most exhilarating experience: my first MRI (on my lower back).  This was amazing. I laid down on a sliding table, and they pushed me into a sarcophagus like tube with mere inches around my entire body.  They put large headphones on my head, and then for the next 30 minutes I was eased into a seemingly euphoric and meditative state. What I heard were a series of interesting sounds...from jackhammer-like hammering, to buzzing or vibrating cycles, bizarre sci-fi industrial like sounds, and so on. It was delightful.  The MRI technician said it was a rarity for someone to actually enjoy that procedure.  At one point in time, I was in a half waking/dream state and was awoke by my leg twitching.  I could have stayed in there most of the day. And the amazing thing is that when I asked about the source of the sounds, he said they were not mechanically generated; rather, around my body, encased in metal, was a giant electrical coil surrounded by helium, chilled down to a cool minus 270 degrees.  The sounds were a result of changes they were making in the electrical current and the resulting vibrations to the machine. Unbelievable...not sure how all that produces an image of my back, however.
 
...anyway, I started thinking, I would love to have that 30 minutes captured on a digital recorder so that I could use it for looping or as an ambient backdrop to my more experimental looping.
 
Are there any MRI technicians on the list?
 
Kris
 
*****************************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com
Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 02:41:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A94EF3BEDE; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007301c60445$bd191530$bee04744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20051219004810.73233.qmail@web86801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Random radio sounds (first try) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:41:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Where was the performance held? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "obadia" To: Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: Random radio sounds (first try) > hello, > i just gave my first solo/looping concert. > what i did was basically sampling small fragments of > FM radio broadcasts from an old ghetto blaster, in > real time, using Sooperlooper thru AbletonLive, with a > bit of MicroModular. > > i'm not sure these pieces have a great value 'as > recordings' but if you are curious, i just uploaded a > few excerpts and i'm happy to share them: > http://www.clumsybeats.org/gig.html > > thank you for all your past advices :) ... i couldn't > have made it without the list. > (: > > Stephane Obadia > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les > tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. > Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 05:43:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDA323BEC2; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051218234440.798B83BEDD@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051218234440.798B83BEDD@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4C5BDE6E-F580-4EA5-8FC7-A767158614C4@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:43:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:43:51 +0000 (UTC) I started building a box very similar to the one Warren described. But then I got this job with native-instruments and i should be using that rig kontrol 2 within a few weeks. (i will post on my experiences with it). So for now i am sticking with my current midi only foot controller. Good news is the NI rig kontrol has midi i/o so my current controller will still be part of the rig. As soon as possible i plan to rackmount a mac mini and get the whole rig boxed up nicely. To be honest my hope is to find a 15 or 17 inch powerbook with a bad screen or otherwise broken so i can rackmount it's guts, that way i can use an RME cardbus interface. Fingers crossed. What your talking about (warren) is definitely possible, i make those sorts of things. If you want to contact me off list we can discuss options. - b > From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:59 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers > > This is really dreaming, but do you think that, for enough $$, it > would be > possible to build in a very-sturdily-cushioned 8-in/2-out computer > audio > interface (OK, 4 in would do in a pinch, 6 would be better), and > let me > connect the whole thing up to the computer with a single firewire > or usb > cable, and forget about midi cables and external interfaces > altogether? I'd > sell my MOTU 828 and find a way to come up with $1000 or more for that > combination. I wouldn't even mind if it was a bit heavy. I could > just go to > a gig with my guitar, the fc/interface, laptop and plug into a > sound system. > *That* would be awesome. Probably a pretty limited market, I guess. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 11:38:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A97B53BEC1; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CALYkpkOCFIUsPg Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051219112651.02856eb0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:37:44 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:sample rate In-Reply-To: <20051219024141.06C923BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051219024141.06C923BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:38:03 +0000 (UTC) >Bell Labs researcher Harry Nyquist develops Sampling Theory. It >states provides that if a signal is sampled at twice its nominal >highest frequency, the samples will contain all of the information >in the original signal. Which is clearly not true :-) There's no way to keep the phase information for a signal sampled at only twice it's frequency. Only the amplitude. Or, alternatively, as Jon explained, a 22050Hz signal is only captured by 44100Hz sampling if the sampling happens to occur at the peaks and troughs of the signal, and not at the zero crossing points. I've never seen that in a text book, which causes me some concern, but it's very obvious. I guess that the Nyquist Theorum is misquoted somewhat here (and generally). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 12:17:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D162D3BED0; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <05f201c60426$ad7e6d10$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <05f201c60426$ad7e6d10$0302a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1E0F05C6-6CC6-4550-A6D4-028C5A9D86A6@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:17:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:17:07 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 18, 2005, at 23:59, Warren Sirota wrote: > t would be > possible to build in a very-sturdily-cushioned 8-in/2-out computer > audio > interface Why build one when you can buy it right away? ;-) On Dec 19, 2005, at 0:44, Bill Edmondson wrote: > I think the RME multiface is the best analog/digital i/o box out > there. it > connects to the laptop via firewire thru a cardbus (or pci card) I agree! I picked up my Multiface on recommendation some years ago and it is still serving me perfectly on laptops as well as tower machines. Mac or Windows doesn't matter, the interface (RME's software "DSP mixer") is exactly the same. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 14:36:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9335B3BEE1; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:34:28 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers In-reply-to: <20051218234440.798B83BEDD@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <018a01c604a9$52787d10$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, but it's not exactly built into a footcontroller, is it? Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 6:45 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers > > > I think the RME multiface is the best analog/digital i/o box > out there. it connects to the laptop via firewire thru a > cardbus (or pci card). For under $1000, you get > > - 8 analog line I/Os with 24 Bit/96kHz conversion > - 1 ADAT digital I/O > - 1 SPDIF digital I/O > - 1 x Word clock I/O > - MIDI I/O high-speed MIDI > - Hi-Power headphone output for independent submix > > _very_ low latency (needed for guitar processing in realtime) > and _very_ reliable! I love mine. > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MultiCardBun/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:59 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers > > This is really dreaming, but do you think that, for enough > $$, it would be possible to build in a > very-sturdily-cushioned 8-in/2-out computer audio interface > (OK, 4 in would do in a pinch, 6 would be better), and let me > connect the whole thing up to the computer with a single > firewire or usb cable, and forget about midi cables and > external interfaces altogether? I'd sell my MOTU 828 and find > a way to come up with $1000 or more for that combination. I > wouldn't even mind if it was a bit heavy. I could just go to > a gig with my guitar, the fc/interface, laptop and plug into > a sound system. > *That* would be awesome. Probably a pretty limited market, I guess. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 14:36:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38FB83BEE2; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:34:28 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers In-reply-to: <1E0F05C6-6CC6-4550-A6D4-028C5A9D86A6@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <018701c604a9$51e23080$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:36:14 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:17 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers > > > On Dec 18, 2005, at 23:59, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > t would be > > possible to build in a very-sturdily-cushioned 8-in/2-out computer > > audio > > interface > > > Why build one when you can buy it right away? ;-) Because I want it in the footcontroller, rather than in a separately-housed rackmount unit. I thought that was clear. I guess not. Maybe I'm just spoiled (or rather, would like to be), but I'd prefer to not have to carry 7 different components to a gig and spend 40 minutes getting all the wires going to the right places. I'd prefer the venues and audiences to think of me as a musician rather than an electrician. > > > > On Dec 19, 2005, at 0:44, Bill Edmondson wrote: > > I think the RME multiface is the best analog/digital i/o box out > > there. it > > connects to the laptop via firewire thru a cardbus (or pci card) > > I agree! I picked up my Multiface on recommendation some years ago > and it is still serving me perfectly on laptops as well as tower > machines. Mac or Windows doesn't matter, the interface (RME's > software "DSP mixer") is exactly the same. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 16:06:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7002C3BEE4; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IJ/WxL4ZQBWZZz5e8972gpXBP6uA8L2ciDu0QofYDDISB1htdst+he+VDvEgHVnEClKGJpce1gfqg4xpIEMgmAv22kfF607KJYbfRzHhTu0sYTiSusTCXmuWomkuywlcnv1t9FGbJ4C/nyrlvEprsULilY0Tnd7iNuld4Kc8x+c= ; Message-ID: <20051219160653.86336.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:06:53 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: reply to nemoguitar...from sah.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051218015631.509F73BEDC@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1605716397-1135008413=:85444" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:06:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-1605716397-1135008413=:85444 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit michael(nemoguitar)- i will still have plenty of gear....still too much probably... and i just got an old computer that has acid 4.0 on it, so i'm going to try to learn that (which for me i think will not be easy) and for xmas i asked santa for a zoom g2 (so some crazy zoom effects which i miss from my ol 9150, and the g2 has 5 sec of delay....which i want to try out......) so i have plenty of tools to make my crazy noises.... s--- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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and i just got an old computer that has acid 4.0 on it, so i'm going
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and for xmas i asked santa for a zoom g2 (so some crazy zoom effects
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1605716397-1135008413=:85444-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 16:35:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A01113BEF3; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Random radio sounds (first try) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:35:05 +0100 Message-ID: <005d01c604ba$38d3a360$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYEcaDoGvO6GNpeT863+YOpLCQZaQASAxfw In-Reply-To: <20051219004810.73233.qmail@web86801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:34:33 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.117.4 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:35:38 +0000 (UTC) > i just gave my first solo/looping concert.=20 > what i did was basically sampling small fragments of FM radio=20 > broadcasts from an old ghetto blaster, in real time, using=20 > Sooperlooper thru AbletonLive, with a bit of MicroModular. way cool, Stephane.=20 I've been doing basically the same thing for a year or two now (I've = looped a radio on loop festivals in Berlin and Z=FCrich, using nothing but an = EDP). Big fun. I'm still experimenting with this. Although there is lots of = random and the results aren't really controllable, people seem to like it, if = only for the novelty value. What I find especially interesting is the similarity of your output and mine. Here's my cut-up radio loops:=20 http://www.michaelpeters.de/mp3/cutupradio/index.htm best, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 17:06:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C90783BEF9; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:06:58 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers In-reply-to: <4C5BDE6E-F580-4EA5-8FC7-A767158614C4@the0verclock.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <020f01c604be$9f135720$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:06:11 +0000 (UTC) I will contact you shortly, Brian. This would be way cool. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Cass [mailto:b@the0verclock.com] > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:44 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers > > > I started building a box very similar to the one Warren described. > But then I got this job with native-instruments and i should > be using > that rig kontrol 2 within a few weeks. (i will post on my > experiences > with it). So for now i am sticking with my current midi only foot > controller. Good news is the NI rig kontrol has midi i/o so my > current controller will still be part of the rig. As soon as > possible > i plan to rackmount a mac mini and get the whole rig boxed up > nicely. > To be honest my hope is to find a 15 or 17 inch powerbook with a bad > screen or otherwise broken so i can rackmount it's guts, that way i > can use an RME cardbus interface. Fingers crossed. > > What your talking about (warren) is definitely possible, i > make those > sorts of things. If you want to contact me off list we can discuss > options. > > - b > > > > > > From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] > > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:59 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers > > > > This is really dreaming, but do you think that, for enough $$, it > > would be > > possible to build in a very-sturdily-cushioned 8-in/2-out computer > > audio > > interface (OK, 4 in would do in a pinch, 6 would be better), and > > let me > > connect the whole thing up to the computer with a single firewire > > or usb > > cable, and forget about midi cables and external interfaces > > altogether? I'd > > sell my MOTU 828 and find a way to come up with $1000 or > more for that > > combination. I wouldn't even mind if it was a bit heavy. I could > > just go to > > a gig with my guitar, the fc/interface, laptop and plug into a > > sound system. > > *That* would be awesome. Probably a pretty limited market, I guess. > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 17:13:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65FF23BEFE; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bb01c604bf$905f30e0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <005d01c604ba$38d3a360$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Random radio sounds (first try) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:13:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Never heard something like this, but I found both interesting ! Fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: RE: Random radio sounds (first try) > i just gave my first solo/looping concert. > what i did was basically sampling small fragments of FM radio > broadcasts from an old ghetto blaster, in real time, using > Sooperlooper thru AbletonLive, with a bit of MicroModular. way cool, Stephane. I've been doing basically the same thing for a year or two now (I've looped a radio on loop festivals in Berlin and Zürich, using nothing but an EDP). Big fun. I'm still experimenting with this. Although there is lots of random and the results aren't really controllable, people seem to like it, if only for the novelty value. What I find especially interesting is the similarity of your output and mine. Here's my cut-up radio loops: http://www.michaelpeters.de/mp3/cutupradio/index.htm best, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 17:53:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96A3D3BEF0; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <43A6F3A8.000083.03200@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:53:44 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_K1BROW18WCW000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <005d01c604ba$38d3a360$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Random radio sounds (first try) X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:53:44 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_K1BROW18WCW000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephane/Michael=0D =0D I am starting a new project and need elements like yours. I was going= to make them myself, but would rather save time and incorporate your works. Also, the addition of other artist alwasy adds more to the sound directio= n. =0D =0D To hear the type of work I do, visit http://myspace.com/loopersdf=0D =0D You can contact me at sonyart@comcast.net=0D =0D Thank you,=0D Sony Felberg=0D =0D PS: As always, full credit will be given...=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 12/19/05 08:35:39=0D To: Loopers Delight=0D Subject: RE: Random radio sounds (first try)=0D =0D > i just gave my first solo/looping concert.=0D > what i did was basically sampling small fragments of FM radio=0D > broadcasts from an old ghetto blaster, in real time, using=0D > Sooperlooper thru AbletonLive, with a bit of MicroModular.=0D =0D way cool, Stephane.=0D =0D I've been doing basically the same thing for a year or two now (I've loop= ed=0D a radio on loop festivals in Berlin and Z=FCrich, using nothing but an ED= P).=0D Big fun. I'm still experimenting with this. Although there is lots of ran= dom=0D and the results aren't really controllable, people seem to like it, if on= ly=0D for the novelty value.=0D =0D What I find especially interesting is the similarity of your output and=0D mine.=0D =0D Here's my cut-up radio loops:=0D http://www.michaelpeters.de/mp3/cutupradio/index.htm=0D =0D =0D best,=0D =0D Michael=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_K1BROW18WCW000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Stephane/Michael
 
    I am starting a new project and need elements lik= e yours. I was going to make them myself, but would rather save= time and incorporate your works. Also, the addition of other a= rtist alwasy adds more to the sound direction.
 
To hear the type of work I do, visit http://myspace.com/loopersdf
 
   You can contact me at sonyart@comcast.net
 
    Thank you,
    Sony Felberg
 
PS: As always, full credit will be given...
   
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 12/19/05 08:= 35:39
Subject: RE: Rando= m radio sounds (first try)
 
> i just gave my first solo/looping concert.
> what i did was basically sampling small fragments of FM radio
> broadcasts from an old ghetto blaster, in real time, using
> Sooperlooper thru AbletonLive, with a bit of MicroModular.
 
way cool, Stephane.
 
I've been doing basically the same thing for a year or two now (I've= looped
a radio on loop festivals in Berlin and Z=FCrich, using nothing but = an EDP).
Big fun. I'm still experimenting with this. Although there is lots o= f random
and the results aren't really controllable, people seem to like it, = if only
for the novelty value.
 
What I find especially interesting is the similarity of your output = and
mine.
 
Here's my cut-up radio loops:
 
 
best,
 
Michael
 
 
--------------Boundary-00=_K1BROW18WCW000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 19:37:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 375423BEF1; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1135021074!8074955!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8BEB@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The Dubharmonics of God Frequencies Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:37:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C604D3.B3EA38C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:37:57 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C604D3.B3EA38C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" loopers- as regards Fmax in humans, I read an article in the mag that turned into "sound on sound", back in the early nineties, in which rupert neve himself told this story of a desk that his company built which developed a strange fault. he & the complaining engineer could quite clearly distinguish between two supposedly identical channel strips on this desk- one sounded more "open" than the other. daft word for it, I agree, but that was the best they could do. upon examination, the "open" strip was found to have some defective soldering which resulted in a low-pass filter (in fact, one end of an inductor) being disconnected. mr neve reckoned that the difference should not have been audible, based on the received wisdom regarding Fmax in humans (even- perhaps especially- audio engineers). this led him to conduct some blind tests during which he played sines & squares at 8 or 9 KHz..... as has been pointed out, the first distinguishing feature of the latter waveform is the third harmonic at 20-odd KHz, which ought not to be appreciable in it's own right at this frequency. but it was, in the majority of these tests. I've tried it myself with some grado headphones. I'm not convinced I've eliminated other factors- IMD, level changes, the slight pitch change you sometimes get even with high end oscillators when changing frequency..... but I do think that the assumptions about Fmax which determined- for instance- the sample rate for CD, DAT & so forth, were naive, & somewhat influenced by the economics of realising the technology at that time. duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C604D3.B3EA38C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: The Dubharmonics of God Frequencies

loopers-
as regards Fmax in humans, I read an article in the = mag that turned into "sound on sound", back in the early = nineties, in which rupert neve himself told this story of a desk that = his company built which developed a strange fault. he & the = complaining engineer could quite clearly distinguish between two = supposedly identical channel strips on this desk- one sounded more = "open" than the other. daft word for it, I agree, but that = was the best they could do.

upon examination, the "open" strip was = found to have some defective soldering which resulted in a low-pass = filter (in fact, one end of an inductor) being disconnected. mr neve = reckoned that the difference should not have been audible, based on the = received wisdom regarding Fmax in humans (even- perhaps especially- = audio engineers).

this led him to conduct some blind tests during which = he played sines & squares at 8 or 9 KHz..... as has been pointed = out, the first distinguishing feature of the latter waveform is the = third harmonic at 20-odd KHz, which ought not to be appreciable in it's = own right at this frequency. but it was, in the majority of these = tests.

I've tried it myself with some grado headphones. I'm = not convinced I've eliminated other factors- IMD, level changes, the = slight pitch change you sometimes get even with high end oscillators = when changing frequency.....

but I do think that the assumptions about Fmax which = determined- for instance- the sample rate for CD, DAT & so forth, = were naive, & somewhat influenced by the economics of realising the = technology at that time.

duncan.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C604D3.B3EA38C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 22:10:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 692CA3BEDF; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A72FEC.6090402@pdq.net> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:10:52 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Open invitation to UncleDig.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Hello loopers! Just a quick note to let you know about a site that I've started: http://www.uncledig.com The site is an online community aimed at musicians who want to present their recorded work to the general public. It's only about 10 days old but we already have ~75 members, and a growing archive of songs and effects/technique demo clips from those members. I'm hoping that the community can have a strong presence from looping artists, too. Thus this slightly spammy note :) I haven't done much yet to publicize the site, yet traffic is at about 300 unique visitors per day (listening to ~2 songs/visitor). I have plans to do a lot more advertising and link exchanges, with the intent of getting some broad exposure for the members/contributors. Obviously, right now the site may not get you any more traffic than your own site does - but I'm hoping that will change in the near future. Come by and give it a look. Registration and participation are free - there are no catches. Your email address is privacy-safe, and you can control the copyright on the music you post there, either through Creative Commons, or your own existing copyrights. I just thought it might be a nice change of pace to create a place where people can share, collaborate, discuss and learn. This is also the place from which I'll begin to podcast a series of ongoing interviews with interesting people involved in various scenes - live looping, effects building, etc. Finally, this is where you'll be able to find the results of the 2005 Looper's Survey, after I compile them this week. Hope to see you there! Feel free to email me offlist if you have any questions. Dig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 22:25:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02F413BED8; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A73365.5070404@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:25:41 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new guy intro References: <00b601c600f1$a6ad9570$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <3BBC0856-49AA-4C61-911C-7443CCCC1D8C@the0verclock.com> In-Reply-To: <3BBC0856-49AA-4C61-911C-7443CCCC1D8C@the0verclock.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Brian Cass wrote: > I have been using reaktor and fm7 embedded inside Max/MSP for awhile to > do my looping business, but recently with the addition of some new home > made midi controllers i found it smoother and more fun to rebuild the > entire system in Max/MSP without the vst parasites. Wow, don't let this your boss to read, replacing reaktor with Max/MSP seem natural for me, but... How did you replace the fm7, did you completely resemble it in Max? I did a lot of DX7 sounds back in the 80s and was always considering to get a fm7, but I am not so much into synthesis nowadays. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 22:41:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FEA43BEE4; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43A73365.5070404@addcom.de> References: <00b601c600f1$a6ad9570$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <3BBC0856-49AA-4C61-911C-7443CCCC1D8C@the0verclock.com> <43A73365.5070404@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <10C5CCCA-D84B-401D-9C11-B7F1DE265301@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: new guy intro Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:41:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:41:52 +0000 (UTC) I didn't necessarily rebuild fm7 in max, i just made some basic synth stuff. I definitely didn't get the sound quality that fm7 (nor reaktor synth) provides, but i was able to avoid the whole midi into vst~ nightmare. I know it's not THAT hard (prepend midievent all that..), but with all the data that comes out of my midi guitar controller, it was a headache. It also seemed that several of my vst instruments were unreliable in the vst~ position. So I try to stay away from that now. I hope to build a really good solid synth in MSP one of these days, my needs are specific but not ridiculous, mostly cool lead sounds and the occasional pad (i am also on the lookout for a nord micro that i can cannibalize for this role). Only thing is that FM7 sounds so good and uses virtually no CPU. It maybe a DX7 clone, but it does have the suspicious ability to mimic the casio CZ line. Can anyone say Phase Distortion vs. Frequency Modulation. There's a debate for ya. Oh also, i tried using soundflower to get fm7, guitar rig, reaktor as stand alones to jive with max/msp. Another way to avoid vst~. While it did work fairly well, it didn't work all the time. So that got kicked to the curb too. As of right now I am actually looking at building my entire system into Guitar Rig 2, it's an incredible improvement over version 1. And I have been finding some nice ways to get synthlike tones from my guitar signal. The only thing that I might need to do is run a max patch for the more complicated midi routing. But getting midi between apps is far easier than audio still. I don't care what the Rewire believers say. - b On Dec 19, 2005, at 5:25 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Brian Cass wrote: >> I have been using reaktor and fm7 embedded inside Max/MSP for >> awhile to do my looping business, but recently with the addition >> of some new home made midi controllers i found it smoother and >> more fun to rebuild the entire system in Max/MSP without the vst >> parasites. > > Wow, don't let this your boss to read, replacing reaktor with Max/ > MSP seem natural for me, but... > How did you replace the fm7, did you completely resemble it in Max? > > I did a lot of DX7 sounds back in the 80s and was always > considering to get a fm7, but I am not so much into synthesis > nowadays. > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x--- > --_____-----------|---------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- > -- _|_)----|-----()---------- > ----------()------------x---- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 22:42:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CEBA3BEDA; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BqlBERkVwVQ5v8rGYf2LbKFmKwwo3e2kpWWGW0vNM1bWEWqa0MXAfnwEdrBPBkpEdlIWnReA2ZB+CpI++4bs9jzAGBdlyzFfTEqMmYCVUzaHBiAxfqjN61ySp683/F2wqDkUZVi/suhesFKzO4jYPqnQcosFXPCkNI4rhTs7Q6E= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512191442y6fc1728alc124aa35dd44952e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:42:08 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new guy intro In-Reply-To: <3BBC0856-49AA-4C61-911C-7443CCCC1D8C@the0verclock.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00b601c600f1$a6ad9570$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <3BBC0856-49AA-4C61-911C-7443CCCC1D8C@the0verclock.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6COiZ.A.jGB.CdzpDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:42:10 +0000 (UTC) On 12/15/05, Brian Cass wrote: > In other news - I have been getting down and dirty with the building > of custom midi controllers, thanks to the Midibox architecture and > (my favorite) the MidiTron from eric singer. This is something I've been looking at lately, would you mind saying what made you opt for the MidiTron over the Doepfer Pocket Electronic? D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 19 22:56:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BE443BED3; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80512191442y6fc1728alc124aa35dd44952e@mail.gmail.com> References: <00b601c600f1$a6ad9570$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <3BBC0856-49AA-4C61-911C-7443CCCC1D8C@the0verclock.com> <353e2ed80512191442y6fc1728alc124aa35dd44952e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: new guy intro Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:56:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:56:30 +0000 (UTC) i was a beta tester for the tron. it's like part of our family here. but beyond that- =95 the tron has more customizable midi messages, which is especially =20= useful if you are max user =95 it has 20 terminals (vs 16 on the doepfer i think?) =95 the terminals can also be outputs for running relays, motors, LEDs, =20= robot armies, etc.. i just met this the other day - http://ladyada.net/make/midisense/index.html and will be playing with it as soon as she gets some built in =20 january. i can't comment yet on it, except that it seems to me to be =20 very similar to the midibox concept. http://midibox.org which is also cool as hell. - b On Dec 19, 2005, at 5:42 PM, David Morton wrote: > On 12/15/05, Brian Cass wrote: >> In other news - I have been getting down and dirty with the building >> of custom midi controllers, thanks to the Midibox architecture and >> (my favorite) the MidiTron from eric singer. > > This is something I've been looking at lately, would you mind saying > what made you opt for the MidiTron over the Doepfer Pocket Electronic? > > D > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 00:02:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E18D3BED0; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:02:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JytpcGOxhf/LtjLIn/X76wzJUDiuru4TsmOR8w6G3KsQPL08CMkw9vtyZJSwrBDrrfOqlPv+GtDOjEJljaarz4KgHv2bgpwDQTdrlkpuhR4eGugTgBLY/KbBgSUOZFls1vBNYrc1dj97lYMrctLGwZlABPJUUAU/fLnf904N7jM= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512191602l7d7dea9cjfd0198b6053e4c32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:02:25 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new guy intro In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <00b601c600f1$a6ad9570$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <3BBC0856-49AA-4C61-911C-7443CCCC1D8C@the0verclock.com> <353e2ed80512191442y6fc1728alc124aa35dd44952e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:02:27 +0000 (UTC) QnJpYW4sIHRoYW5rIHlvdSBmb3IgdGhhdCBzdW1tYXJ5LgoKSSB0YWtlIGl0IHlvdSBrbm93IGFi b3V0IHRoZSBFb3dhdmUgRW9ib2R5PwoKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5lb3dhdmUuY29tL3BhZ2VfcHJvZHVp dC5waHA/cHJvZD0yOQoKT24gMTIvMTkvMDUsIEJyaWFuIENhc3MgPGJAdGhlMHZlcmNsb2NrLmNv bT4gd3JvdGU6Cj4gaSB3YXMgYSBiZXRhIHRlc3RlciBmb3IgdGhlIHRyb24uIGl0J3MgbGlrZSBw YXJ0IG9mIG91ciBmYW1pbHkgaGVyZS4KPgo+IGJ1dCBiZXlvbmQgdGhhdC0KPgo+IJUgdGhlIHRy b24gaGFzIG1vcmUgY3VzdG9taXphYmxlIG1pZGkgbWVzc2FnZXMsIHdoaWNoIGlzIGVzcGVjaWFs bHkKPiB1c2VmdWwgaWYgeW91IGFyZSBtYXggdXNlcgo+IJUgaXQgaGFzIDIwIHRlcm1pbmFscyAo dnMgMTYgb24gdGhlIGRvZXBmZXIgaSB0aGluaz8pCj4glSB0aGUgdGVybWluYWxzIGNhbiBhbHNv IGJlIG91dHB1dHMgZm9yIHJ1bm5pbmcgcmVsYXlzLCBtb3RvcnMsIExFRHMsCj4gcm9ib3QgYXJt aWVzLCBldGMuLgo+Cj4gaSBqdXN0IG1ldCB0aGlzIHRoZSBvdGhlciBkYXkgLQo+Cj4gaHR0cDov L2xhZHlhZGEubmV0L21ha2UvbWlkaXNlbnNlL2luZGV4Lmh0bWwKPgo+IGFuZCB3aWxsIGJlIHBs YXlpbmcgd2l0aCBpdCBhcyBzb29uIGFzIHNoZSBnZXRzIHNvbWUgYnVpbHQgaW4KPiBqYW51YXJ5 LiBpIGNhbid0IGNvbW1lbnQgeWV0IG9uIGl0LCBleGNlcHQgdGhhdCBpdCBzZWVtcyB0byBtZSB0 byBiZQo+IHZlcnkgc2ltaWxhciB0byB0aGUgbWlkaWJveCBjb25jZXB0Lgo+Cj4gaHR0cDovL21p ZGlib3gub3JnCj4KPiB3aGljaCBpcyBhbHNvIGNvb2wgYXMgaGVsbC4KPgo+Cj4gLSBiCj4KPgo+ Cj4KPiBPbiBEZWMgMTksIDIwMDUsIGF0IDU6NDIgUE0sIERhdmlkIE1vcnRvbiB3cm90ZToKPgo+ ID4gT24gMTIvMTUvMDUsIEJyaWFuIENhc3MgPGJAdGhlMHZlcmNsb2NrLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cj4g Pj4gSW4gb3RoZXIgbmV3cyAtIEkgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIGdldHRpbmcgZG93biBhbmQgZGlydHkgd2l0 aCB0aGUgYnVpbGRpbmcKPiA+PiBvZiBjdXN0b20gbWlkaSBjb250cm9sbGVycywgdGhhbmtzIHRv IHRoZSBNaWRpYm94IGFyY2hpdGVjdHVyZSBhbmQKPiA+PiAobXkgZmF2b3JpdGUpIHRoZSBNaWRp VHJvbiBmcm9tIGVyaWMgc2luZ2VyLgo+ID4KPiA+IFRoaXMgaXMgc29tZXRoaW5nIEkndmUgYmVl biBsb29raW5nIGF0IGxhdGVseSwgd291bGQgeW91IG1pbmQgc2F5aW5nCj4gPiB3aGF0IG1hZGUg eW91IG9wdCBmb3IgdGhlIE1pZGlUcm9uIG92ZXIgdGhlIERvZXBmZXIgUG9ja2V0IEVsZWN0cm9u aWM/Cj4gPgo+ID4gRAo+ID4KPiA+Cj4gPgo+Cj4K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 00:39:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD7CC3BED0; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <43A752CF.0000C2.03200@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:39:43 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: new site X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <0259rB.A.o2E.ML1pDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:39:40 +0000 (UTC) http://www.uncledig.com/ Hey, the site is cool and easy to use. 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Looper SDF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 00:54:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E338E3BEE6; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:54:50 +0000 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #823 From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051219024141.06C923BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=8.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DSBL autolearn=disabled version=3.0.4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:54:54 +0000 (UTC) > From: lucabonvini > Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:41:34 +0100 > To: > Subject: EDP Footpedal buttons problem > > Hello, please can somebody tell me a way to clean the buttons of the > footpedal of the EDP? I opened it (gosh, what an effort with that > screws) but I cannot figure out how to clean that buttons properly. > > Thank you very much, ( I looked in the archives but could not find anything) > > Luca Hi Luca, Get hold of some switch cleaner, some Blu-tack and a pencil. 1. Attach end of pencil to top of footswitch button with Blu-tack. 2. Spray switch cleaner down sides of red button. 3. Gently rotate pencil (and with it footswitch button) pressing GENTLY. 4. Repeat process five minutes later. This should clean the contacts, for a while at least. Worth doing before mission critical gigs if you don't mind looking like you can't afford a box of matches :) Best wishes Jeremy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 07:14:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9D3C3BEC7; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:13:42 +0100 Message-ID: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYFNOhDYlen+OqRRpScOkeqfCnSLw== X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:12:52 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.117.4 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:14:51 +0000 (UTC) who uses the Rocktron to control the EDP and can comment on its qualities? (and could possibly give me some advice on how to program it?) there is one for sale on eBay here in Germany ... -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 07:53:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EE993BEC2; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A7B881.6060709@soundscapes.us> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:53:37 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sample rate References: <20051219024141.06C923BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051219112651.02856eb0@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051219112651.02856eb0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:53:07 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: >> Bell Labs researcher Harry Nyquist develops Sampling Theory. It >> states provides that if a signal is sampled at twice its nominal >> highest frequency, the samples will contain all of the information in >> the original signal. > > Which is clearly not true :-) > There's no way to keep the phase information for a signal sampled > at only twice it's frequency. > Only the amplitude. > ... > I guess that the Nyquist Theorum is misquoted somewhat here > (and generally). Although you might be correct for a frequency of f when the sampling frequency is 2f, the theorem correctly stated says that it will be good for frquencies UP TO f Hz, i.e. not including f. So while you're correct for one frequency, f, the theorem holds 100% true for all frequencies below f and no information is lost. The mathematics bear out. For shorthand, the bandwidth of a system is stated as f Hz, not (f - 1) Hz. BTW, I dare anyone to tell me they can HEAR that 20kHz has a wrong phase relationship in a system sampled at 40kHz. Plus, in the real world, where there are no ideal filters, a guard band is built in. That's why an audio system that is designed to have a 20kHz bandwidth uses a sampling frequency of 44.1kHz. This also avoids the problem of 20kHz not having a proper phase relationship since it is less than half the sampling frequency, not exaclty half the sampling frequency. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 11:19:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BA9C3BEC7; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 20 Dec 2005 12:18:53 +0100 Message-ID: <51170.212.55.197.18.1135077533.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> From: "Bernhard Wagner" Reply-To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [Fwd: Austrian Music Exportletter - Dezember05] User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:19:07 +0000 (UTC) A big hand for list member Matthias Loibner and Natasa Mirkovic-De Ro who won an austrian world music award ! Bernhard ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Austrian Music Exportletter - Dezember05 From: "Austrian Music Export" Date: Tue, December 20, 2005 11:42 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Austrian Music Exportletter - Dezember05 - ÖSTERREICHISCHER WORLD MUSIC PREIS 2005 VERGEBEN - WIR GRATULIEREN DEN GEWINNERN - DIE STROTTERN UNTERWEGS IM KLANGKOSMOS - WELTMUSIK IN NORDRHEINWESTFALEN - LIVE-MUSIK TIPPS - AKTUELLE ÖSTERREICH-RELEASES - BRANDNEU ÖSTERREICHISCHER WORLD MUSIC PREIS 2005 VERGEBEN - WIR GRATULIEREN DEN GEWINNERN Der Wettbewerb ging am Samstag, den 3. Dezember 2005 im Wiener Jazzclub Porgy & Bess über die Bühne. Die Jury kürte Martin Lubenov's Jazzta Prasta zum Sieger, Natasa Mirkovic-De Ro & Matthias Loibner erhielten den Förderpreis 2005. Hotel Palindrone sind die Gewinner des World-Music-Publikumspreises 2005! Der junge bulgarische Akkordion-Virtuose Martin Lubenov zählt zu den besten Weltmusik-Jazzern, die zurzeit in Wien zu finden sind. Mit seinem Ensemble Jazzta Prasta, die jazzigere Miniversion des Martin Lubenov Orchesters, hat er gerade seine zweite CD veröffentlicht: >Veselina< wurde - wie schon Lubenov's Debut-Album, vom belgischen Label "Connecting Cultures" produziert und wird bereits im Frühjahr 2006 in den Läden erhältlich sein. www.cultureworks.at DIE STROTTERN UNTERWEGS IM KLANGKOSMOS - WELTMUSIK IN NORDRHEINWESTFALEN 25 Städte, nahezu 100 Konzerte von Januar bis Juni 2006 - der Klangkosmos hat sich inzwischen zu einem landesweiten Unternehmen ausgewachsen. Besonderes Augenmerk gilt auch dieses Mal wieder der traditionellen Musik, die übrigens gar nicht notwendigerweise von weit her kommen muss, wie etwa die „Dhoad Gypsies“ aus Rajasthan/Indien. Auch vor unserer Haustüre gibt es intensiv überlieferte Musik, die ihren ganz eigenen Charakter jenseits der europäischen Kunstmusik entwickelt hat: „Die Strottern“ aus Wien sind dafür nur ein Beispiel. Die Strottern gibt es seit 1996. In ihrem Repertoire legen sie besonderen Wert auf die Interpretation älterer Wienerlieder und G'stanzln. Mit sparsamen Arrangements wollen sie eher unbekannte Kostbarkeiten der Wiener Musik aufleben lassen und auch bekannte Wienerlieder in neuem Gewand präsentieren. Tourdaten und näheres über den Klangkosmos findet Ihr unter www.diestrottern.at bzw. www.nrw-kultur.de LIVE-MUSIK TIPPS - TONBANDTEST-FINALE | Live: Glückskleepflücker, Matt Boroff, King Tiger Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2005, Chelsea - WIENER TSCHUSCHENKAPELLE | >Mir san net nur mir<, 1. Januar 2006, Großes Neujahrskonzert im Volkstheater Wien, Beginn: 18:00 www.tschuschenkapelle.at - NEUE WIENER CONCERT SCHRAMMELN | Neujahrskonzert zum Sigmund Freud Jahr >Traumdeutung, Tabus, Sexualpathologie<, Otto Brusatti, Sonntag, 1. Jänner 2006, 16:00 Uhr, Radiokulturhaus, Argentinierstrasse 30A, 1040-Wien http://radiokulturhaus.orf.at/spielplan/ - BALLSAAL PALINDRONE | Jeden ersten Donnerstag im Monat ist der BALLSAAL PALINDRONE Tanzpodium und Experimentierfeld für lebendige traditionelle Tänze und Live-Musik. Am 5. Januar 2006 heißt es >Belgien zu Gast<. Wann: 19:00 Tanzkurs, 20:30 Konzert. Wo: Ost Bar Bühne Klub, Schwarzenbergplatz, 1040-Wien www.hotelpalindrone.com - !DELADAP | Ab Ende Januar 2006 wird es im Wiener Klub Ost jeden vierten Freitag im Monat den >!DelaDapCLUB< geben. Eröffnet wird die neue Clubnacht mit dem ersten !DELADAP Konzert im neuen Jahr am Fr. 27.01.2006. www.ost-klub.at AKTUELLE ÖSTERREICH-RELEASES BRANDNEU :: Rotifer - Before The Water Wars (Survival of Defeatist/Wohnzimmer) www.wohnzimmer.com :: Ben Martin - The Tiny Bits And Pieces (Wohnzimmer) www.wohnzimmer.com :: Martin Lubenov mit Jazzta Prasta Band - Veselina (Connecting Cultures/Hoanzl) www.hoanzl.at :: Glim - Aerial View of Model (Karate Joe Rec.) www.kjrec.com VORSCHAU :: coup deBam - coup deBam (Couch Records) Release Date: 27. 1. 2005 www.couchrecords.com Schubladisierer werden sich an coup deBam die Zähne ausbeißen. Das kosmopolitische Trio mit der Arbeitsbasis Wien liefert radiotaugliche Songs ebenso wie satt groovende Tracks und besticht dabei mit selten gehörter musikalischer Lockerheit. Das Album zieht seine Hörer schon mit der ersten Nummer in den Bann, wenn sich Barbara Bandis Gesang im Stil eines Jazzklassikers über sanft treibende Rhythmen legt. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 14:47:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5B5E3BEC7; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:47:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:47:42 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 20, 2005, at 2:13 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > who uses the Rocktron to control the EDP and can comment on its > qualities? > (and could possibly give me some advice on how to program it?) > there is one > for sale on eBay here in Germany ... -Michael Michael, As long as you have the newest flash plug in installed on your browser just go to http://www.rocktron.com and navigate to support/ online manuals and download the pdf manual of the all access. I hope this helps. Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 15:44:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF4CD3BEDA; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:24:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access From: Craig Mitchell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3217919050_89403_MIME_Part" X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <1RHstD.A.15H.LbCqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:44:11 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3217919050_89403_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 12/20/05 2:13 AM, Michael Peters at mp@mpeters.de wrote: > who uses the Rocktron to control the EDP and can comment on its qualities? > (and could possibly give me some advice on how to program it?) there is one > for sale on eBay here in Germany ... -Michael > I have a Rocktron All Access and two EDPs. (along with a rather large rack switching system) After some inital attempts at using the Rocktron to control the EDPs, I ended up using a FCB1010 instead. THe FCB1010's button are much better suited for loop control, stopping, starting, etc (IMHO) Very easy to program as well. The Roctron is pretty easy too though it was not as user friendly with the EDPs for me. THe All Access is great and I use it to control my rack but for just controlling the EDPs I would recommend saving a ton of money and using the FCB1010. I have both.... because I am crazy :P hope this helps! Craig --MS_Mac_OE_3217919050_89403_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Rocktron All Access on 12/20/05 2:13 AM, Michael Peters at mp@mpeters.de wrote:

> who uses the Rocktron to control the EDP and can comment on its qualit= ies?
> (and could possibly give me some advice on how to program it?) there i= s one
> for sale on eBay here in Germany ...  -Michael
>

I have a Rocktron All Access and two EDPs. (along with a rather large rack = switching system) After some inital attempts at using the Rocktron to contro= l the EDPs, I ended up using a FCB1010 instead.

THe FCB1010's button are much better suited for loop control, stopping, sta= rting, etc (IMHO) Very easy to program as well. The Roctron is pretty easy t= oo though it was not as user friendly with the EDPs for me.

THe All Access is great and I use it to control my rack but for just contro= lling the EDPs I would recommend saving a ton of money and using the FCB1010= .

I have both.... because I am crazy :P

hope this helps!

Craig --MS_Mac_OE_3217919050_89403_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 16:09:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 000EA3BEDE; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84E0A@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Echoplex Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:17:00 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C60580.CE40E4F0" Resent-Message-ID: <4NXQ3C.A.Z6.-yCqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:09:34 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C60580.CE40E4F0 Content-Type: text/plain Hi there! is there anyone there in Argentina (or South America) willing to sell an Echoplex? Kind regards, Ariel. Ariel Rzezak Bedelia UCES Buenos Aires, Argentina ------_=_NextPart_001_01C60580.CE40E4F0 Content-Type: text/html Re: Rocktron All Access
Hi there!
 
is there anyone there in Argentina (or South America) willing to sell an Echoplex?
 
Kind regards, Ariel.
 

Ariel Rzezak

Bedelía UCES

Buenos Aires, Argentina

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C60580.CE40E4F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 16:38:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AC793BEEC; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:37:47 +0100 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000b01c60583$b652c450$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_83HPiOEI+wl0vtlJt/AwKA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84E0A@earth.uces.edu.ar> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:38:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_83HPiOEI+wl0vtlJt/AwKA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Rocktron All AccessNot Echoplexes but another looping option is = coming from Maneco in Montevideo, not far away from you. http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ http://www.fmogearshop.com/gearshop.php?categoryID=3D10 http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=3D&threadid=3D= 1076043&highlight=3Dmanecolooper ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ariel Rzezak=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Echoplex Hi there! is there anyone there in Argentina (or South America) willing to sell = an Echoplex? Kind regards, Ariel. Ariel Rzezak Bedel=EDa UCES Buenos Aires, Argentina --Boundary_(ID_83HPiOEI+wl0vtlJt/AwKA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Rocktron All Access
Not Echoplexes but another looping = option is coming=20 from Maneco in
Montevideo, not far away from = you.
 
http://manecolooper.tripod.com/<= /A>
http://w= ww.fmogearshop.com/gearshop.php?categoryID=3D10
http://acapella.harmon= y-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=3D&threadid=3D1076043&highl= ight=3Dmanecolooper
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ariel=20 Rzezak
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, = 2005 5:17=20 PM
Subject: Echoplex

Hi=20 there!
 
is=20 there anyone there in Argentina (or South America) willing to sell an=20 Echoplex?
 
Kind=20 regards, Ariel.
 

Ariel Rzezak

Bedel=EDa UCES

Buenos Aires, = Argentina

 
--Boundary_(ID_83HPiOEI+wl0vtlJt/AwKA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 16:58:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D71093BEE0; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051220165802275.433991C0023D@mwinf0202.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <43A83814.9010907@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:57:56 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: custom power supplies: feasibility RE: RPTR issues References: <410-2200512119299690@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <410-2200512119299690@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Timothy Mungenast wrote: > "I have some Peavey gear, and they all come with very heavy 18V > >>AC power supplies. All the gear till now including an analog mixer runs >>just fine with a switching power supply that delivers only 12 V DC !!!" > > > So, Stefan, you're using a DC supply to power stuff that asks for AC, am I > hearing you right? > And nothing has blown up yet? > Cool!!! > I'm not sure how you you're making this work, but I'm fascinated ;-) > ~Tim The internals of all gear I know needs AC, and if you feed it with DC, there are just a bunch of diodes and capacitors which put it down to the correct voltages it needs inside, most likely lower than what you put in. The advantage is also, you don't have to worry about correct polarity. If it wants AC of 18 V, its not very dangerous to give it less than that as DC and just see if its happy with it. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 16:59:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79DC73BEEA; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051220165847525.804131C001F1@mwinf0209.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <43A83847.7010601@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:58:47 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers References: <05f201c60426$ad7e6d10$0302a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: <05f201c60426$ad7e6d10$0302a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Warren Sirota wrote: > I wouldn't even mind if it was a bit heavy. I could just go to > a gig with my guitar, the fc/interface, laptop and plug into a sound system. > *That* would be awesome. Probably a pretty limited market, I guess. Beside the NI controller, which just lacks the additional inputs, I recommend a little Quatafire plus a foot controller. Its just one Midi cable more, its very small (1/3 rackspace) and has 4 analog ins, two of them as mic/instrument in and two lines. And in the little box there are two! extra Midi in and outs. There is also in the same size a box from Presonus, but with only 1 Midi in/out. The Multiface is for sure equipped with much better converters, but it lacks the mic preamps, and thus you'd also need a mixer. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 16:59:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC0603BEFB; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051220165827412.649B31C001E6@mwinf0209.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <43A83832.7040801@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:58:26 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 - sample rate References: <20051215205727.9004.qmail@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051215205727.9004.qmail@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7mXOSB.A.kfC.hhDqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:59:13 +0000 (UTC) S V G wrote: > > Again, it's not so much about getting frequencies above 20K into our loopers, rather it's > about increasing the quality of sounds well within our hearing. If the frequencies at 20K are > only allotted 2 samples per wave cycle, then an octave down only gets 4 samples, 2 octaves down > only gets 8 samples, and 3 octaves down which is right around 2.5K only gets 16 samples per wave. > Sampling at 192 would offer us 64 samples at 2.5K. I don't know if my math is correct, but this > is how the numbers seem to be crunching. Also, if my crunching is correct, I'm not sure how > perceivable this higher sampling rate actually is. Perhaps someone on this list has experience > with these things? This is the most valid point for a looper: Whats in your loop above 20kHz which you might want to listen to when you play it back with varispeed of 1/4th of the original? That certainly will make a difference. Most of the other points are esoteric. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 17:17:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1ECB83BEF5; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:17:56 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: Looping in prehistory In-reply-to: <43A72FEC.6090402@pdq.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004501c60589$51fc3760$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:17:24 +0000 (UTC) I just rented the DVD of Joni Mitchell's Shadows and Light tour, which I saw at the SF Civic Center in 1979. This was the post-"Mingus" tour featuring Pat Metheny, the late Jaco Pastorius, and Michael Brecker. Once again, I am reminded of what a brilliant, radical songwriter and performer she was in her prime (maybe still, but musical fashion being what it is, you don't hear much from her anymore. And the more recent albums that I've heard haven't really broken new ground like her masterpieces, Mingus and Hejira). And an incredible and unique singer, as well. You don't see all that much of Jaco in the video - he was standing mostly on the other side of the stage, so when Joni's singing, mainly you see Metheny lurking behind her. But Jaco has a pretty big solo spot a few songs in, and he starts off by laying down two or three layers of loop. At some point he mutes it, and then later brings it back. I don't know what he was using - you can't see much of it - but it was really surprising and cool to be watching this great music and suddenly see a looper! Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 17:19:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 094293BEF0; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:19:48 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-reply-to: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: > who uses the Rocktron to control the EDP and can comment on its qualities? > (and could possibly give me some advice on how to program it?) there is one > for sale on eBay here in Germany ... -Michael I don't have one, but I did some research on it when shopping for a controller. In many ways it is the most powerful foot controller on the market today, but it is outrageously expensive. It has 15 switches in a 5x3 grid which you can configure as "instant access" or as "preset select" switches. For the EDP, instant access switches would be used for looping functions and the preset switches to send program changes to select EDP presets. The instant access switches can be configured as momentary switches for SUS functions using continuous controller messages, they cannot send notes but the EDP can recognize CC's. If you don't need to change EDP presets, then all 15 switches can be used for EDP functions. If you do want to change presets then the top two rows can be used for 10 functions and the bottom for 5 program changes. I didn't like having the program changes on the bottom row, since they are closest to the performer and would be more useful for the primary looping functions. I don't believe there is a way to configure it so that the program changes are on the top row and the function switches are on the bottom two rows. The bank select switches can be used to scroll through different configurations of the function switches, so with enough work you can get to every EDP function, but you will have to arrange them in banks of 15. The FCB1010 is in many ways less powerful but I would agree with Craig that it is better as an EDP controller. You have more control over the layout of the switches, any switch can be used for either functions or preset selection, and you get two pedals for volume and feedback. The only reason I would get an AllAccess instead of the FCB1010 is if you didn't like the size of the FCB, or if you had a lot of other gear you wanted to control from the same unit. The AA can send messages on all MIDI channels, the FCB is limited, but if all you want to do is control an EDP the AA is vast overkill. The AA also has those rugged metal switches that make noise, the FCB is much quieter which may make a difference for acoustic players. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 17:22:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 670A83BF0B; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20051218153130.327CDEE7@dm22.mta.everyone.net> References: <20051218153130.327CDEE7@dm22.mta.everyone.net> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:13:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:22:55 +0000 (UTC) this chip could also be a easy way to build an USB pedal (I did not study it): http://www.codemercs.com/SpinWvariantsE.html >Yes,that's exactly what inspired me to build on a budget,also this link > >http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2004/10/diy-week-pt-1-naills-computer-pedal.html > > > >my creations... >http://manecolooper.tripod.com > >my music... >http://rendher.tripod.com > >--- mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > >Native Instruments makes something kind of like what you describe, >but not 100%: > >http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=rigcontrol2_us&ftu=5d15f2008e > >Mark Smart >http://www.marksmart.net > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 17:23:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 769F63BF16; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <32F89157-4AF9-4780-8B64-0C81DAC69D46@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <32F89157-4AF9-4780-8B64-0C81DAC69D46@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <949edea6ce2eb28e140da4333b81479c@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: looperlative london demo Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:22:14 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Will be watching very carefully. I will try to get to Namm purely to see the unit. But if you are using it on the 12th I will come and check you out, keep us posted geoff. On 18 Dec 2005, at 00:31, Steve Lawson wrote: > >>>Could be exactly what I need to get away from my laptop back to > hardware again, The edp was good, superlooper was the progression I > wanted and now this could be exactly what I have been waiting for, for > the last 4 years. > Any news about uk availability as soon as you know would be great, and > also if it might be possible to demo the unit next year when it > arrives. > The ethernet is a very future proof sensible idea, forward thinking. > This is all very encouraging > and I will be buying one if it does what it says reliably.<<< > > Hi Geoff, > > I'll certainly be sorting out a London demo of the box as soon as I > can, and may well be using it at my gig at Darbucka in London on > January 12th... watch this space. > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 17:29:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E34013BF34; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:22:22 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers In-reply-to: <43A83847.7010601@addcom.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004f01c60589$f06272c0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-s65nD.A.SiD.C-DqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Very interesting. It's probably more practical to search for something compact like these than to try to build it into the footcontroller... Thanks. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:59 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Even crazier thoughts about ideal footcontrollers > > > Warren Sirota wrote: > > I wouldn't even mind if it was a bit heavy. I could just go > to a gig > > with my guitar, the fc/interface, laptop and plug into a > sound system. > > *That* would be awesome. Probably a pretty limited market, I guess. > > Beside the NI controller, which just lacks the additional inputs, I > recommend a little Quatafire plus a foot controller. Its just > one Midi > cable more, its very small (1/3 rackspace) and has 4 analog > ins, two of > them as mic/instrument in and two lines. And in the little > box there are > two! extra Midi in and outs. > > There is also in the same size a box from Presonus, but with > only 1 Midi > in/out. > > The Multiface is for sure equipped with much better > converters, but it > lacks the mic preamps, and thus you'd also need a mixer. > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x--- > --_____-----------|---------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- > -- _|_)----|-----()---------- > ----------()------------x---- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 17:37:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A3AD3BEF8; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:33:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:37:07 +0000 (UTC) > In many ways it is the most powerful foot controller > on the market today, but it is outrageously expensive. No. The Axess FX1 and Skrydstrup SC1 are the best controllers available. Those are the only two MIDI controllers I'd consider. As for cost, you get what you pay for. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 17:42:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA3233BF24; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84E0B@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Echoplex Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:49:27 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6058D.B8779490" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:42:07 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6058D.B8779490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks. I'll be ckecking them. =20 Ariel Rzezak Bedel=EDa UCES Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:trem@broadpark.no] Enviado el: Martes, 20 de Diciembre de 2005 01:38 p.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Re: Echoplex Not Echoplexes but another looping option is coming from Maneco in Montevideo, not far away from you. =20 http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ =20 http://www.fmogearshop.com/gearshop.php?categoryID=3D10 =20 http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=3D = &threadid=3D1076043&highlight=3Dmanecolooper =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ariel Rzezak=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' =20 Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Echoplex Hi there! =20 is there anyone there in Argentina (or South America) willing to sell = an Echoplex? =20 Kind regards, Ariel. =20 Ariel Rzezak Bedel=EDa UCES Buenos Aires, Argentina =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6058D.B8779490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Rocktron All Access
Thanks. I'll be ckecking them.
 

Ariel Rzezak

Bedel=EDa UCES

Buenos Aires, = Argentina

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Torstein H. Rem=20 [mailto:trem@broadpark.no]
Enviado el: Martes, 20 de = Diciembre de=20 2005 01:38 p.m.
Para:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Asunto: Re:=20 Echoplex

Not Echoplexes but another looping = option is=20 coming from Maneco in
Montevideo, not far away from = you.
 
http://manecolooper.tripod.com/=
http://= www.fmogearshop.com/gearshop.php?categoryID=3D10
http://acapella.harm= ony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=3D&threadid=3D1076043&hi= ghlight=3Dmanecolooper
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ariel=20 Rzezak
To: 'Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, = 2005 5:17=20 PM
Subject: Echoplex

Hi=20 there!
 
is=20 there anyone there in Argentina (or South America) willing to sell = an=20 Echoplex?
 
Kind regards, Ariel.
 

Ariel Rzezak

Bedel=EDa = UCES

Buenos Aires, = Argentina

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C6058D.B8779490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 17:45:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 047D13BF3E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NBStMxPmtgSupCjX5EE176A2jJEyMlCCgW1IETmrE//ARLS3JwdZP9Hbo/X70DE/CCI60IlNjT0aIW6lrJGWRUuts42XtAciitP6l1qcDE9r4+5SZL8oTQYev5PEaXpT7xzLutP+jaHPzTT2Ak4PblQC1eLDaVSVPpp4P6pcPak= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:45:37 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-Reply-To: <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Wow--the FX1 goes for $899, and the the SC1 is $1299. TravisH On 12/20/05, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > In many ways it is the most powerful foot controller > > on the market today, but it is outrageously expensive. > > No. The Axess FX1 and Skrydstrup SC1 are the best controllers > available. Those are the only two MIDI controllers I'd consider. As > for cost, you get what you pay for. > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 18:44:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 182723BEE4; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:44:09 +0100 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000b01c60595$5d4e33f0$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Uo+SHbGk/zqhTpSRqu4j/g)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84E0B@earth.uces.edu.ar> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:44:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Uo+SHbGk/zqhTpSRqu4j/g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Rocktron All AccessCheck out the Maneco`s. David Torn posted the = below today on the Gearpage and I agree with him, having two Echoplexes and a few Manecoloopers "maneco loopers offer the best (and most variable) options, imo, at = various prices. http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ on the other hand: if your looping direction might be more purely based on tight rhythmic = useage & hardcore rhythmic editing-on-the-fly, ya definitely oughta = check out spending the $$ on a gibson echoplex digital pro w/LooopIV = software. dt / spltrcl" http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=3D119678&highlight=3Dma= neco ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ariel Rzezak=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:49 PM Subject: RE: Echoplex Thanks. I'll be ckecking them. Ariel Rzezak Bedel=EDa UCES Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:trem@broadpark.no] Enviado el: Martes, 20 de Diciembre de 2005 01:38 p.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Re: Echoplex Not Echoplexes but another looping option is coming from Maneco in Montevideo, not far away from you. http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ http://www.fmogearshop.com/gearshop.php?categoryID=3D10 = http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=3D&threadid=3D= 1076043&highlight=3Dmanecolooper ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ariel Rzezak=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Echoplex Hi there! is there anyone there in Argentina (or South America) willing to = sell an Echoplex? Kind regards, Ariel. Ariel Rzezak Bedel=EDa UCES Buenos Aires, Argentina --Boundary_(ID_Uo+SHbGk/zqhTpSRqu4j/g) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Rocktron All Access
Check out the Maneco`s. David Torn = posted the below=20 today on the Gearpage and I agree
with him, having two Echoplexes and a = few=20 Manecoloopers
 
"maneco loopers = offer the=20 best (and most variable) options, imo, at various prices.

http://manecolooper.tripod.com/

on the = other=20 hand:
if your looping direction might be more purely based on tight = rhythmic=20 useage & hardcore rhythmic editing-on-the-fly, ya definitely oughta = check=20 out spending the $$ on a gibson echoplex digital pro w/LooopIV = software.
dt /=20 spltrcl"
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=3D119= 678&highlight=3Dmaneco
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ariel=20 Rzezak
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, = 2005 6:49=20 PM
Subject: RE: Echoplex

Thanks. I'll be ckecking them.
 

Ariel Rzezak

Bedel=EDa UCES

Buenos Aires, = Argentina

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Torstein H. Rem=20 [mailto:trem@broadpark.no]
Enviado el: Martes, 20 de = Diciembre de=20 2005 01:38 p.m.
Para: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Asunto:=20 Re: Echoplex

Not Echoplexes but another looping = option is=20 coming from Maneco in
Montevideo, not far away from = you.
 
http://manecolooper.tripod.com/<= /A>
http://w= ww.fmogearshop.com/gearshop.php?categoryID=3D10
http://acapella.harmon= y-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=3D&threadid=3D1076043&highl= ight=3Dmanecolooper
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Ariel=20 Rzezak
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, = 2005 5:17=20 PM
Subject: Echoplex

Hi there!
 
is there anyone there in Argentina (or = South=20 America) willing to sell an Echoplex?
 
Kind regards, = Ariel.
 

Ariel = Rzezak

Bedel=EDa = UCES

Buenos Aires, = Argentina

=
 
--Boundary_(ID_Uo+SHbGk/zqhTpSRqu4j/g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 18:48:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A060A3BF04; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Looping in prehistory Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:48:32 +0100 Message-ID: <005e01c60595$fac5f0a0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <004501c60589$51fc3760$0402a8c0@Lightning> Thread-Index: AcYFlYgxfULjUJrtRXS8cjMEM3U06QAAD13Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:47:37 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.75.176 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:48:54 +0000 (UTC) I also remember seeing this DVD and noticing Jaco using loops. Don't know how he did it. I agree that this concert is absolutely mindblowing and moving. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 18:52:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E57013BF0E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43A7B881.6060709@soundscapes.us> References: <20051219024141.06C923BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051219112651.02856eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <43A7B881.6060709@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-31251134 Message-Id: <0EF1BA3B-555B-43C2-A979-3166CB4F5064@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: sample rate Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:52:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.101 (HTML_MESSAGE) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:52:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-31251134 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed this is where SOME info is worse than NO info. dude think about it. u have a wave at 1/2 the sample frequency. think about it like connect-the-dots. the only ones u can plot are the max(positive) and min(negative) points of the wave. NOW connect the dots and what do u have. thats right a sawtooth wave. even if the original was a sine. but at least u have the frequency. forget about phase what about shape or tone? even if u sampled at a frequency high enough to give u three or even 4 points to connect, its STILL approximate, very far from the shape of the original and certainly not "all the information of the original signal". ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:53 AM, Bill Fox wrote: > a k butler wrote: > >>> Bell Labs researcher Harry Nyquist develops Sampling Theory. It >>> states provides that if a signal is sampled at twice its nominal >>> highest frequency, the samples will contain all of the >>> information in the original signal. >> >> Which is clearly not true :-) >> There's no way to keep the phase information for a signal sampled >> at only twice it's frequency. >> Only the amplitude. >> ... >> I guess that the Nyquist Theorum is misquoted somewhat here >> (and generally). > > Although you might be correct for a frequency of f when the > sampling frequency is 2f, the theorem correctly stated says that it > will be good for frquencies UP TO f Hz, i.e. not including f. So > while you're correct for one frequency, f, the theorem holds 100% > true for all frequencies below f and no information is lost. The > mathematics bear out. For shorthand, the bandwidth of a system is > stated as f Hz, not (f - 1) Hz. > > BTW, I dare anyone to tell me they can HEAR that 20kHz has a wrong > phase relationship in a system sampled at 40kHz. Plus, in the real > world, where there are no ideal filters, a guard band is built in. > That's why an audio system that is designed to have a 20kHz > bandwidth uses a sampling frequency of 44.1kHz. This also avoids > the problem of 20kHz not having a proper phase relationship since > it is less than half the sampling frequency, not exaclty half the > sampling frequency. > > Cheers, > > Bill > --Apple-Mail-1-31251134 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 this is where SOME info is worse = than NO info.
dude think about it.
u have a wave at 1/2 = the sample frequency. think about it like = connect-the-dots.
the only ones u can plot are the = max(positive) and min(negative) points of the wave. NOW connect the dots = and what do u have. thats right a sawtooth wave. even if the original = was a sine.
but at least u have the frequency. forget about = phase what about shape or tone?
even if u sampled at a = frequency high enough to give u three or even 4 points to connect, its = STILL approximate, very far from the shape of the original and certainly = not "all the information of the original signal".
___
Adrian=A0Bartholomew
8439 Lee Blvd
Leawood, KS = 66206
(913) 660-6918

 =

On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:53 AM, Bill Fox = wrote:

a k butler wrote:

Bell Labs = researcher Harry Nyquist develops Sampling Theory. It states provides = that if a signal is sampled at twice its nominal highest frequency, the = samples will contain all of the information in the original = signal.
Which is clearly not true = :-)
There's no way to keep the phase = information for a signal sampled
at only twice = it's frequency.
Only the amplitude.
...
I guess that = the Nyquist Theorum is misquoted somewhat here
(and generally).

Although = you might be correct for a frequency of f when the sampling frequency is = 2f, the theorem correctly stated says that it will be good for = frquencies UP TO f Hz, i.e. not including f.=A0 So while you're correct for = one frequency, f, the theorem holds 100% true for all frequencies below = f and no information is lost.=A0 = The mathematics bear out.=A0 = For shorthand, the bandwidth of a system is stated as f Hz, not = (f - 1) Hz.

BTW, I dare anyone to tell me they can HEAR that = 20kHz has a wrong phase relationship in a system sampled at 40kHz.=A0 Plus, in the real world, = where there are no ideal filters, a guard band is built in.=A0 That's why an audio system = that is designed to have a 20kHz bandwidth uses a sampling frequency of = 44.1kHz.=A0 This also = avoids the problem of 20kHz not having a proper phase relationship since = it is less than half the sampling frequency, not exaclty half the = sampling frequency.
Cheers,


=

= --Apple-Mail-1-31251134-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 18:56:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E32B13BF0F; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAK7fp0OCFIU3AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051220185150.02868010@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:55:34 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: custom power supplies: feasibility In-Reply-To: <20051220184446.87B403BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051220184446.87B403BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_ZEFMB.A.yRG.PPFqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:56:15 +0000 (UTC) >The internals of all gear I know needs AC, and if you feed it with >DC, there are just a bunch of diodes and capacitors which put it >down to the correct voltages it needs inside, most likely lower than >what you put in. The advantage is also, you don't have to worry >about correct polarity. > >If it wants AC of 18 V, its not very dangerous to give it less than >that as DC and just see if its happy with it. my worry is that all the power is now going through one half of the rectifier (any comments?) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 18:58:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390E43BF14; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CCcSls1btX0Kc8SMyRwuA4LsSUlAyT2y67n4yQMjcnAjysEJsISdeI8st7wWp76cXgFB0FAtRYRj0Cn8qclyrBGytn0nFnYkw84wiMNGEk9OtXboZOvUajdcl+ay50pvNJd2jjd0MrZxKehQ8r6JLzVMRMNzmAnAoTrNx9109Nc= ; Message-ID: <20051220185803.44034.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:58:03 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Looping in prehistory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004501c60589$51fc3760$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1672702751-1135105083=:43449" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:58:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-1672702751-1135105083=:43449 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit incredible line up how long were the loops jaco was riding? were you at friday night in sanfrancisco...bro? that town has had some magic musical moments in time... did floyd do "the wall"on that tour?or was that LA & new york some good ole days for sure Warren Sirota wrote: I just rented the DVD of Joni Mitchell's Shadows and Light tour, which I saw at the SF Civic Center in 1979. This was the post-"Mingus" tour featuring Pat Metheny, the late Jaco Pastorius, and Michael Brecker. Once again, I am reminded of what a brilliant, radical songwriter and performer she was in her prime (maybe still, but musical fashion being what it is, you don't hear much from her anymore. And the more recent albums that I've heard haven't really broken new ground like her masterpieces, Mingus and Hejira). And an incredible and unique singer, as well. You don't see all that much of Jaco in the video - he was standing mostly on the other side of the stage, so when Joni's singing, mainly you see Metheny lurking behind her. But Jaco has a pretty big solo spot a few songs in, and he starts off by laying down two or three layers of loop. At some point he mutes it, and then later brings it back. I don't know what he was using - you can't see much of it - but it was really surprising and cool to be watching this great music and suddenly see a looper! Best wishes, Warren Sirota __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1672702751-1135105083=:43449 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
incredible line up
how long were the loops jaco was riding?
were you at friday night in sanfrancisco...bro?
that town has had some magic musical moments in time...
did floyd do "the wall"on that tour?or was that LA & new york
some good ole days for sure

Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
I just rented the DVD of Joni Mitchell's Shadows and Light tour, which I saw
at the SF Civic Center in 1979. This was the post-"Mingus" tour featuring
Pat Metheny, the late Jaco Pastorius, and Michael Brecker. Once again, I am
reminded of what a brilliant, radical songwriter and performer she was in
her prime (maybe still, but musical fashion being what it is, you don't hear
much from her anymore. And the more recent albums that I've heard haven't
really broken new ground like her masterpieces, Mingus and Hejira). And an
incredible and unique singer, as well.

You don't see all that much of Jaco in the video - he was standing mostly on
the other side of the stage, so when Joni's singing, mainly you see Metheny
lurking behind her. But Jaco has a pretty big solo spot a few songs in, and
he starts off by laying down two or three layers of loop. At some point he
mutes it, and then later brings it back.

I don't know what he was using - you can't see much of it - but it was
really surprising and cool to be watching this great music and suddenly see
a looper!

Best wishes,
Warren Sirota


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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1672702751-1135105083=:43449-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 18:58:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A03173BF26; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:57:59 +0100 Message-ID: <005f01c60597$4c4db740$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> Thread-Index: AcYFlYgxhuKQL5zzQ62TA2uUNWCrowAALEKw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:57:05 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.75.176 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:58:44 +0000 (UTC) > The only reason I would get an AllAccess instead of the > FCB1010 is if you didn't like the size of the FCB, or if you > had a lot of other gear you wanted to control from the same > unit. yeah, I guess I'd rather use the Behringer. I had just got interested in the Rocktron again after it turned up on eBay - starting out cheap but it's already at 121 Euros and 3 days to go ... and after I saw it on a photograph among Robert Fripp's footcontrollers :-) I guess for his gazillion effects, the Rocktron is the better choice. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:00:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA18E3BF2B; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <20051219024141.06C923BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051219112651.02856eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <43A7B881.6060709@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: sample rate Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:59:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2005 18:59:42.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[89143000:01C60597] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:00:13 +0000 (UTC) > Although you might be correct for a frequency of f when the sampling > frequency is 2f, the theorem correctly stated says that it will be good > for frquencies UP TO f Hz, i.e. not including f. So while you're correct > for one frequency, f, the theorem holds 100% true for all frequencies > below f and no information is lost. The mathematics bear Hi Bill, unfortunately, that's just not correct. Most of the information is lost even for a input frequency of 20KHz in a 44.1KHz digital system. The fact is, the ONLY information that is preserved is the frequency. The volume level is somewhat preserved. The phase information is completely lost. Its not until you get down closer to 1/4 of the sampling frequency until you start preserving the phase and volume rather faithfully. > BTW, I dare anyone to tell me they can HEAR that 20kHz has a wrong phase > relationship in a system sampled at 40kHz. Plus, in the real world, I agree with you here Bill. I doubt that _I_ could hear the difference in phase. This is especially true when you consider the equipment we have to work with these days (amplifiers, speakers, ect). However, maybe someday we're going to have some kind of really incredible sound recreation process available to the common man, and when that day comes I might want to listen to the stuff I've recorded right now with extremely high quality. That's why a lot of people favor 192KHz 24bit recording. One more thing - there is so much confusion abounding about digital audio that I have decided to make an excel spreadsheet which anyone can play with to "see" firsthand how a sine wave might get captured in a digital system. Just email me, and I'll send it to you - its only 92Kb but I don't think I can attach this to Looper's Delight. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:04:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB9023BF3A; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <20051219024141.06C923BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051219112651.02856eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <43A7B881.6060709@soundscapes.us> <0EF1BA3B-555B-43C2-A979-3166CB4F5064@bartholomusic.com> Subject: Re: sample rate Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:04:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2005 19:04:04.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[252CD1E0:01C60598] Resent-Message-ID: <8VFqrD.A.EDH.lWFqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:04:05 +0000 (UTC) > u have a wave at 1/2 the sample frequency. think about it like > connect-the-dots. > the only ones u can plot are the max(positive) and min(negative) > points of the wave. NOW connect the dots and what do u have. thats > right a sawtooth wave. even if the original was a sine. I think you might be missing Andy was saying here - and this is a very important point - that you don't get to decide where on the wave you sample. It just happens on a regular schedule. It could easily happen that you're sampling exactly on the zero crossing of that wave who's frequency is 1/2 the sample frequency. What sound informaton do you have then? nothing. If you are lucky enough to be sampling right on the peak and valley, then yes, you'll get a triangular wave. If you happen to sample somewhere between the zero crossing and the peaks, then you'll get a sawtooth that is much less volume and out of phase. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:09:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D90563BF37; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <172701c60598$8f8e66c0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <004501c60589$51fc3760$0402a8c0@Lightning> Subject: Re: Looping in prehistory Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:07:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Magic musicians ! About Jaco Looping, a friend of mine has a bootleg of one of his last tour dates, where there're some small looping performances. I've always thinking that he used delay devices, but I'm not sure. Fabio http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: Looping in prehistory > I just rented the DVD of Joni Mitchell's Shadows and Light tour, which I saw > at the SF Civic Center in 1979. This was the post-"Mingus" tour featuring > Pat Metheny, the late Jaco Pastorius, and Michael Brecker. Once again, I am > reminded of what a brilliant, radical songwriter and performer she was in > her prime (maybe still, but musical fashion being what it is, you don't hear > much from her anymore. And the more recent albums that I've heard haven't > really broken new ground like her masterpieces, Mingus and Hejira). And an > incredible and unique singer, as well. > > You don't see all that much of Jaco in the video - he was standing mostly on > the other side of the stage, so when Joni's singing, mainly you see Metheny > lurking behind her. But Jaco has a pretty big solo spot a few songs in, and > he starts off by laying down two or three layers of loop. At some point he > mutes it, and then later brings it back. > > I don't know what he was using - you can't see much of it - but it was > really surprising and cool to be watching this great music and suddenly see > a looper! > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:12:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 510993BEFA; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <0EF1BA3B-555B-43C2-A979-3166CB4F5064@bartholomusic.com> References: <20051219024141.06C923BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051219112651.02856eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <43A7B881.6060709@soundscapes.us> <0EF1BA3B-555B-43C2-A979-3166CB4F5064@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-32424088 Message-Id: From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: sample rate Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:12:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:12:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-32424088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed oh man. i tried so hard not to get sucked into this debate. but here i am. the connect the dot explanation does help to explain how it's done, but the reason that does not quite work is just that the Max and Min points of the source are very unlikely to be the 2 points sampled. You have the same chance of sampling at the zero crossings. most likely the 2 samples per cycle are going to hit during it's ascending and descending, and get no information about max or min. Can a 44.1k sampling rate accurately PRODUCE a 20k wave? Sure. The details of that wave are mostly lost, but it's frequency and amplitude are approximated pretty well. Can a 44.1k sampling rate accurately RECORD a 20k wave? Not as easily. The waveshape is sure to be lost and the amplitude is subject to mis-representation. Do kids today care? Do they know what they are missing? Probably not. I am 28 and had a record player growing up. I love the sound of 2 inch tape. I love the new DSD technology. I hate mp3s. I am (we are) the minority on audio quality preference. DSD has the potential to take over the recording industry in the next 5 years. If so PCM will be like our old friend the VHS. Unless handheld mini disc recorders take over first, then we are all doomed. Did I get this question/answer format from watching seinfeld last night? Yes. Yes I did. - b On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:52 PM, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > this is where SOME info is worse than NO info. > dude think about it. > u have a wave at 1/2 the sample frequency. think about it like > connect-the-dots. > the only ones u can plot are the max(positive) and min(negative) > points of the wave. NOW connect the dots and what do u have. thats > right a sawtooth wave. even if the original was a sine. > but at least u have the frequency. forget about phase what about > shape or tone? > even if u sampled at a frequency high enough to give u three or > even 4 points to connect, its STILL approximate, very far from the > shape of the original and certainly not "all the information of the > original signal". > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > 8439 Lee Blvd > Leawood, KS 66206 > (913) 660-6918 > > > On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:53 AM, Bill Fox wrote: > >> a k butler wrote: >> >>>> Bell Labs researcher Harry Nyquist develops Sampling Theory. It >>>> states provides that if a signal is sampled at twice its nominal >>>> highest frequency, the samples will contain all of the >>>> information in the original signal. >>> >>> Which is clearly not true :-) >>> There's no way to keep the phase information for a signal sampled >>> at only twice it's frequency. >>> Only the amplitude. >>> ... >>> I guess that the Nyquist Theorum is misquoted somewhat here >>> (and generally). >> >> Although you might be correct for a frequency of f when the >> sampling frequency is 2f, the theorem correctly stated says that >> it will be good for frquencies UP TO f Hz, i.e. not including f. >> So while you're correct for one frequency, f, the theorem holds >> 100% true for all frequencies below f and no information is lost. >> The mathematics bear out. For shorthand, the bandwidth of a >> system is stated as f Hz, not (f - 1) Hz. >> >> BTW, I dare anyone to tell me they can HEAR that 20kHz has a wrong >> phase relationship in a system sampled at 40kHz. Plus, in the >> real world, where there are no ideal filters, a guard band is >> built in. That's why an audio system that is designed to have a >> 20kHz bandwidth uses a sampling frequency of 44.1kHz. This also >> avoids the problem of 20kHz not having a proper phase relationship >> since it is less than half the sampling frequency, not exaclty >> half the sampling frequency. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bill >> > --Apple-Mail-2-32424088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 oh man. i tried so hard not to = get sucked into this debate. but here i am.


the connect the dot = explanation does help to explain how it's done, but the reason that does = not quite work is just that the Max and Min points of the source are = very unlikely to be the 2 points sampled. You have the same chance of = sampling at the zero crossings. most likely the 2 samples per cycle are = going to hit during it's ascending and descending, and get no = information about max or min.=A0

Can a 44.1k sampling rate = accurately PRODUCE a 20k wave?=A0
Sure. The details of that = wave are mostly lost, but it's frequency and amplitude are=A0approximated = pretty well.

Can a 44.1k sampling rate = accurately RECORD a 20k wave?=A0
Not as easily. The waveshape = is sure to be lost and the amplitude is subject to = mis-representation.

Do kids today care? Do they = know what they are missing?
Probably not.=A0I am 28 and had a = record player growing up. I love the sound of 2 inch tape. I love the = new DSD technology. I hate mp3s. I am (we are) the minority on audio = quality preference. DSD has the potential to take over the recording = industry in the next 5 years. If so PCM will be like our old friend the = VHS. Unless handheld mini disc recorders take over first, then we are = all doomed.

Did= I get this question/answer format from watching seinfeld last = night?
Yes. Yes I did.

- b



On Dec 20, = 2005, at 1:52 PM, Adrian Bartholomew wrote:

this is = where SOME info is worse than NO info.
dude think about = it.
u have a wave at 1/2 the sample frequency. think about it = like connect-the-dots.
the only ones u can plot are the = max(positive) and min(negative) points of the wave. NOW connect the dots = and what do u have. thats right a sawtooth wave. even if the original = was a sine.
but at least u have the frequency. forget about = phase what about shape or tone?
even if u sampled at a = frequency high enough to give u three or even 4 points to connect, its = STILL approximate, very far from the shape of the original and certainly = not "all the information of the original signal".
___
Adrian=A0Bartholomew
8439 Lee Blvd
Leawood, KS = 66206
(913) 660-6918

 =

On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:53 AM, Bill Fox = wrote:

a k butler wrote:

Bell Labs = researcher Harry Nyquist develops Sampling Theory. It states provides = that if a signal is sampled at twice its nominal highest frequency, the = samples will contain all of the information in the original = signal.
Which is clearly not true = :-)
There's no way to keep the phase = information for a signal sampled
at only twice = it's frequency.
Only the amplitude.
...
I guess that = the Nyquist Theorum is misquoted somewhat here
(and generally).

Although = you might be correct for a frequency of f when the sampling frequency is = 2f, the theorem correctly stated says that it will be good for = frquencies UP TO f Hz, i.e. not including f.=A0 So while you're correct for = one frequency, f, the theorem holds 100% true for all frequencies below = f and no information is lost.=A0 = The mathematics bear out.=A0 = For shorthand, the bandwidth of a system is stated as f Hz, not = (f - 1) Hz.

BTW, I dare anyone to tell me they can HEAR that = 20kHz has a wrong phase relationship in a system sampled at 40kHz.=A0 Plus, in the real world, = where there are no ideal filters, a guard band is built in.=A0 That's why an audio system = that is designed to have a 20kHz bandwidth uses a sampling frequency of = 44.1kHz.=A0 This also = avoids the problem of 20kHz not having a proper phase relationship since = it is less than half the sampling frequency, not exaclty half the = sampling frequency.
Cheers,


=


= --Apple-Mail-2-32424088-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:18:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4CCF3BF38; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GF9BOAm9HDTSVQ8ACXPqBZV0EERmawD71Arbcxz66s+xjh4j9tKA+/RoORpnb+c9jQ4VYLHfKXbNTHhhBUXQmubZPhohtG+CSfM4+jCEq8OxuuqQNf5D+EigzwJzo7WfKfSCUZNdupAmcTYNuOcNzBVZK4DriQKpWFN2OQkyUAw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:18:07 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping in prehistory In-Reply-To: <172701c60598$8f8e66c0$040a0a0a@fabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <004501c60589$51fc3760$0402a8c0@Lightning> <172701c60598$8f8e66c0$040a0a0a@fabio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:18:19 +0000 (UTC) My recollection is that he was using one of the Lexicon Prime Time or Super Prime times with two seconds of delay for his looping. I think it's discussed in the Jaco bio from a few years ago. On 12/20/05, Fabio Anile wrote: > Magic musicians ! > About Jaco Looping, a friend of mine has a bootleg of one of his last tou= r > dates, where there're some small looping performances. > I've always thinking that he used delay devices, but I'm not sure. > > Fabio > http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:29:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AC563BF15; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:29:57 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: sample rate In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b201c6059b$c349a0d0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Please excuse my ignorance - what's DSD? >Did I get this question/answer format from watching seinfeld last night? >Yes. Yes I did. That must be the source of Rumsfeld's rhetorical style.. Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:29:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 405793BF22; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:25:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:29:18 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 20, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Wow--the FX1 goes for $899, and the the SC1 is $1299. > Yep...which is why I went for the FX1. I think it offers more features than the SC1 for less. And it will soon have a PC/Mac editor + free software upgrades as they are available. Sorry for coming off like a dickhead in my last email. I was preoccupied with other work, so I just blurted out my opinion quickly. I should have said that *if* you have a lot of gear to control in a large rack (beyond just a single looper like the EDP), I would highly recommend the FX1. There's nothing better on the market, so far as I can tell. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:33:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F1923BF20; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Pfp9EISQh6v7aONpV0nczVBaEzFsTiLU4OiOpbxIKk+UaH6CFiiicUi1+W3T0oIwbj5OOJZTzgJ4974qWrMTIpjnp57k0M6gfMDsvCXteZHy7mOryivj40iAwvJdGJGB91LHly1rm8UksrAkkv/XsjeGgVq/45xOZYG5qVT69iE= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:33:38 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping in prehistory In-Reply-To: <20051220185803.44034.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <004501c60589$51fc3760$0402a8c0@Lightning> <20051220185803.44034.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I've misstated things--I wasn't at the show, but it's been discussed over the years several times in the guitar/bass press. "The Wall" US dates were just in New York and Los Angeles. TravisH On 12/20/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > incredible line up > how long were the loops jaco was riding? > were you at friday night in sanfrancisco...bro? > that town has had some magic musical moments in time... > did floyd do "the wall"on that tour?or was that LA & new york > some good ole days for sure > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:34:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C00EA3BF2E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80512191602l7d7dea9cjfd0198b6053e4c32@mail.gmail.com> References: <00b601c600f1$a6ad9570$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <3BBC0856-49AA-4C61-911C-7443CCCC1D8C@the0verclock.com> <353e2ed80512191442y6fc1728alc124aa35dd44952e@mail.gmail.com> <353e2ed80512191602l7d7dea9cjfd0198b6053e4c32@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: new guy intro Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:34:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:34:40 +0000 (UTC) I had not seen this before, thanks for this. I always like to have multiple options. This looks at a quick glance =20 to be iCube-ish. Brain in a box and then a plethora of sensors to =20 choose from. always cool to get introduced to new interfaces. - b On Dec 19, 2005, at 7:02 PM, David Morton wrote: > Brian, thank you for that summary. > > I take it you know about the Eowave Eobody? > > http://www.eowave.com/page_produit.php?prod=3D29 > > On 12/19/05, Brian Cass wrote: >> i was a beta tester for the tron. it's like part of our family here. >> >> but beyond that- >> >> =95 the tron has more customizable midi messages, which is especially >> useful if you are max user >> =95 it has 20 terminals (vs 16 on the doepfer i think?) >> =95 the terminals can also be outputs for running relays, motors, = LEDs, >> robot armies, etc.. >> >> i just met this the other day - >> >> http://ladyada.net/make/midisense/index.html >> >> and will be playing with it as soon as she gets some built in >> january. i can't comment yet on it, except that it seems to me to be >> very similar to the midibox concept. >> >> http://midibox.org >> >> which is also cool as hell. >> >> >> - b >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 19, 2005, at 5:42 PM, David Morton wrote: >> >>> On 12/15/05, Brian Cass wrote: >>>> In other news - I have been getting down and dirty with the =20 >>>> building >>>> of custom midi controllers, thanks to the Midibox architecture and >>>> (my favorite) the MidiTron from eric singer. >>> >>> This is something I've been looking at lately, would you mind saying >>> what made you opt for the MidiTron over the Doepfer Pocket =20 >>> Electronic? >>> >>> D >>> >>> >>> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:39:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F03A43BF35; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WqIC16DTrVr/afK0ZKX3sKLaJdRtxYZ4UxnRZjUnuErkvbEdslEeCyUlYcDGy2TADL5PoU/Pusz2DOYFCme2CXBPpegk7DWcKQ/puaS+ZR/yr440WbebhsGS4F77oAhPJyYiBZk+3+OtNWGer1h5vdJe+eyAGyMe+ETFEMhZtWs= Message-ID: <44687f490512201139r348451bdq4c8fd3c8f7aab74e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:39:26 -0500 From: Tom Combs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sample rate In-Reply-To: <00b201c6059b$c349a0d0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14803_22848063.1135107566474" References: <00b201c6059b$c349a0d0$0402a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:39:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14803_22848063.1135107566474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I thought the Nyquist theorem is all about reconstructing a signal once sampled. A signal is not reconstructed by simply "connecting the dots", it is reconstructed by passing it through a low pass filter. If you pass a sawtooth, triangle, square, or any other variety of periodic signal with frequency f through a low pass filter whose passband is perfectly flat up until frequency f, and then perfectly 0 beyond f, then what comes out is a pure sine wave of frequency f - that's because squares, triangles and whatnot all contain harmonics in addition to the pure sine wave that dictates its fundamental frequency. A signal sampled at twice the Nyquist frequency can be perfectly reconstructed in a world of perfect filters and perfect sampling devices. ------=_Part_14803_22848063.1135107566474 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I thought the Nyquist theorem is all about reconstructing a signal onc= e sampled.  A signal is not reconstructed by simply "connecting t= he dots", it is reconstructed by passing it through a low pass filter.=   If you pass a sawtooth, triangle, square, or any other variety of pe= riodic signal with frequency f through a low pass filter whose passband is = perfectly flat up until frequency f, and then perfectly 0 beyond f, th= en what comes out is a pure sine wave of frequency f - that's because squar= es, triangles and whatnot all contain harmonics in addition to the pure sin= e wave that dictates its fundamental frequency.
 
A signal sampled at twice the Nyquist frequency can be perfectly recon= structed in a world of perfect filters and perfect sampling devices.
 
------=_Part_14803_22848063.1135107566474-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:41:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAB713BF2E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:41:35 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-reply-to: <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >> In many ways it is the most powerful foot controller >> on the market today, but it is outrageously expensive. > > > No. The Axess FX1 and Skrydstrup SC1 are the best controllers > available. Those are the only two MIDI controllers I'd consider. As for > cost, you get what you pay for. I stand corrected. As far as getting what you pay for, well, I would say that anything over $300 for a bunch of switches and a really simple embedded processor application is insane. But I guess it is what the market will bear. The FX1 by the way only has 12 instant access switches and the SC1 only 10 compared to 15 on the AllAccess, so by that measure they are less powerful if your goal is the maximum number of EDP functions accessible without bank switching. All these high end controllers seem to be designed for keyboard or guitar players with massive effects rigs where the instant access switches are used for things like turning "chorus" on and off and the presets send program changes or sysex messages to 42 different devices. Just out of curiosity, when you say these are the only MIDI controllers you would consider, do you have a rig of this complexity? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:46:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 461F63BEF7; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <44687f490512201139r348451bdq4c8fd3c8f7aab74e@mail.gmail.com> References: <00b201c6059b$c349a0d0$0402a8c0@Lightning> <44687f490512201139r348451bdq4c8fd3c8f7aab74e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: sample rate Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:46:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:46:32 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 20, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Tom Combs wrote: > ....... in a world of perfect filters and perfect sampling devices. oh please, take me to this place. and i know they will also have free healthcare. : ) - b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:47:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF20C3BF01; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00b201c6059b$c349a0d0$0402a8c0@Lightning> References: <00b201c6059b$c349a0d0$0402a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1D5EA1E8-69F2-4AEC-96C8-2A6CB9F2BBB0@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: DSD (Re: sample rate) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:47:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:47:47 +0000 (UTC) DSD - Direct Stream Digital. it sounds killer. In THEORY it's the best of both worlds. Analog and Digital I mean. There is some noise that builds as you start multi tracking but if you over sample (we're talking in the range of 2 to 4 MEGAHertz sampling rate) then the noise is way up in the doggy range. Obviously there are memory and cpu blocks when juggling so much data, but we know that stuff gets bigger better cheaper faster etc.... overnight. DSD comes from Sony and the SACD world. But keep an eye on Kevin Brown and Genex - http://www.genexaudio.com/ as he is actually brave enough to put it into practice. i know some people that have used this technology on the road to multi-track big acts and the initial reports are that it maybe a bit flaky right now, but it sounds killer. - b On Dec 20, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > Please excuse my ignorance - what's DSD? > >> Did I get this question/answer format from watching seinfeld last >> night? >> Yes. Yes I did. > > That must be the source of Rumsfeld's rhetorical style.. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 19:59:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D5F53BEE2; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:55:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <9X7PIB.A.QjB.OKGqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:59:11 +0000 (UTC) > he FX1 by the way only has 12 instant access switches and the SC1 > only 10 > compared to 15 on the AllAccess, FX1 and SC1 both have expanders > Just out of curiosity, when you say these are the only > MIDI controllers you would consider, do you have a rig of this > complexity? Yes. Some gear pics here for shits and giggles: community.webshots.com/user/jcshirke Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 20:00:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 286F23BF3F; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HPvgFI8eDXEFvwJmUhy5h02GijHUNu7d25lROdjRfkwNU1wBaLKZpxEEHmD3Z4jXMLgX00Q+4fONk4bkF00AHSGkYLg200RIFIdVWMOPW0TSJ29VDjceDOGRtHAYC8rCWE5xCOm9EeOnw3pTu6KAoJoP4YWsx2143wl5951oEls= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:00:28 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sample rate In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00b201c6059b$c349a0d0$0402a8c0@Lightning> <44687f490512201139r348451bdq4c8fd3c8f7aab74e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:00:35 +0000 (UTC) The don't have any healthcare there--you just never get sick. TravisH On 12/20/05, Brian Cass wrote: > On Dec 20, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Tom Combs wrote: > > > ....... in a world of perfect filters and perfect sampling devices. > > > > oh please, take me to this place. and i know they will also have free > healthcare. > > : ) > > - b > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 20:06:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC88B3BF27; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:06:03 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-reply-to: <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> Just out of curiosity, when you say these are the only >> MIDI controllers you would consider, do you have a rig of this >> complexity? > > > Yes. Some gear pics here for shits and giggles: > community.webshots.com/user/jcshirke Most impressive. I'm glad I'm not your roadie :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 20:11:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B40B13BF44; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:07:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:11:17 +0000 (UTC) > > Most impressive. Nah...I just like to look at all the pretty lights. ;) > I'm glad I'm not your roadie :-) Yeah...no kidding. I'm not even playing out, but when I do, it's going to suck hard core! (And carrying all that gear around won't be much fun either!) ;) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 20:51:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3744B3BF19; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:51:38 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-reply-to: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A86EDA.8050602@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:51:41 +0000 (UTC) I read the manuals for the Axess and Skrydstrup controllers and while they are both well suited for controlling guitar effects rigs, they have what I consider fatal flaws for use as an EDP controller. In both units the instant access switch assignments are global, not stored per-preset as they are in the AllAccess. This means that you get only 10 EDP function switches in the Skrydstrup and 12 in the Axess without shelling out more cash and floor space on an expander. The AllAccess has the unique feature of letting each preset contain different CC assignments for the instant access switches, allowing you to get to all of the EDP functions. The Skrydstrup has an additional problem in that the instant access switches only behave as toggles, they cannot be configured as momentary switches. This means that you cannot use them for the "sus" functions on the EDP. Aside from the ability to connect an expander the Skrydstrup looks significantly less powerful than an AllAccess. The Axess FX1 has some cool features like the ability to send more than one CC and a sysex block on each switch, and the ability to link switches so they behave like "radio buttons". But the global assignment of the CC values makes it a deal breaker for me as an EDP controller. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 21:01:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F0643BF0E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:02:10 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: OT: was: Looping in prehistory Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping In-reply-to: <20051220185803.44034.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00fc01c605a8$a4bf4180$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_OWBHaxRtIdXIRbVsZeVS2w)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:01:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_OWBHaxRtIdXIRbVsZeVS2w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT -----Original Message----- From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping in prehistory incredible line up how long were the loops jaco was riding? [WS: ] they were only a couple of seconds long. were you at friday night in sanfrancisco...bro? [WS: ] Funny you should ask. actually, I *was* there. great show. were *you* there? that town has had some magic musical moments in time... did floyd do "the wall"on that tour?or was that LA & new york some good ole days for sure [WS: ] The only time I ever saw Floyd was pre-Wall; I was fortunate to also be at an equally incredible concert location - the State University of NY at Stony Brook, 1968-71 (well, I guess the greater NY area gets credit, since we frequently ventured into Manhattan for some other great show). Pink Floyd gave an incredible show, but also there were *so* many other highlights: the Allmans with Duane, Alvin Lee from 10 Years After leaving the stage soaked in sweat and tears of joy, Moby Grape nearly having a fistfight on stage (on the same bill with Procol Harum), the Jefferson Airplane at their peak (right before the Airplane dissolved into the Starship), the Who (with Moon) playing Tommy start to finish, Joe Cocker twice - with the Grease Band and the travelling circus known as Mad Dogs and Englishmen (both great), and my personal favorite of the entire period, Jorma Kaukonen and Jack Cassady playing acoustic (well, not Cassady) for 4 hours straight. I think most of these concerts were probably about $10 each for students. Unfortunately, I was there a year too late to see Hendrix (but I'd seen him the year before at what is now the tennis stadium in Flushing Meadow Park, with Janis opening - or vice versa. Same summer as the Doors and the Who on one bill). I also saw Zep with Bonham elsewhere in that park. I even saw Pentangle, one of my favorite and rarely-exposed groups, at Carnegie Hall in 71. I also saw Miles, playing with most of the "Bitches Brew" band, opening(!!!) for Neil Young solo at Carnegie (or was it Fillmore East?), a great concert all around. Whew! --Boundary_(ID_OWBHaxRtIdXIRbVsZeVS2w) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
 
-----Original Message-----
From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:58 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Looping in prehistory

incredible line up
how long were the loops jaco was riding?
[WS: ] they were only a couple of seconds long.  
were you at friday night in sanfrancisco...bro?
[WS: ]  Funny you should ask. actually, I *was* there. great show. were *you* there? 
that town has had some magic musical moments in time...
did floyd do "the wall"on that tour?or was that LA & new york
some good ole days for sure

[WS: ] The only time I ever saw Floyd was pre-Wall; I was fortunate to also be at an equally incredible concert location - the State University of NY at Stony Brook, 1968-71 (well, I guess the greater NY area gets credit, since we frequently ventured into Manhattan for some other great show). Pink Floyd gave an incredible show, but also there were *so* many other highlights: the Allmans with Duane, Alvin Lee from 10 Years After leaving the stage soaked in sweat and tears of joy, Moby Grape nearly having a fistfight on stage (on the same bill with Procol Harum), the Jefferson Airplane at their peak (right before the Airplane dissolved into the Starship), the Who (with Moon) playing Tommy start to finish, Joe Cocker twice - with the Grease Band and the travelling circus known as Mad Dogs and Englishmen (both great), and my personal favorite of the entire period, Jorma Kaukonen and Jack Cassady playing acoustic (well, not Cassady) for 4 hours straight. I think most of these concerts were probably about $10 each for students. Unfortunately, I was there a year too late to see Hendrix (but I'd seen him the year before at what is now the tennis stadium in Flushing Meadow Park, with Janis opening - or vice versa. Same summer as the Doors and the Who on one bill). I also saw Zep with Bonham elsewhere in that park. I even saw Pentangle, one of my favorite and rarely-exposed groups, at Carnegie Hall in 71. I also saw Miles, playing with most of the "Bitches Brew" band, opening(!!!) for Neil Young solo at Carnegie (or was it Fillmore East?), a great concert all around. Whew!
 
--Boundary_(ID_OWBHaxRtIdXIRbVsZeVS2w)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 21:03:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB4B63BF29; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,274,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="186759181:sNHT206920072" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:02:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-Reply-To: <43A86EDA.8050602@sun.com> References: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1sQ_2D.A.r5D.LGHqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:03:07 +0000 (UTC) In addition to the 12 instant switches, the FX1 also has 6 preset switches - so there is SOME flexibility there. At 2005.12.20 12:51 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: >I read the manuals for the Axess and Skrydstrup controllers and while >they are both well suited for controlling guitar effects rigs, they >have what I consider fatal flaws for use as an EDP controller. > >In both units the instant access switch assignments are global, >not stored per-preset as they are in the AllAccess. This means >that you get only 10 EDP function switches in the Skrydstrup and >12 in the Axess without shelling out more cash and floor space >on an expander. The AllAccess has the unique feature of letting >each preset contain different CC assignments for the instant access >switches, allowing you to get to all of the EDP functions. > >The Skrydstrup has an additional problem in that the instant access >switches only behave as toggles, they cannot be configured as >momentary switches. This means that you cannot use them for the "sus" >functions on the EDP. > >Aside from the ability to connect an expander the Skrydstrup looks >significantly less powerful than an AllAccess. The Axess FX1 has >some cool features like the ability to send more than one CC >and a sysex block on each switch, and the ability to link switches >so they behave like "radio buttons". But the global assignment >of the CC values makes it a deal breaker for me as an EDP controller. > >Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 21:07:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8753E3BF3D; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43A86EDA.8050602@sun.com> References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A86EDA.8050602@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:04:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:07:58 +0000 (UTC) > In both units the instant access switch assignments are global, > not stored per-preset as they are in the AllAccess. No, no...read the manual(s) again. :) I am 100% positive that the FX1 can store IA switches *per preset*. Again, sorry so short in my reply... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 21:27:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C18003BEFF; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:27:42 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-reply-to: <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Sean Echevarria wrote: > In addition to the 12 instant switches, the FX1 also has 6 preset > switches - so there is SOME flexibility there. Right but all they can do is send program changes and optionally the "state" of each instance access switch. For EDP use you do not want IA switch state being sent because function switches do not have state like they do if they were being used for an effects rig. Effectively they can only be used to select EDP presets, they cannot be used to call EDP functions that are not already assigned to one of the 12 instant switches. Jeff Shirkey wrote: > No, no...read the manual(s) again. :) I am 100% positive that the FX1 > can store IA switches *per preset*. If it does, they have a poorly written manual :-) Page 17: The Preset Menu allows selecting a preset, assigning it a custom 13 character name, and up to 16 program change messages for it to transmit. The on/off status of the instant access switches and internal control changes, determining how the expression pedal ports will function when used in the preset, and assigning a custom hex/MIDI message to be sent as part of the preset are also handled in this menu. I read this as a preset can store on/off status of the IA switches, but not the CC assignment itself. Page 23: The MIDI menu allows defining *global* parameters such as; the MIDI channel that the FX1 will respond to incoming MIDI messages on, the starting number used when displaying program change messages, the *control change and program change messages that each instant access switch will transmit*, the expression pedal ports control change settings and the custom hex/MIDI messages of each instant access switch. CC assignments appear to be global. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 22:01:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90A5A3BF08; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:01:03 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-reply-to: <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A87F1F.9080704@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > Right but all they can do is send program changes and optionally > the "state" of each instance access switch. I was slightly wrong. Each preset can also send up to 24 CC messages when it is selected, and these CC's do not have to be the same ones assigned to the instant switches. These are called "internal control changes" in the manual. So you could make the 6 preset switches call a non-SUS EDP function, but since the preset switches are one-shot, they cannot be used for SUS functions. You can then use the bank up/down buttons to scroll through different CC assignments for the bottom 6 switches, but not the top 12 which are global. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 22:02:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38EB83BF00; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> References: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:59:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:02:35 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 20, 2005, at 3:27 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > > Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > No, no...read the manual(s) again. :) I am 100% positive that the > FX1 > > can store IA switches *per preset*. I may be misunderstanding what you need the FX1 to do. Here's what I had in mind based on my own needs. Let's say IA switch #6 is assigned to turn on/off one of my loops (Big Muff, for example) in the majority of my presets. But in other presets I want the same IA switch to turn on/off a different effect (Chorus pedal). I can do it-- or so I've been told (I just got my FX1). In other words, the IA switch functions/commands can be assigned per preset, and not just globally. I could have sworn that I read that specifically in the manual or some other literature on the FX1. I just emailed the owner of Axess to get his response. If you have any specific questions, you should email him directly: mmarino@axess-electronics.com Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 22:09:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7C993BF1E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43A87F1F.9080704@sun.com> References: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> <43A87F1F.9080704@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <55CC318F-A68A-40FD-84D7-91974823E058@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:02:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, Based on what I've heard from a number of FX1 users, Mario (Marino) provides outstanding support for his product(s). And he listens to what people need in terms of feature requests. So if there is something in particular you need (or think the looping community needs), just tell him. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 22:42:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B5C73BF20; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RnkwWuxyomlGaOGHeYNNc9Aq+YeHXbj25h1Two6D0YgLWEuP1k/0D1XGGQAd3LpTgji56fVo0UD7fPNGPor1az6Qf3thOmHGdkUditzhQMeWHNYJim0BPOAf98KXZiFXvRNARtIEbfb4DilexFX3DYFBzSyDQgvbHNLj9NI+34A= ; Message-ID: <20051220224103.47473.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:41:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping in prehistory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004501c60589$51fc3760$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:42:24 +0000 (UTC) --- Warren Sirota wrote: > I don't know what [Jaco] was using - you can't see much > of it - but it was > really surprising and cool to be watching this great > music and suddenly see a looper! >From Guitar Player, 1984: As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital Delay, which I put through one amp, leaving the other amp clean, to cause a natural sort of vibrato. I'ts almost like an organ Leslie [rotating speaker] effect or flanger. A good example of that effect is the title cut from the 8:30 album, or the tune 'Continuum' from the live Invitation album. I also used that effect a lot on the Joni Mitchell records, particularly on 'Coyote' and 'Hejira' on Hejira, or 'Goodbye Pork Pie Hat' and 'God Must be A Boogie Man' on Mingus." and Bill Milkowski, in his Pastorius biography, describes a typical Jaco solo showcase like this: During Joni [Mitchell's] road show, Jaco was featured in a solo bass spot every night. Using the repeat function of an MXR Digital Delay, he would lay down an ostinato, loop it, and then play solo lines on top of the repeating riff. As he played, he would--of course--slide around the stage on the baby powder sprinkled beneath his feet, and he would often get the crowd to clap along with the beat while he danced and strutted his James Brown moves. As the solo gathered speed, Jaco would turn up the built-in fuzz tone of his Acoustic 360 amplifier full blast and launch into an explosion of feedback, quoting from Jimi Hendrix's "Third Stone from the Sun" and "The Star-Spangled Banner" along the way. He would then climax his showcase by laying his bass down on the stage (pickups still howling), climbing on top of his amp, and jumping onto his instrument. Sometimes he would mockingly whip the bass into submission with his guitar strap, like some sort of comical Marquis de Sade. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 22:47:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D07DF3BF47; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:48:42 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Looping in prehistory In-reply-to: <20051220224103.47473.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015701c605b7$871f7e60$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8VqzxD.A.gLH.QoIqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all the great info, Tim. On this DVD, he doesn't go into all the histrionics. I guess each performance was different. (but he did quote Third Stone). Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:41 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looping in prehistory > > > > > --- Warren Sirota wrote: > > > I don't know what [Jaco] was using - you can't see > much > > of it - but it was > > really surprising and cool to be watching this great > > music and suddenly see a looper! > > From Guitar Player, 1984: > > As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital > Delay, which I put through one amp, leaving the other > amp clean, to cause a natural sort of vibrato. I'ts > almost like an organ Leslie [rotating speaker] effect > or flanger. A good example of that effect is the title > cut from the 8:30 album, or the tune 'Continuum' from > the live Invitation album. I also used that effect a > lot on the Joni Mitchell records, particularly on > 'Coyote' and 'Hejira' on Hejira, or 'Goodbye Pork Pie > Hat' and 'God Must be A Boogie Man' on Mingus." > > and > > Bill Milkowski, in his Pastorius biography, describes > a typical Jaco solo showcase like this: > > During Joni [Mitchell's] road show, Jaco was > featured in a solo bass spot every night. Using the > repeat function of an MXR Digital Delay, he would lay > down an ostinato, loop it, and then play solo lines on > top of the repeating riff. As he played, he would--of > course--slide around the stage on the baby powder sprinkled > beneath his feet, and he would often get the crowd to clap > along with the beat while he danced and strutted his James > Brown moves. As the solo gathered speed, Jaco would turn up > the built-in fuzz tone of his Acoustic 360 amplifier full > blast and launch into an explosion of feedback, quoting from > Jimi Hendrix's "Third Stone from the Sun" and "The > Star-Spangled Banner" along the way. He would then climax his > showcase by laying his bass down on the stage (pickups still > howling), climbing on top of his amp, and jumping onto his > instrument. Sometimes he would mockingly whip the bass into > submission with his guitar strap, like some sort of comical > Marquis de Sade. > > -t- > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 22:48:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9BF43BF51; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:48:04 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A88A24.8090606@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I may be misunderstanding what you need the FX1 to do. As an EDP controller, what I basically need is the ability to send all 127 CC numbers from the IA switches without reconfiguring. This means that each preset would have to allow a different CC assignments, e.g. Preset 1 sends 0-11, Preset 2 sends 12-23, etc. >Here's what I > had in mind based on my own needs. Let's say IA switch #6 is assigned > to turn on/off one of my loops (Big Muff, for example) in the majority > of my presets. But in other presets I want the same IA switch to turn > on/off a different effect (Chorus pedal). I can do it-- or so I've been > told (I just got my FX1). This is not the way I interpreted the manual, but if you are already in possession of the FX1 you can try it and see. The way manual is written, it looks just like the Ground Control Pro which I do have. A preset can store the on/off state of the IA button, so you can have for example a preset with the chorus on and the distortion off etc. But a preset cannot change the CC number that the IA buttons send. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 22:54:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71F163BF41; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43A88A24.8090606@sun.com> References: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> <43A88A24.8090606@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <76521F76-99F5-4592-80FD-2C807DE4CD47@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:50:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:54:06 +0000 (UTC) > > The way manual is written, it looks just like the Ground Control Pro > which I do have. The reason I bought the FX1 and sold my GC Pro is precisely b/c the FX1 has global and per preset IA settings. So, I hope I wasn't misled. I asked other users about this very feature, and I was assured it could do what I wanted. I could have sworn I read it in the FX1 literature too--or maybe Mario himself told me. I forget. I'm waiting to hear back from him. I also asked another FX1 user I know. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 23:13:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95AAD3BF13; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43A88A24.8090606@sun.com> References: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> <43A88A24.8090606@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <90D42193-26BA-47FF-BB05-09BAF1EBFC40@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:10:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Go here and read this thread. Let me know if it's of any use to you: http://www.hugeracksinc.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=17147&highlight=fx1 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 23:20:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 239FD3BF1A; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A891B3.7080604@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:20:19 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new guy intro References: <00b601c600f1$a6ad9570$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <3BBC0856-49AA-4C61-911C-7443CCCC1D8C@the0verclock.com> <43A73365.5070404@addcom.de> <10C5CCCA-D84B-401D-9C11-B7F1DE265301@the0verclock.com> In-Reply-To: <10C5CCCA-D84B-401D-9C11-B7F1DE265301@the0verclock.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Brian Cass wrote: > It maybe a DX7 clone, but it does have the > suspicious ability to mimic the casio CZ line. Can anyone say Phase > Distortion vs. Frequency Modulation. There's a debate for ya. Oh yes, I had a CZ 101 and VZ 1 for a quite a while. > Oh also, i tried using soundflower to get fm7, guitar rig, reaktor as > stand alones to jive with max/msp. Another way to avoid vst~. While it > did work fairly well, it didn't work all the time. Did you try Jack? It seems more universal and will now also run on 10.4. > As of right now I am actually looking at building my > entire system into Guitar Rig 2, it's an incredible improvement over > version 1. Yeah, share your experience... (And if you don't need your fm7 anymore, let me know...;-) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 23:20:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F16F3BF2E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016601c605bc$08a8ab60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: looping in prehistory Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:20:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:20:55 +0000 (UTC) I saw Jaco live at this time (but with Weather Report) and if memory serves, he was using an ADA digital delay. It could also have been an Effectron 1024 as well. What year was this, by the way? It was the first time I had ever seen someone use a delay live with infinite hold and in a very rhythmic way. He looped harmonics with a compressor so that the harmonics and false harmonics were all really loud (never saw anyone do that before either) ...................he had an on/off pedal on one side of the stage when I saw him and at the end of his very flamboyant solo he ran fast across the entire stage and the slid across the stage like he was stealing home into his on off pedal turning of the loop simultaneously. It was so theatrical and punk. I was in awe. I thought I had seen god at that point. I had already experimented with infinite cassette loops and removing erase heads in tape delays (thanks to the inspiration of Michael Haumesser who was the first person I ever saw loop) but you could not control rhythm at all in with those methods or if you could it was very clumsy. Jaco was the first digital looper I ever saw and as a percussionist/drummer the future was clear to see. It would be all the way until Lexicon finally put out the Jamman that I was ever able to manifest my desire to be able to build up rhythm parts and that I think was in '95. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 23:33:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C87C13BF45; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:32:51 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-reply-to: <90D42193-26BA-47FF-BB05-09BAF1EBFC40@midway.uchicago.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A894A3.5050008@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> <43A88A24.8090606@sun.com> <90D42193-26BA-47FF-BB05-09BAF1EBFC40@midway.uchicago.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > Go here and read this thread. Let me know if it's of any use to you: From the thread: [racklicious] However, since I need to have the ability to send CC 80 or 83 from either EXP 1 or 3 depending on the preset, it is critical that I am not forced to assign them to the Instant Access Switches. This one extra design detail of the FX1 is critical for my needs since for musical patches that require an A/B or A+B in very quick bursts, hitting two different switches is very awkward. He is talking about the 4 expression pedal ports. Yes, you can assign different CC numbers to the expression pedals in the preset. But not the CC numbers for the instant access switches. This is also why he says "it is critical that I am not forced to assign them to the Instant Access Switches". See page 43, the only thing you can save for the IA switches is the on/off status. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 23:50:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A7CF3BF3E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43A894A3.5050008@sun.com> References: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> <43A88A24.8090606@sun.com> <90D42193-26BA-47FF-BB05-09BAF1EBFC40@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A894A3.5050008@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <92A4BA4B-F6C2-4B24-860A-FCF442C9E121@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:47:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:50:23 +0000 (UTC) > > He is talking about the 4 expression pedal ports. Yes, you can > assign different CC numbers to the expression pedals in the preset. Yes, but what about the response above that one: > I just sold my GCP and got an FX1. I faced many of the same issues > you have with the GCP. It's very very good, but not expandable or > that flexible. For my needs, the FX1 is absolutely worth the price > difference. Not only can IA switches be set globally and per > preset, you have access to all the expander IA switches per preset, > even if you don't have an expander. Plus the calibration for pedals > is much smarter, again globally and per preset. I guess now I'm even more confused. > But not the CC numbers for the instant access switches. This > is also why he says "it is critical that I am not forced to assign > them to the Instant Access Switches". See page 43, the only thing > you can save for the IA switches is the on/off status. This reply is from another list I'm on, the first part of which confirms what you say: > > The IA switches are set globally. Pedals can be global or per preset. > > You also have 24 internal control changes, you can toggle the 12 IA > switches from the expander even when the expander is not connected, as > well as set a custom hex messages per preset. > > No per preset IA switch configuration though. > > What is it you want to achieve? There might be some other way of > doing it. > > Lars > I would say to email Mario and see if he has any plans to implement the changes you need. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 20 23:51:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9526C3BF58; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,276,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="144554973:sNHT23920812" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20051220154510.0113ae58@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:51:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-Reply-To: <43A87F1F.9080704@sun.com> References: <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Not just the "internal control changes" but also the 16 byte "Preset Custom Hex/MIDI Message" (section 14.7) - you could stuff up to 5 control changes there too. Then you aren't limited to the 24 internal ccs that are set up globally (per section 12.4). At 2005.12.20 02:01 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: >Jeff Larson wrote: >>Right but all they can do is send program changes and optionally >>the "state" of each instance access switch. > >I was slightly wrong. Each preset can also send up to 24 >CC messages when it is selected, and these CC's do not >have to be the same ones assigned to the instant switches. >These are called "internal control changes" in the manual. > >So you could make the 6 preset switches call a non-SUS >EDP function, but since the preset switches are one-shot, >they cannot be used for SUS functions. You can then use >the bank up/down buttons to scroll through different CC >assignments for the bottom 6 switches, but not the top 12 >which are global. > >Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 01:04:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37DCE3BF15; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qq5m6N1l9/VgA+PGFIHT7v2/TX0mwmYKhi0pkY5MXgy5ObYy5hQ0+GgX6IE1XbdneTFdzmlbFkqsBcX6Hxvi4bomRmYAmxDIHfkfrzeOm+52ULq5p40nuUuZ1K7wxBMPfIatBtaA4hE0zPBp1pRucVBEuWXkgD4DUoERb+9Xp5o= ; Message-ID: <20051221010404.14797.qmail@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:04:04 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: OT: was: Looping in prehistory Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00fc01c605a8$a4bf4180$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-172477388-1135127044=:13918" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:04:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-172477388-1135127044=:13918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WOW!!! priceless memories indeed. reads like my itenery for a time machine... holy smokes dude!!! some heavy heavy names to drop. 67 seems bit bit late for being born. very cool! danny/spookyius-humaniod Warren Sirota wrote: -----Original Message----- From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping in prehistory incredible line up how long were the loops jaco was riding? [WS: ] they were only a couple of seconds long. were you at friday night in sanfrancisco...bro? [WS: ] Funny you should ask. actually, I *was* there. great show. were *you* there? that town has had some magic musical moments in time... did floyd do "the wall"on that tour?or was that LA & new york some good ole days for sure [WS: ] The only time I ever saw Floyd was pre-Wall; I was fortunate to also be at an equally incredible concert location - the State University of NY at Stony Brook, 1968-71 (well, I guess the greater NY area gets credit, since we frequently ventured into Manhattan for some other great show). Pink Floyd gave an incredible show, but also there were *so* many other highlights: the Allmans with Duane, Alvin Lee from 10 Years After leaving the stage soaked in sweat and tears of joy, Moby Grape nearly having a fistfight on stage (on the same bill with Procol Harum), the Jefferson Airplane at their peak (right before the Airplane dissolved into the Starship), the Who (with Moon) playing Tommy start to finish, Joe Cocker twice - with the Grease Band and the travelling circus known as Mad Dogs and Englishmen (both great), and my personal favorite of the entire period, Jorma Kaukonen and Jack Cassady playing acoustic (well, not Cassady) for 4 hours straight. I think most of these concerts were probably about $10 each for students. Unfortunately, I was there a year too late to see Hendrix (but I'd seen him the year before at what is now the tennis stadium in Flushing Meadow Park, with Janis opening - or vice versa. Same summer as the Doors and the Who on one bill). I also saw Zep with Bonham elsewhere in that park. I even saw Pentangle, one of my favorite and rarely-exposed groups, at Carnegie Hall in 71. I also saw Miles, playing with most of the "Bitches Brew" band, opening(!!!) for Neil Young solo at Carnegie (or was it Fillmore East?), a great concert all around. Whew! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-172477388-1135127044=:13918 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
WOW!!!
priceless memories indeed.
reads like my itenery for a time machine...
holy smokes dude!!!
some heavy heavy names to drop.
67 seems bit bit late for being born.
 
very cool!    danny/spookyius-humaniod

Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
 
-----Original Message-----
From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:58 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Looping in prehistory

incredible line up
how long were the loops jaco was riding?
[WS: ] they were only a couple of seconds long.  
were you at friday night in sanfrancisco...bro?
[WS: ]  Funny you should ask. actually, I *was* there. great show. were *you* there? 
that town has had some magic musical moments in time...
did floyd do "the wall"on that tour?or was that LA & new york
some good ole days for sure

[WS: ] The only time I ever saw Floyd was pre-Wall; I was fortunate to also be at an equally incredible concert location - the State University of NY at Stony Brook, 1968-71 (well, I guess the greater NY area gets credit, since we frequently ventured into Manhattan for some other great show). Pink Floyd gave an incredible show, but also there were *so* many other highlights: the Allmans with Duane, Alvin Lee from 10 Years After leaving the stage soaked in sweat and tears of joy, Moby Grape nearly having a fistfight on stage (on the same bill with Procol Harum), the Jefferson Airplane at their peak (right before the Airplane dissolved into the Starship), the Who (with Moon) playing Tommy start to finish, Joe Cocker twice - with the Grease Band and the travelling circus known as Mad Dogs and Englishmen (both great), and my personal favorite of the entire period, Jorma Kaukonen and Jack Cassady playing acoustic (well, not Cassady) for 4 hours straight. I think most of these concerts were probably about $10 each for students. Unfortunately, I was there a year too late to see Hendrix (but I'd seen him the year before at what is now the tennis stadium in Flushing Meadow Park, with Janis opening - or vice versa. Same summer as the Doors and the Who on one bill). I also saw Zep with Bonham elsewhere in that park. I even saw Pentangle, one of my favorite and rarely-exposed groups, at Carnegie Hall in 71. I also saw Miles, playing with most of the "Bitches Brew" band, opening(!!!) for Neil Young solo at Carnegie (or was it Fillmore East?), a great concert all around. Whew!
 

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-172477388-1135127044=:13918-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 02:11:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A15D3BEF4; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:11:55 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-reply-to: <92A4BA4B-F6C2-4B24-860A-FCF442C9E121@midway.uchicago.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A8B9EB.9070902@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> <43A88A24.8090606@sun.com> <90D42193-26BA-47FF-BB05-09BAF1EBFC40@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A894A3.5050008@sun.com> <92A4BA4B-F6C2-4B24-860A-FCF442C9E121@midway.uchicago.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > I would say to email Mario and see if he has any plans to implement the > changes you need. Well, basically I need what an AllAccess does for 1/4 the cost :-) Seriously, all of these "grid" controllers were designed for guitar and keyboard players that want to reconfigure a massive rack with the touch of a button, and arrange configurations into "set lists". This is a fine and useful thing, but most of what these do is irrelevant for controlling a looper. A looper controller needs to be able to send lots of different CC or note messages, one at a time, in either one-shot or momentary modes, and support "pages" or "banks" where the same switches can be reconfigured to send different notes in different modes. For example one bank of all the basic EDP functions, and another bank with their SUS equivalents. Most guitar heroes don't need this which I guess is why this feature isn't very common. It would be great if Axcess added this, but at the end of the day, it is still 6 times the cost of an FCB1010, and unless you have a large rack all you really gain is the smaller form factor. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 02:32:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6807A3BF2D; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008501c605d6$d0439cb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:32:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <5Ji4qB.A.TwF.P7LqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:32:47 +0000 (UTC) from Jaco's biography: "As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital Delay, which I put through one amp" Doh!!!!!! I had remembered it, innacurately as an ADA when, of course, it was an MXR delay. I always have a problem remembering the names of those early digital delays (MXR, Delta Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.) They were all out of my price range and were state of the art in their day (and thus, fairly pricey by a beginning musicians' standards). I can see that unit clearly though. with it's big blue faceplate...............I think he was still using Acoustic amps, wasn't he? Someone posted a long time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack mount unit in Union Grove music about that time using it's piddly but exciting short loop time with a microphone. I was really into the music of the Ituri Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool technique where you sing a note into a short piece of closed off bamboo (or you can use a small old fashioned ink bottle, as well) and sing a falsetto note in between blowing on the bottles. With that MXR unit (which I went into the store and 'demoed' every day for a week or so until I wore out my welcome with the owner) I could make a loop and keep adding onto it, simulating a whole small tribe of Pygmies. Wow, was that exciting..............and so outrageously out of my budget to buy. **************************** This thread is really kicking off of my memory of those very exciting days (punk, new wave, electronic music, et. al.) in the first couple of years of the 1980's. At one point there were 45 all original new wave bands playing in Santa Cruz in a half a dozen small venues that featured all original music five to seven days a week. I also remember using an Effectron 1024 (a massive 1.024 seconds of sampling time) made by Delta Labs at the old Art Centre theatre in Santa Cruz. I made a vocal loop with it and then increased the speed so much that it was like a percussion loop, completely unintelligible for it's speed.......................and used it as the basis for an improvisation with Tao Electrical, the group I had with Not Michael (Michael Haumesser) and Jim Rutledge that was a side project for our more popular new wave band at the time, Tao Chemical. At the end of the piece I slowed the Effectron speed down until right at the last second (literally) you could understand that the loop said, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing," and then turned it off, ending the piece. LOL, that sentence came from an anecdote I heard about where Baba Ram Dass had climbed high into the Himalya to find a reclusive spiritual master who lived in a cave up on the mountain. When he got to the top of this arduous climb he asked the hermit, "What's the meaning of life" , to which the hermit replied, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 02:36:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64B5A3BF2E; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43A8B9EB.9070902@sun.com> References: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <5.2.1.1.0.20051220125927.011263b0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A8774E.8080905@sun.com> <43A88A24.8090606@sun.com> <90D42193-26BA-47FF-BB05-09BAF1EBFC40@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A894A3.5050008@sun.com> <92A4BA4B-F6C2-4B24-860A-FCF442C9E121@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8B9EB.9070902@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A7A3466-9103-4C8B-ADA0-861BF26242D5@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:32:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:36:32 +0000 (UTC) > > Seriously, all of these "grid" controllers were designed for guitar > and keyboard players that want to reconfigure a massive rack with the > touch of a button, and arrange configurations into "set lists". Yes, well...what else is there? :) I realize I'm on the wrong list, but I hang around here for the hell of it. The only thing I really want out of a looper is to be able to use it as a practice and compositional tool. > > A looper controller needs to be able to send lots of different CC or > note messages, one at a time, in either one-shot or momentary modes, > and support "pages" or "banks" where the same switches can be > reconfigured to send different notes in different modes. The following response is from a friend of mine. This is all gibberish to me, but you seem to understand it, so here goes: > Ah, but you can! > > There are 12 Instant Access Switches, another 12 that can be called up > per preset (and can be IA once the expander is available), one stereo > jack that can give remote footswitches for IAS 11 and/or 12, and four > jacks that are can be used for pedals. > > BUT those 4 jacks can also be used as a switch, either momentary or > latching. > > So you could assign "pedal" 4 to be a switch, and to send MIDI CC# A > on Channel B globally, and to send MIDI CC# C on Channel D per preset. > > Then, using an external switch connected to the FX1, you could have it > used for different purposes on every preset. > > Make sense? > Make sense to me? No, not really...not yet. ;) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 03:52:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B65E83BF3C; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4CV+rprk0e4xYQuT1Ns6mLAiYOaySgnTWesXcKYQX6EBjX+AOu5kktUgWyO4YzCrjG/omPdWXfJXkd0lWRK0M1C63gBhs4XsjVvfLo22DMCk17pqBOvOde9Oe0IKIr6GLk1obO131lvcuxa/Bkpr6neqjpNH5eYm06LQvFi0Nxk= ; Message-ID: <20051221035222.44629.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:52:22 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008501c605d6$d0439cb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1286924853-1135137142=:44330" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:52:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-1286924853-1135137142=:44330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit could that be the green mxr delay pedal? i spent a whole two weeks pay from the gameroom to get the green pedal & a ev micro synthesizer pedal...cool stuff for the early 80's very versitile as a noise maker,sweeps of 100 percent regenerations into sirens and windy soundscapes. it quit working for some reason,but so did i so...go figure had a power cord like a refridgerator i loved that green delay dl4 has the same feel,some day nostalgic... i like this off topic crap, drop d "boo"psycic "loop.pool" wrote: from Jaco's biography: "As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital Delay, which I put through one amp" Doh!!!!!! I had remembered it, innacurately as an ADA when, of course, it was an MXR delay. I always have a problem remembering the names of those early digital delays (MXR, Delta Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.) They were all out of my price range and were state of the art in their day (and thus, fairly pricey by a beginning musicians' standards). I can see that unit clearly though. with it's big blue faceplate...............I think he was still using Acoustic amps, wasn't he? Someone posted a long time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack mount unit in Union Grove music about that time using it's piddly but exciting short loop time with a microphone. I was really into the music of the Ituri Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool technique where you sing a note into a short piece of closed off bamboo (or you can use a small old fashioned ink bottle, as well) and sing a falsetto note in between blowing on the bottles. With that MXR unit (which I went into the store and 'demoed' every day for a week or so until I wore out my welcome with the owner) I could make a loop and keep adding onto it, simulating a whole small tribe of Pygmies. Wow, was that exciting..............and so outrageously out of my budget to buy. **************************** This thread is really kicking off of my memory of those very exciting days (punk, new wave, electronic music, et. al.) in the first couple of years of the 1980's. At one point there were 45 all original new wave bands playing in Santa Cruz in a half a dozen small venues that featured all original music five to seven days a week. I also remember using an Effectron 1024 (a massive 1.024 seconds of sampling time) made by Delta Labs at the old Art Centre theatre in Santa Cruz. I made a vocal loop with it and then increased the speed so much that it was like a percussion loop, completely unintelligible for it's speed.......................and used it as the basis for an improvisation with Tao Electrical, the group I had with Not Michael (Michael Haumesser) and Jim Rutledge that was a side project for our more popular new wave band at the time, Tao Chemical. At the end of the piece I slowed the Effectron speed down until right at the last second (literally) you could understand that the loop said, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing," and then turned it off, ending the piece. LOL, that sentence came from an anecdote I heard about where Baba Ram Dass had climbed high into the Himalya to find a reclusive spiritual master who lived in a cave up on the mountain. When he got to the top of this arduous climb he asked the hermit, "What's the meaning of life" , to which the hermit replied, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1286924853-1135137142=:44330 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

could that be the green mxr delay pedal?
i spent a whole two weeks pay from the gameroom to get the green pedal & a ev micro synthesizer pedal...cool stuff for the early 80's
very versitile as a noise maker,sweeps of 100 percent regenerations into sirens and windy soundscapes.
it quit working for some reason,but so did i so...go figure
had a power cord like a refridgerator
i loved that green delay
dl4 has the same feel,some day nostalgic...
i like this off topic crap,
                                       drop d "boo"psycic
"loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
from Jaco's biography:
"As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital
Delay, which I put through one amp"


Doh!!!!!! I had remembered it, innacurately as an ADA when, of course, it
was an MXR delay.
I always have a problem remembering the names of those early digital delays
(MXR, Delta Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.)
They were all out of my price range and were state of the art in their day
(and thus, fairly
pricey by a beginning musicians' standards).

I can see that unit clearly though. with it's big blue
faceplate...............I think he was still using Acoustic amps, wasn't
he?

Someone posted a long time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack mount
unit in Union Grove music about that time
using it's piddly but exciting short loop time with a microphone. I was
really into the music of the Ituri
Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool technique where you sing a
note into a short piece of
closed off bamboo (or you can use a small old fashioned ink bottle, as well)
and sing a falsetto note
in between blowing on the bottles.

With that MXR unit (which I went into the store and 'demoed' every day for a
week or so until I wore out my
welcome with the owner) I could make a loop and keep adding onto it,
simulating a whole small tribe of Pygmies.
Wow, was that exciting..............and so outrageously out of my budget to
buy.

****************************
This thread is really kicking off of my memory of those very exciting days
(punk, new wave, electronic music, et. al.)
in the first couple of years of the 1980's. At one point there were 45 all
original new wave bands playing in Santa Cruz
in a half a dozen small venues that featured all original music five to
seven days a week.

I also remember using an Effectron 1024 (a massive 1.024 seconds of sampling
time) made by Delta Labs at the
old Art Centre theatre in Santa Cruz.

I made a vocal loop with it and then increased the speed so much that it
was like a percussion loop, completely
unintelligible for it's speed.......................and used it as the basis
for an improvisation with Tao Electrical,
the group I had with Not Michael (Michael Haumesser) and Jim Rutledge that
was a side project for our more
popular new wave band at the time, Tao Chemical.

At the end of the piece I slowed the Effectron speed down until right at the
last second (literally) you could understand
that the loop said, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing," and then turned it
off, ending the piece.

LOL, that sentence came from an anecdote I heard about where Baba Ram Dass
had climbed high into the Himalya to find
a reclusive spiritual master who lived in a cave up on the mountain. When
he got to the top of this arduous climb he asked the
hermit, "What's the meaning of life" , to which the hermit replied, "It
doesn't mean a fucking thing".


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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1286924853-1135137142=:44330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 03:56:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1F763BF49; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:56:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aralWfuIq8zhg+Aa+xj/0qcb6U2XRlTxNwYSlIurl1rsJlUF4RgaNlymliMUn/hQyLiIwphLaKNLb5+7UlPxZ1GYNMFG//W6N3zx6pkrAlpm8iP0yULRfPbLhU3bD09ABtShRKgDfVKMS/Llcz6IHdD+BK1hz3krVZ+FZYZuTOA= ; Message-ID: <20051221035631.4639.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:56:31 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051221035222.44629.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1140858563-1135137391=:3253" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3VhLtB.A.U5H.1JNqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:56:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-1140858563-1135137391=:3253 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i mean eh not ev ..i think...you know the micro synthesizer..bubbly glitches.cool kind of backward sound if ya bend into notes,squishy stuff,kinda bootsy-like daniel stevenson wrote: could that be the green mxr delay pedal? i spent a whole two weeks pay from the gameroom to get the green pedal & a ev micro synthesizer pedal...cool stuff for the early 80's very versitile as a noise maker,sweeps of 100 percent regenerations into sirens and windy soundscapes. it quit working for some reason,but so did i so...go figure had a power cord like a refridgerator i loved that green delay dl4 has the same feel,some day nostalgic... i like this off topic crap, drop d "boo"psycic "loop.pool" wrote: from Jaco's biography: "As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital Delay, which I put through one amp" Doh!!!!!! I had remembered it, innacurately as an ADA when, of course, it was an MXR delay. I always have a problem remembering the names of those early digital delays (MXR, Delta Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.) They were all out of my price range and were state of the art in their day (and thus, fairly pricey by a beginning musicians' standards). I can see that unit clearly though. with it's big blue faceplate...............I think he was still using Acoustic amps, wasn't he? Someone posted a long time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack mount unit in Union Grove music about that time using it's piddly but exciting short loop time with a microphone. I was really into the music of the Ituri Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool technique where you sing a note into a short piece of closed off bamboo (or you can use a small old fashioned ink bottle, as well) and sing a falsetto note in between blowing on the bottles. With that MXR unit (which I went into the store and 'demoed' every day for a week or so until I wore out my welcome with the owner) I could make a loop and keep adding onto it, simulating a whole small tribe of Pygmies. Wow, was that exciting..............and so outrageously out of my budget to buy. **************************** This thread is really kicking off of my memory of those very exciting days (punk, new wave, electronic music, et. al.) in the first couple of years of the 1980's. At one point there were 45 all original new wave bands playing in Santa Cruz in a half a dozen small venues that featured all original music five to seven days a week. I also remember using an Effectron 1024 (a massive 1.024 seconds of sampling time) made by Delta Labs at the old Art Centre theatre in Santa Cruz. I made a vocal loop with it and then increased the speed so much that it was like a percussion loop, completely unintelligible for it's speed.......................and used it as the basis for an improvisation with Tao Electrical, the group I had with Not Michael (Michael Haumesser) and Jim Rutledge that was a side project for our more popular new wave band at the time, Tao Chemical. At the end of the piece I slowed the Effectron speed down until right at the last second (literally) you could understand that the loop said, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing," and then turned it off, ending the piece. LOL, that sentence came from an anecdote I heard about where Baba Ram Dass had climbed high into the Himalya to find a reclusive spiritual master who lived in a cave up on the mountain. When he got to the top of this arduous climb he asked the hermit, "What's the meaning of life" , to which the hermit replied, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1140858563-1135137391=:3253 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

i mean eh not ev ..i think...you know the micro synthesizer..bubbly glitches.cool kind of backward sound if ya bend into notes,squishy stuff,kinda bootsy-like

daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
could that be the green mxr delay pedal?
i spent a whole two weeks pay from the gameroom to get the green pedal & a ev micro synthesizer pedal...cool stuff for the early 80's
very versitile as a noise maker,sweeps of 100 percent regenerations into sirens and windy soundscapes.
it quit working for some reason,but so did i so...go figure
had a power cord like a refridgerator
i loved that green delay
dl4 has the same feel,some day nostalgic...
i like this off topic crap,
                                       drop d "boo"psycic
"loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
from Jaco's biography:
"As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital
Delay, which I put through one amp"


Doh!!!!!! I had remembered it, innacurately as an ADA when, of course, it
was an MXR delay.
I always have a problem remembering the names of those early digital delays
(MXR, Delta Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.)
They were all out of my price range and were state of the art in their day
(and thus, fairly
pricey by a beginning musicians' standards).

I can see that unit clearly though. with it's big blue
faceplate...............I think he was still using Acoustic amps, wasn't
he?

Someone posted a long time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack mount
unit in Union Grove music about that time
using it's piddly but exciting short loop time with a microphone. I was
really into the music of the Ituri
Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool technique where you sing a
note into a short piece of
closed off bamboo (or you can use a small old fashioned ink bottle, as well)
and sing a falsetto note
in between blowing on the bottles.

With that MXR unit (which I went into the store and 'demoed' every day for a
week or so until I wore out my
welcome with the owner) I could make a loop and keep adding onto it,
simulating a whole small tribe of Pygmies.
Wow, was that exciting..............and so outrageously out of my budget to
buy.

****************************
This thread is really kicking off of my memory of those very exciting days
(punk, new wave, electronic music, et. al.)
in the first couple of years of the 1980's. At one point there were 45 all
original new wave bands playing in Santa Cruz
in a half a dozen small venues that featured all original music five to
seven days a week.

I also remember using an Effectron 1024 (a massive 1.024 seconds of sampling
time) made by Delta Labs at the
old Art Centre theatre in Santa Cruz.

I made a vocal loop with it and then increased the speed so much that it
was like a percussion loop, completely
unintelligible for it's speed.......................and used it as the basis
for an improvisation with Tao Electrical,
the group I had with Not Michael (Michael Haumesser) and Jim Rutledge that
was a side project for our more
popular new wave band at the time, Tao Chemical.

At the end of the piece I slowed the Effectron speed down until right at the
last second (literally) you could understand
that the loop said, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing," and then turned it
off, ending the piece.

LOL, that sentence came from an anecdote I heard about where Baba Ram Dass
had climbed high into the Himalya to find
a reclusive spiritual master who lived in a cave up on the mountain. When
he got to the top of this arduous climb he asked the
hermit, "What's the meaning of life" , to which the hermit replied, "It
doesn't mean a fucking thing".


