From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 1 01:46:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71F643BFC9; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 01:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=o6SjvVZiom6KnyJAHRY5T5Gz1AexyU0jwlFMy3jimSpVosKJHDlsjzAxue3/y2Uz; Message-ID: <410-2200575115217830@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:52:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f1520943767455a59901ced1e7cb3e39350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.150.174 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 01:46:39 +0000 (UTC) I like your ideas, Kris... call it Perry Mecium and the Amoebae! Sonic Luv, Tim P.S.--David, your piece sounds intriguing...probably kinda like Adrian Belew's insectoid sounds on the Lone Rhino LP. > [Original Message] > From: Hartung, Kris > To: > Date: 6/29/2005 2:21:25 AM > Subject: RE: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? > > Where is the song, David? It isn't on your download.com page. I > wouldn't mind checking it out. > > I have no doubt many people have incorporated insect sounds into their > music, or even made them the feature. I have even heard of folks > sampling all sorts of insects, and them using them as their sound canvas > with a MIDI controller keyboard, etc....what I really wonder is if > someone has used live insects in a live performance setting. It would be > like me bringing my USB enabled microscope, and showing real protozoa > and amoebae on an overhead projector while I was playing...damn, I wish > I could afford to do that....I'm burning to loop to the video of my DVD > "Microscopic Horrors". > > Imagine seeing creeping stuff like this, at a live performance, while > listening to weird, experimental and avant-garde music: > > http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Microcosmic_Zoo.wmv > > OR > > http://zed.cbc.ca/go?POS=11&CONTENT_ID=164375&c=contentPage&FILTER_KEY=3 > 670 > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:48 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? > > K - > > You know it's been done... I have a piece called Insekta that I do > (and > also on UN) that sounds a bit like a pile of insects all chatting among > themselves. > > David > UNDO - Ambient Looping Live > http://music.download.com/undo/3600-8357_32-100333286.html?tag=listing_s > ong_artist > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hartung, Kris" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:57 PM > Subject: Doug's gratuitous introspective.... / Live Insect Looping? > > > And now you've learned to how to appease a group of irritable, > hair-splitting, obsessive-compulsive SOBs who like everything detailed > and analyzed down to a gnat's ass. :) Yep, looks like you've got your > money's worth with the looping technology. Learning is always a good > thing in my mind....and un-learning sometimes equally as important! > [explanation intentionally left out] > > BTW, I have personally specified the width of a gnat's ass, and I have a > small image to illustrate if anyone is interested.... Heh heh....it's an > old work joke with some engineers, but I do have it and can send on > request to provide hours of amusement. > > ...speaking of which, has anyone looped live insects? For instance, it > would be interesting to have several small glass jars (one inch by inch > approx) with some sort of noise making insect in each jar, and a small > condenser mic in each as well. You could have bees, those hissing > beetles, mosquitoes, and I'm sure there are is a whole micro-menagerie > of insects that make interesting sounds. Then you could apply all sorts > of effects on each one. What maniacal lunatic out there has already > done this? :) Imagine a hissing beetle looped and blasting loud with a > filter and octavizor on it....etc. > > K- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net ] > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:34 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Doug's gratuitous introspective comment / a band video w/ > basic looping > > Thanks to all for an attempt at translating my comment :) > > What I mean is: > - I've learned to take control of my loops (vs. letting them own the > tempo) via things like loop restart, truncating loops, and loop > windowing > - I've learned to listen much more deeply than I ever have before (note: > I've been playing in various types of bands since I was a teen, I'm 40 > now) > - The band is not playing to a click, and there's no MIDI synching, etc > - I've learned to work the feedback and loop volume parameters in a way > that now feels as natural as working the knobs on my guitar > - I've learned how to make loops "fit" in a band context - better at > thinking ahead melodically so that my loops fit across the changes > - I've learned how to communicate what I'm doing loop-wise with the > band, and how to incorporate looping into our collective thought process > and jamming > - I've learned to show up 15 mins early and do a looping warmup along > with my regular warmup :) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 1 03:41:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 392183BFE3; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 03:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p8qhEjEGegBw1bGvZUEjovN1k0K9Nf46AI27VT243cyfxWEYoz5fiQxfFz4RijUvrZ9NiqXWvLGLph4LE6hbXeqGkXDCXi+o2EmTS2i7dLWfxE5g2UzR6v1uN1lR3rtdb9a8hvSSC5+F29kgBA5t8m4JmjKr2FD6jYxpN08aQ2w= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:41:53 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig tonight - NYC In-Reply-To: <12393858.1120174300620.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <12393858.1120174300620.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 03:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Uh, what's an example of a higher-tech than Kyma solution? On 6/30/05, nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote: >=20 > >Featuring, of course, lots of live looping/processing (that's why the > >post - hey?) using kyma and various other lower-tech solutions .. looped > >vocals, cello, drums, keys ... should be fun. > > > >Love, > > > >Lucibel >=20 > do it!.....if it ain't fun.....what's fun?.....mic....."who is no longer = a > slave to AOL and their damn HTML maddness.....now i will no longer visual= ly > offend some of my brothers and sisters out there.....to be clean, oh to b= e > clean!" >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 1 06:50:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47D763BFED; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 06:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:50:18 -0700 Subject: Seattle Gig Spam: Cross Pollination : Ffej Vs SS and Tableland V.s Intonarumor NEXT THURSDAY From: Kevin Goldsmith To: sonicabal , seattlenoise list , Loopers Delight , "pnw-imp-mu@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3203020221_274737" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 06:50:25 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3203020221_274737 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thur. July 7th Backwards Records presents... Cross-Pollination featuring Tableland vs. Intonarumori and Ffej vs. Syphilis Sauna El Corazon 109 Eastlake Ave E. Seattle, WA $5, Doors at 9:00 PM, 21+ Cross Pollination features sets by live musical artists followed by live remixes by select electronic sound artists. "Tableland is a guitar based instrumental, ambient, psychedelic sound group based out of Seattle. Through a wash of slide and movie projector imagery, the band weaves melodic soundscapes utilizing instruments, gadgetry, samples, loops and grooves, evoking an intense, moody atmosphere wherever they perform. Plus sometimes their stomachs hurt.." http://www.tableland.org "Intonarumori delivers experimental electronic ambiences using Cello, Bass and electronic manipulations." http://www.intonarumori.com "Ffej is a musical renegade. He plays analog synthesizer like an apocalyptic mistral. His rhythms are designed as if with clockwork and gunpowder and he sings like that thing that lived under your childhood bed. And when the car alarms outside start playing along, he dances like a coffee bean let loose on a runaway bus." http://www.ffejsite.com "Syphilis Sauna is the solo-project of Patrick Urn. Using a variety of homemade/store bought devices Syphilis Sauna builds and eclectic array of sounds and and textures. One of the main focuses of Syphilis Sauna is the performance aspect that many feel has for the most part has been left out of electronic music. to solve this problem SS builds instruments that incorporate light and movement in order to emphasize the sounds being made to the audience.. S.S's other main focus is collaborating with other musicians, film makers and actors on live sets that are a visual spectacle as well as a collage of tones, hurting machines, peusdo rhythms and samples.)" http://www.backwardsrecords.com --B_3203020221_274737 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Seattle Gig Spam: Cross Pollination : Ffej Vs SS and Tableland V.s I= ntonarumor NEXT THURSDAY Thur.= July 7th

Backwards Records presents...
Cross-Pollination
featuring
Tableland vs. Intonarumori
and
Ffej vs. Syphilis Sauna
El Corazon
109 Eastlake Ave E. Seattle, WA
$5, Doors at 9:00 PM, 21+
Cross Pollination features sets by live musical artists followed
by live
remixes by select electronic sound artists.

"Tableland is a guitar based instrumental, ambient, psychedelic
sound group
based out of Seattle. Through a wash of slide and movie
projector imagery,
the band weaves melodic soundscapes utilizing instruments,
gadgetry,
samples, loops and grooves, evoking an intense, moody atmosphere
wherever
they perform. Plus sometimes their stomachs hurt.."
http://www.tablela= nd.org

"Intonarumori delivers experimental electronic ambiences using
Cello, Bass
and electronic manipulations."
http://www.into= narumori.com

"Ffej is a musical renegade. He plays analog synthesizer like an
apocalyptic
mistral. His rhythms are designed as if with clockwork and
gunpowder and he
sings like that thing that lived under your childhood bed. And
when the car
alarms outside start playing along, he dances like a coffee bean
let loose
on a runaway bus."
http://www.ffejsite= .com

"Syphilis Sauna is the solo-project of Patrick Urn. Using a
variety of
homemade/store bought devices Syphilis Sauna builds and eclectic
array of
sounds and and textures. One of the main focuses of Syphilis
Sauna is the
performance aspect that many feel has for the most part has been
left out of
electronic music. to solve this problem SS builds instruments
that
incorporate light and movement in order to emphasize the sounds
being made
to the audience.. S.S's other main focus is collaborating with
other
musicians, film makers and actors on live sets that are a visual
spectacle
as well as a collage of tones, hurting machines, peusdo rhythms
and
samples.)"
http://www.= backwardsrecords.com
 --B_3203020221_274737-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 1 13:42:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97DB13C017; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42C54835.8090307@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:42:13 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Hyperreal List , Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , "ampfea.org music-bar" Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #432 for June 30, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, Due to a corrupted registry, my PC lost its address book. I'm slowly refilling it but a lot of data is lost forever until I get email from the missing people. Rest assured, all playlists that weren't emailed out over the past two weeks or so are at the Galactic Travels website. If you notice anyone complaining that they no longer hear from me, just tell them to send me email so we can regain contact. Thanks! http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050630.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #432 June 30, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on UK emusician Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight was "If the World Were Turned On Its Head, We Would Walk Among the Stars" on AMP Records, released in 2005. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Aguirre" by Popol Vuh on Ohr Musik, released in 1976. Mark Jenkins - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jun PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Popol Vuh Aguirre I Aguirre (Ohr) Kraftwerk The Man Machine Minimum - Maximum (Astralwerks) Conrad Schnitzler and 04. Mi.T. - CON 04 (none) Michael Thomas Roe TouchXtone Computational Error Astroboy (none) Binar The Cosmic Void Project Poltergeist (NeuHarmony) Remote Spaces Infrared Part 1 Silos (none) Patrick O'Hearn I Could Live Here Slow Time (none) 12:00 am Mark Jenkins If the World Were Turned If the World Were Turned On Its On Its Head, We Would Head, We Would Walk Among the Walk Among the Stars Stars (AMP) Mark Jenkins I Have Known the Void ItWWTOIH,WWWAtS (AMP) Mark Jenkins Nutty Puppet Mayhem ItWWTOIH,WWWAtS (AMP) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on the music-bar mailing list. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Navisto - The Flute Sessions" which is a unique CDR provided exclusively to Galactic Travels. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Paradise" by Robert Schroder on Racket Records, released in 1983. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/rss/EMUSIC.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 1 14:13:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55CE23C019; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1120227201!22579921!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE013F3E8E@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: definitive list of every looper I've ever used Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:14:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57E47.43FF26A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:13:25 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57E47.43FF26A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" (maybe that's a better heading, or more interesting/useful topic...) I've probably mentioned this before, but back in 1978-9, the only effect we had in our tiny attic studio was tape delay. to achieve the length of delay we wanted would've meant running the three-head deck slower than we otter, given that it was also the master recorder. so I put a spare play-only deck next to it..... the effect we wanted (& got!) was a discrete layering rather than a repeat echo. we didn't know anyone else had already done it. natural born loopers. I think what prompted this was watching the tape-loop go around on a borrowed wem copicat, & wondering if the owner would mind if I moved all the heads along so that one of the replay heads would be where the record head should be. by this time, we'd discovered that the copicat's permanent magnet erase head could be removed. anyway, none of this had anything to do with robert fripp, whose rig I did not know about until 1980. by this time, we were old hands at the two-deck thing. I have used ferrograph tube decks, revoxes, even uher portables. for lack of a sequencer or any form of multitracking, I took to cutting recorded keyboard phrases into loops, then playing them off into another deck & editing the results. we used loops like this in the context of a live rock band too, either with these phrases (one on each of two tracks), sustained chords or sound effects. fast-forwarding a bit, my first sampler was the mighty powertran mcs-1. built from a kit, 8-bit with dbx, & a huge 64k of ram, which could be backed up onto floppy with the aid of a bbc microcomputer. then came a boss 1/2 rack delay which had a f/sw socket on the back for freezing the contents of it's memory. I tried cutting loops of tape to use in my mellotron..... eventually, I managed to get my guitarist to try the mcs-1.... we got the delay length adjusted so his guitar phrase would loop around in time with the sequencers (this is all free-running), but he had to use the "unfreeze" footswitch & rerecord his part whenever it began to drift. we still use the thing- I have two of them. but we couldn't rely on this, & so I started looking around for something we could sync up. no-one could be persuaded to part with a bel bd-80 delay, with it's triggered repeat function.... this would be early 1995... & the jam-man was just new on the market in the UK. we bought one right away. a few years later, I bought the last one in the UK, & expanded them both. my guitarist won't go anywhere without his. then came the repeater..... the full list of solid-state loopers (i.e. no tape decks): 2 x jam-man 2 x DL4 1 x vortex 2 x repeater 1 x headrush 1 x EH 16sec reissue 1 x DOD dimension 12 1 x boss rps-10 (the 1/2 rack pitch-shift/delay) 2 x powertran mcs-1 various boss digital delay pedals I think that's the lot. :-) duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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(maybe that's a better heading, or more interesting/usefu= l topic...)

I've probably mentioned this before, but back in 1978-9, = the only effect we had in our tiny attic studio was tape delay. to achieve = the length of delay we wanted would've meant running the three-head deck sl= ower than we otter, given that it was also the master recorder. so I put a = spare play-only deck next to it..... the effect we wanted (& got!) was = a discrete layering rather than a repeat echo. we didn't know anyone else h= ad already done it. natural born loopers.

I think what prompted this was watching the tape-loop go = around on a borrowed wem copicat, & wondering if the owner would mind i= f I moved all the heads along so that one of the replay heads would be wher= e the record head should be. by this time, we'd discovered that the copicat= 's permanent magnet erase head could be removed.

anyway, none of this had anything to do with robert fripp= , whose rig I did not know about until 1980. by this time, we were old hand= s at the two-deck thing. I have used ferrograph tube decks, revoxes, even u= her portables.

for lack of a sequencer or any form of multitracking, I t= ook to cutting recorded keyboard phrases into loops, then playing them off = into another deck & editing the results. we used loops like this in the= context of a live rock band too, either with these phrases (one on each of= two tracks), sustained chords or sound effects.

fast-forwarding a bit, my first sampler was the mighty po= wertran mcs-1. built from a kit, 8-bit with dbx, & a huge 64k of ram, w= hich could be backed up onto floppy with the aid of a bbc microcomputer.

then came a boss 1/2 rack delay which had a f/sw socket o= n the back for freezing the contents of it's memory.

I tried cutting loops of tape to use in my mellotron.....=

eventually, I managed to get my guitarist to try the mcs-= 1.... we got the delay length adjusted so his guitar phrase would loop arou= nd in time with the sequencers (this is all free-running), but he had to us= e the "unfreeze" footswitch & rerecord his part whenever it b= egan to drift. we still use the thing- I have two of them.

but we couldn't rely on this, & so I started looking = around for something we could sync up. no-one could be persuaded to part wi= th a bel bd-80 delay, with it's triggered repeat function.... this would be= early 1995... & the jam-man was just new on the market in the UK. we b= ought one right away.

a few years later, I bought the last one in the UK, &= expanded them both. my guitarist won't go anywhere without his.

then came the repeater.....

the full list of solid-state loopers (i.e. no tape decks)= :
2 x jam-man
2 x DL4
1 x vortex
2 x repeater
1 x headrush
1 x EH 16sec reissue
1 x DOD dimension 12
1 x boss rps-10 (the 1/2 rack pitch-shift/delay)
2 x powertran mcs-1
various boss digital delay pedals

I think that's the lot. :-)

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C57E47.43FF26A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 1 15:48:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 571E53C01B; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <75C5860E5CD41F41BB071765EBE3A86C1CFFA2@NSEXCHANGE> From: clay@ec-connection.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repair Jam Man Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:46:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C57E54.1E2C75B0"; type="multipart/alternative" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:48:15 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C57E54.1E2C75B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C57E54.1E2C75B0" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57E54.1E2C75B0 Content-Type: text/plain Anyone know of a place that repairs Lexicon JamMen? Mine powers up but then immediately powers back down. Any ideas on that? Thanks! ------_=_NextPart_001_01C57E54.1E2C75B0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Anyone = know of a place that repairs Lexicon JamMen?  Mine powers up but then = immediately powers back down.  Any = ideas on that?  = Thanks!

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name="image012.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="image012.gif" Content-ID: R0lGODlhAQAtAHcAMSH+GlNvZnR3YXJlOiBNaWNyb3NvZnQgT2ZmaWNlACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAAB AAEAgAAAAAECAwICRAEAOw== ------_=_NextPart_000_01C57E54.1E2C75B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 1 15:52:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DADD3C020; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <75C5860E5CD41F41BB071765EBE3A86C1CFFA2@NSEXCHANGE> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: repair Jam Man Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:52:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2005 15:52:36.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6A7B3B0:01C57E54] Resent-Message-ID: <-XRA8D.A.v-.GbWxCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Maybe this guy... FYI, he does those PCM42 mods as well http://www.jimfabiano.com/ Cheers Lou >From: clay@ec-connection.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: repair Jam Man >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:46:59 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anyone know of a place that repairs Lexicon JamMen? Mine powers up but >then >immediately powers back down. Any ideas on that? Thanks! > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 1 16:13:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2526A3C01E; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,250,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="54098992:sNHT54121940" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:11:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: RE: repair Jam Man Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:13:23 +0000 (UTC) "Bob Sellon" At 11:52 AM -0400 7/1/05, Louis Rossi wrote: >Maybe this guy... FYI, he does those PCM42 mods as well > >http://www.jimfabiano.com/ > >Cheers >Lou > >>From: clay@ec-connection.com >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: repair Jam Man >>Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:46:59 -0500 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Anyone know of a place that repairs Lexicon JamMen? Mine powers up but then >>immediately powers back down. Any ideas on that? Thanks! -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 1 16:17:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7DED3C017; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fFswRKT5s5oITO7UusUwQU2mhz5wX1YtZBpYEPaDJ1yHUFxphGFJ3qIAi0MTNuPfK7/GrkH0i8viIAVUY5n5EtILmytDO6jBW26vEiOqwTeGMFXDi0fWeYKjkUkcAhkq45DT4CyxeRpMysWlD9F5/63ytCjIijhhWuCbPViJk3g= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:17:37 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repair Jam Man In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Did Lexicon stop? They used to have a flat rate repair fee for disconintinued products, something around $100 as I recall. BTW, have you tried swapping out the power supply? That and the rotary encoder seemed to be the weak links in that entire generation of Lex products. On 7/1/05, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > "Bob Sellon" >=20 > At 11:52 AM -0400 7/1/05, Louis Rossi wrote: > >Maybe this guy... FYI, he does those PCM42 mods as well > > > >http://www.jimfabiano.com/ > > > >Cheers > >Lou > > > >>From: clay@ec-connection.com > >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>Subject: repair Jam Man > >>Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:46:59 -0500 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Anyone know of a place that repairs Lexicon JamMen? Mine powers up but= then > >>immediately powers back down. Any ideas on that? Thanks! >=20 >=20 > -- >=20 > "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two > opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the > ability to function." >=20 > F. Scott Fitzgerald >=20 > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at > http://www.foryourhead.com >=20 > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 2 01:35:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C181F3BF64; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 01:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GIDruq6i0++e6SaFfMQj+zKXjxEyoL4BWVLQuq8Ji8YKKNB8m0a3yY/nzxjwJ3jM; Message-ID: <410-220057621416590@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: definitive list of every looper I've ever used Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:41:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94006fbb74a7c973a0ad68d16ffb3640e43350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.160.52 Resent-Message-ID: <5dhksB.A.LsB.f9exCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 01:35:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII GREAT LETTER! ~tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/1/2005 10:13:25 AM Subject: RE: definitive list of every looper I've ever used (maybe that's a better heading, or more interesting/useful topic...) I've probably mentioned this before, but back in 1978-9, the only effect we had in our tiny attic studio was tape delay. to achieve the length of delay we wanted would've meant running the three-head deck slower than we otter, given that it was also the master recorder. so I put a spare play-only deck next to it..... the effect we wanted (& got!) was a discrete layering rather than a repeat echo. we didn't know anyone else had already done it. natural born loopers. I think what prompted this was watching the tape-loop go around on a borrowed wem copicat, & wondering if the owner would mind if I moved all the heads along so that one of the replay heads would be where the record head should be. by this time, we'd discovered that the copicat's permanent magnet erase head could be removed. anyway, none of this had anything to do with robert fripp, whose rig I did not know about until 1980. by this time, we were old hands at the two-deck thing. I have used ferrograph tube decks, revoxes, even uher portables. for lack of a sequencer or any form of multitracking, I took to cutting recorded keyboard phrases into loops, then playing them off into another deck & editing the results. we used loops like this in the context of a live rock band too, either with these phrases (one on each of two tracks), sustained chords or sound effects. fast-forwarding a bit, my first sampler was the mighty powertran mcs-1. built from a kit, 8-bit with dbx, & a huge 64k of ram, which could be backed up onto floppy with the aid of a bbc microcomputer. then came a boss 1/2 rack delay which had a f/sw socket on the back for freezing the contents of it's memory. I tried cutting loops of tape to use in my mellotron..... eventually, I managed to get my guitarist to try the mcs-1.... we got the delay length adjusted so his guitar phrase would loop around in time with the sequencers (this is all free-running), but he had to use the "unfreeze" footswitch & rerecord his part whenever it began to drift. we still use the thing- I have two of them. but we couldn't rely on this, & so I started looking around for something we could sync up. no-one could be persuaded to part with a bel bd-80 delay, with it's triggered repeat function.... this would be early 1995... & the jam-man was just new on the market in the UK. we bought one right away. a few years later, I bought the last one in the UK, & expanded them both. my guitarist won't go anywhere without his. then came the repeater..... the full list of solid-state loopers (i.e. no tape decks): 2 x jam-man 2 x DL4 1 x vortex 2 x repeater 1 x headrush 1 x EH 16sec reissue 1 x DOD dimension 12 1 x boss rps-10 (the 1/2 rack pitch-shift/delay) 2 x powertran mcs-1 various boss digital delay pedals I think that's the lot. :-) duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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(maybe that's a better heading, or more interesting/useful topic...)

I've probably mentioned this before, but back in 1978-9, the only effect we had in our tiny attic studio was tape delay. to achieve the length of delay we wanted would've meant running the three-head deck slower than we otter, given that it was also the master recorder. so I put a spare play-only deck next to it..... the effect we wanted (& got!) was a discrete layering rather than a repeat echo. we didn't know anyone else had already done it. natural born loopers.

I think what prompted this was watching the tape-loop go around on a borrowed wem copicat, & wondering if the owner would mind if I moved all the heads along so that one of the replay heads would be where the record head should be. by this time, we'd discovered that the copicat's permanent magnet erase head could be removed.

anyway, none of this had anything to do with robert fripp, whose rig I did not know about until 1980. by this time, we were old hands at the two-deck thing. I have used ferrograph tube decks, revoxes, even uher portables.

for lack of a sequencer or any form of multitracking, I took to cutting recorded keyboard phrases into loops, then playing them off into another deck & editing the results. we used loops like this in the context of a live rock band too, either with these phrases (one on each of two tracks), sustained chords or sound effects.

fast-forwarding a bit, my first sampler was the mighty powertran mcs-1. built from a kit, 8-bit with dbx, & a huge 64k of ram, which could be backed up onto floppy with the aid of a bbc microcomputer.

then came a boss 1/2 rack delay which had a f/sw socket on the back for freezing the contents of it's memory.

I tried cutting loops of tape to use in my mellotron.....

eventually, I managed to get my guitarist to try the mcs-1.... we got the delay length adjusted so his guitar phrase would loop around in time with the sequencers (this is all free-running), but he had to use the "unfreeze" footswitch & rerecord his part whenever it began to drift. we still use the thing- I have two of them.

but we couldn't rely on this, & so I started looking around for something we could sync up. no-one could be persuaded to part with a bel bd-80 delay, with it's triggered repeat function.... this would be early 1995... & the jam-man was just new on the market in the UK. we bought one right away.

a few years later, I bought the last one in the UK, & expanded them both. my guitarist won't go anywhere without his.

then came the repeater.....

the full list of solid-state loopers (i.e. no tape decks):
2 x jam-man
2 x DL4
1 x vortex
2 x repeater
1 x headrush
1 x EH 16sec reissue
1 x DOD dimension 12
1 x boss rps-10 (the 1/2 rack pitch-shift/delay)
2 x powertran mcs-1
various boss digital delay pedals

I think that's the lot. :-)

duncan/r.m.i.



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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 2 02:07:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 261A53BF67; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 02:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: definitive list of every looper I've ever used Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 02:07:34 +0000 Message-Id: <070220050207.16285.42C5F6E60000E88C00003F9D22058891160196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16285_1120270054_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 02:07:38 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16285_1120270054_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -------------- Original message -------------- (maybe that's a better heading, or more interesting/useful topic...) No , neither one really. As to " none of this had anything to do with robert fripp" I suppose that's a load off his mind. Adoring you from a distance Duncan. bryan helm. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16285_1120270054_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
 
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(maybe that's a better heading, or more interesting/useful topic...)

No , neither one really. As to " none of this had anything to do with robert fripp" I suppose that's a load off his mind. Adoring you from a distance Duncan.

 

                                                                               bryan helm.

 

                                                                           

                                                                   

                                     

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16285_1120270054_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 2 05:05:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E9983BF61; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42C6207F.5050904@iinet.net.au> Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:05:03 +0900 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: The Brondesberry Tapes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Tracking-Number: 200507024693799 X-Spam-Policy: SMTP.com is a paid relay service. We don't tolerate UCE of any kind. Please report it ASAP to abuse@smtp.com (sender ID is 1125789) Resent-Message-ID: <6GVcxD.A.3OG.GCixCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:05:11 +0000 (UTC) hi all. is anyone familiar with this early fripp/giles/giles album? any opinions? -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 2 20:42:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8D473BF51; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <1e1.3faa1c36.2ff8563f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:42:39 EDT Subject: Re: The Brondesberry Tapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1120336959" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:42:47 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1120336959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have it. It has been probably twenty five or more years since I last heard. I recall it as being quite wacky when compared to "In the Court of the Crimson King". I'd be open to trading a CDR copy of it for other obscure, hard to find or bootleg material by various artists. Kenny -------------------------------1120336959 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have it.  It has been probably twenty five or more years=20 since I last heard.  I recall it as being quite wacky wh= en=20 compared to "In the Court of the Crimson King".  I'd be open to trading= a=20 CDR copy of it for other obscure, hard to find or bootleg material by variou= s=20 artists.
 
Kenny
 -------------------------------1120336959-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 2 23:29:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1823E3BF38; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <1e1.3faa1c36.2ff8563f@aol.com> References: <1e1.3faa1c36.2ff8563f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7044934fafb96cbb2b8db24d6d1195c0@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: The Brondesberry Tapes Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:29:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:29:59 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 2, 2005, at 3:42 PM, Ryman1960@aol.com wrote: > I'd be open to trading a CDR copy of it for other obscure, hard to > find or bootleg material by various artists. no need to. it's available from Voiceprint. if you're an eMusic subscriber you can download it. it's enjoyable. i strongly recommend it. --- Suit & Tie Guy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 2 23:49:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65A8E3BF48; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: obadia@clumsybeats.org via green.vps.kmem.org X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.24-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(10.0.0.17):. Processed in 4.798156 secs Process 26928) Message-ID: <51578.213.100.44.58.1120348189.squirrel@213.100.44.58> In-Reply-To: <20050630001921.81D7D3BF36@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <39C7D4AE-47B2-4D19-8827-48E8CF58FE61@boysen.se> <20050630001921.81D7D3BF36@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 01:49:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: RE: The newest Loop-Music I've bought is... From: "obadia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: obadia@clumsybeats.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:49:37 +0000 (UTC) hi there, we were mentioning jamie lidell's shows the other day... i found this movie: http://www.warprecords.com/jamielidell/jamie_rfh2004_large.mov ________________________________________ Stéphane Obadia http://www.clumsybeats.org | http://www.12rec.net/release_robsteady_019.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 3 07:55:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACED13BF48; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 07:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: RE: The Brondesberry Tapes Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 09:54:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcV+w6C3Ey6e+XWbRuun4TITfSt49AA35r7A In-Reply-To: <42C6207F.5050904@iinet.net.au> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at libero.it serv8 Message-Id: <20050703075459.2D32A3BF43@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 07:55:02 +0000 (UTC) The Brondesbury Tapes is a proto-king crimson album (in fact it contains a proto-version of "I Talk To The Wind". Since it wasn't an album meant to be released at the time, but more of a demo tape the recording quality varies much from one song to the other... Even the genre varies between the various songs. There are some tracks I really like (I really dig the two versions of "Why don't you just Drop In" - fripp as a hippie :-)...) I really like it, and I strongly recommend it. Peace Luigi -----Original Message----- From: mjnoble [mailto:not8ohm@iinet.net.au] Sent: sabato 2 luglio 2005 7.05 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: The Brondesberry Tapes hi all. is anyone familiar with this early fripp/giles/giles album? any opinions? -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 3 10:01:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 191933BF54; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 10:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42C7B7B5.5040606@antlerbeast.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 12:02:29 +0200 From: Mattias Nord User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Back after a loong "sleep".. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_f4jy.A.CCE.Ae7xCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 10:01:37 +0000 (UTC) So, what can i say. I'm back. After a lot of turmoil in my worklife. What happend to my VST Looping Plugin "Wecho Wecho"? Well, basicly it's on ice. Practicly it boils down to sync-issiues and problems with floating point calculations in different VST-hosts. So anyway, i'm still livelooping on a regular basis, and i will (if i get some time over) put some recorded stuff up soon. :) On an other note. I went to the Jamie Cullum concert at Cirkus, Stockholm, Sweden last night. And 'lo and behold! Jamie did a cover of the White Stripes song "Seven Nation Army" (is it their song or did they also do it as a cover?) and i believe he used the Boss RC-20 Loop Station and a microphone. Clapping, Punching the mike, Drumming on the Piano, Strumming the strings in the piano. As a base and then he jammed and sang to that, and the whole venue went wild giving him standing ovations! So add Jamie Cullum to the list. All in all it was a great evening. :) Now i'm off to get some breakfast. Maybe i'll put up some mp3s for you all later today. :P /Tias - Livelooper dee lite..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 3 13:32:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DE5B3BF27; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <42C7B7B5.5040606@antlerbeast.com> References: <42C7B7B5.5040606@antlerbeast.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3B5DF92D-F88E-406F-86A8-000946971AFC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Back after a loong "sleep".. Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:32:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:32:34 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 3, 2005, at 12:02, Mattias Nord wrote: > So, what can i say. I'm back. After a lot of turmoil in my worklife. Nice to have you back! :-) > What happend to my VST Looping Plugin Wecho Wecho"? Well, basicly =20 > it's on ice. Practicly it boils down to sync-issiues and problems =20 > with floating point calculations in different VST-hosts. What a shame! This planet needs more looping. Med v=E4nlig h=E4lsning Per Boysen Kontor 08 - 34 11 81 F=E4lt: 070 - 441 67 13 www.boysen.se (Sv) www.looproom.com (int) --> iTunes Music Store / / / www.cdbaby.com/perboysen --- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 3 20:33:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 738CE3BF2F; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42C84BBA.1020708@antlerbeast.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:34:02 +0200 From: Mattias Nord User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Back after a loong "sleep".. References: <42C7B7B5.5040606@antlerbeast.com> <3B5DF92D-F88E-406F-86A8-000946971AFC@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <3B5DF92D-F88E-406F-86A8-000946971AFC@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9_sDnB.A.JKC.0uEyCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Well, i'm happy to be back, i've missed this place actually. :) Also, i'm rethinking the whole strategy around the plugin and the idea is to do a granular looping device instead. Kind of like the Repeater. But i'm not sure yet how to do it. There's a couple of problems that need to be worked around. Syncing for one, when dealing with VST-hosts and audio-preferences the VST-plugins get audio and sync info in different times depending on settings, and that is pretty annoying. Isn't it time to put together another scandinavian looping festival soon Per? ;) /Tias Per Boysen wrote: > On Jul 3, 2005, at 12:02, Mattias Nord wrote: > >> So, what can i say. I'm back. After a lot of turmoil in my worklife. > > > Nice to have you back! :-) > >> What happend to my VST Looping Plugin Wecho Wecho"? Well, basicly >> it's on ice. Practicly it boils down to sync-issiues and problems >> with floating point calculations in different VST-hosts. > > > What a shame! This planet needs more looping. > > Med vänlig hälsning > > Per Boysen > > Kontor 08 - 34 11 81 > Fält: 070 - 441 67 13 > www.boysen.se (Sv) > www.looproom.com (int) > --> iTunes Music Store / / / > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > --- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 3 21:42:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B42993BF2C; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <42C84BBA.1020708@antlerbeast.com> References: <42C7B7B5.5040606@antlerbeast.com> <3B5DF92D-F88E-406F-86A8-000946971AFC@boysen.se> <42C84BBA.1020708@antlerbeast.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <43D4721C-EA8C-4929-A13B-6A94FF8E3914@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Back after a loong "sleep".. Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 23:42:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:42:07 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 3, 2005, at 22:34, Mattias Nord wrote: > > Isn't it time to put together another scandinavian looping festival > soon Per? ;) > > /Tias That's a good idea! Maybe we should get together - off list - and talk it over? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 4 01:45:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 664813BF27; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 01:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42C894BA.9030201@iinet.net.au> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 10:45:30 +0900 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Brondesberry Tapes References: <20050703075459.2D32A3BF43@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20050703075459.2D32A3BF43@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Tracking-Number: 200507034702852 X-Spam-Policy: SMTP.com is a paid relay service. We don't tolerate UCE of any kind. Please report it ASAP to abuse@smtp.com (sender ID is 1125789) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 01:45:35 +0000 (UTC) thanks for the replies, I noticed the album on emusic, will check it out... -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 4 03:28:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2ECA73BF1B; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 03:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents Oldine and Aidan Baker Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 23:32:29 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <00f301c58049$01855390$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 03:28:49 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 5th - Oldine and Aidan Baker >From Paris, France, Oldine (aka Thomas Robyn) creates a mesmerizing hushed atmospheric pastoral haze using laptop, minidisc, and guitar, a repetitive ebbing and flowing of sounds that occasionally seeps into a dazed cacophony of drone and feedback. http://www.lecridelaharpe.com/oldine Aidan Baker is a Toronto musician and writer making experimental/ ambient/drone music using electric guitar, looping pedal, and various electronics to create music that ranges from minimal abstractions to maximal walls of enveloping sound. http://www.aidanbaker.org Oldine and Aidan Baker have both released albums on the French label Le Cri de la Harpe. Visit the label's site to hear mp3 samples from their respective discs: http://www.lecridelaharpe.com Between Sets CD - "Harmless Love" by Nilan Perera Keeping with the evening's theme of creative live guitar and treatments we'll feature solo guitar works from experimental guitarist Nilan = Perera's impressive recent limited-edition CD release "Harmless Love" between = sets. http://www.soundtravels.ca/deepwireless/2003/perera.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday July 12th - Io with General Chaos Visuals http://www.eleguarecords.com http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek On Tuesday, June 28th, THE AMBiENT PiNG hosted two outstanding improv-based concerts featuring Rob Piilonen with Todd Pearson and Nick Storring with Rose Bolton, Michael Dobinson & Michael Keith. =20 Rob Piilonen (flute) & DJ Syklik (aka Todd Pearson on turntables) have known each other since grade 9 and have had many opportunities to play together over the years. The resulting sense of trust and camaraderie helped to overcome the duo's technical difficulties as only 2 out of 3 of Todd's turntables were in working order for tonight's performance. As Todd pointed out after the show, "that's what improv is all about." According to Todd, he and Rob jammed the week before and were really happy with the three turntable + flute groove. For tonight's concert, Todd used a long drone as the through line and kept dropping things in - like a sample from the Smithsonian recording, Man on the Moon. Combined with Rob's use of long delays and treatments, the show was a great success and I have to admit that I gained a whole new appreciation for the turntable-as-instrument tonight.=20 This evening's second set featured an electroacoustic performance by CEE (Canadian Electronic Ensemble) regulars Rose Bolton (violin, = electronics, objects) and Michael Dobinson (objects, electronics, computer) with improvisers Nick Storring (cello/computer) and Michael Keith (guitar). In keeping with the show's improvisational bent, the second set took on = a playful tone. After Rose Bolton promised the audience a new = interpretation of "Sweet Home Alabama" with a segue into "A Bicycle Built for Two", Michael Keith delivered a "Sweet Home Alabama" riff between pieces. Well into the 1st piece, Nick's cello was foregrounded, creating a melodic ambience that contrasted with their 2nd piece's use of = distortion and unusual sound effects. In keeping with their good-humored approach to tonight's show, the quartet ended the night with a silly finale, much to the delight of the PiNG audience. =20 Nick Storring: http://www.nickstorring.com Rose Bolton: http://www3.sympatico.ca/larry_lake/rosienobars.htm Michael Dobinson: http://www3.sympatico.ca/larry_lake/mikeynobars.htm Michael Keith: = http://p3.hostingprod.com/@alexiteric.com/michaelkeith.html =20 Luna Tek - Please send e-mail queries & submissions for "I POP PiNG" magazine (launching September 2005) to luna@theambientping.com. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "In which one may descend" by Pholde Alan Bloor has long been one of my favorite artists in the experimental/ improvisational genre, a truly distinct talent who's work is = breathtakingly unique. Creating sculptures from random metal pieces and using their inherent sound and resonance to play them as instruments, he makes some of the most incredible work I've ever heard, emotional, engaging=20 and strangely organic despite the soundsource. With the release of "In Which One May Descend" under his project Pholde (a quieter less processed exploration of metal's charms as opposed to his extreme noise project Knurl), Alan has once again tapped into a world of previously unheard music and charms. Featuring two long form tracks recorded live without overdubs ("To the Exclusion of the = Alternative" and "Deposition of a Layer"), the disc fully captures the essence and ideal of Alan's work. Through light scraping and bowing of the = sculpture used for this recording, "To the Exclusion of the Alternative" features a steady drone-like undertone over which occasional sounds rise and fall in an almost fluid way, building in number until they take control of the piece and move it in new directions. "Deposition of a Layer" follows a similar path, but remains unique in it's flow and arrangement, enabling the listener to imagine different environments and atmospheres specific to itself. Beautiful and unique, the work of Pholde never ceases to delight and inspire me. "In Which One May Descend" continues in this vein, and is a work of truly engaging music that will delight fans of Alan's previous work and will hopefully draw attention to more people who are willing to open their ears to new sounds and ideas. Highly recommended. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 4 10:56:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A1653BF30; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xGZAIsO79lfi2e0GCUXHevH+iZ/0JuyxAA44EZKAIJ/tpTQiA5KPloLYhTgTePbPHZN/4SbtaFbZAvjd71A0iSiyEJm5pCYsI9BdvE2IwISJhB00xrCm5OD6j/YlblZirikdTdTTwdr0nGDfJ35ze+koA0w37Mb4tXs0uqkCGeI= ; Message-ID: <20050704105640.26821.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 03:56:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Back after a loong "sleep".. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42C84BBA.1020708@antlerbeast.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6SLreC.A.QwE.qXRyCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:56:43 +0000 (UTC) sounds nice guys! Luis > > Isn't it time to put together another scandinavian > looping festival soon > Per? ;) > www.luis-angulo.com ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 4 11:46:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EE533BF32; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1120477604!25862281!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A21D@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: definitive list of every looper I've ever used Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:48:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5808E.44A320E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:46:49 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5808E.44A320E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >(maybe that's a better heading, or more interesting/useful topic...)< No , neither one really. As to " none of this had anything to do with robert fripp" I suppose that's a load off his mind. Adoring you from a distance Duncan. bryan helm.<< & they say e-mails can't convey sarcasm. someone have a bad day? duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5808E.44A320E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 4 16:24:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF8003BF51; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: definitive list of every looper I've ever used Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 16:23:52 +0000 Message-Id: <070420051623.17582.42C962980004C0CA000044AE22007614380196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17582_1120494232_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:24:03 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17582_1120494232_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -------------- Original message ----------- & they say e-mails can't convey sarcasm. someone have a bad day? Anytime we can reach an understanding Duncan, it's a good day. sincerely, bryan helm --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17582_1120494232_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
 
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& they say e-mails can't convey sarcasm. someone have a bad day?

 

Anytime we can reach an understanding Duncan, it's a good day.

                                                     sincerely,

                                                                        bryan helm                       

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17582_1120494232_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 5 08:18:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38B213BF4C; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.202] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <070420051623.17582.42C962980004C0CA000044AE22007614380196010D9F010104@comcast.net> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: noise plugin for OSX Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:18:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2005 08:18:51.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D441510:01C5813A] Resent-Message-ID: <1PT0_B.A.IfF.uJkyCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:18:55 +0000 (UTC) dunno what it's like - i'm still on OS9.2...! http://www.gleetchplug.com/ cheers! sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 5 10:39:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 375B93BF33; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4D8C1EC0-C949-45A9-BFFA-EA610593A8B2@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: noise plugin for OSX Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:39:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <_dKgWC.A.1d.3NmyCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:39:52 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 5, 2005, at 10:18, simeon harris wrote: > dunno what it's like - i'm still on OS9.2...! > > http://www.gleetchplug.com/ > > cheers! > > sim > > > www.simeonharris.co.uk I have OS X here and downloaded Gleetchplug last month when 1.0.3 was posted. I have not gotten the time to go deeply into it but I probably will. What had me interested was reading the PDF manual, listening to some mp3 demos and also that it looks so great ;-) You can not assign external midi to control all the sound mangling processes though. The developer seems to be a very nice guy and he says on the forum that he might think about throwing in some external midi control in a future upgrade. The developer's ambition with Gleetchplug is not to create a real-time instrument but to take it more into the direction of generative music creation. I think that sounds great! Some ppl report that you can integrate Gleetchplug with a system based on Ableton Live, just by fetching the Gleetchplug audio into a Live track. When I get time, the first area I will explore is if you can then also feed Gleetchplug's audio input from an aux send or channel in Live. There are a lot of inspiring option hoovering here ;-) (Gleetchplug as a generative music machine made to react on live audio input streaming through Ableton Live - at least that my vision, still on my check list for future rainy days) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 5 15:02:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D16973BF55; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Erland Subject: New Jamman - More Than One Undo? Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:02:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:02:38 +0000 (UTC) It only has one undo right? ----------------------------------------------------- erland www.erlandonline.com www.myspace.com/erland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 5 18:44:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF6133BF67; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: jet Subject: bernhard wagner Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:43:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:44:06 +0000 (UTC) hi bernhard are you still on the list? i've seen your interview on fanzine.ch ... right above mine :) i'm=20= back in good old ch 2 weeks ago ... is there any poss to play at your looper-meeting? saludos, Jes=FAs ps. das uf mondart: s'erscht schwiizer loopmeeting han i em 1999 i de=20 boa gmacht, dis w=E4r =F6ppe s nummero vier oder f=FC=FCf - g=E4ll = matthias= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 15:18:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00AF53BF3F; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: RE: Fun with time signatures Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:17:37 +0200 Message-ID: <002001c5823d$deccb220$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Funky stuff! EDP: My problem was, pressing Halfspeed (12) while recording closes the = loop and plays it at toggled speed, i.e. it doesn't continue recording. But it works when using alternative SUSToggleSpeed (24), or FULLSPEED = (34) and HALFSPEED (35) (See EDP Manual http://www.gibson.com/Files/Downloads/PDFs/Gibson/EchoplexPlusManual12.pd= f, p. 7-5) (Thanks for the hint, Matthias!) Is there some kind of state diagram available for the EDP? That shows what the functions do depending on the current state of the = EDP, something like (e.g. when Insert =3D HSP (Halfspeed)): Functions: Rec OD Mult Insert Mute Undo Nxt = DirMidi... States: Playing Rec'ing OD'ing Mult'ing Playing@HSP Muted etc. Reset Rec'ing IgnoreSyn etc. HSP (armed) etc. Rec'ing Playing OD'ing Mult'ing Playing@HSP etc. Of course this depends on the configuration and there are long presses = and DirectMidi commands, too, but still... Thank you Bernhard http://nosuch.biz > -----Original Message----- > From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] > Sent: Samstag, 25. Juni 2005 00:22 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Fun with time signatures >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hey Loopoids > Here is a cool trick I happened upon that works for any loop device = that > can toggle between normal and half speed recording while in record = mode. I > do it on the DL4, but I believe the EDP and The Rang can achieve these > results. I have been able to get predictable results of 3/4, = 7/8,9/8,10/8, > and 11/8, by toggling the record speed while looping 8th note figures = on > my > guitar. I may have mentioned this trick before, but since then I've > figured > out some more formulas. > To take you through this technique, start by playing a simple straight = 8th > note figure on your weapon of choice. Hit record, and every two beats > switch > record speeds, until you complete your loop, making sure that there = are > equal numbers of half speed and normal speed beats. the loop you wind = up > with will have a 3/4 rhythm (or 6/8 depending on tempo), with a cool > octave > switch (courtesy of the record speed toggling). Rather than go in to a > long > winded explanation about why that is I'll give you the formulas I've = come > up > with so far: >=20 > On the left is the pattern of beats I play as I switch record speeds. > Example: to get 9/8, I toggle every 3 beats, 7/8 I alternate 3 8th = notes > and > 2 8th notes, etc... > In the middle is the speed I start recording in, H stands for half = speed > and N stands for normal speed. > At right is the resulting time signature. >=20 >=20 > PATTERN SPEED TIME > 2-2 H/N 3/4 > 3-3 H/N 9/8 > 3-2 H 7/8 > 2-3 N 4/4 > 2-3 N 7/8 > 2-3 H 4/4 > 3-4 H 11/8 > 3-4 N 10/8 > 4-3 H 10/8 > 4-3 N 11/8 >=20 > I hope this made sense, there will be some examples of this technique = on > my > upcoming Cd, until then, you'll just have to try it to hear it. > Enjoy > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 16:11:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E72A3BF3A; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <002001c5823d$deccb220$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <002001c5823d$deccb220$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Fun with time signatures Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:10:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:11:00 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 6, 2005, at 17:17, wrote: > Is there some kind of state diagram available for the EDP? > That shows what the functions do depending on the current state of > the EDP, > something like (e.g. when Insert = HSP (Halfspeed)): > > Functions: > Rec OD Mult Insert Mute > Undo Nxt DirMidi... > States: > Playing Rec'ing OD'ing Mult'ing Playing@HSP Muted etc. > Reset Rec'ing IgnoreSyn etc. HSP (armed) etc. > Rec'ing Playing OD'ing Mult'ing Playing@HSP etc. > > Of course this depends on the configuration and there are long > presses and > DirectMidi commands, too, but still... When you write "functions", do you mean the pedal buttons (same as the front panel buttons)? Are you leaving out the direct midi command option here (because they are listed in the Loop4 manual)? I mean, with direct midi commands you can directly access many functions that would need a quite complex diagram to be displayed as pedal/front panel buttons. Before I picked up a FCB1010 and started using the direct midi commands I used to think about such a diagram. I started to draw one but gave up soon because I realized that even if I should succeed in drawing one I would never be able to get such an overall view of it that it would be to any help in forming my creative looping strategies. So I started using a different method; memorizing some functions and how they depend on and interfere with each other. When not grasping for the complete Echoplex scheme I found it possible to start making some inspiring music with the little knowledge I had. Then I tried to memorize a little more functions to expand my way of reacting to the noise I got out of the EDP. Of course a diagram would be very cool - in a scientific way, though ;-) Thinking about that excellent exel sheet for keys you created. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 16:37:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B207B3BF5B; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: EDP state diagram (was: Fun with time signatures) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:36:45 +0200 Message-ID: <003a01c58248$ea2b9c70$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:37:08 +0000 (UTC) > > > When you write "functions", do you mean the pedal buttons (same as > the front panel buttons)? Are you leaving out the direct midi command > option here (because they are listed in the Loop4 manual)? I mean, > with direct midi commands you can directly access many functions that > would need a quite complex diagram to be displayed as pedal/front > panel buttons. Yes, I mean including the DirectMIDI-Commands, actually. And also the long presses, which often perform a different function. > So I started using a different method; memorizing some > functions and how they depend on and interfere with each other. When > not grasping for the complete Echoplex scheme I found it possible to > start making some inspiring music with the little knowledge I had. Same here! I had to take a few lessons from Andy, though, to grasp what to do with those cycles and loops... > > Of course a diagram would be very cool - in a scientific way, > though ;-) Thinking about that excellent exel sheet for keys you > created. (blush) Thanks, Per! I actually imagine something like that, or even an application that you can use to find out "where you can go from here". This application would actually be hooked up via midi to the EDP, constantly monitor it, and would always tell you the state of your device, and how you can go where during your playing, sort of an "interactive cookbook". This could be extended to other devices too ... Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 16:48:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0DDF3BF72; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004901c5824a$9335e220$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: what about patchbay ? Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:48:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C5825B.56964290" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:48:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C5825B.56964290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi loopers, I'm now back after a travel (desired for yeras and years) in Andalucia = and a=20 "bath" of flamenco music. I know it may sounds strange for a keyboardist, as I am, and for a = looper=20 (generally an electronic-technologic musician), but, I've ever loved the = rythm and the complexity of that music. Apart this (it's just to share...) I know there are lot of you in this = list=20 having a big knowledge about mixers and connection systems. And as you know there may be a lot of methods to send the "played" = signal into a loop machine (bus, alternate outs, out sends, etc...) What I'd like to know is if "patchbay" (like behringer products)=20 are usefull for connect 2 or 3 stereo loop-machines, receiving the = "played " signal=20 from a source. What about ? Thanks in advantage for your suggestions. Fabio http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C5825B.56964290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = loopers,
I'm now back after a = travel=20 (desired for yeras and years) in Andalucia and a
"bath" of flamenco=20 music.
I know it may = sounds strange=20 for a keyboardist, as I am, and for a looper
(generally an=20 electronic-technologic musician), but, I've ever loved the
rythm and the = complexity of that=20 music.
 
Apart this (it's just = to share...)=20 I know there are lot = of you in=20 this list
having a big knowledge = about mixers=20 and connection=20 systems.
And as you know there = may be a lot=20 of methods to send the "played" signal
into a loop machine = (bus, alternate=20 outs, out sends, etc...)
What I'd like to know = is=20 if "patchbay" (like behringer products)
are usefull for = connect 2 or=20 3  stereo loop-machines, receiving the "played " signal =
from a = source.
 
What about = ?
Thanks in advantage for = your=20 suggestions.
 
Fabio
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
http://stage.vitaminic.it/e= terogeneo
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C5825B.56964290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 17:09:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 778693BF7C; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <45.2b8fcbad.2ffd6a38@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:09:12 EDT Subject: Re: what about patchbay ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1120669751" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:09:19 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1120669751 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I definitely like using a patch bay. I use two rack synths as well as running mini monsta soft synth. Patch bay allows me to route signals which ever way I want to multiple tape delays, digital delays and outboard processing then bring 'em back to 10 in mixer for my live signal. Patch bay lets me change things on the fly for live performance depending on what I need to do. For me a patch bay is indispensable. Kenny -------------------------------1120669751 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I definitely like using a patch bay.  I use two rack synths as wel= l as=20 running mini monsta soft synth.  Patch bay allows me to route signals w= hich=20 ever way I want to multiple tape delays, digital delays and outboard process= ing=20 then bring 'em back to 10 in mixer for my live signal.  Patch bay lets=20= me=20 change things on the fly for live performance depending on what I need=20= to=20 do.  For me a patch bay is indispensable.
 
Kenny
 -------------------------------1120669751-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 17:30:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77FC73BF78; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: what about patchbay ? Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:30:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5822E.F0988100" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWCTXLM+wHi49qtSpybOkllp1iUmwAAuWlg In-Reply-To: <45.2b8fcbad.2ffd6a38@aol.com> Message-Id: <20050706173040.E02503BF71@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:30:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5822E.F0988100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You mentioned using a patchbay for live performance. Do you use some sort of midi controlled patchbay? _____ From: Ryman1960@aol.com [mailto:Ryman1960@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what about patchbay ? I definitely like using a patch bay. I use two rack synths as well as running mini monsta soft synth. Patch bay allows me to route signals which ever way I want to multiple tape delays, digital delays and outboard processing then bring 'em back to 10 in mixer for my live signal. Patch bay lets me change things on the fly for live performance depending on what I need to do. For me a patch bay is indispensable. Kenny ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5822E.F0988100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You mentioned using a patchbay for = live performance. Do you use some sort of midi controlled = patchbay?

 

From: Ryman1960@aol.com [mailto:Ryman1960@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, = 2005 1:09 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: what about = patchbay ?

 

I definitely like using a patch bay.  I use two rack synths as well as running mini monsta soft synth.  Patch bay allows me to route signals which ever way I want = to multiple tape delays, digital delays and outboard processing then bring = 'em back to 10 in mixer for my live signal.  Patch bay lets me change things = on the fly for live performance depending on what I need to do.  For = me a patch bay is indispensable.

 

=

Kenny

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5822E.F0988100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 17:47:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A2163BF75; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-6229-1120672023-0001-2" Message-Id: <42CC189F.000026.03072@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:45:03 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <004901c5824a$9335e220$040a0a0a@fabio> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what about patchbay ? X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:47:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_serpico.real.com-6229-1120672023-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-6229-1120672023-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_serpico.real.com-6229-1120672023-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable welcome back! =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 07/06/05 09:48:53=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: what about patchbay ?=0D =0D Hi loopers,=0D I'm now back after a travel (desired for yeras and years) in Andalucia an= d a =0D "bath" of flamenco music.=0D I know it may sounds strange for a keyboardist, as I am, and for a looper= =0D (generally an electronic-technologic musician), but, I've ever loved the = =0D rythm and the complexity of that music.=0D =0D Apart this (it's just to share...) I know there are lot of you in this li= st =0D having a big knowledge about mixers and connection systems.=0D And as you know there may be a lot of methods to send the "played" signal= =0D into a loop machine (bus, alternate outs, out sends, etc...)=0D What I'd like to know is if "patchbay" (like behringer products) =0D are usefull for connect 2 or 3 stereo loop-machines, receiving the "play= ed=20 signal =0D from a source.=0D =0D What about ?=0D Thanks in advantage for your suggestions.=0D =0D Fabio=0D http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url=0D http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo=0D =20 --=_serpico.real.com-6229-1120672023-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Date: 07/06/05 09:= 48:53
Subject: what abou= t patchbay ?
 
Hi loopers,
I'm now back after a tra= vel (desired for yeras and years) in Andalucia and a
"bath" of flamenco music= =2E
I know it may sound= s strange for a keyboardist, as I am, and for a looper <= /DIV>
(generally an electronic= -technologic musician), but, I've ever loved the
rythm and the complexity= of that music.=
 
Apart this (it's just to= share...) I know ther= e are lot of you in this list
having a big knowledge a= bout mixers and connec= tion systems.
And as you know there ma= y be a lot of methods to send the "played" signal
into a loop machine (bus= , alternate outs, out sends, etc...)
What I'd like to know is= if "patchbay" (like behringer products)
are usefull for connect&= nbsp;2 or 3  stereo loop-machines, receiving the "played " signal
from a source.
 
What about ?
Thanks in advantage for = your suggestions.
 