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This doesn't change the IA switches, it is simply sending a bunch of CC messages when you press a preset switch. So, if you setup a preset to send only one CC message it would behave sort of like an IA switch except that it cannot operate in "momentary" mode where CC 127 is sent when the switch is down and CC 0 is sent when the switch is released. >> BUT those 4 jacks can also be used as a switch, either momentary or >> latching. >> >> So you could assign "pedal" 4 to be a switch, and to send MIDI CC# A >> on Channel B globally, and to send MIDI CC# C on Channel D per preset. Yes, but like the other guy he's talking about the 4 jacks for an external expression pedal or switch. You can save different CC assignments for these per-preset, but you only have four of them and you have to mess with 4 external pedals or switches. To make it really specific, what I would like to do (and what the AllAccess allows) is to assign IA switches 1-12 to CC numbers 0-11 in preset 1, then to CC numbers 12-23 in preset 2, then to CC numbers 24-35 in preset 3, etc. That way you can use the bottom row of preset switches to instantly select 6 banks of 12 completely different IA switches. What makes this confusing is that when people with my needs say "I need to send a lot of different CC messages" what most foot controller manufacturers think that means is "I need to send a lot of different CC messages at the same time when I press one switch". What it really means is "I need a lot of switches that send a single unique CC message". Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 04:50:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E232D3BF4A; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:48:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C605A6.AA1DD670" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20051221035222.44629.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:50:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C605A6.AA1DD670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I remember correctly, Jaco's solo loop piece I saw went something like this: badadabompbomp badadabompbomp badadabompbomp badadabompbomp to which he added: beap diddle deedee dee dee bomp beap diddle deedee dee dee After that I'm not so sure Ha Ha! but I do remember the finale of him leaping from the top of his Acoustic amp on to his oscillating bass ,yanking the plug from it , and sending it shooting across the stage. I'm still not quite sure if that was intentional or not! LOL Bill -----Original Message----- From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory could that be the green mxr delay pedal? i spent a whole two weeks pay from the gameroom to get the green pedal & a ev micro synthesizer pedal...cool stuff for the early 80's very versitile as a noise maker,sweeps of 100 percent regenerations into sirens and windy soundscapes. it quit working for some reason,but so did i so...go figure had a power cord like a refridgerator i loved that green delay dl4 has the same feel,some day nostalgic... i like this off topic crap, drop d "boo"psycic "loop.pool" wrote: from Jaco's biography: "As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital Delay, which I put through one amp" Doh!!!!!! I had remembered it, innacurately as an ADA when, of course, it was an MXR delay. I always have a problem remembering the names of those early digital delays (MXR, Delta Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.) They were all out of my price range and were state of the art in their day (and thus, fairly pricey by a beginning musicians' standards). I can see that unit clearly though. with it's big blue faceplate...............I think he was still using Acoustic amps, wasn't he? Someone posted a long time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack mount unit in Union Grove music about that time using it's piddly but exciting short loop time with a microphone. I was really into the music of the Ituri Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool technique where you sing a note into a shor! t piece of closed off bamboo (or you can use a small old fashioned ink bottle, as well) and sing a falsetto note in between blowing on the bottles. With that MXR unit (which I went into the store and 'demoed' every day for a week or so until I wore out my welcome with the owner) I could make a loop and keep adding onto it, simulating a whole small tribe of Pygmies. Wow, was that exciting..............and so outrageously out of my budget to buy. **************************** This thread is really kicking off of my memory of those very exciting days (punk, new wave, electronic music, et. al.) in the first couple of years of the 1980's. At one point there were 45 all original new wave bands playing in Santa Cruz in a half a dozen small venues that featured all original music five to seven days a week. I also remember using an Effectron 1024 (a massive 1.024 seconds of sampling time) made by Delta Labs at the o! ld Art Centre theatre in Santa Cruz. I made a vocal loop with it and then increased the speed so much that it was like a percussion loop, completely unintelligible for it's speed.......................and used it as the basis for an improvisation with Tao Electrical, the group I had with Not Michael (Michael Haumesser) and Jim Rutledge that was a side project for our more popular new wave band at the time, Tao Chemical. At the end of the piece I slowed the Effectron speed down until right at the last second (literally) you could understand that the loop said, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing," and then turned it off, ending the piece. LOL, that sentence came from an anecdote I heard about where Baba Ram Dass had climbed high into the Himalya to find a reclusive spiritual master who lived in a cave up on the mountain. When he got to the top of this arduous climb he asked the hermit, "What's the meaning of life" , to! which the hermit replied, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C605A6.AA1DD670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If I=20 remember correctly,  Jaco's solo loop piece I saw went something = like=20 this:
 
badadabompbomp badadabompbomp  badadabompbomp = badadabompbomp=20
 
 
to=20 which he added:
 
 
beap=20 diddle deedee dee dee bomp
 
 
beap diddle=20 deedee dee dee
 
 
After=20 that I'm not so sure  Ha Ha!  but I do remember the finale of = him=20 leaping from the top of his Acoustic amp on to his oscillating bass = ,yanking the=20 plug from it , and sending it shooting across the stage. I'm still not = quite=20 sure if that was intentional or not!  LOL
 
Bill
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: daniel stevenson=20 [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, = 2005=20 7:52 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in = prehistory

could that be the green mxr delay pedal?
i spent a whole two weeks pay from the gameroom to get the = green=20 pedal & a ev micro synthesizer pedal...cool stuff for the = early=20 80's
very versitile as a noise maker,sweeps of 100 percent = regenerations into=20 sirens and windy soundscapes.
it quit working for some reason,but so did i so...go = figure
had a=20 power cord like a refridgerator
i loved that green delay
dl4 has the same feel,some day nostalgic...
i like this off topic crap,
=
           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  =20 drop d "boo"psycic
"loop.pool" = <looppool@cruzio.com>=20 wrote:
from=20 Jaco's biography:
"As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR = Digital
Delay, which I put through one amp"


Doh!!!!!! = I had=20 remembered it, innacurately as an ADA when, of course, it
was an = MXR=20 delay.
I always have a problem remembering the names of those = early=20 digital delays
(MXR, Delta Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.)
They were = all out=20 of my price range and were state of the art in their day
(and = thus,=20 fairly
pricey by a beginning musicians' standards).

I can = see that=20 unit clearly though. with it's big blue =
faceplate...............I think=20 he was still using Acoustic amps, wasn't
he?

Someone = posted a=20 long time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack mount
unit in = Union=20 Grove music about that time
using it's piddly but exciting short = loop=20 time with a microphone. I was
really into the music of the=20 Ituri
Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool technique = where=20 you sing a
note into a shor! t piece of
closed off bamboo (or = you can=20 use a small old fashioned ink bottle, as well)
and sing a = falsetto=20 note
in between blowing on the bottles.

With that MXR unit = (which=20 I went into the store and 'demoed' every day for a
week or so = until I=20 wore out my
welcome with the owner) I could make a loop and keep = adding=20 onto it,
simulating a whole small tribe of Pygmies.
Wow, was = that=20 exciting..............and so outrageously out of my budget to=20
buy.

****************************
This thread is = really=20 kicking off of my memory of those very exciting days
(punk, new = wave,=20 electronic music, et. al.)
in the first couple of years of the = 1980's. At=20 one point there were 45 all
original new wave bands playing in = Santa=20 Cruz
in a half a dozen small venues that featured all original = music five=20 to
seven days a week.

I also remember using an Effectron = 1024 (a=20 massive 1.024 seconds of sampling
time) made by Delta Labs at = the
o!=20 ld Art Centre theatre in Santa Cruz.

I made a vocal loop with = it and=20 then increased the speed so much that it
was like a percussion = loop,=20 completely
unintelligible for it's = speed.......................and used=20 it as the basis
for an improvisation with Tao Electrical,
the = group I=20 had with Not Michael (Michael Haumesser) and Jim Rutledge that =
was a=20 side project for our more
popular new wave band at the time, Tao=20 Chemical.

At the end of the piece I slowed the Effectron = speed down=20 until right at the
last second (literally) you could = understand
that=20 the loop said, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing," and then turned it =
off, ending the piece.

LOL, that sentence came from an = anecdote I=20 heard about where Baba Ram Dass
had climbed high into the = Himalya to=20 find
a reclusive spiritual master who lived in a cave up on the = mountain.=20 When
he got to the top of this arduous climb he asked = the
hermit,=20 "What's the meaning of life" , to! which the hermit replied, "It =
doesn't=20 mean a fucking thing".


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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C605A6.AA1DD670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 05:03:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E06C3BF5C; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Line 6 Dl4 mod Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:03:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C605A8.DA8A5020" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20051221035222.44629.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:03:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C605A8.DA8A5020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I just got my DL4 back from Keeley electronics. I had them do the modification I might have mentioned a few weeks back. My little Christmas present to myself. I'm happy to report that these almost 49 year old ears can hear the difference. Its cleaner sounding with no volume drop when using it as a delay, and it seems to be missing some annoying high frequency back ground noise and RF. And it now sports the ultra cool blue LEDs!! check it out at www.robertkeeley.com Bill ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C605A8.DA8A5020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, I=20 just got my DL4 back from Keeley electronics. I had them do the = modification I=20 might have mentioned a few weeks back. My little Christmas present to = myself.=20 I'm happy to report that these almost 49 year old ears can hear the = difference.=20 Its cleaner sounding  with no volume drop when using it as a delay, = and it=20 seems to be missing some annoying high frequency back ground noise=20 and RF. And it now sports the ultra cool blue = LEDs!!   =20 check it out at www.robertkeeley.com
Bill
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C605A8.DA8A5020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 05:30:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C83D3BF56; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <14389797b91e2053c41e4414f1fc8f4e@finleysound.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matthew F.McCabe Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:27:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.134 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Michael, I'm using the All Access with an EDP and last time I turned everything on it worked fine!! I've gotten sidetracked with the simplicities of playing an acoustic guitar. Anyway, I'm not a power EDP user, but I've been able to set up the All Access to control the following functions using the "Instant Access" switches; Record, Overdub, Multiply, Speed, Direction, NextLoop, SUSSubstitute and Long Undo (not sure if some of those are correct EDP speak, but that's what my notes say). If you have any specific questions, I'll try to answer them. Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Dec 19, 2005, at 11:13 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > who uses the Rocktron to control the EDP and can comment on its > qualities? > (and could possibly give me some advice on how to program it?) there > is one > for sale on eBay here in Germany ... -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 06:03:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 864A63BEF6; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=CGiHMJoiHxpEfP2ZJbx1HZzMtCwPLsV0H1I6VnWWAHqkReapnUs3PIDF8ZBUGfpA; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:02:03 -0800 Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory From: stanitarium To: Loopers-Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3217960923_617060_MIME_Part" X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd484f8d3405df5251e16468e108250e4ff04e508857176a6fc1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.213.77 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:03:32 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3217960923_617060_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Bill- wasnt it 180bpm budda budda bambitty bam bam-di dit dit bomp be bomp boop bomp de bomp-er sompin? i saw the immortal JACO w/ WeatherReport @ Winterland here in the city in 1978 and i made a live tape of it which i'm listening to right now-sounds great!(gotta figure out how to get this to digital someday) anyway the bass solo is approx 10min.w/ tributes to JIMI andSomewhere o t r, and some Charlie Parker-But NO Looping-so i guess he got that MXR the next year in time for Joni and forever more... s on 12/20/05 8:48 PM, William Walker at billwalker@baymoon.com wrote: If I remember correctly, Jaco's solo loop piece I saw went something like this: badadabompbomp badadabompbomp badadabompbomp badadabompbomp to which he added: beap diddle deedee dee dee bomp beap diddle deedee dee dee After that I'm not so sure Ha Ha! but I do remember the finale of him leaping from the top of his Acoustic amp on to his oscillating bass ,yanking the plug from it , and sending it shooting across the stage. I'm still not quite sure if that was intentional or not! LOL Bill -----Original Message----- From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory could that be the green mxr delay pedal? i spent a whole two weeks pay from the gameroom to get the green pedal & a ev micro synthesizer pedal...cool stuff for the early 80's very versitile as a noise maker,sweeps of 100 percent regenerations into sirens and windy soundscapes. it quit working for some reason,but so did i so...go figure had a power cord like a refridgerator i loved that green delay dl4 has the same feel,some day nostalgic... i like this off topic crap, drop d "boo"psycic "loop.pool" wrote: from Jaco's biography: "As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital Delay, which I put through one amp" Doh!!!!!! I had remembered it, innacurately as an ADA when, of course, it was an MXR delay. I always have a problem remembering the names of those early digital delays (MXR, Delta Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.) They were all out of my price range and were state of the art in their day (and thus, fairly pricey by a beginning musicians' standards). I can see that unit clearly though. with it's big blue faceplate...............I think he was still using Acoustic amps, wasn't he? Someone posted a long time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack mount unit in Union Grove music about that time using it's piddly but exciting short loop time with a microphone. I was really into the music of the Ituri Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool technique where you sing a note into a shor! t piece of closed off bamboo (or you can use a small old fashioned ink bottle, as well) and sing a falsetto note in between blowing on the bottles. With that MXR unit (which I went into the store and 'demoed' every day for a week or so until I wore out my welcome with the owner) I could make a loop and keep adding onto it, simulating a whole small tribe of Pygmies. Wow, was that exciting..............and so outrageously out of my budget to buy. **************************** This thread is really kicking off of my memory of those very exciting days (punk, new wave, electronic music, et. al.) in the first couple of years of the 1980's. At one point there were 45 all original new wave bands playing in Santa Cruz in a half a dozen small venues that featured all original music five to seven days a week. I also remember using an Effectron 1024 (a massive 1.024 seconds of sampling time) made by Delta Labs at the o! ld Art Centre theatre in Santa Cruz. I made a vocal loop with it and then increased the speed so much that it was like a percussion loop, completely unintelligible for it's speed.......................and used it as the basis for an improvisation with Tao Electrical, the group I had with Not Michael (Michael Haumesser) and Jim Rutledge that was a side project for our more popular new wave band at the time, Tao Chemical. At the end of the piece I slowed the Effectron speed down until right at the last second (literally) you could understand that the loop said, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing," and then turned it off, ending the piece. LOL, that sentence came from an anecdote I heard about where Baba Ram Dass had climbed high into the Himalya to find a reclusive spiritual master who lived in a cave up on the mountain. When he got to the top of this arduous climb he asked the hermit, "What's the meaning of life" , to! which the hermit replied, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --MS_Mac_OE_3217960923_617060_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: gratuitous nostalgia     was:  re: Loop= ing in prehistory Bill- wasnt it 180bpm budda budda bambitty bam bam-di dit dit bomp be bomp = boop bomp de bomp-er sompin?
i saw the immortal JACO w/ WeatherReport @ Winterland here in the city in 1= 978 and i made a live tape of it which i'm listening to right now-sounds gre= at!(gotta figure out how to get this to digital someday)
anyway the bass solo is approx 10min.w/ tributes to JIMI andSomewhere o t r= , and some Charlie Parker-But NO Looping-so i guess he got that MXR the next= year in time for Joni and forever more...
s



on 12/20/05 8:48 PM, William Walker at billwalker@baymoon.com wrote:
If I re= member correctly,  Jaco's solo loop piece I saw went something like thi= s:
badadabompbomp badadabompbomp  badadabompbomp badadabompbomp
to which he added:
beap diddle deedee dee dee bomp
beap diddle deedee = dee dee
After that I'm not so sure  Ha Ha!  but I do remember the finale = of him leaping from the top of his Acoustic amp on to his oscillating bass ,= yanking the plug from it , and sending it shooting across the stage. I'm sti= ll not quite sure if that was intentional or not!  LOL
Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:52 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory

could that be the green mxr delay pedal?
i spent a whole two weeks pay from the gameroom to get the green pedal &= ; a ev micro synthesizer pedal...cool stuff for the early 80's
very versitile as a noise maker,sweeps of 100 percent regenerations into si= rens and windy soundscapes.
it quit working for some reason,but so did i so...go figure
had a power cord like a refridgerator
i loved that green delay
dl4 has the same feel,some day nostalgic...
i like this off topic crap,
            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;drop d "boo"psycic
"loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
from Jaco's biography:
"As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital
Delay, which I put through one amp"


Doh!!!!!! I had remembered it, innacurately as an ADA when, of course, it <= BR> was an MXR delay.
I always have a problem remembering the names of those early digital delays=
(MXR, Delta Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.)
They were all out of my price range and were state of the art in their day =
(and thus, fairly
pricey by a beginning musicians' standards).

I can see that unit clearly though. with it's big blue
faceplate...............I think he was still using Acoustic amps, wasn't he?

Someone posted a long time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack mount <= BR> unit in Union Grove music about that time
using it's piddly but exciting short loop time with a microphone. I was really into the music of the Ituri
Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool technique where you sing a=
note into a shor! t piece of
closed off bamboo (or you can use a small old fashioned ink bottle, as well= )
and sing a falsetto note
in between blowing on the bottles.

With that MXR unit (which I went into the store and 'demoed' every day for = a
week or so until I wore out my
welcome with the owner) I could make a loop and keep adding onto it,
simulating a whole small tribe of Pygmies.
Wow, was that exciting..............and so outrageously out of my budget to=
buy.

****************************
This thread is really kicking off of my memory of those very exciting days =
(punk, new wave, electronic music, et. al.)
in the first couple of years of the 1980's. At one point there were 45 all =
original new wave bands playing in Santa Cruz
in a half a dozen small venues that featured all original music five to seven days a week.

I also remember using an Effectron 1024 (a massive 1.024 seconds of samplin= g
time) made by Delta Labs at the
o! ld Art Centre theatre in Santa Cruz.

I made a vocal loop with it and then increased the speed so much that it was like a percussion loop, completely
unintelligible for it's speed.......................and used it as the basi= s
for an improvisation with Tao Electrical,
the group I had with Not Michael (Michael Haumesser) and Jim Rutledge that =
was a side project for our more
popular new wave band at the time, Tao Chemical.

At the end of the piece I slowed the Effectron speed down until right at th= e
last second (literally) you could understand
that the loop said, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing," and then t= urned it
off, ending the piece.

LOL, that sentence came from an anecdote I heard about where Baba Ram Dass =
had climbed high into the Himalya to find
a reclusive spiritual master who lived in a cave up on the mountain. When <= BR> he got to the top of this arduous climb he asked the
hermit, "What's the meaning of life" , to! which the hermit repli= ed, "It
doesn't mean a fucking thing".



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--MS_Mac_OE_3217960923_617060_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 06:28:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB9EE3BF2E; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:28:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C605B4.A9471D20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:28:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C605B4.A9471D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistoryI was at that show too Dude!!! with Alex Acuna on drums, and Manalo Badrena (?) on percussion, and I can't argue with your documentation (though I'd love to hear it), though I saw him/Them at San Jose Perfoming Arts Center as well, perhaps the following tour, I had a much better seat, he had a blue face MXR rack delay, and I remember distinctly ,badadabompbomp badadabompbomp badadabompbomp badadabompbomp ,beap diddle deedee dee debomp beap diddle deedee dee dee OK? so please don't fog my fuzzy memory, OK? :-) -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Bill- wasnt it 180bpm budda budda bambitty bam bam-di dit dit bomp be bomp boop bomp de bomp-er sompin? i saw the immortal JACO w/ WeatherReport @ Winterland here in the city in 1978 and i made a live tape of it which i'm listening to right now-sounds great!(gotta figure out how to get this to digital someday) anyway the bass solo is approx 10min.w/ tributes to JIMI andSomewhere o t r, and some Charlie Parker-But NO Looping-so i guess he got that MXR the next year in time for Joni and forever more... s on 12/20/05 8:48 PM, William Walker at billwalker@baymoon.com wrote: If I remember correctly, Jaco's solo loop piece I saw went something like this: badadabompbomp badadabompbomp badadabompbomp badadabompbomp to which he added: beap diddle deedee dee debomp e beap diddle deedee dee dee After that I'm not so sure Ha Ha! but I do remember the finale of him leaping from the top of his Acoustic amp on to his oscillating bass ,yanking the plug from it , and sending it shooting across the stage. I'm still not quite sure if that was intentional or not! LOL Bill -----Original Message----- From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory could that be the green mxr delay pedal? i spent a whole two weeks pay from the gameroom to get the green pedal & a ev micro synthesizer pedal...cool stuff for the early 80's very versitile as a noise maker,sweeps of 100 percent regenerations into sirens and windy soundscapes. it quit working for some reason,but so did i so...go figure had a power cord like a refridgerator i loved that green delay dl4 has the same feel,some day nostalgic... i like this off topic crap, drop d "boo"psycic "loop.pool" wrote: from Jaco's biography: "As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital Delay, which I put through one amp" Doh!!!!!! I had remembered it, innacurately as an ADA when, of course, it was an MXR delay. I always have a problem remembering the names of those early digital delays (MXR, Delta Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.) They were all out of my price range and were state of the art in their day (and thus, fairly pricey by a beginning musicians' standards). I can see that unit clearly though. with it's big blue faceplate...............I think he was still using Acoustic amps, wasn't he? Someone posted a long time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack mount unit in Union Grove music about that time using it's piddly but exciting short loop time with a microphone. I was really into the music of the Ituri Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool technique where you sing a note into a shor! t piece of closed off bamboo (or you can use a small old fashioned ink bottle, as well) and sing a falsetto note in between blowing on the bottles. With that MXR unit (which I went into the store and 'demoed' every day for a week or so until I wore out my welcome with the owner) I could make a loop and keep adding onto it, simulating a whole small tribe of Pygmies. Wow, was that exciting..............and so outrageously out of my budget to buy. **************************** This thread is really kicking off of my memory of those very exciting days (punk, new wave, electronic music, et. al.) in the first couple of years of the 1980's. At one point there were 45 all original new wave bands playing in Santa Cruz in a half a dozen small venues that featured all original music five to seven days a week. I also remember using an Effectron 1024 (a massive 1.024 seconds of sampling time) made by Delta Labs at the o! ld Art Centre theatre in Santa Cruz. I made a vocal loop with it and then increased the speed so much that it was like a percussion loop, completely unintelligible for it's speed.......................and used it as the basis for an improvisation with Tao Electrical, the group I had with Not Michael (Michael Haumesser) and Jim Rutledge that was a side project for our more popular new wave band at the time, Tao Chemical. At the end of the piece I slowed the Effectron speed down until right at the last second (literally) you could understand that the loop said, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing," and then turned it off, ending the piece. LOL, that sentence came from an anecdote I heard about where Baba Ram Dass had climbed high into the Himalya to find a reclusive spiritual master who lived in a cave up on the mountain. When he got to the top of this arduous climb he asked the hermit, "What's the meaning of life" , to! which the hermit replied, "It doesn't mean a fucking thing". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C605B4.A9471D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: gratuitous nostalgia     was: =  re: Looping in prehistory
I was=20 at that show too Dude!!! with Alex Acuna on drums, and Manalo Badrena = (?) on=20 percussion,  and I can't argue with your documentation (though I'd = love to=20 hear it), though I saw him/Them at San Jose Perfoming Arts Center as = well,=20 perhaps the following tour,  I had a much better seat, he had a = blue face=20 MXR rack delay, and I remember distinctly ,badadabompbomp = badadabompbomp=20  badadabompbomp badadabompbomp ,beap diddle deedee dee debomp  beap diddle deedee dee = dee OK? so=20 please don't fog my fuzzy memory, OK? =
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: stanitarium=20 [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December = 20, 2005=20 10:02 PM
To: Loopers-Delight
Subject: Re: = gratuitous=20 nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory

Bill- = wasnt it=20 180bpm budda budda bambitty bam bam-di dit dit bomp be bomp boop bomp = de=20 bomp-er sompin?
i saw the immortal JACO w/ WeatherReport @ = Winterland here=20 in the city in 1978 and i made a live tape of it which i'm listening = to right=20 now-sounds great!(gotta figure out how to get this to digital=20 someday)
anyway the bass solo is approx 10min.w/ tributes to JIMI=20 andSomewhere o t r, and some Charlie Parker-But NO Looping-so i guess = he got=20 that MXR the next year in time for Joni and forever=20 more...
s



on 12/20/05 8:48 PM, William Walker at=20 billwalker@baymoon.com wrote:
If = I remember=20 correctly,  Jaco's solo loop piece I saw went something like=20 this:
badadabompbomp badadabompbomp  badadabompbomp = badadabompbomp=20
to which he added:
beap diddle deedee dee debomp
e=20 beap=20 diddle deedee dee dee
After that I'm not so sure  Ha Ha! =  but I=20 do remember the finale of him leaping from the top of his Acoustic = amp on to=20 his oscillating bass ,yanking the plug from it , and sending it = shooting=20 across the stage. I'm still not quite sure if that was intentional = or not!=20  LOL
Bill



-----Original = Message-----
From: daniel=20 stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, = December 20, 2005 7:52 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: = gratuitous=20 nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory

could that = be the=20 green mxr delay pedal?
i spent a whole two weeks pay from the = gameroom=20 to get the green pedal & a ev micro synthesizer pedal...cool = stuff for=20 the early 80's
very versitile as a noise maker,sweeps of 100 = percent=20 regenerations into sirens and windy soundscapes.
it quit = working for=20 some reason,but so did i so...go figure
had a power cord like a = refridgerator
i loved that green delay
dl4 has the same = feel,some=20 day nostalgic...
i like this off topic=20 = crap,
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =    drop=20 d "boo"psycic
"loop.pool" = <looppool@cruzio.com>=20 wrote:
from Jaco's biography:
"As Jaco described the = effect,=20 "I've got an MXR Digital
Delay, which I put through one=20 amp"


Doh!!!!!! I had remembered it, innacurately as = an ADA=20 when, of course, it
was an MXR delay.
I always have a = problem=20 remembering the names of those early digital delays
(MXR, = Delta=20 Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.)
They were all out of my price range = and were=20 state of the art in their day
(and thus, fairly
pricey by = a=20 beginning musicians' standards).

I can see that unit = clearly=20 though. with it's big blue
faceplate...............I think = he was=20 still using Acoustic amps, wasn't
he?

Someone posted = a long=20 time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack mount
unit in = Union=20 Grove music about that time
using it's piddly but exciting = short loop=20 time with a microphone. I was
really into the music of the=20 Ituri
Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool = technique=20 where you sing a
note into a shor! t piece of
closed off = bamboo=20 (or you can use a small old fashioned ink bottle, as well) =
and sing=20 a falsetto note
in between blowing on the = bottles.

With that=20 MXR unit (which I went into the store and 'demoed' every day for = a=20
week or so until I wore out my
welcome with the owner) I = could=20 make a loop and keep adding onto it,
simulating a whole = small tribe=20 of Pygmies.
Wow, was that exciting..............and so = outrageously=20 out of my budget to =
buy.

****************************
This=20 thread is really kicking off of my memory of those very exciting = days=20
(punk, new wave, electronic music, et. al.)
in the first = couple=20 of years of the 1980's. At one point there were 45 all =
original new=20 wave bands playing in Santa Cruz
in a half a dozen small = venues that=20 featured all original music five to
seven days a = week.

I also=20 remember using an Effectron 1024 (a massive 1.024 seconds of = sampling=20
time) made by Delta Labs at the
o! ld Art Centre theatre = in Santa=20 Cruz.

I made a vocal loop with it and then increased the = speed so=20 much that it
was like a percussion loop,=20 completely
unintelligible for it's = speed.......................and=20 used it as the basis
for an improvisation with Tao=20 Electrical,
the group I had with Not Michael (Michael = Haumesser) and=20 Jim Rutledge that
was a side project for our more
popular = new=20 wave band at the time, Tao Chemical.

At the end of the = piece I=20 slowed the Effectron speed down until right at the
last = second=20 (literally) you could understand
that the loop said, "It = doesn't mean=20 a fucking thing," and then turned it
off, ending the=20 piece.

LOL, that sentence came from an anecdote I heard = about=20 where Baba Ram Dass
had climbed high into the Himalya to = find
a=20 reclusive spiritual master who lived in a cave up on the = mountain. When=20
he got to the top of this arduous climb he asked = the
hermit,=20 "What's the meaning of life" , to! which the hermit replied, "It =
doesn't mean a fucking thing".=20 =



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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C605B4.A9471D20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 07:40:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A0E93BF52; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43A906CD.6080205@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:39:57 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: custom power supplies: feasibility References: <20051220184446.87B403BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051220185150.02868010@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051220185150.02868010@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:40:00 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > >> The internals of all gear I know needs AC, and if you feed it with DC, >> there are just a bunch of diodes and capacitors which put it down to >> the correct voltages it needs inside, most likely lower than what you >> put in. The advantage is also, you don't have to worry about correct >> polarity. >> >> If it wants AC of 18 V, its not very dangerous to give it less than >> that as DC and just see if its happy with it. > > > my worry is that all the power is now going through one half of the > rectifier > (any comments?) > andy butler The other half isn't used, an don't heat up. The rectifier is specified for the needed current and it will only drive as much as is needed. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 09:29:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59B1B3BF3B; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <07820A18-010D-4554-9FC1-970697016FE3@arcor.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re:gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:29:33 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:29:42 +0000 (UTC) from Jaco's biography: "As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital Delay, which I put through one amp" Doh!!!!!! I had remembered it, innacurately as an ADA when, of course, it was an MXR delay. I always have a problem remembering the names of those early digital delays (MXR, Delta Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.) They were all out of my price range and were state of the art in their day (and thus, fairly pricey by a beginning musicians' standards). I can see that unit clearly though. with it's big blue faceplate...............I think he was still using Acoustic amps, wasn't he? Someone posted a long time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack mount unit in Union Grove music about that time using it's piddly but exciting short loop time with a microphone. I was really into the music of the Ituri Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool technique where you sing a note into a short piece of closed off bamboo (or you can use a small old fashioned ink bottle, as well) and sing a falsetto note in between blowing on the bottles. -> Alright, Rick! I rember well lusting for the MXR as well after seeing WR and "demoing" the hell out of it at a music store - it must have had like three or four seconds of delay!? All I could afford was a Distortion+ though, and two days later a Boss CE-2 chorus and a Korg tape echo (not a bad sound!). Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 10:43:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFDF73BF46; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005501c6061a$cc9b8b60$0da3fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <07820A18-010D-4554-9FC1-970697016FE3@arcor.de> Subject: Re: Re:gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:39:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, talking about golden nostalgia here... does anybody remember the Deltalab DL-2 Acousticomputer? I haven´t found any more detailed info on the net than I know anyway (which isn´t much), so if somebody could enlighten me... eternal gratitude will ensue! Stephen ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Willers To: Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: Re:gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory > from Jaco's biography: > "As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital > Delay, which I put through one amp" > > > Doh!!!!!! I had remembered it, innacurately as an ADA when, of > course, it was an MXR delay. > I always have a problem remembering the names of those early digital > delays (MXR, Delta Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.) > They were all out of my price range and were state of the art in > their day (and thus, fairly > pricey by a beginning musicians' standards). > > I can see that unit clearly though. with it's big blue > faceplate...............I think he was still using Acoustic amps, > wasn't he? > > Someone posted a long time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack > mount unit in Union Grove music about that time > using it's piddly but exciting short loop time with a microphone. I > was really into the music of the Ituri > Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool technique where you > sing a note into a short piece of > closed off bamboo (or you can use a small old fashioned ink bottle, > as well) and sing a falsetto note > in between blowing on the bottles. > > > -> Alright, Rick! > I rember well lusting for the MXR as well after seeing WR and > "demoing" the hell out of it at a music store - it must have had like > three or four seconds of delay!? All I could afford was a Distortion+ > though, and two days later a Boss CE-2 chorus and a Korg tape echo > (not a bad sound!). > Andreas > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 10:58:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33E3B3BF49; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051220224103.47473.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051220224103.47473.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <80A21A25-1438-4312-A622-254149B36E90@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping in prehistory Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:58:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3oXvLB.A.PZC.FVTqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:58:14 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 20, 2005, at 23:41, Tim Nelson wrote: > During Joni [Mitchell's] road show, Jaco was > featured in a solo bass spot every night. Using the > repeat function of an MXR Digital Delay, he would lay > down an ostinato, loop it, and then play solo lines on > top of the repeating riff. I saw Whether Report back then and he did the same thing with them. But I have always thought he was using tape, because myself I was looping with a Roland Chorus Echo (Tape Delay with "Sound On Sound" switch) in the seventies and at the WR gig I couldn't get close enough to see what gear Jaco used. But that kind of "show man" looping wasn't my interest anyway at that time. I was just thinking he tried to act funny and pull a joke of people's admiration for his playing abilities ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 11:11:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AC123BF48; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a901c6061f$493990a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:11:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <2yP10C.A.xPD.qhTqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Here's a pic of that delay that Jaco used I remember the face plate really well. http://www.sonicflux.com/pics/mxr_ptx_dd1_c2.jpg and yes, Bill, he did send his bass flying across the stage on purpose. I believe we were standing next to each other, no? that's a fond memory. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 11:56:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 417ED3BF58; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:56:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAMLOqEOCFIU1AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051221103916.02858950@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:01:42 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: custom power supplies: feasibility In-Reply-To: <20051221092942.ACB2A3BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051221092942.ACB2A3BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:56:08 +0000 (UTC) At 09:29 21/12/05, you wrote: >The other half isn't used, an don't heat up. That's the point though, all the heating is in one half, the one that IS used. >The rectifier is specified for the needed current and it will only >drive as much as is needed. A rectifier is diodes, diodes don't "drive" current. Some of the diodes will be carrying twice the current that the designer of the circuit accounted for. Possibly the diodes are over specified. Possibly the fact you're using a lower voltage for the dc means that any voltage regulation circuitry after the diodes has to work less hard, and less current is drawn through the diodes. Possibly the rectifier diodes are all in one package, where thermal conductivity is good, so the heat is distributed anyway. Possibly someone else tries the same trick and fries their gear As your stuff didn't blow that's fine. :-) >Stefan andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 14:22:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17CE43BF41; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TxgXQYHpXyzynkmt8142MqAvP2YWg5BOPBWiKDQn4HRc5umWpiTRlEVHRLq1GR+PvGle2vf4A//51fFollPzQCG4utNMQ3HVYi5ZG4N0r4DI+rBB6YU5yQG6ScmR/4dj5s3EXMMYOA0ZNj/VmXJNz8kGu++fCUi2fzk134LYmFs= ; Message-ID: <20051221142243.98225.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:22:43 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00a901c6061f$493990a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1659036492-1135174963=:97875" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:22:45 +0000 (UTC) --0-1659036492-1135174963=:97875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit rack mount before 82...tools of the gods. what were some of the first"rack mount"units? it was all on the floor before the treaty with the greys... peace,danz "loop.pool" wrote: Here's a pic of that delay that Jaco used I remember the face plate really well. http://www.sonicflux.com/pics/mxr_ptx_dd1_c2.jpg and yes, Bill, he did send his bass flying across the stage on purpose. I believe we were standing next to each other, no? that's a fond memory. Rick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1659036492-1135174963=:97875 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
rack mount before 82...tools of the gods.
what were some of the first"rack mount"units?
it was all on the floor before the treaty with the greys...
peace,danz

"loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Here's a pic of that delay that Jaco used
I remember the face plate really well.

http://www.sonicflux.com/pics/mxr_ptx_dd1_c2.jpg


and yes, Bill, he did send his bass flying across the stage on purpose.
I believe we were standing next to each other, no?

that's a fond memory.

Rick


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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1659036492-1135174963=:97875-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 15:28:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76D0F3BF35; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <43A97668.9090604@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:36:08 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi, after seeing how you're trying to design the ideal footcontroller, I wanted to tell you that I'm collaborating with a tech who is building the prototype of what I need. It would be nice to check if we could see if what he's preparing would be interesting for you also; we're at the point we can add the things we need. During the next days I will try to translate the project he's working on. If any of you want to check it out, please mail me privately unless the list wants to keep this specific sub-subject going. I forgot to say that I decided to go this road because after checking all the tech data of the controllers you're talking about, I found none of those could be giving the 100% of what I need, so I asked to the tech how much would have costed to have one to find out he was about to build one, he accepted me to add to his project all the needs I had. The cost of this footcontroller will be lower ( 10%) of the All Access. my best, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 16:09:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F40623BF37; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43A97668.9090604@unguitar.com> References: <003f01c60534$e909ce10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43A83D34.90708@sun.com> <65076892-3551-4A82-B95C-671976609EA7@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A85E6F.1060303@sun.com> <4A4C56B2-9AE1-4E43-8220-529851CE7CAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A8642B.8090802@sun.com> <64A2162C-DD83-4AE0-8B8E-EB7907C2D08F@midway.uchicago.edu> <43A97668.9090604@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3239C03E-1534-4BEE-A44E-BE4770ADFC73@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: luca dreamtoy Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:08:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:09:13 +0000 (UTC) i'd love to more about this protoype, i would think we all do (no?). Unless you want to keep it like a secret, in that case please send me some info offlist when you gather it. -b On Dec 21, 2005, at 10:36 AM, Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi, > after seeing how you're trying to design the ideal footcontroller, > I wanted to tell you that I'm collaborating with a tech who is > building the prototype of what I need. > It would be nice to check if we could see if what he's preparing > would be interesting for you also; we're at the point we can add > the things we need. > During the next days I will try to translate the project he's > working on. > If any of you want to check it out, please mail me privately unless > the list wants to keep this specific sub-subject going. > I forgot to say that I decided to go this road because after > checking all the tech data of the controllers you're talking about, > I found none of those could be giving the 100% of what I need, so I > asked to the tech how much would have costed to have one to find > out he was about to build one, he accepted me to add to his project > all the needs I had. The cost of this footcontroller will be lower > ( 10%) of the All Access. > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 16:25:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A0703BF57; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4WzIVamy847iKz4Vn4XLyW/L8x4oXZ5YGQwfUgGMdpnkK+1WxeZWzRFGLQnbMgYhJdYWV9jIBkchXmjtqln/FlQP135THtdYTs7yn4SuK2PGiiONnCZncghHOdcZoZXarMCY9XVWTKlintDNjocrVHMw3uZSlwDpKxZ0yGYrFkc= ; Message-ID: <20051221162528.72811.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:25:28 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43A97668.9090604@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:25:32 +0000 (UTC) sounds very good Luca can you tell us what kind of features it will it have? my dream come true would be to see the PMC10 back built with better quality components! cheers Luis --- Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi, > after seeing how you're trying to design the ideal > footcontroller, I > wanted to tell you that I'm collaborating with a > tech who is building > the prototype of what I need. > It would be nice to check if we could see if what > he's preparing would > be interesting for you also; we're at the point we > can add the things we > need. > During the next days I will try to translate the > project he's working on. > If any of you want to check it out, please mail me > privately unless the > list wants to keep this specific sub-subject going. > I forgot to say that I decided to go this road > because after checking > all the tech data of the controllers you're talking > about, I found none > of those could be giving the 100% of what I need, so > I asked to the tech > how much would have costed to have one to find out > he was about to build > one, he accepted me to add to his project all the > needs I had. The cost > of this footcontroller will be lower ( 10%) of the > All Access. > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 16:29:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69C043BF60; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:29:32 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: luca dreamtoy In-reply-to: <3239C03E-1534-4BEE-A44E-BE4770ADFC73@the0verclock.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000801c6064b$b92e7020$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:29:09 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Cass [mailto:b@the0verclock.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:09 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: luca dreamtoy > > > i'd love to more about this protoype, i would think we all do (no?). absolutely From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 16:49:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1C493BF62; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,280,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="144812201:sNHT24775224" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20051221084840.011308e0@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:49:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-Reply-To: <20051221162528.72811.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <43A97668.9090604@unguitar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:49:28 +0000 (UTC) With about 5 more switches... At 2005.12.21 08:25 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: >sounds very good Luca can you tell us what kind of >features it will it have? my dream come true would be >to see the PMC10 back built with better quality >components! >cheers >Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 17:14:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64C723BF56; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:53:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access From: Craig Mitchell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051221084840.011308e0@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:14:08 +0000 (UTC) THe ultimate EDP controller would have an LCD read out on the foot controller itself that somehow syncs to the EDP LCD so one does not need to turn around to keep an eye on the EDP(s) in the rack (for those of use with refridgerator size rack systems) Craig on 12/21/05 11:49 AM, Sean Echevarria at sean.loop@creepingfog.com wrote: > With about 5 more switches... > > At 2005.12.21 08:25 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: >> sounds very good Luca can you tell us what kind of >> features it will it have? my dream come true would be >> to see the PMC10 back built with better quality >> components! >> cheers >> Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 17:25:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5716C3BF5D; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <43A991D4.1000402@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:33:08 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8tq-WB.A.-RE.0_YqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi Craig, the lcd of a foot controller like the one I am thinking about will be used to give an easy visual reference regarding the current preset name and some other controlling functions. It would be really difficult to make it talk with the edp like you are asking and I'm not sure I'd want it to. I prefer to have all the control nuances that I need, plus an easy and ergonomic way to organize buttons plus an easy way to program it. The tech is receiving all the mails conceirning nice ideas from now on, I will collect them for him. If there's someone who wants to ask specific questions, please let me know. My best, luca Craig Mitchell wrote: >THe ultimate EDP controller would have an LCD read out on the foot >controller itself that somehow syncs to the EDP LCD so one does not need to >turn around to keep an eye on the EDP(s) in the rack > >(for those of use with refridgerator size rack systems) > >Craig > > > >on 12/21/05 11:49 AM, Sean Echevarria at sean.loop@creepingfog.com wrote: > > > >>With about 5 more switches... >> >>At 2005.12.21 08:25 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: >> >> >>>sounds very good Luca can you tell us what kind of >>>features it will it have? my dream come true would be >>>to see the PMC10 back built with better quality >>>components! >>>cheers >>>Luis >>> >>> > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 17:31:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 073BB3BF67; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <43A99354.3040101@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:39:32 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access References: <43A97668.9090604@unguitar.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20051221084840.011308e0@mail02.powweb.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051221084840.011308e0@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Ok, The bare project comprehends: Lcd display + led Midi in/out Usb port + editor 18 buttons in 3 rows ac power (switching) p/c + c/c + note on/off indipendent per each button on/off or sustain type per each button 5 continous control input jacks (selectable as dependent or indipendent from preset ) 2 leds per each button my best, luca Sean Echevarria wrote: > With about 5 more switches... > > At 2005.12.21 08:25 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > >> sounds very good Luca can you tell us what kind of >> features it will it have? my dream come true would be >> to see the PMC10 back built with better quality >> components! >> cheers >> Luis > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 17:34:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40A693BF71; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=piNW8S+O4lcMbiLMMqshUFy3aIZYjXMEMXak3hRJcbiKjDU81+awFqhNzIE8vMi4xt6YZu/bC9sgnfOmjaDz5EDtkUCJ/kDRO1XjLIWnGDXM/Gg9jCoP5cdxYJ8y8QWnPWVjNlSeKEvXtlCmxKpiXqSJcifPoxD/UgFqX/xMlcs= ; Message-ID: <20051221173441.37126.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:34:41 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00fc01c605a8$a4bf4180$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:34:42 +0000 (UTC) man you guys were so lucky to have seen all those people,its incredible how influencial they were and still are i was too young in those times to see them,when i listen to syd barret it still blows my mind what he was doing!although i grew up with eighties music once i discover the guitar i landed listening to all of those cats and after that i couldn´t listen to eighites music anymore in fact i hated it and thought it was all plastic pop rubbish... but lately i got a bit nostalgic seeing videos from gary neuman "cars" (whose voice remainds me of syd) thomas dolby and "let the good times roll" by the cars,stray cats and thought well shit there were a couple of cool cats back then as well;-) cheers luis > incredible line up > how long were the loops jaco was riding? > [WS: ] they were only a couple of seconds long. > were you at friday night in sanfrancisco...bro? > [WS: ] Funny you should ask. actually, I *was* > there. great show. were > *you* there? > that town has had some magic musical moments in > time... > did floyd do "the wall"on that tour?or was that LA & > new york > some good ole days for sure > > [WS: ] The only time I ever saw Floyd was pre-Wall; > I was fortunate to also > be at an equally incredible concert location - the > State University of NY at > Stony Brook, 1968-71 (well, I guess the greater NY > area gets credit, since > we frequently ventured into Manhattan for some other > great show). Pink Floyd > gave an incredible show, but also there were *so* > many other highlights: the > Allmans with Duane, Alvin Lee from 10 Years After > leaving the stage soaked > in sweat and tears of joy, Moby Grape nearly having > a fistfight on stage (on > the same bill with Procol Harum), the Jefferson > Airplane at their peak > (right before the Airplane dissolved into the > Starship), the Who (with Moon) > playing Tommy start to finish, Joe Cocker twice - > with the Grease Band and > the travelling circus known as Mad Dogs and > Englishmen (both great), and my > personal favorite of the entire period, Jorma > Kaukonen and Jack Cassady > playing acoustic (well, not Cassady) for 4 hours > straight. I think most of > these concerts were probably about $10 each for > students. Unfortunately, I > was there a year too late to see Hendrix (but I'd > seen him the year before > at what is now the tennis stadium in Flushing Meadow > Park, with Janis > opening - or vice versa. Same summer as the Doors > and the Who on one bill). > I also saw Zep with Bonham elsewhere in that park. I > even saw Pentangle, one > of my favorite and rarely-exposed groups, at > Carnegie Hall in 71. I also saw > Miles, playing with most of the "Bitches Brew" band, > opening(!!!) for Neil > Young solo at Carnegie (or was it Fillmore East?), a > great concert all > around. Whew! > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 17:43:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C0C13BF54; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cz21bluYgGvU85JHITzLkxsrgSaAMplv9KNseHKsDJeHrkH6/fF3Zg0F6qmIOiidpvbzK+o25kkeR6L2sFV09dIEftEpcBFapuWGkytbrqjnt4tRFWy4kNddWzjY2Ew41AVeAbNzpxW8LxZAHnL+8z6jBvWZbg+ClpMgnNLQ59A= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:43:12 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-Reply-To: <43A99354.3040101@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43A97668.9090604@unguitar.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20051221084840.011308e0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A99354.3040101@unguitar.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Acoustically silent switches! No wider than 19"! Visually unobtrusive! TravisH On 12/21/05, Luca Formentini wrote: > Ok, > The bare project comprehends: > Lcd display + led > Midi in/out > Usb port + editor > 18 buttons in 3 rows > ac power (switching) > p/c + c/c + note on/off indipendent per each button > on/off or sustain type per each button > 5 continous control input jacks (selectable as dependent or indipendent > from preset ) > 2 leds per each button > > my best, > luca > > > > > Sean Echevarria wrote: > > > With about 5 more switches... > > > > At 2005.12.21 08:25 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > >> sounds very good Luca can you tell us what kind of > >> features it will it have? my dream come true would be > >> to see the PMC10 back built with better quality > >> components! > >> cheers > >> Luis > > > > > > > > . > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 18:02:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C33443BF20; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UnNb13zUxahB0tNZh3qkydfUtJzzQU4IXpI6w9WOUVREB5q8+7MyqQ840tLr6/BHXfAwmfJOpulP1sTCyn2DTpTLp3J7GaxDgVIi/N5/71Gme5E3QtddjwPWHRu66su/H8UUQAlhKkfl604sf/aOLDlX3//B3nZWlGRZ87l3YOU= ; Message-ID: <20051221175932.50753.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:59:31 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43A99354.3040101@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0g7rdD.A.9lF.AjZqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Luca but one more,how many midi channels can it control simultaneously? --- Luca Formentini wrote: > Ok, > The bare project comprehends: > Lcd display + led > Midi in/out > Usb port + editor > 18 buttons in 3 rows > ac power (switching) > p/c + c/c + note on/off indipendent per each button > on/off or sustain type per each button > 5 continous control input jacks (selectable as > dependent or indipendent > from preset ) > 2 leds per each button > > my best, > luca > > > > > Sean Echevarria wrote: > > > With about 5 more switches... > > > > At 2005.12.21 08:25 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > >> sounds very good Luca can you tell us what kind > of > >> features it will it have? my dream come true > would be > >> to see the PMC10 back built with better quality > >> components! > >> cheers > >> Luis > > > > > > > > . > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 18:03:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8332F3BF5D; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0CU0LGt8my2ZmnJKraqbm1vNRaRPcTNGN3r59/UZhiPzaj5BcM02lOCxMPysoWVM3+RTBXzN6B4wIpLI0bHDcRqmtqBmshqndHJsuxSFruHCa1FmhtUjJxy2jOXhYp3CQ452/pEWNWchjtGlDLY41eFP8Ks01mi9DhTX2yYTrM0= ; Message-ID: <20051221180314.59308.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:03:14 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:03:35 +0000 (UTC) but the Axess FX1 doesnt send note on/off,how is it supposed to work with the EDP? for that kind of price it should! The Axess FX1 and Skrydstrup SC1 are the best > controllers > > available. Those are the only two MIDI controllers > I'd consider. As > > for cost, you get what you pay for. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 18:23:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56DAE3BF0C; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051221173441.37126.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051221173441.37126.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <87857F4E-9C13-415A-BB52-C3BBE8CAFAE6@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:23:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:23:14 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 21, 2005, at 18:34, Luis Angulo wrote: > couldn=B4t listen to eighites music anymore in fact i > hated it and thought it was all plastic pop rubbish... Agreed. I suffered, musically, during the eighties ;-) > gary neuman "cars" (whose voice remainds me of syd) > thomas dolby and "let the good times roll" by the > cars,stray cats right on! IMHO the Cabaret Voltaire as well kept the vibe going =20 through The Dark Decade ;-) By the late eighties I finally =20 discovered that most record store had moved loads of good stuff into =20 new shelves labeled "world", and that was one reason why I had =20 suffered from not finding much interesting music in those days. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 18:31:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52BC33BF29; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:31:20 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-reply-to: <43A99354.3040101@unguitar.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A99F78.1090301@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <43A97668.9090604@unguitar.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20051221084840.011308e0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A99354.3040101@unguitar.com> Resent-Message-ID: <14QP2D.A.DSG.B-ZqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Luca Formentini wrote: > Ok, > The bare project comprehends: > Lcd display + led > Midi in/out > Usb port + editor > 18 buttons in 3 rows - Button assignments must be saved in the preset. - A pair of up/down buttons used to scroll through the presets OR, a way to configure the top row of 6 as preset select buttons, and the bottom two rows as CC/note/program buttons Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 18:36:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C3CE3BF18; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <7594655.1135190205846.JavaMail.root@web21> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:36:45 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping Cc: Luis Angulo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <99TthB.A.ncG.DDaqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:36:51 +0000 (UTC) I once saw the Quicksilver Messenger Service perform in a lecture hall at t= he University of Pittsburgh. That was in their serious jamming days. I sat = about two 'desks' back from the band and they were HOT! Also saw Genesis (w/Gabriel) a LONG time ago in a venue that doubled as an = ice skating rink! Towards the end of the concert, the ice 'covering' was s= oaked through.=20 Or, who can forget the double bill of the Iron Butterfly/Canned Heat where = the concert was temporarily halted by the police because the word 'fuck' w= as used onstage? The head guru and maharishi of Lawrenceville ---- Luis Angulo wrote:=20 > man you guys were so lucky to have seen all those > people,its incredible how influencial they were and > still are i was too young in those times to see > them,when i listen to syd barret it still blows my > mind what he was doing!although i grew up with > eighties music once i discover the guitar i landed > listening to all of those cats and after that i > couldn=C2=B4t listen to eighites music anymore in fact i > hated it and thought it was all plastic pop rubbish... > but lately i got a bit nostalgic seeing videos from > gary neuman "cars" (whose voice remainds me of syd) > thomas dolby and "let the good times roll" by the > cars,stray cats and thought well shit there were a > couple of cool cats back then as well;-) > cheers > luis >=20 >=20 > > incredible line up > > how long were the loops jaco was riding? > > [WS: ] they were only a couple of seconds long. =20 > > were you at friday night in sanfrancisco...bro? > > [WS: ] Funny you should ask. actually, I *was* > > there. great show. were > > *you* there?=20 > > that town has had some magic musical moments in > > time... > > did floyd do "the wall"on that tour?or was that LA & > > new york > > some good ole days for sure > >=20 > > [WS: ] The only time I ever saw Floyd was pre-Wall; > > I was fortunate to also > > be at an equally incredible concert location - the > > State University of NY at > > Stony Brook, 1968-71 (well, I guess the greater NY > > area gets credit, since > > we frequently ventured into Manhattan for some other > > great show). Pink Floyd > > gave an incredible show, but also there were *so* > > many other highlights: the > > Allmans with Duane, Alvin Lee from 10 Years After > > leaving the stage soaked > > in sweat and tears of joy, Moby Grape nearly having > > a fistfight on stage (on > > the same bill with Procol Harum), the Jefferson > > Airplane at their peak > > (right before the Airplane dissolved into the > > Starship), the Who (with Moon) > > playing Tommy start to finish, Joe Cocker twice - > > with the Grease Band and > > the travelling circus known as Mad Dogs and > > Englishmen (both great), and my > > personal favorite of the entire period, Jorma > > Kaukonen and Jack Cassady > > playing acoustic (well, not Cassady) for 4 hours > > straight. I think most of > > these concerts were probably about $10 each for > > students. Unfortunately, I > > was there a year too late to see Hendrix (but I'd > > seen him the year before > > at what is now the tennis stadium in Flushing Meadow > > Park, with Janis > > opening - or vice versa. Same summer as the Doors > > and the Who on one bill). > > I also saw Zep with Bonham elsewhere in that park. I > > even saw Pentangle, one > > of my favorite and rarely-exposed groups, at > > Carnegie Hall in 71. I also saw > > Miles, playing with most of the "Bitches Brew" band, > > opening(!!!) for Neil > > Young solo at Carnegie (or was it Fillmore East?), a > > great concert all > > around. Whew! > > =20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > www.luis-angulo.com >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 18:38:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47A5B3BF37; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:38:42 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-reply-to: <20051221180314.59308.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43A9A132.8090906@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051221180314.59308.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4Cai6C.A.PkG.zEaqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Luis Angulo wrote: > but the Axess FX1 doesnt send note on/off,how is it > supposed to work with the EDP? for that kind of price > it should! The 12 switches can send momentary control change messages (127 down and 0 up) which the EDP can use instead of note on/off. But there are only 12 and they never change. There are 45 EDP functions that can called with MIDI so you cannot fully control an EDP with the "instant access" switches on the FX1. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 19:23:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55ABA3BF00; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:23:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: GypsiMIDI Controller... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:23:29 +0000 (UTC) http://www.sonalog.com/ Interesting gesture-based MIDI controller (their site has several Quicktime video demos). I especially like the vocal loop capture demonstration in the "Mocap Rap" video. This might work especially well for putting a little visual interest back into those "tablecore" laptop shows. Damn thing is bloody expensive, though... --m. -- _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 19:34:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAEFC3BEF9; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:34:25 -0600 To: From: mech Subject: Re: Line 6 Dl4 mod Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:34:34 +0000 (UTC) At 9:03 PM -0800 12/20/05, William Walker wrote: >Hey, I just got my DL4 back from Keeley electronics. I had them do >the modification I might have mentioned a few weeks back. My little >Christmas present to myself. I'm happy to report that these almost >49 year old ears can hear the difference. Its cleaner sounding with >no volume drop when using it as a delay, and it seems to be missing >some annoying high frequency back ground noise and RF. And it now >sports the ultra cool blue LEDs!! check it out at >www.robertkeeley.com By coincidence, last night the local mailperson dropped off one of the custom Keeley-modded Blues Driver pedals. I've only just started playing around with it, but it sounds pretty sweet so far. The guy does good work, I'll definitely give him that!!! --m. -- _______ "The revolution may be someone somewhere else..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 19:53:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BB323BEEC; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAEA/qUOCFIU1AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051220165512.02858db0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:52:51 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:sampling frequency In-Reply-To: <20051220163803.C8C833BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051220163803.C8C833BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <22QGdB.A.ul.pKbqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:53:13 +0000 (UTC) >Although you might be correct for a frequency of f >when the sampling frequency is 2f, the theorem correctly stated says >that it will be good for frquencies UP TO f Hz, i.e. not including f. as its not an integer measurement then "up to" and "up to and including" mean the same in real terms > So while you're correct for one frequency, f, the theorem holds > 100% true for all frequencies below f and no information is lost. Ok, let's take it through slowly, sample a 22kHz signal at 44.1kHz the result is identical to sampling a 22.05kHz tone which is amplitude modulated at 500Hz agree? (if no, then try working it out on paper) and there are other signals (with FM and AM) which would produce the same result when sampled so how can we be sure and re-create 22kHz? We can't, that's a classic case of loss of information. > The mathematics bear out. The mathematics is based on an assumption zero information loss in a fourier transform, where the signal is periodically repeating at a known frequency, and the sampling frequency is picked to be a whole multiple of that periodic frequency. ...but audio is non-periodic and of unknown frequency. so the maths doesn't bear out your claim. i.e. information loss increases as you approach the Nyquist frequency. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 21:27:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 640553BED9; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,280,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="187157513:sNHT28838220" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20051221130811.01144398@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:23:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access In-Reply-To: <43A99354.3040101@unguitar.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051221084840.011308e0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A97668.9090604@unguitar.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20051221084840.011308e0@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:27:53 +0000 (UTC) At 2005.12.21 09:39 AM, Luca Formentini wrote: >Ok, >The bare project comprehends: Of course you must have expected this listing to draw more questions ;) >Lcd display + led How many characters in the LCD display? >Midi in/out >Usb port + editor >18 buttons in 3 rows 15 programmable switches + 3 navigation switches or a different configuration? >ac power (switching) >p/c + c/c + note on/off indipendent per each button more than one of each type for each button? >on/off or sustain type per each button >5 continous control input jacks (selectable as dependent or indipendent >from preset ) >2 leds per each button What are the two LEDs for? Can you describe the bank/preset quantities and configuration? For example, how many presets in a bank? How many banks and presets in total are there? Are there even banks? In other words, does a preset consist of the programming for a single switch or for all of the programmable switches? If there are banks, do the presets exist independently of the banks (preset independence means that if a preset is used by multiple banks, then the preset only needs to be modified once for the change to be available in all banks that use the preset)? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 21:29:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C01C23BEDD; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JKH5NO7523YLNxpvnwLy3UQEAep0bYcE4LTh7vNIbiZ8XfEtbukxC6OHQreuHN8A5y5xRJuCB0QOKYJHoLHNO7hZpM7TIlKa8SQhO4TPMCe63JLcIewVMjJ1nflLBDF5enfjughQNPC5WCSWvXR6RtrSohv5T3hHKvE3Xl5hqdk= Message-ID: <44687f490512211329r5b6c00a2m1c6ac6e70e72b685@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:29:39 -0500 From: Tom Combs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sampling frequency In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051220165512.02858db0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32421_29992781.1135200579721" References: <20051220163803.C8C833BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051220165512.02858db0@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:29:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_32421_29992781.1135200579721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > sample a 22kHz signal at 44.1kHz > the result is identical to sampling a 22.05kHz tone > which is amplitude modulated at 500Hz > agree? (if no, then try working it out on paper) Unless my math is wrong, I don't agree. A 22khz tone sampled at 44.1khzproduces a signal containing the fundamental (22k) plus additional components at 22.1k, 66.1k, 66.2k, 110.2k, 110.3k, 154.3k, ad infinitum. D= o you agree? I may be misinterpreting "the result is identical to sampling a 22.05kHz tone which is amplitude modulated at 500Hz". I'm assuming you're first modulating a 22.05k tone at 500hz, producing the original 22.05k tone plus sidebands at 22.55k and 21.55k. Sample that signal and you don't get the same result as the 22k tone sampled at 44.1k. Which is wrong? My math, my interpretation, or both? The ideal Nyquist sampling theorem is based on the ideal Fourier transform = - ideal Fourier transforms are lossless aren't they? Granted it all falls apart when you try to put it into practice. On 12/21/05, a k butler wrote: > > > >Although you might be correct for a frequency of f > >when the sampling frequency is 2f, the theorem correctly stated says > >that it will be good for frquencies UP TO f Hz, i.e. not including f. > > as its not an integer measurement then > "up to" and "up to and including" mean the same in real terms > > > So while you're correct for one frequency, f, the theorem holds > > 100% true for all frequencies below f and no information is lost. > > Ok, let's take it through slowly, > > sample a 22kHz signal at 44.1kHz > > the result is identical to sampling a 22.05kHz tone > which is amplitude modulated at 500Hz > > agree? (if no, then try working it out on paper) > > and there are other signals (with FM and AM) which would produce the > same result > when sampled > > so how can we be sure and re-create 22kHz? > > We can't, that's a classic case of loss of information. > > > The mathematics bear out. > > The mathematics is based on an assumption zero information loss in a > fourier transform, > where the signal is periodically repeating at a known frequency, and > the sampling > frequency is picked to be a whole multiple of that periodic frequency. > > ...but audio is non-periodic and of unknown frequency. > > so the maths doesn't bear out your claim. > > > i.e. information loss increases as you approach the Nyquist frequency. > > andy butler > > ------=_Part_32421_29992781.1135200579721 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

> sample a 22kHz signal at 44.1kHz

> the result is identi= cal to sampling a 22.05kHz tone
> which is amplitude modulated &= nbsp;at 500Hz

> agree? (if no, then try working it out on paper)<= br> 
Unless my math is wrong, I don't agree.  A 22khz tone sampled at = 44.1khz produces a signal containing the fundamental (22k) plus additional = components at 22.1k, 66.1k, 66.2k, 110.2k, 110.3k, 154.3k, ad infinitum.&nb= sp; Do you agree?  I may be misinterpreting "the result is identi= cal to sampling a=20 22.05kHz tone
which is amplitude modulated  at 500Hz".&nb= sp; I'm assuming you're first modulating a 22.05k tone at 500hz, producing = the original 22.05k tone plus sidebands at 22.55k and 21.55k.  Sample = that signal and you don't get the same result as the 22k tone sampled at=20 44.1k.
 
Which is wrong? My math, my interpretation, or both?
 
 
The ideal Nyquist sampling theorem is based on the ideal Fourier trans= form - ideal Fourier transforms are lossless aren't they?  Granted it = all falls apart when you try to put it into practice.
 


 
On 12/21/05, a k butler <akbutler@tisc= ali.co.uk> wrote:

>Although you might be co= rrect for a frequency of f
>when the sampling frequency is 2f, the th= eorem correctly stated says
>that it will be good for frquencies UP TO f Hz, i.e. not including = f.

as its not an integer measurement then
"up to" and &= quot;up to and including" mean the same in real terms

> = ; So while you're correct for one frequency, f, the theorem holds
> 100% true for all frequencies below f and no information is lost.<= br>
Ok, let's take it through slowly,

sample a 22kHz signal at 44= .1kHz

the result is identical to sampling a 22.05kHz tone
which i= s amplitude modulated  at 500Hz

agree? (if no, then try working it out on paper)

and there a= re other signals (with FM and AM) which would produce the
same resultwhen sampled

so how can we be sure and re-create 22kHz?

We can't, that's a classic case of loss of information.

> &n= bsp;The mathematics bear out.

The mathematics is based on an assumpt= ion zero information loss in a
fourier transform,
where the signal is= periodically repeating at a known frequency, and
the sampling
frequency is picked to be a whole multiple of that peri= odic frequency.

...but audio is non-periodic and of unknown frequenc= y.

so the maths doesn't bear out your claim.


i.e. informa= tion loss increases as you approach the Nyquist frequency.

andy butler


------=_Part_32421_29992781.1135200579721-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 22:13:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B60C33BED8; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ee01c6067b$ca373e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:13:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:13:41 +0000 (UTC) danz wrote: "rack mount before 82...tools of the gods. what were some of the first"rack mount"units? it was all on the floor before the treaty with the greys..." Funny you mention that. I remember looking at that 1st rack mounted gear and thinking "Wow, they are taking up so much space to do the same thing that footpedals can do" Still, in a wierd fetishistic kind of way, I thought that big blue MXR digital delay was sexy as all git out. It looked like the future and I , for one, wanted to be part of that future. If, sitting in Union Grove, in 1982, I had ever dreamed of the kind of gear I would now own and even take for granted; the incredibly sophisticated musical options that I would have at my immediate disposal I wouldn't have believed it. Hell, I made an entire song (the whole friggin' band which to any kid with Garage Band, ACid or Reason is a no brainer) with a computer.............put it on the internet and was invited to perform it in Japan 30 minutes later..................that's miraculous. It's a good time to be alive as a musician (even if it's harder and harder to find places to play). Watching Jaco loop those harmonics in an ostinato pattern it makes me think how jazzed he would be today, owning an EDP, a Looperlative, a Repeater, a laptop with Augustus Loop or Moebius or Ableton's Live. What he would do with it all. It's humbling, isn't it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 22:24:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A58BA3BEE7; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20051219024141.06C923BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051219112651.02856eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <43A7B881.6060709@soundscapes.us> <0EF1BA3B-555B-43C2-A979-3166CB4F5064@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-130372715 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: sample rate Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:24:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.101 (HTML_MESSAGE) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:24:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-130372715 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Brian Cass wrote: > oh man. i tried so hard not to get sucked into this debate. but > here i am. well u did:-) > > the connect the dot explanation does help to explain how it's done, > but the reason that does not quite work is just that the Max and > Min points of the source are very unlikely to be the 2 points > sampled. You have the same chance of sampling at the zero > crossings. most likely the 2 samples per cycle are going to hit > during it's ascending and descending, and get no information about > max or min. completely correct. ur actually on my side. what i described was an ideal situation. so ur comment just proves MORE how "all the information of the original signal" was NOT true. > > Can a 44.1k sampling rate accurately PRODUCE a 20k wave? > Sure. The details of that wave are mostly lost, but it's frequency > and amplitude are approximated pretty well. i would say that for practical purposes, the details are lost. > > Can a 44.1k sampling rate accurately RECORD a 20k wave? > Not as easily. The waveshape is sure to be lost and the amplitude > is subject to mis-representation. i agree > > Do kids today care? Do they know what they are missing? > Probably not. I am 28 and had a record player growing up. I love > the sound of 2 inch tape. subliminally i believe that they do. they wont know WHY they prefer one recording to another, all other things being equal, but they can pick out a professional recording over an ameteur one. its like Film and Video. video is actually cleaner and more true to form BUT, film just looks like cinema. when confronted with an A/B test most would say they prefer the good quality of digital broadcast video over the 35mm film. so why do the "behind the scenes" shots never look, to these SAME people, like the real film edits of the same scene? i did this experiment myself. its so subjective it isnt funny. u take a real good, say, quincy jones production of say Michael J and transfer it to cassette. take ur best home recording to CD 44.1. the cassette will STILL sound better. even after a couple generations degration. most will still recognize the intrinsic quality of the QJ production. why? well its back to the subliminal. a recording originally done at 192k/24bit is like using a tube neumann with neve preamps in a good isolation booth. its the source of the recording that lasts through the subsequent mediums. even if u take a 70mm film project and bump it down to a cheap video format, itll still look better than one recorded originally on a professional video format bumped UP to film. so to cut this short, the better the source, the better the final bump down to CD 44.1k > I love the new DSD technology. I hate mp3s. I am (we are) the > minority on audio quality preference. DSD has the potential to take > over the recording industry in the next 5 years. If so PCM will be > like our old friend the VHS. Unless handheld mini disc recorders > take over first, then we are all doomed. > > Did I get this question/answer format from watching seinfeld last > night? > Yes. Yes I did. hahaha. > > - b > > > > On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:52 PM, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > >> this is where SOME info is worse than NO info. >> dude think about it. >> u have a wave at 1/2 the sample frequency. think about it like >> connect-the-dots. >> the only ones u can plot are the max(positive) and min(negative) >> points of the wave. NOW connect the dots and what do u have. thats >> right a sawtooth wave. even if the original was a sine. >> but at least u have the frequency. forget about phase what about >> shape or tone? >> even if u sampled at a frequency high enough to give u three or >> even 4 points to connect, its STILL approximate, very far from the >> shape of the original and certainly not "all the information of >> the original signal". >> ___ >> Adrian Bartholomew >> 8439 Lee Blvd >> Leawood, KS 66206 >> (913) 660-6918 >> >> >> On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:53 AM, Bill Fox wrote: >> >>> a k butler wrote: >>> >>>>> Bell Labs researcher Harry Nyquist develops Sampling Theory. It >>>>> states provides that if a signal is sampled at twice its >>>>> nominal highest frequency, the samples will contain all of the >>>>> information in the original signal. >>>> >>>> Which is clearly not true :-) >>>> There's no way to keep the phase information for a signal sampled >>>> at only twice it's frequency. >>>> Only the amplitude. >>>> ... >>>> I guess that the Nyquist Theorum is misquoted somewhat here >>>> (and generally). >>> >>> Although you might be correct for a frequency of f when the >>> sampling frequency is 2f, the theorem correctly stated says that >>> it will be good for frquencies UP TO f Hz, i.e. not including f. >>> So while you're correct for one frequency, f, the theorem holds >>> 100% true for all frequencies below f and no information is >>> lost. The mathematics bear out. For shorthand, the bandwidth of >>> a system is stated as f Hz, not (f - 1) Hz. >>> >>> BTW, I dare anyone to tell me they can HEAR that 20kHz has a >>> wrong phase relationship in a system sampled at 40kHz. Plus, in >>> the real world, where there are no ideal filters, a guard band is >>> built in. That's why an audio system that is designed to have a >>> 20kHz bandwidth uses a sampling frequency of 44.1kHz. This also >>> avoids the problem of 20kHz not having a proper phase >>> relationship since it is less than half the sampling frequency, >>> not exaclty half the sampling frequency. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Bill >>> >> > --Apple-Mail-4-130372715 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
___
Adrian=A0Bartholomew
8439 Lee Blvd
Leawood, KS = 66206
(913) 660-6918

 =

On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Brian Cass = wrote:

oh man. i tried so hard not to get sucked into this = debate. but here i am.

well u did:-)

the = connect the dot explanation does help to explain how it's done, but the = reason that does not quite work is just that the Max and Min points of = the source are very unlikely to be the 2 points sampled. You have the = same chance of sampling at the zero crossings. most likely the 2 samples = per cycle are going to hit during it's ascending and descending, and get = no information about max or min.=A0

completely correct. ur actually = on my side. what i described was an ideal situation. so ur comment just = proves MORE how=A0"all the information of the original signal" was NOT = true.

Can a 44.1k sampling rate = accurately PRODUCE a 20k wave?=A0
Sure. The details of that = wave are mostly lost, but it's frequency and amplitude are=A0approximated = pretty well.

i would say that for practical = purposes, the details are lost.

Can = a 44.1k sampling rate accurately RECORD a 20k wave?=A0
Not as = easily. The waveshape is sure to be lost and the amplitude is subject to = mis-representation.

i agree

Do = kids today care? Do they know what they are missing?
Probably = not.=A0I am 28 and had a record player growing up. I love the sound of 2 = inch tape.

subliminally i believe that = they do. they wont know WHY they prefer one recording to another, all = other things being equal, but they can pick out a professional recording = over an ameteur one. its like Film and Video. video is actually cleaner = and more true to form BUT, film just looks like cinema. when confronted = with an A/B test most would say they prefer the good quality of digital = broadcast video over the 35mm film. so why do the "behind the scenes" = shots never look, to these SAME people, like the real film edits of the = same scene?
i did this experiment myself.
its so = subjective it isnt funny.

u take a real good, say, = quincy jones production of say Michael J and transfer it to cassette. = take ur best home recording to CD 44.1. the cassette will STILL sound = better. even after a couple generations degration. most will still = recognize the intrinsic quality of the QJ = production.
why?
well its back to the = subliminal.
a recording originally done at 192k/24bit is like = using a tube neumann with neve preamps in a good isolation booth. its = the source of the recording that lasts through the subsequent = mediums.=A0

even if u take a 70mm film = project and bump it down to a cheap video format, itll still look better = than one recorded originally on a professional video format bumped UP to = film.

so to = cut this short, the better the source, the better the final bump down to = CD 44.1k

I love the new DSD = technology. I hate mp3s. I am (we are) the minority on audio quality = preference. DSD has the potential to take over the recording industry in = the next 5 years. If so PCM will be like our old friend the VHS. Unless = handheld mini disc recorders take over first, then we are all = doomed.

Did I = get this question/answer format from watching seinfeld last = night?
Yes. Yes I did.

hahaha.

- = b



On Dec 20, = 2005, at 1:52 PM, Adrian Bartholomew wrote:

this is = where SOME info is worse than NO info.
dude think about = it.
u have a wave at 1/2 the sample frequency. think about it = like connect-the-dots.
the only ones u can plot are the = max(positive) and min(negative) points of the wave. NOW connect the dots = and what do u have. thats right a sawtooth wave. even if the original = was a sine.
but at least u have the frequency. forget about = phase what about shape or tone?
even if u sampled at a = frequency high enough to give u three or even 4 points to connect, its = STILL approximate, very far from the shape of the original and certainly = not "all the information of the original signal".
___
Adrian=A0Bartholomew
8439 Lee Blvd
Leawood, KS = 66206
(913) 660-6918

 =

On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:53 AM, Bill Fox = wrote:

a k butler wrote:

Bell Labs = researcher Harry Nyquist develops Sampling Theory. It states provides = that if a signal is sampled at twice its nominal highest frequency, the = samples will contain all of the information in the original = signal.
Which is clearly not true = :-)
There's no way to keep the phase = information for a signal sampled
at only twice = it's frequency.
Only the amplitude.
...
I guess that = the Nyquist Theorum is misquoted somewhat here
(and generally).

Although = you might be correct for a frequency of f when the sampling frequency is = 2f, the theorem correctly stated says that it will be good for = frquencies UP TO f Hz, i.e. not including f.=A0 So while you're correct for = one frequency, f, the theorem holds 100% true for all frequencies below = f and no information is lost.=A0 = The mathematics bear out.=A0 = For shorthand, the bandwidth of a system is stated as f Hz, not = (f - 1) Hz.

BTW, I dare anyone to tell me they can HEAR that = 20kHz has a wrong phase relationship in a system sampled at 40kHz.=A0 Plus, in the real world, = where there are no ideal filters, a guard band is built in.=A0 That's why an audio system = that is designed to have a 20kHz bandwidth uses a sampling frequency of = 44.1kHz.=A0 This also = avoids the problem of 20kHz not having a proper phase relationship since = it is less than half the sampling frequency, not exaclty half the = sampling frequency.
Cheers,


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= --Apple-Mail-4-130372715-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 22:44:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE3133BEE4; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003101c60680$2b7471f0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00ee01c6067b$ca373e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:44:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:44:25 +0000 (UTC) > It's a good time to be alive as a musician (even if it's harder and harder > to find places to play). > > Watching Jaco loop those harmonics in an ostinato pattern it makes me > think how jazzed he would be today, > owning an EDP, a Looperlative, a Repeater, a laptop with Augustus Loop > or Moebius or Ableton's Live. > > What he would do with it all. It's humbling, isn't it? I've wondered the same thing about people like Janis and Jimi. But then look at some of the 'greats' who did survive and see what they are doing now. I look at Fripp or Eno and see where the technology took them, and then see Clapton, who is GREAT - no doubt, but is still playing the same thing... It is still a great great time to be a musician! Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 22:46:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EECA73BEDE; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAHJpqUOCFIU1AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051221223225.02858070@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:45:11 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #834 In-Reply-To: <20051221222448.E677A3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051221222448.E677A3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1qYZo.A.lJG.qsdqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:46:02 +0000 (UTC) At 22:24 21/12/05, you wrote: > > sample a 22kHz signal at 44.1kHz > > > the result is identical to sampling a 22.05kHz tone > > which is amplitude modulated at 500Hz > > > agree? (if no, then try working it out on paper) just draw the waveform, and put the sample points on ...easy then you'll see it sorry for being unclear, I didn't mean to do the arithmetic > >Unless my math is wrong, I don't agree. A 22khz tone sampled at >44.1khz produces a signal containing the fundamental (22k) plus >additional components at 22.1k, 66.1k, 66.2k, 110.2k, 110.3k, >154.3k, ad infinitum. Do you agree? no, for one thing this ignores aliasing. secondly, only 22.1k is within the limits imposed by the sampling frequency. thirdly, ;-) it's getting late here and I'm a bit tired to crunch the numbers, I will do later, but once you see the samples plotted the maths won't matter >I may be misinterpreting "the result is identical to sampling a 22.05kHz tone >which is amplitude modulated at 500Hz". I'm assuming you're first >modulating a 22.05k tone at 500hz, producing the original 22.05k >tone plus sidebands at 22.55k and 21.55k. Sample that signal and >you don't get the same result as the 22k tone sampled at 44.1k. > >Which is wrong? My math, my interpretation, or both? > > >The ideal Nyquist sampling theorem is based on the ideal Fourier >transform - ideal Fourier transforms are lossless aren't >they? Granted it all falls apart when you try to put it into practice. um, I already dealt with that. Ideal fourier presumes a periodic signal of known frequency. So it falls apart in theory, even before the practice andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 22:51:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46ECC3BEFC; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <9824949.1135205423305.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:50:23 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:51:41 +0000 (UTC) My G*D we have so much possiblity. I concur. I have a pile of pedals, a few synth capable guitars, a Boss RC-20XL and a computer loaded with Cubase. All of this technology and absolutely no time to use it. Between launching a new career in health care with fulltime school, working, paying a mortgage and still managing to be a reasonable husband/son/brother/friend, I have little time to utilize any of it. A crushing irony. I would've been gobsmacked if someone had told me about all of this in the 80's when I was a gigging , functional musician. Aside from my weekly gig mangling worship tunes in a church with weird noises, I have little time to create. Dangnations! Anyone else experiencing this along with option ansiety? Todd -----Original Message----- >From: Tony K >Sent: Dec 21, 2005 3:44 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory > > >> It's a good time to be alive as a musician (even if it's harder and harder >> to find places to play). >> >> Watching Jaco loop those harmonics in an ostinato pattern it makes me >> think how jazzed he would be today, >> owning an EDP, a Looperlative, a Repeater, a laptop with Augustus Loop >> or Moebius or Ableton's Live. >> >> What he would do with it all. It's humbling, isn't it? > >I've wondered the same thing about people like Janis and Jimi. But then >look at some of the 'greats' who did survive and see what they are doing >now. I look at Fripp or Eno and see where the technology took them, and >then see Clapton, who is GREAT - no doubt, but is still playing the same >thing... > >It is still a great great time to be a musician! > >Tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 23:12:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B76493BEEC; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Rocktron All Access Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:12:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <43A97668.9090604@unguitar.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Way Cool. I want one! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access Hi, after seeing how you're trying to design the ideal footcontroller, I wanted to tell you that I'm collaborating with a tech who is building the prototype of what I need. It would be nice to check if we could see if what he's preparing would be interesting for you also; we're at the point we can add the things we need. During the next days I will try to translate the project he's working on. If any of you want to check it out, please mail me privately unless the list wants to keep this specific sub-subject going. I forgot to say that I decided to go this road because after checking all the tech data of the controllers you're talking about, I found none of those could be giving the 100% of what I need, so I asked to the tech how much would have costed to have one to find out he was about to build one, he accepted me to add to his project all the needs I had. The cost of this footcontroller will be lower ( 10%) of the All Access. my best, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 23:18:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 621FC3BED8; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:18:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00a901c6061f$493990a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:18:46 +0000 (UTC) fond indeed. We got to see so much great music back then, I feel lucky. Like the first Mahavishnu Orchestra Tour, and some of the early ECM stuff like Eberhard Weber and Ralph Towner and John Abercrombie, those were mind altering experiences to say the least. Bill -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:11 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Here's a pic of that delay that Jaco used I remember the face plate really well. http://www.sonicflux.com/pics/mxr_ptx_dd1_c2.jpg and yes, Bill, he did send his bass flying across the stage on purpose. I believe we were standing next to each other, no? that's a fond memory. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 23:29:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 659C03BEC5; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Looping in prehistory Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:29:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <80A21A25-1438-4312-A622-254149B36E90@boysen.se> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:29:57 +0000 (UTC) I had an echoplex for a while, and one of those green mxr analog delays, sigh, if I only knew then what those things would be worth now. I know what you mean about Jaco, the poor guy was mad as a hatter in mho, though I guess that aspect is well documented. I get the feeling that audience response was like another drug to him, he couldn't get enough, but who knows what his motivation was at times. My god, he could play the funkiest shit with out ever once slapping or popping, in the traditional sense. He raised the bar. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping in prehistory On Dec 20, 2005, at 23:41, Tim Nelson wrote: > During Joni [Mitchell's] road show, Jaco was > featured in a solo bass spot every night. Using the > repeat function of an MXR Digital Delay, he would lay > down an ostinato, loop it, and then play solo lines on > top of the repeating riff. I saw Whether Report back then and he did the same thing with them. But I have always thought he was using tape, because myself I was looping with a Roland Chorus Echo (Tape Delay with "Sound On Sound" switch) in the seventies and at the WR gig I couldn't get close enough to see what gear Jaco used. But that kind of "show man" looping wasn't my interest anyway at that time. I was just thinking he tried to act funny and pull a joke of people's admiration for his playing abilities ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 23:41:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 440D83BED5; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:43:03 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: concert nostalgia and name-dropping In-reply-to: <20051221173441.37126.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008601c60688$4928d710$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:41:53 +0000 (UTC) It's true, in many ways we "vintage" folks (you know who you are) were musically lucky. I am always amazed at the persistence of 60's (by which I mean = more-or-less 66-71) rock in the culture - in supermarkets, on oldies stations, = whatever. I guess to a large extent that's a function of demographics (my g-g-g-generation is still the mongoose working it's way through the = snake's digestive system - take that metaphor in whatever way is most meaningful = and least disgusting to you), but I also think there was something unique = about the experimental nature of the music _and_ the media at that time (the = first days of FM rock radio were *so* much more expansive than anything you'll find outside of college stations today). But now - I might be mis-remembering (not so uncommon for me), but I = think I heard "Third Stone From The Sun" in a supermarket this year. Not a muzak version - the original. And I'm sure I've heard stuff like Yes, etc. And then, of course, you have early-70s Who songs completely dominating = TV themes and commercials today (I'm still waiting for someone to use "Odorono").=20 I don't think *any* of these artists dreamed that they'd still be = listened to 35-40 years later (or that the dessicated skins of the Rolling Stones would still be performing live). What a thing! Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping >=20 >=20 > man you guys were so lucky to have seen all those > people,its incredible how influencial they were and > still are i was too young in those times to see > them,when i listen to syd barret it still blows my > mind what he was doing!although i grew up with > eighties music once i discover the guitar i landed > listening to all of those cats and after that i > couldn=B4t listen to eighites music anymore in fact i > hated it and thought it was all plastic pop rubbish... > but lately i got a bit nostalgic seeing videos from > gary neuman "cars" (whose voice remainds me of syd) > thomas dolby and "let the good times roll" by the > cars,stray cats and thought well shit there were a > couple of cool cats back then as well;-) > cheers > luis >=20 >=20 > > incredible line up > > how long were the loops jaco was riding? > > [WS: ] they were only a couple of seconds long. > > were you at friday night in sanfrancisco...bro? > > [WS: ] Funny you should ask. actually, I *was* > > there. great show. were > > *you* there?=20 > > that town has had some magic musical moments in > > time... > > did floyd do "the wall"on that tour?or was that LA & > > new york > > some good ole days for sure > >=20 > > [WS: ] The only time I ever saw Floyd was pre-Wall; > > I was fortunate to also > > be at an equally incredible concert location - the > > State University of NY at > > Stony Brook, 1968-71 (well, I guess the greater NY > > area gets credit, since > > we frequently ventured into Manhattan for some other > > great show). Pink Floyd > > gave an incredible show, but also there were *so* > > many other highlights: the > > Allmans with Duane, Alvin Lee from 10 Years After > > leaving the stage soaked > > in sweat and tears of joy, Moby Grape nearly having > > a fistfight on stage (on > > the same bill with Procol Harum), the Jefferson > > Airplane at their peak > > (right before the Airplane dissolved into the > > Starship), the Who (with Moon) > > playing Tommy start to finish, Joe Cocker twice - > > with the Grease Band and > > the travelling circus known as Mad Dogs and > > Englishmen (both great), and my > > personal favorite of the entire period, Jorma > > Kaukonen and Jack Cassady > > playing acoustic (well, not Cassady) for 4 hours > > straight. I think most of > > these concerts were probably about $10 each for > > students. Unfortunately, I > > was there a year too late to see Hendrix (but I'd > > seen him the year before > > at what is now the tennis stadium in Flushing Meadow > > Park, with Janis > > opening - or vice versa. Same summer as the Doors > > and the Who on one bill). > > I also saw Zep with Bonham elsewhere in that park. I > > even saw Pentangle, one > > of my favorite and rarely-exposed groups, at > > Carnegie Hall in 71. I also saw > > Miles, playing with most of the "Bitches Brew" band, > > opening(!!!) for Neil > > Young solo at Carnegie (or was it Fillmore East?), a > > great concert all > > around. Whew! > > =20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > www.luis-angulo.com >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 21 23:45:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B679C3BEE9; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:45:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <07820A18-010D-4554-9FC1-970697016FE3@arcor.de> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:45:05 +0000 (UTC) The distortion + was my first distortion pedal, at various times an echoplex, a green mxr delay unit and later a grey market Maxon rack mount 2 second delay with hold. i think I got the mxr at the same time I bagged the traynor in favor of a polytone mini brute that I took to Berklee. While in Boston, I got to see Bill Frizell with "Tiger's Baku" at Poohs Pub, and The first Pat Metheny Group at some basement club I can't remember the name of. yet more fuzzy memories Bill -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Willers [mailto:a.willers@arcor.de] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory from Jaco's biography: "As Jaco described the effect, "I've got an MXR Digital Delay, which I put through one amp" Doh!!!!!! I had remembered it, innacurately as an ADA when, of course, it was an MXR delay. I always have a problem remembering the names of those early digital delays (MXR, Delta Labs, ADA, Korg, etc.) They were all out of my price range and were state of the art in their day (and thus, fairly pricey by a beginning musicians' standards). I can see that unit clearly though. with it's big blue faceplate...............I think he was still using Acoustic amps, wasn't he? Someone posted a long time ago that they saw me using that MXR rack mount unit in Union Grove music about that time using it's piddly but exciting short loop time with a microphone. I was really into the music of the Ituri Pygmies who used yodelling techniques and a cool technique where you sing a note into a short piece of closed off bamboo (or you can use a small old fashioned ink bottle, as well) and sing a falsetto note in between blowing on the bottles. -> Alright, Rick! I rember well lusting for the MXR as well after seeing WR and "demoing" the hell out of it at a music store - it must have had like three or four seconds of delay!? All I could afford was a Distortion+ though, and two days later a Boss CE-2 chorus and a Korg tape echo (not a bad sound!). Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 00:05:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D59F3BEDD; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: Gigspam - Berkeley - Fri 12/23 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:04:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <5.2.1.1.0.20051221130811.01144398@mail02.powweb.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-ELNK-Trace: 5cae5941d33b27681aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e2f7aed9e5c8e41d46fea7cbff0cce30350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.123.73.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:05:47 +0000 (UTC) If you're in the Bay Area and looking for something to do Friday night, I'll be doing a set of live looping on six-string electric violin, voice, beatboxing and mandolin (and maybe guitar) this Friday at the Starry Plough in Berkeley. Details are below. Would love to see some friendly looper faces in the crowd! In other news, I was pleased to learn that two of my loop-based recordings are being featured on Keller Williams' syndicated radio show Keller's Cellar - www.kellerwilliams.net/kellerscellar/. Episode #69 featured my cover of Billie Jean, and episode #75 will feature my song Reel of Fortune. Keller Williams has always been a big inspiration for me ever since I saw him perform at the High Sierra Music Festival about five years ago. Happy Holidays! Adrian West www.adrianwest.com Friday Dec. 23rd Starry Plough 3101 Shattuck Ave. Lineup: 9:30 - From El Cerrito: Mike Glendinning 10:45 - Adrian West 12:00 - From Australia: Kaputnik $5 Cover, 21+ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 00:21:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8E4F3BEF1; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Line 6 Dl4 mod Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:21:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYGZZK9XVBVxxEES0uzJ9JuuEteGAAJ5N6g Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1EpECt17M3-0003ex@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:21:26 +0000 (UTC) I did email Keeley about a DL4 mod allowing the exp pedal to control feedback instead of loop volume (in loop mode). I basically got a nice form letter saying that they don't curently offer that, but to check back and see. Maybe if enough loopers would ask about it, though, it might happen. Or who knows, maybe someone on this list could figure it out. Or we can bother Line6 for a software update. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > At 9:03 PM -0800 12/20/05, William Walker wrote: > >Hey, I just got my DL4 back from Keeley electronics. I had > them do the > >modification I might have mentioned a few weeks back. My little > >Christmas present to myself. I'm happy to report that these almost > >49 year old ears can hear the difference. Its cleaner > sounding with no > >volume drop when using it as a delay, and it seems to be > missing some > >annoying high frequency back ground noise and RF. And it now > >sports the ultra cool blue LEDs!! check it out at > >www.robertkeeley.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 00:47:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 890AE3BEE0; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <43A9F0D8.2020202@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:18:32 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051221084840.011308e0@mail02.powweb.com> <43A97668.9090604@unguitar.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20051221084840.011308e0@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20051221130811.01144398@mail02.powweb.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051221130811.01144398@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi Sean, >> Ok, >> The bare project comprehends: > > > Of course you must have expected this listing to draw more questions ;) Yes, this is what we expect ;-) >> Lcd display + led > > > How many characters in the LCD display? > I'm waiting from the tech > >> Midi in/out >> Usb port + editor >> 18 buttons in 3 rows > > > 15 programmable switches + 3 navigation switches or a different > configuration? Exactly > >> ac power (switching) >> p/c + c/c + note on/off indipendent per each button > > > more than one of each type for each button? yes >> on/off or sustain type per each button >> 5 continous control input jacks (selectable as dependent or >> indipendent from preset ) >> 2 leds per each button > > > What are the two LEDs for? because when you set one button as latch/unlatch, you need to see when it's on or off > > Can you describe the bank/preset quantities and configuration? For > example, how many presets in a bank? How many banks and presets in > total are there? Are there even banks? In other words, does a preset > consist of the programming for a single switch or for all of the > programmable switches? If there are banks, do the presets exist > independently of the banks (preset independence means that if a preset > is used by multiple banks, then the preset only needs to be modified > once for the change to be available in all banks that use the preset)? > . I asked the tech to send me a more detailed spec list. It will be posted here as soon as I will get it. In the meantime ... think ! My best, luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 01:28:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1457D3BEDF; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1135214678.43aa0056106e8@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:24:38 -0300 From: arzezak@uces.edu.ar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Line 6 Dl4 mod References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 200.45.152.219 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Count me in! Ariel. Mensaje citado por hazard factor : > I did email Keeley about a DL4 mod allowing the exp pedal to control > feedback instead of loop volume (in loop mode). I basically got a nice = form > letter saying that they don't curently offer that, but to check back an= d > see. Maybe if enough loopers would ask about it, though, it might happe= n. Or > who knows, maybe someone on this list could figure it out. Or we can bo= ther > Line6 for a software update. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > At 9:03 PM -0800 12/20/05, William Walker wrote: > > >Hey, I just got my DL4 back from Keeley electronics. I had > > them do the > > >modification I might have mentioned a few weeks back. My little > > >Christmas present to myself. I'm happy to report that these almost > > >49 year old ears can hear the difference. Its cleaner > > sounding with no > > >volume drop when using it as a delay, and it seems to be > > missing some > > >annoying high frequency back ground noise and RF. And it now > > >sports the ultra cool blue LEDs!! check it out at > > >www.robertkeeley.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 02:41:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 886003BEC7; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=H2JCZpw/KM+ty/PbQ1wnQqkTGXkUnWub/SJvnTIxyS+e1M2IsFEjreMP2xjfiMObMNPWRNp8sRLYJDT621F6y36JUj6Lixev5HBEHZjVQSE0PQOnWyZvdcvbm1Y8656WGzaWDj50xyTHM9xImu8jsAv0rqqKyKqQOHDT/p8fEgc= Message-ID: <44687f490512211841k209a57e4w6b44960b7c8e2634@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:41:42 -0500 From: Tom Combs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #834 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051221223225.02858070@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_213_15641161.1135219302982" References: <20051221222448.E677A3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051221223225.02858070@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <7ohKjB.A.uwE.pJhqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:41:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_213_15641161.1135219302982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yes, fourier falls apart (even in theory) when applied to non-stationary signals. I agree with that. Maybe we're comparing apples and oranges here - I'm claiming that the Nyquist theorem is a mathematical proof that you can perfectly reconstruct = a stationary, periodic signal given perfect components to work with. >>Unless my math is wrong, I don't agree. A 22khz tone sampled at >>44.1khz produces a signal containing the fundamental (22k) plus >>additional components at 22.1k, 66.1k, 66.2k, 110.2k, 110.3k, >>154.3k, ad infinitum. Do you agree? >no, >for one thing this ignores aliasing. What are the alias frequencies in this example? I'm not seeing them. I don't see how the two sampled signals you described are mathematically equivalent. On 12/21/05, a k butler wrote: > > At 22:24 21/12/05, you wrote: > > > sample a 22kHz signal at 44.1kHz > > > > > the result is identical to sampling a 22.05kHz tone > > > which is amplitude modulated at 500Hz > > > > > agree? (if no, then try working it out on paper) > > just draw the waveform, > and put the sample points on > ...easy > > then you'll see it > > sorry > for being unclear, I didn't mean to do the arithmetic > > > >Unless my math is wrong, I don't agree. A 22khz tone sampled at > >44.1khz produces a signal containing the fundamental (22k) plus > >additional components at 22.1k, 66.1k, 66.2k, 110.2k, 110.3k, > >154.3k, ad infinitum. Do you agree? > > no, > for one thing this ignores aliasing. > > secondly, only 22.1k is within the limits imposed by the sampling > frequency. > > thirdly, ;-) it's getting late here and I'm a bit tired to crunch the > numbers, > > I will do later, but once you see the samples plotted the maths won't > matter > > >I may be misinterpreting "the result is identical to sampling a 22.05kHz= tone > >which is amplitude modulated at 500Hz". I'm assuming you're first > >modulating a 22.05k tone at 500hz, producing the original 22.05k > >tone plus sidebands at 22.55k and 21.55k. Sample that signal and > >you don't get the same result as the 22k tone sampled at 44.1k. > > > >Which is wrong? My math, my interpretation, or both? > > > > > >The ideal Nyquist sampling theorem is based on the ideal Fourier > >transform - ideal Fourier transforms are lossless aren't > >they? Granted it all falls apart when you try to put it into practice. > > um, I already dealt with that. > Ideal fourier presumes a periodic signal of known frequency. > So it falls apart in theory, even before the practice > > andy > > ------=_Part_213_15641161.1135219302982 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yes, fourier falls apart (even in theory) when applied to non-stationary si= gnals.  I agree with that.

Maybe we're comparing apples and oranges here - I'm claiming that the Nyquist theorem is a mathematical proof that you can perfectly reconstruct a stationary, periodic signal given perfect components to work with.

>>Unless my math is wrong, I don't agree.  A 22khz tone sam= pled at
>>44.1khz produces a signal containing the fundamental (22k) plus
>>additional components at 22.1k, 66.1k, 66.2k, 110.2k, 110.3k,
>>154.3k, ad infinitum.  Do you agree?

>no,
>for one thing this ignores aliasing.

What are the alias frequencies in this example?  I'm not seeing them.<= br>
I don't see how the two sampled signals you described are mathematically eq= uivalent. 









On 12/21/05, a k butler <akbutler@= tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
At 22:24 21/12/05, you wrote:
> > sample a 22kHz signal at 44.1kHz=
>
> > the result is identical to sampling a 22.05kHz tone> > which is amplitude modulated  at 500Hz
>
>= ; > agree? (if no, then try working it out on paper)

just draw the waveform,
and put the sample points on
...easy<= br>
then you'll see it

sorry
for being unclear, I didn't mean = to do the arithmetic
>
>Unless my math is wrong, I don't agree.=   A 22khz tone sampled at
>44.1khz produces a signal containing the fundamental (22k) plus
= >additional components at 22.1k, 66.1k, 66.2k, 110.2k, 110.3k,
>15= 4.3k, ad infinitum.  Do you agree?

no,
for one thing th= is ignores aliasing.

secondly, only 22.1k is within the limits imposed by the sampling f= requency.

thirdly, ;-) it's getting late here and I'm a bit tired to= crunch the numbers,

I will do later, but once you see the samples p= lotted the maths won't matter

>I may be misinterpreting "the result is identical to sampl= ing a 22.05kHz tone
>which is amplitude modulated  at 500Hz= ".  I'm assuming you're first
>modulating a 22.05k ton= e at 500hz, producing the original=20 22.05k
>tone plus sidebands at 22.55k and 21.55k.  Sample t= hat signal and
>you don't get the same result as the 22k tone sampled= at 44.1k.
>
>Which is wrong? My math, my interpretation, or bo= th?
>
>
>The ideal Nyquist sampling theorem is based on the idea= l Fourier
>transform - ideal Fourier transforms are lossless aren't>they?  Granted it all falls apart when you try to put it in= to practice.

um, I already dealt with that.
Ideal fourier presumes a periodic= signal of known frequency.
So it falls apart in theory, even before the= practice

andy


------=_Part_213_15641161.1135219302982-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 04:17:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D08893BED3; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1EpECt17M3-0003ex@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKp2t-1EpECt17M3-0003ex@mrelay.perfora.net> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:17:12 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: RE: Line 6 Dl4 mod Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:17:22 +0000 (UTC) At 7:21 PM -0500 12/21/05, hazard factor wrote: > I did email Keeley about a DL4 mod allowing the exp pedal to control >feedback instead of loop volume (in loop mode). I basically got a nice form >letter saying that they don't curently offer that, but to check back and >see. Maybe if enough loopers would ask about it, though, it might happen. FWIW, I've been talking with Analog Mike about the feasibility of doing a similar upgrade on the Boss DD-20. In this case, I've been chatting with him about adding a jack for an EV-5 expression pedal to control Feedback. I think it looks pretty promising (not least of which because Mike's already done this mod to the DD-5 & DD-6) but I've got to open up my DD-20 and check a few things, then report back to him. He's socked up until after the holidays anyway. But I'll report back when it amounts to something tangible... --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 09:48:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0E443BECF; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007b01c606dc$d57a6d60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: thanks, Bro!!! Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:48:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Bill Walker wrote: "fond indeed. We got to see so much great music back then, I feel lucky. Like the first Mahavishnu Orchestra Tour, and some of the early ECM stuff like Eberhard Weber and Ralph Towner and John Abercrombie, those were mind altering experiences to say the least." Yeah, bro, not to mention Weather Report, Chick Corea and Return to Forever, Shakti, Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius and going back further: Jeff Beck, Yes, Jethro Tull, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Earth Wind and Fire, Cream, the Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother with Janis, It's a Beautiful Day, Simon and Garfunkel, Crosby Stills, Nash and Young and even further back: Peter Paul and Mary (oh my god.................did I admit that? ) and a zillion other gigs too numerous for me to remember. I also feel pretty damned good that I have shared so many wonderful gigs with you over the years, Bill, whether seeing them or playing them............... playing with Babatunde Olatunji, Tao Chemical, Rhythmical, Worlds Collide, Third Wave, Two, Walkers ....................opening in those bands for King Sunny Ade, Youssou Ndour, Thomas Mapfumo, The Thompson Twins, Berlin, Santana, Huey Lewis and the News, the Neville Brothers, Bonie Raitt, Jackson Browne, Loggins and Messina..........................fucking Cher and Kenny G (lol, I saved those two for last, perversely)............so many friggin' gigs. We grew up together and I feel blessed to have played with such an amazingly talented and truly creative musician. I love you and I don't mind saying it in public! Thanks for sharing so much of my musical life with me, bro! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 10:28:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C9CB3BED2; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AA7FB2.70309@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:28:02 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sample rate References: <20051219024141.06C923BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051219112651.02856eb0@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051219112651.02856eb0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_S9rl.A.zTH.1-nqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:28:05 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > >> Bell Labs researcher Harry Nyquist develops Sampling Theory. It states >> provides that if a signal is sampled at twice its nominal highest >> frequency, the samples will contain all of the information in the >> original signal. Which is true! Millions of mathematicians have prooved it. > Which is clearly not true :-) > There's no way to keep the phase information for a signal sampled > at only twice it's frequency. > Only the amplitude. guess what students ask their teachers of sampling theorems? They usually ask the same as you do and they get an answer they can understand. You have to do the mathematics. I do not know anybody who does the mathematics behind it, still claims that its not possible. What usually is forgotten, is that the Nyquist theorem is aimed at infinite observation time. > Or, alternatively, as Jon explained, > a 22050Hz signal is only captured by 44100Hz sampling if the sampling > happens to occur at the peaks and troughs of the signal, and not > at the zero crossing points. Which is only true for exact 22050 Hz at 44100 Hz sampling rate. Do you really want to sample exactly a 22050 Hz signal with a 44100 Hz sampling rate? The phase weirdness happens with the analog filters before the converter. 22050 Hz is the theoratical border which cannot be passed, the amplitude and phase you get for this one frequency is arbitrary. But we are talking about real world problems don't we ;-) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 10:28:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 959913BEDE; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AA7FC5.9030700@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:28:21 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the perfect [sic] controller References: <054301c603f8$38f60da0$0302a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > These days almost all my looping activities incorporate pitch > transposing. So, maybe I should have wished for fourteen buttons then? > But if the "Bank Change" button is virtual and can be addressed by MIDI > we may use all twelve physical buttons to play music with. There are these foot controlers for organs, they are perfect for that kind of stuff. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 10:32:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06A343BEEE; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d201c606e3$0a7fd350$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <43A991D4.1000402@unguitar.com> Subject: lucas ideal controler Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:32:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:32:44 +0000 (UTC) cleaning the thread some ideas >Ok, >The bare project comprehends: >Lcd display + led >Midi in/out Midi out we all understand but with midi in it would be great to have a way to recall the "buttons pages or banks" by program ch (the pedboard should have his dedicate chann) the idea is to have maybe another midi source setup All the devices by (pg ch) to the next song/state including the foot controler >Usb port + editor allso think about the usb port being the IN of an all computer solution (it probably better to think about it before the hardware is done) >18 buttons in 3 rows silent and light touch buttons for subtle and precise sending how is the banking done ?? >ac power (switching) going to be expensive .... >p/c + c/c + note on/off indipendent per each button better would be an "ANY midi message" container for Button ON and another for button OFF (harder to program for the user because you really need to be midi fluent BUT soo much versatile and creative : send to different devices, send multiple messages, send small sys ex messages, etc.... >on/off or sustain type per each button provide a ON value and a OFF value a reset all "ON" controlers button type ==> sends all OFF values on one press >5 continous control input jacks (selectable as dependent or indipendent >from preset ) >2 leds per each button great project Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 11:15:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45C8D3BEE0; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AA8B04.10102@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:16:20 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:15:49 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Gert Emmens of the Netherlands. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Wanderer of Time" on Groove Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Schwingungen" by Ash Ra Tempel on Ohr Records and released in 1972. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#dec Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, December 24 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are GMT-5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 12:44:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAF263BEE7; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3nGAkdQ0Y4jVticCZJG56/09Tw99USnF/81jRiPoxSFYso6+zHxn5fZB1nR607bIP1892fa8kkLIMKLtaaM6jeWTyLyXPR4Bte79vFJ4G6WsgjymzR0LSbZqgH1QldO8sFUi3cJ+yUJ8q7KfCzTSMAvMuJ1o6amIZkEQUfHQT/Q= ; Message-ID: <20051222124437.86237.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:44:37 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003101c60680$2b7471f0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Yes indeed but 60s children like Peter Gabriel and Bowie still amaze me! cheers Luis --- Tony K wrote: > > > It's a good time to be alive as a musician (even > if it's harder and harder > > to find places to play). > > > > Watching Jaco loop those harmonics in an ostinato > pattern it makes me > > think how jazzed he would be today, > > owning an EDP, a Looperlative, a Repeater, a > laptop with Augustus Loop > > or Moebius or Ableton's Live. > > > > What he would do with it all. It's humbling, > isn't it? > > I've wondered the same thing about people like Janis > and Jimi. But then > look at some of the 'greats' who did survive and see > what they are doing > now. I look at Fripp or Eno and see where the > technology took them, and > then see Clapton, who is GREAT - no doubt, but is > still playing the same > thing... > > It is still a great great time to be a musician! > > Tony > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 12:46:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC21B3BEF1; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ku0Vh3tRXglgfC+by2CQq0ovfXA1mDvA+X3lrwEUDUGMt6I1SBnMrRvtzuzsLyIOQ7fl8iY4xYltvzW1AeuOLarKDnLULn36ldmv1H8D4OtBvFsdunZMYyb3f4KKsbUcma6Qe9EJS1UUNr2VVKVgP4pSO0QzbzDjte9lc1HrnYo= ; Message-ID: <20051222124653.49948.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:46:53 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ee01c6067b$ca373e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0Vu_eC.A.gkC.ABqqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Rick i realize more and more how true this is! I remember looking at that > 1st rack mounted gear > and thinking > "Wow, they are taking up so much space to do the > same thing that footpedals > can do" www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 12:47:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E01D33BEFE; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zSECV3fTNIknOILNt8R50XXniOIXAowwTNIeLCErJ8e07TBfDtNYLQ+cgBvwAVjZWJEzRRECCveYvM13ytUZioPK0dG7r6sxORhNvOe2tAjkcbChGBiZMB6eucTN/nYIeqwEbMx8O1UqjFTXCPVFZHx7gEGiaK1Krax0H+4Sqbg= ; Message-ID: <20051222124705.16440.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:47:05 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ee01c6067b$ca373e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Rick i realize more and more how true this is! I remember looking at that > 1st rack mounted gear > and thinking > "Wow, they are taking up so much space to do the > same thing that footpedals > can do" www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 13:20:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13BA23BEE9; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CABP2qUOCFIU0AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051222121715.02d6e750@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:19:46 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Sample rate In-Reply-To: <20051222103245.851503BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051222103245.851503BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:20:04 +0000 (UTC) > > >>>Bell Labs researcher Harry Nyquist develops Sampling Theory. It >>>states provides that if a signal is sampled at twice its nominal >>>highest frequency, the samples will contain all of the information >>>in the original signal. > >Which is true! Millions of mathematicians have prooved it. if it was true, then you'd be able to sample a 22049Hz pure sine wave at 44100Hz, (you wouldn't need a filter, as there's no harmonics), and then you'd be able to re-construct it. Fourier is about finding the amplitude of harmonics within a periodic signal of known frequency. Now, the Nyquist Theorum refers to the possibility of (for instance) sampling a 22049Hz pure sine at 44098Hz with the phase aligned correctly. In that case we get all the information. (i.e. the amplitude, the one thing we didn't know already) Proof only counts if it's relevant to the situation. In the case of digital audio, that proof isn't relevant. >>Which is clearly not true :-) >>There's no way to keep the phase information for a signal sampled >>at only twice it's frequency. >>Only the amplitude. > >guess what students ask their teachers of sampling theorems? I have very little respect for educational establishments :-) but I did actually stay long enough at college to see fourier explained >They usually ask the same as you do and they get an answer they can >understand. You have to do the mathematics. I do not know anybody >who does the mathematics behind it, still claims that its not possible. > >What usually is forgotten, is that the Nyquist theorem is aimed at >infinite observation time. it's "aimed" at a periodic signal of known period, ( so it's assumed infinite) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 13:21:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02D473BEEA; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qvJhHrLukzSQreR5ydlJj27BAdb2vkwCchMF+4WcDNIrFpd6DetlO5cHweJxXSMD4CEB6jJ5uadwbWBxWXpQn1q7MldlFQKOJ1CEMOaKkLHpDxziM39xlp2X5+O2vPjaBPT/+kI7FCWddEyIFLq4PHom7qO8XlISqQyEM5xDWtw= ; Message-ID: <20051222132149.19923.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:21:49 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7594655.1135190205846.JavaMail.root@web21> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:21:50 +0000 (UTC) What i really sense and like about those times is that the musicians could really play and sing and didn´t get too hung up on sound quality live,ive seen some videos from those times where i thought my god would you people do at least a fuckin sound check!;-)it seems they would just get wasted and just jam away and didnt care about anything else!but there was also a lot of sense of comunity and a certain naive which is wonderful to see,people would get really excited will a lot less...when i see old videos from the beat club or the ed sullivan show, how people would go nuts and girls would be screaming so hard you could hardly hear the music,i dont know i wasn´t in those moments but now days although we have everything it seems the opposite,a bit colder stale and egoistical... Luis --- paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > I once saw the Quicksilver Messenger Service perform > in a lecture hall at the University of Pittsburgh. > That was in their serious jamming days. I sat about > two 'desks' back from the band and they were HOT! > > Also saw Genesis (w/Gabriel) a LONG time ago in a > venue that doubled as an ice skating rink! Towards > the end of the concert, the ice 'covering' was > soaked through. > > Or, who can forget the double bill of the Iron > Butterfly/Canned Heat where the concert was > temporarily halted by the police because the word > 'fuck' was used onstage? > > The head guru and maharishi of Lawrenceville > ---- Luis Angulo wrote: > > man you guys were so lucky to have seen all those > > people,its incredible how influencial they were > and > > still are i was too young in those times to see > > them,when i listen to syd barret it still blows my > > mind what he was doing!although i grew up with > > eighties music once i discover the guitar i landed > > listening to all of those cats and after that i > > couldn´t listen to eighites music anymore in fact > i > > hated it and thought it was all plastic pop > rubbish... > > but lately i got a bit nostalgic seeing videos > from > > gary neuman "cars" (whose voice remainds me of > syd) > > thomas dolby and "let the good times roll" by the > > cars,stray cats and thought well shit there were a > > couple of cool cats back then as well;-) > > cheers > > luis > > > > > > > incredible line up > > > how long were the loops jaco was riding? > > > [WS: ] they were only a couple of seconds long. > > > > were you at friday night in sanfrancisco...bro? > > > [WS: ] Funny you should ask. actually, I *was* > > > there. great show. were > > > *you* there? > > > that town has had some magic musical moments in > > > time... > > > did floyd do "the wall"on that tour?or was that > LA & > > > new york > > > some good ole days for sure > > > > > > [WS: ] The only time I ever saw Floyd was > pre-Wall; > > > I was fortunate to also > > > be at an equally incredible concert location - > the > > > State University of NY at > > > Stony Brook, 1968-71 (well, I guess the greater > NY > > > area gets credit, since > > > we frequently ventured into Manhattan for some > other > > > great show). Pink Floyd > > > gave an incredible show, but also there were > *so* > > > many other highlights: the > > > Allmans with Duane, Alvin Lee from 10 Years > After > > > leaving the stage soaked > > > in sweat and tears of joy, Moby Grape nearly > having > > > a fistfight on stage (on > > > the same bill with Procol Harum), the Jefferson > > > Airplane at their peak > > > (right before the Airplane dissolved into the > > > Starship), the Who (with Moon) > > > playing Tommy start to finish, Joe Cocker twice > - > > > with the Grease Band and > > > the travelling circus known as Mad Dogs and > > > Englishmen (both great), and my > > > personal favorite of the entire period, Jorma > > > Kaukonen and Jack Cassady > > > playing acoustic (well, not Cassady) for 4 hours > > > straight. I think most of > > > these concerts were probably about $10 each for > > > students. Unfortunately, I > > > was there a year too late to see Hendrix (but > I'd > > > seen him the year before > > > at what is now the tennis stadium in Flushing > Meadow > > > Park, with Janis > > > opening - or vice versa. Same summer as the > Doors > > > and the Who on one bill). > > > I also saw Zep with Bonham elsewhere in that > park. I > > > even saw Pentangle, one > > > of my favorite and rarely-exposed groups, at > > > Carnegie Hall in 71. I also saw > > > Miles, playing with most of the "Bitches Brew" > band, > > > opening(!!!) for Neil > > > Young solo at Carnegie (or was it Fillmore > East?), a > > > great concert all > > > around. Whew! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 13:40:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DDF03BEDD; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FGU4yrAszNwrLiDvhtpSZS/L/8B3U0uuNwov/kUkpwJ5llxS1v9Glej3uT78ofZueI4bqFUTAU+p1dyqDnhJcX7FlTrnfnnhL+Fx1tB3s1i92mT+1/NnI6ETcvPkwvmcoOU1m9i58kKcxQsCsRCbboL06B6sEPyGXygiv8A0IaQ= ; Message-ID: <20051222134049.84060.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:40:49 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <87857F4E-9C13-415A-BB52-C3BBE8CAFAE6@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:40:50 +0000 (UTC) I just saw a live video from the band "Echo and the bunnymen" and i must say although i was too busy studying hendrix and page and ignoring the 80´s that guitarrist had an incredible guitar tone,he actually played with tube amps can u believe that!another guy who had a really cool tone was the guitarrist from the B52´s (the first album is the one )belew of course and david Rhodes and paul weller guitar playing on the Peter Gabriels meting face album it doesn´t get any better than that! man i am rediscovering my times! Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Dec 21, 2005, at 18:34, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > couldn´t listen to eighites music anymore in fact > i > > hated it and thought it was all plastic pop > rubbish... > > Agreed. I suffered, musically, during the eighties > ;-) > > > gary neuman "cars" (whose voice remainds me of > syd) > > thomas dolby and "let the good times roll" by the > > cars,stray cats > > right on! IMHO the Cabaret Voltaire as well kept > the vibe going > through The Dark Decade ;-) By the late eighties I > finally > discovered that most record store had moved loads of > good stuff into > new shelves labeled "world", and that was one reason > why I had > suffered from not finding much interesting music in > those days. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 14:37:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 324313BED2; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aNHmZYAEglTUjUihSwsusngZwVPwzj9/6aLOBUBl5DpkU9EX0gVuecPjGdGo5SS/; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200512422144244850@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: thanks, Bro!!! Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:42:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b8a0f6f133f5f664b7ba758f4fd2052f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Having grown up in a close family, I can dig the public fraternal lovefest. Good for you! Holy cow, you guys have played with/seen a veritable who's who. Hey Bill, I've enjoyed your brother's stuff enormously, but I have yet to hear yers. Wanna trade CDs? Yours in Fruitcake (with No Funky Fake Fruit and Lotsa Rum), ~Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: loop.pool > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Date: 12/22/2005 4:48:12 AM > Subject: thanks, Bro!!! > > Bill Walker wrote: > "fond indeed. We got to see so much great music back then, I feel lucky. > Like > the first Mahavishnu Orchestra Tour, and some of the early ECM stuff like > Eberhard Weber and Ralph Towner and John Abercrombie, those were mind > altering experiences to say the least." > > > Yeah, bro, not to mention Weather Report, Chick Corea and Return to > Forever, Shakti, Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius and going back further: > Jeff Beck, Yes, Jethro Tull, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Earth Wind and Fire, > Cream, the Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother with Janis, > It's a Beautiful Day, Simon and Garfunkel, Crosby Stills, Nash and Young and > even further back: Peter Paul and Mary > (oh my god.................did I admit that? ) and a zillion other > gigs too numerous for me to remember. > > I also feel pretty damned good that I have shared so many wonderful gigs > with you over the years, Bill, whether > seeing them or playing them............... playing with Babatunde Olatunji, > Tao Chemical, Rhythmical, Worlds Collide, Third Wave, Two, Walkers > ....................opening in those bands for King Sunny Ade, Youssou > Ndour, Thomas Mapfumo, The Thompson Twins, Berlin, Santana, Huey Lewis and > the News, the Neville Brothers, Bonie Raitt, Jackson Browne, Loggins and > Messina..........................fucking Cher and Kenny G (lol, I saved > those two for last, perversely)............so many friggin' gigs. > > We grew up together and I feel blessed to have played with such an amazingly > talented and truly creative musician. > > I love you and I don't mind saying it in public! Thanks for sharing so > much of my musical life with me, bro! > > Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 14:49:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83D443BEDE; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:49:36 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: thanks, Bro!!! To: "loop.pool" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Message-id: <006001c60707$0bd03dc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007b01c606dc$d57a6d60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > ....fucking Cher and Kenny G (lol, I saved > those two for last, perversely)...... Cher *and* Kenny G!?!?!? At the same time? (and personally, I would have done them first to get them out of the way...) ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 15:02:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AFE73BED3; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NZrZXQiJ1N1I6gwdIQcJNJf/FNMVEaP8FkUE2blyZDjarswS+VG9I6/vOEe5W481; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051242215735970@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: concert nostalgia and name-dropping Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:07:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9404ab5f161e197f046a44dd16ef2aa5b30350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Best of all, little kids are digging the '66-'71 thang as well. Possibly the first time in modern history that kids are genuinely enjoying their parents' music! "I think I heard "Third Stone From The Sun" in a supermarket this year." You ever hear Dick Dale's version? Respectful and powerful. Sonic Wa, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Warren Sirota > To: > Date: 12/21/2005 6:41:53 PM > Subject: RE: concert nostalgia and name-dropping > > It's true, in many ways we "vintage" folks (you know who you are) were > musically lucky. > > I am always amazed at the persistence of 60's (by which I mean more-or-less > 66-71) rock in the culture - in supermarkets, on oldies stations, whatever. > I guess to a large extent that's a function of demographics (my > g-g-g-generation is still the mongoose working it's way through the snake's > digestive system - take that metaphor in whatever way is most meaningful and > least disgusting to you), but I also think there was something unique about > the experimental nature of the music _and_ the media at that time (the first > days of FM rock radio were *so* much more expansive than anything you'll > find outside of college stations today). > > But now - I might be mis-remembering (not so uncommon for me), but I think I > heard "Third Stone From The Sun" in a supermarket this year. Not a muzak > version - the original. And I'm sure I've heard stuff like Yes, etc. > > And then, of course, you have early-70s Who songs completely dominating TV > themes and commercials today (I'm still waiting for someone to use > "Odorono"). > > I don't think *any* of these artists dreamed that they'd still be listened > to 35-40 years later (or that the dessicated skins of the Rolling Stones > would still be performing live). What a thing! > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:35 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping > > > > > > man you guys were so lucky to have seen all those > > people,its incredible how influencial they were and > > still are i was too young in those times to see > > them,when i listen to syd barret it still blows my > > mind what he was doing!although i grew up with > > eighties music once i discover the guitar i landed > > listening to all of those cats and after that i > > couldn´t listen to eighites music anymore in fact i > > hated it and thought it was all plastic pop rubbish... > > but lately i got a bit nostalgic seeing videos from > > gary neuman "cars" (whose voice remainds me of syd) > > thomas dolby and "let the good times roll" by the > > cars,stray cats and thought well shit there were a > > couple of cool cats back then as well;-) > > cheers > > luis > > > > > > > incredible line up > > > how long were the loops jaco was riding? > > > [WS: ] they were only a couple of seconds long. > > > were you at friday night in sanfrancisco...bro? > > > [WS: ] Funny you should ask. actually, I *was* > > > there. great show. were > > > *you* there? > > > that town has had some magic musical moments in > > > time... > > > did floyd do "the wall"on that tour?or was that LA & > > > new york > > > some good ole days for sure > > > > > > [WS: ] The only time I ever saw Floyd was pre-Wall; > > > I was fortunate to also > > > be at an equally incredible concert location - the > > > State University of NY at > > > Stony Brook, 1968-71 (well, I guess the greater NY > > > area gets credit, since > > > we frequently ventured into Manhattan for some other > > > great show). Pink Floyd > > > gave an incredible show, but also there were *so* > > > many other highlights: the > > > Allmans with Duane, Alvin Lee from 10 Years After > > > leaving the stage soaked > > > in sweat and tears of joy, Moby Grape nearly having > > > a fistfight on stage (on > > > the same bill with Procol Harum), the Jefferson > > > Airplane at their peak > > > (right before the Airplane dissolved into the > > > Starship), the Who (with Moon) > > > playing Tommy start to finish, Joe Cocker twice - > > > with the Grease Band and > > > the travelling circus known as Mad Dogs and > > > Englishmen (both great), and my > > > personal favorite of the entire period, Jorma > > > Kaukonen and Jack Cassady > > > playing acoustic (well, not Cassady) for 4 hours > > > straight. I think most of > > > these concerts were probably about $10 each for > > > students. Unfortunately, I > > > was there a year too late to see Hendrix (but I'd > > > seen him the year before > > > at what is now the tennis stadium in Flushing Meadow > > > Park, with Janis > > > opening - or vice versa. Same summer as the Doors > > > and the Who on one bill). > > > I also saw Zep with Bonham elsewhere in that park. I > > > even saw Pentangle, one > > > of my favorite and rarely-exposed groups, at > > > Carnegie Hall in 71. I also saw > > > Miles, playing with most of the "Bitches Brew" band, > > > opening(!!!) for Neil > > > Young solo at Carnegie (or was it Fillmore East?), a > > > great concert all > > > around. Whew! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 15:06:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F336D3BED6; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Uvy6KJPOQjQI5/mpnbgzU/OYM7cq1HcV9CHpEHcLO0JsZIvqbZAOs7LfM3rO/mh6; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200512422151240@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Will Sergeant Re: Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:12:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940d1eb7b4a572bc50691859729d9b289d6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.154 Resent-Message-ID: <96-0VD.A.rd.0DsqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:06:28 +0000 (UTC) I am glad I'm not the only one to notice the goodness of Echo and the Bunnymen's guitarist Will Sergeant. He could also channel Richard Lloyd when it suited him. Great stuff. ~t > [Original Message] > From: Luis Angulo > To: > Date: 12/22/2005 8:40:49 AM > Subject: Re: Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping > > I just saw a live video from the band "Echo and the > bunnymen" and i must say although i was too busy > studying hendrix and page and ignoring the 80´s that > guitarrist had an incredible guitar tone,he actually > played with tube amps can u believe that!another guy > who had a really cool tone was the guitarrist from the > B52´s (the first album is the one )belew of course and > david Rhodes and paul weller guitar playing on the > Peter Gabriels meting face album it doesn´t get any > better than that! man i am rediscovering my times! > Luis > > > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > On Dec 21, 2005, at 18:34, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > > > couldn´t listen to eighites music anymore in fact > > i > > > hated it and thought it was all plastic pop > > rubbish... > > > > Agreed. I suffered, musically, during the eighties > > ;-) > > > > > gary neuman "cars" (whose voice remainds me of > > syd) > > > thomas dolby and "let the good times roll" by the > > > cars,stray cats > > > > right on! IMHO the Cabaret Voltaire as well kept > > the vibe going > > through The Dark Decade ;-) By the late eighties I > > finally > > discovered that most record store had moved loads of > > good stuff into > > new shelves labeled "world", and that was one reason > > why I had > > suffered from not finding much interesting music in > > those days. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 15:14:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BD653BEFA; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AAC2BB.2020206@biink.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:14:03 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping References: <20051222134049.84060.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051222134049.84060.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Luis Angulo wrote: >I just saw a live video from the band "Echo and the >bunnymen" and i must say although i was too busy >studying hendrix and page and ignoring the 80´s that >guitarrist had an incredible guitar tone,he actually >played with tube amps can u believe that!another guy >who had a really cool tone was the guitarrist from the >B52´s (the first album is the one )belew of course and >david Rhodes and paul weller guitar playing on the >Peter Gabriels meting face album it doesn´t get any >better than that! man i am rediscovering my times! >Luis > Adrian Belew didn't play on the PG album, that was Fripp. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 15:29:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF6D63BEE4; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:30:33 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: thanks, Bro!!! In-reply-to: <007b01c606dc$d57a6d60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000701c6070c$a6070e00$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Wow, what a performance history! I didn't have a clue (not so uncommon for me :-) ) Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:48 AM > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: thanks, Bro!!! > > > Bill Walker wrote: > "fond indeed. We got to see so much great music back then, I > feel lucky. > Like > the first Mahavishnu Orchestra Tour, and some of the early > ECM stuff like Eberhard Weber and Ralph Towner and John > Abercrombie, those were mind altering experiences to say the least." > > > Yeah, bro, not to mention Weather Report, Chick Corea and Return to > Forever, Shakti, Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius and going back > further: Jeff Beck, Yes, Jethro Tull, Emerson Lake and > Palmer, Earth Wind and Fire, > Cream, the Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother with Janis, > It's a Beautiful Day, Simon and Garfunkel, Crosby Stills, > Nash and Young and > even further back: Peter Paul and Mary > (oh my god.................did I admit that? ) and a > zillion other > gigs too numerous for me to remember. > > I also feel pretty damned good that I have shared so many > wonderful gigs > with you over the years, Bill, whether > seeing them or playing them............... playing with > Babatunde Olatunji, > Tao Chemical, Rhythmical, Worlds Collide, Third Wave, Two, > Walkers ....................opening in those bands for King > Sunny Ade, Youssou > Ndour, Thomas Mapfumo, The Thompson Twins, Berlin, Santana, > Huey Lewis and > the News, the Neville Brothers, Bonie Raitt, Jackson Browne, > Loggins and > Messina..........................fucking Cher and Kenny G > (lol, I saved > those two for last, perversely)............so many friggin' gigs. > > We grew up together and I feel blessed to have played with > such an amazingly > talented and truly creative musician. > > I love you and I don't mind saying it in public! Thanks for > sharing so > much of my musical life with me, bro! > > Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 15:43:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 314503BEDA; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:41:12 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Fripp quote To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002e01c6070e$934ef640$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051222152951.92BD03BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2PmOBB.A.nFC.tmsqDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:43:42 +0000 (UTC) >From Robert Fripp's diary: "In Soundscapes, and other looping musics, the consequences of our actions return to haunt us - very quickly; and provide us an opportunity to address the repercussions of our decisions, indecisions & non-decisions - immediately. If only all of life were like this." To comment in the style of Alec Baldwin imitating Tony Bennett: The Frippster sure can wring the bejebees out of a phrase. Bob, where'd you get that suit? But seriously... The entry for Dec. 21 is very beautiful and touching, with several pictures of his family's church and graves. Click here: http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=2566 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 17:22:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96C5D3BED5; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051222121715.02d6e750@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20051222103245.851503BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051222121715.02d6e750@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-198616825 Message-Id: <93147A2F-52DA-46CE-A465-415B790BB5E0@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Sample rate Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:22:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.101 (HTML_MESSAGE) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:22:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-198616825 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed andy knows what he is talking about. its the most sense of this nonsensical thread. remember what i said about knowing "some information"? its the reason why he disrespects educational establishments cause u guys dont get the whole picture. but u still try to apply it. why is this so hard to understand? he's right about Fourier and right about the Nyquist Theorem. ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:19 AM, a k butler wrote: > >> >> >>>> Bell Labs researcher Harry Nyquist develops Sampling Theory. It >>>> states provides that if a signal is sampled at twice its nominal >>>> highest frequency, the samples will contain all of the >>>> information in the original signal. >> >> Which is true! Millions of mathematicians have prooved it. > > if it was true, then you'd be able to sample a 22049Hz pure sine wave > at 44100Hz, > (you wouldn't need a filter, as there's no harmonics), > and then you'd be able to re-construct it. > > Fourier is about finding the amplitude of harmonics within a > periodic signal of > known frequency. > > Now, the Nyquist Theorum refers to the possibility > of (for instance) sampling a 22049Hz pure sine at 44098Hz > with the phase aligned correctly. > In that case we get all the information. > (i.e. the amplitude, the one thing we didn't know already) > > Proof only counts if it's relevant to the situation. > In the case of digital audio, that proof isn't relevant. > >>> Which is clearly not true :-) >>> There's no way to keep the phase information for a signal sampled >>> at only twice it's frequency. >>> Only the amplitude. >> >> guess what students ask their teachers of sampling theorems? > > I have very little respect for educational establishments :-) > > but I did actually stay long enough at college to see fourier > explained > > >> They usually ask the same as you do and they get an answer they >> can understand. You have to do the mathematics. I do not know >> anybody who does the mathematics behind it, still claims that its >> not possible. >> >> What usually is forgotten, is that the Nyquist theorem is aimed at >> infinite observation time. > > it's "aimed" at a periodic signal of known period, > ( so it's assumed infinite) > > andy > > > --Apple-Mail-6-198616825 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 andy knows what he is talking = about.
its the most sense of this nonsensical = thread.
remember what i said about knowing "some = information"?
its the reason why he disrespects educational = establishments cause u guys dont get the whole picture. but u still try = to apply it.
why is this so hard to understand?

he's right about Fourier = and right about the Nyquist Theorem.
___
Adrian=A0Bartholomew
8439 Lee Blvd
Leawood, KS = 66206
(913) 660-6918

 =

On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:19 AM, a k butler = wrote:


=

=
Bell Labs researcher Harry Nyquist develops Sampling = Theory. It states provides that if a signal is sampled at twice its = nominal highest frequency, the samples will contain all of the = information in the original signal.

Which is = true! Millions of mathematicians have prooved it.
=

if it was true, then you'd be able to sample a = 22049Hz pure sine wave
at 44100Hz,
(you wouldn't need a filter, as there's no = harmonics),
and then you'd be able to = re-construct it.

Fourier is about finding the amplitude of = harmonics=A0 within a = periodic signal of
known frequency.

Now, the = Nyquist Theorum refers to the possibility
of (for = instance) sampling a 22049Hz pure sine at 44098Hz
with the phase aligned correctly.
In that case we get all the information.
(i.e. the amplitude, the one thing we didn't know = already)

Proof only counts if it's relevant to the = situation.
In the case of digital audio, = that proof isn't relevant.

Which is clearly not true = :-)
There's no way to keep the phase = information for a signal sampled
at only twice = it's frequency.
Only the amplitude.
=

guess what students ask their teachers of sampling = theorems?

I have very little respect for = educational establishments :-)

but I did actually stay long = enough at college to see fourier explained


They = usually ask the same as you do and they get an answer they can = understand. You have to do the mathematics. I do not know anybody who = does the mathematics behind it, still claims that its not = possible.

What usually is forgotten, is that the Nyquist = theorem is aimed at infinite observation time.

it's = "aimed" at a periodic signal of known period,
( so it's assumed=A0 infinite)




=

= --Apple-Mail-6-198616825-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 18:58:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C383D3BED3; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <93147A2F-52DA-46CE-A465-415B790BB5E0@bartholomusic.com> References: <20051222103245.851503BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051222121715.02d6e750@tiscali.co.uk> <93147A2F-52DA-46CE-A465-415B790BB5E0@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <14A83EBA-1565-4EB1-8369-38975BFF7BD0@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: Sample rate Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:58:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:58:30 +0000 (UTC) > ..... u guys dont get the whole picture. but u still try to apply it. > why is this so hard to understand? Wow. I for one have had enough of this thread and now that it has taken a turn to insult, I vote it gets nipped. For the sake of my delete key and peace on earth. This subject can be debated, explained and misunderstood for the rest of our lives. Higher sampling rates sound better. It is up to the individual to draw the line at 'good enough'. For those who wish to understand it (or think they do) please read a book. get some graph paper, maybe an oscilloscope. Or better yet... USE YOUR EARS. please stop the madness. - b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 20:11:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8172C3BEDA; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QRtV0rdcCcV4JzrACaHpJpUk952iGZxKG+tsAtGRALazOQz8URIcNagbaOuXoMbtjR1tW9xqhocS746V3YCA1Lto0RL3b81SPE9q5gvzxe2XIn6A7Y7CqDFUEY6DFLgHFU1J85Y+iNo1R1D8/3g4/GYipoC7aHu3EK2d7/ed22M= ; Message-ID: <20051222201122.25704.qmail@web32514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:11:22 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: do they know? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-701691215-1135282282=:25515" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:11:23 +0000 (UTC) --0-701691215-1135282282=:25515 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit needs to go loopy...and make an album of it. steve via ottmarr liebert joe satriani jeff beck adrian legg adam jones al demiola mark mothersbro kieth jarret david bowie ed van halen stanley jordan david gilmore trent renzor mark knofler kirk hammet marty friedman ad rock billy corigan don vito cecil taylor les claypool neil young danny elfman maynard bobby mcferrin mickey hart jr brown if ya know about any of these folks looping,send a link. your pal, gout boy"owww my pedals" --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-701691215-1135282282=:25515 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
needs to go loopy...and make an album of it.
 
steve via                           ottmarr liebert
joe satriani                        jeff beck
adrian legg                        adam jones
al demiola                         mark mothersbro
kieth jarret                        david bowie
ed van halen                     stanley jordan
david gilmore                     trent renzor
mark knofler                      kirk hammet
marty friedman                  ad rock
billy corigan                      don vito
cecil taylor                        les claypool
neil young                         danny elfman
maynard                           bobby mcferrin
mickey hart                       jr brown
 
if ya know about any of these folks looping,send a link.
your pal,  gout boy"owww my pedals"

Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-701691215-1135282282=:25515-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 20:36:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A6F53BEF5; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: GypsiMIDI Controller... - and lowcost alternatives Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:37:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c60737$9296cd30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:36:27 +0000 (UTC) I got myself a P5 glove (by a company whose name I do not remember, but I remember a price somewhere in the $20 range). The Memory VST plugin uses it - and recently (more precisely after reading your message), I found that there are in fact glove-to-MIDI drivers available: -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net]=20 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2005 20:23 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: GypsiMIDI Controller... http://www.sonalog.com/ Interesting gesture-based MIDI controller (their site has several=20 Quicktime video demos). I especially like the vocal loop capture=20 demonstration in the "Mocap Rap" video. This might work especially well for putting a little visual interest=20 back into those "tablecore" laptop shows. Damn thing is bloody=20 expensive, though... --m. --=20 _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 20:37:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80D203BEFE; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: GypsiMIDI Controller... - and lowcost alternatives Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:39:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c60737$c007f320$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:37:40 +0000 (UTC) (the last message escaped me, sorry): I got myself a P5 glove (by a company whose name I do not remember, but I remember a price somewhere in the $20 range). The Memory VST plugin uses it - and recently (more precisely after reading your message), I found that there are in fact glove-to-MIDI drivers available: http://www.audiomulch.com/simulus/p5glove/ This looks so incredibly eighties it's awesome! -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net]=20 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2005 20:23 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: GypsiMIDI Controller... http://www.sonalog.com/ Interesting gesture-based MIDI controller (their site has several=20 Quicktime video demos). I especially like the vocal loop capture=20 demonstration in the "Mocap Rap" video. This might work especially well for putting a little visual interest=20 back into those "tablecore" laptop shows. Damn thing is bloody=20 expensive, though... --m. --=20 _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 20:55:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BED53BEDC; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006f01c6073a$184bb470$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: thanks, Bro!!! Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:55:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Doug wrote: "Cher *and* Kenny G!?!?!? At the same time? (and personally, I would have done them first to get them out of the way...) ;-)" Mind you , I just said we openend for them and for bucket loads of money, I might add. The Cher gig was sooooo bizarre................it was some opulent corporate gig and they had us play on a platform high ABOVE the audience as they entered the big arena where she was headlining............ literally on top of their heads as they walked in. It was so strange. But then , we were treated to "Do you believe" with that ground breaking (and since, highly irritating) misuse of Antares Autotune to make the warble in her voice Boy remember the fat of the land before the dot com bubble burst..........................them thar was the days!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 21:41:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BA7A3BEEC; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=DKXYegHQocIa0hhHUWJ1SHAlo+/MywNhGuFMaQJpEuRoy6L0Q5484Qi5wi/ai5pf; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:39:57 -0800 Subject: Re: concert nostalgia and name-dropping From: stanitarium To: Loopers-Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <410-220051242215735970@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48625554088f170dbdf0e56ffd6173997a93fe5b2b5bb10998350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.4.233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:41:11 +0000 (UTC) guess i should reply to a thread that includes my two guitar heroes. saw a show on tv the other day and some anthropomologist(sp) was squawking about the last few generations are all looking backwards for their icons. he said(i paraphrase) growing up in the sixties/seventies, kids had their idols who have stood the test of time-BobDylan-BobMarley-Jimi-Marvin-some authors and filmmakers i cant recall-he had a good list and now this last couple 'xyz generation's still look to these people as visionarys who have had an artistic perspective on the world we live in. i concur s (happiholidaze all you hedonists) on 12/22/05 7:07 AM, Timothy Mungenast at mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > Best of all, little kids are digging the '66-'71 thang as well. > Possibly the first time in modern history that kids are genuinely enjoying > their parents' music! > "I think I heard "Third Stone From The Sun" in a supermarket this year." > You ever hear Dick Dale's version? Respectful and powerful. > Sonic Wa, > Tim> >> [Original Message] >> From: Warren Sirota >> To: >> Date: 12/21/2005 6:41:53 PM >> Subject: RE: concert nostalgia and name-dropping >> >> It's true, in many ways we "vintage" folks (you know who you are) were >> musically lucky. >> >> I am always amazed at the persistence of 60's (by which I mean > more-or-less >> 66-71) rock in the culture - in supermarkets, on oldies stations, > whatever. >> I guess to a large extent that's a function of demographics (my >> g-g-g-generation is still the mongoose working it's way through the > snake's >> digestive system - take that metaphor in whatever way is most meaningful > and >> least disgusting to you), but I also think there was something unique > about >> the experimental nature of the music _and_ the media at that time (the > first >> days of FM rock radio were *so* much more expansive than anything you'll >> find outside of college stations today). >> >> But now - I might be mis-remembering (not so uncommon for me), but I > think I >> heard "Third Stone From The Sun" in a supermarket this year. Not a muzak >> version - the original. And I'm sure I've heard stuff like Yes, etc. >> >> And then, of course, you have early-70s Who songs completely dominating TV >> themes and commercials today (I'm still waiting for someone to use >> "Odorono"). >> >> I don't think *any* of these artists dreamed that they'd still be listened >> to 35-40 years later (or that the dessicated skins of the Rolling Stones >> would still be performing live). What a thing! >> >> Best wishes, >> Warren Sirota >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:35 PM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping >>> >>> >>> man you guys were so lucky to have seen all those >>> people,its incredible how influencial they were and >>> still are i was too young in those times to see >>> them,when i listen to syd barret it still blows my >>> mind what he was doing!although i grew up with >>> eighties music once i discover the guitar i landed >>> listening to all of those cats and after that i >>> couldn?t listen to eighites music anymore in fact i >>> hated it and thought it was all plastic pop rubbish... >>> but lately i got a bit nostalgic seeing videos from >>> gary neuman "cars" (whose voice remainds me of syd) >>> thomas dolby and "let the good times roll" by the >>> cars,stray cats and thought well shit there were a >>> couple of cool cats back then as well;-) >>> cheers >>> luis >>> >>> >>>> incredible line up >>>> how long were the loops jaco was riding? >>>> [WS: ] they were only a couple of seconds long. >>>> were you at friday night in sanfrancisco...bro? >>>> [WS: ] Funny you should ask. actually, I *was* >>>> there. great show. were >>>> *you* there? >>>> that town has had some magic musical moments in >>>> time... >>>> did floyd do "the wall"on that tour?or was that LA & >>>> new york >>>> some good ole days for sure >>>> >>>> [WS: ] The only time I ever saw Floyd was pre-Wall; >>>> I was fortunate to also >>>> be at an equally incredible concert location - the >>>> State University of NY at >>>> Stony Brook, 1968-71 (well, I guess the greater NY >>>> area gets credit, since >>>> we frequently ventured into Manhattan for some other >>>> great show). Pink Floyd >>>> gave an incredible show, but also there were *so* >>>> many other highlights: the >>>> Allmans with Duane, Alvin Lee from 10 Years After >>>> leaving the stage soaked >>>> in sweat and tears of joy, Moby Grape nearly having >>>> a fistfight on stage (on >>>> the same bill with Procol Harum), the Jefferson >>>> Airplane at their peak >>>> (right before the Airplane dissolved into the >>>> Starship), the Who (with Moon) >>>> playing Tommy start to finish, Joe Cocker twice - >>>> with the Grease Band and >>>> the travelling circus known as Mad Dogs and >>>> Englishmen (both great), and my >>>> personal favorite of the entire period, Jorma >>>> Kaukonen and Jack Cassady >>>> playing acoustic (well, not Cassady) for 4 hours >>>> straight. I think most of >>>> these concerts were probably about $10 each for >>>> students. Unfortunately, I >>>> was there a year too late to see Hendrix (but I'd >>>> seen him the year before >>>> at what is now the tennis stadium in Flushing Meadow >>>> Park, with Janis >>>> opening - or vice versa. Same summer as the Doors >>>> and the Who on one bill). >>>> I also saw Zep with Bonham elsewhere in that park. I >>>> even saw Pentangle, one >>>> of my favorite and rarely-exposed groups, at >>>> Carnegie Hall in 71. I also saw >>>> Miles, playing with most of the "Bitches Brew" band, >>>> opening(!!!) for Neil >>>> Young solo at Carnegie (or was it Fillmore East?), a >>>> great concert all >>>> around. Whew! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> www.luis-angulo.com >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 22 23:54:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3EBE3BEF0; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oV590mvCWhzalbcMUtv8v+aaV2oerjIqiVyUJn32tVuahzlCQ0PIU2EEwkrwcV/g2ycd2PQMoQKNIcve5Qcy3v22LSXHW8193kcWUi7R5OHAF+u8dxk8K4S2jiZQ3HZHcMwtXgCKkPIsTfwjYrF1Bk0Feuj+tJdREHzlk6qk2bw= ; Message-ID: <20051222235425.46768.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:54:25 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Now: concert nostalgia and name-dropping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43AAC2BB.2020206@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:54:26 +0000 (UTC) sorry didnt meant to say that,but to be more precise it was David Rhodes Paul Weller, Robert Fripp, and Dave Gregory cheers Luis --- David Beardsley wrote: > Luis Angulo wrote: > > >I just saw a live video from the band "Echo and the > >bunnymen" and i must say although i was too busy > >studying hendrix and page and ignoring the 80´s > that > >guitarrist had an incredible guitar tone,he > actually > >played with tube amps can u believe that!another > guy > >who had a really cool tone was the guitarrist from > the > >B52´s (the first album is the one )belew of course > and > >david Rhodes and paul weller guitar playing on the > >Peter Gabriels meting face album it doesn´t get any > >better than that! man i am rediscovering my times! > >Luis > > > Adrian Belew didn't play on the PG album, that was > Fripp. > > > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 00:14:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43E753BF00; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=uR7n+Y43Wh+OhFYZ2UZJ0P636+kvPJwsLxaTqbEOuPLsShpI2iULXInxxcpKN8aIUdY6s0pdb6LBocy10YtEFIMucv97r7xMkFO9FSzS1LPngoEVTfTjaxukOCf91C5yw6WyQI8OJwSrMeNuab1Tqyn4LM0w2e3NoglQ0l3kFDw= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:14:28 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-50 shows up on US website MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Still short on details though: http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 00:25:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B0693BEF8; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:32:09 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 shows up on US website To: Message-id: <001701c60758$4f9948c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <-1L1M.A.1k.AQ0qDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:25:37 +0000 (UTC) More specs here: http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/specs.html http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/images/info_04L_L.jpg http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/features.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:14 PM Subject: Boss RC-50 shows up on US website Still short on details though: http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 01:22:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D6553BEEA; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1ku3kmZGvAA7V42/IIobYKfmz28+sBc4uwPEZJAcVvH7gA6K1mhMvEC5SkFbVnGot8oMYyvKav9igyKvPWPgU+2nDV4nWupocMnO5MzH2vMw/aaCPYZG/v084/7xSKMcclvsTLyKElgW55vE+TBFIZt6kTpQJzKjVC7m0daE/sk= ; Message-ID: <20051223012236.45189.qmail@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:22:36 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 shows up on US website To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-669618003-1135300956=:42239" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:22:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-669618003-1135300956=:42239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit thats it ...im gettin one one should be enough. ill still respect edps & looperlatives in the morning. use dl4 for delay"imagine that"into the rc 50.what more could a looper ask? i know -an inner oblongatta music interface...but till then switches and knobs will suffice. Travis Hartnett wrote: Still short on details though: http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-669618003-1135300956=:42239 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
thats it ...im gettin one
one should be enough.
ill still respect edps & looperlatives in the morning.
use dl4 for delay"imagine that"into the rc 50.what more could a looper ask?
i know -an inner oblongatta music interface...but till then switches and knobs will suffice.


Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
Still short on details though:

http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/


Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-669618003-1135300956=:42239-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 01:32:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D5EC3BEE9; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 23 Dec 2005 01:32:16 GMT From: john floridis Subject: Rc50 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2005 01:32:16.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[B53AC3E0:01C60760] Resent-Message-ID: <3xaELD.A.QNC.iO1qDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:32:18 +0000 (UTC) I'm assuming with the ability to have 3 seperate phrases, that they can be of different lengths? but one should not assume.... Jflo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 01:40:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 446583BF04; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AB557E.8070503@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:40:14 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 shows up on US website References: <001701c60758$4f9948c0$0affff0a@hppav> In-Reply-To: <001701c60758$4f9948c0$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Still no word on feedback control. Anybody see it in there? I don't :( David Kirkdorffer wrote: >More specs here: > >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/specs.html >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/images/info_04L_L.jpg >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/features.html > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Travis Hartnett" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:14 PM >Subject: Boss RC-50 shows up on US website > > >Still short on details though: > >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 01:47:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E84423BF0C; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Boss RC-50 shows up without feedback control Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:46:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <43AB557E.8070503@pdq.net> Thread-Index: AcYHYZM7fbpSI3CtQ626rVG7EN+fbAAAPwcQ Message-Id: <20051223014706.JLRO25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, kind of a deal breaker--altho might be fun to run an EDP into-- Gary -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox Still no word on feedback control. Anybody see it in there? I don't :( David Kirkdorffer wrote: >More specs here: > >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/specs.html >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/images/info_04L_L.jpg >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/features.html > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Travis Hartnett" > > >Still short on details though: > >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 02:33:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3980D3BEE4; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MpmjqIE/Hj58lPZWjZLsCXtIsH1ars4PaTeip+DZ9DNwiAzEWaB6wr8zI9BsEK/XrkDA84LwXPmN+w91fpucCumcHvqH6+MgL45rhl3DQOXfLT0wkfEiFMcTpaEri4d6SrMfRVYH2CjFJ1IXf0vN/QzZ0WupWfTaDXH3NoktQk0= ; Message-ID: <20051223023307.62130.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:33:07 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 shows up without feedback control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051223014706.JLRO25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-426249247-1135305187=:61908" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:33:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-426249247-1135305187=:61908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit oh yeah,my next looper gots to have feedback controll.ya feel me?probably wont run on batteries any who...sure dont look it."sigh" what are my alternatives besides a big ole car/marine battery?ive already got my bicycle trailer loaded with a guitar,micro-cube,dl4,and a volume pedal,none of which i consider light going uphill...a big battery just isnt going to work... can i rig up some kind of alternate power supply to run say...a rc 50 or one the two rack units edp/looperlative with just a handfull of c-batteries? im goin to have to figure somethin out by the time the weather breaks. eating cherries and typing, danny. Gary Lehmann wrote: Yeah, kind of a deal breaker--altho might be fun to run an EDP into-- Gary -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox Still no word on feedback control. Anybody see it in there? I don't :( David Kirkdorffer wrote: >More specs here: > >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/specs.html >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/images/info_04L_L.jpg >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/features.html > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Travis Hartnett" > > >Still short on details though: > >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-426249247-1135305187=:61908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
oh yeah,my next looper gots to have feedback controll.ya feel me?probably wont run on batteries any who...sure dont look it."sigh"
what are my alternatives besides a big ole car/marine battery?ive already got my bicycle trailer loaded with a guitar,micro-cube,dl4,and a volume pedal,none of which i consider light going uphill...a big battery just isnt going to work...
can i rig up some kind of alternate power supply  to run say...a rc 50 or one  the two rack units edp/looperlative with just a handfull of c-batteries?
im goin to have to figure somethin out by the time the weather breaks.
 
 
eating cherries and typing,
                                        danny.

Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:
Yeah, kind of a deal breaker--altho might be fun to run an EDP into--
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Cox

Still no word on feedback control. Anybody see it in there? I don't :(

David Kirkdorffer wrote:

>More specs here:
>
>http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/specs.html
>http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/images/info_04L_L.jpg
>http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/features.html
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Travis Hartnett"
>
>
>Still short on details though:
>
>http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/




Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-426249247-1135305187=:61908-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 04:46:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D45A3BEDC; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <190.4e753b04.30dcdb26@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:46:30 EST Subject: Re: concert nostalgia and name-dropping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_190.4e753b04.30dcdb26_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <_8YRVC.A.GfG.sE4qDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:46:37 +0000 (UTC) --part1_190.4e753b04.30dcdb26_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Some of you all may groan at what i'm about to say. Perhaps I say it 'cause=20= I=20 never opened for Santana (or Cher) or anyone else most folks have heard of.=20 So, y'all can take the following with a grain of salt. I can die a happy man (please, not soon though Lord, I hope) because I've=20 "opened" for . . . or shared a stage with . . . folks that next to nobody ou= tside=20 of this list (comparatively) have really ever heard of. It has been my sincere and great privilege to know and to have heard play=20 live and up close . . . in no particular order other than the randome firing= s of=20 these old synapses in abjsect gratitude: Rick Walker Bill Walker Kris Hartung Michael Klobuchar Stan Card Max Valentino Matthias Grob Bernhard Wagner James Sidlo Warren Sirrota Mark Hamburg Steve Lawson Matt Davignon Ryusei Hattori Dan Soltzberg Jon Wagner Richard Zvonar Amy X Nueberg Andre LaFosse Zoe Keating Hans Lindauer Wayne Jackson George Demarest Brian Kenny Fresno John Whooly Gareth Whittock Kid Beyond Kitundu Sunao Inami . . . and a whole lot more whom you'll have to forgive me for not mentioning= . Just 'cuz y'all weren't music idols whose names were writ large across the=20 national consciousness and musical landscape doen't mean that someday some o= ld=20 geezer (me, hopefully) will not fondly "remember when" back to the halcyon d= ays=20 of the ''80s, 90s and '00s (zeros?) when looping way still relatively new=20 (and nobody knew which way it'd go) all of these people were actually invent= ing=20 different little bit's of it's vernacular language. And lets not forget our LD list host/moderator Kim Flint. I've never heard=20 him play. I don't know what he plays, in fact. But he's responsible for the=20 creation of this forum and community and had no small part in making the EDP= what=20 it 's been. The very idea kicks my ass whenever I think of it. Y'all have a great holiday season . . . whichever holiday it is (or none) an= d=20 may we all have a great 2006 to look forward to. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_190.4e753b04.30dcdb26_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

Some of you all may groan at what i'm about to say. Perhaps I say it 'cause=20= I never opened for Santana (or Cher) or anyone else most folks have heard of= . So, y'all can take the following with a grain of salt.

I can die a happy man (please, not soon though Lord, I hope) because I've "o= pened" for . . . or shared a stage with . . . folks that next to nobody outs= ide of this list (comparatively) have really ever heard of.

It has been my sincere and great privilege to know and to have heard play li= ve and up close . . . in no particular order other than the randome firings=20= of these old synapses in abjsect gratitude:

Rick Walker
Bill Walker
Kris Hartung
Michael Klobuchar
Stan Card
Max Valentino
Matthias Grob
Bernhard Wagner
James Sidlo
Warren Sirrota
Mark Hamburg
Steve Lawson
Matt Davignon
Ryusei Hattori
Dan Soltzberg
Jon Wagner
Richard Zvonar
Amy X Nueberg
Andre LaFosse
Zoe Keating
Hans Lindauer
Wayne Jackson
George Demarest
Brian Kenny Fresno
John Whooly
Gareth Whittock
Kid Beyond
Kitundu
Sunao Inami

. . . and a whole lot more whom you'll have to forgive me for not mentioning= .

Just 'cuz y'all weren't music idols whose names were writ large across the n= ational consciousness and musical landscape doen't mean that someday some ol= d geezer (me, hopefully) will not fondly "remember when" back to the halcyon= days of  the ''80s, 90s and '00s (zeros?) when looping way still rela= tively new (and nobody knew which way it'd go) all of these people were actu= ally inventing different little bit's of it's vernacular language.

And lets not forget our LD list host/moderator Kim Flint. I've never heard h= im play. I don't know what he plays, in fact. But he's responsible for the c= reation of this forum and community and had no small part in making the EDP=20= what it 's been. The very idea kicks my ass whenever I think of it.

Y'all have a great holiday season . . . whichever holiday it is (or none) an= d may we all have a great 2006 to look forward to.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_190.4e753b04.30dcdb26_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 07:01:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ABBF3BEE9; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Fripp quote Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:00:34 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01c6078e$9332ac80$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002e01c6070e$934ef640$9715be18@oemcomputer> Thread-Index: AcYHjQVuhxnU9qjJTiGzVxGv9rp5awAAJAIw X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:59:40 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.79.214 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:01:00 +0000 (UTC) and here's his unusual but beautiful livelooping from December 11 ... http://www.dgmlive.com/archive.htm?artist=14&show=1025 -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 07:13:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 376793BEDD; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jYaG3UGUfT3KuLOqi4ubVj0nmMoD1C8yb6/ramOwP1CI/r4Y9XGZVYISikaw77iCKIKkQURDO9/ayWiRxE/n6klyRsCgMbai0QmOPewAezNhKhyW0Ebe3y9FsM/62dTkt4wUjKYUU8kZ0z35egyH7PR1G9WQjZkzg9F9PtCYiSw= ; Message-ID: <20051223071309.44122.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:13:08 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: thanks, Bro!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007b01c606dc$d57a6d60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:13:15 +0000 (UTC) I'm gonna cry. ;) --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Bill Walker wrote: > "fond indeed. We got to see so much great music back > then, I feel lucky. > Like > the first Mahavishnu Orchestra Tour, and some of the > early ECM stuff like > Eberhard Weber and Ralph Towner and John > Abercrombie, those were mind > altering experiences to say the least." > > > Yeah, bro, not to mention Weather Report, Chick > Corea and Return to > Forever, Shakti, Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius and > going back further: > Jeff Beck, Yes, Jethro Tull, Emerson Lake and > Palmer, Earth Wind and Fire, > Cream, the Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother with > Janis, > It's a Beautiful Day, Simon and Garfunkel, Crosby > Stills, Nash and Young and > even further back: Peter Paul and Mary > (oh my god.................did I admit that? > ) and a zillion other > gigs too numerous for me to remember. > > I also feel pretty damned good that I have shared > so many wonderful gigs > with you over the years, Bill, whether > seeing them or playing them............... playing > with Babatunde Olatunji, > Tao Chemical, Rhythmical, Worlds Collide, Third > Wave, Two, Walkers > ....................opening in those bands for King > Sunny Ade, Youssou > Ndour, Thomas Mapfumo, The Thompson Twins, Berlin, > Santana, Huey Lewis and > the News, the Neville Brothers, Bonie Raitt, > Jackson Browne, Loggins and > Messina..........................fucking Cher and > Kenny G (lol, I saved > those two for last, perversely)............so many > friggin' gigs. > > We grew up together and I feel blessed to have > played with such an amazingly > talented and truly creative musician. > > I love you and I don't mind saying it in public! > Thanks for sharing so > much of my musical life with me, bro! > > Rick > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 08:16:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6728C3BEDF; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5+IE1OlfgkUmJYsj50QhzvsVsD4diDEvSjvBEAa3E480mbe/Ifmqv3tJnzemQ7zrX9EReL4aEAyC6wbn3AR+a58ZJBBPnk3XhdNaAcOdqZFxXgOy2SEEWL+TIFhJrWyC+xZEuEUiMM5afhqi/X/25XWeTwQIphSTVL0jXnooma0= ; Message-ID: <20051223081613.16251.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:16:13 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: GypsiMIDI Controller... - and lowcost alternatives To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c60737$9296cd30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Woah, the p5 glove sure has come down a lot... anyone do stuff with MIDI and a Macintosh on one of those? That sure seems FUN.... In your face Pamela Z! --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I got myself a P5 glove (by a company whose name I > do not remember, but > I remember a price somewhere in the $20 range). > The Memory VST plugin uses it - and recently (more > precisely after > reading your message), I found that there are in > fact glove-to-MIDI > drivers available: > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2005 20:23 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: GypsiMIDI Controller... > > > http://www.sonalog.com/ > > Interesting gesture-based MIDI controller (their > site has several > Quicktime video demos). I especially like the vocal > loop capture > demonstration in the "Mocap Rap" video. > > This might work especially well for putting a little > visual interest > back into those "tablecore" laptop shows. Damn > thing is bloody > expensive, though... > > --m. > > -- > _______ > "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 11:06:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 125943BEEA; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001001c607b0$ef975a30$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20051222201122.25704.qmail@web32514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: do they know? Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:06:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:06:39 +0000 (UTC) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Nobody _needs_ to be loopy what can loop add to their mastery? they already know how to play and comunicate they already can play enough notes at the same time their sound pallette is already grown up every body needs to have a red banjo, a big nose and speak with a waliser accent Clawwdi ----- Original Message ----- From: "daniel stevenson" To: Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: do they know? needs to go loopy...and make an album of it. steve via ottmarr liebert joe satriani jeff beck adrian legg adam jones al demiola mark mothersbro kieth jarret david bowie ed van halen stanley jordan david gilmore trent renzor mark knofler kirk hammet marty friedman ad rock billy corigan don vito cecil taylor les claypool neil young danny elfman maynard bobby mcferrin mickey hart jr brown if ya know about any of these folks looping,send a link. your pal, gout boy"owww my pedals" --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 12:16:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1CA43BEFF; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:16:06 +0100 Message-Id: <280781232@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: RPGfreak@web.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi, has anyone seen Fripp's new rig on his site or even heard it? What does he use now? Why no more TC 2290? Can Eventide do the same? And a question: How did his old rig work? Did he use the TC2290 serial or did he ffed different audio to different delays? And whate were the Eventides and Roland Preamps for? Thanks for you answers and I wish you a blessed Channukah or Christmas. - Simon __________________________________________________________________ Nur bis 31.12.: 1&1 DSL mit WEB.DE Preisvorteil! Jetzt einsteigen und die Vorteile sichern! http://1und1dsl.web.de/?mc=021130 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 13:35:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4683B3BF01; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:36:48 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: concert nostalgia and name-dropping In-reply-to: <190.4e753b04.30dcdb26@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01b001c607c5$eca81cf0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rHxD8gYJoehj8dRKYK7T1w)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:35:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_rHxD8gYJoehj8dRKYK7T1w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Well said, Ted. Amen. Warren -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: concert nostalgia and name-dropping Hi all, Some of you all may groan at what i'm about to say. Perhaps I say it 'cause I never opened for Santana (or Cher) or anyone else most folks have heard of. So, y'all can take the following with a grain of salt. I can die a happy man (please, not soon though Lord, I hope) because I've "opened" for . . . or shared a stage with . . . folks that next to nobody outside of this list (comparatively) have really ever heard of. It has been my sincere and great privilege to know and to have heard play live and up close . . . in no particular order other than the randome firings of these old synapses in abjsect gratitude: Rick Walker Bill Walker Kris Hartung Michael Klobuchar Stan Card Max Valentino Matthias Grob Bernhard Wagner James Sidlo Warren Sirrota Mark Hamburg Steve Lawson Matt Davignon Ryusei Hattori Dan Soltzberg Jon Wagner Richard Zvonar Amy X Nueberg Andre LaFosse Zoe Keating Hans Lindauer Wayne Jackson George Demarest Brian Kenny Fresno John Whooly Gareth Whittock Kid Beyond Kitundu Sunao Inami . . . and a whole lot more whom you'll have to forgive me for not mentioning. Just 'cuz y'all weren't music idols whose names were writ large across the national consciousness and musical landscape doen't mean that someday some old geezer (me, hopefully) will not fondly "remember when" back to the halcyon days of the ''80s, 90s and '00s (zeros?) when looping way still relatively new (and nobody knew which way it'd go) all of these people were actually inventing different little bit's of it's vernacular language. And lets not forget our LD list host/moderator Kim Flint. I've never heard him play. I don't know what he plays, in fact. But he's responsible for the creation of this forum and community and had no small part in making the EDP what it 's been. The very idea kicks my ass whenever I think of it. Y'all have a great holiday season . . . whichever holiday it is (or none) and may we all have a great 2006 to look forward to. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Boundary_(ID_rHxD8gYJoehj8dRKYK7T1w) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
Well said, Ted. Amen.
 
Warren
-----Original Message-----
From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:46 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: concert nostalgia and name-dropping

Hi all,

Some of you all may groan at what i'm about to say. Perhaps I say it 'cause I never opened for Santana (or Cher) or anyone else most folks have heard of. So, y'all can take the following with a grain of salt.

I can die a happy man (please, not soon though Lord, I hope) because I've "opened" for . . . or shared a stage with . . . folks that next to nobody outside of this list (comparatively) have really ever heard of.

It has been my sincere and great privilege to know and to have heard play live and up close . . . in no particular order other than the randome firings of these old synapses in abjsect gratitude:

Rick Walker
Bill Walker
Kris Hartung
Michael Klobuchar
Stan Card
Max Valentino
Matthias Grob
Bernhard Wagner
James Sidlo
Warren Sirrota
Mark Hamburg
Steve Lawson
Matt Davignon
Ryusei Hattori
Dan Soltzberg
Jon Wagner
Richard Zvonar
Amy X Nueberg
Andre LaFosse
Zoe Keating
Hans Lindauer
Wayne Jackson
George Demarest
Brian Kenny Fresno
John Whooly
Gareth Whittock
Kid Beyond
Kitundu
Sunao Inami

. . . and a whole lot more whom you'll have to forgive me for not mentioning.

Just 'cuz y'all weren't music idols whose names were writ large across the national consciousness and musical landscape doen't mean that someday some old geezer (me, hopefully) will not fondly "remember when" back to the halcyon days of  the ''80s, 90s and '00s (zeros?) when looping way still relatively new (and nobody knew which way it'd go) all of these people were actually inventing different little bit's of it's vernacular language.

And lets not forget our LD list host/moderator Kim Flint. I've never heard him play. I don't know what he plays, in fact. But he's responsible for the creation of this forum and community and had no small part in making the EDP what it 's been. The very idea kicks my ass whenever I think of it.

Y'all have a great holiday season . . . whichever holiday it is (or none) and may we all have a great 2006 to look forward to.

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
--Boundary_(ID_rHxD8gYJoehj8dRKYK7T1w)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 15:23:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 712CE3BF08; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:03:43 -0500 Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions From: Craig Mitchell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <280781232@web.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3218177024_137917_MIME_Part" X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <_epadC.A.2AG.DaBrDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:23:47 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3218177024_137917_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I do know that Robert Fripp uses a Swtichblade switching system. (www.soundsculpture.com) The best switching system on the planet. Ken the owner is a first class guy too. I have the 16 channel model and you can route anything anywhere. Fade things in and out via expression pedals, etc. Craig on 12/23/05 7:16 AM, RPGfreak@web.de at RPGfreak@web.de wrote: > Hi, > > has anyone seen Fripp's new rig on his site or even heard it? What does he use > now? Why no more TC 2290? Can Eventide do the same? > And a question: How did his old rig work? Did he use the TC2290 serial or did > he ffed different audio to different delays? And whate were the Eventides and > Roland Preamps for? > > Thanks for you answers and I wish you a blessed Channukah or Christmas. > > - Simon > __________________________________________________________________ > Nur bis 31.12.: 1&1 DSL mit WEB.DE Preisvorteil! Jetzt einsteigen > und die Vorteile sichern! http://1und1dsl.web.de/?mc=021130 --MS_Mac_OE_3218177024_137917_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions
I do know that Robert Fripp uses a Swtichblade switching system. (www.so= undsculpture.com)

The best switching system on the planet. Ken the owner is a first class guy= too. I have the 16 channel model and you can route anything anywhere. Fade = things in and out via expression pedals, etc.

Craig


on 12/23/05 7:16 AM, RPGfreak@web.de at RPGfreak@web.de wrote:

> Hi,
>
> has anyone seen Fripp's new rig on his site or even heard it? What doe= s he use
> now? Why no more TC 2290? Can Eventide do the same?
> And a question: How did his old rig work? Did he use the TC2290 serial= or did
> he ffed different audio to different delays? And whate were the Eventi= des and
> Roland Preamps for?
>
> Thanks for you answers and I wish you a blessed Channukah or Christmas= .
>
> - Simon
> __________________________________________________________________
> Nur bis 31.12.: 1&1 DSL mit WEB.DE Preisvorteil! Jetzt einsteigen =
> und die Vorteile sichern! http://1und1dsl.web.de/?mc=3D021130
--MS_Mac_OE_3218177024_137917_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 15:33:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76BB33BF01; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AHoUAPiiq0OCFIUqARMLJg Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051223153231.02881760@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051223153207.027f43e0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:32:48 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight- From: a k butler Subject: LiveLooping cd review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:33:17 +0000 (UTC) http://www.andybutler.com/gifs/review1.jpg from a newspaper called the EDP (Eastern Daily Press) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 15:54:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADC7C3BF14; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:56:12 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: LiveLooping cd review In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.0.20051223153231.02881760@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000b01c607d9$664bd020$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Nice. Congrats. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 10:33 AM > To: Loopers-Delight- > Subject: LiveLooping cd review > > > > > http://www.andybutler.com/gifs/review1.jpg > > from a newspaper called the EDP > (Eastern Daily Press) > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 16:01:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7165F3BF1C; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AC1F97.4030802@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:02:31 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #456 for December 22, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:01:52 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/051222.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #456 December 22, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Gert Emmens. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Wanderer of Time" on Groove Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Schwingungen" by Ash Ra Tempel on Ohr Records and released in 1972. Gert Emmens - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Ash Ra Tempel Schwingungen * Schwingungen (Ohr) Gert Emmens Nostalgia When Darkness Falls Upon the Earth (Groove) Polaris Takeoff Moo'n'sequences (none) Juergen Haible Untitled Soundscapes The Secret Life of Trees++ (none) Parallel Worlds Dreamstate Far Away Light (Shima) Craig Padilla and Leaving This Shadow of Path of Least Resistance Zero Ohms Heaven (Lotuspike) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Gert Emmens Wanderer of Time Wanderer of Time (Groove) Gert Emmens Gaspra Wanderer of Time (Groove) Gert Emmens Alien Matter Wanderer of Time (Groove) Gert Emmens Elektra World Wanderer of Time (Groove) Gert Emmens The Voyage of Voyager I* Wanderer of Time (Groove) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Gert Emmens. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Obscure Movements in Twilight Shades" on Groove Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Zuckerzeit" by Cluster on Brain Records and released in 1974. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 16:58:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D17FD3BF0F; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:59:14 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: What's wrong with loops In-reply-to: <190.4e753b04.30dcdb26@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000d01c607e2$34782450$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:58:41 +0000 (UTC) check this out: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8685 Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 17:14:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 327D83BF12; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84E16@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:22:14 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <7t0ds.A.k_.QCDrDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Isn't that "Come Out" only explores phasing? No Harmony there. I love Steve Reich's music but what is he saying by "with inteligence"? Very Best, Ariel Rzezak Bedelia UCES Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] Enviado el: Viernes, 23 de Diciembre de 2005 01:59 p.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: What's wrong with loops check this out: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8685 Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 17:21:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDD213BF15; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:21:10 +0000 Message-Id: <122320051721.17358.43AC32060008931E000043CE21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Cool article...thanks for that link, Warren. My approach to looping has always been to use actual chord progressions, repeated like in a normal jazz performance. It can be done quite easily, really, but I guess a lot of people just don't do it. Play in some kind of bass+chords or drums+bass+chords, etc accompaniment and loop it back. I've been messing with my NeKo for the past couple of weeks and was strugging to try to figure out how to record loops of my Reaktor guitar processing, Reaktor big band horns, B4 organ and Battery drum machine. A couple of days ago I installed the demo version of Ableton Live that came with the NeKo. I hadn't ever used that before...WOW! What an amazing program. I will be able to use this to run all the plugins and record the loops on the fly, and everything can be controlled from external MIDI control messages. I ordered the real thing last night. In my big band synth there is a sequencer that stores the chord progression for the song so that the automatic harmonizer will know how to voice the chords under the lead line you play into it (I use a wind controller for this). That can easily be synched up in Live..I had it partially working last night. Then I can record the horns onto an audio track and lay down more horns on top of it without having to have multiple instances of Reaktor open. This rocks! What I'm aiming for with the big band synth is riffing arrangements like the Count Basie tunes from the late 1930s with Lester Young on tenor: ...with the saxes, trumpets and trombones playing different rhythms. Looks like I will not only be able to do these, but to make them up on the spot if I want, following the pre-programmed chord progression. This is pretty exciting! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 17:24:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FD603BF1B; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=H/lA6C4MXAY++xmpZd+7yDxF9RI6PuOW3wd6K9/tcNpUXt5AMRVNgkRE++JSKPhKpRL4xFffRxx8QBIWJGl9pBOM/dbSEKShDrnBOwvugocxWF3kBRVzNLTN4PKuVITZ4399bo0XoA0MGKcAYHQnYzYAcjA0mW6qpyNYqGlsjIc= ; Message-ID: <20051223172412.48873.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:24:12 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: LiveLooping cd review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c607d9$664bd020$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:24:14 +0000 (UTC) I agree yes! congrats Andy Luis --- Warren Sirota wrote: > Nice. Congrats. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 10:33 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight- > > Subject: LiveLooping cd review > > > > > > > > > > http://www.andybutler.com/gifs/review1.jpg > > > > from a newspaper called the EDP > > (Eastern Daily Press) > > > > andy > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 17:37:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 124173BF01; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:44:10 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions To: Message-id: <002501c607e8$7b88ae40$05a5a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <280781232@web.de> Resent-Message-ID: <_DKwRB.A.pHC.fXDrDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Back in the day, Fripp had four TC2290's - i think hooked up in stereo-pairs. He bought some Gibson EDP's and stated he thought they were very powerful looping tools but decided he could not use them because the sound quality was not high enough for him. Comment on EDPs and pictures of his rig: from August, 2005 - http://www.dgmlive.com/word.htm?review=1722 Not sure if this is what he is using currently. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 7:16 AM Subject: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions > Hi, > > has anyone seen Fripp's new rig on his site or even heard it? What does he use now? Why no more TC 2290? Can Eventide do the same? > And a question: How did his old rig work? Did he use the TC2290 serial or did he ffed different audio to different delays? And whate were the Eventides and Roland Preamps for? > > Thanks for you answers and I wish you a blessed Channukah or Christmas. > > - Simon > __________________________________________________________________ > Nur bis 31.12.: 1&1 DSL mit WEB.DE Preisvorteil! Jetzt einsteigen > und die Vorteile sichern! http://1und1dsl.web.de/?mc=021130 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 17:39:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD3ED3BF2A; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: thanks, Bro!!! Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:39:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <007b01c606dc$d57a6d60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Wow, thanks for the lovely words, I feel very fortunate to have done and shared those things with you, as well, But did you have to mention Cher and Kenny G? Now no one will think we are cool:) Oh well I guess I'll just open up another yoo-hoo , eat a moon pie, and listen to Peter Paul and Mary. Puff the magic Dragon........,. Bill -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:48 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: thanks, Bro!!! Bill Walker wrote: "fond indeed. We got to see so much great music back then, I feel lucky. Like the first Mahavishnu Orchestra Tour, and some of the early ECM stuff like Eberhard Weber and Ralph Towner and John Abercrombie, those were mind altering experiences to say the least." Yeah, bro, not to mention Weather Report, Chick Corea and Return to Forever, Shakti, Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius and going back further: Jeff Beck, Yes, Jethro Tull, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Earth Wind and Fire, Cream, the Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother with Janis, It's a Beautiful Day, Simon and Garfunkel, Crosby Stills, Nash and Young and even further back: Peter Paul and Mary (oh my god.................did I admit that? ) and a zillion other gigs too numerous for me to remember. I also feel pretty damned good that I have shared so many wonderful gigs with you over the years, Bill, whether seeing them or playing them............... playing with Babatunde Olatunji, Tao Chemical, Rhythmical, Worlds Collide, Third Wave, Two, Walkers ....................opening in those bands for King Sunny Ade, Youssou Ndour, Thomas Mapfumo, The Thompson Twins, Berlin, Santana, Huey Lewis and the News, the Neville Brothers, Bonie Raitt, Jackson Browne, Loggins and Messina..........................fucking Cher and Kenny G (lol, I saved those two for last, perversely)............so many friggin' gigs. We grew up together and I feel blessed to have played with such an amazingly talented and truly creative musician. I love you and I don't mind saying it in public! Thanks for sharing so much of my musical life with me, bro! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 17:44:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B76BA3BEC2; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c213RkAwQm016x/0rDPzpBunsFC25nyxl7j2UzaY/U5qEgX8LKRk/fxXQltH42h02VCHmFAxH8vOsa4xB/exnf/puU0Pq73IRAPXwLhXW8e6UvC1KSjHRQahOOaU9cUCxXJNZ9SyQ7FTH9o8ArDEaBTILf65GuSd5ksQS5Ctlyw= Message-ID: <64b81a780512230944j79609bd7x5219e98ce173a8bc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:44:50 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 shows up on US website In-Reply-To: <43AB557E.8070503@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <001701c60758$4f9948c0$0affff0a@hppav> <43AB557E.8070503@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:44:52 +0000 (UTC) The good news is that "It's the best live looping tool ever built" and the "new industry-leading looper." Thank god "The Ultimate Looper Has Arrived." I guess we can all sell our EDPs, Repeaters, Jammen, Boomerangs, dl4s, etc. Oh, and stop production on that Looperlative, unless you've designed in the "more ultimate" feature. :) Wow, don't ya' love marketting speak? Todd On 12/22/05, Doug Cox wrote: > Still no word on feedback control. Anybody see it in there? I don't :( > > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > >More specs here: > > > >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/specs.html > >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/images/info_04L_L.jpg > >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/features.html > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Travis Hartnett" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:14 PM > >Subject: Boss RC-50 shows up on US website > > > > > >Still short on details though: > > > >http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/ > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 17:52:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B6213BF29; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 23 Dec 2005 17:52:40 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:52:40 -0500 Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051223175240.1624986B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, And he probably also gets bored when Mark Rothko only used one or two= blocks of color in a painting when he could be painting all kinds=20 of "happy little trees". Sheesh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What's wrong with loops Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:59:14 -0500 >=20 > check this out: >=20 > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8685 >=20 >=20 > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 17:58:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D3A53BF2F; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:04:42 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops To: Message-id: <003d01c607eb$5996c580$05a5a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051223175240.1624986B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Why I like about performing within a looping world is it has helped me learn how to slow down time. Maybe I hear more when things slow down. Maybe I breathe better. Maybe I become a little detoxified from my regular diet of overstimulation well represented by listening to 5 radio stations in 1 minute. ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe rut" To: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops Yeah, And he probably also gets bored when Mark Rothko only used one or two blocks of color in a painting when he could be painting all kinds of "happy little trees". Sheesh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What's wrong with loops Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:59:14 -0500 > > check this out: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8685 > > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 18:00:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B90873BF3B; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: LiveLooping cd review Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:59:52 +0100 Message-ID: <00b001c607ea$b53e52a0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051223153231.02881760@tiscali.co.uk> Thread-Index: AcYH6eJdpX766wANTwWZP5mBvBlVlwAAJd+A X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:59:11 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.85.128 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <5ECfKC.A.sMD.PtDrDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:00:47 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: LiveLooping cd review > from a newspaper called the EDP > (Eastern Daily Press) I would not have expected less from a newspaper called EDP !! :-) congrats Andy -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 18:10:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B70E3BF19; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:10:32 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 shows up on US website In-reply-to: <64b81a780512230944j79609bd7x5219e98ce173a8bc@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43AC3D98.8080700@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <001701c60758$4f9948c0$0affff0a@hppav> <43AB557E.8070503@pdq.net> <64b81a780512230944j79609bd7x5219e98ce173a8bc@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Todd Pafford wrote: > The good news is that "It's the best live looping tool ever built" and > the "new industry-leading looper." Thank god "The Ultimate Looper Has > Arrived." I guess we can all sell our EDPs, Repeaters, Jammen, > Boomerangs, dl4s, etc. Oh, and stop production on that Looperlative, > unless you've designed in the "more ultimate" feature. :) > > Wow, don't ya' love marketting speak? But they left out my personal favorite, "limited only by your imagination". So I guess there is at least one more level of ultimate. Seriously though, besides feedback I didn't see anything resembling Multiply which I've come to consider essential in a looper. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 18:15:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EBB83BF34; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:15:37 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops In-reply-to: <003d01c607eb$5996c580$05a5a344@hppav> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000e01c607ec$dfed3960$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Might I suggest that people post their comments on David's blog? There's a "post reply" button on that page. Or would that just be taking the bait? (and here I go violating that suggestion) I think, really, that he's probably heard only canned loopers, not live ones. That would go a ways to explain his perception of the static-ness of it. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 1:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops > > > Why I like about performing within a looping world is it has > helped me learn how to slow down time. Maybe I hear more > when things slow down. Maybe I breathe better. Maybe I > become a little detoxified from my regular diet of > overstimulation well represented by listening to 5 radio > stations in 1 minute. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joe rut" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:52 PM > Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops > > > Yeah, And he probably also gets bored when Mark Rothko only > used one or two blocks of color in a painting when he could > be painting all kinds of "happy little trees". Sheesh. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Sirota" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: What's wrong with loops > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:59:14 -0500 > > > > > check this out: > > > > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8685 > > > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. > -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.c om/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 18:24:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C6233BF18; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <280781232@web.de> References: <280781232@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:21:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:24:45 +0000 (UTC) > > has anyone seen Fripp's new rig on his site or even heard it? What > does he use now? Why no more TC 2290? Can Eventide do the same? What kind of Eventide does he have? I'm guessing he has an H8000. If so, then it has a 2290 sim in it. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 18:59:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B6B73BF19; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 23 Dec 2005 18:58:58 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:58:57 -0500 Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051223185857.03122CA08E@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:59:01 +0000 (UTC) What did the Deadhead say when the acid wore off? Wow, these guys can't play! What did the raver say when the ecstasy wore off? Wow, this music is really boring and repeptitive. What do these jokes have to do with David Battino's article "What's Wrong W= ith Loops"? Well, I think every person I have heard tell a variation on this joke (and = it has been a few) has missed what this joke form really can tell us about= =20 music. Everyone I've heard tell these jokes seems to think that what the j= oke says is that A) the Grateful Dead couldn't play, or B) techno music is= =20 repetitive and boring. What this joke form points out to me is that music is only relevant within = a context. Drugs (LSD and others in the case of the Dead, and ecstasy/ speed and others in the case of techno) were vital to creating the context = in which the music was created, and often appreciated. I'm not making=20 a value judgment on the use of drugs here, only pointing out from a sociolo= gical perspective one very obvious example of a "context" for music.=20=20 Someone "outside" that context will not appreciate the music in the same wa= y as someone inside that context (not that they cannot find their own=20 ways to appreciate it). Other "contexts" that might guide what people like/dislike about forms of m= usic might include: A deeply ingrained feeling that all is right with the world. A deeply ingrained feeling that the world is a piece of shit. A belief, or lack thereof, in a kind, loving supreme being. Lots of coffee. People who don't use their turn signal. A fixation on "intellect". A fixation on "emotion". A belief that music is only meaningful with chord progressions. An aptitude for higher mathmatics. Hatred of numbers of any kind. Blah, Blah, Blah. The list is infinite. Anyway, when I read about David Battino and Jim AIkin "Realiz[ing] what was= missing" in the loop music they were listening to on podcsats, my=20 first question (as it *always* is in these cases) is: "What is missing in t= heir context?" Maybe I would feel the same way about the particular loops to which they li= stened (that something was missing). But I always try to explore *why*=20 a piece of music works or does not work for me. For me, the answer is *nev= er* something missing in the music. The answer is *always*=20 something missing in the context. OK. Maybe not *always*. I forget how = my brain works and shift into *objective mode* sometimes (usually=20 when discussing music over a pint of Guiness). But I try to stay aware tha= t my feelings on anything are the result of an interaction between the=20 thing and myself. I find I can learn quite a bit by exploring what it is a= bout my context that makes a piece of music work or not work for me. In=20 becoming aware of *why* something does not work for me, I begin to understa= nd that thing/myself better. Somtimes that exploration leads me=20 to even change my mind about the thing. I do like that David Battino says "it just doesn't work for *me*"(emphasis = added), and that Jim points out that it is possible (if difficult) to const= ruct=20 a musical journey without the semantic and syntax of chord progressions. I= think the article is fair in that it does seem to acknowledge=20 subjectivity This is just what popped into my head when reading it. What did the music critic say after his preconceptions wore off? Hmmmmm. That might be interesting. Cheers Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:15:37 -0500 >=20 > Might I suggest that people post their comments on David's blog? There's a > "post reply" button on that page. Or would that just be taking the bait? >=20 > (and here I go violating that suggestion) > I think, really, that he's probably heard only canned loopers, not live > ones. That would go a ways to explain his perception of the static-ness of > it. >=20 > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent:=20 > > Friday, December 23, 2005 1:05 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops > > > > > > Why I like about performing within a looping world is it has=20 > > helped me learn how to slow down time. Maybe I hear more when=20 > > things slow down. Maybe I breathe better. Maybe I become a=20 > > little detoxified from my regular diet of overstimulation well=20 > > represented by listening to 5 radio stations in 1 minute. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe rut" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:52 PM > > Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops > > > > > > Yeah, And he probably also gets bored when Mark Rothko only used=20 > > one or two blocks of color in a painting when he could be=20=20 > > painting all kinds of "happy little trees". Sheesh. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Warren Sirota" > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: What's wrong with loops > > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:59:14 -0500 > > > > > > > > check this out: > > > > > > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8685 > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Warren Sirota > > > > -- _______________________________________________ > > > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos=20 > > Yellow Pages > > > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.c > om/default.asp?SRC=3Dlycos10 --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 19:04:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 635B63BF29; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000d01c607e2$34782450$0402a8c0@Lightning> References: <000d01c607e2$34782450$0402a8c0@Lightning> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:03:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-Rf30D.A.UOF.ooErDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:04:08 +0000 (UTC) At 11:59 AM -0500 12/23/05, Warren Sirota wrote: >check this out: > >http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8685 Hey Warren! Long time no see. Thanks for the pointer - interesting piece. (And may I direct your attention to one of my looping pieces, "Dawn's Early Light" at http://www.gdhour.com/music/dawnsearlylight.mp3 ) -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 19:13:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 407DA3BF29; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <122320051721.17358.43AC32060008931E000043CE21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insig htbb.com> References: <122320051721.17358.43AC32060008931E000043CE21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insig htbb.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:10:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:13:57 +0000 (UTC) At 5:21 PM +0000 12/23/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: >Cool article...thanks for that link, Warren. My approach to looping >has always been to use actual chord progressions, repeated like >in a normal jazz performance. It can be done quite easily, really, >but I guess a lot of people just don't do it. Play in some kind of >bass+chords or drums+bass+chords, etc accompaniment and loop it back. I work alone, with just a guitar and some effects. Usually my loops begin with one or two chords, or sometimes a four-bar ostinato. it is a challenge to keep it interesting over time, for sure. I haven't yet started taking advantage of the capabilities of my new Echoplex, but w/ the RC-20XL I try to work with 16 bars (four iterations of the four-bar pattern) and add new information sparingly. I'll do something in the first and ninth bars, for example. And since I'm a songwriter who also does loop improv, I will often resolve the loop by moving it into a song and saying goodbye to the stored info. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 19:25:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCEDE3BF27; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:26:15 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001e01c607f6$bdd9bab0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:25:10 +0000 (UTC) David!!! Dude!!! You been lurkin' here all along? Fun piece. I like it. Drop me a line if you're coming to the NY area - I'd love to see you again. Listfolk: David (Mr. Grateful Dead Hour, if you don't know) and I used to play occasionally in the WELL's house band, Wetware - more-or-less 20 years ago. Warren > -----Original Message----- > From: David Gans [mailto:david@trufun.com] > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 2:03 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops > > > At 11:59 AM -0500 12/23/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > >check this out: > > > >http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8685 > > > Hey Warren! Long time no see. Thanks for the pointer - > interesting piece. > > (And may I direct your attention to one of my looping pieces, "Dawn's > Early Light" at http://www.gdhour.com/music/dawnsearlylight.mp3 ) > > > > > -- > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://playback.trufun.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 19:32:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C2743BF1A; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002501c607e8$7b88ae40$05a5a344@hppav> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:32:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2005 19:32:00.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BBF1470:01C607F7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Not sure how accurate this is? http://guitargeek.com/rigview/396/ Looks like he has 3 eventides now along with the EDP’s Can anyone identify the other stuff in the photo? Thanks Lou >From: "David Kirkdorffer" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions >Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:44:10 -0500 > >Back in the day, Fripp had four TC2290's - i think hooked up in >stereo-pairs. > >He bought some Gibson EDP's and stated he thought they were very powerful >looping tools but decided he could not use them because the sound quality >was not high enough for him. > >Comment on EDPs and pictures of his rig: > from August, 2005 - http://www.dgmlive.com/word.htm?review=1722 > >Not sure if this is what he is using currently. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 7:16 AM >Subject: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions > > > > Hi, > > > > has anyone seen Fripp's new rig on his site or even heard it? What does >he >use now? Why no more TC 2290? Can Eventide do the same? > > And a question: How did his old rig work? Did he use the TC2290 serial >or >did he ffed different audio to different delays? And whate were the >Eventides and Roland Preamps for? > > > > Thanks for you answers and I wish you a blessed Channukah or Christmas. > > > > - Simon > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Nur bis 31.12.: 1&1 DSL mit WEB.DE Preisvorteil! Jetzt einsteigen > > und die Vorteile sichern! http://1und1dsl.web.de/?mc=021130 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 19:43:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 557A03BF3B; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=s7HceZhRcEOlXQTu5aG9ySFpmvYjbc0Z6N8b+jW+ykISrDgZ6Pb6mr4WewKx/gMTI2Dg0Uw0COlqJy0xuPtypeNypjlwTWnamPGFMBcu7vgGGwedRfO8OIJaKMpTI3SnWmga7GUDGb8CnpxQ+aQILkrT7q82q0cEltivIp9f+GU= ; Message-ID: <20051223194332.96700.qmail@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:43:32 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051223175240.1624986B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1506614677-1135367012=:96656" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:43:34 +0000 (UTC) --0-1506614677-1135367012=:96656 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hard to explore harmony while playing loops? for such a huge noggin,battino's sure seems empty i mean what are ya doing but exploring harmony? joe rut wrote: Yeah, And he probably also gets bored when Mark Rothko only used one or two blocks of color in a painting when he could be painting all kinds of "happy little trees". Sheesh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What's wrong with loops Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:59:14 -0500 > > check this out: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8685 > > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-1506614677-1135367012=:96656 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hard to explore harmony while playing loops?
for such a huge noggin,battino's sure seems empty
i mean what are ya doing but exploring harmony?

joe rut <joerut@lycos.com> wrote:
Yeah, And he probably also gets bored when Mark Rothko only used one or two blocks of color in a painting when he could be painting all kinds
of "happy little trees". Sheesh.
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> Best wishes,
> Warren Sirota

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Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-1506614677-1135367012=:96656-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 19:44:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22A743BF3F; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:44:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2005 19:44:00.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[38BB7BE0:01C607F9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:44:02 +0000 (UTC) FYI, found some more recent pix: http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=2405 http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=2133 Cheers. Lou >From: "Louis Rossi" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions >Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:32:00 -0500 > >Not sure how accurate this is? >http://guitargeek.com/rigview/396/ > >Looks like he has 3 eventides now along with the EDP’s Can anyone identify >the other stuff in the photo? > >Thanks >Lou > > >>From: "David Kirkdorffer" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions >>Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:44:10 -0500 >> >>Back in the day, Fripp had four TC2290's - i think hooked up in >>stereo-pairs. >> >>He bought some Gibson EDP's and stated he thought they were very powerful >>looping tools but decided he could not use them because the sound quality >>was not high enough for him. >> >>Comment on EDPs and pictures of his rig: >> from August, 2005 - http://www.dgmlive.com/word.htm?review=1722 >> >>Not sure if this is what he is using currently. >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: >>Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 7:16 AM >>Subject: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions >> >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > has anyone seen Fripp's new rig on his site or even heard it? What does >>he >>use now? Why no more TC 2290? Can Eventide do the same? >> > And a question: How did his old rig work? Did he use the TC2290 serial >>or >>did he ffed different audio to different delays? And whate were the >>Eventides and Roland Preamps for? >> > >> > Thanks for you answers and I wish you a blessed Channukah or Christmas. >> > >> > - Simon >> > __________________________________________________________________ >> > Nur bis 31.12.: 1&1 DSL mit WEB.DE Preisvorteil! Jetzt einsteigen >> > und die Vorteile sichern! http://1und1dsl.web.de/?mc=021130 >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 19:47:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C99D63BF45; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YBOOKdNcgno+22XHPjMU8WuOtcUuGAS2jfUn7SOCZrXZ+LOq3ck64zpU/WNvNnw8yWopvHmBJl2nkxxBfGPdw+Xz3AoMJg/gxxJJvhfbYZSFoCQP6g1fYaLU1Z9zo3SduDw+Ud1m1Ay/y7ok10i33wV5bAsakJGqrL5qkd5fvAA= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:47:12 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops In-Reply-To: <20051223194332.96700.qmail@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051223175240.1624986B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> <20051223194332.96700.qmail@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:47:14 +0000 (UTC) I think he was talking about compositions made of loops generated by other people. The sort of Lego-brick process you can get with a GarageBand type program which comes with a large library of loops, including pitched instruments playing chord vamps and such. If you don't have a way to generate completely new audio information (i.e. a traditional type instrument), then you're limited to collage-type work of varying complexity. Which isn't to say that approach is invalid, just that it makes harmonic exploration more difficult. TravisH On 12/23/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > hard to explore harmony while playing loops? > for such a huge noggin,battino's sure seems empty > i mean what are ya doing but exploring harmony? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 20:00:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 365C83BF35; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:00:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <20051223185857.03122CA08E@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:00:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2005 20:00:51.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[92F65240:01C607FB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:00:53 +0000 (UTC) .. >I always try to explore *why* a piece of music works or does not work for >me. >For me, the answer is *never* something missing in the music. The answer >is >*always* something missing in the context. OK. Maybe not *always*. .. great post! context is so important - and its good to remind one's self of that continually - thanks for bringing that back into focus for me... Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 20:09:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63D823BF41; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gVSlKr0R2RSe0BfmeEJVb7NqBYpF4RCHxzQptSSnGmuFogIHylM8SRBVGeVatclysZAnXRoM2aqqVHcQ/MyiclTPgPsPksLMYXq47K2ATOi285GhQH4ph6gamhAWKDfreWZY2cU67nWt8Kwf1dROsY+hsqFMdZXBt2SVRn4A/Po= ; Message-ID: <20051223200858.81197.qmail@web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:08:58 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1458665786-1135368538=:81124" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:09:00 +0000 (UTC) --0-1458665786-1135368538=:81124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit loopin with prerecorded libraries of loops smells of fish.might as well be a rapper... i cant stomach stuff like that. maybe if it was a puzzel where ya unlock a code in a video game it would be fun. if its not created real time ...i have little intrest these days blockheadedly yours, danny Travis Hartnett wrote: I think he was talking about compositions made of loops generated by other people. The sort of Lego-brick process you can get with a GarageBand type program which comes with a large library of loops, including pitched instruments playing chord vamps and such. If you don't have a way to generate completely new audio information (i.e. a traditional type instrument), then you're limited to collage-type work of varying complexity. Which isn't to say that approach is invalid, just that it makes harmonic exploration more difficult. TravisH On 12/23/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > hard to explore harmony while playing loops? > for such a huge noggin,battino's sure seems empty > i mean what are ya doing but exploring harmony? > --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-1458665786-1135368538=:81124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
loopin with prerecorded libraries of loops smells of fish.might as well be a rapper...
i cant stomach stuff like that.
maybe if it was a puzzel where ya unlock a code in a video game it would be fun.
if its not created real time ...i have little intrest these days
 
blockheadedly yours,
                                danny

Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
I think he was talking about compositions made of loops generated by
other people. The sort of Lego-brick process you can get with a
GarageBand type program which comes with a large library of loops,
including pitched instruments playing chord vamps and such. If you
don't have a way to generate completely new audio information (i.e. a
traditional type instrument), then you're limited to collage-type work
of varying complexity. Which isn't to say that approach is invalid,
just that it makes harmonic exploration more difficult.

TravisH

On 12/23/05, daniel stevenson wrote:
> hard to explore harmony while playing loops?
> for such a huge noggin,battino's sure seems empty
> i mean what are ya doing but exploring harmony?
>


Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-1458665786-1135368538=:81124-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 20:11:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 532CA3BF49; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=mOuLf9hsuNcf6P0kU503/FXU2cqgeub2Zz3bg4yn5duqdKVXpAsAdiVnxhM3TXqjDuKlA0WHW4CKj48YqHPoDal/hw5INCuOUDEZkNDr5U19lKms4/xgviUE/unNmbqoVjmeahrPR/3RTaaN+ek5ZC3SF4ZqflOAdp0b47CW7Ec= Message-ID: <9e2a71240512231211l6ffcfd7au1ff4b1a435229190@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:11:01 -0800 From: Michael Pregeant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Just got my first looper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13974_22368540.1135368661612" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:11:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13974_22368540.1135368661612 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I just recieved my first looper, an EDP fresh from Gibson and I am wonderin= g what I should about footcontrollers. I hear so much woe about the EDP's footcontroller but when it comes to midi programming, I am completely clueless. What would you guys use for an EDP foot controller, and what it's affordable for me to buy? I also wanted some feedback on my setup.. perhaps I can get some more ideas from your feedback. My main looping focus is soundscapes/ambiance.. and here's my current setup: In order (From signal origin to amp) Guitar (PRS Custom 24) Synthisizer 1 (Korg MS2000b) (Guitar hooked into it so I can synthisize my signal.. just to see if I can make any cool sounds with it.) Various wah pedals and volume pedals (1977 Morley Power Wah Fuzz, Morley Ba= d Horsie II, and Dunlop volume(which needed some tweaking to work correctly)) Echoplex/All rackmount devices "Standard" guitar effects..such as a traditional delay and flanger. Added Boss 7-band EQ. Amp (Marshall JCM2000 DSL 100) Keep in mind that this is not just for looping, it's for my normal playing as well. Seems like a pain in the ass to take out all of my essentials for normal play every time I loop just to save some signal strength. Anyways..the idea is that I can use a guitar AND a synthisizer on the same signal to create more diverse soundscapes.. create darker and lighter hues.= . and even simulate percussion with some special effects on the Korg. Tell me what you guys think. Also on my "To buy" list is a Roland Gr-33(Not sure if that's the exact product number) guitar synthisizer. You know.. that's the one which simulates violins, chellos, pianos.. verious woodwind and brass instruments.. and even has some cool ambiant effects (A little tacky sounding, if you ask me, but judge that for yourself by going to musiciansfriend.com and listening to the samples..keep in mind you need realplayer to hear them) ------=_Part_13974_22368540.1135368661612 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I just recieved my first looper, an EDP fresh from Gibson and I am won= dering what I should about footcontrollers. I hear so much woe about the ED= P's footcontroller but when it comes to midi programming, I am completely c= lueless. What would you guys use for an EDP foot controller, and what it's = affordable for me to buy?
 
I also wanted some feedback on my setup.. perhaps I can get some more = ideas from your feedback. My main looping focus is soundscapes/ambiance.. a= nd here's my current setup:
 
In order (From signal origin to amp)
Guitar (PRS Custom 24)
Synthisizer 1 (Korg MS2000b) (Guitar hooked into it so I can synthisiz= e my signal.. just to see if I can make any cool sounds with it.)
Various wah pedals and volume pedals (1977 Morley Power Wah Fuzz, Morl= ey Bad Horsie II, and Dunlop volume(which needed some tweaking to work corr= ectly))
Echoplex/All rackmount devices
"Standard" guitar effects..such as a traditional delay and f= langer. Added Boss 7-band EQ.
Amp (Marshall JCM2000 DSL 100)
 
Keep in mind that this is not just for looping, it's for my normal pla= ying as well. Seems like a pain in the ass to take out all of my essentials= for normal play every time I loop just to save some signal strength.=20
 
Anyways..the idea is that I can use a guitar AND a synthisizer on the = same signal to create more diverse soundscapes.. create darker and lighter = hues.. and even simulate percussion with some special effects on the Korg. = Tell me what you guys think.
 
Also on my "To buy" list is a Roland Gr-33(Not sure if that'= s the exact product number) guitar synthisizer. You know.. that's the one w= hich simulates violins, chellos, pianos.. verious woodwind and brass instru= ments.. and even has some cool ambiant effects (A little tacky sounding, if= you ask me, but judge that for yourself by going to=20 musiciansfriend.com and listenin= g to the samples..keep in mind you need realplayer to hear them)
------=_Part_13974_22368540.1135368661612-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 20:24:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E3143BF3D; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AC5DA7.50908@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:27:19 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Just got my first looper References: <9e2a71240512231211l6ffcfd7au1ff4b1a435229190@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e2a71240512231211l6ffcfd7au1ff4b1a435229190@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Michael Pregeant wrote: > I just recieved my first looper, an EDP fresh from Gibson and I am > wondering what I should about footcontrollers. I hear so much woe > about the EDP's footcontroller but when it comes to midi programming, > I am completely clueless. What would you guys use for an EDP foot > controller, and what it's affordable for me to buy? Congratulations on the EDP! In my comparison of the EDP footcontroller (EFC-7) and the MIDI controller Behringer FCB1010, I prefer the latter! (And it seems this list does, too.) Besides being able to customize what buttons do what, it's got a "positive feel" to the nicely-sorta-beefy buttons...the EFC's are kinda wimpy and prone to replacement need. Programming it is just hunkering down and reading which button to press in what order...it's not bad. I have little experience "midi programming," and I did this ok! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 20:42:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7376E3BF3A; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:43:30 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops In-reply-to: <122320051721.17358.43AC32060008931E000043CE21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000401c60801$8899ad00$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:42:16 +0000 (UTC) > Cool article...thanks for that link, Warren. My approach to looping > has always been to use actual chord progressions, repeated like > in a normal jazz performance. It can be done quite easily, really, > but I guess a lot of people just don't do it. Play in some kind of > bass+chords or drums+bass+chords, etc accompaniment and loop it back. > Hi Mark, I just listened to a cut or two - nice, but you're kinda skipping over the messy part in those excerpts, aren't you? Do you loop live? How do you start it? Do you lay down a bass loop first, so each song begins with solo bass? Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 20:54:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A72A3BF3D; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [68.126.188.196] From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-50 shows up on US website Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:53:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <43AC3D98.8080700@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:54:06 +0000 (UTC) I wonder if the RC-50 allows you to transition between loops (or what they call "patches") seamlessly and on the fly. As opposed to the RC-20 which only allowed you to transition between SAVED loops. I see a Patch UP/DOWN symbol between the two leftmost footswitches - I am hopeful they've implemented it to support "on the fly" switching. Adrian West www.adrianwest.com -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 10:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 shows up on US website Todd Pafford wrote: > The good news is that "It's the best live looping tool ever built" and > the "new industry-leading looper." Thank god "The Ultimate Looper Has > Arrived." I guess we can all sell our EDPs, Repeaters, Jammen, > Boomerangs, dl4s, etc. Oh, and stop production on that Looperlative, > unless you've designed in the "more ultimate" feature. :) > > Wow, don't ya' love marketting speak? But they left out my personal favorite, "limited only by your imagination". So I guess there is at least one more level of ultimate. Seriously though, besides feedback I didn't see anything resembling Multiply which I've come to consider essential in a looper. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 21:28:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D9193BF3D; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001e01c607f6$bdd9bab0$0402a8c0@Lightning> References: <001e01c607f6$bdd9bab0$0402a8c0@Lightning> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:24:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:28:57 +0000 (UTC) At 2:26 PM -0500 12/23/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > >David!!! Dude!!! You been lurkin' here all along? I joined a couple of months ago, but haven't had too much to say yet. >Fun piece. I like it. Thanks! >Drop me a line if you're coming to the NY area - I'd love to see you again. You bet! >Listfolk: David (Mr. Grateful Dead Hour, if you don't know) Please don't jump to conclusions about my music based on that association! >and I used to play occasionally in the WELL's house band, Wetware - >more-or-less 20 years ago. Ah, so long ago. I have been touring for ten years or so, and about four years ago I started using the Loop Station to enhance my solo show. At first I was using it to record the changes so I could play guitar solos, but of course I started to see the possibilities almost immediately so now looping is a major part of my solo performance. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 23 22:44:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C9E03BF49; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006d01c60812$63ccaf70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: thanks, Bro!!! Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:44:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Bill Walker wrote: "But did you have to mention Cher and Kenny G? Now no one will think we are cool:)" but Bill, we aren't cool...................did you forget? Rick (munching on that moon pie, hummin' "....lemon tree, very pretty, and the lemon flower is sweet but the fruit of the poor lemon is impossible to eat............"} From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 01:45:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 328B53BF46; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lYgj6oVtciM2RV/nZsiLHvq+e8YpaAY4FdT/gYoFsO6ynZ8bv03Alr+/HKCR1ti5; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051262415050410@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: concert nostalgia and name-dropping Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:50:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a57226d7aab27dc389a80dbb19ed8bca350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.63 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:45:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Man, there's some baaaaad muthaf***ers in that list! I'd be happy to play with any of you. (I live on the wrong coast!) Merry Holidys, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/23/2005 8:35:30 AM Subject: RE: concert nostalgia and name-dropping Well said, Ted. Amen. Warren -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: concert nostalgia and name-dropping Hi all, Some of you all may groan at what i'm about to say. Perhaps I say it 'cause I never opened for Santana (or Cher) or anyone else most folks have heard of. So, y'all can take the following with a grain of salt. I can die a happy man (please, not soon though Lord, I hope) because I've "opened" for . . . or shared a stage with . . . folks that next to nobody outside of this list (comparatively) have really ever heard of. It has been my sincere and great privilege to know and to have heard play live and up close . . . in no particular order other than the randome firings of these old synapses in abjsect gratitude: Rick Walker Bill Walker Kris Hartung Michael Klobuchar Stan Card Max Valentino Matthias Grob Bernhard Wagner James Sidlo Warren Sirrota Mark Hamburg Steve Lawson Matt Davignon Ryusei Hattori Dan Soltzberg Jon Wagner Richard Zvonar Amy X Nueberg Andre LaFosse Zoe Keating Hans Lindauer Wayne Jackson George Demarest Brian Kenny Fresno John Whooly Gareth Whittock Kid Beyond Kitundu Sunao Inami . . . and a whole lot more whom you'll have to forgive me for not mentioning. Just 'cuz y'all weren't music idols whose names were writ large across the national consciousness and musical landscape doen't mean that someday some old geezer (me, hopefully) will not fondly "remember when" back to the halcyon days of the ''80s, 90s and '00s (zeros?) when looping way still relatively new (and nobody knew which way it'd go) all of these people were actually inventing different little bit's of it's vernacular language. And lets not forget our LD list host/moderator Kim Flint. I've never heard him play. I don't know what he plays, in fact. But he's responsible for the creation of this forum and community and had no small part in making the EDP what it 's been. The very idea kicks my ass whenever I think of it. Y'all have a great holiday season . . . whichever holiday it is (or none) and may we all have a great 2006 to look forward to. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Message
Man, there's some baaaaad muthaf***ers in that list!
I'd be happy to play with any of you.
(I live on the wrong coast!)
Merry Holidys,
Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 12/23/2005 8:35:30 AM
Subject: RE: concert nostalgia and name-dropping

Well said, Ted. Amen.
 
Warren
-----Original Message-----
From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:46 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: concert nostalgia and name-dropping

Hi all,

Some of you all may groan at what i'm about to say. Perhaps I say it 'cause I never opened for Santana (or Cher) or anyone else most folks have heard of. So, y'all can take the following with a grain of salt.

I can die a happy man (please, not soon though Lord, I hope) because I've "opened" for . . . or shared a stage with . . . folks that next to nobody outside of this list (comparatively) have really ever heard of.

It has been my sincere and great privilege to know and to have heard play live and up close . . . in no particular order other than the randome firings of these old synapses in abjsect gratitude:

Rick Walker
Bill Walker
Kris Hartung
Michael Klobuchar
Stan Card
Max Valentino
Matthias Grob
Bernhard Wagner
James Sidlo
Warren Sirrota
Mark Hamburg
Steve Lawson
Matt Davignon
Ryusei Hattori
Dan Soltzberg
Jon Wagner
Richard Zvonar
Amy X Nueberg
Andre LaFosse
Zoe Keating
Hans Lindauer
Wayne Jackson
George Demarest
Brian Kenny Fresno
John Whooly
Gareth Whittock
Kid Beyond
Kitundu
Sunao Inami

. . . and a whole lot more whom you'll have to forgive me for not mentioning.

Just 'cuz y'all weren't music idols whose names were writ large across the national consciousness and musical landscape doen't mean that someday some old geezer (me, hopefully) will not fondly "remember when" back to the halcyon days of  the ''80s, 90s and '00s (zeros?) when looping way still relatively new (and nobody knew which way it'd go) all of these people were actually inventing different little bit's of it's vernacular language.

And lets not forget our LD list host/moderator Kim Flint. I've never heard him play. I don't know what he plays, in fact. But he's responsible for the creation of this forum and community and had no small part in making the EDP what it 's been. The very idea kicks my ass whenever I think of it.

Y'all have a great holiday season . . . whichever holiday it is (or none) and may we all have a great 2006 to look forward to.

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 03:47:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16C273BF4E; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051223225343.007eed30@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:53:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions In-Reply-To: <002501c607e8$7b88ae40$05a5a344@hppav> References: <280781232@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:47:45 +0000 (UTC) >Back in the day, Fripp had four TC2290's - i think hooked up in >stereo-pairs. For his Music for Finding Your Seat soundscapes on the G3 tour, he used two stereo pairs, each pair set for a different delay time / loop length. Besides the switchblade, he had some A/B and A/B/Both switches and volume pedals. He injected notes into one stereo loop or the other, sometimes into both loops at once. Sometimes the audience would hear the notes as he played them, sometimes only when the loop(s) came around. Dunno what the Eventides were doing most of the time. (Pitch-shifting? filtering? panning? mangling and mayhem?). He had a trick where he'd continuously spin a data wheel on an Eventide for nearly a minute, mangling the looper output(s). IIRC that playing his rack by hand episode is briefly visible in one of the King Crimson concert videos from the 1990s. I'd guess he used the preamps for analog guitar tone and/or to connect the stomp box part of the rig (fuzz/wah/etc) to the stereo processors and loopers. HTH, ho, ho, ho, Nick Simon posted: ... >> And a question: How did his old rig work? Did he use the TC2290 serial or >did he ffed different audio to different delays? And whate were the >Eventides and Roland Preamps for? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 03:57:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70F173BF52; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43ACC73C.1000300@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:57:48 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Optimum impedance and dBu for EDP interface? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone know (Kim or Matthias, are you out there?) what are the actual input and output impedances and levels for a beige Gibson EDP (purchased in 2000)? I'm considering a custom made routing box for putting some things (including 2 EDPs) in the somewhat funky effects loop of my Gibson Goldtone amp, and I'd like to optimize the performance of the EDPs in that system. I recognize that the EDPs can handle a wide range of impedance and db levels, but again - I'd like to get the very best match possible if I'm going to bother with a custom router. I can't find the info anywhere in the EDP manuals, and only vague references to "high impedance" on the inputs from Kim a loooong time ago. Any joy? Merry Christmas!! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 06:05:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D4033BF56; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 06:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04ab01c60850$10c57620$a5b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: , Subject: New Google Group for Free Improvisational Music Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:05:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04A8_01C60815.63738B90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.200000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-UrlForgery: (http://groups.google.com) (http://groups.) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 420, in=189532, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 06:05:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04A8_01C60815.63738B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Google Group for free improvisational music: http://groups.google.com/group/Free-Improvisation Cheers, Kris ------=_NextPart_000_04A8_01C60815.63738B90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Cheers,
 
Kris
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_04A8_01C60815.63738B90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 06:42:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D52BE3BF4A; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 06:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 24 Dec 2005 06:42:09 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:42:09 -0500 Subject: Bernhard Wagner's "The Fourth Night" CD X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051224064209.E5915CA08E@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 06:42:13 +0000 (UTC) OK. I've had this CD for a week or two now and I didn't listen to it becaus= e I wanted to be able to hear the whole thing in one sitting and pay=20 attention.....and my work schedule hasn't allowed me that until today. Tod= ay I put on the headphones, sat in my La-Z-Boy, closed my eyes, and=20 listened to "The Fourth Night" from start to finish. I was fighting back tears by the end of the first track. I found this CD to= be so beautiful that I'm not sure what to say about it, other than this: = If=20 you don't have it, get it.=20=20=20=20 For someone who can usually "go on and on" about things, I find myself not = having the words right now. It's late. Maybe tomorrow. Thanks Bernhard, for this beautiful thing. Joe Rut --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 10:49:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B19433BF51; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=X/RqMW05ldQqnGCvdJ/yqhE+ePT5HkNzpk+XVlHmHnAO9T8QG2RE2wDMXbnLeFIXXoa2e5LP5lUF/0+ge3eyi4zv3rFL+7F2fkgUUeB7IK9fYk1B6CuZuQTSIRyZNod8DpJiuGDDYifbCch2Wb3SyOB4F66fKDNJoWrG2XQM91k= ; Message-ID: <20051224104950.26156.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:49:50 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002501c607e8$7b88ae40$05a5a344@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:49:55 +0000 (UTC) i see a little aqua light in his rack that resembles the old korg A3 is he still using it? --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Back in the day, Fripp had four TC2290's - i think > hooked up in > stereo-pairs. > > He bought some Gibson EDP's and stated he thought > they were very powerful > looping tools but decided he could not use them > because the sound quality > was not high enough for him. > > Comment on EDPs and pictures of his rig: > from August, 2005 - > http://www.dgmlive.com/word.htm?review=1722 > > Not sure if this is what he is using currently. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 7:16 AM > Subject: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions > > > > Hi, > > > > has anyone seen Fripp's new rig on his site or > even heard it? What does he > use now? Why no more TC 2290? Can Eventide do the > same? > > And a question: How did his old rig work? Did he > use the TC2290 serial or > did he ffed different audio to different delays? And > whate were the > Eventides and Roland Preamps for? > > > > Thanks for you answers and I wish you a blessed > Channukah or Christmas. > > > > - Simon > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Nur bis 31.12.: 1&1 DSL mit WEB.DE Preisvorteil! > Jetzt einsteigen > > und die Vorteile sichern! > http://1und1dsl.web.de/?mc=021130 > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 11:08:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29C683BF51; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tvd+IcXPniaLzYxSOU896gEHX5SjP1jsU33XmHhCrTCIRHatErGE0ZGQZkcl8QOx1e6l4AIXtR8TuWt9gU8fRnTb77S7RuH2hygrTlGXEYm0Mk7lpGGdKOc7ZDYFqfYZfVyjawNucvdJzejsdqHUh8OtKetKEEwViilZyahpTFk= ; Message-ID: <20051224110820.82188.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:08:20 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002501c607e8$7b88ae40$05a5a344@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:08:21 +0000 (UTC) i have been hearing speculations in other forums that these devices are not in the new roland catalogs and will therefore soon dissapear due to new upcoming guitar modeling technology like the line 6 variax etc.i couldn´t imagine this happening after all roland has gone through to keep this type of technology in the market,i am also curious how many of us in this list use them... Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 11:51:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B26E3BF59; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #12205354 Message-ID: <43AD3626.8020307@gmx.net> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:51:02 +0100 From: "Janosch K." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors References: <20051224110820.82188.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051224110820.82188.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis, I don't use a GR-33 but a GR-1 and I'm very happy with it. It would be sad if Roland's Guitar Synths would disappear, but if the GR-33 disappears there is still the GR-20, but this one is rather small and not so suited for live use because it has only 2 pedals and it seems to be optimized to esae-of-use rather than deep sound programming. And the VG-Series is unique in my opnion, no other company offered something similar to this yet (Line 6 Variax may go in the same direction, but it lacks the amp section and you are limited to very few controller types in form of guitars, while you can use almost any guitar for the VG8/VG88). Janosch Luis Angulo schrieb: >i am also curious how many of us in this >list use them... >Luis > >www.luis-angulo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 12:17:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92A293BF62; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AD3C43.2060307@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:17:07 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops References: <20051223185857.03122CA08E@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20051223185857.03122CA08E@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:17:11 +0000 (UTC) joe rut wrote: > Blah, Blah, Blah. The list is infinite. > > Anyway, when I read about David Battino and Jim AIkin "Realiz[ing] what was missing" in the loop music they were listening to on podcsats, my > first question (as it *always* is in these cases) is: "What is missing in their context?" Well, there are two sides of David Battinos view, one is just the perception of "something missing" (I have no doubt that this was the case) and then there is the need to understand it, which often leads to misinterpretation. I sometimes feel strange, because it seems there is no single style of music which I do not like. Where most people seems to have preferences and then need an explanation why a different style than their prefered one is bad. Music (and any other art) is not made to fullfill anyones expectations! Music is especially interesting if it will give you some surprise, something you did NOT expect. So it seems David Battinos did miss something, but certainly it was neither chord progressions nor has it anything to do with looping. He just couldn't name it, and thought it was something which he definitely likes within his prefered music styles. I might think the same as David about the music he was listening to, but I just love Xenakis. This would lead to completely different, as absurd conclusions as Davids, I might even think it has too much of old fashioned chord progression in it... Some time ago I met an old friend who is not at all into techno music. He wanted to explain why techno music was bad, and his explanation was: The beat was going against the heart beat... He was very astonished, when I explained, that the aim of a lot of DJ's was actually to syncronize the heart beat of the audience... Normally if I do not like a music, I must admitt, I don't understand it, be it missing context or whatever. Only if I like it, I could judge. > What did the music critic say after his preconceptions wore off? > Hmmmmm. That might be interesting. This music opened my mind and my senses. In the future I'll only write about music if it touches me... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 12:32:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F4823BF64; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007201c60886$28329000$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 04:32:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <5KlnM.A.XNC.u_TrDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:32:46 +0000 (UTC) I posted this reply to the Oreilly Digital Audio Site article called 'What's wrong with loops?' SUBJECT: A looper replies: I hear the frustration about looping programs like Garage Band, Acid and Ableton's Live. The inherent block nature of laying down loops and repeating them can frequently cause a lot of stasis: especially harmonically: That being said: When you first learn how to play a guitar or a piano it take a long time to learn how to play more complex harmonic pieces or progressions. Similarly, when one learns how to use loops either in a software program or in a live looping situation, it takes time to get sophisticated doing such a thing. Let us please consider that the first mass marketed live looping box, the Lexicon Jamman didn't hit the scene until 1995. My brother and I bought one of those immediately and began trying to learn how to use it at once. The first mass marketed looping program ACID didn't appear until the very late 90's (I'm not even sure exactly when 1.0 appeared). I began trying to make interesting music with that paradigm in the year 2000. Imagine not only that you started using a guitar or keyboard ten years ago but that they only invented the instrument 5-10 years ago. Sophistication takes time so to judge the looping world right now 5-10 years into it's initiation is really a little ahead of the game. To critique it.............by all means.........there's a lot to critique. But if you could have seen and heard the sophistication and astonishing musical diversity that 40 live looping artists from 9 countries displayed in Zurich this summer or that 50 artists from 7 countries displayed in Santa Cruz and San Francisco in October I think you'd have a different take on the subject. This thread was brought to the attention of the huge live looping mecca website, Loopers Delight (almost a million webhits a year) and most people agreed that the world knows and hears about the 'block' orientation of the Garage Band/Acid/Ableton's Live paradigm but that very few people know just how sophisticated the International Live Looping movement has gotten. Even as far as the Garage-Aced-Live world goes, please go listen to what Kid Beyond is doing with Ableton's Live before you right the whole paradigm off. ********** Additionally, I have been reading the excellent book on the making of the seminal modal jazz record, 'Kind Of Blue' by Miles Davis. Miles felt in the long run that the spelling out of complex chordal harmony and the whole bop multi chord progression approach was incredibly limiting in the long run. 'Kind of Blue' opened up the soloists to playing more harmonically free, precisely because the scale was limited.........it left more space. When Teo Macero used some of the very first tape loops of the drummers on 'In a Silent Way' (which birthed the fusion movement) he also similarly openened the way for the percussionists and the melodic and chordal soloists to do much, much more with rhythmic placement. There is a lot of sophistication in music that comes from chordal and harmonic complexity but the use of loops has also led the way for a tremendous upsurge in the publics exposure and appreciation of complexity in rhythm and timbre in the past 20 years since samplers became really prevalent. I've found in my own life of performing and composing in styles as diverse as rock and roll, world music, abstract electronica, found and invented sound, funk, soul, jazz, etc. that no matter how sohpisticated a listening audience that it is pretty difficult to throw more than a couple of layers of complexity at them and expect the audience to 'get it'. In other words, I you have bop rapid fire chordal changes or complex stacked, suspended chords over modal approaches that it's really difficult to play with just as much attendant rhythmic complexity (polyrhythms, complex odd time signatures, stacked and dense interlocking rhythmic parts) or with as much attendant timbral complexity. Try playing Donna Lee with the timbral complexity of Nine Inch Nails or some of the Industrial bands and it just doesn't work. Play music with the rhythmic freedom and intensity of high powered Indian musicians and then lay dense chordal structures or complex and rapid chord progressions and most people will fail similarly. If harmony is your thing...........it's beautiful. But there are artists as complex and sophisticated as Mark Isham (who's music I adore, by the way) who use loops..........they just are using other approaches (timbre and rhythm, primarily) to create their complexity. It's all good. It's all the human spirit trying to express itself. Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Wonderful Solstice and a Bitchen Kwaanza to everyone, Rick Walker aka |()()p.p()()| producer/promoter: Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival Every October in Santa Cruz, California From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 14:56:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E092B3BF67; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:00:01 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors In-Reply-To: <20051224110820.82188.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20051224110820.82188.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1463809535-70034408-1135436401=:14004" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:56:26 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---1463809535-70034408-1135436401=:14004 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Luis Angulo wrote: > i have been hearing speculations in other forums that > these devices are not in the new roland catalogs and > will therefore soon dissapear due to new upcoming > guitar modeling technology like the line 6 variax > etc.i couldn´t imagine this happening after all roland > has gone through to keep this type of technology in > the market,i am also curious how many of us in this > list use them... I have a Roland GR-30 and a Roland V-Bass (being the much less common bass version of the VG-88 series). I don't use them often, but did set them up last week for the first time in a while (Eagle 6-string fretless with GK pickup into the V-Bass, Chapman stick with GK pickup into the GR-30). Nice. Should play more with them. http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html ---1463809535-70034408-1135436401=:14004-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 15:42:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D4BD3BF65; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AD6EEE.6030304@tiscali.it> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:53:18 +0100 From: FZ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors References: <20051224110820.82188.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051224110820.82188.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Uh, what do the rumours say exactly about this new 'upcoming Roland modeling technology'? When it's supposed to be available? Luis Angulo wrote: >i have been hearing speculations in other forums that >these devices are not in the new roland catalogs and >will therefore soon dissapear due to new upcoming >guitar modeling technology like the line 6 variax >etc.i couldn´t imagine this happening after all roland >has gone through to keep this type of technology in >the market,i am also curious how many of us in this >list use them... >Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 17:16:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D692F3BF62; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:22:29 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions To: Message-id: <003401c608ae$9e9c1a40$6da5a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Yes - as you can see - the Frippster has removed the EDPs. Looks like he has four Eventides now. The bottom pair look like DSP7000s or H8000s http://www.eventide.com/profaud/harm.htm I think now he has each one running in stereo to form a quad-environment, if I remember correctly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions > FYI, found some more recent pix: > > http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=2405 > > http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=2133 > > Cheers. Lou > > >From: "Louis Rossi" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions > >Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:32:00 -0500 > > > >Not sure how accurate this is? > >http://guitargeek.com/rigview/396/ > > > >Looks like he has 3 eventides now along with the EDP's Can anyone identify > >the other stuff in the photo? > > > >Thanks > >Lou > > > > > >>From: "David Kirkdorffer" > >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>To: > >>Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions > >>Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:44:10 -0500 > >> > >>Back in the day, Fripp had four TC2290's - i think hooked up in > >>stereo-pairs. > >> > >>He bought some Gibson EDP's and stated he thought they were very powerful > >>looping tools but decided he could not use them because the sound quality > >>was not high enough for him. > >> > >>Comment on EDPs and pictures of his rig: > >> from August, 2005 - http://www.dgmlive.com/word.htm?review=1722 > >> > >>Not sure if this is what he is using currently. > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: > >>To: > >>Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 7:16 AM > >>Subject: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions > >> > >> > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > has anyone seen Fripp's new rig on his site or even heard it? What does > >>he > >>use now? Why no more TC 2290? Can Eventide do the same? > >> > And a question: How did his old rig work? Did he use the TC2290 serial > >>or > >>did he ffed different audio to different delays? And whate were the > >>Eventides and Roland Preamps for? > >> > > >> > Thanks for you answers and I wish you a blessed Channukah or Christmas. > >> > > >> > - Simon > >> > __________________________________________________________________ > >> > Nur bis 31.12.: 1&1 DSL mit WEB.DE Preisvorteil! Jetzt einsteigen > >> > und die Vorteile sichern! http://1und1dsl.web.de/?mc=021130 > >> > > >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 19:25:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD6DA3BF66; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:25:16 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <43AD3626.8020307@gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:25:19 +0000 (UTC) OK here is the partial skinny on Roland, direct from the source of a Roland Rep I know. Roland has created an intirely separate division for their guitar and VG products, and though current models are being fazed out, the rep hinted that roland might finally be developing a pro grade guitar synth possibly a rackmount device that actually has a good sound engine, something that really hasn't been addressed yet. I have a GR30 which I prefer to the GR33 as it has a programmable arpeggiator, though the sounds leave something to be desired. I have owned and played Roland guitar synths since the early eighties and I must say i appreciate them sticking by it when other companies have come and gone, but I've also seen them go through this cycle of putting out a hip model, only to dumb it down in subsequent variations. Example: the vary deep archetecture of the Roland GM70 giving away to the less proggrammable GR50, that , all though it had a sound engine, didn't have nearly the proggramming depth that the GM70 did.. Patience Please, I think something really cool might be just around the corner. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Janosch K. [mailto:daasp@gmx.net] Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 3:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors Hi Luis, I don't use a GR-33 but a GR-1 and I'm very happy with it. It would be sad if Roland's Guitar Synths would disappear, but if the GR-33 disappears there is still the GR-20, but this one is rather small and not so suited for live use because it has only 2 pedals and it seems to be optimized to esae-of-use rather than deep sound programming. And the VG-Series is unique in my opnion, no other company offered something similar to this yet (Line 6 Variax may go in the same direction, but it lacks the amp section and you are limited to very few controller types in form of guitars, while you can use almost any guitar for the VG8/VG88). Janosch Luis Angulo schrieb: >i am also curious how many of us in this >list use them... >Luis > >www.luis-angulo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 20:40:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B83A3BF5F; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <243.441a874.30df0c2e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:40:14 EST Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_243.441a874.30df0c2e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:40:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_243.441a874.30df0c2e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmmm, I hope you're right Bill that there is something even cooler just around the= =20 corner. I use neither the VG88 or the GR33 but use GK pickups on all of my guitars.=20= I=20 use the old, obsolete GR-1 I've toted around forever and a newer but already=20 officially abandoned Boss WP-20G too. I don't plan on changing untill there is somethin= g=20 "cooler" out there. At times I was almost tempted to get the VG8 or VG88. I certainly= =20 spent hours playing them at NAMM shows and guitar stores. But never got my wallet=20 out. I'm always in-line for something really good. For examle, I'd sell my left=20 nut to have something that would offer BOTH the VG (COSM) and GR (SYNTH) capabilities in= =20 one tidy floor box with a "readable from standing height" display, about 8 stout= =20 programable footpetal buttons and 3 programable continuous controller pedals, MIDI in,=20 out and thru, 2 switchable and repatchable (at different points in the signal chain) stere= o=20 FX loops and a real switchable bypass. While we're at it let's ad a tube preamp with a couple of GT12AX7Ms in it an= d=20 the guts of the new RC-50 looper and an internal mixer/router. I know I'm dreaming=20 anyway. At my age I'd almost give my left nut anyway just to have the readable=20 displays. My eyes aren't what they used to be Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_243.441a874.30df0c2e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmmm,

I hope you're right Bill that there is something even cooler just around the= corner.

I use neither the VG88 or the GR33 but use GK pickups on all of my guitars.=20= I use
the old, obsolete GR-1 I've toted around forever and a newer but already off= icially
abandoned Boss WP-20G too. I don't plan on changing untill there is somethin= g "cooler"
out there. At times I was almost tempted to get the VG8 or VG88. I certainly= spent
hours playing them at NAMM shows and guitar stores. But never got my wallet=20= out.

I'm always in-line for something really good. For examle, I'd sell my left n= ut to have
something that would offer BOTH the VG (COSM) and GR (SYNTH) capabilities in= one
tidy floor box with a "readable from standing height" display, about 8 stout= programable
footpetal buttons and 3 programable continuous controller pedals, MIDI in, o= ut and thru,
2 switchable and repatchable (at different points in the signal chain) stere= o FX loops
and a real switchable bypass.

While we're at it let's ad a tube preamp with a couple of GT12AX7Ms in it an= d the guts
of the new RC-50 looper and an internal mixer/router. I know I'm dreaming an= yway.

At my age I'd almost give my left nut anyway just to have the readable displ= ays.
My eyes aren't what they used to be

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_243.441a874.30df0c2e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 21:13:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 533813BF61; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:13:18 -0600 To: From: mech Subject: RE: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:13:27 +0000 (UTC) At 11:25 AM -0800 12/24/05, William Walker wrote: >OK here is the partial skinny on Roland, direct from the source of a Roland >Rep I know. Roland has created an intirely separate division for their >guitar and VG products, and though current models are being fazed out, the >rep hinted that roland might finally be developing a pro grade guitar synth >possibly a rackmount device that actually has a good sound engine, something >that really hasn't been addressed yet. > > > > Patience Please, I think something really cool might be just around the >corner. Bill, From your discussions with the Roland rep, did you get an impression of how much the "something really cool" is going to incorporate Roland's Harmonic Restructuring technology (ala the VG's) as well as whether that technology may get notched up a level? Conversely, is there a possibility where that path may be scrapped entirely in favor of the more traditional synth architecture, such as that in the GR-series synths. I'm in the process of getting one of my Sticks retrofitted with the GK-3, and so I was recently considering shopping around for a VG-88. I'm much more interested in twisting sounds sideways with the Harmonic Restructuring than I am playing traditional synth sounds (i'll just grab the gk midi interface if I want to do that). So now it seems I'm faced with either grabbing a VG-88 on blowout, or waiting for Roland's "next big thing" and hoping that will possibly do more of what I'm looking for. Thanks again for all the intel!!! --m. -- _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 21:39:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1835E3BF61; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:39:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,292,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="604195756:sNHT16775152" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Coffin Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:38:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:39:12 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 24, 2005, at 1:13 PM, mech wrote: > I'm much more interested in twisting sounds sideways with the =20 > Harmonic Restructuring than I am playing traditional synth sounds I certainly hope something big and interesting for 13-pinners is in =20 the pipeline from Roland. But in the meantime, ANYone interested in HRM-COSM or general VG =20 synth-ing should understand how much more versatile the VG-8 is than =20 the 88. It all comes down to this: Per-string pitch-shifting is =20 GLOBAL on the 8, and NOT on the 88. Also, the 8 allows pedal =20 crossfading from shifted tones to unshifted; very musical: feedback =20 fading in, pedal-steel morphs, etc... The significance is that on the 8, ANY tone you come up with, using =20 ANY models, can be retuned/shifted, so a far vaster range of outside-=20 but-still-guitaristic tones is possible than on the otherwise cool =20 88, which only allows shifting on one or two models, not even =20 including many of its HRM ones; it=92s a ridiculous example of the =20 manufacturer not getting the best ideas on its own products, and =20 doesn=92t auger well for the next-gen VG-whatever (altho the GT-8 =20 pretty much rectified the dumbing down of the GT series that happened =20= with the GT-6...hope?). Stratospheric or subterranean tones, pitch-=20 gliding, and multi-string/different-interval pedal shifts (just like =20 a pedal steel) are every bit as powerful =93synth-ifying=94 tools as =20 anything in the HRM modelS on either version of the VG. VG-evangelism at your service, 24/7... dc (merry hols, folks!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 21:50:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1365D3BF64; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43ADC286.9090808@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:49:58 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 24, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:50:20 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/051224.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #79 December 24, 2005. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. I also presented a holiday special during Phase II of the program. Thanks go to the Doubtful Palace and to my former singing partner, Victoria Parks. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ VA [Tom Heasley] Somnium excerpt Edition #5 Sampler (Groove) VA [Tom Heasley] Kangra Yatra Edition #5 Sampler (Groove) VA [Tom Heasley] Obviously Edition #5 Sampler (Groove) VA [Tom Heasley] The Garden of Emotions Edition #5 Sampler (Groove) Juergen Haible untitled_aq_ost The Secret Life of Tree (none)++ Polaris Solstice Moo'n'sequences (none) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ It's Them! Wet Socks Studio Recordings (Fox's Den) Slaw Jingle Bells (1993) Let Nothing You Dismay (Doubtful Palace) Slaw Jingle Bells (1997) LNYD (Doubtful Palace) Circular Firing Squad Reindeer Stew LNYD (Doubtful Palace) The Damnation Army Sangre de Santa LNYD (Doubtful Palace) Slaw Silent Night LNYD (Doubtful Palace) Tim Walters Vent, Veni Emmanuel LNYD (Doubtful Palace) Pledge Drive Christmas Rhapsody LNYD (Doubtful Palace) 7:30 am Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Riverside Second Life Syndrome Second Life Syndrome (InsideOut) VA [Wobbler] Leprechaun Behind the Kinections (none) Door Glass Hammer Behind the Great Shadowlands (Arion) Beyond * 8:00 am * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on January 8. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 24 22:07:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 484103BF73; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:06:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:07:01 +0000 (UTC) not much more than the hints I got, though he did mention that designs were in the works for their VG stuff as well. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 1:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors At 11:25 AM -0800 12/24/05, William Walker wrote: >OK here is the partial skinny on Roland, direct from the source of a Roland >Rep I know. Roland has created an intirely separate division for their >guitar and VG products, and though current models are being fazed out, the >rep hinted that roland might finally be developing a pro grade guitar synth >possibly a rackmount device that actually has a good sound engine, something >that really hasn't been addressed yet. > > > > Patience Please, I think something really cool might be just around the >corner. Bill, From your discussions with the Roland rep, did you get an impression of how much the "something really cool" is going to incorporate Roland's Harmonic Restructuring technology (ala the VG's) as well as whether that technology may get notched up a level? Conversely, is there a possibility where that path may be scrapped entirely in favor of the more traditional synth architecture, such as that in the GR-series synths. I'm in the process of getting one of my Sticks retrofitted with the GK-3, and so I was recently considering shopping around for a VG-88. I'm much more interested in twisting sounds sideways with the Harmonic Restructuring than I am playing traditional synth sounds (i'll just grab the gk midi interface if I want to do that). So now it seems I'm faced with either grabbing a VG-88 on blowout, or waiting for Roland's "next big thing" and hoping that will possibly do more of what I'm looking for. Thanks again for all the intel!!! --m. -- _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 02:06:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE6613BF6D; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 02:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:06:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYI1l1relQzECXfTvu2qlj1qlsMsAAIAsag Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1EqLHf2kSN-0003eR@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: <5pPs-C.A.DCB._6frDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 02:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Ah, so there isn't a combo guitar synth/VG system? That would rock! I use a GI-10 triggering a Roland XV5050, which is a pretty amazing synth. I always had seen GR30s/33s in some Guitar Centers/Sam Ashes and they were always 'mostly' connected to a bad GR Strat, with headphones that were broken. Anytime I looked at one, the salesdude (and that's what he was) would come by and say 'isn't that cool' and walk away. These things have to be set up per player, and I got no help even if I asked. It is hard for Roland to sell technology to guitarists because they can't even keep the display models working- the Strat had 2 knobs *broken* off. I tried to play it, and it was set to a piano sound, It sounded like a cat ran across the piano, really- it wasn't set up at all for my playing style. Smaller stored never even order this kind of stuff, since it takes time to learn to use it, much less try to sell it to a conservative *ahem* blues lawyer clientele. Our only hope is to order it and decide within the 30 day guarantee. I was supposed to do a Brian Moore clinic at a local store, but it was canceled because they didn't want to order any synths- they didn't think they could sell them. Roland tends to come out with stuff and have no idea how to get it into the hands of the consumer, except the 'buy first and then decide' ideal. I bought a Roland GT-Pro, which is an awesome machine, but no one actually carries one, so it is impossible to try out- it is also overpriced compared to the offerings of other companies. But it is cool controlling loop feedback with picking dynamics.... Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com > At 11:25 AM -0800 12/24/05, William Walker wrote: > >OK here is the partial skinny on Roland, direct from the source of a > >Roland Rep I know. Roland has created an intirely separate > division for > >their guitar and VG products, and though current models are > being fazed > >out, the rep hinted that roland might finally be developing > a pro grade > >guitar synth possibly a rackmount device that actually has a > good sound > >engine, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 03:12:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BAE53BF75; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 03:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YMpXo+aZ8T5Q6EI1jxFnoQTNuhFJG9YHK43byYClYYoDbL/hEN/sugzop6hKXMF4PNATxg44v+Oc3BjkhihqWGz+xwIG7szAZLv6UkRSxfl99o2R7MN9mDlziIadJX2jRzu90K95OBHZBiaVXohS6LyuPmY49RYhUeU2QsTEFhQ= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:12:45 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1EqLHf2kSN-0003eR@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0MKp2t-1EqLHf2kSN-0003eR@mrelay.perfora.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 03:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Once I was in the market for a Godin Multiac-SA, with the idea of using it for both amplified acoustic guitar and synth sounds. I went to the local Godin dealer, and they had no acoustic guitar amps and no Roland synths. I was somewhat flabbergasted, and asked them how they proposed to sell them, and they said they sold plenty as it was. TravisH On 12/24/05, hazard factor wrote: > Ah, so there isn't a combo guitar synth/VG system? That would rock! > I use a GI-10 triggering a Roland XV5050, which is a pretty amazing synth= . I > always had seen GR30s/33s in some Guitar Centers/Sam Ashes and they were > always 'mostly' connected to a bad GR Strat, with headphones that were > broken. Anytime I looked at one, the salesdude (and that's what he was) > would come by and say 'isn't that cool' and walk away. These things have = to > be set up per player, and I got no help even if I asked. It is hard for > Roland to sell technology to guitarists because they can't even keep the > display models working- the Strat had 2 knobs *broken* off. I tried to pl= ay > it, and it was set to a piano sound, It sounded like a cat ran across the > piano, really- it wasn't set up at all for my playing style. > Smaller stored never even order this kind of stuff, since it takes time t= o > learn to use it, much less try to sell it to a conservative *ahem* blues > lawyer clientele. Our only hope is to order it and decide within the 30 d= ay > guarantee. > I was supposed to do a Brian Moore clinic at a local store, but it was > canceled because they didn't want to order any synths- they didn't think > they could sell them. > > Roland tends to come out with stuff and have no idea how to get it into t= he > hands of the consumer, except the 'buy first and then decide' ideal. I > bought a Roland GT-Pro, which is an awesome machine, but no one actually > carries one, so it is impossible to try out- it is also overpriced compar= ed > to the offerings of other companies. > > But it is cool controlling loop feedback with picking dynamics.... > > Dave Eichenberger- > http://www.hazardfactor.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 04:21:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99F913BF6D; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 04:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:21:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYJARR9/AyeL4dcSxqGOtTxOea91AACH1iw Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1EqNNj08sd-0003ZP@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 04:21:18 +0000 (UTC) This has, I am guessing, been working for the whole VG/guitar synth/technology industry for awhile. I am not sure if I believe it. I asked Godin if there were any dealers in my area who had a Multiac SA guitar, and the answer was no. In fact, the only Godin dealer told me 'we don't sell those, so we don't order them'...I asked him if he had any guitar synths around so he was able to demo them, and he gave me the 'confused dog tilty head' look, and said 'no, we can't sell them!' . Chicken/egg thing here. Godin themselves instructed me to order one from Musician's Friend to see if I like it. I passed. I think these types of devices get sold to those who know what they are looking for. But I think a lot more loopers might be sold if stores a. had them or b. if the salesdudes knew how to demo them. I swear, I sold a dozen DL4s and quite a few EDPs just by performing, with people coming up to me and saying 'what is *that*??'. Guitar synth is a terrifying thing to the average guitarist. I am amazed Roland stuck with it this long, actually. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com ect: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors > > Once I was in the market for a Godin Multiac-SA, with the > idea of using it for both amplified acoustic guitar and synth > sounds. I went to the local Godin dealer, and they had no > acoustic guitar amps and no Roland synths. I was somewhat > flabbergasted, and asked them how they proposed to sell them, > and they said they sold plenty as it was. > > TravisH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 04:24:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A55A63BF7B; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 04:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:24:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 04:24:24 +0000 (UTC) At 1:38 PM -0800 12/24/05, David Coffin wrote: >On Dec 24, 2005, at 1:13 PM, mech wrote: >>I'm much more interested in twisting sounds sideways with the >>Harmonic Restructuring than I am playing traditional synth sounds > >But in the meantime, ANYone interested in HRM-COSM or general VG >synth-ing should understand how much more versatile the VG-8 is than >the 88. It all comes down to this: Per-string pitch-shifting is >GLOBAL on the 8, and NOT on the 88. Also, the 8 allows pedal >crossfading from shifted tones to unshifted; very musical: feedback >fading in, pedal-steel morphs, etc... *!!!* Really now? Velly intellesting... David, I actually checked out some of the demos of your patches posted over on www.vg-8.com. Nice! And I had assumed that any of the sounds produced by the VG-8 must *surely* be capable of being reproduced on the "more advanced" VG-88. Obviously, I was mistaken there. Looks like I'm going to have to spend some time comparing the manuals between the VG-8 & VG-88. I should probably take this over to private email (although that would deprive you of an opportunity to evangelize further :), but let me ask you a couple of simple questions while I've got your attention: What Instrument Models (let's forget about the Amp and Effect Models for a second) are included on the newer VG-88 that you can't get on the original VG-8? The General FAQ is somewhat incomplete in that respect. The FAQ also claims the VG-88 has greater modulation capabilities. To what in particular is that referring (more waveforms? different modulation destinations?). Can you do the pedal crossfades you mentioned using a MIDI Controller, or do you have to use an external expression pedal (I'm assuming probably an EV-5)? Finally, can the original VG-8 do the polyphonic "slow gear" effect? I've got the VG-8 manual downloading now, so mebbe I can pore through and figure out some of the answers myself. However, based on your comments, it now sounds like the VG-8 may better fit what i'm trying to accomplish... TIA!!! --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 04:37:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE1983BF78; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 04:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:38:02 -0800 Subject: re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3218301483_8706170" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 04:37:57 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3218301483_8706170 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I remember playing bass on the street in Cambridge, MA, in around 1980-something, with a Moose battery operated bass amp and a DOD analog delay. Playing at night in the doorway of a bank where the sound would echo around, and playing against the echoes of the delay and the echoes coming off all the marble and concrete, and thinking to myself how cool it would b= e if there was something that could really capture and repeat . . . Now we live in the future. Merry christmas, y=B9all. dan -- =20 ghost7=20 http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 --B_3218301483_8706170 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable re: gratuitous nostalgia     was:  re: Loop= ing in prehistory I remember playing bass on the street in Cambridge, MA= , in around 1980-something, with a Moose battery operated bass amp and a DOD= analog delay. Playing at night in the doorway of a bank where the sound wou= ld echo around, and playing against the echoes of the delay and the echoes c= oming off all the marble and concrete, and thinking to myself how cool it wo= uld be if there was something that could really capture and repeat . . .

Now we live in the future.


Merry christmas, y’all.

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 --B_3218301483_8706170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 12:26:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F60C3BF7A; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nAxmRmuz9mpL1W4DRcDRfJ1UTz+0KnswAGbNOEMBPHJrEc+BDZjU5aei5yjFT53cxg7GEwdANz99ORnqHpd7zq4gRMifmXZ19ZLXY5nf9eiHZd+0UHGIyVf8T3wPKnYMRHhLWG+ej2GnrEQFr2cQ1dsbiJ27L/Rpsf7mHvvgih4= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512250426p3dc1a63etf91a56b57e22c0a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:26:50 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1EqNNj08sd-0003ZP@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0MKp2t-1EqNNj08sd-0003ZP@mrelay.perfora.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:26:52 +0000 (UTC) On 12/25/05, hazard factor wrote: > This has, I am guessing, been working for the whole VG/guitar > synth/technology industry for awhile. I am not sure if I believe it. I as= ked > Godin if there were any dealers in my area who had a Multiac SA guitar, a= nd > the answer was no. In fact, the only Godin dealer told me 'we don't sell > those, so we don't order them'. Here in the UK, when I thought I wanted a fretless Godin (Multiac Fretless SA), I had to buy it on pure faith. No one in the UK stocked them, I had to order it *and pay for it in full* before the only dealer I could find who who was interested in taking my money would order it from Godin's European warehouse. It took six weeks to arrive. I adore it, but buying it was an act of sheer faith. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 14:49:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AC6C3BEB6; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 14:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:51:02 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015e01c60962$a07f4c60$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 14:49:42 +0000 (UTC) I'm sure there are some exceptions, but music stores are generally about as useful to me as computer stores. I have a software product (SlowGold) which is sold (theoretically) at Guitar Centers and Sam Ashes. I've gone into some of these stores to check on my product: no way to see it, no computers set up, no units in stock. Great places, music stores. And usually just a cut below car dealers when it comes to ethics (I'm sure we've all got stories galore about that). And if you ever find an employee who's got a clue and isn't a jerk, he/she probably will be gone the next time you get there. I never said any of this... Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 15:10:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E5F33BECF; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: P5 as a MIDI controller - first impression Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:12:20 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c60965$9a5e3550$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <20051223081613.16251.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Motivated by the reference to the Gypsi controller, I decided to use the christmas holidays for some experiments with my P5. For those among you who do not know the P5: it's a data glove which consists of the glove itself and a stationary sensor unit to which the glove is connected with a cable. The sensor unit interfaces to the computer (or whatever) via USB1.1 The system tracks the position and angle of the glove, giving you a total of six sensor informations. Plus, you get five more for the finger bending angles, and four buttons on the top of the glove (to be operated by the other hand), one of which is hardwired as an on/off button. The glove is only available as a right-hand model and can be found for 'round $20 new. There are drivers which convert the glove sensor data into MIDI controller messages (http://www.audiomulch.com/simulus/p5glove/). All of those currently available there only use the finger bending and x/y/z position (no angles alas...). My R&D setup consists of the glove, a windows computer with (one) MIDI interface and a Nord MicroModular. First impression: way cool! Depending on the patch, you can either use the glove to control weird washes of sound, control sound parameters of normal patches you play with your left hand, or play melodies with the glove. I'll explore this some more, stay tuned... Caveat: the drivers I use generate MIDI CC messages, no MIDI note commands. This somehow limits the choice of synthesizers you can use the glove to really play melodies. It works with the Modular... To use the glove to control software synths on the same computer, you need some kind of (software) MIDI patchbay. One of them is called MIDI Yoke - haven't played with that so far... Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Dezember 2005 09:16 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: GypsiMIDI Controller... - and lowcost alternatives Woah, the p5 glove sure has come down a lot... anyone do stuff with MIDI and a Macintosh on one of those?=20 That sure seems FUN.... In your face Pamela Z! --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I got myself a P5 glove (by a company whose name I > do not remember, but > I remember a price somewhere in the $20 range). > The Memory VST plugin uses it - and recently (more > precisely after > reading your message), I found that there are in > fact glove-to-MIDI > drivers available: >=20 >=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2005 20:23 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: GypsiMIDI Controller... >=20 >=20 > http://www.sonalog.com/ >=20 > Interesting gesture-based MIDI controller (their > site has several > Quicktime video demos). I especially like the vocal > loop capture=20 > demonstration in the "Mocap Rap" video. >=20 > This might work especially well for putting a little > visual interest > back into those "tablecore" laptop shows. Damn > thing is bloody=20 > expensive, though... >=20 > --m. >=20 > -- > _______ > "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" >=20 >=20 >=20 =09 __________________________________________=20 Yahoo! DSL =96 Something to write home about.=20 Just $16.99/mo. or less.=20 dsl.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 15:24:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41C1A3BECD; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AEBC5D.9040909@tiscali.it> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:35:57 +0100 From: FZ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: P5 as a MIDI controller - first impression References: <000501c60965$9a5e3550$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> In-Reply-To: <000501c60965$9a5e3550$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Let us know more about the P5 as you explore it. I'm planning on getting one (anyone in Europe wants to sell?). Check out the P5 yahoo group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/p5glove/ and the community page at http://www.zzz.com.ru/index.php?area=pages&action=view_page&page_id=11 for a lot more software and updated 3rd party drivers. And I'd suggest using MIDI Yoke and an amazing host called Bidule, by Plogue (it does the MIDI patchbay thing amazingly well among other things) if you really want to open up the possibilities. Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >Motivated by the reference to the Gypsi controller, I decided to use the >christmas holidays for some experiments with my P5. > >For those among you who do not know the P5: it's a data glove which >consists of the glove itself and a stationary sensor unit to which the >glove is connected with a cable. The sensor unit interfaces to the >computer (or whatever) via USB1.1 > >The system tracks the position and angle of the glove, giving you a >total of six sensor informations. Plus, you get five more for the finger >bending angles, and four buttons on the top of the glove (to be operated >by the other hand), one of which is hardwired as an on/off button. The >glove is only available as a right-hand model and can be found for >'round $20 new. > >There are drivers which convert the glove sensor data into MIDI >controller messages (http://www.audiomulch.com/simulus/p5glove/). All of >those currently available there only use the finger bending and x/y/z >position (no angles alas...). > >My R&D setup consists of the glove, a windows computer with (one) MIDI >interface and a Nord MicroModular. > >First impression: way cool! Depending on the patch, you can either use >the glove to control weird washes of sound, control sound parameters of >normal patches you play with your left hand, or play melodies with the >glove. I'll explore this some more, stay tuned... > >Caveat: the drivers I use generate MIDI CC messages, no MIDI note >commands. This somehow limits the choice of synthesizers you can use the >glove to really play melodies. It works with the Modular... > >To use the glove to control software synths on the same computer, you >need some kind of (software) MIDI patchbay. One of them is called MIDI >Yoke - haven't played with that so far... > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 17:39:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C9263BEC7; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,292,1131339600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="594442661:sNHT25089574" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-458827436 Message-Id: <68E9D53F-EA67-4045-A640-1E418ED47C55@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:38:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <7Uw4U.A.IrE.0ktrDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:39:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-458827436 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Dec 24, 2005, at 8:24 PM, mech wrote: > David, I actually checked out some of the demos of your patches =20 > posted over on www.vg-8.com. Nice! And I had assumed that any of =20 > the sounds produced by the VG-8 must *surely* be capable of being =20 > reproduced on the "more advanced" VG-88. Obviously, I was mistaken =20= > there. Yup; the 88 is NOT an added-features version of the 8; that was the =20 8ex; Roland did update the 8, and have also updated the 88, but they =20 remain very different implementations of the basic idea, with NO way =20 to exactly duplicate any of the synth (or other) sounds from one to =20 the other, altho in some cases you might come close, esp. with the =20 basic guitar sounds. There are a few nominally similar models in =20 each, but by the time you=92ve added FX (VERY different FX on each =20 piece) or the pitch-shifting, they=92re chalk and cheese. Comparing the two beasts, you can almost hear the development team=92s =20= marching orders: =93How can we make this idea more attractive and less =20= confusing to more players? And always remember, 99 out of 100 guys =20 will NEVER use the synth features, so let=92s not spend too much time =20= or $$ on this. Think cover band, but toss a few synth crumbs in for =20 the weirdos, so they=92ll want to get one of these, too, and we don't =20= look like nothing but bean counters.=94 > > Looks like I'm going to have to spend some time comparing the =20 > manuals between the VG-8 & VG-88. I should probably take this over =20= > to private email (although that would deprive you of an opportunity =20= > to evangelize further :), but let me ask you a couple of simple =20 > questions while I've got your attention: > > What Instrument Models (let's forget about the Amp and Effect =20 > Models for a second) are included on the newer VG-88 that you can't =20= > get on the original VG-8? The General FAQ is somewhat incomplete =20 > in that respect. Without digging out exact names, the significant new stuff that I =20 most remember on the 88 included: a nice way to create percussive, =20 non-sustaining envelopes, so you could get kinda convincing marimba/=20 xylophone-type sounds, with lots of editing options (this was in the =20 88=92s revamp of the 8=92s Crystal model); a very cool filter bass = model; =20 and the nylon-string model. Sorry to be so inexact, but I=92ve been =20 woefully neglecting my guitar gear lately:( > > The FAQ also claims the VG-88 has greater modulation capabilities. =20 > To what in particular is that referring (more waveforms? different =20 > modulation destinations?). On the 8, there=92s only one destination for the pedal, and the pedal =20= plus some toggle switches are pretty much it for sources; the 88 has =20 multiple destinations and you can add an out-board exp pedal, plus =20 toggles. > > Can you do the pedal crossfades you mentioned using a MIDI =20 > Controller, or do you have to use an external expression pedal (I'm =20= > assuming probably an EV-5)? Good question; I always use an EV, and haven=92t explored the MIDI =20 options. But they aren=92t too deep as I recall. > > Finally, can the original VG-8 do the polyphonic "slow gear" effect? Nope; that=92s an 88 trick. > > I've got the VG-8 manual downloading now, so mebbe I can pore =20 > through and figure out some of the answers myself. However, based =20 > on your comments, it now sounds like the VG-8 may better fit what =20 > i'm trying to accomplish... Unfortunately, my extensive and detailed reviews of both these boxes =20 have disappeared from HCentral, and vg-8.com is no more, altho it=92s =20= morphing into a wiki as we speak. But the yahoogroup is quite active; =20= here=92s a quote from a recent-ish thread on this topic: =93In a nutshell, I think it goes like this: If you primarily want your =20= VG to allow you to explore new and unheard-before sounds, get an 8ex; =20= it has better synth models AND it features global pitch-shifting so =20 that ALL models can be shifted in the same ways, not just a few as =20 offered on the 88, adding essential depths to the synth models and =20 allowing even otherwise traditional tones to get very synthetic, too. =20= If you mostly want to accurately model existing guitars/amps, the 88 =20 is somewhat more versatile, more flexible and more contemporary...and =20= can be driven by both hex and mag pickups. My personal preference is =20 to use my magnetic pickups for the normal guitar tones, via non-hex =20 modelers (currently favoring the Tonelab for cleanish sounds and the =20 PODXT for the grinds...but all this is very subjective; my GT-5 and 6 =20= both have great tones, too, and I still love my noisy DG-Stomp as =20 well; can't part with any of 'em!), and use the VGs (I have both, but =20= mostly use the 8) for the unique, hex-pickup-based sounds that only =20 they offer (despite the nasty hums). dc=94 The =93hum=94 problem is a nasty situation that can arise when linking = an =20 8 and an 88 with Roland=92s US-20 ABY switcher; this may have been =20 fixed in currently shipping versions, but I can=92t confirm. There=92s no question that the 88 has some very cool synth and FX =20 features, but if that=92s what you=92re going for, instead of a variax = in =20 a box, get an 8ex. You won=92t regret it:) Even if there=92s an 888 at =20= the next NAMM... More questions always welcome, here or privately. Best, dc --Apple-Mail-2-458827436 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
On Dec 24, 2005, = at 8:24 PM, mech wrote:

David, I actually = checked out some of the demos of your patches posted over on www.vg-8.com.=A0 Nice!=A0 And I had assumed that any of = the sounds produced by the VG-8 must *surely* be capable of being = reproduced on the "more advanced" VG-88.=A0 Obviously, I was mistaken = there.


Yup; the 88 is NOT an = added-features version of the 8; that was the 8ex; Roland did update the = 8, and have also updated the 88, but they remain very different = implementations of the basic idea, with NO way to exactly duplicate any = of the synth (or other) sounds from one to the other, altho in some = cases you might come close, esp. with the basic guitar sounds. There are = a few nominally similar models in each, but by the time you=92ve added = FX (VERY different FX on each piece) or the pitch-shifting, they=92re = chalk and cheese.

Comparing the two beasts, = you can almost hear the development team=92s marching orders: =93How can = we make this idea more attractive and less confusing to more players? = And always remember, 99 out of 100 guys will NEVER use the synth = features, so=A0let=92s not spend too much time or $$ on this. Think = cover band, but toss a few synth crumbs in for the weirdos, so they=92ll = want to get one of these, too, and we don't look like nothing but bean = counters.=94


=


Looks like I'm going to have to spend some time comparing = the manuals between the VG-8 & VG-88.=A0 I should probably take this = over to private email (although that would deprive you of an opportunity = to evangelize further :), but let me ask you a couple of simple = questions while I've got your attention:


What Instrument Models (let's forget about the Amp and Effect = Models for a second) are included on the newer VG-88 that you can't get = on the original VG-8?=A0 = The General FAQ is somewhat incomplete in that = respect.


Without digging out exact = names, the significant new stuff that I most remember on the 88 = included: a nice way to create percussive, non-sustaining envelopes, so = you could get kinda convincing marimba/xylophone-type sounds, with lots = of editing options (this was in the 88=92s revamp of the 8=92s Crystal = model); a very cool filter bass model; and the nylon-string model. Sorry = to be so inexact, but I=92ve been woefully neglecting my guitar gear = lately:(


=


The FAQ also claims the VG-88 has greater modulation = capabilities. To what in particular is that referring (more waveforms? = different modulation destinations?).


On the 8, there=92s only = one destination for the pedal, and the pedal plus some toggle switches = are pretty much it for sources; the 88 has multiple destinations and you = can add an out-board exp pedal, plus toggles.=A0


Can you do the pedal crossfades you mentioned = using a MIDI Controller, or do you have to use an external expression = pedal (I'm assuming probably an EV-5)?


Good question; I always use = an EV, and haven=92t explored the MIDI options. But they aren=92t too = deep as I recall.


Finally, can the original VG-8 do the polyphonic "slow gear" = effect?


Nope; that=92s an 88 = trick.


I've got the VG-8 manual downloading now, so mebbe I can pore = through and figure out some of the answers myself.=A0 However, based on your = comments, it now sounds like the VG-8 may better fit what i'm trying to = accomplish...


Unfortunately, my = extensive and detailed reviews of both these boxes have disappeared from = HCentral, and vg-8.com is no more, altho it=92s morphing into a wiki as = we speak. But the yahoogroup is quite active; here=92s a quote from a = recent-ish thread on this topic:

=93In a = nutshell, I think it goes like this: If you primarily want your VG to = allow you to explore new and unheard-before sounds, get an 8ex; it has = better synth models AND it features global pitch-shifting so that ALL = models can be shifted in the same ways, not just a few as offered on the = 88, adding essential depths to the synth models and allowing even = otherwise traditional tones to get very synthetic, too. If you mostly = want to accurately model existing guitars/amps, the 88 is somewhat more = versatile, more flexible and more contemporary...and can be driven by = both hex and mag pickups. My personal preference is to use my magnetic = pickups for the normal guitar tones, via non-hex modelers (currently = favoring the Tonelab for cleanish sounds and the PODXT for the = grinds...but all this is very subjective; my GT-5 and 6 both have great = tones, too, and I still love my noisy DG-Stomp as well; can't part with = any of 'em!), and use the VGs (I have both, but mostly use the 8) for = the unique, hex-pickup-based sounds that only they offer (despite the = nasty hums).
dc=94

The =93hum=94 problem is a nasty situation that can = arise when linking an 8 and an 88 with Roland=92s US-20 ABY switcher; = this may have been fixed in currently shipping versions, but I can=92t = confirm.

There=92s no = question that the 88 has some very cool synth and FX features, but if = that=92s what you=92re going for, instead of a variax in a box, get an = 8ex. You won=92t regret it:) Even if there=92s an 888 at the next = NAMM...

More = questions always=A0welcome, here or privately.
=A0Best,=A0
dc



= --Apple-Mail-2-458827436-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 18:29:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF1D3BEC7; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AEE4F0.40400@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:29:04 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sample rate References: <20051219024141.06C923BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051219112651.02856eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <43A7B881.6060709@soundscapes.us> <0EF1BA3B-555B-43C2-A979-3166CB4F5064@bartholomusic.com> In-Reply-To: <0EF1BA3B-555B-43C2-A979-3166CB4F5064@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0d0KSD.A.J3F.FUurDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > this is where SOME info is worse than NO info. > dude think about it. > u have a wave at 1/2 the sample frequency. think about it like > connect-the-dots. > the only ones u can plot are the max(positive) and min(negative) > points of the wave. NOW connect the dots and what do u have. thats > right a sawtooth wave. even if the original was a sine. > but at least u have the frequency. forget about phase what about shape > or tone? > even if u sampled at a frequency high enough to give u three or even 4 > points to connect, its STILL approximate, very far from the shape of > the original and certainly not "all the information of the original > signal". Dude, there is no connect the dots in a sampled system. Electronically, the dots AREN'T connected. The DAC outputs a stepped series of voltages that feed a reconstruction filter, i.e. an LPF. This filter takes your so-called sawtooth, filters out everything above the LPF's pernamently set cutoff frequency and voila, you get a sine wave! Think about it a minute. The LPF is set to filter out everything above (0.5)fs, where fs is the sampling frequency. fs is the first possible overtone of ANY waveform that isn't a sine. What you think is a sawtooth is actually a square wave. But you won't hear anything except the original sine wave being reconstructed. The lack of information or understanding is yours. I can't give you the engineering background required to prove that I'm right. You'll have to spend a few years first, learning higher mathematics andinformation theory. But every CD player, every DVD player, every minidisc, DAT, and iPod prove me right. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 18:32:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6657B3BECD; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AEE5B2.10400@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:32:18 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sample rate References: <00b201c6059b$c349a0d0$0402a8c0@Lightning> <44687f490512201139r348451bdq4c8fd3c8f7aab74e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <44687f490512201139r348451bdq4c8fd3c8f7aab74e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Tom Combs wrote: > I thought the Nyquist theorem is all about reconstructing a signal > once sampled. A signal is not reconstructed by simply "connecting the > dots", it is reconstructed by passing it through a low pass filter. > If you pass a sawtooth, triangle, square, or any other variety of > periodic signal with frequency f through a low pass filter whose > passband is perfectly flat up until frequency f, and then perfectly 0 > beyond f, then what comes out is a pure sine wave of frequency f - > that's because squares, triangles and whatnot all contain harmonics in > addition to the pure sine wave that dictates its fundamental frequency. > > A signal sampled at twice the Nyquist frequency can be perfectly > reconstructed in a world of perfect filters and perfect sampling devices. Right on! Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 18:40:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 230F63BEC5; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000c01c60982$b17681d0$9065e242@stroot> Reply-To: "Adrian" From: "Adrian" To: References: <20051219024141.06C923BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051219112651.02856eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <43A7B881.6060709@soundscapes.us> <0EF1BA3B-555B-43C2-A979-3166CB4F5064@bartholomusic.com> <43AEE4F0.40400@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: sample rate Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:40:29 -0600 Organization: BARTHOLOMEW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <0fQRnC.A.rIG.meurDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:40:39 +0000 (UTC) im not arguing with u. and im not going to try to prove anything to u based on my background knowledge, which u know nothing of. but let me say this, u r also a victim of ur arrogance. just suppose, just suppose that the high freq ur trying to reproduce is NOT a sine wave but u still only have 2 points (a sawtooth wave), what then?? a sine wave?? what was the argument about? to prove ME wrong or to discuss the limits of 44.1kHz u sound to me like the guy that would bring up last months argument when u find urself at the losing end of todays with ur wife. cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: Re: sample rate > Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > > > this is where SOME info is worse than NO info. > > dude think about it. > > u have a wave at 1/2 the sample frequency. think about it like > > connect-the-dots. > > the only ones u can plot are the max(positive) and min(negative) > > points of the wave. NOW connect the dots and what do u have. thats > > right a sawtooth wave. even if the original was a sine. > > but at least u have the frequency. forget about phase what about shape > > or tone? > > even if u sampled at a frequency high enough to give u three or even 4 > > points to connect, its STILL approximate, very far from the shape of > > the original and certainly not "all the information of the original > > signal". > > Dude, there is no connect the dots in a sampled system. Electronically, > the dots AREN'T connected. The DAC outputs a stepped series of voltages > that feed a reconstruction filter, i.e. an LPF. This filter takes your > so-called sawtooth, filters out everything above the LPF's pernamently > set cutoff frequency and voila, you get a sine wave! Think about it a > minute. The LPF is set to filter out everything above (0.5)fs, where fs > is the sampling frequency. fs is the first possible overtone of ANY > waveform that isn't a sine. What you think is a sawtooth is actually a > square wave. But you won't hear anything except the original sine wave > being reconstructed. > > The lack of information or understanding is yours. I can't give you the > engineering background required to prove that I'm right. You'll have to > spend a few years first, learning higher mathematics andinformation > theory. But every CD player, every DVD player, every minidisc, DAT, and > iPod prove me right. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 18:55:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC41F3BEC1; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AEEB26.7030908@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:55:34 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sample rate References: <20051219024141.06C923BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051219112651.02856eb0@tiscali.co.uk> <43AA7FB2.70309@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <43AA7FB2.70309@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> Or, alternatively, as Jon explained, >> a 22050Hz signal is only captured by 44100Hz sampling if the sampling >> happens to occur at the peaks and troughs of the signal, and not >> at the zero crossing points. > > Which is only true for exact 22050 Hz at 44100 Hz sampling rate. > Do you really want to sample exactly a 22050 Hz signal with a 44100 Hz > sampling rate? The phase weirdness happens with the analog filters > before the converter. 22050 Hz is the theoratical border which cannot > be passed, the amplitude and phase you get for this one frequency is > arbitrary. But we are talking about real world problems don't we ;-) > > Stefan Right on, Stefan. The anti-aliasing filter in an audio sampling system is designed to remove frequencies above (0.5)Fs (Fs=the sampling frequency) that would alias, or fold back into the audio range. Remember folks, we're in the real world where there is no such thing as a true brick wall filter. Guard bands are built into sampling systems. Does anyone here have a block diagram to scan it for all the non-engineers to inspect? It might shed some light on what's really going on. In the real world, the antialiasing filter removes frequencies above a certain point to allow the sampling system to work properly, without having to deal with frequencies at or above half the sampling frequency. The signal is then sampled periodically and presented to an ADC to make a digital word for storage. Upon playback, the digital word is fed periodically with the same sample frequency to a DAC whose output is fed to the reconstruction (or smoothing) filter to smooth out the DAC's output. Sampling frequency and filter characteristics are carefully chosen so that the real word doesn't harm the signal in an audible manner. In order to have a response up to 20kHz, one does NOT sample at 40kHz. That is why CDs use 44.1kHz so that a guard band protects the signal where the real world would mess with it. With Fs = 44.1kHz, one does not expect to reproduce a 22.05kHz signal. In fact, we try to prevent such a frequency from ever being sampled in the first place. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 19:22:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29A633BECA; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <086f01c60988$88da2dc0$a5b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: FYI: Free Improv Music Streaming to the Web Now Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:22:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_086C_01C6094D.DB761AC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ****: 4.972000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.panic.com) (http://www.panic.co) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 420, in=185296, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <6JPe0B.A.GTH.zFvrDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:22:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_086C_01C6094D.DB761AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Free-Improvisation@googlegroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: Free Improv Music Streaming to the Web Now For those of you who have nothing better to do on Xmas day, I am = streaming three free improv CDs of mine to the web. They are: Dempa - "Nine Fragments" Voltage - Self Titled Parker, Guy, Lytton, & Crispell - "Natives & Aliens" To listen to the stream go to http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on = "Listen") =20 Recommended players are as follows:=20 a.. Windows users should use Winamp = http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download=20 a.. Mac users should use Audion = http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html=20 a.. Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS http://www.xmms.org=20 ------=_NextPart_000_086C_01C6094D.DB761AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FYI
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Kris = Hartung=20
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 12:19 PM
Subject: Free Improv Music Streaming to the Web = Now

For those of you who have nothing = better to do on=20 Xmas day, I am streaming three free improv CDs of mine to the web. They=20 are:
 
Dempa - "Nine Fragments"
Voltage - Self Titled
Parker, Guy, Lytton, & Crispell - = "Natives=20 & Aliens"
 
To listen to the stream go to http://216.12.162.58:9030/  = (Click on "Listen")  =
 
Recommended players are as follows: =
 
  • Windows users should use Winamp = http://www.winamp.com/wina= mp/download=20
  • Mac users should use Audion http://www.panic.co= m/ppack/audion/index.html=20
  • Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS = http://www.xmms.org=20
    • ------=_NextPart_000_086C_01C6094D.DB761AC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 21:38:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3FB23BED6; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Snt9aDzNt5qDQ7qgEgIxAuqEoEM44BrogD68NEZEdzTRrNr6XwHZY6madpk68ao5ZNVPI3wazl2CSSL+DH+rc1PARMu8m9DM8jMM1gpq3CAYf+wkb/mlx148QW1aWJGQHTAoajHy9NNodhAn2ZlALl2gLTpaodzjPRd74k+FNis= ; Message-ID: <20051225213849.53702.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:38:49 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: happy holidays To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1889759649-1135546729=:48363" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:38:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-1889759649-1135546729=:48363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Merry Cristmass folks, been a good fun year here for me. hope my rants dont ruffel no feathers Best wishes to all, and thanks, danny visionary P.S slap-happy new years to yins too. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-1889759649-1135546729=:48363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Merry Cristmass folks,
     
    been a good fun year here for me.
    hope my rants dont ruffel no feathers
     
     
    Best wishes to all,
         and thanks,         danny visionary
     
     
    P.S   slap-happy new years to yins too.

    Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-1889759649-1135546729=:48363-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 25 22:29:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AE003BEC7; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43AF1D53.9040108@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 23:29:39 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors References: <0MKp2t-1EqLHf2kSN-0003eR@mrelay.perfora.net> In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1EqLHf2kSN-0003eR@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:29:43 +0000 (UTC) hazard factor wrote: > Anytime I looked at one, the salesdude (and that's what he was) > would come by and say 'isn't that cool' and walk away. These things have to > be set up per player, and I got no help even if I asked. It is hard for > Roland to sell technology to guitarists because they can't even keep the > display models working- the Strat had 2 knobs *broken* off. I tried to play > it, and it was set to a piano sound, It sounded like a cat ran across the > piano, really- it wasn't set up at all for my playing style. That reminds me at how I got my Peavey Midi bass: I was working in a big store (Berlin, Germany) in the homestudio departement and they had this wonderful Midibase bass from Peavey in the Bass/Guitar departement, and nobody to show it. Ok I just took it to my departement and showing sequencer software with a Midi Bass instead of a keyboard as an input (that way at least I sold cool software, and it was a lot of fun to play it). Finally when I was leaving my job there, I asked them to sell it to me, but the price they were thinking of was way out of my budget (something like several thousand DM). Two years later I was asking if they still had the bass, but they couldn't find it and I assumed it was sold. Two years ago I was at the shop again, just wondering if they remeber this impressive instrument, and I found out they did not sell it within 8 years or so, and gave it to me for 300 Euros including the synth (which I never use)... Now I should try to get an old V-Bass for my fretless, they might give it away cheaper as the model runs out... ;-) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 00:32:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEE873BED2; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 00:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rZSoeBxRemlkwzH0RGE0ezJohKdHOQikshcuxgFYgTig9yoWrwe9XzOKuD7ddI7+SIn2HnEg1VnSTc7NWVbkUTnGh8i/D8M3D8uLkS6MRsZ423FyAltx8OLQ4BOxDyUAL/vnhK2ktoi82gPhC/od3LFwbFJpdZdFpR8OdtLo5x8= ; Message-ID: <20051226003228.12653.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 16:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 00:32:29 +0000 (UTC) As someone who's been a guitar synth fan for a long time, I have to say that after a few weeks with a nice keyboard MIDI controller... I sold my Guitar MIDI setup. No use for it really. I found I could play better synth stuff on the keyboard than I ever could with the guitar. I always wished the V stuff was a bit cheaper though as I thought it might be better. If Parker releases a commercial version of their Fly/Line6 moder I would be tempted... Mark --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > i have been hearing speculations in other forums > that > > these devices are not in the new roland catalogs > and > > will therefore soon dissapear due to new upcoming > > guitar modeling technology like the line 6 variax > > etc.i couldn´t imagine this happening after all > roland > > has gone through to keep this type of technology > in > > the market,i am also curious how many of us in > this > > list use them... > > I have a Roland GR-30 and a Roland V-Bass (being the > much less common bass > version of the VG-88 series). I don't use them > often, but did set them up > last week for the first time in a while (Eagle > 6-string fretless with GK > pickup into the V-Bass, Chapman stick with GK pickup > into the GR-30). > Nice. Should play more with them. > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 01:08:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42E563BED5; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DSuJxMRG6XaCygwSM0utFWBAcZuxmCbgqOLYq0pBJh+mX8ug0FLlPc+bt0nKwnHGEdXFoYaFiU4O0Te3zNOHpmm4Z0pCE2qBlsR6/5sMy9KyENJdBGa50+XuAFKuWk+ffVErMxd2Tu/IxGJAtpWZECYIjrXNBLnERlJsITO5l6c= ; Message-ID: <20051226010842.88021.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:08:42 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Godin Multiac Was: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051225152454.A9B553BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Travis, You should've come by my house, I had a Multiac along with the Axon and the GR-33 for a few years... I eventually tired of the language that was required to access the programming on the Axon (I don't speak Geek at all). The GR-33 had simpler programming with superior sounds, the Axon had far superior response time and programming with a sucky factory soundset (to my ear and sensibilities). The store that used to carry Godin in Seattle is now out of business. When I went in there a few years ago, they did have a few Godin's in stock, even a Multiac SA. I asked about plugging it into a GR-33 and they said they'd have to get one from one of their other stores. Two days later they called me and said that it was in, so I went down there and gave it a workout. Not bad for a store that specilizes in music lessons and band instruments... Still, most of their good stuff was in their Bellevue store where they could "sell to kids in High School who had rich daddies" (their words) a lot easier. I eventually found a Godin Multiac on eBay, though in the process was mistakenly sent the Godin ACS (a cheaper solidbody nylon) which I was able to keep for a few weeks until my Multiac arrived. I far preferred the playing action and feel of the Multiac, though I noticed that the ACS was a better source for the GR-33, probably due to the sustain qualities. Even though I didn't enjoy the guitar as much, I preferred playing the GR-33 much more with the cheaper ACS. Speaking of Guitar Center for a moment, I hear many people kinda bashing them. As it must be difficult being a major music retailer in general, I have to say that I have had mostly very positive experiences at the local Seattle Guitar Center. Of course you have to know your sales people and avoid the clueless ones. The local GC seems to have a large enough percentage of knowledgeable sales staff to have made most of my visits there over the years quite enjoyable. In this regard, your mileage may vary... to the extreme. Stephen > Once I was in the market for a Godin Multiac-SA, with the idea of using it for both amplified acoustic guitar and synth sounds. I went to the local Godin dealer, and they had no acoustic guitar amps and no Roland synths. I was somewhat flabbergasted, and asked them how they proposed to sell them, and they said they sold plenty as it was. TravisH __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 01:10:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCE943BED6; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:49:56 -0500 Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors From: Craig Mitchell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051226003228.12653.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3218384997_72659_MIME_Part" X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <1ilseB.A.3gH.sL0rDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:10:04 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3218384997_72659_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I use alot of guitar synth but always found the Roland Guitar synth sounds very limiting. My solution....I use a Roland MIDI pickup and into a AXON controller. That way, I can use any sound module or keybaord I want. I can even trigger VSTi= s with it. Currently I am using a Roland Fantom XR. I needed a single space rack and it was a close call between the Motif and the Fantom XR but the fact that the Fantom has a sampler was the key. (The Axon tracks great by the way) I agree that most music stores have no idea how to sell this stuff (or even set it up) as the best results come from combining gear from various gear manufacturers. I think those seeking an all-in-one solution are always goin= g to miss out on the more interesting applications gear can be used (and abused) for. Craig on 12/25/05 7:32 PM, mark sottilaro at zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com wrote: > As someone who's been a guitar synth fan for a long > time, I have to say that after a few weeks with a nice > keyboard MIDI controller... I sold my Guitar MIDI > setup. No use for it really. I found I could play > better synth stuff on the keyboard than I ever could > with the guitar. I always wished the V stuff was a > bit cheaper though as I thought it might be better. > If Parker releases a commercial version of their > Fly/Line6 moder I would be tempted... >=20 > Mark >=20 > --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: >=20 >> On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Luis Angulo wrote: >>=20 >>> i have been hearing speculations in other forums >> that >>> these devices are not in the new roland catalogs >> and >>> will therefore soon dissapear due to new upcoming >>> guitar modeling technology like the line 6 variax >>> etc.i couldn=B4t imagine this happening after all >> roland >>> has gone through to keep this type of technology >> in >>> the market,i am also curious how many of us in >> this >>> list use them... >>=20 >> I have a Roland GR-30 and a Roland V-Bass (being the >> much less common bass >> version of the VG-88 series). I don't use them >> often, but did set them up >> last week for the first time in a while (Eagle >> 6-string fretless with GK >> pickup into the V-Bass, Chapman stick with GK pickup >> into the GR-30). >> Nice. Should play more with them. >>=20 >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________ > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ --MS_Mac_OE_3218384997_72659_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors

    I use alot of guitar synth but always found the Roland Guitar synth sounds = very limiting.

    My solution....I use a Roland MIDI pickup and into a AXON controller. That = way, I can use any sound module or keybaord I want. I can even trigger VSTis= with it. Currently I am using a Roland Fantom XR. I needed a single space r= ack and it was a close call between the Motif and the Fantom XR but the fact= that the Fantom has a sampler was the key.

    (The Axon tracks great by the way)

    I agree that most music stores have no idea how to sell this stuff (or even= set it up) as the best results come from combining gear from various gear m= anufacturers. I think those seeking an all-in-one solution are always going = to miss out on the more interesting applications gear can be used (and abuse= d) for.

    Craig

    on 12/25/05 7:32 PM, mark sottilaro at zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com wrote:
    > As someone who's been a guitar synth fan for a long
    > time, I have to say that after a few weeks with a nice
    > keyboard MIDI controller... I sold my Guitar MIDI
    > setup.  No use for it really.  I found I could play
    > better synth stuff on the keyboard than I ever could
    > with the guitar.  I always wished the V stuff was a
    > bit cheaper though as I thought it might be better.
    > If Parker releases a commercial version of their
    > Fly/Line6 moder I would be tempted...
    >
    > Mark
    >
    > --- burnett@pobox.com wrote:
    >
    >> On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Luis Angulo wrote:
    >>
    >>> i have been hearing speculations in other forums
    >> that
    >>> these devices are not in the new roland catalogs
    >> and
    >>> will therefore soon dissapear due to new upcoming
    >>> guitar modeling technology like the line 6 variax
    >>> etc.i couldn=B4t imagine this happening after all
    >> roland
    >>> has gone through to keep this type of technology
    >> in
    >>> the market,i am also curious how many of us in
    >> this
    >>> list use them...
    >>
    >> I have a Roland GR-30 and a Roland V-Bass (being the
    >> much less common bass
    >> version of the VG-88 series). I don't use them
    >> often, but did set them up
    >> last week for the first time in a while (Eagle
    >> 6-string fretless with GK
    >> pickup into the V-Bass, Chapman stick with GK pickup
    >> into the GR-30).
    >> Nice. Should play more with them.
    >>
    >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > __________________________________
    > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.
    > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/
    --MS_Mac_OE_3218384997_72659_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 01:21:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC02E3BEDD; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20051225202143.xvb27slqo840kgo8@www.wightman.ca> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:21:43 -0500 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors References: <015e01c60962$a07f4c60$0402a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: <015e01c60962$a07f4c60$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-26.0 required=8.0 tests=HELO_DYNAMIC_COMCAST=3.533, NO_REAL_NAME=0.5,RCVD_IP_216_110_224=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:21:51 +0000 (UTC) I think that is the motto of most stores.... never hire someone who knows anything about the product. I once went into Elderly Instruments in Lansing to check out some of their hammered dulcimers. Not a single one was in tune and no one there could demonstrate. So after I tuned all the dulcimers and tried them all out, someone offered me a job. To bad I didn't live close enough to take them up the offer. Paul Haslem Ontario Canada Quoting Warren Sirota : > I'm sure there are some exceptions, but music stores are generally about as > useful to me as computer stores. I have a software product (SlowGold) which > is sold (theoretically) at Guitar Centers and Sam Ashes. I've gone into some > of these stores to check on my product: no way to see it, no computers set > up, no units in stock. Great places, music stores. And usually just a cut > below car dealers when it comes to ethics (I'm sure we've all got stories > galore about that). And if you ever find an employee who's got a clue and > isn't a jerk, he/she probably will be gone the next time you get there. > > I never said any of this... > > Warren > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 01:27:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4642A3BED0; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MP90T5d5ueImypxGKyqk0zaJTvR4OorEsyOsaM5nS3fAfXBMBR5wl142SSqSVlRO0LyAWR3l7AcMCcnnop2i+fBzeM35npjckeTdfpjCaMpQSTR5ywlW3fBq1yh3bRBX4ddkvkQzn2hPgs+/6tLobo5ThGnwJFkeEPnL+kINZ3M= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:27:34 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Godin Multiac Was: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 In-Reply-To: <20051226010842.88021.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051225152454.A9B553BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> <20051226010842.88021.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:27:37 +0000 (UTC) It *was* the Bellevue store that I was dealing with... Godin's problem is that they're a "family oriented" business and prefer to have non Big-Box retailers as their dealers. Unfortunately, these places are generally are generally no more informed than GC, but they do offer poorer selection and higher prices. TravisH On 12/25/05, S V G wrote: > > Travis, > [snip] > > The store that used to carry Godin in Seattle is now out of business= . When I went in there a > few years ago, they did have a few Godin's in stock, even a Multiac SA. = I asked about plugging it > into a GR-33 and they said they'd have to get one from one of their other= stores. Two days later > they called me and said that it was in, so I went down there and gave it = a workout. Not bad for a > store that specilizes in music lessons and band instruments... Still, mo= st of their good stuff > was in their Bellevue store where they could "sell to kids in High School= who had rich daddies" > (their words) a lot easier. > Stephen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 03:06:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C0033BECC; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 03:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u9U+A5LcxSEOMIbwOwrj8e4fbzQWSZM1LmIVmsA3o2YJecZmQfZ9yevq9Pz3/uRwuiTIrPeH9YD7niyvfoG8jrxayWzZn7k8P73ByHNqMG8uJRFDijdYqZrjDkygNwQMoeeLCMCpQhLm3217CH96lr3TuJugplBHx7jttL2/d5M= ; Message-ID: <20051226030558.20566.qmail@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:05:58 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Repeater Noise Mod To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051225192228.91DA53BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 03:06:03 +0000 (UTC) As promised here is the PDF of the Repeater Noise Mod. It's on my website which is housed at my friends house who has an old server (not very fast). The file size is 25 MB and it takes about 4 minutes to download even with a fast Internet connection. The plan is to put this up on LD soon. If you don't need it right away, best to wait until it's up there so as to not overload my friend's server. Happy holidays to all, Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 03:09:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D0AB3BEDD; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 03:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fQ6zDZSnossuqAoZeH/lrxOHcqqknL0DEmEz5b4IGZTK1kGdzzhIKWfUBl91KLNnumSKqQ+VB0FF6aF9AdAvVgjvicQuqPsos1lFb77lUKsa+naGd3xWbf3edG/cHWVCIxY/gZQKU2OubU2ZCZz9VBD9U7hKk0f2b6QFzuuZXfs= ; Message-ID: <20051226030923.72930.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:09:23 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Repeater Noise Mod To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051225192228.91DA53BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 03:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Oops, I forgot to give the link... :) http://www.sohl.com/Improvisations/index.htm __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 15:28:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2C7B3BED5; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Bernhard Wagner's "The Fourth Night" CD Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:27:42 +0100 Message-ID: <036901c60a30$edbea4c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20051224064209.E5915CA08E@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Thank you very much for this, Joe! You made my day! After receiving the packaged "Fourth Night" CDs from the factory, I = started developing ambiguous feelings about it. The first track is very = personal; I prefer leaving the room when people listen to it. So I'm really happy to have such a positive and personal response to it! BTW: I'm still chewing on your interesting post about context... In any case: Thank you very much, Joe! ... nice Christmas! Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: joe rut [mailto:joerut@lycos.com] > Sent: Samstag, 24. Dezember 2005 07:42 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Bernhard Wagner's "The Fourth Night" CD >=20 > OK. I've had this CD for a week or two now and I didn't listen to it > because I wanted to be able to hear the whole thing in one sitting and = pay > attention.....and my work schedule hasn't allowed me that until today. > Today I put on the headphones, sat in my La-Z-Boy, closed my eyes, and > listened to "The Fourth Night" from start to finish. >=20 > I was fighting back tears by the end of the first track. I found this = CD > to be so beautiful that I'm not sure what to say about it, other than > this: If > you don't have it, get it. >=20 > For someone who can usually "go on and on" about things, I find myself = not > having the words right now. It's late. Maybe tomorrow. >=20 > Thanks Bernhard, for this beautiful thing. >=20 > Joe Rut >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos = Yellow > Pages >=20 > = http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.= a > sp?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 15:40:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05D093BED0; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000001c60a33$be02c420$d0870b3e@c3v8b8> From: "Graziano Accinni" To: Subject: grazianoaccinni@tiscalinet.it Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:42:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0231_01C60A3B.5739ECC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:40:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0231_01C60A3B.5739ECC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable subscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0231_01C60A3B.5739ECC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C60A0B.0FB0C980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 16:02:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C818F3BED3; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fJ5tpPghMZIzcFTeqdaM6AXGYroqk/luawTZ/x3eCmq7nPyXVJHFHiE/3wx96MHx0aW201zJLmqhut+M2PUhVNCk1Tf62LyP7GtdSxhNeLmiKXOf/1A6EbXQIcYfV8LYfMoQDY57Vavy7gVkd01xJL6L12bexBQkl8Y8o3TQd08= ; Message-ID: <20051226160229.53961.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 08:02:29 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: sustainer guitar with hex pickup systems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051226010842.88021.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, is anybody using a fernandes sustainer model guitar with either an RMC or graphtech hex pickup system on this list? i would like to try this configuration on my fernandes sustainer guitat but would first like to hear experiences comments and most important who can do this sort of installations with plenty of experience if possble in california. thanx Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 16:15:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E5A73BEDE; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B019D0.5060609@tiscali.it> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:26:56 +0100 From: FZ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer guitar with hex pickup systems References: <20051226160229.53961.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051226160229.53961.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:15:41 +0000 (UTC) The one, the only - Axel Rudich at AR Guitar, a master in this exactly this kind of work and incredibly helpful via e-mail too. Contact him at info@arguitar.com Luis Angulo wrote: >Hi gang, >is anybody using a fernandes sustainer model guitar >with either an RMC or graphtech hex pickup system on >this list? i would like to try this configuration on >my fernandes sustainer guitat but would first like to >hear experiences comments and most important who can >do this sort of installations with plenty of >experience if possble in california. >thanx >Luis > >www.luis-angulo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 17:10:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54D503BECF; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:09:46 -0800 Subject: A little holiday looping mp3 from my green sleeves.... From: todd reynolds To: LD Message-ID: Thread-Topic: A little holiday looping mp3 from my green sleeves.... Thread-Index: AcYKPyvCajLdQ3YyEdq8fAAKldLXPg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3218432997_3210805" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:10:04 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3218432997_3210805 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable To all my colleagues and friends on the list: Happy Holidays and an offering... =20 An vio-linny live performance of greensleeves I cooked up for the holidays... Whatever anyone celebrates , I hope it evokes some of the wonderful spirit of the holidays... Thanks to everyone here for comraderie and good times, not to mention spirited conversation every day of the year when I visit my LD box in Entourage. http://toddreynolds.com/emusic/whatchild1.mp3 All best to all, and wishes for a creative and fulfilling new year... Todd Reynolds aka... Uh... Todd Reynolds, I guess. ::: [ableton live hosting sooperlooper :: tc reverb, live=B9s filter delay] ::: --B_3218432997_3210805 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable A little holiday looping mp3 from my green sleeves.... To all my colleagues a= nd friends on the list:  Happy Holidays and an offering...  


    An vio-linny live performance of greensleeves I cooked up for the holidays.= ..

    Whatever anyone celebrates , I hope it evokes some of the wonderful spirit = of the holidays...

    Thanks to everyone here for comraderie and good times, not to mention spiri= ted conversation every day of the year when I visit my LD box in Entourage.<= BR>
    http://toddreynolds= .com/emusic/whatchild1.mp3

    All best to all, and wishes for a creative and fulfilling new year...

    Todd Reynolds aka... Uh...  Todd Reynolds, I guess.

     ::: [ableton live hosting sooperlooper :: tc reverb, live’s fil= ter delay] :::





     --B_3218432997_3210805-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 17:10:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7A033BEE4; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5zC7F1BI5EfRclf3W8DPkIi3gCN0anwBwPCnzaPKn0cn19v8+VvasQJemtqJknYHvv9BuRhvryQU/Bzm9xVP+T/4+pSRLQki/g3ld9yyXDo3E3C9cqNky4vGfgEcO965xXWb8f5N0tCTlQmFn8wYKENR+ydOafQ7IdKeUEvjS9M= ; Message-ID: <20051226171010.32847.qmail@web32514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:10:10 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051226003228.12653.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-875709219-1135617010=:32236" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7I7xHD.A.f8F.zPCsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:10:11 +0000 (UTC) --0-875709219-1135617010=:32236 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit its weird,if im playing keys it seems i aproach music compleatly different than i would on a guitar.the horizonal layout of a keyboard is more math to me,where the frettboard layout seems to make me think in shapes and colors. when i play with a guitar synth...the mad scientist emerges ears to ya, danny. mark sottilaro wrote: As someone who's been a guitar synth fan for a long time, I have to say that after a few weeks with a nice keyboard MIDI controller... I sold my Guitar MIDI setup. No use for it really. I found I could play better synth stuff on the keyboard than I ever could with the guitar. I always wished the V stuff was a bit cheaper though as I thought it might be better. If Parker releases a commercial version of their Fly/Line6 moder I would be tempted... Mark --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > i have been hearing speculations in other forums > that > > these devices are not in the new roland catalogs > and > > will therefore soon dissapear due to new upcoming > > guitar modeling technology like the line 6 variax > > etc.i couldn´t imagine this happening after all > roland > > has gone through to keep this type of technology > in > > the market,i am also curious how many of us in > this > > list use them... > > I have a Roland GR-30 and a Roland V-Bass (being the > much less common bass > version of the VG-88 series). I don't use them > often, but did set them up > last week for the first time in a while (Eagle > 6-string fretless with GK > pickup into the V-Bass, Chapman stick with GK pickup > into the GR-30). > Nice. Should play more with them. > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-875709219-1135617010=:32236 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    its weird,if im playing keys it seems i aproach music compleatly different than i would on a guitar.the horizonal layout of a keyboard is more math to me,where the frettboard layout seems to make me think in shapes and colors.
    when i play with a guitar synth...the mad scientist emerges
     
    ears to ya,
                    danny.

    mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
    As someone who's been a guitar synth fan for a long
    time, I have to say that after a few weeks with a nice
    keyboard MIDI controller... I sold my Guitar MIDI
    setup. No use for it really. I found I could play
    better synth stuff on the keyboard than I ever could
    with the guitar. I always wished the V stuff was a
    bit cheaper though as I thought it might be better.
    If Parker releases a commercial version of their
    Fly/Line6 moder I would be tempted...

    Mark

    --- burnett@pobox.com wrote:

    > On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Luis Angulo wrote:
    >
    > > i have been hearing speculations in other forums
    > that
    > > these devices are not in the new roland catalogs
    > and
    > > will therefore soon dissapear due to new upcoming
    > > guitar modeling technology like the line 6 variax
    > > etc.i couldn´t imagine this happening after all
    > roland
    > > has gone through to keep this type of technology
    > in
    > > the market,i am also curious how many of us in
    > this
    > > list use them...
    >
    > I have a Roland GR-30 and a Roland V-Bass (being the
    > much less common bass
    > version of the VG-88 series). I don't use them
    > often, but did set them up
    > last week for the first time in a while (Eagle
    > 6-string fretless with GK
    > pickup into the V-Bass, Chapman stick with GK pickup
    > into the GR-30).
    > Nice. Should play more with them.
    >
    > http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html





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Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-875709219-1135617010=:32236-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 18:03:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 957553BEE4; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:03:15 +0100 Message-ID: <038c01c60a46$a8ca3350$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000d01c607e2$34782450$0402a8c0@Lightning> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Interesting subject! Coincidentally, I just received the book "The Art of Digital Music" from = my local library (I had lured them into buying it, as I do with many books, hehe). I've only started reading it and while the interview section of the book (the first half) isn't too deep, there are some interesting quotes, my favourite so far: "Some of the best music comes from pushing instruments = and equipment to their limits - and in the process discovering something = about ourselves." And in the second half in the Section "Support Our Loops" (page 123), there's even a photo of the EDP, caption reading: "The Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus is one of the premier live looping tools. Realtime = controls let you layer and reverse loops, sync to MIDI tempo, and even replace sections of individual loops as they play." More details about the book: http://www.artofdigitalmusic.com/ Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] > Sent: Freitag, 23. Dezember 2005 17:59 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: What's wrong with loops >=20 > check this out: >=20 > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8685 >=20 >=20 > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 18:54:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2771E3BED2; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2C5F98C6-CD9A-40B8-BAB5-DA54ACA5DBCD@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: yet more cello looping gig spam Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:54:53 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 1c12ead5-7641-11da-a87f-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.45/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers, Happy Boxing Day! My RPTR and I are very excited to announce the following performance =20 dates. I'll be supporting the talented (and beautiful!) Imogen Heap =20 and accompanying her during her set: Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's Feb 7th, London, UK: The Scala Here's more about Imogen in case you're not familiar with her work: Heap Of Shows Updated 00:21 PST Mon, Dec 26 2005 http://www.pollstar.com/news/viewnews.pl?NewsID=3D6546 With her long-awaited sophomore album, Speak For Yourself, finally =20 hitting stores, Imogen Heap will cross the pond to pay her American =20 fans a visit. After a "Late Night With David Letterman" appearance January 10, =20 she'll play New York City's Avalon and make her way across the =20 country throughout the month. Nearly a dozen cities are on the itinerary, with Rasputina cellist =20 Zo=EB Keating opening on all dates. The tour wraps at Neumo's in =20 Seattle January 29. Imogen Heap - who also comprises half of Frou Frou with Madonna =20 producer Guy Sigsworth - visited the U.S. this past fall on the Hotel =20= Cafe Tour with Butch Walker and the Cary Brothers. Other than that, =20 she hadn't been on American shores since a 1999 run with Rufus =20 Wainwright. Her debut album, I Megaphone, was released in 1998.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 21:09:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 629BC3BED2; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bIpBr12JMOYyrjOSFCZ9UNNgDTDk3W3WtJEHnPPCxXsImOWqEmmSAS9wkxxMLACG; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:08:21 -0800 Subject: Re: yet more cello looping gig spam From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2C5F98C6-CD9A-40B8-BAB5-DA54ACA5DBCD@zoekeating.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48ccc718153e8de237d17a0a478cf9f761667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.0.72 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:09:38 +0000 (UTC) looks like a good year is starting off for you zoe- why arent you doing the letterman thang? that would be great to see-loop promotion, etc. anyway, good luck on the road seeya staninsanfran on 12/26/05 10:54 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: > Hi Loopers, >=20 > Happy Boxing Day! >=20 > My RPTR and I are very excited to announce the following performance > dates. I'll be supporting the talented (and beautiful!) Imogen Heap > and accompanying her during her set: >=20 > Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) > Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo > Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club > Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts > Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre > Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern > Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag > Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues > Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre > Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall > Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's > Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's > Feb 7th, London, UK: The Scala >=20 > Here's more about Imogen in case you're not familiar with her work: >=20 > Heap Of Shows > Updated 00:21 PST Mon, Dec 26 2005 > http://www.pollstar.com/news/viewnews.pl?NewsID=3D6546 > With her long-awaited sophomore album, Speak For Yourself, finally > hitting stores, Imogen Heap will cross the pond to pay her American > fans a visit. > After a "Late Night With David Letterman" appearance January 10, > she'll play New York City's Avalon and make her way across the > country throughout the month. > Nearly a dozen cities are on the itinerary, with Rasputina cellist > Zo=EB Keating opening on all dates. The tour wraps at Neumo's in > Seattle January 29. > Imogen Heap - who also comprises half of Frou Frou with Madonna > producer Guy Sigsworth - visited the U.S. this past fall on the Hotel > Cafe Tour with Butch Walker and the Cary Brothers. Other than that, > she hadn't been on American shores since a 1999 run with Rufus > Wainwright. > Her debut album, I Megaphone, was released in 1998. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 26 21:12:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E2373BEDA; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:12:42 EST Subject: Re: A little holiday looping mp3 from my green sleeves.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ce.76bb3935.30e1b6ca_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:12:46 +0000 (UTC) --part1_ce.76bb3935.30e1b6ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SWEET!.....thanks TODD.....mic --part1_ce.76bb3935.30e1b6ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SWEET!.....thanks TODD.....mic --part1_ce.76bb3935.30e1b6ca_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 00:02:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8B183BED9; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:04:13 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar In-reply-to: <2C5F98C6-CD9A-40B8-BAB5-DA54ACA5DBCD@zoekeating.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005e01c60a79$1236a710$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I've just transcribed the "melody" (in Tab) from a short improvisation that I particularly liked. It's a simple piece with a single loop that pretty much any guitar player could play. It seems to me like loopers don't usually play each others' music, but, what the hey, I figured I'd post the score anyway in case anyone is interested. At any rate, there's also a streaming RealAudio version of the tune, and it's worth listening to (IMO, of course). Give a listen at http://www.warrensirota.com/Solostuff/default.htm if you like. Best wishes and Happy New Year, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 01:29:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 807EA3BED5; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TiZYZxQPIu3VQ2TcXEyybbGR5XtG3yop603TorPzRAFUtdLYO2r+bkx4w/0VeoQG; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051222713520140@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:35:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940fb29124727de7f2c53b6ff4f56a00f6e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.164 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Nicely said, Rick. And happy Monza to you, too. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: loop.pool > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Date: 12/24/2005 7:32:46 AM > Subject: Re: What's wrong with loops > > I posted this reply to the Oreilly Digital Audio Site article called > 'What's wrong with loops?' > > > SUBJECT: A looper replies: > > I hear the frustration about looping programs like Garage Band, Acid and > Ableton's Live. > > The inherent block nature of laying down loops and repeating them can > frequently cause a lot of stasis: especially harmonically: > > That being said: > > When you first learn how to play a guitar or a piano it take a long time to > learn how to play more complex harmonic pieces or progressions. > > Similarly, when one learns how to use loops either in a software program or > in a live looping situation, it takes time to get sophisticated doing such > a thing. > > Let us please consider that the first mass marketed live looping box, the > Lexicon Jamman > didn't hit the scene until 1995. My brother and I bought one of those > immediately and began trying to learn how to use it at once. > > The first mass marketed looping program ACID didn't appear until the very > late 90's (I'm not even sure exactly when 1.0 appeared). I began trying to > make interesting music with that paradigm in the year 2000. > > Imagine not only that you started using a guitar or keyboard ten years ago > but that they only invented the instrument 5-10 years ago. > > Sophistication takes time so to judge the looping world right now 5-10 years > into it's > initiation is really a little ahead of the game. > > To critique it.............by all means.........there's a lot to critique. > > But if you could have seen and heard the sophistication and astonishing > musical diversity that 40 live looping artists from 9 countries displayed in > Zurich this summer or that 50 artists from 7 countries displayed in Santa > Cruz and San Francisco in October I think you'd have a different take on the > subject. > > This thread was brought to the attention of the huge live looping mecca > website, Loopers Delight (almost a million webhits a year) and most people > agreed that the world knows and hears about the 'block' orientation of the > Garage Band/Acid/Ableton's Live paradigm but that very few people know just > how sophisticated the International Live Looping movement has gotten. > > Even as far as the Garage-Aced-Live world goes, please go listen to what Kid > Beyond is doing with Ableton's Live before you right the whole paradigm off. > > ********** > Additionally, I have been reading the excellent book on the making of the > seminal modal jazz record, 'Kind Of Blue' by Miles Davis. > > Miles felt in the long run that the spelling out of complex chordal harmony > and the whole bop multi chord progression approach was incredibly limiting > in the long run. > > 'Kind of Blue' opened up the soloists to playing more harmonically free, > precisely because the scale was limited.........it left more space. > > When Teo Macero used some of the very first tape loops of the drummers on > 'In a Silent Way' (which birthed the fusion movement) he also similarly > openened the way for the percussionists and the melodic and chordal soloists > to do much, much more with rhythmic placement. > > There is a lot of sophistication in music that comes from chordal and > harmonic complexity > but the use of loops has also led the way for a tremendous upsurge in the > publics exposure and appreciation of complexity in rhythm and timbre in the > past 20 years since samplers became really prevalent. > > I've found in my own life of performing and composing in styles as diverse > as rock and roll, world music, abstract electronica, found and invented > sound, funk, soul, jazz, etc. that no matter how sohpisticated a listening > audience that it is pretty difficult to throw more than a couple of layers > of complexity at them and expect the audience to 'get it'. > > In other words, I you have bop rapid fire chordal changes or complex > stacked, suspended chords over modal approaches that it's really difficult > to play with just as much attendant > rhythmic complexity (polyrhythms, complex odd time signatures, stacked and > dense interlocking rhythmic parts) or with as much attendant timbral > complexity. > > Try playing Donna Lee with the timbral complexity of Nine Inch Nails or some > of the Industrial bands and it just doesn't work. > > Play music with the rhythmic freedom and intensity of high powered Indian > musicians and then lay dense chordal structures or complex and rapid chord > progressions and most people will fail similarly. > > If harmony is your thing...........it's beautiful. But there are artists > as complex and sophisticated as Mark Isham (who's music I adore, by the way) > who use loops..........they just are using other approaches (timbre and > rhythm, primarily) to create their complexity. > > It's all good. It's all the human spirit trying to express itself. > > Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Wonderful Solstice and a Bitchen Kwaanza to > everyone, > > Rick Walker aka |()()p.p()()| > producer/promoter: > Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival > Every October in Santa Cruz, California From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 01:45:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5022C3BECC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: sustainer guitar with hex pickup systems Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:45:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20051226160229.53961.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <06_VhD.A.hKH.iyJsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Bill Asher of asher guitars (he makes the custom lap steels like my Ben harper model) is down inSo Cal and has done many RMC installs like the one I have on my flamenco guitar. he tends to be booked steadely with rock star clients so I would call him well in advance of your arrival to book time. Check him out at www.asherguitars.com. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 8:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: sustainer guitar with hex pickup systems Hi gang, is anybody using a fernandes sustainer model guitar with either an RMC or graphtech hex pickup system on this list? i would like to try this configuration on my fernandes sustainer guitat but would first like to hear experiences comments and most important who can do this sort of installations with plenty of experience if possble in california. thanx Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 01:45:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B7983BED3; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051226174058.04f6f988@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:47:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: against noise Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, or the downfall of civilization, or something like that: http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/ My suggestion: Do whatever you can to get on her list. Great PR! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 01:53:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C971B3BED5; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SJJziJWrJviLHHf6U+iIylsLj1pAVjnILnlQrN1giC5jG2MA7pUYmcUFF5MqqQFa; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051222715928520@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:59:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940823800b0f9c1db6ad34636f41e415465350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.164 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:53:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I REMEMBER YOU! YOU WERE GREAT! Harvard Square, yes? Or was there another echo-using busker-bassist working the Square at that time? ~Tim Mungenast ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/24/2005 11:37:58 PM Subject: re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory I remember playing bass on the street in Cambridge, MA, in around 1980-something, with a Moose battery operated bass amp and a DOD analog delay. Playing at night in the doorway of a bank where the sound would echo around, and playing against the echoes of the delay and the echoes coming off all the marble and concrete, and thinking to myself how cool it would be if there was something that could really capture and repeat . . . Now we live in the future. Merry christmas, y’all. dan -- ghost7 http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII re: gratuitous nostalgia     was:  re: Looping in prehistory
    I REMEMBER YOU!
    YOU WERE GREAT!
    Harvard Square, yes? Or was there another echo-using busker-bassist working the Square at that time? 
    ~Tim Mungenast
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: 12/24/2005 11:37:58 PM
    Subject: re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory

    I remember playing bass on the street in Cambridge, MA, in around 1980-something, with a Moose battery operated bass amp and a DOD analog delay. Playing at night in the doorway of a bank where the sound would echo around, and playing against the echoes of the delay and the echoes coming off all the marble and concrete, and thinking to myself how cool it would be if there was something that could really capture and repeat . . .


    Now we live in the future.


    Merry christmas, y’all.

    dan


    --  
    ghost7
    http://www.envelopeproductions.com
    http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7

    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 02:07:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D50BB3BED6; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025401c60a8a$37ce9d50$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051226174058.04f6f988@annihilist.com> Subject: Re: against noise Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:06:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0251_01C60A4F.8A923690" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 421, in=185523, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:07:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0251_01C60A4F.8A923690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fanatical, fascists. Someone needs to build a counter-page called = "People with Brains Against Idiots Who Can't Take Responsibility For = Their Own Actions (would that be IWCTRFTOA?) :) This passage is particularly revealing: "Women, I ask you to PLEASE look in your son or daughters rooms and = really take alook at the music and movies they are exposing themselves = to. My husband and I are debating storngly about sending our son to seek = some professional help. Right now I am very upset and do not know what = to do. I do not want my son to become a pervert. I do not know how he = got interested in this stuff at all. And I thought Marylin Manson was = the sickest thing around. I am just sick to my stomache that things like = this exist." I think she is the one who should seek professional help. Apparently, = she can't spell either. What the paragraph should say is: "Women, please = sit down with your husbands and assess how well you have raised your = children to be decent human beings, with a healthy sense of values and = respect for other human beings...if you've done your job and have spent = any amount of quality time with your children rather than letting the = media raise them, then you won't have to worry about what type of music = they listen to...they will make the right decisions and take decent = paths of action." K- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: against noise > Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, or the downfall = of=20 > civilization, or something like that: >=20 > http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/ >=20 > My suggestion: Do whatever you can to get on her list. Great PR! >=20 > kim >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0251_01C60A4F.8A923690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Fanatical, fascists. Someone needs to = build a=20 counter-page called "People with Brains Against Idiots Who Can't Take=20 Responsibility For Their Own Actions (would that be IWCTRFTOA?) =20 :)
     
    This passage is particularly=20 revealing:

    "Women, I ask you to PLEASE look in your = son or=20 daughters rooms and really take alook at the music and movies they are = exposing=20 themselves to. My husband and I are debating storngly about sending our = son to=20 seek some professional help. Right now I am very upset and do not know = what to=20 do. I do not want my son to become a pervert. I do not know how he got=20 interested in this stuff at all. And I thought Marylin Manson was the = sickest=20 thing around. I am just sick to my stomache that things like this=20 exist."

    I think she is the one who should seek = professional=20 help. Apparently, she can't spell either. What the paragraph should = say is:=20 "Women, please sit down with your husbands and assess how well you have = raised=20 your children to be decent human beings, with a healthy sense of values = and=20 respect for other human beings...if you've done your job and have spent = any=20 amount of quality time with your children rather than letting the media = raise=20 them, then you won't have to worry about what type of music they = listen=20 to...they will make the right decisions and take decent paths of=20 action."
     
    K-
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Kim Flint" <kflint@loopers-delight.com>
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 6:47=20 PM
    Subject: against = noise

    > Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, or = the=20 downfall of
    > civilization, or something like that:
    > =
    >=20     http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/
    >
    > My suggestion: Do whatever you can to get on her = list.=20 Great PR!
    >
    > kim
    >
    >
    >=20 ______________________________________________________________________>=20 Kim=20 Flint           &n= bsp;        =20 | Looper's Delight
    >     kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com=20
    >
    >     ------=_NextPart_000_0251_01C60A4F.8A923690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 02:21:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C4293BEDA; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:25:01 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: against noise In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051226174058.04f6f988@annihilist.com> Message-ID: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051226174058.04f6f988@annihilist.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:21:08 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 26 Dec 2005, Kim Flint wrote: > Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, or the downfall of > civilization, or something like that: > > http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/ They left Sunn))) off their list. Slack. > My suggestion: Do whatever you can to get on her list. Great PR! There's enough groups on their list that I like and respect that if I end up in the same category as they, I'd be flattered. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 02:23:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E9883BED9; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: yet more cello looping gig spam Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:23:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <2C5F98C6-CD9A-40B8-BAB5-DA54ACA5DBCD@zoekeating.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Zoe, that is friggin sweet! congratulations Bill -----Original Message----- From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 10:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: yet more cello looping gig spam Hi Loopers, Happy Boxing Day! My RPTR and I are very excited to announce the following performance dates. I'll be supporting the talented (and beautiful!) Imogen Heap and accompanying her during her set: Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's Feb 7th, London, UK: The Scala Here's more about Imogen in case you're not familiar with her work: Heap Of Shows Updated 00:21 PST Mon, Dec 26 2005 http://www.pollstar.com/news/viewnews.pl?NewsID=6546 With her long-awaited sophomore album, Speak For Yourself, finally hitting stores, Imogen Heap will cross the pond to pay her American fans a visit. After a "Late Night With David Letterman" appearance January 10, she'll play New York City's Avalon and make her way across the country throughout the month. Nearly a dozen cities are on the itinerary, with Rasputina cellist Zoë Keating opening on all dates. The tour wraps at Neumo's in Seattle January 29. Imogen Heap - who also comprises half of Frou Frou with Madonna producer Guy Sigsworth - visited the U.S. this past fall on the Hotel Cafe Tour with Butch Walker and the Cary Brothers. Other than that, she hadn't been on American shores since a 1999 run with Rufus Wainwright. Her debut album, I Megaphone, was released in 1998. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 02:33:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC32B3BEDD; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:37:36 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: against noise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051226174058.04f6f988@annihilist.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:33:38 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 26 Dec 2005, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Mon, 26 Dec 2005, Kim Flint wrote: > >> Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, or the downfall of >> civilization, or something like that: >> >> http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/ > > They left Sunn))) off their list. Slack. My bad: they do include Stephen O'Malley. >> My suggestion: Do whatever you can to get on her list. Great PR! Honestly, I believe that this must be a parody site akin to Landover Baptist. Nicely done parody, though. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 02:59:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 669AF3BED5; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tPITeMkEaeY8XSBjFUW7mvW2t9CmG/ENM09jWch2R6anxYC5t19Jy2GwWNS6TiDx; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:58:35 -0800 Subject: Re: against noise From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <025401c60a8a$37ce9d50$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3218468315_23297_MIME_Part" X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48a64a3b67856ea9f076e8fab845ecddc372fee374a2a11089350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.204.21 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:59:51 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3218468315_23297_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit that website has been exposed previously on other sites as being bogus; or sarcasm or thought provoking er somethin... s (wish I was on that list tho') on 12/26/05 6:06 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: Fanatical, fascists. Someone needs to build a counter-page called "People with Brains Against Idiots Who Can't Take Responsibility For Their Own Actions (would that be IWCTRFTOA?) :) This passage is particularly revealing: "Women, I ask you to PLEASE look in your son or daughters rooms and really take alook at the music and movies they are exposing themselves to. My husband and I are debating storngly about sending our son to seek some professional help. Right now I am very upset and do not know what to do. I do not want my son to become a pervert. I do not know how he got interested in this stuff at all. And I thought Marylin Manson was the sickest thing around. I am just sick to my stomache that things like this exist." I think she is the one who should seek professional help. Apparently, she can't spell either. What the paragraph should say is: "Women, please sit down with your husbands and assess how well you have raised your children to be decent human beings, with a healthy sense of values and respect for other human beings...if you've done your job and have spent any amount of quality time with your children rather than letting the media raise them, then you won't have to worry about what type of music they listen to...they will make the right decisions and take decent paths of action." K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: against noise > Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, or the downfall of > civilization, or something like that: > > http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/ > > My suggestion: Do whatever you can to get on her list. Great PR! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > --MS_Mac_OE_3218468315_23297_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: against noise that website has been exposed previously on other sites as being bogus; or = sarcasm or thought provoking er somethin...
    s
    (wish I was on that list tho')


    on 12/26/05 6:06 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote:

    Fanatical, fascists. Someone = needs to build a counter-page called "People with Brains Against Idiots= Who Can't Take Responsibility For Their Own Actions (would that be IWCTRFTO= A?)  :)
    This passage is particularly revealing: "Women, I ask you to PLEASE look in your son or daughters rooms and re= ally take alook at the music and movies they are exposing themselves to. My = husband and I are debating storngly about sending our son to seek some profe= ssional help. Right now I am very upset and do not know what to do. I do not= want my son to become a pervert. I do not know how he got interested in thi= s stuff at all. And I thought Marylin Manson was the sickest thing around. I= am just sick to my stomache that things like this exist."
    I think she is the one who should seek professional help. Apparently, she c= an't spell either. What the paragraph should say is: "Women, please sit= down with your husbands and assess how well you have raised your children t= o be decent human beings, with a healthy sense of values and respect for oth= er human beings...if you've done your job and have spent any amount of quali= ty time with your children rather than letting the media raise them, then yo= u won't have to worry about what type of music they listen to...they will ma= ke the right decisions and take decent paths of action."
    K-

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Kim Flint" <kflint@loopers-delight.com>
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 6:47 PM
    Subject: against noise

    > Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, = or the downfall of
    > civilization, or something like that:
    >
    > http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/
    >
    > My suggestion: Do whatever you can to get on her list. Great PR!
    >
    > kim
    >
    >
    > ______________________________________________________________________=
    > Kim Flint           =           | Looper's Delig= ht
    > kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-deli= ght.com
    >
    >

    --MS_Mac_OE_3218468315_23297_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 03:11:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A8313BEC7; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <68E9D53F-EA67-4045-A640-1E418ED47C55@earthlink.net> References: <68E9D53F-EA67-4045-A640-1E418ED47C55@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:11:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:11:28 +0000 (UTC) At 9:38 AM -0800 12/25/05, David Coffin wrote: > >Yup; the 88 is NOT an added-features version of the 8; that was the >8ex; Roland did update the 8, and have also updated the 88, but they >remain very different implementations of the basic idea, with NO way >to exactly duplicate any of the synth (or other) sounds from one to >the other, altho in some cases you might come close, esp. with the >basic guitar sounds. There are a few nominally similar models in >each, but by the time you've added FX (VERY different FX on each >piece) or the pitch-shifting, they're chalk and cheese. Thanks for clarifying that, David. I'm now thinking that the original 8 (or, more correctly, an S-1 or EX) is really more in line with what I'm looking for. >>Can you do the pedal crossfades you mentioned using a MIDI >>Controller, or do you have to use an external expression pedal (I'm >>assuming probably an EV-5)? > >Good question; I always use an EV, and haven't explored the MIDI >options. But they aren't too deep as I recall. Just went through the MIDI Implementation Chart (p. 144) in the manual. Yipes! I didn't realize it would be quite so limited. Aside from SysEx, it only really deals with Bank Select and Program Change messages. Well, I'm ending up with more & more stuff creeping onto the floor. I guess one more expression pedal ain't really gonna hurt nothin'.... :P >>Finally, can the original VG-8 do the polyphonic "slow gear" effect? > >Nope; that's an 88 trick. Drat! That's the one algorithm I was really hopeful for. Oh well, I've got one of the WP-20g's with which I can do that effect. I was just hoping I might be able to consolidate two devices into one. >The "hum" problem is a nasty situation that can arise when linking >an 8 and an 88 with Roland's US-20 ABY switcher; this may have been >fixed in currently shipping versions, but I can't confirm. Sounds like I may need to post that particular question to the Yahoo Group. I'm also curious if that bug is peculiar to just using the 8 & 88 used together, or if I might run into it using the VG-8 with the WP-20g. Probably ought to instead consider the GKP-4 parallel box, anyway. >There's no question that the 88 has some very cool synth and FX >features, but if that's what you're going for, instead of a variax >in a box, get an 8ex. You won't regret it:) Even if there's an 888 >at the next NAMM... Thanks again for all the helpful advice!!! :) --m. -- _______ "No more building up; it is time to dissolve..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 03:20:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23E593BED5; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:20:53 -0600 To: From: mech Subject: RE: VG-88 and Roland GR-33 dissapearing rumors Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:20:58 +0000 (UTC) At 2:06 PM -0800 12/24/05, William Walker wrote: > >> From your discussions with the Roland rep, did you get an impression >>of how much the "something really cool" is going to incorporate >>Roland's Harmonic Restructuring technology... Conversely, is >>there a possibility where that path may be scrapped entirely > > not much more than the hints I got, though he did mention that designs >were in the works for their VG stuff as well. Kewl! Thanks for digging that out of the few "hints" the Roland rep let slip. David Coffin's advice has helped me sort out the dilemma I'd mentioned in my earlier email. Since a used VG-8 is going for about five bills less than the cost of a new VG-88, it looks like I can jump for the older technology, and be perfectly content while I wait for the "next big thing" your contact alluded too. Thanks again for doing all this recon, BTW! --m. -- _______ "The revolution may be someone somewhere else..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 03:30:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C11803BEC7; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:30:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: against noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:30:48 +0000 (UTC) At 6:58 PM -0800 12/26/05, stanitarium wrote: > > > http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/ > >that website has been exposed previously on other sites as being >bogus; or sarcasm or thought provoking er somethin... Even more entertainment is available by going through the archives of their Yahoo Group: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/mothersagainstnoise/ --m. -- _______ "The revolution may be someone somewhere else..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 04:02:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 652C53BECF; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 04:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KfaV0kp+8hMfod1HtM5zrHIPXgWWd/1PLWmM1Y6oUwlVAmQv/NVdVDOLd3ZhDKZNKMI0+qYqpfKR4bvY0zaU/RDGuQAGC1jqNrk4mKH0Yz21ARIOaAENQ2/vmD9Nqy+OYDhUvzg3nf21dyLtMlFIPhvDK6+UG1+Tf2nZpe+kcPA= Message-ID: <26ba8d120512262002m625e44a8o51054c9865054565@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:02:24 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: against noise In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 04:02:26 +0000 (UTC) It's a fraud -- search for "mothers protect" on Google images and you'll see a lot of these images. morons (not you!) -- why waste our time? /t On 12/26/05, mech wrote: > At 6:58 PM -0800 12/26/05, stanitarium wrote: > > > > > http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/ > > > >that website has been exposed previously on other sites as being > >bogus; or sarcasm or thought provoking er somethin... > > Even more entertainment is available by going through the archives of > their Yahoo Group: > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/mothersagainstnoise/ > > --m. > > -- > _______ > "The revolution may be someone somewhere else..." > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 04:20:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22CCA3BED0; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 04:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B0C1CC.4000805@Hevanet.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:23:40 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar References: <005e01c60a79$1236a710$0402a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: <005e01c60a79$1236a710$0402a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 04:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Catchy notes, Warren! How would you describe the tonality? Seems to straddle A Major and Ab Major, so opens up about every note for exploration! A little richer than a pentatonic scale... Straddlin' '05 & '06, David Warren Sirota wrote: >Hi, > >I've just transcribed the "melody" (in Tab) from a short improvisation that >I particularly liked. It's a simple piece with a single loop that pretty >much any guitar player could play. It seems to me like loopers don't usually >play each others' music, but, what the hey, I figured I'd post the score >anyway in case anyone is interested. At any rate, there's also a streaming >RealAudio version of the tune, and it's worth listening to (IMO, of course). > >Give a listen at http://www.warrensirota.com/Solostuff/default.htm if you >like. > >Best wishes and Happy New Year, >Warren Sirota > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 05:06:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EEAF3BECC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DUHXhQgRc+6AThIHnPuqJyJ/Ofc9DUofoxHCkmWhfaS9QfLtHEZGxNwkS4LwnGj8iqBjpKvHUuJGtv1vEgyPpjluHB1b1Bt2ndq6lBW0OCSHUMT2j1NIQz/h/66zNPT0mTSIx8NqZdT8Ql85xxDq35RwpemeiYQTaKrrbh9FJNM= Message-ID: <588ce11d0512262106v38ad15b1h92f6ad775f6894b2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:06:33 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar In-Reply-To: <43B0C1CC.4000805@Hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <005e01c60a79$1236a710$0402a8c0@Lightning> <43B0C1CC.4000805@Hevanet.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Nice! I'm not sure I qualify as "any guitar player", but I'll give it a shot. . . (Can "any guitar player" read a score?) On 12/26/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > Catchy notes, Warren! How would you describe the tonality? Seems to > straddle A Major and Ab Major, so opens up about every note for > exploration! A little richer than a pentatonic scale... > > Straddlin' '05 & '06, > > David > > Warren Sirota wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I've just transcribed the "melody" (in Tab) from a short improvisation t= hat > >I particularly liked. It's a simple piece with a single loop that pretty > >much any guitar player could play. It seems to me like loopers don't usu= ally > >play each others' music, but, what the hey, I figured I'd post the score > >anyway in case anyone is interested. At any rate, there's also a streami= ng > >RealAudio version of the tune, and it's worth listening to (IMO, of cour= se). > > > >Give a listen at http://www.warrensirota.com/Solostuff/default.htm if yo= u > >like. > > > >Best wishes and Happy New Year, > >Warren Sirota > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 05:50:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A880F3BEDC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:50:54 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar In-reply-to: <43B0C1CC.4000805@Hevanet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c60aa9$80a8ba50$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Glad you like it David. It does straddle a couple of tonalities, but I think they're mostly variants of Amaj7b5 and, I guess, E7. The only thing is, they're happening at the same time (I guess it's mostly bi-tonal). The notes are A, B, C, C#, D, Eb, E, G, G# (there's a quickie Bb in there once, but it's barely there). (this is over-analysis, but, since I'm thinking about it...) the C's in there are b9s of the A, and you can have whatever opinion you like about where the G's come from. Anything goes except (apparently) Bb, F and F#. I don't know where it came from - I just found that cool ostinato for the bass and then started exploiting that lovely tension between the high open E and the E and Eb on the 2nd string. When I'm playing in such a sparse environment, I don't see much reason to be stuck with the key of the ostinato... Everyone knows it's there, it's more fun to go in and out. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com] > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 11:24 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar > > > Catchy notes, Warren! How would you describe the tonality? Seems to > straddle A Major and Ab Major, so opens up about every note for > exploration! A little richer than a pentatonic scale... > > Straddlin' '05 & '06, > > David > > Warren Sirota wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I've just transcribed the "melody" (in Tab) from a short > improvisation > >that I particularly liked. It's a simple piece with a single > loop that > >pretty much any guitar player could play. It seems to me > like loopers > >don't usually play each others' music, but, what the hey, I > figured I'd > >post the score anyway in case anyone is interested. At any rate, > >there's also a streaming RealAudio version of the tune, and > it's worth > >listening to (IMO, of course). > > > >Give a listen at > http://www.warrensirota.com/Solostuff/default.htm if > >you like. > > > >Best wishes and Happy New Year, > >Warren Sirota > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 05:58:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04A223BED6; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:59:25 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar In-reply-to: <588ce11d0512262106v38ad15b1h92f6ad775f6894b2@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000501c60aaa$b133adf0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:58:04 +0000 (UTC) > > Nice! I'm not sure I qualify as "any guitar player", but I'll > give it a shot. . . > > (Can "any guitar player" read a score?) Thanks, Art! I'm honored that you're going to give it a shot. I hope you enjoy it - it's certainly fun to play for me. The score is in tab with stems, so calling it a "score" might be a little more intimidating than it merits. (note: there are two grace notes in there that Finale didn't put a little slash through - I think it'll be clear enough when you play along, but if you're interested, I'll also make a standard notation version of it). But I know there's nothing technically difficult in the piece. If any of my little quirky moves don't come naturally to you, substitute some of your own. Feel free to morph it for your own purposes. Happy playing, Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 06:13:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88AA23BEE2; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 06:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=igs9oO2um/KWdiaORwpUyFEWeij0nKflopsMZn1pi2j8eTlbgf1btbS9c7pfywIJKrlMJ6BSOJUOvr6JFiSiYvTGilMD1fAA7rpEPB87Y+lRc1ttQ9Oc8XDmF5tgQ1s3jyd1zSfx6CttNyQF3zUML7XLIwnS0fNmhEom1ZZUZ1c= Message-ID: <64b81a780512262213t4f4d4a92xb4b8398cce86aebc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:13:15 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar In-Reply-To: <000501c60aaa$b133adf0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0512262106v38ad15b1h92f6ad775f6894b2@mail.gmail.com> <000501c60aaa$b133adf0$0402a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 06:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Warren, Any chance of us seeing a PDF or PS of that score? I'd love to give it a whirl, but using Linux, Finale is a no go for me. Heck, I can't even hear the audo clip because I don't have (or want) Real Media. I don't want to sound like a free software zealot, but man proprietary formats suck. If you want to pump out a really great score that anyone can read, check out . Also, for lots of free scores (mostly classical, non-loop-related) check out . Anyway, I commend you for sharing and I wish we could all share more.=20 I guess I'm just bummed I can't play too. :} Todd On 12/27/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > > Nice! I'm not sure I qualify as "any guitar player", but I'll > > give it a shot. . . > > > > (Can "any guitar player" read a score?) > > Thanks, Art! > > I'm honored that you're going to give it a shot. I hope you enjoy it - it= 's > certainly fun to play for me. > > The score is in tab with stems, so calling it a "score" might be a little > more intimidating than it merits. (note: there are two grace notes in the= re > that Finale didn't put a little slash through - I think it'll be clear > enough when you play along, but if you're interested, I'll also make a > standard notation version of it). > > But I know there's nothing technically difficult in the piece. If any of = my > little quirky moves don't come naturally to you, substitute some of your > own. > > Feel free to morph it for your own purposes. > > Happy playing, > Warren > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 07:53:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B08B3BED5; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051226232213.0a9c5258@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:52:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: against noise In-Reply-To: References: <025401c60a8a$37ce9d50$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:53:48 +0000 (UTC) At 06:58 PM 12/26/2005, stanitarium wrote: >that website has been exposed previously on other sites as being bogus; or >sarcasm or thought provoking er somethin... darn. It made me feel such warm nostalgia for the culture wars of the 80's. The PMRC, cartoony Satanic metal, Tipper, Dee Snider before congress, backwards messages in Judas Priest songs, the moral majority, drawing pentagrams on our school books...those were the days.... is music ever dangerous anymore? was the fight won and now it's boring? did they just move on to video games? kim > > Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, or the downfall of > > civilization, or something like that: > > > > http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 09:31:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DC533BED0; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051224010252.0534ae80@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:33:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: do they know? In-Reply-To: <20051222201122.25704.qmail@web32514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051222201122.25704.qmail@web32514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:31:09 +0000 (UTC) At 12:11 PM 12/22/2005, daniel stevenson wrote: >needs to go loopy...and make an album of it. > >steve via ottmarr liebert >joe satriani jeff beck >adrian legg adam jones don't know about them. >al demiola I demoed the EDP to him at NAMM many years ago. (there's a whole funny story to go with that, ask me some time.) He was mildly interested but I never heard that he got into it. > mark mothersbro why? >kieth jarret no idea > david bowie Bowie, I can't imagine it. Many of his guitar players I can, and they have. Not sure about the other band members. >ed van halen stanley jordan Both of them own EDP's, unless they sold them. I don't know how they use them. >david gilmore trent renzor why? >mark knofler hmm. Notice there is no 'p' in it. Please keep it that way. >kirk hammet also an EDP owner, if he still has them. I think he is waiting for James to give him permission to use it. >marty friedman record a bazillion pointless notes. overdub a bazillion more. my head hurts. > ad rock >billy corigan no idea. >don vito you mean the guy from viva la bam? Absolutely, he needs to start looping. >cecil taylor interestingly, Oscar Peterson has used loopers. No idea about Cecil Taylor though. >les claypool Les uses looping in live shows all the time now. he uses some pedal for his loops, but I'm not sure what. His looping is mostly very simple (at least what I've seen/heard). >neil young don't see it. >danny elfman why? >maynard keenan? ferguson? Good stuff, Maynard. >bobby mcferrin I'm tempted to agree. But on the other hand he seems to cover a lot of ground without it. It's like wondering what Tuck Andress would do with a looper. He fills all available space already, why would he need/desire it? >mickey hart no idea. But Bob Weir has a pair of EDP's. I don't know what he does with them though. Rob Wasserman also. >jr brown > >if ya know about any of these folks looping,send a link. >your pal, gout boy"owww my pedals" Maybe some of the others you list are looping also but I don't know, I just happened to be more privy to people who owned EDP's over the years. However like Claude, I doubt that any of these folks are going to do anything revolutionary with looping. They may be amazing musicians, but they have their voice already, established long ago. Maybe some will turn their music in a loopy direction and do something remarkable, but most likely not. On the other hand, we have amazing (yet less famous) musicians today in the present revolutionizing the whole concept of looping with new techniques and ideas. Looping is a part of their voice and their music down to the core. Pay attention to them, they are defining the future right now. Nostalgia is fun, we all enjoy it sometimes. But I think if you lose yourself in the past you will miss the extraordinary stuff happening today in the present. From what I can tell, genius is happening all the time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 09:44:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27EAA3BEDD; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <16129904.1135676655965.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 04:44:15 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Kim Galibert Reply-To: Kim Galibert To: Kim Galibert , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: roland vg88 rave, live radio live-looping gig spam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:44:17 +0000 (UTC) the roland vg-88 is one of the finest tools for looping - i hope they don't discontinue the line. i've tried all the line6 variax products (bass, acoustic, electric) and (imho) they suck compared to the roland in terms of tracking, sound quality, and diversity of patches. and - my band 'hot bitch arsenal' is playing live on air - live looping with killer female vox, and my small contribution on vg-88 and ableton live. plus, we're gonna give out a number so that listeners can text us their secrets and stories and snippets to be weaved into the loopstream. crazy, man. 12noon est, wednesday 12/28, 89.5fm wpkn bridgeport, ct, 88.7fm montauk, ny. or listen online at www.wpkn.org. we've got lots of looped jams here: http://www.hotbitcharsenal.com the blog is here: http://www.projectgt.com/hba merry holidays to my fellow looping fiends, kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 11:04:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 611123BECF; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5138C354-AA4B-4500-95E7-6A80E2DF0744@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: RE: yet more cello looping gig spam Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:05:14 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <7xJr4C.A.-SE.Y_RsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Zoe, that's a great gig to get - Immi's fantastic, and a sweetheart. I'm going to try and juggle my CA schedule so I can get to see you in either LA or San Diego... cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 12:47:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9F3C3BECF; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: against noise Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:48:48 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c60ae3$e20cee30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051226232213.0a9c5258@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:47:24 +0000 (UTC) They did move on to video games, and in a very American style: like this old hag who gave her small grandchild (something like 10 years old) a computer game where he would kill people using chainsaws, flame throwers, detonator charges, miniguns, RPGs, shotguns, knifes, dildos, and in the meantime organize a few criminal enterprises, but then got very angry that you could unlock some scenes in the game where the actors would actually perform actions associated with such heinous things like love and reproduction...;-) Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com]=20 Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Dezember 2005 08:53 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: against noise At 06:58 PM 12/26/2005, stanitarium wrote: >that website has been exposed previously on other sites as being bogus; >or >sarcasm or thought provoking er somethin... darn. It made me feel such warm nostalgia for the culture wars of the 80's.=20 The PMRC, cartoony Satanic metal, Tipper, Dee Snider before congress,=20 backwards messages in Judas Priest songs, the moral majority, drawing=20 pentagrams on our school books...those were the days.... is music ever dangerous anymore? was the fight won and now it's boring? did they just move on to video games? kim > > Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, or the=20 > > downfall of civilization, or something like that: > > > > http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 14:54:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 576963BEDB; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <034a01c60af5$7da5f010$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <025401c60a8a$37ce9d50$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051226232213.0a9c5258@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: against noise Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:54:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 422, in=185615, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:54:56 +0000 (UTC) > is music ever dangerous anymore? > was the fight won and now it's boring? > did they just move on to video games? I think they realized that once we get to the teenage years, it's too late to brainwash us; hence they changed their strategy and target audience to toddlers, who are more receptive and pliable . Just this morning, as my 8 month old daughter was rattling her playtoy, and it started to play music, I heard the devil's interval!!! Amazingly clever. We're all doomed and exposed to devil music, even at this early age. The video games are now advanced training. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 15:04:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 918E23BEDE; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:05:14 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar In-reply-to: <64b81a780512262213t4f4d4a92xb4b8398cce86aebc@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c60af6$f13f7c20$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Todd, you make compelling points. I will happily make a PDF of the score today (in fact, that's what I should have done to start. I just wasn't thinking) and post it along with an MP3. I had thought that the RealAudio would be a universal format, but you've corrected me on that. Thanks for the pointers. Finale outputs MusicXML, so it should be transferable, but I can always print to a PDF driver to make the file. (I've never used MusicXML - I hope it includes all the info that would be in a tab file. Does anyone have a any experience with it? It seems like a good concept, on the face of it. But you'd need a pretty insanely complicated XSL file to format it into a PDF, wouldn't you?) I am a big fan of free sw, btw. Who isn't? When I started learning Finale there were no viable alternatives, free or otherwise, and it's just been easiest to stay on that horse once I finally tamed the beast (isn't that what Finale stands for? It's Latin or something for "Finally... I figured out how to get rid of the measure numbers!" :-) ). Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:13 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar > > > Warren, > > Any chance of us seeing a PDF or PS of that score? I'd love > to give it a whirl, but using Linux, Finale is a no go for > me. Heck, I can't even hear the audo clip because I don't > have (or want) Real Media. > > I don't want to sound like a free software zealot, but man > proprietary formats suck. If you want to pump out a really > great score that anyone can read, check out > . Also, for lots of free > scores (mostly classical, non-loop-related) check out > . > > Anyway, I commend you for sharing and I wish we could all share more. > I guess I'm just bummed I can't play too. :} > > Todd > > > On 12/27/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > > > > Nice! I'm not sure I qualify as "any guitar player", but > I'll give > > > it a shot. . . > > > > > > (Can "any guitar player" read a score?) > > > > Thanks, Art! > > > > I'm honored that you're going to give it a shot. I hope you > enjoy it - > > it's certainly fun to play for me. > > > > The score is in tab with stems, so calling it a "score" might be a > > little more intimidating than it merits. (note: there are two grace > > notes in there that Finale didn't put a little slash > through - I think > > it'll be clear enough when you play along, but if you're > interested, > > I'll also make a standard notation version of it). > > > > But I know there's nothing technically difficult in the > piece. If any > > of my little quirky moves don't come naturally to you, > substitute some > > of your own. > > > > Feel free to morph it for your own purposes. > > > > Happy playing, > > Warren > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 15:06:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE2D73BEE4; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:08:17 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: P.S. - RE: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar In-reply-to: <64b81a780512262213t4f4d4a92xb4b8398cce86aebc@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000f01c60af7$5e3661e0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:06:56 +0000 (UTC) I see that LilyPond can import Finale files, so this shouldn't be too hard. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:13 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar > > > Warren, > > Any chance of us seeing a PDF or PS of that score? I'd love > to give it a whirl, but using Linux, Finale is a no go for > me. Heck, I can't even hear the audo clip because I don't > have (or want) Real Media. > > I don't want to sound like a free software zealot, but man > proprietary formats suck. If you want to pump out a really > great score that anyone can read, check out > . Also, for lots of free > scores (mostly classical, non-loop-related) check out > . > > Anyway, I commend you for sharing and I wish we could all share more. > I guess I'm just bummed I can't play too. :} > > Todd > > > On 12/27/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > > > > Nice! I'm not sure I qualify as "any guitar player", but > I'll give > > > it a shot. . . > > > > > > (Can "any guitar player" read a score?) > > > > Thanks, Art! > > > > I'm honored that you're going to give it a shot. I hope you > enjoy it - > > it's certainly fun to play for me. > > > > The score is in tab with stems, so calling it a "score" might be a > > little more intimidating than it merits. (note: there are two grace > > notes in there that Finale didn't put a little slash > through - I think > > it'll be clear enough when you play along, but if you're > interested, > > I'll also make a standard notation version of it). > > > > But I know there's nothing technically difficult in the > piece. If any > > of my little quirky moves don't come naturally to you, > substitute some > > of your own. > > > > Feel free to morph it for your own purposes. > > > > Happy playing, > > Warren > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 15:29:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F34F93BEDC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <000001c60af6$f13f7c20$0402a8c0@Lightning> References: <000001c60af6$f13f7c20$0402a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:29:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Warren Sirota; No problem opening the tab In Finale Guitar. Also in Finale scores can be saved as tiff files which could be converted (any graphics program) to jpeg for easy email attachment. I also did not have any problem opening the sound file - it just fired up in Quicktime. - Paul On Dec 27, 2005, at 8:05 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > Todd, you make compelling points. I will happily make a PDF of the > score > today (in fact, that's what I should have done to start. I just wasn't > thinking) and post it along with an MP3. I had thought that the > RealAudio > would be a universal format, but you've corrected me on that. Thanks > for the > pointers. Finale outputs MusicXML, so it should be transferable, but I > can > always print to a PDF driver to make the file. (I've never used > MusicXML - I > hope it includes all the info that would be in a tab file. Does anyone > have > a any experience with it? It seems like a good concept, on the face of > it. > But you'd need a pretty insanely complicated XSL file to format it > into a > PDF, wouldn't you?) > > I am a big fan of free sw, btw. Who isn't? When I started learning > Finale > there were no viable alternatives, free or otherwise, and it's just > been > easiest to stay on that horse once I finally tamed the beast (isn't > that > what Finale stands for? It's Latin or something for "Finally... I > figured > out how to get rid of the measure numbers!" :-) ). > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:13 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar >> >> >> Warren, >> >> Any chance of us seeing a PDF or PS of that score? I'd love >> to give it a whirl, but using Linux, Finale is a no go for >> me. Heck, I can't even hear the audo clip because I don't >> have (or want) Real Media. >> >> I don't want to sound like a free software zealot, but man >> proprietary formats suck. If you want to pump out a really >> great score that anyone can read, check out >> . Also, for lots of free >> scores (mostly classical, non-loop-related) check out >> . >> >> Anyway, I commend you for sharing and I wish we could all share more. >> I guess I'm just bummed I can't play too. :} >> >> Todd >> >> >> On 12/27/05, Warren Sirota wrote: >>>> >>>> Nice! I'm not sure I qualify as "any guitar player", but >> I'll give >>>> it a shot. . . >>>> >>>> (Can "any guitar player" read a score?) >>> >>> Thanks, Art! >>> >>> I'm honored that you're going to give it a shot. I hope you >> enjoy it - >>> it's certainly fun to play for me. >>> >>> The score is in tab with stems, so calling it a "score" might be a >>> little more intimidating than it merits. (note: there are two grace >>> notes in there that Finale didn't put a little slash >> through - I think >>> it'll be clear enough when you play along, but if you're >> interested, >>> I'll also make a standard notation version of it). >>> >>> But I know there's nothing technically difficult in the >> piece. If any >>> of my little quirky moves don't come naturally to you, >> substitute some >>> of your own. >>> >>> Feel free to morph it for your own purposes. >>> >>> Happy playing, >>> Warren >>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 15:35:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 928973BEDE; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ANT1/4fTHxw8O887nY+TAGRBHDnn208h14q2NcoIiL8egh/n66h2Bbj03WElhNRFrMLYVQVUgu7J4j9+Sh7j3UImWU32vmyByip+tE/t+DZ/9ssaLn/WyxEUdhznEX6E755mvCgilrHmOt9IGnLIs48bQljvfouEreN9jM9IZ1Q= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:35:19 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c60af6$f13f7c20$0402a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: <5AUTCC.A.9DC.58VsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Also, in case some of you weren't aware, there is a free Finale reader (which includes Quicktime MIDI playback) available for Windows and Mac OS. TravisH On 12/27/05, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Warren Sirota; > No problem opening the tab In Finale Guitar. Also in Finale scores can > be saved as tiff files which could be converted (any graphics program) > to jpeg for easy email attachment. I also did not have any problem > opening the sound file - it just fired up in Quicktime. - Paul > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 15:36:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D7AB3BEE1; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1135697772!41273832!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C15@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Noise Mod Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:36:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C60AFB.43F693A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:36:16 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. 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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C60AFB.43F693A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 15:54:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E9023BED2; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780512262213t4f4d4a92xb4b8398cce86aebc@mail.gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0512262106v38ad15b1h92f6ad775f6894b2@mail.gmail.com> <000501c60aaa$b133adf0$0402a8c0@Lightning> <64b81a780512262213t4f4d4a92xb4b8398cce86aebc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: score for Ligeti piece? Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:54:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:54:43 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 26, 2005, at 11:13 PM, Todd Pafford wrote: > I don't want to sound like a free software zealot, but man proprietary > formats suck. If you want to pump out a really great score that > anyone can read, check out . Also, for > lots of free scores (mostly classical, non-loop-related) check out > . > Speaking of scores. I'm looking for the score to Gyorgy Ligeti's "Cantabile, molto legato Musica ricercata" - not sure if the stuff after "Cantabile" is all part of the title or not - it's what comes up in "iTunes". Would make annice loop piece - I think. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 15:55:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D19C23BED9; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Udlxylbiin7IzUYK2IwiTyFhkHsoeTi+7dcI33msEKj3oqJAVEtMNO1MnkGZz8ZFnvMoxqc9CWKBm7rQLdcad9NQHSEDP6ecW6clHm7j6Gf9evJI/BQFDoRDFlM2LPY5ReHwM4xMg8Pw83PSwht+TbH3cp3fgCqeOqcVnPwi+s4= Message-ID: <64b81a780512270755i6d21cfe3k112dcd943daea3ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:55:49 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: P.S. - RE: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar In-Reply-To: <000f01c60af7$5e3661e0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <64b81a780512262213t4f4d4a92xb4b8398cce86aebc@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c60af7$5e3661e0$0402a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: <3szSsC.A.LfC.GQWsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the heads up. I'll give it a go and let you know how it turns out. It might be interesting to compare Lilypond's output with Finale's. I'll let you know how it turns out. Todd On 12/27/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > I see that LilyPond can import Finale files, so this shouldn't be too har= d. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:13 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar > > > > > > Warren, > > > > Any chance of us seeing a PDF or PS of that score? I'd love > > to give it a whirl, but using Linux, Finale is a no go for > > me. Heck, I can't even hear the audo clip because I don't > > have (or want) Real Media. > > > > I don't want to sound like a free software zealot, but man > > proprietary formats suck. If you want to pump out a really > > great score that anyone can read, check out > > . Also, for lots of free > > scores (mostly classical, non-loop-related) check out > > . > > > > Anyway, I commend you for sharing and I wish we could all share more. > > I guess I'm just bummed I can't play too. :} > > > > Todd > > > > > > On 12/27/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > > > > > > Nice! I'm not sure I qualify as "any guitar player", but > > I'll give > > > > it a shot. . . > > > > > > > > (Can "any guitar player" read a score?) > > > > > > Thanks, Art! > > > > > > I'm honored that you're going to give it a shot. I hope you > > enjoy it - > > > it's certainly fun to play for me. > > > > > > The score is in tab with stems, so calling it a "score" might be a > > > little more intimidating than it merits. (note: there are two grace > > > notes in there that Finale didn't put a little slash > > through - I think > > > it'll be clear enough when you play along, but if you're > > interested, > > > I'll also make a standard notation version of it). > > > > > > But I know there's nothing technically difficult in the > > piece. If any > > > of my little quirky moves don't come naturally to you, > > substitute some > > > of your own. > > > > > > Feel free to morph it for your own purposes. > > > > > > Happy playing, > > > Warren > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 16:07:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 055683BED6; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UsEe3mxnjzQm4EYbYAP3FoCOi3gCU+dKLKBoQBgy4xt2M0ydizeH35SHTLwXQYrBDCBkuSWtj6sHt8ChIx+onrRPDHz9mVwGV4mVip1pOJks5jHGLXKbGL7VS49Mq2zRFeQtcKoPt9FlbNKcwYHHM2qATL/DZUL+36BCn24Zq0Q= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:07:13 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: score for Ligeti piece? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0512262106v38ad15b1h92f6ad775f6894b2@mail.gmail.com> <000501c60aaa$b133adf0$0402a8c0@Lightning> <64b81a780512262213t4f4d4a92xb4b8398cce86aebc@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:07:16 +0000 (UTC) What's the full album title? "Cantabile, molto legato Musica ricercata" isn't giving me enough to lock on. TravisH On 12/27/05, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > > Speaking of scores. I'm looking for the score to Gyorgy Ligeti's > "Cantabile, molto legato Musica ricercata" - not sure if the stuff > after "Cantabile" is all part of the title or not - it's what comes up > in "iTunes". Would make annice loop piece - I think. - Paul > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 16:08:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BFEB3BEEE; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: CT-Film Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:07:56 +0100 Message-ID: <009e01c60aff$b3e8e240$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20051227155551.201D23BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> Thread-Index: AcYK/eYYr/i+zEbQT8yxqRvaMt3dWwAALqOg X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:07:00 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.92.18 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:08:26 +0000 (UTC) We have a new finished project on the Chain-Tape-Collective site (www.ct-collective.com). The project, CT-Film, contains 14 tracks of either music for imaginary films, or new suondtracks for existing films. Most of the composers are also loopers and loopersdelight list members, and of course there is some amount of looping involved in several of the tracks. All tracks can be downloaded or streamed (streaming needs DSL). You can leave guestbook entries specifically for each track you like. Please use this feature - we love feedback! And when you have finished listening to the film music album - there are 19 other projects you can listen to! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 16:08:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A65813BEF6; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:08:57 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: P.S. - RE: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar In-reply-to: <64b81a780512270755i6d21cfe3k112dcd943daea3ed@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000301c60aff$d7ae9940$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Todd - I meant that I'd do the import, not you. Lilypond doesn't import the particular finale format that I uploaded, so don't waste your time. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:56 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: P.S. - RE: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped > (classical) guitar > > > Thanks for the heads up. I'll give it a go and let you know > how it turns out. It might be interesting to compare > Lilypond's output with Finale's. I'll let you know how it turns out. > > Todd > > > On 12/27/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > > I see that LilyPond can import Finale files, so this > shouldn't be too > > hard. > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:13 AM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) > > > guitar > > > > > > > > > Warren, > > > > > > Any chance of us seeing a PDF or PS of that score? I'd > love to give > > > it a whirl, but using Linux, Finale is a no go for me. Heck, I > > > can't even hear the audo clip because I don't have (or want) Real > > > Media. > > > > > > I don't want to sound like a free software zealot, but man > > > proprietary formats suck. If you want to pump out a really great > > > score that anyone can read, check out > > > . Also, for lots of free scores > > > (mostly classical, non-loop-related) check out > > > . > > > > > > Anyway, I commend you for sharing and I wish we could all share > > > more. I guess I'm just bummed I can't play too. :} > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > > On 12/27/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nice! I'm not sure I qualify as "any guitar player", but > > > I'll give > > > > > it a shot. . . > > > > > > > > > > (Can "any guitar player" read a score?) > > > > > > > > Thanks, Art! > > > > > > > > I'm honored that you're going to give it a shot. I hope you > > > enjoy it - > > > > it's certainly fun to play for me. > > > > > > > > The score is in tab with stems, so calling it a "score" > might be a > > > > little more intimidating than it merits. (note: there are two > > > > grace notes in there that Finale didn't put a little slash > > > through - I think > > > > it'll be clear enough when you play along, but if you're > > > interested, > > > > I'll also make a standard notation version of it). > > > > > > > > But I know there's nothing technically difficult in the > > > piece. If any > > > > of my little quirky moves don't come naturally to you, > > > substitute some > > > > of your own. > > > > > > > > Feel free to morph it for your own purposes. > > > > > > > > Happy playing, > > > > Warren > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 16:12:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E86633BF13; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jJ3zbttSpSiNmRx5iAY9TStXkzfD/gHRawdd2X0U1r76fcrR5xzt93kcmSvk7WCna6a2QfbxatFr1CZTQsepVKBR+6yA5IlN3czkO8hYVlwTejBVSHHFOQ9XFwDwlk624P5wKOnP49J6cSfJAMU7qM1KWCik0E+QEx0k1opgGm0= Message-ID: <588ce11d0512270812j61e1c836i9b92f5dd07513e93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:12:22 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: score for Ligeti piece? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0512262106v38ad15b1h92f6ad775f6894b2@mail.gmail.com> <000501c60aaa$b133adf0$0402a8c0@Lightning> <64b81a780512262213t4f4d4a92xb4b8398cce86aebc@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:12:25 +0000 (UTC) It might be track 23 on the Ligeti 3rd edition CD: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000029P0/002-4350376-787202= 1?v=3Dglance&s=3Dmusic&vi=3Dsamples#disc_1 On 12/27/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > What's the full album title? "Cantabile, molto legato Musica > ricercata" isn't giving me enough to lock on. > > TravisH > > On 12/27/05, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > > > > > Speaking of scores. I'm looking for the score to Gyorgy Ligeti's > > "Cantabile, molto legato Musica ricercata" - not sure if the stuff > > after "Cantabile" is all part of the title or not - it's what comes up > > in "iTunes". Would make annice loop piece - I think. - Paul > > > > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 16:13:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 262663BF15; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XNN7qUXVoP4/R+iFfAuBVxOF0idFY3LJc+4Ui0mwb3OA1wOILnF8Imo2W45GkdJMa72InHJ0FK6wQbxWzx9s2UtdpuTGS+egxVgfHIWOIM3O5wUP0RbQmG+6hh2PDSJNSZExXjOtyJ3cAN9fdCTRuEYPWSBtugt6XA0Nv4Q4jv4= Message-ID: <588ce11d0512270813k788a4de2l8e824abda863ef6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:13:31 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: score for Ligeti piece? In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0512270812j61e1c836i9b92f5dd07513e93@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0512262106v38ad15b1h92f6ad775f6894b2@mail.gmail.com> <000501c60aaa$b133adf0$0402a8c0@Lightning> <64b81a780512262213t4f4d4a92xb4b8398cce86aebc@mail.gmail.com> <588ce11d0512270812j61e1c836i9b92f5dd07513e93@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Oops, I mean track 21. On 12/27/05, Art Simon wrote: > It might be track 23 on the Ligeti 3rd edition CD: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000029P0/002-4350376-7872= 021?v=3Dglance&s=3Dmusic&vi=3Dsamples#disc_1 > > On 12/27/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > What's the full album title? "Cantabile, molto legato Musica > > ricercata" isn't giving me enough to lock on. > > > > TravisH > > > > On 12/27/05, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > > > > > > > > Speaking of scores. I'm looking for the score to Gyorgy Ligeti's > > > "Cantabile, molto legato Musica ricercata" - not sure if the stuff > > > after "Cantabile" is all part of the title or not - it's what comes u= p > > > in "iTunes". Would make annice loop piece - I think. - Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 16:18:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E2663BF1E; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dstwCRxm8zmo+LFChDfv/YQdDW67PQs2ltlsgVoGdJguGMIXz+c5UdEpnJRvc3quc86gBqv6EpT3ofd6gh/KsbMYJPFbQRE9lIS5Hv1qjnLQoxJ6CQnw/ew3h9N7jzTYXRo2irVcKf64ztl42v4yqlQma9gxtC1F3j9Swx8Q59Q= Message-ID: <64b81a780512270818q2b7630f1i21899def28c3da00@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:18:41 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ramble In The Bramble for solo looped (classical) guitar In-Reply-To: <000001c60af6$f13f7c20$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <64b81a780512262213t4f4d4a92xb4b8398cce86aebc@mail.gmail.com> <000001c60af6$f13f7c20$0402a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, Finale, Sibelius, and a few others have been the only options for so long that I think most folks have stopped looking for alternatives. I can tell you, though, Lilypond rocks. A while back I had to arrange Pachabels Canon for cello & guitar for a friend's wedding. It was my first full-sized Lilypond project and a great test drive. Once you get the hang of it it's quick and easy to use and the output is just beautiful...better than much of the published music I have on my shelf. I haven't worked with MusicXML much either, but Lilypond does import it so I'll have to give it a try. I wouldn't expect an XSL transform would be responsible for outputting a PDF. Much more likely the XML is used to build the data structures in memory and Finale uses a seperate engine to output the PDF. XSL is very good at walking through XML element by element, but has a harder time looking ahead and back to glean the context that typesetting (for PDF) would need. And regarding the "Finale =3D Finally I figured out how to...", of course, Lilypond has a bit of that too. Thankfully, the tricky bits are more obscure, like fine tuning the placement of fingering or string markings to take an example from my own experience. (I never did get those just how I wanted either.) Todd On 12/27/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > Todd, you make compelling points. I will happily make a PDF of the score > today (in fact, that's what I should have done to start. I just wasn't > thinking) and post it along with an MP3. I had thought that the RealAudio > would be a universal format, but you've corrected me on that. Thanks for = the > pointers. Finale outputs MusicXML, so it should be transferable, but I ca= n > always print to a PDF driver to make the file. (I've never used MusicXML = - I > hope it includes all the info that would be in a tab file. Does anyone ha= ve > a any experience with it? It seems like a good concept, on the face of it= . > But you'd need a pretty insanely complicated XSL file to format it into a > PDF, wouldn't you?) > > I am a big fan of free sw, btw. Who isn't? When I started learning Finale > there were no viable alternatives, free or otherwise, and it's just been > easiest to stay on that horse once I finally tamed the beast (isn't that > what Finale stands for? It's Latin or something for "Finally... I figured > out how to get rid of the measure numbers!" :-) ). > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 16:30:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F37413BEE1; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GV4Vp/xOehPHtD6clRY5eM97qaVW3c+1ZkyR38d+ddYcxCPPt/w/gtz76wpiI20wilx2tq4TeCp7ORiOsPxsvcwqmtX08QAlUwwDIiIDlMZYOmdS5RiOha5QVtGML6Nr6UjHyyi4a+LLk4H8sZNR7PZeQA+au/Xyf7nI0HlsR30= Message-ID: <64b81a780512270830p3e3b7ffaw8877cf5c5c18db3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:30:03 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: do they know? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051224010252.0534ae80@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051222201122.25704.qmail@web32514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051224010252.0534ae80@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:30:04 +0000 (UTC) > Nostalgia is fun, we all enjoy it sometimes. But I think if you lose > yourself in the past you will miss the extraordinary stuff happening toda= y > in the present. From what I can tell, genius is happening all the time. Wise words Kim. I think that's going to have to go in my quote file. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 16:47:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 161F23BEE0; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:47:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DYrEsAC9i5/9iA/ZyIcPTOhmnDQSsX4Jw4oeDOq3he/Js64JcEBPg10Wjy1vBo3xrGhOIHikQtK9MZ+07J/xYMa0EMqJUPwmnebGy3H1wxvAe1clofyhlMBHgVxy072W1nP8Lj/H/yllZ1gboLcibDUHrhR9S81+QT4CcZ93zvo= ; Message-ID: <20051227164724.58695.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:47:24 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: evil music & M.A.N To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1196684302-1135702044=:58693" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:47:26 +0000 (UTC) --0-1196684302-1135702044=:58693 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit lol very funny site Kim,reminded me of david hasselhoff is the antichrist site. i tried to respond to it but the link was gone.i would like to make that list of noiselollolollol daniel stevenson wrote: you see the truth. I am a soundscape artist bent on burning christ from the memories from mankind's colective thinking.My sounds hit you with tranquility and soothing textures,as to lull you into a receptive state of suggestion.thats when i introduce theme's of anti-authorityism,self-worship,racism,and create a lush sonic world void of god.I organize underground gatherings where the use of mind altering drugs is practically mandatory(squares are frowed upon and looked at as narcs and excluded from our raindeer games)LSD25 is still the drug of choice as you can dose some-one simply by putting a drop on your finger and touching the victim on the skin.Then i come at the audience with amazing displays of one man+looping delays and gadets that layer the listener deeper and deeper with every note of the building crecendo(i acually dont know what im doing as i am in a state of meditive trance just like the audience). I would love to make your list of offencive noise makers,i think what your doing is great and i want to be part of it. wickedly yours. scary visionary --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --0-1196684302-1135702044=:58693 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    lol very funny site Kim,reminded me of david hasselhoff is the antichrist site.
    i tried to respond to it but the link was gone.i would like to make that list of noiselollolollol

    daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
    you see the truth.
         I am a soundscape artist bent on burning christ from the memories from mankind's colective thinking.My sounds hit you with tranquility and soothing textures,as to lull you into a receptive state of suggestion.thats when i introduce theme's of anti-authorityism,self-worship,racism,and create a lush sonic world void of god.I organize underground gatherings where the use of mind altering drugs is practically mandatory(squares are frowed upon and looked at as narcs and excluded from our raindeer games)LSD25 is still the drug of choice as you can dose some-one simply by putting a drop on your finger and touching the victim on the skin.Then i come at the audience with amazing displays of one man+looping delays  and gadets that layer the listener deeper and deeper with every note of the building crecendo(i acually dont know what im doing as i am in a state of meditive trance just like the audience).
    I would love to make your list of offencive noise makers,i think what your doing is great and i want to be part of it.
    wickedly yours.
                          scary visionary
     
    Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.

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Shopping --0-1196684302-1135702044=:58693-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 17:25:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2AD53BEDB; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0gQ7pxRwUa8b8/v76j9RWpXWBYIHFOOYR0gdQWb6qRtWxNBZ1gHp6sipOp4pEhttNFr/TBnJkCmQOqVWW7AUiQztwyEJW0lezdNPPL7FG5tZ74agVfK1mFvJMcO3WrOy1I5vczIdkAm50RVsm99nt97OYtfZtJxjX0WpVikAvoc= ; Message-ID: <20051227172512.55339.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:25:12 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: do they know? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051224010252.0534ae80@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-569565827-1135704312=:54043" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:25:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-569565827-1135704312=:54043 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit very cool, i was half joking or some ratio anyway.but i do wonder why anyone exposed to the looping gear doesnt have a life changing epiphanius moment of clarity where they can drop their personna and become reborn as a musician and a person,i know it compleatly changed me and my outlook on life and music... I agree wholeheartedlly on the points you make.i do need to buy music from the amazing folks on the list,but where do i start?i havent bought anything for a good long while.if and when i do buy some music for listening ,it will be guitar looping.or cello...ok even sax,or keys...well lets just say loops.it will be a looping album's from members of LD "your all great" Kim Flint wrote: At 12:11 PM 12/22/2005, daniel stevenson wrote: >needs to go loopy...and make an album of it. > >steve via ottmarr liebert >joe satriani jeff beck >adrian legg adam jones don't know about them. >al demiola I demoed the EDP to him at NAMM many years ago. (there's a whole funny story to go with that, ask me some time.) He was mildly interested but I never heard that he got into it. > mark mothersbro why? >kieth jarret no idea > david bowie Bowie, I can't imagine it. Many of his guitar players I can, and they have. Not sure about the other band members. >ed van halen stanley jordan Both of them own EDP's, unless they sold them. I don't know how they use them. >david gilmore trent renzor why? >mark knofler hmm. Notice there is no 'p' in it. Please keep it that way. >kirk hammet also an EDP owner, if he still has them. I think he is waiting for James to give him permission to use it. >marty friedman record a bazillion pointless notes. overdub a bazillion more. my head hurts. > ad rock >billy corigan no idea. >don vito you mean the guy from viva la bam? Absolutely, he needs to start looping. >cecil taylor interestingly, Oscar Peterson has used loopers. No idea about Cecil Taylor though. >les claypool Les uses looping in live shows all the time now. he uses some pedal for his loops, but I'm not sure what. His looping is mostly very simple (at least what I've seen/heard). >neil young don't see it. >danny elfman why? >maynard keenan? ferguson? Good stuff, Maynard. >bobby mcferrin I'm tempted to agree. But on the other hand he seems to cover a lot of ground without it. It's like wondering what Tuck Andress would do with a looper. He fills all available space already, why would he need/desire it? >mickey hart no idea. But Bob Weir has a pair of EDP's. I don't know what he does with them though. Rob Wasserman also. >jr brown > >if ya know about any of these folks looping,send a link. >your pal, gout boy"owww my pedals" Maybe some of the others you list are looping also but I don't know, I just happened to be more privy to people who owned EDP's over the years. However like Claude, I doubt that any of these folks are going to do anything revolutionary with looping. They may be amazing musicians, but they have their voice already, established long ago. Maybe some will turn their music in a loopy direction and do something remarkable, but most likely not. On the other hand, we have amazing (yet less famous) musicians today in the present revolutionizing the whole concept of looping with new techniques and ideas. Looping is a part of their voice and their music down to the core. Pay attention to them, they are defining the future right now. Nostalgia is fun, we all enjoy it sometimes. But I think if you lose yourself in the past you will miss the extraordinary stuff happening today in the present. From what I can tell, genius is happening all the time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-569565827-1135704312=:54043 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    very cool,
        i was half joking or some ratio anyway.but i do wonder why anyone exposed to the looping gear doesnt have a life changing epiphanius moment of clarity where they can drop their personna and become reborn as a musician and a person,i know it compleatly changed me and my outlook on life and music...
        I agree wholeheartedlly on the points you make.i do need to buy music from the amazing folks on the list,but where do i start?i havent bought anything for a good long while.if and when i do buy some music for listening ,it will be guitar looping.or cello...ok even sax,or keys...well lets just say loops.it will be a looping album's from members of LD "your all great"


    Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote:
    At 12:11 PM 12/22/2005, daniel stevenson wrote:
    >needs to go loopy...and make an album of it.
    >
    >steve via ottmarr liebert
    >joe satriani jeff beck
    >adrian legg adam jones

    don't know about them.

    >al demiola

    I demoed the EDP to him at NAMM many years ago. (there's a whole funny
    story to go with that, ask me some time.) He was mildly interested but I
    never heard that he got into it.

    > mark mothersbro

    why?

    >kieth jarret

    no idea

    > david bowie

    Bowie, I can't imagine it. Many of his guitar players I can, and they have.
    Not sure about the other band members.

    >ed van halen stanley jordan

    Both of them own EDP's, unless they sold them. I don't know how they use them.

    >david gilmore trent renzor

    why?

    >mark knofler

    hmm.

    Notice there is no 'p' in it. Please keep it that way.

    >kirk hammet

    also an EDP owner, if he still has them. I think he is waiting for James to
    give him permission to use it.

    >marty friedman

    record a bazillion pointless notes. overdub a bazillion more. my head hurts.

    > ad rock
    >billy corigan

    no idea.

    >don vito

    you mean the guy from viva la bam? Absolutely, he needs to start looping.

    >cecil taylor

    interestingly, Oscar Peterson has used loopers. No idea about Cecil Taylor
    though.

    >les claypool

    Les uses looping in live shows all the time now. he uses some pedal for his
    loops, but I'm not sure what. His looping is mostly very simple (at least
    what I've seen/heard).

    >neil young

    don't see it.

    >danny elfman

    why?

    >maynard

    keenan? ferguson?

    Good stuff, Maynard.

    >bobby mcferrin

    I'm tempted to agree. But on the other hand he seems to cover a lot of
    ground without it. It's like wondering what Tuck Andress would do with a
    looper. He fills all available space already, why would he need/desire it?

    >mickey hart

    no idea. But Bob Weir has a pair of EDP's. I don't know what he does with
    them though. Rob Wasserman also.

    >jr brown
    >
    >if ya know about any of these folks looping,send a link.
    >your pal, gout boy"owww my pedals"

    Maybe some of the others you list are looping also but I don't know, I just
    happened to be more privy to people who owned EDP's over the years.

    However like Claude, I doubt that any of these folks are going to do
    anything revolutionary with looping. They may be amazing musicians, but
    they have their voice already, established long ago. Maybe some will turn
    their music in a loopy direction and do something remarkable, but most
    likely not.

    On the other hand, we have amazing (yet less famous) musicians today in the
    present revolutionizing the whole concept of looping with new techniques
    and ideas. Looping is a part of their voice and their music down to the
    core. Pay attention to them, they are defining the future right now.

    Nostalgia is fun, we all enjoy it sometimes. But I think if you lose
    yourself in the past you will miss the extraordinary stuff happening today
    in the present. From what I can tell, genius is happening all the time.

    kim


    ______________________________________________________________________
    Kim Flint | Looper's Delight
    kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com


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Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-569565827-1135704312=:54043-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 17:29:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8A323BEDC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0512270813k788a4de2l8e824abda863ef6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0512262106v38ad15b1h92f6ad775f6894b2@mail.gmail.com> <000501c60aaa$b133adf0$0402a8c0@Lightning> <64b81a780512262213t4f4d4a92xb4b8398cce86aebc@mail.gmail.com> <588ce11d0512270812j61e1c836i9b92f5dd07513e93@mail.gmail.com> <588ce11d0512270813k788a4de2l8e824abda863ef6b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: score for Ligeti piece? Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:29:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <93L1sB.A.ynF._nXsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Yup, that's it. - Paul On Dec 27, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Art Simon wrote: > Oops, I mean track 21. > > On 12/27/05, Art Simon wrote: >> It might be track 23 on the Ligeti 3rd edition CD: >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000029P0/002-4350376 >> -7872021?v=glance&s=music&vi=samples#disc_1 >> >> On 12/27/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: >>> What's the full album title? "Cantabile, molto legato Musica >>> ricercata" isn't giving me enough to lock on. >>> >>> TravisH >>> >>> On 12/27/05, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Speaking of scores. I'm looking for the score to Gyorgy Ligeti's >>>> "Cantabile, molto legato Musica ricercata" - not sure if the stuff >>>> after "Cantabile" is all part of the title or not - it's what comes >>>> up >>>> in "iTunes". Would make annice loop piece - I think. - Paul >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Art Simon >> simart@null.net >> http://art.simon.tripod.com >> http://artsimon.iuma.com >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 17:59:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73D183BED6; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20051223185857.03122CA08E@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20051223185857.03122CA08E@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:53:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:59:18 +0000 (UTC) At 1:58 PM -0500 12/23/05, joe rut wrote: >What this joke form points out to me is that music is only relevant >within a context. Drugs (LSD and others in the case of the Dead, >and ecstasy/ >speed and others in the case of techno) were vital to creating the >context in which the music was created, and often appreciated. "Often," but not exclusively. I'd say acid was absolutely essential to the creation of the Dead's groupmind, and I'll confess that I was high on acid the first time I heard them play, but you don't have to be on acid to play that way and you don't have to be on acid to appreciate what they did. (In the later years it helped if you had a tolerance for weak but heartfelt vocals and the patience to endure group improvisations that weren't truly interactive, but that's another conversation.) >Other "contexts" that might guide what people like/dislike about >forms of music might include: >A deeply ingrained feeling that all is right with the world. >A deeply ingrained feeling that the world is a piece of shit. >A belief, or lack thereof, in a kind, loving supreme being. >Lots of coffee. >People who don't use their turn signal. >A fixation on "intellect". >A fixation on "emotion". >A belief that music is only meaningful with chord progressions. >An aptitude for higher mathmatics. >Hatred of numbers of any kind. > >Blah, Blah, Blah. The list is infinite. I love it. >Maybe I would feel the same way about the particular loops to which >they listened (that something was missing). But I always try to >explore *why* a piece of music works or does not work for me. For >me, the answer is *never* something missing in the music. The >answer is *always* something missing in the context. OK. Maybe >not *always*. I forget how my brain works and shift into *objective >mode* sometimes (usually when discussing music over a pint of >Guiness). But I try to stay aware that my feelings on anything are >the result of an interaction between the thing and myself. I find I >can learn quite a bit by exploring what it is about my context that >makes a piece of music work or not work for me. In becoming aware >of *why* something does not work for me, I begin to understand that >thing/myself better. Somtimes that exploration leads me to even >change my mind about the thing. I have a tendency to approach music (as other forms of art) on its own terms. I know a few self-styled critics who love to tear something apart for not being what the critic would have created if only he'd had the time, blah blah blah - but to me it makes more sense to let the art define its own terms, and find out what it's trying to say. (That's the best way to deal with the Grateful Dead, of course: they built a universe of their own and succeeded mightily in there, and the fact that so many found their music incomprehensible or worse made no difference to their ability to earn a handsome living doing it. I know what's good about GD music and what's good about other music, and I don't confuse the two.) >What did the music critic say after his preconceptions wore off? >Hmmmmm. That might be interesting. Joe, you and I are both songwriters who also do loop work. I think that means we live in (at least) two worlds at the same time, sorta. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 18:23:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 079203BED2; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jLKRJZyjoQIpZE5Mqae3/WUgGJ+JBWPu1XnKk+L/5LDiXeq3a+o9vspMjjGYgmfAnbo8EKPICid6pij2frV9fdP5JZhuOzNBvv9QCRIGxS21Vv1h7WaJzmm+3qVqe8R2Y1GHIXIHVfMjl95dppbD8+ZyOSB8N7Px44+1RDj8vVI= ; Message-ID: <20051227182305.79490.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:23:05 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:23:07 +0000 (UTC) --- David Gans wrote: > >A deeply ingrained feeling that the world is a > piece of shit. I can only think of the Hanky the Christmas Poo song about how poop is everything... I guess it's context too eh? Poop on your shoe, not good, poop on the ground that feeds a plant that feeds a cow that makes milk to become icecream... nice! music. The > >answer is *always* something missing in the > context. I always wonder why some forms of music don't work for me outside of a live context, and others only seem to work in a recorded form. Do other people have these issues? Mark __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 18:34:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A68713BEDC; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20051227182305.79490.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051227182305.79490.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:32:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:34:15 +0000 (UTC) For the record, both of the quoted sections below were from Joe Rut; I was replying to him, and so are you. >--- David Gans wrote: > >> >A deeply ingrained feeling that the world is a >> piece of shit. > >I can only think of the Hanky the Christmas Poo song >about how poop is everything... I guess it's context >too eh? Poop on your shoe, not good, poop on the >ground that feeds a plant that feeds a cow that makes >milk to become icecream... nice! > > music. The >> >answer is *always* something missing in the >> context. > >I always wonder why some forms of music don't work for >me outside of a live context, and others only seem to >work in a recorded form. Do other people have these issues? Oh, for sure. I do a radio show, and I get a ton of CDs in the mail. Most of what I hear doesn't do much for me. Sometimes I'll see one of those acts live and totally get it; then I'll go back to the CD and it'll work for me. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 19:01:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D9CE3BEE4; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,297,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="189060994:sNHT29730632" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20051223185857.03122CA08E@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:46:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:01:23 +0000 (UTC) At 9:53 AM -0800 12/27/05, David Gans wrote: >> > >I have a tendency to approach music (as other forms of art) on its >own terms. I know a few self-styled critics who love to tear >something apart for not being what the critic would have created if >only he'd had the time, blah blah blah - but to me it makes more >sense to let the art define its own terms, and find out what it's >trying to say. Well put. I'd add that it also makes sense to accept the fact that one's lack of interest in what the art is trying to say does not imply that the art is 'bad'. I'm sure we've all had the experience of hearing music we really liked at the time and then rapidly grew sick of. I know I've had the opposite experience of hearing a disk I just couldn't get, putting it on a couple of years later and wondering how I could have missed it. >(That's the best way to deal with the Grateful Dead, of course: they >built a universe of their own and succeeded mightily in there, and >the fact that so many found their music incomprehensible or worse >made no difference to their ability to earn a handsome living doing >it. I know what's good about GD music and what's good about other >music, and I don't confuse the two.) For me (at least) there are points of overlap with many other forms of music. > > >>What did the music critic say after his preconceptions wore off? >>Hmmmmm. That might be interesting. I'm trying to recall a case where I actually read of a music critic admitting that his preconceptions have worn off. OTOH I recall a very useful review by a critic who didn't like a disk, but was able to describe the music fairly and well enough to make me realize that I would. OK -- time to stop procrastinating and get back to the art. -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 19:01:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A09C3BEF1; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,297,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="189061006:sNHT112918298" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20051227182305.79490.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051227182305.79490.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:55:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:01:34 +0000 (UTC) At 10:23 AM -0800 12/27/05, mark sottilaro wrote: >--- David Gans wrote: > >> >A deeply ingrained feeling that the world is a >> piece of shit. > >I can only think of the Hanky the Christmas Poo song >about how poop is everything... I guess it's context >too eh? Poop on your shoe, not good, poop on the >ground that feeds a plant that feeds a cow that makes >milk to become icecream... nice! > > music. The >> >answer is *always* something missing in the >> context. > >I always wonder why some forms of music don't work for >me outside of a live context, and others only seem to >work in a recorded form. Do other people have these >issues? I certainly do. Some more edgy jazz tends to work for me live better than at home, although I've had occasions where I picked up disks at a show that I thought I might not enjoy at home and found myself pleasantly surprised. I rarely feel any incentive to hear non-improvised music live. For recorded music, there is also the related issue of live vs. studio. Like most fans, GD's live material works better for me at home than GD's studio material. I sometimes have a similar reaction to studio jazz disks. Generally I like studio jazz disks better if they sound as if they were recorded live. (Longer pieces, fairly constant personnel over the course of the disk) > >Mark > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. >http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 19:42:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A6C63BEE8; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B1991E.8000508@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:42:22 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: do they know? References: <20051222201122.25704.qmail@web32514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051224010252.0534ae80@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051224010252.0534ae80@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6oNWh.A.MNB.nkZsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Kim Flint wrote: >> bobby mcferrin > > I'm tempted to agree. But on the other hand he seems to cover a lot of > ground without it. It's ages ago, I definitely heard him looping on an incredible solo concert in Berlin, if I remeber correctly. (I could proof it, I recorded the show (don't tell anybody ;-)) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 20:25:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 721E53BEDB; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:25:09 +0100 Message-ID: <43A945FF00013DA0@mail-2.mail.tiscali.sys> In-Reply-To: <009e01c60aff$b3e8e240$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> From: fabio.anile@tiscali.it Subject: RE: CT-Film To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Loopers Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, Michael, but I'm now in my Xmas holydays and here I've a very slow= internet connection. I'll check the Ct-collective project when I'll come back in Rome and then= I'll leave my comments. IN the meanwhile....have nice holydays and HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU !!! fABIO >-- Messaggio Originale -- >From: "Michael Peters" >To: "Loopers Delight" >Subject: CT-Film >Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:07:56 +0100 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >We have a new finished project on the Chain-Tape-Collective site >(www.ct-collective.com). The project, CT-Film, contains 14 tracks of eit= her >music for imaginary films, or new suondtracks for existing films. Most o= f >the composers are also loopers and loopersdelight list members, and of >course there is some amount of looping involved in several of the tracks= . > > >All tracks can be downloaded or streamed (streaming needs DSL). You can >leave guestbook entries specifically for each track you like. Please use= >this feature - we love feedback! > >And when you have finished listening to the film music album - there are= >19 >other projects you can listen to! > >Michael >www.michaelpeters.de > > _________________________________________________________________ TISCALI ADSL Web&Mail Solo con Tiscali Adsl navighi e telefoni senza canone Telecom a partire d= a 14,95 Euro/mese. Attivala subito! Per te 500 MB inclusi per navigare, inviare e ricevere messaggi e-mail, f= oto ed mp3. http://abbonati.tiscali.it/adsl/sa/2wam_tc/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 20:31:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BA7F3BEDD; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20051223185857.03122CA08E@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:29:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:31:35 +0000 (UTC) At 1:46 PM -0500 12/27/05, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: >I'd add that it also makes sense to accept the fact that one's lack >of interest in what the art is trying to say does not imply that the >art is 'bad'. Funny how many people seem to need to put the hurt on music they don't like or understand. What was Joni Mitchell's famous line, something like "The virtue of your taste inscribed upon your contempt for mine"? >I'm sure we've all had the experience of hearing music we really >liked at the time and then rapidly grew sick of. I know I've had >the opposite experience of hearing a disk I just couldn't get, >putting it on a couple of years later and wondering how I could have >missed it. Yes, and yes! -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 20:37:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD0EE3BEDB; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kERMHaTzEJ1c9B5A55dk5zMZ7rEFFqziPHniGbq0B2wthaXEniRFkRzh8e5P3E8nDnm9CFL8ORvUfdrjE+27A7sq/vHbKcHXl4qbuDxdnotxD6lMbHDpVo/xrJvA0jQuPAn88uLaHt6ysbVtsxT7a+WiZh4jeJh1cPPi89jkvEk= ; Message-ID: <20051227203721.33636.qmail@web34210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:37:21 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Real Audio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051227155551.281FC3BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Friends don't let friends use Real Audio, aka Satan's Spawn. Try Real Alternative instead to play any RA files. It's basically the Real Audio player with all the spyware stripped out. Do a Google search for it. Stephen << Heck, I can't even hear the audo clip because I don't have (or want) Real Media. __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 21:00:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14CE23BEDA; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,297,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="189097568:sNHT75987472" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20051223185857.03122CA08E@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:53:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:00:58 +0000 (UTC) At 12:29 PM -0800 12/27/05, David Gans wrote: >At 1:46 PM -0500 12/27/05, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > >>I'd add that it also makes sense to accept the fact that one's lack >>of interest in what the art is trying to say does not imply that >>the art is 'bad'. > >Funny how many people seem to need to put the hurt on music they >don't like or understand. What was Joni Mitchell's famous line, >something like "The virtue of your taste inscribed upon your >contempt for mine"? It seems a lot of critics are looking for a way to show how witty and clever they are, and dissing work they don't like gives them a chance to do so. (I do admit to a guilty fondness for the way the NY Times movie critics pull this off.) It does get back to context. e.g. I don't care for industrial strength noise music, but it doesn't bother me if I don't have to hear it. I've been known to violently object when it is played through huge speakers 10 feet from a complex rig that I am trying to take down. e.g. I don't think much one way or the other of Wynton Marsalis's music per se, but I do get very upset at his putdowns of people whose music I care for greatly. e.g. I used to go dancing at a place where the people who made the dance tapes had an unfortunate tendency to program things like Michael Jackson's "On a Beach by the Sun" (-: > > >>I'm sure we've all had the experience of hearing music we really >>liked at the time and then rapidly grew sick of. I know I've had >>the opposite experience of hearing a disk I just couldn't get, >>putting it on a couple of years later and wondering how I could >>have missed it. > >Yes, and yes! > > > > >-- > >David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com >Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 >Blog: http://playback.trufun.com -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 21:23:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67B643BEDE; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:23:59 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Real Audio In-reply-to: <20051227203721.33636.qmail@web34210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000b01c60b2b$da07ee90$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Good tip. I have Ad-aware running, so it blocks all the registry mods that RA wants to do. I agree that it's an obnoxious program. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:37 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Real Audio > > > > Friends don't let friends use Real Audio, aka Satan's > Spawn. Try Real Alternative instead to play any RA files. > It's basically the Real Audio player with all the spyware > stripped out. Do a Google search for it. > > Stephen > > << Heck, I can't even hear the audo clip because I don't > have (or want) Real Media. > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 22:10:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7B5B3BED9; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <52353.24.23.212.71.1135721403.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:10:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in Prehistory From: "Dan Soltzberg" To: In-Reply-To: <20051227055007.2913E3BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051227055007.2913E3BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Reply-To: dan@envelopeproductions.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3ktEfD.A.w2F._ubsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:10:07 +0000 (UTC) That would probably have been me--I don't remember seeing anyone else doing that kind of thing at that time. Tim, it's neat that we crossed paths like that, back in the dark ages, without knowing it. Hey, I just got a spam from Ken Fields and noticed that you're on a CD with him. Cool. I did a few shows with Ken over the last couple of years in a loose improv collective called NODE. dan --ghost7 http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I REMEMBER YOU! YOU WERE GREAT! Harvard Square, yes? Or was there another echo-using busker-bassist working the Square at that time? ~Tim Mungenast ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/24/2005 11:37:58 PM Subject: re: gratuitous nostalgia was: re: Looping in prehistory I remember playing bass on the street in Cambridge, MA, in around 1980-something, with a Moose battery operated bass amp and a DOD analog delay. Playing at night in the doorway of a bank where the sound would echo around, and playing against the echoes of the delay and the echoes coming off all the marble and concrete, and thinking to myself how cool it would be if there was something that could really capture and repeat . . . Now we live in the future. Merry christmas, y’all. dan -- ghost7 http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 22:26:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47B413BED6; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: The Dark Age Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:28:03 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <52353.24.23.212.71.1135721403.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to as "the dark age"? Rainer (whom a (musician) friend once introduced to some friends as "a guy who can make everything sound so beatifully eighties") From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 22:45:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3D283BED6; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,298,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="146829360:sNHT22218286" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:44:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: The Dark Age Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Some of us aging hippies were hoping the decade would signal a rebound from some unsatisfying (to us, at least) musical tendencies (disco, fusion, etc,) of the 70's. We were disappointed-:) At 11:28 PM +0100 12/27/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to >as "the dark age"? > > Rainer > >(whom a (musician) friend once introduced to some friends as "a guy who >can make everything sound so beatifully eighties") -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 22:45:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B48D83BEE7; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UbU0yuvw5RFPjbBoIE4062ybMC0eJA7xI0sqLYynz3qMZzdONGxNu+DUaeEKH1/mwxeNoo5t9ojlSn4lGrenUeEtqpGmNDT/BH+yNHvOlI8Q8ZTg+z6glC6GI7AGy5VT8KlLigGcPEjohH9oPFS+k0hacjM9xtfP8iJXd8kPsoo= ; Message-ID: <20051227224507.75845.qmail@web51515.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:45:07 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Marshall Subject: Re: The Dark Age To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1795321983-1135723507=:75588" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:45:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-1795321983-1135723507=:75588 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit a small list of why the 80's might be considered the "dark age" Billy Squier Ryan Adams 1000 or so hair bands Journey Styx guitar tapping MTV VH1 CMT The beginning of the Republican/ Corporate takeover of all things that have great natural beauty. thanks for letting me rant :-) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to as "the dark age"? Rainer (whom a (musician) friend once introduced to some friends as "a guy who can make everything sound so beatifully eighties") --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-1795321983-1135723507=:75588 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    a small list of why the 80's might be considered the "dark age"
     
    Billy Squier
    Ryan Adams
    1000 or so hair bands
    Journey
    Styx
    guitar tapping
    MTV
    VH1
    CMT
    The beginning of the Republican/ Corporate takeover of all things that have great natural beauty.
     
    thanks for letting me rant
    :-)
     
     


    Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
    Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to
    as "the dark age"?

    Rainer

    (whom a (musician) friend once introduced to some friends as "a guy who
    can make everything sound so beatifully eighties")


    Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-1795321983-1135723507=:75588-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 22:49:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 704563BEDA; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:50:20 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: Ramble PDF and MP3 now up. Plus, Looped Text In-reply-to: <64b81a780512262213t4f4d4a92xb4b8398cce86aebc@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c60b37$ea31b1f0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_YagFD.A.oyG.zTcsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi All, I've just put up a PDF and MP3 of Ramble in the Bramble, at http://www.warrensirota.com/Solostuff/. Now *everyone* should be able to listen and view, if they wish. BTW, I found that Lilypond was not capable of interpreting either the ETF or the MusicXML generated by Finale for this piece (not necessarily Lilypond's fault!), and also that my version of Finale (2003) does not have a TIFF export function. I produced the PDF by printing from Finale to a PDF print driver (always reliable). Also, I put up a link there to a Looped Text piece that I wrote some years ago. I think it's one of the cooler things that I've ever done, and I'm sure you guys will dig the concept. Happy listening and playing, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 23:14:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C09CC3BED3; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:14:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DDdSXrnM6taoQq5KBc79C1r8IeiaPcl/jR79b9T8qkmYZde19ZxpTTKJTZpr6JZgOl8Md3527bjzAMu3qbzXkbNjahJXzoBpUOax9CDFpG2PyBzkKEJAZKlj3VsSnDC1RDCqg6KuM8NUy2oHf9NcuQetaM/0vP54mF8SmXaM0Nc= ; Message-ID: <20051227231411.83004.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:14:11 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Ramble PDF and MP3 now up. Plus, Looped Text To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c60b37$ea31b1f0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-232719856-1135725251=:83001" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:14:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-232719856-1135725251=:83001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hey cool piece that ramble, very intresting vibe,like a puzzel,made me feel slueth-like(sherlock holmes/hercule poirot).theres video with it?my player didnt play it. thanks you, danny. Warren Sirota wrote: Hi All, I've just put up a PDF and MP3 of Ramble in the Bramble, at http://www.warrensirota.com/Solostuff/. Now *everyone* should be able to listen and view, if they wish. BTW, I found that Lilypond was not capable of interpreting either the ETF or the MusicXML generated by Finale for this piece (not necessarily Lilypond's fault!), and also that my version of Finale (2003) does not have a TIFF export function. I produced the PDF by printing from Finale to a PDF print driver (always reliable). Also, I put up a link there to a Looped Text piece that I wrote some years ago. I think it's one of the cooler things that I've ever done, and I'm sure you guys will dig the concept. Happy listening and playing, Warren Sirota --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-232719856-1135725251=:83001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    hey cool piece that ramble,
         very intresting vibe,like a puzzel,made me feel slueth-like(sherlock holmes/hercule poirot).theres video with it?my player didnt play it.
    thanks you,
                         danny.

    Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
    Hi All,

    I've just put up a PDF and MP3 of Ramble in the Bramble, at
    http://www.warrensirota.com/Solostuff/. Now *everyone* should be able to
    listen and view, if they wish.

    BTW, I found that Lilypond was not capable of interpreting either the ETF or
    the MusicXML generated by Finale for this piece (not necessarily Lilypond's
    fault!), and also that my version of Finale (2003) does not have a TIFF
    export function. I produced the PDF by printing from Finale to a PDF print
    driver (always reliable).

    Also, I put up a link there to a Looped Text piece that I wrote some years
    ago. I think it's one of the cooler things that I've ever done, and I'm sure
    you guys will dig the concept.

    Happy listening and playing,
    Warren Sirota



    Yahoo! Photos
    Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-232719856-1135725251=:83001-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 23:30:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 300713BECD; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Ramble PDF and MP3 now up. Plus, Looped Text Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:30:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <000001c60b37$ea31b1f0$0402a8c0@Lightning> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYLN4ISonjvkeb7Siq4cZKA8iOOVAABdsXw Message-Id: <20051227232950.KYCC15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Nice! Of course, as soon as the melody started, I'm all, "Sleigh bells ring, are you listening . . ." Happy holidays! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 23:36:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED0AB3BECF; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:37:45 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Ramble PDF and MP3 now up. Plus, Looped Text In-reply-to: <20051227232950.KYCC15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000c01c60b3e$8a39cec0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I guess I can see that. Funny. Thanks for listening. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:30 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Ramble PDF and MP3 now up. Plus, Looped Text > > > Nice! > Of course, as soon as the melody started, I'm all, "Sleigh > bells ring, are you listening . . ." Happy holidays! Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 23:36:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A94A3BEE2; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:37:45 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Ramble PDF and MP3 now up. Plus, Looped Text In-reply-to: <20051227231411.83004.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000d01c60b3e$8a7a3320$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+NIdoq3buNHKi5bcJ/jn5A)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:36:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_+NIdoq3buNHKi5bcJ/jn5A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT thanks, danny. no video with the piece, just audio. Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ramble PDF and MP3 now up. Plus, Looped Text hey cool piece that ramble, very intresting vibe,like a puzzel,made me feel slueth-like(sherlock holmes/hercule poirot).theres video with it?my player didnt play it. thanks you, danny. Warren Sirota wrote: Hi All, I've just put up a PDF and MP3 of Ramble in the Bramble, at http://www.warrensirota.com/Solostuff/. Now *everyone* should be able to listen and view, if they wish. BTW, I found that Lilypond was not capable of interpreting either the ETF or the MusicXML generated by Finale for this piece (not necessarily Lilypond's fault!), and also that my version of Finale (2003) does not have a TIFF export function. I produced the PDF by printing from Finale to a PDF print driver (always reliable). Also, I put up a link there to a Looped Text piece that I wrote some years ago. I think it's one of the cooler things that I've ever done, and I'm sure you guys will dig the concept. Happy listening and playing, Warren Sirota _____ Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --Boundary_(ID_+NIdoq3buNHKi5bcJ/jn5A) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
    thanks, danny. no video with the piece, just audio.
     
     
    Best wishes,
    Warren Sirota
    -----Original Message-----
    From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:14 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Ramble PDF and MP3 now up. Plus, Looped Text

    hey cool piece that ramble,
         very intresting vibe,like a puzzel,made me feel slueth-like(sherlock holmes/hercule poirot).theres video with it?my player didnt play it.
    thanks you,
                         danny.

    Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
    Hi All,

    I've just put up a PDF and MP3 of Ramble in the Bramble, at
    http://www.warrensirota.com/Solostuff/. Now *everyone* should be able to
    listen and view, if they wish.

    BTW, I found that Lilypond was not capable of interpreting either the ETF or
    the MusicXML generated by Finale for this piece (not necessarily Lilypond's
    fault!), and also that my version of Finale (2003) does not have a TIFF
    export function. I produced the PDF by printing from Finale to a PDF print
    driver (always reliable).

    Also, I put up a link there to a Looped Text piece that I wrote some years
    ago. I think it's one of the cooler things that I've ever done, and I'm sure
    you guys will dig the concept.

    Happy listening and playing,
    Warren Sirota



    Yahoo! Photos
    Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
    --Boundary_(ID_+NIdoq3buNHKi5bcJ/jn5A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 27 23:48:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D10083BEE4; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PbxEpkDqEEq4+9xqVvSeVucRENAATrZNCmatdiCD+DZHhoVxELCVKErGNMZE5ZTGNXxFPwvPdQnFl3L8y4M9rxVUKXvd1Sb4GzohmqqO/XS77xvNJvl3WdgpD3Fe8C9JrOmT+qeeBXq7NmD7e4ZdCEkZk+V0mAmsa/3C2yiHPuc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:48:07 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dark Age In-Reply-To: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <52353.24.23.212.71.1135721403.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Each decade becomes intensely unfashionable shortly after its passing. About twenty years later, it becomes a Golden Era for a new generation. As someone who was born in '69, I distinctly recall that it was common knowledge in the 80's that the 70's were the worst music, fashion and politics of all time. The idea that bell bottoms would ever become fashionable again was unthinkable to teenagers of the time, and yet, they did. TravisH On 12/27/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to > as "the dark age"? > > Rainer > > (whom a (musician) friend once introduced to some friends as "a guy who > can make everything sound so beatifully eighties") > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 00:10:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7F1E3BEE4; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04f301c60b43$25efba60$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:10:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04EE_01C60B08.7831A080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 422, in=185991, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:10:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04EE_01C60B08.7831A080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I integrated = part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could make some of = us loopers feel more connected and informed on our whereabouts, but I = discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely mind blowing. Check this out: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created using Google = Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, = and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, using = sattelite imagery. I could have zoomed in instead of out, but I had a = more difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping between = altitudes (probably because it was merging separate satteline feeds). = But you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet Earth, down = to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and everything. The exact = location of the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by = 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were to = copy this location into the Google Earth search box. More info on Google Earth... http://earth.google.com/ Kris ------=_NextPart_000_04EE_01C60B08.7831A080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    This doesn't have a lot to do with = looping, except=20 that I integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it = could make=20 some of us loopers feel more connected and informed on our whereabouts, = but I=20 discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely mind = blowing.
     
     
    It is a video (with loop music over = it) that I=20 created using Google Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house = in Boise,=20 Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, = using=20 sattelite imagery.  I could have zoomed in instead of out, but I = had a more=20 difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping between = altitudes=20 (probably because it was merging separate satteline feeds). But you'll = at least=20 get a feel of where I am on the planet Earth, down to the top of my = roof,=20 driveway, yard, and everything.   The exact location of the = center and=20 top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, = OR 43=20 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were to copy this location into the = Google=20 Earth search box.
     
    More info on Google = Earth...
     
    http://earth.google.com/
     
    Kris
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_04EE_01C60B08.7831A080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 00:13:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C9F83BEF6; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051227224507.75845.qmail@web51515.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051227224507.75845.qmail@web51515.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:10:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:13:24 +0000 (UTC) > Ryan Adams I'm guessing you mean Bryan Adams. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 00:24:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553453BEE8; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2809.69.59.207.172.1135729948.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <20051227224507.75845.qmail@web51515.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <20051227224507.75845.qmail@web51515.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:32:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: The Dark Age From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <6Pz5n.A.3qB.9sdsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:24:30 +0000 (UTC) > a small list of why the 80's might be considered the "dark age" > > Billy Squier > Ryan Adams Can't disagree with the rest of your list, but I think Ryan Adams is one of the reasons people will look back in 2015 at the "dark ages" of the 00's. Only to be return to coolness around 2025, as these things go. I think you meant BRYAN Adams. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 00:30:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 497183BEF0; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= In-Reply-To: <2809.69.59.207.172.1135729948.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <20051227224507.75845.qmail@web51515.mail.yahoo.com> <2809.69.59.207.172.1135729948.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A930BE5-C71B-4668-9E76-07513B5198E7@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:30:12 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:30:16 +0000 (UTC) >> Billy Squier ...had an amazing knack for writing songs that, when you heard them, you felt like you already knew them. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 00:58:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 677343BEF7; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:58:28 +0000 Message-Id: <122820050058.14816.43B1E33400048771000039E021979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:58:31 +0000 (UTC) > Each decade becomes intensely unfashionable shortly after its passing. > About twenty years later, it becomes a Golden Era for a new > generation. As someone who was born in '69, I distinctly recall that > it was common knowledge in the 80's that the 70's were the worst > music, fashion and politics of all time. The idea that bell bottoms > would ever become fashionable again was unthinkable to teenagers of > the time, and yet, they did. > > TravisH Here in Champaign, IL there is a park with a bunch of statues near a creek. They were made in the 70s and are sort of flat silhouette outlines of students standing or sitting by the creek, many of whom have bell-bottoms. When I was in college here in the 80s, we of course made fun of the. Now they are in style again. A while back I was playing a gig at an art gallery and there was this guy there wearing a peach-colored polyester leisure suit. His friends were telling him how cool it was. I dunno. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 01:06:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B1EE3BEEA; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:06:23 +0000 Message-Id: <122820050106.29136.43B1E50F00014494000071D021979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:06:25 +0000 (UTC) > Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to > as "the dark age"? > > Rainer Because it was a decade when none of the synthesizers had knobs! Even though electronic dance music is not my main thing, I was OVERJOYED when it came along and made it cool to have knobs again. And all this amazing stuff like the Nord Modular, Rebirth, Reaktor, etc. Good riddance to the Yamaha DX7's one-slider user interface. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 01:37:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 214863BEDE; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=b8G6U7/wIYflRudIYqa/ang6PckylTVgK0AAE2V1AyaU4e9mEX+Dm8GsUWSxeLbXTYqm5HA+YovoSSDHia6vsRscAGkxGWKMYplV8oI+vbuJonWcDqYggR1CjoV32838glPW9ktDnyAcuFVSVQB+M+sVGBGfLz9u2P/KgAoyFLg= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730512271737m6113e735ofb3ee210005b70ce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:37:17 -0500 From: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dark Age In-Reply-To: <122820050106.29136.43B1E50F00014494000071D021979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13444_7123509.1135733837848" References: <122820050106.29136.43B1E50F00014494000071D021979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8ICmrD.A.-ZD.PxesDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:37:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13444_7123509.1135733837848 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline My Akai AX80 with all of it's membrane buttons is sooo ugly and sooo 80's, and yet I would never part with it. Maybe I can fashion some parachute pants on it... Clint Allen On 12/27/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > > > > Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred t= o > > as "the dark age"? > > > > Rainer > > Because it was a decade when none of the synthesizers had knobs! Even > though electronic dance music is not my main thing, I was OVERJOYED > when it came along and made it cool to have knobs again. And all > this amazing stuff like the Nord Modular, Rebirth, Reaktor, etc. > > Good riddance to the Yamaha DX7's one-slider user interface. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > > ------=_Part_13444_7123509.1135733837848 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline My Akai AX80 with all of it's membrane buttons is sooo ugly and sooo 80's, = and
    yet I would never part with it. Maybe I can fashion some parachute pants on= it...

    Clint Allen

    On 12/27/05, mwsmart@insi= ghtbb.com <mwsmart@insi= ghtbb.com > wrote:



    > Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties ar= e often referred to
    > as "the dark age"?
    >
    >   &nbs= p;   Rainer

    Because it was a decade when none of the synth= esizers had knobs! Even
    though electronic dance music is not my main thi= ng, I was OVERJOYED
    when it came along and made it cool to have knobs ag= ain. And all
    this amazing stuff like the Nord Modular, Rebirth, Reaktor, etc.
    Good riddance to the Yamaha DX7's one-slider user interface.

    Mark S= mart
    http://www.marksmart.net


    ------=_Part_13444_7123509.1135733837848-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 02:28:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25CD93BED3; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=oDEnChXnUWQ/hRFk8+wSgc0QcJ9w5uznrK3RBbevIzSnBkK7vyw0enR5EHxzFsxd; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051232823419310@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: against noise Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:34:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f817daa08ca8f8b2a336f7dfba36fa9f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:28:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well done, Kris. Wishing You A Speedy Recovery, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/26/2005 9:07:01 PM Subject: Re: against noise Fanatical, fascists. Someone needs to build a counter-page called "People with Brains Against Idiots Who Can't Take Responsibility For Their Own Actions (would that be IWCTRFTOA?) :) This passage is particularly revealing: "Women, I ask you to PLEASE look in your son or daughters rooms and really take alook at the music and movies they are exposing themselves to. My husband and I are debating storngly about sending our son to seek some professional help. Right now I am very upset and do not know what to do. I do not want my son to become a pervert. I do not know how he got interested in this stuff at all. And I thought Marylin Manson was the sickest thing around. I am just sick to my stomache that things like this exist." I think she is the one who should seek professional help. Apparently, she can't spell either. What the paragraph should say is: "Women, please sit down with your husbands and assess how well you have raised your children to be decent human beings, with a healthy sense of values and respect for other human beings...if you've done your job and have spent any amount of quality time with your children rather than letting the media raise them, then you won't have to worry about what type of music they listen to...they will make the right decisions and take decent paths of action." K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: against noise > Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, or the downfall of > civilization, or something like that: > > http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/ > > My suggestion: Do whatever you can to get on her list. Great PR! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    Well done, Kris.
    Wishing You A Speedy Recovery,
    Tim
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: 12/26/2005 9:07:01 PM
    Subject: Re: against noise

    Fanatical, fascists. Someone needs to build a counter-page called "People with Brains Against Idiots Who Can't Take Responsibility For Their Own Actions (would that be IWCTRFTOA?)  :)
     
    This passage is particularly revealing:

    "Women, I ask you to PLEASE look in your son or daughters rooms and really take alook at the music and movies they are exposing themselves to. My husband and I are debating storngly about sending our son to seek some professional help. Right now I am very upset and do not know what to do. I do not want my son to become a pervert. I do not know how he got interested in this stuff at all. And I thought Marylin Manson was the sickest thing around. I am just sick to my stomache that things like this exist."

    I think she is the one who should seek professional help. Apparently, she can't spell either. What the paragraph should say is: "Women, please sit down with your husbands and assess how well you have raised your children to be decent human beings, with a healthy sense of values and respect for other human beings...if you've done your job and have spent any amount of quality time with your children rather than letting the media raise them, then you won't have to worry about what type of music they listen to...they will make the right decisions and take decent paths of action."
     
    K-
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Kim Flint" <kflint@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 6:47 PM
    Subject: against noise

    > Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, or the downfall of
    > civilization, or something like that:
    >
    >     http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/
    >
    > My suggestion: Do whatever you can to get on her list. Great PR!
    >
    > kim
    >
    >
    > ______________________________________________________________________
    > Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
    >     kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
    >
    >
    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 02:49:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BE7B3BEDB; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Brian Hamlin" To: Subject: RE: against noise Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:48:58 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c60b59$41138130$0300a8c0@ponkscaphxsc1o> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C60B59.41138130" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <410-220051232823419310@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2005 02:50:31.0622 (UTC) FILETIME=[77C7DE60:01C60B59] Resent-Message-ID: <1hNg3B.A.A9E.A1fsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:49:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C60B59.41138130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is no laughing matter, I am a responsible parent of two children. I am constantly shocked by the sickening stream of TRIADIC =93music=94 = that their peers are exposing them to. Is it possible that my 12 y.old can be cured of her addiction to reality TV karaoke singers & soap stars covering old hits let alone the cancer that is =93rap=94? I have bought = her a ring modulator for her Daisy Rock guitar lest she may discover the righteous path. My only hope is for my younger daughter (7) who asks me to put on music that is =93long and shouty=94 and used to shake her ass = to Neu when she was still in nappies. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: 28 December 2005 02:34 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: against noise =20 Well done, Kris. Wishing You A Speedy Recovery, Tim =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/26/2005 9:07:01 PM=20 Subject: Re: against noise =20 Fanatical, fascists. Someone needs to build a counter-page called "People with Brains Against Idiots Who Can't Take Responsibility For Their Own Actions (would that be IWCTRFTOA?) :) =20 This passage is particularly revealing: "Women, I ask you to PLEASE look in your son or daughters rooms and really take alook at the music and movies they are exposing themselves to. My husband and I are debating storngly about sending our son to seek some professional help. Right now I am very upset and do not know what to do. I do not want my son to become a pervert. I do not know how he got interested in this stuff at all. And I thought Marylin Manson was the sickest thing around. I am just sick to my stomache that things like this exist." I think she is the one who should seek professional help. Apparently, she can't spell either. What the paragraph should say is: "Women, please sit down with your husbands and assess how well you have raised your children to be decent human beings, with a healthy sense of values and respect for other human beings...if you've done your job and have spent any amount of quality time with your children rather than letting the media raise them, then you won't have to worry about what type of music they listen to...they will make the right decisions and take decent paths of action." =20 K- =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Kim Flint" < kflint@loopers-delight.com> To: < Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: against noise =20 > Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, or the downfall of=20 > civilization, or something like that: >=20 > http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/ >=20 > My suggestion: Do whatever you can to get on her list. Great PR! >=20 > kim >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com=20 >=20 >=20 _____ =20 I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 4838 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C60B59.41138130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    This is no laughing matter, I am a responsible parent of two children. I am constantly shocked by = the sickening stream of TRIADIC “music” that their peers are = exposing them to. Is it possible that my 12 y.old can = be cured of her addiction to reality TV karaoke singers & soap stars covering = old hits let alone the cancer that is “rap”? I have bought her a = ring modulator for her Daisy Rock guitar lest she may discover the righteous = path. My only hope is for my younger daughter (7) who asks me to put on music = that is “long and shouty” and used to shake her ass = to Neu when she was still in = nappies.

     

    -----Original = Message-----
    From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]
    Sent: 28 December 2005 = 02:34
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: against = noise

     

    Well done, = Kris.

    Wishing You A = Speedy Recovery,

    Tim

     

     

    ----- Original Message = -----

    From: Kris Hartung =

    Sent: 12/26/2005 9:07:01 PM

    Subject: Re: against noise

     

    Fanatical, fascists. = Someone needs to build a counter-page called "People with Brains Against Idiots = Who Can't Take Responsibility For Their Own Actions (would that be IWCTRFTOA?)  :)

     

    This passage is = particularly revealing:

    "Women, I ask you to PLEASE look in your = son or daughters rooms and really take alook at the music and movies they are = exposing themselves to. My husband and I are debating storngly about sending our = son to seek some professional help. Right now I am very upset and do not know = what to do. I do not want my son to become a pervert. I do not know how he got interested in this stuff at all. And I thought Marylin Manson was the = sickest thing around. I am just sick to my stomache that things like this = exist."

    I think she is the one who = should seek professional help. Apparently, she can't spell either. What = the paragraph should say is: "Women, please sit down with your husbands = and assess how well you have raised your children to be decent human beings, = with a healthy sense of values and respect for other human beings...if you've = done your job and have spent any amount of quality time with your children = rather than letting the media raise them, then you won't have to worry about = what type of music they listen to...they will make the right decisions and take decent paths of action."

     

    K-

     

     

    ----- Original Message = -----

    From: "Kim Flint" = <kflint@loopers-delight.com<= /span>>

    Sent: Monday, December 26, = 2005 6:47 PM

    Subject: against = noise

     

    > Apparently some of you = are bringing on the apocalypse, or the downfall of
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    > My suggestion: Do whatever you can to get on her list. Great = PR!
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    ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C60B59.41138130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 03:52:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1A883BED3; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: yet more cello looping gig spam Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:50:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <2C5F98C6-CD9A-40B8-BAB5-DA54ACA5DBCD@zoekeating.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Zoe, 17th I may be able to swing by when you're in Chi-town! ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: yet more cello looping gig spam > > > Hi Loopers, > > Happy Boxing Day! > > My RPTR and I are very excited to announce the following performance > dates. I'll be supporting the talented (and beautiful!) Imogen Heap > and accompanying her during her set: > > Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) > Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo > Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club > Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts > Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre > Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern > Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag > Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues > Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre > Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall > Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's > Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's > Feb 7th, London, UK: The Scala > > Here's more about Imogen in case you're not familiar with her work: > > Heap Of Shows > Updated 00:21 PST Mon, Dec 26 2005 > http://www.pollstar.com/news/viewnews.pl?NewsID=6546 > With her long-awaited sophomore album, Speak For Yourself, finally > hitting stores, Imogen Heap will cross the pond to pay her American > fans a visit. > After a "Late Night With David Letterman" appearance January 10, > she'll play New York City's Avalon and make her way across the > country throughout the month. > Nearly a dozen cities are on the itinerary, with Rasputina cellist > Zoë Keating opening on all dates. The tour wraps at Neumo's in > Seattle January 29. > Imogen Heap - who also comprises half of Frou Frou with Madonna > producer Guy Sigsworth - visited the U.S. this past fall on the Hotel > Cafe Tour with Butch Walker and the Cary Brothers. Other than that, > she hadn't been on American shores since a 1999 run with Rufus > Wainwright. > Her debut album, I Megaphone, was released in 1998. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 04:52:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D7AC3BEDA; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 04:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05a701c60b6a$769d7f70$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: John Daniel Winters Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:52:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 422, in=186052, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 04:52:15 +0000 (UTC) I found this post (below) while wandering around on Google groups. Anyone seen this guy live? Kris Newsgroups: alt.music.makers.electronic From: "chasw" - Find messages by this author Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:36:10 -0800 Local: Sat, Nov 26 2005 7:36 am Subject: Re: Real time looping of guitar, keyboard, and hand drums. Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse 7v7: Good question. John Daniel Winters is perhaps the current master of real time looping of guitar, keyboard and percussion. His live shows are an amazing display of the capability you are seeking. Check his web site www.johnwinters.biz for a brief explanation of the equipment he uses, listen to some samples of his live performances, then pose your remaining questions to him at j...@johnwinters.biz. - CW From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 04:58:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21D823BEDC; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 04:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Ramble Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:58:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <000c01c60b3e$8a39cec0$0402a8c0@Lightning> Thread-Index: AcYLPitc6IOzbevBTJu6D9ajrwNtqQAK90KA Message-Id: <20051228045658.BZNZ17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 04:58:58 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann > > Nice! > Of course, as soon as the melody started, I'm all, "Sleigh > bells ring, are you listening . . ." Happy holidays! Gary To which Warren Sirota replied, Yeah, I guess I can see that. Funny. Thanks for listening. Best wishes, Warren Sirota --->Thanks for sharing! I will try playing this sometime--Obviously one can make up their own melody--I have been doing lots of Xmas tunes lately (not looping much these days tho). I have looped Claude Voit's Ipoulkapek a few times--it's on one of the CT collections as well as "See What", his great solo album-- Once again, best of holiday wishes to all here. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 05:03:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09E4A3BEE9; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 05:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,299,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="1650324997:sNHT506360368" In-Reply-To: <05a701c60b6a$769d7f70$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <05a701c60b6a$769d7f70$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B4ACB1E-4C3A-4B12-9987-358BB85AB07B@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Derek Bailey Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:02:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <47L9F.A.hf.NyhsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 05:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Derek Bailey has died. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:52 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > I found this post (below) while wandering around on Google groups. > Anyone > seen this guy live? > > Kris > > > Newsgroups: alt.music.makers.electronic > From: "chasw" - Find messages by this author > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:36:10 -0800 > Local: Sat, Nov 26 2005 7:36 am > Subject: Re: Real time looping of guitar, keyboard, and hand drums. > Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show > original | > Report Abuse > > 7v7: Good question. John Daniel Winters is perhaps the current > master of > real time looping of guitar, keyboard and percussion. His live > shows are > an amazing display of the capability you are seeking. Check his > web site > www.johnwinters.biz for a brief explanation of the equipment he > uses, listen > to some samples of his live performances, then pose your remaining > questions > to him at j...@johnwinters.biz. - CW > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 05:14:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F306E3BECD; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 05:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05b601c60b6d$a09b7040$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <05a701c60b6a$769d7f70$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1B4ACB1E-4C3A-4B12-9987-358BB85AB07B@charter.net> Subject: Re: Derek Bailey Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:14:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 87, in=52222, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 05:14:52 +0000 (UTC) A great loss. At one point in time, I thought Tribal Tech had the most abstract version of "Stella by Starlight"...until I heard Derek's: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000063BUW001004/0/103-5591612-5201424 Man, I must buy more of this material. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: Derek Bailey > Derek Bailey has died. > > ----- > Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net > Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ > > > On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:52 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > > I found this post (below) while wandering around on Google groups. > > Anyone > > seen this guy live? > > > > Kris > > > > > > Newsgroups: alt.music.makers.electronic > > From: "chasw" - Find messages by this author > > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:36:10 -0800 > > Local: Sat, Nov 26 2005 7:36 am > > Subject: Re: Real time looping of guitar, keyboard, and hand drums. > > Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show > > original | > > Report Abuse > > > > 7v7: Good question. John Daniel Winters is perhaps the current > > master of > > real time looping of guitar, keyboard and percussion. His live > > shows are > > an amazing display of the capability you are seeking. Check his > > web site > > www.johnwinters.biz for a brief explanation of the equipment he > > uses, listen > > to some samples of his live performances, then pose your remaining > > questions > > to him at j...@johnwinters.biz. - CW > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 05:53:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D5413BEF1; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 05:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XRgfah0jft3cmHft68BW1Db/5o1sUAMk3XofI96lRArqeD/atJBUqR06susXGuEg6zKsZ5gvg5SKcBNto3annc2NZ2tprEP+SI+g2y/c3QAeoFCLM+zIKO7Kqoe7qgyIGGfIDhGYAff4tpK5HxR7BUaSRQRiD1juqaIPRdLoujY= ; Message-ID: <20051228055353.70149.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:53:53 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <04f301c60b43$25efba60$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1286296836-1135749233=:69613" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 05:53:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-1286296836-1135749233=:69613 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hehe cool, kinda creepy & cosmic,what are those plants back by the fence?busted... good heads up on the google earth site. thats guitar generated?pretty far out... rock on, dan-knee Kris Hartung wrote: This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could make some of us loopers feel more connected and informed on our whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely mind blowing. Check this out: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created using Google Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, using sattelite imagery. I could have zoomed in instead of out, but I had a more difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping between altitudes (probably because it was merging separate satteline feeds). But you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet Earth, down to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and everything. The exact location of the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were to copy this location into the Google Earth search box. More info on Google Earth... http://earth.google.com/ Kris --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-1286296836-1135749233=:69613 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    hehe cool,
         kinda creepy & cosmic,what are those plants back by the fence?busted...
    good heads up on the google earth site.
    thats guitar generated?pretty far out...
    rock on,
                  dan-knee

    Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could make some of us loopers feel more connected and informed on our whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely mind blowing.
     
     
    It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created using Google Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, using sattelite imagery.  I could have zoomed in instead of out, but I had a more difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping between altitudes (probably because it was merging separate satteline feeds). But you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet Earth, down to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and everything.   The exact location of the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were to copy this location into the Google Earth search box.
     
    More info on Google Earth...
     