Fabio
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arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E1EF3BF6C; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:16:17 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: what about patchbay ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004c01c58267$910a9780$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_VuD/Asow9QICyWMRThXb3g)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004901c5824a$9335e220$040a0a0a@fabio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:16:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_VuD/Asow9QICyWMRThXb3g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT It\s not clear to me if you are looking for a patchbay or a line mixer. A patch is great for routing and making gear accessible but it won`t mix several sourches down to stereo. I have a couple of the Rane SM82 line mixers and they are solid and clean sounding. Eight stereo ins, stereo send and return, balanced stereo out (if needed) etc. The SM26 is a more simple version. Both can be found on ebay; http://search.ebay.com/rane-mixer_Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfromZR4QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ619 Probably several here who use different brands of line mixers as well as the smaller Mackie and Behringer mixers. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fabio Anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: what about patchbay ? Apart this (it's just to share...) I know there are lot of you in this list having a big knowledge about mixers and connection systems. And as you know there may be a lot of methods to send the "played" signal into a loop machine (bus, alternate outs, out sends, etc...) What I'd like to know is if "patchbay" (like behringer products) are usefull for connect 2 or 3 stereo loop-machines, receiving the "played " signal from a source. What about ? Thanks in advantage for your suggestions. --Boundary_(ID_VuD/Asow9QICyWMRThXb3g) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
It\s not clear to me if you are looking for a patchbay or a line mixer.
A patch is great for routing and making gear accessible but it won`t mix several sourches down to stereo. I have a couple of the Rane SM82 line mixers and they are solid and clean sounding. Eight stereo ins, stereo send and return, balanced stereo out (if needed) etc. The SM26 is a more simple version. Both can be found on ebay;
 
Probably several here who use different brands of line mixers as well as the smaller Mackie and Behringer mixers.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:48 PM
Subject: what about patchbay ?

Apart this (it's just to share...) I know there are lot of you in this list
having a big knowledge about mixers and connection systems.
And as you know there may be a lot of methods to send the "played" signal
into a loop machine (bus, alternate outs, out sends, etc...)
What I'd like to know is if "patchbay" (like behringer products)
are usefull for connect 2 or 3  stereo loop-machines, receiving the "played " signal
from a source.
 
What about ?
Thanks in advantage for your suggestions.
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_VuD/Asow9QICyWMRThXb3g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 20:42:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A71D3BF68; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <90.61388d1e.2ffd9c15@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:41:57 EDT Subject: Re: what about patchbay ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1120682516" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:42:08 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1120682516 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Both analog and midi patch bays -------------------------------1120682516 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Both analog and midi patch bays
 -------------------------------1120682516-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 20:47:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 653663BF5B; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Lxh3S+Hw3zs+marsx3kJe+Ksl9exb2CDyonKwl5yonI8TP4yDwoeax/YU/rb4Bis0muES7ponXpQyYxdUY/i7AHSPSw8ozog7F0NMgFharvZ58vEBbWjY1LJYEfJMmV1wbw7YXarF+cFfhcm6RO9cOW8tVMltWrT5smIDv+EMo0= ; Message-ID: <20050706204715.44651.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:47:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: what about patchbay ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004901c5824a$9335e220$040a0a0a@fabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:47:19 +0000 (UTC) For this purpose you might find a mixer useful, particularly a mixer with as many auxiliary sends as possible. They way you'd hook it up would be to connect the inputs of your loopers each to a different aux send on the mixer, and then return each loopers' output to its own channel on the mixer. That way you can rout your signal to any/all of the loopers, and you can even rout the loopers to each other to transfer/combine running loops on the fly, and you have volume, eq and additional patching capability for each of your loops. -t- --- Fabio Anile wrote: > What I'd like to know is if "patchbay" (like > behringer products) > are usefull for connect 2 or 3 stereo > loop-machines, receiving the "played " signal > from a source. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 21:04:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AFCF3BF73; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:04:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: what about patchbay ? Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:06:05 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c5826e$887e01e0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C5827F.4C06D1E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004c01c58267$910a9780$0200000a@remwavesnet> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:04:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C5827F.4C06D1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd like to advise against the smaller Behringer mixers...they are so cheap that they really ARE cheap. Rule of thumb: do not get one of those below the =80100 price mark. I have to admit I haven't been testing the = UB series to a greater extent, but I do own two MX2642A and firmly believe that this must be the best mixer ever built for artists with lots of effects (like most of us): six auxes and four busses, a total of 26 inputs (or 8 mono ins (w/ inserts AND direct outs), 4 stereo ins, 4 aux returns and one tape return), it's a rackmount device and its patchbay (which has all the connectors mounted to it, not the usual inputs and inserts on top, outputs on the rear) can be mounted on the rear or the bottom (great for rack installation). =20 Without wanting to start a flame war, I believe that Behringer gear is of a higher quality in every aspect than Rane gear. While Mackie does win over Behringer with regard to reliability, some of the Behringer stuff actually wins with regard to audio specs. =20 Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:thelgere@online.no]=20 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2005 22:16 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: what about patchbay ? It\s not clear to me if you are looking for a patchbay or a line mixer.=20 A patch is great for routing and making gear accessible but it won`t mix several sourches down to stereo. I have a couple of the Rane SM82 line mixers and they are solid and clean sounding. Eight stereo ins, stereo send and return, balanced stereo out (if needed) etc. The SM26 is a more simple version. Both can be found on ebay; http://search.ebay.com/rane-mixer_Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfro mZR4QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ619 =20 Probably several here who use different brands of line mixers as well as the smaller Mackie and Behringer mixers. =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio Anile=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: what about patchbay ? Apart this (it's just to share...) I know there are lot of you in this list=20 having a big knowledge about mixers and connection systems. And as you know there may be a lot of methods to send the "played" signal into a loop machine (bus, alternate outs, out sends, etc...) What I'd like to know is if "patchbay" (like behringer products)=20 are usefull for connect 2 or 3 stereo loop-machines, receiving the "played " signal=20 from a source. =20 What about ? Thanks in advantage for your suggestions. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C5827F.4C06D1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
I'd=20 like to advise against the smaller Behringer mixers...they are so cheap = that=20 they really ARE cheap. Rule of thumb: do not get one of those below the = =80100=20 price mark. I have to admit I haven't been testing the UB series to a = greater=20 extent, but I do own two MX2642A and firmly believe that this must be = the best=20 mixer ever built for artists with lots of effects (like most of us): six = auxes=20 and four busses, a total of 26 inputs (or 8 mono ins (w/ inserts AND = direct=20 outs), 4 stereo ins, 4 aux returns and one tape return), it's a = rackmount device=20 and its patchbay (which has all the connectors mounted to it, not the = usual=20 inputs and inserts on top, outputs on the rear) can be mounted on the = rear or=20 the bottom (great for rack installation).
 
Without wanting=20 to start a flame war, I believe that Behringer gear is of a higher = quality in=20 every aspect than Rane gear. While Mackie does win over Behringer with = regard to=20 reliability, some of the Behringer stuff actually wins with regard to = audio=20 specs.
 
       =20 Rainer
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Torstein = H. Rem=20 [mailto:thelgere@online.no]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Juli = 2005=20 22:16
An: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re:=20 what about patchbay ?

It\s not clear to me if you are = looking for a=20 patchbay or a line mixer.
A patch is great for routing and = making gear=20 accessible but it won`t mix several = sourches=20 down to stereo. I have a couple of the Rane SM82 line mixers and they=20 are solid and clean sounding. Eight = stereo ins,=20 stereo send and return, balanced stereo out (if needed) etc. The SM26=20 is a more simple version. Both can = be found on=20 ebay;
http://search.ebay.com/rane-mixer= _Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfromZR4QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ619
 
Probably several here who use = different brands of=20 line mixers as well as the smaller Mackie and Behringer = mixers.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fabio=20 Anile
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, = 2005 6:48=20 PM
Subject: what about patchbay = ?

Apart this (it's = just to=20 share...) I know = there are=20 lot of you in this list
having a big = knowledge about=20 mixers and = connection=20 systems.
And as you know = there may be a=20 lot of methods to send the "played" signal
into a loop machine = (bus,=20 alternate outs, out sends, etc...)
What I'd like to = know is=20 if "patchbay" (like behringer products)
are usefull for = connect 2=20 or 3  stereo loop-machines, receiving the "played " signal=20
from a = source.
 
What about = ?
Thanks in advantage = for your=20 suggestions.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C5827F.4C06D1E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 21:07:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A5163BF76; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Nb1uuiGfmtMe9lxI8KJ+PpRByvJ2aDZqJC9W5cXl6j6g0YiPYgHFZkx3l90Bw8c3xY4qDNWN0IZ2Oix1hm8abDC8/0IkBwa2E0iC5o7fP+lXA0noKLrNYvu89J2Nb6OPW4BwM1aSDcD3uc/HusplM2qKM7qG/3H7dpTijnmhKeE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:07:00 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what about patchbay ? In-Reply-To: <004c01c58267$910a9780$0200000a@remwavesnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <004901c5824a$9335e220$040a0a0a@fabio> <004c01c58267$910a9780$0200000a@remwavesnet> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Since someone mentioned line mixers... Is there an idiot's guide to line mixers online somewhere? For whatever reason, I can never quite wrap my head around how they work, or rather, how they might be used in a looping rig. For example, let's say I've got a mic, a guitar, an f/x processor, and an EDP. If I want to be able to route the mic, guitar, and f/x processor into the EDP at my whim while also routing the mic or guitar into the f/x processor (also at my whim), and have the result come out as a stereo mix (actually, mono would suffice for me at this point), can a line mixer accomplish that? I'd love to not have to lug my Behringer 2642 mixer to these acoustic gigs if I can get by with a single rack-space solution. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 7/6/05, Torstein H. Rem wrote: > =20 > It\s not clear to me if you are looking for a patchbay or a line mixer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 21:45:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0691A3BF4A; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:45:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d501c58274$1426ee00$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <004901c5824a$9335e220$040a0a0a@fabio> Subject: Re: what about patchbay ? Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:42:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C58252.18EDBD50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:45:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C58252.18EDBD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you looked at the Behringer UltraLink?=20 http://www.behringer.com/MX882/index.cfm?lang=3DENG Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio Anile=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:48 PM Subject: what about patchbay ? Hi loopers, I'm now back after a travel (desired for yeras and years) in Andalucia = and a=20 "bath" of flamenco music. I know it may sounds strange for a keyboardist, as I am, and for a = looper=20 (generally an electronic-technologic musician), but, I've ever loved = the=20 rythm and the complexity of that music. Apart this (it's just to share...) I know there are lot of you in this = list=20 having a big knowledge about mixers and connection systems. And as you know there may be a lot of methods to send the "played" = signal into a loop machine (bus, alternate outs, out sends, etc...) What I'd like to know is if "patchbay" (like behringer products)=20 are usefull for connect 2 or 3 stereo loop-machines, receiving the = "played " signal=20 from a source. What about ? Thanks in advantage for your suggestions. Fabio = http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C58252.18EDBD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Have you looked at the Behringer = UltraLink?=20
 
http://www.b= ehringer.com/MX882/index.cfm?lang=3DENG
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fabio=20 Anile
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 = 12:48=20 PM
Subject: what about patchbay = ?

Hi = loopers,
I'm now back after a = travel=20 (desired for yeras and years) in Andalucia and a
"bath" of flamenco=20 music.
I know it may = sounds strange=20 for a keyboardist, as I am, and for a looper
(generally an=20 electronic-technologic musician), but, I've ever loved the
rythm and the = complexity of that=20 music.
 
Apart this (it's just = to=20 share...) I know = there are lot=20 of you in this list
having a big = knowledge about=20 mixers and = connection=20 systems.
And as you know there = may be a=20 lot of methods to send the "played" signal
into a loop machine = (bus,=20 alternate outs, out sends, etc...)
What I'd like to know = is=20 if "patchbay" (like behringer products)
are usefull for = connect 2 or=20 3  stereo loop-machines, receiving the "played " signal =
from a = source.
 
What about = ?
Thanks in advantage = for your=20 suggestions.
 
Fabio
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
http://stage.vitaminic.it/e= terogeneo
------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01C58252.18EDBD50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 22:52:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 173A63BF68; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 00:52:51 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: what about patchbay ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000e01c5827d$709bd1b0$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_g9vFYt2TE2txMNDn5KIXTg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000901c5826e$887e01e0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:52:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_g9vFYt2TE2txMNDn5KIXTg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable NachrichtI can only talk from my experience with the Rane SM82, which = works great, but this is the first time ever I`ve heard anyone claim that Behringer is generally of better quality than the Rane = products. And I`ve heard a lot on many rec forums. :-) The Rane is not perfect and a here are a couple of threads from = rec.audio about changing the opamps for better sonics; http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Dno&lr=3D&rls=3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNW= E:en&threadm=3D091220032120158115%25ulyssesnospam%40rollmusic.com&rnum=3D= 1&prev=3D/groups%3Fq%3Drane%2520SM82%2520upgrade%26hl%3Dno%26lr%3D%26rls%= 3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNWE:en%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Dno&lr=3D&rls=3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNW= E:en&threadm=3D375FF213.4799A194%40earthlink.net&rnum=3D2&prev=3D/groups%= 3Fq%3Drane%2520SM82%2520upgrade%26hl%3Dno%26lr%3D%26rls%3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-= 51,RNWE:en%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg I once mailed Jim Willams regarding a possible upgrade (I`m no tech = head) and the answer I got was; "I did an extensive mod on one of those for tonmeister Andrew Lipinsky = several years ago. It was OK, but it's tiny power transformer limits = what quality parts can be used. It's probably not worth the money to do = that much work on it unless you have stringent acoustic recording = requirements. Jim Williams Audio Upgrades" You could do some of your routing ideas with a line mixer like the SM82. = The stereo send and return could be used as two mono effect loops returning to two free mono channels rather than using = the effect returns. There`s good documentation on the Rane site; http://www.rane.com/sm82.html ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: AW: what about patchbay ? I'd like to advise against the smaller Behringer mixers...they are so = cheap that they really ARE cheap. Rule of thumb: do not get one of those = below the =80100 price mark. I have to admit I haven't been testing the = UB series to a greater extent, but I do own two MX2642A and firmly = believe that this must be the best mixer ever built for artists with = lots of effects (like most of us): six auxes and four busses, a total of = 26 inputs (or 8 mono ins (w/ inserts AND direct outs), 4 stereo ins, 4 = aux returns and one tape return), it's a rackmount device and its = patchbay (which has all the connectors mounted to it, not the usual = inputs and inserts on top, outputs on the rear) can be mounted on the = rear or the bottom (great for rack installation). Without wanting to start a flame war, I believe that Behringer gear is = of a higher quality in every aspect than Rane gear. While Mackie does = win over Behringer with regard to reliability, some of the Behringer = stuff actually wins with regard to audio specs. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:thelgere@online.no]=20 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2005 22:16 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: what about patchbay ? It\s not clear to me if you are looking for a patchbay or a line = mixer.=20 A patch is great for routing and making gear accessible but it won`t = mix several sourches down to stereo. I have a couple of the Rane SM82 = line mixers and they are solid and clean sounding. Eight stereo ins, = stereo send and return, balanced stereo out (if needed) etc. The SM26 is = a more simple version. Both can be found on ebay; = http://search.ebay.com/rane-mixer_Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfrom= ZR4QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ619 Probably several here who use different brands of line mixers as = well as the smaller Mackie and Behringer mixers. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio Anile=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: what about patchbay ? Apart this (it's just to share...) I know there are lot of you in = this list=20 having a big knowledge about mixers and connection systems. And as you know there may be a lot of methods to send the "played" = signal into a loop machine (bus, alternate outs, out sends, etc...) What I'd like to know is if "patchbay" (like behringer products)=20 are usefull for connect 2 or 3 stereo loop-machines, receiving = the "played " signal=20 from a source. What about ? Thanks in advantage for your suggestions. --Boundary_(ID_g9vFYt2TE2txMNDn5KIXTg) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1256 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
I can only talk from my experience with the Rane = SM82, which=20 works great, but this is the first time ever I`ve heard = anyone
claim that Behringer is generally of better quality = than the=20 Rane products. And I`ve heard a lot on many rec forums.  = :-)
 
The Rane is not perfect and a here are a couple of = threads=20 from rec.audio about changing the opamps for better sonics;
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Dno&lr=3D&rls=3DRNWE,RNWE= :2004-51,RNWE:en&threadm=3D091220032120158115%25ulyssesnospam%40rollm= usic.com&rnum=3D1&prev=3D/groups%3Fq%3Drane%2520SM82%2520upgrade%= 26hl%3Dno%26lr%3D%26rls%3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNWE:en%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg
 
http://groups= .google.com/groups?hl=3Dno&lr=3D&rls=3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNWE:en&= amp;threadm=3D375FF213.4799A194%40earthlink.net&rnum=3D2&prev=3D/= groups%3Fq%3Drane%2520SM82%2520upgrade%26hl%3Dno%26lr%3D%26rls%3DRNWE,RNW= E:2004-51,RNWE:en%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg
 
I once mailed Jim Willams regarding a possible = upgrade (I`m no=20 tech head) and the answer I got was;
"I did an extensive mod on one = of those=20 for tonmeister Andrew Lipinsky several years ago. It was OK, but it's = tiny power=20 transformer limits what quality parts can be used. It's probably not = worth the=20 money to do that much work on it unless you have stringent acoustic = recording=20 requirements.
Jim Williams
Audio=20 Upgrades"
 
You could do some of your routing ideas with a line = mixer like=20 the SM82. The stereo send and return could be used as two
mono effect loops returning to two free mono = channels rather=20 than using the effect returns. There`s good documentation on the Rane=20 site;
http://www.rane.com/sm82.html<= /FONT>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 = 11:06=20 PM
Subject: AW: what about = patchbay ?

I'd like to=20 advise against the smaller Behringer mixers...they are so cheap that = they=20 really ARE cheap. Rule of thumb: do not get one of those below the = =80100 price=20 mark. I have to admit I haven't been testing the UB series to a = greater=20 extent, but I do own two MX2642A and firmly believe that this must be = the best=20 mixer ever built for artists with lots of effects (like most of us): = six auxes=20 and four busses, a total of 26 inputs (or 8 mono ins (w/ inserts AND = direct=20 outs), 4 stereo ins, 4 aux returns and one tape return), it's a = rackmount=20 device and its patchbay (which has all the connectors mounted to it, = not the=20 usual inputs and inserts on top, outputs on the rear) can be mounted = on the=20 rear or the bottom (great for rack installation).
 
Without wanting=20 to start a flame war, I believe that Behringer gear is of a higher = quality in=20 every aspect than Rane gear. While Mackie does win over Behringer with = regard=20 to reliability, some of the Behringer stuff actually wins with regard = to audio=20 specs.
 
       =20 Rainer
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Torstein = H. Rem=20 [mailto:thelgere@online.no]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Juli = 2005=20 22:16
An: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff:=20 Re: what about patchbay ?

It\s not clear to me if you are = looking for a=20 patchbay or a line mixer.
A patch is great for routing and = making gear=20 accessible but it won`t mix = several sourches=20 down to stereo. I have a couple of the Rane SM82 line mixers and = they=20 are solid and clean sounding. = Eight stereo=20 ins, stereo send and return, balanced stereo out (if needed) etc. = The SM26=20 is a more simple version. Both = can be found=20 on ebay;
http://search.ebay.com/rane-mixer= _Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfromZR4QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ619
 
Probably several here who use = different brands=20 of line mixers as well as the smaller Mackie and Behringer=20 mixers.
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Fabio=20 Anile
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, = 2005 6:48=20 PM
Subject: what about = patchbay ?

Apart this (it's = just to=20 share...) I = know there are=20 lot of you in this list
having a big = knowledge about=20 mixers and = connection=20 systems.
And as you know = there may be=20 a lot of methods to send the "played" signal
into a loop = machine (bus,=20 alternate outs, out sends, etc...)
What I'd like to = know is=20 if "patchbay" (like behringer products)
are usefull for=20 connect 2 or 3  stereo loop-machines, receiving the = "played "=20 signal
from a = source.
 
What about = ?
Thanks in = advantage for your=20 suggestions.
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_g9vFYt2TE2txMNDn5KIXTg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 6 23:07:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67A5B3BF68; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5827F.655DD76C" Subject: RE: what about patchbay ? Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:06:51 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01189D80@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: what about patchbay ? Thread-index: AcWCfXZTKhe1+ajZTHq6htGBNqx6JAAAQW4g From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2005 23:07:04.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C96B240:01C5827F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:07:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5827F.655DD76C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've lost track of this thread, but I used to own a Rocktrock MIDI = Patchbay that was a wonderfully convenient device. It had 10 or so = independent stereo inputs-outputs, all of which could be punched in our = out via MIDI. They discontinued the unit, but it was perfect for putting = all of your stomp boxes in a rack (upright and facing out) and punching = them in and out of your mix without the whole serial chain signal = hemophelia syndrom. I don't have a use for one anymore, but I wish I had = one anyway. =20 Kris =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:thelgere@online.no]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what about patchbay ? I can only talk from my experience with the Rane SM82, which works = great, but this is the first time ever I`ve heard anyone claim that Behringer is generally of better quality than the Rane = products. And I`ve heard a lot on many rec forums. :-) =20 The Rane is not perfect and a here are a couple of threads from = rec.audio about changing the opamps for better sonics; http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Dno&lr=3D&rls=3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNW= E:en&threadm=3D091220032120158115%25ulyssesnospam%40rollmusic.com&rnum=3D= 1&prev=3D/groups%3Fq%3Drane%2520SM82%2520upgrade%26hl%3Dno%26lr%3D%26rls%= 3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNWE:en%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg =20 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Dno&lr=3D&rls=3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNW= E:en&threadm=3D375FF213.4799A194%40earthlink.net&rnum=3D2&prev=3D/groups%= 3Fq%3Drane%2520SM82%2520upgrade%26hl%3Dno%26lr%3D%26rls%3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-= 51,RNWE:en%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg =20 I once mailed Jim Willams regarding a possible upgrade (I`m no tech = head) and the answer I got was; "I did an extensive mod on one of those for tonmeister Andrew Lipinsky = several years ago. It was OK, but it's tiny power transformer limits = what quality parts can be used. It's probably not worth the money to do = that much work on it unless you have stringent acoustic recording = requirements. Jim Williams Audio Upgrades" =20 You could do some of your routing ideas with a line mixer like the SM82. = The stereo send and return could be used as two mono effect loops returning to two free mono channels rather than using = the effect returns. There`s good documentation on the Rane site; http://www.rane.com/sm82.html =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: AW: what about patchbay ? I'd like to advise against the smaller Behringer mixers...they are so = cheap that they really ARE cheap. Rule of thumb: do not get one of those = below the EUR100 price mark. I have to admit I haven't been testing the = UB series to a greater extent, but I do own two MX2642A and firmly = believe that this must be the best mixer ever built for artists with = lots of effects (like most of us): six auxes and four busses, a total of = 26 inputs (or 8 mono ins (w/ inserts AND direct outs), 4 stereo ins, 4 = aux returns and one tape return), it's a rackmount device and its = patchbay (which has all the connectors mounted to it, not the usual = inputs and inserts on top, outputs on the rear) can be mounted on the = rear or the bottom (great for rack installation). =20 Without wanting to start a flame war, I believe that Behringer gear is = of a higher quality in every aspect than Rane gear. While Mackie does = win over Behringer with regard to reliability, some of the Behringer = stuff actually wins with regard to audio specs. =20 Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:thelgere@online.no]=20 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2005 22:16 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: what about patchbay ? =09 =09 It\s not clear to me if you are looking for a patchbay or a line = mixer.=20 A patch is great for routing and making gear accessible but it won`t = mix several sourches down to stereo. I have a couple of the Rane SM82 = line mixers and they are solid and clean sounding. Eight stereo ins, = stereo send and return, balanced stereo out (if needed) etc. The SM26 is = a more simple version. Both can be found on ebay; = http://search.ebay.com/rane-mixer_Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfrom= ZR4QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ619 =20 Probably several here who use different brands of line mixers as well = as the smaller Mackie and Behringer mixers. =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio Anile =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: what about patchbay ? =09 =09 Apart this (it's just to share...) I know there are lot of you in = this list=20 having a big knowledge about mixers and connection systems. And as you know there may be a lot of methods to send the "played" = signal into a loop machine (bus, alternate outs, out sends, etc...) What I'd like to know is if "patchbay" (like behringer products)=20 are usefull for connect 2 or 3 stereo loop-machines, receiving the = "played " signal=20 from a source. =20 What about ? Thanks in advantage for your suggestions. =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5827F.655DD76C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
I've lost track of this thread, but I used to own a Rocktrock = MIDI=20 Patchbay that was a wonderfully convenient device. It had 10 or so = independent=20 stereo inputs-outputs, all of which could be punched in our out via = MIDI. They=20 discontinued the unit, but it was perfect for putting all of your stomp = boxes in=20 a rack (upright and facing out) and punching them in and out of your mix = without=20 the whole serial chain signal hemophelia syndrom. I don't have a use for = one=20 anymore, but I wish I had one anyway.
 
Kris
 
 

From: Torstein H. Rem=20 [mailto:thelgere@online.no]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 = 4:53=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re: what=20 about patchbay ?

I can only talk from my experience with the Rane = SM82, which=20 works great, but this is the first time ever I`ve heard = anyone
claim that Behringer is generally of better quality = than the=20 Rane products. And I`ve heard a lot on many rec forums.  = :-)
 
The Rane is not perfect and a here are a couple of = threads=20 from rec.audio about changing the opamps for better sonics;
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Dno&lr=3D&rls=3DRNWE,RNWE= :2004-51,RNWE:en&threadm=3D091220032120158115%25ulyssesnospam%40rollm= usic.com&rnum=3D1&prev=3D/groups%3Fq%3Drane%2520SM82%2520upgrade%= 26hl%3Dno%26lr%3D%26rls%3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNWE:en%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg
 
http://groups= .google.com/groups?hl=3Dno&lr=3D&rls=3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNWE:en&= amp;threadm=3D375FF213.4799A194%40earthlink.net&rnum=3D2&prev=3D/= groups%3Fq%3Drane%2520SM82%2520upgrade%26hl%3Dno%26lr%3D%26rls%3DRNWE,RNW= E:2004-51,RNWE:en%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg
 
I once mailed Jim Willams regarding a possible = upgrade (I`m no=20 tech head) and the answer I got was;
"I did an extensive mod on one = of those=20 for tonmeister Andrew Lipinsky several years ago. It was OK, but it's = tiny power=20 transformer limits what quality parts can be used. It's probably not = worth the=20 money to do that much work on it unless you have stringent acoustic = recording=20 requirements.
Jim Williams
Audio=20 Upgrades"
 
You could do some of your routing ideas with a line = mixer like=20 the SM82. The stereo send and return could be used as two
mono effect loops returning to two free mono = channels rather=20 than using the effect returns. There`s good documentation on the Rane=20 site;
http://www.rane.com/sm82.html<= /FONT>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 = 11:06=20 PM
Subject: AW: what about = patchbay ?

I'd like to=20 advise against the smaller Behringer mixers...they are so cheap that = they=20 really ARE cheap. Rule of thumb: do not get one of those below the = =80100 price=20 mark. I have to admit I haven't been testing the UB series to a = greater=20 extent, but I do own two MX2642A and firmly believe that this must be = the best=20 mixer ever built for artists with lots of effects (like most of us): = six auxes=20 and four busses, a total of 26 inputs (or 8 mono ins (w/ inserts AND = direct=20 outs), 4 stereo ins, 4 aux returns and one tape return), it's a = rackmount=20 device and its patchbay (which has all the connectors mounted to it, = not the=20 usual inputs and inserts on top, outputs on the rear) can be mounted = on the=20 rear or the bottom (great for rack installation).
 
Without wanting=20 to start a flame war, I believe that Behringer gear is of a higher = quality in=20 every aspect than Rane gear. While Mackie does win over Behringer with = regard=20 to reliability, some of the Behringer stuff actually wins with regard = to audio=20 specs.
 
       =20 Rainer
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Torstein = H. Rem=20 [mailto:thelgere@online.no]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Juli = 2005=20 22:16
An: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff:=20 Re: what about patchbay ?

It\s not clear to me if you are = looking for a=20 patchbay or a line mixer.
A patch is great for routing and = making gear=20 accessible but it won`t mix = several sourches=20 down to stereo. I have a couple of the Rane SM82 line mixers and = they=20 are solid and clean sounding. = Eight stereo=20 ins, stereo send and return, balanced stereo out (if needed) etc. = The SM26=20 is a more simple version. Both = can be found=20 on ebay;
http://search.ebay.com/rane-mixer= _Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfromZR4QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ619
 
Probably several here who use = different brands=20 of line mixers as well as the smaller Mackie and Behringer=20 mixers.
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Fabio=20 Anile
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, = 2005 6:48=20 PM
Subject: what about = patchbay ?

Apart this (it's = just to=20 share...) I = know there are=20 lot of you in this list
having a big = knowledge about=20 mixers and = connection=20 systems.
And as you know = there may be=20 a lot of methods to send the "played" signal
into a loop = machine (bus,=20 alternate outs, out sends, etc...)
What I'd like to = know is=20 if "patchbay" (like behringer products)
are usefull for=20 connect 2 or 3  stereo loop-machines, receiving the = "played "=20 signal
from a = source.
 
What about = ?
Thanks in = advantage for your=20 suggestions.
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C5827F.655DD76C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 7 00:39:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E74FB3BF4B; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 00:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: what about patchbay ? Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:39:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C58251.A4F998B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004c01c58267$910a9780$0200000a@remwavesnet> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 00:39:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C58251.A4F998B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just bought a rane sm82 on ebay from a teacher who had bought several for a school only to find out they didn't have a separate headphone output which he needed. He was able to sell the ranes at a loss and still have enough money to buy the behringers which he claimed were very quite, with headphone output, and had an I internal power supply which the rane does not. I'm not complaining as from my experience the rane is of excellent sound and build quality,. both units have only one effects loop but it is stereo in and out., though it doesn't allow for people with multiple loopers or effects much flexibility for resampling or processing after loopinging. Another product I have had good luck with as a mini mixer /effects blender is the DTAR solstice preamp. Though it only has a mono effects loop, it does have a separate insert for each of its two channels that can each accept either 1/4 inch or XLR with mic pre, thre band eq and phantom power. The insert points are pre effects loop which would allow for resampling capabilities if using two loopers. I really like the SM82 though it could use another effects loop, it is very transparant, easily as clean as my mackie 1402vlz. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:thelgere@online.no] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what about patchbay ? It\s not clear to me if you are looking for a patchbay or a line mixer. A patch is great for routing and making gear accessible but it won`t mix several sourches down to stereo. I have a couple of the Rane SM82 line mixers and they are solid and clean sounding. Eight stereo ins, stereo send and return, balanced stereo out (if needed) etc. The SM26 is a more simple version. Both can be found on ebay; http://search.ebay.com/rane-mixer_Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfromZ R4QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ619 Probably several here who use different brands of line mixers as well as the smaller Mackie and Behringer mixers. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fabio Anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: what about patchbay ? Apart this (it's just to share...) I know there are lot of you in this list having a big knowledge about mixers and connection systems. And as you know there may be a lot of methods to send the "played" signal into a loop machine (bus, alternate outs, out sends, etc...) What I'd like to know is if "patchbay" (like behringer products) are usefull for connect 2 or 3 stereo loop-machines, receiving the "played " signal from a source. What about ? Thanks in advantage for your suggestions. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C58251.A4F998B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just=20 bought a rane sm82 on ebay from a teacher who had bought several for a = school=20 only to find out they didn't have a separate headphone output which he = needed.=20 He was able to sell the ranes at a loss and still have enough money to = buy the=20 behringers which he claimed were very quite, with headphone = output, and had=20 an I internal power supply which the rane does not. I'm not complaining = as from=20 my experience the rane is of excellent sound and build quality,. = both units=20 have only one effects loop but it is stereo in and out., though it = doesn't allow=20 for people with multiple loopers or effects much flexibility for = resampling or=20 processing after loopinging. Another product I have had good luck with = as a mini=20 mixer /effects blender is the DTAR solstice preamp. Though it only has a = mono=20 effects loop, it does have a separate insert for each of its two = channels that=20 can each accept either 1/4 inch or XLR with mic pre, thre band eq and = phantom=20 power. The insert points are pre effects loop which would allow for = resampling=20 capabilities if using two loopers.
I=20 really like the SM82 though it could use another effects loop,  it = is very=20 transparant, easily as clean as my mackie 1402vlz.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Torstein H. Rem=20 [mailto:thelgere@online.no]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 = 1:16=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 what about patchbay ?

It\s not clear to me if you are = looking for a=20 patchbay or a line mixer.
A patch is great for routing and = making gear=20 accessible but it won`t mix several = sourches=20 down to stereo. I have a couple of the Rane SM82 line mixers and they=20 are solid and clean sounding. Eight = stereo ins,=20 stereo send and return, balanced stereo out (if needed) etc. The SM26=20 is a more simple version. Both can = be found on=20 ebay;
http://search.ebay.com/rane-mixer= _Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfromZR4QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ619
 
Probably several here who use = different brands of=20 line mixers as well as the smaller Mackie and Behringer = mixers.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fabio=20 Anile
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, = 2005 6:48=20 PM
Subject: what about patchbay = ?

Apart this (it's = just to=20 share...) I know = there are=20 lot of you in this list
having a big = knowledge about=20 mixers and = connection=20 systems.
And as you know = there may be a=20 lot of methods to send the "played" signal
into a loop machine = (bus,=20 alternate outs, out sends, etc...)
What I'd like to = know is=20 if "patchbay" (like behringer products)
are usefull for = connect 2=20 or 3  stereo loop-machines, receiving the "played " signal=20
from a = source.
 
What about = ?
Thanks in advantage = for your=20 suggestions.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C58251.A4F998B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 7 06:52:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 225DC3BF40; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050706235135.0755f400@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:53:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: New Jamman - More Than One Undo? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:52:50 +0000 (UTC) At 08:02 AM 7/5/2005, Erland wrote: >It only has one undo right? that is what I understood from reading the manual. Also no feedback control. From the manual's description of the Overdub function it also looks like there is no way to go direct into overdub from record. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 7 08:10:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E7893BF52; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050707081317.02b92300@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:53:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: what about patchbay ? In-Reply-To: <20050706230712.C18DA3BF71@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050706230712.C18DA3BF71@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:10:32 +0000 (UTC) If you want to do mods, the Behringer Ultralink isn't any good, it uses tiny surface mounted components. ( I've not had problems with the sound quality, ) The Rane units (SM82) look easy to mod, and the schematic is downloadable from their site. ...but beware, just putting in top notch op-amps in place of the standard ones isn't always going to work. A better op amp will have a better hi-frequency response, and may make the circuit unstable. (although this probably wouldn't be a problem on a line mixer, as the gain is v.low) andy butler >I can only talk from my experience with the Rane SM82, which works great, >but this is the first time ever I`ve heard anyone >claim that Behringer is generally of better quality than the Rane >products. And I`ve heard a lot on many rec forums. :-) > >The Rane is not perfect and a here are a couple of threads from rec.audio >about changing the opamps for better sonics; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 7 10:41:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A49B3BF4B; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42CD06AF.9050909@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:40:47 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ampfea.org music-bar" Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels and Afterglow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:41:10 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 7 12:34:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0E473BF5B; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003001c582f0$68d0bf40$ad985142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20050706230712.C18DA3BF71@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050707081317.02b92300@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Re: what about patchbay ? Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:35:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:34:45 +0000 (UTC) I've heard of a mod David Torn has on his SM82 which converts the stereo aux circuit into two monos? I believe I saw it here so an archive check might be in order. It may have been as far back as 98 or so... Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:53 AM Subject: Re:Re: what about patchbay ? > If you want to do mods, the Behringer Ultralink isn't any good, > it uses tiny surface mounted components. > ( I've not had problems with the sound quality, ) > > The Rane units (SM82) look easy to mod, and the schematic is downloadable > from their site. > ...but beware, just putting in top notch op-amps in place of the standard > ones isn't always going to work. A better op amp will have a better > hi-frequency response, and may make the circuit unstable. > (although this probably wouldn't be a problem on a line mixer, as the gain > is v.low) > > > andy butler > > >I can only talk from my experience with the Rane SM82, which works great, > >but this is the first time ever I`ve heard anyone > >claim that Behringer is generally of better quality than the Rane > >products. And I`ve heard a lot on many rec forums. :-) > > > >The Rane is not perfect and a here are a couple of threads from rec.audio > >about changing the opamps for better sonics; > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 7 13:56:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09D343BF52; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uOLZwqpYo1tuSEpgPJ4LZS+TgCfyU04Z3aQnJEWH+7YzzDmO1XjeeryUJ98kxeukmr/a9HSbWoUfmGN7jrqomW2XOGHPNWq6sdPJ51Y08ffXXQFFHCfLYPXkXUSWlszUW3nTYmGcUavQvoKLzrjG0GmReqxWyFouW5hffQOm8Tg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:56:36 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:Re: what about patchbay ? In-Reply-To: <003001c582f0$68d0bf40$ad985142@Biffoz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050706230712.C18DA3BF71@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050707081317.02b92300@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <003001c582f0$68d0bf40$ad985142@Biffoz> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the heads-up, Miko. I did a search, and it appears he did a mod to the SM82 whereby he turned the pan pots into additional aux sends. I imagine that meant he had to somehow split the stereo aux out into two individual mono signal streams so that the aux fader could control one and the pan pot could control the other. I may have to perform additional Google searches to find out how to go about this and determine whether it's worth modifying a $400 mixer (particularly with my sever lack of electronics skills) for my situation. Incidentally, here's DT's messages about it: http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/199910/msg00391.html and http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/199910/msg00412.html Cheers, Jon Southwood On 7/7/05, Miko Biffle wrote: > I've heard of a mod David Torn has on his SM82 which converts the stereo = aux > circuit into two monos? I believe I saw it here so an archive check might= be > in order. It may have been as far back as 98 or so... >=20 > Miko > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 7 15:16:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAFD43BF52; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZJVfMjbE1ED4WCDuh7ukle4NWocb1c9maxuJ7gFTthtE8mxZTC/MDp+IuElZE2m6Piyeivu79mkh9xqHQBOvZMPBYZRL58koZjRLCOaWQ92MjgVR4W1OTa+VN2uw9TFn+WOM0xWW1PeWfxW6qU7fPN6hiau91ggZeT9SI7WEmRs= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:16:24 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Subject: Re: what about patchbay ? Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c58272$d3017d60$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c58272$d3017d60$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I figured I'd need something for the mic prior to a line mixer. Actually, when I said line mixer, I was confusing that term. What I actually meant was the splitter/mixer units like the Ultralink. THOSE are the things I can't wrap my head around. I'll have to read through your description below a few times (and probably diagram it on paper) to get it through my thick skull. The stereo output isn't a show-stopper, though, since either of the amps I'd use has multiple inputs. These are small-venue gigs, so I can easily get by with my Peavey KB100 for amplification (maybe even the Carvin AG100D would do). So, now that I've got the terminology straight, is there an idiot's guide to splitter/mixer units anywhere? Even Google wasn't very helpful. I'll have to try a bunch of different search terms. Thanks, Jon Southwood P.S. Rainer, I believe you helped me decide on the Behringer 2642A a few years ago. I love it. It was great advice. Thanks. On 7/6/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > A line mixer cannot accomplish that by definition, as it only accepts > line signals (meaning it won't accept your mic, and be careful with the > guitar too, as the line mixer's inputs aren't usually hi-Z (this assumes > that you go into the mixer with your guitar directly, which may not be > true in your case). You'd either need a non-line mixer (meaning it has a > microphone input) and a DI, or a line mixer plus a micpre plus a DI. >=20 > I don't know of any single rackspace mixer with two auxes (a feat you'd > need to feed both the f/x and the EDP). An alternative would be a > splitter mixer like Behringer's Ultralink, which offers main ins and > outs plus four channels that can be used either as a splitter (meaning > the input signal is distributed among the outs) or as a mixer. Let's say > you send the mike via a micpre in the main L input and the guitar (via > DI) into the main R input. Channel 1 is connected to the EDP, Channel 2 > to the f/x processor, channel 3 and 4 return the EDP and the f/x > processor. Now set channels 1 and 2 to split and channels 3 and 4 to > mix, and off you go. Problem: your out is stereo, with the mic and > guitar panned hard right and left. >=20 > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 7 22:19:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEFF73BF79; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <002001c5823d$deccb220$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: New feedback-overdub looper in Ableton Live Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:19:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <-Y12oD.A.x0D.9pazCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:19:41 +0000 (UTC) For those interested in software looping with Ableton Live: There's an interesting new function in the built-in plug-in Ping-Pong Delay that freezes the delay into a loop. Unfortunately the longest delay time is only one bar. Here's a forum thread wishing for longer delay time: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22767 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 7 22:39:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 458873BF72; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d4TdIUuKi407kxFRjgwOIsk4Q4Hb+afwCty0toeQIvTJ6vXnTwnF3EL+y5V1P817OAt3hCR5ROu7J3K3EoqrGxRvDPeN9hshvufAJAn+BshR+oM6M3lA7aB0g02iLn6QREpzpdR5IVO/dJwjBott2ySOBidL+HN8rlShg6gwiTg= ; Message-ID: <20050707223948.56412.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:39:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Harmony & Matthew Subject: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-766347034-1120775988=:55977" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:39:50 +0000 (UTC) --0-766347034-1120775988=:55977 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, My name is Matthew, I have been playing guitar for 15 years, last 10 mostly acoustic, and i recently got into Keller Williams...AND, i am fired up and dying to set up a simple rig..something i can afford...i can see in former posts that the echoplex and other high end peices work nicely... well, here is my idea...i want to mic the guitar...(acoustic pickup?)...have it run through the "looper"..and a mic for my wife and i to sing...(if it could run through the looper, great, but i realize with my budget!?!)...and then have a speaker system...(amp, or small PA set up...) all for not much money...100 dollars...HAHAHA, ok, no, may 300, i know, ah, 400 with it all ready to go?!? i hear that you dont need a guitar amp with the acoustic...or even shouldnt...but i want a system to take the mic too...the singing mic that is... if i buy...say a Boss RC 20...will that work well with an acoustic...i am in the dark here...i dont know what is out there lately...and for my price range...i know, please stop laughing;) at the very least i would like to know if a regular "slap in the soundhole" pick up in my blueridge will be ok with something cheap as a RC 20...or would it be a waste of money? thank you matthew Harmony and Matthew --------------------------------- Sell on Yahoo! 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Hello,
 
My name is Matthew, I have been playing guitar for 15 years, last 10 mostly acoustic, and i recently got into Keller Williams...AND, i am fired up and dying to set up a simple rig..something i can afford...i can see in former posts that the echoplex and other high end peices work nicely...
 
well, here is my idea...i want to mic the guitar...(acoustic pickup?)...have it run through the "looper"..and  a mic for my wife and i to sing...(if it could run through the looper, great, but i realize with my budget!?!)...and then have a speaker system...(amp, or small PA set up...)  all for not much money...100 dollars...HAHAHA, ok, no, may 300, i know, ah, 400 with it all ready to go?!?  i hear that you dont need a guitar amp with the acoustic...or even shouldnt...but i want a system to take the mic too...the singing mic that is...
 
if i buy...say a Boss RC 20...will that work well with an acoustic...i am in the dark here...i dont know what is out there lately...and for my price range...i know, please stop laughing;)  at the very least i would like to know if a regular "slap in the soundhole" pick up in my blueridge will be ok with something cheap as a RC 20...or would it be a waste of money?
 
thank you
matthew


                                           Harmony and Matthew

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Bid on great items. --0-766347034-1120775988=:55977-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 7 22:47:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 115A03BF75; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <002001c5823d$deccb220$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Looking for a momentary midi pedal switch button Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:47:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <8Og7a.A.umE.EEbzCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I need some pedal that can send for example value 127 when pressed and value 0 when released (of the same MIDI #cc parameter). Anything to recommend? I already own a FCB1010 but it doesn't seem to admit momentary midi #cc switching. Yes, I know a simple sustain pedal would do - but then I would have to bring along the synth as well. Looking for something small. Must be foot manipulated. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 7 22:53:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 463033BF73; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:53:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Looking for a momentary midi pedal switch button From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Do I recall you using a JLCooper CS32? That has a momentary switch programmable pedal, I believe... I use mine on a mic stand with 32 faders at my disposal. It's been great! I'm sure others will have more pertinent info, but that came to mind immediately. T. On 7/7/05 6:47 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I need some pedal that can send for example value 127 when pressed > and value 0 when released (of the same MIDI #cc parameter). Anything > to recommend? >=20 > I already own a FCB1010 but it doesn't seem to admit momentary midi > #cc switching. Yes, I know a simple sustain pedal would do - but then > I would have to bring along the synth as well. Looking for something > small. Must be foot manipulated. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 --=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn VISIT ETHEL=B9S BRAND NEW SITE ABOVE AND CHECK OUT THE TR JJ AND ETHEL TOUR DATES, THE NEW BLOG, THE CONAN VIDEO AND MORE! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 7 23:40:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C6AF3BF75; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SLgSwEkJuSsMDr+5bBnlEG9uN2xv4LJlnqz4Ja9dHKXjsh5cuXZgxh9KCi4jfKQFcIapYSbaVP4ZtNeI0ax4SK0y7lxVVk8uSXrbmK4nG+/8St+YGg23kYBc2WUrLJftbeZtXifDl64F36g8bxqiPVsodTISK1j1vZfvtnl/UpI= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:39:59 -0700 From: Neil Goldstein Reply-To: Neil Goldstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New feedback-overdub looper in Ableton Live In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002001c5823d$deccb220$2101a8c0@alhambra> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the pointer! I've been beta-testing Live 5 too. Still not much more live looping support, but I love the ability to change loop start, end and move by cycle--all by assignable beat subdivision increments with midi or PC control--and the ability to record those changes to the arrange.. Neil On 7/7/05, Per Boysen wrote: > For those interested in software looping with Ableton Live: There's > an interesting new function in the built-in plug-in Ping-Pong Delay > that freezes the delay into a loop. Unfortunately the longest delay > time is only one bar. Here's a forum thread wishing for longer delay > time: > http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D22767 >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 03:46:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B83CC3BF79; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 03:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=TziR0EPpjByxELJjXZUU4tFIz2gzBbMwRx8y4G4CuwPVo4jxwSEhp+wHsxQdURAi; Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:56:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Fwd: Kaiser/Killian in Santa Cruz From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4D2DA65D-EF64-11D9-BA08-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd487a6fbe086dcd5826fcc727452954256978c914e01878b5fc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.115.7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 03:46:45 +0000 (UTC) FYI for those in the area. > > July 10, 2005 > > Jeff Kaiser live solo performance on KUSP, Santa Cruz > 2-3pm > > ****AND**** > > July 10, 2005 > 7-10 pm > > Second Sundays Live Looping Series: > Indy Pendance Day Show > > Jeff Kaiser and Ted Killian > (trumpet/electronics and guitars/electronics) > > Location: The ATTIC, 931 Pacific Ave. Santa Cruz > Admission free, all ages > > produced by ghost7 > www.envelopeproductions.com > executive producer Rick Walker=00 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 10:51:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE0F13BF7C; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005301c583aa$f82747d0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <004901c5824a$9335e220$040a0a0a@fabio> Subject: what about patchbay ? Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 12:51:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C583BB.BB795060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <3EewkD.A.4yE.wqlzCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:51:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C583BB.BB795060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi loopers, sorry for the delay, but i've got a strong virus in my PC, and I've = solved the problem just now. That's just to thank to all of you that gave me usefull suggestions = about the utility of a patchbay in a looping context. Fabio http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C583BB.BB795060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = loopers,
sorry for the delay, = but i've got a=20 strong virus in my PC, and I've solved the problem just = now.
That's just to = thank to all of=20 you that gave me usefull suggestions about the utility of a = patchbay in a=20 looping context.
 
Fabio
 
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
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------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C583BB.BB795060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 13:35:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C7B63BF77; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C583C1.DD4AF5B2" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:35:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" Thread-Index: AcWDRQtTK2sdxODkQeWtueAsKgtq0gAdlS6Q From: "Brian" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:35:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C583C1.DD4AF5B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome Matthew, I think your budget is an obstacle for what you are = trying to accomplish. Hopefully you already have the guitar pickup (and = as for the slap in the hole kind, if you can tolerate the tone it = produces normally, it will be fine, if you don't like it, then just = picture having to hear multiples of it. Personally I've never heard one = other than the Sunrise, which is quite expensive, that I could tolerate = for any length of time). =20 =20 An RC-20 will work fine with an acoustic, depending on what features you = need to have. If you want features like progressive undo and multiply, = I'm pretty sure you are going to have to spend more money (check the = owners manual/or loopers delight page on-line for the features). If you = want to run guitar and vocals though a looper you are going to need a = mixer in front of the looper, and with your budget I'm not sure you are = going to be able to afford one that has the capabilities to also route = out to a PA as well with some clever signal chain management.....so you = may have to hold off on that idea and just run your guitar through the = looper, buy the cheapest 4 channel mixer you can find and output it into = the cheapest PA you can find (a guitar amp will not produce satisfactory = results with the guitar and 2 vocals). =20 =20 Given your price limitations, you may need to cut corners everywhere. I = believe the Akai Headrush is the cheapest looper on the market <$200, = you may want to see if this could possibly fit your needs though the = RC-20 has longer record times and loop storage capabilities. =20 =20 I think you are probably going to have to invest more than $400, if all = you have right now is a guitar without a pickup. Especially if you = intend to use this rig in a public place. If you are going to use this = for practice purposes and then have access to a PA at a gig, then you = might want to hold off on the PA and get a mixer with 2 headphone outs, = and use that to practice until you can afford to really buy some decent = equipment. Just throwing out ideas here. =20 And for a K-Dub (Keller Williams) fix, if you are not aware of it you = need to check out this site: www.archive.org/audio then go to the = live music archive part, there you will find over 100 K-Dub shows in = lossless compression for FREE. I also recommend checking out Brock = Butler on the site as well, he also uses a looping device (start out = with the SBD source show). =20 =20 Hope this helps. =20 =20 Brian =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Harmony & Matthew [mailto:mattshead@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 6:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" Hello, =20 My name is Matthew, I have been playing guitar for 15 years, last 10 = mostly acoustic, and i recently got into Keller Williams...AND, i am = fired up and dying to set up a simple rig..something i can afford...i = can see in former posts that the echoplex and other high end peices work = nicely... =20 well, here is my idea...i want to mic the guitar...(acoustic = pickup?)...have it run through the "looper"..and a mic for my wife and = i to sing...(if it could run through the looper, great, but i realize = with my budget!?!)...and then have a speaker system...(amp, or small PA = set up...) all for not much money...100 dollars...HAHAHA, ok, no, may = 300, i know, ah, 400 with it all ready to go?!? i hear that you dont = need a guitar amp with the acoustic...or even shouldnt...but i want a = system to take the mic too...the singing mic that is... =20 if i buy...say a Boss RC 20...will that work well with an acoustic...i = am in the dark here...i dont know what is out there lately...and for my = price range...i know, please stop laughing;) at the very least i would = like to know if a regular "slap in the soundhole" pick up in my = blueridge will be ok with something cheap as a RC 20...or would it be a = waste of money? =20 thank you=20 matthew = Harmony and = Matthew =20 _____ =20 Sell = on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C583C1.DD4AF5B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Welcome Matthew,
       &nbs= p;        =20 I think your budget is an obstacle for what you are trying to = accomplish. =20 Hopefully you already have the guitar pickup (and as for the slap in the = hole=20 kind, if you can tolerate the tone it produces normally, it will be = fine, if you=20 don't like it, then just picture having to hear multiples of it. =20 Personally I've never heard one other than the Sunrise, which is quite=20 expensive, that I could tolerate for any length of time). =20
 
An=20 RC-20 will work fine with an acoustic, depending on what features you = need to=20 have.  If you want features like progressive undo and multiply, I'm = pretty=20 sure you are going to have to spend more money (check the owners = manual/or=20 loopers delight page on-line for the features).  If you want to run = guitar=20 and vocals though a looper you are going to need a mixer in front of the = looper,=20 and with your budget I'm not sure you are going to be able to afford one = that=20 has the capabilities to also route out to a PA as well with some clever = signal=20 chain management.....so you may have to hold off on that idea and just = run your=20 guitar through the looper, buy the cheapest 4 channel mixer you can find = and=20 output it into the cheapest PA you can find (a guitar amp will not = produce=20 satisfactory results with the guitar and 2 vocals).  =
 
Given=20 your price limitations, you may need to cut corners everywhere.  I = believe=20 the Akai Headrush is the cheapest looper on the market <$200, you may = want to=20 see if this could possibly fit your needs though the RC-20 has longer = record=20 times and loop storage capabilities. 
 
I=20 think you are probably going to have to invest more than $400, if all = you have=20 right now is a guitar without a pickup.  Especially if you intend = to use=20 this rig in a public place.  If you are going to use this for = practice=20 purposes and then have access to a PA at a gig, then you might want to = hold off=20 on the PA and get a mixer with 2 headphone outs, and use that to = practice until=20 you can afford to really buy some decent equipment.  Just throwing = out=20 ideas here.
 
And=20 for a K-Dub (Keller Williams) fix, if you are not aware of it you need = to check=20 out this site:   www.archive.org/audio &nbs= p; then=20 go to the live music archive part, there you will find over 100 K-Dub = shows in=20 lossless compression for FREE.  I also recommend checking out Brock = Butler=20 on the site as well, he also uses a looping device (start out with the = SBD=20 source show). 
 
Hope=20 this helps. 
 
Brian

 
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Harmony & Matthew [mailto:mattshead@yahoo.com]
Sent: = Thursday,=20 July 07, 2005 6:40 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Acoustic = questions and=20 "Hello!"

Hello,
 
My name is Matthew, I have been playing guitar for 15 years, = last 10=20 mostly acoustic, and i recently got into Keller Williams...AND, i am = fired up=20 and dying to set up a simple rig..something i can afford...i can see = in former=20 posts that the echoplex and other high end peices work nicely...
 
well, here is my idea...i want to mic the guitar...(acoustic=20 pickup?)...have it run through the "looper"..and  a mic for my = wife and i=20 to sing...(if it could run through the looper, great, but i realize = with my=20 budget!?!)...and then have a speaker system...(amp, or small PA set=20 up...)  all for not much money...100 dollars...HAHAHA, ok, no, = may 300, i=20 know, ah, 400 with it all ready to go?!?  i hear that you dont = need a=20 guitar amp with the acoustic...or even shouldnt...but i want a system = to take=20 the mic too...the singing mic that is...
 
if i buy...say a Boss RC 20...will that work well with an = acoustic...i am=20 in the dark here...i dont know what is out there lately...and for my = price=20 range...i know, please stop laughing;)  at the very least i would = like to=20 know if a regular "slap in the soundhole" pick up in my blueridge will = be ok=20 with something cheap as a RC 20...or would it be a waste of = money?
 
thank you
matthew


         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;         Harmony=20 and Matthew

Sell=20 on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great = items.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C583C1.DD4AF5B2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 14:58:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CB623BF86; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 8 Jul 2005 14:58:31 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:58:31 -0500 Subject: Gig Spam: Lumper/Splitter in Santa Cruz, Sunday 10th X-Originating-Ip: 69.110.46.123 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050708145831.208D5C6119@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Loopers- Free show this Sunday in Santa Cruz. We are very excited to be playing at = a show presented by the Second Sundays Live Looping Series, on=20 a bill with Orange (with special guest Rick Walker on drums) and Ted Killia= n & Jeff Kaiser. We have a new live CD that we will be hawking=20 and plan to perform an improvisation tentatively based on the theme "The Wi= ndstick Devil Bleeps my Bloop." Ahhh....where is Gene=20 Rayburn when you need him? If you attend and are a Loopers-Delight member, please introduce yourself. = It would be nice to attach some faces on names. Sunday July 10 7-10 pm=20 Location: The ATTIC, 931 Pacific Ave. Santa Cruz Admission free, all ages Joe Rut lumper/splitter --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 15:02:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E8283BF84; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42CE9584.2050501@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:02:28 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ampfea.org music-bar" , Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #433 for July 7, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7wMyAC.A.EkB.ZWpzCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:02:50 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050707.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #433 July 7, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on the music-bar mailing list. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Navisto - The Flute Sessions" which is a unique CDR provided exclusively to Galactic Travels. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Paradise" by Robert Schroder on Racket Records, released in 1983. music-bar - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jul PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Robert Schroder Balance Paradise (Racket) Robert Schroder Future Memories Paradise (Racket) Brian Parnham Tread to Trail Between Here & There (Floating Point) Brian Parnham From Rush to Rust Between Here & There (Floating Point) Brian Parnham Here & Gone Between Here & There (Floating Point) Odyssey and Sequence Space Project Psilon (r. s. records) Remote Spaces music-barians Mushroom Concepts Navisto - The Flute Sessions 12:00 am music-barians Power Chords Navisto - The Flute Sessions music-barians Clavionder Navisto - The Flute Sessions music-barians Space Flute Navisto - The Flute Sessions music-barians Bells & Guitar Navisto - The Flute Sessions music-barians Sequencer & Bass Navisto - The Flute Sessions music-barians Drums & Guitar Navisto - The Flute Sessions 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on the music-bar mailing list. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Malta Sessions" from 2004. This is a unique CDR provided exclusively to Galactic Travels. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Pure Gamma" by Pure Gamma on Defective Records, released in 1994. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Sevice Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 17:11:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F5B33BFA0; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-22455-1120842684-0001-2" Message-Id: <42CEB344.00009B.03072@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:09:24 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: YaHoooooE! X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <-IvwK.A.pDG.CPrzCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:11:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_serpico.real.com-22455-1120842684-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-22455-1120842684-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_serpico.real.com-22455-1120842684-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0D YaHooooooE!=0D =0D I just finished my disc. 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YaHooooooE!
   