     
    Kris
     
     

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    Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-1286296836-1135749233=:69613-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 06:00:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1B5A3BEF6; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bJa8Rol3f8WfHoXhQWSWgCYeDyLNwJAIjlSxeM3S/MNTl/zdmS8JlKXYEmFlbKzy4ZxfejSGqDTnAEr7Xtvgm+jfA6X6TkD5T0sJpKC5q6zxB84Q9X60TkIi6n/hMHSDDtfJnFnsVwCNzuY3zAPKSIcMiNVILPfn0WOpaAsCR/w= ; Message-ID: <20051228060040.71199.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:00:40 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: The Dark Age To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8A930BE5-C71B-4668-9E76-07513B5198E7@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-916819755-1135749640=:69887" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:00:41 +0000 (UTC) --0-916819755-1135749640=:69887 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit that noise at the begining of "everybody wants you".sounds like one of those plastic wrap guns you wrap stack's of stuff on palletts.sounded looped even, rock on, danny dark age Kelly Coyle wrote: >> Billy Squier ...had an amazing knack for writing songs that, when you heard them, you felt like you already knew them. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-916819755-1135749640=:69887 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    that noise at the begining of "everybody wants you".sounds like one of those plastic wrap guns you wrap stack's of stuff on palletts.sounded looped even,
    rock on,
                 danny dark age


    Kelly Coyle <kellycoyle@charter.net> wrote:

    >> Billy Squier
    ...had an amazing knack for writing songs that, when you heard them,
    you felt like you already knew them.







    -----
    Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net
    Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/


    Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-916819755-1135749640=:69887-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 06:22:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 428BC3BEFE; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruce tovsky Subject: [ANN] tovsky california series Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:22:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Hello all The final update of the year, extending into the next... I am very excited about these CA performances, each a unique situation with a brilliant collaborator. I hope those of you in the area can attend. FALL/WINTER 2005 DECEMBER \ SAN FRANCISCO 12/28 @ The Hemlock Tavern 9pm Part of the "Brink" series presented by Other Minds and curated by Bernard Kyle. Solo and duo improvisations with Matt Davignon. Matt's website: http://www.ribosomemusic.com/ Matt Davignon is an experimental musician living in Oakland, California. Since 1993, he has developed his own unique style of music, which focuses largely on textures, arrhythmic patterns and musical imperfections. Currently, he works almost exclusively with a drum machine. Instead of using it as a rhythm device, he plays the pads manually while processing the sounds through an array of effects devices and samplers, improvising music made of organic-sounding textures, hums, gurgles and crackles. 12/29 @ The Luggage Store Gallery 9pm Duo improvisations with Dominic Cramp. Dominic's website: http://www.snurp.net Dominic Cramp is a founding member of the outwardly thinking power trio Modular Set and co-founder of the electronic music label Gigante Sound. Cramp is currently producing and engineering for Borful Tang. He has an ongoing collaboration with visual/sound artist Bruce Tovsky. He has his fingers in various depths of a variety of pies around the San Francisco Bay Area. 12/30 @ 21 Grand 9pm Improvisations with Kim Cascone. Kim's website: http://www.anechoicmedia.com/ Kim Cascone has been involved with electronic music for more than 20 years since his studies at Berklee College of Music and at the New School (with Dana McCurdy) during the 1970s. In the 1980s Cascone worked with David Lynch as Assistant Music Editor on both Twin Peaks and Wild at Heart. He left the film industry in 1991 to concentrate on Silent Records, a label that he founded in 1986, transforming it into the U.S.'s premier electronic music label. He sold Silent Records in 1996, at the height of its success, in order to pursue a career as a sound designer. He has worked for Thomas Dolby's company Headspace as a sound designer and composer and for Staccato Systems where he oversaw the design of new sounds for games using algorithmic synthesis. Since 1980, Kim has released more than 15 albums of electronic music and has collaborated with Keith Rowe, Peter Rehberg, Oval, Scanner, Carsten Nicolai, Doug Aitken, and David Toop among others. He has performed at festivals in North America and Europe (Lovebytes, Micro 2 Mutek, Transmissions, Observatori) and has lectured on Post-Digital Music internationally. His articles have appeared in Computer Music Journal (MIT Press), Artbyte, Mediamatic and Parachute. DECEMBER \ LA 1/7 @ Il Corral ?pm Improvisations with David Kendall David's website: http://davidkendall.net/ David Kendall began by experimenting with multitrack recordings of degraded sound sources in the early nineties. David Kendall's focus soon shifted to feedback, as an audio phenomenon and as a general principal of recursion in the sound world: first explored in plucked string instruments, then in found objects, found electronics, found computers, and (in the present day) very expensive "top-of-the-line" computers with tons of RAM. Improvisation has always played a central role in the practice of David Kendall, and most of his performances have been in collaboration with other performers. Some of these projects are called, or were called, the invisible Music Production Ensemble, Improvisatyrs, Honeycomb Wheels, and the Kentucky Knobs. Collaborators with David Kendall include Jeremy Drake, Jessica Catron, Sandor Finta, Bob Bellerue, Bryan Eubanks, David Rothbaum, Rachel Thompson and Jonathan Zorn. David Kendall earned his MFA from the California Institute of the Arts. ||||| || || |||| || | ||||| || ||| ||| | | ||||| | ||| | |||| || DIRECTIONS ||||| || || |||| || | ||||| || ||| ||| | | ||||| | ||| | |||| || SAN FRANCISCO The Hemlock Tavern 1131 Polk Street, between Post & Sutter. www.hemlocktavern.com The Luggage Store Gallery 1007 Market Street near 6th in downtown San Francisco. 415.255.5971 www.luggagestoregallery.org 21 Grand 416 25th St. Oakland, CA 94612 510.444.7263 www.21grand.org LOS ANGELES Il Corral 662 N. Heliotrope Dr. (just south of Melrose) Los Angeles, CA 90004 bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.." Philip K. Dick bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.." Philip K. Dick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 07:23:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 884C13BEE9; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lK125OL/70AU30MCs6tm/t6ewUtc9QKF1emXHteK39a2sRfk4jIjSilpX2FYWYZviE3zIjCAQM6otxKgTdgF4kwe+oJwjg5VcfEjNyWMEn95RXbC10i04832gRxbsjmXd/p5M6xMuG3wiDJCER+ho6zl0/O2G8E2you776VA9Og= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:23:02 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Derek Bailey In-Reply-To: <1B4ACB1E-4C3A-4B12-9987-358BB85AB07B@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <05a701c60b6a$769d7f70$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1B4ACB1E-4C3A-4B12-9987-358BB85AB07B@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Do you have a source on this? I'm unable to find any confirmation. TravisH On 12/27/05, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Derek Bailey has died. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 07:43:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13A823BEE4; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05ec01c60b82$53b54340$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <05a701c60b6a$769d7f70$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1B4ACB1E-4C3A-4B12-9987-358BB85AB07B@charter.net> Subject: Re: Derek Bailey Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:42:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 88, in=52241, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:43:05 +0000 (UTC) > Do you have a source on this? I'm unable to find any confirmation. > TravisH Oddly enough, it was very difficult to find these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bailey http://justforaday.blogspot.com/ http://kronoson.station185.com/kronosonic/forum/index.php?showtopic=3618&hl= http://groups.google.com/group/de.alt.music.jazz/browse_thread/thread/e27c761c7f3afb06/467d4d8a585ab9d3?lnk=st&q=%22Derek+Bailey%22&rnum=9&hl=en#467d4d8a585ab9d3 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.experimental/browse_thread/thread/bbbb4c3b72a282a/6ae69f8535ce70dd?lnk=st&q=%22Derek+Bailey%22&rnum=13&hl=en#6ae69f8535ce70dd http://www.jazzcornertalk.com/speakeasy/showthread.php?p=442189 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:23 AM Subject: Re: Derek Bailey Do you have a source on this? I'm unable to find any confirmation. TravisH On 12/27/05, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Derek Bailey has died. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 07:49:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 004753BEE9; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P0TKppOhfIPpewBUcHK/x9PgxqO4rM5TnpPw0vwbCMcECRMeBo8d++esQyJj3aCzbOUDo3fG03MKNEVOHxaUeQN5aNW4+xTmbErVB533wGdB30W/TsKJbo7OortyjHKkeJG303Fue46PpekBs9+uGq1HD2tX+1NRnoCYskpurE4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:49:30 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Derek Bailey In-Reply-To: <05ec01c60b82$53b54340$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <05a701c60b6a$769d7f70$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1B4ACB1E-4C3A-4B12-9987-358BB85AB07B@charter.net> <05ec01c60b82$53b54340$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:49:32 +0000 (UTC) What I'm trying to find is an "official" source, i.e. not a blog.=20 Everything I'm seeing seems to be tied to some guy in Barcelona's report that Bailey passed away on December 25th. So far it looks to me like everyone "heard that he died", but there's been no official report yet. TravisH On 12/27/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Do you have a source on this? I'm unable to find any confirmation. > > > TravisH > > > Oddly enough, it was very difficult to find these: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bailey > > http://justforaday.blogspot.com/ > > http://kronoson.station185.com/kronosonic/forum/index.php?showtopic=3D361= 8&hl=3D > > http://groups.google.com/group/de.alt.music.jazz/browse_thread/thread/e27= c761c7f3afb06/467d4d8a585ab9d3?lnk=3Dst&q=3D%22Derek+Bailey%22&rnum=3D9&hl= =3Den#467d4d8a585ab9d3 > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.experimental/browse_thread/threa= d/bbbb4c3b72a282a/6ae69f8535ce70dd?lnk=3Dst&q=3D%22Derek+Bailey%22&rnum=3D1= 3&hl=3Den#6ae69f8535ce70dd > > http://www.jazzcornertalk.com/speakeasy/showthread.php?p=3D442189 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:23 AM > Subject: Re: Derek Bailey > > > Do you have a source on this? I'm unable to find any confirmation. > > TravisH > > > On 12/27/05, Kelly Coyle wrote: > > Derek Bailey has died. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 08:12:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A349E3BEE4; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <060b01c60b86$6762cfd0$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <05a701c60b6a$769d7f70$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1B4ACB1E-4C3A-4B12-9987-358BB85AB07B@charter.net> <05ec01c60b82$53b54340$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Derek Bailey Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:12:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 425, in=201774, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:12:19 +0000 (UTC) The encyclopodia is your best source at this point, then, which isn't a blog. I'll keep my eyes open for something in an official news source. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: Re: Derek Bailey What I'm trying to find is an "official" source, i.e. not a blog. Everything I'm seeing seems to be tied to some guy in Barcelona's report that Bailey passed away on December 25th. So far it looks to me like everyone "heard that he died", but there's been no official report yet. TravisH On 12/27/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Do you have a source on this? I'm unable to find any confirmation. > > > TravisH > > > Oddly enough, it was very difficult to find these: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bailey > > http://justforaday.blogspot.com/ > > http://kronoson.station185.com/kronosonic/forum/index.php?showtopic=3618&hl= > > http://groups.google.com/group/de.alt.music.jazz/browse_thread/thread/e27c761c7f3afb06/467d4d8a585ab9d3?lnk=st&q=%22Derek+Bailey%22&rnum=9&hl=en#467d4d8a585ab9d3 > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.experimental/browse_thread/thread/bbbb4c3b72a282a/6ae69f8535ce70dd?lnk=st&q=%22Derek+Bailey%22&rnum=13&hl=en#6ae69f8535ce70dd > > http://www.jazzcornertalk.com/speakeasy/showthread.php?p=442189 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:23 AM > Subject: Re: Derek Bailey > > > Do you have a source on this? I'm unable to find any confirmation. > > TravisH > > > On 12/27/05, Kelly Coyle wrote: > > Derek Bailey has died. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 08:34:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0AA33BED5; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1135758849.25045.250648749@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: dzFjH4m717BSH44CYiSe0/f7j1dJXw+dstSZC+uf+5L4 1135758849 From: "Stillano Manifesto the Magnanimous" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.5 (F2.73; T1.15; A1.64; B3.05; Q3.03) Subject: Feedback Systems Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:34:09 +0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi all Interested in creating a feedback system through the use of a surface transducer. Anyone know where I can get one rated at about 50W? Regards, Jase -- Stillano Briggs bboybriggs@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 08:36:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74F253BED2; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <061301c60b89$d9d30c30$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <05a701c60b6a$769d7f70$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1B4ACB1E-4C3A-4B12-9987-358BB85AB07B@charter.net> <05ec01c60b82$53b54340$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <060b01c60b86$6762cfd0$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Derek Bailey Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:36:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 422, in=186075, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:36:54 +0000 (UTC) It took some doing, but I used a search engine on a Barcellona news website, which led me to this article in French: http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3246,36-724902@51-725095,0.html I used an online translator to get the text below: Bailey died out in London at the 75 years age, in the first hours of December 25." Thus Martin Davidson, his principal producer, announced by e-mail the death of the guitarist, who was reached of a neuro-degenerative disease. The director of the Emanem label, which published fifteen discs of his/her English friend, thus confirmed information which circulated via forums Internet devoted to the jazz. The amateurs cry "a father of the impromptu music" which, for thirty-five years, had opened a radical way, at the borders of the jazz and experimental music. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:12 AM Subject: Re: Derek Bailey > The encyclopodia is your best source at this point, then, which isn't a > blog. I'll keep my eyes open for something in an official news source. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: Derek Bailey > > > What I'm trying to find is an "official" source, i.e. not a blog. > Everything I'm seeing seems to be tied to some guy in Barcelona's > report that Bailey passed away on December 25th. So far it looks to > me like everyone "heard that he died", but there's been no official > report yet. > > TravisH > > On 12/27/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Do you have a source on this? I'm unable to find any confirmation. > > > > > TravisH > > > > > > Oddly enough, it was very difficult to find these: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bailey > > > > http://justforaday.blogspot.com/ > > > > > http://kronoson.station185.com/kronosonic/forum/index.php?showtopic=3618&hl= > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/de.alt.music.jazz/browse_thread/thread/e27c761c7f3afb06/467d4d8a585ab9d3?lnk=st&q=%22Derek+Bailey%22&rnum=9&hl=en#467d4d8a585ab9d3 > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.experimental/browse_thread/thread/bbbb4c3b72a282a/6ae69f8535ce70dd?lnk=st&q=%22Derek+Bailey%22&rnum=13&hl=en#6ae69f8535ce70dd > > > > http://www.jazzcornertalk.com/speakeasy/showthread.php?p=442189 > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Travis Hartnett" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:23 AM > > Subject: Re: Derek Bailey > > > > > > Do you have a source on this? I'm unable to find any confirmation. > > > > TravisH > > > > > > On 12/27/05, Kelly Coyle wrote: > > > Derek Bailey has died. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 09:03:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E758A3BED9; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bd01c60b8d$942d5150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Climate Changes Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:03:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:03:30 +0000 (UTC) This is so off topic as to defy rational justification except that it affects many of the live loopers in Western Europe and the British Isles: I was talking with Luis Angulo (who is here visiting his family in San Diego from Northern Europe) and he told me that they had 3 solid weeks without seeing the sunshine in Radolfzell (by the Boden Zee). I had also heard from Andy Butler mentioning that England was having a particularly severe winter this year. Anyway, my wife found this fascinating flash demonstration of why global warming is having the effect of much colder winters for Western Europe and the British Isles. http://www.guardian.co.uk/flash/gulf_stream_climate.swf The Gulf Stream coming up from the equator actually raises the air temperature of those regions by an astonishing 18 degrees Farhenheit and 10 degrees Celsius. Researchers have discovered that the circulation of the currents have slowed a dismaying 30% over the last 12 years due to global warming trends. Maybe this can lead to a discussion of how weather effects our creativity. I've often wondered if Per Boysen, as an example, is more or less creative/prolific when there is very little sun in the winter or when there is a lot of sun in the summer. I know I write much, much more in the winter than in the summer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 09:28:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D9BF3BEDA; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018701c60b91$097e1860$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: the Dark Age Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:28:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Emile wrote: "Some of us aging hippies were hoping the decade would signal a rebound from some unsatisfying (to us, at least) musical tendencies (disco, fusion, etc,) of the 70's. We were disappointed-:)" Respectfully, Emile, I need to agree to disagree with you: I am an aging hippy and I personally thought that the early 80's gave us some of the most innovative pop music since the late 60's. For me, the whole DIY ethic of new wave music (from the original impetus of punk in the late 70's) was wonderful , I believe and at least in my home town, there were far more bands playing all original creative music in night clubs that did not hire cover bands than any time in the next 25 years. Add to that the early 80's revolution in sampling that highly effected everything from motion picture soundtracks to pop group recordings............. The rise of MIDI which led to composers being able to flesh out full creative visions without necessarily having to rely on bands or orchestras to play them (which completely changed and made more egalitarian, the musical world because it changed the fact that you either had to be rich or very famous to flesh out ideas if they were grandiose ---think orchestral). The 80's also saw the rise of really affordable equipment and digital processing so that more and more people could make music without having to have a lot of money. The next things I say are Amero-centric so I'll apologize for that but it is all I can speak about because I was nowhere else in the world during the early 80's: The fact that Disco was forced to change to stay economically viable meant that tons of new rhythms and timbres entered music. particularly from the Caribbean.........Rap and Hip Hop also added incredible new rhythmic sophistication to popular music........ ...........indeed, the whole world fusion (or world beat, a term that I hate) in popular music occurred in the first few years of that decade as well...............which meant that (in my country) African, Middleeastern, Aisian and Caribbean musicians began to perform in large numbers all over the western world whereas before that there was very, very little of this influence in popular music, statistically speaking. Suddenly, in popular music (everything from motion picture soundtracks to commercials to pop groups), there was an incredible explosion of new rhythms (with world music and rap/hip hop roots) and new timbres (sampling). In fact, there probably has never been a decade in American music history where there was such an explosion of rhythm and rhythmic variety. I honestly think of the early 80's with great fondness and consider it to be one of the more fertile early decades in American and British popular music. At least this aging hippy thinks so (hell, I don't feel aging in the slightest but I am over 50 years old which probably seems like aging to some of the younger members of our community). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 09:36:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F3803BEDD; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AAAAABHfsUOCFIUqFgsl Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051228081826.027f33b0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:36:01 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Dark Age In-Reply-To: <20051227231415.22CC03BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051227231415.22CC03BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5l9AL.A.Wq.kylsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:36:36 +0000 (UTC) >Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to >as "the dark age"? > > Rainer lots of possible reasons, to do with music going flat and straight i have theories:- 1) Style (and fashion) became more important than content (and music). ...and the music industry went with that in a big way 2) The sound at live music events took a drastic drop in quality (it really did, I was there). Partly because the pa equipment itself sounded worse (and still does). 3) any band going into a studio would find themselves presented with a drum machine as a replacement for their drummer. 4) It started to be considered that metronomic time keeping was correct, and that anything else was wrong. 5) in the studio, it became "a really good idea" to remove all the dynamics from the music using compressors. 6) somehow related to the dominance of the Disco in the latter half of the seventies. ...or at least, that's how it seemed in the UK. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 10:30:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8625B3BEDB; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <949A7E1E-07A9-43D9-B59A-7C1D726E3A2F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:30:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:30:30 +0000 (UTC) On 27 dec 2005, at 23.28, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often > referred to > as "the dark age"? a) Ridiculous clothes and haircuts ;-) b) Stiff music (see Mark Smart's post on "the DX7 syndrome") Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 10:55:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0559D3BED9; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a501c60b9c$a2aa20a0$61a2fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <20051227231415.22CC03BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051228081826.027f33b0@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Dark Age Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:41:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:55:19 +0000 (UTC) When interpreting it from a musical (not a technical) angle, how dark are these times, then? Stephen ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: a k butler To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:36 AM Subject: Re:Dark Age > > >Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to > >as "the dark age"? > > > > Rainer > > lots of possible reasons, > to do with music going flat and straight > > i have theories:- > > 1) Style (and fashion) became more important than content (and music). > ...and the music industry went with that in a big way > 2) The sound at live music events took a drastic drop in quality (it > really did, > I was there). Partly because the pa equipment itself sounded > worse (and still does). > 3) any band going into a studio would find themselves presented with a drum > machine as a replacement for their drummer. > 4) It started to be considered that metronomic time keeping was correct, > and that anything else was wrong. > 5) in the studio, it became "a really good idea" to remove all the > dynamics from the music using compressors. > 6) somehow related to the dominance of the Disco in the latter half > of the seventies. > > ...or at least, that's how it seemed in the UK. > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 11:04:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D96E03BED9; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:04:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Derek Bailey Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:03:58 +0100 Message-ID: <007e01c60b9e$67927e70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYLnRLPM+Yq85pfQ0eT5WAGPA4m1QAASu5Q In-Reply-To: <20051228105520.785373BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:03:01 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.87.65 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:04:11 +0000 (UTC) A three-hour tribute to the late Derek Bailey from WFMU is posted for download here: http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/17495 -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 12:08:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C7C53BED5; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AAAAAEEJskOCFIUqFgsl Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051228120433.02d70bd0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:07:34 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: The Dark Age In-Reply-To: <20051228105520.785373BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051228105520.785373BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8AhnWD.A._uF.kAosDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:08:04 +0000 (UTC) At 10:55 28/12/05, you wrote: >On 27 dec 2005, at 23.28, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >>Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often >>referred to >>as "the dark age"? > > >a) Ridiculous clothes and haircuts ;-) >b) Stiff music (see Mark Smart's post on "the DX7 syndrome") > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen ahh, Per sums it up so much better than I did :-) (though it was a good day when I was banned from wearing flares on stage) andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 12:26:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDA353BEE0; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:26:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051228120433.02d70bd0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20051228105520.785373BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051228120433.02d70bd0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:26:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:26:29 +0000 (UTC) On 28 dec 2005, at 13.07, a k butler wrote: > I was banned from wearing flares on stage On a tour in november-december 1979 I was "Peter Pan" (Gibson Les Paul and green tights on stage ;-)) - My first pre-taste of the Dark Age to come. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 12:40:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC58F3BEDF; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00bd01c60b8d$942d5150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00bd01c60b8d$942d5150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3296B492-F413-4FCF-BF8A-77A0D182761B@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Climate Changes Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:40:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0kfl6B.A.pNH.WfosDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:40:54 +0000 (UTC) On 28 dec 2005, at 10.03, loop.pool wrote: > I've often wondered if Per Boysen, as an example, is more or less > creative/prolific > when there is very little sun in the winter or when there is a lot > of sun in the summer. Periodically I've been able to watch the guy closely, but I was never able to detect any significant relation between those variables. He seems to be putting most of his creative energies into working out strategies that will allow him to be creative. These pseudo creative activities just go on and on in a subjective universe, lacking parameters for "climate", "weather" or "time". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 13:16:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D2863BED5; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:17:56 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Re:Dark Age In-reply-to: <00a501c60b9c$a2aa20a0$61a2fe91@inap> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <010601c60bb1$1df10710$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:16:35 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:42 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re:Dark Age > > > When interpreting it from a musical (not a technical) angle, > how dark are these times, then? > > Stephen (WARNING: Cynical, probably unjustified opinions to follow:) Not dark at all if you're 20 and have big boobs, or a posse with guns. :-< Porn and violence are the only mass markets left. Everything else is highly niche-ified. Maybe that's not such a bad thing. Truly, I don't know. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 15:10:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FA453BED3; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,304,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="1766351735:sNHT15952596" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <05a701c60b6a$769d7f70$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1B4ACB1E-4C3A-4B12-9987-358BB85AB07B@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Derek Bailey Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:10:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2vsKQB.A.bxF.wrqsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:10:40 +0000 (UTC) I heard about it from a friend who got a phone call from a friend. Classic, eh? Perhaps I was wrong to pass it along -- but, of the folks I know of, you guys would probably be the most interested. I will hope it isn't true. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Dec 28, 2005, at 1:23 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Do you have a source on this? I'm unable to find any confirmation. > > TravisH > > > On 12/27/05, Kelly Coyle wrote: >> Derek Bailey has died. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 15:14:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 046B93BEDB; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004001c60bc1$7aae6140$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: "Kris Hartung" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <061301c60b89$d9d30c30$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Derek Bailey Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:10:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:14:28 +0000 (UTC) I found this... http://www.nndb.com/people/023/000044888/ Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:36 AM Subject: Re: Derek Bailey > It took some doing, but I used a search engine on a Barcellona news > website, > which led me to this article in French: > http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3246,36-724902@51-725095,0.html > > I used an online translator to get the text below: > Bailey died out in London at the 75 years age, in the first hours of > December 25." Thus Martin Davidson, his principal producer, announced by > e-mail the death of the guitarist, who was reached of a neuro-degenerative > disease. The director of the Emanem label, which published fifteen discs > of > his/her English friend, thus confirmed information which circulated via > forums Internet devoted to the jazz. The amateurs cry "a father of the > impromptu music" which, for thirty-five years, had opened a radical way, > at > the borders of the jazz and experimental music. > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Hartung" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:12 AM > Subject: Re: Derek Bailey > > >> The encyclopodia is your best source at this point, then, which isn't a >> blog. I'll keep my eyes open for something in an official news source. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Travis Hartnett" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:49 AM >> Subject: Re: Derek Bailey >> >> >> What I'm trying to find is an "official" source, i.e. not a blog. >> Everything I'm seeing seems to be tied to some guy in Barcelona's >> report that Bailey passed away on December 25th. So far it looks to >> me like everyone "heard that he died", but there's been no official >> report yet. >> >> TravisH >> >> On 12/27/05, Kris Hartung wrote: >> > > Do you have a source on this? I'm unable to find any confirmation. >> > >> > > TravisH >> > >> > >> > Oddly enough, it was very difficult to find these: >> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bailey >> > >> > http://justforaday.blogspot.com/ >> > >> > >> > http://kronoson.station185.com/kronosonic/forum/index.php?showtopic=3618&hl= >> > >> > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/de.alt.music.jazz/browse_thread/thread/e27c761c7f3afb06/467d4d8a585ab9d3?lnk=st&q=%22Derek+Bailey%22&rnum=9&hl=en#467d4d8a585ab9d3 >> > >> > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.experimental/browse_thread/thread/bbbb4c3b72a282a/6ae69f8535ce70dd?lnk=st&q=%22Derek+Bailey%22&rnum=13&hl=en#6ae69f8535ce70dd >> > >> > http://www.jazzcornertalk.com/speakeasy/showthread.php?p=442189 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Travis Hartnett" >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:23 AM >> > Subject: Re: Derek Bailey >> > >> > >> > Do you have a source on this? I'm unable to find any confirmation. >> > >> > TravisH >> > >> > >> > On 12/27/05, Kelly Coyle wrote: >> > > Derek Bailey has died. >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 15:17:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA4833BEDB; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Vm0GX6gx5Zg72YOuqr6/9ihG+OD3nmwRvkwuJ3F+nOhKkpzKapJ0ie+nWiOka9btGFPMzkQMoT7uFa0xuPonIMg2CXeNG5mGeXVKZYggl31L9EAGB578N47O2AilX8I6GYL0hqzm8WWlAwA8zwzqCnBURQWcrLlPzt57nrb/3HQ= Message-ID: <64b81a780512280717j4fe9e198m3b0ce431d9cb217@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:17:05 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ramble PDF and MP3 now up. Plus, Looped Text In-Reply-To: <000d01c60b3e$8a7a3320$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051227231411.83004.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000d01c60b3e$8a7a3320$0402a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the extra effort, Warren. I'll be sure to take a look and give it a whirl after work this evening. Todd On 12/27/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > > thanks, danny. no video with the piece, just audio. > > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:14 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Ramble PDF and MP3 now up. Plus, Looped Text > > > hey cool piece that ramble, > very intresting vibe,like a puzzel,made me feel slueth-like(sherlock > holmes/hercule poirot).theres video with it?my player didnt play it. > thanks you, > danny. > > Warren Sirota wrote: > Hi All, > > I've just put up a PDF and MP3 of Ramble in the Bramble, at > http://www.warrensirota.com/Solostuff/. Now *everyone* > should be able to > listen and view, if they wish. > > BTW, I found that Lilypond was not capable of interpreting either the ETF= or > the MusicXML generated by Finale for this piece (not necessarily Lilypond= 's > fault!), and also that my version of Finale (2003) does not have a TIFF > export function. I produced the PDF by printing from Finale to a PDF prin= t > driver (always reliable). > > Also, I put up a link there to a Looped Text piece that I wrote some year= s > ago. I think it's one of the cooler things that I've ever done, and I'm s= ure > you guys will dig the concept. > > Happy listening and playing, > Warren Sirota > > > > > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, > whatever. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 15:24:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CBD83BEDD; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004801c60bc2$e10fae20$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <00bd01c60b8d$942d5150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: OT - Climate Changes Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:16:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:24:30 +0000 (UTC) > Maybe this can lead to a discussion of how weather effects our creativity. I find that I like to 'get creative' and play when it's sort of dreary - rainy, snowy, dark. But not so much when it's bright and sunny. Might be because I like to play dark and dreary things. ;) If it's sunny I want to be outside doing something fun, like fishing or walking or anything but be in my studio. I was watching some programs about last years tsunami and apparently the earthquake also caused the earth to wobble and spin faster. Not much, a few thousanths of a second, but it changed. Gotta wonder what that kind of major event does to weather, currents, etc. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:03 AM Subject: OT: Climate Changes > This is so off topic as to defy rational justification > except that it affects many of the live loopers > in Western Europe and the British Isles: > > I was talking with Luis Angulo (who is here visiting his family > in San Diego from Northern Europe) and he told me that > they had 3 solid weeks without seeing the sunshine in Radolfzell > (by the Boden Zee). I had also heard from Andy Butler mentioning > that England was having a particularly severe winter this year. > > Anyway, my wife found this fascinating flash demonstration of > why global warming is having the effect of much colder winters > for Western Europe and the British Isles. > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/flash/gulf_stream_climate.swf > > The Gulf Stream coming up from the equator actually raises the > air temperature of those regions by an astonishing 18 degrees Farhenheit > and 10 degrees Celsius. > > Researchers have discovered that the circulation of the currents have > slowed > a dismaying 30% over the last 12 years due to global warming trends. > > Maybe this can lead to a discussion of how weather effects our creativity. > > I've often wondered if Per Boysen, as an example, is more or less > creative/prolific > when there is very little sun in the winter or when there is a lot of sun > in the summer. > > I know I write much, much more in the winter than in the summer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 15:34:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2A553BED0; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TSbuMwC107xu/4iFit8/LwOolR/eE9vqhWAsNmFSRjNlCu46nD5mJFPxzS3RGYTnKeVu6pZ/iYlrERqSBaG+nV9DNADwOLYohA+TbEz6l4WLqMKTadazDFcjZKs0DtHy905J/tcoLxbBDLnAdyCPMrNv/bjUzoaAXfwNr7WWFPs= Message-ID: <64b81a780512280733h481452d1pbe1ddb693c1e8506@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:33:58 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth In-Reply-To: <20051228055353.70149.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <04f301c60b43$25efba60$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20051228055353.70149.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Google Earth rocks. I've spent many an afternoon zipping around the earth exploring. Some interesting views: - The Grand Canyon, but use the middle mouse button to lay the camera down and you'll find that instead of just flat-earth satellite imagery, they've draped the satellite photos over 3-D terrain. You can fly the Grand Canyon as though you were in a helicopter. :) - The Forbidden City in Beijing. Having a full satellite view of this ancient bastion of hidden power means a lot to me symbolically. - The Himalayas. Again cool 3-D terrain. I was looking for some large Buddhist monasteries, but never found 'em. I did find the Taj Mahal, but the resolution's poor and it's little more than a white blob. Anyway, this is all blather for another list. Fun program. Todd On 12/28/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > hehe cool, > kinda creepy & cosmic,what are those plants back by the fence?busted= ... > good heads up on the google earth site. > thats guitar generated?pretty far out... > rock on, > dan-knee > > > Kris Hartung wrote: > > > This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I integrated part= of > my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could make some of us loopers > feel more connected and informed on our whereabouts, but I discovered Goo= gle > Earth and I think it is absolutely mind blowing. > > Check this out: > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html > > It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created using Google Earth= . > It starts at about 100 feet above my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, and zoom= s > out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, using sattelite imagery. = I > could have zoomed in instead of out, but I had a more difficult time > controlling the speed, and it was jumping between altitudes (probably > because it was merging separate satteline feeds). But you'll at least get= a > feel of where I am on the planet Earth, down to the top of my roof, > driveway, yard, and everything. The exact location of the center and to= p > of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 > 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were to copy this location into the Google > Earth search box. > > More info on Google Earth... > > http://earth.google.com/ > > Kris > > > > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, > whatever. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 15:34:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EDD03BEDA; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mgLXswGUHKN+GUtQoIMRz2VcOd2Mb8PrLtAO2QExB1v0xVHugJ+iPdcoYmp045VB4hYNjjk7rJkBSECD18E91m7T3MJ8aSOKIQqCvDvBcRVuaJZdkVWqPQikq7mzGkvB1sg7P7ZmZSyLzAVQo/sDswp2sKJWewTYrBMHAB6KbW8= ; Message-ID: <20051228153426.64012.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:34:26 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: re: the Dark Age To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <018701c60b91$097e1860$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:34:28 +0000 (UTC) very true,it seems to me that the 90's as far as inovation didnt offer as much as the 80's,it was mostly grunge or retro bands.Reading about world music rhythms in the 80s i have to mention Peter Gabriel once again,the melting face and security album are perfect examples of what Rick is saying,complete albums made without cymbals!there were others off course like Phill Collins Paul Simon Steve Winwood Adam Ant etc. but for me Peter is the man who changed it all. cheers Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Emile wrote: > "Some of us aging hippies were hoping the decade > would signal a > rebound from some unsatisfying (to us, at least) > musical tendencies > (disco, fusion, etc,) of the 70's. We were > disappointed-:)" > > > Respectfully, Emile, I need to agree to disagree > with you: > I am an aging hippy and I personally thought that > the early 80's gave > us some of the most innovative pop music since the > late 60's. > > For me, the whole DIY ethic of new wave music (from > the original impetus of > punk in > the late 70's) was wonderful , I believe and at > least in > my home town, there were far more bands playing all > original creative music > in night clubs that did not hire cover bands than > any time in the next 25 > years. > > Add to that the early 80's revolution in sampling > that highly effected > everything from motion picture > soundtracks to pop group recordings............. > > The rise of MIDI which led to composers being able > to flesh out > full creative visions without necessarily having to > rely on bands or > orchestras to play them > (which completely changed and made more egalitarian, > the musical world > because it changed the > fact that you either had to be rich or very famous > to flesh out ideas if > they were grandiose ---think orchestral). > > The 80's also saw the rise of really affordable > equipment and digital > processing so that more and more people > could make music without having to have a lot of > money. > > The next things I say are Amero-centric so I'll > apologize for that but it is > all I can speak about because I was nowhere else in > the world during the > early 80's: > > The fact that Disco was forced to change to stay > economically viable meant > that tons of new rhythms and timbres entered > music. particularly from the Caribbean.........Rap > and Hip Hop also added > incredible new rhythmic sophistication to > popular music........ > ...........indeed, the whole world fusion (or world > beat, a term that I > hate) in popular music occurred in the first few > years of that decade as > well...............which meant that (in my country) > African, Middleeastern, > Aisian and Caribbean musicians began to > perform in large numbers all over the western world > whereas before that > there was very, very little of this influence in > popular music, > statistically speaking. > > Suddenly, in popular music (everything from motion > picture soundtracks to > commercials to pop groups), there was an incredible > explosion of new > rhythms (with world music and rap/hip hop roots) and > new timbres (sampling). > In fact, there probably has never been a decade in > American music history > where there was such an explosion of rhythm and > rhythmic variety. > > I honestly think of the early 80's with great > fondness and consider it to be > one of the more fertile early decades in American > and > British popular music. > > At least this aging hippy thinks so (hell, I don't > feel aging in the > slightest but I am over 50 years old which probably > seems like > aging to some of the younger members of our > community). > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 15:37:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 946ED3BED2; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c60bc4$ba5695d0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <04f301c60b43$25efba60$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:38:17 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C60BC4.B94B8E70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:37:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C60BC4.B94B8E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Once again, not visible for the Java code, even with popups enabled. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 00:10 AM Subject: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I integrated = part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could make some of = us loopers feel more connected and informed on our whereabouts, but I = discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely mind blowing. Check this out: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created using Google = Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, = and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, using = sattelite imagery. I could have zoomed in instead of out, but I had a = more difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping between = altitudes (probably because it was merging separate satteline feeds). = But you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet Earth, down = to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and everything. The exact = location of the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by = 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were to = copy this location into the Google Earth search box. More info on Google Earth... http://earth.google.com/ Kris ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C60BC4.B94B8E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Once again, not visible for the Java code, even with = popups=20 enabled.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, = 2005 00:10=20 AM
    Subject: Zoom from my house to = 38 miles=20 above the earth

    This doesn't have a lot to do with = looping,=20 except that I integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, = and it=20 could make some of us loopers feel more connected and informed on our=20 whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and I think it is = absolutely mind=20 blowing.
     
     
    It is a video (with loop music over = it) that=20 I created using Google Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my = house in=20 Boise, Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet = Earth,=20 using sattelite imagery.  I could have zoomed in instead of out, = but I=20 had a more difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping = between=20 altitudes (probably because it was merging separate satteline feeds). = But=20 you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet Earth, down to = the top=20 of my roof, driveway, yard, and everything.   The exact = location of=20 the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by 116 = Degrees 13'=20 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were to copy this = location=20 into the Google Earth search box.
     
    More info on Google = Earth...
     
    http://earth.google.com/
     
    Kris
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C60BC4.B94B8E70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 15:38:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF0023BED9; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <296.2f163e3.30e40b88@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:38:48 EST Subject: Re: Derek Bailey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_296.2f163e3.30e40b88_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:38:51 +0000 (UTC) --part1_296.2f163e3.30e40b88_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is sad news. I have several disks which feature bailey - a few of then are on my iPod. I will have to listen to him today. He was a giant of the genre. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_296.2f163e3.30e40b88_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is sad news.

    I have several disks which feature bailey - a few of then are on my iPod. I will have to listen to him today. He was a giant of the genre.

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
     --part1_296.2f163e3.30e40b88_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 15:44:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3F5C3BEE4; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005001c60bc5$ad7ea9a0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <949A7E1E-07A9-43D9-B59A-7C1D726E3A2F@boysen.se> Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:40:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: The Dark Age > On 27 dec 2005, at 23.28, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >> Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to >> as "the dark age"? > > > a) Ridiculous clothes and haircuts ;-) > b) Stiff music (see Mark Smart's post on "the DX7 syndrome") And MTV. and Big Hair Metal and while a lot of 'us' love electronic music, it was seen as talentless, tasteless drek you could play with one finger. music killed by drum machines and the DX7. (not my opinion! I love electronic/synth) and yeah, there was that hair. Someone is always going to find something negative to say about culture/music. Hard rock, progressive rock, fusion, punk, electro/synth-pop, rap, heavy metal, big hair pop-metal... one can find good or bad in any of it. Whether one thinks it's good or bad, it all has an effect on the next generation of music. The backlash of 'this music sucks' pushes people. Progressive -> punk -> glam/metal ->grunge However, I think lots of people think there was little or nothing good that came from the 80's. some of my favorite albums (King Crimson and Rush) came from then. But then, some really bad ones too! enough rambling from me, Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 16:00:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F6673BED9; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008a01c60bc7$d9b96080$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002001c60bc4$ba5695d0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:00:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0084_01C60B9D.EBA507B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <9MB6S.A.9SC.EarsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:00:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C60B9D.EBA507B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ same basic principle. It installs then downloads the pictures as needed. = lots of fun. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Once again, not visible for the Java code, even with popups enabled. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 00:10 AM Subject: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I integrated = part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could make some of = us loopers feel more connected and informed on our whereabouts, but I = discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely mind blowing. Check this out: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created using Google = Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, = and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, using = sattelite imagery. I could have zoomed in instead of out, but I had a = more difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping between = altitudes (probably because it was merging separate satteline feeds). = But you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet Earth, down = to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and everything. The exact = location of the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by = 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were to = copy this location into the Google Earth search box. More info on Google Earth... http://earth.google.com/ Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C60B9D.EBA507B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/
     
    same basic principle. It installs then = downloads=20 the pictures as needed.  lots of fun.
     
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Stephen Goodman
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, = 2005 10:38=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house = to 38=20 miles above the earth

    Once again, not visible for the Java code, even = with popups=20 enabled.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, = 2005=20 00:10 AM
    Subject: Zoom from my house = to 38 miles=20 above the earth

    This doesn't have a lot to do with = looping,=20 except that I integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this = video, and it=20 could make some of us loopers feel more connected and informed on = our=20 whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and I think it is = absolutely mind=20 blowing.
     
     
    It is a video (with loop music over = it) that I created using Google Earth. It starts at about 100 = feet=20 above my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles = outside=20 the planet Earth, using sattelite imagery.  I could have zoomed = in=20 instead of out, but I had a more difficult time controlling the = speed, and=20 it was jumping between altitudes (probably because it was merging = separate=20 satteline feeds). But you'll at least get a feel of where I am on = the planet=20 Earth, down to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and=20 everything.   The exact location of the center and top of = my roof=20 is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 = 37.528' N, 116=20 13.03' W if you were to copy this location into the Google = Earth search=20 box.
     
    More info on Google = Earth...
     
    http://earth.google.com/
     
    Kris
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C60B9D.EBA507B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 16:21:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6681E3BEDF; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000201c60bca$1fb08800$a0a2fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <010601c60bb1$1df10710$0402a8c0@Lightning> Subject: Re: Re:Dark Age Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:35:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <-4KPDC.A.LSD.ttrsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:21:01 +0000 (UTC) I knew it... I´m hiding myself inside my niche and will wait unashamedly, to paraphrase Blixa Bargeld of Einstürzende Neubauten ("Zampano", off "Silence is Sexy"). Sometimes it´s a great privilege not to be part of something. Stephen ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren Sirota To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: RE: Re:Dark Age > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:42 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Re:Dark Age > > > > > > When interpreting it from a musical (not a technical) angle, > > how dark are these times, then? > > > > Stephen > > (WARNING: Cynical, probably unjustified opinions to follow:) > > Not dark at all if you're 20 and have big boobs, or a posse with guns. :-< > > Porn and violence are the only mass markets left. Everything else is highly > niche-ified. Maybe that's not such a bad thing. Truly, I don't know. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 16:30:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 913B83BEDB; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ra0NIR9fGEE8bYYmKMykrvGCkca1cb153OaCXb+IufYCzSGvWonNRgnYCsOf+yTHdFRIZZ8kmg0kNOGHOA2VKUCiPVDoX+diTkAcFUog43W1A/uHrnlvITsMg6+cCK2gCguLCQP2d6bLt9zjdXM9GUPMb454+LEbQHo6AmNI/u4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:30:50 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Derek Bailey In-Reply-To: <004001c60bc1$7aae6140$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <061301c60b89$d9d30c30$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004001c60bc1$7aae6140$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9MVORD.A.mwD.82rsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, but this, like the Wikipedia entry is just the same entry they had a few days ago with the addition of a death date. While it's certainly possible that Bailey has passed away, it appears that all the current info on the web is based on that initial posting on a discussion board. TravisH On 12/28/05, Tony K wrote: > I found this... > > http://www.nndb.com/people/023/000044888/ > > Tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 17:00:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5323D3BECF; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c001c60bd0$439ca400$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20051228153851.F2F8B3BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: interesting effects processor Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:43:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <5ba4FB.A.oJF.iSssDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:00:19 +0000 (UTC) I know this was mentioned last year, but now there's a software version... http://www.jesusonic.com/ programmable effects, loopers, write your own code. runs on Win, Linux, and OSX. sweet. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 17:17:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39E6E3BED0; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:17:55 +0000 Message-Id: <122820051717.23980.43B2C8C3000065A700005DAC21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:17:57 +0000 (UTC) I should say that I don't hate everything about the DX7, just the user interface and that pseudo-rhodes patch that was beaten into the ground. It could make some really cool metallic Taco Bell sounds. I also don't hate all music from the 80s. I liked the Police, Talking Heads, U2, Men at Work, the Cars (don't own any recordings, but their songs are very catchy, especially "Let's Go"). I can do without Def Leppard and all the other hair bands except Van Halen. I went through a phase where I studied Van Halen tapping and still like to pull that stuff out at gigs with my blues band. One thing that, to me, really stands out from the 80s and which doesn't sound at all dated compared to most other music from the time...GRACELAND. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 17:24:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C70D73BED5; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iN0gaF6GyS2y+bJiOMmZat9LqddDHjXlSfYgrkGlvdqNuxFJrK38YD1QDyG72/7JfqhZ+W5MPedIsoh21FMZ/KKgVmn+DrYgqxCy7DpSPDwQjDa688JB6aGnwPk2Tujo1+gMdLBuiS6yzrMMWL7QI6GTdNo1gmpg3Knl5ewEguQ= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730512280924y9b89ebcp44c9e9e9a022d6bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:24:56 -0500 From: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dark Age In-Reply-To: <122820051717.23980.43B2C8C3000065A700005DAC21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18276_10499328.1135790696784" References: <122820051717.23980.43B2C8C3000065A700005DAC21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:24:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18276_10499328.1135790696784 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline If I had to make a choice, I would much prefer the first half of the 80's t= o the second half. Seems to me that the closer that music (in general, of course) got to 1990 (and including the 90's) the worse it became. C On 12/28/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > > > I should say that I don't hate everything about the DX7, just the user > interface and that pseudo-rhodes patch that was beaten into the > ground. It could make some really cool metallic Taco Bell sounds. > > I also don't hate all music from the 80s. I liked the Police, Talking > Heads, U2, Men at Work, the Cars (don't own any recordings, but their > songs are very catchy, especially "Let's Go"). I can do without > Def Leppard and all the other hair bands except Van Halen. I went through > a phase where I studied Van Halen tapping and still like to pull that > stuff out at gigs with my blues band. > > One thing that, to me, really stands out from the 80s and which doesn't > sound > at all dated compared to most other music from the time...GRACELAND. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > > ------=_Part_18276_10499328.1135790696784 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline If I had to make a choice, I would much prefer the first half of the 80's t= o the second half.

    Seems to me that the closer that music (in general, of course) got to 1990 = (and including the 90's)
    the worse it became. 

    C

    On 12/28/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com <mwsmart@insightbb.com> wrote:


    I should say that I don't hate everything about the DX7, just the user interface and that pseudo-rhodes patch that was beaten into the
    ground. = It could make some really cool metallic Taco Bell sounds.

    I also don= 't hate all music from the 80s. I liked the Police, Talking
    Heads, U2, M= en at Work, the Cars (don't own any recordings, but their
    songs are very catchy, especially "Let's Go"). I can do witho= ut
    Def Leppard and all the other hair bands except Van Halen. I went thr= ough
    a phase where I studied Van Halen tapping and still like to pull th= at
    stuff out at gigs with my blues band.

    One thing that, to me, rea= lly stands out from the 80s and which doesn't sound
    at all dated compare= d to most other music from the time...GRACELAND.

    Mark Smart
     http://www.marksmart.net


    ------=_Part_18276_10499328.1135790696784-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 17:35:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC84D3BED9; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B2CCED.2000105@biink.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:35:41 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Derek Bailey References: <061301c60b89$d9d30c30$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004001c60bc1$7aae6140$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Everybody - I know - that knew him seems to think he's passed away. http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/news.php?id=8386 Travis Hartnett wrote: >Yeah, but this, like the Wikipedia entry is just the same entry they >had a few days ago with the addition of a death date. While it's >certainly possible that Bailey has passed away, it appears that all >the current info on the web is based on that initial posting on a >discussion board. > >TravisH > >On 12/28/05, Tony K wrote: > > >>I found this... >> >>http://www.nndb.com/people/023/000044888/ >> >>Tony >> >> >> > > > > -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 17:39:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B4833BEDA; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B2CE96.1040101@Hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:42:46 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Climate Changes References: <00bd01c60b8d$942d5150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <004801c60bc2$e10fae20$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> In-Reply-To: <004801c60bc2$e10fae20$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:39:28 +0000 (UTC) > I find that I like to 'get creative' and play when it's sort of dreary > - rainy, snowy, dark. But not so much when it's bright and sunny. Agreed! And the short days right now (N. Hemisphere) make for LONG and wonderful evenings...one can crawl into that creative night-space while it's still afternoon! (I also love early mornings for music...but that depends on how the 'night before' was occupied!) David =We said our goodbyes, ah, the night before. Love was in your eyes, ah, the night before. Now today I find you have changed your mind. Treat me like you did the night before.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 17:43:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CB0C3BEDA; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hq3YBdPhDXF8/W7AWwGVRlQGvRk663fw2kUR0EGKASCnXGkQ382t/w1UO+RLIdpVYG/A96tkq3N4aqwlWgGpQrMwTdrgDW5aC1sIyB9XKJS0MYLigFCuNAPod1J5fPXFuW3Ht1fv4w289zdKmUzPj2cvzxHIgoFizrKb/zTNGDA= ; Message-ID: <20051228174306.39721.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: OT: Climate Changes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00bd01c60b8d$942d5150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_f-sLD.A.WeG.r6ssDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Rick our conversation got cuttoff yesterday sorry my phones battery went dead:-( I ll call you later bro,ok? cheers Luis P.S. did u recover from your overdose already? --- "loop.pool" wrote: > This is so off topic as to defy rational > justification > except that it affects many of the live loopers > in Western Europe and the British Isles: > > I was talking with Luis Angulo (who is here visiting > his family > in San Diego from Northern Europe) and he told me > that > they had 3 solid weeks without seeing the sunshine > in Radolfzell > (by the Boden Zee). I had also heard from Andy > Butler mentioning > that England was having a particularly severe winter > this year. > > Anyway, my wife found this fascinating flash > demonstration of > why global warming is having the effect of much > colder winters > for Western Europe and the British Isles. > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/flash/gulf_stream_climate.swf > > The Gulf Stream coming up from the equator actually > raises the > air temperature of those regions by an astonishing > 18 degrees Farhenheit > and 10 degrees Celsius. > > Researchers have discovered that the circulation of > the currents have slowed > a dismaying 30% over the last 12 years due to global > warming trends. > > Maybe this can lead to a discussion of how weather > effects our creativity. > > I've often wondered if Per Boysen, as an example, > is more or less > creative/prolific > when there is very little sun in the winter or when > there is a lot of sun in > the summer. > > I know I write much, much more in the winter than in > the summer. > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 17:48:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 129203BED0; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B2D00C.7030503@biink.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:49:00 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dark Age References: <122820051717.23980.43B2C8C3000065A700005DAC21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> <2fb9e4730512280924y9b89ebcp44c9e9e9a022d6bd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2fb9e4730512280924y9b89ebcp44c9e9e9a022d6bd@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7bTHlB.A.W7G.GAtsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Clint Allen wrote: > If I had to make a choice, I would much prefer the first half of the > 80's to the second half. > > Seems to me that the closer that music (in general, of course) got to > 1990 (and including the 90's) > the worse it became. Along about '85 I started getting more interested in Jazz. Rock lost it's zing on me for many years. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 17:57:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BDC83BEDA; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=s/UdL5n2G1l5bFsR6IhHV9FvWng2RqCudXefqJzst9zvwLGgEbILkBsKMrEEu4a5PnSibG9PR+QSKv0lsQJO48Bb1Zi5Wu+ReYKiYY5kssSi0SQBwNQ48vqZAsEYThS9MWlIMIgXIENV7JGf2wWG1h6QO7uwFvizC6RK18k8Jrs= ; Message-ID: <20051228175735.47401.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:57:34 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: The Dark Age To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051227224507.75845.qmail@web51515.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:57:36 +0000 (UTC) you missed the guy that sings "wake me up before you go go" ... oh yes i remember now George Michael! --- Marc Marshall wrote: > a small list of why the 80's might be considered the > "dark age" > > Billy Squier > Ryan Adams > 1000 or so hair bands > Journey > Styx > guitar tapping > MTV > VH1 > CMT > The beginning of the Republican/ Corporate > takeover of all things that have great natural > beauty. > > thanks for letting me rant > :-) > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 18:01:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 370193BEDA; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eh80dvP9Cl01XlrV/HsfZ/Y1ZN67V1tmtVXrUWcfBt/mrqOVy2bmleY91ljWDLDaumGxw13O7jWW4s50fVMmr2ZrkmZ21jNGXB1an5EtZjXmUecOYdFB+fZkQpjEXnmiae6wv5fC6vcpHEFJA5OwxwjRRiH+N+eQnUXGOn+0AKM= ; Message-ID: <20051228180107.94192.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:01:07 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: The Dark Age To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:01:08 +0000 (UTC) perhaps because of the Pet shop boys, Bryan Adams,George Michael Air Supply... --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties > are often referred to > as "the dark age"? > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 18:11:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B04673BEDF; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B2D551.4090600@biink.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:11:29 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dark Age References: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> In-Reply-To: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to >as "the dark age"? > MTV almost killed ZZ Top. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 18:30:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE03A3BEDA; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aBa83m4uqm5eEOxBbXXP18ogDYUStuB/avMUEXDic2i6JlKxUCz5RkjIgrO5eQFHqfg+E9wTb9uZksMFg4+KeUSJF3Pinmz1pulJAeWoicp5m6E2LUmuYgd19WZymGS8vy2uiK9NpZ1s3HTo35OPoTixeskKj3CMOnn82jqwVUg= ; Message-ID: <20051228183052.96679.qmail@web26302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:30:52 +0100 (CET) From: Joss Turnbull Subject: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi All I`m a percussionist from germany, new in the List and I`m interested in Live-Looping! I want to loop percussionsounds and I`m interested in a good machine! I think Loop Station RC 20 XL and Jamman from Digitech are interesting and I want to buy one of them. Is there somebody who made experiences with one of them and could recommend one of them or give some info?! -That would be great! All the best joss ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 18:31:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7534F3BEDE; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3492762.1135794685583.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:31:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: OT - Climate Changes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Spent time in Middle Sweden/Stockholm and then some time in the far North of the Country in Jokkmokk and Gallivare area. The trick of light at high latitudes is a strange one. In the winter, I could barely stay awake. In the summer, I had insomnia and insane amounts of energy. The creative side of all that seemed to re-arrange alot of my sensibilities. I got alot of musical material out of it. Some of my chemical choices might've effected certain outcomes as well, but I am not fond of giving those things credit. I think that bad weather in general creates good art. It causes focus and limits options. Todd -----Original Message----- >From: Tony K >Sent: Dec 28, 2005 8:16 AM >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Subject: Re: OT - Climate Changes > >> Maybe this can lead to a discussion of how weather effects our creativity. > >I find that I like to 'get creative' and play when it's sort of dreary - >rainy, snowy, dark. But not so much when it's bright and sunny. Might be >because I like to play dark and dreary things. ;) If it's sunny I want to >be outside doing something fun, like fishing or walking or anything but be >in my studio. > >I was watching some programs about last years tsunami and apparently the >earthquake also caused the earth to wobble and spin faster. Not much, a few >thousanths of a second, but it changed. Gotta wonder what that kind of >major event does to weather, currents, etc. > >Tony > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "loop.pool" >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:03 AM >Subject: OT: Climate Changes > > >> This is so off topic as to defy rational justification >> except that it affects many of the live loopers >> in Western Europe and the British Isles: >> >> I was talking with Luis Angulo (who is here visiting his family >> in San Diego from Northern Europe) and he told me that >> they had 3 solid weeks without seeing the sunshine in Radolfzell >> (by the Boden Zee). I had also heard from Andy Butler mentioning >> that England was having a particularly severe winter this year. >> >> Anyway, my wife found this fascinating flash demonstration of >> why global warming is having the effect of much colder winters >> for Western Europe and the British Isles. >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/flash/gulf_stream_climate.swf >> >> The Gulf Stream coming up from the equator actually raises the >> air temperature of those regions by an astonishing 18 degrees Farhenheit >> and 10 degrees Celsius. >> >> Researchers have discovered that the circulation of the currents have >> slowed >> a dismaying 30% over the last 12 years due to global warming trends. >> >> Maybe this can lead to a discussion of how weather effects our creativity. >> >> I've often wondered if Per Boysen, as an example, is more or less >> creative/prolific >> when there is very little sun in the winter or when there is a lot of sun >> in the summer. >> >> I know I write much, much more in the winter than in the summer. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 18:34:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A0F63BED9; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014101c60bdd$74743a90$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <002001c60bc4$ba5695d0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <008a01c60bc7$d9b96080$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:35:17 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013E_01C60BDD.73778B10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:34:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013E_01C60BDD.73778B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually Google Earth works just fine on my machine. I was commenting = about the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's page, which effectively = prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he did. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony K=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 16:00 PM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ same basic principle. It installs then downloads the pictures as = needed. lots of fun. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Once again, not visible for the Java code, even with popups enabled. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 00:10 AM Subject: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I = integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could = make some of us loopers feel more connected and informed on our = whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely = mind blowing. Check this out: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created using = Google Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house in Boise, = Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, = using sattelite imagery. I could have zoomed in instead of out, but I = had a more difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping = between altitudes (probably because it was merging separate satteline = feeds). But you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet = Earth, down to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and everything. The = exact location of the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" = N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were = to copy this location into the Google Earth search box. More info on Google Earth... http://earth.google.com/ Kris ------=_NextPart_000_013E_01C60BDD.73778B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Actually Google Earth works just fine on my = machine.  I=20 was commenting about the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's page, = which=20 effectively prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he = did.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Tony K=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, = 2005 16:00=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house = to 38=20 miles above the earth

    Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/
     
    same basic principle. It installs = then downloads=20 the pictures as needed.  lots of fun.
     
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Stephen Goodman
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, = 2005=20 10:38 AM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to 38=20 miles above the earth

    Once again, not visible for the Java code, even = with=20 popups enabled.
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 = December, 2005=20 00:10 AM
    Subject: Zoom from my house = to 38=20 miles above the earth

    This doesn't have a lot to do = with looping,=20 except that I integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this = video, and=20 it could make some of us loopers feel more connected and informed = on our=20 whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and I think it is = absolutely=20 mind blowing.
     
     
    It is a video (with loop music = over=20 it) that I created using Google Earth. It starts at about 100 = feet=20 above my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 = miles=20 outside the planet Earth, using sattelite imagery.  I could = have=20 zoomed in instead of out, but I had a more difficult time = controlling the=20 speed, and it was jumping between altitudes (probably because it = was=20 merging separate satteline feeds). But you'll at least get a feel = of where=20 I am on the planet Earth, down to the top of my roof, driveway, = yard, and=20 everything.   The exact location of the center and top = of my=20 roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 = 37.528'=20 N, 116 13.03' W if you were to copy this location into the = Google=20 Earth search box.
     
    More info on Google = Earth...
     
    http://earth.google.com/
     
    Kris
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_013E_01C60BDD.73778B10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 18:48:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D07A3BEE1; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <43B03B6D.8070001@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:50:21 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Derek Bailey References: <061301c60b89$d9d30c30$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004001c60bc1$7aae6140$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1grj7.A.tCB.M4tsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:48:45 +0000 (UTC) I can unfortunately confirm by personal connections Derek has died in Barcelona, where he was living since a few years. I will always remember his face and hands and his big, calm kindness. my best, luca www.unguitar.com Travis Hartnett wrote: >Yeah, but this, like the Wikipedia entry is just the same entry they >had a few days ago with the addition of a death date. While it's >certainly possible that Bailey has passed away, it appears that all >the current info on the web is based on that initial posting on a >discussion board. > >TravisH > >On 12/28/05, Tony K wrote: > > >>I found this... >> >>http://www.nndb.com/people/023/000044888/ >> >>Tony >> >> >> > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 18:52:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 945BC3BEE0; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:51:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: The Dark Age From: "Dan Soltzberg" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Reply-To: dan@envelopeproductions.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8hUekD.A.8JB.d7tsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:52:13 +0000 (UTC) If this whole dark age thread was touched off by my comment that Tim and I had crossed paths in "the dark ages," I just meant that it was a long time ago--not a comment on the validity of that decade (though due to the fact that I was in high school, I'd have to count it as one of the least favorite periods of my life). That being said, my biggest peeve on 80s music was the ubiquitous marching-type beats that showed up in a large slice of the pop music of that time period. It was sort of the anti-groove. At the same time, the 80s also brought delayed guitars (e.g. U2s "Boy" album, Durutti Column, and so on), drum machines, and sampling to mass consumption--all strands in the DNA of the whole looping phenomenon. dan -- ghost 7 www.envelopeproductions.com www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 19:02:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC1BB3BEE2; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051228183052.96679.qmail@web26302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20051228183052.96679.qmail@web26302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6020A729-690E-4EBE-8729-3A74EEBD3064@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:02:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1IMlNB.A.32B.XFusDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:02:47 +0000 (UTC) On 28 dec 2005, at 19.30, Joss Turnbull wrote: > Loop Station RC 20 XL and > Jamman from Digitech I was sent a Digi Jamman to write a review of it. After playing with it for an hour I had to tell the rep I'm sending it back and skipping over the job, "to help sales" ;-) From time to time I have been playing with the original Jamman, from Lexicon, and this new "Jamman" is completely different. Not at all suitable for dynamic live looping I would say, but maybe of interest for someone who intend to learn to play certain musical parts over a static background? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 19:17:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69C653BEDF; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Dec 2005 19:17:41 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:17:41 -0500 Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051228191741.6BD98E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:17:45 +0000 (UTC) David- Of course. I didn't mean to imply that one had to be on drugs to appreciat= e the Dead's music, only that LSD was a part of the cultural context=20 from which the Dead phenomenon sprang. And yes, being both a more traditional "songwriter" and being a looper does= often feel like living in two worlds at the same time. When I book a=20 show (usually months in advance) I never know what I'm going to be in the m= ood for at that show (loop vs non-loop). I now have different groups=20 of people that expect very different things, and somebody often is cranky t= hat I didn't deliver what they were expecting (Hey Man, why no looping? / VS. What happened to the songs? All you did was make noises for 45 minute= s?). One of the things I liked about the Grateful Dead was their ability to shif= t in and out of those two worlds, often many times in the same set (or=20 even the same song). Cheers Joe Rut >> Drugs (LSD and others in the case of=20 > > the Dead, and ecstasy/ > > speed and others in the case of techno) were vital to creating=20 > > the context in which the music was created, and often appreciated. >=20 > "Often," but not exclusively. I'd say acid was absolutely=20 > essential to the creation of the Dead's groupmind, and I'll confess=20 > that I was high on acid the first time I heard them play, but you=20 > don't have to be on acid to play that way and you don't have to be=20 > on acid to appreciate what they did. (In the later years it helped=20 > if you had a tolerance for weak but heartfelt vocals and the=20 > patience to endure group improvisations that weren't truly=20 > interactive, but that's another conversation.) > > Joe, you and I are both songwriters who also do loop work. I think=20 > that means we live in (at least) two worlds at the same time, sorta. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://playback.trufun.com --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 19:17:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B04AD3BEE7; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qBamcVaEO2IS1mELkJJNiaKXvMFHWCw5YNulthdChwmiP68oCAf+Np1XTWucf0T8ZGehz5PsGYW36HUTTRlu2z2dMbKbnUiOjNWAwgS7wNdQmZNqzwpTWXKUewOUy63CfNhghf2o8mEioOwVspYNQ6eK9rVWMCohbCmfrktWS9k= ; Message-ID: <20051228191757.96316.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:17:57 +0100 (CET) From: Joss Turnbull Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6020A729-690E-4EBE-8729-3A74EEBD3064@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0_-19.A.DUC.mTusDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:17:58 +0000 (UTC) ... thanks Per thats good to know! I need something for dynamic Live looping. I`ll search for this Lexicon Jamman ;-) joss --- Per Boysen schrieb: > On 28 dec 2005, at 19.30, Joss Turnbull wrote: > > > Loop Station RC 20 XL and > > Jamman from Digitech > > > I was sent a Digi Jamman to write a review of it. > After playing with > it for an hour I had to tell the rep I'm sending it > back and skipping > over the job, "to help sales" ;-) From time to time > I have been > playing with the original Jamman, from Lexicon, and > this new "Jamman" > is completely different. Not at all suitable for > dynamic live looping > I would say, but maybe of interest for someone who > intend to learn to > play certain musical parts over a static background? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 19:20:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE0C93BEE2; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <064201c60be3$b0c24040$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00bd01c60b8d$942d5150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Climate Changes Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:19:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 423, in=186292, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Interesting article, Rick. The moving graphics really helps illustrate the situation. It helps alleviate some of the counter-intuitive effect of it getting colder, despite global warming. Anther theory I recall learning several years ago while getting my bachelors degree was that as global warming increased, it increased the rate at which the icecaps melted, which increased the overall ocean water level, which increased precipitation which meant more snow in the north, which results in the enlargement of the polar cap....i.e., the next ice age. We already know that there have been several ice ages in the past...it's cyclical, like many other things in nature (it's a climate loop!). The question is when the next iceage will get here. There are debates on how fast this will occur, but it will get here and have a huge impact on human civilization. This is a real threat. Our great, great, great, great, great grandchildren who live in the north could be migrating down to the sound, just as those first nomads did who crossed the berring strait and wandered southward down North America. But, as to your question of how the weather effects my creativity? I actually prefer darker and more ominous weather...overcast, stormy, etc. Of course, I also prefer darker, obscure, and ominous music, so it is fitting. The sunshine doesn't do much for me in terms of rousing my creative energy. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:03 AM Subject: OT: Climate Changes > This is so off topic as to defy rational justification > except that it affects many of the live loopers > in Western Europe and the British Isles: > > I was talking with Luis Angulo (who is here visiting his family > in San Diego from Northern Europe) and he told me that > they had 3 solid weeks without seeing the sunshine in Radolfzell > (by the Boden Zee). I had also heard from Andy Butler mentioning > that England was having a particularly severe winter this year. > > Anyway, my wife found this fascinating flash demonstration of > why global warming is having the effect of much colder winters > for Western Europe and the British Isles. > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/flash/gulf_stream_climate.swf > > The Gulf Stream coming up from the equator actually raises the > air temperature of those regions by an astonishing 18 degrees Farhenheit > and 10 degrees Celsius. > > Researchers have discovered that the circulation of the currents have slowed > a dismaying 30% over the last 12 years due to global warming trends. > > Maybe this can lead to a discussion of how weather effects our creativity. > > I've often wondered if Per Boysen, as an example, is more or less > creative/prolific > when there is very little sun in the winter or when there is a lot of sun in > the summer. > > I know I write much, much more in the winter than in the summer. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 19:31:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADABE3BEF3; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <071801c60be5$48335da0$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <002001c60bc4$ba5695d0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <008a01c60bc7$d9b96080$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> <014101c60bdd$74743a90$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:31:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0715_01C60BAA.9B001EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 426, in=202031, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:31:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0715_01C60BAA.9B001EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about this link: = http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID= =3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Actually Google Earth works just fine on my machine. I was commenting = about the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's page, which effectively = prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he did. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony K=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 16:00 PM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ same basic principle. It installs then downloads the pictures as = needed. lots of fun. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Once again, not visible for the Java code, even with popups = enabled. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 00:10 AM Subject: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I = integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could = make some of us loopers feel more connected and informed on our = whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely = mind blowing. Check this out: = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created using = Google Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house in Boise, = Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, = using sattelite imagery. I could have zoomed in instead of out, but I = had a more difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping = between altitudes (probably because it was merging separate satteline = feeds). But you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet = Earth, down to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and everything. The = exact location of the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" = N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were = to copy this location into the Google Earth search box. More info on Google Earth... http://earth.google.com/ Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0715_01C60BAA.9B001EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    How about this link: http://box.net/index= .php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID=3D3e066020d= cd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Stephen Goodman
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, = 2005 11:35=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house = to 38=20 miles above the earth

    Actually Google Earth works just fine on my = machine.  I=20 was commenting about the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's page, = which=20 effectively prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he = did.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Tony K=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, = 2005=20 16:00 PM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to 38=20 miles above the earth

    Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/
     
    same basic principle. It installs = then=20 downloads the pictures as needed.  lots of fun.
     
    Tony
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Stephen Goodman =
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, December = 28, 2005=20 10:38 AM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to 38=20 miles above the earth

    Once again, not visible for the Java code, = even with=20 popups enabled.
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 = December, 2005=20 00:10 AM
    Subject: Zoom from my = house to 38=20 miles above the earth

    This doesn't have a lot to do = with looping,=20 except that I integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this = video,=20 and it could make some of us loopers feel more connected and = informed on=20 our whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and I think it is = absolutely mind blowing.
     
     
    It is a video (with loop music = over=20 it) that I created using Google Earth. It starts at about = 100 feet=20 above my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 = miles=20 outside the planet Earth, using sattelite imagery.  I could = have=20 zoomed in instead of out, but I had a more difficult time = controlling=20 the speed, and it was jumping between altitudes (probably = because it was=20 merging separate satteline feeds). But you'll at least get a = feel of=20 where I am on the planet Earth, down to the top of my roof, = driveway,=20 yard, and everything.   The exact location of the = center and=20 top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by 116 Degrees 13' = 03.98" W,=20 OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were to copy this = location=20 into the Google Earth search box.
     
    More info on Google = Earth...
     
    http://earth.google.com/
     
    Kris
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0715_01C60BAA.9B001EA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 19:33:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE02B3BEF8; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:33:17 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Dear List, Can someone recommend a SMALL midi foot pedal? I could do with just a button that send a midi note (note on, note off) or two values of a midi cc parameter. I would also appreciate an expression pedal, but that's not on top of the list. The background is that I'm having enough of this bulky and heavy Behringer FCB1010 pedal board (yesterday I was caught "overweight" at a flight check-in). I want to use the two ultra small MIDI mixers seen on this picture: http://www.faderfox.com/Erweiterungen/Pict0024/pict0024.html I already own the one with faders and I'm hoping to get the one with buttons as well. But I need at least ONE midi button for foot work. What are you keyboard players using? Aren't there small pedals that send just one MIDI msg? I'm thinking that I really don't need all the ten buttons of the FCB floor board. Instead of tap dancing over it to pitch transpose my looping into chord vamps I could as well program the pitch transpose action commands into a MIDI files (in Ableton Live) and use the pedal to "step to the next chord". In Ableton Live you may have hundreds of such chains (differently related pitch transposing intervals) and you can use a hand button to choose the sequence and then the foot button to step through it. That would be a much neater set-up IMHO. I've been able to try out a rig as described above by using a usual "sustain pedal" for a synth and them collecting the synth's MIDI OUT for the command going into the looper, but I would need a plain MIDI pedal because I can't take that big synth to gigs just to use it as a converter from an analog switch into a MIDI cc msg. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 19:33:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E9FE3BF00; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20051228191741.6BD98E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20051228191741.6BD98E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:26:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: What's wrong with loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:33:39 +0000 (UTC) At 2:17 PM -0500 12/28/05, joe rut wrote: > >And yes, being both a more traditional "songwriter" and being a >looper does often feel like living in two worlds at the same time. >When I book a >show (usually months in advance) I never know what I'm going to be >in the mood for at that show (loop vs non-loop). I now have >different groups >of people that expect very different things, and somebody often is >cranky that I didn't deliver what they were expecting (Hey Man, why >no looping? >/ VS. What happened to the songs? All you did was make noises for 45 >minutes?). I hear ya! I always do some looping no matter what the gig, but I adjust the proportions according to the setting and the audience feedback. >One of the things I liked about the Grateful Dead was their ability >to shift in and out of those two worlds, often many times in the >same set (or >even the same song). Exactly! -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 19:36:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA42B3BEF5; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,304,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="189422551:sNHT121580232" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <018701c60b91$097e1860$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <018701c60b91$097e1860$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:35:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: re: the Dark Age Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:36:04 +0000 (UTC) At 1:28 AM -0800 12/28/05, loop.pool wrote: >Emile wrote: >"Some of us aging hippies were hoping the decade would signal a >rebound from some unsatisfying (to us, at least) musical tendencies >(disco, fusion, etc,) of the 70's. We were disappointed-:)" > > >Respectfully, Emile, I need to agree to disagree with you: >I am an aging hippy and I personally thought that the early 80's gave >us some of the most innovative pop music since the late 60's. I admit to mainly being a wiseass with this remark. I try to take what is good (for myself) out of each era and leave the rest. > >For me, the whole DIY ethic of new wave music (from the original >impetus of punk in >the late 70's) was wonderful , I believe and at least in >my home town, there were far more bands playing all original creative music >in night clubs that did not hire cover bands than any time in the >next 25 years. > >Add to that the early 80's revolution in sampling that highly >effected everything from motion picture >soundtracks to pop group recordings............. > >The rise of MIDI which led to composers being able to flesh out >full creative visions without necessarily having to rely on bands or >orchestras to play them >(which completely changed and made more egalitarian, the musical >world because it changed the >fact that you either had to be rich or very famous to flesh out >ideas if they were grandiose ---think orchestral). > >The 80's also saw the rise of really affordable equipment and >digital processing so that more and more people >could make music without having to have a lot of money. although in the early part of the 80's, most midi users were simply trying to emulate acoustic instruments with synths. The more interesting (to me) developments involving making music that could not possibly mbe made even with a studio and orchestra mostly came later. > >The next things I say are Amero-centric so I'll apologize for that >but it is all I can speak about because I was nowhere else in the >world during the early 80's: > >The fact that Disco was forced to change to stay economically viable >meant that tons of new rhythms and timbres entered >music. particularly from the Caribbean.........Rap and Hip Hop also >added incredible new rhythmic sophistication to >popular music........ and without the heavy gangsta' element that dominates now. -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 19:36:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 817E03BEF6; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:36:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Thread-Index: AcYL5gpPSJzzj3fZEdq8fAAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <071801c60be5$48335da0$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3218625409_4755836" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:36:53 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3218625409_4755836 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sorry but the file or folder you requested was not found on the server. Please alert the owner of this folder or file, as well as the server admin by emailing: support@box.net Thanks, Box.net That is the result of that link, Kris... T. On 12/28/05 2:31 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > How about this link: > http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID=3D3e0= 66020 > dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea > =3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea> > =20 > Kris > =20 >> =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> =20 >> From: Stephen Goodman >> =20 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> =20 >> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:35 AM >> =20 >> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >> Actually Google Earth works just fine on my machine. I was commenting = about >> the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's page, which effectively prev= ents >> one from seeing or hearing the work he did. >> =20 >>> =20 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> =20 >>> From: Tony K >>> =20 >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> =20 >>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 16:00 PM >>> =20 >>> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> same basic principle. It installs then downloads the pictures as neede= d. >>> lots of fun. >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> Tony >>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> =20 >>>> From: Stephen Goodman >>>> =20 >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> =20 >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:38 AM >>>> =20 >>>> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>> Once again, not visible for the Java code, even with popups enabled. >>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> =20 >>>>> From: Kris Hartung >>>>> =20 >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>> =20 >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 00:10 AM >>>>> =20 >>>>> Subject: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth >>>>> =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I integrated= part >>>>> of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could make some of us >>>>> loopers feel more connected and informed on our whereabouts, but I >>>>> discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely mind blowing. >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> Check this out: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html >>>>> >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created using Google >>>>> Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house in Boise, Idaho, U= SA, >>>>> and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, using satt= elite >>>>> imagery. I could have zoomed in instead of out, but I had a more >>>>> difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping between >>>>> altitudes (probably because it was merging separate satteline feeds)= . But >>>>> you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet Earth, down t= o the >>>>> top of my roof, driveway, yard, and everything. The exact location= of >>>>> the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by 116 Degr= ees >>>>> 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were to copy this >>>>> location into the Google Earth search box. >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> More info on Google Earth... >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> http://earth.google.com/ >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> Kris >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --B_3218625409_4755836 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Sorry but the file or folder you requested was not found on the serve= r. Please alert the owner of this folder or file, as well as the server admi= n by emailing: support@box.net
    Thanks,

    Box.net

    That is the result of that link, Kris...

    T.

    <= BR>

    On 12/28/05 2:31 PM, "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>= wrote:

    How about this link: http://box.net/in= dex.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID=3D3e066020dcd3b2e= a8d76892b84e8a3ea <http:= //box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&amp;file_id=3D1826462&amp;PHPSE= SSID=3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea>

    Kris

    ----- Original Message -----
     
    From:  Stephen Goodman <mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net>  
     
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com  
     
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:35  AM
     
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38  miles above the earth  

     
    Actually Google Earth works just fine on my machine.  I  was comm= enting about the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's page, which  ef= fectively prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he did.
     

    ----- Original Message -----
     
    From:  Tony K <mailto:= bigtony@softhome.net>   
     
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com  
     
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005  16:00 PM
     
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38  miles above the earth  

     
    Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/
     
     
    same basic principle. It installs then  down= loads the pictures as needed.  lots of fun.
     
     
    Tony

    ----- Original Message -----
     
    From:  Stephen Goodman <mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net>  
     
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com  
     
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005  10:38 AM
     
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38  miles above the earth  

     
    Once again, not visible for the Java code, even with  popups enabled.<= BR>  

    ----- Original Message -----
     
    From:  Kris  Hartung <mailto:khartung@cableone.net>  
     
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com  
     
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005  00:10 AM
     
    Subject: Zoom from my house to 38  miles above the earth
     

     
    This doesn't have a lot to do with looping,  = ;except that I integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this video,  = ;and it could make some of us loopers feel more connected and informed on &n= bsp;our whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and I think it is  a= bsolutely mind blowing.
     
     
    Check this out: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html <http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html>=

     
     
    It is a video (with loop music over  it) tha= t I created using Google Earth. It starts at about 100 feet  above my h= ouse in Boise, Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles  outside the= planet Earth, using sattelite imagery.  I could have  zoomed in i= nstead of out, but I had a more difficult time controlling  the speed, = and it was jumping between altitudes (probably because it was  merging = separate satteline feeds). But you'll at least get a feel of  where I a= m on the planet Earth, down to the top of my roof, driveway,  yard, and= everything.   The exact location of the center and  top of m= y roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, &nb= sp;OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were to copy this location  int= o the Google Earth search box.
     
     
    More info on Google Earth...
     
     
    http://earth.g= oogle.com/
     
     
    Kris
     
     
     



    ---------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------
    “Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter
    “Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to th= e creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------
    Todd Reynolds
    42-09 47th Ave 1C
    Sunnyside, NY  11104
     
    Ph.    718 392-3773
    Mob.   917 576-6166
    Fax    419 781-5502
     
    http://www.toddreynolds.com


    todd@toddreynolds.com
    9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less)
    AIM ID: toddreyn


     --B_3218625409_4755836-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 19:38:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57EA83BEF8; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,304,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="1769726331:sNHT21171886" In-Reply-To: References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <12017E76-421F-402A-96EE-C5BED88B0411@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:38:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-6kz8C.A.ZYD.hmusDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Check out the MIR: http://www.audiomidi.com/MIR-U1-P1092.aspx It has an expansion kit that adds programmable footswitches and an expression pedal. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Dec 28, 2005, at 1:33 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Dear List, > > Can someone recommend a SMALL midi foot pedal? I could do with just > a button that send a midi note (note on, note off) or two values of > a midi cc parameter. I would also appreciate an expression pedal, > but that's not on top of the list. > > The background is that I'm having enough of this bulky and heavy > Behringer FCB1010 pedal board (yesterday I was caught "overweight" > at a flight check-in). I want to use the two ultra small MIDI > mixers seen on this picture: > http://www.faderfox.com/Erweiterungen/Pict0024/pict0024.html > I already own the one with faders and I'm hoping to get the one > with buttons as well. But I need at least ONE midi button for foot > work. What are you keyboard players using? Aren't there small > pedals that send just one MIDI msg? > > I'm thinking that I really don't need all the ten buttons of the > FCB floor board. Instead of tap dancing over it to pitch transpose > my looping into chord vamps I could as well program the pitch > transpose action commands into a MIDI files (in Ableton Live) and > use the pedal to "step to the next chord". In Ableton Live you may > have hundreds of such chains (differently related pitch transposing > intervals) and you can use a hand button to choose the sequence and > then the foot button to step through it. That would be a much > neater set-up IMHO. > > I've been able to try out a rig as described above by using a usual > "sustain pedal" for a synth and them collecting the synth's MIDI > OUT for the command going into the looper, but I would need a plain > MIDI pedal because I can't take that big synth to gigs just to use > it as a converter from an analog switch into a MIDI cc msg. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 19:40:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A8B93BEEE; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:39:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal Thread-Index: AcYL5npduTEmsXfZEdq8fAAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:40:42 +0000 (UTC) I know of the 'midi mouse', but I believe it only sends pc messages... If you were to use a jlcooper cs-32 controller, it has a momentary switch input as well, although I gotta say, that faderfox looks incredible... http://jlcooper.com/pages/cs32.html I hope this is helpful, per. T. On 12/28/05 2:33 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Dear List, >=20 > Can someone recommend a SMALL midi foot pedal? I could do with just a > button that send a midi note (note on, note off) or two values of a > midi cc parameter. I would also appreciate an expression pedal, but > that's not on top of the list. >=20 > The background is that I'm having enough of this bulky and heavy > Behringer FCB1010 pedal board (yesterday I was caught "overweight" > at a flight check-in). I want to use the two ultra small MIDI mixers > seen on this picture: > http://www.faderfox.com/Erweiterungen/Pict0024/pict0024.html > I already own the one with faders and I'm hoping to get the one with > buttons as well. But I need at least ONE midi button for foot work. > What are you keyboard players using? Aren't there small pedals that > send just one MIDI msg? >=20 > I'm thinking that I really don't need all the ten buttons of the FCB > floor board. Instead of tap dancing over it to pitch transpose my > looping into chord vamps I could as well program the pitch transpose > action commands into a MIDI files (in Ableton Live) and use the pedal > to "step to the next chord". In Ableton Live you may have hundreds of > such chains (differently related pitch transposing intervals) and you > can use a hand button to choose the sequence and then the foot button > to step through it. That would be a much neater set-up IMHO. >=20 > I've been able to try out a rig as described above by using a usual > "sustain pedal" for a synth and them collecting the synth's MIDI OUT > for the command going into the looper, but I would need a plain MIDI > pedal because I can't take that big synth to gigs just to use it as a > converter from an analog switch into a MIDI cc msg. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 19:42:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AFFE3BEEC; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1NytP9Q7iv+3LDpIBZSyGULJLgcYjTE2tiZm+3VSy7UGb1nk3imHBqja/OLWhJAku0L92m7ZR9ER+Z2+MKDxIViaXigrMmsWSWAvlT1f9+ITZi4HwJUImlgdnsqQ1T/0/Zhpd4li1m3LuTVmwjrCM4pGayXTOdHaIKKd4MRhW8g= ; Message-ID: <20051228194251.52888.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:42:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <12017E76-421F-402A-96EE-C5BED88B0411@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:42:52 +0000 (UTC) i just picked up the rocktron midi mate - might be more than you're looking for but it's only a little bigger than the EDP's foot controller - AND it matches! (took me a long long time to discover too) http://www.rocktron.com/products/midimate.html --- Kelly Coyle wrote: > Check out the MIR: > > http://www.audiomidi.com/MIR-U1-P1092.aspx > > It has an expansion kit that adds programmable > footswitches and an > expression pedal. > > > > > ----- > Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net > Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ > > > On Dec 28, 2005, at 1:33 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > > Can someone recommend a SMALL midi foot pedal? I > could do with just > > a button that send a midi note (note on, note off) > or two values of > > a midi cc parameter. I would also appreciate an > expression pedal, > > but that's not on top of the list. > > > > The background is that I'm having enough of this > bulky and heavy > > Behringer FCB1010 pedal board (yesterday I was > caught "overweight" > > at a flight check-in). I want to use the two ultra > small MIDI > > mixers seen on this picture: > > > http://www.faderfox.com/Erweiterungen/Pict0024/pict0024.html > > I already own the one with faders and I'm hoping > to get the one > > with buttons as well. But I need at least ONE midi > button for foot > > work. What are you keyboard players using? Aren't > there small > > pedals that send just one MIDI msg? > > > > I'm thinking that I really don't need all the ten > buttons of the > > FCB floor board. Instead of tap dancing over it to > pitch transpose > > my looping into chord vamps I could as well > program the pitch > > transpose action commands into a MIDI files (in > Ableton Live) and > > use the pedal to "step to the next chord". In > Ableton Live you may > > have hundreds of such chains (differently related > pitch transposing > > intervals) and you can use a hand button to choose > the sequence and > > then the foot button to step through it. That > would be a much > > neater set-up IMHO. > > > > I've been able to try out a rig as described above > by using a usual > > "sustain pedal" for a synth and them collecting > the synth's MIDI > > OUT for the command going into the looper, but I > would need a plain > > MIDI pedal because I can't take that big synth to > gigs just to use > > it as a converter from an analog switch into a > MIDI cc msg. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 20:04:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CD4C3BEE8; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:04:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:04:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 34a971b5-77dd-11da-a87f-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.45/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:04:53 +0000 (UTC) Oh I am with you on the Behringer.....its always the odd piece out. I finally found a case to fit it...an old vintage violin case (at the Chicago Music Store in Tucson)....and then last week it was CRUSHED by United Airlines. They wouldn't let me carry it on because I had 2 carryons already (I always carry the RPTR) and I had to gate check it. I never use those expression pedals anyway, they're too far way when sitting. So I'm going to give the Rocktron MIDI Mate a try. Not a lot out there really. It seems like foot controllers are out of fashion because rack-mounted effects are out of fashion (i.e. not "retro" enough....yawn...insert comments here). On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Dear List, > > Can someone recommend a SMALL midi foot pedal? I could do with just > a button that send a midi note (note on, note off) or two values of > a midi cc parameter. I would also appreciate an expression pedal, > but that's not on top of the list. > > The background is that I'm having enough of this bulky and heavy > Behringer FCB1010 pedal board (yesterday I was caught "overweight" > at a flight check-in). I want to use the two ultra small MIDI > mixers seen on this picture: > http://www.faderfox.com/Erweiterungen/Pict0024/pict0024.html > I already own the one with faders and I'm hoping to get the one > with buttons as well. But I need at least ONE midi button for foot > work. What are you keyboard players using? Aren't there small > pedals that send just one MIDI msg? > > I'm thinking that I really don't need all the ten buttons of the > FCB floor board. Instead of tap dancing over it to pitch transpose > my looping into chord vamps I could as well program the pitch > transpose action commands into a MIDI files (in Ableton Live) and > use the pedal to "step to the next chord". In Ableton Live you may > have hundreds of such chains (differently related pitch transposing > intervals) and you can use a hand button to choose the sequence and > then the foot button to step through it. That would be a much > neater set-up IMHO. > > I've been able to try out a rig as described above by using a usual > "sustain pedal" for a synth and them collecting the synth's MIDI > OUT for the command going into the looper, but I would need a plain > MIDI pedal because I can't take that big synth to gigs just to use > it as a converter from an analog switch into a MIDI cc msg. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 20:07:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D71E3BEE4; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B2F08A.3080009@biink.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:07:38 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Zoe Keating wrote: > Not a lot out there really. It seems like foot controllers are out of > fashion because rack-mounted effects are out of fashion (i.e. not > "retro" enough....yawn...insert comments here). I don't know...it has a bit late '80's vibe to it. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 20:24:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FE793BEE4; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20051228153426.64012.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051228153426.64012.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4da521c071c82945b973a6ca3b38b419@modaldub.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Native Instruments Pro-53 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:23:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3205181219 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g+qZWI0rFLK+bp/5hUqFtW8C1r770e28/YC7+oWUsk93wlnJcCtqug== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.130.24.124|smtp04.lax.untd.com|outbound28-2.lax.untd.com|3nki@modaldub.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:24:50 +0000 (UTC) hello, as a long time user of a Sequential Circuits Six-Trak, i am considering buying NI's Pro-53 and making it my main (soft)synth. the demo sounds good, and i like that it follows the original philosophy of doing a few things and doing them well, as opposed to being a giant toolbox where nothing works together intuitively and the whole package is hard to grasp at once. for me, when Eno talked about instruments needing "more Africa in them" this is what he meant, something that is limited and works really well in a coherent, "themed", fashion. my Six-Trak has been a great live improv instrument to me for almost twenty years now... so, has anyone had a chance to use the Pro-53 extensively? any impressions on its sound, flexibility, stability, etc.? i'm planning on using it to improvise over a bed of loops in radiaL. thanks, jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 20:25:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64CAF3BEE0; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20051228153426.64012.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051228153426.64012.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <7e2064848bca7ef301b14c978140eb43@modaldub.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: the Dark Age Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:15:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-ContentStamp: 58:29:3754435473 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g+qZWI0rFLK+bp/5hUqFtW8C1r770e286kHS6v8MJR1jyEsw01vmTg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.130.24.124|smtp04.lax.untd.com|outbound28-2.lax.untd.com|3nki@modaldub.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:25:26 +0000 (UTC) each decade has its charms i'd say, but they sometimes take a while to=20= reveal themselves. the 90's in a way took some punk/progressive ideas=20 from the late 70s/early80s and put it through the DJ/hip-hop filter and=20= into electronic music, with results such as the vast expansion of=20 "noise" music, improvisation, and various previously more marginalized=20= "experimental" forms. lou reed's "metal machine music" didn't come into=20= it's own as an influence until the 90s imho. the 80s saw the beginning=20= with groups like einsturzende neubauten, the brit synth/industrialists=20= (psyhic tv, zoviet france), even The Great Domed One (B.Eno), but it=20 took until the 90s to see these trends really develop away from the=20 early 80s and previously dominant pop-song structure... actually it's=20 way too huge a topic, there are so many qualifications and so forth i'd=20= be here all day writing about it! this is just my general sense in=20 other words, not an absolute statement ;) basically i think the 90s=20 will come into their own eventually, as all decades seem to. -jeff On Dec 28, 2005, at 7:34 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > very true,it seems to me that the 90's as far as > inovation didnt offer as much as the 80's,it was > mostly grunge or retro bands.Reading about world music > rhythms in the 80s i have to mention Peter Gabriel > once again,the melting face and security album are > perfect examples of what Rick is saying,complete > albums made without cymbals!there were others off > course like Phill Collins Paul Simon Steve Winwood > Adam Ant etc. but for me Peter is the man who changed > it all. > cheers > Luis > > --- "loop.pool" wrote: > >> Emile wrote: >> "Some of us aging hippies were hoping the decade >> would signal a >> rebound from some unsatisfying (to us, at least) >> musical tendencies >> (disco, fusion, etc,) of the 70's. We were >> disappointed-:)" >> >> >> Respectfully, Emile, I need to agree to disagree >> with you: >> I am an aging hippy and I personally thought that >> the early 80's gave >> us some of the most innovative pop music since the >> late 60's. >> >> For me, the whole DIY ethic of new wave music (from >> the original impetus of >> punk in >> the late 70's) was wonderful , I believe and at >> least in >> my home town, there were far more bands playing all >> original creative music >> in night clubs that did not hire cover bands than >> any time in the next 25 >> years. >> >> Add to that the early 80's revolution in sampling >> that highly effected >> everything from motion picture >> soundtracks to pop group recordings............. >> >> The rise of MIDI which led to composers being able >> to flesh out >> full creative visions without necessarily having to >> rely on bands or >> orchestras to play them >> (which completely changed and made more egalitarian, >> the musical world >> because it changed the >> fact that you either had to be rich or very famous >> to flesh out ideas if >> they were grandiose ---think orchestral). >> >> The 80's also saw the rise of really affordable >> equipment and digital >> processing so that more and more people >> could make music without having to have a lot of >> money. >> >> The next things I say are Amero-centric so I'll >> apologize for that but it is >> all I can speak about because I was nowhere else in >> the world during the >> early 80's: >> >> The fact that Disco was forced to change to stay >> economically viable meant >> that tons of new rhythms and timbres entered >> music. particularly from the Caribbean.........Rap >> and Hip Hop also added >> incredible new rhythmic sophistication to >> popular music........ >> ...........indeed, the whole world fusion (or world >> beat, a term that I >> hate) in popular music occurred in the first few >> years of that decade as >> well...............which meant that (in my country) >> African, Middleeastern, >> Aisian and Caribbean musicians began to >> perform in large numbers all over the western world >> whereas before that >> there was very, very little of this influence in >> popular music, >> statistically speaking. >> >> Suddenly, in popular music (everything from motion >> picture soundtracks to >> commercials to pop groups), there was an incredible >> explosion of new >> rhythms (with world music and rap/hip hop roots) and >> new timbres (sampling). >> In fact, there probably has never been a decade in >> American music history >> where there was such an explosion of rhythm and >> rhythmic variety. >> >> I honestly think of the early 80's with great >> fondness and consider it to be >> one of the more fertile early decades in American >> and >> British popular music. >> >> At least this aging hippy thinks so (hell, I don't >> feel aging in the >> slightest but I am over 50 years old which probably >> seems like >> aging to some of the younger members of our >> community). >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > =09 > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL =96 Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 20:28:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01EDB3BEEE; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B0BEB76-FF58-459A-8EC8-058C828D4775@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:28:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8NLAPB.A.faF.4VvsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:28:40 +0000 (UTC) On 28 dec 2005, at 21.04, Zoe Keating wrote: > I had 2 carryons already (I always carry the RPTR) and I had to > gate check it. Yesterday, after my backpack got taxed overweight and hijacked by the check-in desk, I entered the cabin with just a plastic bag containing my TC electronics Fireworx, a laptop and a RME Multiface (took them out as carry-on). It suddenly appeared to me that I could actually bring all that plus a music instrument in the cabin. And I don't really need more. My FCB is given permanent home vacation from now on ;-) On 28 dec 2005, at 21.04, Zoe Keating wrote: > I never use those expression pedals anyway I don't use them for guitar, but I do when playing sax or because I need to close the mic input when not playing to prevent the stage sound to getting into the overdubbing feedback loop. With acoustic instruments you can really get trapped in fat mash-ups of too loud background noise. When I lack MIDI feedback pedal I use to switch off the flute mic preamp by hand to mute the input. Would be cool with a simple foot button for that. > Zoe Keating wrote: >> Not a lot out there really. It seems like foot controllers are out >> of fashion because rack-mounted effects are out of fashion (i.e. >> not "retro" enough....yawn...insert comments here). > > On 28 dec 2005, at 21.07, David Beardsley wrote: > I don't know...it has a bit late '80's vibe to it. L-O-L ;-D) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 20:42:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D22D23BEEA; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <079d01c60bef$27cf3ca0$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:42:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_079A_01C60BB4.7A8393A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 426, in=202068, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:42:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_079A_01C60BB4.7A8393A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earthIt opens right up for = me. It's a large wmv file. Are you copying the entire URL into your = browser, or clicking on the URL below? It's there. It just sounds like = your system doesn't like the method of accessing the file. Are you using = a MAC? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: todd reynolds=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Sorry but the file or folder you requested was not found on the = server. Please alert the owner of this folder or file, as well as the = server admin by emailing: support@box.net Thanks, Box.net That is the result of that link, Kris... T. On 12/28/05 2:31 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: How about this link: = http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID= =3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea = =20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 From: Stephen Goodman =20 =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =20 =20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:35 AM =20 Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth =20 =20 Actually Google Earth works just fine on my machine. I was = commenting about the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's page, which = effectively prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he did. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 From: Tony K =20 =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =20 =20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 16:00 PM =20 Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth =20 =20 Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ =20 =20 same basic principle. It installs then downloads the pictures = as needed. lots of fun. =20 =20 Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 From: Stephen Goodman =20 =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =20 =20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:38 AM =20 Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth =20 =20 Once again, not visible for the Java code, even with popups = enabled. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 From: Kris Hartung =20 =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =20 =20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 00:10 AM =20 Subject: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth =20 =20 This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I = integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could = make some of us loopers feel more connected and informed on our = whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely = mind blowing. =20 =20 Check this out: = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html = =20 =20 =20 It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created = using Google Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house in = Boise, Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet = Earth, using sattelite imagery. I could have zoomed in instead of out, = but I had a more difficult time controlling the speed, and it was = jumping between altitudes (probably because it was merging separate = satteline feeds). But you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the = planet Earth, down to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and = everything. The exact location of the center and top of my roof is 43 = Degrees 37' 52.80" N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 = 13.03' W if you were to copy this location into the Google Earth search = box. =20 =20 More info on Google Earth... =20 =20 http://earth.google.com/ =20 =20 Kris =20 =20 =20 = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- "Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad" - Trevor Exter "Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the = creative part of sound" - Ornette Coleman = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn ------=_NextPart_000_079A_01C60BB4.7A8393A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the = earth
    It opens right up for me. It's a large = wmv file.=20 Are you copying the entire URL into your browser, or clicking on the URL = below?=20 It's there. It just sounds like your system doesn't like the method of = accessing=20 the file. Are you using a MAC?
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 todd=20 reynolds
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, = 2005 12:36=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house = to 38=20 miles above the earth

    Sorry but the file or folder you requested = was not=20 found on the server. Please alert the owner of this folder or file, as = well as=20 the server admin by emailing: support@box.net
    Thanks,

    Box= .net

    That=20 is the result of that link,=20 Kris...

    T.




    On 12/28/05 2:31 PM, "Kris = Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
    How = about this=20 link: http://box.net/index= .php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID=3D3e066020d= cd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea=20 <http://box.net/i= ndex.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&amp;file_id=3D1826462&amp;PHPSESSID= =3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea>=20

    Kris

    -----=20 Original Message -----
     
    From:  Stephen = Goodman <mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.= net>=20  
     
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =  
     
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 = 11:35=20  AM
     
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 =  miles above the earth
     

     
    Actually = Google=20 Earth works just fine on my machine.  I  was commenting = about=20 the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's page, which =  effectively=20 prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he=20 did.
     

    -----=20 Original Message -----
     
    From:  Tony K = <mailto:bigtony@softhome.net><= /A>=20   
     
    To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20  
     
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005=20  16:00 PM
     
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to 38=20  miles above the = earth
     

     
    Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/

     
     
    same basic=20 principle. It installs then  downloads the pictures as = needed.=20  lots of fun.

     
     
    Tony

    ----- Original Message -----=20
     
    From:  Stephen Goodman <mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.= net>=20  
     
    To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20  
     
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005=20  10:38 AM
     
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to=20 38  miles above the earth
     

     
    Once = again,=20 not visible for the Java code, even with  popups=20 enabled.
     

    ----- Original Message -----=20
     
    From:  Kris  Hartung <mailto:khartung@cableone.net>= ;=20  
     
    To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20  
     
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, = 2005=20  00:10 AM
     
    Subject: Zoom from my = house to 38=20  miles above the = earth
     

     
    This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, =  except=20 that I integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this = video,=20  and it could make some of us loopers feel more = connected and=20 informed on  our whereabouts, but I discovered Google = Earth and=20 I think it is  absolutely mind blowing.

     
     
    Check=20 this out: http://box.net= /public/khartung/files/1826462.html <http://box= .net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html>=20

     
     
    It is a video (with loop music over  it) = that I=20 created using Google Earth. It starts at about 100 feet =  above=20 my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 = miles=20  outside the planet Earth, using sattelite imagery. =  I=20 could have  zoomed in instead of out, but I had a more=20 difficult time controlling  the speed, and it was = jumping=20 between altitudes (probably because it was  merging = separate=20 satteline feeds). But you'll at least get a feel of =  where I am=20 on the planet Earth, down to the top of my roof, driveway,=20  yard, and everything.   The exact location = of the=20 center and  top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N = by 116=20 Degrees 13' 03.98" W,  OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if = you=20 were to copy this location  into the Google Earth = search=20 box.

     
     
    More=20 info on Google Earth...

     
     
    http://earth.google.com/
    =
     
     
    Kris

     
     
     



    -------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------
    =93Virtue=20 is just repression waiting to go bad=94 - Trevor = Exter

    =93Classical music=20 is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of = sound=94=20 - Ornette=20 = Coleman
    --------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------=20
    Todd Reynolds
    42-09 47th Ave 1C
    Sunnyside, NY=20  11104
     
    Ph.    718 392-3773
    Mob.=20   917 576-6166
    Fax    419 = 781-5502
     
    http://www.toddreynolds.com
    <= BR>
    todd@toddreynolds.com
    9175766166@vtext.com=20 (155 characters or less)
    AIM ID: toddreyn


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Shopping --0-1603122779-1135802806=:39650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 20:46:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 802543BEFE; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:46:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal Thread-Index: AcYL79VIFBEiiHfjEdq8fAAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <2B0BEB76-FF58-459A-8EC8-058C828D4775@boysen.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:46:59 +0000 (UTC) I've been carrying my 1010, my motu traveler, and a backup harddrive all in a fender gig bag, which has proved invaluable. So now, my airplane rig is = a flat booq laptop bag, the gig bag and my violin. Only once have I had to invoke the TSA letter to get me through, and I'm thrilled to be this compact. If I had to check it, a pelikan case would handle the pedal and audio interface easily... Hope that is a contribution for all of us 1010 users who ALL find it big and bulky... (I use the expression pedals all the time, which is probably why I stick to this pedal still... With all the software I use having midi learn functions= , a couple of banks has me completely covered.) Greetings from vermont... Todd On 12/28/05 3:28 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On 28 dec 2005, at 21.04, Zoe Keating wrote: >=20 >> I had 2 carryons already (I always carry the RPTR) and I had to >> gate check it. >=20 >=20 > Yesterday, after my backpack got taxed overweight and hijacked by the > check-in desk, I entered the cabin with just a plastic bag containing > my TC electronics Fireworx, a laptop and a RME Multiface (took them > out as carry-on). It suddenly appeared to me that I could actually > bring all that plus a music instrument in the cabin. And I don't > really need more. My FCB is given permanent home vacation from now > on ;-) >=20 >=20 > On 28 dec 2005, at 21.04, Zoe Keating wrote: >> I never use those expression pedals anyway >=20 > I don't use them for guitar, but I do when playing sax or because I > need to close the mic input when not playing to prevent the stage > sound to getting into the overdubbing feedback loop. With acoustic > instruments you can really get trapped in fat mash-ups of too loud > background noise. When I lack MIDI feedback pedal I use to switch off > the flute mic preamp by hand to mute the input. Would be cool with a > simple foot button for that. >=20 >> Zoe Keating wrote: >>> Not a lot out there really. It seems like foot controllers are out >>> of fashion because rack-mounted effects are out of fashion (i.e. >>> not "retro" enough....yawn...insert comments here). >>=20 >> On 28 dec 2005, at 21.07, David Beardsley wrote: >> I don't know...it has a bit late '80's vibe to it. >=20 > L-O-L ;-D) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 20:50:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DC373BEFC; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:49:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Thread-Index: AcYL8EQlguJxuXfjEdq8fAAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <079d01c60bef$27cf3ca0$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3218629803_5027703" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:50:06 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3218629803_5027703 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I=B9m a mac user, and I=B9m using safari. , and yes, I=B9m clicking on the url, and all the previous box.net urls you=B9ve posted have worked perfectly well..., from the loop festival... I=B9ll try a few different ways..., All best, Todd On 12/28/05 3:42 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > It opens right up for me. It's a large wmv file. Are you copying the enti= re > URL into your browser, or clicking on the URL below? It's there. It just > sounds like your system doesn't like the method of accessing the file. Ar= e you > using a MAC? > =20 > Kris > =20 >> =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> =20 >> From: todd reynolds >> =20 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> =20 >> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:36 PM >> =20 >> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth >> =20 >>=20 >> Sorry but the file or folder you requested was not found on the server. >> Please alert the owner of this folder or file, as well as the server ad= min >> by emailing: support@box.net >> Thanks, >>=20 >> Box.net >>=20 >> That is the result of that link, Kris... >>=20 >> T. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 12/28/05 2:31 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: >>=20 >> =20 >>> How about this link: >>> http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID=3D3= e0660 >>> 20dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea >>> >> ID=3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea> >>> >> ID=3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea> >>>=20 >>> Kris >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> =20 >>>> From: Stephen Goodman >>>> =20 >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> =20 >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:35 AM >>>> =20 >>>> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>> Actually Google Earth works just fine on my machine. I was commenti= ng >>>> about the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's page, which effecti= vely >>>> prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he did. >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> =20 >>>>> From: Tony K >>>>> =20 >>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>> =20 >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 16:00 PM >>>>> =20 >>>>> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth >>>>> =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ >>>>>=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> same basic principle. It installs then downloads the pictures as ne= eded. >>>>> lots of fun. >>>>>=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> Tony >>>>>=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> From: Stephen Goodman >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:38 AM >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth >>>>>> =20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> Once again, not visible for the Java code, even with popups enabl= ed. >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> From: Kris Hartung >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 00:10 AM >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> Subject: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I integra= ted >>>>>>> part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could make so= me of >>>>>>> us loopers feel more connected and informed on our whereabouts, b= ut I >>>>>>> discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely mind blowing= . >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> Check this out: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created using Goog= le >>>>>>> Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house in Boise, Idaho= , >>>>>>> USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, us= ing >>>>>>> sattelite imagery. I could have zoomed in instead of out, but I = had a >>>>>>> more difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping be= tween >>>>>>> altitudes (probably because it was merging separate satteline fee= ds). >>>>>>> But you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet Earth,= down >>>>>>> to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and everything. The exac= t >>>>>>> location of the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80= " N >>>>>>> by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you >>>>>>> were to copy this location into the Google Earth search box. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> More info on Google Earth... >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> http://earth.google.com/ >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> Kris >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- >> ---- >> =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter >>=20 >> =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the >> creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- >> ----- =20 >> Todd Reynolds >> 42-09 47th Ave 1C >> Sunnyside, NY 11104 >> =20 >> Ph. 718 392-3773 >> Mob. 917 576-6166 >> Fax 419 781-5502 >> =20 >> http://www.toddreynolds.com >>=20 >>=20 >> todd@toddreynolds.com >> 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) >> AIM ID: toddreyn >>=20 >>=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --B_3218629803_5027703 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Yes, I’m a mac u= ser, and I’m using safari.  , and yes, I’m clicking on the = url, and all the previous box.net urls you’ve posted have worked perfe= ctly well..., from the loop festival...

    I’ll try a few different ways...,

    All best,

    Todd


    On 12/28/05 3:42 PM, "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>= wrote:

    It opens right up for me. It's a large wmv file. Are you copying the entire= URL into your browser, or clicking on the URL below? It's there. It just so= unds like your system doesn't like the method of accessing the file. Are you= using a MAC?
    Kris

    ----- Original Message -----
     
    From:  todd  reynolds <mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com>  
     
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com  
     
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:36  PM
     
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38  miles above the earth  

    Sorry but the file or folder you requested was not &nbs= p;found on the server. Please alert the owner of this folder or file, as wel= l as  the server admin by emailing: support@box.net
    Thanks,

    Box.net

    That  is the result of that link,  Kris...

    T.

    <= BR>

    On 12/28/05 2:31 PM, "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>=  wrote:

     
    How about this  link: http://box.= net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID=3D3e066020d= cd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea <= ;http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&amp;file_id=3D1826462&amp= ;PHPSESSID=3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea>   <http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_sh= ared&amp;file_id=3D1826462&amp;PHPSESSID=3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a= 3ea>  

    Kris

     

    -----  Original Message -----
     
    From:  Stephen Goodman <mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net>   
     
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com   
     
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:35   AM
     
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38   miles above the ea= rth
     

     
    Actually Google  Earth works just fine on my machine.  I  wa= s commenting about  the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's page, wh= ich  effectively  prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he =  did.
     
     

    -----  Original Message -----
     
    From:  Tony K <mailto:= bigtony@softhome.net>    
     
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com   
     
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005   16:00 PM
     
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38   miles above the ea= rth
     

     
    Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/

     
     
    same basic  principle. It installs then &nbs= p;downloads the pictures as needed.   lots of fun.

     
     
    Tony

     

    ----- Original Message -----  
     
    From:  Stephen Goodman <mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net>   
     
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com   
     
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005   10:38 AM
     
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to  38  miles above the ea= rth
     

     
    Once again,  not visible for the Java code, even with  popups &nb= sp;enabled.
     
     

    ----- Original Message -----  
     
    From:  Kris  Hartung <mailto:khartung@cableone.net>   
     
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com   
     
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005   00:10 AM
     
    Subject: Zoom from my house to 38   miles above the earth<= BR>  

     
    This doesn't have a lot to do with looping,  = ;except  that I integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this video,=   and it could make some of us loopers feel more connected and &n= bsp;informed on  our whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and &nb= sp;I think it is  absolutely mind blowing.

     
     
    Check  this out: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html <http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html&g= t;  

     
     
    It is a video (with loop music over  it) tha= t I  created using Google Earth. It starts at about 100 feet  abov= e  my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles  = ; outside the planet Earth, using sattelite imagery.  I  coul= d have  zoomed in instead of out, but I had a more  difficult time= controlling  the speed, and it was jumping  between altitudes (pr= obably because it was  merging separate  satteline feeds). But you= 'll at least get a feel of  where I am  on the planet Earth, down = to the top of my roof, driveway,   yard, and everything.  &nb= sp;The exact location of the  center and  top of my roof is 43 Deg= rees 37' 52.80" N by 116  Degrees 13' 03.98" W,  OR 43 3= 7.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you  were to copy this location  into th= e Google Earth search  box.

     
     
    More  info on Google Earth...

     
     
    http://earth.g= oogle.com/

     
     
    Kris

     
     
     



    ---------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------
    “Virtue  is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Ex= ter

    “Classical music  is related to the past more than it is related= to the creative part of sound”  - Ornette  Coleman
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------  
    Todd Reynolds
    42-09 47th Ave 1C
    Sunnyside, NY   11104
     
    Ph.    718 392-3773
    Mob.    917 576-6166
    Fax    419 781-5502
     
    http://www.toddreynolds.com


    todd@toddreynolds.com
    9175766166@vtext.com  (155 characters or less)
    AIM ID: toddreyn





    ----------------------= -----------------------------------------------------------
    “Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter
    “Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to th= e creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------
    Todd Reynolds
    42-09 47th Ave 1C
    Sunnyside, NY  11104
     
    Ph.    718 392-3773
    Mob.   917 576-6166
    Fax    419 781-5502
     
    http://www.toddreynolds.com


    todd@toddreynolds.com
    9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less)
    AIM ID: toddreyn


     --B_3218629803_5027703-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 20:52:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 003F63BF05; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:52:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Thread-Index: AcYL8KG54G5SIXfjEdq8fAAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <079d01c60bef$27cf3ca0$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3218629960_4988828" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:52:45 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3218629960_4988828 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Nope, copying in the url doesn=B9t work either. Is there a chance there is something wrong with the url?? T. On 12/28/05 3:42 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: >>> http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID=3D3= e0660 >>> 20dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --B_3218629960_4988828 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Nope, copying in the u= rl doesn’t work either.  Is there a chance there is something wro= ng with the url??

    T.




    On 12/28/05 3:42 PM, "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>= wrote:

    http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&a= mp;PHPSESSID=3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea


    ----------------------------------------------------------= -----------------------
    “Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter
    “Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to th= e creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------
    Todd Reynolds
    42-09 47th Ave 1C
    Sunnyside, NY  11104
     
    Ph.    718 392-3773
    Mob.   917 576-6166
    Fax    419 781-5502
     
    http://www.toddreynolds.com


    todd@toddreynolds.com
    9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less)
    AIM ID: toddreyn


     --B_3218629960_4988828-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 20:53:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91D703BEFB; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051228124809.0b227180@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:55:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: do they know? In-Reply-To: <20051227172512.55339.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051224010252.0534ae80@loopers-delight.com> <20051227172512.55339.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:53:09 +0000 (UTC) At 09:25 AM 12/27/2005, daniel stevenson wrote: > I agree wholeheartedlly on the points you make.i do need to buy music > from the amazing folks on the list,but where do i start?i havent bought > anything for a good long while.if and when i do buy some music for > listening ,it will be guitar looping.or cello...ok even sax,or > keys...well lets just say loops.it will be a looping album's from members > of LD "your all great" I think a great place to start is the Looper's Delight Compilation CDs! I just finally retrieved my copy of Vol 3 from the post office this morning, and I'm listening now. (thanks Sunao!) It's so exciting to hear all this great music. Zoe's opening track just finished (powerful, and extraordinary!) and now I'm on to Andy Butler on track 2 and his very musical use of such a wide range of loop techniques. (Andy's new cd is awesome also.) Can't wait to hear the rest of this.... http://www.loopers-delight.com/cd/LoopersDelightCDs.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 20:57:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 212503BF00; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07b701c60bf1$4727c390$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:57:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 425, in=190869, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <_egKsC.A.9uG.swvsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:57:17 +0000 (UTC) I still use the ADA MC-1 MIDI pedal to control my Boss VF-1, but I don't think you can program it to send anything but program changes, not notes.....it does have a dip switch on it though...maybe it can be changed. If so, I'd use it for my EDPs rather than the Behringer if it sent notes. It is much smaller than the Behringer, but just as long. http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/pedals/ADA-MC-1.htm What would it take to modify one of these to send notes? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoe Keating" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal > Oh I am with you on the Behringer.....its always the odd piece out. I > finally found a case to fit it...an old vintage violin case (at the > Chicago Music Store in Tucson)....and then last week it was CRUSHED > by United Airlines. They wouldn't let me carry it on because I had 2 > carryons already (I always carry the RPTR) and I had to gate check it. > > I never use those expression pedals anyway, they're too far way when > sitting. So I'm going to give the Rocktron MIDI Mate a try. > > Not a lot out there really. It seems like foot controllers are out of > fashion because rack-mounted effects are out of fashion (i.e. not > "retro" enough....yawn...insert comments here). > > On Dec 28, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > > Can someone recommend a SMALL midi foot pedal? I could do with just > > a button that send a midi note (note on, note off) or two values of > > a midi cc parameter. I would also appreciate an expression pedal, > > but that's not on top of the list. > > > > The background is that I'm having enough of this bulky and heavy > > Behringer FCB1010 pedal board (yesterday I was caught "overweight" > > at a flight check-in). I want to use the two ultra small MIDI > > mixers seen on this picture: > > http://www.faderfox.com/Erweiterungen/Pict0024/pict0024.html > > I already own the one with faders and I'm hoping to get the one > > with buttons as well. But I need at least ONE midi button for foot > > work. What are you keyboard players using? Aren't there small > > pedals that send just one MIDI msg? > > > > I'm thinking that I really don't need all the ten buttons of the > > FCB floor board. Instead of tap dancing over it to pitch transpose > > my looping into chord vamps I could as well program the pitch > > transpose action commands into a MIDI files (in Ableton Live) and > > use the pedal to "step to the next chord". In Ableton Live you may > > have hundreds of such chains (differently related pitch transposing > > intervals) and you can use a hand button to choose the sequence and > > then the foot button to step through it. That would be a much > > neater set-up IMHO. > > > > I've been able to try out a rig as described above by using a usual > > "sustain pedal" for a synth and them collecting the synth's MIDI > > OUT for the command going into the looper, but I would need a plain > > MIDI pedal because I can't take that big synth to gigs just to use > > it as a converter from an analog switch into a MIDI cc msg. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 21:03:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F6F63BF13; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07fd01c60bf2$2951dda0$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051224010252.0534ae80@loopers-delight.com> <20051227172512.55339.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051228124809.0b227180@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: do they know? Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:03:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 425, in=190881, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:03:36 +0000 (UTC) I have a new "new year's day" compilation CD coming out on Jan 1 as well, called "Xperimentus". It features 13 players from Looper's Delight. I think you'll enjoy this one as well, given the method by which it was produced. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: do they know? > At 09:25 AM 12/27/2005, daniel stevenson wrote: > > I agree wholeheartedlly on the points you make.i do need to buy music > > from the amazing folks on the list,but where do i start?i havent bought > > anything for a good long while.if and when i do buy some music for > > listening ,it will be guitar looping.or cello...ok even sax,or > > keys...well lets just say loops.it will be a looping album's from members > > of LD "your all great" > > I think a great place to start is the Looper's Delight Compilation CDs! I > just finally retrieved my copy of Vol 3 from the post office this morning, > and I'm listening now. (thanks Sunao!) It's so exciting to hear all this > great music. Zoe's opening track just finished (powerful, and > extraordinary!) and now I'm on to Andy Butler on track 2 and his very > musical use of such a wide range of loop techniques. (Andy's new cd is > awesome also.) Can't wait to hear the rest of this.... > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cd/LoopersDelightCDs.html > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 21:04:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAAD73BF04; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WM/7A7I8cFdejmG/CPyo7OgErV+g2dTru/oaEBcU2xBZ1jXFV+etQbaOTdJlEotTakm4y5c9rCsk2RzF8CBsh8n9VWnx/8yhvkKCQ+vENhCT1MGlKvWwLAJwgnABmvi13B+o+eJVSy7W7CL9LAwJtZtduLkX9hTW5e8xFhUCON8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:04:06 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal In-Reply-To: <07b701c60bf1$4727c390$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> <07b701c60bf1$4727c390$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:04:08 +0000 (UTC) For those of you looking for cases for the Behringer, this SKB controller case will do it with a bit of space left over for cables and what-not: http://www.skbcases.com/product/pro_audio/mic_equip/skb-C3209.html And I believe the dip switches on the ADA determine only the MIDI transmission channel. TravisH On 12/28/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > I still use the ADA MC-1 MIDI pedal to control my Boss VF-1, but I don't > think you can program it to send anything but program changes, not > notes.....it does have a dip switch on it though...maybe it can be change= d. > If so, I'd use it for my EDPs rather than the Behringer if it sent notes.= It > is much smaller than the Behringer, but just as long. > > http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/pedals/ADA-MC-1.htm > > What would it take to modify one of these to send notes? > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zoe Keating" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal > > > > Oh I am with you on the Behringer.....its always the odd piece out. I > > finally found a case to fit it...an old vintage violin case (at the > > Chicago Music Store in Tucson)....and then last week it was CRUSHED > > by United Airlines. They wouldn't let me carry it on because I had 2 > > carryons already (I always carry the RPTR) and I had to gate check it. > > > > I never use those expression pedals anyway, they're too far way when > > sitting. So I'm going to give the Rocktron MIDI Mate a try. > > > > Not a lot out there really. It seems like foot controllers are out of > > fashion because rack-mounted effects are out of fashion (i.e. not > > "retro" enough....yawn...insert comments here). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 21:07:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 702B53BEDF; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YP8RdB+Rk4P45e4KZamzUw44RDMP03tAqFGPMAmEO6KjhKWnsvD6cDSRREvHvtBgJcmzxPKibEyEqpc8bhIjChOe9/DrjfCv6F6WqoaHfeCjsP8sI2+lTvZUGxMYneFADapzQ0PCmbw/6g7zEogaTsPSDTpy25yBBBSGU9zivdU= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:07:09 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dark Age In-Reply-To: <2fb9e4730512280924y9b89ebcp44c9e9e9a022d6bd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <122820051717.23980.43B2C8C3000065A700005DAC21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> <2fb9e4730512280924y9b89ebcp44c9e9e9a022d6bd@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Of course, because it's obvious that the 90's were perhaps the worst decade ever for music, and there's absolutely no way that flannel is ever going to be fashionable again. TravisH On 12/28/05, Clint Allen wrote: > If I had to make a choice, I would much prefer the first half of the 80's= to > the second half. > > Seems to me that the closer that music (in general, of course) got to 19= 90 > (and including the 90's) > the worse it became. > > C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 21:20:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB4943BEDD; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b501c60bf4$93a9c3a0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <07fd01c60bf2$2951dda0$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: do they know? Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:16:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:20:55 +0000 (UTC) > called "Xperimentus". It features 13 players from Looper's Delight. I > think >> I think a great place to start is the Looper's Delight Compilation CDs! I Agreed! Both of these have been getting lots of play in my car and at work. I am biased, as I'm on both. :) But, all the work is stunning. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:03 PM Subject: Re: do they know? >I have a new "new year's day" compilation CD coming out on Jan 1 as well, > called "Xperimentus". It features 13 players from Looper's Delight. I > think > you'll enjoy this one as well, given the method by which it was produced. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: do they know? > > >> At 09:25 AM 12/27/2005, daniel stevenson wrote: >> > I agree wholeheartedlly on the points you make.i do need to buy > music >> > from the amazing folks on the list,but where do i start?i havent bought >> > anything for a good long while.if and when i do buy some music for >> > listening ,it will be guitar looping.or cello...ok even sax,or >> > keys...well lets just say loops.it will be a looping album's from > members >> > of LD "your all great" >> >> I think a great place to start is the Looper's Delight Compilation CDs! I >> just finally retrieved my copy of Vol 3 from the post office this >> morning, >> and I'm listening now. (thanks Sunao!) It's so exciting to hear all this >> great music. Zoe's opening track just finished (powerful, and >> extraordinary!) and now I'm on to Andy Butler on track 2 and his very >> musical use of such a wide range of loop techniques. (Andy's new cd is >> awesome also.) Can't wait to hear the rest of this.... >> >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/cd/LoopersDelightCDs.html >> >> kim >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 21:53:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D873F3BEFA; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tKEiuWN1dZ7MkNwQ6NDYUvIRSBcf01Xnb60+nQ/kS/bgrsMPfd3sl3jMLK6HGQjp; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:51:47 -0800 Subject: Re: do they know? From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051228124809.0b227180@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48645963db2e85f2f7462e970b151cf3593788860f0b40a802350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.0.233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:53:04 +0000 (UTC) i would love to own this cd and pay the 2005 price as advertised... but i DONT use paypal...is there another way to purchace Vol.3? thanks if there is s on 12/28/05 12:55 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I think a great place to start is the Looper's Delight Compilation CDs! I > just finally retrieved my copy of Vol 3 from the post office this morning, > and I'm listening now. (thanks Sunao!) It's so exciting to hear all this > great music. Zoe's opening track just finished (powerful, and > extraordinary!) and now I'm on to Andy Butler on track 2 and his very > musical use of such a wide range of loop techniques. (Andy's new cd is > awesome also.) Can't wait to hear the rest of this.... > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cd/LoopersDelightCDs.html > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 22:02:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 873833BEF8; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GL12eM/gVvktuLZYwqXkvoP7P9eWjLj/GoEfEmMoJtxn6ARrG1mWyCZ5CiTq2mpKe58+Z60ibbeCtP0VQGFhMS4hIG7oheKsEOQlixkly88C1WHNOyZYQ3R9tFRgWX7gBLU3/+bmoM5UqTDHULgNkNb8D7CespGSjUuzprvArcY= ; Message-ID: <20051228220230.40968.qmail@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:02:30 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: OT - Climate Changes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004801c60bc2$e10fae20$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-777049693-1135807350=:40822" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:02:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-777049693-1135807350=:40822 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well when ya busk on a bicycle...winter-times a time of dreamy soundscapes at home,snug as a bug...nicely toasted n roasted...exploring the infinite... till cabin fever sets in... all work and no play makes dan a dull boy all work and no play makes dan a dull boy all work (insane psychobabble) a dull boy Tony K wrote: > Maybe this can lead to a discussion of how weather effects our creativity. I find that I like to 'get creative' and play when it's sort of dreary - rainy, snowy, dark. But not so much when it's bright and sunny. Might be because I like to play dark and dreary things. ;) If it's sunny I want to be outside doing something fun, like fishing or walking or anything but be in my studio. I was watching some programs about last years tsunami and apparently the earthquake also caused the earth to wobble and spin faster. Not much, a few thousanths of a second, but it changed. Gotta wonder what that kind of major event does to weather, currents, etc. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:03 AM Subject: OT: Climate Changes > This is so off topic as to defy rational justification > except that it affects many of the live loopers > in Western Europe and the British Isles: > > I was talking with Luis Angulo (who is here visiting his family > in San Diego from Northern Europe) and he told me that > they had 3 solid weeks without seeing the sunshine in Radolfzell > (by the Boden Zee). I had also heard from Andy Butler mentioning > that England was having a particularly severe winter this year. > > Anyway, my wife found this fascinating flash demonstration of > why global warming is having the effect of much colder winters > for Western Europe and the British Isles. > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/flash/gulf_stream_climate.swf > > The Gulf Stream coming up from the equator actually raises the > air temperature of those regions by an astonishing 18 degrees Farhenheit > and 10 degrees Celsius. > > Researchers have discovered that the circulation of the currents have > slowed > a dismaying 30% over the last 12 years due to global warming trends. > > Maybe this can lead to a discussion of how weather effects our creativity. > > I've often wondered if Per Boysen, as an example, is more or less > creative/prolific > when there is very little sun in the winter or when there is a lot of sun > in the summer. > > I know I write much, much more in the winter than in the summer. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-777049693-1135807350=:40822 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    well when ya busk on a bicycle...winter-times a time of dreamy soundscapes at home,snug as a bug...nicely toasted n roasted...exploring the infinite...
    till cabin fever sets in...
    all work and no play makes dan a dull boy
    all work and no play makes dan a dull boy
    all work (insane psychobabble)  a dull boy

    Tony K <bigtony@softhome.net> wrote:
    > Maybe this can lead to a discussion of how weather effects our creativity.

    I find that I like to 'get creative' and play when it's sort of dreary -
    rainy, snowy, dark. But not so much when it's bright and sunny. Might be
    because I like to play dark and dreary things. ;) If it's sunny I want to
    be outside doing something fun, like fishing or walking or anything but be
    in my studio.

    I was watching some programs about last years tsunami and apparently the
    earthquake also caused the earth to wobble and spin faster. Not much, a few
    thousanths of a second, but it changed. Gotta wonder what that kind of
    major event does to weather, currents, etc.

    Tony

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "loop.pool"
    To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)"
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:03 AM
    Subject: OT: Climate Changes


    > This is so off topic as to defy rational justification
    > except that it affects many of the live loopers
    > in Western Europe and the British Isles:
    >
    > I was talking with Luis Angulo (who is here visiting his family
    > in San Diego from Northern Europe) and he told me that
    > they had 3 solid weeks without seeing the sunshine in Radolfzell
    > (by the Boden Zee). I had also heard from Andy Butler mentioning
    > that England was having a particularly severe winter this year.
    >
    > Anyway, my wife found this fascinating flash demonstration of
    > why global warming is having the effect of much colder winters
    > for Western Europe and the British Isles.
    >
    > http://www.guardian.co.uk/flash/gulf_stream_climate.swf
    >
    > The Gulf Stream coming up from the equator actually raises the
    > air temperature of those regions by an astonishing 18 degrees Farhenheit
    > and 10 degrees Celsius.
    >
    > Researchers have discovered that the circulation of the currents have
    > slowed
    > a dismaying 30% over the last 12 years due to global warming trends.
    >
    > Maybe this can lead to a discussion of how weather effects our creativity.
    >
    > I've often wondered if Per Boysen, as an example, is more or less
    > creative/prolific
    > when there is very little sun in the winter or when there is a lot of sun
    > in the summer.
    >
    > I know I write much, much more in the winter than in the summer.


    Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-777049693-1135807350=:40822-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 22:55:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1758B3BEEA; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAPCjskOCFIU1AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051228225020.028095e0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:51:21 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Re:Dark Age In-Reply-To: <20051228153851.E7C0E3BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051228153851.E7C0E3BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <49rnOD.A.dnC.EfxsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:55:01 +0000 (UTC) >When interpreting it from a musical (not a technical) angle, how dark are >these times, then? > >Stephen well, we have "The Darkness" andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 23:08:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 221B93BEE4; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SpDHXF7Qnf316seyKSITHF0XOsa7HoOEklemZHFAJO7gdku7vB9nGSp774n/hxf3O6V0SnmGRE6HA4FGgW64F5U5Z7Ty8kSBtmYJ4Mx3RYaWjR1y+GAjzZQXjVS0uHZed3g4Yn1n60PUhIA+9nFN62l7gYw+KnXtyl6drfNEu6M= Message-ID: <26ba8d120512281508p7d97e756kf807613436317a60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:08:07 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <079d01c60bef$27cf3ca0$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:08:10 +0000 (UTC) I just tried it on a Mac with firefox.. works for me! On 12/28/05, todd reynolds wrote: > Nope, copying in the url doesn't work either. Is there a chance there i= s > something wrong with the url?? > > T. > > > > > On 12/28/05 3:42 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > > > > http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID= =3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- > "Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad" - Trevor Exter > > "Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the > creative part of sound" - Ornette Coleman > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------- > Todd Reynolds > 42-09 47th Ave 1C > Sunnyside, NY 11104 > > Ph. 718 392-3773 > Mob. 917 576-6166 > Fax 419 781-5502 > > http://www.toddreynolds.com > > > todd@toddreynolds.com > 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) > AIM ID: toddreyn > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 23:08:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60DCF3BEF1; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01d101c60c03$9e8fd7a0$6401a8c0@Davidportable> From: "David O'Heare" To: References: <002001c60bc4$ba5695d0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <008a01c60bc7$d9b96080$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> <014101c60bdd$74743a90$0207a8c0@eluk1> <071801c60be5$48335da0$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:08:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CE_01C60BD9.B4DDA070" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:08:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01C60BD9.B4DDA070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had to copy and paste this link, but it finally worked for me. Cool = stuff, Kris, kinda spooky. Dave O'H ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth How about this link: = http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID= =3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Actually Google Earth works just fine on my machine. I was = commenting about the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's page, which = effectively prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he did. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony K=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 16:00 PM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ same basic principle. It installs then downloads the pictures as = needed. lots of fun. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Once again, not visible for the Java code, even with popups = enabled. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 00:10 AM Subject: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I = integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could = make some of us loopers feel more connected and informed on our = whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely = mind blowing. Check this out: = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created using = Google Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house in Boise, = Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, = using sattelite imagery. I could have zoomed in instead of out, but I = had a more difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping = between altitudes (probably because it was merging separate satteline = feeds). But you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet = Earth, down to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and everything. The = exact location of the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" = N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were = to copy this location into the Google Earth search box. More info on Google Earth... http://earth.google.com/ Kris ------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01C60BD9.B4DDA070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I had to copy and paste this link, but = it finally=20 worked for me.  Cool stuff, Kris, kinda spooky.
     
    Dave O'H
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, = 2005 2:31=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house = to 38=20 miles above the earth

    How about this link: http://box.net/index= .php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID=3D3e066020d= cd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Stephen Goodman
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, = 2005=20 11:35 AM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to 38=20 miles above the earth

    Actually Google Earth works just fine on my = machine. =20 I was commenting about the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's = page,=20 which effectively prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he=20 did.
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Tony=20 K
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 = December, 2005=20 16:00 PM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to 38=20 miles above the earth

    Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/
     
    same basic principle. It installs = then=20 downloads the pictures as needed.  lots of fun.
     
    Tony
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Stephen Goodman =
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, December = 28, 2005=20 10:38 AM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to=20 38 miles above the earth

    Once again, not visible for the Java code, = even with=20 popups enabled.
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Kris Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 = December,=20 2005 00:10 AM
    Subject: Zoom from my = house to 38=20 miles above the earth

    This doesn't have a lot to do = with=20 looping, except that I integrated part of my Y2K5 performance = with=20 this video, and it could make some of us loopers feel more = connected=20 and informed on our whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth = and I=20 think it is absolutely mind blowing.
     
     
    It is a video (with loop = music over=20 it) that I created using Google Earth. It starts at about = 100=20 feet above my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, and zooms out to = about 38=20 miles outside the planet Earth, using sattelite imagery.  = I could=20 have zoomed in instead of out, but I had a more difficult time = controlling the speed, and it was jumping between altitudes = (probably=20 because it was merging separate satteline feeds). But you'll = at least=20 get a feel of where I am on the planet Earth, down to the top = of my=20 roof, driveway, yard, and everything.   The exact = location=20 of the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by = 116=20 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you = were=20 to copy this location into the Google Earth search=20 box.
     
    More info on Google = Earth...
     
    http://earth.google.com/
     
    Kris
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01C60BD9.B4DDA070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 23:11:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE9243BEFB; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <07b701c60bf1$4727c390$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> <07b701c60bf1$4727c390$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:10:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:11:16 +0000 (UTC) On 28 dec 2005, at 21.57, Kris Hartung wrote: > ADA MC-1 MIDI pedal > http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/pedals/ADA-MC-1.htm > What would it take to modify one of these to send notes? Have you looked into using a laptop to transform the MIDI messages? Since I incorporated Ableton Live into my looping rig I rarely program any gear at all - I simply press MIDI learn and step on it ;-) The ADA is looking very nice. I would guess it is a little less heavy compared to a FCB1010 - correct? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 23:17:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D88B3BEF4; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JZxj9PaxBFLF1OOT0VtJLpOlbWff+XkK42aVMubyBY4OF6uc0nbutHUyJYX3IvJ5HOyYgw1mMzL+qpLnKjPH/ycPvI8M1/Qji4vpIjmxBH//XOLB1EWDW+eVrScZdkV6afRFSeoKNTTSPrEI0Klgf/Mq4PGlXv2E3UKvd9LeOqg= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:17:15 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> <07b701c60bf1$4727c390$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:17:16 +0000 (UTC) I've had one of these for years, which I believe is the same as the MC-1, just with a different layout which I find easier to integrate into my stage layout: http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/pedals/ADA-MPC.htm Alas, it also does only program changes. TravisH On 12/28/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On 28 dec 2005, at 21.57, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > ADA MC-1 MIDI pedal > > http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/pedals/ADA-MC-1.htm > > What would it take to modify one of these to send notes? > > > Have you looked into using a laptop to transform the MIDI messages? > Since I incorporated Ableton Live into my looping rig I rarely > program any gear at all - I simply press MIDI learn and step on it ;-) > > The ADA is looking very nice. I would guess it is a little less > heavy compared to a FCB1010 - correct? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 23:24:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7CDF3BEF9; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004801c60c05$d0ad35a0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> <07b701c60bf1$4727c390$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:24:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 423, in=186457, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Oh yes, it is definitely less heavy than the Behringer...but there is still the issue of it not sending note data. What a drag. K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:10 PM Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal > On 28 dec 2005, at 21.57, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > ADA MC-1 MIDI pedal > > http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/pedals/ADA-MC-1.htm > > What would it take to modify one of these to send notes? > > > Have you looked into using a laptop to transform the MIDI messages? > Since I incorporated Ableton Live into my looping rig I rarely > program any gear at all - I simply press MIDI learn and step on it ;-) > > The ADA is looking very nice. I would guess it is a little less > heavy compared to a FCB1010 - correct? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 23:28:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8622E3BF0B; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005001c60c06$5ea693b0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> <07b701c60bf1$4727c390$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:28:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 88, in=52657, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:28:18 +0000 (UTC) I like that one even better! It's like taking the MC-1, cutting it in half, and rejoining it...still the damn note send problem through. Too bad there isn't some small device that will convert program change numbers to note changes. Per, to your question on generating MIDI changes with the laptop, yes I could do that too. A really simple and GUI to do that would be my desire. I'd use my MIDI mate to get the changes to my VF1. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal I've had one of these for years, which I believe is the same as the MC-1, just with a different layout which I find easier to integrate into my stage layout: http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/pedals/ADA-MPC.htm Alas, it also does only program changes. TravisH On 12/28/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On 28 dec 2005, at 21.57, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > ADA MC-1 MIDI pedal > > http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/pedals/ADA-MC-1.htm > > What would it take to modify one of these to send notes? > > > Have you looked into using a laptop to transform the MIDI messages? > Since I incorporated Ableton Live into my looping rig I rarely > program any gear at all - I simply press MIDI learn and step on it ;-) > > The ADA is looking very nice. I would guess it is a little less > heavy compared to a FCB1010 - correct? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 23:35:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B390C3BEF0; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <004801c60c05$d0ad35a0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> <07b701c60bf1$4727c390$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c60c05$d0ad35a0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:35:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:35:18 +0000 (UTC) On 29 dec 2005, at 00.24, Kris Hartung wrote: > Oh yes, it is definitely less heavy than the Behringer...but there > is still > the issue of it not sending note data. What a drag. I'm mostly using a laptop with my looping gear, so I wouldn't hesitate pick up secondhand ADA MC-1, or rather the more compact ADA MPC, on a nice price ;-) I could route the ADA into Ableton Live and trig MIDI clips that send note data to my EDP or whatever. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 23:39:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11D163BEE7; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> <07b701c60bf1$4727c390$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c60c05$d0ad35a0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <90EC541F-2A14-451B-A016-77E5FED7974F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:39:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Anyone tried this one? http://www.thomann.de/thoiw5_rocktron_midi_xchange_prodinfo.html per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 28 23:58:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00AD23BF02; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b101c60c0a$b98fe7a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <002001c60bc4$ba5695d0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <008a01c60bc7$d9b96080$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> <014101c60bdd$74743a90$0207a8c0@eluk1> <071801c60be5$48335da0$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:59:21 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C60C0A.B87B4350" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:58:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C60C0A.B87B4350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At's-a nice! Remote-sounding, almost invoking HG Wells' words about = "regarding this planet with a cold eye". One of these days Google will = have sharper photos - and morphing will be a cool way to transition, hm? Might I offer something via the Zed site? http://zed.cbc.ca/go?~tabbedContent~tab=3DContent%20Tab&CONTENT_ID=3D2184= 54&c=3DcontentPage&page=3Dcontent&user=3Dspgoodman Scroll down to "Galaxies in Collision". :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 19:31 PM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth How about this link: = http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID= =3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Actually Google Earth works just fine on my machine. I was = commenting about the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's page, which = effectively prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he did. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony K=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 16:00 PM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ same basic principle. It installs then downloads the pictures as = needed. lots of fun. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Once again, not visible for the Java code, even with popups = enabled. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 00:10 AM Subject: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I = integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could = make some of us loopers feel more connected and informed on our = whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely = mind blowing. Check this out: = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created using = Google Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house in Boise, = Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, = using sattelite imagery. I could have zoomed in instead of out, but I = had a more difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping = between altitudes (probably because it was merging separate satteline = feeds). But you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet = Earth, down to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and everything. The = exact location of the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" = N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were = to copy this location into the Google Earth search box. More info on Google Earth... http://earth.google.com/ Kris ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C60C0A.B87B4350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    At's-a nice!  Remote-sounding, almost invoking = HG Wells'=20 words about "regarding this planet with a cold eye".  One of these = days=20 Google will have sharper photos - and morphing will be a cool way to = transition,=20 hm?
     
    Might I offer something via the Zed = site?
    http://zed.cbc.ca/go?~tabbedContent~tab=3DContent%20Tab&CONTENT_ID= =3D218454&c=3DcontentPage&page=3Dcontent&user=3Dspgoodman=
     
    Scroll down to "Galaxies in Collision". = :)
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, = 2005 19:31=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house = to 38=20 miles above the earth

    How about this link: http://box.net/index= .php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID=3D3e066020d= cd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Stephen Goodman
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, = 2005=20 11:35 AM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to 38=20 miles above the earth

    Actually Google Earth works just fine on my = machine. =20 I was commenting about the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's = page,=20 which effectively prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he=20 did.
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Tony=20 K
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 = December, 2005=20 16:00 PM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to 38=20 miles above the earth

    Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/
     
    same basic principle. It installs = then=20 downloads the pictures as needed.  lots of fun.
     
    Tony
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Stephen Goodman =
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, December = 28, 2005=20 10:38 AM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to=20 38 miles above the earth

    Once again, not visible for the Java code, = even with=20 popups enabled.
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Kris Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 = December,=20 2005 00:10 AM
    Subject: Zoom from my = house to 38=20 miles above the earth

    This doesn't have a lot to do = with=20 looping, except that I integrated part of my Y2K5 performance = with=20 this video, and it could make some of us loopers feel more = connected=20 and informed on our whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth = and I=20 think it is absolutely mind blowing.
     
     
    It is a video (with loop = music over=20 it) that I created using Google Earth. It starts at about = 100=20 feet above my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, and zooms out to = about 38=20 miles outside the planet Earth, using sattelite imagery.  = I could=20 have zoomed in instead of out, but I had a more difficult time = controlling the speed, and it was jumping between altitudes = (probably=20 because it was merging separate satteline feeds). But you'll = at least=20 get a feel of where I am on the planet Earth, down to the top = of my=20 roof, driveway, yard, and everything.   The exact = location=20 of the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" N by = 116=20 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you = were=20 to copy this location into the Google Earth search=20 box.
     
    More info on Google = Earth...
     
    http://earth.google.com/
     
    Kris
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C60C0A.B87B4350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 00:18:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9F573BF07; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Native Instruments Pro-53 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:18:39 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c60c0d$6c47c9b0$0fa9a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4da521c071c82945b973a6ca3b38b419@modaldub.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYL7MFOKIAKUNgXSqKrkuPXJPrK0AAHtCKA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, I didn't test it in depth, only more or less superficially (which = included programming some sounds myself and even using it at live shows), and I haven't worked with the "original", but here's my super-short review: As you mentioned, the Pro53 is not extremely flexible, rather more = optimized for a specific task. And I personally would not like to use this to "improvise over something" (in the traditional sense, i.e. playing a = more or less melodic pad which is more or less fast-paced) and see the strenghts = of this instruments in analogue-sounding pads and really weird creations. For both of the latter applications, the thing works quite well (again, within its "theme"). You quickly get a feel for the dials (which in the applications I had mapped to the controllers of a Q) and their effect, including how far you can go before it will sound crazy. Regarding = stability and runtime, it's on the standard I've come to expect from similar = products (read: NI stuff): low and (more importantly) steady system load and no acting up that I can remember. abstract: a nice soft synth, which can both give you what you want and = take you places you never thought of going, but not the kind of synth I'd use = for improvising over loops (again, see above for a further specification to = this term). Rainer=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: 3nki [mailto:3nki@modaldub.net]=20 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Dezember 2005 21:24 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Native Instruments Pro-53 hello, as a long time user of a Sequential Circuits Six-Trak, i am considering=20 buying NI's Pro-53 and making it my main (soft)synth. the demo sounds=20 good, and i like that it follows the original philosophy of doing a few=20 things and doing them well, as opposed to being a giant toolbox where=20 nothing works together intuitively and the whole package is hard to=20 grasp at once. for me, when Eno talked about instruments needing "more=20 Africa in them" this is what he meant, something that is limited and=20 works really well in a coherent, "themed", fashion. my Six-Trak has=20 been a great live improv instrument to me for almost twenty years=20 now... so, has anyone had a chance to use the Pro-53 extensively? any=20 impressions on its sound, flexibility, stability, etc.? i'm planning on=20 using it to improvise over a bed of loops in radiaL. thanks, jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 00:33:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0A813BF04; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:40:16 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech To: Message-id: <000801c60c10$7044b980$1ccda344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051228191757.96316.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:33:40 +0000 (UTC) So, this is to say the Loop Station RC 20 XL is better than the Jamman Digitech?? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joss Turnbull" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech > ... thanks Per > thats good to know! I need something for dynamic Live > looping. > I`ll search for this Lexicon Jamman ;-) > > joss > > > --- Per Boysen schrieb: > > > On 28 dec 2005, at 19.30, Joss Turnbull wrote: > > > > > Loop Station RC 20 XL and > > > Jamman from Digitech > > > > > > I was sent a Digi Jamman to write a review of it. > > After playing with > > it for an hour I had to tell the rep I'm sending it > > back and skipping > > over the job, "to help sales" ;-) From time to time > > I have been > > playing with the original Jamman, from Lexicon, and > > this new "Jamman" > > is completely different. Not at all suitable for > > dynamic live looping > > I would say, but maybe of interest for someone who > > intend to learn to > > play certain musical parts over a static background? > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 00:41:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7D853BF00; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007601c60c10$8e5dcd80$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <002001c60bc4$ba5695d0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <008a01c60bc7$d9b96080$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> <014101c60bdd$74743a90$0207a8c0@eluk1> <071801c60be5$48335da0$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00b101c60c0a$b98fe7a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:41:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C60BD5.E15FF660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 426, in=202174, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:41:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C60BD5.E15FF660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very nice. It amost has an underwater movement character to it...maybe = that's what happens when you show a simulated time lapse video that is = 100 trillion times faster than normal time flow. :)=20 I love ZeD. I need to go out and update my content on their site. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth At's-a nice! Remote-sounding, almost invoking HG Wells' words about = "regarding this planet with a cold eye". One of these days Google will = have sharper photos - and morphing will be a cool way to transition, hm? Might I offer something via the Zed site? = http://zed.cbc.ca/go?~tabbedContent~tab=3DContent%20Tab&CONTENT_ID=3D2184= 54&c=3DcontentPage&page=3Dcontent&user=3Dspgoodman Scroll down to "Galaxies in Collision". :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 19:31 PM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth How about this link: = http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID= =3D3e066020dcd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Actually Google Earth works just fine on my machine. I was = commenting about the implementation of Java on K. Hartung's page, which = effectively prevents one from seeing or hearing the work he did. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony K=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 16:00 PM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ same basic principle. It installs then downloads the pictures as = needed. lots of fun. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth Once again, not visible for the Java code, even with popups = enabled. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 00:10 AM Subject: Zoom from my house to 38 miles above the earth This doesn't have a lot to do with looping, except that I = integrated part of my Y2K5 performance with this video, and it could = make some of us loopers feel more connected and informed on our = whereabouts, but I discovered Google Earth and I think it is absolutely = mind blowing. Check this out: = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1826462.html It is a video (with loop music over it) that I created using = Google Earth. It starts at about 100 feet above my house in Boise, = Idaho, USA, and zooms out to about 38 miles outside the planet Earth, = using sattelite imagery. I could have zoomed in instead of out, but I = had a more difficult time controlling the speed, and it was jumping = between altitudes (probably because it was merging separate satteline = feeds). But you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet = Earth, down to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and everything. The = exact location of the center and top of my roof is 43 Degrees 37' 52.80" = N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, 116 13.03' W if you were = to copy this location into the Google Earth search box. More info on Google Earth... http://earth.google.com/ Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C60BD5.E15FF660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Very nice. It amost has an underwater = movement=20 character to it...maybe that's what happens when you show a simulated = time lapse=20 video that is 100 trillion times faster than normal time flow. :) =
     
    I love ZeD. I need to go out and update = my content=20 on their site.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Stephen Goodman
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, December 28, = 2005 4:59=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my house = to 38=20 miles above the earth

    At's-a nice!  Remote-sounding, almost = invoking HG=20 Wells' words about "regarding this planet with a cold eye".  One = of these=20 days Google will have sharper photos - and morphing will be a cool way = to=20 transition, hm?
     
    Might I offer something via the Zed = site?
    http://zed.cbc.ca/go?~tabbedContent~tab=3DContent%20Tab&CONTENT_ID= =3D218454&c=3DcontentPage&page=3Dcontent&user=3Dspgoodman=
     
    Scroll down to "Galaxies in Collision". = :)
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, = 2005=20 19:31 PM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to 38=20 miles above the earth

    How about this link: http://box.net/index= .php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D1826462&PHPSESSID=3D3e066020d= cd3b2ea8d76892b84e8a3ea
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Stephen Goodman =
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, December = 28, 2005=20 11:35 AM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to 38=20 miles above the earth

    Actually Google Earth works just fine on my=20 machine.  I was commenting about the implementation of Java = on K.=20 Hartung's page, which effectively prevents one from seeing or = hearing the=20 work he did.
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Tony=20 K
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 = December, 2005=20 16:00 PM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from my = house to=20 38 miles above the earth

    Check out this program then, http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/
     
    same basic principle. It = installs then=20 downloads the pictures as needed.  lots of = fun.
     
    Tony
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20     Stephen Goodman =
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, = December 28,=20 2005 10:38 AM
    Subject: Re: Zoom from = my house=20 to 38 miles above the earth

    Once again, not visible for the Java code, = even with=20 popups enabled.
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Kris Hartung =
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, 28 = December,=20 2005 00:10 AM
    Subject: Zoom from my = house to=20 38 miles above the earth

    This doesn't have a lot to = do with=20 looping, except that I integrated part of my Y2K5 = performance with=20 this video, and it could make some of us loopers feel more = connected=20 and informed on our whereabouts, but I discovered Google = Earth and I=20 think it is absolutely mind blowing.
     
     
    It is a video (with loop = music over=20 it) that I created using Google Earth. It starts at = about 100=20 feet above my house in Boise, Idaho, USA, and zooms out to = about 38=20 miles outside the planet Earth, using sattelite = imagery.  I=20 could have zoomed in instead of out, but I had a more = difficult time=20 controlling the speed, and it was jumping between altitudes=20 (probably because it was merging separate satteline feeds). = But=20 you'll at least get a feel of where I am on the planet = Earth, down=20 to the top of my roof, driveway, yard, and = everything.  =20 The exact location of the center and top of my roof is 43 = Degrees=20 37' 52.80" N by 116 Degrees 13' 03.98" W, OR 43 37.528' N, = 116=20 13.03' W if you were to copy this location into the = Google=20 Earth search box.
     
    More info on Google=20 Earth...
     
    http://earth.google.com/
     
    Kris
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C60BD5.E15FF660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 00:41:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 936F63BEEC; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:41:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <6020A729-690E-4EBE-8729-3A74EEBD3064@boysen.se> Thread-Index: AcYL4UuRrNbMiir0RFSLw2NNQISKVAALx2Vw Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1ErlrR1Tb5-0006Sj@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Really? Did the rep defend or deny this? I'd really like to know who they made this thing for. With all of this free research material on Looper's Delight, and 1000s of actual Loopers, companies still try to second guess us. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com > > I was sent a Digi Jamman to write a review of it. After > playing with it for an hour I had to tell the rep I'm sending > it back and skipping over the job, "to help sales" ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 00:47:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 744403BF12; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OLQxRqwt+kp/f/HiHyGFc5YN/YYY60QQ77xPCf9VTuuQ5BB5ohUKnOnEGpqD5KUwWbSd6Y8CZAEu6rcU+eWE/GIln0TCnib8tt0lWDjAt1dJuSb8LJf+r4CbAKdmlbnmAOESGFNCDxPEl73V0Zu29OmKQu+QhmvpbEwhiID5HAg= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512281647g4040779eyfc77edb57aaebff3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:47:07 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech In-Reply-To: <6020A729-690E-4EBE-8729-3A74EEBD3064@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051228183052.96679.qmail@web26302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6020A729-690E-4EBE-8729-3A74EEBD3064@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:47:09 +0000 (UTC) On 12/28/05, Per Boysen wrote: > I was sent a Digi Jamman to write a review of it. After playing with > it for an hour I had to tell the rep I'm sending it back and skipping > over the job, "to help sales" ;-) From time to time I have been > playing with the original Jamman, from Lexicon, and this new "Jamman" > is completely different. Not at all suitable for dynamic live looping > I would say, but maybe of interest for someone who intend to learn to > play certain musical parts over a static background? I had an RC20XL and sold it on for similar reasons. With no feedback control and no way of saving the loop you've built without bending down and pressing little buttons (two issues it shares with the Digitech JamMan) it wasn't useful to me. The person who bought it off me loves it, however, so these things suit some people. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 00:47:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 285A23BF19; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eKua5jyJr8rLRc907cnJbYi6Yu7xPZ3HeVXqiZcKYTMsfVy9HTAHdYaU6gM25+MdiUkeApoGU2YzuYWctF+Dj8V4RTixg+SIM0Wyp/tM3YN3fYGEaQZ8R9FdUqN1UgtGvkiBNuyyxP1Dm0uSwNkmMfl7oPYHGz0UGtDr0ER3qIk= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512281647i67be4478r422f800de638c25b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:47:51 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech In-Reply-To: <000801c60c10$7044b980$1ccda344@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051228191757.96316.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <000801c60c10$7044b980$1ccda344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:47:52 +0000 (UTC) On 12/29/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > So, this is to say the Loop Station RC 20 XL is better than the Jamman > Digitech?? Not better, the same. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 00:53:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E0DA3BF0D; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001e01c60c12$e1f7dce0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20051228191757.96316.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <000801c60c10$7044b980$1ccda344@hppav> Subject: Ableton/Reaktor Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:57:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Well, after much futzing and frustration, I finally got this setup working the way I want. I like Ableton a lot, but I wanted a way to automate the steps with a sequencer that could be advanced to the next step with just one pedal, like what I did purely inside standalone Reaktor before. So today I figured out how to make a Reaktor sequencer inside Ableton drive Ableton's remote control using the MIDI loopback trick from this article: http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.asp?sectioncode=32&storycode=12143 So you can do sequences of steps like this: 1. Play the drum loop from track 4 slot 1 only. 2. Continue playing tha0t drum loop while recording from the audio inputs into track 1 slot 1 and track 2 slot 1. 3. Hit a crash cymbal, play a new drum loop from Track 4 slot 2, and begin recording MIDI from the keyboard into Track 3 (a MIDI track with NI's B4 organ) slot 2. 4. Keep playing the second drum loop and play back the organ recording while letting the guitar through the audio input for soloing. ..etc. Pretty cool. Better than having the entire structure set in stone, because you can let each step go on as long as you feel like. I'm psyched, this will also make for a really cool Continuum demo at NAMM. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 00:57:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 036053BF1C; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Feedback is crucial (was Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:57:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYMEUPplVIIys86SKadldZD0sB2mwAAQZ9A In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80512281647i67be4478r422f800de638c25b@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <20051229005703.TCQU15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:57:52 +0000 (UTC) I bet the new Digitech Jamman is better in some ways than the RC-20, but neither compares to a looper with fucking feedback control-- I want to own a delay with extended loop time (40-50 seconds is enough) and MIDI control of the feedback and loop time after the loop is closed. Multiply and windowing would be nice too--and heck, multiple tracks. Maybe some day . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech On 12/29/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > So, this is to say the Loop Station RC 20 XL is better than the Jamman > Digitech?? Not better, the same. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 01:03:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52AD53BF17; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:10:32 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech To: Message-id: <000c01c60c14$aaa72dc0$1ccda344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051228191757.96316.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <000801c60c10$7044b980$1ccda344@hppav> <353e2ed80512281647i67be4478r422f800de638c25b@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Well, similar - but not the same. Here are many "words" about the devices -- I'm still curious to hear from someone who actually has both devices and can offer opinions based on that. 1) The Digitech http://www.digitech.com/products/JamMan/JamMan.htm When we invented the PDS8000 pedal almost twenty years ago, it stored eight seconds of audio. Now we've reinvented it using removable CompactFlashT memory to store up to 6.5 hours*! A wide range of features combined with ease of use make the DigiTech® JamMan® the perfect looper/phrase sampler for practicing, composing, and performing. The JamMan opens up new horizons to your musical explorations. The possibilities are literally endless, endless, endless.! Save up to 99 independent loops at one time. Store over 24 minutes of looping time on the included CompactFlash card. Upgrade to a 2GB card to store up to 6.5 hours of audio! Connect to your computer via USB and never lose another loop ever again! Record rhythm loops and solo over them on the fly, completely Hands-FreeT. Load up the JamMan with bass lines, drums, harmonies, and more; create an entire backup band. Slow down or speed up any song without changing pitch to master that tricky riff. *With optional 2GB card http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Content/DigiTech/PR/JamMan.html DigiTech Introduces JamMan Looper/Phrase Sampler Includes a Compact Flash card with storage for over 24 minutes of record time and 99 loops, USB connectivity, an XLR microphone input, power supply, 44.1 kHz CD-quality audio plus a full six-year warranty July 24, 2005 Almost two decades ago DigiTech developed the PDS 8000 pedal for loop-based audio performance. Now DigiTech takes looping from the original 8-second volatile recording memory of the PDS 8000 straight into the 21st century with the innovative JamMan pedal, which is capable of saving up to 6.5 hours of loops and sample phrases. The JamMan Looper/Phrase Sampler is an effects processor dedicated to loop creation, manipulation, playback and overdubbing, based on the classic Lexicon JamMan rackmount effect. The new JamMan offers tremendous loop capabilities at resolutions up to CD-quality 44.1 kHz in a compact, easy-to-use stompbox format specially tailored to the needs of guitarists and performing musicians. The DigiTech JamMan is equipped with a full complement of input and output connections. Inputs include a low-impedance XLR jack, along with a 1/4" instrument-level jack, each with a dedicated level control. A 1/8" Aux Input jack can accept signals from external sources such as CD or MP3 players. A 1/4" output (compatible with amps, mixers or headphones) is provided, as is a USB port for connecting the JamMan to a computer -- this allows the JamMan to serve as a Compact Flash card reader, as well as enabling loop WAV data to be transferred to and from a computer for unlimited archiving of material. An optional FSX3 footswitch can be connected to the footswitch jack for controlling loop select up and down, as well as the loop auto-recording arming function for complete Hands-Free use. Loops can be recorded using any of the inputs, and unlimited overdubs can be added to any loop; overdubs can be erased, and there is one level of undo/redo available. Auto Record allows the JamMan to begin recording as soon as it detects signal at its input. When recording from the Aux Input, three additional record modes are available for creating backing tracks and loops: Center Cancel removes any material that is common to the left and right channels -- material panned to the center (usually this would be lead vocal or solo instruments). In Full Range Simulation mode, an EQ curve is applied to the incoming Aux Input audio; the curve allows full-range audio to be played back through a guitar amp/speaker with sound more like a hi-fi recording. In Center Cancel and Full Range Sim mode, both center cancellation and equalization are applied to the Aux Input signal. 2) Loop Station RC 20 XL http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/ Realtime Phrase Recording and Sampling Whether for use onstage or at home, the new RC-20XL will add depth and excitement to your performances by allowing you to layer phrases in real time - as many stacks as you like until you fill up the 16 minutes of ample recording space on the RC-20XL. Explore the expressive options of sound-on-sound performance by layering your own phrases to create a massive "one-person band" experience. Build the ultimate solo, and do it all live in real time. - Super long recording time: up to 16 minutes! - Save up to 11 loops at a time - Undo function makes it easy to create perfect loops - Built-in auto quantize for simple and accurate loop timing - Change loop tempo without changing pitch - Footswitchable loop select (with optional FS-5U/FS-6) Loopers-Delight reviews: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/RC20/boss-rc20.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Morton" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech On 12/29/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > So, this is to say the Loop Station RC 20 XL is better than the Jamman > Digitech?? Not better, the same. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 01:21:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C59663BF13; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:21:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PcuMWAgCByD4vRNA/cmnFTSV1DzhbQvAHz2RY1pO5qAXKcPojCYiF8bZzLB7rQl0k2cL7Z19ZieHlDLtGmZKMEQbLlctcpmTsIOSvxp5+gkXeTTOCc2ShheIfcYEfgpQnAY718EAfjjgcnz4MFRtZ/2ewZDL5ehKGaITWwtE2xE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:20:59 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal In-Reply-To: <90EC541F-2A14-451B-A016-77E5FED7974F@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <52610.24.23.212.71.1135795913.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <5A1406C7-A9F9-4C79-99CF-94A3D7557285@zoekeating.com> <07b701c60bf1$4727c390$4fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c60c05$d0ad35a0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <90EC541F-2A14-451B-A016-77E5FED7974F@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: <2u3OaD.A.RAB.-nzsDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:21:02 +0000 (UTC) I think that one just does program chances plus one CC message. TravisH On 12/28/05, Per Boysen wrote: > Anyone tried this one? > http://www.thomann.de/thoiw5_rocktron_midi_xchange_prodinfo.html > > per > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 01:59:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BF8A3BF0A; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Re: Re:Dark Age Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:59:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051228225020.028095e0@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:59:27 +0000 (UTC) my personal fave, single handedly bring back stripped spandex. Bill -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: Re:Dark Age >When interpreting it from a musical (not a technical) angle, how dark are >these times, then? > >Stephen well, we have "The Darkness" andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 02:09:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B070E3BF15; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: OT: Climate Changes Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:09:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3296B492-F413-4FCF-BF8A-77A0D182761B@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:09:25 +0000 (UTC) I was able to observe Mr Boysen in late august and if his winter months are anything like his summer months the man must be a creative dynamo! Not only that, he is extremely polite, having put up with the chainsaw-esque snoring of my brother and I for four days. bill -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Climate Changes On 28 dec 2005, at 10.03, loop.pool wrote: > I've often wondered if Per Boysen, as an example, is more or less > creative/prolific > when there is very little sun in the winter or when there is a lot > of sun in the summer. Periodically I've been able to watch the guy closely, but I was never able to detect any significant relation between those variables. He seems to be putting most of his creative energies into working out strategies that will allow him to be creative. These pseudo creative activities just go on and on in a subjective universe, lacking parameters for "climate", "weather" or "time". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 02:09:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B108B3BF23; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SKTkUva+eTTC5sB39zW/rNilsVv15l353g09iwyczZ3TM83F3po0FTe3vzNiR+NpWQZWxTI9JQwAzxBXQv16iAA4f8/RazAjT2ezIduhF5tHZI/3dH05eLOTSNv4u4JLWXKZTVaxUqk1YaEsCg7FjwO3U0XTbRht3q4QP7A936c= ; Message-ID: <20051229020924.16049.qmail@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:09:24 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1917173644-1135822164=:15851" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:09:26 +0000 (UTC) --0-1917173644-1135822164=:15851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jesus Christ! This crowd is hard on the above "loopers". Are you telling me that no one is doing anything worth listening to with the above (or similar) because there's no feedback nor MIDI sync? Just as a matter of curiosity, what were the individual performers from the Y2K5 gig using as far as looping devices? Does anyone have that info broken out by performer? Regards, Butch --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-1917173644-1135822164=:15851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Jesus Christ! This crowd is hard on the above "loopers". Are you telling me that no one is doing anything worth listening to with the above (or similar) because there's no feedback nor MIDI sync?
     
    Just as a matter of curiosity, what were the individual performers from the Y2K5 gig using as far as looping devices? Does anyone have that info broken out by performer?
     
    Regards,
     
    Butch

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Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-1917173644-1135822164=:15851-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 02:28:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 936063BF1B; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:28:11 -0500 Message-ID: <010101c60c1f$8435ddc0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYMHPONX/RqA/ZPQyW6bECbHU0PwAAAi7KQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80512281647g4040779eyfc77edb57aaebff3@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:28:13 +0000 (UTC) I have one and I like it, but I have it on my desk and not on the floor. I use my hands to control it. I have enough delays with feedback control, I like it because it is a loop tool and not a delay. Tony -----Original Message----- From: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech On 12/28/05, Per Boysen wrote: > I was sent a Digi Jamman to write a review of it. After playing with > it for an hour I had to tell the rep I'm sending it back and skipping > over the job, "to help sales" ;-) From time to time I have been > playing with the original Jamman, from Lexicon, and this new "Jamman" > is completely different. Not at all suitable for dynamic live looping > I would say, but maybe of interest for someone who intend to learn to > play certain musical parts over a static background? I had an RC20XL and sold it on for similar reasons. With no feedback control and no way of saving the loop you've built without bending down and pressing little buttons (two issues it shares with the Digitech JamMan) it wasn't useful to me. The person who bought it off me loves it, however, so these things suit some people. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 02:33:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B7DD3BF10; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=iHnHyyoOWu358Tva0N6xx3ihF+ZpIcpMp4gUi2YcNWf0XSz87gmHLUt4NcVpiUm+; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051242923854330@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ring mods for kids! RE: against noise Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:38:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403dfd863ff56f94d6ffa37cf940738b81350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.122 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:33:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Kudos on buying her a ring mod. Good move! Next, find her a Bitrman and you're all set! ;-) ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Hamlin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/27/2005 9:49:37 PM Subject: RE: against noise This is no laughing matter, I am a responsible parent of two children. I am constantly shocked by the sickening stream of TRIADIC “music” that their peers are exposing them to. Is it possible that my 12 y.old can be cured of her addiction to reality TV karaoke singers & soap stars covering old hits let alone the cancer that is “rap”? I have bought her a ring modulator for her Daisy Rock guitar lest she may discover the righteous path. My only hope is for my younger daughter (7) who asks me to put on music that is “long and shouty” and used to shake her ass to Neu when she was still in nappies. -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: 28 December 2005 02:34 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: against noise Well done, Kris. Wishing You A Speedy Recovery, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/26/2005 9:07:01 PM Subject: Re: against noise Fanatical, fascists. Someone needs to build a counter-page called "People with Brains Against Idiots Who Can't Take Responsibility For Their Own Actions (would that be IWCTRFTOA?) :) This passage is particularly revealing: "Women, I ask you to PLEASE look in your son or daughters rooms and really take alook at the music and movies they are exposing themselves to. My husband and I are debating storngly about sending our son to seek some professional help. Right now I am very upset and do not know what to do. I do not want my son to become a pervert. I do not know how he got interested in this stuff at all. And I thought Marylin Manson was the sickest thing around. I am just sick to my stomache that things like this exist." I think she is the one who should seek professional help. Apparently, she can't spell either. What the paragraph should say is: "Women, please sit down with your husbands and assess how well you have raised your children to be decent human beings, with a healthy sense of values and respect for other human beings...if you've done your job and have spent any amount of quality time with your children rather than letting the media raise them, then you won't have to worry about what type of music they listen to...they will make the right decisions and take decent paths of action." K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: against noise > Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, or the downfall of > civilization, or something like that: > > http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/ > > My suggestion: Do whatever you can to get on her list. Great PR! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 4838 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    Kudos on buying her a ring mod.
    Good move!
    Next, find her a Bitrman and you're all set!
    ;-)
    ~Tim
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: 12/27/2005 9:49:37 PM
    Subject: RE: against noise

    This is no laughing matter, I am a responsible parent of two children. I am constantly shocked by the sickening stream of TRIADIC “music” that their peers are exposing them to. Is it possible that my 12 y.old can be cured of her addiction to reality TV karaoke singers & soap stars covering old hits let alone the cancer that is “rap”? I have bought her a ring modulator for her Daisy Rock guitar lest she may discover the righteous path. My only hope is for my younger daughter (7) who asks me to put on music that is “long and shouty” and used to shake her ass to Neu when she was still in nappies.

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]
    Sent: 28 December 2005 02:34
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: against noise

     

    Well done, Kris.

    Wishing You A Speedy Recovery,

    Tim

     

     

    ----- Original Message -----

    From: Kris Hartung

    Sent: 12/26/2005 9:07:01 PM

    Subject: Re: against noise

     

    Fanatical, fascists. Someone needs to build a counter-page called "People with Brains Against Idiots Who Can't Take Responsibility For Their Own Actions (would that be IWCTRFTOA?)  :)

     

    This passage is particularly revealing:

    "Women, I ask you to PLEASE look in your son or daughters rooms and really take alook at the music and movies they are exposing themselves to. My husband and I are debating storngly about sending our son to seek some professional help. Right now I am very upset and do not know what to do. I do not want my son to become a pervert. I do not know how he got interested in this stuff at all. And I thought Marylin Manson was the sickest thing around. I am just sick to my stomache that things like this exist."

    I think she is the one who should seek professional help. Apparently, she can't spell either. What the paragraph should say is: "Women, please sit down with your husbands and assess how well you have raised your children to be decent human beings, with a healthy sense of values and respect for other human beings...if you've done your job and have spent any amount of quality time with your children rather than letting the media raise them, then you won't have to worry about what type of music they listen to...they will make the right decisions and take decent paths of action."

     

    K-

     

     

    ----- Original Message -----

    From: "Kim Flint" <kflint@loopers-delight.com>

    Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 6:47 PM

    Subject: against noise

     

    > Apparently some of you are bringing on the apocalypse, or the downfall of
    > civilization, or something like that:
    >
    >     http://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/
    >
    > My suggestion: Do whatever you can to get on her list. Great PR!
    >
    > kim
    >
    >
    > ______________________________________________________________________
    > Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
    >     kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
    >
    >


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    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 02:39:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E55DF3BF16; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lkw/TwMe9synrMVwB73aU5MxIIbh2L04FUvUwibKSof6WQJcVnWQdE55GYYjffVqJAOuR7ou2SAKxgCLbtJ7E6kGsfAiZCWp9D7MT60ZOdlhPsnMlVWBzbMqB+nZKvb3LjkTPCumrxVVNQcNPvHzTj7yUB+NTgLFlBQzqZSExYQ= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:39:46 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity In-Reply-To: <20051229020924.16049.qmail@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051229020924.16049.qmail@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1hl8dD.A.gID.0x0sDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:39:48 +0000 (UTC) After years and years of discussion on desireable features for looping devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available information go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers. One can produce "something worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume settings--"off" and "on". Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker to make it quieter. TravisH On 12/28/05, Paul Richards wrote: > Jesus Christ! This crowd is hard on the above "loopers". Are you telling = me > that no one is doing anything worth listening to with the above (or simil= ar) > because there's no feedback nor MIDI sync? > > Just as a matter of curiosity, what were the individual performers from t= he > Y2K5 gig using as far as looping devices? Does anyone have that info brok= en > out by performer? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 02:47:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECEB53BF29; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ltJW3ye8BBr2VnmZx6DAUBzeSo7HEMUE/kXFTvBCCfOzn7/0bH174J2NGKu2MIAC; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005124292532970@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: m-audio plastic expression pedal Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:53:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9405465b7f0614dd188ac50697b2ef40012350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.122 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:47:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Howdy! Gear questions: are the new M-audio plastic expression pedals any good? Yes, they're cheap ($30), and light (so I'm told), but are they any good? Also, do continuous controllers and the Lexicon "cameltoe" footswitches really need "real" balanced TRS cables, or are there thinner, lighter, easier-to-handle cables made for the purpose? Thanks, Tim Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

    Howdy!
    Gear questions: are the new M-audio plastic expression pedals any good? Yes, they're cheap ($30), and light (so I'm told), but are they any good?
     
    Also, do continuous controllers and the Lexicon "cameltoe" footswitches really need "real" balanced TRS cables, or are there thinner, lighter, easier-to-handle cables made for the purpose?
     
    Thanks,
    Tim
     
    Timothy Mungenast
    Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
     

    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 05:57:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A71D3BEDC; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:57:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:54:08 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity In-Reply-To: <20051229020924.16049.qmail@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20051229020924.16049.qmail@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:57:26 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Paul Richards wrote: > Jesus Christ! This crowd is hard on the above "loopers". Are you telling me that no one is doing anything worth listening to with the above (or similar) because there's no feedback nor MIDI sync? I have, like, and use both the Digitech Jamman and Boss RC-20 LoopStation. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 10:21:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FFFF3BED9; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:21:25 +0100 Message-ID: <00b501c60c61$a2a80840$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:21:41 +0000 (UTC) This gives me an idea: Why don't we publish an open letter on the LD website specifically for manufacturers describing these required fundamental features. Along with = the frustration that the knowledge has been around for so long and still = doesn't get incorporated in new products. Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Donnerstag, 29. Dezember 2005 03:40 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity >=20 > After years and years of discussion on desireable features for looping > devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available information > go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers. One can produce "something > worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo > manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume > settings--"off" and "on". Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume > control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you > could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker to > make it quieter. >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 10:38:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51A1E3BED6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <000601c60c0d$6c47c9b0$0fa9a8c0@succubus> References: <000601c60c0d$6c47c9b0$0fa9a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <70B8708D-4BA0-463A-935A-A209264CF3A4@modaldub.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: AW: Native Instruments Pro-53 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:38:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-ContentStamp: 14:7:180107713 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g+qZWI0rFLK+bp/5hUqFtay8+ddHlyKIZ3AtYRE721lhRuACWxaZWQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.140.24.122|smtp02.nyc.untd.com|outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com|3nki@modaldub.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:38:51 +0000 (UTC) well, i used the Six-Track i had such that i was playing very minimal pitch information and modifying more the parameters of the sound in a slow rhythmic way, combined with a JamMan. the harmonic info came from the layers built up in the loop, so it wasnt so much traditional melodic style playing although i did have to keep what note info i was playing in mind so that it would sound alright in the 'compound loop', which can get quite dense. so, it seems the Pro-53 could rival its hardware progenitor in this regard, which would be nice. i noticed that the delay effect that comes built into it takes external audio for processing, or can sync to external midi (from something like radiaL for instance). i think i will check it out further ;) -jeff On Dec 28, 2005, at 4:18 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > As you mentioned, the Pro53 is not extremely flexible, rather more > optimized > for a specific task. And I personally would not like to use this to > "improvise over something" (in the traditional sense, i.e. playing > a more or > less melodic pad which is more or less fast-paced) and see the > strenghts of > this instruments in analogue-sounding pads and really weird creations. > > For both of the latter applications, the thing works quite well > (again, > within its "theme"). You quickly get a feel for the dials (which in > the > applications I had mapped to the controllers of a Q) and their effect, > including how far you can go before it will sound crazy. Regarding > stability > and runtime, it's on the standard I've come to expect from similar > products > (read: NI stuff): low and (more importantly) steady system load and no > acting up that I can remember. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 10:39:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F41AE3BEEC; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=I8mdQcLrLpbfBXsT2Qgg2WsZw/nUVYdisrnGV+LAcRk61z25i4SvvkrNpG1ddwzcx/89uTppcsqTStAhyQmovcxLDGbyfm6vFuCpeQLDiYTjqVI7RI1LxSK4Hgg+uztYSgtnS+2Kcz9ZwLTlbH1Vst0B1xMDhhYg97l0faYbXjM= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512290239q5c24abe1sa302edf0a362a64d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:39:03 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech In-Reply-To: <000c01c60c14$aaa72dc0$1ccda344@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051228191757.96316.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <000801c60c10$7044b980$1ccda344@hppav> <353e2ed80512281647i67be4478r422f800de638c25b@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c60c14$aaa72dc0$1ccda344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:39:04 +0000 (UTC) On 12/29/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Well, similar - but not the same. > > Here are many "words" about the devices -- I'm still curious to hear from > someone who actually has both devices and can offer opinions based on tha= t. I had an RD20XL (with FS6 for loop selection and FS5U for reverse) for ten months. I took it to trade in for the Digitech JamMan because I was attracted to the idea of CF storage and a USB connection for the storage and editing of loops. Having had a thorough play with the Digitech JamMan I decided that it wasn't for me [*], and there was nothing to be gained by the trade, so I came home and advertised the RC20XL for sale. [*] I was going to say why not, but in the light of what's been said in the "Extreme negativity" thread I shall keep quiet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 10:44:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 250E13BEE6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V4czIXqQytniJXSJwnaZ/Ij/CIXwzelTkux+zH3miuPlDdOqHKOy+WQ6gW26U4I+2gDzVr2u+USedmxZ/64iTW3FmIDU5F7QKqwsIpBHnNpzsiZsV+QSXkq+ptXZd+xxFs/I72U68vUCE+3n+vvFoIhfoCOumMsen+2ry5lI3As= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512290244m591daca6t155c009c55b329bb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:44:02 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Feedback is crucial (was Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech) In-Reply-To: <20051229005703.TCQU15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80512281647i67be4478r422f800de638c25b@mail.gmail.com> <20051229005703.TCQU15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:44:04 +0000 (UTC) On 12/29/05, Gary Lehmann wrote: > I bet the new Digitech Jamman is better in some ways than the RC-20, but > neither compares to a looper with fucking feedback control-- Much better than the RC-20, but less so than the RC-20XL. Remember that there are lots of UI differences between the vanilla RC-20 and the RC-20XL, the latter's not just a bigger storage version of the former. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 10:48:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 524C13BEE6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fqS8LMnLSzBACl4XD4YCxN+EmEaQjKKce/nSoosU8BetVvHx8TBsC4/h81bq9oJrRdw/bqfhVaky3szho8bH8SDbFH+QCsiDGgYaSCnG/oNza83QdN6QuXGQT8LhzLS0Mlhko1d8RqHI3AFZH3hyyXjP9Q3fKhF44nT46lCT5tY= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512290248k3c42ac40v7436555e33ae65be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:48:50 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity In-Reply-To: <20051229020924.16049.qmail@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051229020924.16049.qmail@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:48:52 +0000 (UTC) On 12/29/05, Paul Richards wrote: > Jesus Christ! This crowd is hard on the above "loopers". Are you telling = me > that no one is doing anything worth listening to with the above (or simil= ar) > because there's no feedback nor MIDI sync? In my post about my RC-20XL I only said that I'd sold it because "it wasn't useful to me". I'm relatively new to this list, is there an FAQ which describes the sort of comments we are allowed to make? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 11:02:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36F5B3BEF4; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CALBMs0OCFIU1AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051229110034.027f2020@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:01:03 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal In-Reply-To: <20051228193653.DEC4B3BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051228193653.DEC4B3BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:02:37 +0000 (UTC) At 19:36 28/12/05, Per wrote: >I'm thinking that I really don't need all the ten buttons of the FCB >floor board. hacksaw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 11:11:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 920DD3BEF6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Woz" To: Subject: Guitar Rig 2 looper Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:11:04 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C60CC4.C3E6E450" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYMaI9E79NVe72YTjuaSP3ljgsdyw== Message-Id: <20051229111106.LKHL16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@BERTY> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:11:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C60CC4.C3E6E450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone hear about the looper in NI guitar Rig 2... http://www.native-instruments.com/fm_home.info Woz ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C60CC4.C3E6E450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Did anyone hear about the looper in NI guitar Rig = 2…..

     

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    Woz

    ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C60CC4.C3E6E450-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 11:17:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B26A43BEF7; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:17:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B3C5B0.7030702@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:17:04 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:17:47 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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All times are GMT-5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 11:28:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7BCF3BEF9; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CALxTs0OCFIU1AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051229112639.028945e0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:27:56 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal In-Reply-To: <20051228210408.0C7D23BF1A@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051228210408.0C7D23BF1A@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Kris says >is much smaller than the Behringer, but just as long. > >http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/pedals/ADA-MC-1.htm > >What would it take to modify one of these to send notes? :-( re-programming the ROM, ....if possible From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 11:50:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D21E33BEEE; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <000801c60c10$7044b980$1ccda344@hppav> References: <20051228191757.96316.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <000801c60c10$7044b980$1ccda344@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <85C87341-83EC-41F1-BCBB-A61AAEA0DDE6@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:50:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:50:45 +0000 (UTC) On 29 dec 2005, at 01.40, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > So, this is to say the Loop Station RC 20 XL is better than the Jamman > Digitech?? No. I have not tried the RC 20 XL. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 12:23:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9399E3BEF6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001e01c60c12$e1f7dce0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> References: <20051228191757.96316.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <000801c60c10$7044b980$1ccda344@hppav> <001e01c60c12$e1f7dce0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <27A2079A-145A-4046-BAF2-A9DDBE4BA23D@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton/Reaktor Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:22:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:23:02 +0000 (UTC) On 29 dec 2005, at 01.57, Mark Smart wrote: > Well, after much futzing and frustration, I finally got this setup > working the > way I want. I like Ableton a lot, but I wanted a way to automate > the steps with > a sequencer that could be advanced to the next step with just one > pedal, like > what I did purely inside standalone Reaktor before. > > So today I figured out how to make a Reaktor sequencer inside > Ableton drive > Ableton's remote control using the MIDI loopback trick from this > article: > > http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.asp?sectioncode=32&storycode=12143 Yeah, I agree to this being one of the most exciting live looping techniques so far! I've been doing that for some years now but instead of the Reaktor Seqencer I'm setting up MIDI clips in Live that I send back into Live as "Remote Cotrol Data". I started doing it on a Mac with OS X, that has such a MIDI loop-back streaming option built into the operating system, but now I have also expanded it to Windows XP by using MIDI Yoke (thank you Jeff Larson for the heads up on M Yoke!). Originally I got the idea of sequencing control data for loops - in overdubbing mode or not - from David Torn on this list. Back then we were discussing the hardware looper Electrixpro Repeater. I was using an Alesis MMT-8 hardware MIDI sequencer to control the Repeater and Bill Walker also gave me some valuable help (thanks Bill!). Until this day there isn't really any software available that can pitch transpose overdubbing loops as the Repeater did. When this will be possible in software I'm sure it will explode as a new paradigm for live looping that everyone wants to explore :-) Speaking about sequencing controller data for a looper, didn't Claude Voit do that with EDP quite early? I'm now working on a laptop based system of "chained actions" that I will trigger with just one button. Then I play acoustic instruments to fill the loops with audio. I have noticed that I tend to tap dance certain chains of commands on my floor controller, when looping, and since I usually pull off the same sequences of commands I can as well automate them and focus on what REALLLy matters: the audio you play on instruments. Pushing buttons is just stupid. I must have collected enough push-button karma for twenty lifetimes ;-) I want to PLAY live looping music! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 12:26:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EE5F3BEF8; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051229005703.TCQU15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20051229005703.TCQU15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4AA3FB5B-3A1E-4DA8-9469-6DDE51704948@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Feedback is crucial (was Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:26:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:26:30 +0000 (UTC) On 29 dec 2005, at 01.57, Gary Lehmann wrote: > I want to own a delay with extended loop time (40-50 seconds is =20 > enough) and > MIDI control of the feedback and loop time after the loop is closed. > Multiply and windowing would be nice too--and heck, multiple tracks. > Maybe some day . . . > Gary If you don't mind maintaining a computer this is possible in =20 SooperLooper (Mac) and M=F6bius (Win). And some other applications as =20= well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 14:04:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 053EA3BEDF; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000601c60c81$728d1180$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20051228191757.96316.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <000801c60c10$7044b980$1ccda344@hppav> <001e01c60c12$e1f7dce0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> <27A2079A-145A-4046-BAF2-A9DDBE4BA23D@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Ableton/Reaktor Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:09:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <-Imh3B.A.v2H.vz-sDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:04:31 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 6:22 AM Subject: Re: Ableton/Reaktor > Yeah, I agree to this being one of the most exciting live looping > techniques so far! I've been doing that for some years now but > instead of the Reaktor Seqencer I'm setting up MIDI clips in Live > that I send back into Live as "Remote Cotrol Data". I started doing > it on a Mac with OS X, that has such a MIDI loop-back streaming > option built into the operating system, but now I have also expanded > it to Windows XP by using MIDI Yoke (thank you Jeff Larson for the > heads up on M Yoke!). That's what they are describing in that article. I'll have to try it that way, too. > Speaking about sequencing controller data for a looper, didn't Claude > Voit do that with EDP quite early? I'm now working on a laptop based > system of "chained actions" that I will trigger with just one button. > Then I play acoustic instruments to fill the loops with audio. I have > noticed that I tend to tap dance certain chains of commands on my > floor controller, when looping, and since I usually pull off the same > sequences of commands I can as well automate them and focus on what > REALLLy matters: the audio you play on instruments. Yeah, I always do the same sequence when recording the loops in, too. Otherwise it's too hard to memorize the tune. Let us know how the "chained actions" thing turns out. Sounds similar to this Reaktor sequencer. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 14:05:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C9173BEF1; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <8378222.1135865095821.JavaMail.root@web23> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 9:04:55 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity Cc: Travis Hartnett Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7IgGbD.A.b6H.O0-sDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Your skill at crafting analogies needs work. ---- Travis Hartnett wrote: > After years and years of discussion on desireable features for looping > devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available information > go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers. One can produce "something > worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo > manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume > settings--"off" and "on". Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume > control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you > could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker to > make it quieter. > > TravisH > > On 12/28/05, Paul Richards wrote: > > Jesus Christ! This crowd is hard on the above "loopers". Are you telling me > > that no one is doing anything worth listening to with the above (or similar) > > because there's no feedback nor MIDI sync? > > > > Just as a matter of curiosity, what were the individual performers from the > > Y2K5 gig using as far as looping devices? Does anyone have that info broken > > out by performer? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 14:09:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F39BA3BEE6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oGbjIiLfZHl/sogOj6jVIVV0O0niB/4eIsuuBN8+H+8XnDdoHbyfhfor99eXmZhq5xEY1Z198s2dcAg9AwgmewqpEYjQhBdnec/u1eE/TUMl22f5bcAXsnLf2JE4UOBI1EBNFUw3zrcDd2qhyKUCFKBfJkZYM1wE8mCK1mXv3Ts= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512290609l51611a37i49e42fb1a2d7d5f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:09:43 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051229110034.027f2020@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051228193653.DEC4B3BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051229110034.027f2020@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:09:45 +0000 (UTC) On 12/29/05, a k butler wrote: > At 19:36 28/12/05, Per wrote: > >I'm thinking that I really don't need all the ten buttons of the FCB > >floor board. > > hacksaw > Chainsaw, and make it part of the performance...the chain's in a loop, so..= . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 14:25:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09A813BED5; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aDzZbDe6Ub0zTsVgzwM6NpvoUaJTfpYmPQo2KFSUfRb79xmcoEkHg4LZ6QUFSvSpQRM39Z1uCszrFTY3reuXYyiOahhIVLdlMb0K5TgwsoYUX8QyT6dh/jOWybBSTlwObSLmla1MBFT1vgEbvUzGnd14hCHjXj8SBUVZ3/MJH+A= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512290625q5256703ci1287a4a4be690d9c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:25:40 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: yet more cello looping gig spam In-Reply-To: <2C5F98C6-CD9A-40B8-BAB5-DA54ACA5DBCD@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2C5F98C6-CD9A-40B8-BAB5-DA54ACA5DBCD@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:25:42 +0000 (UTC) On 12/26/05, Zoe Keating wrote: [snip] > Feb 7th, London, UK: The Scala Oh! I'd just got as far as wondering if you were visiting this side of the pond and I saw you were! Excellent (scuttles off to find ticket details). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 14:34:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B0E73BED6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.157.66.31] X-Originating-Email: [graham.maureen@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: graham.maureen@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <010101c60c1f$8435ddc0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Jamman Digitech Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:34:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2005 14:34:25.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7ACC830:01C60C84] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi there I never post here but enjoy reading... my set up is a fernandes native pro-a pod xt live- a korg sdd2000 a digitech ips 33b (pitch shifter/whammy)- line 6 dl4 to digitech jamman - vox ac30 cc2 I love the line6 dl4 as it offers octave+/- pitch shifting and looping- but you know what i have often felt that many a good loop was lost forever...I don't see anything wrong with the digitech for my needs!!!! I capture a loop live while playing in the line6 I transfer over the first/or overdubbed loop to the jamman's memory (I can determine whether to keep or save on computer let alone onbaord memory) and then I can loop the jamman and play over the top. Is my set up perfect no...would the edp or repeater mk2 be better, possible- but I see a real need for this pedal and if you guys continue to slag it off a) it makes my set up cooler b) it makes digitech offer an even better mk 2 jamman. You are right themaufacturer didn't consult the looping community enough, but the loop landscape looks more populated, and more affordable than ever before- maybe this is a new "start point" (pun intended) enjoy what you have, and don't be miserable about what you (or digitech or roland ) haven't (done) my 2 cents graham stuart graham.maureen@sympatico.ca >From: "Tony K" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech >Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:28:11 -0500 > >I have one and I like it, but I have it on my desk and not on the floor. I >use my hands to control it. I have enough delays with feedback control, I >like it because it is a loop tool and not a delay. > >Tony > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:47 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech > >On 12/28/05, Per Boysen wrote: > > > I was sent a Digi Jamman to write a review of it. After playing with > > it for an hour I had to tell the rep I'm sending it back and skipping > > over the job, "to help sales" ;-) From time to time I have been > > playing with the original Jamman, from Lexicon, and this new "Jamman" > > is completely different. Not at all suitable for dynamic live looping > > I would say, but maybe of interest for someone who intend to learn to > > play certain musical parts over a static background? > >I had an RC20XL and sold it on for similar reasons. > >With no feedback control and no way of saving the loop you've built >without bending down and pressing little buttons (two issues it shares >with the Digitech JamMan) it wasn't useful to me. > >The person who bought it off me loves it, however, so these things >suit some people. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 14:36:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18E313BEDC; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:36:48 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Let us loop the praises of Sunao Inami! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <014901c60c85$5b1dc860$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051228231717.8BF273BF05@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8lPxID.A.W5.rR_sDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:36:28 +0000 (UTC) I received my package of CDs from Sunao yesterday. Stunning! On Many Levels! 1) Beautiful presentation. Images and quality of printing are excellent. 2) Excellent sequencing and mastering of the audio. No jarring leaps in level or tone. I've only listened in snippets, but I look forward to slipping it in my CD player and zoning out from beginning to end very soon. 3) A wonderful business/marketing experience. Everything was done on time, Sunao obviously did not make a penny on our costs, and I now have thirty CDs to use for promotion of my music, and the music of my fellow loopers. 4) A renewed sense of community. The names that appear on my computer screen are now linked with music. 5) A kick in my own personal keester. I will now begin to book the looping gigs I've been threatening to do for lo these many years, partly because I have a(nother) product (besides my own CD and the performance itself) to promote. Sunao Inami is a powerful person, and I am honored to be in his circle. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large (The Coyote Loops!) coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson "...and then there is Sunao and the looping community, who offer a better way, and live it." --- dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 14:36:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25F933BEE1; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:30:33 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Let us learn to shrink wrap! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <014801c60c85$5ae3cca0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051228231717.8BF273BF05@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:36:36 +0000 (UTC) OK, so now I need to professionally shrink wrap the other 20 CDs of LDC3. I did a super-quick Google and found one shrink wrap kit for $100. Anything cheaper? I have a heat gun (and I'm not afraid to use it!). I just need the plastic and the whatever to cut and trim it. dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 14:37:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E429A3BED6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9AC29CA7-BE0E-44D3-BABE-CA83D4724793@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:37:54 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <66jcLD.A.EAB.4S_sDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:37:44 +0000 (UTC) >>>I bet the new Digitech Jamman is better in some ways than the RC-20, but neither compares to a looper with fucking feedback control-- I want to own a delay with extended loop time (40-50 seconds is enough) and MIDI control of the feedback and loop time after the loop is closed. Multiply and windowing would be nice too--and heck, multiple tracks. Maybe some day . . . Gary<<<< Keep an eye on the development of the Looperlative - all of these things will be possible in the software, it'll just take Bob a while to get the features programmed in and available as updates. Even with the features as they are now (the first Beta-unit) it's the second most versatile looper I've ever used after the EDP, and already has things that you couldn't possibly do on the EDP available, like the multiple track thing (with individual feedback for each later), stereo loopage, lots more loop time and instant multiply (hit a button to multiply the loop by whatever multiple you've chosen - ie 4 times as long - drop an event into that, knowing that it'll only come back round every four repeats) - I'm really really excited about the development of this box, am having stacks of fun with it, and am chomping at the bit for the next software update in the run-up to NAMM - definitely come and find me there, and I'll talk you through it! I'll also definitely be using on my gig on the 12th Jan at Darbucka in London, and on all my gigs in CA (it'll be the only looper I have with me) - I'll be happy to do a quick demo for anyone who wants it before or after each of the gigs... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 14:40:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB6E83BEE4; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Derek Bailey Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:40:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2005 14:40:47.0975 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB850770:01C60C85] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Folks, Don't know if this was posted yesterday: http://www.laweekly.com/ink/06/06/music-burk.php Loved what Nels Cline said about Mr. Bailey. A class act indeed. Regards & peace in the new year. Lou From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 14:44:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 008E63BEF1; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bHWPfQ6FMuJMuMa/rxoGEc8jeEyOgs/V8ncTXL1coMjfmsJvqGFxKSOj9VQiBJtVKe2mkwiV4gLKBp+xMpwC0lsk+vDJrk1Yosd6Z3kkCw5Io6DRMmyYTvNsAWGtCZHJY+kVJ3+fg643TcJq4u9lQkYFaj5dB8w0PflidsUzet0= ; Message-ID: <20051229144452.40157.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8378222.1135865095821.JavaMail.root@web23> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-107244023-1135867492=:40150" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:44:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-107244023-1135867492=:40150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit has anyone figured out if the rc 50 is going to have feedback control? the rc 50 is still making the rc 20 xl and the jaman obsolete(intoductory loopers) at least the dl4 has all the delays to make ya hang on to it for something other than its looping funtion. bollocks to the rc 20 and jaman(look at em as stages of evolution) oh well, danny dumbass. paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: Your skill at crafting analogies needs work. ---- Travis Hartnett wrote: > After years and years of discussion on desireable features for looping > devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available information > go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers. One can produce "something > worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo > manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume > settings--"off" and "on". Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume > control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you > could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker to > make it quieter. > > TravisH > > On 12/28/05, Paul Richards wrote: > > Jesus Christ! This crowd is hard on the above "loopers". Are you telling me > > that no one is doing anything worth listening to with the above (or similar) > > because there's no feedback nor MIDI sync? > > > > Just as a matter of curiosity, what were the individual performers from the > > Y2K5 gig using as far as looping devices? Does anyone have that info broken > > out by performer? > > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! 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    has anyone figured out if the rc 50 is going to have feedback control?
    the rc 50 is still making the rc 20 xl and the jaman obsolete(intoductory loopers)
    at least the dl4 has all the delays  to make ya hang on to it for something other than its looping funtion.
    bollocks to the rc 20 and jaman(look at em as stages of evolution)
    oh well,
                danny dumbass.

    paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote:
    Your skill at crafting analogies needs work.


    ---- Travis Hartnett wrote:
    > After years and years of discussion on desireable features for looping
    > devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available information
    > go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers. One can produce "something
    > worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo
    > manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume
    > settings--"off" and "on". Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume
    > control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you
    > could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker to
    > make it quieter.
    >
    > TravisH
    >
    > On 12/28/05, Paul Richards wrote:
    > > Jesus Christ! This crowd is hard on the above "loopers". Are you telling me
    > > that no one is doing anything worth listening to with the above (or similar)
    > > because there's no feedback nor MIDI sync?
    > >
    > > Just as a matter of curiosity, what were the individual performers from the
    > > Y2K5 gig using as far as looping devices? Does anyone have that info broken
    > > out by performer?
    > >
    >


    Yahoo! Shopping
    Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --0-107244023-1135867492=:40150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 14:46:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9745E3BEF6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3OFmGcYQysxmRD/ZUFPU99+C9gJcbmuJiVRLDVAtqnSBEGzuUUdIijdRxviYLrDOeztONa+Hev9TS3quKE2KIRgmDbOfijXBo6XLpdVYUuh3hZYy0gA7YjpL5l9RfFiHZJR055rZ3cNKYo69+xWISOmYs9MmTd+xymJe3EWdBhs= ; Message-ID: <20051229144649.25083.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:46:49 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Let us learn to shrink wrap! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <014801c60c85$5ae3cca0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-442177438-1135867609=:24796" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:46:50 +0000 (UTC) --0-442177438-1135867609=:24796 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit chili powder will throw off the dogs Douglas Baldwin wrote: OK, so now I need to professionally shrink wrap the other 20 CDs of LDC3. I did a super-quick Google and found one shrink wrap kit for $100. Anything cheaper? I have a heat gun (and I'm not afraid to use it!). I just need the plastic and the whatever to cut and trim it. dB --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-442177438-1135867609=:24796 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    chili powder will throw off the dogs

    Douglas Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net> wrote:
    OK, so now I need to professionally shrink wrap the other 20 CDs of LDC3. I
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Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-442177438-1135867609=:24796-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 14:56:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 489553BEDF; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80512290609l51611a37i49e42fb1a2d7d5f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051228193653.DEC4B3BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051229110034.027f2020@tiscali.co.uk> <353e2ed80512290609l51611a37i49e42fb1a2d7d5f3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:56:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:56:45 +0000 (UTC) >> At 19:36 28/12/05, Per wrote: >>> I'm thinking that I really don't need all the ten buttons of the FCB >>> floor board. >> On 12/29/05, a k butler wrote: >> hacksaw >> On 29 dec 2005, at 15.09, David Morton wrote: > Chainsaw, and make it part of the performance...the chain's in a > loop, so... LOL! Like this? --> http://www.nysse.com/strixq/killric.html This guy is a locally well known Swedish musician and guitar shop keeper - with a twisted sense of humor. Friends of Vintage Instruments be warned, this is a True Snuff Performance ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 14:59:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79CA23BEE8; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Yo142jjr+QhXT5BvuX85tGS65hE4KXLOdHL/ZkbVN3iHfhmRENLT2JLVoZItumgkZF8hadJt4PzO2TX8HPmkiVnH51MOq34+gREd+0YiEfPN6WQjMStGMIQr9a4sYrFDXnEWvfyQ5L0QEZYOWWYliFhLAWUXDsBp6T8LrGDN8o8= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512290659x65ad5f4et937d6fe14b524778@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:59:47 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... In-Reply-To: <9AC29CA7-BE0E-44D3-BABE-CA83D4724793@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <9AC29CA7-BE0E-44D3-BABE-CA83D4724793@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:59:49 +0000 (UTC) On 12/29/05, Steve Lawson wrote: > Even with > the features as they are now (the first Beta-unit) it's the second > most versatile looper I've ever used after the EDP That statement alone is enough for a brief dance of joy & optimism here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 15:20:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABC813BED5; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VZtJc+AFcU1CN1b3R5i0ipbIfSqAuTQ9nLpfNsxxCgyhFEHu3IAuX+BhTQXfACO1cw1L9xLG0T68kcrGrSO/QTxeb2cT7asdcAc7nOEhXxo2Tn67Zxb1Qc954jXXN+6kyCyUkxyiYbUSoj0YkzMz4ao7IbdIXM7fduAfcG+DOIM= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512290720tc6975b2q45f210d83a9eca68@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:20:00 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking advice on SMALL midi pedal In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051228193653.DEC4B3BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051229110034.027f2020@tiscali.co.uk> <353e2ed80512290609l51611a37i49e42fb1a2d7d5f3@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:20:02 +0000 (UTC) On 12/29/05, Per Boysen wrote: > LOL! Like this? > --> http://www.nysse.com/strixq/killric.html > > This guy is a locally well known Swedish musician and guitar shop > keeper - with a twisted sense of humor. Friends of Vintage > Instruments be warned, this is a True Snuff Performance ;-) Oh thank you *so* much for that, it quite cheered up a miserable afternoon! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 15:22:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43D6C3BEDE; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "Bernhard Wagner LD" Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:22:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: ideal looper on websiet Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43B3FF41.14048.1440E50@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <00b501c60c61$a2a80840$2101a8c0@alhambra> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:22:46 +0000 (UTC) On 29 Dec 2005 at 11:21, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Why don't we publish an open letter on the LD website specifically for > manufacturers describing these required fundamental features. Great idea. After all, the technology is already here - AFAIK, the manufacturers simply program the requirements onto a chip & add knobs where required. Hard to believe that new products still come out lacking the most obvious features. I've been trying to persuade Zoom for some years to do a simple 10 second stereo echo with freeze & feedback features. That's all I need for live. No replies, as yet ;) Now what would be really cool would be a rack where you could store & use VST effects - edit them on the computer, then dump them to a rack. I love the "grain delay" on ableton & can find nothing like it rackable. I'm still a shade reluctant to take an expensive laptop on the road, even if I had one! All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 15:26:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ADB03BEEC; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ayTYoRhZy9uTsGBIU2dbapQdspvPLl/aa/rD1etU8VMEneeBmG9N0FvoCgRHe/WTrmvEk2YGLFtx9afsilDu8UQW+b12O9oNzuMCKY535VcMvKQMhU96ttxkmiEQ+6t3eKX37B+ZJAg7t0qaGFT9X6R58SbSYuSA9L3dYIatusQ= Message-ID: <588ce11d0512290726p163700b2l4566790164fb13aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:26:28 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 looper In-Reply-To: <20051229111106.LKHL16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@BERTY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051229111106.LKHL16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@BERTY> Resent-Message-ID: <2B9L6C.A.l6C.mAAtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:26:31 +0000 (UTC) SXQgbG9va3MgcHJldHR5IGNvb2wgYW5kIHRoZSBkZW1vIGxvb3AgdHV0b3JpYWwgaXMgZW50ZXJ0 YWluaW5nIGFuZAp3ZWxsIGRvbmUuIEl0IGRvZXNuJ3Qgc2VlbSB0byBvZmZlciBhbnkgZmVlZGJh Y2sgY29udHJvbCB0aG91Z2guIFRoYXQKZm9vdCBjb250cm9sbGVyL2F1ZGlvIGludGVyZmFjZSBp cyB2ZXJ5IHNsaWNrLCBidXQgaXQgYXBwYXJlbnRseSBjYW4ndApiZSB1c2VkIGFzIGEgZ2VuZXJp YyBtaWRpIGNvbnRyb2xsZXIuIEkgbm90aWNlIEFjYWRlbWljU3VwZXJzdG9yZS5jb20KaXMgb2Zm ZXJpbmcgYW4gImFjYWRlbWljIHZlcnNpb24iIGZvciAkMzI5Ljk1LgoKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5hY2Fk ZW1pY3N1cGVyc3RvcmUuY29tL21hcmtldC9tYXJrZXRkaXNwLmh0bWw/UGFydE5vPTc0MzM4MQoK T24gMTIvMjkvMDUsIFdveiA8d296QHBoYWVzbGVyLm9yZz4gd3JvdGU6Cj4KPgo+Cj4gRGlkIGFu eW9uZSBoZWFyIGFib3V0IHRoZSBsb29wZXIgaW4gTkkgZ3VpdGFyIFJpZyAyhS4uCj4KPgo+Cj4g aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uYXRpdmUtaW5zdHJ1bWVudHMuY29tL2ZtX2hvbWUuaW5mbwo+Cj4KPgo+IFdv egoKCi0tCkFydCBTaW1vbgpzaW1hcnRAbnVsbC5uZXQKaHR0cDovL2FydC5zaW1vbi50cmlwb2Qu Y29tCmh0dHA6Ly9hcnRzaW1vbi5pdW1hLmNvbQo= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 15:32:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 796953BEEC; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43B3FF41.14048.1440E50@localhost> References: <43B3FF41.14048.1440E50@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6362C5AC-4073-449F-B756-721DCDD5C556@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ideal looper on websiet Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:32:24 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:32:30 +0000 (UTC) On 29 dec 2005, at 16.22, nick@12testing.net wrote: > I've been trying to persuade Zoom > for some years to do a simple 10 second stereo echo with freeze & > feedback features. That's all I need for live. No replies, as yet ;) I was doing intense lobbying for "live looping software" long ago - even before the Lexicon PSP 42 was released - and got the answer from some companies that "the market is too small to justify the developing costs". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 15:32:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFED43BEF9; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bGW8db0WOuUdea6IazJuHNCXaC+9XDD5FJ/XmWq+HzxYpW0IkfsJqvrmtu+VEQhZeIbt5cMVowtq16cyMVu2Ws3MlZKq3yGDjlk/dGRejvKXsUrePuXEZPutfT8iJv+jrzgt2gTtvwqK4Ugwbc9/UPRCmaixXBs2sFj0zSVbNLo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:32:34 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity In-Reply-To: <8378222.1135865095821.JavaMail.root@web23> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <8378222.1135865095821.JavaMail.root@web23> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:32:36 +0000 (UTC) How about a digital piano with no velocity sensitivity or sustain pedal? TravisH On 12/29/05, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > Your skill at crafting analogies needs work. > > > ---- Travis Hartnett wrote: > > After years and years of discussion on desireable features for looping > > devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available information > > go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers. One can produce "something > > worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo > > manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume > > settings--"off" and "on". Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume > > control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you > > could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker to > > make it quieter. > > > > TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 15:34:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED5783BEEC; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:35:50 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Let us loop the praises of Sunao Inami! In-reply-to: <014901c60c85$5b1dc860$9715be18@oemcomputer> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02e901c60c8d$8cefddd0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:34:38 +0000 (UTC) I just had my first chance to realy listen to it yesterday, and I was blown away. A beautiful CD, including the packaging. And it was so inexpensive considering it was shipped from Japan. Wow! Thanks, Sunao, and all the artists. Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 15:38:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC39C3BEFB; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0512290726p163700b2l4566790164fb13aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051229111106.LKHL16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@BERTY> <588ce11d0512290726p163700b2l4566790164fb13aa@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 looper Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:35:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:38:35 +0000 (UTC) > I notice AcademicSuperstore.com > is offering an "academic version" for $329.95. The only difference is price. It's not a different version of the software per se. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 15:39:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D75463BF00; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:39:33 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: ideal looper on websiet In-reply-to: <43B3FF41.14048.1440E50@localhost> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43B40335.1070007@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <43B3FF41.14048.1440E50@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:39:41 +0000 (UTC) nick@12testing.net wrote: > Now what would be really cool would be a rack where you could store & > use VST effects There is the Receptor: http://www.museresearch.com/index.php You have to be careful though, not all plugins will run on it. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 16:13:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A72093BEE1; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:13:05 +0100 Message-Id: <292009297@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: RPGfreak@web.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Line6 Echo Pro Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone know or use that thing=3F How suitable is it for looping=3F Can fe= edback be controlled=3F How is MIDI control or control on the device itself=3F I was thn=EDnking about getting one since it's rackformat is handy. SInce I = play ambient music with lots of evolving textures, a long loop time would = be nice. Thanks, Simon =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F XXL-Speicher, PC-Virenschutz, Spartarife & mehr: Nur im WEB.DE Club! =09 Jetzt gratis testen! http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/=3Fmc=3D021130 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 16:45:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C13AB3BEDC; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: laptop based loopers/effects for live Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:43:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00b501c60c61$a2a80840$2101a8c0@alhambra> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:45:36 +0000 (UTC) I believe that this was discussed before, if so, forgive me, but those who loop live and use laptops, have you ever had any glitches live and how do you prepare yourself for such an occurrence? In spite of using computers in all aspects of my life (and maybe because of it!!) I just don't trust being on stage with a laptop and trusting my performance into Bill Gates' hands. It just seems that there are more and more cool computer based programs that have tremendous potential live. Thanks, ~peace~ Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 17:01:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90C1E3BEE4; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IG/YKVUSq/4HSgcRd/334fb+QjkI99DVM/Ui1y5TP7wsEY4i+AejKwg7EQMnKhPhbWOmmaBCl6z8YvfLHCS8A2gHTPE8SmP+HQ8K9TGb/HYgjw/57NkhamuqMLXLEiPFM3eXyH5/oE43O2BCGWFK3qrJ4edGHV7GrfcqZ87a3I8= ; Message-ID: <20051229170124.37117.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:01:24 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <292009297@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1174630170-1135875684=:37075" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:01:26 +0000 (UTC) --0-1174630170-1135875684=:37075 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit thats wierd,I dont look at rack mount stuff as being handy anymore.just more stuff to lug around and be carefull with.and ya cant have just one thing in a rack it looks empty.so ya got to fill the rack wich makes it heavy.could be usefull for smuggeling or using as a chair.most rack units are fragile too.i like stuff made to be stomped on and occationally dropped. just me i guess, danny doom loops RPGfreak@web.de wrote: Does anyone know or use that thing? How suitable is it for looping? Can feedback be controlled? How is MIDI control or control on the device itself? I was thnínking about getting one since it's rackformat is handy. SInce I play ambient music with lots of evolving textures, a long loop time would be nice. Thanks, Simon ______________________________________________________________________ XXL-Speicher, PC-Virenschutz, Spartarife & mehr: Nur im WEB.DE Club! Jetzt gratis testen! http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021130 --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-1174630170-1135875684=:37075 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    thats wierd,I dont look at rack mount stuff as being handy anymore.just more stuff to lug around and be carefull with.and ya cant have just one thing in a rack it looks empty.so ya got to fill the rack wich makes it heavy.could be usefull for smuggeling or using as a chair.most rack units are fragile too.i like stuff made to be stomped on and occationally dropped.
    just me i guess,
                             danny doom loops

    RPGfreak@web.de wrote:
    Does anyone know or use that thing? How suitable is it for looping? Can feedback be controlled?
    How is MIDI control or control on the device itself?
    I was thnínking about getting one since it's rackformat is handy. SInce I play ambient music with lots of evolving textures, a long loop time would be nice.

    Thanks, Simon
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    Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-1174630170-1135875684=:37075-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 17:15:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 705C43BEDE; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B419BC.8030702@biink.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:15:40 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro References: <20051229170124.37117.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051229170124.37117.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:15:33 +0000 (UTC) daniel stevenson wrote: > thats wierd,I dont look at rack mount stuff as being handy > anymore.just more stuff to lug around and be carefull with.and ya cant > have just one thing in a rack it looks empty.so ya got to fill the > rack wich makes it heavy.could be usefull for smuggeling or using as a > chair.most rack units are fragile too.i like stuff made to be stomped > on and occationally dropped. > just me i guess, > danny doom loops It's MIDI, it's vintage! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 18:00:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0CD73BEDB; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E8E9907-B738-4457-9C7A-8619BF88ECB8@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop based loopers/effects for live Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:00:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:00:34 +0000 (UTC) On 29 dec 2005, at 17.43, Michael Plishka wrote: > I believe that this was discussed before, if so, forgive me, but > those who > loop live and use laptops, have you ever had any glitches live and > how do > you prepare yourself for such an occurrence? Do you mean audio artifacts? No, I play a lot through the lappy at home and bog it down heavily to get a feel for where the limits are. I don't want to go over 50 % CPU usage, but if I kick it all the way to 90 % the fidelity goes down. This is with good audio interfaces meant for musicians, I have not done any testing with the built-in sound cards. > In spite of using computers in all aspects of my life (and maybe > because of > it!!) I just don't trust being on stage with a laptop and trusting my > performance into Bill Gates' hands. I don't mind doing that. After all, the aim of improvised music is to take risks and eventually win big. So if you you set the controls for the the highest level and happen fall flat to the ground you can always start over again by telling the audience that they just were lucky to witness something very rare and unique ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 18:06:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 669DD3BEDC; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop based loopers/effects for live Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:06:13 +0000 Message-Id: <122920051806.9912.43B4259500003D06000026B821979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:06:14 +0000 (UTC) I haven't done a gig with a computer yet, but I was thinking if it crashed during a gig I would say, "I'd like to dedicate to this next one to Bill Gates...it's John Cage's '4 minutes and 33 seconds'." Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 18:26:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DBBC3BEE8; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:27:49 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: laptop based loopers/effects for live In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001401c60ca5$92b88060$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:26:46 +0000 (UTC) I've gigged many times with my Powerbook and nary a glitch other than those clearly caused by my own programming inadequacies. Lately, the glitches are universally the wetware (i.e., me) and never the hw or sw. On the PC side, I have a DELL laptop that is poorly engineered for audio, despite being marketed as a multimedia laptop - it has never worked consistently. OTOH, my desktop PC is a highly reliable audio powerhouse. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Plishka [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:44 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: laptop based loopers/effects for live > > > I believe that this was discussed before, if so, forgive me, > but those who loop live and use laptops, have you ever had > any glitches live and how do you prepare yourself for such an > occurrence? > > In spite of using computers in all aspects of my life (and > maybe because of > it!!) I just don't trust being on stage with a laptop and > trusting my performance into Bill Gates' hands. > > It just seems that there are more and more cool computer > based programs that have tremendous potential live. Thanks, > > ~peace~ > > Michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 18:36:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 400783BED5; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <122920051806.9912.43B4259500003D06000026B821979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> References: <122920051806.9912.43B4259500003D06000026B821979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop based loopers/effects for live Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:36:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5STgBC.A.6CB.0yCtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:36:37 +0000 (UTC) On 29 dec 2005, at 19.06, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > I haven't done a gig with a computer yet, but I was thinking if it =20 > crashed > during a gig I would say, "I'd like to dedicate to this next one to =20= > Bill > Gates...it's John Cage's '4 minutes and 33 seconds'." Ha, ha... that's a cool take ;-) I'm yet to have my first "audio glitch" with a computer but four =20 weeks ago I had a serious Mind Glitch resulting in me starting the =20 gig in the wrong preset (M=F6bius in laptop). I did a looping-free =20 intro with down-pitched flute (aka "bass") and landed on a riff I =20 thought would be a great bass line (type "Black Market" / Weather =20 Report) to loop as a ground to start building from. I kicked the =20 Record button in the belief that I was in Record Toggle mode - but I =20 wasn't, this preset was in Record Sustain Mode. Ahrrrrgh. So instead =20 of the groovy bass line I was suddenly chocked by this machine gun =20 like bass hit blasting out the PA speakers: DOH-DOH-DOH-DOH.... etc =20 etc. Loud and never-ending. Sudden Glitch Of Mind. I kept on playing =20 and looping "differently" from there, pretending it was all cool and =20 experimentally edgy ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 18:53:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CEC63BEEE; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B43131.1080702@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:55:45 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity References: <20051229183637.B10453BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20051229183637.B10453BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Actually, I think the 'Stereo Volume control' analogy it spot on... it is exactly what I feel looping without feedback control... my Loops are either off or on, not a good thing for dynamic live looping! -jas Albuquerque http://dimbulb.org >How about a digital piano with no velocity sensitivity or sustain pedal? > >TravisH > >On 12/29/05, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > > >Your skill at crafting analogies needs work. > > >---- Travis Hartnett wrote: > > >After years and years of discussion on desireable features for looping >devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available information >go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers. One can produce "something >worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo >manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume >settings--"off" and "on". Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume >control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you >could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker to >make it quieter. > >TravisH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 18:55:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC6D33BEEE; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: laptop for live music Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:54:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <001401c60ca5$92b88060$0402a8c0@Lightning> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYMpTZ98dOB2/bKR+GDXPECutXq7AAA8kRQ Message-Id: <20051229185322.CPMJ17006.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <_02s9D.A.NfB.EEDtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:55:00 +0000 (UTC) I will need another laptop sooner rather than later, as latest versions of software require something more powerful. The Dell I have used creates hum on the digital audio--Warren, is that your experience as well? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Warren Sirota wrote: On the PC side, I have a DELL laptop that is poorly engineered for audio, despite being marketed as a multimedia laptop - it has never worked consistently. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 18:58:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C91B3BEF6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:58:08 -0500 Subject: Re: laptop based loopers/effects for live From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: laptop based loopers/effects for live Thread-Index: AcYMqc59DPaqN3idEdq8fAAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Michael=20 In direct answer to your query, I've been fortunate not to have glitches ye= t in my laptop environment, and as has been mentioned, if you load your machine down beyond what you do on stage, it's a good test. I also keep a backup drive for extreme situations. More... I've been using live now for a few years on stage, and I have yet to have a problem. I even use the internal hard drive. I do far more playback than live recording, as Per does, or Kid Beyond, but it is my primary routing device and effects chain provider. Now I use it with sooperlooper instead of my echoplex, and did my first sho= w last week without a big rig, and in fact, without a rig at all, just a MOTU Traveler. =20 Now, on the other hand, I've had my Eventide Orville go down on me in the middle of very high profile gigs probably five times, and I still can't troubleshoot why, it never has made any sense, and now I resist taking it o= n stage with me, perhaps it's a heat issue. So all in all, putting myself in 'Steve Jobs' hands' haven't let me down in performance yet. I've never been a Bill Gates' computer owner, though I hear more and more good things about Windows Music efficiency, often from Per regarding Live. Keep in mind that I do use carbon copy cloner so that I have a backup 7200 rpm drive available should anything go bonkers... I do know that I can travel far more easily than I used to and generally accomplish the same things that I used to accomplish with a big rig... Of course if I had Frippian budget, talent, reputation and brilliance, I might still carry roadcases worth of machines... You're right, though, with Live, Max/MSP and a host of plug-ins, our performance world starts to look pretty limitless... All best, todd On 12/29/05 11:43 AM, "Michael Plishka" wrote: > I believe that this was discussed before, if so, forgive me, but those wh= o > loop live and use laptops, have you ever had any glitches live and how do > you prepare yourself for such an occurrence? >=20 > In spite of using computers in all aspects of my life (and maybe because = of > it!!) I just don't trust being on stage with a laptop and trusting my > performance into Bill Gates' hands. >=20 > It just seems that there are more and more cool computer based programs t= hat > have tremendous potential live. > Thanks, >=20 > ~peace~ >=20 > Michael >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 18:58:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4089D3BEFF; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Towel Over the Speaker as Volume Control ( was Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:58:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <43B43131.1080702@cabq.gov> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYMqPiC72Bq469wQ3mLns9H4axpRgAAIg5g Message-Id: <20051229185624.PTXA17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:58:26 +0000 (UTC) No, the Loopstation is what it is--and I use mine--but it doesn't make me more creative! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Jason Fink [mailto:jfink@cabq.gov] Actually, I think the 'Stereo Volume control' analogy it spot on... it is exactly what I feel looping without feedback control... my Loops are either off or on, not a good thing for dynamic live looping! -jas Albuquerque http://dimbulb.org >How about a digital piano with no velocity sensitivity or sustain pedal? > >TravisH > >On 12/29/05, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > > >Your skill at crafting analogies needs work. > > >---- Travis Hartnett wrote: > > >After years and years of discussion on desireable features for looping >devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available information >go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers. One can produce "something >worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo >manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume >settings--"off" and "on". Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume >control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you >could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker to >make it quieter. > >TravisH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 19:45:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC0A33BED2; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:45:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAEHLs0OCFIU0AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051229193157.0285c1f0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:44:32 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:feedback/features/new loopers... In-Reply-To: <20051229183637.A0FBD3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051229183637.A0FBD3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:45:04 +0000 (UTC) > Looperlative - instant multiply (hit a >button to multiply the loop by whatever multiple you've chosen - ie 4 >times as long - drop an event into that, knowing that it'll only come >back round every four repeats) - :-( shame, EDP type Multiply is an essential. :-) mind you, with multi-loop possibilities it would be easy to achieve similar musical structures with some simple additions to the code. As long we were allowed to make the additional loops an exact multiple of the first. (maybe that's already possible even) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 19:46:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78ECF3BECD; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop based loopers/effects for live Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:46:08 +0000 Message-Id: <122920051946.21670.43B43D00000A7DA9000054A621979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:46:11 +0000 (UTC) > On 29 dec 2005, at 19.06, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > I'm yet to have my first "audio glitch" with a computer but four > weeks ago I had a serious Mind Glitch resulting in me starting the > gig in the wrong preset (Möbius in laptop). I did a looping-free > intro with down-pitched flute (aka "bass") and landed on a riff I > thought would be a great bass line (type "Black Market" / Weather > Report) to loop as a ground to start building from. I kicked the > Record button in the belief that I was in Record Toggle mode - but I > wasn't, this preset was in Record Sustain Mode. Ahrrrrgh. So instead > of the groovy bass line I was suddenly chocked by this machine gun > like bass hit blasting out the PA speakers: DOH-DOH-DOH-DOH.... etc > etc. Loud and never-ending. Sudden Glitch Of Mind. I kept on playing > and looping "differently" from there, pretending it was all cool and > experimentally edgy ;-) > Per Boysen This isn't laptop related, but one time I was using an RC-20 for an open mike and forgot to make sure the "Guide" knob was turned down. I played in a nice groovy jazz background, then hit play.. SNARE! KICK! KICK! KICK! SNARE! KICK! KICK! KICK! The audience thought that was pretty funny. Since then I always checked it! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 19:54:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB1593BED9; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10097320.1135886079611.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:54:39 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Though I am somewhat of a novice looper, I find Bernhard's idea an intriguing one. I may be a bit of a Pollyanna on such matters, but perhaps a collective missive from the looping community and many of it's well respected elder statesmen, such as the esteemed members of this list may well be an idea that's time has come. With chip prices seemingly becoming more afordable, perhaps it is an idea. How many manufacturer's get their marketing research done for them? Thoughts? Todd Howell -----Original Message----- >From: Bernhard Wagner LD >Sent: Dec 29, 2005 3:21 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity > >This gives me an idea: >Why don't we publish an open letter on the LD website specifically for >manufacturers describing these required fundamental features. Along with the >frustration that the knowledge has been around for so long and still doesn't >get incorporated in new products. > >Bernhard > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] >> Sent: Donnerstag, 29. Dezember 2005 03:40 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity >> >> After years and years of discussion on desireable features for looping >> devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available information >> go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers. One can produce "something >> worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo >> manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume >> settings--"off" and "on". Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume >> control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you >> could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker to >> make it quieter. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 20:03:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE8243BEEE; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:04:50 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: laptop for live music In-reply-to: <20051229185322.CPMJ17006.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002601c60cb3$20725180$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:03:29 +0000 (UTC) My experience was that, while doing a multitrack recording, every few minutes all tracks being recorded would have their signals replaced by a horrible buzz. I think it's because the firewire and usb shared the same interrupt (not changeable), but I was never sure. I tried using a firewire on a PCMCIA card instead of the built-in, but that did not help. Unfortunately, I didn't figure all this out during whatever period I had to return the unit. I had to abandon the piece of crap for audio purposes. Fortunately, I had other uses for it. I don't know how you could know this in advance about a particular model of computer. Like I said, my desktop PC runs Windows, and it does audio perfectly. I'm guessing that my experiences are not the norm, but this incident - and one other experience, not related to multimedia - have got me off DELL for good. I do not wish to start flame wars (in fact, I *don't* believe that the Apple UI and OS is necessarily superior or inferior to Windows - I use both); however, with an Apple, at least you know that all the hw is compatible, while PCs are built from a widely varying component and motherboard assortment (to an extreme), which naturally leads to more uncertainty in the way that the components interact. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: laptop for live music > > > I will need another laptop sooner rather than later, as > latest versions of software require something more powerful. > The Dell I have used creates hum on the digital > audio--Warren, is that your experience as well? Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Sirota wrote: > > On the PC side, I have a DELL laptop that is poorly > engineered for audio, despite being marketed as a multimedia > laptop - it has never worked consistently. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 20:14:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEAB13BEDC; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <292009297@web.de> References: <292009297@web.de> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:14:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:14:33 +0000 (UTC) At 5:13 PM +0100 12/29/05, RPGfreak@web.de wrote: >Does anyone know or use that thing? How suitable=20 >is it for looping? Can feedback be controlled? >How is MIDI control or control on the device itself? >I was thn=EDnking about getting one since it's=20 >rackformat is handy. SInce I play ambient music=20 >with lots of evolving textures, a long loop time=20 >would be nice. If it's a decent price, grab it. Go through the list archives, you'll see lots of=20 posts regarding the Line 6 Echo Pro and DL-4=20 (they're pretty much 90% the same machine, only=20 in different form factors). Also, I think there=20 are some write-ups on the main LD site. I've got two of the Echo Pro's, as well as a DL-4=20 I use in a busking rig. In short, I think think=20 they're wonderful (I love the Line 6 stuff; it's=20 dead simple and sounds great). Essentially, the=20 Echo Pro is the same engine as the DL-4 stompbox.=20 The main differences are that with the Echo Pro=20 you've got an expanded 60 seconds of loop time or=20 120 seconds if you begin recording in half-speed=20 mode, better audio quality (IMNSHO) with an=20 improved S/N Ratio due to the balanced I/O, and=20 full MIDI control of the front panel parameters.=20 Also, I'm another person who prefers the=20 convenience of having everything in a rack,=20 rather than dealing with a mess of spaghetti on=20 the floor, but obviously YMMV on that last point. Downsides are that, just as on the DL-4, the loop=20 algorithm squashes everything down into mono=20 (why, Why, WHY did they do that <*grumble*>). I=20 deal with that little design flaw by having two=20 Echo Pro's running together as a "pseudo stereo"=20 pair. And while you can control all the=20 parameters via MIDI you still can't sync the loop=20 itself to MIDI clock. As for Feedback, you don't=20 have a Feedback control on the looping presets=20 per se, but you can get the same effect (each new=20 overdub squashes the older layers a little=20 further down into the murk, er... mix) by playing=20 with the Mix control as you record into the loop. You say you play ambient music with a lot of=20 evolving textures, so here's an example to which=20 you might relate: I have mine dedicated solely to=20 my E-mu Morpheus (controlled by a Yamaha G-10).=20 Using just the distortion guitar patches on the=20 Morpheus into the Echo Pro's, I can pretty much=20 replicate the classic Frippertronics sounds from=20 =46ripp & Eno's "No Pussyfooting" or "Evening=20 Star". So, that should give you a (very) raw=20 baseline. Now start updating the sounds you're=20 feeding into the Echo Pro and you can take it=20 into some really cool directions. Just do it! ;) --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 20:37:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3978F3BEDD; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: laptop for live music Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:37:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <002601c60cb3$20725180$0402a8c0@Lightning> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYMsrGZttmxI5E2Rv6++vtF4qpDzQABKRZg Message-Id: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:37:09 +0000 (UTC) So is IBM ThinkPad the best way to go? Any other contenders? I speak of course of the Windoze platform. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 20:47:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4922B3BEDE; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fr6pRijwRnh9MxYn1+gunD6k01ez3NTQkcuccbJgNGvHFLrEg3YZcrrG1GgqsR+BItv2EXKXzTfPamkhQCvCJZVjN6pZd//DojIWb5/Lo6ZnutNFiFXZL9q//8DOsvCS0qeHF9Yov4N7qEVn/NT4gxLl9Oj6pDIpsa7T45WYoKY= Message-ID: <64b81a780512291247o44e67cdne5eae91bb5ce04e6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:47:08 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <292009297@web.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Agreed. I got my EchoPro for a great price and absolutely love it.=20 Great echo effects, but at this point mine's pretty much dedicated to looping. Midi control via a footcontroller like the Behringer FCB1010 makes using it a breeze. It lacks the more advanced looping features such as Insert, Multiply, Undo, and Feedback, but I've been able to craft slowly evolving loops with it anyway. Definitely worth a small investment, but keep in mind that you'll want some sort of Midi control too which will effectively add $150+ to the price. Todd On 12/29/05, mech wrote: > At 5:13 PM +0100 12/29/05, RPGfreak@web.de wrote: > >Does anyone know or use that thing? How suitable > >is it for looping? Can feedback be controlled? > >How is MIDI control or control on the device itself? > >I was thn=EDnking about getting one since it's > >rackformat is handy. SInce I play ambient music > >with lots of evolving textures, a long loop time > >would be nice. > > If it's a decent price, grab it. > > Go through the list archives, you'll see lots of > posts regarding the Line 6 Echo Pro and DL-4 > (they're pretty much 90% the same machine, only > in different form factors). Also, I think there > are some write-ups on the main LD site. > > I've got two of the Echo Pro's, as well as a DL-4 > I use in a busking rig. In short, I think think > they're wonderful (I love the Line 6 stuff; it's > dead simple and sounds great). Essentially, the > Echo Pro is the same engine as the DL-4 stompbox. > The main differences are that with the Echo Pro > you've got an expanded 60 seconds of loop time or > 120 seconds if you begin recording in half-speed > mode, better audio quality (IMNSHO) with an > improved S/N Ratio due to the balanced I/O, and > full MIDI control of the front panel parameters. > Also, I'm another person who prefers the > convenience of having everything in a rack, > rather than dealing with a mess of spaghetti on > the floor, but obviously YMMV on that last point. > > Downsides are that, just as on the DL-4, the loop > algorithm squashes everything down into mono > (why, Why, WHY did they do that <*grumble*>). I > deal with that little design flaw by having two > Echo Pro's running together as a "pseudo stereo" > pair. And while you can control all the > parameters via MIDI you still can't sync the loop > itself to MIDI clock. As for Feedback, you don't > have a Feedback control on the looping presets > per se, but you can get the same effect (each new > overdub squashes the older layers a little > further down into the murk, er... mix) by playing > with the Mix control as you record into the loop. > > You say you play ambient music with a lot of > evolving textures, so here's an example to which > you might relate: I have mine dedicated solely to > my E-mu Morpheus (controlled by a Yamaha G-10). > Using just the distortion guitar patches on the > Morpheus into the Echo Pro's, I can pretty much > replicate the classic Frippertronics sounds from > Fripp & Eno's "No Pussyfooting" or "Evening > Star". So, that should give you a (very) raw > baseline. Now start updating the sounds you're > feeding into the Echo Pro and you can take it > into some really cool directions. > > Just do it! ;) > > --m. > > -- > _______ > "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play > I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 20:59:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43D083BEE4; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R/LmswsIaKQPiei37zC9X+EYb8PDr3oIESTNJ2y6A5Y+y4wKxHMbLAEdMiduYxMWJk7p45woSIGU0t2cQz/VMvQTFOEpY2HAhrH8Cku2Ih2e5zAcCW9gquwXncjMOvH3H0okpk1dy4LhunLDziqY4O+fngLXUN3ekWVylsFYRx4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:59:35 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro In-Reply-To: <64b81a780512291247o44e67cdne5eae91bb5ce04e6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <292009297@web.de> <64b81a780512291247o44e67cdne5eae91bb5ce04e6@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:59:39 +0000 (UTC) And although it allows for MIDI control on the front panel features, I seem to recall that it does not support MIDI tempo sync on the looper. TravisH On 12/29/05, Todd Pafford wrote: > Agreed. I got my EchoPro for a great price and absolutely love it. > Great echo effects, but at this point mine's pretty much dedicated to > looping. Midi control via a footcontroller like the Behringer FCB1010 > makes using it a breeze. It lacks the more advanced looping features > such as Insert, Multiply, Undo, and Feedback, but I've been able to > craft slowly evolving loops with it anyway. Definitely worth a small > investment, but keep in mind that you'll want some sort of Midi > control too which will effectively add $150+ to the price. > > Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 21:07:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 787A23BEE7; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <10097320.1135886079611.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10097320.1135886079611.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:07:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5mNZ1C.A.MjH.LAFtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Well, quick reality check here (and not to take anything away from Bernhard's idea), but let's also give credit where credit is due: there are a huge number of innovative, responsible, and friendly developers who DO listen patiently to our incoherent (and occasionally insane) rantings here in this community, then take those suggestions back and use them to improve their products. Just to name a few: Kim Flint and Matthias Grob (not to mention Andy Butler) who developed the software running the EDP; Jeff Larson, developer of the Mobius VST; Os, creator of Augustus Loop; Sooperlooper's architect, Jesse Chappell; Bob Amstadt is not only active and listening here, but is using two longstanding members -- Steve Lawson and Rick Walker -- as the sole alpha testers on his new Looperlative device. While the Electrixpro guys aren't on LD, their R&D team actively solicited user feedback from the Repeater list -- which includes a whole lot of LD members -- for the feature set of the upcoming (yes, I'm still optimistic) Repeater Mk2. Similarly, individuals like Per Boysen and Douglas Baldwin regularly pen gear reviews that take our concerns back up to the exec staff of many music corporations. And Gods, I must be forgetting at least a dozen other individuals who are here, listening, and developing products based on our feedback (sorry guys -- please blame it on my swiss-cheese memory, rather than any concerted effort to exclude anyone). I agree that there are companies out there that never pay any attention to the explicit needs of their user base, then promote crappy products out into the marketplace. I do NOT want to let them off the hook. But at the same time, let's give some recognition to the folks out there who *are* listening. The ones who take the suggestions we're giving them, then use that feedback to come out with new and exciting tools for us to use, abuse, and take our music into wonderful and previously undreamt of directions. Thanks a lot, fellas. We may gripe a lot, but we really do appreciate your efforts... --m. At 12:54 PM -0700 12/29/05, Todd Howell wrote: >Though I am somewhat of a novice looper, I find Bernhard's idea an >intriguing one. I may be a bit of a Pollyanna on such matters, but >perhaps a collective missive from the looping community and many of >it's well respected elder statesmen, such as the esteemed members of >this list may well be an idea that's time has come. With chip prices >seemingly becoming more afordable, perhaps it is an idea. How many >manufacturer's get their marketing research done for them? Thoughts? > >Todd Howell > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Bernhard Wagner LD >>Sent: Dec 29, 2005 3:21 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity >> >>This gives me an idea: >>Why don't we publish an open letter on the LD website specifically for >>manufacturers describing these required fundamental features. Along with the >>frustration that the knowledge has been around for so long and still doesn't >>get incorporated in new products. >> >>Bernhard >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Donnerstag, 29. Dezember 2005 03:40 >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity >>> >>> After years and years of discussion on desireable features for looping >>> devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available information >>> go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers. One can produce "something >>> worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo >>> manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume >>> settings--"off" and "on". Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume >>> control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you >>> could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker to > >> make it quieter. >>> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 22:53:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C54C83BED6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014501c60cca$9bd989d0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051228231717.8BF273BF05@arsenic.violacea.com> <014801c60c85$5ae3cca0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Let us learn to shrink wrap! Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:52:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 89, in=53152, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi Doug - Here is my solution, which I'll use for the 30 pre-assembled LDC3 CDs that I have now as well. I use these really cool, thick and resealable, 2.5 mil polyethylene bags from a company called Bags Unlimited. Here is the URL to them: http://www.bagsunlimited.com/cart/detail.asp?product_id=scd625r Also, I'm not sure if you ordered your jewel cases yet, but I buy all my CD-R and DVD-R supplies from American Digital - http://www.american-digital.com/ The prices are good, and they have decent quality media and supplies. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: Let us learn to shrink wrap! > OK, so now I need to professionally shrink wrap the other 20 CDs of LDC3. I > did a super-quick Google and found one shrink wrap kit for $100. Anything > cheaper? I have a heat gun (and I'm not afraid to use it!). I just need the > plastic and the whatever to cut and trim it. > dB > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 23:04:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7020F3BEDB; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:04:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015c01c60ccc$2fc1ce90$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051229183637.A0FBD3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051229193157.0285c1f0@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:04:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 426, in=191527, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:04:36 +0000 (UTC) > > Looperlative - instant multiply (hit a > >button to multiply the loop by whatever multiple you've chosen - ie 4 > >times as long - drop an event into that, knowing that it'll only come > >back round every four repeats) - > > :-( shame, > EDP type Multiply is an essential. I believe this confirms my understanding that the Looperlative LP1 will only do rounded multiply, correct? This makes sense, given the mention of intervals (aboe) of how long you want to extend your next loop, 4, 8, etc. This is indeed a "bummer" for me, because I always use unrounded multiply and enjoy the freedom of how long I want the new loop length to be. This is why I don't like quatiziation. I like to have total control of my looping output. I don't want the machine altering the time of my playing in any way or format....howeer, I also undertand that there will likely be many new features added to the LP1 unit, in future releases of software which I hear will be frequent. Perhaps unrounded multiply will come out fairly quickly. It's definitely a hard requirement for me. Kris > :-) mind you, with multi-loop possibilities it would > be easy to achieve similar musical structures with > some simple additions to the code. > As long we were allowed to make the additional loops > an exact multiple of the first. > (maybe that's already possible even) > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 23:04:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D63E3BEE6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <122920051946.21670.43B43D00000A7DA9000054A621979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> References: <122920051946.21670.43B43D00000A7DA9000054A621979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <200CCA5C-35DD-42AD-80E1-6EF369C00592@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop based loopers/effects for live Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:04:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:04:57 +0000 (UTC) On 29 dec 2005, at 20.46, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > This isn't laptop related, but one time I was using an RC-20 for an > open > mike and forgot to make sure the "Guide" knob was turned down. I > played > in a nice groovy jazz background, then hit play.. > > SNARE! KICK! KICK! KICK! SNARE! KICK! KICK! KICK! > The audience thought that was pretty funny. Since then I always > checked it! Brings another Human Goof Story to my mind: We were playing a duo gig and my partner had borrowed my old Roland MC-303. All our stuff were MIDI Clock synced. We played for an hour and at the end of the show we went into a very silent part. While I was tweaking the loops in my EDP and Repeater from my Behringer FCB1010 MIDI pedal I was distracted by some "THUMP" sounds, loudly hitting the least musical spots a little before some bars and eight notes. Not until after quite a while I discovered that the noise happened when I was using certain FCB Buttons. Ouch.... we had forgot to check the MIDI channel of the MC-303 and it was now receiving MIDI notes from my floor controller that was only meant to silently control my loopers. I have that gig recorded, it sounds very lame ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 23:17:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 279483BEDE; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:17:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016a01c60cce$0aa79930$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <002601c60cb3$20725180$0402a8c0@Lightning> Subject: Re: laptop for live music Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:17:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 426, in=191537, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:17:48 +0000 (UTC) I should have chimed in earlier....or can I hum in? :) Some of you may have heard a hum on some of the Y2K5 recordings I recorded, or you may have heard it on the live stream, which I explained in an email to everyone. I have two laptops: an HP Compaq nc6000, which is a commercial box and very stable, fast, reliable, etc. And I also have an HP Compaq Presario 2525us, which is not as robust as my nc unit, but I use it for all my live music performance, with my VST host, VST effetcts, etc. I only use my nc unit for streaming to the web, but with one caviet, namely I have to run it off its battery and not the powersupply. The power supply generates this annoying hum and appears in everything I do while recording or streaming. At Y2K5, my battery got low a few times, every 2 hours or so, and I had to plug in the power supply, which generated the hum. It is very distinct, and you can hear it on some of the recordings, unfortunately. Anyway, for those of you that have been experiencing hum while using your laptop to record, I was wondering if you tried running of the laptop batteries. Also, I have this problem in my Presario as well, but in a different context. When I record with mBox/Digidesign, I hear a hum if my external firewire drive is plugged into the lapatop. This is rather inconvenient because mBox performs better when recording to a firewire drive, but I just record to my internal drive and transfer my completed files to the firewire drive. It appears that all sorts of devices can generate hum...it may not necessarily be the laptop itself. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: RE: laptop for live music > My experience was that, while doing a multitrack recording, every few > minutes all tracks being recorded would have their signals replaced by a > horrible buzz. I think it's because the firewire and usb shared the same > interrupt (not changeable), but I was never sure. I tried using a firewire > on a PCMCIA card instead of the built-in, but that did not help. > Unfortunately, I didn't figure all this out during whatever period I had to > return the unit. I had to abandon the piece of crap for audio purposes. > Fortunately, I had other uses for it. > > I don't know how you could know this in advance about a particular model of > computer. Like I said, my desktop PC runs Windows, and it does audio > perfectly. I'm guessing that my experiences are not the norm, but this > incident - and one other experience, not related to multimedia - have got me > off DELL for good. I do not wish to start flame wars (in fact, I *don't* > believe that the Apple UI and OS is necessarily superior or inferior to > Windows - I use both); however, with an Apple, at least you know that all > the hw is compatible, while PCs are built from a widely varying component > and motherboard assortment (to an extreme), which naturally leads to more > uncertainty in the way that the components interact. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:55 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: laptop for live music > > > > > > I will need another laptop sooner rather than later, as > > latest versions of software require something more powerful. > > The Dell I have used creates hum on the digital > > audio--Warren, is that your experience as well? Gary > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Warren Sirota wrote: > > > > On the PC side, I have a DELL laptop that is poorly > > engineered for audio, despite being marketed as a multimedia > > laptop - it has never worked consistently. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 23:19:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 822C63BECD; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop for live music Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:19:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:19:33 +0000 (UTC) On 29 dec 2005, at 21.37, Gary Lehmann wrote: > So is IBM ThinkPad the best way to go? > Any other contenders? I speak of course of the Windoze platform. I've heard good things about ThinkPads. But isn't it better to take a look at what's inside to see if it's fit for audio use? Centrino (with the Pentium-M CPU) is good and shared graphic memory is bad, as far as I know. 7200 drive is good, but maybe a bit noisy if you are going to play at intimate volume or use the lappy for writing. It's also to a great deal up to which audio interface you are using. The more RAM the better, but it's hard to find a lappy with room for more than 2 GB. My Apple Powerbook did a lot better when I upgraded from 1 to 2 GB but my Win lappy is looping fine with only 1 GB. Maybe because XP doesn't need as much RAM as OS X? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 23:23:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A7BE3BEDD; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017a01c60cce$d95ced20$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: laptop for live music Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:23:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 426, in=191541, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Well, with exception of the hum problem I have with my HP nc6000, which could be a defective powersupply, both the IBM and HP "commerical" boxes kick ass. I have nothing but good things to say about the Thinkpads....my wife, who works for Intel, uses one as her work computer (all Intel employees use them), but I don't think you could go wrong with one of the commerical/business notebooks from HP either. Also, IBM doesn't make Thinkpads anymore, they sold that whole product line to Lenovo. Hopefully this won't have an impact on their quality in the future. Here is question for you all...with all the high performance standards required for gaming, would it make sense to find a notebook for music applications that has also been proven to be a good choice for gaming? Aside from the graphics part, it seems the processor, cache, and other system architecture features might be good for music applications as well...just a thought. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: RE: laptop for live music > So is IBM ThinkPad the best way to go? > Any other contenders? I speak of course of the Windoze platform. > Gary > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 23:25:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB3CF3BEDD; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:25:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019c01c60ccf$266dc710$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: laptop for live music Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:25:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 426, in=191546, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:25:30 +0000 (UTC) I'm waiting until the new Centrino dual core units come out.... :) Very soon. Mabye one will be in a Thinkpad....damn, that would be cool. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: Re: laptop for live music > On 29 dec 2005, at 21.37, Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > So is IBM ThinkPad the best way to go? > > Any other contenders? I speak of course of the Windoze platform. > > I've heard good things about ThinkPads. But isn't it better to take a > look at what's inside to see if it's fit for audio use? Centrino > (with the Pentium-M CPU) is good and shared graphic memory is bad, as > far as I know. 7200 drive is good, but maybe a bit noisy if you are > going to play at intimate volume or use the lappy for writing. It's > also to a great deal up to which audio interface you are using. The > more RAM the better, but it's hard to find a lappy with room for more > than 2 GB. My Apple Powerbook did a lot better when I upgraded from 1 > to 2 GB but my Win lappy is looping fine with only 1 GB. Maybe > because XP doesn't need as much RAM as OS X? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 23:30:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6E873BED6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RiNoQawA7fWmT75OdJjEAUIVf4CrDt4AhBY267MrkluqlkRw8dmkLhgYpM614XuLsaOWgGvM7KTubpkF7ISH9CgPbSk01BFGCfsQmIEkpMAfCYH7XoUUDLi8Gj+n0uH0BRAtMDxi0EteZnGSkOJxgccbvsDLyVTxAWscCQZ2bVM= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730512291530l4b5947e1ib9c2257df8c078b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:30:06 -0500 From: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop for live music In-Reply-To: <017a01c60cce$d95ced20$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29115_33291228.1135899006952" References: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> <017a01c60cce$d95ced20$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:30:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29115_33291228.1135899006952 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have the same problem running from my Emachine laptop. Running on power supply? hum/noise. Running on battery? No hum/noise, but I have about an hour or so... However, I also have the same hum coming from a Gbox shuttle that is my desktop recording solution. I've replaced and done everything I can think of except move to a new house= . Clint Allen On 12/29/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Well, with exception of the hum problem I have with my HP nc6000, which > could be a defective powersupply, both the IBM and HP "commerical" boxes > kick ass. I have nothing but good things to say about the Thinkpads....m= y > wife, who works for Intel, uses one as her work computer (all Intel > employees use them), but I don't think you could go wrong with one of the > commerical/business notebooks from HP either. Also, IBM doesn't make > Thinkpads anymore, they sold that whole product line to Lenovo. Hopefully > this won't have an impact on their quality in the future. > > Here is question for you all...with all the high performance standards > required for gaming, would it make sense to find a notebook for music > applications that has also been proven to be a good choice for gaming? > Aside > from the graphics part, it seems the processor, cache, and other system > architecture features might be good for music applications as well...just > a > thought. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Lehmann" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:37 PM > Subject: RE: laptop for live music > > > > So is IBM ThinkPad the best way to go? > > Any other contenders? I speak of course of the Windoze platform. > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_29115_33291228.1135899006952 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have the same problem running from my Emachine laptop. Running on power s= upply? hum/noise.

    Running on battery? No hum/noise, but I have about an hour or so...

    However, I also have the same hum coming from a Gbox shuttle that is my des= ktop recording solution.

    I've replaced and done everything I can think of except move to a new house= .

    Clint Allen


    On 12/29/05, Kris Hartung <khar= tung@cableone.net> wrote:
    Well, with exception of the hum problem I have with my HP nc6000, which
    = could be a defective powersupply, both the IBM and HP "commerical"= ; boxes
    kick ass.  I have nothing but good things to say about= the Thinkpads....my
    wife, who works for Intel, uses one as her work computer (all Intel
    = employees use them), but I don't think you could go wrong with one of thecommerical/business notebooks from HP either. Also, IBM doesn't make
    Thinkpads anymore, they sold that whole product line to Lenovo. Hopefullythis won't have an impact on their quality in the future.

    Here is = question for you all...with all the high performance standards
    required = for gaming, would it make sense to find a notebook for music
    applications that has also been proven to be a good choice for gaming? = Aside
    from the graphics part, it seems the processor, cache, and other s= ystem
    architecture features might be good for music applications as well= ...just a
    thought.

    Kris

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "= ;Gary Lehmann" <hqr@cox.net><= br>To: <Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com >
    Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:37 PM
    Subject: RE: lapto= p for live music


    > So is IBM ThinkPad the best way to go?
    = > Any other contenders? I speak of course of the Windoze platform.
    > Gary
    >
    >
    >
    >


    ------=_Part_29115_33291228.1135899006952-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 23:31:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADAE33BEDB; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:31:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: RE: laptop for live music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:31:46 +0000 (UTC) At 12:37 PM -0800 12/29/05, Gary Lehmann wrote: >So is IBM ThinkPad the best way to go? >Any other contenders? I speak of course of the Windoze platform. Sony Vaio has some big names pushing it (Kraftwerk supposedly did their entire last tour using nothing but Vaio's). The only personal experience I can say is from my old Vaio circa. 2001. It did just fine for its time, but a lot can change over half a decade. Also, there are a few "custom specced" music laptop out there. I'll see if I can dig up a few URL's if I can find my latest issue of Computer Music... --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 23:38:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32EC63BED9; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c001c60cd0$f1a6d010$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> <017a01c60cce$d95ced20$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2fb9e4730512291530l4b5947e1ib9c2257df8c078b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: laptop for live music Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:38:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD_01C60C96.4493C340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 426, in=191554, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:38:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01C60C96.4493C340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weird...and you've probably done what I've tried too, plugging the = powersupply into different outlets. I have not tried plugging it into a = different circuit yet (as many outlets in a venue or your house can be = on the same circuit). Not sure if that would help, though. I think it is = a proximity thing with the powersupply and other audio gear. How about = encasing it in a lead box? :) Anyway, this sort of forces us to use = notebook that have long battery life...not thoe with desktop processores = in them (the big, thick ones), but the mobile units. My wife's Centrino = Thinkpad last for 4 hours...not bad. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clint Allen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Re: laptop for live music I have the same problem running from my Emachine laptop. Running on = power supply? hum/noise.=20 Running on battery? No hum/noise, but I have about an hour or so... However, I also have the same hum coming from a Gbox shuttle that is = my desktop recording solution.=20 I've replaced and done everything I can think of except move to a new = house.=20 Clint Allen On 12/29/05, Kris Hartung wrote: Well, with exception of the hum problem I have with my HP nc6000, = which could be a defective powersupply, both the IBM and HP "commerical" = boxes kick ass. I have nothing but good things to say about the = Thinkpads....my=20 wife, who works for Intel, uses one as her work computer (all Intel employees use them), but I don't think you could go wrong with one = of the commerical/business notebooks from HP either. Also, IBM doesn't make Thinkpads anymore, they sold that whole product line to Lenovo. = Hopefully this won't have an impact on their quality in the future. Here is question for you all...with all the high performance = standards required for gaming, would it make sense to find a notebook for = music=20 applications that has also been proven to be a good choice for = gaming? Aside from the graphics part, it seems the processor, cache, and other = system architecture features might be good for music applications as = well...just a=20 thought. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: RE: laptop for live music > So is IBM ThinkPad the best way to go? > Any other contenders? I speak of course of the Windoze platform. > Gary > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01C60C96.4493C340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Weird...and you've probably done what = I've tried=20 too, plugging the powersupply into different outlets. I have not tried = plugging=20 it into a different circuit yet (as many outlets in a venue or your = house can be=20 on the same circuit). Not sure if that would help, though. I think it is = a=20 proximity thing with the powersupply and other audio gear. How about = encasing it=20 in a lead box? :)  Anyway, this sort of forces us to use notebook = that have=20 long battery life...not thoe with desktop processores in them (the big, = thick=20 ones), but the mobile units. My wife's Centrino Thinkpad last for 4 = hours...not=20 bad.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Clint=20 Allen
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, December 29, = 2005 4:30=20 PM
    Subject: Re: laptop for live = music

    I have the same problem running from my Emachine = laptop.=20 Running on power supply? hum/noise.

    Running on battery? No = hum/noise,=20 but I have about an hour or so...

    However, I also have the same = hum=20 coming from a Gbox shuttle that is my desktop recording solution. =

    I've=20 replaced and done everything I can think of except move to a new = house.=20

    Clint Allen


    On 12/29/05, Kris=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
    Well,=20 with exception of the hum problem I have with my HP nc6000, = which
    could=20 be a defective powersupply, both the IBM and HP "commerical" = boxes
    kick=20 ass.  I have nothing but good things to say about the=20 Thinkpads....my
    wife, who works for Intel, uses one as her work = computer=20 (all Intel
    employees use them), but I don't think you could go = wrong with=20 one of the
    commerical/business notebooks from HP either. Also, = IBM=20 doesn't make
    Thinkpads anymore, they sold that whole product line = to=20 Lenovo. Hopefully
    this won't have an impact on their quality in = the=20 future.

    Here is question for you all...with all the high = performance=20 standards
    required for gaming, would it make sense to find a = notebook for=20 music
    applications that has also been proven to be a good choice = for=20 gaming? Aside
    from the graphics part, it seems the processor, = cache, and=20 other system
    architecture features might be good for music = applications=20 as well...just a
    thought.

    Kris

    ----- Original = Message=20 -----
    From: "Gary Lehmann" <hqr@cox.net>
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 >
    Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:37 PM
    Subject: = RE: laptop=20 for live music


    > So is IBM ThinkPad the best way to=20 go?
    > Any other contenders? I speak of course of the Windoze=20 platform.
    >=20 = Gary
    >
    >
    >
    >



    ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01C60C96.4493C340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 23:40:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40CEB3BEE0; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <019c01c60ccf$266dc710$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> <019c01c60ccf$266dc710$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop for live music Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:40:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:40:51 +0000 (UTC) On 30 dec 2005, at 00.25, Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm waiting until the new Centrino dual core units come out.... :) =20= > Very > soon. Mabye one will be in a Thinkpad....damn, that would be cool. I don't need any more computers right now but if I was shopping for a =20= lappy I would hold on for a while to check out the new Intel-Apple =20 machines that are just around the corner. Combining Pentium Power =20 with OS X stability and efficiency - what could be better for music? =20 It would be fantastic if those machines will also be able to boot XP =20 as well (or some XP hack). All my favorite music software run best on =20= OS X (Numerology, MetaSynth, Logic, Augustus Loop, Live) except for =20 M=F6bius that is XP only. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 23:41:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE70F3BEE6; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <1135758849.25045.250648749@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1135758849.25045.250648749@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <42379FAD-4341-4819-B363-C83EFC7C2BCE@pixar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Feedback Systems Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:41:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Sure, try http://www.soliddrive.com/ -Alex On Dec 28, 2005, at 12:34 AM, Stillano Manifesto the Magnanimous wrote: > Hi all > > Interested in creating a feedback system through the use of a surface > transducer. Anyone know where I can get one rated at about 50W? > > Regards, > > Jase > -- > Stillano Briggs > bboybriggs@fastmail.fm > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 23:47:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7BB93BEE4; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01e501c60cd2$2cd463e0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> <019c01c60ccf$266dc710$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: laptop for live music Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:47:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 426, in=191559, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-YAeP.A.SXE.9VHtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Good point, Per. My wife and I were just talking about that this morning. Apple will only be doing this with their notebooks, not desktops, for now, but I'm anxious to see the results. Every year, Intel presents their processor design strategy to Apple with the hope that they will establish a partnership with them...it finally came through. And now my wife will allow me to by an Apple notebook! With a spouse that works for Intel, I would have never heard the end of it if I had bought an Apple...that would be like her buying a Dell personal computer. We try to support each others' business. :-) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: laptop for live music On 30 dec 2005, at 00.25, Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm waiting until the new Centrino dual core units come out.... :) > Very > soon. Mabye one will be in a Thinkpad....damn, that would be cool. I don't need any more computers right now but if I was shopping for a lappy I would hold on for a while to check out the new Intel-Apple machines that are just around the corner. Combining Pentium Power with OS X stability and efficiency - what could be better for music? It would be fantastic if those machines will also be able to boot XP as well (or some XP hack). All my favorite music software run best on OS X (Numerology, MetaSynth, Logic, Augustus Loop, Live) except for Möbius that is XP only. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 29 23:51:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 320D43BEE4; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.67.187.117] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> <017a01c60cce$d95ced20$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2fb9e4730512291530l4b5947e1ib9c2257df8c078b@mail.gmail.com> <01c001c60cd0$f1a6d010$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: laptop for live music Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:50:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C60CD2.B7FAA4C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:51:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C60CD2.B7FAA4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable have you tried removing the earth from your laptrop. one of mine makes = a hideous noise unless i either unplug the psu or rip out the earth. g Weird...and you've probably done what I've tried too, plugging the = powersupply into different outlets. I have not tried plugging it into a = different circuit yet (as many outlets in a venue or your house can be = on the same circuit). Not sure if that would help, though. I think it is = a proximity thing with the powersupply and other audio gear. How about = encasing it in a lead box? :) Anyway, this sort of forces us to use = notebook that have long battery life...not thoe with desktop processores = in them (the big, thick ones), but the mobile units. My wife's Centrino = Thinkpad last for 4 hours...not bad. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clint Allen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Re: laptop for live music I have the same problem running from my Emachine laptop. Running on = power supply? hum/noise.=20 Running on battery? No hum/noise, but I have about an hour or so... However, I also have the same hum coming from a Gbox shuttle that is = my desktop recording solution.=20 I've replaced and done everything I can think of except move to a = new house.=20 Clint Allen On 12/29/05, Kris Hartung wrote:=20 Well, with exception of the hum problem I have with my HP nc6000, = which could be a defective powersupply, both the IBM and HP "commerical" = boxes kick ass. I have nothing but good things to say about the = Thinkpads....my=20 wife, who works for Intel, uses one as her work computer (all = Intel employees use them), but I don't think you could go wrong with one = of the commerical/business notebooks from HP either. Also, IBM doesn't = make Thinkpads anymore, they sold that whole product line to Lenovo. = Hopefully this won't have an impact on their quality in the future. Here is question for you all...with all the high performance = standards required for gaming, would it make sense to find a notebook for = music=20 applications that has also been proven to be a good choice for = gaming? Aside from the graphics part, it seems the processor, cache, and other = system architecture features might be good for music applications as = well...just a=20 thought. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: RE: laptop for live music > So is IBM ThinkPad the best way to go? > Any other contenders? I speak of course of the Windoze platform. > Gary > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C60CD2.B7FAA4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
     
    have you tried removing the earth from = your=20 laptrop. one of mine makes a hideous noise unless i either unplug the = psu or=20 rip out the earth.
     
    g

    Weird...and you've probably done what = I've tried=20 too, plugging the powersupply into different outlets. I have not tried = plugging it into a different circuit yet (as many outlets in a venue = or your=20 house can be on the same circuit). Not sure if that would help, = though. I=20 think it is a proximity thing with the powersupply and other audio = gear. How=20 about encasing it in a lead box? :)  Anyway, this sort of forces = us to=20 use notebook that have long battery life...not thoe with desktop = processores=20 in them (the big, thick ones), but the mobile units. My wife's = Centrino=20 Thinkpad last for 4 hours...not bad.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Clint=20 Allen
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, December 29, = 2005 4:30=20 PM
    Subject: Re: laptop for live=20 music

    I have the same problem running from my Emachine = laptop.=20 Running on power supply? hum/noise.

    Running on battery? No=20 hum/noise, but I have about an hour or so...

    However, I also = have the=20 same hum coming from a Gbox shuttle that is my desktop recording = solution.=20

    I've replaced and done everything I can think of except move = to a=20 new house.

    Clint Allen


    On 12/29/05, Kris=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:=20
    Well,=20 with exception of the hum problem I have with my HP nc6000, = which
    could=20 be a defective powersupply, both the IBM and HP "commerical" = boxes
    kick=20 ass.  I have nothing but good things to say about the=20 Thinkpads....my
    wife, who works for Intel, uses one as her = work=20 computer (all Intel
    employees use them), but I don't think you = could go=20 wrong with one of the
    commerical/business notebooks from HP = either.=20 Also, IBM doesn't make
    Thinkpads anymore, they sold that whole = product=20 line to Lenovo. Hopefully
    this won't have an impact on their = quality in=20 the future.

    Here is question for you all...with all the = high=20 performance standards
    required for gaming, would it make sense = to find=20 a notebook for music
    applications that has also been proven to = be a=20 good choice for gaming? Aside
    from the graphics part, it seems = the=20 processor, cache, and other system
    architecture features might = be good=20 for music applications as well...just a=20
    thought.

    Kris

    ----- Original Message = -----
    From:=20 "Gary Lehmann" <hqr@cox.net>
    To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 >
    Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:37 PM
    Subject: = RE:=20 laptop for live music


    > So is IBM ThinkPad the best = way to=20 go?
    > Any other contenders? I speak of course of the Windoze = platform.
    >=20 = Gary
    >
    >
    >
    >



    ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C60CD2.B7FAA4C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 00:02:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 210003BED5; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B478F9.2030504@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:02:01 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop for live music References: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> <017a01c60cce$d95ced20$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2fb9e4730512291530l4b5947e1ib9c2257df8c078b@mail.gmail.com> <01c001c60cd0$f1a6d010$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <01c001c60cd0$f1a6d010$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:02:02 +0000 (UTC) I used to have a Dell laptop from work that I tried to use as an audio computer. It exhibited the hum problem that some people have mentioned (and *didn't* hum when it was run on batteries). After a lot of searching and talking to Dell people, I finally found that the Dell laptops have a known grounding issue that can cause the hum. First I read from others that they had the same problem - and a couple of these people said that a Dell helpdesk person told them it was a known problem. After a couple of calls to Dell, I finally got one of them to tell me the same thing. He said it was not a well known fact amongst the helpdesk folks, but that it was in the Dell knowledge base. I can't say if they've fixed it on newer models, but I know I'll never try a Dell as an audio laptop again. I have a Thinkpad T40 now that I've done some experiementing with, and it performs very well. Doug Kris Hartung wrote: > Weird...and you've probably done what I've tried too, plugging the > powersupply into different outlets. I have not tried plugging it into > a different circuit yet (as many outlets in a venue or your house can > be on the same circuit). Not sure if that would help, though. I think > it is a proximity thing with the powersupply and other audio gear. How > about encasing it in a lead box? :) Anyway, this sort of forces us to > use notebook that have long battery life...not thoe with desktop > processores in them (the big, thick ones), but the mobile units. My > wife's Centrino Thinkpad last for 4 hours...not bad. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Clint Allen > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: laptop for live music > > I have the same problem running from my Emachine laptop. Running > on power supply? hum/noise. > > Running on battery? No hum/noise, but I have about an hour or so... > > However, I also have the same hum coming from a Gbox shuttle that > is my desktop recording solution. > > I've replaced and done everything I can think of except move to a > new house. > > Clint Allen > > > On 12/29/05, *Kris Hartung* > wrote: > > Well, with exception of the hum problem I have with my HP > nc6000, which > could be a defective powersupply, both the IBM and HP > "commerical" boxes > kick ass. I have nothing but good things to say about the > Thinkpads....my > wife, who works for Intel, uses one as her work computer (all > Intel > employees use them), but I don't think you could go wrong with > one of the > commerical/business notebooks from HP either. Also, IBM > doesn't make > Thinkpads anymore, they sold that whole product line to > Lenovo. Hopefully > this won't have an impact on their quality in the future. > > Here is question for you all...with all the high performance > standards > required for gaming, would it make sense to find a notebook > for music > applications that has also been proven to be a good choice for > gaming? Aside > from the graphics part, it seems the processor, cache, and > other system > architecture features might be good for music applications as > well...just a > thought. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Lehmann" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:37 PM > Subject: RE: laptop for live music > > > > So is IBM ThinkPad the best way to go? > > Any other contenders? I speak of course of the Windoze platform. > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 00:08:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97BE93BED2; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <05E58905-A77D-42B5-B6AB-B1FDF97FE3AB@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re:feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:08:30 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:08:10 +0000 (UTC) >>>I believe this confirms my understanding that the Looperlative LP1 will only do rounded multiply, correct? This makes sense, given the mention of intervals (aboe) of how long you want to extend your next loop, 4, 8, etc. This is indeed a "bummer" for me, because I always use unrounded multiply and enjoy the freedom of how long I want the new loop length to be. This is why I don't like quatiziation. I like to have total control of my looping output. I don't want the machine altering the time of my playing in any way or format....howeer, I also undertand that there will likely be many new features added to the LP1 unit, in future releases of software which I hear will be frequent. Perhaps unrounded multiply will come out fairly quickly. It's definitely a hard requirement for me.<<< The speed at which any update happens depends on a few things, I guess - firstly, how important Bob sees it to be to the people he views as his core potential users (LD being pretty tight in the middle of that group) secondly, how easy it is to do, so there may be a few fun things that get thrown in early on just because they don't take much effort to write. The other factors I guess include everything else that might encroach on Bob's coding time, like day- job and the marketing side of the looperlative. I've sent Bob a huge list of things I'd like to see on the LP1, based on how the system seems to work to me - some of them are EDP functions I'd love to see moved across, others are new functions made apparent by the possibilities of the box. I'm sure the features list will grow and grow, it'll just take some patience. What's great is that the features list by NAMM will be enough for a heck of a lot of loopers to want one, and those with very specific needs (like unrounded multiply) will have the choice to wait until it's added (or if it's added... I'm sure if it can be it will be) or to buy one now, enjoy all the other features and see what new compositional and improvisational options the new box throws up. I for one certainly want to be able to do the 'unfolding multiply' like the EDP does, where you don't need to know the number of multiples before you start, but am equally happy that I have this new form of multiply to work with and can see it creating loads of ways of making loop music sound less repetitive. Another thing you can have, obviously, with the looperlative, is 8 stereo unsynchronised loops, so you can do 'unrounded' multiply without needing to chop up the original loop... a different effect, but if the point is to have an ambient loop and then impose some time structure on top of it (one of the ways I use unrounded multiply), it can be done without the end-glitch that unrounded multiply gives you in the loop that's being chopped... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 00:17:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 939AD3BEEC; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20051229111106.LKHL16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@BERTY> <588ce11d0512290726p163700b2l4566790164fb13aa@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <10EFC61C-EEF8-4BF3-8E7F-44DA3221C0D1@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 looper Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:17:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:17:33 +0000 (UTC) hey hey - i have been away and now have about 500 emails to catch up on, i noticed this though in the pile. I am now learning the guitar rig stuff for work (native-instruments) and will be demoing it (including the looper) at NAMM. I have not spent much time with it but so far it seems cool. there is no feedback control or multitrack mixing ability, but you can have multiple loopers, as is the nature of GR. I will report back when i have more to offer. - b On Dec 29, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >> I notice AcademicSuperstore.com >> is offering an "academic version" for $329.95. > > The only difference is price. It's not a different version of the > software per se. > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 00:26:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61FDB3BEDD; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:26:33 -0500 Subject: Re: laptop for live music From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: laptop for live music Thread-Index: AcYM16+W7gEEgHjKEdq8fAAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <01e501c60cd2$2cd463e0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <4BgB2B.A.5vF.-6HtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:26:38 +0000 (UTC) For the record, I've never had a hum using my 17 inch apple laptop... Or any of the previous ones either . Which makes me ask whether there is just something inherently more stable in the IC power boards? Or is it the powe= r supply itself? Keep in mind, I ain't no engineer here... But I'm interested in what makes it all hang together like it does. T. On 12/29/05 6:47 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > Good point, Per. My wife and I were just talking about that this morning. > Apple will only be doing this with their notebooks, not desktops, for now= , > but I'm anxious to see the results. Every year, Intel presents their > processor design strategy to Apple with the hope that they will establish= a > partnership with them...it finally came through. And now my wife will al= low > me to by an Apple notebook! With a spouse that works for Intel, I would > have never heard the end of it if I had bought an Apple...that would be l= ike > her buying a Dell personal computer. We try to support each others' > business. :-) >=20 > Kris >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: laptop for live music >=20 >=20 > On 30 dec 2005, at 00.25, Kris Hartung wrote: >=20 >> I'm waiting until the new Centrino dual core units come out.... :) >> Very >> soon. Mabye one will be in a Thinkpad....damn, that would be cool. >=20 >=20 > I don't need any more computers right now but if I was shopping for a > lappy I would hold on for a while to check out the new Intel-Apple > machines that are just around the corner. Combining Pentium Power > with OS X stability and efficiency - what could be better for music? > It would be fantastic if those machines will also be able to boot XP > as well (or some XP hack). All my favorite music software run best on > OS X (Numerology, MetaSynth, Logic, Augustus Loop, Live) except for > M=F6bius that is XP only. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 00:34:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95C683BEDE; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Feedback Systems Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:34:10 +0000 Message-Id: <123020050034.13944.43B48081000F09E40000367821979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:34:12 +0000 (UTC) > Hi all > > Interested in creating a feedback system through the use of a surface > transducer. Anyone know where I can get one rated at about 50W? > > Regards, > > Jase Hi Jase. I built something like this a while back: You don't need a transducer that powerful if it's going to be in physical contact with the guitar. I just used crappy little 8 ohm speakers, being driven by the insides of a battery-powered practice amp, and it worked great. Compression, distortion, and EQ of the signal to the transducer are very important. For the more recent experiments at the bottom of the page, I used a little Marshall as the transducer driver: Delaying the signal like in the mp3 labelled "Effect of delay time on feedback" is a very cool thing if you can find a way to do it. Hope this helps. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 00:38:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D1613BEEA; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:45:08 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity To: "Todd Howell" , Message-id: <003a01c60cda$48fa39c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <10097320.1135886079611.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Todd - Are you volunteering to collect features / ideas sent to you about what we, Looping People of the CyberUniverse, would like to see in any new Looping Devices? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Howell" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:54 PM Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity > Though I am somewhat of a novice looper, I find Bernhard's idea an intriguing one. I may be a bit of a Pollyanna on such matters, but perhaps a collective missive from the looping community and many of it's well respected elder statesmen, such as the esteemed members of this list may well be an idea that's time has come. With chip prices seemingly becoming more afordable, perhaps it is an idea. How many manufacturer's get their marketing research done for them? Thoughts? > > Todd Howell > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Bernhard Wagner LD > >Sent: Dec 29, 2005 3:21 AM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity > > > >This gives me an idea: > >Why don't we publish an open letter on the LD website specifically for > >manufacturers describing these required fundamental features. Along with the > >frustration that the knowledge has been around for so long and still doesn't > >get incorporated in new products. > > > >Bernhard > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Donnerstag, 29. Dezember 2005 03:40 > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity > >> > >> After years and years of discussion on desireable features for looping > >> devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available information > >> go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers. One can produce "something > >> worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo > >> manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume > >> settings--"off" and "on". Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume > >> control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you > >> could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker to > >> make it quieter. > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 00:39:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AF563BEF4; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:46:36 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity To: Message-id: <003f01c60cda$7d540520$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <10097320.1135886079611.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:39:58 +0000 (UTC) well said Mech! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity > Well, quick reality check here (and not to take anything away from > Bernhard's idea), but let's also give credit where credit is due: > there are a huge number of innovative, responsible, and friendly > developers who DO listen patiently to our incoherent (and > occasionally insane) rantings here in this community, then take those > suggestions back and use them to improve their products. Just to > name a few: Kim Flint and Matthias Grob (not to mention Andy Butler) > who developed the software running the EDP; Jeff Larson, developer of > the Mobius VST; Os, creator of Augustus Loop; Sooperlooper's > architect, Jesse Chappell; Bob Amstadt is not only active and > listening here, but is using two longstanding members -- Steve Lawson > and Rick Walker -- as the sole alpha testers on his new Looperlative > device. > > While the Electrixpro guys aren't on LD, their R&D team actively > solicited user feedback from the Repeater list -- which includes a > whole lot of LD members -- for the feature set of the upcoming (yes, > I'm still optimistic) Repeater Mk2. Similarly, individuals like Per > Boysen and Douglas Baldwin regularly pen gear reviews that take our > concerns back up to the exec staff of many music corporations. > > And Gods, I must be forgetting at least a dozen other individuals who > are here, listening, and developing products based on our feedback > (sorry guys -- please blame it on my swiss-cheese memory, rather than > any concerted effort to exclude anyone). > > I agree that there are companies out there that never pay any > attention to the explicit needs of their user base, then promote > crappy products out into the marketplace. I do NOT want to let them > off the hook. > > But at the same time, let's give some recognition to the folks out > there who *are* listening. The ones who take the suggestions we're > giving them, then use that feedback to come out with new and exciting > tools for us to use, abuse, and take our music into wonderful and > previously undreamt of directions. > > Thanks a lot, fellas. We may gripe a lot, but we really do > appreciate your efforts... > > --m. > > > At 12:54 PM -0700 12/29/05, Todd Howell wrote: > >Though I am somewhat of a novice looper, I find Bernhard's idea an > >intriguing one. I may be a bit of a Pollyanna on such matters, but > >perhaps a collective missive from the looping community and many of > >it's well respected elder statesmen, such as the esteemed members of > >this list may well be an idea that's time has come. With chip prices > >seemingly becoming more afordable, perhaps it is an idea. How many > >manufacturer's get their marketing research done for them? Thoughts? > > > >Todd Howell > > > >-----Original Message----- > >>From: Bernhard Wagner LD > >>Sent: Dec 29, 2005 3:21 AM > >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity > >> > >>This gives me an idea: > >>Why don't we publish an open letter on the LD website specifically for > >>manufacturers describing these required fundamental features. Along with the > >>frustration that the knowledge has been around for so long and still doesn't > >>get incorporated in new products. > >> > >>Bernhard > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Donnerstag, 29. Dezember 2005 03:40 > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity > >>> > >>> After years and years of discussion on desireable features for looping > >>> devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available information > >>> go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers. One can produce "something > >>> worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo > >>> manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume > >>> settings--"off" and "on". Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume > >>> control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you > >>> could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker to > > >> make it quieter. > >>> > >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 00:44:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67D103BEFA; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:44:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:51:16 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Re:feedback/features/new loopers... To: Message-id: <004c01c60cdb$247d4b40$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <05E58905-A77D-42B5-B6AB-B1FDF97FE3AB@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:44:32 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" > Another thing you can have, obviously, with the looperlative, is 8 > stereo unsynchronised loops, so you can do 'unrounded' multiply > without needing to chop up the original loop... a different effect, > but if the point is to have an ambient loop and then impose some time > structure on top of it (one of the ways I use unrounded multiply), it > can be done without the end-glitch that unrounded multiply gives you > in the loop that's being chopped... > > cheers > Steve drool...... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 00:50:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFE1C3BF00; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051229164723.0b428940@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:52:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80512290248k3c42ac40v7436555e33ae65be@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20051229020924.16049.qmail@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <353e2ed80512290248k3c42ac40v7436555e33ae65be@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:50:19 +0000 (UTC) At 02:48 AM 12/29/2005, David Morton wrote: >On 12/29/05, Paul Richards wrote: > > Jesus Christ! This crowd is hard on the above "loopers". Are you telling me > > that no one is doing anything worth listening to with the above (or > similar) > > because there's no feedback nor MIDI sync? > >In my post about my RC-20XL I only said that I'd sold it because "it >wasn't useful to me". > >I'm relatively new to this list, is there an FAQ which describes the >sort of comments we are allowed to make? You are free to make any comments you like. Other members of the community are free to respond to your comments any way they like. Discussion is good. Various degrees of social pressure usually get applied by the community if things appear to go too far in an uncivilized direction. The LD community does a great job of self-regulation. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 00:51:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B4D23BEE8; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: <00cf01c60cdb$3e8a9b00$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C60CB1.55B49300" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYMYiQDg20R4TMEQUeu8Nbo0eEhygAeLzbw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20051229020924.16049.qmail@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:51:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C60CB1.55B49300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The RC20XL is in here.. Somewhere. http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/VainInAnAcidBath.mp3 and a DL4 and a GigaDelay and. several other things. ;) Tony _____ From: Paul Richards [mailto:paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity Jesus Christ! This crowd is hard on the above "loopers". Are you telling me that no one is doing anything worth listening to with the above (or similar) because there's no feedback nor MIDI sync? Just as a matter of curiosity, what were the individual performers from the Y2K5 gig using as far as looping devices? Does anyone have that info broken out by performer? Regards, Butch _____ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C60CB1.55B49300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    The RC20XL is in here…. = Somewhere…

     

    http://w= ww.thinginajar.com/bigtony/VainInAnAcidBath.mp3

     

    and a DL4 and a GigaDelay = and… several other things… ;)

     

    Tony

     

    From: Paul = Richards [mailto:paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, December = 28, 2005 9:09 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Digitech Jamman = vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity

     

    Jesus Christ! This crowd is hard on the above = "loopers". Are you telling me that no one is doing anything worth listening to with the = above (or similar) because there's no feedback nor MIDI sync?