        I just finished my disc. I hav= e been working on it form more than 18 months. I'd like to thank = you all. Discussions and example provided by you all helped me a lot for = formulate and complete this project.
        
        This is not a Loop disc like m= ost. I combined the concept of Found Sound Composition with Loop Music to= produce what I have always wanted to try, the restructuring of sound to = create music...
 
        Now, here's the ask: I'd love = some comment. I am not sure about the marketability of this project. I ma= ybe only me that likes this stuff. Please, if you can find the time, list= en and send me some feed back. I have a thick skin.
 
 
 
Each song is treated more like a movement with chorus joining them t= ogether. The chorus are used like Greek chorus appearing to move the stor= y along. That's all I'll say.....it's some what a concept project.
 
Thank you!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

--=_serpico.real.com-22455-1120842684-0001-3-- --=_serpico.real.com-22455-1120842684-0001-2 Content-Type: image/gif; name="reallogo.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: R0lGODlhSwAnAMQAABcUEc/f7IuKiABXmqmnpl9dWzMzM1CMuq/K3////4CrzUCBsyBsp5mZmcbF xFBOTOLi4X17evHx8SYjIHChxp/A2dTU00NAPhBioLa1tDB3rd/q8mCWwL/V5mZmZv4BAiH5BAUU AB8ALAAAAABLACcAAAX/YCKOZGmeaKqubLshyrEwQz0wy6EgW+v/PgSHZisabZhDRQJsAgMczHFK rR0Qziyqs6h6qwyFFgVxmM0nCeer0SkUlfdbBsaOSQ+AHnAxdaRTGhQdPgEVB1MUdyN7ehElFVMY HD1ZGwoLFHJviw6NABkkkUccTIunJgKfpgkBRxiEKQQCtAIECQQFBhOhIhYRDxcADwUErCQQDQ8G ewYPEQ54jX0jGkYYASvMex55ehNMDsKf3w0lDeSfHoyNjyIdR9kqEOl7Arj1jfciBJ/OE59ueWrU K8GaImJW9KsHLsMnARAkoGsEQcQ2RyIkXARwT1UjVkRsVFLhwR+BihAs/2zcJ8KbHnMpBu655ZIP iSMtNk6oOMJCPnIsMwgo8CBYOgsJPrkTgXMFvXbnfn4y1wCg1AkJZOopmMBakWMnFu6JRsKjHgO1 0taCYFbPhQgCMhSwCqBAgrYAjh20UWFFyUYmxAIwoK2RXRFP95irSW2EqyIYwJbY+MCEBLp1zeC9 9elCRQvj9iBVagJREQ2SET8MKxXAugQb82HVCspyyBoa5JUQDIBsYMyNJrC0AJxP6Lp3V1UtEQAQ koQkHKhVCKzog7iWG3S7Hq1B2mizalHFyvx2jTCpUalPY5rUkiYSNimgQCH9+hEInB/RwEFBB90o KKDfAIrcx0J8A34BYHMF5jEQi4EtSFCBV18wMAIXR9QHoRMBUGCeEX1t0J4NDm54xwYVcNBFEQxs sFcRGpqo3gYddEChERo8KON6EiQ4AHQ73vcibgAGOeM1QBq53ogLjKTkevDUgEFfT0K44gFOVqle JBjYoaWBFBxg35dkBhkCADs= --=_serpico.real.com-22455-1120842684-0001-2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 17:37:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5F3B3BF97; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Rane, Behringer and other names... Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:38:46 +0200 Message-ID: <002501c583e3$e52773b0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000e01c5827d$709bd1b0$0200000a@remwavesnet> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Torstein, I have to apologize for making a statement where I can't say anything about its content of truth: I simply confused Rane and Rolls. I do not have any experience with devices by Rane myself, so I simply can't comment on this. On the other hand, I've come to the conclusion that a lot of the statements about Behringer products on a great many rec forums are not exactly matter-of-factly. A lot of these discussions actually reached the Godwin-propability of 1 very quickly.=20 The problem with Behringer gear is that you cannot be sure what to expect. Some of their stuff is great, not only for the price, but also in comparison with products in a different price range. Some of their stuff is simply crap and not worth the few bucks they charge for it. And with some of the stuff it depends on your application: if a Behringer console lasts for more than a dozen years (and is still fine) in its specific application (hobbyist home use), then I can live without the better reliability of, say, a Mackie which costs three times its price, especially when the Behringer actually outperforms the Mackie with regard to specifications. I've used and/or test-driven a great lot of Behringer devices - if anyone wants some first-hand experience, please mail me off-list with your specific enquiry. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:thelgere@online.no]=20 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Juli 2005 00:53 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: what about patchbay ? I can only talk from my experience with the Rane SM82, which works great, but this is the first time ever I`ve heard anyone claim that Behringer is generally of better quality than the Rane products. And I`ve heard a lot on many rec forums. :-) The Rane is not perfect and a here are a couple of threads from rec.audio about changing the opamps for better sonics; http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Dno&lr=3D&rls=3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNW= E:en& threadm=3D091220032120158115%25ulyssesnospam%40rollmusic.com&rnum=3D1&pre= v=3D/ groups%3Fq%3Drane%2520SM82%2520upgrade%26hl%3Dno%26lr%3D%26rls%3DRNWE,RN WE:2004-51,RNWE:en%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Dno&lr=3D&rls=3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNW= E:en& threadm=3D375FF213.4799A194%40earthlink.net&rnum=3D2&prev=3D/groups%3Fq%3= Drane %2520SM82%2520upgrade%26hl%3Dno%26lr%3D%26rls%3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNWE:e n%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg I once mailed Jim Willams regarding a possible upgrade (I`m no tech head) and the answer I got was; "I did an extensive mod on one of those for tonmeister Andrew Lipinsky several years ago. It was OK, but it's tiny power transformer limits what quality parts can be used. It's probably not worth the money to do that much work on it unless you have stringent acoustic recording requirements. Jim Williams Audio Upgrades" You could do some of your routing ideas with a line mixer like the SM82. The stereo send and return could be used as two mono effect loops returning to two free mono channels rather than using the effect returns. There`s good documentation on the Rane site; http://www.rane.com/sm82.html ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: AW: what about patchbay ? I'd like to advise against the smaller Behringer mixers...they are so cheap that they really ARE cheap. Rule of thumb: do not get one of those below the =80100 price mark. I have to admit I haven't been testing the = UB series to a greater extent, but I do own two MX2642A and firmly believe that this must be the best mixer ever built for artists with lots of effects (like most of us): six auxes and four busses, a total of 26 inputs (or 8 mono ins (w/ inserts AND direct outs), 4 stereo ins, 4 aux returns and one tape return), it's a rackmount device and its patchbay (which has all the connectors mounted to it, not the usual inputs and inserts on top, outputs on the rear) can be mounted on the rear or the bottom (great for rack installation). Without wanting to start a flame war, I believe that Behringer gear is of a higher quality in every aspect than Rane gear. While Mackie does win over Behringer with regard to reliability, some of the Behringer stuff actually wins with regard to audio specs. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:thelgere@online.no]=20 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2005 22:16 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: what about patchbay ? It\s not clear to me if you are looking for a patchbay or a line mixer.=20 A patch is great for routing and making gear accessible but it won`t mix several sourches down to stereo. I have a couple of the Rane SM82 line mixers and they are solid and clean sounding. Eight stereo ins, stereo send and return, balanced stereo out (if needed) etc. The SM26 is a more simple version. Both can be found on ebay; http://search.ebay.com/rane-mixer_Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfro mZR4QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ619 Probably several here who use different brands of line mixers as well as the smaller Mackie and Behringer mixers. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio Anile=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: what about patchbay ? Apart this (it's just to share...) I know there are lot of you in this list=20 having a big knowledge about mixers and connection systems. And as you know there may be a lot of methods to send the "played" signal into a loop machine (bus, alternate outs, out sends, etc...) What I'd like to know is if "patchbay" (like behringer products)=20 are usefull for connect 2 or 3 stereo loop-machines, receiving the "played " signal=20 from a source. What about ? Thanks in advantage for your suggestions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 18:08:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FADE3BF40; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:10:42 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" To: Brian , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005801c583e8$7985f280$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+t/cK6TqDU38nZ8FTYUDFw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:08:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_+t/cK6TqDU38nZ8FTYUDFw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Nice reply, Brian - you covered a lot of good ground for Matthew. I'd only add that, for looping tools, the Boss DD-20 blows the Headrush away at the same price point. Matthew should take a few minutes to scan the Loopers Delight web site, particularly "Tools of the Trade" for more hardware info. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" Welcome Matthew, I think your budget is an obstacle for what you are trying to accomplish. Hopefully you already have the guitar pickup (and as for the slap in the hole kind, if you can tolerate the tone it produces normally, it will be fine, if you don't like it, then just picture having to hear multiples of it. Personally I've never heard one other than the Sunrise, which is quite expensive, that I could tolerate for any length of time). An RC-20 will work fine with an acoustic, depending on what features you need to have. If you want features like progressive undo and multiply, I'm pretty sure you are going to have to spend more money (check the owners manual/or loopers delight page on-line for the features). If you want to run guitar and vocals though a looper you are going to need a mixer in front of the looper, and with your budget I'm not sure you are going to be able to afford one that has the capabilities to also route out to a PA as well with some clever signal chain management.....so you may have to hold off on that idea and just run your guitar through the looper, buy the cheapest 4 channel mixer you can find and output it into the cheapest PA you can find (a guitar amp will not produce satisfactory results with the guitar and 2 vocals). Given your price limitations, you may need to cut corners everywhere. I believe the Akai Headrush is the cheapest looper on the market <$200, you may want to see if this could possibly fit your needs though the RC-20 has longer record times and loop storage capabilities. I think you are probably going to have to invest more than $400, if all you have right now is a guitar without a pickup. Especially if you intend to use this rig in a public place. If you are going to use this for practice purposes and then have access to a PA at a gig, then you might want to hold off on the PA and get a mixer with 2 headphone outs, and use that to practice until you can afford to really buy some decent equipment. Just throwing out ideas here. And for a K-Dub (Keller Williams) fix, if you are not aware of it you need to check out this site: www.archive.org/audio then go to the live music archive part, there you will find over 100 K-Dub shows in lossless compression for FREE. I also recommend checking out Brock Butler on the site as well, he also uses a looping device (start out with the SBD source show). Hope this helps. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Harmony & Matthew [mailto:mattshead@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 6:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" Hello, My name is Matthew, I have been playing guitar for 15 years, last 10 mostly acoustic, and i recently got into Keller Williams...AND, i am fired up and dying to set up a simple rig..something i can afford...i can see in former posts that the echoplex and other high end peices work nicely... well, here is my idea...i want to mic the guitar...(acoustic pickup?)...have it run through the "looper"..and a mic for my wife and i to sing...(if it could run through the looper, great, but i realize with my budget!?!)...and then have a speaker system...(amp, or small PA set up...) all for not much money...100 dollars...HAHAHA, ok, no, may 300, i know, ah, 400 with it all ready to go?!? i hear that you dont need a guitar amp with the acoustic...or even shouldnt...but i want a system to take the mic too...the singing mic that is... if i buy...say a Boss RC 20...will that work well with an acoustic...i am in the dark here...i dont know what is out there lately...and for my price range...i know, please stop laughing;) at the very least i would like to know if a regular "slap in the soundhole" pick up in my blueridge will be ok with something cheap as a RC 20...or would it be a waste of money? thank you matthew Harmony and Matthew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sell on Yahoo! 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Nice reply, Brian - you covered a lot of good ground for Matthew. I'd only add that, for looping tools, the Boss DD-20 blows the Headrush away at the same price point. Matthew should take a few minutes to scan the Loopers Delight web site, particularly "Tools of the Trade" for more hardware info.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
--- Hunter S. Thompson
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: Acoustic questions and "Hello!"

Welcome Matthew,
                 I think your budget is an obstacle for what you are trying to accomplish.  Hopefully you already have the guitar pickup (and as for the slap in the hole kind, if you can tolerate the tone it produces normally, it will be fine, if you don't like it, then just picture having to hear multiples of it.  Personally I've never heard one other than the Sunrise, which is quite expensive, that I could tolerate for any length of time). 
 
An RC-20 will work fine with an acoustic, depending on what features you need to have.  If you want features like progressive undo and multiply, I'm pretty sure you are going to have to spend more money (check the owners manual/or loopers delight page on-line for the features).  If you want to run guitar and vocals though a looper you are going to need a mixer in front of the looper, and with your budget I'm not sure you are going to be able to afford one that has the capabilities to also route out to a PA as well with some clever signal chain management.....so you may have to hold off on that idea and just run your guitar through the looper, buy the cheapest 4 channel mixer you can find and output it into the cheapest PA you can find (a guitar amp will not produce satisfactory results with the guitar and 2 vocals). 
 
Given your price limitations, you may need to cut corners everywhere.  I believe the Akai Headrush is the cheapest looper on the market <$200, you may want to see if this could possibly fit your needs though the RC-20 has longer record times and loop storage capabilities. 
 
I think you are probably going to have to invest more than $400, if all you have right now is a guitar without a pickup.  Especially if you intend to use this rig in a public place.  If you are going to use this for practice purposes and then have access to a PA at a gig, then you might want to hold off on the PA and get a mixer with 2 headphone outs, and use that to practice until you can afford to really buy some decent equipment.  Just throwing out ideas here.
 
And for a K-Dub (Keller Williams) fix, if you are not aware of it you need to check out this site:   www.archive.org/audio   then go to the live music archive part, there you will find over 100 K-Dub shows in lossless compression for FREE.  I also recommend checking out Brock Butler on the site as well, he also uses a looping device (start out with the SBD source show). 
 
Hope this helps. 
 
Brian

 
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Harmony & Matthew [mailto:mattshead@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 6:40 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Acoustic questions and "Hello!"

Hello,
 
My name is Matthew, I have been playing guitar for 15 years, last 10 mostly acoustic, and i recently got into Keller Williams...AND, i am fired up and dying to set up a simple rig..something i can afford...i can see in former posts that the echoplex and other high end peices work nicely...
 
well, here is my idea...i want to mic the guitar...(acoustic pickup?)...have it run through the "looper"..and  a mic for my wife and i to sing...(if it could run through the looper, great, but i realize with my budget!?!)...and then have a speaker system...(amp, or small PA set up...)  all for not much money...100 dollars...HAHAHA, ok, no, may 300, i know, ah, 400 with it all ready to go?!?  i hear that you dont need a guitar amp with the acoustic...or even shouldnt...but i want a system to take the mic too...the singing mic that is...
 
if i buy...say a Boss RC 20...will that work well with an acoustic...i am in the dark here...i dont know what is out there lately...and for my price range...i know, please stop laughing;)  at the very least i would like to know if a regular "slap in the soundhole" pick up in my blueridge will be ok with something cheap as a RC 20...or would it be a waste of money?
 
thank you
matthew


                                           Harmony and Matthew

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--Boundary_(ID_+t/cK6TqDU38nZ8FTYUDFw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 18:29:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B65863BF67; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C583EA.FE5A3A14" Subject: RE: YaHoooooE! Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 12:29:35 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A071@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: YaHoooooE! Thread-index: AcWD4Bg3itbsL72vQYm8oVG1dTrENQABg7qg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2005 18:29:36.0864 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEB2BE00:01C583EA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:29:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C583EA.FE5A3A14 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C583EA.FE5A3A14" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C583EA.FE5A3A14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really like the subject matter of the narration in the intro, and the whole series of songs in fact. From healthy skepticism to transcendental metaphysics. Who is the older woman speaking? I also enjoy very much the combination of genres....and then on to hedonism and astrophysics, ultimate singularities, the big bang, the holographic universe theory, jazz, string theory and curled up dimensions, etc. Interesting stuff, all some of my favorite topics. I like what you've done with the music to compliment the concepts as well. ...first time I've heard sex and physics combined this way before. Did I hear Howard Zinn and a quote regarding class struggle and history from his Peoples' History of the US? Sounds like a C-Span edition where he was lecturing. =20 Some of the narrations sound as if you are having a voice program read a script from an article or book, such as the PDF text to voice feature....gives it an amost Stephen Hawking sort of feel. =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com]=20 Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: YaHoooooE! =09 =20 =20 YaHooooooE! =20 I just finished my disc. I have been working on it form more than 18 months. I'd like to thank you all. Discussions and example provided by you all helped me a lot for formulate and complete this project.=20 =20 This is not a Loop disc like most. I combined the concept of Found Sound Composition with Loop Music to produce what I have always wanted to try, the restructuring of sound to create music... =20 Now, here's the ask: I'd love some comment. I am not sure about the marketability of this project. I maybe only me that likes this stuff. Please, if you can find the time, listen and send me some feed back. I have a thick skin.=20 =20 http://chickiboom.com/records/index.html =20 =20 Each song is treated more like a movement with chorus joining them together. The chorus are used like Greek chorus appearing to move the story along. That's all I'll say.....it's some what a concept project.=20 =20 Thank you! =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =09 ------_=_NextPart_002_01C583EA.FE5A3A14 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I really like the subject matter of the = narration in=20 the intro, and the whole series of songs in fact.  From = healthy=20 skepticism to transcendental metaphysics. Who is the older woman = speaking? I=20 also enjoy very much the combination of genres....and then on to = hedonism and=20 astrophysics, ultimate singularities, the big bang, the holographic = universe=20 theory, jazz, string theory and curled up dimensions,=20 etc.  Interesting stuff, all some of my favorite topics.  = I like=20 what you've done with the music to compliment the concepts as = well. =20 ...first time I've heard sex and physics combined this way before.  = Did I=20 hear Howard Zinn and a quote regarding class struggle and history from = his=20 Peoples' History of the US? Sounds like a C-Span edition where he was=20 lecturing.
 
Some of the narrations sound as if you are = having a=20 voice program read a script from an article or book, such as the PDF = text to=20 voice feature....gives it an amost Stephen Hawking sort of=20 feel.
 
Kris
 

From: Sony Felberg = [mailto:sony@real.com]=20
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:09 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 YaHoooooE!

3D""
 
 
YaHooooooE!
   
        I just finished my = disc. I have=20 been working on it form more than 18 months. I'd like to = thank you=20 all. Discussions and example provided by you all helped me a lot = for=20 formulate and complete this project.
        
        This is not a Loop disc = like=20 most. I combined the concept of Found Sound Composition with Loop = Music to=20 produce what I have always wanted to try, the restructuring of = sound to=20 create music...
 
        Now, here's the ask: = I'd love=20 some comment. I am not sure about the marketability of this = project. I=20 maybe only me that likes this stuff. Please, if you can find the = time,=20 listen and send me some feed back. I have a thick skin.
 
http://chickiboom.com/r= ecords/index.html
 
 
Each song is treated more like a movement with chorus joining = them=20 together. The chorus are used like Greek chorus appearing to move = the=20 story along. That's all I'll say.....it's some what a concept = project.=20
 
Thank you!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:35:30 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" Thread-Index: AcWD6FfV7txgaCdrTC6wZJXi9eD5lQAAOBqg From: "Brian" To: "Douglas Baldwin" , Resent-Message-ID: <_9Ce2.A.6OB.EcszCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:33:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C583EB.D13AF0C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good information.....I know my friend got a Headrush for $160 (with tax) = a little while ago, and I was thinking the DD-20 was more like $225, but = the DD-20 is definitely a step up, in features, and if he can find one = that fits the budget, I second the choice. The tools of the trade page = is an invaluable resource, but beware, I had to invest in an Echoplex = because of that page. :) =20 -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:11 PM To: Brian; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" Nice reply, Brian - you covered a lot of good ground for Matthew. I'd = only add that, for looping tools, the Boss DD-20 blows the Headrush away = at the same price point. Matthew should take a few minutes to scan the = Loopers Delight web site, particularly "Tools of the Trade" for more = hardware info.=20 Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net =20 "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic = hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. = There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" Welcome Matthew, I think your budget is an obstacle for what you are = trying to accomplish. Hopefully you already have the guitar pickup (and = as for the slap in the hole kind, if you can tolerate the tone it = produces normally, it will be fine, if you don't like it, then just = picture having to hear multiples of it. Personally I've never heard one = other than the Sunrise, which is quite expensive, that I could tolerate = for any length of time). =20 =20 An RC-20 will work fine with an acoustic, depending on what features you = need to have. If you want features like progressive undo and multiply, = I'm pretty sure you are going to have to spend more money (check the = owners manual/or loopers delight page on-line for the features). If you = want to run guitar and vocals though a looper you are going to need a = mixer in front of the looper, and with your budget I'm not sure you are = going to be able to afford one that has the capabilities to also route = out to a PA as well with some clever signal chain management.....so you = may have to hold off on that idea and just run your guitar through the = looper, buy the cheapest 4 channel mixer you can find and output it into = the cheapest PA you can find (a guitar amp will not produce satisfactory = results with the guitar and 2 vocals). =20 =20 Given your price limitations, you may need to cut corners everywhere. I = believe the Akai Headrush is the cheapest looper on the market <$200, = you may want to see if this could possibly fit your needs though the = RC-20 has longer record times and loop storage capabilities. =20 =20 I think you are probably going to have to invest more than $400, if all = you have right now is a guitar without a pickup. Especially if you = intend to use this rig in a public place. If you are going to use this = for practice purposes and then have access to a PA at a gig, then you = might want to hold off on the PA and get a mixer with 2 headphone outs, = and use that to practice until you can afford to really buy some decent = equipment. Just throwing out ideas here. =20 And for a K-Dub (Keller Williams) fix, if you are not aware of it you = need to check out this site: www.archive.org/audio then go to the = live music archive part, there you will find over 100 K-Dub shows in = lossless compression for FREE. I also recommend checking out Brock = Butler on the site as well, he also uses a looping device (start out = with the SBD source show). =20 =20 Hope this helps. =20 =20 Brian =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Harmony & Matthew [mailto:mattshead@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 6:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" Hello, =20 My name is Matthew, I have been playing guitar for 15 years, last 10 = mostly acoustic, and i recently got into Keller Williams...AND, i am = fired up and dying to set up a simple rig..something i can afford...i = can see in former posts that the echoplex and other high end peices work = nicely... =20 well, here is my idea...i want to mic the guitar...(acoustic = pickup?)...have it run through the "looper"..and a mic for my wife and = i to sing...(if it could run through the looper, great, but i realize = with my budget!?!)...and then have a speaker system...(amp, or small PA = set up...) all for not much money...100 dollars...HAHAHA, ok, no, may = 300, i know, ah, 400 with it all ready to go?!? i hear that you dont = need a guitar amp with the acoustic...or even shouldnt...but i want a = system to take the mic too...the singing mic that is... =20 if i buy...say a Boss RC 20...will that work well with an acoustic...i = am in the dark here...i dont know what is out there lately...and for my = price range...i know, please stop laughing;) at the very least i would = like to know if a regular "slap in the soundhole" pick up in my = blueridge will be ok with something cheap as a RC 20...or would it be a = waste of money? =20 thank you=20 matthew = Harmony and = Matthew =20 _____ =20 Sell = on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C583EB.D13AF0C2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good=20 information.....I know my friend got a Headrush for $160 (with tax) a = little=20 while ago, and I was thinking the DD-20 was more like $225, but the = DD-20 is=20 definitely a step up, in features, and if he can find one that fits = the=20 budget, I second the choice.  The tools of the trade page is = an=20 invaluable resource, but beware, I had to invest in an Echoplex because = of that=20 page.   :) 
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Baldwin=20 [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 = 2:11=20 PM
To: Brian; = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: Acoustic questions and "Hello!"

Nice reply, Brian - you covered a lot of good = ground for=20 Matthew. I'd only add that, for looping tools, the Boss DD-20 blows = the=20 Headrush away at the same price point. Matthew should take a few = minutes to=20 scan the Loopers Delight web site, particularly "Tools of the Trade" = for more=20 hardware info.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net<= /DIV>
 
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money = trench, a=20 long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die = like=20 dogs. There's also a negative side."
--- Hunter S. = Thompson
 

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 = 9:35=20 AM
Subject: RE: Acoustic = questions and=20 "Hello!"

Welcome Matthew,
       &nbs= p;        =20 I think your budget is an obstacle for what you are trying to=20 accomplish.  Hopefully you already have the guitar pickup (and = as for=20 the slap in the hole kind, if you can tolerate the tone it produces=20 normally, it will be fine, if you don't like it, then just picture = having to=20 hear multiples of it.  Personally I've never heard one other = than the=20 Sunrise, which is quite expensive, that I could tolerate for any = length of=20 time). 
 
An=20 RC-20 will work fine with an acoustic, depending on what features = you need=20 to have.  If you want features like progressive undo and = multiply, I'm=20 pretty sure you are going to have to spend more money (check the = owners=20 manual/or loopers delight page on-line for the features).  If = you want=20 to run guitar and vocals though a looper you are going to need a = mixer in=20 front of the looper, and with your budget I'm not sure you are going = to be=20 able to afford one that has the capabilities to also route out to a = PA as=20 well with some clever signal chain management.....so you may have to = hold=20 off on that idea and just run your guitar through the looper, buy = the=20 cheapest 4 channel mixer you can find and output it into the = cheapest PA you=20 can find (a guitar amp will not produce satisfactory results with = the guitar=20 and 2 vocals). 
 
Given your price limitations, you may = need to cut=20 corners everywhere.  I believe the Akai Headrush is the = cheapest looper=20 on the market <$200, you may want to see if this could possibly = fit your=20 needs though the RC-20 has longer record times and loop storage=20 capabilities. 
 
I=20 think you are probably going to have to invest more than $400, if = all you=20 have right now is a guitar without a pickup.  Especially if you = intend=20 to use this rig in a public place.  If you are going to use = this for=20 practice purposes and then have access to a PA at a gig, then you = might want=20 to hold off on the PA and get a mixer with 2 headphone outs, and use = that to=20 practice until you can afford to really buy some decent = equipment. =20 Just throwing out ideas here.
 
And for a K-Dub (Keller Williams) fix, if = you are=20 not aware of it you need to check out this site:   www.archive.org/audio &nbs= p;=20 then go to the live music archive part, there you will find over 100 = K-Dub=20 shows in lossless compression for FREE.  I also recommend = checking out=20 Brock Butler on the site as well, he also uses a looping device = (start out=20 with the SBD source show). 
 
Hope this helps.  =
 
Brian

 
 
 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: Harmony & Matthew=20 [mailto:mattshead@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 = 6:40=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Acoustic questions and "Hello!"

Hello,
 
My name is Matthew, I have been playing guitar for 15 = years,=20 last 10 mostly acoustic, and i recently got into Keller = Williams...AND, i=20 am fired up and dying to set up a simple rig..something i can = afford...i=20 can see in former posts that the echoplex and other high end = peices work=20 nicely...
 
well, here is my idea...i want to mic the guitar...(acoustic=20 pickup?)...have it run through the "looper"..and  a mic for = my wife=20 and i to sing...(if it could run through the looper, great, but i = realize=20 with my budget!?!)...and then have a speaker system...(amp, or = small PA=20 set up...)  all for not much money...100 dollars...HAHAHA, = ok, no,=20 may 300, i know, ah, 400 with it all ready to go?!?  i hear = that you=20 dont need a guitar amp with the acoustic...or even shouldnt...but = i want a=20 system to take the mic too...the singing mic that is...
 
if i buy...say a Boss RC 20...will that work well with an=20 acoustic...i am in the dark here...i dont know what is out there=20 lately...and for my price range...i know, please stop = laughing;)  at=20 the very least i would like to know if a regular "slap in the = soundhole"=20 pick up in my blueridge will be ok with something cheap as a RC = 20...or=20 would it be a waste of money?
 
thank you
matthew


         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;         Harmony=20 and Matthew

Sell=20 on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great=20 items.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C583EB.D13AF0C2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 18:49:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62A5D3BF7A; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_scarface.real.com-29434-1120848589-0001-2" Message-Id: <42CECA58.0000BC.03072@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:47:52 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A071@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: YaHoooooE! X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <4e9tj.A.p5B.TrszCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:49:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_scarface.real.com-29434-1120848589-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_scarface.real.com-29434-1120848589-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_scarface.real.com-29434-1120848589-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0D =0D I really like the subject matter of the narration in the intro, and the whole series of songs in fact. From healthy skepticism to transcendental metaphysics. Who is the older woman speaking?=0D =0D I forget....I pulled it off the net.=0D =0D I also enjoy very much the combination of genres....and then on to hedon= ism and astrophysics, ultimate singularities, the big bang, the holographic universe theory, jazz, string theory and curled up dimensions, etc.=20 Interesting stuff, all some of my favorite topics. I like what you've do= ne with the music to compliment the concepts as well. .first time I've hear= d sex and physics combined this way before. Did I hear Howard Zinn and a quote regarding class struggle and history from his Peoples' History of t= he US? =0D =0D Yes you did....More and More I think Zinn for President. =0D =0D Sounds like a C-Span edition where he was lecturing.=0D =0D Some of the narrations sound as if you are having a voice program read a script from an article or book, such as the PDF text to voice feature... gives it an amost Stephen Hawking sort of feel.=0D =0D Yes, I use the AT&T codecs with TextAloudMP3 as an engine. =0D =0D Do you think it's marketable? =0D =0D Kris, Thank you for your listen time. =0D =0D =0D Kris=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.com] =0D Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:09 AM=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: YaHoooooE!=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D YaHooooooE!=0D =0D I just finished my disc. I have been working on it form more than= 18 months. I'd like to thank you all. Discussions and example provided by yo= u all helped me a lot for formulate and complete this project. =0D =0D This is not a Loop disc like most. I combined the concept of Foun= d Sound Composition with Loop Music to produce what I have always wanted to try, the restructuring of sound to create music...=0D =0D Now, here's the ask: I'd love some comment. I am not sure about t= he marketability of this project. I maybe only me that likes this stuff. Ple= ase if you can find the time, listen and send me some feed back. I have a th= ick skin. =0D =0D http://chickiboom.com/records/index.html=0D =0D =0D Each song is treated more like a movement with chorus joining them togeth= er. The chorus are used like Greek chorus appearing to move the story along. That's all I'll say.....it's some what a concept project. =0D =0D Thank you!=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =20 --=_scarface.real.com-29434-1120848589-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
3D""
 
 
 
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005>I really like the subject matter of the n= arration in the intro, and the whole series of songs in fact.  = =46rom healthy skepticism to transcendental metaphysics. Who is the older= woman speaking?
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005> 
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005>I forget....I pulled it off the n= et.
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005> 
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005> I also enjoy very much the combinat= ion of genres....and then on to hedonism and astrophysics, ultimate singu= larities, the big bang, the holographic universe theory, jazz, string the= ory and curled up dimensions, etc.  Interesting stuff, all some= of my favorite topics.  I like what you've done with the music to c= ompliment the concepts as well.  .first time I've heard sex and phys= ics combined this way before.  Did I hear Howard Zinn and a quote re= garding class struggle and history from his Peoples' History of the US? <= /SPAN>
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005> 
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005>Yes you did....More and More I th= ink Zinn for President.
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005> 
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005>Sounds like a C-Span edition where he was= lecturing.
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005> 
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005>Some of the narrations sound as if you ar= e having a voice program read a script from an article or book, such as t= he PDF text to voice feature....gives it an amost Stephen Hawking sort of= feel.
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005> 
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005>Yes, I use the AT&T codecs wi= th TextAloudMP3 as an engine.
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005> 
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005>Do you think it's m= arketable?  
 
Kris, Thank you for your listen time.
 
 
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005>Kris
<= SPAN class=3D213575417-08072005> 

From: Sony Felberg [mailto:sony@real.= com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:09 AM
To: Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: YaHoooooE!
<= tr>
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YaHooooooE!
   
        I just finished my disc. I hav= e been working on it form more than 18 months. I'd like to thank = you all. Discussions and example provided by you all helped me a lot for = formulate and complete this project.
        
        This is not a Loop disc like m= ost. I combined the concept of Found Sound Composition with Loop Music to= produce what I have always wanted to try, the restructuring of sound to = create music...
 
        Now, here's the ask: I'd love = some comment. I am not sure about the marketability of this project. I ma= ybe only me that likes this stuff. Please, if you can find the time, list= en and send me some feed back. I have a thick skin.
 
 
 
Each song is treated more like a movement with chorus joining them t= ogether. The chorus are used like Greek chorus appearing to move the stor= y along. That's all I'll say.....it's some what a concept project.
 
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References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:01:34 +0000 (UTC) There's always the Boomerang (which I still think is the foot friendliest looper on the market though it has drawbacks as they all do). $199 on Ebay. I'll mention this as well, you can supe up a radioshack lapel mic or even build your own condenser for under $50 with unreal results. There are links on the web for that if you do acouple of searches. http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/condenser-mic.txt ~Peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com Quoting Brian : > Good information.....I know my friend got a Headrush for $160 (with > tax) a little while ago, and I was thinking the DD-20 was more like > $225, but the DD-20 is definitely a step up, in features, and if he > can find one that fits the budget, I second the choice. The tools of > the trade page is an invaluable resource, but beware, I had to invest > in an Echoplex because of that page. :) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 19:27:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 836193BF6C; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WTzQcpGlEWZ9YciUkqDlKgwRFu6rMUbiM1pyELU4ws4KLKUWD40dy5ag6pv7RFSLgOTNxpFMwKmzYSoU71Sgw54iCaR/w8KfKEzAQxNPKqZfUcszzyNvbBXdpWEnRD8Q5NC12P01CjWhVNErJy0pIrah0kUVJqlkxILSqVp9dgE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:27:02 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" In-Reply-To: <20050707223948.56412.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050707223948.56412.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Since I hijacked another thread with my own questions pertaining to looping acoustic guitar and microphones, I'll turn it around and try to answer some of your questions. 1) Guitar pickup: you'll blow your budget on a good pickup for the acoustic. If you want to go really cheap, though, Dean Markley makes a little button transducer that attaches to the soundboard via putty. It's called the "Artist Transducer". It's only $40. It sounds OK. The only real drawback is that it has a cable attached to it (not a jack). When I used one on my ultra-cheap starter mandolin, it worked really well. Right up until the day I got to a gig and discovered the cable had pulled out of the pickup. The pickup is sealed, so there's no easy way of getting in there and reconnecting. I'd have called Dean Markley about it, but I was already in the market for a 'next step up' mandolin, and figured I'd use a different pickup system for the new mando. I'd recommend the Dean Markley pickup with the caveat of the being careful with the attached cable. 2) PA system: This will depend largely on the size of venues you're planning on playing. For me, I'll be able to get by with a single keyboard or acoustic guitar amp (either a Peavey KB100 or a Carvin AG100D). You might be able to get by with a keyboard amp or some other full-range amp as long as it has enough volume for the venues you're playing. You might be able to get a used one for cheap. Otherwise, you could check out some of the low-budget PA systems that certain online retailers have in their catalogs. Kustom comes to mind as one brand. I have no experience with them, however. 2b) The matter of sending multiple signals to the looper...definitely requires a mixer with some sort of aux send capability. Incidentally, further searches prompted by some responses to my questions in the "patchbay" thread resulted in my finding a 1U rackmount mixer that might fit the bill for my needs: the Rolls RM65b. It has 6 channels, all of which have both XLR microphone and 1/4" inputs. It also has an aux send and a separate monitor send (which I think I can use as a pre-fader aux send). It runs $250. 3) The matter of a looper: I had great fun with my first looper: Akai Headrush E1. I've since expanded to 3 loopers (Headrush, Line 6 DL-4, and Echoplex DP), contracted back to 2 (sold the Headrush), and will likely sell the DL-4 in the not too distant future. As previously mentioned, the "Tools of the Trade" pages on the Loopers Delight site are invaluable for figuring out which looper fits your needs. As was also mentioned, those pages do quite a lot in the way of convincing you which looper(s) you *neeeeeeed*. Proceed with caution. You're going to have to compromise something in putting together this rig: either the quantity of components, the quality of components, or the budget itself. a) Quantity of components: If you want to maintain a certain level of quality within that budget, you will likely have to piece it together gradually. Perhaps a decent PA system first (along with either a decent mic for the guitar or an inexpensive pickup to at least get started), then a decent looper when the budget allows, followed by refinements to quality of each component (e.g. better pickup for guitar, higher quality PA mixer/amp, etc.) b) Quality of components: I you want to maintain the quantity of components and stay within the budget you'll have to cut corners on the quality. Cheap PA, cheap pickup, very basic looper, etc. You can of course, refine each component as budget allows. c) Budget: Even buying used, the primary necessary components of modest quality will likely eclipse your budget. Unfortunately, in many cases, old loopers don't get too much cheaper on the used market. Best of luck, Jon Southwood From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 19:33:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A77DB3BF67; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uLE93xbDStR0KyJjwTLQcrzFzqjdFFEN0N/DVRBB8xWMbRMPDXlDq9R9THtPY9XdYlo9M80WkIjgZv1bg0vPVRhdm8cOGP11p96D/7p87EgRWvBgIHDksK60FAF2ljyBeoSpUJmZwr8OODRG3K0XCiA0sFTE2JMTRk9xwvcFoNM= Message-ID: <64b81a780507081232fb433a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:32:44 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" In-Reply-To: <20050708150130.tf7du162zooo4w4w@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050708150130.tf7du162zooo4w4w@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:33:10 +0000 (UTC) If the Boomerang is being considered, I'll chime in and advise that Mathew focus on the upgraded Boomerang+. The original Boomerang, while very useful and lots of fun, will murder the sound of an acoustic guitar. It's relatively low sample rate kills the chimey high frequencies integral to the acoustic sound. The newer Boomerang+ includes many new must have features, but most importantly for this application it uses a higher sample rate. In any case, the best bet is to find a local shop where you can sample the gear before you buy. Hope this helps, Todd On 7/8/05, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > There's always the Boomerang (which I still think is the foot > friendliest looper > on the market though it has drawbacks as they all do). $199 on Ebay. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 19:41:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 607553BF7A; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EH/Kp9Xa3tbXtE7tD0ETfEFmJTfqzSOB2lgoM3yROXkv2YyLKBySMZWq8Dj+NDqIGrxyKY35YbjBUe/tFmpgVQh/dm2I2+QznVxiGliP6rtnSaVhVIx4aFVJlPAE0WjxgW0ZGadphry40kZgkh/oyuAsELw/Y0CmB67zqgXK9dU= Message-ID: <64b81a7805070812401b95433b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:40:37 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" In-Reply-To: <64b81a780507081232fb433a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050708150130.tf7du162zooo4w4w@www.michaelplishka.com> <64b81a780507081232fb433a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:41:08 +0000 (UTC) One more note on pickup systems: Does anyone have direct experience with the L.R. Baggs Element under-saddle transducers? (http://www.lrbaggs.com/html/products/systems_element.shtml) I've heard great things about them and seen them available in the $100-$150 range. Seems like a perfect solution, but I've never used one myself. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 20:28:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0AA93BF7B; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050708162841.476aqu6fjn3okc4c@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:28:41 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" References: <20050707223948.56412.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <2PjIo.A.7DF.8HuzCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:28:44 +0000 (UTC) I have used the Kustom PA for three years now and it's been great! MOre than adequate for smaller venues. Bigger one's you may need to supplement with power amp and monitors. ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com Quoting Jon Southwood : >> > 2) PA system: This will depend largely on the size of venues you're > planning on playing. For me, I'll be able to get by with a single > keyboard or acoustic guitar amp (either a Peavey KB100 or a Carvin > AG100D). You might be able to get by with a keyboard amp or some other > full-range amp as long as it has enough volume for the venues you're > playing. You might be able to get a used one for cheap. Otherwise, you > could check out some of the low-budget PA systems that certain online > retailers have in their catalogs. Kustom comes to mind as one brand. I > have no experience with them, however. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 20:29:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEDF53BF82; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050708162904.fxgzfrsxhjk8wkko@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:29:05 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" References: <20050708150130.tf7du162zooo4w4w@www.michaelplishka.com> <64b81a780507081232fb433a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780507081232fb433a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <61ve9C.A.XNF.SIuzCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Amen, Brother!! Quoting Todd Pafford : > If the Boomerang is being considered, I'll chime in and advise that > Mathew focus on the upgraded Boomerang+. The original Boomerang, > while very useful and lots of fun, will murder the sound of an > acoustic guitar. It's relatively low sample rate kills the chimey > high frequencies integral to the acoustic sound. The newer Boomerang+ > includes many new must have features, but most importantly for this > application it uses a higher sample rate. > > In any case, the best bet is to find a local shop where you can sample > the gear before you buy. > > Hope this helps, > Todd > > > On 7/8/05, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: >> There's always the Boomerang (which I still think is the foot >> friendliest looper >> on the market though it has drawbacks as they all do). $199 on Ebay. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 21:46:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC81B3BF7B; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050708214627.75322.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:46:27 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Repeater MK2 group buy? Alto music? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050708162904.fxgzfrsxhjk8wkko@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi! It's THAT TIME AGAIN! So. Electrix's website mentioned July as a release date for the Repeater MK2... uh and they've said little else since then. A few places are showing them for sale ($499)... but they don't have them. What do you know about that? Well well well... ANYWAY. I'm up for a preorder or a group buy thing. Anyone else? I learned my lesson and I'm not expecting one any time sooner than a year from now, but I am excited to get another one of these amazing beasts... perhaps an even better one. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 22:36:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76E513BF7F; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42CF0008.6080203@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:36:56 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater MK2 group buy? Alto music? References: <20050708214627.75322.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050708214627.75322.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2kcNgC.A.Ig.JAwzCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:36:58 +0000 (UTC) I'm with you, Mark. What are the next steps? mark sottilaro wrote: >Hi! It's THAT TIME AGAIN! > >So. Electrix's website mentioned July as a release >date for the Repeater MK2... uh and they've said >little else since then. A few places are showing them >for sale ($499)... but they don't have them. What do >you know about that? Well well well... > >ANYWAY. I'm up for a preorder or a group buy thing. >Anyone else? I learned my lesson and I'm not >expecting one any time sooner than a year from now, >but I am excited to get another one of these amazing >beasts... perhaps an even better one. > >Mark > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 22:47:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7F1B3BF88; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HennV0VQUCYFVpokwnzLl81wY3Ccr+Xkif1YpjZuSES7sAaE5Rhj0DkMStGtgNZEDWFfU0F9A7c0ZD+1HGdJMCsOTLTGpSNJwGHjF5NQk1aaKRgLuglYsvwvEHSjCnmwEZgP1EfpIHjCaL7tjXyrnjfQHkjcrurT7qtgPicfX0k= ; Message-ID: <20050708224713.32239.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:47:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Harmony & Matthew Subject: Re: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050707223948.56412.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1123723699-1120862832=:31837" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:47:15 +0000 (UTC) --0-1123723699-1120862832=:31837 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank You to all of you for your responses...it really was very helpful...i have checked the tools of the trade page...and then searched on prices...but i get that the boss is fine for acoustic and even more with a mixer before it!!! and the PA...i think i got it...Thank you again!! matthew Harmony & Matthew wrote: Hello, My name is Matthew, I have been playing guitar for 15 years, last 10 mostly acoustic, and i recently got into Keller Williams...AND, i am fired up and dying to set up a simple rig..something i can afford...i can see in former posts that the echoplex and other high end peices work nicely... well, here is my idea...i want to mic the guitar...(acoustic pickup?)...have it run through the "looper"..and a mic for my wife and i to sing...(if it could run through the looper, great, but i realize with my budget!?!)...and then have a speaker system...(amp, or small PA set up...) all for not much money...100 dollars...HAHAHA, ok, no, may 300, i know, ah, 400 with it all ready to go?!? i hear that you dont need a guitar amp with the acoustic...or even shouldnt...but i want a system to take the mic too...the singing mic that is... if i buy...say a Boss RC 20...will that work well with an acoustic...i am in the dark here...i dont know what is out there lately...and for my price range...i know, please stop laughing;) at the very least i would like to know if a regular "slap in the soundhole" pick up in my blueridge will be ok with something cheap as a RC 20...or would it be a waste of money? thank you matthew Harmony and Matthew --------------------------------- Sell on Yahoo! 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Thank You to all of you for your responses...it really was very helpful...i have checked the tools of the trade page...and then searched on prices...but i get that the boss is fine for acoustic and even more with a mixer before it!!!  and the PA...i think i got it...Thank you again!!
 
matthew

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My name is Matthew, I have been playing guitar for 15 years, last 10 mostly acoustic, and i recently got into Keller Williams...AND, i am fired up and dying to set up a simple rig..something i can afford...i can see in former posts that the echoplex and other high end peices work nicely...
 
well, here is my idea...i want to mic the guitar...(acoustic pickup?)...have it run through the "looper"..and  a mic for my wife and i to sing...(if it could run through the looper, great, but i realize with my budget!?!)...and then have a speaker system...(amp, or small PA set up...)  all for not much money...100 dollars...HAHAHA, ok, no, may 300, i know, ah, 400 with it all ready to go?!?  i hear that you dont need a guitar amp with the acoustic...or even shouldnt...but i want a system to take the mic too...the singing mic that is...
 
if i buy...say a Boss RC 20...will that work well with an acoustic...i am in the dark here...i dont know what is out there lately...and for my price range...i know, please stop laughing;)  at the very least i would like to know if a regular "slap in the soundhole" pick up in my blueridge will be ok with something cheap as a RC 20...or would it be a waste of money?
 
thank you
matthew


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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1123723699-1120862832=:31837-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 22:48:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A6463BF88; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:48:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050708224823.28331.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:48:23 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Repeater MK2 group buy. Alto music. (was: Repeater MK2 group buy?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42CF0008.6080203@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:48:27 +0000 (UTC) OK, got an email back from Jon over at Alto and they've got a bunch on order and have offered us a nice discount. I don't want to start publishing their price, so email me privatly if ya'll are interested and I guess I'm the go between unless Jon subscribes and starts dealing with it himself. Mark --- Doug Cox wrote: > I'm with you, Mark. What are the next steps? > > mark sottilaro wrote: > > >Hi! It's THAT TIME AGAIN! > > > >So. Electrix's website mentioned July as a release > >date for the Repeater MK2... uh and they've said > >little else since then. A few places are showing > them > >for sale ($499)... but they don't have them. What > do > >you know about that? Well well well... > > > >ANYWAY. I'm up for a preorder or a group buy > thing. > >Anyone else? I learned my lesson and I'm not > >expecting one any time sooner than a year from now, > >but I am excited to get another one of these > amazing > >beasts... perhaps an even better one. > > > >Mark > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 23:40:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 574A53BF49; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050708224823.28331.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050708224823.28331.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8615bc97bfdb8490ced2f307d03cd732@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Repeater MK2 group buy. Alto music. (was: Repeater MK2 group buy?) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:40:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:40:45 +0000 (UTC) um...YES! On Jul 8, 2005, at 3:48 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > OK, got an email back from Jon over at Alto and > they've got a bunch on order and have offered us a > nice discount. I don't want to start publishing their > price, so email me privatly if ya'll are interested > and I guess I'm the go between unless Jon subscribes > and starts dealing with it himself. > > Mark > > --- Doug Cox wrote: > >> I'm with you, Mark. What are the next steps? >> >> mark sottilaro wrote: >> >>> Hi! It's THAT TIME AGAIN! >>> >>> So. Electrix's website mentioned July as a release >>> date for the Repeater MK2... uh and they've said >>> little else since then. A few places are showing >> them >>> for sale ($499)... but they don't have them. What >> do >>> you know about that? Well well well... >>> >>> ANYWAY. I'm up for a preorder or a group buy >> thing. >>> Anyone else? I learned my lesson and I'm not >>> expecting one any time sooner than a year from now, >>> but I am excited to get another one of these >> amazing >>> beasts... perhaps an even better one. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 23:41:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DBDA3BF77; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <0a7d19dfe81fc28c264786f577295b53@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-824945343 From: Zoe Keating Subject: Fwd: Repeater MK2 group buy. Alto music. (was: Repeater MK2 group buy?) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:41:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:41:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-824945343 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed oops. sorry. Begin forwarded message: > From: Zoe Keating > Date: July 8, 2005 4:40:39 PM PDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater MK2 group buy. Alto music. (was: Repeater MK2 > group buy?) > > um...YES! > > > On Jul 8, 2005, at 3:48 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > >> OK, got an email back from Jon over at Alto and >> they've got a bunch on order and have offered us a >> nice discount. I don't want to start publishing their >> price, so email me privatly if ya'll are interested >> and I guess I'm the go between unless Jon subscribes >> and starts dealing with it himself. >> >> Mark >> >> --- Doug Cox wrote: >> >>> I'm with you, Mark. What are the next steps? >>> >>> mark sottilaro wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! It's THAT TIME AGAIN! >>>> >>>> So. Electrix's website mentioned July as a release >>>> date for the Repeater MK2... uh and they've said >>>> little else since then. A few places are showing >>> them >>>> for sale ($499)... but they don't have them. What >>> do >>>> you know about that? Well well well... >>>> >>>> ANYWAY. I'm up for a preorder or a group buy >>> thing. >>>> Anyone else? I learned my lesson and I'm not >>>> expecting one any time sooner than a year from now, >>>> but I am excited to get another one of these >>> amazing >>>> beasts... perhaps an even better one. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > --Apple-Mail-1-824945343 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII oops. sorry. Begin forwarded message: 0000,0000,0000From: Zoe Keating < 0000,0000,0000Date: July 8, 2005 4:40:39 PM PDT 0000,0000,0000To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: Repeater MK2 group buy. Alto music. (was: Repeater MK2 group buy?) um...YES! On Jul 8, 2005, at 3:48 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: OK, got an email back from Jon over at Alto and they've got a bunch on order and have offered us a nice discount. I don't want to start publishing their price, so email me privatly if ya'll are interested and I guess I'm the go between unless Jon subscribes and starts dealing with it himself. Mark --- Doug Cox < wrote: I'm with you, Mark. What are the next steps? mark sottilaro wrote: Hi! It's THAT TIME AGAIN! So. Electrix's website mentioned July as a release date for the Repeater MK2... uh and they've said little else since then. A few places are showing them for sale ($499)... but they don't have them. What do you know about that? Well well well... ANYWAY. I'm up for a preorder or a group buy thing. Anyone else? I learned my lesson and I'm not expecting one any time sooner than a year from now, but I am excited to get another one of these amazing beasts... perhaps an even better one. Mark --Apple-Mail-1-824945343-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 8 23:47:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2581E3BF7E; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050708224823.28331.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050708224823.28331.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: brian tester Subject: Re: Repeater MK2 group buy. Alto music. (was: Repeater MK2 group buy?) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:52:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cfb0214424eea999649176a89d694c0f43c108795ac4507f83527081872db086230a8bb35ae46f6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.43.147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark. I would quite possibly be interested in getting in on a group repeater order. Perhaps you would be willing to keep me updated? Thank you. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 9 00:47:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A6CB3BF7A; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 00:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42CF1E9F.7000600@sarth.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:47:27 -0400 From: Sarth User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig Spam - NYC - [Fwd: LBC at nublu this coming Thursday] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 00:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Hey all, trying a tiny bit more notice this time ... why not come out and see some live looping (as well as some non-live looping, and of course, some live non-looping) in the east village this Thursday. -- Sarth -------- Original Message -------- Subject: LBC at nublu this coming Thursday Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:22:38 -0400 From: Sarth To: Sarth Hello everyone, we would like to bring to your attention the upcoming performance of Lucibel Crater and her widely under-publicized noise making cohorts, Lucibel Crater, performing in full color and sound this coming Thursday, July 14th at 9:00 p.m. at nublu 62 avenue C, btwn 4th & 5th st no cover, just walk into the blue light details about the club can be found at http://www.nublu.net and details about the band at http://wwwlucibelcrater.com/ we hope to see you there! -- Luci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 9 01:24:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F39C3BF78; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 01:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=k6bmhI7xTK2HMU8EW7x6WWPqQPeGrrGh5N688bWYwp+Vhz3Amy1iS0CULT2wbaN2; Message-ID: <4110-220057691308360@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland EV-10 and RAD-50 Re: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:30:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9400feb098750095bcae0a9f87655a86c5c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.164 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 01:24:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey gang, as long as you're doing such a swell job answering technoquestions, here's a couple: 1. Someone gave me his EV-10 expression pedal... will it work with my VF-1? 2. Does anyone have a RAD-50 bracket they wanna sell me? Goat Luv, Tim Mungenast ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Baldwin To: Brian;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/8/2005 2:08:47 PM Subject: Re: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" Nice reply, Brian - you covered a lot of good ground for Matthew. I'd only add that, for looping tools, the Boss DD-20 blows the Headrush away at the same price point. Matthew should take a few minutes to scan the Loopers Delight web site, particularly "Tools of the Trade" for more hardware info. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" Welcome Matthew, I think your budget is an obstacle for what you are trying to accomplish. Hopefully you already have the guitar pickup (and as for the slap in the hole kind, if you can tolerate the tone it produces normally, it will be fine, if you don't like it, then just picture having to hear multiples of it. Personally I've never heard one other than the Sunrise, which is quite expensive, that I could tolerate for any length of time). An RC-20 will work fine with an acoustic, depending on what features you need to have. If you want features like progressive undo and multiply, I'm pretty sure you are going to have to spend more money (check the owners manual/or loopers delight page on-line for the features). If you want to run guitar and vocals though a looper you are going to need a mixer in front of the looper, and with your budget I'm not sure you are going to be able to afford one that has the capabilities to also route out to a PA as well with some clever signal chain management.....so you may have to hold off on that idea and just run your guitar through the looper, buy the cheapest 4 channel mixer you can find and output it into the cheapest PA you can find (a guitar amp will not produce satisfactory results with the guitar and 2 vocals). Given your price limitations, you may need to cut corners everywhere. I believe the Akai Headrush is the cheapest looper on the market <$200, you may want to see if this could possibly fit your needs though the RC-20 has longer record times and loop storage capabilities. I think you are probably going to have to invest more than $400, if all you have right now is a guitar without a pickup. Especially if you intend to use this rig in a public place. If you are going to use this for practice purposes and then have access to a PA at a gig, then you might want to hold off on the PA and get a mixer with 2 headphone outs, and use that to practice until you can afford to really buy some decent equipment. Just throwing out ideas here. And for a K-Dub (Keller Williams) fix, if you are not aware of it you need to check out this site: www.archive.org/audio then go to the live music archive part, there you will find over 100 K-Dub shows in lossless compression for FREE. I also recommend checking out Brock Butler on the site as well, he also uses a looping device (start out with the SBD source show). Hope this helps. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Harmony & Matthew [mailto:mattshead@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 6:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Acoustic questions and "Hello!" Hello, My name is Matthew, I have been playing guitar for 15 years, last 10 mostly acoustic, and i recently got into Keller Williams...AND, i am fired up and dying to set up a simple rig..something i can afford...i can see in former posts that the echoplex and other high end peices work nicely... well, here is my idea...i want to mic the guitar...(acoustic pickup?)...have it run through the "looper"..and a mic for my wife and i to sing...(if it could run through the looper, great, but i realize with my budget!?!)...and then have a speaker system...(amp, or small PA set up...) all for not much money...100 dollars...HAHAHA, ok, no, may 300, i know, ah, 400 with it all ready to go?!? i hear that you dont need a guitar amp with the acoustic...or even shouldnt...but i want a system to take the mic too...the singing mic that is... if i buy...say a Boss RC 20...will that work well with an acoustic...i am in the dark here...i dont know what is out there lately...and for my price range...i know, please stop laughing;) at the very least i would like to know if a regular "slap in the soundhole" pick up in my blueridge will be ok with something cheap as a RC 20...or would it be a waste of money? thank you matthew Harmony and Matthew Sell on Yahoo! 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Hey gang, as long as you're doing such a swell job answering technoquestions, here's a couple:
 
1. Someone gave me his EV-10 expression pedal... will it work with my VF-1?
2. Does anyone have a RAD-50 bracket they wanna sell me?
 
Goat Luv,
Tim Mungenast
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 7/8/2005 2:08:47 PM
Subject: Re: Acoustic questions and "Hello!"

Nice reply, Brian - you covered a lot of good ground for Matthew. I'd only add that, for looping tools, the Boss DD-20 blows the Headrush away at the same price point. Matthew should take a few minutes to scan the Loopers Delight web site, particularly "Tools of the Trade" for more hardware info.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
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--- Hunter S. Thompson
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: Acoustic questions and "Hello!"

Welcome Matthew,
                 I think your budget is an obstacle for what you are trying to accomplish.  Hopefully you already have the guitar pickup (and as for the slap in the hole kind, if you can tolerate the tone it produces normally, it will be fine, if you don't like it, then just picture having to hear multiples of it.  Personally I've never heard one other than the Sunrise, which is quite expensive, that I could tolerate for any length of time). 
 
An RC-20 will work fine with an acoustic, depending on what features you need to have.  If you want features like progressive undo and multiply, I'm pretty sure you are going to have to spend more money (check the owners manual/or loopers delight page on-line for the features).  If you want to run guitar and vocals though a looper you are going to need a mixer in front of the looper, and with your budget I'm not sure you are going to be able to afford one that has the capabilities to also route out to a PA as well with some clever signal chain management.....so you may have to hold off on that idea and just run your guitar through the looper, buy the cheapest 4 channel mixer you can find and output it into the cheapest PA you can find (a guitar amp will not produce satisfactory results with the guitar and 2 vocals). 
 
Given your price limitations, you may need to cut corners everywhere.  I believe the Akai Headrush is the cheapest looper on the market <$200, you may want to see if this could possibly fit your needs though the RC-20 has longer record times and loop storage capabilities. 
 
I think you are probably going to have to invest more than $400, if all you have right now is a guitar without a pickup.  Especially if you intend to use this rig in a public place.  If you are going to use this for practice purposes and then have access to a PA at a gig, then you might want to hold off on the PA and get a mixer with 2 headphone outs, and use that to practice until you can afford to really buy some decent equipment.  Just throwing out ideas here.
 
And for a K-Dub (Keller Williams) fix, if you are not aware of it you need to check out this site:   www.archive.org/audio   then go to the live music archive part, there you will find over 100 K-Dub shows in lossless compression for FREE.  I also recommend checking out Brock Butler on the site as well, he also uses a looping device (start out with the SBD source show). 
 
Hope this helps. 
 
Brian

 
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Harmony & Matthew [mailto:mattshead@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 6:40 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Acoustic questions and "Hello!"

Hello,
 
My name is Matthew, I have been playing guitar for 15 years, last 10 mostly acoustic, and i recently got into Keller Williams...AND, i am fired up and dying to set up a simple rig..something i can afford...i can see in former posts that the echoplex and other high end peices work nicely...
 
well, here is my idea...i want to mic the guitar...(acoustic pickup?)...have it run through the "looper"..and  a mic for my wife and i to sing...(if it could run through the looper, great, but i realize with my budget!?!)...and then have a speaker system...(amp, or small PA set up...)  all for not much money...100 dollars...HAHAHA, ok, no, may 300, i know, ah, 400 with it all ready to go?!?  i hear that you dont need a guitar amp with the acoustic...or even shouldnt...but i want a system to take the mic too...the singing mic that is...
 
if i buy...say a Boss RC 20...will that work well with an acoustic...i am in the dark here...i dont know what is out there lately...and for my price range...i know, please stop laughing;)  at the very least i would like to know if a regular "slap in the soundhole" pick up in my blueridge will be ok with something cheap as a RC 20...or would it be a waste of money?
 
thank you
matthew


                                           Harmony and Matthew

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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 9 03:59:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AABA3BF80; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 03:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: "Microscopic Horrors" Loop Music Microscopy DVD Now Available Digitally Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:59:42 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A109@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: "Microscopic Horrors" Loop Music Microscopy DVD Now Available Digitally Thread-index: AcWEOqKh2oUNrxrcSH2ZzjWFusFgPg== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2005 03:59:43.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[A38047F0:01C5843A] Resent-Message-ID: <-h1FkC.A.Pp.0u0zCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 03:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Last year I announced the availability of a new experimental music video = DVD that I produced, entitled "Microscopic Horrors." This was a loop = music video - partly educational and partly a parody of 50's sci-fi / = horror flicks - of live microscopic organisms that I shot with my USB = enabled microscope at 400X magnification, and then added music from my = CD "Places" as the soundtrack. I gave away a bunch of these little = suckers at Y2K4, and also sent free copies to about 15 of you on this = list. I posted some small, lower quality samples of this DVD to the Looper's = Delight shortly after releasing the DVD, but very recently I finally = ripped the entire DVD to mpeg and then converted to smaller Windows = Media and Real Media formats. So, here's the whole thing available for = download! http://box.net/public/khartung/files/250088.html (WMV) http://box.net/public/khartung/files/250072.html (RM) Also, you can find out more about the DVD here: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/DVD.htm=20 "I haven't found anything similar, which is kind of a surprise. It is a = cool topic. I really enjoyed your video work. It reminded me oddly of = something from Lovecraft-- moving gelatinous shapes mounted on walls-- = very cool!" (Thomas Park, Mystified, www.mystifiedmusic.com) "Wonderful, and very creative" (Michael Peters, Musician and Artist, = www.michaelpeters.de/) "This film will move the viewer at one level or another rather than = leaving a sense of blas=E9', but only those who share Hartung's sense of = the absurd and understand his humor will truly 'get it'" (Grant Keely, = Musician/Writer/InfoTech Deviant)=20 I enjoyed making this video so much, that I hope to produce a = "Microscopic Horrors II" next spring, and this time I'd like to get some = of you involved in composing your own loop music as components of the = soundtrack. I think some of you might get a kick out of writing music = to videos of bizarre microscopic organisms. Cheers, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 9 07:18:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFC953BF26; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 03:22:22 -0400 From: Scott Carr Subject: Looping Event Going on Now.... To: Loopers Delight Reply-To: scott@tapehissrecordings.com Message-id: <42CF7B2E.8090900@tapehissrecordings.com> Organization: Tapehiss Recordings MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Resent-Message-ID: <2pRpwD.A.CCF.hp3zCB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:18:57 +0000 (UTC) This is kind of last minute, but 2 hours ago this event started (still 22 hours to go): http://www.tapegerm.com/users/flu24/ Tune in and / or participate if you're interested. Cheers, Scott -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Psycho Acoustic Aural Stimulation http://www.tapehissrecordings.com ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 9 10:07:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 705D33BF53; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:58:05 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: Rane, Behringer and other names... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003801c5846c$b3ca6f50$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=windows-1256; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002501c583e3$e52773b0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, No problem at all! Btw I have some Behringer gear in my studio; two Edison, three Ultrafex and an old Composer. They share racks with some of the best rec gear mony can buy. No problem here in mixing budget and highend gear. I`m probably a gear snob in many ways but I don`t share the elitist attitude towards budget gear and certain brands that you`ll find on may rec forums. T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Rane, Behringer and other names... Torstein, I have to apologize for making a statement where I can't say anything about its content of truth: I simply confused Rane and Rolls. I do not have any experience with devices by Rane myself, so I simply can't comment on this. On the other hand, I've come to the conclusion that a lot of the statements about Behringer products on a great many rec forums are not exactly matter-of-factly. A lot of these discussions actually reached the Godwin-propability of 1 very quickly. The problem with Behringer gear is that you cannot be sure what to expect. Some of their stuff is great, not only for the price, but also in comparison with products in a different price range. Some of their stuff is simply crap and not worth the few bucks they charge for it. And with some of the stuff it depends on your application: if a Behringer console lasts for more than a dozen years (and is still fine) in its specific application (hobbyist home use), then I can live without the better reliability of, say, a Mackie which costs three times its price, especially when the Behringer actually outperforms the Mackie with regard to specifications. I've used and/or test-driven a great lot of Behringer devices - if anyone wants some first-hand experience, please mail me off-list with your specific enquiry. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:thelgere@online.no] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Juli 2005 00:53 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: what about patchbay ? I can only talk from my experience with the Rane SM82, which works great, but this is the first time ever I`ve heard anyone claim that Behringer is generally of better quality than the Rane products. And I`ve heard a lot on many rec forums. :-) The Rane is not perfect and a here are a couple of threads from rec.audio about changing the opamps for better sonics; http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=no&lr=&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNWE:en& threadm=091220032120158115%25ulyssesnospam%40rollmusic.com&rnum=1&prev=/ groups%3Fq%3Drane%2520SM82%2520upgrade%26hl%3Dno%26lr%3D%26rls%3DRNWE,RN WE:2004-51,RNWE:en%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=no&lr=&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNWE:en& threadm=375FF213.4799A194%40earthlink.net&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Drane %2520SM82%2520upgrade%26hl%3Dno%26lr%3D%26rls%3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-51,RNWE:e n%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg I once mailed Jim Willams regarding a possible upgrade (I`m no tech head) and the answer I got was; "I did an extensive mod on one of those for tonmeister Andrew Lipinsky several years ago. It was OK, but it's tiny power transformer limits what quality parts can be used. It's probably not worth the money to do that much work on it unless you have stringent acoustic recording requirements. Jim Williams Audio Upgrades" You could do some of your routing ideas with a line mixer like the SM82. The stereo send and return could be used as two mono effect loops returning to two free mono channels rather than using the effect returns. There`s good documentation on the Rane site; http://www.rane.com/sm82.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: AW: what about patchbay ? I'd like to advise against the smaller Behringer mixers...they are so cheap that they really ARE cheap. Rule of thumb: do not get one of those below the €100 price mark. I have to admit I haven't been testing the UB series to a greater extent, but I do own two MX2642A and firmly believe that this must be the best mixer ever built for artists with lots of effects (like most of us): six auxes and four busses, a total of 26 inputs (or 8 mono ins (w/ inserts AND direct outs), 4 stereo ins, 4 aux returns and one tape return), it's a rackmount device and its patchbay (which has all the connectors mounted to it, not the usual inputs and inserts on top, outputs on the rear) can be mounted on the rear or the bottom (great for rack installation). Without wanting to start a flame war, I believe that Behringer gear is of a higher quality in every aspect than Rane gear. While Mackie does win over Behringer with regard to reliability, some of the Behringer stuff actually wins with regard to audio specs. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:thelgere@online.no] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2005 22:16 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: what about patchbay ? It\s not clear to me if you are looking for a patchbay or a line mixer. A patch is great for routing and making gear accessible but it won`t mix several sourches down to stereo. I have a couple of the Rane SM82 line mixers and they are solid and clean sounding. Eight stereo ins, stereo send and return, balanced stereo out (if needed) etc. The SM26 is a more simple version. Both can be found on ebay; http://search.ebay.com/rane-mixer_Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfro mZR4QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ619 Probably several here who use different brands of line mixers as well as the smaller Mackie and Behringer mixers. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fabio Anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: what about patchbay ? Apart this (it's just to share...) I know there are lot of you in this list having a big knowledge about mixers and connection systems. And as you know there may be a lot of methods to send the "played" signal into a loop machine (bus, alternate outs, out sends, etc...) What I'd like to know is if "patchbay" (like behringer products) are usefull for connect 2 or 3 stereo loop-machines, receiving the "played " signal from a source. What about ? Thanks in advantage for your suggestions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 9 23:41:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A4133BF3C; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050709234059.88763.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:40:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater MK2 group buy. Alto music. (was: Repeater MK2 group buy?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8615bc97bfdb8490ced2f307d03cd732@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:41:01 +0000 (UTC) They're $438 and I have no idea when they'll come out. They were a year late last time. Electrix said they'd be shipping this month. Here's the info from Jon at Alto music: sure-This is the best way Have them go to www.altomusic.com click payments for item # write repeatermk2/438 I will ship them as soon as they come in --- Zoe Keating wrote: > um...YES! > > > On Jul 8, 2005, at 3:48 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > OK, got an email back from Jon over at Alto and > > they've got a bunch on order and have offered us a > > nice discount. I don't want to start publishing > their > > price, so email me privatly if ya'll are > interested > > and I guess I'm the go between unless Jon > subscribes > > and starts dealing with it himself. > > > > Mark > > > > --- Doug Cox wrote: > > > >> I'm with you, Mark. What are the next steps? > >> > >> mark sottilaro wrote: > >> > >>> Hi! It's THAT TIME AGAIN! > >>> > >>> So. Electrix's website mentioned July as a > release > >>> date for the Repeater MK2... uh and they've said > >>> little else since then. A few places are > showing > >> them > >>> for sale ($499)... but they don't have them. > What > >> do > >>> you know about that? Well well well... > >>> > >>> ANYWAY. I'm up for a preorder or a group buy > >> thing. > >>> Anyone else? I learned my lesson and I'm not > >>> expecting one any time sooner than a year from > now, > >>> but I am excited to get another one of these > >> amazing > >>> beasts... perhaps an even better one. > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 9 23:41:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 042AA3BF51; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050709234122.93226.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:41:22 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Fwd: Repeater MK2 group buy. Alto music. (was: Repeater MK2 group buy?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0a7d19dfe81fc28c264786f577295b53@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:41:25 +0000 (UTC) They're $438 and I have no idea when they'll come out. They were a year late last time. Electrix said they'd be shipping this month. Here's the info from Jon at Alto music: sure-This is the best way Have them go to www.altomusic.com click payments for item # write repeatermk2/438 I will ship them as soon as they come in --- Zoe Keating wrote: > oops. sorry. > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Zoe Keating > > Date: July 8, 2005 4:40:39 PM PDT > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Repeater MK2 group buy. Alto music. > (was: Repeater MK2 > > group buy?) > > > > um...YES! > > > > > > On Jul 8, 2005, at 3:48 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > >> OK, got an email back from Jon over at Alto and > >> they've got a bunch on order and have offered us > a > >> nice discount. I don't want to start publishing > their > >> price, so email me privatly if ya'll are > interested > >> and I guess I'm the go between unless Jon > subscribes > >> and starts dealing with it himself. > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> --- Doug Cox wrote: > >> > >>> I'm with you, Mark. What are the next steps? > >>> > >>> mark sottilaro wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi! It's THAT TIME AGAIN! > >>>> > >>>> So. Electrix's website mentioned July as a > release > >>>> date for the Repeater MK2... uh and they've > said > >>>> little else since then. A few places are > showing > >>> them > >>>> for sale ($499)... but they don't have them. > What > >>> do > >>>> you know about that? Well well well... > >>>> > >>>> ANYWAY. I'm up for a preorder or a group buy > >>> thing. > >>>> Anyone else? I learned my lesson and I'm not > >>>> expecting one any time sooner than a year from > now, > >>>> but I am excited to get another one of these > >>> amazing > >>>> beasts... perhaps an even better one. > >>>> > >>>> Mark > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 9 23:42:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C04BB3BF43; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050709234208.81642.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater MK2 group buy. Alto music. (was: Repeater MK2 group buy?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:42:09 +0000 (UTC) They're $438 and I have no idea when they'll come out. They were a year late last time. Electrix said they'd be shipping this month. Here's the info from Jon at Alto music: sure-This is the best way Have them go to www.altomusic.com click payments for item # write repeatermk2/438 I will ship them as soon as they come in --- brian tester wrote: > Hi Mark. I would quite possibly be interested in > getting in on a group > repeater order. > Perhaps you would be willing to keep me updated? > > Thank you. > > Brian > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 01:12:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F12AB3BF5B; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pJLr7LSS9BSZFTEzh6CNo+2PZaFdK61aaX/OYkmGhGE359l065nIJ6JOH7698yK/pDfgh9OVdUtHJgotjL92Rn15MU9k4pFk7y1J97vDNb87D2FCAgi5lVs5NiHZtj3965VFJUWKdio4kc/eqkBNcUva73zga00xcGG09B6qevE= ; Message-ID: <20050710011215.9706.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:12:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Re: what about patchbay ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Jon Southwood In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:12:17 +0000 (UTC) --- Jon Southwood wrote: > Actually, when I said line mixer, I was confusing > that term. What I > actually meant was the splitter/mixer units like > > the......... > > .................So, now that I've got the > terminology straight, is > there an idiot's > guide to splitter/mixer units anywhere? Even Google > wasn't very > helpful. I'll have to try a bunch of different > search terms. > > Thanks, > > Jon Southwood ----------------------------- Read the manual for the Rane SM26b. But more importantly, read the link on the same page named "Rane SM26b Swiss Army Knife...". This is an idiot's guide. (that I used before I got into brain surgery) It has diagrams for many setups. I believe they will help even if you get the Behringer. http://www.rane.com/sm26b.html __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 02:27:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F1583BF4D; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 02:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lKzc0iHXlnByrvIypIoHr+cx+UzefaEv/0k3WyN0O1M5lnpG/oSa0USMZIKLc8H2iemKrGYZbom0eYwLIrbc2rkWgT9egy0HY/9y0Nma7HzDBPqru8RzPbuJrPW6CIJV/1deq7GPfZQdL5peJLRwVCxeo7Jc8DMQgzlIlvwAQdI= ; Message-ID: <20050710022706.68030.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: David Durian Subject: Alto Music Return Policy? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1150039406-1120962426=:67375" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 02:27:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-1150039406-1120962426=:67375 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, Had a question about Alto Music, since they came up in terms of a group buy. Anyone know what their return policy is? Also, a question for Mark . . . did Jon happen to mention how many units they have on order? Or would they be putting a new order for the group? Thanks, David --------------------------------- Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. 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Hi all,
 
Had a question about Alto Music, since they came up in terms of a group buy. Anyone know what their return policy is?
 
Also, a question for Mark . . . did Jon happen to mention how many units they have on order? Or would they be putting a new order for the group?
 
Thanks,
 
David

Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. --0-1150039406-1120962426=:67375-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 02:41:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EDB73BF4D; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 02:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <20050710022706.68030.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050710022706.68030.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Repeater and EDP Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:39:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 02:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Although I got a little bit of info. from the group archives, I'm curious to get peoples' thoughts about the relative strengths of the Repeater vs. the EDP. Not trying to (re)start a flame war here, btw. Also, does anyone know what improvements have been made in the new mk2 Repeater? What were the major flaws of the first one? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 03:34:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E552B3BF50; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050710033426.28138.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater MK2 group buy. Alto music. (was: Repeater MK2 group buy?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050709234208.81642.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Uh.. oops. I thought people were replying to me directly. So much for me keeping the group buy price unpublished. I guess information really does want to be free. Mark --- mark sottilaro wrote: > They're $438 and I have no idea when they'll come > out. > They were a year late last time. Electrix said > they'd be shipping this month. Here's the info from > Jon at Alto music: > > sure-This is the best way > Have them go to www.altomusic.com > click payments > for item # write repeatermk2/438 > I will ship them as soon as they come in > > --- brian tester wrote: > > > Hi Mark. I would quite possibly be interested in > > getting in on a group > > repeater order. > > Perhaps you would be willing to keep me updated? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Brian > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 03:35:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 888B63BF4E; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050710033533.28322.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Alto Music Return Policy? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050710022706.68030.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:35:33 +0000 (UTC) You'd have to ask Alto about all that, I know nothing other than they were good to loopers when the first batch came out all those years ago and I hear they're generally a really good music store to buy from. --- David Durian wrote: > Hi all, > > Had a question about Alto Music, since they came up > in terms of a group buy. Anyone know what their > return policy is? > > Also, a question for Mark . . . did Jon happen to > mention how many units they have on order? Or would > they be putting a new order for the group? > > Thanks, > > David > > > --------------------------------- > Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 04:23:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D7EA3BF43; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:23:11 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A130@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc Thread-index: AcWFBxU82lXFUpUeTrWE60aPe0y3Eg== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 04:23:13.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[16685A10:01C58507] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:23:19 +0000 (UTC) kosmic renaissance in jazz news: http://home.nestor.minsk.by/jazz/news/2005/07/0805.html "This trio pushes jazz to the edge with tabla drumming, live saxophone and saxophone looping, and groundbreaking emceeing using the newest in technology, the Vestax Faderboard, developed by Kosmic Renaissance artist Shing02. David Boyce (sax), Sameer Gupta (tabla), Shing02 (emcee)." Their website with some sound samples: http://www.isotoperecords.com/KA.htm "KA is a trio of accomplished Bay Area improvisers concerned with the exploration of sound, texture, and rhythm, Toni Pope (vocals, efx), Sameer Gupta (tabla, drums), and David Boyce (saxophone, bass clarinet, synth) conjure other worldly tones that are as ancient as the pyramids, and as futuristic as quantum physics. It is an abstract sound that speaks to our soulful cosmic selves; an intuitive music expressing the essence of our collective creative consciousness. " What's the Vestax Faderboard? Interesting. I really like the second sample. It's great to hear Tablas used more with looping instruments. I've been bringing mine to my performances lately. I build a soundscape, and then sit on the ground and solo with them.=20 Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 05:33:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A747F3BF47; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:30:19 EDT Subject: google kenny ryman To: moonmoth@netzero.net, spagyric@earthlink.net, profcantaloupe@yahoo.com, hammer@pocketmail.com Cc: Conniescans@prodigy.net, brenchica4@valp.net, ylbrowns@sbcglobal.net, Christine@hennesseyproject.com, Chuck.Louie@albertsons.com, RiverbratKell@aol.com, rymanpotter@adelphia.net, rdube@adelphia.net, deb@deborahexit.com, Kathy.Flores@albertsons.com, sdjeepguy@mac.com, Frye1307@MSN.com, mgarrett@standardabrasives.com, gottaski@sbcglobal.net, george@m-audio.com, george_radai@avid.com, GonzalesMignon@aol.com, ngci@adelphia.net, info@getcom.biz, imcdole@interwrx.com, spj903@juno.com, jkranitz@aural-innovations.com, fkrejci@pacbell.net, SaftyBear1@aol.com, stmjames@ms19.hinet.net, redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com, loachfillet@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com, SRYAH@aol.com, catspoet@hotmail.com, MJKJFISHER@yahoo.com, Cdnote@aol.com, moyesguitars@optusnet.com.au, kmoyes@optusnet.com.au, msolomon@zebra.com, MarcMylar@aol.com, rantinraven@sbcglobal.net, ngutmacher@m-audio.com, osullivanclan@sbcglobal.net, Patersonrl@paradise.net.nz, phantomairship@yahoo.com, GRADAI@socal.RR.com, Randy.Kehoe@albertsons.com, Deanna@antelecom.net, Karen.Riley@SDCourt.CA.Gov, KRileyms@hotmail.com, Robert@getcom.biz, GRXLR8@aol.com, WonderxLand@aol.com, rubberxducky@sbcglobal.net, sachis2112@yahoo.com, santibanez.brown@verizon.net, gsmulti@spiritone.com, Mdsegal@earthlink.net, Steve.Brown@albertsons.com, Sstraub425@aol.com, trigone@trigonrecords.com, Scan4Kim@aol.com, Scanmt@aol.com, DWa2898572@aol.com, walkers_murrieta@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1120973418" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:33:06 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1120973418 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey all, google "kenny ryman" now This will really mess with people since there is a vague family name connection to the famous "Ryman" Auditorium for "country music". 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hey all,
 
google "kenny ryman" now
 
This will really mess with people since there is a vague family name=20 connection to the famous "Ryman" Auditorium for "country music".
 