     

    Just as a matter of curiosity, what were the individual = performers from the Y2K5 gig using as far as looping devices? Does anyone have that info = broken out by performer?

     

    Regards,

     

    Butch

    Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or = less

    ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C60CB1.55B49300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 00:58:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D6663BEF5; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: m-audio plastic expression pedal Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:58:17 -0500 Message-ID: <00d401c60cdc$1f63f220$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C60CB2.368DEA20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYMYiQiQ0QYa4PxRsKtO/JGcAXv8gAeRFDA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <410-22005124292532970@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:58:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C60CB2.368DEA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Gear questions: are the new M-audio plastic expression pedals any good? Yes, they're cheap ($30), and light (so I'm told), but are they >any good? I have one, it's ok. I use it with a Vortex and it doesn't seem to have the range adjusted quite right. It'll go through the whole range of the Vortex in about 60% of the pedals travel. It seems pretty sturdy though. I only use mine in my studio, so I have no idea how well it holds up to serious gigging. For what I use it for, it's fine, but I think I'd rather have the nicer Roland one, but. that one is around $100 list. I've seen them on ZZounds for $55, but when I was looking they were closer to $80. ah well. I'd spend the extra $25. Tony _____ From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: m-audio plastic expression pedal Howdy! Gear questions: are the new M-audio plastic expression pedals any good? Yes, they're cheap ($30), and light (so I'm told), but are they any good? Also, do continuous controllers and the Lexicon "cameltoe" footswitches really need "real" balanced TRS cables, or are there thinner, lighter, easier-to-handle cables made for the purpose? Thanks, Tim Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C60CB2.368DEA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    >Gear questions: are the new = M-audio plastic expression pedals any good? Yes, they're cheap ($30), and light = (so I'm told), but are they

    >any = good?

     

     

    I have one, it’s ok.  I = use it with a Vortex and it doesn’t seem to have the range adjusted quite right.  It’ll go through the whole range of the Vortex in = about 60% of the pedals travel.  It seems pretty sturdy though.  I only = use mine in my studio, so I have no idea how well it holds up to serious = gigging.  For what I use it for, it’s fine, but I think I’d rather = have the nicer Roland one, but… that one is around $100 list.  = I’ve seen them on ZZounds for $55, but when I was looking they were closer to $80.  ah well.  I’d spend the extra = $25.

     

    Tony

     

    From: = Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]
    Sent: Wednesday, December = 28, 2005 9:53 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight
    Subject: m-audio plastic expression pedal

     

    Howdy!

    Gear questions: are the new M-audio = plastic expression pedals any good? Yes, they're cheap ($30), and light (so I'm = told), but are they any good?

     

    Also, do continuous = controllers and the Lexicon "cameltoe" footswitches really need = "real" balanced TRS cables, or are there thinner, lighter, easier-to-handle = cables made for the purpose?

     

    Thanks,

    Tim

     

    Timothy = Mungenast

    Why Wait? Move to = EarthLink.

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C60CB2.368DEA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 01:04:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 984E03BEF4; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020501c60cdc$efe8aee0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <05E58905-A77D-42B5-B6AB-B1FDF97FE3AB@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Looperlative Feature Set, Prioritization, etc Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:04:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 426, in=191580, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:04:12 +0000 (UTC) What would be interesting approach, rather than Bob relying on a select few master loopers or key representatives of the looping community to drive the feature set for him, would be to rely on the general population of loopers to define and "prioritize" the feature set. Large corporations do this, so why not with the LP1? Future Product Marketing folks in large companies like HP, Dell, IBM, etc...will go to their most valued customers in all the customer segments (commercial, SMB or small medium business, and consumer), and they will ask them which features are most important to them, and them ask them to prioritize them, given we can't boil the ocean. They take this seriously because then they end up developing a product based on customer need. After that it is a constant partnership and negotiation between the marketing folk and R&D to see what they can feasibly develop in time to make their product launch. What would be nice is if Bob had someone create a web-based survey of all the available features on the LP1, first release, along with list of possible features, and have us prioritize the entire list. In other words, let the potential buyer define the feature set. It's not as if there are hundreds of thousands of loopers out there, as in the case of a computer or iPod, so this is actually an ideal product development situation for a developer to take advantage of. Travis is always asking why companies don't ask their target markets what they want in a product...this is that opportunity. Just a thought. It makes a lot of sense to me. And as a result of this survey, we mind discover that there are some features on the first release of the product that aren't on the top of the list of priorities for the larger community of potential users. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: Re:feedback/features/new loopers... > >>>I believe this confirms my understanding that the Looperlative > LP1 will only > do rounded multiply, correct? This makes sense, given the mention of > intervals (aboe) of how long you want to extend your next loop, 4, 8, > etc. > This is indeed a "bummer" for me, because I always use unrounded > multiply > and enjoy the freedom of how long I want the new loop length to be. > This is > why I don't like quatiziation. I like to have total control of my > looping > output. I don't want the machine altering the time of my playing in > any way > or format....howeer, I also undertand that there will likely be many new > features added to the LP1 unit, in future releases of software which > I hear > will be frequent. Perhaps unrounded multiply will come out fairly > quickly. > It's definitely a hard requirement for me.<<< > > The speed at which any update happens depends on a few things, I > guess - firstly, how important Bob sees it to be to the people he > views as his core potential users (LD being pretty tight in the > middle of that group) secondly, how easy it is to do, so there may be > a few fun things that get thrown in early on just because they don't > take much effort to write. The other factors I guess include > everything else that might encroach on Bob's coding time, like day- > job and the marketing side of the looperlative. > > I've sent Bob a huge list of things I'd like to see on the LP1, based > on how the system seems to work to me - some of them are EDP > functions I'd love to see moved across, others are new functions made > apparent by the possibilities of the box. I'm sure the features list > will grow and grow, it'll just take some patience. What's great is > that the features list by NAMM will be enough for a heck of a lot of > loopers to want one, and those with very specific needs (like > unrounded multiply) will have the choice to wait until it's added (or > if it's added... I'm sure if it can be it will be) or to buy one now, > enjoy all the other features and see what new compositional and > improvisational options the new box throws up. > > I for one certainly want to be able to do the 'unfolding multiply' > like the EDP does, where you don't need to know the number of > multiples before you start, but am equally happy that I have this new > form of multiply to work with and can see it creating loads of ways > of making loop music sound less repetitive. > > Another thing you can have, obviously, with the looperlative, is 8 > stereo unsynchronised loops, so you can do 'unrounded' multiply > without needing to chop up the original loop... a different effect, > but if the point is to have an ambient loop and then impose some time > structure on top of it (one of the ways I use unrounded multiply), it > can be done without the end-glitch that unrounded multiply gives you > in the loop that's being chopped... > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 01:25:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E2AE3BEEA; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:27:44 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: laptop based loopers/effects for live In-Reply-To: <122920051946.21670.43B43D00000A7DA9000054A621979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Message-ID: References: <122920051946.21670.43B43D00000A7DA9000054A621979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:25:47 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: >> On 29 dec 2005, at 19.06, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > This isn't laptop related, but one time I was using an RC-20 for an open > mike and forgot to make sure the "Guide" knob was turned down. I played > in a nice groovy jazz background, then hit play.. > > SNARE! KICK! KICK! KICK! SNARE! KICK! KICK! KICK! > The audience thought that was pretty funny. Since then I always checked it! Done that myself, right into a nice phased E-Bow drone that I'd wanted to capture. Agggh. But a spot or two of hot glue dabs that knob into place by its edge, and should I ever want to sell it the glue dabs are removeable without mark. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 01:28:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BD1D3BEE7; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:27:03 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Let us learn to shrink wrap! To: Kris Hartung , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003101c60ce0$8235a840$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <014501c60cca$9bd989d0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kris- Very cool, and very easy to use. My kind of Lo-Tech solution. But then, even as I was reading your e-mail, a light bulb went off over my head...a memory of a packaging supplier I've used many times before...and a quick google retrieved this! http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-8477&ref=2404 This company (Uline) makes my favorite CD packaging of all time ever in the whole universe: http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-7073 So thanks for prompting my memory! Maybe this will help some other loopers as well... dB, coyote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Let us learn to shrink wrap! > Hi Doug - > > Here is my solution, which I'll use for the 30 pre-assembled LDC3 CDs that I > have now as well. I use these really cool, thick and resealable, 2.5 mil > polyethylene bags from a company called Bags Unlimited. Here is the URL to > them: > > http://www.bagsunlimited.com/cart/detail.asp?product_id=scd625r > > Also, I'm not sure if you ordered your jewel cases yet, but I buy all my > CD-R and DVD-R supplies from American Digital - > http://www.american-digital.com/ The prices are good, and they have decent > quality media and supplies. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Baldwin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:30 AM > Subject: Let us learn to shrink wrap! > > > > OK, so now I need to professionally shrink wrap the other 20 CDs of LDC3. > I > > did a super-quick Google and found one shrink wrap kit for $100. Anything > > cheaper? I have a heat gun (and I'm not afraid to use it!). I just need > the > > plastic and the whatever to cut and trim it. > > dB > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 02:32:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 260D13BED5; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Guitar Rig 2 looper Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:31:53 +0100 Message-ID: <00ea01c60ce9$357aee80$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <10EFC61C-EEF8-4BF3-8E7F-44DA3221C0D1@the0verclock.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:32:13 +0000 (UTC) I've had a chance to play around with the guitar rig looper at an event = by Apple "Mac and Guitar" or something like that. I can't say for sure but = I think there was a certain lag that prevented me from laying down a tight groove (if it weren't the few glasses of wine...). Every overdub you play (up to 99) gets recorded into an individual sound file, which is nifty. This happens behind the scenes. So you can mess around with your performance after the fact on a pretty detailed level. Also, this allows for unlimited undo/redo. There's also a multiply = function. You can record two separate loops and switch between them but not play = them simultaneously. But: No Feedback Ctrl! Don't know about the Sync functionality. http://tinyurl.com/9v4h6 Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Cass [mailto:b@the0verclock.com] > Sent: Freitag, 30. Dezember 2005 01:17 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 looper >=20 > hey hey - >=20 > i have been away and now have about 500 emails to catch up on, i > noticed this though in the pile. I am now learning the guitar rig > stuff for work (native-instruments) and will be demoing it (including > the looper) at NAMM. I have not spent much time with it but so far it > seems cool. there is no feedback control or multitrack mixing > ability, but you can have multiple loopers, as is the nature of GR. I > will report back when i have more to offer. >=20 > - b >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Dec 29, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >=20 > > > >> I notice AcademicSuperstore.com > >> is offering an "academic version" for $329.95. > > > > The only difference is price. It's not a different version of the > > software per se. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 07:49:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 047153BEDE; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:49:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: DL4 exp pedal alternatives Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:38:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051229164723.0b428940@loopers-delight.com> Thread-Index: AcYM2wIls3rLn+l9S8qz4pQn2OQygAABgLwA Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1Es9E53p1C-0003aQ@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:49:04 +0000 (UTC) I am currently using one of those horribly cheap re-branded Bespeco Line6 exp pedals for the DL4, and I swear, it cracks more every time I use it. >From what I understand it uses a 10k pot inside. Anyone ever come up with a better alternative? I know there is an Ernie Ball volume pedal with a 20k pot which may work (?)...just want ideas what other people use. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 07:51:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9206F3BEDB; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eR2WRZnO7mTrlXhmHZCUjv+QlYH9nRmCB4sjr1JJYkKVBINSnOtOkFcN+C2sVhaNcSd1XNp6Po/JGH37ehbAu0sdEr/qyE/AVFDGxFfCJebJvAxhGYtiuxoFK86WwJTydDaxyeb6Ucd2LOTXgoP5isTGxEvLiUs+rKswhbYNl4g= ; Message-ID: <20051230075156.32171.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:51:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Urk programming the MIDI MATE is giving me a headache To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ea01c60ce9$357aee80$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:51:58 +0000 (UTC) hi loopers, so i recently got a rocktron midi mate in an attempt to replace my 2 EDP foot controllers (primarily because i can't toggle insert mode via the original FCs). do any of you also use this setup? the 5 page rocktron manual is completely confusing and i can't seem to get my head around it. i'v used midi before with MPS etc so i'm not entirely a midi novice, but the rocktron is confusing the life out of me... before i ask for a tutorial or return the damn thing, can anyone assure me that that it'll eventually do what i want it to do? (basically use buttons 0-9 to toggle the various echoplex commands + insert modes - doesn't sound too complicated i'd like to think). i'm beginning to wonder if i'm barking up the wrong tree since something in the manual seems to say that only buttons 5-9 can be used to toggle on/off or something like that... thanks, rick "Artists in any medium are nothing more than mere hooligans who cannot live within their income of admiration." - Quentin Crisp __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 09:48:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 475F33BED6; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:47:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Zoom G2 & mail in digest format? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43B50216.27496.EEB56@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:48:10 +0000 (UTC) What determines the number of digests that are sent out? On other lists digest means "daily digest" but here I get 2 a day, 3 sometimes. Is there an option I can select to receive one per day? Here's another plug for the Zoom G2 - I sent Kim a review of it several months ago but it's not appeared on the "tools of the trade" page yet, so here it is. For the cash, there's nothing to touch it. Zoom G2 The latest in a series of guitar pedals, this one finally seems to have all a looper could reasonably require. Firstly, you get 5 seconds worth of ping pong, tape echo or delay, each of which can be frozen using a non-latching footswitch. The delay can be set in seconds, or by using a tap time button. You can also set feedback and mix in real time by going into edit mode whilst playing. On top of that, you've got some useful effects, such as compression, chorus, a fairly basic selection of reverbs and pitch shifts, harmoniser etc. There's 16 amp modelling types, a noisegate and other odds & sods. The most useful extra is that the "chorus" effect can be set as a number of delay types, up to a second in length. So, you can get a loop going, then play over the top with both delay and reverb added to the live signal. My instinct would be to switch most of the effects off and use it as a simple 5 second looper, but if you're pushed for space or have no other gear, it will just about do everything. Since you're unlikly to be changing patches much, I'm tempted to have it on a stand at waist height for hands on twiddling, and just keep the footswitch on the floor. The interface is reasonably straight-forward, although there are little glitches - knob 1 appears to allow you to set the function of the footswitch, but it doesn't remember it - knob 2 looks the same but actually remembers things. Took me a while to scour the manual to in this down. Having only one control input means you can't use the delay hold whilst altering real time effects (wah etc) - it wouldn't have cost much to have a socket for both footswitch and control pedal. Now if zoom could simply take the existing delay options, add more impressive reverb and chorus, treble the delay time and put it in a rack, they'd have a loopers dream. Chances are, it won't happen. The best news is, it's about =A365 if you shop around - quite unbelievable value, even if the tight sods don't include the 9v power supply. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 10:28:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 859D43BEDF; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re:feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:28:29 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:28:08 +0000 (UTC) >>>What would be nice is if Bob had someone create a web-based survey of all the available features on the LP1, first release, along with list of possible features, and have us prioritize the entire list. In other words, let the potential buyer define the feature set.<<< It's already there... it's called Looper's Delight. Bob's been a subscriber and poster here for years. his understanding of looping requirements is pretty well tied in with the nature of discussions here. the reason for having beta testers is to check whether the software works and to have people try out all the stuff that loopers are likely to want, most of it based on discussion on here. And also to have people to interact with on the process rather than spending all day every day fielding requests/complaints/demands from people who aren't a committed part of the project. the LD community can be pretty damn demanding when it comes to things like this, and Bob clearly has a limited amount of time to field this stuff given that it's just him (I don't work for Looperlative, I'm just doing the beta- testing, and am an endorsing artist of the box) - I'm sure Bob would have been answering all this himself, but he's off work on holiday at the moment... ...which means that all of this stuff is my thoughts, not official company policy. :o) Oh, and there is a looperlative forum if you want to post questions/ comments/ideas already. If you have some feature that would been the deal breaker in you buying one, post it on the forum. I'm sure Bob knows about it already from here, but it can't hurt. ;o) cheers, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 11:20:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CF8E3BEDD; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yFfxC8+brx7MNMwWHlhFFEjGXD++wTesEJVBBIS4fhS9lRNZxUkn1Ag+Q2WQlMsgIoKF9OEk2lORx92CKo4qor9d9mlZzD46JYRqhoqI5Ela3qcVizvJRboWlbr53c5y/JHO6cSaRwr9+7L69EDNA7DT3/XZ4vFYzXdd5Rz8/Kk= ; Message-ID: <20051230112025.85895.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:20:25 +0100 (CET) From: Joss Turnbull Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80512290239q5c24abe1sa302edf0a362a64d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi All Thanks for information! I think the best thing to do is, go into a shop and check both out and then I will decide which one is the best for me ;-) All the best joss --- David Morton schrieb: > On 12/29/05, David Kirkdorffer > wrote: > > Well, similar - but not the same. > > > > Here are many "words" about the devices -- I'm > still curious to hear from > > someone who actually has both devices and can > offer opinions based on that. > > I had an RD20XL (with FS6 for loop selection and > FS5U for reverse) for > ten months. > > I took it to trade in for the Digitech JamMan > because I was attracted > to the idea of CF storage and a USB connection for > the storage and > editing of loops. Having had a thorough play with > the Digitech JamMan > I decided that it wasn't for me [*], and there was > nothing to be > gained by the trade, so I came home and advertised > the RC20XL for > sale. > > > [*] I was going to say why not, but in the light of > what's been said > in the "Extreme negativity" thread I shall keep > quiet. > > ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 11:32:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3DED3BEDF; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=scLYkddhN6MogvAGoq60xQ4myMHlz0GWNjmBHTyFas5UtSSRdW6pTWMe76I3BmgyVUZslHhlfR9GeqCTC45TDVj+eS8FGVJuBtcUcyxfoThrxMBUd2O6qdS3lP6dIb8xlkum2fNnZkY1RLsSzWjdkn1uRgOOBcaQ/cp9O96oATA= ; Message-ID: <20051230113250.70608.qmail@web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:32:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: best way to split your guitar signal into two EDPs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0-9sdD.A.6PF.krRtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:32:52 +0000 (UTC) another general question for all the wise ones on this board ^^. what's the best way to split your guitar signal into two EDPs? do you just use a Y patch cord without much signal degradation? or do you put some sort of DI or splitter box in front? thanks again, rick __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 12:10:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F91F3BEDB; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAEGstEOCFIU2AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051230120307.0284de70@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:09:13 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Re:feedback/features/new loopers... In-Reply-To: <20051229234710.22D613BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051229234710.22D613BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0en3b.A.7_B.APStDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:10:40 +0000 (UTC) At 23:47 29/12/05, you wrote: > > > Looperlative - instant multiply (hit a > > >button to multiply the loop by whatever multiple you've chosen - ie 4 > > >times as long - drop an event into that, knowing that it'll only come > > >back round every four repeats) - > > > > :-( shame, > > EDP type Multiply is an essential. > >I believe this confirms my understanding that the Looperlative LP1 will only >do rounded multiply, correct? This makes sense, given the mention of >intervals (aboe) of how long you want to extend your next loop, 4, 8, etc. >This is indeed a "bummer" for me, because I always use unrounded multiply >and enjoy the freedom of how long I want the new loop length to be. This is >why I don't like quatiziation. I like to have total control of my looping >output. I don't want the machine altering the time of my playing in any way >or format....howeer, I also undertand that there will likely be many new >features added to the LP1 unit, in future releases of software which I hear >will be frequent. Perhaps unrounded multiply will come out fairly quickly. >It's definitely a hard requirement for me. > >Kris hi Kris, I believe (although of course I'm to some extent guessing) that there would be a great alternative to UnRounded Mult. Which would be to simply start another un-synced loop. For "overdubbing" a rhythm onto a free loop that would in some ways actually be better, avoiding the glitch where the loop is joined. Or are you into redefining the rhythm on an existing loop? andy butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 15:01:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7B0B3BEE0; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:01:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <05E58905-A77D-42B5-B6AB-B1FDF97FE3AB@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <05E58905-A77D-42B5-B6AB-B1FDF97FE3AB@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: vortex manual Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:01:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:01:44 +0000 (UTC) does anyone have the pdfs of the vortex manuals? or can you point to a site that has them? thanks monk@fuse.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 15:02:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B3943BEE6; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <05E58905-A77D-42B5-B6AB-B1FDF97FE3AB@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <05E58905-A77D-42B5-B6AB-B1FDF97FE3AB@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4EF43955-29DC-43F6-B8D1-6D50BD026C6F@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: nevermind Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:02:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:02:51 +0000 (UTC) i found the vortex stuff at the LD site. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 15:25:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C493A3BEE6; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q3FzCSSNSnXAMcGilIGbA4yIxf4xCaPum3Obsfe7UTzLdPQEcmsjVQzsaC0DvT5yxn1435nPwf3+UiEtkZr2dpk19p5mgbZGWCKW5rIMatwyorAyrzeo/fkRSr/1ueivZgdKAn8P+t2PrrQjuutSByqHv81g6PPE6UjNZKI1meQ= Message-ID: <64b81a780512300725i57efed1fidb37f001f42ba241@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:25:38 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vortex manual In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <05E58905-A77D-42B5-B6AB-B1FDF97FE3AB@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:25:39 +0000 (UTC) I did have them. I'll dig around and see if I can find them. In the interim, here's the Votex Manual as a series of GIFs as found on the LD page: Enjoy, Todd On 12/30/05, monk wrote: > does anyone have the pdfs of the vortex manuals? or can you point to > a site that has them? > > thanks > > > monk@fuse.net > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 15:28:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF12E3BEEE; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R2XiT1KJZdJRlbpD3GJs4OwcxZtb9o0z/8xDBRPc6l95plZejIyOEZIYSj0hN1eW6z8UHv3Z4G0pbGR8nN4nAkfRNr2VsZ9aqJ8LmfZglAWomvt4VY0ALddJwz2O4kJ/ihPFkYOf9m0SSFyxQyYg9A+wVVibmw6VyHmCh6+unC8= Message-ID: <64b81a780512300728t509b3e2as4b73c853e7761218@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:28:38 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vortex manual In-Reply-To: <64b81a780512300725i57efed1fidb37f001f42ba241@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <05E58905-A77D-42B5-B6AB-B1FDF97FE3AB@steve-lawson.co.uk> <64b81a780512300725i57efed1fidb37f001f42ba241@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Here's a PDF version as found on Andy Butler's excellent Vortex page: On 12/30/05, Todd Pafford wrote: > I did have them. I'll dig around and see if I can find them. In the > interim, here's the Votex Manual as a series of GIFs as found on the > LD page: > > > Enjoy, > Todd > > On 12/30/05, monk wrote: > > does anyone have the pdfs of the vortex manuals? or can you point to > > a site that has them? > > > > thanks > > > > > > monk@fuse.net > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 15:57:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AECE3BEE0; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: DL4 exp pedal alternatives Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:57:03 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000b01c60d59$ad893a60$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1Es9E53p1C-0003aQ@mrelay.perfora.net> Thread-Index: AcYM2wIls3rLn+l9S8qz4pQn2OQygAABgLwAAB4S+6A= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:57:09 +0000 (UTC) I use a cheap home-brand pedal of a local music store (www.thomann.de), = and while they don't look sturdy, it has never given me any troubles. (I = have about 10 of them). Just to understand this right: you're using an expression pedal (meaning = the pedal you connect to the corresponding jack on the DL4), not a volume = pedal (e.g. in the outs), and this results in cracking? Looks like DL4 didn't really go out of their ways to implement a simple filtering on the exp = pedal signal to avoid this kind of behaviour... -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Dezember 2005 02:39 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: DL4 exp pedal alternatives I am currently using one of those horribly cheap re-branded Bespeco = Line6 exp pedals for the DL4, and I swear, it cracks more every time I use = it. >From what I understand it uses a 10k pot inside. Anyone ever come up = with a better alternative? I know there is an Ernie Ball volume pedal with a 20k pot which may work (?)...just want ideas what other people use. =20 Dave Eichenberger=20 http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 16:19:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8B473BEFA; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: m-audio plastic expression pedal Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:18:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c60d5c$afad99a0$0401000a@domain.tecsystem.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C60D32.C6D791A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <00d401c60cdc$1f63f220$0200a8c0@pcdaw> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:19:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C60D32.C6D791A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Continuous controllers generally need TRS cables, because in most = instances, 3 conductors are necessary to produce a varying voltage. =20 -- Sarth =20 -----Original Message----- From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: m-audio plastic expression pedal=20 =20 >Gear questions: are the new M-audio plastic expression pedals any good? Yes, they're cheap ($30), and light (so I'm told), but are they=20 >any good? =20 =20 I have one, it's ok. I use it with a Vortex and it doesn't seem to have = the range adjusted quite right. It'll go through the whole range of the = Vortex in about 60% of the pedals travel. It seems pretty sturdy though. I = only use mine in my studio, so I have no idea how well it holds up to serious gigging. For what I use it for, it's fine, but I think I'd rather have = the nicer Roland one, but. that one is around $100 list. I've seen them on ZZounds for $55, but when I was looking they were closer to $80. ah = well. I'd spend the extra $25. =20 Tony =20 _____ =20 From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: m-audio plastic expression pedal=20 =20 Howdy! Gear questions: are the new M-audio plastic expression pedals any good? = Yes, they're cheap ($30), and light (so I'm told), but are they any good? =20 Also, do continuous controllers and the Lexicon "cameltoe" footswitches really need "real" balanced TRS cables, or are there thinner, lighter, easier-to-handle cables made for the purpose? =20 Thanks, Tim =20 Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C60D32.C6D791A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Continuous controllers generally = need TRS cables, because in most instances, 3 conductors are necessary to produce = a varying voltage.

     

    -- Sarth

     

    -----Original = Message-----
    From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]
    Sent: Thursday, December = 29, 2005 7:58 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: RE: m-audio = plastic expression pedal

     

    >Gear = questions: are the new M-audio plastic expression pedals any good? Yes, they're cheap = ($30), and light (so I'm told), but are they

    >any = good?

     

     

    I have one, = it’s ok.  I use it with a Vortex and it doesn’t seem to have the = range adjusted quite right.  It’ll go through the whole range of = the Vortex in about 60% of the pedals travel.  It seems pretty sturdy though.  I only use mine in my studio, so I have no idea how well = it holds up to serious gigging.  For what I use it for, it’s fine, but = I think I’d rather have the nicer Roland one, but… that one is = around $100 list.  I’ve seen them on ZZounds for $55, but when I was looking they were closer to $80.  ah well.  I’d spend = the extra $25.

     

    Tony

     

    From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]
    Sent: Wednesday, December = 28, 2005 9:53 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight
    Subject: m-audio plastic expression pedal

     

    Howdy!

    Gear questions: = are the new M-audio plastic expression pedals any good? Yes, they're cheap = ($30), and light (so I'm told), but are they any good?

     

    Also, = do continuous controllers and the Lexicon "cameltoe" footswitches = really need "real" balanced TRS cables, or are there thinner, lighter, easier-to-handle cables made for the purpose?

     

    Thanks,

    Tim

     

    Timothy = Mungenast

    Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C60D32.C6D791A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 16:39:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A47353BEF4; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:39:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 427, in=202878, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <2QrK7.A.spB.4KWtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I realize the obvious fact that LD is the best source of information on what the most important features would be for a new looping unit, and that is what I was alluding to, but I was suggesting that this data mining occur with a formal process, and one that ends with a prioritization from a good portion of the members. I've been to the Looperlative forum too...it's a great start, and Bob has been amazing in responsding to questions, including my own. It's probably too late to act on my suggestion, given that Bob already had the feature set locked for the release, but in hindsight, if I had been the program manager for the development of the unit, I would have done what any program manager in marketing would have done with the development of a new product, namely conducted a series of focus groups and use various data collection tools to understand what the most important features are to customers, and how they prioritize them. And then I would have shared this with them with a confidentiality agreement. Maybe Bob did this...I don't know. I'm sure he's talked to a lot of people and has been taking note of many discussision in LD regarding desireable features. I'm suggesting something more formal. I'm sure that in the end the LP1 will be a superior unit, and I'm not trying to bash Bob or how he is going about developing this project. If anything, I'm recommending a process that generally makes development easier. A formal process might make getting there more timely and cost effective. This is one way to address limited time from a developer. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > >>>What would be nice is if Bob had someone create a web-based > survey of all the available features on the LP1, first release, along with list of > possible features, and have us prioritize the entire list. In other > words, let the potential buyer define the feature set.<<< > It's already there... it's called Looper's Delight. Bob's been a > subscriber and poster here for years. his understanding of looping > requirements is pretty well tied in with the nature of discussions > here. the reason for having beta testers is to check whether the > software works and to have people try out all the stuff that loopers > are likely to want, most of it based on discussion on here. And also > to have people to interact with on the process rather than spending > all day every day fielding requests/complaints/demands from people > who aren't a committed part of the project. the LD community can be > pretty damn demanding when it comes to things like this, and Bob > clearly has a limited amount of time to field this stuff given that > it's just him (I don't work for Looperlative, I'm just doing the beta- > testing, and am an endorsing artist of the box) - I'm sure Bob would > have been answering all this himself, but he's off work on holiday at > the moment... ...which means that all of this stuff is my thoughts, > not official company policy. :o) > > Oh, and there is a looperlative forum if you want to post questions/ > comments/ideas already. If you have some feature that would been the > deal breaker in you buying one, post it on the forum. I'm sure Bob > knows about it already from here, but it can't hurt. ;o) > > cheers, > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 16:47:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C5143BEFB; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006e01c60d60$af1b6ef0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051229234710.22D613BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051230120307.0284de70@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Re: Re:feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:47:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 425, in=187194, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:47:16 +0000 (UTC) > >I believe this confirms my understanding that the Looperlative LP1 will only > >do rounded multiply, correct? This makes sense, given the mention of > >intervals (aboe) of how long you want to extend your next loop, 4, 8, etc. > >This is indeed a "bummer" for me, because I always use unrounded multiply > >and enjoy the freedom of how long I want the new loop length to be. This is > >why I don't like quatiziation. I like to have total control of my looping > >output. I don't want the machine altering the time of my playing in any way > >or format....howeer, I also undertand that there will likely be many new > >features added to the LP1 unit, in future releases of software which I hear > >will be frequent. Perhaps unrounded multiply will come out fairly quickly. > >It's definitely a hard requirement for me. > > > >Kris > > hi Kris, > > I believe (although of course I'm to some extent guessing) that there > would be a great alternative to UnRounded Mult. > Which would be to simply start another un-synced loop. > > For "overdubbing" a rhythm onto a free loop that would in some ways actually > be better, avoiding the glitch where the loop is joined. > > Or are you into redefining the rhythm on an existing loop? I guess both, since I do both. If starting another loop does the trick to simulate the typical un-rounded Multipy function, excellent. Not sure about doing something similar to hitting record after multiplying and having it redefine the original loop length..that is very important to me as well...when you create a time signatured groove over the top of a non-metered soundcape. I'll post this question in the looperlative forum, but my guess is that the response will be the same as many other responses, namely that it is possible to do in the software, and it is being considered for future releases. Isn't this an important feature to most EDP loopers? I could play without it, but it is probably one of the most useful features for me, especially when you are laying massive landscapes down and you want to convert it into someting that a percussionist could play to in time, or even yourself. How often do you use this? I just remember when either you or Kim told me how to do that on my EPD...that made my year. Kris > > andy butler > www.andybutler.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 16:58:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 061413BF01; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cd01c60d62$357c1c00$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Re:feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:58:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 90, in=53407, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Again, just to avoid any confusion, I am NOT bashing or disrespecting Bob here. [Bob, if you are reading this, please don't take this personally...I'm just being my normal critical self and putting my thoughts into email, given how much of a tough crowd LD can be and how demanding they can be] Believe me, I am on the verge of worshiping Bob based on what I know about the LP1 thus far. And if I can figure out how to get the bucks, I'll be one of the first to buy one of the units and use the hell out of it, and even replace my EDPs if it does what I on them. I am REALLY excited about this unit. I'm merely conveying how I would have gone about collecting data for development, that's all. Each person probably has their own approach for getting this done, and many will likely lead to the same set of results. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Re:feedback/features/new loopers... > Yes, I realize the obvious fact that LD is the best source of information on > what the most important features would be for a new looping unit, and that > is what I was alluding to, but I was suggesting that this data mining occur > with a formal process, and one that ends with a prioritization from a good > portion of the members. I've been to the Looperlative forum too...it's a > great start, and Bob has been amazing in responsding to questions, including > my own. > > It's probably too late to act on my suggestion, given that Bob already had > the feature set locked for the release, but in hindsight, if I had been the > program manager for the development of the unit, I would have done what any > program manager in marketing would have done with the development of a new > product, namely conducted a series of focus groups and use various data > collection tools to understand what the most important features are to > customers, and how they prioritize them. And then I would have shared this > with them with a confidentiality agreement. > > Maybe Bob did this...I don't know. I'm sure he's talked to a lot of people > and has been taking note of many discussision in LD regarding desireable > features. I'm suggesting something more formal. I'm sure that in the end the > LP1 will be a superior unit, and I'm not trying to bash Bob or how he is > going about developing this project. If anything, I'm recommending a process > that generally makes development easier. A formal process might make getting > there more timely and cost effective. This is one way to address limited > time from a developer. > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>>What would be nice is if Bob had someone create a web-based > > survey of all the available features on the LP1, first release, along with > list of > > possible features, and have us prioritize the entire list. In other > > words, let the potential buyer define the feature set.<<< > > > It's already there... it's called Looper's Delight. Bob's been a > > subscriber and poster here for years. his understanding of looping > > requirements is pretty well tied in with the nature of discussions > > here. the reason for having beta testers is to check whether the > > software works and to have people try out all the stuff that loopers > > are likely to want, most of it based on discussion on here. And also > > to have people to interact with on the process rather than spending > > all day every day fielding requests/complaints/demands from people > > who aren't a committed part of the project. the LD community can be > > pretty damn demanding when it comes to things like this, and Bob > > clearly has a limited amount of time to field this stuff given that > > it's just him (I don't work for Looperlative, I'm just doing the beta- > > testing, and am an endorsing artist of the box) - I'm sure Bob would > > have been answering all this himself, but he's off work on holiday at > > the moment... ...which means that all of this stuff is my thoughts, > > not official company policy. :o) > > > > Oh, and there is a looperlative forum if you want to post questions/ > > comments/ideas already. If you have some feature that would been the > > deal breaker in you buying one, post it on the forum. 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    Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-68242537-1135962252=:51246-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 17:13:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33AF33BF0E; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B56B8F.5000703@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:17:03 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00cd01c60d62$357c1c00$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00cd01c60d62$357c1c00$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: >Believe me, I am on the verge of worshiping Bob based on what I know about >the LP1 thus far. > A candidate for the Looper's Delight Deity Page? |:Om/mO:|, David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 17:19:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84E793BEEA; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ea01c60d65$36288140$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00cd01c60d62$357c1c00$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43B56B8F.5000703@Hevanet.com> Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:19:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 427, in=202915, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <9secI.A.sPD.swWtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Along with Mathias, Andy, and others involved with the EDP software design? Why not... :) Can I get a little marble bust of each one to put in front my practice chair? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: ".David.Auker." > Kris Hartung wrote: > > >Believe me, I am on the verge of worshiping Bob based on what I know about > >the LP1 thus far. > > > > A candidate for the Looper's Delight Deity Page? > > |:Om/mO:|, David > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 17:25:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59CD63BF1E; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <006e01c60d60$af1b6ef0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20051229234710.22D613BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051230120307.0284de70@tiscali.co.uk> <006e01c60d60$af1b6ef0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9FF7101D-563D-4A8E-A3A9-6171391C13D4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:25:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:25:17 +0000 (UTC) On 30 dec 2005, at 17.47, Kris Hartung wrote: >> UnRounded Mult. > Isn't this an important feature to most EDP loopers? Yes! I would say it's crucial for any looping. I use it all the time =20 in my EDP and M=F6bius. Especially when playing with others I wouldn't =20= go without it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 17:31:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D33FA3BEB8; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <9FF7101D-563D-4A8E-A3A9-6171391C13D4@boysen.se> References: <20051229234710.22D613BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051230120307.0284de70@tiscali.co.uk> <006e01c60d60$af1b6ef0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9FF7101D-563D-4A8E-A3A9-6171391C13D4@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <09D15DB2-9F92-4319-99AD-9C06F1C20E01@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:31:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:31:48 +0000 (UTC) > On 30 dec 2005, at 17.47, Kris Hartung wrote: > >>> UnRounded Mult. > >> Isn't this an important feature to most EDP loopers? > > On 30 dec 2005, at 18.25, Per Boysen wrote: > Yes! I would say it's crucial for any looping. I use it all the =20 > time in my EDP and M=F6bius. Especially when playing with others I =20 > wouldn't go without it. (forgot this:) BTW, that's why I like MIDI Clock better than Brother Sync when =20 jamming with others. If doing the UnRounded Multi in a group session =20 the Bro sync is lost. With MIDI Clock you seem to be able to trash =20 and mangle extensively and always find a way to get back into some =20 kind of groove. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 17:37:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52C9C3BF1D; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f601c60d67$c2403c20$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051229234710.22D613BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051230120307.0284de70@tiscali.co.uk> <006e01c60d60$af1b6ef0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9FF7101D-563D-4A8E-A3A9-6171391C13D4@boysen.se> Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:37:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 427, in=202934, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:37:55 +0000 (UTC) And you mean the sub-feature of this, when you hit Record and it redefines the original loop length, right? Or do you mean just using Multiply to record, and hitting Multipy to stop the loop, but in an un-rounded manner? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... On 30 dec 2005, at 17.47, Kris Hartung wrote: >> UnRounded Mult. > Isn't this an important feature to most EDP loopers? Yes! I would say it's crucial for any looping. I use it all the time in my EDP and Möbius. Especially when playing with others I wouldn't go without it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 18:35:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 979503BF1F; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20051230170412.52318.qmail@web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051230170412.52318.qmail@web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <2de3d921a03940d6d913529db2e1b12e@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: best busking cities Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:35:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:35:33 +0000 (UTC) I was toying with the idea of doing some of that at the Pearl Street=20 Mall in Boulder, CO next spring/ summer. Supposed to be musician=20 friendly. Any "Boulderites" on list that provide info? On Dec 30, 2005, at 10:04 AM, daniel stevenson wrote: > gimmie the skinny, > =A0=A0=A0=A0 where the buffalo roam and the skies are not cloudy all = day,cool=20 > cops who tip.liberal possession laws.lots of foot traffic.little old=20= > ladies.fair priced lodging.lots of stoners with money & or=20 > treats.folks who smile.spots with good acoustics.no permits=20 > needed.chicks in bikinis/thongs. > =A0=A0=A0=A0 if you know of these places...share the knowledge. > loopyness, > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 danny. > =A0=A0 > > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 18:53:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2DD3BF11; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:53:27 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:53:08 +0000 (UTC) >>>And you mean the sub-feature of this, when you hit Record and it redefines the original loop length, right? Or do you mean just using Multiply to record, and hitting Multipy to stop the loop, but in an un-rounded manner?<<< I certainly use both types of multiply, though on the looperlative, I'm finding it much more organic and musical to be able to leave the ambient loop intact and still impose rhythmic form on top by running the rhythm loop in a second unsynced track... Because on the LP1 you can change which is the reference loop for the syncing you could even do three separate ambient layers of the same length, then drop a rhythm loop into track 4 of a different length, reassign that as the master loop and fill the remaining four tracks with stuff synced to that, all of which can then be set to decay at different rates, muted, paused, turned up or down volume-wise etc. etc. Mind mind is boggling at the possibilities just with this beta software! cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 18:57:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDE7F3BF20; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011401c60d72$e66417b0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051230170412.52318.qmail@web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2de3d921a03940d6d913529db2e1b12e@mac.com> Subject: Re: best busking cities Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:57:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 90, in=53477, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <0EqMdD.A.POG.kMYtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Boise, Idaho, from the Spring through Fall (April through October), has a program sponsored by the Boise Arts Commission. They pay musicians to play on the street on Saturday late morning, during our recurring Farmer's Market. There is usually a musician on each street corner of a block (three performers total, a week)...they usually pay them $100 for each performance. That's one nice thing Boise has done to support local musicians. I've seen everything from violon and guitar duos to sitarists and hand percussionists. They don't guarantee power, but sometimes folks are able to find an outlet nearby or get permission from one of the businesses to use their outlet. I believe they accept out of state applicants as well, but I'm not certain. More info here: http://www.cityofboise.org/arts_commission/Events/arts_at_market/?MID=021Y Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mimlitsch" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: best busking cities I was toying with the idea of doing some of that at the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, CO next spring/ summer. Supposed to be musician friendly. Any "Boulderites" on list that provide info? On Dec 30, 2005, at 10:04 AM, daniel stevenson wrote: > gimmie the skinny, > where the buffalo roam and the skies are not cloudy all day,cool > cops who tip.liberal possession laws.lots of foot traffic.little old > ladies.fair priced lodging.lots of stoners with money & or > treats.folks who smile.spots with good acoustics.no permits > needed.chicks in bikinis/thongs. > if you know of these places...share the knowledge. > loopyness, > danny. > > > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 19:08:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 043DB3BF2F; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011e01c60d74$6630cf00$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:08:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 425, in=187279, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <8fQWF.A.W1G.nWYtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:08:23 +0000 (UTC) So, are you saying that on the LP1, I can record, let say a loop on track 1 that is 30 seconds long, with no time signature, and then record a loop on track 2 that is 40 seconds long and is 16 measure long, set that track 2 as the reference, and track 1 will repeat within that 16 measures? In this case, it would have to play the track 1 loop once and start again for 10 seconds before starting again. Or if my second loop on track 2 is shorter than the loop on track 1 (let's say track 2 is 20 seconds), how will track 1 play? Will it play for 20 seconds and start over, thus cutting off the last 10 seconds? Or will it play for 20 seconds, play 10 more seconds on the second recurrance of loop 2, and then start over again? I'm very curious how it performs the above use cases. Kris > >>>And you mean the sub-feature of this, when you hit Record and it > redefines > the original loop length, right? Or do you mean just using Multiply to > record, and hitting Multipy to stop the loop, but in an un-rounded > manner?<<< > > I certainly use both types of multiply, though on the looperlative, > I'm finding it much more organic and musical to be able to leave the > ambient loop intact and still impose rhythmic form on top by running > the rhythm loop in a second unsynced track... Because on the LP1 you > can change which is the reference loop for the syncing you could even > do three separate ambient layers of the same length, then drop a > rhythm loop into track 4 of a different length, reassign that as the > master loop and fill the remaining four tracks with stuff synced to > that, all of which can then be set to decay at different rates, > muted, paused, turned up or down volume-wise etc. etc. Mind mind is > boggling at the possibilities just with this beta software! > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 19:09:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9505D3BF3C; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <10EFC61C-EEF8-4BF3-8E7F-44DA3221C0D1@the0verclock.com> References: <20051229111106.LKHL16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@BERTY> <588ce11d0512290726p163700b2l4566790164fb13aa@mail.gmail.com> <10EFC61C-EEF8-4BF3-8E7F-44DA3221C0D1@the0verclock.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B14316E-F0C4-49EE-B6D8-20FBA1E72EA0@spector5crfm.demon.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Christopher Goss Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 looper Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:08:56 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi There's a good loop machine tutorial video on the native instruments website, it's worth a look as it gives you a rough idea what it can do. https://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?id=guitarrig2_us Chris. On 30 Dec 2005, at 00:17, Brian Cass wrote: > hey hey - > > i have been away and now have about 500 emails to catch up on, i > noticed this though in the pile. I am now learning the guitar rig > stuff for work (native-instruments) and will be demoing it > (including the looper) at NAMM. I have not spent much time with it > but so far it seems cool. there is no feedback control or > multitrack mixing ability, but you can have multiple loopers, as is > the nature of GR. I will report back when i have more to offer. > > - b > > > > > > On Dec 29, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >> >>> I notice AcademicSuperstore.com >>> is offering an "academic version" for $329.95. >> >> The only difference is price. It's not a different version of the >> software per se. >> >> Jeff >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 19:11:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB0F53BF0E; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00f601c60d67$c2403c20$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20051229234710.22D613BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051230120307.0284de70@tiscali.co.uk> <006e01c60d60$af1b6ef0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9FF7101D-563D-4A8E-A3A9-6171391C13D4@boysen.se> <00f601c60d67$c2403c20$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <121D7881-E73E-4A7C-9DE2-7E27BE2EA4FF@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:11:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:11:51 +0000 (UTC) On 30 dec 2005, at 18.37, Kris Hartung wrote: > And you mean the sub-feature of this, when you hit Record and it =20 > redefines > the original loop length, right? Or do you mean just using Multiply to > record, and hitting Multipy to stop the loop, but in an un-rounded =20 > manner? Usually I use the first method. Sometimes I do the second as well. On 30 dec 2005, at 19.53, Steve Lawson wrote: > Because on the LP1 you can change which is the reference loop for =20 > the syncing you could even do three separate ambient layers of the =20 > same length, then drop a rhythm loop into track 4 of a different =20 > length, reassign that as the master loop and fill the remaining =20 > four tracks with stuff synced to that, all of which can then be set =20= > to decay at different rates, Wow, that's cool! Similar to how I was looping back when I had a =20 Repeater and an EDP Midi Clock synced. Also similar to M=F6bius, except =20= that you have to stay with Track 1 as the tempo reference. Too bad =20 there is no manual or parameter list for LP1 available, it would be =20 nice to get a better hang of the thing ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 19:29:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88F9D3BF12; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:30:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <4kmU6D.A.mfH.mqYtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Kris, > if I had been the > program manager for the development of the unit, I would have done what any > program manager in marketing would have done with the development of a new > product, namely conducted a series of focus groups Ah! Built in mediocrity. I'd much rather see the result of Bob's vision unadulterated, than some marketeer's compromise. Why do you think the loopers coming from the big-name companies are so lame? Focus groups and market-driven design ... Great Art rarely gets made by committee. And before you ask, yes I work in advertising ... ;-) -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 19:41:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A18303BF2A; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013c01c60d79$0137b5f0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:41:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 427, in=191907, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:41:22 +0000 (UTC) > Kris, > > > if I had been the > > program manager for the development of the unit, I would have done what any > > program manager in marketing would have done with the development of a new > > product, namely conducted a series of focus groups > > Ah! Built in mediocrity. I'd much rather see the result of Bob's vision > unadulterated, than some marketeer's compromise. Please validate your claim. Are saying there is a better and more efficient way to design a product that doesn't involve communicating directly with a decent sample of potential users, documenting the list of features, and then prioritizing them? Have you worked in a future product marketing team? They work hand in hand with R&D. One can't function without the other. > Why do you think the loopers > coming from the big-name companies are so lame? I don't believe I said that, so you'll have to retract your statement. > Focus groups and market-driven > design ... Great Art rarely gets made by committee. Committee? What do you mean? And I did not limit the data collection process to focus groups alone. Product marketing research uses various tools. > And before you ask, yes I work in advertising ... ;-) Advertising and product marketing are two entirely different functions in a corporation. Product maketing is designing the product with R&D even before the proto-type phase, when it is still a concept. I've worked with both. As I said, product marketing folks are the voice of the customer need for R&D. I corpration would have to be comprised of idiots, in my opinion, to design a product with no data on customer need. I don't no of a single corporation who doesn't design products this way. It's the basics of marketing, the Five P's - product, place, promotion, etc... Kris > > Ian Petersen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 20:02:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04A873BF20; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014d01c60d7b$ed060110$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <013c01c60d79$0137b5f0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:02:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 427, in=191919, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Here's an example. I used to work in R&D for HP, and I managed a database and tool that stored product requirements (features, behaviors, benefits, priority, etc) for LaserJet printers. I worked with other folks in R&D and future product marketing. They reviewed and collected requirements from customers via various data collection methods - focus groups, surveys, interviews with executives, industry analysts, and power users, etc. Once we completed the requirement collection and validation, I used the tool to generate various reports for marketing and R&D leads. They used that data in R&D to drive the design of the product. This process helped us develop award winning products. I specifically remember features that were developed because of direct customer input. If we had left it up to the engineers to design the product, that would have resulted in a product designed with features that they thought were important, but which weren't necessarily important to the target customer. The engineers often had a completely different view of what features they wanted to build in to the product...often driven by capability or leveraging their area of specialty, or something else they were working on. I'm willing to bet that if you probed all of the fortune 500 companies, you would find that they had a similar process for designing products...and they wouldn't consider it a process of mediocrity, but one of necessity to survive and compete in the marketplace. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:41 PM Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... > > Kris, > > > > > if I had been the > > > program manager for the development of the unit, I would have done what > any > > > program manager in marketing would have done with the development of a > new > > > product, namely conducted a series of focus groups > > > > Ah! Built in mediocrity. I'd much rather see the result of Bob's vision > > unadulterated, than some marketeer's compromise. > > Please validate your claim. Are saying there is a better and more efficient > way to design a product that doesn't involve communicating directly with a > decent sample of potential users, documenting the list of features, and then > prioritizing them? Have you worked in a future product marketing team? They > work hand in hand with R&D. One can't function without the other. > > > Why do you think the loopers > > coming from the big-name companies are so lame? > > I don't believe I said that, so you'll have to retract your statement. > > > Focus groups and market-driven > > design ... Great Art rarely gets made by committee. > > Committee? What do you mean? And I did not limit the data collection > process to focus groups alone. Product marketing research uses various > tools. > > > And before you ask, yes I work in advertising ... ;-) > > Advertising and product marketing are two entirely different functions in a > corporation. Product maketing is designing the product with R&D even before > the proto-type phase, when it is still a concept. I've worked with both. As > I said, product marketing folks are the voice of the customer need for R&D. > I corpration would have to be comprised of idiots, in my opinion, to design > a product with no data on customer need. I don't no of a single corporation > who doesn't design products this way. It's the basics of marketing, the Five > P's - product, place, promotion, etc... > > Kris > > > > > Ian Petersen > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 20:12:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F5333BF27; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,316,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="147842975:sNHT22594704" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20051230121048.011592a0@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:12:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... In-Reply-To: <013c01c60d79$0137b5f0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:12:21 +0000 (UTC) You might not have said it and you might not believe it, but that does seem to be the consensus of this list about a majority of the devices out there. At 2005.12.30 11:41 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Why do you think the loopers > > coming from the big-name companies are so lame? > >I don't believe I said that, so you'll have to retract your statement. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 20:22:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2C5A3BF0A; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017f01c60d7e$d1a88340$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20051230121048.011592a0@mail02.powweb.com> Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:22:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 427, in=191935, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I agree!! Thus, the criticality of tightening up the process of gathering good user and feature data from customers, which includes big names, consumers, etc. That's what I'm saying here, but I didn't say that big loopers coming from big name companies are lame...of course, now that I look at it, I think I may have misinterpreted Ian's use of "loopers". I thought he meant loopers as in people, big name loopers, not loopers as in gear. Given this, then I would suspect the methods by which these companies gather their data needs improvement as well. Maybe they need to take lessons from some of the bigger corporations who do successfully design projects that meet customer needs. On the other hand, maybe they are driving their product design from a different set of users. I mean, 400 loopers on LD may have a different perspective on what they want in a looping device than 10,000 kids round the world. Which has the most potential for revenue? It would be really interesting to talk to a product marketing person at a company like Boss of Line 6, and pick their brain on how they do things, and ask what basis they had for the features they chose in these products. I think their stupid. I feel compelled to believe that they know what the feature Feedback is, and there was a reason why they didn't incoporate it into their product..either because of cost, inability to do so because of they architecture, or becuase of what those 10,000 kids want. They are obviosly going to go with where the money is. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... > You might not have said it and you might not believe it, but that does seem > to be the consensus of this list about a majority of the devices out there. > > > At 2005.12.30 11:41 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > Why do you think the loopers > > > coming from the big-name companies are so lame? > > > >I don't believe I said that, so you'll have to retract your statement. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 20:26:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB0A13BF35; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,316,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="147847275:sNHT22654608" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20051230121256.0115ce50@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:26:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... In-Reply-To: <013c01c60d79$0137b5f0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:26:34 +0000 (UTC) I'm sure there are many great products that came about with zero customer input - products born of a need that an individual had. At any rate, comparing R&D of loopers to laser printers is a bit of stretch. Isn't there a guy at Apple that gets designer awards for essentially dictatorial control of lines like the iPod and powerbook? OTOH, maybe if he used focus groups, he would have found out that people don't like products that scratch so easily... (but the ipod-invisi fixes that problem, eh?) At 2005.12.30 11:41 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Ah! Built in mediocrity. I'd much rather see the result of Bob's vision > > unadulterated, than some marketeer's compromise. > >Please validate your claim. Are saying there is a better and more efficient >way to design a product that doesn't involve communicating directly with a >decent sample of potential users, documenting the list of features, and then >prioritizing them? Have you worked in a future product marketing team? They >work hand in hand with R&D. One can't function without the other. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 20:31:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF2873BF30; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019601c60d80$0c7e5a20$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... (new job at Boss) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:31:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0193_01C60D45.5F312A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.700000 More with an exclamation=0.4,cialis=0.3,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.rolandus.com) (http://www.rolandus.) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 425, in=187342, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:31:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0193_01C60D45.5F312A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone on this list should apply for this job at Boss, below. See my = bolded text in maroon. :) I'd apply but my career at HP is too solid = and secure, now at 16 years. Kris ********************************************** http://www.rolandus.com/news/employment.asp Product Specialist=20 Division: Musical Instruments Reports To: Product Support Manager Duties & Responsibilities 1.. Product Specialists perform a variety of duties related to product = support for consumers, retailers and District Sales Managers. Day to day = responsibilities include telephone product application support, = answering emails and faxes pertaining to product questions. Providing = additional question and answer input to the Product Support Database, = plus training for other Product Specialists and occasional walk-in = consumer traffic.=20 2.. From their contact with end users, Product Specialists generate = feedback as to market trends, information on application problems and = bugs, ideas for new features and products, that will be forwarded = through the Product Support Manager and Product Manager to the = appropriate channel.=20 3.. Other responsibilities include the creation of end user product = support materials, the ability and willingness to operate the department = switchboard when needed, and to be available for special projects (such = as writing, demonstrating at shows, or equipment management) as directed = by the M.I. General Manager.=20 4.. In addition to broad general knowledge of all Roland and BOSS = products, each Product Specialist must be able and willing to develop = specialized deeper knowledge of specific products or product areas as = determined by the Product Support Manager. Employment Standards Education/Experience: A college education is not required. Retail sales = experience (in a music store) is preferred. A music background in = composition, performance, and music production is required. Strong audio = recording and MIDI experience. Knowledge of musical instrument industry = a plus. Skills: Successful telephone skills; strong oral and written = communication skills; musicianship skills, ability to apply strong = analytical and problem solving skills. Computer skills are required = (word processing, etc.) Must be bilingual in English/Spanish. Knowledge: A Product Specialist should strive to have operational and = technical familiarity with all past and present Roland and BOSS products = as well as a working knowledge of other manufacturers hardware and = software products. Additionally, they must be familiar with applications = in which the products are used such as music production, music = performance, composition, education, post production, recording, etc., = so that they can troubleshoot system problems which include products = other than exclusively our own. Employee must be highly customer = oriented, with a helpful, friendly telephone manner. Physical Qualifications This position requires the ability to sit 40% of the day, walk 30% and = stand 30%. Must be able to occasionally lift and carry up to 50 pounds. = Must also be able to bend, push, pull, and reach above head, forward and = from side to side to access files. Some driving is involved to attend = seminars. Requires constant use of hands, arms, and wrist movement for = PC work. Requires the ability to write memos, and possess good spelling = skills and/or the ability to use a dictionary. Must be able to read and = comprehend what is read. Basic math skills are required. Must have good = eyesight for reading, writing and use of PC. Must have good hearing and = be able to speak clearly, for phone work and interaction with other = employees, vendors and other outside caller. This is an exempt salary position. Pay periods are bi-weekly. This job specification should not be construed to imply that these = requirements are the exclusive standards of the position. Incumbents = will follow any other instructions, and perform any other related = duties, as may be required by their supervisor. Roland offers a competitive starting salary, excellent benefits = including medical/dental/vision, 401(k) plan, life insurance, bonus plan = and more! For immediate consideration, please forward your resume with = salary requirements via E-mail: employment@rolandus.com reference Sales = and Marketing Assistant in subject line); Mail: Human Resources 5100 S. = Eastern Avenue, Los Angeles, CA. 90040; or FAX: (323) 890-3710. An equal = opportunity employer.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... > Yes, I agree!! Thus, the criticality of tightening up the process of > gathering good user and feature data from customers, which includes = big > names, consumers, etc. That's what I'm saying here, but I didn't say = that > big loopers coming from big name companies are lame...of course, now = that I > look at it, I think I may have misinterpreted Ian's use of "loopers". = I > thought he meant loopers as in people, big name loopers, not loopers = as in > gear. Given this, then I would suspect the methods by which these > companies gather their data needs improvement as well. Maybe they need = to > take lessons from some of the bigger corporations who do successfully = design > projects that meet customer needs. On the other hand, maybe they are = driving > their product design from a different set of users. I mean, 400 = loopers on > LD may have a different perspective on what they want in a looping = device > than 10,000 kids round the world. Which has the most potential for = revenue? >=20 > It would be really interesting to talk to a product marketing person = at a > company like Boss of Line 6, and pick their brain on how they do = things, and > ask what basis they had for the features they chose in these products. = I > think their stupid. I feel compelled to believe that they know what = the > feature Feedback is, and there was a reason why they didn't incoporate = it > into their product..either because of cost, inability to do so because = of > they architecture, or becuase of what those 10,000 kids want. They = are > obviosly going to go with where the money is. >=20 > Kris >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Sean Echevarria" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:12 PM > Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... >=20 >=20 > > You might not have said it and you might not believe it, but that = does > seem > > to be the consensus of this list about a majority of the devices out > there. > > > > > > At 2005.12.30 11:41 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > > > Why do you think the loopers > > > > coming from the big-name companies are so lame? > > > > > >I don't believe I said that, so you'll have to retract your = statement. > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0193_01C60D45.5F312A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Someone on this list should apply for = this job at=20 Boss, below. See my bolded text in maroon. :)  I'd apply but my = career at=20 HP is too solid and secure, now at 16 years.
     
    Kris
     
    **********************************************
    http://www.rolandus.= com/news/employment.asp
     
    Product Specialist
    Division: = Musical=20 Instruments
    Reports To: Product Support Manager

    Duties &=20 Responsibilities

    1. Product Specialists perform a variety = of duties=20 related to product support for consumers, retailers and District Sales = Managers. Day to day responsibilities include telephone product = application=20 support, answering emails and faxes pertaining to product questions. = Providing=20 additional question and answer input to the Product Support Database, = plus=20 training for other Product Specialists and occasional walk-in consumer = traffic.
    2. From = their contact=20 with end users, Product Specialists generate feedback as to market = trends,=20 information on application problems and bugs, ideas for new features = and=20 products, that will be forwarded through the Product Support Manager = and=20 Product Manager to the appropriate channel.
    3. Other responsibilities include the = creation of end=20 user product support materials, the ability and willingness to operate = the=20 department switchboard when needed, and to be available for special = projects=20 (such as writing, demonstrating at shows, or equipment management) as = directed=20 by the M.I. General Manager.
    4. In addition to broad general knowledge = of all=20 Roland and BOSS products, each Product Specialist must be able and = willing to=20 develop specialized deeper knowledge of specific products or product = areas as=20 determined by the Product Support Manager.


    Employment=20 Standards
    Education/Experience: A college education is not required. = Retail=20 sales experience (in a music store) is preferred. A music background in=20 composition, performance, and music production is required. Strong audio = recording and MIDI experience. Knowledge of musical instrument industry = a=20 plus.

    Skills: Successful telephone skills; strong oral and = written=20 communication skills; musicianship skills, ability to apply strong = analytical=20 and problem solving skills. Computer skills are required (word = processing, etc.)=20 Must be bilingual in English/Spanish.

    Knowledge: A Product = Specialist=20 should strive to have operational and technical familiarity with all = past and=20 present Roland and BOSS products as well as a working knowledge of other = manufacturers hardware and software products. Additionally, they must be = familiar with applications in which the products are used such as music=20 production, music performance, composition, education, post production,=20 recording, etc., so that they can troubleshoot system problems which = include=20 products other than exclusively our own. Employee must be highly = customer=20 oriented, with a helpful, friendly telephone manner.

    Physical=20 Qualifications
    This position requires the ability to sit 40% of the = day, walk=20 30% and stand 30%. Must be able to occasionally lift and carry up to 50 = pounds.=20 Must also be able to bend, push, pull, and reach above head, forward and = from=20 side to side to access files. Some driving is involved to attend = seminars.=20 Requires constant use of hands, arms, and wrist movement for PC work. = Requires=20 the ability to write memos, and possess good spelling skills and/or the = ability=20 to use a dictionary. Must be able to read and comprehend what is read. = Basic=20 math skills are required. Must have good eyesight for reading, writing = and use=20 of PC. Must have good hearing and be able to speak clearly, for phone = work and=20 interaction with other employees, vendors and other outside = caller.

    This=20 is an exempt salary position. Pay periods are bi-weekly.

    This job = specification should not be construed to imply that these requirements = are the=20 exclusive standards of the position. Incumbents will follow any other=20 instructions, and perform any other related duties, as may be required = by their=20 supervisor.
     
    Roland offers a competitive starting = salary,=20 excellent benefits including medical/dental/vision, 401(k) plan, life = insurance,=20 bonus plan and more! For immediate consideration, please forward your = resume=20 with salary requirements via E-mail: employment@rolandus.com reference = Sales and=20 Marketing Assistant in subject line); Mail: Human Resources 5100 S. = Eastern=20 Avenue, Los Angeles, CA. 90040; or FAX: (323) 890-3710. An equal = opportunity=20 employer.
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:22=20 PM
    Subject: Re: feedback/features/new=20 loopers...

    > Yes, I agree!! Thus, the criticality of tightening up the = process=20 of
    > gathering good user and feature data from customers, which = includes=20 big
    > names, consumers, etc. That's what I'm saying here, but I = didn't say=20 that
    > big loopers coming from big name companies are lame...of = course,=20 now that I
    > look at it, I think I may have misinterpreted Ian's = use of=20 "loopers". I
    > thought he meant loopers as in people, big name = loopers,=20 not loopers as in
    > gear.   Given this, then I would = suspect the=20 methods by which these
    > companies gather their data needs = improvement as=20 well. Maybe they need to
    > take lessons from some of the bigger=20 corporations who do successfully design
    > projects that meet = customer=20 needs. On the other hand, maybe they are driving
    > their product = design=20 from a different set of users. I mean, 400 loopers on
    > LD may = have a=20 different perspective on what they want in a looping device
    > than = 10,000=20 kids round the world. Which has the most potential for revenue?
    > =
    >=20 It would be really interesting to talk to a product marketing person at=20 a
    > company like Boss of Line 6, and pick their brain on how they = do=20 things, and
    > ask what basis they had for the features they chose = in these=20 products. I
    > think their stupid. I feel compelled to believe that = they=20 know what the
    > feature Feedback is, and there was a reason why = they=20 didn't incoporate it
    > into their product..either because of cost, = inability to do so because of
    > they architecture, or becuase of = what=20 those 10,000 kids want.  They are
    > obviosly going to go with = where=20 the money is.
    >
    > Kris
    >
    > ----- Original = Message=20 -----
    > From: "Sean Echevarria" <    sean.loop@creepingfog.com>
    >=20 To: <    Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com    >
    > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:12 PM
    > = Subject: Re:=20 feedback/features/new loopers...
    >
    >
    > > You = might not=20 have said it and you might not believe it, but that does
    > = seem
    >=20 > to be the consensus of this list about a majority of the devices=20 out
    > there.
    > >
    > >
    > > At 2005.12.30 = 11:41=20 AM, Kris Hartung wrote:
    > >
    > > > > Why do you = think the=20 loopers
    > > > > coming from the big-name companies are so = lame?
    > > >
    > > >I don't believe I said that, so = you'll=20 have to retract your statement.
    > >
    > >
    >=20     ------=_NextPart_000_0193_01C60D45.5F312A80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 20:43:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 618723BF21; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <60.64692bd5.30e6f607@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:43:51 EST Subject: Re: (new job at Boss) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_60.64692bd5.30e6f607_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <272dYC.A.C5B.OwZtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:43:58 +0000 (UTC) --part1_60.64692bd5.30e6f607_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, In a message dated 12/30/05 12:31:58 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: > http://www.rolandus.com/news/employment.asp >=20 I'd be interested in it too if it weren't a JUNIOR GRAPHIC DESIGNER job. At 30+ years of experince (not to mention once owning an ad agency) I'm a teensy bit overqualified. Someone else here ought to give it a try though. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_60.64692bd5.30e6f607_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,

    In a message dated 12/30/05 12:31:58 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes:

    http://www.rolandus.c= om/news/employment.asp

    I'd be interested in it too if it weren't a JUNIOR GRAPHIC DESIGNER job.
    At 30+ years of experince (not to mention once owning an ad agency) I'm
    a teensy bit overqualified. Someone else here ought to give it a try though.=

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
     --part1_60.64692bd5.30e6f607_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 20:49:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB86F3BF29; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0E156C38-6AE0-4C25-83D0-7C090E2ED848@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:49:35 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:49:14 +0000 (UTC) >>>So, are you saying that on the LP1, I can record, let say a loop on track 1 that is 30 seconds long, with no time signature, and then record a loop on track 2 that is 40 seconds long and is 16 measure long, set that track 2 as the reference, and track 1 will repeat within that 16 measures? In this case, it would have to play the track 1 loop once and start again for 10 seconds before starting again.<<< nope, not saying that at all... by resetting the master sync loop, I mean that the layers you add AFTER that will sync to the new master track. The tracks before will stay as they were, the same length as eachother (I've yet to do any experimenting to see if they'll drift from one another, but there's no reason to suggest that they should given that they are now fixed at the same length in the same box using the same processor etc. etc. I'll try and draw what I'm saying - loop one (ambient goo) - Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx loop 2 (ambient goo synced to loop 1 length doubled) ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo together - XxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo loop three comes along, rhythmic loop, different length to others, unsynced - zzzEzzzEzzzEzzzEzzzE loops one and two carry on doing their thing, as though in a completely separate unit... loop three can now be set as the loop for any other additional loops to be synced to, so if loop 3 was a bassline, you can add a chordal part to it, or a melody or whatever, in sync, without messing with what loops 1 and 2 are doing. and on the production model (the ones that'll be at NAMM), you'll have three separate stereo outs to route them to - master out and two stereo auxes, so you could post-process the ambient mush one way, the chords on loop four differently, and leave the bass part on loop 3 untouched. So no, as of now, it doesn't do EDP-style multiply, but the musical possibilities with that little lot are so freakin huge!!!! I'll see how much of this I'm able to demo at NAMM. :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 20:50:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB55F3BF36; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b801c60d82$9719d540$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20051230121256.0115ce50@mail02.powweb.com> Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:49:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 90, in=53553, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:50:00 +0000 (UTC) > I'm sure there are many great products that came about with zero customer > input - products born of a need that an individual had. Well, the designer can be a user too, so that is a form of user input (not customer)...but this is an extreme. Find me one recent technology product, and one that actually sold and made money, where someone designed it with absolutely no potential customer input...no informal discussions with others, etc. Maybe you can find one or two, I don't know, but whose going to argue that the exception should be the norm? Is what you are proposing here? I'm proposing that it makes good sense to involve the customer in the design of a product, and the more efficient you are at doing this, the higher the probability that you'll design a product that sells and meets user needs. Why would you consider comparing a looping device with a LaserJet a bad or invalid comparison. Both have hardware. Both have software. Both have processors and memory. Both use some form of propietary design. Both target users that will need at least some degree of technical knowledge or skill to use them. Both are released by companies, in most cases, by companies that have marketing and R&D departments. What would you rather compare looper design with, a mouse trap? Let's build a better mousetrap/looper. I doubt very much whether marketing and R&D folks in companies like Boss are spending thousands of dollars to re-invent the whole wheel of how to market and design a product. They can't afford to do this. Everyone leveages best practice for their own benefit. These engineers, and marketing professionals, belong and subscribe to, or at least keep up to date on industry standard practices for design, etc. There are societies, professions programs..then there is the fact that many marketing folks with education in marketin or business, will have been exposed to similar methodologies for marketing and designing products. Now why can't we make the comparison? I worked in R&D. If I had the same job for Boss, I have not doubt I'd be using similar processes to document product features, requirements, etc. It makes good sense....good, good sense. (trivia: what song did I just quote here?) > Isn't there a guy at Apple that gets designer awards for essentially > dictatorial control of lines like the iPod and powerbook? OTOH, maybe if > he used focus groups, he would have found out that people don't like > products that scratch so easily... (but the ipod-invisi fixes that > problem, eh?) Probably, and there are guys like that in HP as well, who work in HP Labs. They invent ideas. But that isn't product marketing and R&D. These guys are thinktanks for coming up with the general idea of a product..they don't design it down to the feature level. There are whole teams of poeple in different divisions that do that. Kris Kris At any rate, > comparing R&D of loopers to laser printers is a bit of stretch. > > Isn't there a guy at Apple that gets designer awards for essentially > dictatorial control of lines like the iPod and powerbook? OTOH, maybe if > he used focus groups, he would have found out that people don't like > products that scratch so easily... (but the ipod-invisi fixes that > problem, eh?) > > > At 2005.12.30 11:41 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Ah! Built in mediocrity. I'd much rather see the result of Bob's vision > > > unadulterated, than some marketeer's compromise. > > > >Please validate your claim. Are saying there is a better and more efficient > >way to design a product that doesn't involve communicating directly with a > >decent sample of potential users, documenting the list of features, and then > >prioritizing them? Have you worked in a future product marketing team? They > >work hand in hand with R&D. One can't function without the other. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 20:57:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E989B3BF36; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c001c60d83$ac4e5750$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <0E156C38-6AE0-4C25-83D0-7C090E2ED848@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:57:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 90, in=53556, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:57:43 +0000 (UTC) I like your diagrams, Steve. So, what happens when you make loop three the master sync loop? When do the loops 1 and 2 start over again relative to this loop? In other words, when loop 3 ends, do loops 1 and 2 start over, or keep on going? If the latter, then how are they synced to loop 3? Maybe you are saying that they can't be. Or when your loop 1 and loop 2 are different lenghts, and you make the longer one the master? Can you diagram that and show what happens to the excess Xs or Os? Does the shorter loop repeat and go only part of the way to fill in the space of the longer loop? Kris > loop one (ambient goo) - > > Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > loop 2 (ambient goo synced to loop 1 length doubled) > > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo > > together - > > XxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo > > loop three comes along, rhythmic loop, different length to others, > unsynced - > > zzzEzzzEzzzEzzzEzzzE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 21:17:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6572A3BF30; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20051230203148.482723BF3E@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20051230203148.482723BF3E@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "Jason W Alder" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: best busking cities Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:17:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Hmm, interesting. Maybe there's really something going on in Idaho.. I have some friends actually making a decent living in Boise playing chamber music... surprised the hell out of me. Dublin has a ton of buskers, particularly around the Grafton Street area. Can't walk more than a few meters without running into someone(s) else playing music. Everything from just fiddlers or guitarists to full bands with drum sets, to huge hammered dulcimers... not something I'd particularly like to haul around the street with me, but to each their own. >>>>>>> From: "Kris Hartung" [Trust] [Block] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: 30 Dec 2005, 01:57:35 PM Subject: Re: best busking cities Boise, Idaho, from the Spring through Fall (April through October), has a program sponsored by the Boise Arts Commission. They pay musicians to play on the street on Saturday late morning, during our recurring Farmer's Market. There is usually a musician on each street corner of a block (three performers total, a week)...they usually pay them $100 for each performance. That's one nice thing Boise has done to support local musicians. I've seen everything from violon and guitar duos to sitarists and hand percussionists. They don't guarantee power, but sometimes folks are able to find an outlet nearby or get permission from one of the businesses to use their outlet. I believe they accept out of state applicants as well, but I'm not certain. More info here: http://www.cityofboise.org/arts_commission/Events/arts_at_market/?MID=021Y Kris ___________________________ Jazz.Funk.Soul.Detroit. www.ExchangeBureauMusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 21:54:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B1893BF30; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <237.47eb93a.30e706aa@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:54:50 EST Subject: Re: best busking cities To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_237.47eb93a.30e706aa_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:54:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_237.47eb93a.30e706aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/30/05 4:17:15 PM, alderjas@msu.edu writes: > Can't walk more than a few meters without running into someone(s) else > playing music. > that would be great!.....here in pittsburgh it's always "open season" on buskers, they are shot on site!.....but here's some news.....there is an area here called GARFIELD that has had a nice increase in "art" gallerie/venues.....on the first friday of each month there is an "art crawl", it grows monthly.....anyway, there is a chance that i will have use of a venue on the first friday of FEBUARY.....i know i'll be there.....anyone out there that would like to hang in the BURG for a weekend please get in touch, lots-o-floor and sleeping places and we can always throw water in the soup.....when i get the green lite (100%) that i can do this, i'll set the skinny free.....:)m --part1_237.47eb93a.30e706aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 12/30/05 4:17:15 PM, alderjas@msu.edu writes:


    Can't walk more than=20= a few meters without running into someone(s) else
    playing music.


    that would be great!.....here in pittsburgh it's always "open season" on bus= kers, they are shot on site!.....but here's some news.....there is an area h= ere called GARFIELD that has had a nice increase in "art" gallerie/venues...= ..on the first friday of each month there is an "art crawl", it grows monthl= y.....anyway, there is a chance that i will have use of a venue on the first= friday of FEBUARY.....i know i'll be there.....anyone out there that would=20= like to hang in the BURG for a weekend please get in touch, lots-o-floor and= sleeping places and we can always throw water in the soup.....when i get th= e green lite (100%) that i can do this, i'll set the skinny free.....:)m<= /FONT> --part1_237.47eb93a.30e706aa_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 22:15:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A49C3BEC2; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230141630.0ae813c0@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:17:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Mike Battle Interview Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-CK3p.A.LAF.jFbtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers, I just put up an interview on the LD site with Mike Battle, inventor of the original Echoplex tape delay. If you recall, many of the questions came from folks on this list. It took a while for this interview to come together since Mike was ill for some time. I'm glad we've got it, as there really isn't too much info out there about Mike or his inventions. For the creations he gave us, I think Mike deserves a lot more respect and admiration than he has received. This is part of my small effort to give something back. Enjoy: http://www.loopers-delight.com/musings/Mike_Battle/Mike_Battle.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 22:25:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BBF23BF29; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B5B3C8.40406@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:25:12 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop based loopers/effects for live References: <9E8E9907-B738-4457-9C7A-8619BF88ECB8@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <9E8E9907-B738-4457-9C7A-8619BF88ECB8@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > I don't mind doing that. After all, the aim of improvised music is to > take risks and eventually win big. So if you you set the controls for > the the highest level and happen fall flat to the ground you can always > start over again by telling the audience that they just were lucky to > witness something very rare and unique ;-) I'd second to take the risk, though usually its my goal to stay in the mood of making music. Whenever something bad happended on stage, my audience did not realize it something bad so far. I use computers since almost 20 years on stage. I had maybe 3 or 4 fails. Only one of them was obvious for the audience, after a complete power fail which my colleage caused by switching on a huge wind generator blowing into the audience (what a wonderful idea I thought). I could boot up my computer pretty fast, but it took way too long to reload all the samples I was using in my old FZ-1 sampler. All the other crashes where well hidden within improvised music. Its well worth to take the risc... And its fun too, even if something fails. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 22:25:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEF453BF35; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B5B3D9.4090809@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:25:29 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop for live music References: <20051229203621.MCRI3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:25:29 +0000 (UTC) mech wrote: > At 12:37 PM -0800 12/29/05, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >> So is IBM ThinkPad the best way to go? >> Any other contenders? I speak of course of the Windoze platform. > > > Sony Vaio has some big names pushing it (Kraftwerk supposedly did their > entire last tour using nothing but Vaio's). The only personal > experience I can say is from my old Vaio circa. 2001. It did just fine > for its time, but a lot can change over half a decade. I can only say, I never had problems with my Powerbook, and I did hear enough about bad Sony Vaio's to check if Kraftwerk has a deal with Sony and then it would mean less than nothing if they use it. (I do like their design a lot though, but heard horror stories about reliability and bad service.) Personaly I stick with Apple probably. Very transportable and not that pricey for a major brand. Together with a Quatafire 610 and a faderbox it easily fits into the hand luggage and has the power of several EDPs, Jammans or what ever. I never had problems with hum or alike. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 23:16:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEB0F3BED2; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: DL4 exp pedal alternatives Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:16:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <000b01c60d59$ad893a60$0601a8c0@succubus> Thread-Index: AcYM2wIls3rLn+l9S8qz4pQn2OQygAABgLwAAB4S+6AAD2OZgA== Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1EsTUK0F7Y-0003bA@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Actually, not crackling audio, more like mechanical plastic cracking noise...basically, it sounds like the pedal will break apart any second...not that I stomp on it, it is just very cheaply made. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com > Just to understand this right: you're using an expression > pedal (meaning the pedal you connect to the corresponding > jack on the DL4), not a volume pedal (e.g. in the outs), and > this results in cracking? Looks like DL4 didn't really go out > of their ways to implement a simple filtering on the exp > pedal signal to avoid this kind of behaviour... > > - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 23:27:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 049063BECD; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:19:47 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:27:28 +0000 (UTC) >>>I like your diagrams, Steve. So, what happens when you make loop three the master sync loop? When do the loops 1 and 2 start over again relative to this loop? In other words, when loop 3 ends, do loops 1 and 2 start over, or keep on going? If the latter, then how are they synced to loop 3? Maybe you are saying that they can't be. Or when your loop 1 and loop 2 are different lenghts, and you make the longer one the master? Can you diagram that and show what happens to the excess Xs or Os? Does the shorter loop repeat and go only part of the way to fill in the space of the longer loop?<<< nothing at all happens to loops one and 2 when 3 becomes the master to sync to - nothing happens to loops already recorded by changing anything on any other loops. The point of changing loop 3 to be the sync master is so that the loops that come afterwards can be layered on top. of course, I guess I ought to mention that you can also layer on top of each layer if you want, but there's no undo function for that, so it makes more sense to do them on separate loops so you have more choices for feedback levels, volume levels routing to the aux outputs etc. But just in case it's still unclear, loop 3 will not change loop 1 or 2, there's no way of retriggering the start of either of those loops by doing anything to other loops. i think it'll be fun if Bob put in the rounded multiply to indivdual loops. Not sure how it would implement across separate loop tracks, but with it the way it is, you can do everything that rounded multiply does (shit, I'm losing track of which is rounded and which is unrounded - I've been typing about looping for too long today, and not playing enough...) except force a rhythm out of a glitchy loop - at the moment you can't resample sections of one loop. That would be a great addition. cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 30 23:43:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2711A3BECD; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230154249.0b36aba8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:45:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Urk programming the MIDI MATE is giving me a headache In-Reply-To: <20051230075156.32171.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <00ea01c60ce9$357aee80$2101a8c0@alhambra> <20051230075156.32171.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:43:30 +0000 (UTC) At 11:51 PM 12/29/2005, Rickmond C. Wong wrote: >so i recently got a rocktron midi mate in an attempt >to replace my 2 EDP foot controllers you should get something else. That pedal doesn't work for controlling the EDP. It doesn't support any sort of momentary action. It only does toggle, and even limits that to only 5 buttons. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 00:04:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DA153BEDB; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230155647.0ba75150@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:06:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Zoom G2 & mail in digest format? In-Reply-To: <43B50216.27496.EEB56@localhost> References: <43B50216.27496.EEB56@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3R2xsB.A.om.5rctDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:04:09 +0000 (UTC) At 01:47 AM 12/30/2005, nick@12testing.net wrote: >What determines the number of digests that are sent out? On other >lists digest means "daily digest" but here I get 2 a day, 3 >sometimes. Is there an option I can select to receive one per day? List traffic determines it. Once the digest reaches a certain size, it gets sent. If there are a lot of posts that day, there may be several digests sent. >Here's another plug for the Zoom G2 - I sent Kim a review of it >several months ago but it's not appeared on the "tools of the trade" >page yet, so here it is. sorry, I'm kinda behind on site updates. >Zoom G2 >The latest in a series of guitar pedals, this one finally seems to >have all a looper could reasonably require. given recent discussions, this statement seems unlikely. >Firstly, you get 5 >seconds worth of ping pong, tape echo or delay, each of which can be >frozen using a non-latching footswitch. for example, 5 seconds is much less than most loopers require. >The delay can be set in >seconds, or by using a tap time button. can you tap the start and end times of the loop directly? or is it only tap-tempo? >You can also set feedback and >mix in real time by going into edit mode whilst playing. good that they covered that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 00:12:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C8053BEDF; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01f101c60d9e$eb3bb370$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:12:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 425, in=187439, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Getting a little loopy are you, Steve? Thanks for the clarification. Yes, indeed, if Bob added unrounded multiply as a feature of a single loop, and also the feature where you can overdub over that loop, but extened the length, that would be ideal. Then those other 7 loops would be a BIG bonus. That boggles my mind, actually, because add a few more basic features like reverse, half speed, and substitute to a single loop, and we're approaching the idea of 8, no 16 EDP-like virtual units in one stereo unit...which is basically Mobius in a box. Now, if Mobius ran on the Muse Receptor, which is $1400 or so, LP1 could still be a better deal...but of course, Receptor also runs all sorts of other VST effects as well. Kris > nothing at all happens to loops one and 2 when 3 becomes the master > to sync to - nothing happens to loops already recorded by changing > anything on any other loops. The point of changing loop 3 to be the > sync master is so that the loops that come afterwards can be layered > on top. > > of course, I guess I ought to mention that you can also layer on top > of each layer if you want, but there's no undo function for that, so > it makes more sense to do them on separate loops so you have more > choices for feedback levels, volume levels routing to the aux outputs > etc. > > But just in case it's still unclear, loop 3 will not change loop 1 or > 2, there's no way of retriggering the start of either of those loops > by doing anything to other loops. > > i think it'll be fun if Bob put in the rounded multiply to indivdual > loops. Not sure how it would implement across separate loop tracks, > but with it the way it is, you can do everything that rounded > multiply does (shit, I'm losing track of which is rounded and which > is unrounded - I've been typing about looping for too long today, and > not playing enough...) except force a rhythm out of a glitchy loop - > at the moment you can't resample sections of one loop. That would be > a great addition. > > cheers! > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 00:13:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 348263BEDE; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230161154.0a73b9e0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:15:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Fwd: I'm back :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Wasn't somebody asking about Stuart Wyatt recently? I just received this mail from him. He asked me to let you all know that he is back online! kim >From: "Stuart Wyatt" >Subject: I'm back :) >Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:44:14 -0000 > >Hi Kim, > >This is just a short email to let you know that I am now back online. I >was absent from the list for a number of reasons, namely my life in Paris >collapsing, and more recently, an ongoing nasty illness. > >During that time, I lost my old domain solostring.com to a spamming search >engine, but am fighting back with my new domain http://swyatt.com > >I have uploaded my entire mp3 archive which is free for anyone to download. > >At the moment, I am on a very slow dialup, so I cannot rejoin the list >until I can get broadband installed at home. Would it be possible for you >to write a quick note to the list to let people know that I am back? I'm >going to be looping again using Ambiloop (what looks to be the best >software looping platform I've seen so far), and will extend the >Solostring project to include Mandola, Virtual synths and any other >instrument I can get my hands on. > >Congratulations on keeping LD alive, and for keeping it the ultimate >looping resource... > >Take care, and hope to see you onlist very very soon. > >Stuart Wyatt ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 00:18:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2794C3BEDF; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=L6lNM9Nl6pTJYRXnHLLLsJ8OM79NwPaj4UhFpd6ieeamxhRuYXaPyaaQs2GgAPwmIrGqNjWyrna3BeTsnPH8daKIeo9wr4K6ZU/mhPw6DdXW+9ER6hqedp6EKwsG8qTAcAVKitqtP3Si4xJD0ZuV3L+fwcXLd93YXujAcNnmcsk= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:18:03 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I'm back :) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230161154.0a73b9e0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230161154.0a73b9e0@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:18:29 +0000 (UTC) That was me wondering where he was. Thanks for forwarding it. TravisH On 12/30/05, Kim Flint wrote: > Wasn't somebody asking about Stuart Wyatt recently? I just received this > mail from him. He asked me to let you all know that he is back online! > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 00:28:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52B523BED9; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:27:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Declude-Sender: erwill@suitandtieguy.com [63.169.35.66] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd10d0e4f02929155.smd X-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 3.0.5.12 for spam. X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 18:30:14 on 30 Dec 2005 X-Declude-Tests: None X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES->destination Organization: NTS Services Corp. Resent-Message-ID: <3KzjAB.A.zOB.3CdtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:28:40 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Louis Rossi wrote: > Not sure how accurate this is? > http://guitargeek.com/rigview/396/ that signal flow was never accurate even at the time of press. as far as what he's done now i would assume that he's using the H8000s as direct replacements for the pair of 2290 pairs. one would be enough but i'm sure he has some sort of human interface reason for doing it the way he's got it set up. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 00:41:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D7973BEDB; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7e1678e6ca1820c3c4e03201fb2e5017@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:41:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Declude-Sender: erwill@suitandtieguy.com [63.169.35.66] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd41060b900445432.smd X-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 3.0.5.12 for spam. 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Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:41:39 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred > to > as "the dark age"? because those people who refer to it as such never listen(ed) to David Sylvian Huey Lewis & the News the Pet Shop Boys Thomas Dolby anything on 4AD house music Tangerine Dream after '80 and before '85 breakdance electro etc ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 01:18:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A08923BECA; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051228125611.0b226ef0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:14:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The Dark Age In-Reply-To: <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <52353.24.23.212.71.1135721403.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6CeD.A.jIE.KxdtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:18:02 +0000 (UTC) At 02:28 PM 12/27/2005, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to >as "the dark age"? Funny, I read this different from most of you. I immediately thought "dark age" in terms of aesthetic and emotional content, rather than a "period of history where progress stopped". When I read other's responses, it really left me thinking about this. To me, 80's music had a darkness to it that wasn't really there in music of the several decades prior. In much 80's music there was rage, melancholy, aggression, coldness, depression, rebellion, hopelessness, cynicism, disillusionment, fear, nihilism. New wave, punk, techno, rap, death metal, early goth/industrial, etc. Obviously I'm not talking about pop music, but even superficial 80's synth pop had something dark running underneath. To me this era was really, really different musically from much of the 50s/60s/70s. Where I live, this "dark 80's" theme is really popular in dance clubs lately - it seems to be a theme many are connecting to again. Maybe that is illustrative. It goes back to that context thing we discussed previously. The music of the 80's reflected the times, as well as the life experiences of the youth who were mostly creating and listening to it. If you can't put yourself into that context you won't get it. Growing up in the 70's and 80's didn't look like the "leave it to beaver" reruns we watched on TV. For us "genXers" our formative years were filled with recessions, oil crisis, 3 mile island, nuclear annihilation threats, hostages, post vietnam/watergate cynicism, cold war, AIDS, crack, "evil empires", iran/contra, shallow yuppie greed, moral majority, S&L collapse, etc. The times were pessimistic and cynical and harsh, and so was the music. We didn't put flowers in our hair; we had Slayer. Also, our generation's culture was (still is) perpetually overshadowed by the huge demographic glut of baby-boomer culture. That plays into it somehow as well. (this was the American version/perspective anyway, in other parts of the world I think it worked out differently.) I think the growing-up experiences of the baby-boomer generation were really, really different from this. The 50's and 60's were times of economic boom and prosperity in America, as well as a time of optimism and a belief in changing the "system" for the better. Times and attitudes were more positive and happy and idealistic. On the other hand, the good economy and "times of plenty" of their formative years I think also led to a bit of self-indulgent behavior among many in that generation, a world-view of "we want it, give it to us". A sort of spoiled child effect. (the "Me Generation" label always struck me as fitting.) All of this I find reflected in the music and culture of those times. And here is where the clash comes, which I find really interesting. I think there is much more to it than "kids rebel" / "parents don't get it". I think these two generations of people, on the level of values and aesthetic choices, really don't understand each other at all. I think most baby-boomers, when confronted in the 80's with stuff like Slayer or the Cure or Depeche Mode or Public Enemy or Juan Atkins' techno or whichever, just couldn't relate to it on an emotional/aesthetic level. I think this resulted in a lot of knee-jerk reactions; that we slackers only produced crap and couldn't live up to the supposedly glorious era of Woodstock and the summer of love. (it still results in that reaction, as evidenced by this thread on this list.) I know from my perspective, I've never been able to relate to most of the baby-boomer era's music and culture. Or what I do connect to is not the same elements the baby-boomers themselves wish to nostalgize endlessly in VH1 documentaries. I can listen and appreciate easily enough, in a historical/academic way, but the music mostly doesn't connect with me emotionally. I know I'm not alone among genXers in this. Curiously, I've always found it much easier to relate to and understand my grandmother's generation, whether it was sitting down and talking to them or listening to their music. They clearly didn't understand the baby-boomers either (and vice-versa), and I think it is because their own cultural values were formed under such dramatically different conditions (economic depressions, world wars), and perhaps a bit more similar to ours. Somehow, this difference of context has a big impact on culture and music specifically, and I think we really need to consider it carefully when trying to judge something from one era or another. Several times now I've had a really amusing conversation, discussing the most influential music of the last xx years with groups of musically/culturally knowledgeable people. Of course people tend to overweight their own era, but it is really interesting to see what different groups of people consider important about one specific period. For me, being from the later genX generation, two names that immediately jump to the top of the influential music list from the late-60's/early-70's boomer era are Black Sabbath and Kraftwerk. Both of these held huge influence over the music of the 80's, when I was growing up. The eventual sounds of Rap, Metal, Techno, Synth Pop, New Wave, and Industrial drew considerably from the aesthetic and sound of these two groups. To me that seems obvious, being an 80s kid. Certainly pop-music historians have been citing Kraftwerk as one of the most influential groups of the last century for some time now, as they were such a big influence on early Rap, Techno, Industrial, and New Wave. But invariably, the baby-boomer members of these discussions have never heard of Kraftwerk! I always find this really surprising. How can you produce one of the most influential groups ever and not know who they were? Name recognition of Black Sabbath is usually better, but they are mostly not on the boomer's list either. To me this is amusing, but also illustrative of this divide in cultural aesthetic. Black Sabbath and Kraftwerk were both reflecting a cold darkness in their music that the next generation was really going to respond to during their "dark age", but most of their own generation didn't understand. We noticed their music and ran with it. Meanwhile, from my perspective it was really hard to look back at that era and understand what the big deal was about Jimi Hendrix or Bob Dylan or many other such artists. It was only when I tried to understand the context of their time that I understood it at all. But I still don't relate to it. I also find it really interesting how we pick out musical examples from other eras based on our own era's cultural aesthetic. How when I consider the 60s/70s era of music, I immediately think of rather unusual groups for their times, like Kraftwerk or Black Sabbath, because those are the bits I understand. Or how boomers look at the 80's and mostly see examples of rock music that was really a vestigal remnant of their own era, like Journey or Def Leppard, and don't know anything about rap or techno or industrial or new wave or metal or even punk. we miss all the interesting stuff. Maybe that's a point I'm arriving at here. You need the context to both understand and find what is good. We obviously miss a lot. It leaves me wondering about what we may be missing about the present. If the life experiences of someone born circa-1950 can be so different from those of someone born circa-1970 as to result in such different music, what about those born circa-1990? The context of their formative years produces... what? Are we missing it? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 01:25:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 981C83BEB9; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:25:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.157.69.101] X-Originating-Email: [graham.maureen@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: graham.maureen@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Jamman Digitech Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:25:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2005 01:25:47.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[209C8300:01C60DA9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:25:49 +0000 (UTC) >From: >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Jamman Digitech >Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:34:25 +0000 > >Hi there >I never post here but enjoy reading... >my set up is a fernandes native pro-a pod xt live- a korg sdd2000 a >digitech ips 33b (pitch shifter/whammy)- line 6 dl4 to digitech jamman - >vox ac30 cc2 > >I love the line6 dl4 as it offers octave+/- pitch shifting and looping- but >you know what i have often felt that many a good loop was lost forever...I >don't see anything wrong with the digitech for my needs!!!! >I capture a loop live while playing in the line6 I transfer over the >first/or overdubbed loop to the jamman's memory (I can determine whether to >keep or save on computer let alone onbaord memory) and then I can loop the >jamman and play over the top. Is my set up perfect no...would the edp or >repeater mk2 be better, possible- but I see a real need for this pedal and >if you guys continue to slag it off a) it makes my set up cooler b) it >makes digitech offer an even better mk 2 jamman. > >You are right themaufacturer didn't consult the looping community enough, >but the loop landscape looks more populated, and more affordable than ever >before- maybe this is a new "start point" (pun intended) enjoy what you >have, and don't be miserable about what you (or digitech or roland ) >haven't (done) > >my 2 cents > >graham stuart >graham.maureen@sympatico.ca > > >>From: "Tony K" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: RE: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech >>Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:28:11 -0500 >> >>I have one and I like it, but I have it on my desk and not on the floor. >>I >>use my hands to control it. I have enough delays with feedback control, I >>like it because it is a loop tool and not a delay. >> >>Tony >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:47 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Loop Station RC 20 XL - Jamman Digitech >> >>On 12/28/05, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> > I was sent a Digi Jamman to write a review of it. After playing with >> > it for an hour I had to tell the rep I'm sending it back and skipping >> > over the job, "to help sales" ;-) From time to time I have been >> > playing with the original Jamman, from Lexicon, and this new "Jamman" >> > is completely different. Not at all suitable for dynamic live looping >> > I would say, but maybe of interest for someone who intend to learn to >> > play certain musical parts over a static background? >> >>I had an RC20XL and sold it on for similar reasons. >> >>With no feedback control and no way of saving the loop you've built >>without bending down and pressing little buttons (two issues it shares >>with the Digitech JamMan) it wasn't useful to me. >> >>The person who bought it off me loves it, however, so these things >>suit some people. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 01:25:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DACC3BEE4; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026601c60da9$215c0270$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230141630.0ae813c0@annihilist.com> Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:25:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0263_01C60D6E.745810D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 425, in=187458, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:25:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0263_01C60D6E.745810D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting interview. He seems like quite a character. Where can I read = up on the new Tubelex? This reminded me of a band I played in, around = 1986. The keyboard player was older, and very old school. He forbid us = to use digital effects in the main board, so he had us hooked up to this = tape echo machine, but it didn't look like the Echoplex tape machine. It = looked sort of like a miniature real-to-real recorder. I think it was = the Roland RE-201, much newer of course. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: Mike Battle Interview > Hi Loopers, >=20 > I just put up an interview on the LD site with Mike Battle, inventor = of the=20 > original Echoplex tape delay. If you recall, many of the questions = came=20 > from folks on this list. It took a while for this interview to come=20 > together since Mike was ill for some time. I'm glad we've got it, as = there=20 > really isn't too much info out there about Mike or his inventions. >=20 > For the creations he gave us, I think Mike deserves a lot more respect = and=20 > admiration than he has received. This is part of my small effort to = give=20 > something back. >=20 > Enjoy: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/musings/Mike_Battle/Mike_Battle.html >=20 > kim >=20 >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0263_01C60D6E.745810D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Interesting interview. He seems like = quite a=20 character. Where can I read up on the new Tubelex? This reminded me of a = band I=20 played in, around 1986. The keyboard player was older, and very old = school. He=20 forbid us to use digital effects in the main board, so he had us hooked = up to=20 this tape echo machine, but it didn't look like the Echoplex tape = machine. It=20 looked sort of like a miniature real-to-real recorder. I think it was = the Roland=20 RE-201, much newer of course.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Kim Flint" <kflint@loopers-delight.com>
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:17=20 PM
    Subject: Mike Battle = Interview

    > Hi Loopers,
    >
    > I just put up an interview on = the LD=20 site with Mike Battle, inventor of the
    > original Echoplex tape = delay. If=20 you recall, many of the questions came
    > from folks on this list. = It took=20 a while for this interview to come
    > together since Mike was ill = for some=20 time. I'm glad we've got it, as there
    > really isn't too much = info out=20 there about Mike or his inventions.
    >
    > For the creations = he gave=20 us, I think Mike deserves a lot more respect and
    > admiration = than he has=20 received. This is part of my small effort to give
    > something=20 back.
    >
    > Enjoy:
    >     http://www.loopers-delight.com/musings/Mike_Battle/Mike_Battle.h= tml
    >
    > kim
    >
    >
    > =
    >=20 ______________________________________________________________________>=20 Kim=20 Flint           &n= bsp;        =20 | Looper's Delight
    >     kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com=20
    >
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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 looper References: <20051229111106.LKHL16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@BERTY> <588ce11d0512290726p163700b2l4566790164fb13aa@mail.gmail.com> <10EFC61C-EEF8-4BF3-8E7F-44DA3221C0D1@the0verclock.com> <9B14316E-F0C4-49EE-B6D8-20FBA1E72EA0@spector5crfm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9B14316E-F0C4-49EE-B6D8-20FBA1E72EA0@spector5crfm.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:13:18 +0000 (UTC)

    Christopher Goss wrote:
    Hi

    There's a good loop machine tutorial video on the native instruments  website, it's worth a look as it gives you a rough idea what it can do.

    https://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?id=guitarrig2_us

    Chris.


    The cat doing the demo at the end of the loop machine tutorial has more rhythm in his little finger than I have in my ____ (fill in)!!  The floor-button "Rig Control 2" looks like a great size, profile (for him, it should be nailed down, though??).

    David (Will they come out with a "Keyboard Rig 2?")


    On 30 Dec 2005, at 00:17, Brian Cass wrote:

    ... I am now learning the guitar rig  stuff for work (native-instruments) and will be demoing it  (including the looper) at NAMM. I have not spent much time with it  but so far it seems cool. there is no feedback control or  multitrack mixing ability, but you can have multiple loopers, as is  the nature of GR. I will report back when i have more to offer.

    - b


     

    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 02:16:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47C453BED2; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7917AD3A-9ECD-4965-AC0B-1E4E9425BAA1@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: New Fripp Rig & how his rig functions Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:16:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:16:52 +0000 (UTC) for whatever it is worth, an old friend of mine was fripps tech on the last tour. if there are folks on here who want to ask a FEW specific questions, i'd be willing to ask my friend if (assuming RF doesn't mind) if he'd be willing to answer. email me off list. i'll be willing to submit a half dozen (or less ) questions. i'll post the selected questions with answers to either the list at large or the individuals who asked. whatever is preferred. peace, monk monk@fuse.net On Dec 30, 2005, at 7:27 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Louis Rossi wrote: > >> Not sure how accurate this is? >> http://guitargeek.com/rigview/396/ >> > > that signal flow was never accurate even at the time of press. > > as far as what he's done now i would assume that he's using the > H8000s as direct replacements for the pair of 2290 pairs. one would > be enough but i'm sure he has some sort of human interface reason > for doing it the way he's got it set up. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 02:19:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 088FF3BED5; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230141630.0ae813c0@annihilist.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230141630.0ae813c0@annihilist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:19:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:19:24 +0000 (UTC) thanks for the cool interview kim. i've been in that basement where all the 'plex stuff is and have seen one of the really early echoplexs ( i owned one of the very first pre-maestro ones myself) and some of the new tube-plex stuff as well as the new prototypes. it's very fun and unpretentious all around. On Dec 30, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > Hi Loopers, > > I just put up an interview on the LD site with Mike Battle, > inventor of the original Echoplex tape delay. If you recall, many > of the questions came from folks on this list. It took a while for > this interview to come together since Mike was ill for some time. > I'm glad we've got it, as there really isn't too much info out > there about Mike or his inventions. > > For the creations he gave us, I think Mike deserves a lot more > respect and admiration than he has received. This is part of my > small effort to give something back. > > Enjoy: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/musings/Mike_Battle/Mike_Battle.html > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 02:40:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFFB53BECD; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Guitar Rig 2 looper Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:39:48 +0100 Message-ID: <01c801c60db3$7ac53750$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <43B5EA09.7020609@Hevanet.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:40:06 +0000 (UTC) BTW: the guy doing the video has been mentioned by Matthias before: http://www.ricoloop.de There are mp3s and videos. Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com]=20 Sent: Samstag, 31. Dezember 2005 03:17 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 2 looper Christopher Goss wrote:=20 Hi=20 There's a good loop machine tutorial video on the native instruments=A0 website, it's worth a look as it gives you a rough idea what it can do.=20 https://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?id=3Dguitarrig2_us=20 Chris.=20 The cat doing the demo at the end of the loop machine tutorial has more rhythm in his little finger than I have in my ____ (fill in)!!=A0 The floor-button "Rig Control 2" looks like a great size, profile (for him, = it should be nailed down, though??). David (Will they come out with a "Keyboard Rig 2?") On 30 Dec 2005, at 00:17, Brian Cass wrote:=20 ... I am now learning the guitar rig=A0 stuff for work = (native-instruments) and will be demoing it=A0 (including the looper) at NAMM. I have not = spent much time with it=A0 but so far it seems cool. there is no feedback = control or=A0 multitrack mixing ability, but you can have multiple loopers, as = is=A0 the nature of GR. I will report back when i have more to offer.=20 - b=20 =A0=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 03:21:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5706D3BEB9; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014901c60c85$5b1dc860$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <20051228231717.8BF273BF05@arsenic.violacea.com> <014901c60c85$5b1dc860$9715be18@oemcomputer> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:21:17 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: Let us loop the praises of Sunao Inami! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, Thank you for your great comments, Douglas.. I thought the problem is my poor English, I am afraid of communication(Crossing, a misapprehension etc). but all schedule and planning are done very smooth and on time,I am very happy... and I enjoyed sound mastering and cover design. The only difficulty was shipp 16 parcels to all over sea contributors. I shipped over 600 CDs total.. anyway, thank you again Looper's Delight and LD CD Vol.3 contributors! p.s. the CD details is below http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3/ happy new year Sunao http://www.cavestudio.com http://electr-ohm.com At 9:36 AM -0500 05.12.29, Douglas Baldwin wrote: >I received my package of CDs from Sunao yesterday. Stunning! On Many Levels! > >1) Beautiful presentation. Images and quality of printing are excellent. >2) Excellent sequencing and mastering of the audio. No jarring leaps in >level or tone. I've only listened in snippets, but I look forward to >slipping it in my CD player and zoning out from beginning to end very soon. >3) A wonderful business/marketing experience. Everything was done on time, >Sunao obviously did not make a penny on our costs, and I now have thirty CDs >to use for promotion of my music, and the music of my fellow loopers. >4) A renewed sense of community. The names that appear on my computer screen >are now linked with music. >5) A kick in my own personal keester. I will now begin to book the looping >gigs I've been threatening to do for lo these many years, partly because I >have a(nother) product (besides my own CD and the performance itself) to >promote. > >Sunao Inami is a powerful person, and I am honored to be in his circle. > >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large (The Coyote Loops!) >coyotelk@optonline.net > >"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic >hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's >also a negative side." >--- Hunter S. Thompson > >"...and then there is Sunao and the looping community, who offer a better >way, and live it." >--- dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 03:26:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FCE73BED6; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230192303.0a9b3c68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:28:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview In-Reply-To: <026601c60da9$215c0270$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230141630.0ae813c0@annihilist.com> <026601c60da9$215c0270$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:26:21 +0000 (UTC) At 05:25 PM 12/30/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: >Interesting interview. He seems like quite a character. Where can I read >up on the new Tubelex? If you follow the link to Mike's website: http://www.tubeplex.com you won't actually find any info. But there is a contact phone number. Try that. As far as I understood, it is a refinement of the original tube-based Echoplex tape delay. Google quickly led to here: http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Battle_Manufacturing/Tubeplex-1.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 03:48:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 131213BEB9; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02c301c60dbd$19011840$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230141630.0ae813c0@annihilist.com> <026601c60da9$215c0270$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230192303.0a9b3c68@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:48:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 425, in=187494, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <_AOQH.A.Tx.f-ftDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Cripes, the thing gets some amazing reviews for its construction, fat and organic sound, etc. A dream world would be a Echoplex like the Digital Plus Pro that got its sound from tubes....just dreaming. Here are some good reviews of the new Tubeplex...one guy did an A/B test with the EP-3. It's really nice that someone is still making gear like this, apparently built like a tank. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview > At 05:25 PM 12/30/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: > >Interesting interview. He seems like quite a character. Where can I read > >up on the new Tubelex? > > If you follow the link to Mike's website: > http://www.tubeplex.com > > you won't actually find any info. But there is a contact phone number. Try > that. > > As far as I understood, it is a refinement of the original tube-based > Echoplex tape delay. > > Google quickly led to here: > http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Battle_Manufacturing/Tubeplex-1.html > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 03:49:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F8703BEDE; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02cd01c60dbd$2f0dc750$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230141630.0ae813c0@annihilist.com> <026601c60da9$215c0270$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230192303.0a9b3c68@loopers-delight.com> <02c301c60dbd$19011840$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:49:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 425, in=187495, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <7TL4n.A.P1.D_ftDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Whoops. Forgot the Tubeplex review URL: http://forums.vintageamps.com/viewtopic.php?t=18543&highlight=&sid=9b492e83bfba3b690ca86b01299eea9a ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview > Cripes, the thing gets some amazing reviews for its construction, fat and > organic sound, etc. A dream world would be a Echoplex like the Digital Plus > Pro that got its sound from tubes....just dreaming. > > Here are some good reviews of the new Tubeplex...one guy did an A/B test > with the EP-3. > > It's really nice that someone is still making gear like this, apparently > built like a tank. > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:28 PM > Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview > > > > At 05:25 PM 12/30/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: > > >Interesting interview. He seems like quite a character. Where can I read > > >up on the new Tubelex? > > > > If you follow the link to Mike's website: > > http://www.tubeplex.com > > > > you won't actually find any info. But there is a contact phone number. Try > > that. > > > > As far as I understood, it is a refinement of the original tube-based > > Echoplex tape delay. > > > > Google quickly led to here: > > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Battle_Manufacturing/Tubeplex-1.html > > > > kim > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 04:04:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F20AB3BEE8; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13834648.1136001862670.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:04:22 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dark Age Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Dang Kim......... This is really well articulated. You have viewed these particular moments in culture with the keen eye of an anthropologist. I don't completely agree with every observation you've made here, but I admire the way you've thought this out. I particularly find the sixties vexing. Being a pre-schooler during that time, my difficulty with the time period is based on foggy memories and observations from popular culture. Yes, I believe alot of brilliant, groundbreaking cultural and musical moments occurred during this time, I do however have a real problem with the whole flower-power/summer of love/hippie utopianism of the time versus the reality of "hippies" harassing returned Vietnam Veterans (who were usually poor whites or minorities). I have a problem with all of the Spock-weened baby boomers and their endless "you weren't there man.....the sixties were a time of revolution" clap-trap, making it seem like it was the only time worth being alive. Perhaps a time of revolutionary self-involvement. I realize relating to the nihlist punk era of the seventies exposes me to a whole other set of criticisms. It seemed a whole lot more realistic from my point of view. Now in my forties, I realize that there is brilliance and utter bull-sh*t in every era of music and pop culture and no single epoch has a singular hold on innovation or genius. It is what you take away from an era that gives it value, perhaps not what actually happened. Other opinions and rebukes? Greetings From Colorado Todd -----Original Message----- >From: Kim Flint >Sent: Dec 30, 2005 6:14 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: The Dark Age > >At 02:28 PM 12/27/2005, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >>Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to >>as "the dark age"? > >Funny, I read this different from most of you. I immediately thought "dark >age" in terms of aesthetic and emotional content, rather than a "period of >history where progress stopped". When I read other's responses, it really >left me thinking about this. To me, 80's music had a darkness to it that >wasn't really there in music of the several decades prior. In much 80's >music there was rage, melancholy, aggression, coldness, depression, >rebellion, hopelessness, cynicism, disillusionment, fear, nihilism. New >wave, punk, techno, rap, death metal, early goth/industrial, etc. Obviously >I'm not talking about pop music, but even superficial 80's synth pop had >something dark running underneath. To me this era was really, really >different musically from much of the 50s/60s/70s. > >Where I live, this "dark 80's" theme is really popular in dance clubs >lately - it seems to be a theme many are connecting to again. Maybe that is >illustrative. > >It goes back to that context thing we discussed previously. The music of >the 80's reflected the times, as well as the life experiences of the youth >who were mostly creating and listening to it. If you can't put yourself >into that context you won't get it. Growing up in the 70's and 80's didn't >look like the "leave it to beaver" reruns we watched on TV. For us >"genXers" our formative years were filled with recessions, oil crisis, 3 >mile island, nuclear annihilation threats, hostages, post vietnam/watergate >cynicism, cold war, AIDS, crack, "evil empires", iran/contra, shallow >yuppie greed, moral majority, S&L collapse, etc. The times were pessimistic >and cynical and harsh, and so was the music. We didn't put flowers in our >hair; we had Slayer. > >Also, our generation's culture was (still is) perpetually overshadowed by >the huge demographic glut of baby-boomer culture. That plays into it >somehow as well. > >(this was the American version/perspective anyway, in other parts of the >world I think it worked out differently.) > >I think the growing-up experiences of the baby-boomer generation were >really, really different from this. The 50's and 60's were times of >economic boom and prosperity in America, as well as a time of optimism and >a belief in changing the "system" for the better. Times and attitudes were >more positive and happy and idealistic. On the other hand, the good economy >and "times of plenty" of their formative years I think also led to a bit of >self-indulgent behavior among many in that generation, a world-view of "we >want it, give it to us". A sort of spoiled child effect. (the "Me >Generation" label always struck me as fitting.) All of this I find >reflected in the music and culture of those times. > >And here is where the clash comes, which I find really interesting. I think >there is much more to it than "kids rebel" / "parents don't get it". I >think these two generations of people, on the level of values and aesthetic >choices, really don't understand each other at all. I think most >baby-boomers, when confronted in the 80's with stuff like Slayer or the >Cure or Depeche Mode or Public Enemy or Juan Atkins' techno or whichever, >just couldn't relate to it on an emotional/aesthetic level. I think this >resulted in a lot of knee-jerk reactions; that we slackers only produced >crap and couldn't live up to the supposedly glorious era of Woodstock and >the summer of love. (it still results in that reaction, as evidenced by >this thread on this list.) > >I know from my perspective, I've never been able to relate to most of the >baby-boomer era's music and culture. Or what I do connect to is not the >same elements the baby-boomers themselves wish to nostalgize endlessly in >VH1 documentaries. I can listen and appreciate easily enough, in a >historical/academic way, but the music mostly doesn't connect with me >emotionally. I know I'm not alone among genXers in this. Curiously, I've >always found it much easier to relate to and understand my grandmother's >generation, whether it was sitting down and talking to them or listening to >their music. They clearly didn't understand the baby-boomers either (and >vice-versa), and I think it is because their own cultural values were >formed under such dramatically different conditions (economic depressions, >world wars), and perhaps a bit more similar to ours. > >Somehow, this difference of context has a big impact on culture and music >specifically, and I think we really need to consider it carefully when >trying to judge something from one era or another. > >Several times now I've had a really amusing conversation, discussing the >most influential music of the last xx years with groups of >musically/culturally knowledgeable people. Of course people tend to >overweight their own era, but it is really interesting to see what >different groups of people consider important about one specific period. >For me, being from the later genX generation, two names that immediately >jump to the top of the influential music list from the late-60's/early-70's >boomer era are Black Sabbath and Kraftwerk. Both of these held huge >influence over the music of the 80's, when I was growing up. The eventual >sounds of Rap, Metal, Techno, Synth Pop, New Wave, and Industrial drew >considerably from the aesthetic and sound of these two groups. To me that >seems obvious, being an 80s kid. Certainly pop-music historians have been >citing Kraftwerk as one of the most influential groups of the last century >for some time now, as they were such a big influence on early Rap, Techno, >Industrial, and New Wave. But invariably, the baby-boomer members of these >discussions have never heard of Kraftwerk! I always find this really >surprising. How can you produce one of the most influential groups ever and >not know who they were? Name recognition of Black Sabbath is usually >better, but they are mostly not on the boomer's list either. > >To me this is amusing, but also illustrative of this divide in cultural >aesthetic. Black Sabbath and Kraftwerk were both reflecting a cold darkness >in their music that the next generation was really going to respond to >during their "dark age", but most of their own generation didn't >understand. We noticed their music and ran with it. Meanwhile, from my >perspective it was really hard to look back at that era and understand what >the big deal was about Jimi Hendrix or Bob Dylan or many other such >artists. It was only when I tried to understand the context of their time >that I understood it at all. But I still don't relate to it. > >I also find it really interesting how we pick out musical examples from >other eras based on our own era's cultural aesthetic. How when I consider >the 60s/70s era of music, I immediately think of rather unusual groups for >their times, like Kraftwerk or Black Sabbath, because those are the bits I >understand. Or how boomers look at the 80's and mostly see examples of rock >music that was really a vestigal remnant of their own era, like Journey or >Def Leppard, and don't know anything about rap or techno or industrial or >new wave or metal or even punk. we miss all the interesting stuff. > >Maybe that's a point I'm arriving at here. You need the context to both >understand and find what is good. We obviously miss a lot. It leaves me >wondering about what we may be missing about the present. If the life >experiences of someone born circa-1950 can be so different from those of >someone born circa-1970 as to result in such different music, what about >those born circa-1990? The context of their formative years produces... >what? Are we missing it? > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 04:20:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BFA73BEE1; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YHzd4yGE8bWBfnH9hoAXmBx9AcwyyLxjbjELa3TNoPz95WTy32O0EEhLnn9lR+o8gIsAD4KYhmqKeq/PAmYW9mO6q1Kld47PXk6cQnNM96X+DOUS1RDWPNDrWwo91o+8KHaAmUOJ6pg4I3ThToBNhl1zeRovjJZeM15O9y6AdEM= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:19:58 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview In-Reply-To: <02c301c60dbd$19011840$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230141630.0ae813c0@annihilist.com> <026601c60da9$215c0270$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230192303.0a9b3c68@loopers-delight.com> <02c301c60dbd$19011840$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <6UXWBD.A.DyB.xbgtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Fulltone also did a beefed-up tube Echoplex starting a few years ago.=20 It gets great reviews, but it runs around a grand, so it's not for the casual tape echo fan: http://www.fulltone.com/stpframe.html TravisH On 12/30/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > Cripes, the thing gets some amazing reviews for its construction, fat and > organic sound, etc. A dream world would be a Echoplex like the Digital Pl= us > Pro that got its sound from tubes....just dreaming. > > Here are some good reviews of the new Tubeplex...one guy did an A/B test > with the EP-3. > > It's really nice that someone is still making gear like this, apparently > built like a tank. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 04:54:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AB893BECA; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02ed01c60dc6$405696a0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <007e01c60b9e$67927e70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Derek Bailey Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:54:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.345000 Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 428, in=203213, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Not sure if this is cool with everyone or not, but I viewed the m3u file of this program and found the direct url to the MP3, which is over 3 hours long and downloadable...plus it's 176MB. http://archive.wfmu.org:5555/archive/JA/ja051226.mp3 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:03 AM Subject: Derek Bailey > A three-hour tribute to the late Derek Bailey from WFMU is posted for > download here: > http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/17495 > > > > -Michael > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 05:04:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 409A83BEC5; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=lWHtwuKuQiDkSJBdI5eoG3sG6usY8raFC2i2mR4v0ZkT51U5hef3hatZY2BrTx4mC5DYEL8xJ+S0J1Mjb8RJzbFLdB9DLwJATh5wV4si7iq/bxlRyecIcdEbTrsEmNZR63Ph7R5b64ciUeccloEh/8BFk/3Vgc8mDcbnXsR7XzE= Message-ID: <9e2a71240512302104g29681876tcfd06c105fb61e80@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:04:43 -0600 From: Michael Pregeant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 2 signals, one amp. Need help. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6354_29559085.1136005483511" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:04:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6354_29559085.1136005483511 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline How, exactly, would one route a korg MS2000b synthisizer signal and a guita= r signal to one amp? Is it a matter of simply getting a signal splitter to literally combine the two signals or is there an easier way? 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    = www.purevolume.com/michaelpregeant=20 ------=_Part_6354_29559085.1136005483511-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 05:23:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 272E83BEDB; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B1z/9FLhNjfk6dypyBcTWddoOg2QloKSUNS9yJ+qqNUWQyPZVr4nKpwD6eKJ7zS8QaGX8v2a9oe34pCAAVyRhV9faI1G3mQyn3zpwvay7rHrcJ5ZjLOAgVFjFdQjpYP/Q2BPc8lmr+76cuD8RgpBNRWbnn3Wf1ormE7/y10Bt9U= Message-ID: <64b81a780512302123s47c18d75t30360cfff522b81f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:23:27 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2 signals, one amp. Need help. In-Reply-To: <9e2a71240512302104g29681876tcfd06c105fb61e80@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e2a71240512302104g29681876tcfd06c105fb61e80@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Get a mixer. That's what they're for. :) On 12/31/05, Michael Pregeant wrote: > How, exactly, would one route a korg MS2000b synthisizer signal and a gui= tar > signal to one amp? Is it a matter of simply getting a signal splitter to > literally combine the two signals or is there an easier way? Thanks. > > -- > My Journal: > www.xanga.com/michaelrpregeant > > A bunch of the same stuff: > www.myspace.com/michaelpregeant > www.audiri.com/michaelpregeant > www.purevolume.com/michaelpregeant From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 05:25:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F20453BEDE; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=egcW9PjyRchB3BnWF3jpV6tB5amHv+RkeJ6pphxVpbNlv96WgjJVCWgAdaP8RUkJO4B8MYLnE2YUzjutriFjuIdmRHicYH7qFNkq4XuiOL+h54snK7i3zOYpRTdugZZFKf6FJksi71OIFP/GXjdF8MuAO54htsHjd7F39p3odCQ= Message-ID: <9e2a71240512302125u2244c68fmf802c47dd5f84fca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:25:18 -0600 From: Michael Pregeant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2 signals, one amp. Need help. In-Reply-To: <64b81a780512302123s47c18d75t30360cfff522b81f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6366_11419092.1136006718927" References: <9e2a71240512302104g29681876tcfd06c105fb61e80@mail.gmail.com> <64b81a780512302123s47c18d75t30360cfff522b81f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:25:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6366_11419092.1136006718927 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, Thanks. Lol.. my knowledge of guitar equipment is fairly limited. On 12/30/05, Todd Pafford wrote: > > Get a mixer. That's what they're for. :) > > > On 12/31/05, Michael Pregeant wrote: > > How, exactly, would one route a korg MS2000b synthisizer signal and a > guitar > > signal to one amp? Is it a matter of simply getting a signal splitter t= o > > literally combine the two signals or is there an easier way? Thanks. > > > > -- > > My Journal: > > www.xanga.com/michaelrpregeant > > > > A bunch of the same stuff: > > www.myspace.com/michaelpregeant > > www.audiri.com/michaelpregeant > > www.purevolume.com/michaelpregeant > > -- My Journal: www.xanga.com/michaelrpregeant A bunch of the same stuff: www.myspace.com/michaelpregeant www.audiri.com/michaelpregeant www.purevolume.com/michaelpregeant ------=_Part_6366_11419092.1136006718927 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, Thanks. Lol.. my knowledge of guitar equipment is fairly limited.
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    > How, exactly, would one route a = korg MS2000b synthisizer signal and a guitar
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    > www.purevolume.com/michaelpregeant