K
 -------------------------------1120973418-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 08:44:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DEC03BEE8; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: <20050710022706.68030.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:44:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <7b7-YC.A.vSE.HAO0CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:44:55 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 10, 2005, at 4:39, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Although I got a little bit of info. from the group archives, I'm > curious to get peoples' thoughts about the relative strengths of > the Repeater vs. the EDP. Not trying to (re)start a flame war here, > btw. Flame war? Must people want to have both because they are such a cute couple. Complementary in many ways. Each manual is available online, but in short I would say that the EDP is more of an instrument while the Repeater is more of a recorder, but a fantastic four track recorder that transposes and time stretches in real time. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 08:48:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49E0B3BF54; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A130@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A130@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:48:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:48:54 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 10, 2005, at 6:23, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > What's the Vestax Faderboard? > Found this: http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Vestax/FaderBoard-01.html Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 09:04:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78B943BF62; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A130@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A130@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F915831-50DF-4F0D-8783-564BA5C9981D@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:04:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:04:48 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 10, 2005, at 6:23, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Their website with some sound samples: > http://www.isotoperecords.com/KA.htm > > Interesting. I really like the second sample. wow, that's fantastic music! Thanks for posting, kris! I like all three excerpts. Their brew reminds me of an old Carla Bley record I have, Escalator Over The Hill, and it also reminds me of how the duo Dead Can Dance sounded by early eighties. Some cool Eric Dolphy vibes in there too :-) Someone in the Bay Area, please go buy these guys EDPs and FCBs!!! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 09:10:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66A823BF64; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A130@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A130@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6B26C070-95FB-41B2-B027-0D523F37DC7F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Vestax Faderboard (was Re: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:10:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <1GBLaC.A.H1E.LYO0CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:10:35 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 10, 2005, at 6:23, Hartung, Kris wrote: > What's the Vestax Faderboard? Here's a shorter description with a picture: http://www.e22.com/ faderboard/ "The Vestax Faderboard is a keyboard-like sampling / modular instrument that operates exclusively on faders". Feature-set: * 10 upfaders, designed to trigger notes / hits (3 step curve / octave switch) * 1 cross fader (curve / reverse switch) * 30 internal tones (half note = +/- 100 cent tuning) * 10 internal drum kits (BPM setting 20 - 999) * root key assign / # button (12 half steps) * 6 scale presets (major, minor, arabic, gypsy, blue note) * midi out triggering capability (midi notes 35 - 64) * 12 internal effects * sampling capability (30 secs, 16bit mono) * sample start / end slider (reversible) * smartmedia / on-board storage (10 banks) * .wav compatible via smartmedia * phono / line / mic input * panel color: first run in red only Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 09:29:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6B353BF64; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Vestax Faderboard (was Re: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:29:29 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A137@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Vestax Faderboard (was Re: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc Thread-index: AcWFLz5IUXQqUsCLTlmPL+GLL6/xOAAAFHVw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 09:29:30.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFE648F0:01C58531] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! You gotta love those scales presets! How often to you see the gypsy and arabic scales burned in a piece of musical technology? :) I have't seen those scales called out for some time.=20 NAME DEGREES=20 Arabian 1, 2, b3, 4, b5, b6, 6, 7=20 Balinese 1, b2, b3, 5, b6=20 Chinese 1, 3, #4, 5, 7=20 Composite 1, b2, b3, 3, #4, 5, b6, b7=20 Egyptian 1, 2, 4, 5, b7=20 Enigmatic 1, b2, 3, #4, #5, #6, 7=20 Hinduston 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, b6, b7=20 Hungarian 1, #2, 3, #4, 5, 6, b7=20 Hungarian gypsy 1, 2, b3, #4, 5, b6, b7=20 Japanese 1, b2, 4, 5, b6=20 Neapolitan major 1, b2, b3, 4, 5, 6, 7=20 Neapolitan minor 1, b2, b3, 4, 5, b6, 7=20 Oriental 1, b2, 3, 4, b5, 6, b7=20 Overtone 1, 2, 3, #4, 5, 6, b7=20 Pelog 1, b2, b3, 5, b6=20 Persian 1, b2, 3, 4, b5, b6, 7=20 Romanian 1, 2, b3, #4, 5, 6, b7=20 Scribian 1, b2, 3, 5, 6=20 Symmetrical 1, b2, b3, 3, #4, 5, 6, b7=20 Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vestax Faderboard (was Re: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc On Jul 10, 2005, at 6:23, Hartung, Kris wrote: > What's the Vestax Faderboard? Here's a shorter description with a picture: http://www.e22.com/ faderboard/ "The Vestax Faderboard is a keyboard-like sampling / modular instrument that operates exclusively on faders". Feature-set: * 10 upfaders, designed to trigger notes / hits (3 step curve / octave switch) * 1 cross fader (curve / reverse switch) * 30 internal tones (half note =3D +/- 100 cent tuning) * 10 internal drum kits (BPM setting 20 - 999) * root key assign / # button (12 half steps) * 6 scale presets (major, minor, arabic, gypsy, blue note) * midi out triggering capability (midi notes 35 - 64) * 12 internal effects * sampling capability (30 secs, 16bit mono) * sample start / end slider (reversible) * smartmedia / on-board storage (10 banks) * .wav compatible via smartmedia * phono / line / mic input * panel color: first run in red only Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 09:57:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EFB03BF4E; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:57:17 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A138@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) Thread-index: AcWFLpsYBZ0x+6cJQjKMd5simqe7DQAA0vqQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 09:57:18.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[C21A46B0:01C58535] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of which, I just can't get my FCB to work with my EDPs linked in stereo. Both EDP units A (primary or first in the signal/MIDI chain) and B are linked via Brother sync and MIDI. I record a four measure loop, and hit Record again to play it back...but what happens is that only the B EDP unit is playing the loop back, not unit A. I can see the Feedback LED light up on the B unit, but not the A unit. The FCB appears to be sending some other signals besides the standard Note data to trigger the basic EDP functions, and making changes to one of the EDP's parameters. When I reset both EDPs to have the same parameters, and then switch them around, the same thing happens, but with different units...so it's not a defective EDP. And both units work perfect with my Gibson Echoplex controller. =20 Before I start troubleshooting in detail, I thought I would try resetting the FCB to factory state first. However, I am confused by what the manual says about this. It shows three ways to perform a factory reset: V-AMP family products, BEHRINGER guitar amps, and BASS V-AMP product range. Is there a particular reset option I should choose? =20 Once I reset, I'll go back and re-program the switches to send the correct notes to the EDPs to trigger the functions I want. Then if the problem persists, I'll start troubleshooting in detail in later today. I really want to get this FCB working with the EDPs. It would be nice to tap into all those other features like half-speed, which I can't access with the Echoplex controller. Kris > Someone in the Bay Area, please go buy these guys EDPs and FCBs!!! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 10:02:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 246393BF4E; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A137@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A137@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5E2A74AA-8FEA-4313-902A-3FB79762B360@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vestax Faderboard (was Re: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:02:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:02:59 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 10, 2005, at 11:29, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Thanks! You gotta love those scales presets! How often to you see the > gypsy and arabic scales burned in a piece of musical technology? :) I > have't seen those scales called out for some time. > > NAME DEGREES > Arabian 1, 2, b3, 4, b5, b6, 6, 7 > Balinese 1, b2, b3, 5, b6 > Chinese 1, 3, #4, 5, 7 > Composite 1, b2, b3, 3, #4, 5, b6, b7 > Egyptian 1, 2, 4, 5, b7 > Enigmatic 1, b2, 3, #4, #5, #6, 7 > Hinduston 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, b6, b7 > Hungarian 1, #2, 3, #4, 5, 6, b7 > Hungarian gypsy 1, 2, b3, #4, 5, b6, b7 > Japanese 1, b2, 4, 5, b6 > Neapolitan major 1, b2, b3, 4, 5, 6, 7 > Neapolitan minor 1, b2, b3, 4, 5, b6, 7 > Oriental 1, b2, 3, 4, b5, 6, b7 > Overtone 1, 2, 3, #4, 5, 6, b7 > Pelog 1, b2, b3, 5, b6 > Persian 1, b2, 3, 4, b5, b6, 7 > Romanian 1, 2, b3, #4, 5, 6, b7 > Scribian 1, b2, 3, 5, 6 > Symmetrical 1, b2, b3, 3, #4, 5, 6, b7 > > > Kris Interesting! Speaking about scales, check out this picture of the fixed scales built into Logic: http://www.boysen.se/ Logic_Fixed_Scales.jpg Logic is my fav music software although I rarely take advantage all those scales, since I mostly play physical audio instruments. But for a keyboard player with a laptop it must be heaven! Besides all those scales on the picture there is also Equal Tempered, Hermode Tuning and any user programmed custom scale available. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 10:08:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 650F33BF51; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A138@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A138@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <19A8B157-6DA9-4EB1-8757-4495BEF6F88C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:08:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:08:48 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 10, 2005, at 11:57, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Before I start troubleshooting in detail, I thought I would try > resetting the FCB to factory state first. However, I am confused by > what > the manual says about this. It shows three ways to perform a factory > reset: V-AMP family products, BEHRINGER guitar amps, and BASS V-AMP > product range. Is there a particular reset option I should choose? No. Whatever reset you use you will have to empty the banks and put in new data for the EDP. When programming your FCB banks you must be aware of that the FCB can send multiple midi commands on every button press. In the FCB patch programming mode you have to disable everything except for what the EDP needs. Otherwise you will go nuts when trying to get it right ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 12:27:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A09983BF51; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 02:11:37 +0100 Subject: Roland EV-10 and the VF-1 From: jeremy To: Cc: Timothy Mungenast Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi Tim, Schematic below: 50k ohm linear _______/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\______ | | | | | | | | | * * * track wiper earth/ground ring tip sleeve (to VF-1) Latest operating system is 1.13 Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 14:03:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 878A33BF3A; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Remote-IP: 213.191.142.122 X-Remote-IP: 213.191.137.143 From: "ivan kapec" To: Subject: SPAM: Triangulizona loop project Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:03:31 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c58558$28349c80$8f89bfd5@epi741531r1soi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <19A8B157-6DA9-4EB1-8757-4495BEF6F88C@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Hello all! Please check it new site from loop based band from Croatia.. Every kind of comments are wellcome. http://www.triangulizona.com Best regards, ivan kapec ivan@triangulizona.com www.triangulizona.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 14:28:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B1BD3BF36; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: References: <20050710022706.68030.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:26:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:28:33 +0000 (UTC) > they are such a cute couple. Complementary in many ways. Could you give an example or two? > Each manual is available online, but in short I would say that the > EDP is more of an instrument while the Repeater is more of a recorder, Again, if you wouldn't mind elaborating a bit, I'd appreciate it. What makes the EDP more of an instrument, in your opinion? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 14:36:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECAF43BF3C; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: RE: Repeater and EDP Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:36:07 +0200 Message-ID: <003101c5855c$b8fcd530$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD,NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:36:29 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Shirkey [mailto:jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu] > Sent: Sonntag, 10. Juli 2005 16:26 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP > > > > they are such a cute couple. Complementary in many ways. > > Could you give an example or two? > > > Each manual is available online, but in short I would say that the > > EDP is more of an instrument while the Repeater is more of a recorder, > > Again, if you wouldn't mind elaborating a bit, I'd appreciate it. > What makes the EDP more of an instrument, in your opinion? > http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/repeater-users/kwiki.cgi?PerBoysenTips Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 15:18:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8236F3BF36; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6f475d15fb7eb51e8b819351f0fab8c8@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Spam: Seattle Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:18:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed9c6364868ea97b9847305484ace0f790e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Three acoustic guitar live looping shows this week: July 14, Thursday, 8-10PM Cafe Darclee (100 4th Ave N, Suite 165) This is a new place for me, right at the foot of the Space Needle in Fisher Plaza. There's no way I can turn down a gig that close to the Space Needle. Now if I could just busk at a monorail station... July 15, Friday, 6-8PM Trabant Chai House (1309 NE 45th ST) Back in the U District I'll be providing music for an art opening at the kosmonaut themed Trabant. *July 16, Saturday, 8-10PM Red & Black Cafe (2138 SE Division, Portland OR) There's no space connection for the Red & Black that I'm aware of, but it's a great place for acoustic live music in Portland. Look for new mp3's from last weekend's KSER performance on the website in the next few days. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 17:39:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAE2A3BF4D; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:39:05 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A13B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) thread-index: AcWFN17ErmDfzf1JR7aUVIIjNuz6MgAPsBdQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 17:39:06.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[457DE1C0:01C58576] Resent-Message-ID: <4R4Lv.A.AGH.-0V0CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) I'll give it a try. I was wondering, since my problem only occurs with both units, what about using my MIDI splitter to go from the FCB to the EDPs, rather than to one EDP and then MIDI out of that one to the next? I would still use the Brother Sync of course. Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) On Jul 10, 2005, at 11:57, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Before I start troubleshooting in detail, I thought I would try=20 > resetting the FCB to factory state first. However, I am confused by=20 > what the manual says about this. It shows three ways to perform a=20 > factory > reset: V-AMP family products, BEHRINGER guitar amps, and BASS V-AMP=20 > product range. Is there a particular reset option I should choose? No. Whatever reset you use you will have to empty the banks and put in new data for the EDP. When programming your FCB banks you must be aware of that the FCB can send multiple midi commands on every button press. In the FCB patch programming mode you have to disable everything except for what the EDP needs. Otherwise you will go nuts when trying to get it right ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 18:20:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91EDE3BF43; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A13B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A13B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <81286141-B397-420D-BBEB-8E37A5218075@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:20:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:20:30 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 10, 2005, at 19:39, Hartung, Kris wrote: > I'll give it a try. I was wondering, since my problem only occurs with > both units, what about using my MIDI splitter to go from the FCB to > the > EDPs, rather than to one EDP and then MIDI out of that one to the > next? > I would still use the Brother Sync of course. > > Kris So far I only have one EDP, but since no one else is posting I'll put something in. Have you disabled midi clock sync when you are using brother sync? Do that by setting both EDPs to "Timing/Sync = Out". I think it would be a good idea to use a midi split box instead of daisy chaining the EDPs. Are you running them in parallel to catch stereo loops (i.e. recording the same thing into them both, taking audio outputs as Left/ Right)? That's interesting because the small drifting of sync may create dynamic phasing errors that make the stereo width breathe. Or are you running them to play two loops against each other? I think I would do like to that more if I had two EDPs. Setting them to two different midi channels and have a couple of FCB banks for each one as well as some FCB banks for trimming the two loops simultaneously. A third way is to run them in tandem, having the option of recording the first EDPs output into second EDP, but right now I can't imagine any good things coming from that. Will you post your findings? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 18:24:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F3E73BF2E; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:23:58 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000401c5857c$89e62f10$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A13B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:24:00 +0000 (UTC) To Kris an others with two EDP`s. While talking about syncing two EDP`s I``ll use the chance to ask about sync problems. Even when hooked up right I have problems. For each repeat of a loop the soundstage will drift over to one side more and more and getting out of phase. Next time (loop) it might drift over to the other side. More or less randomly. This has been discussed before, I believe. Someone installed some new clock(s) ? What to do about it? Both my EDP`s are from the same period (beige Gibson). Thanks! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:39 PM Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) I'll give it a try. I was wondering, since my problem only occurs with both units, what about using my MIDI splitter to go from the FCB to the EDPs, rather than to one EDP and then MIDI out of that one to the next? I would still use the Brother Sync of course. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) On Jul 10, 2005, at 11:57, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Before I start troubleshooting in detail, I thought I would try > resetting the FCB to factory state first. However, I am confused by > what the manual says about this. It shows three ways to perform a > factory > reset: V-AMP family products, BEHRINGER guitar amps, and BASS V-AMP > product range. Is there a particular reset option I should choose? No. Whatever reset you use you will have to empty the banks and put in new data for the EDP. When programming your FCB banks you must be aware of that the FCB can send multiple midi commands on every button press. In the FCB patch programming mode you have to disable everything except for what the EDP needs. Otherwise you will go nuts when trying to get it right ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 18:31:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD4433BF4E; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <000401c5857c$89e62f10$0200000a@remwavesnet> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A13B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <000401c5857c$89e62f10$0200000a@remwavesnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5EDF1F71-D83B-4AEA-ABEB-60A7FC81B13F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:31:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:31:33 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 10, 2005, at 20:23, Torstein H. Rem wrote: > To Kris an others with two EDP`s. > > While talking about syncing two EDP`s I``ll use the chance to ask > about sync problems. > Even when hooked up right I have problems. For each repeat of a > loop the soundstage > will drift over to one side more and more and getting out of phase. > Next time (loop) it might drift > over to the other side. More or less randomly. > This has been discussed before, I believe. Someone installed some > new clock(s) ? > What to do about it? > Both my EDP`s are from the same period (beige Gibson). > > Thanks! > T. And how do you synchronize them? One to the other by midi clock, both to each other by brother sync or both to an external midi clock source? The last method can be done either by letting the midi pass through one and into another or by splitting the midi clock sent and leading it directly into both EDPs. I guess you would already use the latest method if you run them set to the same midi channel, i.e. as two clones reacting to the same midi controller data. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 18:35:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1F053BF51; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:35:19 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A13C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) thread-index: AcWFfBEYyw+OcSKWQMiHJ8fd8Y0yxwAAaWCw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 18:35:20.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[20405E30:01C5857E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:35:23 +0000 (UTC) =20 -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 > Are you running them in parallel to catch stereo loops (i.e. recording the same thing into them both, taking audio outputs as Left/ Right)?=20 Yes, I run them to preserve and loop my stereo effects from my rack and laptop...the EDPs are theh last in the signal chain before going to the mixer board....one left, and the other right. > That's interesting because the small drifting of sync may create dynamic phasing errors that make the stereo width breathe.=20 I have never experienced any drift since I followed Kim's advise on the threshold setting. I create some loops that are over 1 minute long, and never experience drift between the two units. > Or are you running them to play two loops against each other? I think I would do like to that more if I had two EDPs. Setting them to two different midi channels and have a couple of FCB banks for each one as well as some FCB banks for trimming the two loops simultaneously. A third way is to run them in tandem, having the option of recording the first EDPs output into second EDP, but right now I can't imagine any good things coming from that. I bet these would produce some interesting results....I would need four EDPs to keep my stereo output. > Will you post your findings? Yes indeed. I like the MIDI splitting idea. I will try that first. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 18:40:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44DD53BF47; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:40:08 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A13D@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) thread-index: AcWFfI4CAo6yEgBdQjCNAmmhZCkqSQAAgAVw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 18:40:15.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFE91660:01C5857E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Torstein - Before I get to working on my FCB, I'll post the parameters that fixed my drift problems several months ago...haven't had any problems since then....I use the TSR cable connect the two units via Brother Sync, plus run MIDI out from one to the MIDI in of the other. Kris Parameter settings for both units, horizontal across the unit, left to right:=20 Loops=20 MoreLoops=3D2L=20 AutoRecord=3DON=20 LoopCopy=3DOFF=20 SwitchQuant=3DLOP=20 LoopTrig#=3D84=20 Velocity=3DOFF=20 SamplerStyle=3DRUN=20 MIDI=20 Channel=3D1=20 ControlSource=3DCtr (FIRST CRITICAL SETTING, AS STATED IN MANUAL...could be "not" as well)=20 Source#=3D36=20 VolumeCont=3D7=20 FeedBkCont=3D1=20 Dump=3D001 h=20 Load=3D001 -=20 Switches=20 RecordMode=3DtOG=20 OverdubMode=3DtOG=20 RoundMode=3DOFF=20 InsertMode=3DrEV=20 MuteMode=3DStA=20 Overflow=3DPLY=20 Presets=3DPr.E=20 Timing=20 Loop/Delay=3DLOP=20 Quantize=3DOFF=20 8ths/Cycle=3D1=20 Sync=3DOUT (SECOND CRITICAL SETTING, AS STATED IN MANUAL)=20 Threshold=3D0 (THIRD CRITICAL SETTING, NOT IN MANUAL...NEEDS TO BE SET = TO 0)=20 Reverse=3D[Shows No Setting]=20 StartPoint=3D[Shows No Setting, but "1" at the first LED]=20 -----Original Message----- From: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:thelgere@online.no]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) To Kris an others with two EDP`s. While talking about syncing two EDP`s I``ll use the chance to ask about sync problems. Even when hooked up right I have problems. For each repeat of a loop the soundstage will drift over to one side more and more and getting out of phase. Next time (loop) it might drift over to the other side. More or less randomly. This has been discussed before, I believe. Someone installed some new clock(s) ? What to do about it? Both my EDP`s are from the same period (beige Gibson). Thanks! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:39 PM Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) I'll give it a try. I was wondering, since my problem only occurs with both units, what about using my MIDI splitter to go from the FCB to the EDPs, rather than to one EDP and then MIDI out of that one to the next? I would still use the Brother Sync of course. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) On Jul 10, 2005, at 11:57, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Before I start troubleshooting in detail, I thought I would try=20 > resetting the FCB to factory state first. However, I am confused by=20 > what the manual says about this. It shows three ways to perform a=20 > factory > reset: V-AMP family products, BEHRINGER guitar amps, and BASS V-AMP=20 > product range. Is there a particular reset option I should choose? No. Whatever reset you use you will have to empty the banks and put in new data for the EDP. When programming your FCB banks you must be aware of that the FCB can send multiple midi commands on every button press. In the FCB patch programming mode you have to disable everything except for what the EDP needs. 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This Tuesday July 12th - Io with General Chaos Visuals "Io: Gamelan Mitra Kusuma Dub" is a rare solo performance of minimal, futuristic world music by David Font. This piece is a hybrid of the acoustic brass percussion, drum and flute music of Bali, Indonesia and the samplers, synthesizers, and effects of electronic music. Stripped down, densely layered, and transformed in the digital realm, the reconstituted sound of Gamelan Mitra Kusuma assumes new, abstract dimensions. Intricate interlocking patterns pulse and recede, gongs transform into analog tones, and the sounds of insects in the night harmonize with the delicate echoes of flutes. Synthesized, ancient classical music traditions and high-tech digital experiments form a natural musical vocabulary. It is not rhythm, melody, or harmony that gives shape to music, but sound, acoustic, synthetic or sampled. Travelling through these sounds, the listener finds layer upon layer of meaning, moving from ambient meditations to abstract percussive tracks. More Io info at www.eleguarecords.com. Gamelan Mitra Kusuma, which means 'Flowering Friendship', is an ensemble based in Washington, DC which studies and performs music and dance of Bali, Indonesia. I Nyoman Suadin, the ensemble's director, is a composer, musician, dancer, and puppeteer from Denpasar, Bali. More Gamelan Mitra Kusuma & Balinese Gamelan info at www.dcgamelan.com "Io: Gamelan Mitra Kusuma Dub" is dedicated to Michael Marcuzzi, (who cannot attend due to serious illness - from which he is recovering successfully!), Laura Mae Lindo, and Sofia. General Chaos Visuals will be creating their fabulous analog light paintings along with Io's unique sound performance. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com Between Sets CD - "Slim Westerns" by a small, good thing This 1994 release by a small, good thing (led by Andrew Hulme of British ethno-tribal-ambient act O Yuki Conjugate) merges the classic "western" sounds of acoustic & electric guitars with expansive laid-back ambience. (soleilmoon recordings) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday July 19th PHH!K and Gnostic Rocket http://www.phhk.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek Tuesday, July 5th featured an evening of ambient guitar with Oldine from Paris, France and Toronto's own Aidan Baker. Oldine & Aidan Baker have both released albums on the French label Le Cri de la Harpe. Even though they had never met before this week, the two found that their similar musical sensibilities made it incredibly easy to play together. Oldine (aka Thomas Robyn) performed a mellow, minimalist 1st set. Thomas' adroit use of laptop, minidisc, and guitar underscored his quiet stage presence while foregrounding his beautifully gentle atmospherics. Looping guitar maestro Aidan Baker began his set with subtly pulsing soundscapes. Sitting crossed legged onstage, Aidan looped and bowed his guitar, steering the music into darker terrain midway through the 2nd set. Reassuring in its melodic simplicity, the two guitarists teamed up for a 3rd set that enveloped the audience in all-embracing, embryonic sound. More info: http://www.aidanbaker.org http://www.lecridelaharpe.com/oldine Luna Tek - Please send e-mail queries & submissions for "I POP PiNG" magazine (launching September 2005) to luna@theambientping.com. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Portal have been making warm and beautiful shoegazerish electronica for a number of years now. I've been keeping track of their work for a while, adding their discs to the ping things catalogue, doing little reviews for them, recommending them to friends I know will be interested. They've been something I've enjoyed sharing with others. And with the release of "Waves and Echoes" I'm pleased to say that they have a wonderful new disc that stands with the best of what they've done to this point. This is the one that stands out, the one that really deserves to make people stand up and say, "Damn, that's a great disc!" Switching between lush instrumental pieces and lovely emotive vocal tracks, "Waves and Echoes" is a brilliant collection of tracks that resonate with the listener long after the last notes have faded. Take for example "Trace", where a slow lounge-y beat weaves in between a short keyboard program courtesy of Scott Sinfield. Vocalist Rachel Hughes provides engaging vocals and all told it becomes quite a smooth sensual experience. "Quartet" follows, using a repeated phrase over a soft drone, becoming one of the most hypnotic pieces I've heard in some time. As the track progresses other elements are added, but none so overpowering that they detract from the initial idea, rather they draw you in further, encircling you. Brilliant work. Title track "Waves and Echoes" features Rachel's vocals matched with minimal tones and pads. It's a lovely piece filled with some brilliant lyrical turns of phrase that really connected with me. Sparse and lovely, this one stands out as a particular highlight of the disc. "Endgame" blends glitchy patches with a quiet bell melody. A nice example of how genres and ideals can be put together in refreshing and appealing ways. Skip ahead to "Sometimes", a song that brings to mind 40's film noir with the requisite smoky vocals and jazzy percussion. There's a lovely tension to this one, and we all know how much I like tension in my music... "Light at the Centre" closes the disc, a swirling shoegazer piece that wouldn't seem out of place in a Gregg Araki film. It's a beautiful number, Rachel's vocals, chiming guitar, minimal drums, something so hopeful and bright about it that I can't help but feel my heart break from happiness. And that's pretty cool. Portal make great music, and "Waves and Echoes" is a fine example of how great they are. I could spend time trying to sum up my points in favor of this statement, but I think it's better to let the music stand for itself. Check it out, you won't be disappointed. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 22:30:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 685363BF3A; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010a01c585a1$b52bc2a0$2d578304@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A13D@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:50:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: <260keD.A.fy._Fa0CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:30:23 +0000 (UTC) "run MIDI out from one to the MIDI in of the other." Are you sure your going MIDI out to MIDI in? Shouldn't it be MIDI thru from the first EDP to MIDI in on the second EDP. So that the FCB commands are passed thru to both units. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 23:08:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 789DE3BF41; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: The PiNG presents Io with General Chaos Visuals X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:08:32 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A146@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The PiNG presents Io with General Chaos Visuals thread-index: AcWFm703CVVUW+3NSwuIaO9XaAeypAACFL1g From: "Hartung, Kris" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 23:08:34.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C3241E0:01C585A4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Is this open to musicians only from Toronto? I think I emailed someone from Ambient Ping last year, and they said they were considering or preparing to allow performances from musicians from other countries. =20 Kris -----Original Message----- From: Scott M2 [mailto:scott@dreamstate.to]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:11 PM To: Ambient@hyperreal; Dark Seeds; Drone Deep Chill; Loopers Delight; The Ambient Way Subject: The PiNG presents Io with General Chaos Visuals THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 12th - Io with General Chaos Visuals "Io: Gamelan Mitra Kusuma Dub" is a rare solo performance of minimal, futuristic world music by David Font. This piece is a hybrid of the acoustic brass percussion, drum and flute music of Bali, Indonesia and the samplers, synthesizers, and effects of electronic music. Stripped down, densely layered, and transformed in the digital realm, the reconstituted sound of Gamelan Mitra Kusuma assumes new, abstract dimensions. Intricate interlocking patterns pulse and recede, gongs transform into analog tones, and the sounds of insects in the night harmonize with the delicate echoes of flutes. Synthesized, ancient classical music traditions and high-tech digital experiments form a natural musical vocabulary. It is not rhythm, melody, or harmony that gives shape to music, but sound, acoustic, synthetic or sampled. Travelling through these sounds, the listener finds layer upon layer of meaning, moving from ambient meditations to abstract percussive tracks. More Io info at www.eleguarecords.com. Gamelan Mitra Kusuma, which means 'Flowering Friendship', is an ensemble based in Washington, DC which studies and performs music and dance of Bali, Indonesia. I Nyoman Suadin, the ensemble's director, is a composer, musician, dancer, and puppeteer from Denpasar, Bali. More Gamelan Mitra Kusuma & Balinese Gamelan info at www.dcgamelan.com "Io: Gamelan Mitra Kusuma Dub" is dedicated to Michael Marcuzzi, (who cannot attend due to serious illness - from which he is recovering successfully!), Laura Mae Lindo, and Sofia. General Chaos Visuals will be creating their fabulous analog light paintings along with Io's unique sound performance. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com Between Sets CD - "Slim Westerns" by a small, good thing This 1994 release by a small, good thing (led by Andrew Hulme of British ethno-tribal-ambient act O Yuki Conjugate) merges the classic "western" sounds of acoustic & electric guitars with expansive laid-back ambience. (soleilmoon recordings) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday July 19th PHH!K and Gnostic Rocket http://www.phhk.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek Tuesday, July 5th featured an evening of ambient guitar with Oldine from Paris, France and Toronto's own Aidan Baker. Oldine & Aidan Baker have both released albums on the French label Le Cri de la Harpe. Even though they had never met before this week, the two found that their similar musical sensibilities made it incredibly easy to play together. Oldine (aka Thomas Robyn) performed a mellow, minimalist 1st set. Thomas' adroit use of laptop, minidisc, and guitar underscored his quiet stage presence while foregrounding his beautifully gentle atmospherics. Looping guitar maestro Aidan Baker began his set with subtly pulsing soundscapes. Sitting crossed legged onstage, Aidan looped and bowed his guitar, steering the music into darker terrain midway through the 2nd set. Reassuring in its melodic simplicity, the two guitarists teamed up for a 3rd set that enveloped the audience in all-embracing, embryonic sound. More info: http://www.aidanbaker.org http://www.lecridelaharpe.com/oldine=20 =20 Luna Tek - Please send e-mail queries & submissions for "I POP PiNG" magazine (launching September 2005) to luna@theambientping.com. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Portal have been making warm and beautiful shoegazerish electronica for a number of years now. I've been keeping track of their work for a while, adding their discs to the ping things catalogue, doing little reviews for them, recommending them to friends I know will be interested. They've been something I've enjoyed sharing with others. And with the release of "Waves and Echoes" I'm pleased to say that they have a wonderful new disc that stands with the best of what they've done to this point. This is the one that stands out, the one that really deserves to make people stand up and say, "Damn, that's a great disc!" Switching between lush instrumental pieces and lovely emotive vocal tracks, "Waves and Echoes" is a brilliant collection of tracks that resonate with the listener long after the last notes have faded. Take for example "Trace", where a slow lounge-y beat weaves in between a short keyboard program courtesy of Scott Sinfield. Vocalist Rachel Hughes provides engaging vocals and all told it becomes quite a smooth sensual experience. "Quartet" follows, using a repeated phrase over a soft drone, becoming one of the most hypnotic pieces I've heard in some time. As the track progresses other elements are added, but none so overpowering that they detract from the initial idea, rather they draw you in further, encircling you. Brilliant work. Title track "Waves and Echoes" features Rachel's vocals matched with minimal tones and pads. It's a lovely piece filled with some brilliant lyrical turns of phrase that really connected with me. Sparse and lovely, this one stands out as a particular highlight of the disc. "Endgame" blends glitchy patches with a quiet bell melody. A nice example of how genres and ideals can be put together in refreshing and appealing ways. Skip ahead to "Sometimes", a song that brings to mind 40's film noir with the requisite smoky vocals and jazzy percussion. There's a lovely tension to this one, and we all know how much I like tension in my music... "Light at the Centre" closes the disc, a swirling shoegazer piece that wouldn't seem out of place in a Gregg Araki film. It's a beautiful number, Rachel's vocals, chiming guitar, minimal drums, something so hopeful and bright about it that I can't help but feel my heart break from happiness. And that's pretty cool. Portal make great music, and "Waves and Echoes" is a fine example of how great they are. I could spend time trying to sum up my points in favor of this statement, but I think it's better to let the music stand for itself. Check it out, you won't be disappointed. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 23:11:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B23273BF3A; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:11:08 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A147@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) thread-index: AcWFnvkh3ziQZgiMTt+7FA4cAMHj5wABVwJQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2005 23:11:09.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[A858CD90:01C585A4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:11:10 +0000 (UTC) I've been using it like that for a year, recording, performing, etc, but not with the FCB. Is this how it should work with the FCB, using the Thru rather than Out? I was just connecting it according the the manual's instructions for stereo operation. Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Williamson [mailto:rdwiv@webtv.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) "run MIDI out from one to the MIDI in of the other." Are you sure your going MIDI out to MIDI in? Shouldn't it be MIDI thru from the first EDP to MIDI in on the second EDP. So that the FCB commands are passed thru to both units. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 10 23:26:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 701873BF4E; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: EDP out (KH dual EDP question) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:26:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A147@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> thread-index: AcWFnvkh3ziQZgiMTt+7FA4cAMHj5wABVwJQAACPvVA= Message-Id: <20050710232616.JLYB18672.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Out is soft thru--might be toggleable. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) I've been using it like that for a year, recording, performing, etc, but not with the FCB. Is this how it should work with the FCB, using the Thru rather than Out? I was just connecting it according the the manual's instructions for stereo operation. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Rick Williamson [mailto:rdwiv@webtv.net] Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) "run MIDI out from one to the MIDI in of the other." Are you sure your going MIDI out to MIDI in? Shouldn't it be MIDI thru from the first EDP to MIDI in on the second EDP. So that the FCB commands are passed thru to both units. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 01:22:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83D4E3BF51; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:22:12 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A14A@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) thread-index: AcWFfBEYyw+OcSKWQMiHJ8fd8Y0yxwAOmw/g From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2005 01:22:14.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8016430:01C585B6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:22:19 +0000 (UTC) =20 > Will you post your findings? [from Per] Arggggggg! Okay, this IS starting to drive me nuts. The marriage of my EDPs with the FCB will surely drive me to drink. First, I am using my MIDI splitter to go out of the FCB into the MIDI In's of my two EDPs. This seems to work fine, but the problem I had initially still persists. So I reset my FCB to factory defaults and set every function (program change, control, expression pedal) to a MIDI channel other than 1, and I only have the Note function of the FCB assigned to that channel (1). So the unit should not be sending any other data to the EDPs via MIDI. =20 But the same problem occurs now on both units. Per, thanks for the splitter suggestion because now it occurs on both units, which at least gives us some consistent behavior between the two units and the FCB.=20 Basically, I hit record to record a loop, play a measure, hit Record to start playback, and then the loop stops after playing once. All of the LEDs - Record through NextLoop - on the EDPs are on, and the Switches and Timing LEDs are blinking a the same time at the beginning of the loop. It is as if the EDPs are playing the loop back internally, but not sending it to ouput. My newly set parameters on the EDPs are below. Any more suggestions? Again, the units work perfectly when I use the Echoplex controller. My guess is that it is something utterly simple that I need to change, just like when I couldn't get the units to sync up last year and all I had to do is change the Threshold parameter to 0. Thanks,=20 Kris=20 Loops=20 MoreLoops=3D1L AutoRecord=3DON LoopCopy=3DOFF SwitchQuant=3DLOP LoopTrig#=3D84 Velocity=3DOFF SamplerStyle=3DRUN=20 MIDI=20 Channel=3D1 ControlSource=3DNot Source#=3D0 VolumeCont=3D7 FeedBkCont=3D1 Dump=3D001 h Load=3D001 -=20 Switches=20 RecordMode=3DtOG OverdubMode=3DtOG RoundMode=3DOFF InsertMode=3DrEV MuteMode=3DStA Overflow=3DPLY Presets=3DPr.E=20 Timing=20 Loop/Delay=3DLOP Quantize=3DOFF 8ths/Cycle=3D1 Sync=3DOUT Threshold=3D0 Reverse=3D[Shows No Setting] StartPoint=3D[Shows No Setting, but "1" at the first LED]=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 01:55:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7BEA3BF47; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: 0% X-Terra-Hash: 22f91a01977a1410d8234f015c7b787e Received-SPF: none (congo.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.141 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.141; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[80.242.202.242]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:55:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: zen and the fluent music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:55:43 +0000 (UTC) it seems to me that far over 90% of the ever played music ended in the same theme as it started in, because its basically showing a single picture. There may be some dynamic, even a story in the middle, a natural way to show a picture is to show its total first, then go into details, back to the total, some other detail .... and close at the total. But movies, literature and real life follow different rules: Often the end tries to remind of the beginning, but the story really grows from one situation into a irreversible different situation. Music can be like that and still be easy to follow. Only most musicians are hardly able to play like that and claim that the public wants some ABACA... structure... probably a reminder of old dance styles and polite forms... and simply a help for the memory... easy composing... ? While Photographs will continue to make sense, experience Movie! :-) Minimalists slowly do it. Free improvisers try, with lots of crashes... a great challenge! Loopers that reduce Feedback inevitably do it, safely. Loopers using several tracks or units may do it, in a less linear way. There may be better algorithms, still... I have written arround this many times, but the messages crystallize more and more over the years: use BrotherSync ! to play together. Enjoy to complement your friends sound with yours without the typical "share of work": base - solo. Each one has the tool for the base and can talk freely with the others, no danger to loose the base. use more Melodies (and noises) than Chords ! because they leave more space for your partners and yourself to bend your idea. the harmonies turn into the interpretation for the basic melodies or the result of multiple melodies instead of the usual prison for the solo... use Feedback ! and learn to develop (not just grow) fluently. More evolution and less revolution. constantly reduced Feedback brings the constant development and is interesting, but would not be enough for me. My loop trip started when I inserted a volume pedal in the FeedBack loop of the Roland 3000 delay. To tell a story we should be able to control the evolution factor and alter between traveling and contemplating phases. Some units do some freeze or reduce Feedback automatically while Overdubbing. Interesting simplification. Fits to the reality that when we take new steps, we slowly get away from the old... It reminds me of walking backwards because we see the old stuff fade but dont see the new coming. A training to deal with destiny... maybe repetition is needed to reduce fear? happy looping (and dealing with material world...) Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 02:07:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1E343BF51; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=bWxrD2ijjJhQ14aSztEsHKlDEsgT9pYoqpsRAk84ch1H5JLpZPbPND9OVI2ypalT; Message-ID: <410-2200571112138870@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Vestax Faderboard (was Re: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:13:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9408283bd3041287bf71549dfa8280dac8d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.129.245 Resent-Message-ID: <0b4caD.A.bcG.JRd0CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:07:05 +0000 (UTC) I bookmarked the Faderboard page! Awesome. And thanks, Kris, for printing the exotic scale degrees. BTW, if I have not weighed in on your Looping DVD, it's only because my DVD player did not recognize it. Maybe there was an error during the burning process? Yours in Sound, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Hartung, Kris > To: > Date: 7/10/2005 5:29:33 AM > Subject: RE: Vestax Faderboard (was Re: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc > > Thanks! You gotta love those scales presets! How often to you see the > gypsy and arabic scales burned in a piece of musical technology? :) I > have't seen those scales called out for some time. > > NAME DEGREES > Arabian 1, 2, b3, 4, b5, b6, 6, 7 > Balinese 1, b2, b3, 5, b6 > Chinese 1, 3, #4, 5, 7 > Composite 1, b2, b3, 3, #4, 5, b6, b7 > Egyptian 1, 2, 4, 5, b7 > Enigmatic 1, b2, 3, #4, #5, #6, 7 > Hinduston 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, b6, b7 > Hungarian 1, #2, 3, #4, 5, 6, b7 > Hungarian gypsy 1, 2, b3, #4, 5, b6, b7 > Japanese 1, b2, 4, 5, b6 > Neapolitan major 1, b2, b3, 4, 5, 6, 7 > Neapolitan minor 1, b2, b3, 4, 5, b6, 7 > Oriental 1, b2, 3, 4, b5, 6, b7 > Overtone 1, 2, 3, #4, 5, 6, b7 > Pelog 1, b2, b3, 5, b6 > Persian 1, b2, 3, 4, b5, b6, 7 > Romanian 1, 2, b3, #4, 5, 6, b7 > Scribian 1, b2, 3, 5, 6 > Symmetrical 1, b2, b3, 3, #4, 5, 6, b7 > > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:11 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Vestax Faderboard (was Re: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, > tablas, etc > > On Jul 10, 2005, at 6:23, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > > What's the Vestax Faderboard? > > Here's a shorter description with a picture: http://www.e22.com/ > faderboard/ > > "The Vestax Faderboard is a keyboard-like sampling / modular instrument > that operates exclusively on faders". > > Feature-set: > > * 10 upfaders, designed to trigger notes / hits (3 step curve / octave > switch) > * 1 cross fader (curve / reverse switch) > * 30 internal tones (half note = +/- 100 cent tuning) > * 10 internal drum kits (BPM setting 20 - 999) > * root key assign / # button (12 half steps) > * 6 scale presets (major, minor, arabic, gypsy, blue note) > * midi out triggering capability (midi notes 35 - 64) > * 12 internal effects > * sampling capability (30 secs, 16bit mono) > * sample start / end slider (reversible) > * smartmedia / on-board storage (10 banks) > * .wav compatible via smartmedia > * phono / line / mic input > * panel color: first run in red only > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 02:08:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F7223BF3A; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=PdOobJAP8BkyU1p3h1hNUppAC0NOyjbojwrOQoD0ajgEopuaMFBxvaFlVYBG7Sws; Message-ID: <410-22005711121454930@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:14:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940db72274d05327165578f2032dbf82ea4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.129.245 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:08:50 +0000 (UTC) you play tablas, too? whoa.... > [Original Message] > From: Hartung, Kris > To: > Date: 7/10/2005 12:23:19 AM > Subject: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc > > > kosmic renaissance in jazz news: > http://home.nestor.minsk.by/jazz/news/2005/07/0805.html "This trio > pushes jazz to the edge with tabla drumming, live saxophone and > saxophone looping, and groundbreaking emceeing using the newest in > technology, the Vestax Faderboard, developed by Kosmic Renaissance > artist Shing02. David Boyce (sax), Sameer Gupta (tabla), Shing02 > (emcee)." > > Their website with some sound samples: > http://www.isotoperecords.com/KA.htm > > "KA is a trio of accomplished Bay Area improvisers concerned with the > exploration of sound, texture, and rhythm, Toni Pope (vocals, efx), > Sameer Gupta (tabla, drums), and David Boyce (saxophone, bass clarinet, > synth) conjure other worldly tones that are as ancient as the pyramids, > and as futuristic as quantum physics. It is an abstract sound that > speaks to our soulful cosmic selves; an intuitive music expressing the > essence of our collective creative consciousness. " > > What's the Vestax Faderboard? > > Interesting. I really like the second sample. It's great to hear Tablas > used more with looping instruments. I've been bringing mine to my > performances lately. I build a soundscape, and then sit on the ground > and solo with them. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 02:12:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D13503BF61; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: RE: Vestax Faderboard (was Re: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:11:27 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A14B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Vestax Faderboard (was Re: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc thread-index: AcWFvT76swAXTW5QTL6mL5sXlmnmYgAAE/oQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2005 02:11:28.0404 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8E3AD40:01C585BD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:12:39 +0000 (UTC) =20 > BTW, if I have not weighed in on your Looping DVD, it's only because my DVD player did not recognize it. Maybe there was an error during the burning process?=20 Yours in Sound, Tim You may have received one of my old versions, which I burned in PAL (European) format. Only some US players play those, such as mine. At least you can download it in WMV or RM format now. =20 Yeah, thos scales are wild....amazing what you can do with 12 notes! Kris > [Original Message] > From: Hartung, Kris > To: > Date: 7/10/2005 5:29:33 AM > Subject: RE: Vestax Faderboard (was Re: kosmic renaissance - sax=20 > looping, tablas, etc > > Thanks! You gotta love those scales presets! How often to you see the=20 > gypsy and arabic scales burned in a piece of musical technology? :) I > have't seen those scales called out for some time. > > NAME DEGREES=20 > Arabian 1, 2, b3, 4, b5, b6, 6, 7 > Balinese 1, b2, b3, 5, b6 > Chinese 1, 3, #4, 5, 7 > Composite 1, b2, b3, 3, #4, 5, b6, b7 Egyptian 1, 2, 4, 5, b7=20 > Enigmatic 1, b2, 3, #4, #5, #6, 7 Hinduston 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, b6, b7=20 > Hungarian 1, #2, 3, #4, 5, 6, b7 Hungarian gypsy 1, 2, b3, #4, 5, b6,=20 > b7 Japanese 1, b2, 4, 5, b6 Neapolitan major 1, b2, b3, 4, 5, 6, 7=20 > Neapolitan minor 1, b2, b3, 4, 5, b6, 7 Oriental 1, b2, 3, 4, b5, 6,=20 > b7 Overtone 1, 2, 3, #4, 5, 6, b7 Pelog 1, b2, b3, 5, b6 Persian 1,=20 > b2, 3, 4, b5, b6, 7 Romanian 1, 2, b3, #4, 5, 6, b7 Scribian 1, b2, 3, > 5, 6 Symmetrical 1, b2, b3, 3, #4, 5, 6, b7 > > > Kris > =20 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:11 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Vestax Faderboard (was Re: kosmic renaissance - sax looping,=20 > tablas, etc > > On Jul 10, 2005, at 6:23, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > > What's the Vestax Faderboard? > > Here's a shorter description with a picture: http://www.e22.com/=20 > faderboard/ > > "The Vestax Faderboard is a keyboard-like sampling / modular=20 > instrument that operates exclusively on faders". > > Feature-set: > > * 10 upfaders, designed to trigger notes / hits (3 step curve /=20 > octave > switch) > * 1 cross fader (curve / reverse switch) > * 30 internal tones (half note =3D +/- 100 cent tuning) > * 10 internal drum kits (BPM setting 20 - 999) > * root key assign / # button (12 half steps) > * 6 scale presets (major, minor, arabic, gypsy, blue note) > * midi out triggering capability (midi notes 35 - 64) > * 12 internal effects > * sampling capability (30 secs, 16bit mono) > * sample start / end slider (reversible) > * smartmedia / on-board storage (10 banks) > * .wav compatible via smartmedia > * phono / line / mic input > * panel color: first run in red only > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 02:13:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CF753BF69; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=ExGKliNdcIiu28dr2NsqjRKqT+lPQPsDclAOCuH6k1LW5ZNKenXshIG4X8Uo37TQ; Message-ID: <410-22005711121923630@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Roland EV-10 and the VF-1 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:19:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940687c9338320bf1f73bd6f371566ea934350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.129.245 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! "Latest operating system is 1.13" Mine is the old code that does not include the speaker-simulation addendum patch mentioned in the off-the-web owner's manual. 1. That's not a problem? 2. Is it worth the trouble getting the VF-1 reflashed with the new code, seeing as I am just getting acquainted with the unit? > [Original Message] > From: jeremy > To: > Cc: Timothy Mungenast > Date: 7/10/2005 8:27:29 AM > Subject: Roland EV-10 and the VF-1 > > Hi Tim, > > > Schematic below: > > > 50k ohm linear > _______/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\______ > | | | > | | | > | | | > * * * > track wiper earth/ground > > > ring tip sleeve (to VF-1) > > > Latest operating system is 1.13 > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > http://www.masse.org.uk > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 02:27:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CA483BF62; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:27:15 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A14E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc thread-index: AcWFvXxZZef2hmKvReSJUPrhltGE8QAAF/vA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2005 02:27:16.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DFDA970:01C585C0] Resent-Message-ID: <9yiW0D.A.i8G.Gkd0CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Yes, but despite learning from videos and books, I am a sloppy, fake tablas player....I just transferred my fast guitar playing and sense of rhythm to fast fingers on the tablas skins. It gets me by. :) In no way do I claim to be a real tablas player, nor a sitar player for that matter. Here are sample of my half-assed tablas and sitar playing.=20 Tablas - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/263509.html=20 Sitar - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/263508.html=20 Cheers, Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 8:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc you play tablas, too? whoa.... > [Original Message] > From: Hartung, Kris > To: > Date: 7/10/2005 12:23:19 AM > Subject: kosmic renaissance - sax looping, tablas, etc > > > kosmic renaissance in jazz news: > http://home.nestor.minsk.by/jazz/news/2005/07/0805.html "This trio=20 > pushes jazz to the edge with tabla drumming, live saxophone and=20 > saxophone looping, and groundbreaking emceeing using the newest in=20 > technology, the Vestax Faderboard, developed by Kosmic Renaissance=20 > artist Shing02. David Boyce (sax), Sameer Gupta (tabla), Shing02=20 > (emcee)." > > Their website with some sound samples: > http://www.isotoperecords.com/KA.htm > > "KA is a trio of accomplished Bay Area improvisers concerned with the=20 > exploration of sound, texture, and rhythm, Toni Pope (vocals, efx),=20 > Sameer Gupta (tabla, drums), and David Boyce (saxophone, bass=20 > clarinet, > synth) conjure other worldly tones that are as ancient as the=20 > pyramids, and as futuristic as quantum physics. It is an abstract=20 > sound that speaks to our soulful cosmic selves; an intuitive music=20 > expressing the essence of our collective creative consciousness. " > > What's the Vestax Faderboard? > > Interesting. I really like the second sample. It's great to hear=20 > Tablas used more with looping instruments. I've been bringing mine to=20 > my performances lately. I build a soundscape, and then sit on the=20 > ground and solo with them. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 03:27:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD1D93BF59; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:24:45 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A163@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: zen and the fluent music thread-index: AcWFu6iqvm3UIf8+Rfq47+QFG2UqDQACUTEw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2005 03:24:47.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[16BD3820:01C585C8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:27:45 +0000 (UTC) "[Snip]... Only most musicians are hardly able to play like that and claim that the public wants some ABACA... structure... probably a reminder of old dance styles and polite forms... and simply a help for the memory... easy composing... ?" Probably true, though it strikes me as odd based on how my brain works with music. I actually find it easier to compose or perform non-repetitive free improv, rather than music with some structure. Building structure based on rules seems like a lot of work! The structure usually becomes a psychological inhibitor for me, stifling creativity and freedom of expression. In fact, I feel more at ease with myself as a musician and in tune with the flow of things when I pick up my guitar, randomly pick a note on the fret board, and start playing as if I were having a conversation or telling a story to someone....nothing really repeats...mostly notes... maybe an occasional dyad or triad to make a point, etc. It all depends on what you want to say. I like that looping that sort of thing for about 2 minutes, then having a conversation with myself in parallel....complementing the first version of the story with a parallel version, which ends up creating a whole new story. Moreover, it doesn't surprise me that many people have an affinity toward repetition. I don't think we can blame the human kind for this sort of behavior. After all, nature is based on repetition (waves, cycles, seasons, bio-rhythms, vibrations, predictability, etc), and we are a part of nature...it makes sense to me that when we evolve in a system that exhibits a tremendous amount of repetition that we (the majority that is) will naturally evolve to be attracted to repetition. It's hard to "prescribe" that people should go against repetition, when they are a natural part of, and generated from a system that is based on repetition. However, based on your 90% rule, some will breakout of this affinity...which isn't surprising either. The bell curve in nature allows for all this deviation. Some of us just happen to be on one end of the curve. Everyone does what they do, everyone is what it is on this spectrum. Hence, we should really celebrate this diversity rather than prescribing that the middle of the bell curve join us on one end of the spectrum....that seems to me to go against the natural flow of things. If someone wants to play ABABCA all night, and this provides enjoyment and fulfillment to him/her...then that's what they should do. That just may be what seems natural to them, but not so to others who don't get off on structure and repition. Different strokes for different folks, man...let them eat cake! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 04:19:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADFBC3BF71; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:23:57 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <013001c585d0$5b0c4630$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-reply-to: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A14A@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Just a troubleshooting suggestion - to take the FCB out of the equation. If you have a MIDI keyboard, try sending appropriate notes from it and see if both machines will respond properly. (Try it first without the MIDI splitter - just the keyboard into the "in" of the master and the "out" of the master into the "in" of the slave [and with the brothersync].) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again > (factory reset guidance) > > > > > Will you post your findings? [from Per] > > Arggggggg! Okay, this IS starting to drive me nuts. The > marriage of my > EDPs with the FCB will surely drive me to drink. First, I am using my > MIDI splitter to go out of the FCB into the MIDI In's of my two EDPs. > This seems to work fine, but the problem I had initially > still persists. > So I reset my FCB to factory defaults and set every function (program > change, control, expression pedal) to a MIDI channel other > than 1, and I > only have the Note function of the FCB assigned to that > channel (1). So > the unit should not be sending any other data to the EDPs via MIDI. > > But the same problem occurs now on both units. Per, thanks for the > splitter suggestion because now it occurs on both units, > which at least > gives us some consistent behavior between the two units and the FCB. > > Basically, I hit record to record a loop, play a measure, hit > Record to > start playback, and then the loop stops after playing once. All of the > LEDs - Record through NextLoop - on the EDPs are on, and > the Switches > and Timing LEDs are blinking a the same time at the beginning of the > loop. It is as if the EDPs are playing the loop back > internally, but not > sending it to ouput. My newly set parameters on the EDPs are > below. Any > more suggestions? Again, the units work perfectly when I use the > Echoplex controller. My guess is that it is something utterly simple > that I need to change, just like when I couldn't get the units to sync > up last year and all I had to do is change the Threshold > parameter to 0. > > Thanks, > > Kris > > Loops > > MoreLoops=1L > AutoRecord=ON > LoopCopy=OFF > SwitchQuant=LOP > LoopTrig#=84 > Velocity=OFF > SamplerStyle=RUN > > MIDI > > Channel=1 > ControlSource=Not > Source#=0 > VolumeCont=7 > FeedBkCont=1 > Dump=001 h > Load=001 - > > Switches > > RecordMode=tOG > OverdubMode=tOG > RoundMode=OFF > InsertMode=rEV > MuteMode=StA > Overflow=PLY > Presets=Pr.E > > Timing > > Loop/Delay=LOP > Quantize=OFF > 8ths/Cycle=1 > Sync=OUT > Threshold=0 > Reverse=[Shows No Setting] > StartPoint=[Shows No Setting, but "1" at the first LED] > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 06:00:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 558323BF6F; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:59:09 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A168@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) thread-index: AcWFz9ACPc6p0MyQRcaKG4SZCIzaPQADUJhw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2005 06:00:21.0134 (UTC) FILETIME=[D23BFAE0:01C585DD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Well, I think I have it working now. Not sure exactly what did it, but I reset the FCB again, powered everything off and on, and everything seemed to work fine. The only think I can see that I did differently was power everything off and back on again after resetting the FCB. I'm not using the MIDI splitter either, and it still works fine. Now I can start tapping into those hidden features. The first thing I setup was the half-speed function. Anything else cool I can do now that I'm controlling the EDPs with MIDI? This is a whole new world for me now. I like the feel of those FCB buttons too....not nearly as touchy and fragile as the Gibson controller pedals. Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Scott M2 [mailto:scott@dreamstate.to]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) Just a troubleshooting suggestion - to take the FCB out of the equation. If you have a MIDI keyboard, try sending appropriate notes from it and see if both machines will respond properly. (Try it first without the MIDI splitter - just the keyboard into the "in" of the master and the "out" of the master into the "in" of the slave [and with the brothersync].) Cheers, Scott M2 =20 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset=20 > guidance) >=20 >=20 > =20 > > Will you post your findings? [from Per] >=20 > Arggggggg! Okay, this IS starting to drive me nuts. The marriage of=20 > my EDPs with the FCB will surely drive me to drink. First, I am using=20 > my MIDI splitter to go out of the FCB into the MIDI In's of my two=20 > EDPs. > This seems to work fine, but the problem I had initially still=20 > persists. > So I reset my FCB to factory defaults and set every function (program=20 > change, control, expression pedal) to a MIDI channel other than 1, and > I only have the Note function of the FCB assigned to that channel (1). > So the unit should not be sending any other data to the EDPs via MIDI. >=20 > But the same problem occurs now on both units. Per, thanks for the=20 > splitter suggestion because now it occurs on both units, which at=20 > least gives us some consistent behavior between the two units and the=20 > FCB. >=20 > Basically, I hit record to record a loop, play a measure, hit Record=20 > to start playback, and then the loop stops after playing once. All of=20 > the LEDs - Record through NextLoop - on the EDPs are on, and the=20 > Switches and Timing LEDs are blinking a the same time at the beginning > of the loop. It is as if the EDPs are playing the loop back=20 > internally, but not sending it to ouput. My newly set parameters on=20 > the EDPs are below. Any more suggestions? Again, the units work=20 > perfectly when I use the Echoplex controller. My guess is that it is=20 > something utterly simple that I need to change, just like when I=20 > couldn't get the units to sync up last year and all I had to do is=20 > change the Threshold parameter to 0. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Kris >=20 > Loops >=20 > MoreLoops=3D1L > AutoRecord=3DON > LoopCopy=3DOFF > SwitchQuant=3DLOP > LoopTrig#=3D84 > Velocity=3DOFF > SamplerStyle=3DRUN >=20 > MIDI >=20 > Channel=3D1 > ControlSource=3DNot > Source#=3D0 > VolumeCont=3D7 > FeedBkCont=3D1 > Dump=3D001 h > Load=3D001 - >=20 > Switches >=20 > RecordMode=3DtOG > OverdubMode=3DtOG > RoundMode=3DOFF > InsertMode=3DrEV > MuteMode=3DStA > Overflow=3DPLY > Presets=3DPr.E >=20 > Timing >=20 > Loop/Delay=3DLOP > Quantize=3DOFF > 8ths/Cycle=3D1 > Sync=3DOUT > Threshold=3D0 > Reverse=3D[Shows No Setting] > StartPoint=3D[Shows No Setting, but "1" at the first LED] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 06:12:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BEE43BF7A; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Using MIDI to control EDP (was factory reset guidance) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:11:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A168@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 thread-index: AcWFz9ACPc6p0MyQRcaKG4SZCIzaPQADUJhwAAB86hA= Message-Id: <20050711061202.CFEN7275.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:12:06 +0000 (UTC) One of my MIDI favorites is the loop window button--set the pedal to momentary and have it send multiply on depress, record on release (two of each if you are quantized). Instant loop windowing. I am also fond of the reverse loop window--I end with reverse, and set feedback to 0. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 08:03:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FF983BF51; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42D225CB.30107@mem.li> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:54:51 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP_mix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-spamcheck-01.tornado.cablecom.ch-Metrics: smtp-01.tornado.cablecom.ch 32700; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:03:23 +0000 (UTC) is there anybody out there who has done some planning and soldering already for the following problem: instead of using the EDP's audio in and out and an external mixer I would like to transform one of the foot control plugs into a dry signal output and use the mix knob either the way it has always been or as a volume control of either the loopy or the dry signal - see what I mean? thanks for your help phil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 09:23:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A85C73BF58; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:23:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050711101136.02d4e800@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:19:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) In-Reply-To: <20050711032746.512B33BF65@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050711032746.512B33BF65@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:23:50 +0000 (UTC) >Basically, I hit record to record a loop, play a measure, hit Record to >start playback, and then the loop stops after playing once. All of the >LEDs - Record through NextLoop - on the EDPs are on, and the Switches >and Timing LEDs are blinking a the same time at the beginning of the >loop. It is as if the EDPs are playing the loop back internally, but not >sending it to ouput. So it works as if feedback=0 ? Things to try 1) Move feedback knob during 1st playback 2) Recordmode = SAF 3) Change the EDP midi channel How to connect stereo EDPs The methods with splitter, or using Thru from the master to In at the slave both seem to work ok. ...the difference is that front panel adjustment on the 2 machines is independant By connecting Master- Out to Slave-In you can use the front panel controls on the master to control the slave. (useful for parameter edits) andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 09:36:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96E9F3BF58; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:36:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A130@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A130@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8442CB47-06EA-4D1F-9F86-3F873C3CDC4E@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:36:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:36:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Matthias Grob > 8< 8< 8< 8< ... > maybe repetition is needed to reduce fear? Thank you for an interesting post! Here is another theory: Maybe the public as well as many musicians hang on to A-B-A-C-A structured music simply because our main culture is so heavily based on GRATIFICATION? People tend to adore great achievements by others, measurable achievements. There is a tendency to value art by "how much work was put into it" (Oh, the Composer was working on it for thirty years, jeeeze.... must be brilliant then!). Just think about how often people say "I'm so impressed..." instead of the simple "I like your music". As we all know musicians are very sensitive to when others do not like or understand their work. This may trick some musicians into creating music in the A-B-A-C-A context, only because this will make their work measurable for more people. Formally structured music can impress more listeners; even those not paying attention are capable of recognizing the A-B-A-C-A patterns and gratify the musician. But we should not forget that some people really like Repetition. But mostly as the complement to Variation. Even though I personally love non repeating music in a free flow, I do like good pop or extremely minimalistic music. And when it comes to Repetition with Variation I tend to like it better the more subtile the variations are. Listening to, or making, such music reminds me of the joy you get from performing the painting exercise of dotting three color spots, blue, red and yellow, equally distributed around a circle. In step two you try to mix new colors that match in exactly between two neighboring color dots. Then you keep on like that, going into more subtile color schemes as the minutes pass by. Try it - it's fun! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 10:15:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BA803BF58; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d001c58601$67838910$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20050708224823.28331.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater MK2 group buy. Alto music. (was: Repeater MK2 group buy?) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:15:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:15:07 +0000 (UTC) I'm interested in this, Mark. let me know, if you get a nice group order Fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 12:48 AM Subject: Repeater MK2 group buy. Alto music. (was: Repeater MK2 group buy?) > OK, got an email back from Jon over at Alto and > they've got a bunch on order and have offered us a > nice discount. I don't want to start publishing their > price, so email me privatly if ya'll are interested > and I guess I'm the go between unless Jon subscribes > and starts dealing with it himself. > > Mark > > --- Doug Cox wrote: > > > I'm with you, Mark. What are the next steps? > > > > mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > >Hi! It's THAT TIME AGAIN! > > > > > >So. Electrix's website mentioned July as a release > > >date for the Repeater MK2... uh and they've said > > >little else since then. A few places are showing > > them > > >for sale ($499)... but they don't have them. What > > do > > >you know about that? Well well well... > > > > > >ANYWAY. I'm up for a preorder or a group buy > > thing. > > >Anyone else? I learned my lesson and I'm not > > >expecting one any time sooner than a year from now, > > >but I am excited to get another one of these > > amazing > > >beasts... perhaps an even better one. > > > > > >Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 11:10:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A45FA3BF50; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: 0% X-Terra-Hash: f5f8735928115dcbea6249f8148f86b0 Received-SPF: none (soluezi.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.129 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.129; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[80.242.202.242]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050710232616.JLYB18672.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050710232616.JLYB18672.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:07:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP out (KH dual EDP question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:10:07 +0000 (UTC) >Out is soft thru yes >--might be toggleable. not switchable... so far we never had a case where it did hurt... >Gary > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 11:10:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 297873BF59; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:10:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: f947e865819bff951eafa938479ee991 Received-SPF: none (soluezi.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.129 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.129; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[80.242.202.242]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <42D225CB.30107@mem.li> References: <42D225CB.30107@mem.li> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:05:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP_mix Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:10:08 +0000 (UTC) >is there anybody out there who has done some planning and soldering >already for the following problem: > >instead of using the EDP's audio in and out and an external mixer I >would like to transform one of the foot control plugs into a dry >signal output and use the mix knob either the way it has always been >or as a volume control of either the loopy or the dry signal - see >what I mean? yes, the loop delay did exactly that! U2 pin1 would be the apropriate output. use about 33uF cap and about 1kOhm in series. it should be possible to make the plug switch off the direct signal from the ordinary output, but: - the mix pot is linear, so it will never turn into a ordinary volume control. - if the direct signal is disconnected from the mix pot, it does not control volume at all. I would need to be grounded. The plug probably can switch this with its ring connector... I am near zürich this month :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 12:01:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADBF83BF5B; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:03:09 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music To: Matthias Grob , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002d01c58610$88e2f0a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <8-A41D.A.cbG.W-l0CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Beautiful writing, Matthias. Beautiful analogies. dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 18:19:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D0513BF10; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:19:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42D2B640.5080302@mem.li> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:11:12 +0200 From: zurrigo Reply-To: zurrigo@mem.li User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP_mix References: <42D225CB.30107@mem.li> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-spamcheck-02.tornado.cablecom.ch-Metrics: smtp-03.tornado.cablecom.ch 32701; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: <366uz.A.24B.9gr0CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:19:42 +0000 (UTC) thanks matthias for your quick reply - sorry I am not too familiar with the terms you're using: where exactly is U2 pin1 to be found? where have the cap and resistor to be connected to and does it matter which one's first? sorry for not sending this off list, but your address doesn't seem to work out ok... anyway: is there any chance to see you at the zurich festival? - it'd be great to meet "the inventor" in person and schwyzerduedsch! loopy doop phil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 11 19:28:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 325A13BF13; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sidZM6VwfEzV2ESiMX81n8YRGsr0qxebdr9hWuy5nIV2IZizYLFbRaTJsEk4Q8DOzeh6ThsvZEIhT27AV11WXNc5QyU2l9sVvkjIYdgEjqZfCmvXuApOQyeWY5KYPQpfspfCXTnPtUdySHHSU8ri7pFYzE4QcZ++24jr0vOfqvQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:28:05 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Lots of interesting thoughts on looping in a through-composed(/improvised) manner. A couple further thoughts, expressed far less poetically,particularly regarding statements about rounded forms (e.g. ABA, ABA', ABACA, etc.): In Western Classical Music of the so-called common practice era (ca. 1685-1890), it is true that probably 95-99% of small pieces, or movements within larger works are constructed in some sort of rounded manner (by rounded, I mean "bringing back the A section material to round-out the form"). However, rarely is (or should) a dance suite or a sonata or a symphony "parted-out" such that one only hears a single movement and nothing else. It is far more rare to find a large scale form like the symphony or even a suite where the whole is constructed to be rounded. In other words, the final movement of the symphony rarely brings back the primary theme of the first movement. (I am certainly not claiming it never happens, though.) To perhaps amend the analogies and make some other points: 1) The movements within a larger work act as in a similar manner to scenes in a play or a movie, or even a scene or chapter in a novel. The movements deal with a specific theme in a specific setting, often related in some way to the themes used throughout the other movements. A good symphony has a balance of ties to and development away from material in various movements. 2) The analogy between a piece of music and a photograph or painting is strained by the fact that a piece of music must move through time in order to be experienced. When viewing a painting or a photograph or a sculpture or some other object, one can spend one's own time with the experience of the work. I can look at one part of a painting, then move back to view the whole, and then move to another section of the painting, perhaps focus on a part I've already seen, making connections between the parts or not. This is not true with a piece of music. With certain exceptions, each piece of music has it's own time-span during which it must be experienced. As time progresses, we don't have the luxury of pausing and rewinding or fast-forwarding to attempt to experience the piece in a non-linear way. In fact, even if the piece is constructed in a non-linear manner, we must experience it in a linear way. No matter how complex the form of a Stravinsky work, or the non-linear DJ-style glitch looping of Andre Lafosse, we experience it linearly. 3) It is precisely this linear nature of music which makes the role of repetition within the development of Western music so important. It is certainly not the act of a lazy composer looking for the easy way out. If one spends any time looking at the sketchbooks of Beethoven, it becomes quite clear that even the slightest variation of a basic motive within a piece was subject to countless revisions. Repetition, either direct or varied, aids in the comprehension of a piece of music. It is very similar to the Taoist principle of "from one thing, know 10,000 things." In other words, with even a varied repetition of a motive or theme, we are able to comprehend that motive or theme, since we can go from what we know (i.e. what we remember of the motive/theme from earlier in the piece) to what we don't know (i.e. the new form of that motive/theme). 4) Repetition is helpful in creating drama and surprise within a piece of music. Even if we take hundreds of works as our set of varied repetitions (i.e. how many pieces end with a V-I harmonic progression, implied or explicity?), then that repetition gives us a chance to dial-up the tension at the right moment by playing with the listener's expectation upon hearing the V...if we shift gears and follow it with the VI (or vi, depending on how you like your roman numerals), we have the classic "deceptive cadence" which really dials up the tension to be later released by the so-called "authentic" V-I cadence. This is part of the difficulty of composing music that does not follow the harmonic and melodic grammar of music so frequently heard---repetition, however, aids in defining the grammar for a particular piece. This can be, also, the difficulty of through-composed/improvised music: it's as if an entirely new set of characters are introduced with each new scene, with few or no characters held-over or brought back from earlier scenes. Granted, to the specialist listener, these new characters may be heard (seen) as the same characters in various levels of disguise, but to the average (and often the above average) listener they bear little or no resemblance, leaving them confused. Confusion is an uncomfortable feeling which often leads to a dissatisfaction toward the piece of music which left them in that state. At the very least, it creates a tension that most listeners will want resolved. I make these observations/statements as one who has composed a number of works that range from maximal repetition to minimal repetition, although usually with some sort of 'rounding' to the form. Thanks for helping me think about something other than work for a little bit this morning/afternoon. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 7/10/05, Matthias Grob wrote: > it seems to me that far over 90% of the ever played music ended in > the same theme as it started in, because its basically showing a > single picture. > There may be some dynamic, even a story in the middle, a natural way > to show a picture is to show its total first, then go into details, > back to the total, some other detail .... and close at the total. >=20 [snip] > wants some ABACA... structure... probably a reminder of old dance > styles and polite forms... and simply a help for the memory... easy > composing... ? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 00:45:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDED93BF1C; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015701c59ed7$25fbbfa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: a perfect looping concert Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:45:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Last night I was privy with many other people to one of the most enjoyable live looping shows I've witnessed. List member, guitarist and composer of one of my favorite loop records ever (Flux Aeterna), Ted Killian came all the way from Medford, Oregon to do a sublime duet with Jeff Kaiser, the amazing new music trumpet/electronics artist who has a lot of notoriety in the Los Angeles new music scene with his excellent record labels pfMENTUM and Angry Vegan Records. To top this amazing performance off, David Tristram drove across the hill and just showed up with his video projector and projected beautiful visuals that were amazingly synchronous with the performance. With Ted creating really beautiful, restrained and ultimately tastey ambient pads and long legato, searing guitar tones, Jeff got freaky with his trumpet playing through a couple of Line 6 DL-4s, an Alesis Bitr-man (man oh man, what a cool pedal), a Moogerfooger ring modulator and a few other things that I didn't get the names of. Jeff is an avante garde player with extreme taste and musicality. He has amazing acoustic technique as a trumpet player (and Ted tells me he is also is trained in complex choral arranging) and he rides a beautiful taught line between lyricism and very angular and even abrasive sound manipulation. Always abstract, yet always hinting at beautiful worlds, I was just floored by the interaction between these two wonderful and sensitive players. I told Dan Soltzberg (with whom I played earlier in the evening in Orange with his talented singer/percussionist wife, Theresa) that I had one of those peak moments about 15 minutes into their set where I thought to myself, "This is why we work so hard to put these free concerts on for the public". Joe Rut and Lucio Menegon (aka Lumper/Splitter) were in the middle slot and also played a really sublime set of double guitar looping. Again, they run the gamut of more inside styles and more avante garde arhythmic styles. Their set was filled with a lot of energy and they had great chemistry going to a lot of different musical spaces. Joe also played a cool invented instrument that had contact mics and various pieces of metal welded on a resonating board. I really resonated with his playing on that piece and feel really glad that I now have three new friends in my musical world (Joe, Lucio and Jeff). It was really enjoyable playing the opening set with Dan and Theresa on trapset. I rarely just play kit these days and it was really fun to use minimalistic looping techniques (I only had a lonely Line 6 without any processing for my kick and snare mic) and I tried out a bunch of new techniques of playing kit and using mouth percussion simultaneously . I really got into a minimalist groove zone and the whole set was very trancey for me. I'll leave it to someone else to speak of that set though because as enjoyable as it was, I have no idea how it sounded to the audience (one of the saddest things about being a performing artist...............you just can't tell how things are percieved until after the fact). I do know that I really dug the bass and looping and processing work that Dan was doing and Theresa did some really nice spoken word pieces as well as singing beautifully. It was hotter than hades in the venue but for the first time, the Blues Jam downstairs didn't occur simultaneously so we were able to use the big stage and the big sound system and the sound was excellent. Add to that how sweet the staff of the ATTIC's restaurant were and it was just a reallly successful show, artistically. Thanks to all the artists who made it possible. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 00:53:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 723743BF2F; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:53:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: a perfect looping concert Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:52:39 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A380@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: a perfect looping concert thread-index: AcWGewfxJp+ps5XZTmy2GlkQjnGa4gAAIDJA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2005 00:52:41.0258 (UTC) FILETIME=[01B430A0:01C5867C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:53:42 +0000 (UTC) Wow. I wish I could have seen the show, Rick and Ted. Sounds like my cup of avant-garde tea! A trumpet through a ring modulator....I have to hear that. I love the ring modulator, ever since I heard John McLaughlin use it on his fusion song "Jazz Jungle". It's a savage effect. And videos in the background to boot....wonderful.=20 I'm in the wrong damn state! Cripes... Per chance, did anyone record the performance with Ted and Jeff? =20 Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 6:46 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: a perfect looping concert Last night I was privy with many other people to one of the most enjoyable live looping shows I've witnessed. List member, guitarist and composer of one of my favorite loop records ever (Flux Aeterna), Ted Killian came all the way from Medford, Oregon to do a sublime duet with Jeff Kaiser, the amazing new music trumpet/electronics artist who has a lot of notoriety in the Los Angeles new music scene with his excellent record labels pfMENTUM and Angry Vegan Records. To top this amazing performance off, David Tristram drove across the hill and just showed up with his video projector and projected beautiful visuals that were amazingly synchronous with the performance. With Ted creating really beautiful, restrained and ultimately tastey ambient pads and long legato, searing guitar tones, Jeff got freaky with his trumpet playing through a couple of Line 6 DL-4s, an Alesis Bitr-man (man oh man, what a cool pedal), a Moogerfooger ring modulator and a few other things that I didn't get the names of. Jeff is an avante garde player with extreme taste and musicality. He has=20 amazing acoustic technique as a trumpet player (and Ted tells me he is also is trained in complex choral arranging) and he rides a beautiful taught line between lyricism and very angular and even abrasive sound manipulation. Always abstract, yet always hinting at beautiful worlds, I was just floored by the interaction between these two wonderful and sensitive players. I told Dan Soltzberg (with whom I played earlier in the evening in Orange with his talented singer/percussionist wife, Theresa) that I had one of those peak moments about 15 minutes into their set where I thought to myself, "This is why we work so hard to put these free concerts on for the public". Joe Rut and Lucio Menegon (aka Lumper/Splitter) were in the middle slot and also played a really sublime set of double guitar looping. Again, they run the gamut of more inside styles and more avante garde=20 arhythmic styles. Their set was filled with a lot of energy and they had great chemistry going to a lot of different musical spaces. Joe also=20 played a cool invented instrument that had contact mics and various pieces of metal welded on a resonating board. I really resonated with his=20 playing on that piece and feel really glad that I now have three new friends in my musical world (Joe, Lucio and Jeff). It was really enjoyable playing the opening set with Dan and Theresa on trapset. I rarely just play kit these days and it was really fun to use minimalistic looping techniques (I only had a lonely Line 6 without any processing for my kick and snare mic) and I tried out a bunch of new techniques of playing kit and using mouth percussion simultaneously . I really got into a minimalist groove zone and the whole set was very trancey for me. I'll leave it to someone else to speak of that set though because as enjoyable as it was, I have no idea how it sounded to the audience (one of the saddest things about being a performing artist...............you just=20 can't tell how things are percieved until after the fact). I do know that=20 I really dug the bass and looping and processing work that Dan was doing and Theresa did some really nice spoken word pieces as well as singing beautifully. It was hotter than hades in the venue but for the first time, the Blues Jam downstairs didn't occur simultaneously so we were able to use the big stage and the big sound system and the sound was excellent. Add to that how sweet the staff of the ATTIC's restaurant were and it was just a reallly successful show, artistically. Thanks to all the artists who made it possible. Rick Walker=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 02:20:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A16CE3BF49; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 02:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01f201c59ee4$77a60bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: zen and the fluent music Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:20:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 02:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: "Thank you for an interesting post! Here is another theory: Maybe the public as well as many musicians hang on to A-B-A-C-A structured music simply because our main culture is so heavily based on GRATIFICATION?" That's an interesting thesis, but I firmly believe that the love of form by human beings is intrinsically wired into our neurophysiology and the consequent way we look at things. The synaptic gap in our nerves, allowing for messages to either pass (1) or not pass (0) intrinsically creates a causal relationship in mind. Because there are millions of them and because the combinations of possible human thought are virtually endless there is tremendous diversity in human expression but the vast majority of human musical expression is ordered all over the planet. I'm not arguing that this is right or wrong, but it is undeniable. Even the musician or listener who prefers a-formal music or a-rhythmic music is still responding in a causal way to their own environment ("I hate the dominance of modern pop and only listen to free improv"). My own intellectual mentor, the late Gregory Bateson, said that because of the inherent binary neurophysiology of the human brain and because of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle that human beings are doomed to create causal maps of reality with our perceptions. Since, as Korzybsy said, "The map is not the territory" we are inherently doomed to make fundamentally innaccurate maps. Bateson though, points out that there is such a thing as bad maps and better maps. He says we should have the humility to always realize that we are doomed to not understanding the nature of reality (or art or music) but that we can have always commit ourselves to constantly revising our maps of the way things work. ********* Additionally, we also have intrinsic limitations due to the most sophisticated muscle groups that we have in the body (outside of the mouth.........he he he). We have two feet.................the most prevalent rhythms in human experience are those of walking (groups of two) and the heartbeat (arguably the loudest clock we have in our body and the organ that the brain takes the perception of tempo from. Additionally we have five fingers on each hand. How fascinating that after hundreds of years of coming up with rhythmic systems that the Northern and Southern Indians have settled on one that only has these four elements: two, three, four and five (respectively Ta ki, Ta ki ta, Ta ki di mi, Ta ki di na tom). Psychologists have pointed out that human beings can concieve of 5 things separately but when we encounter any greater number that we have to group things in order to think about them (6 = 2 + 2 +2 or 3 + 3). These patternings are reiterated all over the planet. All dance musics that exist can be broken into groupings of 2s and 3s. ********* All of this may, of course, just be some monstrous rationalization for the fact that I'm a drummer intrinsically and have loved grooves all my life. Krispen says that it takes work for him to make music with form. I'm the opposite: I tend immediately to impose form on my own music. In fact I rather love using chaos and randomness and then constraining it heavily. Live looping devices that don't use lowered feedback settings as Matthias has so beautifully built into the EDP are just perfect for imposing form onto live recorded performance. I really enjoy the beautiful soundscapes that Matthias uses as they are constantly shifting and changing, but personally I don't at all feel tyrannized by 100% feedback settings. It's rather liberating to me as a multi-instrumentalist. I think it's shocking to Matthias, perhaps, but I just haven't felt the need to use reduced feedback on the EDP. Glitch things up with INS = SUS/OVERDUB = SUS or rhythymically replacing portions of the loop with INS = SUB and I"m all over that machine.............lol. Last night I watched Jeff Kaiser do some amazing looping avante garde music................what struck me, though was , that instead of sounding completely free, my human brain heard the starts and starts of whole musical passages that were triggered by my own mind imposing form on the things he did. Maybe it's the tension between these two approaches (constantly morphing looping strategies and rigidly formulaic ones) that makes the music on this list so delicious. Viva la difference, n'cest pas? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 03:27:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E2D43BF30; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 03:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:27:10 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A38E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: zen and the fluent music thread-index: AcWGiFlg7WVHNUViQ8eaHLPdnag6qwAAeiqQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2005 03:27:11.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[9769A430:01C58691] Resent-Message-ID: <7xhuaC.A.ShD.Tiz0CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 03:27:16 +0000 (UTC) From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]=20 'My own intellectual mentor, the late Gregory Bateson, said that because of the inherent binary neurophysiology of the human brain and because of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle that human beings are doomed to create causal maps of reality with our perceptions." [Bare with me here, because I'd like to introduce a topic that I'd like to see applied to looping and free improvisation] This is interesting, Rick. I'm curious to see his elaboration on this, because it isn't self-evident or intuitive to me that the thesis (even though it makes perfect sense to me) follows logically from inherent binary neurophysiology or the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (which is typically only a function of quantum mechanics/physics). These are complex systems of thought, and cranking out that conclusion out requires some explaining and a formal argument. That being said, however, it is very rare that philosophers, scientists, or philosophers of science question the principle that "every event has a cause," part of that causal map you mention, because the entire system of predictability and the principle of induction is based on this principle. German philosopher, Immanuel Kant argued that this statement (the principle of causation) was one of a handful of universal truths, a statement that expresses something about the external world, but is necessarily true by reason alone (as no amount of empirical data can prove the statement because it would require one to observe and record every single instance of every single event having a cause).=20 However, occasionally, someone does question the principle of causation and all that comes along with it. David Hume, on of my favorite and most inspirational 18th century philosophers, who was also the father of modern empiricism, argued that we can't deny or affirm the principle of causation. He denied that reason by itself could not generate truths, and empirical data here is of no use either, based on my prior comment. In short, he argued that we can't have knowledge, and there are no epistemic grounds for the principle of causation, or a system of causal maps for that matter. All sensory data is neutral in this system....no speculation beyond the data is warranted. =20 Moreover, pushing this causal skepticism even further, I read a book several years ago that I thought was absolutely brilliant, which I now think can be applied to free improvisation. The book is "Synchronicity : The Bridge Between Matter and Mind " by David Peat. In this his book he argues, using Jungian philosophy as a springboard, that there are certain events (a set of coincidences) that do not have causes....they are "acausal" in nature. He sites several bizarre example of coincidences, and argues that they are examples of Synchronicity, meaning that they are not caused by any set of events, but are an "unfolding" from a more fundamental substratum in the universe that is neither physical or non-physical....neither matter or mind. Very fascinating indeed positing this third substance. This source of "unfolding" underlies everything. This is definitely NOT a system based on a causal map. It flies in the face of causality, in fact. For instance, causality cannot explain when one identical twin has a pain in his side, and four thousand miles away, the other twin has the same pain simultaneously. Causality cannot explain the principle of "Entanglement" in quantum physics, where two particles can split, one particle changes its state, and the other changes it state simultaneously, regardless of whether the particles are 100 feet or 100 light years away. Fineman himself said that no one understands this concept. It is beyond science and the principle of causation. In any event, what sort if relevance does this type of synchronicity have in the group free improvisation context? Trey Anastasio from Phish once commented in an interview that when Phish improvised, the music did not come "from" from, but "passed through" them. This is the first time I heard someone say this. It is as if we get in this state of mind when improvising in a group setting, and events occur, but it isn't obvious that they are caused by us. Certainly, our fingers and hands are moving and causing the fluctuation of air pressure, but we are talking about something more fundamental here. "Passing through" as in "unfolding"? Not sure, but it's worth some investigation. I'm now entertaining the thought that free improvisation could benefit from Synchronicity, if one can actually harness the principle...which is a whole different matter. I highly recommend this book by Peats. I think I may read it again and attempt to put it into more specific perspective with fee improvisation. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 03:45:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F8D13BF51; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 03:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.16f74b09.300496dc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:45:32 EDT Subject: Re: a perfect looping concert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13d.16f74b09.300496dc_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 03:45:38 +0000 (UTC) --part1_13d.16f74b09.300496dc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick, Thanks for the kind words on the LD list. Of course I blush at the thought o= f=20 them.=20 Jeff is terrific and makes anybody sound good. I coulda totally played "air=20 guitar" and would've looked/sounded like a pro. It's humbling to play with such folk= . I tried very hard to be a different, more supportive, more generous and less= =20 self-centered/self-conscious player kind of player last night. Not=20 particularly=20 over-confidently but not neccessarily trying to "prove" anything either. Another baby step on the road to maturity (at the age of 52, heheh). Don't worry. I'll be back to doing more of the same old squiggly, skronky, loud,=20 primitive, distorto-guitar stuff soon --my "blues for machines=20 hallucinating." I had a great time and loved everybody elses's sets. I dug the CDs=20 I got from Lucio and Joe, and from Dan (Ghost7) too. It was great to=20 hang out afterwards too (even though I was near ehaustion). I would=20 do it all again in a heartbeat. BTW I think I'll proceed with you advice per our discussion of Loop IV. I learn something new (and useful) every time I go down there. Time to get off my butt.=20 Looking forward to October . . . Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_13d.16f74b09.300496dc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick,

Thanks for the kind words on the LD list. Of course I blush at the thought o= f them.
Jeff is terrific and makes anybody sound good. I coulda totally played "air=20= guitar"
and would've looked/sounded like a pro. It's humbling to play with such folk= .

I tried very hard to be a different, more supportive, more generous and less=
self-centered/self-conscious player kind of player last night. Not particula= rly
over-confidently but not neccessarily trying to "prove" anything either.

Another baby step on the road to maturity (at the age of 52, heheh). Don't worry. I'll be back to doing more of the same old squiggly, skronky, loud, <= BR> primitive, distorto-guitar stuff soon --my "blues for machines hallucinating= ."

I had a great time and loved everybody elses's sets. I dug the CDs
I got from Lucio and Joe, and from Dan (Ghost7) too. It was great to
hang out afterwards too (even though I was near ehaustion). I would
do it all again in a heartbeat.

BTW I think I'll proceed with you advice per our discussion of Loop IV.
I learn something new (and useful) every time I go down there. Time to
get off my butt.

Looking forward to October . . .

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_13d.16f74b09.300496dc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 06:16:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86F023BF59; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=fuV8Lyjx9rj/RmHVU4i6dP1fUgZatEFaa0fr3jExMXTGgmTjuIlGTuQpId+eSQkJ1q6B0262tm2FQE8Jr2IuMDaz/DJwjIolKcuc3BON5LS119Yvw4hEaw0UHkZvneAPLcC48eKdOkxSgTU5puArCQ7IFiewa/wYbIl3sjlpsVU= ; Message-ID: <003201c586a9$47486910$0c02a8c0@Ruelle1> From: "Ben" To: Subject: Fw: zen and the fluent music Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:16:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Wow good thoughts too, Jon. This remember me of a book I read online called "how music really works" (http://www.completechords.com). This explained in easy terms how a song should be a journey, how to use tension, to come back to the main cadence, how the scale were constructed,.... If I remember well there was also a chapter on how our brain is receptive to music and tension even before we were educated. I used mainly the book's chase charts to complete pop/rock songs at the time but I think this is completely in line with this thread. Unfortunately the online version seems to have been removed. How I love this list! It's just sometimes too difficult to explain in my limited English :-). Ben. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Southwood" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music > > > Lots of interesting thoughts on looping in a > through-composed(/improvised) manner. A couple further thoughts, > expressed far less poetically,particularly regarding statements about > rounded forms (e.g. ABA, ABA', ABACA, etc.): > > In Western Classical Music of the so-called common practice era (ca. > 1685-1890), it is true that probably 95-99% of small pieces, or > movements within larger works are constructed in some sort of rounded > manner (by rounded, I mean "bringing back the A section material to > round-out the form"). However, rarely is (or should) a dance suite or > a sonata or a symphony "parted-out" such that one only hears a single > movement and nothing else. It is far more rare to find a large scale > form like the symphony or even a suite where the whole is constructed > to be rounded. In other words, the final movement of the symphony > rarely brings back the primary theme of the first movement. (I am > certainly not claiming it never happens, though.) > > To perhaps amend the analogies and make some other points: > > 1) The movements within a larger work act as in a similar manner to > scenes in a play or a movie, or even a scene or chapter in a novel. > The movements deal with a specific theme in a specific setting, often > related in some way to the themes used throughout the other movements. > A good symphony has a balance of ties to and development away from > material in various movements. > > 2) The analogy between a piece of music and a photograph or painting > is strained by the fact that a piece of music must move through time > in order to be experienced. When viewing a painting or a photograph or > a sculpture or some other object, one can spend one's own time with > the experience of the work. I can look at one part of a painting, then > move back to view the whole, and then move to another section of the > painting, perhaps focus on a part I've already seen, making > connections between the parts or not. This is not true with a piece of > music. With certain exceptions, each piece of music has it's own > time-span during which it must be experienced. As time progresses, we > don't have the luxury of pausing and rewinding or fast-forwarding to > attempt to experience the piece in a non-linear way. In fact, even if > the piece is constructed in a non-linear manner, we must experience it > in a linear way. No matter how complex the form of a Stravinsky work, > or the non-linear DJ-style glitch looping of Andre Lafosse, we > experience it linearly. > > 3) It is precisely this linear nature of music which makes the role of > repetition within the development of Western music so important. It is > certainly not the act of a lazy composer looking for the easy way out. > If one spends any time looking at the sketchbooks of Beethoven, it > becomes quite clear that even the slightest variation of a basic > motive within a piece was subject to countless revisions. Repetition, > either direct or varied, aids in the comprehension of a piece of > music. It is very similar to the Taoist principle of "from one thing, > know 10,000 things." In other words, with even a varied repetition of > a motive or theme, we are able to comprehend that motive or theme, > since we can go from what we know (i.e. what we remember of the > motive/theme from earlier in the piece) to what we don't know (i.e. > the new form of that motive/theme). > > 4) Repetition is helpful in creating drama and surprise within a piece > of music. Even if we take hundreds of works as our set of varied > repetitions (i.e. how many pieces end with a V-I harmonic progression, > implied or explicity?), then that repetition gives us a chance to > dial-up the tension at the right moment by playing with the listener's > expectation upon hearing the V...if we shift gears and follow it with > the VI (or vi, depending on how you like your roman numerals), we have > the classic "deceptive cadence" which really dials up the tension to > be later released by the so-called "authentic" V-I cadence. This is > part of the difficulty of composing music that does not follow the > harmonic and melodic grammar of music so frequently > heard---repetition, however, aids in defining the grammar for a > particular piece. This can be, also, the difficulty of > through-composed/improvised music: it's as if an entirely new set of > characters are introduced with each new scene, with few or no > characters held-over or brought back from earlier scenes. Granted, to > the specialist listener, these new characters may be heard (seen) as > the same characters in various levels of disguise, but to the average > (and often the above average) listener they bear little or no > resemblance, leaving them confused. Confusion is an uncomfortable > feeling which often leads to a dissatisfaction toward the piece of > music which left them in that state. At the very least, it creates a > tension that most listeners will want resolved. > > I make these observations/statements as one who has composed a number > of works that range from maximal repetition to minimal repetition, > although usually with some sort of 'rounding' to the form. > > Thanks for helping me think about something other than work for a > little bit this morning/afternoon. > > Cheers, > > Jon Southwood > > > > On 7/10/05, Matthias Grob wrote: >> it seems to me that far over 90% of the ever played music ended in >> the same theme as it started in, because its basically showing a >> single picture. >> There may be some dynamic, even a story in the middle, a natural way >> to show a picture is to show its total first, then go into details, >> back to the total, some other detail .... and close at the total. >> > [snip] >> wants some ABACA... structure... probably a reminder of old dance >> styles and polite forms... and simply a help for the memory... easy >> composing... ? >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 06:19:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA6573BF59; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A38E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A38E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C8312BA-8E24-4BCD-B985-FFC131D6A47F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:19:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:19:09 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 12, 2005, at 5:27, Hartung, Kris wrote: > "Synchronicity : > The Bridge Between Matter and Mind " by David Peat. Interesting to think about that book in the scoop of free musical =20 improvisation! (or any other improvisation BTW). I too read it a long =20= time ago and I would guess that "synchronicity" is very close to =20 music making, as well as any teaching of magic and religious =20 practices are. It may also be interesting to read texts by Alistair =20 Crowley and Martinus Thomsen. Thomsens's books (not having read all =20 of them), together with Bardo Th=F6dol, is the most complete =20 description of "synchronicity" I have come across so far. I'm not =20 talking about the cults here, neither "black magic" nor "new age", =20 just the way these guys put things together into a context. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 08:56:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C26C3BF6D; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:54:16 +0100 Subject: RE: Roland EV-10 and the VF-1 From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050711032746.512B33BF65@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Earlier OS not a problem. I'm running 1.12 I think which does include the speaker simulation. I ought to get round to getting the latest just because it's there. The reason I upgraded from the very earliest version was to improve reception of MIDI clock while sending lots of controller information. Stick with what you've got unless you have a problem you need to address. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > > > From: Timothy Mungenast > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:19:23 -0400 > To: > Subject: RE: Roland EV-10 and the VF-1 > > Thanks! > > "Latest operating system is 1.13" > > Mine is the old code that does not include the speaker-simulation addendum > patch mentioned in the off-the-web owner's manual. > 1. That's not a problem? > 2. Is it worth the trouble getting the VF-1 reflashed with the new code, > seeing as I am just getting acquainted with the unit? > > >> [Original Message] >> From: jeremy >> To: >> Cc: Timothy Mungenast >> Date: 7/10/2005 8:27:29 AM >> Subject: Roland EV-10 and the VF-1 >> >> Hi Tim, >> >> >> Schematic below: >> >> >> 50k ohm linear >> _______/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\______ >> | | | >> | | | >> | | | >> * * * >> track wiper earth/ground >> >> >> ring tip sleeve (to VF-1) >> >> >> Latest operating system is 1.13 >> >> Best wishes >> >> Jeremy >> >> http://www.masse.org.uk >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 17:07:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76D153BF6E; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050712170734.58262.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:07:34 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Roland EV-10 and the VF-1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Be careful upgrading these beasts. I did while selling one (VF-1) as per request of the auction winner, and he had a ton of problems that were only resolved by reintalling the software... and I think it took him 3 trys before it totally "took." So, if you upgrade and have problems, don't worry, just give yourself a lot of time as it may take more than a few installs. Mark --- jeremy wrote: > Earlier OS not a problem. I'm running 1.12 I think > which does include the > speaker simulation. I ought to get round to getting > the latest just because > it's there. > > The reason I upgraded from the very earliest version > was to improve > reception of MIDI clock while sending lots of > controller information. > > Stick with what you've got unless you have a problem > you need to address. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > http://www.masse.org.uk > > > > > > > > > > > From: Timothy Mungenast > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:19:23 -0400 > > To: > > Subject: RE: Roland EV-10 and the VF-1 > > > > Thanks! > > > > "Latest operating system is 1.13" > > > > Mine is the old code that does not include the > speaker-simulation addendum > > patch mentioned in the off-the-web owner's manual. > > 1. That's not a problem? > > 2. Is it worth the trouble getting the VF-1 > reflashed with the new code, > > seeing as I am just getting acquainted with the > unit? > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: jeremy > >> To: > >> Cc: Timothy Mungenast > >> Date: 7/10/2005 8:27:29 AM > >> Subject: Roland EV-10 and the VF-1 > >> > >> Hi Tim, > >> > >> > >> Schematic below: > >> > >> > >> 50k ohm linear > >> _______/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\______ > >> | | | > >> | | | > >> | | | > >> * * * > >> track wiper earth/ground > >> > >> > >> ring tip sleeve (to VF-1) > >> > >> > >> Latest operating system is 1.13 > >> > >> Best wishes > >> > >> Jeremy > >> > >> http://www.masse.org.uk > >> > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 19:10:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DAD03BF80; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,283,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="1115979820:sNHT56040318" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <6C8312BA-8E24-4BCD-B985-FFC131D6A47F@boysen.se> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A38E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <6C8312BA-8E24-4BCD-B985-FFC131D6A47F@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Coffin Subject: Best gear classified sites? Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:10:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, got some gear to sell, and it=92s been a while; have any =20 new, active classified gear sites emerged? Been using Harmony =20 Central, which seems unchanged; don=92t want to get mixed up with ebay =20= for some reason, but if anyone=92s got some strong arguments/good =20 suggestions for going that route, be glad to hear =91em. Thanks! dc (btw, the gear is: tcelectroncs D-2 delay, Eventide Eclipse, Korg =20 AM8000R)= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 20:11:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AB193BF84; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001501c5871d$96c4ac00$26a1fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: Subject: Digitech Jam Man and EH Instant Replay Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:44:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I recently pulled my old EH Instant Replay out of the closet and wondered if I could replace it with something similarly crunchy and gritty-sounding, yet more flexible (more memory etc.). I was thinking of some kind of 19" rackmount digital with sampling/hold function that could be triggered externally (from e. g. a drum machine or a sequencer). Any recommendations? And what is the current going rate for an Instant Replay with Trigger pad? Anyway, after having toyed around with it for a couple of hours I´m beginning to realize what made the original 16 Seconds Delay so special and so desireable... it rarely happens that a digital device produced such musical crunchiness... yummy! I suppose the re-issued 16SDD does sound nowhere near as neat, right? Does anybody know if the Digitech Jam Man can be used the same way as the original Jam Man in Delay mode? I´d like to have it as a passive looper in my Aux chain, determining the loop length before I start playing and route something into it every now and then without hitting the "record" button. This would be a nice replacement if it can do the same trick. I didn´t follow this thread recently; any info available as to when it will be in the stores and what the retail price will be? Thanks, Stephen. "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon Hassell) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 20:14:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4450D3BF84; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Best gear classified sites? Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:13:27 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A565@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Best gear classified sites? thread-index: AcWHFVmTYJiVkWhnSy6xt4wNQs90wgACLjiA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2005 20:13:29.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B27E290:01C5871E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Wow, Dave, you're selling an Eventide? What are you replacing it with, a super computer? :)=20 -----Original Message----- From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Best gear classified sites? Greetings, got some gear to sell, and it's been a while; have any new, active classified gear sites emerged? Been using Harmony Central, which seems unchanged; don't want to get mixed up with ebay for some reason, but if anyone's got some strong arguments/good suggestions for going that route, be glad to hear 'em. Thanks! dc (btw, the gear is: tcelectroncs D-2 delay, Eventide Eclipse, Korg AM8000R) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 20:31:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A3FC3BF8A; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Yv67LNwR1MW8/cfbcxx3YwyDwdHgt1t3BUd/K032CtYL3SA7IMkK8bl1XSd2N7fi02iYWZeDtPTc8QMfbtBWjmezZQbiDZbGi4t+Fs5midPb2Fwe4r6tNZbMPdBY706ANo+V+qCnlTFYfwLBHvs17v+66OjmN6Fc5LZHkzjmoSw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:31:19 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best gear classified sites? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A38E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <6C8312BA-8E24-4BCD-B985-FFC131D6A47F@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: <4PaEmB.A.uvB.YiC1CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Personally, in my 26 eBay transactions I've had one that was less than great, and it was a low-ticket item that took about two weeks longer to arrive than advertised. However, I only bid on things from people with sat ratings of 99% or higher. although even that's no perfect protection. But, if you're not going to go the eBay route, I'd recommend craigslist in your area, assuming you're in the USA, since it doesn't seem nearly so active overseas. It's basically like placing an ad in the newspaper, except it's free and instant. It does have the drawback that if you're selling you'll have to put up with the hassle of strangers coming to your house, where they now know that you have at least one desirable item, and maybe casing the joing for an un-escorted return visit, but nothing's perfect. TravisH On 7/12/05, David Coffin wrote: > Greetings, got some gear to sell, and it's been a while; have any > new, active classified gear sites emerged? Been using Harmony > Central, which seems unchanged; don't want to get mixed up with ebay > for some reason, but if anyone's got some strong arguments/good > suggestions for going that route, be glad to hear 'em. > Thanks! > dc >=20 > (btw, the gear is: tcelectroncs D-2 delay, Eventide Eclipse, Korg > AM8000R) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 20:40:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBEE33BF89; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DnWmGy+DbUt1q2dOxcglxnaPIRyvmB/Jw46KB31K65jJjKKocy2tc/urmHAqyzqp4Ml10jM70SuZVxsI3RRMZPl88NnQmYmZ6MqsypGbTsjL8EL5OINbF7+ZQO+2iuLEqpydHEQIwa3VzwW5751bb9qz6ipdGBS4ZPTfc0TQ4SQ= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:40:00 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jam Man and EH Instant Replay In-Reply-To: <001501c5871d$96c4ac00$26a1fe91@inap> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <001501c5871d$96c4ac00$26a1fe91@inap> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:40:03 +0000 (UTC) The manual for the new JamMan has been posted on the Digitech site, but I don't think anyone on the list owns one of the new boxes yet.=20 It's $299 street on all the websites. TravisH On 7/12/05, Wavecomputer360 wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > Does anybody know if the Digitech Jam Man can be used the same way as the > original Jam Man in Delay mode? I=B4d like to have it as a passive looper= in > my Aux chain, determining the loop length before I start playing and rout= e > something into it every now and then without hitting the "record" button. > This would be a nice replacement if it can do the same trick. I didn=B4t > follow this thread recently; any info available as to when it will be in = the > stores and what the retail price will be? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 21:25:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7331F3BF8E; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: zen and the fluent music Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:26:44 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c58728$6723fae0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <01f201c59ee4$77a60bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:25:25 +0000 (UTC) I don't see the Heisenberg influence here at all. It seems like taking Einstein's laws to explain why cars do not drive faster than 55 or 65 mph on American highways... -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 12. August 2005 04:21 An: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Betreff: zen and the fluent music My own intellectual mentor, the late Gregory Bateson, said that because of=20 the inherent binary neurophysiology of the human brain and because of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle that human beings are doomed to create causal maps of reality with our=20 perceptions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 22:37:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D83C73BF88; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:37:18 EDT Subject: Re: AW: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d6.29a54f4d.3005a01e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:37:22 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d6.29a54f4d.3005a01e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a thought, I dunno if this has anything to do with Heisenberg or not. But there=20 is a generally held theory that (on some level) observation alters the=20 observed and therefore affects the results. I do not know if this is=20 some corollary to the principle that the more accurately you determine=20 the position of a sub-atomic particle the less you can determine about=20 it's specific direction and/or velocity or not -- but there seems to be a=20 tangential connection of some sort there (in my mind at least). I'm=20 cetainly no expert though. I'm also not sure if this is the connection that Rick's friend might be=20 refering=20 to but it seems plausable that it could be -- if only as a metaphoric=20 parallel. We observe the universe and perceive (and then project on it) "paterns" and schemes of organization to help us understand it based on what we see.=20 But what we see is always incomplete at some level -- and changing too.=20 So the paterns we develop are always inevitably inacurate, incomplete and (from time to time) changing. Also, the more we know (if we are wise)=20 the more we know we don't know. Some new-agey folks believe our "projections" actually alter the "reality" around us. I don't believe it a bit. But that's an "idea" that's making the=20 rounds. "Think nice thoughts and it will become a world of love and peace .=20= .=20 . oh yeah . . . and send all you money to Guru Wannahockaloogey." I believe=20 it's more like Ed Abby says in one of my favorite quotes by him: "Better a cruel= =20 truth than a comfortable delusion."=20 Some truths are mutable, some (in my now cantakerous AARP-member years)=20 seem much less so. What can I say? I'm a cranky OLD GUY and I like to hear=20 myself talk. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn In a message dated 7/12/05 2:25:35 PM, rs@moinlabs.de writes: > I don't see the Heisenberg influence here at all. It seems like taking > Einstein's laws to explain why cars do not drive faster than 55 or=20 > 65 mph on American highways... >=20 "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_d6.29a54f4d.3005a01e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a thought,

I dunno if this has anything to do with Heisenberg or not. But there is a generally held theory that (on some level) observation alters the
observed and therefore affects the results. I do not know if this is
some corollary to the principle that the more accurately you determine=
the position of a sub-atomic particle the less you can determine about
it's specific direction and/or velocity or not -- but there seems to be a tangential connection of some sort there (in my mind at least). I'm
cetainly no expert though.

I'm also not sure if this is the connection that Rick's friend might be refe= ring
to but it seems plausable that it could be -- if only as a metaphoric parall= el.
We observe the universe and perceive (and then project on it) "paterns" and<= BR> schemes of organization to help us understand it based on what we see.
But what we see is always incomplete at some level -- and changing too.
So the paterns we develop are always inevitably inacurate, incomplete
and (from time to time) changing. Also, the more we know (if we are wise= )
the more we know we don't know.

Some new-agey folks believe our "projections" actually alter the "reality" around us. I don't believe it a bit. But that's an "idea" that's making the=20=
rounds. "Think nice thoughts and it will become a world of love and peace .=20= . .
oh yeah . . . and send all you money to Guru Wannahockaloogey." I believe it= 's
more like Ed Abby says in one of my favorite quotes by him: "Better a cru= el
truth than a comfortable delusion."

Some truths are mutable, some (in my now cantakerous AARP-member years)
seem much less so. What can I say? I'm a cranky OLD GUY and I like to hear <= BR> myself talk.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

In a message dated 7/12/05 2:25:35 PM, rs@moinlabs.de writes:

I don't see the Heise= nberg influence here at all. It seems like taking
Einstein's laws to explain why cars do not drive faster than 55 or
65 mph on American highways...

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_d6.29a54f4d.3005a01e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 22:52:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 269603BF88; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Jul 2005 22:52:35 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:52:35 -0500 Subject: Re: a perfect looping concert X-Originating-Ip: 69.110.51.80 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050712225235.4896D86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Loopers- Must throw in my two cents as well. An incredible evening!! Dan, Rick and= Theresa started off with some great grooves and dub stylings.=20 Rock solid drums, inventive bass looping (loved the distorted upper registe= r lead bass), and tranceful delayed vocals. David Tristam's=20 video projections rocked my world (both while listening to others and while= we were playing. I kept having to turn around and stare at the=20 wall while we were playing because I couldn't believe what was happening ba= ck there. By the time Ted Killian and Jeff Kaiser played I just=20 layed on the floor with a pillow under my head and melted into bliss! The = patience, restraint and musicality of the conversation between=20=20 Ted's sustainiac guitar loops and Jeff's altered trumpet was humbling.. A = lesson in remembering to breathe. Also, I'll cop now to some responsibilty for the heat. Halfway through Gho= st 7's set I asked the kitchen to turn off the big, noisy, exhaust=20 fan that was intruding into my listening pleasure. Sure was hot, but it so= unded better!! Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: a perfect looping concert Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:45:33 -0700 >=20 > Last night I was privy with many other people to one of the most enjoyable > live looping shows I've witnessed. >=20 > List member, guitarist and composer of one of my favorite loop=20 > records ever (Flux Aeterna), Ted Killian > came all the way from Medford, Oregon to do a sublime duet with=20 > Jeff Kaiser, the amazing new music > trumpet/electronics artist who has a lot of notoriety in the Los=20 > Angeles new music scene with his excellent > record labels pfMENTUM and Angry Vegan Records. >=20 > To top this amazing performance off, David Tristram drove across=20 > the hill and just showed up with his > video projector and projected beautiful visuals that were amazingly=20 > synchronous with the performance. >=20 > With Ted creating really beautiful, restrained and ultimately=20 > tastey ambient pads and long legato, searing guitar tones, > Jeff got freaky with his trumpet playing through a couple of Line 6=20 > DL-4s, an Alesis Bitr-man (man oh man, what a cool pedal), > a Moogerfooger ring modulator and a few other things that I didn't=20 > get the names of. >=20 > Jeff is an avante garde player with extreme taste and musicality.=20=20= =20 > He has amazing acoustic technique as a trumpet player (and Ted=20 > tells me > he is also is trained in complex choral arranging) and he rides a=20 > beautiful taught line between lyricism and very angular and even=20 > abrasive sound manipulation. Always abstract, yet always hinting at=20 > beautiful worlds, I was just floored by the interaction between=20 > these two wonderful and sensitive players. I told Dan Soltzberg=20 > (with whom I played earlier in the evening in Orange with his=20 > talented singer/percussionist wife, Theresa) that I had one of=20 > those peak moments about 15 minutes into their set where I thought=20 > to myself, "This is why we work so hard to put these free concerts=20 > on for the public". >=20 > Joe Rut and Lucio Menegon (aka Lumper/Splitter) were in the middle=20 > slot and also played a really sublime set of double guitar looping. > Again, they run the gamut of more inside styles and more avante=20 > garde arhythmic styles. Their set was filled with a lot of energy=20 > and they > had great chemistry going to a lot of different musical spaces.=20=20=20 > Joe also played a cool invented instrument that had contact mics=20 > and various > pieces of metal welded on a resonating board. I really resonated=20 > with his playing on that piece and feel really glad that I now have=20 > three new friends in my musical world (Joe, Lucio and Jeff). >=20 > It was really enjoyable playing the opening set with Dan and=20 > Theresa on trapset. I rarely just play kit these days and it was=20 > really fun to use minimalistic looping techniques (I only had a=20 > lonely Line 6 without any processing for my kick and snare mic) and=20 > I tried out a bunch of new techniques of playing kit and using=20 > mouth percussion simultaneously . I really got into a minimalist=20 > groove zone and the whole set was very trancey for me. >=20 > I'll leave it to someone else to speak of that set though because=20 > as enjoyable as it was, I have no idea how it sounded to the=20 > audience (one of the saddest things about being a performing=20 > artist...............you just can't tell how things are percieved=20 > until after the fact). I do know that I really dug the bass and=20 > looping and processing work that Dan was doing and Theresa did some=20 > really nice spoken word pieces as well as singing beautifully. >=20 > It was hotter than hades in the venue but for the first time, the=20 > Blues Jam downstairs didn't occur simultaneously so we were able to=20 > use the big stage and the big sound system and the sound was=20 > excellent. >=20 > Add to that how sweet the staff of the ATTIC's restaurant were and=20 > it was just a reallly successful show, artistically. >=20 > Thanks to all the artists who made it possible. >=20 > Rick Walker --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 12 23:20:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 496C43BF8C; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ca01c59f94$68c60030$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:20:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <6fqEYC.A.m0G.2AF1CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:20:23 +0000 (UTC) A quick disclaimer: After my last post, which upon rereading was unecessarily vague and poorly worded, I should really say that I probably hacked Bateson's thesis about mind and certainly made it stupidly sophomoric (sp?) compared to the brilliance and elegance of his presentation of it to me some 25 years ago. I apologize. I'm musing here. I am no expert and I can't hold a candle to the philosophical knowledge that Krispen has. That being said and done: About the notion of causality, I did not mean to say that Bateson believed that all things were causal. Not at all and thanks for all the accurate refutations of that idea. No, what I meant was that he said that because of the limitations of our neurophysiology that we are forced to make causal maps of reality....................or at least binary maps. It's probably more accurate to use maps that are arranged with patterns that we 'percieve'. It is an interesting, the Jungian notion of synchronicity: I think it is a particularly human perception. Because, according to the binary/synaptic model of human perception, we try to see patterning in our attempts to survive and live in the world and because we imbue those patterns with significance, we have a tendency to align percieved patterns together and they line up with each other (the Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd's "The Wall".................Ted and Jeff's improvisations with the premade video animations of David Tristram from the other evening). Does it mean that outside of human perception that there is a connection between the two. Maybe yes, maybe know. Frequently in improvisations with musicians, audience members have come up and said, "You guys were so psychically linked with each other during that last piece." When, however, we talk about it later as musicians we realize that the listener had projected this alignment of pattern onto their aural experience and it has no resonance whatsoever with the experience of the musicians. This has happened to me far more frequently than the sublime experience of having all the musicians thinking, "Wow, we were really in the zone together on that one." Even so, though, because we are pattern oriented (and remember eschewing pattern is a still has much predictability in it----------witness all the predictable 'free improv' shows that we've all suffered through) it can be argued that the musicians are still responding with some set of 'strategies' to each other so there is a relationship. I know a great bass player where I live who if I lock into what he's playing rigidly (with a pop aesthetic) he will immediately change his bass line and move away from me. If I start a groove that is repetitive (as is my want as an acknowledged trance/groove oriented pop percussionist) he will purposefully eschew playing any subset or 'skeletilization' of the drum beat I'm playing. His response to me is so predictable as to almost be laughable. He just doesn't want to be 'locked' down. I think he is an amazing and truly unique, creative musician but I , personally, have absolutely no fun playing with him. The only thing that works (with my aesthetic of playing) is to play a completely non-syncopative 'framing' rhythm to sound good with him. Still if you see where I'm going, he is using pattern orientation in his approach. He actually writes great ostinato bass lines......... just don't try to lock in with him..........lol What I'm really trying to get at is the initial impetus for my first post which is a response to Matthias' original fascinating and provacative musings about the tyranny of simple binary form in music. My only contention is that is that if you took a bell curve analysis of all the musical expression on this planet that the 'bell' would firmly rest on music that has fairly predictable binary form. I just think this is because we are human beings and that we have limitations in what we can percieve (Bateson's thesis, if he's not rolling in his grave with my oversimplification of it.) If you are interested in what he has to say, I suggest that you read his brilliant and somewhat difficult book, "Steps Towards and Ecology of Mind". His thesis is far too complex for me to butcher it here so please forgive me trained philosophers, neurophysiologists and aesthetes out there. I would suggest that you start with the essay, "Form, Substance and Difference" which is in the middle of the book. If you dig it, I'd be happy to let anyone know the order that Bateson had us read the book in. He begins it with a whole group of conversations with his daughter called 'Metalogues' that he said should have been at the end of the book, not the beginning of the book. We truly wanted people to approach what we was saying in a non-linear way and felt constrained by the linear nature of a printed book......beginning, middle and end, but confessed after it was published that it was the wrong way to publish it. Because of the seeming lack of connection in it (he was seminal in creating accepted theories in art history, anthropolgy, family systems, schizophrenia, dolphin and whale intelligence.............an incredibly brilliant thinker who eschewed getting PHDS in subjects (some thought arrogantly) and moving into subjects that he had no expertise in and truly changing their paradigms. Krispen wrote: "In any event, what sort if relevance does this type of synchronicity have in the group free improvisation context? Trey Anastasio from Phish once commented in an interview that when Phish improvised, the music did not come "from" from, but "passed through" them. This is the first time I heard someone say this." Yes, I have heard this from many many master musicians that I have read about or had the privilege to play with. There seems no doubt about it, whether in sports of in art: there seem to be 'peak moments' that occur. I know that neurophysiologists have attributed these phenomena to the brains production of theta waves (which are associated with creative thought and trance). I know that every couple of years I will wake up in the middle of the night and my mind will just pour creative idea after idea out. For those rare occurences I now keep a small notebook with a pen by my head when I sleep because I have learned that everything I right down when I"m in that state is a 'gem' and a potential for a very creative project. "It is as if we get in this state of mind when improvising in a group setting, and events occur, but it isn't obvious that they are caused by us. Certainly, our fingers and hands are moving and causing the fluctuation of air pressure, but we are talking about something more fundamental here. "Passing through" as in "unfolding"? Not sure, but it's worth some investigation. I'm now entertaining the thought that free improvisation could benefit from Synchronicity, if one can actually harness the principle...which is a whole different matter." Yeah, Krispen, this is intriguing....................I keep going back to the amazing performance I saw with Mssrs. Killian, Kaiser and Tristram. There were seemingly amazing synchronicities in that performance where Ted, Jeff and David's performances (two in real time...........the latter 'canned). It was just stunning, but I imagine if I polled all the musicians and all the audience members that each person would have a really different take on what had 'happened'. I keep coming back to projection of patterning onto experience that we do naturally as human beings. In group therapuetic work that I have participated in years ago, I discovered that probably 90% of all assumptions that we make about members of our family of origin are false when they are examined by both parties. In those same exercises, done with three different families with completely different socio-economic backgrounds, we were all impressed with the fact that nearly 100% of all assumptions that we made about what we assumed our family members had were wrong. There's a whole lot of projection going on in performance.........by performer and audience alike. But that's what so wonderful and mysterious and unpredictable about playing live and why I keep coming back to live looping as a great love instead of precanned looping (which I use extensively in my composition). ******** Okee dokee, I'm well aware that I'm just too fucking chatty on here at times and write too much. If anyone is still with me here, I thank them profusely for letting me muse a little. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 13 00:40:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FDB93BF95; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: AW: zen and the fluent music Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:39:17 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A625@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: zen and the fluent music thread-index: AcWHMkncxbPzvOw6SlCxdcXH1vNLbQACQXQA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2005 00:39:17.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D5371C0:01C58743] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:40:53 +0000 (UTC) It is the Hawthorn Effect, Ted....is that what you were getting at? =20 Here is something laughable and apropos. Bertrand Russell once said in a paper that when a brain surgeon is operating on the brain of a patient, what he is observing is not in the patient's head, but inside his own head. He said he hadn't found a philosopher yet that understood what he meant by this. But the general thinking is that when you think you are perceiving reality or a physical object, in this case an exposed brain, you are not perceiving it at all, because light reflects off the physical object, travels through the air, hits your retina, triggers a nerve response, travels to the brain, and finally generates a perception of so-called "reality". We are really enclosed and shut off from the physical world in this model. But the real kicker is that while you are observing this phenomenon, and substantiating the claim that the surgeon is not perceiving the physical brain, YOU (or we) are in the same blasted predicament. And this goes on ad infinitum to generate a rather interesting paradox. We really don't know what this physical realty is, then, based on this conundrum. This line of thought has led some to reject the notion of a physical world (the Idealists) and posit that there is only mind, no material world; and others have rejected the endeavor of trying to find out whether there is a physical world, and if there is one, its nature (the phenomenalist). This latter group considers all sense-data neutral. It is what it is, period. =20 Hence, to some extend, and back to Rick's comments, this philosophical model of perception forces us to be more skeptical in our thinking about the so-called world of "external reality" and what we can know about it. It's actually worse than the Heisenberg principle...it forbids any sort of objective perspective of the physical world, if that world even exists beyond our mental perceptions of it. And back to your comments, Ted, because we don't have this objective advantage, we instead create models or reality which we "project" upon the world, whatever that world may be. Kris ________________________________ From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: zen and the fluent music Just a thought, I dunno if this has anything to do with Heisenberg or not. But there=20 is a generally held theory that (on some level) observation alters the=20 observed and therefore affects the results. I do not know if this is=20 some corollary to the principle that the more accurately you determine=20 the position of a sub-atomic particle the less you can determine about=20 it's specific direction and/or velocity or not -- but there seems to be a=20 tangential connection of some sort there (in my mind at least). I'm=20 cetainly no expert though. I'm also not sure if this is the connection that Rick's friend might be refering=20 to but it seems plausable that it could be -- if only as a metaphoric parallel. We observe the universe and perceive (and then project on it) "paterns" and schemes of organization to help us understand it based on what we see.=20 But what we see is always incomplete at some level -- and changing too.=20 So the paterns we develop are always inevitably inacurate, incomplete and (from time to time) changing. Also, the more we know (if we are wise)=20 the more we know we don't know. Some new-agey folks believe our "projections" actually alter the "reality" around us. I don't believe it a bit. But that's an "idea" that's making the=20 rounds. "Think nice thoughts and it will become a world of love and peace . . . oh yeah . . . and send all you money to Guru Wannahockaloogey." I believe it's more like Ed Abby says in one of my favorite quotes by him: "Better a cruel=20 truth than a comfortable delusion."=20 Some truths are mutable, some (in my now cantakerous AARP-member years)=20 seem much less so. What can I say? I'm a cranky OLD GUY and I like to hear=20 myself talk. Best regards, tEd (r) kiLLiAn In a message dated 7/12/05 2:25:35 PM, rs@moinlabs.de writes: I don't see the Heisenberg influence here at all. It seems like taking Einstein's laws to explain why cars do not drive faster than 55 or=20 65 mph on American highways... =09 "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 13 00:44:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D492C3BF98; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JVYAl7Tb+2zAH6H0lSBcR4hX8LROWlY5OmlY5vDH/S6JRa3TYEHjewoY3wpqiqzNFuSXvLS4A3hOItYNOYW+UFQxeCVox0qowSdhsChjTDPNe/dnJbspOoXhjHIRUIaFqJd2zUN356XLkQ6CXOExQg6eMzUTg2Wh4JhbxUEtGdA= ; Message-ID: <20050713004434.59453.qmail@web52811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:44:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000201c58728$6723fae0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:44:36 +0000 (UTC) which is... because you get a ticket? --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I don't see the Heisenberg influence here at all. It > seems like taking > Einstein's laws to explain why cars do not drive > faster than 55 or 65 > mph on American highways... > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 12. August 2005 04:21 > An: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Betreff: zen and the fluent music > > > My own intellectual mentor, the late Gregory > Bateson, said that because > of > the inherent binary neurophysiology > of the human brain and because of the Heisenberg > Uncertainty Principle > that human beings are doomed to create causal maps > of reality with our > perceptions. > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 13 00:48:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A94AE3BF82; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050712174823.tdsu7l9l3wg00k4o@login.heze.lunarpages.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:48:23 -0700 From: Eric Zang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Gibson Echoplex & Eventide Eclipse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - heze.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ericzang.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <-4jBYD.A.vQB.WTG1CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Pictures: http://www.ericzang.com/sale/ Eventide Eclipse - latest OS 3.0. Excellent condition. $1450 Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro - latest OS Loop4, full memory. Excellent condition. $650. (No original footswitch, but a midi foot controller is much better anyways.) All equipment from smoke free environment and never gigged out with. Actual shipping cost will be added to the price. I can accept paypal, money order, or COD. I have references. I will ship worldwide. (Paypal "credit card source of funds" purchases will need to cover the 3% fee. http://www.thefeecalculator.com/ Account transfer type transaction has no fee.) Pictures: http://www.ericzang.com/sale/ Located in Phoenix, AZ, USA Eric Zang g e a r @ e r i c z a n g . c o m 480-437-4214 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 13 00:50:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 351C93BF97; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:50:15 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A627@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: zen and the fluent music thread-index: AcWHOE6LHMOQ+cxuRjqtZHswNqfL+wAC1DOQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2005 00:50:17.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[D62D8340:01C58744] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:50:57 +0000 (UTC) > About the notion of causality, I did not mean to say that Bateson believed=20 that all things were causal. Not at all and thanks for all the accurate refutations of that idea. No, what I meant was that he said that because of the limitations of our neurophysiology that we are forced to make causal maps of reality....................or at least binary maps. I followed you on this Rick, and agreed, but on a different set of premises that did not include the Heisenberg Uncertainly principle. I guess the expanded thesis is that we are forced, not to make just causal maps of reality, but to make maps of reality, in general, whether they be causal, a-causal, idealistic, neutral, skeptical, etc. - because of the limitations of thought, perception, observation, etc. Since we can't tap into that unknown with anything but speculation, we are forced to create maps or models. I think we are in violent agreement here! Moral of the story is....we don't know jack shit, so we make it up. :) [snip] > Okee dokee, I'm well aware that I'm just too fucking chatty on here at times and write too much. If anyone is still with me here, I thank them profusely for letting me muse a little. Same here....me talk too much. By the way, Mathias, thanks for the suggestion about using Feedback more. I tried that it is produced some suprising results. It forced me to keep things fresh...normally it is easy to get lazy and start admiring your own loops, noodling around with things over them, etc....but in this case, all of a sudden your loops are disappearing before you ears and you have to keep creating more stuff! Keeps you on your toes! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 13 01:15:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DEAA3BF9D; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=DQCzZ7kASTiP5GPCe5LM71rUN1A9JnjJr5CrKlhgxsdZHKfwi1oKKkt9WYyKAKw8; Message-ID: <410-22005731312133270@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Roland EV-10 and the VF-1 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:21:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ad4d0932847b5da8bf4e982d73ad05cd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.145.231 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like something to avoid (LOL!) Thanks, man! You saved me a butt-ache. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: mark sottilaro > To: > Date: 7/12/2005 1:07:36 PM > Subject: RE: Roland EV-10 and the VF-1 > > Be careful upgrading these beasts. I did while > selling one (VF-1) as per request of the auction > winner, and he had a ton of problems that were only > resolved by reintalling the software... and I think it > took him 3 trys before it totally "took." So, if you > upgrade and have problems, don't worry, just give > yourself a lot of time as it may take more than a few > installs. > > Mark > > --- jeremy wrote: > > > Earlier OS not a problem. I'm running 1.12 I think > > which does include the > > speaker simulation. I ought to get round to getting > > the latest just because > > it's there. > > > > The reason I upgraded from the very earliest version > > was to improve > > reception of MIDI clock while sending lots of > > controller information. > > > > Stick with what you've got unless you have a problem > > you need to address. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Jeremy > > > > http://www.masse.org.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Timothy Mungenast > > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:19:23 -0400 > > > To: > > > Subject: RE: Roland EV-10 and the VF-1 > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > "Latest operating system is 1.13" > > > > > > Mine is the old code that does not include the > > speaker-simulation addendum > > > patch mentioned in the off-the-web owner's manual. > > > 1. That's not a problem? > > > 2. Is it worth the trouble getting the VF-1 > > reflashed with the new code, > > > seeing as I am just getting acquainted with the > > unit? > > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > > >> From: jeremy > > >> To: > > >> Cc: Timothy Mungenast > > >> Date: 7/10/2005 8:27:29 AM > > >> Subject: Roland EV-10 and the VF-1 > > >> > > >> Hi Tim, > > >> > > >> > > >> Schematic below: > > >> > > >> > > >> 50k ohm linear > > >> _______/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\______ > > >> | | | > > >> | | | > > >> | | | > > >> * * * > > >> track wiper earth/ground > > >> > > >> > > >> ring tip sleeve (to VF-1) > > >> > > >> > > >> Latest operating system is 1.13 > > >> > > >> Best wishes > > >> > > >> Jeremy > > >> > > >> http://www.masse.org.uk > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 13 01:15:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22F4D3BF9A; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1ed.3fa76407.3005c531@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:15:29 EDT Subject: Re: AW: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ed.3fa76407.3005c531_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:15:33 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1ed.3fa76407.3005c531_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, In a message dated 7/12/05 5:41:09 PM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes: > It is the Hawthorn Effect, Ted....is that what you were getting at? >=20 I wouldn't pretend to know. I wasn't a philosopy major. I've read some Plato (and know the difference between him and Mickey's=20 dog Pluto). I've read (and re-read) some Hawking and Feynman for entertainment purposes (not for retention, particularly) and used to subscribe to Scientific American. But, I am not a "Science guy" or=20 (for that matter) a "Philosophy guy." I am wholly a doofus "Art guy."=20 I am curious, so I rabidly read a little of everything. One might call me a confused "Abstract Expressionist neo-Calvinist guy" (with delusions of musicianship). But, like Hawkeye I don't call myself much of anything=20 at all. Heheh. The gist of your Bertrand Russell story is right on though. Realising=20 this Truth we all ought to be a little more humble in our assertions . . . no matter who we are or what we believe. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1ed.3fa76407.3005c531_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,

In a message dated 7/12/05 5:41:09 PM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes:

It is the Hawthorn Ef= fect, Ted....is that what you were getting at?

I wouldn't pretend to know. I wasn't a philosopy major. I've read
some Plato (and know the difference between him and Mickey's
dog Pluto). I've read (and re-read) some Hawking and Feynman
for entertainment purposes (not for retention, particularly) and used
to subscribe to Scientific American. But, I am not a "Science guy" or
(for that matter) a "Philosophy guy." I am wholly a doofus "Art guy."

I am curious, so I rabidly read a little of everything. One might call me a confused "Abstract Expressionist neo-Calvinist guy" (with delusions
of musicianship). But, like Hawkeye I don't call myself much of anything at all. Heheh.

The gist of your Bertrand Russell story is right on though. Realising=20=
this Truth we all ought to be a little more humble in our assertions . . . no matter who we are or what we believe.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1ed.3fa76407.3005c531_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 13 03:22:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C1DD3BFAE; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <31802241.1121224963263.JavaMail.root@wamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:22:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: "donh@mindspring.com" Reply-To: "donh@mindspring.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Gibson Echoplex & Eventide Eclipse Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi Eric, I'm very interested in your Echoplex. 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(Paypal "credit card source of funds" purchases will need to cover the 3% fee. http://www.thefeecalculator.com/ Account transfer type transaction has no fee.) Pictures: http://www.ericzang.com/sale/ Located in Phoenix, AZ, USA Eric Zang g e a r @ e r i c z a n g . c o m 480-437-4214 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 13 04:51:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE6A03BF96; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 04:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,284,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="58064888:sNHT20177010" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:46:48 -0400 To: boss-improv@topica.com, ambient@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Dean Stiglitz , the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Fwd: Re: Bob Moog ill Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 04:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I thought some of you would be interested. It will mark the end of an era. > > >http://www.caringbridge.com/cb/inputSiteName.do?method=search&siteName=bobmo >og > -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 13 21:00:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC24D3BFB3; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C587ED.D6FEFAC9" Subject: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:00:02 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A820@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI thread-index: AcWH7daiV3YuVLnfQBS4sewFSK3DOw== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2005 21:00:05.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8232CF0:01C587ED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:00:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C587ED.D6FEFAC9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C587ED.D6FEFAC9" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C587ED.D6FEFAC9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone point me to a primer on if, and how to change parameters on the EDP via MIDI? Rick has me experimenting with Insert=3DSUB with quantize set at 8th notes, which generates some cool effects, but normally when I play I want quantize set to OFF. Can I send a MIDI signal to the EDP to change quantize to 8th notes, perform the Insert magic, and then turn the quantize back to OFF? I suppose this will take three button pushes on my FCB and consequently take up three more buttons on the unit.... I suppose I could create a preset on the EDPs with these Quantize settings, and select that with a program change, but I was hoping to avoid the work of setting that up. Kris ------_=_NextPart_002_01C587ED.D6FEFAC9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI

Can anyone point me to a primer on if, = and how to change parameters on the EDP via MIDI?  Rick has me = experimenting with Insert=3DSUB with quantize set at 8th notes, which = generates some cool effects, but normally when I play I want quantize = set to OFF.  Can I send a MIDI signal to the EDP to change quantize = to 8th notes, perform the Insert magic, and then turn the quantize back = to OFF? I suppose this will take three button pushes on my FCB and = consequently take up three more buttons on the unit….

I suppose I could create a preset on = the EDPs with these Quantize settings, and select that with a program = change, but I was hoping to avoid the work of setting that = up.

Kris



------_=_NextPart_002_01C587ED.D6FEFAC9-- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C587ED.D6FEFAC9 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="kris.hartung@hp.com.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: kris.hartung@hp.com.vcf Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="kris.hartung@hp.com.vcf" QkVHSU46VkNBUkQNClZFUlNJT046Mi4xDQpOOkhhcnR1bmc7S3Jpcw0KRk46a3Jpcy5oYXJ0dW5n QGhwLmNvbQ0KT1JHOkhld2xldHQtUGFja2FyZCBDb21wYW55DQpUSVRMRTpDU0cgQW1lcmljYXMg Q2xpZW50IEVuZ2FnZW1lbnQgTWFuYWdlcg0KVEVMO1dPUks7Vk9JQ0U6MS00MDQtNzc0LTc0NDQN ClRFTDtIT01FO1ZPSUNFOjEtMjA4LTM2Ny05MzA5DQpURUw7Q0VMTDtWT0lDRToxLTIwOC03MjQt NTYwMw0KQURSO1dPUks6OzsxMjAyIE4uIDI0dGggU3RyZWV0O0JvaXNlO0lEOzgzNzAyO1VuaXRl ZCBTdGF0ZXMgb2YgQW1lcmljYQ0KTEFCRUw7V09SSztFTkNPRElORz1RVU9URUQtUFJJTlRBQkxF OjEyMDIgTi4gMjR0aCBTdHJlZXQ9MEQ9MEFCb2lzZSwgSUQgODM3MDI9MEQ9MEFVbml0ZWQgU3Rh dGVzIG9mIEFtZXJpY2ENCkVNQUlMO1BSRUY7SU5URVJORVQ6a3Jpcy5oYXJ0dW5nQGhwLmNvbQ0K UkVWOjIwMDUwNjE3VDIxMTYwMVoNCkVORDpWQ0FSRA0K ------_=_NextPart_001_01C587ED.D6FEFAC9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 13 22:48:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 783653BFC7; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: RE: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:47:50 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01c587fc$e8c6acd0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A820@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris It's not such a big deal to set up presets on the EDP. I have one that I = use for the Insert=3DSUB quantized and one non quantized. Other solution: On the PMC-10 you can assign arbitrary MIDI-Strings to = be sent on a button down and other arbitrary MIDI-Strings on button up. I don't know about the Behringer FCB1010. Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com]=20 Sent: Mittwoch, 13. Juli 2005 23:00 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI Can anyone point me to a primer on if, and how to change parameters on = the EDP via MIDI?=A0 Rick has me experimenting with Insert=3DSUB with = quantize set at 8th notes, which generates some cool effects, but normally when I = play I want quantize set to OFF.=A0 Can I send a MIDI signal to the EDP to = change quantize to 8th notes, perform the Insert magic, and then turn the = quantize back to OFF? I suppose this will take three button pushes on my FCB and consequently take up three more buttons on the unit=85. I suppose I could create a preset on the EDPs with these Quantize = settings, and select that with a program change, but I was hoping to avoid the = work of setting that up. Kris=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 00:25:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D24843BFC1; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:25:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A820@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A820@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:25:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <7Mvm5.A.X8H.NEb1CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:25:49 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 13, 2005, at 23:00, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Can anyone point me to a primer on if, and how to change parameters =20= > on the EDP via MIDI? Rick has me experimenting with Insert=3DSUB =20 > with quantize set at 8th notes, which generates some cool effects, =20 > but normally when I play I want quantize set to OFF. Can I send a =20 > MIDI signal to the EDP to change quantize to 8th notes, perform the =20= > Insert magic, and then turn the quantize back to OFF? I suppose =20 > this will take three button pushes on my FCB and consequently take =20 > up three more buttons on the unit=85. > > I suppose I could create a preset on the EDPs with these Quantize =20 > settings, and select that with a program change, but I was hoping =20 > to avoid the work of setting that up. I really don't know if a lot of parameters can be changed over midi. =20 I think changing program is very convenient with the EDP. Just one =20 pedal kick will change as many parameters as you want. I play my EDP =20 with ten different programs: five programs when I play in 4/4, three =20 in 5/4 and two for 6/8. The 8th/cycle is the parameter I keep =20 different from program to program. It serves two purposes: kicking =20 slaved looping devices into a different tempo relation to the EDP and =20= changing the duration for audio slices I add to loops). There are a =20 few of the programs with no quantization, but otherwise they are =20 quite similar. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 03:50:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DD893BFD1; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42D5E15A.4080301@aromabar.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:51:54 -0400 From: blixton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: korg dl8000r delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2wub3.A.rRG.iEe1CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:50:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a cool delay/looper, but I don't need it right now. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/korgDL8000R/korgDL8000R.html I bought it off a guy in the uk. So, the power supply is uk. I bought a powerbright tranformer that works great with it. So, if an American buys the korg I'll throw the tranformer in. I'll ship worldwide. Asking 200 + shipping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 03:55:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F39F73BFD5; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42D5E282.7040307@aromabar.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:56:50 -0400 From: blixton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: korg dl8000r delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <73YFAD.A.OZG.JJe1CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Forgot to mention it is mint. I have a photo copy of the manual somewhere, but it is quite crap. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 03:58:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 673D83BFD9; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <473f0c9137925b85c0e8a84d10724f9e@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lee Barnes Subject: Re: Bob Moog ill Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:58:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Dear Emile, Damn, thanks for posting this to the group! Dr. Moog was a goodly portion of what got me into electronica in the first place, Tangerine Dream, Yes, and (early) Genesis were the main influences, early on. We can only hope that he continues with the gentle response to the radiation treatments. Lee On Jul 13, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > Hi > > Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I thought some of you would be > interested. It will mark the end of an era. > >> >> >> http://www.caringbridge.com/cb/inputSiteName.do? >> method=search&siteName=bobmo >> og >> > > -- > > "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two > opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the > ability to function." > > F. Scott Fitzgerald > > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at > http://www.foryourhead.com > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 05:34:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DB863BFE1; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006d01c58835$a561a010$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: AW: zen and the fluent Music Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:34:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Rainer wrote to my first post: > I don't see the Heisenberg influence here at all. It > seems like taking > Einstein's laws to explain why cars do not drive > faster than 55 or 65 > mph on American highways... Please excuse, Rainer.................I included about five connected ideas in that previous one sentence that are firmly connected in my brain and upon rereading what I wrote realize that the connection in my mind wasn't communicated at all. I was tired when I wrote it, please forgive me. What I meant to say is that given the fact that we can not see things below a certain size with an electron micropscope (what is it now? thirty years ago it was a quarter of a wave length of a certain frequency of light) and due to the fact that human beings can only hazard a guess where an electron 'is' at any given instant just means that it is tough for us to talk with great certainty about 'reality'. Add to the fact the the photons have to travel to our retina; be converted into electrical signals, ad nauseum just throws more of a wrench into things. But my understanding of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is limited to one lecture where a lay person explained it's relevance to cognitive theory during about a ten minute interval almost thirty years ago. I shouldn't have even mentioned it because I'm not qualified to. I was just trying to get across my own personal understanding that we, as human beings are doomed to create patterns out of our experience but knowing that limitation; having humility about it and having the creative experience enobles us to make better and better maps. Hell, I'm a drummer originally, so I love to use patterns. I find that juxtaposing formulaic patterns is a very useful way to make things that sound good to my ears. At the same time, I love chaos and randomness and 'the new'. I think there is room for all in the musical world. When I play funk, however, I really like to play with a bass player who really knows how to play within the somewhat rigid stylistic confines of that genre. There are 2 to the 16 power possible single line rhythms possible in any given measure of 4/4 using 16th notes as the smallest note value............there's a ton of room for creativity even in, say, the world of 1970's era East Coast Funk, but it's really fucking funky when someone knows how to play the game. But that's just me. Scott Kungha Drengsen or maybe even Steve Lawson (who loves soul music) might disagree with me and they'd be legit. *********** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 07:41:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D4453BFE5; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5C24EDB5-C781-4438-8AC0-EFA41C97C548@collective.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Os Subject: Augustus Loop, now with better MIDI sync Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:41:39 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Some of you may be interested to know that I've just updated my looping plug-in Augustus Loop to v1.4.3 with much improved MIDI sync compatibility. I'm also maintaining a compatibility chart now at http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustussync.html which is something of a hall of shame for the larger DAW hosts. However Ableton Live (which seems to be a popular app on this list) now works fully with Augustus as regards MIDI sync. cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 08:42:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9B953BFE9; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:41:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #430 From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050714002550.7E0773BFC7@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:42:02 +0000 (UTC) There's a handy Excel spreadsheet that sets out all the EDP MIDI commands: PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS_2.xls Can't remember where I found it (probably on Loopers-Delight). Can forward it to you if you like. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > From: > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:47:50 +0200 > To: > Subject: RE: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI >=20 > Hi Kris > It's not such a big deal to set up presets on the EDP. I have one that I = use > for the Insert=3DSUB quantized and one non quantized. > Other solution: On the PMC-10 you can assign arbitrary MIDI-Strings to be > sent on a button down and other arbitrary MIDI-Strings on button up. > I don't know about the Behringer FCB1010. > Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 13. Juli 2005 23:00 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI >=20 > Can anyone point me to a primer on if, and how to change parameters on th= e > EDP via MIDI?=A0 Rick has me experimenting with Insert=3DSUB with quantize se= t > at 8th notes, which generates some cool effects, but normally when I play= I > want quantize set to OFF.=A0 Can I send a MIDI signal to the EDP to change > quantize to 8th notes, perform the Insert magic, and then turn the quanti= ze > back to OFF? I suppose this will take three button pushes on my FCB and > consequently take up three more buttons on the unit=85. > I suppose I could create a preset on the EDPs with these Quantize setting= s, > and select that with a program change, but I was hoping to avoid the work= of > setting that up. > Kris=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 10:33:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E34433BFDA; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42D63F52.7030706@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:32:50 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , "ampfea.org music-bar" Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:33:43 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Today, I will feature music from Kenso, the big hit of last weekend at NEARfest. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on the music- bar mailing list as one example of how the internet affects electronic music. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Malta Sessions" by members of the music-bar internet mailing list. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Pure Gamma" by Pure Gamma on Defective Records and released in 1994. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 13:01:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F29DB3BFE0; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c58874$3018c240$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: RE: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:01:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:01:46 +0000 (UTC) The excel spreadsheet ( http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html )is great for all midi commands but wont give you the commands to switch quantize on/off on the edp.(it is on the LD site this is sys ex domain Quant Cycle F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 13 02 01 00 01 F7 Quant 8th F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 13 02 01 00 02 F7 Quant loop F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 13 02 01 00 03 F7 Quant Off F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 13 02 01 00 00 F7 Claude There's a handy Excel spreadsheet that sets out all the EDP MIDI commands: PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS_2.xls Can't remember where I found it (probably on Loopers-Delight). Can forward it to you if you like. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > From: > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:47:50 +0200 > To: > Subject: RE: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI > > Hi Kris > It's not such a big deal to set up presets on the EDP. I have one that I > use > for the Insert=SUB quantized and one non quantized. > Other solution: On the PMC-10 you can assign arbitrary MIDI-Strings to be > sent on a button down and other arbitrary MIDI-Strings on button up. > I don't know about the Behringer FCB1010. > Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 13. Juli 2005 23:00 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI > > Can anyone point me to a primer on if, and how to change parameters on the > EDP via MIDI? Rick has me experimenting with Insert=SUB with quantize set > at 8th notes, which generates some cool effects, but normally when I play > I > want quantize set to OFF. Can I send a MIDI signal to the EDP to change > quantize to 8th notes, perform the Insert magic, and then turn the > quantize > back to OFF? I suppose this will take three button pushes on my FCB and > consequently take up three more buttons on the unit.. > I suppose I could create a preset on the EDPs with these Quantize > settings, > and select that with a program change, but I was hoping to avoid the work > of > setting that up. > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 13:40:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4EC23BFEE; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: RE: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:39:55 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A8DA@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI thread-index: AcWIdDQpfcw2pkEdTdqvM+USrPs/vAABUHtg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2005 13:39:57.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[85FD2F70:01C58879] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Claude. K-=20 -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI The excel spreadsheet ( http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html )is great for all midi commands but wont give you the commands to switch quantize on/off on the edp.(it is on the LD site this is sys ex domain Quant Cycle F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 13 02 01 00 01 F7 Quant 8th F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 13 02 01 00 02 F7 Quant loop F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 13 02 01 00 03 F7 Quant Off F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 13 02 01 00 00 F7 Claude There's a handy Excel spreadsheet that sets out all the EDP MIDI commands: PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS_2.xls Can't remember where I found it (probably on Loopers-Delight). Can forward it to you if you like. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > From: > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:47:50 +0200 > To: > Subject: RE: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI > > Hi Kris > It's not such a big deal to set up presets on the EDP. I have one that > I use for the Insert=3DSUB quantized and one non quantized. > Other solution: On the PMC-10 you can assign arbitrary MIDI-Strings to > be sent on a button down and other arbitrary MIDI-Strings on button up. > I don't know about the Behringer FCB1010. > Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 13. Juli 2005 23:00 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI > > Can anyone point me to a primer on if, and how to change parameters on > the EDP via MIDI? Rick has me experimenting with Insert=3DSUB with=20 > quantize set at 8th notes, which generates some cool effects, but=20 > normally when I play I want quantize set to OFF. Can I send a MIDI=20 > signal to the EDP to change quantize to 8th notes, perform the Insert=20 > magic, and then turn the quantize back to OFF? I suppose this will=20 > take three button pushes on my FCB and consequently take up three more > buttons on the unit.. > I suppose I could create a preset on the EDPs with these Quantize=20 > settings, and select that with a program change, but I was hoping to=20 > avoid the work of setting that up. > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 13:44:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDDA43BFF1; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:44:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <000e01c58874$3018c240$0400000a@mini> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWIdDGeXcW18qmtRn+r48jIF6fyuAABeAvg Message-Id: <20050714134419.7E6A33BFEB@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Could you please forward it to me? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI The excel spreadsheet ( http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html )is great for all midi commands but wont give you the commands to switch quantize on/off on the edp.(it is on the LD site this is sys ex domain Quant Cycle F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 13 02 01 00 01 F7 Quant 8th F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 13 02 01 00 02 F7 Quant loop F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 13 02 01 00 03 F7 Quant Off F0 00 01 30 0B 01 01 13 02 01 00 00 F7 Claude There's a handy Excel spreadsheet that sets out all the EDP MIDI commands: PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS_2.xls Can't remember where I found it (probably on Loopers-Delight). Can forward it to you if you like. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > From: > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:47:50 +0200 > To: > Subject: RE: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI > > Hi Kris > It's not such a big deal to set up presets on the EDP. I have one that I > use > for the Insert=SUB quantized and one non quantized. > Other solution: On the PMC-10 you can assign arbitrary MIDI-Strings to be > sent on a button down and other arbitrary MIDI-Strings on button up. > I don't know about the Behringer FCB1010. > Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 13. Juli 2005 23:00 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI > > Can anyone point me to a primer on if, and how to change parameters on the > EDP via MIDI? Rick has me experimenting with Insert=SUB with quantize set > at 8th notes, which generates some cool effects, but normally when I play > I > want quantize set to OFF. Can I send a MIDI signal to the EDP to change > quantize to 8th notes, perform the Insert magic, and then turn the > quantize > back to OFF? I suppose this will take three button pushes on my FCB and > consequently take up three more buttons on the unit.. > I suppose I could create a preset on the EDPs with these Quantize > settings, > and select that with a program change, but I was hoping to avoid the work > of > setting that up. > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 14:30:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DF173BFF5; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Remote-IP: 213.191.142.123 X-Remote-IP: 213.191.130.135 From: "ivan kapec" To: Subject: DD 20 ctl pedal Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:30:38 +0200 Message-ID: <001701c58880$9ba8a780$8782bfd5@epi741531r1soi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C58891.5F317780" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:30:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C58891.5F317780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, loopers! =20 I lost my manual from DD20 and I would like to know how I can set mode >tap>=20 For control pedal. When I plug ctl pedal, there is only on/off mode, and I don=92t know switch to tap mode. =20 Thanks a lot... =20 =20 ivan kapec ivan@triangulizona.com www.triangulizona.com =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C58891.5F317780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C58891.5F317780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 15:33:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A13FB3BFF2; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AfSh5FfvaTg1diAZjIltkyS8Y7nDTSTthjuY6DUnd6f4Pjid6CjLUcWqApXpSER4wQ2GK/7slCh4g2S6lVJikAVgganF+xtYg8vO7j9kOs9wM/S3jPt3/2nNXih/pPbHbKXJEjM6WmWiCon7W+CL0Cuj8M7SPoUxXzdizjOpJXc= Message-ID: <64b81a78050714083248313f69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:32:33 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DD 20 ctl pedal In-Reply-To: <001701c58880$9ba8a780$8782bfd5@epi741531r1soi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <001701c58880$9ba8a780$8782bfd5@epi741531r1soi> Resent-Message-ID: <4xE1ID.A.g9E.6Wo1CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Go to http://www.rolandus.com/support/product_manual.asp?Letter=3DD to find the manual for the DD-20. You've got to fill out a bit of user info to download it so I didn't bother, but it looks like just what you need. Hope this helps, Todd On 7/14/05, ivan kapec wrote: > I lost my manual from DD20 and I would like to know how I can set mode >t= ap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 16:09:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDEDB3BFCA; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:09:29 +0100 Subject: Re: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI From: jeremy To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3204205770_302503" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:09:36 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3204205770_302503 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Of course, it was on Loopers Delight, written by Claude Voit, called PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS_2.xls, up there as PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS_2.zip, here's the link to the page you download it from: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk >=20 >=20 > From: "Hartung, Kris" > Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:00:02 -0600 > To: > Subject: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI >=20 > Can anyone point me to a primer on if, and how to change parameters on th= e EDP > via MIDI? Rick has me experimenting with Insert=3DSUB with quantize set at= 8th > notes, which generates some cool effects, but normally when I play I want > quantize set to OFF. Can I send a MIDI signal to the EDP to change quant= ize > to 8th notes, perform the Insert magic, and then turn the quantize back t= o > OFF? I suppose this will take three button pushes on my FCB and consequen= tly > take up three more buttons on the unit=8A. >=20 > I suppose I could create a preset on the EDPs with these Quantize setting= s, > and select that with a program change, but I was hoping to avoid the work= of > setting that up. >=20 > Kris=20 --B_3204205770_302503 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI Of course, it was on Loopers Delight, written by Claude Voit, called PLE= X_MIDI_COMMANDS_2.xls, up there as PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS_2.zip, here's the link= to the page you download it from:

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> From: "Hartung, Kris" <kris.hart= ung@hp.com>
> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:00:02 -0600
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Subject: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI
>
> Can anyone point me to a primer on if, and how to change parameters on= the EDP
> via MIDI?  Rick has me experimenting with Insert=3DSUB with quantiz= e set at 8th
> notes, which generates some cool effects, but normally when I play I w= ant
> quantize set to OFF.  Can I send a MIDI signal to the EDP to chan= ge quantize
> to 8th notes, perform the Insert magic, and then turn the quantize bac= k to
> OFF? I suppose this will take three button pushes on my FCB and conseq= uently
> take up three more buttons on the unit….
>
> I suppose I could create a preset on the EDPs with these Quantize sett= ings,
> and select that with a program change, but I was hoping to avoid the w= ork of
> setting that up.
>
> Kris

--B_3204205770_302503-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 17:23:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C5163BF2D; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: AW: zen and the fluent music Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:24:49 +0200 Message-ID: <001101c58898$f07393c0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050713004434.59453.qmail@web52811.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:23:30 +0000 (UTC) excatly! Now imagine an alien which is about as tall as our universe (about the same relationship as a proton in relation to us). Suppose this alien has built a device which somehow allows him to measure the speed of cars. He won't see the persons in the car, much less the ticket they might receive by mail. And he is only able to observe cars on highways. So this scientist alien takes his measurements and concludes that in specific areas, most of his cars (which he calls "electrons" for some reason) move at a speed of 55mph, some go slightly slower, some a bit faster. With a certain propability they might even stop, strangely, this propability is decreasing slightly (as electron-builders have increased their quality level). Now, isn't it possible that electrons only exist at certain energy levels only because they get a ticket if they don't? ;-) Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com]=20 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Juli 2005 02:45 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: zen and the fluent music which is... because you get a ticket? --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I don't see the Heisenberg influence here at all. It > seems like taking > Einstein's laws to explain why cars do not drive > faster than 55 or 65 > mph on American highways... >=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 12. August 2005 04:21 > An: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Betreff: zen and the fluent music >=20 >=20 > My own intellectual mentor, the late Gregory > Bateson, said that because > of > the inherent binary neurophysiology > of the human brain and because of the Heisenberg > Uncertainty Principle > that human beings are doomed to create causal maps > of reality with our=20 > perceptions. >=20 >=20 www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 17:33:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86A673BF40; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1pXy4jMrduC19bYas+J1Itawm10o6gjZDDUGVwyRYQAm46wlsBWw62AermurwZLOmgHx4q4N3Fozx/GHWACOiPmBELw20xHZUItvEBFB0L/GFuyleWPshA9TwfuItpyEUfrcd6WVy/WZBjoS/prJLtweM+PIiiJYdz7GMOHvUMU= ; Message-ID: <20050714173255.2378.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:32:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: re: AW: zen and the fluent Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006d01c58835$a561a010$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Interesting topic Rick,this is also the reason i find rhythm guitar players more interesting than lead players.When i opened up for Buena Vista social clubs Eliades Ochoa i sat with the band backstage and asked the rhythm guitar player if he played the 2-and,4 bass while simultaneously playing straight 2,3,4 rhythm(leaving the 1 out)which they don´t.When they play with a band they always start on the 4th of the beat and leave the one out!this can actually be harder since you have to listen carefully to the other musicians to interlock and groove.I thought i´d been playing it correct starting on the 2,3,4,(and leaving the one out) but although similar it grooves totally different! Luis When I > play funk, however, I really like to play with a > bass player who really > knows how to play within the somewhat rigid > stylistic confines of that > genre. > There are 2 to the 16 power possible single line > rhythms possible in any > given measure of 4/4 using 16th notes as the > smallest note > value............there's a ton of room for > creativity even in, say, the > world of 1970's era East Coast Funk, but it's > really fucking funky when > someone knows how to play the game. But that's > just me. Scott Kungha > Drengsen or maybe even Steve Lawson (who loves soul > music) might disagree > with me and they'd be legit. > > > > *********** > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 17:55:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFC753BF33; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GJPwyoJmGkFFAen0Yx93ZiEzdaAanH1U4feKVdOoXCjEe93GWqNJ5t7NURjKiOBntlzEkLXubmbX9i9Mbt4mN+ZzNh7K7mlWSYc402/iPqBkKc4T7ua87p5/Z5k8ZnOCoW8hvE8rv00ruX4P6CMpk04mVGKGf4gcEupZn4gLYPM= ; Message-ID: <20050714175551.17021.qmail@web25202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:55:51 +0200 (CEST) From: obadia Subject: Touring in the UK (gig-spam) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Hello everybody, a quick mail to say that i'm joining a friend's tour in the UK (16-23 of July). I'll be tweaking a drummer called Duracell (he triggers sounds with his drum, using a G2 modular synth. Lightning Bolt/c64 covers. Has to be seen to be believed). Tour schedule @ http://www.clumsybeats.org See you :) Stephane Obadia ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 18:19:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 432723BF3F; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050714181857.70979.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ca01c59f94$68c60030$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Was the "maybe know" slip on purpose? If so NICE, if not... NICE! ;) Anyway, this idea of "gestalt" is very commonly accepted in the world of visual arts and design, so I think it's certain that it translates to music. Humans look for patterns. There's no doubt in my mind. Visual, aural... in everything. Does it have anything to do with the construction of our headmeat? Of course it does. We're software running on dedicated hardware all made by the same manufacturer. I feel that in our case new apps loaded actually have the ability to alter our hardware... within reason. No amount of culture or education is going to make me look at this : : and not "see" a square although no lines are present. That type of thing is in our core program, IMO, and that's why music so easily crosses cultural boundaries like no other form of communication. I can sit and listen to non lyrical music from Bulgaria or Bali or Boston and still "get it." --- "loop.pool" wrote: It is an interesting, the Jungian notion of synchronicity: I think it is a particularly human perception. Because, according to the binary/synaptic model of human perception, we try to see patterning in our attempts to survive and live in the world and because we imbue those patterns with significance, we have a tendency to align percieved patterns together and they line up with each other (the Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd's "The Wall".................Ted and Jeff's improvisations with the premade video animations of David Tristram from the other evening). Does it mean that outside of human perception that there is a connection between the two. Maybe yes, maybe know. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 20:03:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 625CD3BF36; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42D6C561.10000@aromabar.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:04:49 -0400 From: blixton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Dockstader References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1_Id5B.A.44F.RUs1CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Any Tod Dockstader fans here? I have been listening to his stuff. Travelling music. Blown away. Now I'm interested how he did this. I know he used reel2reel tape effects, etc.. Short of buying ten reels and modding them, What gear out there could get close to this sound? He really bends sounds up and the delays are insane. Very warm thick sound. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 20:25:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46B183BF4C; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,290,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="1219997191:sNHT365262930" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <42D6C561.10000@aromabar.com> References: <42D6C561.10000@aromabar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7AA8499B-7B18-4021-9CE8-B00A6FF3809D@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Dockstader Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:24:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <3JAvnB.A.FZG.cos1CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Assume you=92ve got the Starkland CDs? IF not, the liner notes are =20 interesting, if brief; let me know; I=92ll quote =91em to-ya. There are some Reaktor ensembles that can make very Dock-like sounds, =20= but you=92re probably going for that =94vintage/analog=94 thing, right? dc On Jul 14, 2005, at 1:04 PM, blixton wrote: > Any Tod Dockstader fans here? I have been listening to his stuff. =20 > Travelling music. Blown away. Now I'm interested how he did this. I =20= > know he used reel2reel tape effects, etc.. Short of buying ten =20 > reels and modding them, What gear out there could get close to this =20= > sound? He really bends sounds up and the delays are insane. Very =20 > warm thick sound. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 20:41:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C098F3BF40; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42D6CE64.7070901@aromabar.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:43:16 -0400 From: blixton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dockstader References: <42D6C561.10000@aromabar.com> <7AA8499B-7B18-4021-9CE8-B00A6FF3809D@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <7AA8499B-7B18-4021-9CE8-B00A6FF3809D@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:41:56 +0000 (UTC) David Coffin wrote: > Assume you’ve got the Starkland CDs? IF not, the liner notes are > interesting, if brief; let me know; I’ll quote ‘em to-ya. > I haven't. quote away if it isn't too much trouble. ( I have listened to an interivew of him on his site, though) > There are some Reaktor ensembles that can make very Dock-like sounds, > but you’re probably going for that ”vintage/analog” thing, right? > Yes. vintage/analog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 21:06:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A80253BF4C; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,290,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="1129772071:sNHT79693652" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <42D6CE64.7070901@aromabar.com> References: <42D6C561.10000@aromabar.com> <7AA8499B-7B18-4021-9CE8-B00A6FF3809D@earthlink.net> <42D6CE64.7070901@aromabar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Dockstader Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:05:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:06:12 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 14, 2005, at 1:43 PM, blixton wrote: > David Coffin wrote: > > >> Assume you=92ve got the Starkland CDs? IF not, the liner notes are =20= >> interesting, if brief; let me know; I=92ll quote =91em to-ya. >> >> > I haven't. quote away if it isn't too much trouble. ( I have =20 > listened to an interivew of him on his site, though) You mean, here?: http://dockstader.info/compositions.php?page=3D1 The text there is taken right out of the CD liner notes, so you know =20 what I know. > > >> There are some Reaktor ensembles that can make very Dock-like =20 >> sounds, but you=92re probably going for that =94vintage/analog=94 =20= >> thing, right? >> >> > Yes. vintage/analog > > Simple: Run Reaktor through some tube compressors and a Pultec EQ, =20 then out to a McIntosh MC275+pre into a couple of Klipsch =20 speakers...tho this: (http://www.impamp.com/) might substitute for =20 the MC275:-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 14 23:01:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F37423BF26; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 14 Jul 2005 23:01:54 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:01:54 -0500 Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music X-Originating-Ip: 69.110.56.8 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050714230154.851FB86B10@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-w5GDD.A.4fC.m7u1CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Double ditto on the "maybe know" As for seeing this : : And seeing a square.=20=20 That may indeed be hardwired. However, I would argue that education, train= ing, conditioning or any number of other factors can cause=20 you to look at those four dots and see not ONLY a square but any number of = other objects or abstract ideas as well. To relate that to music: When presented with a looped bar of four evenly s= paced notes that fades up from 0db to playing level, where do=20 you start playing? Where is the one? Are the beats you hear the 1,2,3 & 4= quarter notes? Or are they the "ands" between the quarter=20 notes? Most western musicians would hear 4 quarter notes (western software= ), but there is nothing to stop one from playing over this=20 pattern in any time signature, or even eschewing a time signature altogethe= r. So yeah, I agree that I see a square too. But what ELSE do you see? Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:18:57 -0700 (PDT) >=20 > Was the "maybe know" slip on purpose? If so NICE, if > not... NICE! ;) >=20 > Anyway, this idea of "gestalt" is very commonly > accepted in the world of visual arts and design, so I > think it's certain that it translates to music. > Humans look for patterns. There's no doubt in my > mind. Visual, aural... in everything. Does it have > anything to do with the construction of our headmeat? > Of course it does. We're software running on > dedicated hardware all made by the same manufacturer. > I feel that in our case new apps loaded actually have > the ability to alter our hardware... within reason. > No amount of culture or education is going to make me > look at this >=20 > : : >=20 > and not "see" a square although no lines are present. > That type of thing is in our core program, IMO, and > that's why music so easily crosses cultural boundaries > like no other form of communication. I can sit and > listen to non lyrical music from Bulgaria or Bali or > Boston and still "get it." >=20 > --- "loop.pool" wrote: >=20 > It is an interesting, the Jungian notion of > synchronicity: I think it is > a particularly human perception. Because, according > to the > binary/synaptic model of human perception, we try to > see patterning in our attempts to survive and live in > the world and because we imbue those patterns with > significance, > we have a tendency to align percieved patterns > together and they line up with each other (the Wizard > of Oz and Pink Floyd's "The > Wall".................Ted and Jeff's improvisations > with the premade > video animations of David Tristram from the other > evening). Does it mean that outside of human > perception that there is a connection between the two. >=20 > Maybe yes, maybe know. --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 01:07:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38A5F3BF40; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:15:38 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Dockstader To: Message-id: <000e01c588da$b6b217a0$64cda344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <42D6C561.10000@aromabar.com> <7AA8499B-7B18-4021-9CE8-B00A6FF3809D@earthlink.net> <42D6CE64.7070901@aromabar.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:07:06 +0000 (UTC) fascinating! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Coffin" To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Dockstader On Jul 14, 2005, at 1:43 PM, blixton wrote: > David Coffin wrote: > > >> Assume you’ve got the Starkland CDs? IF not, the liner notes are >> interesting, if brief; let me know; I’ll quote ‘em to-ya. >> >> > I haven't. quote away if it isn't too much trouble. ( I have > listened to an interivew of him on his site, though) You mean, here?: http://dockstader.info/compositions.php?page=1 The text there is taken right out of the CD liner notes, so you know what I know. > > >> There are some Reaktor ensembles that can make very Dock-like >> sounds, but you’re probably going for that ”vintage/analog” >> thing, right? >> >> > Yes. vintage/analog > > Simple: Run Reaktor through some tube compressors and a Pultec EQ, then out to a McIntosh MC275+pre into a couple of Klipsch speakers...tho this: (http://www.impamp.com/) might substitute for the MC275:-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 01:25:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CB153BF47; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42D710BF.1070603@aromabar.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:26:23 -0400 From: blixton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dockstader References: <42D6C561.10000@aromabar.com> <7AA8499B-7B18-4021-9CE8-B00A6FF3809D@earthlink.net> <42D6CE64.7070901@aromabar.com> <000e01c588da$b6b217a0$64cda344@hppav> In-Reply-To: <000e01c588da$b6b217a0$64cda344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:25:03 +0000 (UTC) I don't have reaktor. I have a couple real analogue synths and I was thinking of getting a korg stage echo, maybe a binson echo or an ibanez analogue delay. I don't know. Then recording to reel. David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >Simple: Run Reaktor through some tube compressors and a Pultec EQ, >then out to a McIntosh MC275+pre into a couple of Klipsch >speakers...tho this: (http://www.impamp.com/) might substitute for >the MC275:-) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 01:46:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9A523BF40; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,291,1115006400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1300297434:sNHT39600308" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <42D710BF.1070603@aromabar.com> References: <42D6C561.10000@aromabar.com> <7AA8499B-7B18-4021-9CE8-B00A6FF3809D@earthlink.net> <42D6CE64.7070901@aromabar.com> <000e01c588da$b6b217a0$64cda344@hppav> <42D710BF.1070603@aromabar.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--796676284 Message-Id: <2E51CF92-DE81-4A13-A724-F4D876D1FD55@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Dockstader Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:45:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:46:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--796676284 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Be sure to post some mp3s! ;-) dc On Jul 14, 2005, at 6:26 PM, blixton wrote: > I don't have reaktor. I have a couple real analogue synths > and I was thinking of getting a korg stage echo, maybe a binson > echo or an ibanez analogue delay. I don't know. > Then recording to reel. --Apple-Mail-1--796676284 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Be sure to post some mp3s! = ;-)
dc

On Jul 14, 2005, at 6:26 PM, blixton = wrote:

I = don't have reaktor. I have a couple real analogue synths

and I was thinking of = getting a korg stage echo,=A0 = maybe a binson echo or an ibanez analogue delay. I don't = know.

Then recording to reel.

=

= --Apple-Mail-1--796676284-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 03:38:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AED863BF49; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:38:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RGE3QMlc2LOaD7QogCJ+LE/g0urmqUS0lH8Lq6Ui1J0/QXzwGQnBs5d+fhtokVK2UxFoQxybgtl5FQg4ThUrZUWsqoz6IQdPHbea7whfQRS8rgC1qufHDn3NdqWVZ32vBN4VJ9thkwh5aWBbd8l6AEiGaLjc74/hj+U4s70wZL0= ; Message-ID: <20050715033632.32903.qmail@web30414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: t harris Subject: Re: JamMan Wanted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <153e5b22cf9a6fb5f3d43c49583082eb@cableaz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-137861042-1121398592=:32901" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:38:50 +0000 (UTC) --0-137861042-1121398592=:32901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit still looking? i got what you need! tim rds8000 wrote: Hello - I'm looking for a 32 sec Lexicon JamMan. Must be fully operational. Cosmetic aren't that important. Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-137861042-1121398592=:32901 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-137861042-1121398592=:32901-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 08:27:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 583343BF73; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PnG1EMCbs9VybGtVY4+xqUEFx6B5W5iXJnaF/q4lrU5FZjnKGkF4ebsAJMctHUcbjk/nwGajrbY/i+Wvcnlxg0Urv5cKo7KMlIbMlDOzUuuBKeT6LtSQsWUZz9w1bZG3kNafVX6aC9pymPsYEH13P3E8XB4bhehjqgvJsEViLCU= ; Message-ID: <20050715082704.74493.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:27:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: AW: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001101c58898$f07393c0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:27:07 +0000 (UTC) ;-))))))) Grüsse Luis --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > excatly! Now imagine an alien which is about as tall > as our universe > (about the same relationship as a proton in relation > to us). Suppose > this alien has built a device which somehow allows > him to measure the > speed of cars. He won't see the persons in the car, > much less the ticket > they might receive by mail. And he is only able to > observe cars on > highways. So this scientist alien takes his > measurements and concludes > that in specific areas, most of his cars (which he > calls "electrons" for > some reason) move at a speed of 55mph, some go > slightly slower, some a > bit faster. With a certain propability they might > even stop, strangely, > this propability is decreasing slightly (as > electron-builders have > increased their quality level). Now, isn't it > possible that electrons > only exist at certain energy levels only because > they get a ticket if > they don't? > > ;-) Rainer > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Juli 2005 02:45 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: AW: zen and the fluent music > > > which is... > because you get a ticket? > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > I don't see the Heisenberg influence here at all. > It > > seems like taking > > Einstein's laws to explain why cars do not drive > > faster than 55 or 65 > > mph on American highways... > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > > Gesendet: Freitag, 12. August 2005 04:21 > > An: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > > Betreff: zen and the fluent music > > > > > > My own intellectual mentor, the late Gregory > > Bateson, said that because > > of > > the inherent binary neurophysiology > > of the human brain and because of the Heisenberg > > Uncertainty Principle > > that human beings are doomed to create causal maps > > of reality with our > > perceptions. > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 12:59:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FD5B3BF83; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050715134513.02e75220@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:55:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI In-Reply-To: <20050714002550.7E0773BFC7@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050714002550.7E0773BFC7@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:59:46 +0000 (UTC) At 01:25 14/07/05, you wrote: >Can anyone point me to a primer on if, and how=20 >to change parameters on the EDP via MIDI? I think it can be done by sysex, ...but you won't be doing that with the FCB1010 ;-( Easier to program some presets, which the FCB will be able to conjure up= with prog change messages. > Rick has me experimenting with Insert=3DSUB with=20 > quantize set at 8th notes, which generates some=20 > cool effects, but normally when I play I want=20 > quantize set to OFF. Can I send a MIDI signal=20 > to the EDP to change quantize to 8th notes,=20 > perform the Insert magic, and then turn the=20 > quantize back to OFF? I suppose this will take=20 > three button pushes on my FCB and consequently=20 > take up three more buttons on the unit=85. >I suppose I could create a preset on the EDPs=20 >with these Quantize settings, and select that=20 >with a program change, but I was hoping to avoid the work of setting that= up. you wanna be no. 1 experimenter? try this, program your FCB to also send prog change on the button presses. so the button for "Insert=3DSUB" also send the prog change for the preset= with Quant=3D8th ..and all the others have prog change for the preset with Quant=3DOFF Now, if the FCB1010 sends prog change before noteOn (and I'm pretty sure it does) you're in with a chance that you get exactly what you want without any more buttons used up. ...no guarantees though, I don't know if the EDP will respond as hoped. andy butler >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 13:02:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B70E13BF8B; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5893D.64129ECE" Subject: Controlling EDP Feedback with FCB Expression Pedal Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:02:00 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FABE4@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Controlling EDP Feedback with FCB Expression Pedal thread-index: AcWJPWOLjQw8EXDaT2uL1ctKzCBANA== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2005 13:02:01.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[645BDF00:01C5893D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:02:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5893D.64129ECE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C5893D.64129ECE" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C5893D.64129ECE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is anyone controlling EDP Feedback with the FCB Expression pedal? I tried, setting the feedback control number to 1 in the EDP control panel, and also setting the expression pedal A of the FCB to 1, but it controls the Mix instead, which is rather interesting, but not what I was expecting. I noticed the manual says that you can control Feedback with a continuous controller...not Expression pedal. ...just wondering.=20 Kris ------_=_NextPart_002_01C5893D.64129ECE Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Controlling EDP Feedback with FCB Expression Pedal

Is anyone controlling EDP Feedback with = the FCB Expression pedal? I tried, setting the feedback control number = to 1 in the EDP control panel, and also setting the expression pedal A = of the FCB to 1, but it controls the Mix instead, which is rather = interesting, but not what I was expecting. I noticed the manual says = that you can control Feedback with a continuous controller…not = Expression pedal.

…just wondering.

Kris

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You're scaring me, man... > try this, >program your FCB to also send prog change on the button presses. > so the button for "Insert=3DSUB" also send the prog change for the preset with Quant=3D8th ..and all the others have prog change for the preset with Quant=3DOFF >Now, if the FCB1010 sends prog change before noteOn (and I'm pretty sure it does) you're in with a chance that you get exactly what you want without any more buttons used up. >...no guarantees though, I don't know if the EDP will respond as hoped. I may give it a try...although now, it is quicker for me to put some preset program changes in my second bank of my FCB. I can quickly go back and forth between bank 2 to change a preset, and Bank 1 to do my normal note send looping stuff. Heck, using the EDP control panel isn't that painful for changing a preset.. Kris >andy butler >>Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 13:09:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B3D03BF85; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1121432947!20817358!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A296@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Dockstader Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:11:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5893E.A587DF50" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:09:11 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. 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well well..... gotham studios again. I'm thinking of a pi= lgrimage- anyone know if the place is still there?

gotham studios cropped up a few weeks ago when someone me= ntioned the eltro/tempophon tape-based pitch shifter; a kind correspondent = on another list sent me jpegs of the thing's sales brochure...

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5893E.A587DF50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 14:16:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 274733BF7C; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FABE6@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FABE6@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <10EB20A6-925C-422D-A2E1-F44DB073A495@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:16:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:16:32 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 15, 2005, at 15:07, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Heck, using the EDP control panel isn't > that painful for changing a preset.. What guitar scales can you play while manipulating the EDP front =20 panel? ;-) On Jul 15, 2005, at 15:02, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Is anyone controlling EDP Feedback with the FCB Expression pedal? Yes. > I tried, setting the feedback control number to 1 That's the same parameter sent by the modulation wheel on any synth. =20 Is that why you used no 1? But cc no 1 should do just fine. > in the EDP control panel, and also setting the expression pedal A =20 > of the FCB to 1, but it controls the Mix instead, Never heard of a MIDI cc parameter for "mix". ...? > which is rather interesting, but not what I was expecting. I =20 > noticed the manual says that you can control Feedback with a =20 > continuous controller=85not Expression pedal. Any expression pedal is "continuous" in that it does a sweeping =20 through all values. There is also the MIDI data type called =20 "continuous data". Typically MIDI cc 1 is used by mod a mod wheel, =20 midi cc 10 for pan, midi cc 7 for volume etc etc. For my EDP I choose =20= midi cc 30 because I could not think about any other common function =20 using that cc number. Then I set the EDP front panel "MIDI / =20 FeedBkCont" to "30". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 14:43:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F40F3BF72; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oY/cVx7x3560zsjjg+QxmLNtfpUP3N7bfblDIASWD6fis0IXp6rtKaShno+BQph6E4IEbZeB+O/envzGW+9XnbjKm2LkzTsxPmhB+7UI5hr7NP5M7ruVFIbIswubVm0Kb+C61QUwNpqmYC6z3EtCusnWsOfaEvu813yhnUbaOv8= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:43:08 -0400 From: "edward ." Reply-To: "edward ." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex prices Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:43:11 +0000 (UTC) What retailer has the best prices on blackface/Loop IV echoplexes these day= s? Musicians Friend? Recommendations greatly appreciated. Thanks! e* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 14:59:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55AB3BEFC; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Erland Subject: Electrix Repeater MKII August? Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:58:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps we have to wait longer than until sometime this month. http://www.midi-classics.com/h/hE30887.htm ----------------------------------------------------- erland www.erlandonline.com www.myspace.com/erland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 15:35:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1758C3BF51; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:35:46 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FAC50@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Changing EDP Parameters via MIDI thread-index: AcWJR87/T9IuPqqrRB68gRowGKArSwACqoJw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2005 15:35:50.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0F5B5D0:01C58952] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:35:56 +0000 (UTC) =20 >> What guitar scales can you play while manipulating the EDP front panel? ;-) Good one! It's those scales that miraculously proliferate on their own and allow me to wander off and use the rest room, take a nap, eat a snack, etc. Don't they call those up-scales? :) On Jul 15, 2005, at 15:02, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Is anyone controlling EDP Feedback with the FCB Expression pedal? >> For my EDP I choose midi cc 30 because I could not think about any other common function using that cc number. Then I set the EDP front panel "MIDI / FeedBkCont" to "30". Bingo. I'll try this. Thanks.=20 Kris Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 15:42:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E1943BF77; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Echoplex prices Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:42:25 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FAC5B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Echoplex prices thread-index: AcWJS5SaAPzKomsqTK6vx6bPdZgVAgAB1MBw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2005 15:42:29.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEA8FF80:01C58953] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Check this out: http://www.google.com/froogle?q=3DGibson+Echoplex I find Google's Froogle option to be the greatest thing since sliced bread lately....has saved me a lot of money. Notice how the prices are so similar in this case...looks like they have a tight grip on the cost of these wonder boxes, sort of like those Bose CD/Radios that ALWAYS for for $500 US regardless of what ad you see. Incidentally, I bought my two EDPs through Musician's Friend for $700, and the timing was perfect, because they raised the price to $1000 about a month later. I ordered them even before they were ready to ship.=20 Kris -----Original Message----- From: edward . [mailto:datecrepe@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex prices What retailer has the best prices on blackface/Loop IV echoplexes these days? Musicians Friend? Recommendations greatly appreciated. Thanks! e* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 16:53:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A4613BF78; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5895D.7EC0DBBE" Subject: Looping / FreeWheeling Article in Linux Journal Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:51:49 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FAC98@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looping / FreeWheeling Article in Linux Journal thread-index: AcWJXX5IcuPVfyiRQk6/iXveIap/sw== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2005 16:51:50.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EE26FE0:01C5895D] Resent-Message-ID: <-cUl9C.A.FKD.lo-1CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:53:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5895D.7EC0DBBE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI http://www.linuxjournal.com/comment/reply/8445 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5895D.7EC0DBBE Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looping / FreeWheeling Article in Linux Journal

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5895D.7EC0DBBE-- From MercedesHines@dissolubility.com Fri Jul 15 17:42:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from catv-50625952.catv.broadband.hu (catv-50625952.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.89.82]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E3D2E3BF2D for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from g[3 Message-Id: <20050715174215.E3D2E3BF2D@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:42:15 +0000 (UTC) From: MercedesHines@dissolubility.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 18:41:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44D043BF51; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ab01c5896c$da3c37e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: maybe yes, maybe know Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:41:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Mark asked: "Was the "maybe know" slip on purpose? If so NICE, if not... NICE! ;)" Funny, but that was a brain fart but one I liked so much that I put it into my folder that I save of potential song titles. Glad you liked it too. ;-) rick. ps so nice that you are back participating at L.D. again, Mark. You always have interesting things to say. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 18:44:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E7E93BF4A; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IoE6M62xh5DrsG2uYZCEYE/iQyUhHXWlsQzKmwLc+/Vd/B4dbrNL7szOIXR1Tksx+H+V2uz5cFH4qAJWrcDyVQ1RYLSGq/UIYAACpTA2Un8TLSj8/mP95UmjdRKolkdsaXAuEMDxR96A7oGfM/mPnfrlKObk5+DXPFX2Wt9LKs8= Message-ID: <64b81a7805071511433256407b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:43:41 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping / FreeWheeling Article in Linux Journal In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FAC98@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FAC98@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the link...very apropos to what I'm currently doing. Note that next month the author will be covering SuperLooper. Very cool. :) On 7/15/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > =20 >=20 > FYI=20 >=20 > http://www.linuxjournal.com/comment/reply/8445 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 18:47:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 372313BF54; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003901c5896d$b583c700$2b4f5651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <00ab01c5896c$da3c37e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: maybe yes, maybe know Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:47:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi all Maybe a new loopers delight t-shirt logo?: "Maybe yes, maybe know" Thoughts? Dan www.danmayfield.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 7:41 PM Subject: maybe yes, maybe know > Mark asked: > > "Was the "maybe know" slip on purpose? If so NICE, if > not... NICE! ;)" > > Funny, but that was a brain fart but one I liked so much that I put it > into my folder that I save of > potential song titles. Glad you liked it too. ;-) > > rick. > > ps so nice that you are back participating at L.D. again, Mark. You > always have interesting things to say. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 19:55:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD3A33BF3A; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EuD7nucbhB8TV0YxVTHjKKHKzI/Ii5qaqxbBJh3cFvh57Kc5J90sBT9DPlosbu14ha7TqzZqpeFf85qd1E4dXjF0lCBaxKz6JUJ6BZB7pXZyjpvtZnxZ/sm3pVg3iz9iWuNfhKI9njdEh8/qDLprJSowywWqgA2Xa3WOwssFotg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:55:57 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: maybe yes, maybe know In-Reply-To: <003901c5896d$b583c700$2b4f5651@homemain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ab01c5896c$da3c37e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <003901c5896d$b583c700$2b4f5651@homemain> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:55:58 +0000 (UTC) If yes how about the return of Feedback: 100% on the back :) On 7/15/05, Dan Mayfield wrote: > Hi all >=20 > Maybe a new loopers delight t-shirt logo?: >=20 > "Maybe yes, maybe know" >=20 > Thoughts? >=20 > Dan > www.danmayfield.com >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 7:41 PM > Subject: maybe yes, maybe know >=20 >=20 > > Mark asked: > > > > "Was the "maybe know" slip on purpose? If so NICE, if > > not... NICE! ;)" > > > > Funny, but that was a brain fart but one I liked so much that I put it > > into my folder that I save of > > potential song titles. Glad you liked it too. ;-) > > > > rick. > > > > ps so nice that you are back participating at L.D. again, Mark. You > > always have interesting things to say. > > > > >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 20:10:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70DD03BF38; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42D8187E.30306@aromabar.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:11:42 -0400 From: blixton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater MKII August? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:10:19 +0000 (UTC) How is the sound on the new Electrix Repeater? Might they increase the sampling rate? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 20:31:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D65DF3BF3B; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6X9geUr/YgYOOTBY9dP07nyz4vBGWt2xcRfRCZTOIQhGcoz5n0eaH4C4z2Kbq2HMAqIipF3iRsqEnXpNF+0itFFUPkcCVL2yhixEhmxdEZlVSuHTfB+7BA643MDj2CKEnx8Jf+VAmbC/7O6t+qUMlbJ5n94YCy8ddrLJ137hmOU= ; Message-ID: <20050715203134.2838.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:31:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: maybe yes, maybe know To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I was just noticing that my vintage 2001 LD shirt (with the feedback back) is getting softer and softer, as described on Seinfeld, reaching the zenith of comfort immediately prior to its disintegration. And my handpainted 1999 LD prototype shirt ('Unsubscribe!' over a moebius strip) has a bunch of little holes in it, although I continue to wear it with pride. -t- --- Joey wrote: > If yes how about the return of Feedback: 100% on the > back :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 21:12:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66CF23BF2A; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:13:13 -0800 Subject: Re: maybe yes, maybe know From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050715203134.2838.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:12:29 +0000 (UTC) which 'seinfeld' episode was that if anyone knows? it was just a passing comment about the greatness of t-shirts until that certain point... love my loopersdelight t-shirts-wear them w/ pride! even gave one right off my back to my international hoamee berhnard at last year-what happened to this year-did i miss an announcement? staninsanfran > Yeah, I was just noticing that my vintage 2001 LD > shirt (with the feedback back) is getting softer and > softer, as described on Seinfeld, reaching the zenith > of comfort immediately prior to its disintegration. > And my handpainted 1999 LD prototype shirt > ('Unsubscribe!' over a moebius strip) has a bunch of > little holes in it, although I continue to wear it > with pride. > > -t- > > --- Joey wrote: > >> If yes how about the return of Feedback: 100% on the >> back :) > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 21:31:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F24C83BF2B; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 04:31:26 +0700 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater MKII August? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.7-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:31:29 +0000 (UTC) I ordered from Full Compass, and they said it'd be at least September. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 21:41:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF5BF3BF2B; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:41:41 -0600 Message-Id: <200507152141.j6FLffS17477@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater MKII August? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Did you notice the prices on the rest of their line have dropped significantly? A new Mo-FX for $200? I know they blew them out for $100 but I assumed that was a major loss for them. Did they find a manufacturing source that was that much cheaper or were they charging that much over costs before. Kevin > > > I ordered from Full Compass, and they said it'd be at least September. > > Jeff > > How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 15 23:38:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDAFF3BF28; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=D7RsMLM+yYvzgm1b8MwpWragodti/azleaUU1src55JEYh6iPSRHJ7Jma+MrLm+PoE6q9L3gPpclQyMwpEO2qqPPTLMu5byYgbW3GGWahY7iBSrsMM3+GETuZMyxgh4AxBFaIBgawitXyxV3/KpEmSsR46EOcV1QNhEaBMlJbis= ; Message-ID: <20050715233855.45896.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:38:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: maybe yes, maybe know To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:38:57 +0000 (UTC) --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > which 'seinfeld' episode was that if anyone knows? 'Twas 'The Marine Biologist', right at the beginning. Why, here's the script!: -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 01:40:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71D843BF3C; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=eZkfWuqniqnLKYIWSH0+xlWSrZqrVuH32WrTMRycj/Gpb4GFn1BEZfokvqdbKNiW; Message-ID: <410-22005761614615160@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bob Moog ill Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:46:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b0230a8347d0eddeffaadbc8874cc473350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.148.208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Emile, for passing on the tough news, but the link got me nowhere... can anyone provide me with a capsule summary? ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Lee Barnes > To: > Date: 7/13/2005 11:58:31 PM > Subject: Re: Bob Moog ill > > Dear Emile, > > Damn, thanks for posting this to the group! Dr. Moog was a goodly > portion of what got me into electronica in the first place, Tangerine > Dream, Yes, and (early) Genesis were the main influences, early on. We > can only hope that he continues with the gentle response to the > radiation treatments. > > > Lee > On Jul 13, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I thought some of you would be > > interested. It will mark the end of an era. > > > >> > >> > >> http://www.caringbridge.com/cb/inputSiteName.do? > >> method=search&siteName=bobmo > >> og > >> > > > > -- > > > > "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two > > opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the > > ability to function." > > > > F. Scott Fitzgerald > > > > Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at > > http://www.foryourhead.com > > > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 03:10:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 408FF3BF47; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: Bob Moog ill Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:15:16 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <006f01c589b4$96ae4890$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <410-22005761614615160@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Try this link - then type in "bobmoog" http://www.caringbridge.com/cb/visitAPage.do Also - Thanks Emile. Dr. Moog is an icon to so many electronic musicians, like myself. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 06:04:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 066433BF41; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B7hI+v2WZuQ86XxnMrx6CvUBa6Op6+drAZ3HMbftiziSOqdk18OC+dEuIh59eg0zT9hTy3Lzj/rXjkxkLtn2o5+X0/W0DXwvpa53jLbkOD6KMkROx2+FUvvKJ32BtlekGWbOYeASIlf45qvIa9buPr1StCGk9y7c2HK1uVqYbjM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 02:04:40 -0400 From: "edward ." Reply-To: "edward ." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater MKII August? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <3sV5qB.A.kfG.7NK2CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:04:44 +0000 (UTC) On 7/15/05, Erland wrote: > Perhaps we have to wait longer than until sometime this month. >=20 > http://www.midi-classics.com/h/hE30887.htm >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------- >=20 > erland >=20 > www.erlandonline.com > www.myspace.com/erland >=20 >=20 >=20 The mkII marketing copy is SO vague: "More expressive loop creation and control, better support for both ambient and beat-driven looping, enhanced front panel control and enriched MIDI implementation" Does this mean that they'll finally release a 1.2 software update? cheers.. e* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 06:41:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C60F3BF4C; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:41:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 02:45:39 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Bob Moog To: Message-id: <000901c589d1$fb15b080$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <42D6C561.10000@aromabar.com> <7AA8499B-7B18-4021-9CE8-B00A6FF3809D@earthlink.net> <42D6CE64.7070901@aromabar.com> <000e01c588da$b6b217a0$64cda344@hppav> <42D710BF.1070603@aromabar.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:41:06 +0000 (UTC) I own no Moog equipment, yet all the eqiupment I own is, in some ways, indebted to Bob Moog's work. Influencial? I'll say. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 07:02:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE69E3BF54; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 07:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: looping t-shirt Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:02:15 +0200 Message-ID: <016401c589d4$4fbdad70$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: <4lR-9.A.-lH.IEL2CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 07:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi Stan! I was just about to grab the opportunity to thank you for that t-shirt! = It's holding up great! Many thanks! Your international hoamee Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Samstag, 16. Juli 2005 00:13 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: maybe yes, maybe know >=20 > which 'seinfeld' episode was that if anyone knows? > it was just a passing comment about the greatness of t-shirts until = that > certain point... > love my loopersdelight t-shirts-wear them w/ pride! > even gave one right off my back to my international hoamee berhnard at > last year-what happened to this year-did i miss an > announcement? > staninsanfran >=20 > > Yeah, I was just noticing that my vintage 2001 LD > > shirt (with the feedback back) is getting softer and > > softer, as described on Seinfeld, reaching the zenith > > of comfort immediately prior to its disintegration. > > And my handpainted 1999 LD prototype shirt > > ('Unsubscribe!' over a moebius strip) has a bunch of > > little holes in it, although I continue to wear it > > with pride. > > > > -t- > > > > --- Joey wrote: > > > >> If yes how about the return of Feedback: 100% on the > >> back :) > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 09:45:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FC033BF44; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007c01c589eb$09f331e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: in praise of looping with the Electrix Mo-FX Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 02:45:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Kevin wrote: "Did you notice the prices on the rest of their line have dropped significantly? A new Mo-FX for $200? I know they blew them out for $100 but I assumed that was a major loss for them. Did they find a manufacturing source that was that much cheaper or were they charging that much over costs before. " I don't know for sure but I always thought they were overpriced originally so it's nice that they are coming back at a really reasonable price for how cool they are. I have to say that the Mo-FX and the Filter Factory are the hippest damn boxes for rhythmic processing in groove music. All the time based DSP types (digital delay, tremelo, filtering, LFO, etc.) are linked with midi but the hippest feature is that they are tied to a big, drum machine styled heavy duty momentary switch. As a drummer I love to 'play' the effects (particularly effective with square wave tremelos, digital delays and radical EQ filtering). If the effect is turned on, the momentary switch kills it momentarily with a quick tap or you can hold it down to keep the effect off If the effect is turned off, then the momentary switch turns the effect on. I love that you can tie you can use your loops in a looper that spits out midi to drive your effects. One of the things I love to do is to turn ON a telephone styled narrow bandwidth styled filter on a drum loop during a 'breakdown' section of a song. Then I can play the effect like a drummer, taking the filter off with each tap so that the full bandwidth Drum Beat comes on. Since it is full bandwidth, the effect can be enormous and I can single out individual drum hits in the rhythm and then turn the effect off right on the downbeat of the next section...............very funky. The individual effects of the Mo-Fx are fairly ordinary but this one thing that it does is just amazing. They even have a distortion section that you can turn on an off which is really great with square wave tremelo processing for rhythmic effects. I love that those two units!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 09:47:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3C3B3BF4B; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050716095916.02d549c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:42:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Midi Control EDp In-Reply-To: <20050716070233.335433BF47@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050716070233.335433BF47@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:47:27 +0000 (UTC) At 08:02 16/07/05, you wrote: > > you wanna be no. 1 experimenter? > >You're scaring me, man... aw c'mon > > try this, > > >program your FCB to also send prog change on the button presses. > > > so the button for "Insert=SUB" also send the prog change for the >preset with Quant=8th ..and all the others have prog change for the >preset with Quant=OFF > > >Now, if the FCB1010 sends prog change before noteOn (and I'm pretty >sure it does) you're in with a chance that you get exactly what you want >without any more buttons used up. > >...no guarantees though, I don't know if the EDP will respond as hoped. tried it here, and it seems to all work fine. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 15:01:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A41EC3BF53; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: in praise of looping with the Electrix Mo-FX Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:03:04 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c58a17$784adc20$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <007c01c589eb$09f331e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:01:45 +0000 (UTC) I still have the repeater (can't get rid of it it seems ;) and also used to own a filter factory. What I always hated about the Electrix boxes is that they take two HU, most of the time for an effect I wouldn't even donate half a rackspace for. Like take the filter factory, the mofx and the (don't remember the name of the vocoder), taking up a total of six rack spaces, and I can do what they do (and more) with a one HU nord modular G2 engine. I understand that it's also caused by the fact that they have these dual function rackmount-plus-tabletop design, but for me, it's just not enough processing power for the real estate taken up by them. I'd even think it would be possible to put the Repeater's MMI into one rackspace. I've never actually made any tech drawings, but on the other hand it is the way it is...but I'm not able to justify two HU for these other boxes. (Just rebuilt my live loop setup, consisting mainly of a 8 HU angled rack, two level keyboard stand, auxiliary stand and some things on the floor...boy am I happy! This is so much fun playing loop stuff!) -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 16. Juli 2005 11:45 An: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Betreff: in praise of looping with the Electrix Mo-FX Kevin wrote: "Did you notice the prices on the rest of their line have dropped significantly? A new Mo-FX for $200? I know they blew them out for $100 but I assumed that was a major loss for them. Did they find a manufacturing source that was that much cheaper or were they charging that much over costs before. " I don't know for sure but I always thought they were overpriced originally=20 so it's nice that they are coming back at a really reasonable price for how cool they are. I have to say that the Mo-FX and the Filter Factory are the hippest damn boxes for rhythmic processing in groove music. All the time based DSP types=20 (digital delay, tremelo, filtering, LFO, etc.) are linked with midi but the hippest feature is that=20 they are tied to a big, drum machine styled heavy duty momentary switch. As a drummer I love to 'play' the effects (particularly effective with=20 square wave tremelos, digital delays and radical EQ filtering). If the effect is turned on, the momentary switch kills it momentarily with=20 a quick tap or you can hold it down to keep the effect off If the effect is turned off, then the momentary switch turns the effect on. I love that you can tie you can use your loops in a looper that spits out=20 midi to drive your effects. One of the things I love to do is to turn ON a telephone styled narrow=20 bandwidth styled filter on a drum loop during a 'breakdown' section of a song. Then I can play the effect like a=20 drummer, taking the filter off with each tap so that the full bandwidth Drum Beat comes on. Since it is full bandwidth, the effect can be enormous and I can single out individual drum hits in the rhythm and then turn the effect off right on the=20 downbeat of the next section...............very funky. The individual effects of the Mo-Fx are fairly ordinary but this one thing=20 that it does is just amazing. They even have a distortion section that you can turn on an off which is really great with square wave tremelo processing for rhythmic effects. I love that those two units!!!!=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 16:36:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB81D3BF54; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hYqszmXbXzAG8LeQD3OAGOA/f5l36otRM6iArfdCEh7y/RzccmR45cCzC/IJ0SkMd069lkb3z+DkFmuIID5hXaCWR74bF2KnahynTNFuW0nr7GoYyJHgwrwnCN637UtKZcGkiiT7gKG5JrfqBt+mkR8tlFw26m5TT1XOYJRu3O8= ; Message-ID: <20050716163601.75177.qmail@web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:36:00 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: just what the doctor ordered To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-306883850-1121531760=:75110" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7owT3D.A.NSD.zdT2CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:36:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-306883850-1121531760=:75110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit wow a looping comunity!im stoked!!! --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-306883850-1121531760=:75110 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-306883850-1121531760=:75110-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 16:38:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AC393BF54; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: 0% X-Terra-Hash: 00feea584e94d15fa473d1f197b02d90 Received-SPF: none (soluezi.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.13 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.176.10.13; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[80.242.202.242]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A163@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A163@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:37:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1jm8BB.A.xaD.ofT2CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:38:01 +0000 (UTC) >"[Snip]... Only most musicians are hardly able to play like that and >claim that the public wants some ABACA... structure... probably a >reminder of old dance styles and polite forms... and simply a help for >the memory... easy composing... ?" > >Probably true, though it strikes me as odd based on how my brain works >with music. I actually find it easier to compose or perform >non-repetitive free improv, rather than music with some structure. >Building structure based on rules seems like a lot of work! maybe you got me wrong here: a repetitive base certainly makes improvisation easier because you know beforehand what will happen, to some degree. in Brasil and probably other "hot" cultures, also rock bands, a huge part of the performances are just in between composition and improvisation: the musicians know the basic melody and rhythm of a song and improvise its structure. This could hardly work without the ABA... kind of tradition. to create a composition, repetition also helps. sure its more work than an improvisation, but try to remember a composition that never repeats! >The structure usually becomes a psychological inhibitor for me, stifling >creativity and freedom of expression. In fact, I feel more at ease with >myself as a musician and in tune with the flow of things when I pick up >my guitar, randomly pick a note on the fret board, and start playing as >if I were having a conversation or telling a story to someone....nothing >really repeats...mostly notes... maybe an occasional dyad or triad to >make a point, etc. It all depends on what you want to say. I like that >looping that sort of thing for about 2 minutes, then having a >conversation with myself in parallel....complementing the first version >of the story with a parallel version, which ends up creating a whole new >story. yes, thats of the kind I am talking about. It seems to me that for most musicians this is somehow "to easy" to do, so they dont see any value. but its what a huge part of the TV watchers are looking for: talk shows where they can see any kind of people improvise express spontaneously. So why would they not be able to follow your talking? it becomes a lot more interesting if two or more musicians talk together and sometimes coincide marvelously and sometimes have to deal with clashes. As Keith Jarret is a genious in interpretation, he also filled the operas with his free improvisations, but if somebody only plays such impros, he has a hard time to get jobs, right? Music producers say there is no public for this. When we play for them, they are fascinated. But they want to have granted what they buy and sell: a song that people can remember and a demo that contains exactly what you are going to do. The "what if you have a bad day?" thing. (but what do they do if a talk show master has a bad day?) I think they just did not grab it yet... once musicians give more value to their instrumental conversation ability and the public realizes what music can be about, producers will hire us. (not that this would be the aim of this mail...) >Moreover, it doesn't surprise me that many people have an affinity >toward repetition. I don't think we can blame the human kind for this >sort of behavior. After all, nature is based on repetition (waves, >cycles, seasons, bio-rhythms, vibrations, predictability, etc), and we >are a part of nature...it makes sense to me that when we evolve in a >system that exhibits a tremendous amount of repetition that we (the >majority that is) will naturally evolve to be attracted to repetition. oh sure, I kept talking about those needs for years! Then I started to seek for the balance between the certain and the new. if you keep talking through your instrument and sometimes loop a bit of it, you easily find such a balanced sound. People like it and producers are scared. there is work to do! and yes, this is not to be against ABABCA kind of music, just to get atention for our kind - to celebrate as you put it: >Hence, we should really celebrate this diversity rather than >prescribing that the middle of the bell curve join us on one end of the >spectrum.... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 16:48:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2090C3BECD; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=C+9MkT1aOboCn8aQ11d/O/ywQG4hKZoh27J4ZJdb3o9f84WHBvWb6Cr9FLZt90NW/MmfpyOFFywnKBxfm5G5YGWWV9DkKTUHkdIp2QxwiEQYbgZ9ltUNw19v/VW3GExlwSCQwKvMC+gu1IbC23NjfsU1pzc6mTLcEg1uqQ9/zNo= ; Message-ID: <20050716164848.64673.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:48:48 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1921581728-1121532528=:62366" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:48:50 +0000 (UTC) --0-1921581728-1121532528=:62366 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well said. Matthias Grob wrote:>"[Snip]... Only most musicians are hardly able to play like that and >claim that the public wants some ABACA... structure... probably a >reminder of old dance styles and polite forms... and simply a help for >the memory... easy composing... ?" > >Probably true, though it strikes me as odd based on how my brain works >with music. I actually find it easier to compose or perform >non-repetitive free improv, rather than music with some structure. >Building structure based on rules seems like a lot of work! maybe you got me wrong here: a repetitive base certainly makes improvisation easier because you know beforehand what will happen, to some degree. in Brasil and probably other "hot" cultures, also rock bands, a huge part of the performances are just in between composition and improvisation: the musicians know the basic melody and rhythm of a song and improvise its structure. This could hardly work without the ABA... kind of tradition. to create a composition, repetition also helps. sure its more work than an improvisation, but try to remember a composition that never repeats! >The structure usually becomes a psychological inhibitor for me, stifling >creativity and freedom of expression. In fact, I feel more at ease with >myself as a musician and in tune with the flow of things when I pick up >my guitar, randomly pick a note on the fret board, and start playing as >if I were having a conversation or telling a story to someone....nothing >really repeats...mostly notes... maybe an occasional dyad or triad to >make a point, etc. It all depends on what you want to say. I like that >looping that sort of thing for about 2 minutes, then having a >conversation with myself in parallel....complementing the first version >of the story with a parallel version, which ends up creating a whole new >story. yes, thats of the kind I am talking about. It seems to me that for most musicians this is somehow "to easy" to do, so they dont see any value. but its what a huge part of the TV watchers are looking for: talk shows where they can see any kind of people improvise express spontaneously. So why would they not be able to follow your talking? it becomes a lot more interesting if two or more musicians talk together and sometimes coincide marvelously and sometimes have to deal with clashes. As Keith Jarret is a genious in interpretation, he also filled the operas with his free improvisations, but if somebody only plays such impros, he has a hard time to get jobs, right? Music producers say there is no public for this. When we play for them, they are fascinated. But they want to have granted what they buy and sell: a song that people can remember and a demo that contains exactly what you are going to do. The "what if you have a bad day?" thing. (but what do they do if a talk show master has a bad day?) I think they just did not grab it yet... once musicians give more value to their instrumental conversation ability and the public realizes what music can be about, producers will hire us. (not that this would be the aim of this mail...) >Moreover, it doesn't surprise me that many people have an affinity >toward repetition. I don't think we can blame the human kind for this >sort of behavior. After all, nature is based on repetition (waves, >cycles, seasons, bio-rhythms, vibrations, predictability, etc), and we >are a part of nature...it makes sense to me that when we evolve in a >system that exhibits a tremendous amount of repetition that we (the >majority that is) will naturally evolve to be attracted to repetition. oh sure, I kept talking about those needs for years! Then I started to seek for the balance between the certain and the new. if you keep talking through your instrument and sometimes loop a bit of it, you easily find such a balanced sound. People like it and producers are scared. there is work to do! and yes, this is not to be against ABABCA kind of music, just to get atention for our kind - to celebrate as you put it: >Hence, we should really celebrate this diversity rather than >prescribing that the middle of the bell curve join us on one end of the >spectrum.... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1921581728-1121532528=:62366 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
well said.

Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org> wrote:
>"[Snip]... Only most musicians are hardly able to play like that and
>claim that the public wants some ABACA... structure... probably a
>reminder of old dance styles and polite forms... and simply a help for
>the memory... easy composing... ?"
>
>Probably true, though it strikes me as odd based on how my brain works
>with music. I actually find it easier to compose or perform
>non-repetitive free improv, rather than music with some structure.
>Building structure based on rules seems like a lot of work!

maybe you got me wrong here:
a repetitive base certainly makes improvisation easier because you
know beforehand what will happen, to some degree.

in Brasil and probably other "hot" cultures, also rock bands, a huge
part of the performances are just in between composition and
improvisation: the musicians know the basic melody and rhythm of a
song and improvise its structure. This could hardly work without the
ABA... kind of tradition.

to create a composition, repetition also helps. sure its more work
than an improvisation, but try to remember a composition that never
repeats!