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    www.purevolume.com/michaelpregeant=20 ------=_Part_6366_11419092.1136006718927-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 05:30:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D29C23BEDD; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <13834648.1136001862670.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.ne t> References: <13834648.1136001862670.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.ne t> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:30:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: The Dark Age Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Being a now-forty-something child of Generation X myself, I couldn't agree more with both Todd and Kim. Let me further expound (read: beat into the ground) on a point that Kim made earlier. If you were a youth in America during the 80's, you felt as if you'd paid your cover charge and were handed a death sentence at the door. While I am being metaphorical (not to mention somewhat cryptic) I'm not really exaggerating. Think about it: In the 80's, the Presidency of one of the world's major superpowers was occupied by a psychotic puppet (Reagan), who seemed to be hell-bent on committing suicide by pissing off the head of one of the world's other major superpowers, which was at that time run by another string of blustering lunatics (Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko) that were only too eager to meet him toe-to-toe. On top of that, you've got China (we could never figure out exactly *what* the hell China was up to, but we sure didn't trust whatever it was) as well as all the smaller countries with nuclear arms and a grudge (Pakistan/India, N/S Korea, Israel). In the 80's, myself and everybody my age knew it for a fact that we were never going to see old age. Instead, we all expected that at any given moment, without warning, there could be a brief flash and a fireball that would quickly but painfully vaporize us. If we weren't "lucky" enough to be within 100 miles of an urban area, we could look forward to the inescapable pleasure of radiation sickness from the fallout -- a few painful weeks of lesions and internal hemorrhaging before we expired, liquefied from the inside out like an Ebola victim. We had been well-raised and indoctrinated with MAD. Another generational touchstone here: To the generation before us, those initials are the name of a satirical magazine. Say them aloud to the generation after, and they're likely to associate them with Mothers Against Drunk Driving. To us they will always be Mutually Assured Destruction. In other words, we all die together -- horribly. Bill Burroughs summed it up well: "Look at the prison you are in, we are all in. This is a penal colony that is now a Death Camp." So, is it any surprise that much of the music -- the expressions of art in general -- were so dark during the 80's? I'm still surprised (and, to tell you the truth, in somewhat a state of paranoid disbelief) that I made it past 30. Yes, there were happy times and moments of light during that decade. But underlying it always was a tension, a subconscious tugging that at any moment the gravity would fail, the airlocks would blow, and everything would go up, fly away in a hail of flame and ash. Dark arts for a dark time... --m. At 9:04 PM -0700 12/30/05, Todd Howell wrote: >Dang Kim......... > >This is really well articulated. You have viewed these particular >moments in culture with the keen eye of an anthropologist. I don't >completely agree with every observation you've made here, but I >admire the way you've thought this out. > >I particularly find the sixties vexing. Being a pre-schooler during >that time, my difficulty with the time period is based on foggy >memories and observations from popular culture. Yes, I believe alot >of brilliant, groundbreaking cultural and musical moments occurred >during this time, I do however have a real problem with the whole >flower-power/summer of love/hippie utopianism of the time versus the >reality of "hippies" harassing returned Vietnam Veterans (who were >usually poor whites or minorities). I have a problem with all of the >Spock-weened baby boomers and their endless "you weren't there >man.....the sixties were a time of revolution" clap-trap, making it >seem like it was the only time worth being alive. Perhaps a time of >revolutionary self-involvement. > >I realize relating to the nihlist punk era of the seventies exposes >me to a whole other set of criticisms. It seemed a whole lot more >realistic from my point of view. > >Now in my forties, I realize that there is brilliance and utter >bull-sh*t in every era of music and pop culture and no single epoch >has a singular hold on innovation or genius. It is what you take >away from an era that gives it value, perhaps not what actually >happened. > >Other opinions and rebukes? > >Greetings From Colorado > >Todd > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Kim Flint >>Sent: Dec 30, 2005 6:14 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: The Dark Age >> >>At 02:28 PM 12/27/2005, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >>>Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to >>>as "the dark age"? >> >>Funny, I read this different from most of you. I immediately thought "dark >>age" in terms of aesthetic and emotional content, rather than a "period of >>history where progress stopped". When I read other's responses, it really >>left me thinking about this. To me, 80's music had a darkness to it that >>wasn't really there in music of the several decades prior. In much 80's >>music there was rage, melancholy, aggression, coldness, depression, >>rebellion, hopelessness, cynicism, disillusionment, fear, nihilism. New >>wave, punk, techno, rap, death metal, early goth/industrial, etc. Obviously >>I'm not talking about pop music, but even superficial 80's synth pop had >>something dark running underneath. To me this era was really, really >>different musically from much of the 50s/60s/70s. >> >>Where I live, this "dark 80's" theme is really popular in dance clubs >>lately - it seems to be a theme many are connecting to again. Maybe that is >>illustrative. >> >>It goes back to that context thing we discussed previously. The music of >>the 80's reflected the times, as well as the life experiences of the youth >>who were mostly creating and listening to it. If you can't put yourself >>into that context you won't get it. Growing up in the 70's and 80's didn't >>look like the "leave it to beaver" reruns we watched on TV. For us >>"genXers" our formative years were filled with recessions, oil crisis, 3 >>mile island, nuclear annihilation threats, hostages, post vietnam/watergate >>cynicism, cold war, AIDS, crack, "evil empires", iran/contra, shallow >>yuppie greed, moral majority, S&L collapse, etc. The times were pessimistic > >and cynical and harsh, and so was the music. We didn't put flowers in our >>hair; we had Slayer. >> >>Also, our generation's culture was (still is) perpetually overshadowed by >>the huge demographic glut of baby-boomer culture. That plays into it >>somehow as well. >> >>(this was the American version/perspective anyway, in other parts of the >>world I think it worked out differently.) >> >>I think the growing-up experiences of the baby-boomer generation were >>really, really different from this. The 50's and 60's were times of >>economic boom and prosperity in America, as well as a time of optimism and >>a belief in changing the "system" for the better. Times and attitudes were >>more positive and happy and idealistic. On the other hand, the good economy >>and "times of plenty" of their formative years I think also led to a bit of >>self-indulgent behavior among many in that generation, a world-view of "we >>want it, give it to us". A sort of spoiled child effect. (the "Me >>Generation" label always struck me as fitting.) All of this I find >>reflected in the music and culture of those times. >> >>And here is where the clash comes, which I find really interesting. I think >>there is much more to it than "kids rebel" / "parents don't get it". I >>think these two generations of people, on the level of values and aesthetic >>choices, really don't understand each other at all. I think most >>baby-boomers, when confronted in the 80's with stuff like Slayer or the >>Cure or Depeche Mode or Public Enemy or Juan Atkins' techno or whichever, >>just couldn't relate to it on an emotional/aesthetic level. I think this >>resulted in a lot of knee-jerk reactions; that we slackers only produced >>crap and couldn't live up to the supposedly glorious era of Woodstock and >>the summer of love. (it still results in that reaction, as evidenced by >>this thread on this list.) >> >>I know from my perspective, I've never been able to relate to most of the >>baby-boomer era's music and culture. Or what I do connect to is not the >>same elements the baby-boomers themselves wish to nostalgize endlessly in > >VH1 documentaries. I can listen and appreciate easily enough, in a >>historical/academic way, but the music mostly doesn't connect with me >>emotionally. I know I'm not alone among genXers in this. Curiously, I've >>always found it much easier to relate to and understand my grandmother's >>generation, whether it was sitting down and talking to them or listening to >>their music. They clearly didn't understand the baby-boomers either (and >>vice-versa), and I think it is because their own cultural values were >>formed under such dramatically different conditions (economic depressions, >>world wars), and perhaps a bit more similar to ours. >> >>Somehow, this difference of context has a big impact on culture and music >>specifically, and I think we really need to consider it carefully when >>trying to judge something from one era or another. >> >>Several times now I've had a really amusing conversation, discussing the >>most influential music of the last xx years with groups of >>musically/culturally knowledgeable people. Of course people tend to >>overweight their own era, but it is really interesting to see what >>different groups of people consider important about one specific period. >>For me, being from the later genX generation, two names that immediately >>jump to the top of the influential music list from the late-60's/early-70's >>boomer era are Black Sabbath and Kraftwerk. Both of these held huge >>influence over the music of the 80's, when I was growing up. The eventual >>sounds of Rap, Metal, Techno, Synth Pop, New Wave, and Industrial drew >>considerably from the aesthetic and sound of these two groups. To me that >>seems obvious, being an 80s kid. Certainly pop-music historians have been >>citing Kraftwerk as one of the most influential groups of the last century >>for some time now, as they were such a big influence on early Rap, Techno, >>Industrial, and New Wave. But invariably, the baby-boomer members of these >>discussions have never heard of Kraftwerk! I always find this really > >surprising. How can you produce one of the most influential groups ever and >>not know who they were? Name recognition of Black Sabbath is usually >>better, but they are mostly not on the boomer's list either. >> >>To me this is amusing, but also illustrative of this divide in cultural >>aesthetic. Black Sabbath and Kraftwerk were both reflecting a cold darkness >>in their music that the next generation was really going to respond to >>during their "dark age", but most of their own generation didn't >>understand. We noticed their music and ran with it. Meanwhile, from my >>perspective it was really hard to look back at that era and understand what >>the big deal was about Jimi Hendrix or Bob Dylan or many other such >>artists. It was only when I tried to understand the context of their time >>that I understood it at all. But I still don't relate to it. >> >>I also find it really interesting how we pick out musical examples from >>other eras based on our own era's cultural aesthetic. How when I consider >>the 60s/70s era of music, I immediately think of rather unusual groups for >>their times, like Kraftwerk or Black Sabbath, because those are the bits I >>understand. Or how boomers look at the 80's and mostly see examples of rock >>music that was really a vestigal remnant of their own era, like Journey or >>Def Leppard, and don't know anything about rap or techno or industrial or >>new wave or metal or even punk. we miss all the interesting stuff. >> >>Maybe that's a point I'm arriving at here. You need the context to both >>understand and find what is good. We obviously miss a lot. It leaves me >>wondering about what we may be missing about the present. If the life >>experiences of someone born circa-1950 can be so different from those of >>someone born circa-1970 as to result in such different music, what about >>those born circa-1990? The context of their formative years produces... >>what? Are we missing it? >> >>kim >> >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 05:43:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A31A3BEDB; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:43:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QopBfnT14Ge9cuAf8rA1TQQKspXwtdahYZy/+3oWXrGhddykRg4m2jmhWfvFwyhU6ngnQKWqa0NpkDGdOJJWbskDkip+VqhKDfNTnx0uRrw2SGWW8uzzFfaX70Rv+fQuIenhqN5Bd5bYiPxo8Yr10vRxv63wdSCyad/7ZrOf4C8= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:43:27 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dark Age In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:43:31 +0000 (UTC) Ditto. Although as I read the news, I still believe that we're going to die "in the dark"--no electricity, plague, famine, etc. TravisH On 12/30/05, mech wrote: > > In the 80's, myself and everybody my age knew it for a fact that we > were never going to see old age. Instead, we all expected that at > any given moment, without warning, there could be a brief flash and a > fireball that would quickly but painfully vaporize us. If we weren't > "lucky" enough to be within 100 miles of an urban area, we could look > forward to the inescapable pleasure of radiation sickness from the > fallout -- a few painful weeks of lesions and internal hemorrhaging > before we expired, liquefied from the inside out like an Ebola victim. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 06:22:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 886703BED2; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:23:00 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230141630.0ae813c0@annihilist.com> <026601c60da9$215c0270$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230192303.0a9b3c68@loopers-delight.com> <02c301c60dbd$19011840$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3UQUB.A.CqE.1OitDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:22:45 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Fulltone also did a beefed-up tube Echoplex starting a few years ago. > It gets great reviews, but it runs around a grand, so it's not for the > casual tape echo fan: > > http://www.fulltone.com/stpframe.html > > TravisH And from looking around on the web, the Battle Tubeplex looks like it's closely priced, perhaps a little cheaper. I have tried out the Fulltone TTE personally for a couple of sessions, perhaps an hour and a half, and my gosh I think it sounds great. I'll probably end up with one by the end of next year. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 06:26:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83C453BECD; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230141630.0ae813c0@annihilist.com> <026601c60da9$215c0270$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230192303.0a9b3c68@loopers-delight.com> <02c301c60dbd$19011840$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <842434DD-80D3-4684-94CF-74CB26A6EED5@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:23:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <19AMNC.A.k9E.XSitDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:26:31 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 31, 2005, at 12:23 AM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> Fulltone also did a beefed-up tube Echoplex starting a few years ago. >> It gets great reviews, but it runs around a grand, so it's not for >> the >> casual tape echo fan: There has been a price increase in the past couple months. They are now over $1100, I think. I sure am glad I got mine at a "bargain" of $899. But, imo, it's well worth it. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 06:27:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74AE93BED2; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: midimate again, cc values Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:27:12 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 7c542282-79c6-11da-a87f-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.45/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:27:17 +0000 (UTC) I'm fed up with the gargantuan size of my FCB1010 and am testing new midi pedals to use with Monsieur RPTR. The Ground Control & All Access are too big in their own ways. How would I reach the 3rd row? And so heavy! The Rocktron MidiMate looked like the right size and the advertised specs looked right. (and so small! so darling! it fits so neatly in my suitcase!! ) I cockily thought...."Well, I've mastered programming of the FCB1010. Mapping my patches over to the MidiMate will be a breeze...." SILLY ME. Does anyone out there use one? I've just wasted a few hours trying to crack this thing. I simply need to send simultaneous messages. For example: PC 5 + CC 11 value 105 I am fine setting the PC messages. How do I assign values to the CC messages??? I'm stumped! From everything I read online, I assumed the pedal would do this. But now I'm suspecting that it does not.... anyone ever use one? thanks much, z From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 06:38:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEC643BECD; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:38:23 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview In-Reply-To: <842434DD-80D3-4684-94CF-74CB26A6EED5@midway.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230141630.0ae813c0@annihilist.com> <026601c60da9$215c0270$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230192303.0a9b3c68@loopers-delight.com> <02c301c60dbd$19011840$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <842434DD-80D3-4684-94CF-74CB26A6EED5@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:38:06 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >>> Fulltone also did a beefed-up tube Echoplex starting a few years ago. >>> It gets great reviews, but it runs around a grand, so it's not for the >>> casual tape echo fan: > > > There has been a price increase in the past couple months. They are now over > $1100, I think. I sure am glad I got mine at a "bargain" of $899. But, imo, > it's well worth it. > > Jeff Current price on the Fulltone TTE is list $1200, with a "current sale price" of $1080. I should have bought one last year at only $899. Que sera oh well... best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 06:41:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB16E3BED9; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ms4fgMvvttAjFP7pAhhsR1yQUUZQRTp4HeuCqgsMsFrJhnMDO2Hrpy2gUZZ7WsP25gmb4PiWgnZmRf4S/JhWv2PHOeputVfizwW7MyBB8GtoI18JCHVUOF9w0/rvOP0QpSfR+qQR/zWf7HJhtW8/hChmlG9zqXtdTs/2ik7nrVA= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:41:33 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midimate again, cc values In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:41:35 +0000 (UTC) As I recall, the MIDI Mate won't do that. It'll send program changes, or you can put it into "controller" mode, where the bottom five buttons send program changes, and the top five buttons can send one CC message. It's really intended to control rack-style guitar set-ups, with the CC buttons turning individual effects (chorus, delay, etc.) on or off within a given preset. TravisH On 12/30/05, Zoe Keating wrote: > I'm fed up with the gargantuan size of my FCB1010 and am testing new > midi pedals to use with Monsieur RPTR. > The Ground Control & All Access are too big in their own ways. How > would I reach the 3rd row? And so heavy! The Rocktron MidiMate looked > like the right size and the advertised specs looked right. (and so > small! so darling! it fits so neatly in my suitcase!! ) > > I cockily thought...."Well, I've mastered programming of the FCB1010. > Mapping my patches over to the MidiMate will be a breeze...." > > SILLY ME. > > Does anyone out there use one? I've just wasted a few hours trying to > crack this thing. > > I simply need to send simultaneous messages. For example: > > PC 5 + CC 11 value 105 > > I am fine setting the PC messages. How do I assign values to the CC > messages??? I'm stumped! > > From everything I read online, I assumed the pedal would do this. > But now I'm suspecting that it does not.... > > anyone ever use one? > > thanks much, z > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 06:48:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7EEA3BEDC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230141630.0ae813c0@annihilist.com> <026601c60da9$215c0270$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230192303.0a9b3c68@loopers-delight.com> <02c301c60dbd$19011840$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <842434DD-80D3-4684-94CF-74CB26A6EED5@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:45:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:48:05 +0000 (UTC) > Current price on the Fulltone TTE is list $1200, with a "current > sale price" of $1080. ah...thanks for the correction. I knew they had gone up but had forgotten the exact pricing. > I should have bought one last year at only $899. Que sera oh well... The good news is that I see them with some regularity on the used market in the $700-800 range. Still not cheap, of course, but that's always an option to keep in mind. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 06:58:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C96A23BED5; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: midimate again, cc values Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:58:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 428, in=203228, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:58:18 +0000 (UTC) This MIDI controller thing for looping units is madness. I've been waiting in the background for someone to find the jackpot, so I too can leave that big ol' Behringer home. I don't want to switch back to my EDP controller, as small as it is, because I loose some cool features. It seems that all the small and petite controllers don't send the type of messages we need. I just need a controller like my ADA MC-1 that will send notes...that's all...just a minor, harmless request. :) How about the RFX MP128 Midibuddy Midi controller? http://cgi.ebay.com/RFX-MP128-Midibuddy-Midi-controller-NR_W0QQitemZ7377760959QQcategoryZ22669QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting The Mesa Boogie Abbacuss? http://cgi.ebay.com/Mesa-Boogie-Midi-Abacus-Foot-Controller-FloorBoard_W0QQitemZ7378593611QQcategoryZ43374QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem The Roland GFC50? (cute little thing) http://www.bananas.com/productdetail.asp/pid_2340/productname_Roland-GFC50-MIDI-Foot-Controller-Pedal What about paying someone to make a custom pedel? What that be outragious? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 11:41 PM Subject: Re: midimate again, cc values As I recall, the MIDI Mate won't do that. It'll send program changes, or you can put it into "controller" mode, where the bottom five buttons send program changes, and the top five buttons can send one CC message. It's really intended to control rack-style guitar set-ups, with the CC buttons turning individual effects (chorus, delay, etc.) on or off within a given preset. TravisH On 12/30/05, Zoe Keating wrote: > I'm fed up with the gargantuan size of my FCB1010 and am testing new > midi pedals to use with Monsieur RPTR. > The Ground Control & All Access are too big in their own ways. How > would I reach the 3rd row? And so heavy! The Rocktron MidiMate looked > like the right size and the advertised specs looked right. (and so > small! so darling! it fits so neatly in my suitcase!! ) > > I cockily thought...."Well, I've mastered programming of the FCB1010. > Mapping my patches over to the MidiMate will be a breeze...." > > SILLY ME. > > Does anyone out there use one? I've just wasted a few hours trying to > crack this thing. > > I simply need to send simultaneous messages. For example: > > PC 5 + CC 11 value 105 > > I am fine setting the PC messages. How do I assign values to the CC > messages??? I'm stumped! > > From everything I read online, I assumed the pedal would do this. > But now I'm suspecting that it does not.... > > anyone ever use one? > > thanks much, z > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 07:07:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF3D43BED9; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:07:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: midimate again, cc values Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Okay, if you're looking for panacea in a somewhat smaller form factor, get a Peavey PC1600x. Then, get *any* small foot controller (yes, the MC-1 will do) that sends program changes. The PC1600x will transform those PC's into *anything* (even sysex, if you want). Some laptop programs will do the same thing, but it seems a lot of people are wary of giving up dedicated hardware. PC1600x is about the same size as a computer keyboard (besides, just set it out of the way on top of your rack). Foot controller can be as small or large as you like. Oh, and if you like, you can plug two expression pedals directly into the back of the PC1600x, too. --m. At 11:58 PM -0700 12/30/05, Kris Hartung wrote: >This MIDI controller thing for looping units is madness. I've been waiting >in the background for someone to find the jackpot, so I too can leave that >big ol' Behringer home. I don't want to switch back to my EDP controller, as >small as it is, because I loose some cool features. > >It seems that all the small and petite controllers don't send the type of >messages we need. I just need a controller like my ADA MC-1 that will send >notes...that's all...just a minor, harmless request. :) > >How about the RFX MP128 Midibuddy Midi controller? >http://cgi.ebay.com/RFX-MP128-Midibuddy-Midi-controller-NR_W0QQitemZ7377760959QQcategoryZ22669QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting > >The Mesa Boogie Abbacuss? >http://cgi.ebay.com/Mesa-Boogie-Midi-Abacus-Foot-Controller-FloorBoard_W0QQitemZ7378593611QQcategoryZ43374QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >The Roland GFC50? (cute little thing) >http://www.bananas.com/productdetail.asp/pid_2340/productname_Roland-GFC50-MIDI-Foot-Controller-Pedal > >What about paying someone to make a custom pedel? What that be outragious? > >Kris > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Travis Hartnett" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 11:41 PM >Subject: Re: midimate again, cc values > > >As I recall, the MIDI Mate won't do that. It'll send program changes, >or you can put it into "controller" mode, where the bottom five >buttons send program changes, and the top five buttons can send one CC >message. It's really intended to control rack-style guitar set-ups, >with the CC buttons turning individual effects (chorus, delay, etc.) >on or off within a given preset. > >TravisH > >On 12/30/05, Zoe Keating wrote: >> I'm fed up with the gargantuan size of my FCB1010 and am testing new >> midi pedals to use with Monsieur RPTR. >> The Ground Control & All Access are too big in their own ways. How >> would I reach the 3rd row? And so heavy! The Rocktron MidiMate looked >> like the right size and the advertised specs looked right. (and so >> small! so darling! it fits so neatly in my suitcase!! ) >> >> I cockily thought...."Well, I've mastered programming of the FCB1010. >> Mapping my patches over to the MidiMate will be a breeze...." >> >> SILLY ME. >> >> Does anyone out there use one? I've just wasted a few hours trying to >> crack this thing. >> >> I simply need to send simultaneous messages. For example: >> >> PC 5 + CC 11 value 105 >> >> I am fine setting the PC messages. How do I assign values to the CC >> messages??? I'm stumped! >> >> From everything I read online, I assumed the pedal would do this. >> But now I'm suspecting that it does not.... >> >> anyone ever use one? >> >> thanks much, z >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 07:11:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF4373BED9; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PG5CNMusyWahyI7kyqImD3zzjwajO/xHyWpNso7bNH4cb6olew70IcRQQWdr86U1fbY02ZrbnvEda+syxZwF2zaUOxzw2TFvhvhrHlElCSa9OHm73FSqraEOI8AvyFw9htSa4JqW62hMKg/1QNzfmx3sMRm3IgkvA0vhBauQI7A= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:10:59 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midimate again, cc values In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Whoops, I'm wrong. If you're in Controller mode, you can send CC messages with the program changes. For PC 5 + CC11=3D105 I think this'll do it: Press the Access button until "Controller" LED lights. Press "2nd" button. Use the Bank Adjust buttons to select PC 5 Press the "2nd" button, then press the 5 or 6 button until "Controller Assignment" Press the "6" button until "BTN5 OFF" appears. Now you need to assign Button 5 to CC 11. Press the "1" button until the display reads "BTN5 11". Now we'll assign CC 11 the default value of 105. Press the "6" button until "Programmable Changes" appears. Press the "6" button until "SET5 OFF" appears. Press the "0" button until the display reads "SET5 105" (you can use the "1" button, but it takes longer to go up to 105...). Press the "2nd" button to take you out of edit mode. TravisH On 12/30/05, Zoe Keating wrote: > I'm fed up with the gargantuan size of my FCB1010 and am testing new > midi pedals to use with Monsieur RPTR. > The Ground Control & All Access are too big in their own ways. How > would I reach the 3rd row? And so heavy! The Rocktron MidiMate looked > like the right size and the advertised specs looked right. (and so > small! so darling! it fits so neatly in my suitcase!! ) > > I cockily thought...."Well, I've mastered programming of the FCB1010. > Mapping my patches over to the MidiMate will be a breeze...." > > SILLY ME. > > Does anyone out there use one? I've just wasted a few hours trying to > crack this thing. > > I simply need to send simultaneous messages. For example: > > PC 5 + CC 11 value 105 > > I am fine setting the PC messages. How do I assign values to the CC > messages??? I'm stumped! > > From everything I read online, I assumed the pedal would do this. > But now I'm suspecting that it does not.... > > anyone ever use one? > > thanks much, z > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 07:15:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 602233BED2; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oNp7zLXirwzvYTEUuEWcFudTe2/hbvIotorM9fbQy4PnszcFfrtWN5kaD1JIdCKrMSOcI642BH7KjH+ByDikNbifEyztXpXknSA17aTbW4mJ277lmtErS64uD0sexroIvbv1UwJhsXb6Kh1sFriAqXvNoniQdp5vtip7N9UERh4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:15:28 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midimate again, cc values In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <_SYOh.A.FlG.SAjtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Oh, and don't forget to press "Store" at the end (button 4) of all that. Once you've defined button 5 as CC 11=3D105, you need to have button five "on" when you're in PC 5, then press "Store". You'll see "STORED" scroll across the display, and subsequent PC 5 messages should include the CC11=3D105. TravisH On 12/30/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Whoops, I'm wrong. If you're in Controller mode, you can send CC > messages with the program changes. For PC 5 + CC11=3D105 I think > this'll do it: > > Press the Access button until "Controller" LED lights. > Press "2nd" button. Use the Bank Adjust buttons to select PC 5 > Press the "2nd" button, then press the 5 or 6 button until "Controller > Assignment" > Press the "6" button until "BTN5 OFF" appears. Now you need to assign > Button 5 to CC 11. Press the "1" button until the display reads "BTN5 > 11". > Now we'll assign CC 11 the default value of 105. Press the "6" button > until "Programmable Changes" appears. > Press the "6" button until "SET5 OFF" appears. Press the "0" button > until the display reads "SET5 105" (you can use the "1" button, but it > takes longer to go up to 105...). > Press the "2nd" button to take you out of edit mode. > > > TravisH > > > On 12/30/05, Zoe Keating wrote: > > I'm fed up with the gargantuan size of my FCB1010 and am testing new > > midi pedals to use with Monsieur RPTR. > > The Ground Control & All Access are too big in their own ways. How > > would I reach the 3rd row? And so heavy! The Rocktron MidiMate looked > > like the right size and the advertised specs looked right. (and so > > small! so darling! it fits so neatly in my suitcase!! ) > > > > I cockily thought...."Well, I've mastered programming of the FCB1010. > > Mapping my patches over to the MidiMate will be a breeze...." > > > > SILLY ME. > > > > Does anyone out there use one? I've just wasted a few hours trying to > > crack this thing. > > > > I simply need to send simultaneous messages. For example: > > > > PC 5 + CC 11 value 105 > > > > I am fine setting the PC messages. How do I assign values to the CC > > messages??? I'm stumped! > > > > From everything I read online, I assumed the pedal would do this. > > But now I'm suspecting that it does not.... > > > > anyone ever use one? > > > > thanks much, z > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 07:24:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 209B23BED9; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B63236.4080508@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:24:38 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20051230121048.011592a0@mail02.powweb.com> <017f01c60d7e$d1a88340$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <017f01c60d7e$d1a88340$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5R11DD.A.huG.6IjtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > I mean, 400 loopers on > LD may have a different perspective on what they want in a looping device > than 10,000 kids round the world. Which has the most potential for revenue? This is the point for a big company, they want to sell 10,000 units and not just 400. To show a looper device to one of the 400, you need experts as sales persons, which do not exist. To explain a complicated instrument to one of the 10,000 will drive most of the potential customers to the more simplistic competition. The only problem for the big companies is that the big names (musicians) have other needs than the 10,000 would understand... I once asked for a fretless bass with individual outputs for each string. I heard that a famous musician was playing it. They explained to me its not available, it was a custom made version for that musician... We should compare Bob with a crafted guitar/bass maker who has a personal relationship with his customers, not with a mass market company like Ibanez. In the end there is no need to drive Boss to create the ultimate looper. An instrument is a very personal issue, and as long there are instrument builders you will find the one which could build it for you. We need more Bobs, not better marketing/R&D for big companies. (They are quite good already for what they do) When the first Jamman and Echoplex hit the market, almost the same day, I was playing both and was delighted, but in the end I did not buy them. Instead I started to make my own tools myself for my very personal needs and get more than I could have ever imagined. I never wanted to turn my personal instrument into something to sell, it would have to be limited to fit more than just my needs and still keep it simple. 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Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 09:05:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDFF63BED2; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230235308.0a692148@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:07:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: midimate again, cc values In-Reply-To: <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:05:02 +0000 (UTC) At 10:58 PM 12/30/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: >This MIDI controller thing for looping units is madness. I've been waiting >in the background for someone to find the jackpot, so I too can leave that >big ol' Behringer home. Let's hear it Once again for the Digitech PMC-10! http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/PMC10/PMC10.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 10:17:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B4013BED6; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:17:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005801c60df3$7874eaa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Derek Bailey RIP Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:17:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:17:54 +0000 (UTC) I know that Derek Bailey's passing has been mentioned here before but my wife just sent me this excellent short biography from Englands' the Guardian. I thought I'd pass it on: R. Derek Bailey Restlessly creative guitarist forever pushing at the boundaries of music John Fordham Thursday December 29 2005 The Guardian On and off over the past decade, I would meet Derek Bailey in the same Chinese restaurant in Dalston, north London. As well as being a wonderful raconteur, the Yorkshire-born guitarist regularly blew holes in convenient wisdoms sitting smugly on some shelf in my head. His provocativeness was not oneupmanship, or a parade of erudition; it was the way his brain was wired. He had done the same for musicians and listeners all over the world for 40 years or more as a free-player and a freethinker, a Frank Zappa for the world of spontaneous performance. Bailey, who has died aged 75 of complications from motor neurone disease, was a guru without self-importance, a teacher without a rulebook, a guitar-hero without hot licks and a one-man counterculture without ever believing he knew all the answers - or maybe any at all. With his passing, the world has lost an inimitable musician and an implacable enemy of commercialised art. Bailey once described his friend John Zorn, the American avant-garde composer and improviser, as "a Diaghilev of contemporary music" for his catalytic influence. But he could as easily have been describing himself. He worked with performers as different as free-jazz piano legend Cecil Taylor, cool school saxist Lee Konitz, Harlem bop-and-swing hoofer Will Gaines, naked Japanese improvising dancer Min Tanaka, fusion guitar star Pat Metheny and the drum virtuoso Tony Williams. In later years, he collaborated with Japanese art-of-noise rock band the Ruins, and - when he had already passed 70 - with young drum and bass DJs. Singlemindedly devoted to unpremeditated improvisation, Bailey published a book on the subject in 1980 called Improvisation: Its Nature and Practice in Music. Twelve years later, it led to Jeremy Marre's revealing Channel 4 four-parter On the Edge: Improvisation in Music, an ambitious venture that Bailey both scripted and presented. The project tracked the improvising impulse through the most radical interpreters of Mozart, the methods of the organist at the Sacré Coeur, Paris, in baroque music or the blues, and in locations from the Hebrides to the Ganges. Bailey was born to George and Lily Bailey, in the Abbeydale district of Sheffield. His father was a barber, his uncle a professional guitarist who gave the boy his first instrument and some haphazard lessons. By a process of osmosis from musicians he met, sustenance from odd jobs, record-listening (bebop guitar pioneer Charlie Christian was his early model) and some later self-education in theory and arranging, Bailey became a pro on the UK dance-band and studio circuit in the early 1950s. By 1965, he was playing Blackpool seasons for Morecambe and Wise. By that time, he had begun rehearsing regularly with two adventurous younger players in Sheffield - classical percussionist turned jazz drummer Tony Oxley and bassist (later to become classical composer) Gavin Bryars. The three formed the group Joseph Holbrooke (named after an obscure British composer whose work they never played), and, from 1963 to 1966, its jazz beginnings in John Coltrane and the Bill Evans Trio were crossbred with ideas from John Cage, Stockhausen, serialism, Oxley's labyrinthine rhythm variations, and much more. Gradually, the group moved from jazz into a non-idiomatic approach - free-improvisation. >From 1966, Bailey began visiting the Little Theatre Club, a West End >bolthole where the drummer John Stevens ran all-comers' sessions and young >improvisers (including Evan Parker, Trevor Watts and Paul Rutherford), jazz >virtuosi (Dave Holland, Kenny Wheeler) and contemporary classical players >like Barry Guy gathered. With various versions of Stevens' Spontaneous >Music Ensemble, Oxley's sextet, the Music Improvisation Company >(electronics, percussion and Parker's sax) and the trio Iskra 1903 (with >trombonist Rutherford and bassist Guy), Bailey began to build a completely >new vocabulary for the guitar. Though he never abandoned the conventional instrument, he was mixing warped chordal ideas, serialism's lateral melodies, Cage's elevation of silence, pedal-operated electronics and a brittle attack borrowed from percussionists. From 1970, he also ran the Incus Records label, first with Oxley and Parker, then with his partner (and later third wife) Karen Brookman - their Hackney flat is still the Incus HQ. Bailey's Diaghilev qualities came to the fore in 1976, when he began his Company project, an improvisers' festival that involved 400 players each year up to 1994 in Britain, the US and Japan, with Zorn, Lee Konitz, saxist Steve Lacy, classical violinist Alexander Balanescu, bassoonist Lindsey Cooper and composer/saxist Anthony Braxton among those taking part. He also invited dancers, performance-artists, electronica-specialists and avant-rockers to join in, with the artists deciding who would improvise with who. He likened improvisation to spontaneous relationships and conversation - full of accidental harmonies, misunderstandings, passion and indifference. Though a sophisticated instrumentalist himself, he did not mind playing with people who had comparatively few skills; something interesting might always happen. He worked with bassist Bill Laswell and drummer Tony Williams in the trio Arcana in 1995, and collaborated with Pat Metheny and two percussionists on The Sign Of Four in 1996. He described that encounter to me thus: "The equipment I use I bought in Canal Street 15 years ago. Pat's sitting in the middle of what looks like the console of a 747, with four guitars and a distortion unit that could be used for dispersing mobs. There were two guys with huge percussion kits, and I'm making a lot of noise, and then he switches this thing on, and it's like there's three dogs playing around a little, and suddenly an elephant lands on top of them." Yet for all that raw-noise energy, Bailey continued to be a delicate acoustic improviser, often unaccompanied or in duets. Just in time, he was caught by the ideal biographer, Ben Watson, in the book Derek Bailey and the Story of Free Improvisation. And, though his combativeness never left him, he seemed to take heart from the musical eclecticism and dissolution of idiomatic differences he had done so much to encourage. "The kids don't mind whatever it is these days," he told me once. "Maybe there's a lot of stuff out there now that is by its nature odd. But they seem to be able to take anything. Which is great to somebody like me. I find it very comfortable. In an uncomfortable sort of way." Karen survives him, as does Simon, the son of his second marriage. Richard Williams writes: The least typical recording Derek Bailey ever made also turned out (not that he would have appreciated the compliment) to be one of the great jazz recordings of the last 40 years. Titled simply Ballads, and recorded in 2002 for John Zorn's Tzadik label, it consisted of solo guitar meditations on 14 songs from the standard repertoire, including Laura, Body and Soul, What's New, Stella by Starlight and You Go to My Head. Although this was the last project one might have expected from a professed enemy of composed music, it was no surprise to discover that in these songs - their musical and emotional contours long since flattened by overuse - Bailey found brand new angles and meanings, thanks to the application of his highly personal imagination and unique instrumental language. Extraordinary renditions, indeed, and utterly spellbinding. By the time he recorded another solo CD for Tzadik, entitled Carpal Tunnel, three years later, his refined technique had all but disappeared. No longer able to grasp a plectrum with his right hand, he adapted by striking the strings with his thumb. The album's title came from the condition, carpal tunnel syndrome, that was said by doctors to explain his reduced dexterity. In fact, it marked the onset of the motor neurone disease from which he died. In these pieces, the spiky elegance of Ballads is replaced by a halting delicacy reminiscent both of Japanese koto music and of the last paintings of Willem de Kooning, when illness had robbed the great abstract expressionist of the power to do anything other than trace a haunting shadow of the shapes and colours that had once burst from the canvas. · Derek Bailey, improvising guitarist, born January 29 1930; died December 25 2005 Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 10:34:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 115D73BED9; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <036c01c60df5$b61c89b0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20051230121048.011592a0@mail02.powweb.com> <017f01c60d7e$d1a88340$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43B63236.4080508@addcom.de> Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:33:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 91, in=53714, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Okay, I think you have a valid point here that makes sense to me. This means that in this group we shouldn't really be complaining that companies like Boss, Line 5, etc are not using our desired, practical or ideal feature set...thay have their own reasons for using the features they do (I have to agree with you that the marketing/sales/R&D teams aren't total dolts, but do know what they are doing and have some rationale behind what they do, although one might might argue that a feedback nob is not asking for a custom feature). If I understand you correctly, that would be like asking Fender to make a custom made Korean Strat for you, and charge only < $500. We need more "gear" luthiers, if I may use that phrase, like Bob, who are willing to make a variety of custom made units that satisfy multiple pro style looers. I hope I summarized your point effectively. Now we are talking thousands of dollars, however, like what the preamps that Walter Woods makes for guitarists and bass playes. They ARE expensnsive. The echoplexes don't even see in that range, given that you see major retailers like MF selling them. Maybe we're talking about a mid-point between consumer gear and high end custom pro gear with a looping unit. Kris > Kris Hartung wrote: > > I mean, 400 loopers on > > LD may have a different perspective on what they want in a looping device > > than 10,000 kids round the world. Which has the most potential for revenue? > > This is the point for a big company, they want to sell 10,000 units and > not just 400. To show a looper device to one of the 400, you need > experts as sales persons, which do not exist. To explain a complicated > instrument to one of the 10,000 will drive most of the potential > customers to the more simplistic competition. > > The only problem for the big companies is that the big names (musicians) > have other needs than the 10,000 would understand... > I once asked for a fretless bass with individual outputs for each > string. I heard that a famous musician was playing it. They explained to > me its not available, it was a custom made version for that musician... > > We should compare Bob with a crafted guitar/bass maker who has a > personal relationship with his customers, not with a mass market company > like Ibanez. > > In the end there is no need to drive Boss to create the ultimate looper. > An instrument is a very personal issue, and as long there are instrument > builders you will find the one which could build it for you. We need > more Bobs, not better marketing/R&D for big companies. (They are quite > good already for what they do) > > When the first Jamman and Echoplex hit the market, almost the same day, > I was playing both and was delighted, but in the end I did not buy them. > Instead I started to make my own tools myself for my very personal needs > and get more than I could have ever imagined. > I never wanted to turn my personal instrument into something to sell, it > would have to be limited to fit more than just my needs and still keep > it simple. > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x--- > --_____-----------|---------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- > -- _|_)----|-----()---------- > ----------()------------x---- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 11:05:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF45A3BEDE; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008c01c60dfa$19f80eb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: The Dark Ages (musical decade association) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:05:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Responding initially to Kim Flint's really fascinating analysis of the differences between the perceptions of the Baby Boomers and the GenXers about 50's, 60's,70'ss, 80's and 90's music (much of which I agree with) I wanted to talk a little bit about the difficulty inherent in talking monolithically about musical movements and their associated decades: The revolutions that occurred from 75-82 in popular music (on many different fronts) also bring up a really interesting point about the perceptions of past decades in popular culture. We talk about the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and some day about the Naughties as if they are monolithic time periods that define popular musical culture when in fact those associations are frequently innaccurate.. As an example, what we think of as 50's music did not really begin at all until around 1955 (the origins or rock occured but the mass popularity came with the advent of television. I read the other day that when Miles Davis put out the Birth of the Cool that a very small percentage of American families had a television set in their homes. By the time he release Kind of Blue (and had a very, very successful half hour television special featuring that wonderful band) a mere four years later, 90% of the homes in the US had television sets. The 60's as we know it, musically, arguably didn't start until the British Invasion stirred things up with the arrival of the Beatles in 1963. Think of that classic 1950's car culture film, American Graffiti with it's slicked back pompadour hairstyles, pony tales and cigarette packs rolled up into the shirtsleeves of white wife beater t-shirts. It was set in 1962 in California..................not 1955. Similarly, the late 60's psychedelic era really began in 67' but wasn't really felt strongly until 68' in the US (and please forgive me for my Ameri-centric descriptions----it's just where I grew up and what I know) lasted until around '71 or early 72' The revolutions that we think of in the 70's with punk and disco didn't really start until the mid 70's. Disco began in '72 but really influenced mass culture in '75. Punk began in 76 (arguably with the Ramones concert in London where members of the bands that would become the Sex Pistols and the Clash atteneded) ' but didn't really reach it's mass zenith until 77' (when the first rash of copy cat American bands started). So how do you describe the music of the 70's? Was it the Eagles in 72 or the Sex Pistols in late 76 (who hated everything that the Eagles and California coporate rock represented)? New Wave started in 76' and 77' but didn't really hit the mainstream until 78'-82'. What decade do we attribute it to? Hip Hop really began to go in 78' (it's immediate innovators go all the way back to 70's) but the 'golden age' of hip hop (according to Wikipedia---it's gotta be true) was from 86-93) Again, what decade do we attribute it to? You see my point. It's a little hard to talk monolithically about the music of the 80's, consequently because a lot happened (as pointed out by Kim). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 11:05:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87B923BEE1; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Kim Flint Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:05:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Zoom G2 Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43B665F6.29389.2E850E@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230155647.0ba75150@loopers-delight.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:05:45 +0000 (UTC) On 30 Dec 2005 at 16:06, Kim Flint wrote: > >The latest in a series of guitar pedals, this one finally seems to > >have all a looper could reasonably require. > given recent discussions, this statement seems unlikely. Errrr yes ;) However, I had a gig in Japan and couldn't take my usual rig - this single pedal allowed me to perform. Perhaps "minimally require" would be more accurate. Whilst those of you lucky enough to afford EDPs and similar may well feel the G2 woefully underspecced (10 seconds would have been nice), don't forget there's a spectrum from loopers who like to midi-sync, quantise, reverse, all the fancy stuff, to those of us at the low budget/tech end, who simply want to hold a loop and control the feedback whilst overdubbing. This relatively low tech requirement should be reflected in a low price, but until the G2, I'd argue no manufacturers met it. > can you tap the start and end times of the loop directly? or is it > only tap-tempo? Tap tempo. It's less a looper and more of a delay with hold, if you follow. Apart form everything else, it's great fun to play with! All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 11:37:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD3BE3BEC5; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03e601c60dfe$8ab156d0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230235308.0a692148@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: midimate again, cc values Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:37:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03E3_01C60DC3.DDB83AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Jpegs in urls=1.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://fr.guitarplug.com) (http) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 91, in=53717, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:37:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03E3_01C60DC3.DDB83AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The PMC-10 appears to be a rare beast, at the least the image of it. = There is one on eBay not, which looks mint but is missing a remote = controll. I can see why you don't have the picture on the LD page. I = found only one: = http://fr.guitarplug.com/img/produits/normal/3/7/37247.jpg What do you know of the German made Nobels MIDI controllers? They look = interesting. I like how they have a tilt to them. The manual for each = talks about a "Funny Note" Mode. I'm not sure if this would work for = controlling the EDP. See excerpts below. http://www.nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-1 14 FUNNY NOTE MODE This little feature may not be used for professional use. But if you = like it... 14.1 Connect any MIDI keyboard or sound module to the MIDI out jack (5). 14.2 While switching the unit on hold the "8" footswitch (2). 14.3 Each step on the footswitches sends out a MIDI note on the selected = MIDI transmit channel. Only one note can be sent out at a time. Possible notes are: .C = ... B.. The MIDI volume is always set to .64.. (See MIDI implemention chart) 14.5 The MODE switch (4) switches between 2 different octaves. After power down the MF-1 is set back to the BANK or DIRECT mode http://www.nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-2 8.3 FUNNY NOTE MODE The (just for fun) built in function of the FUNNY NOTE MODE in our = previous model MF-1 was really a success! Thanks to all! Therefore we have it in the MF-2 too! The = FUNNY NOTE MODE enables you to sends 12 MIDI notes (C~Bb; 10 octaves) to a connected keyboard. .1 SELECT POWER UP: .2 Switch the MF-2 off. .3 While switching the MF-2 on hold footswitch "8". Select the OUTPUTS (Values: 1..16) .4 The DISPLAY shows: .5 Enter the requested OUTPUT with the footswitches 0..9, UP, DOWN. .6 Press the ENTER key. Choose an OCTAVE (Values: 0..9) .7 The DISPLAY shows: (Octave 5) .8 Select the requested OCTAVE with the SELECT and ENTER key. Use the footswitches 0..9, UP/DOWN to send MIDI NOTES on the selected = octave. You can set the octave with the SELECT and STORE key! Have fun! .9 Switch the MF-2 off to finish the FUNNY NOTE MODE. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:07 AM Subject: Re: midimate again, cc values > At 10:58 PM 12/30/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: > >This MIDI controller thing for looping units is madness. I've been = waiting > >in the background for someone to find the jackpot, so I too can leave = that > >big ol' Behringer home. >=20 > Let's hear it > Once again > for the > Digitech PMC-10! >=20 > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/PMC10/PMC10.html >=20 > kim >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_03E3_01C60DC3.DDB83AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    The PMC-10 appears to be a rare beast, = at the least=20 the image of it.  There is one on eBay not, which looks mint but is = missing=20 a remote controll. I can see why you don't have the picture on the LD = page. I=20 found only one: http:= //fr.guitarplug.com/img/produits/normal/3/7/37247.jpg
     
    What do you know of the German made = Nobels MIDI=20 controllers? They look interesting. I like how they have a = tilt to=20 them.  The manual for each talks about a "Funny Note" Mode. I'm not = sure if=20 this would work for controlling the EDP. See excerpts = below.

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    14 FUNNY NOTE=20 MODE
    This little feature may not be used for professional use. But if = you=20 like it...
    14.1 Connect any MIDI keyboard or sound module to the MIDI = out=20 jack (5).
    14.2 While switching the unit on hold the "8" footswitch=20 (2).
    14.3 Each step on the footswitches sends out a MIDI note on the = selected=20 MIDI transmit
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    MIDI volume is always set to .64.. (See = MIDI=20 implemention chart)
    14.5 The MODE switch (4) switches between 2 = different=20 octaves.
    After power down the MF-1 is set back to the BANK or DIRECT=20 mode

    http://www= .nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-2


    8.3 FUNNY NOTE MODE
    The (just for fun) built in function = of the=20 FUNNY NOTE MODE in our previous model MF-1 was really
    a success! = Thanks to=20 all! Therefore we have it in the MF-2 too! The FUNNY NOTE MODE enables = you
    to=20 sends 12 MIDI notes (C~Bb; 10 octaves) to a connected keyboard.
    .1 = SELECT=20 POWER UP:
    .2 Switch the MF-2 off.
    .3 While switching the MF-2 on = hold=20 footswitch "8".
    Select the OUTPUTS (Values: 1..16)
    .4 The DISPLAY=20 shows:
    .5 Enter the requested OUTPUT with the footswitches 0..9, UP,=20 DOWN.
    .6 Press the ENTER key.
    Choose an OCTAVE (Values: = 0..9)
    .7 The=20 DISPLAY shows: (Octave 5)
    .8 Select the requested OCTAVE with the = SELECT and=20 ENTER key.
    Use the footswitches 0..9, UP/DOWN to send MIDI NOTES on = the=20 selected octave.
    You can set the octave with the SELECT and STORE=20 key!
    Have fun!
    .9 Switch the MF-2 off to finish the FUNNY NOTE = MODE.

    Kris

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Kim Flint"=20 <kflint@loopers-delight.com>
    To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Saturday, December = 31, 2005=20 2:07 AM
    Subject: Re: midimate again, cc values


    > At = 10:58 PM=20 12/30/2005, Kris Hartung wrote:
    > >This MIDI controller thing = for=20 looping units is madness. I've been waiting
    > >in the = background for=20 someone to find the jackpot, so I too can leave that
    > >big ol' = Behringer home.
    >
    > Let's hear it
    > Once = again
    > for=20 the
    > Digitech PMC-10!
    >
    >=20 http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/PMC10/PMC10.html
    >
    >=20 kim
    >
    >
    >=20 ______________________________________________________________________>=20 Kim=20 Flint           &n= bsp;        =20 | Looper's Delight
    > kflint@loopers-delight.com    = |=20 http://www.loopers-delight.com
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    ------=_NextPart_000_03E3_01C60DC3.DDB83AA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 12:08:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA0D13BEDC; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Yh+qX6GjtPUno90GL4fD8krid6URoS2g6iW3ppEsp1KveFifj4Q58DBCjxoN92HWNFRuCAwmySQiNiJpE982o5YmBJG+T5fF8pU0XzzL2zxUqSZHjIZIdeYPx7dsL0FCgWErTnFhm6nnAF+C5kYKBxLl6Ekj+HK3rVlWO2UWWQw= Message-ID: <353e2ed80512310408i395cf0f4n7cf8a0f9bbf8ef7b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:08:54 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Derek Bailey RIP In-Reply-To: <005801c60df3$7874eaa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <005801c60df3$7874eaa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:08:56 +0000 (UTC) On 12/31/05, loop.pool wrote: > I know that Derek Bailey's passing has been mentioned here before but my > wife just sent me this > excellent short biography from Englands' the Guardian. I thought I'd pas= s > it on: [ Bandwidth saving snip of Guardian obituary which is at http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,3604,1674695,00.html ] There's also another fitting obit written by Steve Voce, in the Independent= : http://news.independent.co.uk/people/obituaries/article335441.ece From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 12:09:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ECDA3BED0; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <008c01c60dfa$19f80eb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <008c01c60dfa$19f80eb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <09DC6FD4-61C4-483D-A5A2-E5D1030BD534@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Dark Ages (musical decade association) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:09:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:09:44 +0000 (UTC) On 31 dec 2005, at 12.05, loop.pool wrote: > It's a little hard to talk monolithically about the music of the > 80's, consequently because a lot happened (as pointed out > by Kim). Yes, that's a good point.To me Kim's post is more interesting from a sociological perspective than from a musical. I think we sometimes, as being musicians, tend to underestimate the importance of the way normal people (i.e. non musicians) look at music as the glue that keeps their life (and later on when they look back, their "life story") together. You may call that an escapist point of view, but it seems to be true for the majority. In all cultures it is common to look at a certain musical expression ("style") as representing a certain generation, and it also seems to me that this perspective is especially strong in the US. However, some musicians are blessed with the ability to step outside their generation and enjoy music for what it really is, as opposed to how society defines it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 12:28:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCB303BEDD; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.67.187.117] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230235308.0a692148@loopers-delight.com> <03e601c60dfe$8ab156d0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: zoom g2 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:28:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C60E05.A7158AB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:28:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C60E05.A7158AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't forget the excellent sound quality of this little baby........ 24 = bit 96Khz very clean sound, (perhaps i shouldn't mention sample rates = :)). I also love some of the other effects in it - I borrowed one from the = college where i teach and will be sad to take it back. The one with the pedal, (the stupidly named g2.1u) will allow you to do = realtime souind mangling plus pop in another pedal for hold/etc and it's = very cheap and small - which is good. By the By I mentioned that i had a flood here a while back. I kept my = pedals in 1 half of a guitar case to save me re-connecting ad infinitum. = A pod, a dl4 and my zoom 8080 were all drowned in 2 inches of water. When i rang up the insurance = company to claim compensation they told me that all the pedals were fine = - I got them home and - whadya know? They all work!! That zoom pedal has given me extremely reliable service since about 1997 = Lets hear it for the Zoom Coorporation!!! and a happy new year to all blah blah....... gw ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C60E05.A7158AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Don't forget the excellent sound = quality of this=20 little baby........ 24 bit 96Khz very clean sound, (perhaps i shouldn't = mention=20 sample rates :)).
    I also love some of the other effects = in it - I=20 borrowed one from the college where i teach and will be sad to take it=20 back.
    The one with the pedal, (the stupidly = named=20 g2.1u) will allow you to do realtime souind mangling plus pop in = another=20 pedal for hold/etc and it's very cheap and small - which is = good.
    By the By I mentioned that i had a = flood here a=20 while back. I kept my pedals in 1 half of a guitar case to save me = re-connecting=20 ad infinitum. A pod, a dl4 and my zoom 8080
    were all drowned in 2 inches of water. = When i rang=20 up the insurance company to claim compensation they told me that all the = pedals=20 were fine - I got them home and - whadya know?
    They all work!!
    That zoom pedal has given me extremely = reliable=20 service since about 1997
    Lets hear it for the Zoom=20 Coorporation!!!
    and a happy new year to all blah=20 blah.......
     
    gw
     
     
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C60E05.A7158AB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 12:41:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71B2D3BEE1; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bc01c60e07$79877c00$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: re: The Dark Ages (musical decade association) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:41:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C60E0F.DA4F3480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <8t_--D.A.c7F.qxntDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:41:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C60E0F.DA4F3480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fascinating stuff both Kim and Rick, for my 2 pennys I would add to = Ricks "where did the 80's begin and end?" stuff by asking... WHICH EIGHTIES? When "the Absolute 80's" compilations and/or club nites pop up now, it = NOT the 80's I remember!!! Where was I for Kate Bush, for take my breath away for Duran Duran for = Maddona for girls just wanna have fun for walk like an egyptian for bat = outa hell???? I should be so fucking lucky? lucky lucky lucky...! Like Kim, I remember the dark 80's, it was for me a decade that started = with Industrial music Circa Throbbing Gristle and ended with Industrial = music Circa Ministry. In between was Joy Division, Cure, Birthday Party, = Feotus, Neubauten, and of course Kraftwerk, which Kim correctly asserts = as the link between many ages and genres. (Hadnt thought of Sabbath... = but I see it now... just wasnt a Sabbath fan myself so chucked it in = with "Rawk en Rowl!") Thank GOD for MY 80's!!! mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C60E0F.DA4F3480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Fascinating stuff both Kim and = Rick,  for my 2=20 pennys I would add to Ricks "where did the 80's begin and end?" stuff by = asking...
     
    WHICH EIGHTIES?
     
    When = "the Absolute=20 80's" compilations and/or club nites pop up now, it NOT the 80's I=20 remember!!!
    Where was I for Kate Bush, for = take my breath=20 away for Duran Duran  for Maddona for girls just wanna = have fun=20 for walk like an egyptian for = bat outa=20 hell????
     
    I should be so fucking lucky? lucky lucky lucky...!
     
    Like Kim, I remember the dark 80's, it = was for me a=20 decade that started with Industrial music Circa Throbbing Gristle and = ended with=20 Industrial music Circa Ministry. In between was Joy Division, Cure, = Birthday=20 Party, Feotus, Neubauten, and of course Kraftwerk, which Kim correctly = asserts=20 as the link between many ages and genres. (Hadnt thought of = Sabbath... but=20 I see it now... just wasnt a Sabbath fan myself so chucked it in with=20 "Rawk en Rowl!")
     
     
    Thank GOD for MY 80's!!!
     
     
     
     
     
    mark francombe
    marks website is at =     www.markfrancombe.com he = writes for=20 www.furthernoise.org and = works at=20 www.transformlearning.com

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    ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C60E0F.DA4F3480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 12:48:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 754183BEE7; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010201c60e08$80842930$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:48:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Dear Mech, You wrote: " In the 80's, myself and everybody my age knew it for a fact that we were never going to see old age. Instead, we all expected that at any given moment, without warning, there could be a brief flash and a fireball that would quickly but painfully vaporize us." I appreciate your thoughts and feelings about this but a little historical perspective is important: Children (or teenagers) of the 80's aren't the only ones who experienced dark and fearful times. We had some doozies in the 60's, too. To whit: I spent several days in elementary school practising diving under our desks over and over; watching the skies and listening with utter fear to every plane that flew overhead during the Cuban Missile Crisis. That was 1962 when the world came closer than it ever had to be blown away. We lived in San Jose and military intelligence knew that that the Russians had Intercontinental Ballistic missiles aimed directly where we lived. I've never been so scared in my life. I was 9. I remember being stunned to learn that John F. Kennedy had been assasinated right as he had starting to talk about pulling out of Vietnam and putting the reins on the Military Industrial Complex (ironically, probably not even the reason he was assasinated) and having President Johnson pull us into a full scale war not 9 months later. I was 10. I remember how scary it was for 6 days when Watts was burned down in the Race Riots in 1965. I was 12. I remember very well, being clubbed and maced by tactical squads during Anti-War riots and watching whole groups of my friends having the living shit beat out of them by San Jose Police units and then seeing nothing about it in the papers even though there were press and photographers present. I was 15-17 I remember watching FBI agents taking down our license plate numbers.............it was really dissillusioning and there was a very, very dark feel of 'Big Brother' in the air in 1968 when two of the people who were really trying to change things were gunned down (Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr.) I was 15. I remember being terrified that I was going to have to go and possibly die in Vietnam in a War that I, personally, thought was immoral. I was 17 when I got assigned number 125 in the draft and they said they were gonna take everyone up to number 150..................I made my mother promise me that , in exchange for registering (which I did not want to do),that she would drive me to Canada in the trunk of our car so that I wouldn't have to go. Thinking that there was a huge chance that I might never see my family again (unless they visited me in Canda) was very frightening. I'd never even left home by then. That was some dark shit, let me tell you. I was 17-18. ************** It is true we did not live with the threat of AIDS but the 'glow' and optimism of the hippy era that Kim and others have talked about lasted a depressingly short couple of years before the shit hit the fan. 10 Hippy volunteers came down to do a benefit for the Haight Ashbury Medical Clinic that I was a volunter security for. 3 years later, every single one of them had died of meth overdoses or other drug related causes. There was a very dark side to the liberal use of drugs at that time. So, I really do not mean to minimize the fears that people legitimately had during the 80's but this Sweet, naive painting of the 50's and 60's is just not accurate. I truly don't think that the 60's was better than the 80's. I actually think that they were both the most fertile decades in terms of musical innovation and really large changes in musical style that effected the whole culture. I just think that we react to dark things differently at different ages. There was a lot of darkness in the 80's to be sure but I was in my late 20's and early 30's during that decade and I was in my teen years in the 60's. I felt fear a lot more in the 60's than the 80's. Shit, the potential Bird Flu pandemic is really frightening to me, but I'm in my 50's and I realize that even if worse comes to worse that most people will survive such a thing. God, to be 12 years old right now? Ouch!!!!!! yours, respectfully, Rick (a Baby Boomer who really likes all the Dark music that began in the 80's,by the way.................lol, I only saw one other person my age at the recent Nine Inch Nails concert in Santa Cruz) ps And, by the way, we never considered the 'Long Hairs' who spat on the returning Vietnam Vets to be 'Hippies'. A true Hippy would not have done that. The original Hippy movement lasted a very short time before mainstream culture began to accept long hair as anything but being 'Freaky'. Early on we called each other 'Freaks' not Hippies, anyway. I did a lot of work with the Vietnam Vets and we did many benefit concerts for them and always was cognizant of how racist and classist the system was that had mostly poor, undeducated black, browns and whites populating the ranks of the 'grunts' who were forced to fight that war. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: Re: The Dark Age > Being a now-forty-something child of Generation X myself, I couldn't agree > more with both Todd and Kim. > > Let me further expound (read: beat into the ground) on a point that Kim > made earlier. If you were a youth in America during the 80's, you felt as > if you'd paid your cover charge and were handed a death sentence at the > door. > > While I am being metaphorical (not to mention somewhat cryptic) I'm not > really exaggerating. Think about it: In the 80's, the Presidency of one > of the world's major superpowers was occupied by a psychotic puppet > (Reagan), who seemed to be hell-bent on committing suicide by pissing off > the head of one of the world's other major superpowers, which was at that > time run by another string of blustering lunatics (Brezhnev, Andropov, > Chernenko) that were only too eager to meet him toe-to-toe. On top of > that, you've got China (we could never figure out exactly *what* the hell > China was up to, but we sure didn't trust whatever it was) as well as all > the smaller countries with nuclear arms and a grudge (Pakistan/India, N/S > Korea, Israel). > If we weren't > "lucky" enough to be within 100 miles of an urban area, we could look > forward to the inescapable pleasure of radiation sickness from the > fallout -- a few painful weeks of lesions and internal hemorrhaging before > we expired, liquefied from the inside out like an Ebola victim. > > We had been well-raised and indoctrinated with MAD. Another generational > touchstone here: To the generation before us, those initials are the name > of a satirical magazine. Say them aloud to the generation after, and > they're likely to associate them with Mothers Against Drunk Driving. To > us they will always be Mutually Assured Destruction. In other words, we > all die together -- horribly. > > Bill Burroughs summed it up well: "Look at the prison you are in, we are > all in. This is a penal colony that is now a Death Camp." > > So, is it any surprise that much of the music -- the expressions of art in > general -- were so dark during the 80's? I'm still surprised (and, to > tell you the truth, in somewhat a state of paranoid disbelief) that I made > it past 30. > > Yes, there were happy times and moments of light during that decade. But > underlying it always was a tension, a subconscious tugging that at any > moment the gravity would fail, the airlocks would blow, and everything > would go up, fly away in a hail of flame and ash. > > Dark arts for a dark time... > > --m. > > > > At 9:04 PM -0700 12/30/05, Todd Howell wrote: >>Dang Kim......... >> >>This is really well articulated. You have viewed these particular moments >>in culture with the keen eye of an anthropologist. I don't completely >>agree with every observation you've made here, but I admire the way you've >>thought this out. >> >>I particularly find the sixties vexing. Being a pre-schooler during that >>time, my difficulty with the time period is based on foggy memories and >>observations from popular culture. Yes, I believe alot of brilliant, >>groundbreaking cultural and musical moments occurred during this time, I >>do however have a real problem with the whole flower-power/summer of >>love/hippie utopianism of the time versus the reality of "hippies" >>harassing returned Vietnam Veterans (who were usually poor whites or >>minorities). I have a problem with all of the Spock-weened baby boomers >>and their endless "you weren't there man.....the sixties were a time of >>revolution" clap-trap, making it seem like it was the only time worth >>being alive. Perhaps a time of revolutionary self-involvement. >> >>I realize relating to the nihlist punk era of the seventies exposes me to >>a whole other set of criticisms. It seemed a whole lot more realistic from >>my point of view. >> >>Now in my forties, I realize that there is brilliance and utter bull-sh*t >>in every era of music and pop culture and no single epoch has a singular >>hold on innovation or genius. It is what you take away from an era that >>gives it value, perhaps not what actually happened. >> >>Other opinions and rebukes? >> >>Greetings From Colorado >> >>Todd >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Kim Flint >>>Sent: Dec 30, 2005 6:14 PM >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: The Dark Age >>> >>>At 02:28 PM 12/27/2005, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >>>>Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred to >>>>as "the dark age"? >>> >>>Funny, I read this different from most of you. I immediately thought >>>"dark >>>age" in terms of aesthetic and emotional content, rather than a "period >>>of >>>history where progress stopped". When I read other's responses, it really >>>left me thinking about this. To me, 80's music had a darkness to it that >>>wasn't really there in music of the several decades prior. In much 80's >>>music there was rage, melancholy, aggression, coldness, depression, >>>rebellion, hopelessness, cynicism, disillusionment, fear, nihilism. New >>>wave, punk, techno, rap, death metal, early goth/industrial, etc. >>>Obviously >>>I'm not talking about pop music, but even superficial 80's synth pop had >>>something dark running underneath. To me this era was really, really >>>different musically from much of the 50s/60s/70s. >>> >>>Where I live, this "dark 80's" theme is really popular in dance clubs >>>lately - it seems to be a theme many are connecting to again. Maybe that >>>is >>>illustrative. >>> >>>It goes back to that context thing we discussed previously. The music of >>>the 80's reflected the times, as well as the life experiences of the >>>youth >>>who were mostly creating and listening to it. If you can't put yourself >>>into that context you won't get it. Growing up in the 70's and 80's >>>didn't >>>look like the "leave it to beaver" reruns we watched on TV. For us >>>"genXers" our formative years were filled with recessions, oil crisis, 3 >>>mile island, nuclear annihilation threats, hostages, post >>>vietnam/watergate >>>cynicism, cold war, AIDS, crack, "evil empires", iran/contra, shallow >>>yuppie greed, moral majority, S&L collapse, etc. The times were >>>pessimistic >> >and cynical and harsh, and so was the music. We didn't put flowers in >> our >>>hair; we had Slayer. >>> >>>Also, our generation's culture was (still is) perpetually overshadowed by >>>the huge demographic glut of baby-boomer culture. That plays into it >>>somehow as well. >>> >>>(this was the American version/perspective anyway, in other parts of the >>>world I think it worked out differently.) >>> >>>I think the growing-up experiences of the baby-boomer generation were >>>really, really different from this. The 50's and 60's were times of >>>economic boom and prosperity in America, as well as a time of optimism >>>and >>>a belief in changing the "system" for the better. Times and attitudes >>>were >>>more positive and happy and idealistic. On the other hand, the good >>>economy >>>and "times of plenty" of their formative years I think also led to a bit >>>of >>>self-indulgent behavior among many in that generation, a world-view of >>>"we >>>want it, give it to us". A sort of spoiled child effect. (the "Me >>>Generation" label always struck me as fitting.) All of this I find >>>reflected in the music and culture of those times. >>> >>>And here is where the clash comes, which I find really interesting. I >>>think >>>there is much more to it than "kids rebel" / "parents don't get it". I >>>think these two generations of people, on the level of values and >>>aesthetic >>>choices, really don't understand each other at all. I think most >>>baby-boomers, when confronted in the 80's with stuff like Slayer or the >>>Cure or Depeche Mode or Public Enemy or Juan Atkins' techno or whichever, >>>just couldn't relate to it on an emotional/aesthetic level. I think this >>>resulted in a lot of knee-jerk reactions; that we slackers only produced >>>crap and couldn't live up to the supposedly glorious era of Woodstock and >>>the summer of love. (it still results in that reaction, as evidenced by >>>this thread on this list.) >>> >>>I know from my perspective, I've never been able to relate to most of the >>>baby-boomer era's music and culture. Or what I do connect to is not the >>>same elements the baby-boomers themselves wish to nostalgize endlessly in >> >VH1 documentaries. I can listen and appreciate easily enough, in a >>>historical/academic way, but the music mostly doesn't connect with me >>>emotionally. I know I'm not alone among genXers in this. Curiously, I've >>>always found it much easier to relate to and understand my grandmother's >>>generation, whether it was sitting down and talking to them or listening >>>to >>>their music. They clearly didn't understand the baby-boomers either (and >>>vice-versa), and I think it is because their own cultural values were >>>formed under such dramatically different conditions (economic >>>depressions, >>>world wars), and perhaps a bit more similar to ours. >>> >>>Somehow, this difference of context has a big impact on culture and music >>>specifically, and I think we really need to consider it carefully when >>>trying to judge something from one era or another. >>> >>>Several times now I've had a really amusing conversation, discussing the >>>most influential music of the last xx years with groups of >>>musically/culturally knowledgeable people. Of course people tend to >>>overweight their own era, but it is really interesting to see what >>>different groups of people consider important about one specific period. >>>For me, being from the later genX generation, two names that immediately >>>jump to the top of the influential music list from the >>>late-60's/early-70's >>>boomer era are Black Sabbath and Kraftwerk. Both of these held huge >>>influence over the music of the 80's, when I was growing up. The eventual >>>sounds of Rap, Metal, Techno, Synth Pop, New Wave, and Industrial drew >>>considerably from the aesthetic and sound of these two groups. To me that >>>seems obvious, being an 80s kid. Certainly pop-music historians have been >>>citing Kraftwerk as one of the most influential groups of the last >>>century >>>for some time now, as they were such a big influence on early Rap, >>>Techno, >>>Industrial, and New Wave. But invariably, the baby-boomer members of >>>these >>>discussions have never heard of Kraftwerk! I always find this really >> >surprising. How can you produce one of the most influential groups ever >> and >>>not know who they were? Name recognition of Black Sabbath is usually >>>better, but they are mostly not on the boomer's list either. >>> >>>To me this is amusing, but also illustrative of this divide in cultural >>>aesthetic. Black Sabbath and Kraftwerk were both reflecting a cold >>>darkness >>>in their music that the next generation was really going to respond to >>>during their "dark age", but most of their own generation didn't >>>understand. We noticed their music and ran with it. Meanwhile, from my >>>perspective it was really hard to look back at that era and understand >>>what >>>the big deal was about Jimi Hendrix or Bob Dylan or many other such >>>artists. It was only when I tried to understand the context of their time >>>that I understood it at all. But I still don't relate to it. >>> >>>I also find it really interesting how we pick out musical examples from >>>other eras based on our own era's cultural aesthetic. How when I consider >>>the 60s/70s era of music, I immediately think of rather unusual groups >>>for >>>their times, like Kraftwerk or Black Sabbath, because those are the bits >>>I >>>understand. Or how boomers look at the 80's and mostly see examples of >>>rock >>>music that was really a vestigal remnant of their own era, like Journey >>>or >>>Def Leppard, and don't know anything about rap or techno or industrial or >>>new wave or metal or even punk. we miss all the interesting stuff. >>> >>>Maybe that's a point I'm arriving at here. You need the context to both >>>understand and find what is good. We obviously miss a lot. It leaves me >>>wondering about what we may be missing about the present. If the life >>>experiences of someone born circa-1950 can be so different from those of >>>someone born circa-1970 as to result in such different music, what about >>>those born circa-1990? The context of their formative years produces... >>>what? Are we missing it? >>> >>>kim >>> >>> >>>______________________________________________________________________ >>>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>>kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 13:04:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D86B3BED6; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <38D14ED9-A62F-46FA-BB82-86F78CC077C2@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Nobels MF1 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:04:38 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <-ER9gC.A.y0G.QHotDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:04:17 +0000 (UTC) the Nobels MF1 is what I'm currently using to operate the Looperlative - it's fine as a bog-standard program-change box. 'Funny note mode' is balls though. Might be more useable on the MF2, never tried one. It is, however, rather heavy and bulky for what it is. Easy to use, but a bit of a pain. Has dipswitches to change global midi channel (can't transmit on more than one channel.) No sockets for expression pedals, sadly. Is there such a thing as a CC pedal with just a Midi cable coming out, that you could daisy chain via a 'midi thru' port or something? just trying to work out how to get a CC pedal hooked up to the Looperlative. Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 13:36:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 783583BEE0; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CANwStkOCFIU1AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051231121538.02806850@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:36:08 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: feedback/features/new loopers...Multiply In-Reply-To: <20051231011803.87C373BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051231011803.87C373BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Steve wrote about looperlative >with it the way it is, you can do everything that rounded >multiply does Hey Steve, it's great of you to promote Looperlative, which is a very interesting product. ...but I think perhaps that statement is very misleading. Hopefully it's going to be possible to find ways of duplicating a great many of the EDP techniques to create musical structure using the Looperlative 8 loop architecture. However the Multiply as you describe it is nothing like that of the EDP. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 15:07:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E66C3BED0; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <41FE4C36.7070005@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:18:14 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nobels MF1 References: <38D14ED9-A62F-46FA-BB82-86F78CC077C2@steve-lawson.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38D14ED9-A62F-46FA-BB82-86F78CC077C2@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Steve Lawson wrote: > > Is there such a thing as a CC pedal with just a Midi cable coming > out, that you could daisy chain via a 'midi thru' port or something? > just trying to work out how to get a CC pedal hooked up to the > Looperlative. I use an old and cheap Rolls Midiwizard for this reason. 8 ( !!!) cc inputs. Midi in and outsmall, easy to program, silent to switch. luca p.s. have a good 2006, it seems that all the dark age ones are home and awake. All the others are trying to sleep to save energy for a crazy night ! Have the dark age ones become minimalists ??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 16:12:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D20943BED2; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <057301c60e24$f9558220$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <38D14ED9-A62F-46FA-BB82-86F78CC077C2@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: Nobels MF1 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:12:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 428, in=192151, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:12:21 +0000 (UTC) And can't send more than 12 notes from what I gather too. Oh well, it was worth a shot. I'm waiting for Zoe to buy and try out the Digitech unit. And for now I'll keep using my Behringer. It's not really that bad, and it does the job well....plus I will get around to using the expression pedels, which I have mapped to control volume and feedback right now. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > the Nobels MF1 is what I'm currently using to operate the > Looperlative - it's fine as a bog-standard program-change box. 'Funny > note mode' is balls though. Might be more useable on the MF2, never > tried one. It is, however, rather heavy and bulky for what it is. > Easy to use, but a bit of a pain. Has dipswitches to change global > midi channel (can't transmit on more than one channel.) No sockets > for expression pedals, sadly. > > Is there such a thing as a CC pedal with just a Midi cable coming > out, that you could daisy chain via a 'midi thru' port or something? > just trying to work out how to get a CC pedal hooked up to the > Looperlative. > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 16:25:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4C563BEDF; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mBUutliG7U82OpyDABm1GodH0N+10KXYSnVvDhaYiLAvs8Ib2xEZnHFS9ZxtRCMztA6t8SYUnTVzIa+SOJ6qtHfGgCQMswbqlbapKTUhyt1z3eqlAejWcl0aDvgXiN8LypDYody9T5HUMtEjnpYpEf2+Z4BCGKp8rmv7t/4rfIo= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:25:54 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nobels MF1 In-Reply-To: <057301c60e24$f9558220$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <38D14ED9-A62F-46FA-BB82-86F78CC077C2@steve-lawson.co.uk> <057301c60e24$f9558220$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Wasn't there some sort of memory-dropping issue with the PMC-10, or was that just related to old-gear-with-a-battery-that-needs-replacing? TravisH On 12/31/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > And can't send more than 12 notes from what I gather too. Oh well, it was > worth a shot. I'm waiting for Zoe to buy and try out the Digitech unit. A= nd > for now I'll keep using my Behringer. It's not really that bad, and it do= es > the job well....plus I will get around to using the expression pedels, wh= ich > I have mapped to control volume and feedback right now. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > the Nobels MF1 is what I'm currently using to operate the > > Looperlative - it's fine as a bog-standard program-change box. 'Funny > > note mode' is balls though. Might be more useable on the MF2, never > > tried one. It is, however, rather heavy and bulky for what it is. > > Easy to use, but a bit of a pain. Has dipswitches to change global > > midi channel (can't transmit on more than one channel.) No sockets > > for expression pedals, sadly. > > > > Is there such a thing as a CC pedal with just a Midi cable coming > > out, that you could daisy chain via a 'midi thru' port or something? > > just trying to work out how to get a CC pedal hooked up to the > > Looperlative. > > > > Steve > > www.stevelawson.net - site > > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 17:50:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 317563BEDE; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,317,1131339600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1971848247:sNHT38489092" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <38D14ED9-A62F-46FA-BB82-86F78CC077C2@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <38D14ED9-A62F-46FA-BB82-86F78CC077C2@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-977910828 Message-Id: <0725DE85-5C9E-4B1A-9F12-1C2FCB65B28C@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Nobels MF1 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:50:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <82_WHB.A.sYF.fTstDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:50:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-977910828 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed http://www.midisolutions.com/products.htm On Dec 31, 2005, at 5:04 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: > Is there such a thing as a CC pedal with just a Midi cable coming > out, that you could daisy chain via a 'midi thru' port or > something? just trying to work out how to get a CC pedal hooked up > to the Looperlative. --Apple-Mail-1-977910828 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII http://www.midisolutions.com/products.htm


    On Dec 31, 2005, at 5:04 AM, Steve Lawson wrote:

    Is there such a thing as a CC pedal with just a Midi cable coming out, that you could daisy chain via a 'midi thru' port or something? just trying to work out how to get a CC pedal hooked up to the Looperlative.


    --Apple-Mail-1-977910828-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 17:59:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 541D63BED8; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZTSLHcTv0yq9Q51Q56T5eN4FStNDavv51GGq+zum2jQdPPv2oL84f2A+OX+hbU/eHqv43h62vpEWDJsrbxk0MU0dxlCtNUQT8VDtIMXp0vN9v5w+ZGXrt1BFbLZYZBfHBwgD5ZMSvpj+mTM9kIEthtAkQXothqu02Eub00fNS28= ; Message-ID: <20051231175954.26571.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:59:54 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <014d01c60d7b$ed060110$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-951001714-1136051994=:24850" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:59:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-951001714-1136051994=:24850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit the big vampires need all these marketing & developing tools & tricks... the small guy has a dream... the mice & sheep take what they are givin... wise men wonder why... Kris Hartung wrote: Here's an example. I used to work in R&D for HP, and I managed a database and tool that stored product requirements (features, behaviors, benefits, priority, etc) for LaserJet printers. I worked with other folks in R&D and future product marketing. They reviewed and collected requirements from customers via various data collection methods - focus groups, surveys, interviews with executives, industry analysts, and power users, etc. Once we completed the requirement collection and validation, I used the tool to generate various reports for marketing and R&D leads. They used that data in R&D to drive the design of the product. This process helped us develop award winning products. I specifically remember features that were developed because of direct customer input. If we had left it up to the engineers to design the product, that would have resulted in a product designed with features that they thought were important, but which weren't necessarily important to the target customer. The engineers often had a completely different view of what features they wanted to build in to the product...often driven by capability or leveraging their area of specialty, or something else they were working on. I'm willing to bet that if you probed all of the fortune 500 companies, you would find that they had a similar process for designing products...and they wouldn't consider it a process of mediocrity, but one of necessity to survive and compete in the marketplace. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:41 PM Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... > > Kris, > > > > > if I had been the > > > program manager for the development of the unit, I would have done what > any > > > program manager in marketing would have done with the development of a > new > > > product, namely conducted a series of focus groups > > > > Ah! Built in mediocrity. I'd much rather see the result of Bob's vision > > unadulterated, than some marketeer's compromise. > > Please validate your claim. Are saying there is a better and more efficient > way to design a product that doesn't involve communicating directly with a > decent sample of potential users, documenting the list of features, and then > prioritizing them? Have you worked in a future product marketing team? They > work hand in hand with R&D. One can't function without the other. > > > Why do you think the loopers > > coming from the big-name companies are so lame? > > I don't believe I said that, so you'll have to retract your statement. > > > Focus groups and market-driven > > design ... Great Art rarely gets made by committee. > > Committee? What do you mean? And I did not limit the data collection > process to focus groups alone. Product marketing research uses various > tools. > > > And before you ask, yes I work in advertising ... ;-) > > Advertising and product marketing are two entirely different functions in a > corporation. Product maketing is designing the product with R&D even before > the proto-type phase, when it is still a concept. I've worked with both. As > I said, product marketing folks are the voice of the customer need for R&D. > I corpration would have to be comprised of idiots, in my opinion, to design > a product with no data on customer need. I don't no of a single corporation > who doesn't design products this way. It's the basics of marketing, the Five > P's - product, place, promotion, etc... > > Kris > > > > > Ian Petersen > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --0-951001714-1136051994=:24850 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    the big vampires need all these marketing & developing tools & tricks...
    the small guy has a dream...
    the mice & sheep take what they are givin...
    wise men wonder why...

    Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    Here's an example. I used to work in R&D for HP, and I managed a database
    and tool that stored product requirements (features, behaviors, benefits,
    priority, etc) for LaserJet printers. I worked with other folks in R&D and
    future product marketing. They reviewed and collected requirements from
    customers via various data collection methods - focus groups, surveys,
    interviews with executives, industry analysts, and power users, etc. Once we
    completed the requirement collection and validation, I used the tool to
    generate various reports for marketing and R&D leads. They used that data in
    R&D to drive the design of the product. This process helped us develop award
    winning products. I specifically remember features that were developed
    because of direct customer input. If we had left it up to the engineers to
    design the product, that would have resulted in a product designed with
    features that they thought were important, but which weren't necessarily
    important to the target customer. The engineers often had a completely
    different view of what features they wanted to build in to the
    product...often driven by capability or leveraging their area of specialty,
    or something else they were working on. I'm willing to bet that if you
    probed all of the fortune 500 companies, you would find that they had a
    similar process for designing products...and they wouldn't consider it a
    process of mediocrity, but one of necessity to survive and compete in the
    marketplace.

    Kris


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Kris Hartung"
    To:
    Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:41 PM
    Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers...


    > > Kris,
    > >
    > > > if I had been the
    > > > program manager for the development of the unit, I would have done
    what
    > any
    > > > program manager in marketing would have done with the development of a
    > new
    > > > product, namely conducted a series of focus groups
    > >
    > > Ah! Built in mediocrity. I'd much rather see the result of Bob's vision
    > > unadulterated, than some marketeer's compromise.
    >
    > Please validate your claim. Are saying there is a better and more
    efficient
    > way to design a product that doesn't involve communicating directly with a
    > decent sample of potential users, documenting the list of features, and
    then
    > prioritizing them? Have you worked in a future product marketing team?
    They
    > work hand in hand with R&D. One can't function without the other.
    >
    > > Why do you think the loopers
    > > coming from the big-name companies are so lame?
    >
    > I don't believe I said that, so you'll have to retract your statement.
    >
    > > Focus groups and market-driven
    > > design ... Great Art rarely gets made by committee.
    >
    > Committee? What do you mean? And I did not limit the data collection
    > process to focus groups alone. Product marketing research uses various
    > tools.
    >
    > > And before you ask, yes I work in advertising ... ;-)
    >
    > Advertising and product marketing are two entirely different functions in
    a
    > corporation. Product maketing is designing the product with R&D even
    before
    > the proto-type phase, when it is still a concept. I've worked with both.
    As
    > I said, product marketing folks are the voice of the customer need for
    R&D.
    > I corpration would have to be comprised of idiots, in my opinion, to
    design
    > a product with no data on customer need. I don't no of a single
    corporation
    > who doesn't design products this way. It's the basics of marketing, the
    Five
    > P's - product, place, promotion, etc...
    >
    > Kris
    >
    > >
    > > Ian Petersen
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >



    Yahoo! Shopping
    Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --0-951001714-1136051994=:24850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 18:16:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4717E3BEE0; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,317,1131339600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1892467488:sNHT28096252" In-Reply-To: <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-979470714 Message-Id: <5CF40524-FC2B-4D34-9147-25B41F5781C8@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: midimate again, cc values Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:16:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <7KoER.A.bXG.2rstDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:16:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-979470714 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Has a send-notes mode: Roland FC-200, very elegant, powerful...but 23 inches long! (And only one MIDI channel:() http://www.bananas.com/productdetail.asp/pid_2341/productname_Roland- FC200-MIDI-Foot-Controller-Pedal How many different notes do you need to send? Maybe these folks have a solution: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodfsw.htm On Dec 30, 2005, at 10:58 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I just need a controller like my ADA MC-1 that will send > notes...that's all...just a minor, harmless request. :) > --Apple-Mail-2-979470714 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Has a send-notes mode: Roland = FC-200, very elegant, powerful...but 23 inches long! (And only one MIDI = channel:()

    =

    How many different = notes do you need to send? Maybe these folks have a = solution:


    On Dec 30, = 2005, at 10:58 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:

    I just need a controller = like my ADA MC-1 that will send

    notes...that's all...just a minor, harmless = request. :)



    = --Apple-Mail-2-979470714-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 18:28:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 117923BEE8; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AT3CCJQpaMFe0D4Jx0y1sWyEf3LWMC0ARqbiMfq04kWGjKeysQNBARBPPaAJI8lWHu/4j5gFEdBlQuPsuuqk5hhK9ha96GfRB5geJt6sOSBMvbSHQrQMIr6K3yFdYLcjp2sgonuuardMcIS/sKCv4rOHgWl8tiX3NyvRnHBi8FM= ; Message-ID: <20051231182826.29241.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:28:26 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: best busking cities To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <237.47eb93a.30e706aa@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-411324505-1136053706=:29236" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:28:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-411324505-1136053706=:29236 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit awsome nemo!!! the BURG is not far from COW TOWN damn near sister cities... in columbus the art gallery hop is first saturday of the month & its not a bad hat... galleries are one of my favorite spots for documentry looping footage.keep us posted on the feb thing.when the weather breaks ill see a friday in the pittsburg 4 sure! good lookin out, danny/scary Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/30/05 4:17:15 PM, alderjas@msu.edu writes: Can't walk more than a few meters without running into someone(s) else playing music. that would be great!.....here in pittsburgh it's always "open season" on buskers, they are shot on site!.....but here's some news.....there is an area here called GARFIELD that has had a nice increase in "art" gallerie/venues.....on the first friday of each month there is an "art crawl", it grows monthly.....anyway, there is a chance that i will have use of a venue on the first friday of FEBUARY.....i know i'll be there.....anyone out there that would like to hang in the BURG for a weekend please get in touch, lots-o-floor and sleeping places and we can always throw water in the soup.....when i get the green lite (100%) that i can do this, i'll set the skinny free.....:)m --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-411324505-1136053706=:29236 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    awsome nemo!!!
          the BURG is not far from COW TOWN damn near sister cities...
    in columbus the art gallery hop is first saturday of the month & its not a bad hat...
    galleries are one of my favorite spots for documentry looping footage.keep us posted on the feb thing.when the weather breaks ill see a friday in the pittsburg 4 sure!
    good lookin out,
                           danny/scary
     
     


    Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

    In a message dated 12/30/05 4:17:15 PM, alderjas@msu.edu writes:


    Can't walk more than a few meters without running into someone(s) else
    playing music.


    that would be great!.....here in pittsburgh it's always "open season" on buskers, they are shot on site!.....but here's some news.....there is an area here called GARFIELD that has had a nice increase in "art" gallerie/venues.....on the first friday of each month there is an "art crawl", it grows monthly.....anyway, there is a chance that i will have use of a venue on the first friday of FEBUARY.....i know i'll be there.....anyone out there that would like to hang in the BURG for a weekend please get in touch, lots-o-floor and sleeping places and we can always throw water in the soup.....when i get the green lite (100%) that i can do this, i'll set the skinny free.....:)m

    Yahoo! Photos
    Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-411324505-1136053706=:29236-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 18:34:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 852113BED0; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cydI4oF5/Zbrwhh4kME2K4OW7Ezyskq2vJRcwV+HX3O3XLbUOw8VQP6O+fKtBEV06gByDjvGGK3Z68A0rYgC4gHN430FvLPLG6HbCpfifkrXcBNUB2Kbd97Q1egNeupuYV/m0GpQIHHsDYH9Jv32cyPTv3Zic+1o97khNu9Fxcc= ; Message-ID: <20051231183449.90442.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:34:49 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: The Dark Age To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7e1678e6ca1820c3c4e03201fb2e5017@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-861442999-1136054089=:89934" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:34:50 +0000 (UTC) --0-861442999-1136054089=:89934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit its a sin to associate the dream tangerine to those....that...stuff. Suit & Tie Guy wrote: On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred > to > as "the dark age"? because those people who refer to it as such never listen(ed) to David Sylvian Huey Lewis & the News the Pet Shop Boys Thomas Dolby anything on 4AD house music Tangerine Dream after '80 and before '85 breakdance electro etc ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-861442999-1136054089=:89934 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    its a sin to associate the dream tangerine to those....that...stuff.

    Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:
    On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill
    wrote:
    > Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred
    > to
    > as "the dark age"?

    because those people who refer to it as such never listen(ed) to

    David Sylvian
    Huey Lewis & the News
    the Pet Shop Boys
    Thomas Dolby
    anything on 4AD
    house music
    Tangerine Dream after '80 and before '85
    breakdance electro
    etc ...
    ---
    Eric Williamson
    www.suitandtieguy.com


    Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --0-861442999-1136054089=:89934-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 18:41:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB46A3BECD; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:48:16 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Nobels MF1 To: Message-id: <008b01c60e3a$c35bc060$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <38D14ED9-A62F-46FA-BB82-86F78CC077C2@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:41:35 +0000 (UTC) So - if I'm understanding the implications of this posting, the Looperlative requires a Midi interface / footpedal to operate its functions. But, does that mean no functions are controllable without midi? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 8:04 AM Subject: Nobels MF1 > the Nobels MF1 is what I'm currently using to operate the > Looperlative - it's fine as a bog-standard program-change box. 'Funny > note mode' is balls though. Might be more useable on the MF2, never > tried one. It is, however, rather heavy and bulky for what it is. > Easy to use, but a bit of a pain. Has dipswitches to change global > midi channel (can't transmit on more than one channel.) No sockets > for expression pedals, sadly. > > Is there such a thing as a CC pedal with just a Midi cable coming > out, that you could daisy chain via a 'midi thru' port or something? > just trying to work out how to get a CC pedal hooked up to the > Looperlative. > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 18:45:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B91B33BEE7; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <061e01c60e3a$5173e680$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051231183449.90442.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:45:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_061B_01C60DFF.A477BD10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -chris -interface -kindly -https -solving -mails -registration -queue +yahoo X-Aspam: URLS scored 0.8 yahoo.com servername.com netwin.co.nz X-Aspam: Best match was sample c:\good\1052269076.289_200.ball X-Aspam: Total 0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 426, in=187595, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:45:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_061B_01C60DFF.A477BD10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you writing this stuff down, Daniel, the Book of Daniel? You're the = king of metaphors and parables today. :) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: daniel stevenson=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: The Dark Age its a sin to associate the dream tangerine to those....that...stuff. Suit & Tie Guy wrote:=20 On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 wrote: > Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often = referred=20 > to > as "the dark age"? because those people who refer to it as such never listen(ed) to David Sylvian Huey Lewis & the News the Pet Shop Boys Thomas Dolby anything on 4AD house music Tangerine Dream after '80 and before '85 breakdance electro etc ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. ------=_NextPart_000_061B_01C60DFF.A477BD10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Are you writing this stuff down, = Daniel, the Book=20 of Daniel? You're the king of metaphors and parables today. = :)
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 daniel=20 stevenson
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, December 31, = 2005 11:34=20 AM
    Subject: Re: The Dark Age

    its a sin to associate the dream tangerine to=20 those....that...stuff.

    Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com>= =20 wrote:=20
    On=20 Dec 27, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20
    wrote:
    > Could anyone please explain to me why the = Eighties are=20 often referred
    > to
    > as "the dark age"?

    because = those=20 people who refer to it as such never listen(ed) to

    David=20 Sylvian
    Huey Lewis & the News
    the Pet Shop Boys
    Thomas=20 Dolby
    anything on 4AD
    house music
    Tangerine Dream after '80 = and=20 before '85
    breakdance electro
    etc ...
    ---
    Eric=20 Williamson
    www.suitandtieguy.com


    Yahoo! for Good - Make=20 a difference this year.
    ------=_NextPart_000_061B_01C60DFF.A477BD10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 18:49:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E1DF3BECD; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OvlUtVP2HzqV51ZS/c5Zs+gkHurVn7AUVItMCznUNb3Ee2ZwmDMxdvT1P9ilsR2+jIZc92hVJ/89ARsRFQkJpVzNhfDeR1+CWkEbWkxbvYyU5Lgq2EFAZQcFflbmLIrLONtAy8DbzthNVG2pml6X0e6/DWA6PlFlyxk4M9hl0rA= ; Message-ID: <20051231184919.36255.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:49:19 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: The Dark Age To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <061e01c60e3a$5173e680$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-264921061-1136054959=:36251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:49:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-264921061-1136054959=:36251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit lol im in the ebb and flow today... it all ends up in the drain Kris Hartung wrote: Are you writing this stuff down, Daniel, the Book of Daniel? You're the king of metaphors and parables today. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: daniel stevenson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: The Dark Age its a sin to associate the dream tangerine to those....that...stuff. Suit & Tie Guy wrote: On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred > to > as "the dark age"? because those people who refer to it as such never listen(ed) to David Sylvian Huey Lewis & the News the Pet Shop Boys Thomas Dolby anything on 4AD house music Tangerine Dream after '80 and before '85 breakdance electro etc ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --0-264921061-1136054959=:36251 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    lol im in the ebb and flow today...
    it all ends up in the drain

    Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    Are you writing this stuff down, Daniel, the Book of Daniel? You're the king of metaphors and parables today. :)
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:34 AM
    Subject: Re: The Dark Age

    its a sin to associate the dream tangerine to those....that...stuff.

    Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:
    On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill
    wrote:
    > Could anyone please explain to me why the Eighties are often referred
    > to
    > as "the dark age"?

    because those people who refer to it as such never listen(ed) to

    David Sylvian
    Huey Lewis & the News
    the Pet Shop Boys
    Thomas Dolby
    anything on 4AD
    house music
    Tangerine Dream after '80 and before '85
    breakdance electro
    etc ...
    ---
    Eric Williamson
    www.suitandtieguy.com


    Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.

    Yahoo! Shopping
    Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --0-264921061-1136054959=:36251-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 19:16:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EE193BEDB; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5guGGE0WKKI1CYvOWWI2mfUz8CZOLI/V/7KE7Kou/5BZnBr4Auby5A9VEeFCqbCpWumWAkzW+OkzfA4PlrL/TnxGwjKU09MSZsosXywdeLIYotLK33fEPX9WYRSgfg9eBdf/OYlqO65zOsLRX+ACcUWYAosuwst5OP37pRwOI30= ; Message-ID: <20051231191621.50773.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: laptop based loopers/effects for live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43B5B3C8.40406@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:16:23 +0000 (UTC) --- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > Its well worth to take the risc... But what about in 2006 when Apple abandons the PPC processor in favor of a Pentium? ;) Sorry. I couldn't resist. Mark __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 19:51:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14A683BED5; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:52:00 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Andy selectively quoted Steve writing about looperlative > with it the way it is, you can do everything that rounded > multiply does > And Andy replied >>>Hey Steve, it's great of you to promote Looperlative, which is a very interesting product. ...but I think perhaps that statement is very misleading. Hopefully it's going to be possible to find ways of duplicating a great many of the EDP techniques to create musical structure using the Looperlative 8 loop architecture. However the Multiply as you describe it is nothing like that of the EDP.<<< OK the half of that sentence that you cut off was "except force a rhythm out of a glitchy loop - at the moment you can't resample sections of one loop. That would be a great addition." - now the bit I'm getting mixed up with here is rounded and unrounded - whichever one of those means using record to end the multiply to chop the whole thing to the new length - you can get that effect whilst leaving the ambient stuff running underneath without the glitch - which for the integrity of the ambient stuff, is to most people a favourable scenario to having to cut the initial loop to length - it's certainly one of the two main reasons why I used two Echoplexes for the last three and a half years. That particular kind of effect is now available to you in one box. No the looperlative does do multiply like the EDP - I've already said 'it can't do that' to a whole load of Kris' questions about ways of getting the looperlative to do multiply. It certainly doesn't handle the audio in anything like the same way as the Echoplex. As I said, at the moment it's the second most versatile looper I've ever tried - the Echoplex has years and years of development and tweaking, and some expert input from not only Matthias and Kim, but yourself, Andre and others too. It's a remarkable instrument. However, given that it's major limitations have always been that it's mono and a single track, the looperlative giving me these extra options is a godsend. There are definite ways of emulating the end result of some of the Echoplex multiply functions even without actually dealing with the file in the same way. What you can't do is change one chunk of recorded audio's length at the moment - that'll happen as and when Bob writes the software. cheers, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 19:54:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FF483BED9; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:54:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Mike Battle Interview Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <02c301c60dbd$19011840$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <3D13469C-7A37-11DA-8B91-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:54:26 +0000 (UTC) On Friday, December 30, 2005, at 07:48 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Cripes, the thing gets some amazing reviews for its construction, fat > and > organic sound, etc. A dream world would be a Echoplex like the Digital > Plus > Pro that got its sound from tubes....just dreaming. > > Not quite the same idea, but what about following the EDP with something like this: http://www.rupertneve.com/portico5042.html It's the new Rupert Neve designed "budget" line Portico line driver and tape emulator. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 19:57:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83D4C3BED5; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0B481FAD-DE0C-4622-A319-263AA768FC7A@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: looperlative control Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:57:35 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:57:11 +0000 (UTC) >>>So - if I'm understanding the implications of this posting, the Looperlative requires a Midi interface / footpedal to operate its functions. But, does that mean no functions are controllable without midi?<<< have a look at www.looperlative.com - the picture there shows the front panel, which has button control for rec/overdub, play/stop and then four user programmable buttons to whatever functions you want to have on them. I have mine set to 'stop now' (the play/stop button is quantised to the end of the loop), 'erase', 'all stop' and, er, something else I can't remember... you can also access all the possible operations on any one track via the buttons and dial (at the moment I'm doing all my feedback control via the buttons and dial), and same with all the global functions (overall volume, play all, stop all, etc.) But in case it's what you were asking, there are no other ways to connect controllers at the moment than via the MIDI port - though I guess it could be possible for Bob to write some kind of ethernet thingie into the controller features at some point so you could rig something up via your PC. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 20:09:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C11713BED8; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:16:25 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: looperlative control To: Message-id: <00ba01c60e47$13d91ae0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0B481FAD-DE0C-4622-A319-263AA768FC7A@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Steve - Thanks for your answer. I'm a non-midi person. I don't use laptops. My selfish desire is to have a EDP style footpedal (Record, Overdub...) with one more button to switch "Loop Tracks." That would get me a lot - perhaps more than I can imagine fully using right there. And I would very humbly suggest that such a non-midi footpedal would open the Looperlative up to a much larger marketplace of buyers. :-) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: looperlative control > >>>So - if I'm understanding the implications of this posting, the > Looperlative > requires a Midi interface / footpedal to operate its functions. But, > does > that mean no functions are controllable without midi?<<< > > have a look at www.looperlative.com - the picture there shows the > front panel, which has button control for rec/overdub, play/stop and > then four user programmable buttons to whatever functions you want to > have on them. I have mine set to 'stop now' (the play/stop button is > quantised to the end of the loop), 'erase', 'all stop' and, er, > something else I can't remember... > > you can also access all the possible operations on any one track via > the buttons and dial (at the moment I'm doing all my feedback control > via the buttons and dial), and same with all the global functions > (overall volume, play all, stop all, etc.) > > But in case it's what you were asking, there are no other ways to > connect controllers at the moment than via the MIDI port - though I > guess it could be possible for Bob to write some kind of ethernet > thingie into the controller features at some point so you could rig > something up via your PC. > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 20:26:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C6093BEE0; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:26:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dwYMNHKlwkRnjmzuemxJil9h2zFHcaAT3+UqMuFvNXAoKkckhC00iTflQk6R7FM278gF8hP+rZRifcAQNUlug64BIaxwq5eLRRNOktlgBIrxW6/QYelcLsWi4sQziNtwFEu58ZduliDsmI/SGwyB4rhkcWSqEiWguA6wFuSacYI= Message-ID: <26ba8d120512311226q1c6e9c8cv7ffa42c4e5162d8d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:26:00 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looperlative control In-Reply-To: <00ba01c60e47$13d91ae0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0B481FAD-DE0C-4622-A319-263AA768FC7A@steve-lawson.co.uk> <00ba01c60e47$13d91ae0$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:26:02 +0000 (UTC) I don't agree at all. MIDI footpedals are cheap and plentiful -- you can just get one and plug it in the back. Excellence at looper design doesn't imply excellence at footpedal design... I'd rather the time was spent improving the looperlative rather than designing Yet Another Footpedal. On 12/31/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Steve - Thanks for your answer. I'm a non-midi person. I don't use > laptops. My selfish desire is to have a EDP style footpedal (Record, > Overdub...) with one more button to switch "Loop Tracks." That would get= me > a lot - perhaps more than I can imagine fully using right there. > > And I would very humbly suggest that such a non-midi footpedal would open > the Looperlative up to a much larger marketplace of buyers. :-) > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Lawson" > To: "Loop List" > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:57 PM > Subject: looperlative control > > > > >>>So - if I'm understanding the implications of this posting, the > > Looperlative > > requires a Midi interface / footpedal to operate its functions. But, > > does > > that mean no functions are controllable without midi?<<< > > > > have a look at www.looperlative.com - the picture there shows the > > front panel, which has button control for rec/overdub, play/stop and > > then four user programmable buttons to whatever functions you want to > > have on them. I have mine set to 'stop now' (the play/stop button is > > quantised to the end of the loop), 'erase', 'all stop' and, er, > > something else I can't remember... > > > > you can also access all the possible operations on any one track via > > the buttons and dial (at the moment I'm doing all my feedback control > > via the buttons and dial), and same with all the global functions > > (overall volume, play all, stop all, etc.) > > > > But in case it's what you were asking, there are no other ways to > > connect controllers at the moment than via the MIDI port - though I > > guess it could be possible for Bob to write some kind of ethernet > > thingie into the controller features at some point so you could rig > > something up via your PC. > > > > cheers > > > > Steve > > www.stevelawson.net - site > > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 20:33:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45E203BEDF; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001401c60e49$c6b83400$6fb85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <005801c60df3$7874eaa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Thought I'd post here first... Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:35:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Miko here with a brief pause from looping discussions in a desperate money generating attmept to make rent. I have a great vintage Big Muff, that I'd let go for $125... good condition with the requisite small scratches, but it's a great sounding od/fuzz and better than many I've had previously. Paypal would be great but contact me if you're interested. Image hosted by TinyPic.com Happy new year! -Miko Biffle 831.588.8162 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 20:54:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 947543BEDF; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <29556445.1136062457882.JavaMail.root@web29> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:54:17 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Availability of Echoplex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi, all: The Echoplex Digital Pro is listed at AMS for $999.95 and they say they're in stock. I thought it was hard to obtain EDP's. I'm thinking about popping for one after messing around with various other loopers. I really miss the MIDI sync feature to drive a percussion/drum beat and the efficient way to create additional loops on the EDP. If Roland & Digitech would just put a few more features in their offerings they would have some seriously nice boxes. Regards, Butch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 20:56:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B58F43BEE0; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:03:09 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: looperlative control To: Message-id: <00c301c60e4d$9b21ebc0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0B481FAD-DE0C-4622-A319-263AA768FC7A@steve-lawson.co.uk> <00ba01c60e47$13d91ae0$0affff0a@hppav> <26ba8d120512311226q1c6e9c8cv7ffa42c4e5162d8d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Cool. We disagree. You like mucking about in midi. I don't. I disagree that "excellence" in footpedal design would be required. An EDP style footpedal (Record, Overdub...) with one more button to switch "Loop Tracks" would widen the market for a Looperlative rackmount device a lot. The alternative is to require the purchase and programming of a midi-footpedal so you can start and stop "Record" with your feet (because your hands are busy on an instrument or because your rack is 15 feet away). That right there will severely limit the market for this cool new tool. That stated, I assume there will be no footpedal for the Looperlative. And we can argue till the cows come home how much of a market is cut-off by requiring the purchase and programming of a midi footpedal for the Looperlative. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: Re: looperlative control I don't agree at all. MIDI footpedals are cheap and plentiful -- you can just get one and plug it in the back. Excellence at looper design doesn't imply excellence at footpedal design... I'd rather the time was spent improving the looperlative rather than designing Yet Another Footpedal. On 12/31/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Steve - Thanks for your answer. I'm a non-midi person. I don't use > laptops. My selfish desire is to have a EDP style footpedal (Record, > Overdub...) with one more button to switch "Loop Tracks." That would get me > a lot - perhaps more than I can imagine fully using right there. > > And I would very humbly suggest that such a non-midi footpedal would open > the Looperlative up to a much larger marketplace of buyers. :-) > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Lawson" > To: "Loop List" > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:57 PM > Subject: looperlative control > > > > >>>So - if I'm understanding the implications of this posting, the > > Looperlative > > requires a Midi interface / footpedal to operate its functions. But, > > does > > that mean no functions are controllable without midi?<<< > > > > have a look at www.looperlative.com - the picture there shows the > > front panel, which has button control for rec/overdub, play/stop and > > then four user programmable buttons to whatever functions you want to > > have on them. I have mine set to 'stop now' (the play/stop button is > > quantised to the end of the loop), 'erase', 'all stop' and, er, > > something else I can't remember... > > > > you can also access all the possible operations on any one track via > > the buttons and dial (at the moment I'm doing all my feedback control > > via the buttons and dial), and same with all the global functions > > (overall volume, play all, stop all, etc.) > > > > But in case it's what you were asking, there are no other ways to > > connect controllers at the moment than via the MIDI port - though I > > guess it could be possible for Bob to write some kind of ethernet > > thingie into the controller features at some point so you could rig > > something up via your PC. > > > > cheers > > > > Steve > > www.stevelawson.net - site > > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 21:28:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57F973BEDF; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Joshua Morin" To: Subject: Looping question on usability... Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:29:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C60E27.526F0A00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYOUTr49uMckxM0Qo2jGp98kXsQoQ== Message-Id: <20051231212858.OETZ5216.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net@SERVER> X-Originating-IP: [0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:28:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C60E27.526F0A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, I am new to this list since I just bought my first looping pedal. I have a question about usability that maybe you can help out with. Often I perform solo or in a duo with two guitars and one vocal. I was looking for a pedal that would allow me to record part of my guitar performance of a song (live on scene) and play it back later on so I can play a solo or add interesting fills while I sing. So basically I am only concerned with one loop, but it is going to be the main instrument track. I just bought the Boss RC 20 and I am having a little trouble with it. I have read that it takes some practice, but my question is. Is it really possible to perform a first verse live while recording with the loop pedal and perform the second verse with the loop? How difficult will this be? Thanks in advance. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music 613.297.5962 www.joshuamorin.com joshua@joshuamorin.com ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C60E27.526F0A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi everyone, I am new to this list since I just = bought my first looping pedal. I have a question about usability that maybe you = can help out with.

     

    Often I perform solo or in a duo with two guitars and = one vocal. I was looking for a pedal that would allow me to record part of = my guitar performance of a song (live on scene) and play it back later on = so I can play a solo or add interesting fills while I sing. So basically I am = only concerned with one loop, but it is going to be the main instrument = track. I just bought the Boss RC 20 and I am having a little trouble with it. I = have read that it takes some practice, but my question is… Is it really possible to perform a first verse live while recording with the loop = pedal and perform the second verse with the loop? How difficult will this = be?

     

    Thanks in advance…

     

    Joshua = Morin
    Artist/Songwriter=

    Original Acoustic Rock = Music
    613.297.5962
    www.joshuamorin.com<= /font>
    joshua@joshuamorin.com<= /font>

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C60E27.526F0A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 21:29:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D9733BEE1; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:29:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051230235308.0a692148@loopers-delight.com> References: <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230235308.0a692148@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13-991047643 Message-Id: <4A7A60DC-CEA0-4918-8605-70358DD7A07F@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: midimate again, cc values Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:29:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 7f71e7d8-7a44-11da-a87f-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.45/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:29:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13-991047643 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed That does look like the right size! Thanks Kim, I'll see if I can get my hands on one. Just what I need...another piece of discontinued gear in my rig! On Dec 31, 2005, at 1:07 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > Digitech PMC-10 --Apple-Mail-13-991047643 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII That does look like the right size! Thanks Kim, I'll see if I can get my hands on one.

    Just what I need...another piece of discontinued gear in my rig!

    On Dec 31, 2005, at 1:07 AM, Kim Flint wrote:

    Digitech PMC-10


    --Apple-Mail-13-991047643-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 21:36:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E6253BEEA; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:43:11 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Looping question on usability... To: Message-id: <00d801c60e53$32715380$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C60E29.492EF520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051231212858.OETZ5216.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net@SERVER> Resent-Message-ID: <3L_Bu.A.vXD.hnvtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:36:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C60E29.492EF520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome to the list! What you want to do is very possible. Many do it already. What can become a challenge is neatly starting and stopping the = recording of your "verse" loop -- in perfect time. Practice makes = perfect. Now, you must consider the foot move you make to start/stop = your looper as something to practice, just like you once practiced = changing chords without skipping a beat. Alternatively, more expensive looping tools can be synchronized to drum = machines that send midi information about starting and stopping things = for you. Good luck! David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joshua Morin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: Looping question on usability... Hi everyone, I am new to this list since I just bought my first = looping pedal. I have a question about usability that maybe you can help = out with. =20 Often I perform solo or in a duo with two guitars and one vocal. I was = looking for a pedal that would allow me to record part of my guitar = performance of a song (live on scene) and play it back later on so I can = play a solo or add interesting fills while I sing. So basically I am = only concerned with one loop, but it is going to be the main instrument = track. I just bought the Boss RC 20 and I am having a little trouble = with it. I have read that it takes some practice, but my question is. Is = it really possible to perform a first verse live while recording with = the loop pedal and perform the second verse with the loop? How difficult = will this be? =20 Thanks in advance. =20 Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music 613.297.5962 www.joshuamorin.com joshua@joshuamorin.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C60E29.492EF520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Welcome to the list!
     
    What you want to do is very = possible.  Many do=20 it already.
     
    What can become a challenge is neatly = starting and=20 stopping the recording of your "verse" loop -- in perfect time. =20 Practice makes perfect.  Now, = you must=20 consider the foot move you make to start/stop your looper as something = to=20 practice, just like you once practiced changing chords without skipping = a=20 beat.
     
    Alternatively, more expensive looping = tools can be=20 synchronized to drum machines that send midi information about starting = and=20 stopping things for you.
     
    Good luck!
     
    David
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Joshua=20 Morin
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, December 31, = 2005 4:29=20 PM
    Subject: Looping question on=20 usability...

    Hi everyone, I am new to = this list=20 since I just bought my first looping pedal. I have a question about = usability=20 that maybe you can help out with.

     

    Often I perform solo or = in a duo=20 with two guitars and one vocal. I was looking for a pedal that would = allow me=20 to record part of my guitar performance of a song (live on scene) and = play it=20 back later on so I can play a solo or add interesting fills while I = sing. So=20 basically I am only concerned with one loop, but it is going to be the = main=20 instrument track. I just bought the Boss RC 20 and I am having a = little=20 trouble with it. I have read that it takes some practice, but my = question is=85=20 Is it really possible to perform a first verse live while recording = with the=20 loop pedal and perform the second verse with the loop? How difficult = will this=20 be?

     

    Thanks in=20 advance=85

     

    Joshua=20 Morin
    Artist/Songwriter

    Original Acoustic Rock=20 Music
    613.297.5962
    www.joshuamorin.com
    joshua@joshuamorin.com<= /FONT>

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C60E29.492EF520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 21:37:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 008763BEF7; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:37:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:44:27 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: looperlative control To: Message-id: <00db01c60e53$5fd978c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0B481FAD-DE0C-4622-A319-263AA768FC7A@steve-lawson.co.uk> <00ba01c60e47$13d91ae0$0affff0a@hppav> <26ba8d120512311226q1c6e9c8cv7ffa42c4e5162d8d@mail.gmail.com> <00c301c60e4d$9b21ebc0$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:37:42 +0000 (UTC) One more thing on a related note.... Enough (and that is an arguable and subjective quantity, to be sure) of the Looperlative's capabilities *must* be immediately usable/available so the buyer can get a feel for what is possible. If the capabilities in the Looperlative are only really accessible after programming a midi footpedal, that makes it very hard to try-out or evaluate in a store. It this happens, then the best sales tool you have is the Users Manual, which for the potential buyer becomes the only way to know what is possible. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:03 PM Subject: Re: looperlative control > Cool. We disagree. You like mucking about in midi. I don't. > > I disagree that "excellence" in footpedal design would be required. > > An EDP style footpedal (Record, Overdub...) with one more button to switch > "Loop Tracks" would widen the market for a Looperlative rackmount device a > lot. > > The alternative is to require the purchase and programming of a > midi-footpedal so you can start and stop "Record" with your feet (because > your hands are busy on an instrument or because your rack is 15 feet away). > That right there will severely limit the market for this cool new tool. > > That stated, I assume there will be no footpedal for the Looperlative. And > we can argue till the cows come home how much of a market is cut-off by > requiring the purchase and programming of a midi footpedal for the > Looperlative. > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Ritchford" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: looperlative control > > > I don't agree at all. MIDI footpedals are cheap and plentiful -- you > can just get one and plug it in the back. Excellence at looper design > doesn't imply excellence at footpedal design... I'd rather the time > was spent improving the looperlative rather than designing Yet Another > Footpedal. > > On 12/31/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > Steve - Thanks for your answer. I'm a non-midi person. I don't use > > laptops. My selfish desire is to have a EDP style footpedal (Record, > > Overdub...) with one more button to switch "Loop Tracks." That would get > me > > a lot - perhaps more than I can imagine fully using right there. > > > > And I would very humbly suggest that such a non-midi footpedal would open > > the Looperlative up to a much larger marketplace of buyers. :-) > > > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Lawson" > > To: "Loop List" > > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:57 PM > > Subject: looperlative control > > > > > > > >>>So - if I'm understanding the implications of this posting, the > > > Looperlative > > > requires a Midi interface / footpedal to operate its functions. But, > > > does > > > that mean no functions are controllable without midi?<<< > > > > > > have a look at www.looperlative.com - the picture there shows the > > > front panel, which has button control for rec/overdub, play/stop and > > > then four user programmable buttons to whatever functions you want to > > > have on them. I have mine set to 'stop now' (the play/stop button is > > > quantised to the end of the loop), 'erase', 'all stop' and, er, > > > something else I can't remember... > > > > > > you can also access all the possible operations on any one track via > > > the buttons and dial (at the moment I'm doing all my feedback control > > > via the buttons and dial), and same with all the global functions > > > (overall volume, play all, stop all, etc.) > > > > > > But in case it's what you were asking, there are no other ways to > > > connect controllers at the moment than via the MIDI port - though I > > > guess it could be possible for Bob to write some kind of ethernet > > > thingie into the controller features at some point so you could rig > > > something up via your PC. > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > Steve > > > www.stevelawson.net - site > > > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > > > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 21:50:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88E4E3BEFA; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XjSfMxCdGm5NCl4L2UPdh6IRBsoR9BkTRuccT/0An+wSTU/jdJcRjFnSg7q61Z1OlQ+3fSMvuVGd12ftQSBuyTmGiIaROYeBhZ50/9Yi5yjuWezQ8wa3ihVo5Hg7T7VDnMlrDfjl93FfC+e3sDgOaJ7fVjqn6S3rUUCFCvzFPas= ; Message-ID: <20051231215035.75447.qmail@web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:50:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <29556445.1136062457882.JavaMail.root@web29> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:50:36 +0000 (UTC) before you buy, sweetwater.com has them for $799.97 + free shipping. that's where i bought my recent (2nd) one. you can then send me the $200 you saved =P --- paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > Hi, all: > > The Echoplex Digital Pro is listed at AMS for > $999.95 and they say they're in stock. I thought it > was hard to obtain EDP's. I'm thinking about popping > for one after messing around with various other > loopers. I really miss the MIDI sync feature to > drive a percussion/drum beat and the efficient way > to create additional loops on the EDP. If Roland & > Digitech would just put a few more features in their > offerings they would have some seriously nice boxes. > > > Regards, Butch > > "Artists in any medium are nothing more than mere hooligans who cannot live within their income of admiration." - Quentin Crisp __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 22:01:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F25B3BF01; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: Looping question on usability... Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:01:34 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C60E23.79019970" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20051231212858.OETZ5216.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net@SERVER> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5i1EqC.A.1QE.1-vtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:01:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C60E23.79019970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI Joshua, It is very doable, I do it all the time. I tried the RC20 and didn't like it. Now use a Boomerang instead an find it more stage friendly (if only it was DC!!!!) It's a matter of practice, and even then, something sometimes happen you didn't count on and you have to improvise around it (or kill it!) and do so gracefully. So practice.... ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Morin [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping question on usability... Hi everyone, I am new to this list since I just bought my first looping pedal. I have a question about usability that maybe you can help out with. Often I perform solo or in a duo with two guitars and one vocal. I was looking for a pedal that would allow me to record part of my guitar performance of a song (live on scene) and play it back later on so I can play a solo or add interesting fills while I sing. So basically I am only concerned with one loop, but it is going to be the main instrument track. I just bought the Boss RC 20 and I am having a little trouble with it. I have read that it takes some practice, but my question is. Is it really possible to perform a first verse live while recording with the loop pedal and perform the second verse with the loop? How difficult will this be? Thanks in advance. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music 613.297.5962 www.joshuamorin.com joshua@joshuamorin.com ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C60E23.79019970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    HI=20 Joshua,
     
    It is=20 very doable, I do it all the time.  I tried the RC20 and didn't = like=20 it.  Now use a Boomerang instead an find it more stage friendly (if = only it=20 was DC!!!!)
     
    It's a=20 matter of practice, and even then, something sometimes happen you didn't = count=20 on and you have to improvise around it (or kill it!) and do so=20 gracefully.
     
    So=20 practice....
     
    ~peace~


    Michael
    www.michaelplishka.com<= /SPAN>
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Joshua Morin=20 [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com]
    Sent: Saturday, December 31, = 2005=20 3:29 PM
    To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject:=20 Looping question on usability...

    Hi everyone, I am new to = this list=20 since I just bought my first looping pedal. I have a question about = usability=20 that maybe you can help out with.

     

    Often I perform solo or = in a duo=20 with two guitars and one vocal. I was looking for a pedal that would = allow me=20 to record part of my guitar performance of a song (live on scene) and = play it=20 back later on so I can play a solo or add interesting fills while I = sing. So=20 basically I am only concerned with one loop, but it is going to be the = main=20 instrument track. I just bought the Boss RC 20 and I am having a = little=20 trouble with it. I have read that it takes some practice, but my = question is…=20 Is it really possible to perform a first verse live while recording = with the=20 loop pedal and perform the second verse with the loop? How difficult = will this=20 be?

     

    Thanks in=20 advance…

     

    Joshua=20 Morin
    Artist/Songwriter

    Original Acoustic Rock=20 Music
    613.297.5962
    www.joshuamorin.com
    joshua@joshuamorin.com<= /FONT>

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C60E23.79019970-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 22:12:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D92A33BEEE; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Joshua Morin" To: Subject: RE: Looping question on usability... Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:12:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C60E2D.57A13E20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcYOVcBsmX62pPqCRZi7xOMpmp/OaQAAU+mQ Message-Id: <20051231221203.KFHK14963.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@SERVER> X-Originating-IP: [0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:12:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C60E2D.57A13E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Micheal, Thanks for answering. Can you tell me what do you find more stage friendly in the Boomerang as opposed to the RC20? Thanks in advance Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music www.joshuamorin.com joshua@joshuamorin.com _____ From: Michael Plishka [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 5:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping question on usability... HI Joshua, It is very doable, I do it all the time. I tried the RC20 and didn't like it. Now use a Boomerang instead an find it more stage friendly (if only it was DC!!!!) It's a matter of practice, and even then, something sometimes happen you didn't count on and you have to improvise around it (or kill it!) and do so gracefully. So practice.... ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Morin [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping question on usability... Hi everyone, I am new to this list since I just bought my first looping pedal. I have a question about usability that maybe you can help out with. Often I perform solo or in a duo with two guitars and one vocal. I was looking for a pedal that would allow me to record part of my guitar performance of a song (live on scene) and play it back later on so I can play a solo or add interesting fills while I sing. So basically I am only concerned with one loop, but it is going to be the main instrument track. I just bought the Boss RC 20 and I am having a little trouble with it. I have read that it takes some practice, but my question is. Is it really possible to perform a first verse live while recording with the loop pedal and perform the second verse with the loop? How difficult will this be? Thanks in advance. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music 613.297.5962 www.joshuamorin.com joshua@joshuamorin.com ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C60E2D.57A13E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi Micheal, =

     

    Thanks for answering. Can you tell = me what do you find more stage friendly in the Boomerang as opposed to the = RC20?

     

    Thanks in = advance

    Joshua = Morin
    Artist/Songwriter=

    Original = Acoustic Rock Music

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    From: = Michael Plishka [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com]
    Sent: Saturday, December = 31, 2005 5:02 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: RE: Looping = question on usability...

     

    HI = Joshua,

     

    It is very doable, I do it all the time.  I tried the RC20 and didn't like it.  Now use a = Boomerang instead an find it more stage friendly (if only it was = DC!!!!)

     

    It's a matter of practice, and even = then, something sometimes happen you didn't count on and you have to improvise = around it (or kill it!) and do so gracefully.

     

    So = practice....

     

    ~peace~


    Michael

    -----Original = Message-----
    From: Joshua Morin [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com]
    Sent: Saturday, December = 31, 2005 3:29 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Looping question = on usability...

    Hi everyone, I am new to this list since I just = bought my first looping pedal. I have a question about usability that maybe you = can help out with.

     

    Often I perform solo or in a duo with two guitars and = one vocal. I was looking for a pedal that would allow me to record part of = my guitar performance of a song (live on scene) and play it back later on = so I can play a solo or add interesting fills while I sing. So basically I am = only concerned with one loop, but it is going to be the main instrument = track. I just bought the Boss RC 20 and I am having a little trouble with it. I = have read that it takes some practice, but my question is… Is it really possible to perform a first verse live while recording with the loop = pedal and perform the second verse with the loop? How difficult will this = be?

     

    Thanks in advance…

     

    Joshua = Morin
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    613.297.5962
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C60E2D.57A13E20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 22:18:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BC583BEF6; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:24:49 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... To: Message-id: <00e601c60e59$039ae980$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0E156C38-6AE0-4C25-83D0-7C090E2ED848@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Loooooong posting - two parts Part I - Might be boring, if so move diectly to Part 2 Part 1 I've just caught up with a few days of LD - and there has been a great discussion regarding how products get developed. To set a context for my comments, let me say my "day-job" has been marketing complicated software and technology for 15 years. A lot has been said already, and much of it I agree with. Let me add these (perhaps already alluded to) thoughts: New products come from new "visions, " and new "visions" tend to focus on new ideas. Without this, we would not see the innovation that has helped give us Loopers the range and choices of looping tools we have today. Successful technology products are more than a collection of features gathered together to solve some problem-set. They need to be architected to support "todays features" but also to support "planned future features." Just like with a house, you may not finish the basement, but you might put in doors, stairs and electricity in advance to prepare for when you do. At some point however, the innitial vision that launched the product becomes a somewhat "shared vision" as customers use the product in new and interesting ways. Without paying customers, most products lose funding and disappear. Additionally, a sucessful technical product will need to "grow" along paths matching the needs of customers -- or the product will be dropped when something better matching customer needs becomes available. That's why product managers seek and compile customer "Wish Lists" - desired future capabilities. Customer "Wish Lists" are a critically important way to decide where to focus limited time on new features that will benefit the most people. Striking the balance between "unique vision" and "market input" becomes critical. The market tends to focus on the "now" -- and focusing on the "now" without thinking about how things will be the future indroduces inconstitencies and quirky interfaces. I agree with Kris Hartung's idea of soliciting ideas from the greater Loopers-Delight team. It's a way to reduce the risk of the Looperlative's failure. What simple capability might have been overlooked? How much time should be dedicated to enabling which features? This is not in anyway to say Bob's vision is flawed or remis in any way. This is not to suggest Steve's dedicated and complicated work of Beta Testing the Looperlative is flawed or remis in any way. Part 2 Version 1 of many products are more "vision" oriented and less "Wish List" oriented. This is natural. When it comes time for the Looperlative to solicit a Loopers-Delight "Wish List" - (based on managing this for a company once) let me suggest a few things (and excuse my dry boring language): 1) Give the "Wish List" structure a) List potential / proposed features with descriptions of what they will enable and how they could be used; don't only use open-ended questions b) Make sure each Feature ALWAYS has a stated "Cost" in time - so customers can see trade-offs (this also forces the engineers to forcast what it'll take to develop a feature) c) Break features into "Development Effort" groups i) "Features that will take between XX and XXX units of time" ii) "Features that will take between X and XX units of time" iii) "Features that will take 0-X units of time" d) Possibly break features into "logical-sets" that go together i) "This features-bundle will together give the capability to... and costs XX units of time" e) Use one open-ended question to let customers describe *capabilities* they would like (not features). Many times the customer is unaware that desired capabilities are achievable with existing features. Also, this focuses ideas on the end results, and leave the engineering of "how to do it) to the product designers. 2) Give Customers a limited number of "Time Units" they can "spend" -- per "Development Effort Group" You want customers to understand development time is limited, and choices have to be made. This tends to drive "votes" to the quicker to develop features. Which is not always desirable. That's why I suggest giving customers a limited number of "Time Units" to spend per "Development Effort Group" (say, 30% of total in a group). That way you get votes for things across all categories. NOTE: The results of any "Wish List" process MUST be tempered with the insight and vision from the product development team. Just following desires in "Wish Lists" risks causing choppy, non-integrated product development. How far off-topic have I looped? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 22:29:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25B073BEDE; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAGyRtkOCFIU0AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051231215253.02862a60@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:29:09 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Steve's Looperlative Multiply bonanza In-Reply-To: <20051231213634.6B70F3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051231213634.6B70F3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:29:48 +0000 (UTC) At 21:36 31/12/05, you wrote: >Andy selectively quoted Steve writing about looperlative >>with it the way it is, you can do everything that rounded >>multiply does > >And Andy replied > >>>Hey Steve, it's great of you to promote Looperlative, >which is a very interesting product. >...but I think perhaps that statement is very misleading. > >Hopefully it's going to be possible to find ways of duplicating >a great many of the EDP techniques to create musical structure >using the Looperlative 8 loop architecture. However the Multiply >as you describe it is nothing like that of the EDP.<<< > >OK the half of that sentence that you cut off was "except force a >rhythm out of a glitchy loop - at the moment you can't resample >sections of one loop. that would be un-rounded in edp speak, I deliberately cut off that part of the sentence because it's not about rounded Mult. Which was what the first part of the sentence was about. ...and was what I was commenting on. Sorry that bugged you, I'm actually saying that there's plenty of EDP Multiply functionality that isn't duplicated. Some of it more basic than that particular point. >That would be a great addition." - now the bit >I'm getting mixed up with here is rounded and unrounded - whichever >one of those means using record to end the multiply to chop the whole >thing to the new length - you can get that effect whilst leaving the >ambient stuff running underneath without the glitch - which for the >integrity of the ambient stuff, is to most people a favourable >scenario to having to cut the initial loop to length - it's certainly >one of the two main reasons why I used two Echoplexes for the last >three and a half years. no question about that, very nice desirable feature But there are rather more basic questions. (as you're aware) The EDP keeps track of Cycle length as well as Loop length. So the straightforward rounded Multiply on the edp also allows to reduce the loop back to it's original length. Or to change from , say, 4 cycles to 5 cycles. The "Instant Multiply" means having to decide in advance how much the loop is extended. It doesn't allow to decide at the end of the Mult. Presumably it means that some internal parameter has to be accessed in order to set the multiplication factor. How quickly can you mult from 1 cycle to 4, then from 4 to 32 (2 different magic mult nos.) EDP Mult has alternate endings, including Undo. You can manipulated the feedback during an EDP Multiply. An EDP Multiply can be Quantised or Not, presumably Looperlative is always going to do an equivalent of Quantised. ....blah...etc. and so on, including the difference between Roundmode=On and RoundMode=OFF which is actually unconnected to Rounded/UnRounded Multiply and is probably a bit Thinking about the way Looperlative works, I don't think it's going to be at all difficult to provide that sort of functionality. ...but not using Multiply. Rather by allowing synced loops to be recorded at a length that is a Multiple of the "main" loop. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 22:31:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1ED23BEEA; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d76bmVTgmYjuXdut5MyRh/pYcZXyMHsKHTwsdwnfdGH961lfH3FK25sghfh1YY2ijMIZ1uGJ6fTUPaMJEjPEJlnaTqjZD9S5Lw3DlYJSLsDJxN4wrWmp4J0w1qrzWwalZQJEQE3Fken6aTF49k0FXeeBkrWDN0zMWZ0yJZlf5DU= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:31:18 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex In-Reply-To: <29556445.1136062457882.JavaMail.root@web29> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <29556445.1136062457882.JavaMail.root@web29> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:31:19 +0000 (UTC) The EDP has been difficult to get ahold of in the past as Gibson seems to make them in batches, but since the recent price bump they seem to have been available through mail order sources with some reliability.=20 Some Gibson dealers have also mistakenly told prospective buyers that it had been discontinued, which fostered further confusion. TravisH On 12/31/05, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > Hi, all: > > The Echoplex Digital Pro is listed at AMS for $999.95 and they say they'r= e in stock. I thought it was hard to obtain EDP's. I'm thinking about poppi= ng for one after messing around with various other loopers. I really miss t= he MIDI sync feature to drive a percussion/drum beat and the efficient way = to create additional loops on the EDP. If Roland & Digitech would just put = a few more features in their offerings they would have some seriously nice = boxes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 22:32:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 606A23BED5; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:39:28 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: looperlative control To: Message-id: <00f701c60e5b$0f618560$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0B481FAD-DE0C-4622-A319-263AA768FC7A@steve-lawson.co.uk> <00ba01c60e47$13d91ae0$0affff0a@hppav> <26ba8d120512311226q1c6e9c8cv7ffa42c4e5162d8d@mail.gmail.com> <00c301c60e4d$9b21ebc0$0affff0a@hppav> <00db01c60e53$5fd978c0$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Addendum: A training DVD, in place of a paper-based manual, would be a great selling tool. And clips posted to a website would help people see what is possible - and how to do it. If there were online video-clips showing what could be done with the EDP, I'm very sure sales of that device would be 30% higher (at least!). David ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:44 PM Subject: Re: looperlative control > One more thing on a related note.... > > Enough (and that is an arguable and subjective quantity, to be sure) of the > Looperlative's capabilities *must* be immediately usable/available so the > buyer can get a feel for what is possible. > > If the capabilities in the Looperlative are only really accessible after > programming a midi footpedal, that makes it very hard to try-out or evaluate > in a store. It this happens, then the best sales tool you have is the Users > Manual, which for the potential buyer becomes the only way to know what is > possible. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Kirkdorffer" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: looperlative control > > > > Cool. We disagree. You like mucking about in midi. I don't. > > > > I disagree that "excellence" in footpedal design would be required. > > > > An EDP style footpedal (Record, Overdub...) with one more button to switch > > "Loop Tracks" would widen the market for a Looperlative rackmount device a > > lot. > > > > The alternative is to require the purchase and programming of a > > midi-footpedal so you can start and stop "Record" with your feet (because > > your hands are busy on an instrument or because your rack is 15 feet > away). > > That right there will severely limit the market for this cool new tool. > > > > That stated, I assume there will be no footpedal for the Looperlative. > And > > we can argue till the cows come home how much of a market is cut-off by > > requiring the purchase and programming of a midi footpedal for the > > Looperlative. > > > > David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Ritchford" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:26 PM > > Subject: Re: looperlative control > > > > > > I don't agree at all. MIDI footpedals are cheap and plentiful -- you > > can just get one and plug it in the back. Excellence at looper design > > doesn't imply excellence at footpedal design... I'd rather the time > > was spent improving the looperlative rather than designing Yet Another > > Footpedal. > > > > On 12/31/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > Steve - Thanks for your answer. I'm a non-midi person. I don't use > > > laptops. My selfish desire is to have a EDP style footpedal (Record, > > > Overdub...) with one more button to switch "Loop Tracks." That would > get > > me > > > a lot - perhaps more than I can imagine fully using right there. > > > > > > And I would very humbly suggest that such a non-midi footpedal would > open > > > the Looperlative up to a much larger marketplace of buyers. :-) > > > > > > David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Steve Lawson" > > > To: "Loop List" > > > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:57 PM > > > Subject: looperlative control > > > > > > > > > > >>>So - if I'm understanding the implications of this posting, the > > > > Looperlative > > > > requires a Midi interface / footpedal to operate its functions. But, > > > > does > > > > that mean no functions are controllable without midi?<<< > > > > > > > > have a look at www.looperlative.com - the picture there shows the > > > > front panel, which has button control for rec/overdub, play/stop and > > > > then four user programmable buttons to whatever functions you want to > > > > have on them. I have mine set to 'stop now' (the play/stop button is > > > > quantised to the end of the loop), 'erase', 'all stop' and, er, > > > > something else I can't remember... > > > > > > > > you can also access all the possible operations on any one track via > > > > the buttons and dial (at the moment I'm doing all my feedback control > > > > via the buttons and dial), and same with all the global functions > > > > (overall volume, play all, stop all, etc.) > > > > > > > > But in case it's what you were asking, there are no other ways to > > > > connect controllers at the moment than via the MIDI port - though I > > > > guess it could be possible for Bob to write some kind of ethernet > > > > thingie into the controller features at some point so you could rig > > > > something up via your PC. > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > www.stevelawson.net - site > > > > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > > > > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 22:38:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80A693BEF0; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TkdbE4wsLQ8KV6xjb43kqNMWMcDePJdL38ybYKJPnOtXI3fbaWYxBkwbDFBuXdLOGAFNkqzFoP0qdZARsh1LodE8dnnsBPAOGCAlvvUibpH140nuhr1f/oLkvxyDJ67GqQ9vX00RVlGhOR7405l0DLShqgFOKs54kqP3NuZjMdE= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:38:01 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looperlative control In-Reply-To: <00ba01c60e47$13d91ae0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0B481FAD-DE0C-4622-A319-263AA768FC7A@steve-lawson.co.uk> <00ba01c60e47$13d91ae0$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: <5ZtG0C.A.gMF.LhwtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Few people dislike programming MIDI footpedals more than I do, but in this case I think it'd be better to have a MIDI controller rather than a non-MIDI proprietary one. The key is to make the looper be able to "learn" any MIDI command and map that to any controllable function.=20 So, rather than buy a large programmable controller, you could use any of the standard small MIDI foot controllers and have the looper respond to program change messages. Cheap, non-programmable MIDI foot controllers are plentiful and cheaper than the usual going price for an EFC-7, and offer more buttons. TravisH On 12/31/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Steve - Thanks for your answer. I'm a non-midi person. I don't use > laptops. My selfish desire is to have a EDP style footpedal (Record, > Overdub...) with one more button to switch "Loop Tracks." That would get= me > a lot - perhaps more than I can imagine fully using right there. > > And I would very humbly suggest that such a non-midi footpedal would open > the Looperlative up to a much larger marketplace of buyers. :-) > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Lawson" > To: "Loop List" > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:57 PM > Subject: looperlative control > > > > >>>So - if I'm understanding the implications of this posting, the > > Looperlative > > requires a Midi interface / footpedal to operate its functions. But, > > does > > that mean no functions are controllable without midi?<<< > > > > have a look at www.looperlative.com - the picture there shows the > > front panel, which has button control for rec/overdub, play/stop and > > then four user programmable buttons to whatever functions you want to > > have on them. I have mine set to 'stop now' (the play/stop button is > > quantised to the end of the loop), 'erase', 'all stop' and, er, > > something else I can't remember... > > > > you can also access all the possible operations on any one track via > > the buttons and dial (at the moment I'm doing all my feedback control > > via the buttons and dial), and same with all the global functions > > (overall volume, play all, stop all, etc.) > > > > But in case it's what you were asking, there are no other ways to > > connect controllers at the moment than via the MIDI port - though I > > guess it could be possible for Bob to write some kind of ethernet > > thingie into the controller features at some point so you could rig > > something up via your PC. > > > > cheers > > > > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 22:52:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E8903BEF0; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:59:27 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Happy New Year To: Message-id: <010b01c60e5d$da3fcec0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0B481FAD-DE0C-4622-A319-263AA768FC7A@steve-lawson.co.uk> <00ba01c60e47$13d91ae0$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: <3B8p6C.A.ucF.6uwtDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:52:43 +0000 (UTC) A new loop cycle begins... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 22:57:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60E7B3BEFE; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qEYvaiquSGv3Ht4goxPOy0D79ltjRCWbcmYlUA56Jr6FTf/QJE/aCcnUJ/tYXJn5sNHnnjkNdADehscgklXm7dyRgwC9CEiBYuybKnaCPCHOylCgntMDlhMmX8klWJzyxJFHg2W2+3ipIgkZP7NbE5/YnuGDg1qUNmV3Z5XVXQ0= Message-ID: <9e2a71240512311457l292faa07nd27567e40dbf571c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:57:49 -0600 From: Michael Pregeant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8328_14281104.1136069869359" References: <29556445.1136062457882.JavaMail.root@web29> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:57:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8328_14281104.1136069869359 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I just got an Echoplex from guitar Center.. it took three weeks for it to arrive. It was listed for 999 for me too.. but I'd buy mine from some place that has price match, print out the musician's friend artical, and take it in there and get it for 950. But it is an amazing machine.. I'm definitely satisfied with mine. On 12/31/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > The EDP has been difficult to get ahold of in the past as Gibson seems > to make them in batches, but since the recent price bump they seem to > have been available through mail order sources with some reliability. > Some Gibson dealers have also mistakenly told prospective buyers that > it had been discontinued, which fostered further confusion. > > TravisH > > On 12/31/05, paulrichard10@adelphia.net > wrote: > > Hi, all: > > > > The Echoplex Digital Pro is listed at AMS for $999.95 and they say > they're in stock. I thought it was hard to obtain EDP's. I'm thinking abo= ut > popping for one after messing around with various other loopers. I really > miss the MIDI sync feature to drive a percussion/drum beat and the effici= ent > way to create additional loops on the EDP. If Roland & Digitech would jus= t > put a few more features in their offerings they would have some seriously > nice boxes. > > -- My Journal: www.xanga.com/michaelrpregeant A bunch of the same stuff: www.myspace.com/michaelpregeant www.audiri.com/michaelpregeant www.purevolume.com/michaelpregeant ------=_Part_8328_14281104.1136069869359 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I just got an Echoplex from guitar Center.. it took three weeks for it to a= rrive. It was listed for 999 for me too.. but I'd buy mine from some place = that has price match, print out the musician's friend artical, and take it = in there and get it for 950. But it is an amazing machine.. I'm definitely = satisfied with mine.

    On 12/31/05, Travis Hartnett <travis= hartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
    The EDP has been difficult to ge= t ahold of in the past as Gibson seems
    to make them in batches, but sinc= e the recent price bump they seem to
    have been available through mail order sources with some reliability.Some Gibson dealers have also mistakenly told prospective buyers that
    = it had been discontinued, which fostered further confusion.

    TravisH

    On 12/31/05, paulrich= ard10@adelphia.net <pa= ulrichard10@adelphia.net> wrote:
    >  Hi, all:
    >=
    > The Echoplex Digital Pro is listed at AMS for $999.95 and they say= they're in stock. I thought it was hard to obtain EDP's. I'm thinking abou= t popping for one after messing around with various other loopers. I really= miss the MIDI sync feature to drive a percussion/drum beat and the efficie= nt way to create additional loops on the EDP. If Roland & Digitech woul= d just put a few more features in their offerings they would have some seri= ously nice boxes.




    --
    My Journal:
    = www.xanga.com/michaelrpre= geant

    A bunch of the same stuff:
    www.myspace.com/michaelpregeant
    www.audiri.com/michaelpregeant
    www.purevolume.com/michaelpregeant=20 ------=_Part_8328_14281104.1136069869359-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 23:05:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 068933BEE4; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: Looping question on usability... Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:05:10 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C60E2C.5B798BC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20051231221203.KFHK14963.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@SERVER> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:05:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C60E2C.5B798BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joshua, I like d the fact that the boomerang has everything, relatively speaking, in one foot control. The fact that it's nicely spaced out, has the ability for two loops, A & B. It allows switching to reverse on the fly. Also like the fact that it can be set up to fade a loop out as opposed to stop abruptly. Now the RC20 does all of that in some form or other but requires additional pedals and I was thinking if I plunked down the money for afoot controller, I shouldn't have to invest in multiple pedals to do one pedal's work. So I went Boomerang. I like the fact that the Boomerang seems less "exact" in some ways. It's not looking for me to start playing it's not trying to figure out how many beats to a measure, since I don't midi I really don't care. I go by feel on stage or by counting out my own measures. Again, the Boss will allow you to do this, it just isn't as straightforward. I found myself bending over a lot more with the RC20 than with the boomerang, but then I never invested in the other pedals. If you've got the RC20 and are getting proficient, then stick with it. There are cool things with the memory that the Rang doesn't do. But when I sat in my studio and tried them both, for whatever reason, the Rang and I were on better terms right off the bat and making beautiful music together. Not that we don;t have our arguments once in a while, but it's in the wiring you know? ~peace~ Michael -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Morin [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping question on usability... Hi Micheal, Thanks for answering. Can you tell me what do you find more stage friendly in the Boomerang as opposed to the RC20? Thanks in advance Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music www.joshuamorin.com joshua@joshuamorin.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: Michael Plishka [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 5:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping question on usability... HI Joshua, It is very doable, I do it all the time. I tried the RC20 and didn't like it. Now use a Boomerang instead an find it more stage friendly (if only it was DC!!!!) It's a matter of practice, and even then, something sometimes happen you didn't count on and you have to improvise around it (or kill it!) and do so gracefully. So practice.... ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Morin [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping question on usability... Hi everyone, I am new to this list since I just bought my first looping pedal. I have a question about usability that maybe you can help out with. Often I perform solo or in a duo with two guitars and one vocal. I was looking for a pedal that would allow me to record part of my guitar performance of a song (live on scene) and play it back later on so I can play a solo or add interesting fills while I sing. So basically I am only concerned with one loop, but it is going to be the main instrument track. I just bought the Boss RC 20 and I am having a little trouble with it. I have read that it takes some practice, but my question is. Is it really possible to perform a first verse live while recording with the loop pedal and perform the second verse with the loop? How difficult will this be? Thanks in advance. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music 613.297.5962 www.joshuamorin.com joshua@joshuamorin.com ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C60E2C.5B798BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Joshua,
     
    I like=20 d the fact that the boomerang has everything, relatively speaking, in = one foot=20 control.  The fact that it's nicely spaced out, has the ability for = two=20 loops, A & B.  It allows switching to reverse on the fly. Also = like the=20 fact that it can be set up to fade a loop out as opposed to stop = abruptly. =20 Now the RC20 does all of that in some form or other but requires = additional=20 pedals and I was thinking if I plunked down the money for  afoot=20 controller, I shouldn't have to invest in multiple pedals to do one = pedal's=20 work.  So I went Boomerang.  I like the fact that the = Boomerang seems=20 less "exact" in some ways.  It's not looking for me to start = playing it's=20 not trying to figure out how many beats to a measure, since I don't midi = I=20 really don't care.  I go by feel on stage or by counting out my own = measures.  Again, the Boss will allow you to do this, it just isn't = as=20 straightforward.  I found myself bending over a lot more with the = RC20 than=20 with the boomerang, but then I never invested in the other=20 pedals.
     
    If=20 you've got the RC20 and are getting proficient, then stick with = it. =20 There are cool things with the memory that the Rang doesn't do.  = But when I=20 sat in my studio and tried them both, for whatever reason, the Rang and = I were=20 on better terms right off the bat and making beautiful music = together.  Not=20 that we don;t have our arguments once in a while, but it's in the wiring = you=20 know?
     
    ~peace~
     
    Michael
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Joshua Morin=20 [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com]
    Sent: Saturday, December 31, = 2005=20 4:12 PM
    To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject:=20 RE: Looping question on usability...

    Hi Micheal, =

     

    Thanks for = answering.=20 Can you tell me what do you find more stage friendly in the Boomerang = as=20 opposed to the RC20?

     

    Thanks in=20 advance

    Joshua=20 Morin 
    Artist/Songwriter

    Original = Acoustic=20 Rock Music

    www.joshuamorin.com
    joshua@joshuamorin.com<= /FONT>

    From: Michael=20 Plishka [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com]
    Sent:     Saturday, December 31, = 2005 5:02=20 PM
    To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: RE: Looping question = on=20 usability...

     

    HI=20 Joshua,

     

    It is very = doable, I=20 do it all the time.  I tried the RC20 and didn't like it.  = Now use a=20 Boomerang instead an find it more stage friendly (if only it was=20 DC!!!!)

     

    It's a = matter of=20 practice, and even then, something sometimes happen you didn't count = on and=20 you have to improvise around it (or kill it!) and do so=20 gracefully.

     

    So=20 practice....

     

    ~peace~


    Michael

    www.michaelplishka.com<= /FONT>

    -----Original=20 Message-----
    From: Joshua=20 Morin [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com]
    Sent:     Saturday, December 31, = 2005 3:29=20 PM
    To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Looping question on=20 usability...

    Hi everyone, I am new = to this=20 list since I just bought my first looping pedal. I have a question = about=20 usability that maybe you can help out = with.

     

    Often I perform solo = or in a duo=20 with two guitars and one vocal. I was looking for a pedal that would = allow=20 me to record part of my guitar performance of a song (live on scene) = and=20 play it back later on so I can play a solo or add interesting fills = while I=20 sing. So basically I am only concerned with one loop, but it is = going to be=20 the main instrument track. I just bought the Boss RC 20 and I am = having a=20 little trouble with it. I have read that it takes some practice, but = my=20 question is… Is it really possible to perform a first verse = live while=20 recording with the loop pedal and perform the second verse with the = loop?=20 How difficult will this be?

     

    Thanks in=20 advance…

     

    Joshua=20 Morin
    Artist/Songwriter

    Original Acoustic = Rock=20 Music
    613.297.5962
    www.joshuamorin.com
    joshua@joshuamorin.com<= /FONT>

     

    = ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C60E2C.5B798BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 31 23:52:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5510A3BED6; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06bd01c60e65$39c9cc90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <0E156C38-6AE0-4C25-83D0-7C090E2ED848@steve-lawson.co.uk> <00e601c60e59$039ae980$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:52:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 429, in=203374, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:52:18 +0000 (UTC) I like it, David. One thing...do you also get exposure to the marketing task of prioritizing features and needs, like L, M, H, or Want, Must, Good To Have, Nice to Have, etc? I've seen this a lot as well, which also helps decide which features are incorporated, in addition to the development time, cost, etc, which you outline below. Maybe that was in your part 3. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... > Loooooong posting - two parts > > Part I - Might be boring, if so move diectly to Part 2 > > > Part 1 > > I've just caught up with a few days of LD - and there has been a great > discussion regarding how products get developed. To set a context for my > comments, let me say my "day-job" has been marketing complicated software > and technology for 15 years. > > A lot has been said already, and much of it I agree with. Let me add these > (perhaps already alluded to) thoughts: > > New products come from new "visions, " and new "visions" tend to focus on > new ideas. Without this, we would not see the innovation that has helped > give us Loopers the range and choices of looping tools we have today. > > Successful technology products are more than a collection of features > gathered together to solve some problem-set. They need to be architected to > support "todays features" but also to support "planned future features." > Just like with a house, you may not finish the basement, but you might put > in doors, stairs and electricity in advance to prepare for when you do. > > At some point however, the innitial vision that launched the product becomes > a somewhat "shared vision" as customers use the product in new and > interesting ways. Without paying customers, most products lose funding and > disappear. Additionally, a sucessful technical product will need to "grow" > along paths matching the needs of customers -- or the product will be > dropped when something better matching customer needs becomes available. > That's why product managers seek and compile customer "Wish Lists" - desired > future capabilities. Customer "Wish Lists" are a critically important way > to decide where to focus limited time on new features that will benefit the > most people. > > Striking the balance between "unique vision" and "market input" becomes > critical. The market tends to focus on the "now" -- and focusing on the > "now" without thinking about how things will be the future indroduces > inconstitencies and quirky interfaces. > > I agree with Kris Hartung's idea of soliciting ideas from the greater > Loopers-Delight team. It's a way to reduce the risk of the Looperlative's > failure. What simple capability might have been overlooked? How much time > should be dedicated to enabling which features? > > This is not in anyway to say Bob's vision is flawed or remis in any way. > This is not to suggest Steve's dedicated and complicated work of Beta > Testing the Looperlative is flawed or remis in any way. > > > Part 2 > > Version 1 of many products are more "vision" oriented and less "Wish List" > oriented. This is natural. > > When it comes time for the Looperlative to solicit a Loopers-Delight "Wish > List" - (based on managing this for a company once) let me suggest a few > things (and excuse my dry boring language): > > 1) Give the "Wish List" structure > > a) List potential / proposed features with descriptions of what they will > enable and how they could be used; don't only use open-ended questions > > b) Make sure each Feature ALWAYS has a stated "Cost" in time - so customers > can see trade-offs > (this also forces the engineers to forcast what it'll take to develop a > feature) > > c) Break features into "Development Effort" groups > i) "Features that will take between XX and XXX units of time" > ii) "Features that will take between X and XX units of time" > iii) "Features that will take 0-X units of time" > > d) Possibly break features into "logical-sets" that go together > i) "This features-bundle will together give the capability to... and > costs XX units of time" > > e) Use one open-ended question to let customers describe *capabilities* they > would like (not features). Many times the customer is unaware that desired > capabilities are achievable with existing features. > Also, this focuses ideas on the end results, and leave the engineering of > "how to do it) to the product designers. > > > 2) Give Customers a limited number of "Time Units" they can "spend" -- per > "Development Effort Group" > > You want customers to understand development time is limited, and choices > have to be made. > > This tends to drive "votes" to the quicker to develop features. Which is > not always desirable. That's why I suggest giving customers a limited > number of "Time Units" to spend per "Development Effort Group" (say, 30% of > total in a group). That way you get votes for things across all categories. > > > NOTE: The results of any "Wish List" process MUST be tempered with the > insight and vision from the product development team. Just following > desires in "Wish Lists" risks causing choppy, non-integrated product > development. > > > How far off-topic have I looped? > > David > >

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
    Sent: Thursday, December 08, = 2005=20 12:45 PM
    To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject:=20 Re: The MRI and Looping: For Ambient & Experimental=20 Music?

    FYI: from http://ucdirc.ucdavis.edu/facilities/index.php (see excerpt below). This machine looks = exactly like=20 the one I was in. Article discusses audio capturing = techniques.
     
    This URL has a sound clip of the MRI = scan: http://ww= w.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/chap-13.htm
     
    Direct Link to wav file: http:= //www.cis.rit.edu/htbooks/mri/chap-13/sounds/se-1.wav (it=20 is only one of many of the sounds...probably the most uninspiring in = my=20 opinion).  There must be more of these on the web = somewhere.
     
    Kris

    Auditory System: Auditory stimuli are = presented=20 during scanning via a high-fidelity system designed for the MR = environment (MR=20 confon GmbH, 39118 Magdeburg, Germany). The headphones contain = electrostatic=20 transducers for a broad, flat frequency response and = construction-grade Peltor=20 earmuffs for passive damping of gradient noise. By using electrostatic = rather=20 than pneumatic transduction, this system produces sound quality = comparable to=20 a home stereo, with 88dB signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) and high channel=20 separation. During a functional MRI scanning session, sounds can be = presented=20 at detection-threshold levels between "sparse" acquisitions or at=20 conversational levels (approx. 75-80 dB) during continuous scanning. = Active=20 Noise Cancellation (ANC) in the headphones will further reduce the = gradient=20 noise and create a quieter environment for subjects. ANC is under = final=20 pre-release testing at MR-Confon, and the UC Davis IRC will be one of = the=20 first centers to use ANC in fMRI research. For communication = from the=20 subject, the subject's voice is transmitted to the scan operator via = Phone-OR,=20 an MR-compatible, optical microphone mounted on the headphones = (Magmedix,=20 Inc., Fitchburg, MA, 01420). This microphone system = suppresses=20 gradient noise from the transmitted audio signal, using both simple=20 subtraction and advanced algorithms based on speech-recognition. = Combined with=20 the MR confon system, extremely clear bidirectional (subject to/from = operator)=20 communication is possible during scanning to provide excellent audio = SNR for=20 voice-key applications.

     

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Legion" <legion@helpwantedproductions.com>
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 = 9:05=20 PM
    Subject: RE: The MRI and Looping: For = Ambient=20 & Experimental Music?

    >
    > Ok I have only read some of this thread but = FWIW two=20 years ago I underwent
    > some back surgery and had a few MRIs. I = was able=20 to record one of them on
    > a small handheld mini cassette which = the=20 technician graciously allowed to
    > sit on his desk outside the = actual=20 room of the MRI. He DID look at me
    > rather funny when I asked = him if I=20 could record the sounds but after a
    > brief discussion he = agreed. I=20 suppose they see weirder folks.
    >
    > So, the point is if = you don't=20 ask you can't get it. I have been working
    > with the source = material I=20 got for some time now and I have to agree with
    > all the = comments of how=20 it is rhythmical, ambient, industrial, etc. In my
    > experience = in=20 environmental sound there is nothing quite like it.
    >
    > = FWIW I=20 am only familiar with the enclosed MRIs. there are not "open" = MRIs
    >=20 which I would imagine sound quite different.
    >
    > = D_
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