>The structure usually becomes a psychological inhibitor for me, stifling
>creativity and freedom of expression. In fact, I feel more at ease with
>myself as a musician and in tune with the flow of things when I pick up
>my guitar, randomly pick a note on the fret board, and start playing as
>if I were having a conversation or telling a story to someone....nothing
>really repeats...mostly notes... maybe an occasional dyad or triad to
>make a point, etc. It all depends on what you want to say. I like that
>looping that sort of thing for about 2 minutes, then having a
>conversation with myself in parallel....complementing the first version
>of the story with a parallel version, which ends up creating a whole new
>story.

yes, thats of the kind I am talking about. It seems to me that for
most musicians this is somehow "to easy" to do, so they dont see any
value.
but its what a huge part of the TV watchers are looking for: talk
shows where they can see any kind of people improvise express
spontaneously. So why would they not be able to follow your talking?

it becomes a lot more interesting if two or more musicians talk
together and sometimes coincide marvelously and sometimes have to
deal with clashes.

As Keith Jarret is a genious in interpretation, he also filled the
operas with his free improvisations, but if somebody only plays such
impros, he has a hard time to get jobs, right?

Music producers say there is no public for this. When we play for
them, they are fascinated. But they want to have granted what they
buy and sell: a song that people can remember and a demo that
contains exactly what you are going to do. The "what if you have a
bad day?" thing.
(but what do they do if a talk show master has a bad day?)
I think they just did not grab it yet... once musicians give more
value to their instrumental conversation ability and the public
realizes what music can be about, producers will hire us. (not that
this would be the aim of this mail...)

>Moreover, it doesn't surprise me that many people have an affinity
>toward repetition. I don't think we can blame the human kind for this
>sort of behavior. After all, nature is based on repetition (waves,
>cycles, seasons, bio-rhythms, vibrations, predictability, etc), and we
>are a part of nature...it makes sense to me that when we evolve in a
>system that exhibits a tremendous amount of repetition that we (the
>majority that is) will naturally evolve to be attracted to repetition.

oh sure, I kept talking about those needs for years!
Then I started to seek for the balance between the certain and the new.

if you keep talking through your instrument and sometimes loop a bit
of it, you easily find such a balanced sound. People like it and
producers are scared.
there is work to do!

and yes, this is not to be against ABABCA kind of music, just to get
atention for our kind - to celebrate as you put it:

>Hence, we should really celebrate this diversity rather than
>prescribing that the middle of the bell curve join us on one end of the
>spectrum....

--


---> http://Matthias.Grob.org

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1921581728-1121532528=:62366-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 17:23:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB5E23BF62; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:22:07 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADA9@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: zen and the fluent music thread-index: AcWKJL5onNb/oOt3RpCQkbJGDkgIAwAA9H6Q From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2005 17:22:09.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5990F00:01C58A2A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:23:37 +0000 (UTC) >"[Snip]... Only most musicians are hardly able to play like that and=20 >claim that the public wants some ABACA... structure... probably a=20 >reminder of old dance styles and polite forms... and simply a help for=20 >the memory... easy composing... ?" > >Probably true, though it strikes me as odd based on how my brain works=20 >with music. I actually find it easier to compose or perform=20 >non-repetitive free improv, rather than music with some structure. >Building structure based on rules seems like a lot of work! >>maybe you got me wrong here: a repetitive base certainly makes improvisation easier because you know beforehand what will happen, to some degree. Yes, I understand, and for me it is still easier to improv without this repetitive base. Because of all the jazz theory crammed in my brain, the framework ends up being a restriction. Hence total free improv, no rules, no repetive base, nothing....that is easier for me. And I quality..."for me" here. I'm not making any claims about anyone else's comfort level. Give me a repeating ii-V-I progression, and I'll burn myself out improvising over it for an hour...give me 3 hours of a blank slate, and I can create indefinitly. >>in Brasil and probably other "hot" cultures, also rock bands, a huge part of the performances are just in between composition and improvisation: the musicians know the basic melody and rhythm of a song and improvise its structure. This could hardly work without the ABA... kind of tradition. >>to create a composition, repetition also helps. sure its more work than an improvisation, but try to remember a composition that never repeats! That would be difficult indeed! I've never played, as a cover, any of my past truly improvised songs. Just sitting down and transcribing the notes and movements would be so arduous that it would render it a pointless activity for me,. >The structure usually becomes a psychological inhibitor for me,=20 >stifling creativity and freedom of expression. In fact, I feel more at=20 >ease with myself as a musician and in tune with the flow of things when >I pick up my guitar, randomly pick a note on the fret board, and start=20 >playing as if I were having a conversation or telling a story to=20 >someone....nothing really repeats...mostly notes... maybe an occasional >dyad or triad to make a point, etc. It all depends on what you want to >say. I like that looping that sort of thing for about 2 minutes, then=20 >having a conversation with myself in parallel....complementing the=20 >first version of the story with a parallel version, which ends up=20 >creating a whole new story. > >yes, thats of the kind I am talking about. It seems to me that for most musicians this is somehow "to easy" to do, so they dont see any value. but its what a huge part of the TV watchers are looking for: talk shows where they can see any kind of people improvise express spontaneously. So why would they not be able to follow your talking? Exactly! I think "too easy to do" in this context is a relative term. Because there is a difference between just sitting down and playing random notes (like the goo goo gaa gaa of an infant) and actually spontaneously creating a meaningful composition. Some people don't see the value because they and we are comparing apples and orange. Heck, if it was just sitting down and playing random notes with no taste or meaning, I could have done that when I was 12 years old, the year I started playing guitar....better yet, when I was 8 years old and just banging on the instrument for fun! :) You may be right...if the story is there, folks will follow it. But sometimes it's not the story that attacts the common listener, but the harmonic structure. I can tell a story that is completey atonal, and that is not appealing to everyone. I can also tell a story that is very "pretty" and melodic. That seems to attract a lot of people. I can see it in their faces and eyes when I play and watch them...it's like an experiment.=20 >>it becomes a lot more interesting if two or more musicians talk together and sometimes coincide marvelously and sometimes have to deal with clashes. True enough. >>As Keith Jarret is a genious in interpretation, he also filled the operas with his free improvisations, but if somebody only plays such impros, he has a hard time to get jobs, right? And Keith went on a whole tour with nothing but free improv...no sheet music or preconceptions, nothing. He just sat down and played. I have an interview of him describing this. Apparently, the crowds were a little uneasy with this approach at first, but it was apparently successful. Another example is Chick Corea and Bobby McFerrin....they also toured and did a lot of free improv that turned out quite well. Now Cecil Taylor is a different story. Whereas Chick Corea and McFerrin may appeal to the stereo-typical jazz enthusiast, Taylor is in a different category. It is his choice. Nothing obligates us to make free improv music that appeals to the populus. If someone wants to appeal to an elite crowd, so be it. Music producers say there is no public for this. When we play for them, they are fascinated. But they want to have granted what they buy and sell: a song that people can remember and a demo that contains exactly what you are going to do. The "what if you have a bad day?" thing. (but what do they do if a talk show master has a bad day?) I think they just did not grab it yet... once musicians give more value to their instrumental conversation ability and the public realizes what music can be about, producers will hire us. (not that this would be the aim of this mail...) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 17:42:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D5233BF67; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:41:45 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADAB@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: zen and the fluent music thread-index: AcWKJL5onNb/oOt3RpCQkbJGDkgIAwAA9H6QAAEOKOA= From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2005 17:41:47.0760 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3E23700:01C58A2D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Tangential comment...I thought it was interesting when on public TV, Bradford Marsalis called Cecil Taylor's work self indulgent bullshit....just goes to show how a very accomplished musician who is very adept at jazz and improvisation can be completely indifferent to a form of free jazz on the far end of the spectrum. Sort of funny that he said that on TV, that history of jazz series program that came out on DVD and VHS. Another example. A good friend of mine went to see Ornette Coleman in the Bay area over 20 years ago. He said in the first 15 minutes of the show, over half of the people walked out of the venue. I sort of like these examples and tests of the human pallet for different types of music. Is it inappropriate that these guys play music that does not have this balance of the "predictably appealing" with the extreme? Is their artistic integrity compromised? I don't think so. They just do what they do.=20 K- -----Original Message----- From: Hartung, Kris=20 Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:22 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music >"[Snip]... Only most musicians are hardly able to play like that and=20 >claim that the public wants some ABACA... structure... probably a=20 >reminder of old dance styles and polite forms... and simply a help for=20 >the memory... easy composing... ?" > >Probably true, though it strikes me as odd based on how my brain works=20 >with music. I actually find it easier to compose or perform=20 >non-repetitive free improv, rather than music with some structure. >Building structure based on rules seems like a lot of work! >>maybe you got me wrong here: a repetitive base certainly makes improvisation easier because you know beforehand what will happen, to some degree. Yes, I understand, and for me it is still easier to improv without this repetitive base. Because of all the jazz theory crammed in my brain, the framework ends up being a restriction. Hence total free improv, no rules, no repetive base, nothing....that is easier for me. And I quality..."for me" here. I'm not making any claims about anyone else's comfort level. Give me a repeating ii-V-I progression, and I'll burn myself out improvising over it for an hour...give me 3 hours of a blank slate, and I can create indefinitly. >>in Brasil and probably other "hot" cultures, also rock bands, a huge=20 >>part of the performances are just in between composition and improvisation: the musicians know the basic melody and rhythm of a song and improvise its structure. This could hardly work without the ABA... kind of tradition. >>to create a composition, repetition also helps. sure its more work than an improvisation, but try to remember a composition that never repeats! That would be difficult indeed! I've never played, as a cover, any of my past truly improvised songs. Just sitting down and transcribing the notes and movements would be so arduous that it would render it a pointless activity for me,. >The structure usually becomes a psychological inhibitor for me,=20 >stifling creativity and freedom of expression. In fact, I feel more at=20 >ease with myself as a musician and in tune with the flow of things when >I pick up my guitar, randomly pick a note on the fret board, and start=20 >playing as if I were having a conversation or telling a story to=20 >someone....nothing really repeats...mostly notes... maybe an occasional >dyad or triad to make a point, etc. It all depends on what you want to >say. I like that looping that sort of thing for about 2 minutes, then=20 >having a conversation with myself in parallel....complementing the=20 >first version of the story with a parallel version, which ends up=20 >creating a whole new story. > >yes, thats of the kind I am talking about. It seems to me that for most musicians this is somehow "to easy" to do, so they dont see any value. but its what a huge part of the TV watchers are looking for: talk shows where they can see any kind of people improvise express spontaneously. So why would they not be able to follow your talking? Exactly! I think "too easy to do" in this context is a relative term. Because there is a difference between just sitting down and playing random notes (like the goo goo gaa gaa of an infant) and actually spontaneously creating a meaningful composition. Some people don't see the value because they and we are comparing apples and orange. Heck, if it was just sitting down and playing random notes with no taste or meaning, I could have done that when I was 12 years old, the year I started playing guitar....better yet, when I was 8 years old and just banging on the instrument for fun! :) You may be right...if the story is there, folks will follow it. But sometimes it's not the story that attacts the common listener, but the harmonic structure. I can tell a story that is completey atonal, and that is not appealing to everyone. I can also tell a story that is very "pretty" and melodic. That seems to attract a lot of people. I can see it in their faces and eyes when I play and watch them...it's like an experiment.=20 >>it becomes a lot more interesting if two or more musicians talk together and sometimes coincide marvelously and sometimes have to deal with clashes. True enough. >>As Keith Jarret is a genious in interpretation, he also filled the operas with his free improvisations, but if somebody only plays such impros, he has a hard time to get jobs, right? And Keith went on a whole tour with nothing but free improv...no sheet music or preconceptions, nothing. He just sat down and played. I have an interview of him describing this. Apparently, the crowds were a little uneasy with this approach at first, but it was apparently successful. Another example is Chick Corea and Bobby McFerrin....they also toured and did a lot of free improv that turned out quite well. Now Cecil Taylor is a different story. Whereas Chick Corea and McFerrin may appeal to the stereo-typical jazz enthusiast, Taylor is in a different category. It is his choice. Nothing obligates us to make free improv music that appeals to the populus. If someone wants to appeal to an elite crowd, so be it. Music producers say there is no public for this. When we play for them, they are fascinated. But they want to have granted what they buy and sell: a song that people can remember and a demo that contains exactly what you are going to do. The "what if you have a bad day?" thing. (but what do they do if a talk show master has a bad day?) I think they just did not grab it yet... once musicians give more value to their instrumental conversation ability and the public realizes what music can be about, producers will hire us. (not that this would be the aim of this mail...) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 20:39:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4D003BF88; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005901c58a46$6b841810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LOOPING T-Shirts for sale Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:39:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:39:10 +0000 (UTC) The discussion about looping t-shirts makes me want to let people know that there are still Y2K3 and Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival T-shirts for sale. Last year knowing that I had lost money on the shirts the year before (and please somebody chime in with how nice they look.........) I made everyone pre-order the t-shirts so I wouldn't take such a financial bath. Unfortunately a whole lot of people who preordered them never paid for them so I lost money again. I sent out emails but didn't get replies. So much for trust, eh? If anyone reading this is feeling a pang of guilt, please be kind and contact me; send me the dough and I'll send you shirts. This year if I risk it again, I'll insist that anyone who wants one will need to pay me in advance for them, but in the meantime, I have a few for sale. E-mail me off list if you'd like to buy one. They are $10 each on the clearance rack and all donations are kindly accepted. They cost $12 if you use paypal and $15 if you are out of the United States. If anyone contacts me with a preorder, they'll still be $15 each as that's what we agreed to originally. thanks, Rick Walker rickwalker@looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 21:59:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BA513BF96; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4869164b318110357999dd5a44d81432@griffpeters.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Per Boysen From: Griff Peters Subject: in-time, ableton, behringer fcb1010 footpedal, augustus loop Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:58:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <4_OtwB.A.81B.KNY2CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:59:38 +0000 (UTC) >> I'm a guitarist in San Diego, Ca. I'm working diligently >> to wrap my mind around the integration of a realtime loop >> capturing-editing onstage sound-tweaking rig. After searching the >> archives, I'm still unsure of the best way to >> configure my setup. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could >> offer >> any advice or point me in the right direction. >> >> Here's what I want to do: >> >> I'm onstage with my band (guitar, bass, drums, vocals). We're playing >> without a click or sequence or anything like that... >> I hit a footpedal on my behringer fcb1010 to send a "begin recording >> audio #1" command. >> I play my guitar riff... I hit another pedal for "record stop & store >> audio recording for later playback". >> The band plays awhile longer... >> I then hit another pedal for "playback audio #1 once only". If i want >> it to >> loop, i can hit another pedal for "playback and continue to loop >> audio #1". >> If i want it silenced i can hit another pedal for "stop audio #1" >> Of course, the audio is time stretched/squeezed to adapt to the band's >> tempo. And I need all these commands to execute on a beat or >> bar-quantized timing. >> >> I'm thinking this would be possible with ableton live, right? >> >> Would it be best to use Augustus Loop? >> I'll probably use Circular Logic's In-Time software for tempo >> interpreting from midi generated from either my guitar synth pickup >> or from a drum trigger. >> >> Do you know of many people doing this kind of thing with much success? >> >> Thanks very much to all in advance! >> >> Griff Peters >> >> www.griffpeters.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 23:26:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0580F3BF9D; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:26:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: RE: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <12824116.1121556379591.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:26:38 +0000 (UTC) << Give me a repeating ii-V-I progression, and I'll burn myself out improvising over it for an hour...give me 3 hours of a blank slate, and I can create indefinity>> why not do a bit of both?.....be "pretty" and improvy.....mic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 23:33:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD8AF3BFA5; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:33:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: RE: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <30092902.1121556805322.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:33:30 +0000 (UTC) I can tell a >story that is completey atonal, and that is not appealing to everyone. I >can also tell a story that is very "pretty" and melodic. That seems to >attract a lot of people. I can see it in their faces and eyes when I >play and watch them...it's like an experiment. i see you already do both.....there ya go!.....mic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 16 23:41:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB0943BF9E; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <4869164b318110357999dd5a44d81432@griffpeters.com> References: <4869164b318110357999dd5a44d81432@griffpeters.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <711CA540-1849-4A93-83F0-46F235DFAF4C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: in-time, ableton, behringer fcb1010 footpedal, augustus loop Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 01:41:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <-pe4l.A.MrD.HtZ2CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:41:59 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 16, 2005, at 23:58, Griff Peters wrote: >>> >>> Here's what I want to do: >>> >>> I'm onstage with my band (guitar, bass, drums, vocals). We're >>> playing >>> without a click or sequence or anything like that... >>> >>> I hit a footpedal on my behringer fcb1010 to send a "begin >>> recording audio #1" command. >>> >>> I play my guitar riff... I hit another pedal for "record stop & >>> store >>> audio recording for later playback". >>> >>> The band plays awhile longer... >>> >>> I then hit another pedal for "playback audio #1 once only". >>> If i want it to >>> loop, i can hit another pedal for "playback and continue to loop >>> audio #1". In Live 5 you will be able to do all this. The "loop" (or "not to loop") can now be addressed by MIDI. This means you can have one FCB button that will turn on/off the loop function. This assignment will address the selected clip. Also, if you want a recording to start playing back directly as you go out of recording mode you will have to set the launching preferences to "Trigger" rather than "Toggle". This means that you can not stop a looping clip the normal way: by selecting it (by your pedal) a second time. The workaround for this is to start the gig with one dummy clip looping on each channel. The channel should be in recording mode so when you step the button for the next empty clip the recording will start. When you step it a second time it will stop recording and start playing back. When you want to stop this looping clip you simply step the button for selecting the dummy loop. The dummy can just be a bar of recorded silence. In Live 5 you can also assign one of the expression pedals to the samples pitch parameter. This assignment will address the playing clip (loop) on the selected track. Cool feature ;-) >>> If i want it silenced i can hit another pedal for "stop audio #1" Yes. By selecting the silent dummy on the same track or by turning of "loop" for the clip you want silenced. >>> Of course, the audio is time stretched/squeezed to adapt to the >>> band's >>> tempo. And I need all these commands to execute on a beat or bar- >>> quantized timing. Time stretching is what Live is about. A recorded bar is always one bare, in any tempo. >>> I'm thinking this would be possible with ableton live, right? Yes, as explained above. >>> Would it be best to use Augustus Loop? No, not for what you're saying that you want to do. >>> I'll probably use Circular Logic's In-Time software for tempo >>> interpreting from midi generated from either my guitar synth >>> pickup or from a drum trigger. >>> >>> Do you know of many people doing this kind of thing with much >>> success? No. But I have seen impressive demonstrations of Circular Logic and some people say it's awesome. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 17 00:02:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB2E83BF40; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <143.49124a9d.300af9fe@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:02:06 EDT Subject: Re: zen and flatulent music (Marsalis Brothers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_143.49124a9d.300af9fe_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:02:17 +0000 (UTC) --part1_143.49124a9d.300af9fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, In a message dated 7/16/05 10:41:56 AM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes: > Tangential comment...I thought it was interesting when on public TV, > Bradford Marsalis called Cecil Taylor's work self indulgent bullshit.... > just goes to show how a very accomplished musician who is very=20 > adept at jazz and improvisation can be completely indifferent to a > form of free jazz on the far end of the spectrum. Sort of funny that he > said that on TV, that history of jazz series program that came out on > DVD and VHS. >=20 I thought that was Winton, not Branford. Oh well. While I've mildly=20 enjoyed some of the Marsalis brothers' stuff from time to time, Winton=20 is a much better classical player than a jazz player IMOHO. He's got amazing technique but is a bit bloodless for my taste -- and a bit=20 of a "jazz nazi" on top of that. A prominent music critic friend=20 of mine refered to him as a "musical necrophilliac" in print once. The Marsalis brothers seem to make a habit of dissing their betters. A trait that does not endear them to some folks. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_143.49124a9d.300af9fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,

In a message dated 7/16/05 10:41:56 AM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes:

Tangential comment...= I thought it was interesting when on public TV,
Bradford Marsalis called Cecil Taylor's work self indulgent bullshit....<= BR> just goes to show how a very accomplished musician who is very
adept at jazz and improvisation can be completely indifferent to a
form of free jazz on the far end of the spectrum. Sort of funny that he
said that on TV, that history of jazz series program that came out on
DVD and VHS.

I thought that was Winton, not Branford. Oh well. While I've mildly
enjoyed some of the Marsalis brothers' stuff from time to time, Winton
is a much better classical player than a jazz player IMOHO. He's got
amazing technique but is a bit bloodless for my taste -- and a bit
of a "jazz nazi" on top of that. A prominent music critic friend
of mine refered to him as a "musical necrophilliac" in print once.
The Marsalis brothers seem to make a habit of dissing their betters.
A trait that does not endear them to some folks.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
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and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_143.49124a9d.300af9fe_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 17 01:16:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 865F53BF9A; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 01:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=LtaLwJlxEU3K/ZVc8FYsrGEJUWX98C5bAFQrNubY4Msd6OgtK73QYGkfQGYL5Oek; Message-ID: <410-22005701712233740@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: RE: Bob Moog ill Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:22:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940e06ee76ded0d7d6c58992205268bbcc4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.146.12 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 01:16:17 +0000 (UTC) I got to the site, thanks to you, Scott. Whew, looks like I'd better put my hands together for ol' Bob. Yes, it sounds quaint, but I do believe in the power of prayer. I mean, he *might* get better, stranger things have happened! Love, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Scott M2 > To: > Date: 7/15/2005 11:10:56 PM > Subject: RE: Bob Moog ill > > Try this link - then type in "bobmoog" > http://www.caringbridge.com/cb/visitAPage.do > > Also - Thanks Emile. Dr. Moog is an icon to > so many electronic musicians, like myself. > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 17 04:02:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 159403BF8F; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 04:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: LOOPING T-Shirts for sale Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:02:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <005901c58a46$6b841810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 04:02:43 +0000 (UTC) I can attest to the fact that these T-shirts that my bro speaks of are SWEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't own one, you are missing out, and I, for one am suspect of your fashion sense. I love the way mine ripple over my wash board abs, and chiseled pecs. They really show off my guns as well. Bill -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 1:39 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: LOOPING T-Shirts for sale The discussion about looping t-shirts makes me want to let people know that there are still Y2K3 and Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival T-shirts for sale. Last year knowing that I had lost money on the shirts the year before (and please somebody chime in with how nice they look.........) I made everyone pre-order the t-shirts so I wouldn't take such a financial bath. Unfortunately a whole lot of people who preordered them never paid for them so I lost money again. I sent out emails but didn't get replies. So much for trust, eh? If anyone reading this is feeling a pang of guilt, please be kind and contact me; send me the dough and I'll send you shirts. This year if I risk it again, I'll insist that anyone who wants one will need to pay me in advance for them, but in the meantime, I have a few for sale. E-mail me off list if you'd like to buy one. They are $10 each on the clearance rack and all donations are kindly accepted. They cost $12 if you use paypal and $15 if you are out of the United States. If anyone contacts me with a preorder, they'll still be $15 each as that's what we agreed to originally. thanks, Rick Walker rickwalker@looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 17 04:58:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E06E53BF8C; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 04:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:58:24 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADB5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: zen and the fluent music thread-index: AcWKXeHrA8sy+cDgRm2VlEQwuk9dSAALeErQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2005 04:58:26.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AA66690:01C58A8C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 04:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've played diatonically for the last 25 years as a guitarist, part diatonic blended with "outside" in the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking chromatically when I improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk of mine at this point in the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, I'll be playing noise. :) -----Original Message----- From: nemoguitt@verizon.net [mailto:nemoguitt@verizon.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 5:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: zen and the fluent music << Give me a repeating ii-V-I progression, and I'll burn myself out improvising over it for an hour...give me 3 hours of a blank slate, and I can create indefinity>> why not do a bit of both?.....be "pretty" and improvy.....mic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 17 05:05:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 516713BF8D; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 05:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:04:59 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADB6@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: zen and the fluent music thread-index: AcWKXsfOt9NzA5uURZe+Yd6+DtsCfwALdQkg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2005 05:05:00.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[1568AAD0:01C58A8D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 05:05:02 +0000 (UTC) The question is, how long can I maintain it? I'm not sure how long I can maintain concern and interest in pleasing an audience....as I find myself getting more self-indulgent and introspective in my playing over the years. Does anyone else have this problem? I think the looping as a soloist brought this out in me more...it's very easy for me to get lost in myself up there with the EDPs and my instrument. I don't know why, I just find my feelings gravitating toward more and more abstract and obscure composition. Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: nemoguitt@verizon.net [mailto:nemoguitt@verizon.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 5:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: zen and the fluent music I can tell a >story that is completey atonal, and that is not appealing to everyone.=20 >I can also tell a story that is very "pretty" and melodic. That seems=20 >to attract a lot of people. I can see it in their faces and eyes when I >play and watch them...it's like an experiment. i see you already do both.....there ya go!.....mic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 17 06:09:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B14E3BF92; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 06:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C58A91.049008F6" Subject: RE: zen and flatulent music (Marsalis Brothers) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:33:10 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADB8@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: zen and flatulent music (Marsalis Brothers) thread-index: AcWKYs60LufxkqK1Ry+j0S+RfJwZWQAKrd7A From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2005 06:09:21.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[12F15320:01C58A96] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 06:09:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58A91.049008F6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm certain it was Bradford, because I remember being surprised that he said it....with his more diverse background than Winton, playing with Sting, the Grateful Dead, and other styles of music besides classical forms. Although, I can imagine Winton thinking this, but not saying it...he comes across to me as being far too "tight" and proper. :) Musical necrophilliac...I love that term! I used to call Winton and others like him jazz curators, but I like your friend's term better. "Jazz Necrophilliac" could be even more accurate, I suppose.=20 =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: zen and flatulent music (Marsalis Brothers) Kris, In a message dated 7/16/05 10:41:56 AM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes: Tangential comment...I thought it was interesting when on public TV, Bradford Marsalis called Cecil Taylor's work self indulgent bullshit.... just goes to show how a very accomplished musician who is very=20 adept at jazz and improvisation can be completely indifferent to a form of free jazz on the far end of the spectrum. Sort of funny that he said that on TV, that history of jazz series program that came out on DVD and VHS. =09 I thought that was Winton, not Branford. Oh well. While I've mildly=20 enjoyed some of the Marsalis brothers' stuff from time to time, Winton=20 is a much better classical player than a jazz player IMOHO. He's got amazing technique but is a bit bloodless for my taste -- and a bit=20 of a "jazz nazi" on top of that. A prominent music critic friend=20 of mine refered to him as a "musical necrophilliac" in print once. The Marsalis brothers seem to make a habit of dissing their betters. A trait that does not endear them to some folks. Best regards, tEd (r) kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58A91.049008F6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm certain it was Bradford, because I = remember being=20 surprised that he said it....with his more diverse background than = Winton,=20 playing with Sting, the Grateful Dead, and other styles of music besides = classical forms. Although, I can imagine Winton thinking this, but not = saying=20 it...he comes across to me as being far too "tight" and proper. = :)  =20 Musical necrophilliac...I love that term!  I used to call Winton = and others=20 like him jazz curators, but I like your friend's term better. "Jazz=20 Necrophilliac" could be even more accurate, I suppose. =
 
Kris
 

From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 = 6:02=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re: zen=20 and flatulent music (Marsalis Brothers)

Kris,

In a message dated 7/16/05 10:41:56 = AM,=20 kris.hartung@hp.com writes:

Tangential comment...I thought it was interesting = when on=20 public TV,
Bradford Marsalis called Cecil Taylor's work self = indulgent=20 bullshit....
just goes to show how a very accomplished = musician who is=20 very
adept at jazz and improvisation can be completely = indifferent to a
form of free jazz on the far end of the spectrum. = Sort of=20 funny that he
said that on TV, that history of jazz series program = that=20 came out on
DVD and VHS.

I thought that was = Winton, not=20 Branford. Oh well. While I've mildly
enjoyed some of the Marsalis = brothers'=20 stuff from time to time, Winton
is a much better classical player = than a=20 jazz player IMOHO. He's got
amazing technique but is a bit bloodless = for my=20 taste -- and a bit
of a "jazz nazi" on top of that. A prominent = music critic=20 friend
of mine refered to him as a "musical necrophilliac" in print=20 once.
The Marsalis brothers seem to make a habit of dissing their=20 betters.
A trait that does not endear them to some folks.

Best = regards,

tEd ® = kiLLiAn

"Different is = not always=20 better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845= 073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_1= 7314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?Pro= ductID=3D193

Ted Killian's = "Flux Aeterna"=20 is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, = DiscLogic,=20 Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents,=20 Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic,=20 Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah.=20 So???=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58A91.049008F6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 17 08:54:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87CB03BF9E; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADB6@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADB6@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:54:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:54:45 +0000 (UTC) I'd say this is "a problem" everyone has. It's a choice every artist has to make; to play for himself or to adapt his expression. Personally I tend to play for myself and the musicians I like to listen to also do that. Devotion seems to radiate and it appears as most audiences actually are more interested in someone doing it for himself than an player that bases his expression partly on what he thinks the listener expects him to deliver. As long as you manage to stay away from professional artistry this is all a piece of pancake. It may be more difficult to maintain that attitude among investors and brokers. You have to be ruthless to be true. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Jul 17, 2005, at 7:04, Hartung, Kris wrote: > The question is, how long can I maintain it? I'm not sure how long > I can > maintain concern and interest in pleasing an audience....as I find > myself getting more self-indulgent and introspective in my playing > over > the years. Does anyone else have this problem? I think the looping > as a > soloist brought this out in me more...it's very easy for me to get > lost > in myself up there with the EDPs and my instrument. I don't know > why, I > just find my feelings gravitating toward more and more abstract and > obscure composition. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nemoguitt@verizon.net [mailto:nemoguitt@verizon.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 5:33 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: RE: zen and the fluent music > > I can tell a > >> story that is completey atonal, and that is not appealing to >> everyone. >> I can also tell a story that is very "pretty" and melodic. That seems >> to attract a lot of people. I can see it in their faces and eyes >> when I >> > > >> play and watch them...it's like an experiment. >> > > > i see you already do both.....there ya go!.....mic > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 17 08:59:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D0D63BFA8; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: 0% X-Terra-Hash: 92114794b064bb7b1e47796ec4e8e425 Received-SPF: none (moroto.terra.com.br: 200.154.55.144 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.154.55.144; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[80.242.202.242]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A627@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A627@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:50:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-aarAD.A.maH.W3h2CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:59:02 +0000 (UTC) youhou! hesgotthefeeling! well, if you want it more relaxed, reduce less or later, so that you feel releave from that ever going stuff and a healthy space to build onto the fading part, or across it... > >By the way, Mathias, thanks for the suggestion about using Feedback >more. I tried that it is produced some suprising results. It forced me >to keep things fresh...normally it is easy to get lazy and start >admiring your own loops, noodling around with things over them, >etc....but in this case, all of a sudden your loops are disappearing >before you ears and you have to keep creating more stuff! Keeps you on >your toes! > >Kris -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 17 14:48:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D04263BF54; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=id5c44X4Z4933+/ODQ6tSsmUFymtyZEbtGLtioo4YU3BYnuAvHXx8sX8K0S5CbM5baSGWN3YziXdz0YLsqKFrPbgyO4JHnhG9ledswm+gejJutTvHXbGq081U/zeGGGEKhnVq6lqqSWDPp84vRyiLm6kx8oXoQq/8skj+AUxaZg= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:48:47 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADB6@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:48:49 +0000 (UTC) I think if you're playing in public, you're seeking audience approval on some level. Otherwise, why go through the hassle of moving all the gear and booking the show? Figuring out what size audience you're happy with (and a venue that supports that size) is where the problems come in, if the music that satisfies you doesn't have a popular appeal. On 7/17/05, Per Boysen wrote: > I'd say this is "a problem" everyone has. It's a choice every artist > has to make; to play for himself or to adapt his expression. > Personally I tend to play for myself and the musicians I like to > listen to also do that. Devotion seems to radiate and it appears as > most audiences actually are more interested in someone doing it for > himself than an player that bases his expression partly on what he > thinks the listener expects him to deliver. As long as you manage to > stay away from professional artistry this is all a piece of pancake. > It may be more difficult to maintain that attitude among investors > and brokers. You have to be ruthless to be true. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 17 16:52:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9D2A3BF15; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YClJCQ7bBP6eFdeGbD5kEZOM3Tb3zLXOB3SB12qWMkSXn6EGVN3e2OSZoqJuF1DRzmrKRWLyP5CyCZIH2Dz5nW2HkqJoVaJ1qxxrH87IBcDX2lXPeo4CAXP8g3Onv9D3v18ZkCeEfxjSb/AmqtuAtdqffoCJK4V0bJHls1GLOyE= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205071709523ba7bea2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:52:25 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: zen and flatulent music (Marsalis Brothers) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADB8@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADB8@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:52:27 +0000 (UTC) A lot of people found Ken Burns' Jazz series to be rather upsetting. Almost no mention of the free jazz movement. No mention of Sun Ra.=20 Making fun of Miles' electric period -- that was the worst for me.=20 And the obsession with Louis Armstrong -- who was a brilliant jazz musician, one of the very best, but was mentioned in every episode, surely we could have had a little more diversity...? To me, the Marsallis bros. symbolize the worst part of jazz... mannered, polite jazz that's taught as a formal method in schools.=20 feh. On 7/17/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > =20 > I'm certain it was Bradford, because I remember being surprised that he s= aid > it....with his more diverse background than Winton, playing with Sting, t= he > Grateful Dead, and other styles of music besides classical forms. Althoug= h, > I can imagine Winton thinking this, but not saying it...he comes across t= o > me as being far too "tight" and proper. :) Musical necrophilliac...I lo= ve > that term! I used to call Winton and others like him jazz curators, but = I > like your friend's term better. "Jazz Necrophilliac" could be even more > accurate, I suppose.=20 > =20 > Kris=20 > =20 > =20 > ________________________________ > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]=20 > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: zen and flatulent music (Marsalis Brothers) >=20 > =20 > Kris, >=20 > In a message dated 7/16/05 10:41:56 AM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes: >=20 > =20 > Tangential comment...I thought it was interesting when on public TV, > Bradford Marsalis called Cecil Taylor's work self indulgent bullshit.... > just goes to show how a very accomplished musician who is very=20 > adept at jazz and improvisation can be completely indifferent to a > form of free jazz on the far end of the spectrum. Sort of funny that he > said that on TV, that history of jazz series program that came out on > DVD and VHS. >=20 > I thought that was Winton, not Branford. Oh well. While I've mildly=20 > enjoyed some of the Marsalis brothers' stuff from time to time, Winton=20 > is a much better classical player than a jazz player IMOHO. He's got > amazing technique but is a bit bloodless for my taste -- and a bit=20 > of a "jazz nazi" on top of that. A prominent music critic friend=20 > of mine refered to him as a "musical necrophilliac" in print once. > The Marsalis brothers seem to make a habit of dissing their betters. > A trait that does not endear them to some folks. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > tEd (r) kiLLiAn >=20 > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" >=20 > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 >=20 > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???=20 --=20 /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 17 23:14:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FC273BF17; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Z3sUdcxQZxWD76CdRsrP4V83oeLyxYzBfQdbZI0ithk2uiVmwOs4ckxiJCnR2vCPS7i6lOS30+nyPY4AOPEBKgr68w1yOwkdpBpQsKmD5qaK7OihPZqLGxAHltjnFKKsOLoZGujlojHVYi90jekCLHRjHzxAu9qSXAo7Vkj7Pqg= ; Message-ID: <20050717231414.9783.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: zen and flatulent music (Marsalis Brothers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <143.49124a9d.300af9fe@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <05FYV.A.RDF.IZu2CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Ted's comment is also relevant to the thread a few weeks back regarding Thinking of Titles for Musical Pieces; there are 'bout fifty of 'em in this paragraph alone! :) -t- --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > I thought that was Winton, not Branford. Oh well. > While I've mildly > enjoyed some of the Marsalis brothers' stuff from > time to time, Winton > is a much better classical player than a jazz player > IMOHO. He's got > amazing technique but is a bit bloodless for my > taste -- and a bit > of a "jazz nazi" on top of that. A prominent music > critic friend > of mine refered to him as a "musical necrophilliac" > in print once. > The Marsalis brothers seem to make a habit of > dissing their betters. > A trait that does not endear them to some folks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 01:57:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0417D3BF3D; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: toejam00@mac.com Subject: Gibson Echoplex/Foot Controller for sale Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:57:22 +0900 To: loopers delight X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm selling my Gibson Echoplex (with Loop IV), foot controller and manual. Everything is in excellent condition. I don't know what the going price is now, but I'm hoping to get 800 for it. Please email me directly: toejam00@mac.com. For details and photos. I would put it up on eBay, but I live in Japan and that a bit of a hassle. I buy and sell a lot of equipment on the local Yahoo Auctions, but I haven't gotten so much as a nibble on the EDP. It's not sold here and there's no Japanese manual. Thanks, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 02:16:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 887A53BF5A; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 02:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <711CA540-1849-4A93-83F0-46F235DFAF4C@boysen.se> References: <4869164b318110357999dd5a44d81432@griffpeters.com> <711CA540-1849-4A93-83F0-46F235DFAF4C@boysen.se> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--535626550 Message-Id: <90ad914170e3b6f86203c022733d5250@griffpeters.com> From: Griff Peters Subject: midi foot control for ableton clip delete/undo Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:16:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 02:16:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--535626550 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed What's the best way to use a midi footpedal to delete an ableton live 4 clip or undo a recording? Presently i have my behringer fcb 1010 foot controller set up to record/launch clips and stop clips, but i have no way to actually delete/undo/remove them without using the mouse/qwerty. If i'm correct, i'll need to use the footpedal to somehow trigger a laptop keyboard command like "command Z" or "delete". Will live 5 have these commands available from the midi map mode? I'm on a mac powerbook os10.3.9 thanks, Grifftone --Apple-Mail-2--535626550 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII VerdanaWhat's the best way to use a midi footpedal to delete an ableton live 4 clip or undo a recording? Presently i have my behringer fcb 1010 foot controller set up to record/launch clips and stop clips, but i have no way to actually delete/undo/remove them without using the mouse/qwerty. If i'm correct, i'll need to use the footpedal to somehow trigger a laptop keyboard command like "command Z" or "delete". Will live 5 have these commands available from the midi map mode? I'm on a mac powerbook os10.3.9 thanks, Grifftone --Apple-Mail-2--535626550-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 04:54:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99E203BF57; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents PHH!K and Gnostic Rocket Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:58:44 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c58b55$60057aa0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: <4a13mB.A.StE.9Xz2CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:54:22 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 19th PHH!K and Gnostic Rocket Opening the night, Gnostic Rocket is an experiment in rhythm, repetition and controlled chaos. It is built on a foundation of dub and experimental music, utilising Theremin (channeled through a Korg X911 guitar synth), Yamaha CS-01 analog synth with breath controller, Korg ER1 drum machine, self-generated samples and the Springboard Dub, a custom designed delay/ effects/sound-generating unit by Arius Blaze (www.audible-ism.com). No laptops here. Intensive delay and unpredictable analog sound generators with unusual control features allow a unique improvisation between man and machine, each feeding into and leading the other. An attempt dethrone the tyranny of the mind and reify the body. Gnostic Rocket is a one-man project of Toronto-based multi-instrumentalist Steve Barber, who has performed with a diverse roster of artists including: The Weights, Keyop, Syntonics, Bodega, Alvy, and most recently, Evil Doers. PHH!K then presents "Thereminstahs": an evening of improvs and repertoire for non-tactile controllers and various analog/synth noisemakers. PHH!K are a duo who have been performing live electronic music for more than a decade. Their work is informed by the classic period of electronics when music was made with razor-blades, filtered through current digital practice, all created in real-time by non-tactile controllers including 2 Moog Theremins and the Buchla Lightning interface. They have performed across Canada as well as in Europe and among their highlights are performances at the Ijsbreker in Amsterdam, the Winnipeg new music fest and their live appearance accompanying the K-W Canada Day fireworks display for an audience of thousands. "This is experimental music in the best possible sense, with compositions that are made from previously unheard-of combinations of tones and textures. There's an otherworldly quality to it as well, especially when the performers build slippery, pulsating banks of theremin-generated sine waves." - Georgia Straight, Vancouver PHH!K are Peter Hannan and Henry Kucharzyk. Living in Vancouver and Toronto respectively makes their chances to perform together limited. So join them for their only Toronto appearance this summer. http://www.phhk.com Between Sets CD - "Landscape in Obscurity" by VidnaObmana This longform work of deep ambience by VidnaObmana with Capriolo Trifoglio and Diego Borotti (flute and saxophone) uses a "recycling" process to merge elements of jazz & electronics. http://www.vidnaobmana.be . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday July 26th - Planet Of The Loops http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek On July 12th, offering a brief reprieve from the city's most recent heat wave, Io treated PiNG-goers to a cool evening of down-tempo rhythms and ambient collage. Visiting Toronto from Washington, D.C., David Font represented the Io trio, playing two high-calibre sets. In the 1st set, delicate insect samples coalesced with metallics, creating a lovely contrapuntal effect. Io incorporated samples from a gamelan ensemble & David's own field recordings into the evening's tightly woven sonic explorations. General Chaos Visuals provided the visual ambience, using a particularly fitting triptych effect of interweaving layers in this opening piece. Io's 2nd set had a definitive world beat. David started things off with a short Sinatra sample ["You are the one ..."] followed by trip-hop sequences, more bells, a helicoptor's beating wings, a chorus of crickets and a news clip, morphing into a delightful tapestry of sound. Like a successful poem, Io's music moves in unexpected yet satisfying directions. General Chaos' return to the rich boho colours they've been experimenting with lately complimented Io's change of direction in this set perfectly. I had to wonder if this had been planned but, according to PiNG curator Scott M2, this was simply another case of PiNG synchonicity. General Chaos had no idea what Io would be playing & were just trying to create a new environment for the set. *** Keep those submissions coming: iPOP PING magazine is shaping up to be a wide ranging, whimsical collection of ambient thoughts, experimental attitudes and innovative art... Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "There is no Modern Romance" by Building Castles out of Matchsticks Anne Sulikowski is amongst the most honest and forthcoming artists in the electronic genre. Her work is raw, heartfelt, and uncompromising. She lingers in her sadness, revels in her happiness and all the while is able to share these feelings with her listeners. It's a powerful kind of talent combined with a powerful sense of identity that allows her to do this sort of work, and I for one am glad that she has both, because Anne makes some of the best music going these days. "There is No Modern Romance" is the latest release by Anne's project Building Castles out of Matchsticks. Wholly improvised one evening (around 3am to be precise), the disc is a testimony to the pain of broken hearts, lonely nights, solitude and emptiness. Tracks are left unnamed which allows the listener to come to their own conclusions about meaning without any preconceptions. But titled or not, the sense of abandonment and isolation in the music is unmistakeable, represented in a myriad of ways from simple piano to distortion loops to plaintive keyboard melodies to quiet lyrical pieces and more, ranging from delicately beautiful to harsh noise and feedback. It's a dark and melancholy journey through unhappy places, but it's also a journey so desperately familiar that you can't help but recognize some of it's landmarks. There's a tremendous irony that I like Anne's work so much, that songs so painfully sad could be enjoyed so much. But maybe that's the point. Maybe the enjoyment comes from being able to connect with Anne's work and experiences, to be able to identify with it. 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----EeYMHCDBnGctDDSn-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 07:56:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22BD33BF59; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <90ad914170e3b6f86203c022733d5250@griffpeters.com> References: <4869164b318110357999dd5a44d81432@griffpeters.com> <711CA540-1849-4A93-83F0-46F235DFAF4C@boysen.se> <90ad914170e3b6f86203c022733d5250@griffpeters.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: midi foot control for ableton clip delete/undo Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:56:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:56:09 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 18, 2005, at 4:16, Griff Peters wrote: > What's the best way to use a midi footpedal to delete an ableton > live 4 clip or undo a recording? Presently i have my behringer fcb > 1010 foot controller set up to record/launch clips and stop clips, > but i have no way to actually delete/undo/remove them without using > the mouse/qwerty. > > If i'm correct, i'll need to use the footpedal to somehow trigger > a laptop keyboard command like "command Z" or "delete". Correct! > Will live 5 have these commands available from the midi map mode? No. > I'm on a mac powerbook os10.3.9 As you said, you will need some application that does map midi to computer key strokes. I've heard about such an utility for Windows XP but I'm not sure about Mac. This discussion has ben up at the Ableton forum and I'm quite sure you will find the answer by doing a search over there. http://www.ableton.com/forum/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 08:25:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 163073BF54; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Full moon over San Francisco Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:24:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:18:22 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.73.211 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:25:40 +0000 (UTC) found this on the Kyma newsletter ... not necessarily looping content, but it sounds interesting ... for you lucky folks who live near SF ... I'd love to see this but Germany is too far away ... Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------------------------- Full moon over San Francisco Fred Malouf is using Kyma to process and supplement the sound of his guitar in a live performance at CCRMA's annual Digital Music Under the Stars on Thursday, July 21 2005 from 5 pm to midnight at the Frost Amphitheater (http://ccrma.stanford.edu/concerts/images/frostEmail.jpg). Bring a picnic basket and blankets, enjoy an early-evening set of original and cover bands, watch the sunset, and then explore the boundaries of live electroacoustic performances under a full moon. The Frost Amphitheater is at the Corner of Galvez St. and Campus Drive in Stanford, CA 94305 (http://livelyarts.stanford.edu/venues/frost.php). Admission (and the full moon) are FREE. ------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 09:46:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CE873BF56; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a001c58b7d$97072d50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 02:46:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: "Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've played diatonically for the last 25 years as a guitarist.... part diatonic blended with "outside" in the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking chromatically when I improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk of mine at this point in the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, I'll be playing noise. :)" Whatever floats your boat makes me happy for you Kris, but I do want to point out that with over a 1,000 Indian Rags and hundreds of exotic world music scales, let alone just scales, microtonal scales, and found scales, etc. there are a lot of different places to go out there in the world of constrained melodic and harmonic systems. I can't even keep up with the geniuses at the Music Theory tribe at tribe.net with all their discussions of different systems to investigate. "pretty" only relates to a couple of the greek modes in western harmony..................................lydian, for example, is far from pretty. It is bittersweet with a touch of melancholy to my ear and emotions......................add a flat 7 to the scale and you are in a different and exotic emotional universe altogether. It's just one of those Rags. I guess I'm saying that there are other continuums to explore besides the "diatonic-chromatic-noise" continuum which seems to me to be a typical paradigmatic trap in western music. with respect, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 09:47:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DB1E3BF6A; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iVj0x85dJ1KgSmwVu3M2noAd1fyF47HOV0t4mAHLX6Mbon8Ce1VzMlJLovIxO0XdMw9hQRwZZsDvozn7xbBUpiP8YRt1yEgElUGmK0T9yRqSL/LtVNpHeoIcja1bkyyKiOZMQIyWafNKY+Y0C9zptfcW9HKCMZ994wQZuKoDGEI= ; Message-ID: <20050718094734.76232.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 02:47:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0JggeD.A.CxH.5q32CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Well Kris thats great man,you are looping backwards;-) is usually the other way around the more popular musicians get(or enter the professional artistry)the more they make compromises! if you enjoy what you are doing and do it well,there is not much that can go wrong,also being booked in the right places is very important...but there is no denying that we all crave recognition and attention. Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > I'd say this is "a problem" everyone has. It's a > choice every artist > has to make; to play for himself or to adapt his > expression. > Personally I tend to play for myself and the > musicians I like to > listen to also do that. Devotion seems to radiate > and it appears as > most audiences actually are more interested in > someone doing it for > himself than an player that bases his expression > partly on what he > thinks the listener expects him to deliver. As long > as you manage to > stay away from professional artistry this is all a > piece of pancake. > It may be more difficult to maintain that attitude > among investors > and brokers. You have to be ruthless to be true. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > On Jul 17, 2005, at 7:04, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > > The question is, how long can I maintain it? I'm > not sure how long > > I can > > maintain concern and interest in pleasing an > audience....as I find > > myself getting more self-indulgent and > introspective in my playing > > over > > the years. Does anyone else have this problem? I > think the looping > > as a > > soloist brought this out in me more...it's very > easy for me to get > > lost > > in myself up there with the EDPs and my > instrument. I don't know > > why, I > > just find my feelings gravitating toward more and > more abstract and > > obscure composition. > > > > Kris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nemoguitt@verizon.net > [mailto:nemoguitt@verizon.net] > > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 5:33 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: RE: zen and the fluent music > > > > I can tell a > > > >> story that is completey atonal, and that is not > appealing to > >> everyone. > >> I can also tell a story that is very "pretty" and > melodic. That seems > >> to attract a lot of people. I can see it in their > faces and eyes > >> when I > >> > > > > > >> play and watch them...it's like an experiment. > >> > > > > > > i see you already do both.....there ya go!.....mic > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 10:06:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79DA03BF84; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=roWpoOw7uWJbr4xTmcs+jxyz4bDhMD+qVghPyKqtOXUAbbn0fs3lpH3P/tU079FEUG/QAlRtDnfakK9h2kCrGZMyqX1aoE1VkgMzOILrURiLIvus2KVMSfTLg4hs4Kjyr8H6Eo8jF7sNfO934Huc3pgPTqPYVoysWtY+vfTPNPc= ; Message-ID: <20050718100609.90874.qmail@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 03:06:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00a001c58b7d$97072d50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1781278940-1121681169=:90096" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:06:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-1781278940-1121681169=:90096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ,,,or get hip to some Slonimsky and start infra-inter-ultrapolating - both symmetrically and asymmetrically! And don't forget to invert those varied interval dodecaphonic progressions! Monica "loop.pool" wrote: Kris Hartung wrote: "Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've played diatonically for the last 25 years as a guitarist.... part diatonic blended with "outside" in the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking chromatically when I improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk of mine at this point in the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, I'll be playing noise. :)" Whatever floats your boat makes me happy for you Kris, but I do want to point out that with over a 1,000 Indian Rags and hundreds of exotic world music scales, let alone just scales, microtonal scales, and found scales, etc. there are a lot of different places to go out there in the world of constrained melodic and harmonic systems. I can't even keep up with the geniuses at the Music Theory tribe at tribe.net with all their discussions of different systems to investigate. "pretty" only relates to a couple of the greek modes in western harmony..................................lydian, for example, is far from pretty. It is bittersweet with a touch of melancholy to my ear and emotions......................add a flat 7 to the scale and you are in a different and exotic emotional universe altogether. It's just one of those Rags. I guess I'm saying that there are other continuums to explore besides the "diatonic-chromatic-noise" continuum which seems to me to be a typical paradigmatic trap in western music. with respect, Rick Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1781278940-1121681169=:90096 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
,,,or get hip to some Slonimsky and start infra-inter-ultrapolating -
both symmetrically and asymmetrically! And don't forget to invert those
varied interval dodecaphonic progressions!
Monica


"loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Kris Hartung wrote:

"Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've played diatonically for the
last 25 years as a guitarist.... part diatonic blended with "outside" in
the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking chromatically when I
improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk of mine at this point in
the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, I'll be playing noise. :)"


Whatever floats your boat makes me happy for you Kris, but I do want to
point out that with over
a 1,000 Indian Rags and hundreds of exotic world music scales, let alone
just scales, microtonal scales,
and found scales, etc. there are a lot of different places to go out there
in the world of constrained melodic and harmonic systems.

I can't even keep up with the geniuses at the Music Theory tribe at
tribe.net with all their discussions of different
systems to investigate.

"pretty" only relates to a couple of the greek modes in western
harmony..................................lydian, for example, is far from
pretty. It is bittersweet
with a touch of melancholy to my ear and emotions......................add a
flat 7 to the scale and you are in a different and exotic emotional universe
altogether. It's just one of those Rags.

I guess I'm saying that there are other continuums to explore besides the
"diatonic-chromatic-noise" continuum which seems to me
to be a typical paradigmatic trap in western music.

with respect, Rick



 
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1781278940-1121681169=:90096-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 10:38:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67A683BF8A; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:38:08 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADDE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm thread-index: AcWLfZqSGzwsl+qPQKW66KnyJAY/NwABhKlg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2005 10:38:10.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAC24380:01C58B84] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:38:15 +0000 (UTC) That's very true, Rick.....I guess I discovered that when I started to study the sitar a few years ago. There is a lifetime of study out there within the frame-work of scale-based music, but not Western diatonic. It's downright scary. Although, you would just force me to redefine "pretty" here to these systems as well. I should have expanded my definititon to the beginning to equate to "music that feels bad to 99.99% of the human population! He heh.....I'm sort of joking here, but sort of not. It's like I have a pschologically aversion to anything that could potentially be in the popular section of a music store, regardless of what country, culture, or ethnic group. It puts me in the awkard artistic position of potentially admittin that I DO in fact like the idea of doing things differently for the sake of being different...I know that may sound attrocious to some. Have you ever seen one of those kids who sits back and watches every other kid start and complete the design of their project, and then purposely do something that goes completely against the grain of all of that just because? That would be me, no excuses. Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 3:47 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm Kris Hartung wrote: "Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've played diatonically for the last 25 years as a guitarist.... part diatonic blended with "outside" in the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking chromatically when I improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk of mine at this point in the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, I'll be playing noise. :)" Whatever floats your boat makes me happy for you Kris, but I do want to point out that with over a 1,000 Indian Rags and hundreds of exotic world music scales, let alone just scales, microtonal scales, and found scales, etc. there are a lot of different places to go out there in the world of constrained melodic and harmonic systems. I can't even keep up with the geniuses at the Music Theory tribe at tribe.net with all their discussions of different systems to investigate. "pretty" only relates to a couple of the greek modes in western harmony..................................lydian, for example, is far from pretty. It is bittersweet with a touch of melancholy to my ear and emotions......................add a flat 7 to the scale and you are in a different and exotic emotional universe=20 altogether. It's just one of those Rags. I guess I'm saying that there are other continuums to explore besides the "diatonic-chromatic-noise" continuum which seems to me to be a typical paradigmatic trap in western music. with respect, Rick=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 10:43:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 840563BF9E; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1121683399!27446772!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A29B@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: in praise of looping with the Electrix Mo-FX Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:45:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C58B85.C0346E60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:43:25 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58B85.C0346E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>What I always hated about the Electrix boxes is that they take two HU, most of the time for an effect I wouldn't even donate half a rackspace for [snip] I'd even think it would be possible to put the Repeater's MMI into one rackspace.....<< there's no technical reason why the repeater couldn't be the size of a walkman, if enough money was thrown at making the chips to do it, but then you might complain about the size of the buttons or the display. same thing with a lot of gear with analogue-style control surfaces (as distinct from the "poly-800" approach with lots of cheap membrane switches & a single knob); if you want hands-on, you have to be prepared to accommodate a few controls in a useable layout. take the lid off of a supernova synth module.... (rambling now) point is, the repeater was supposed to be played with using one's hands. otherwise they would've designed it into a tiny 1/2-rack box with an enormous footswitch board, like... oh, I dunno.... the fcb-1010... to drive it with. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>What I always hated about the Electrix boxes is t= hat they take two HU, most of the time for an effect I wouldn't even
donate half a rackspace for [snip] I'd even think it wou= ld be possible to put the Repeater's MMI into one rackspace.....<<

there's no technical reason why the repeater couldn't be = the size of a walkman, if enough money was thrown at making the chips to do= it, but then you might complain about the size of the buttons or the displ= ay.

same thing with a lot of gear with analogue-style control= surfaces (as distinct from the "poly-800" approach with lots of = cheap membrane switches & a single knob); if you want hands-on, you hav= e to be prepared to accommodate a few controls in a useable layout. take th= e lid off of a supernova synth module.... (rambling now)

point is, the repeater was supposed to be played with usi= ng one's hands. otherwise they would've designed it into a tiny 1/2-rack bo= x with an enormous footswitch board, like... oh, I dunno.... the fcb-1010..= . to drive it with.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C58B85.C0346E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 11:21:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D98E3BF90; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C58B8A.CDBC75EB" Subject: RE: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 05:21:11 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADDF@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm thread-index: AcWLgFe6A9Y9Sv2cQ1qa6gywFkPzygABJZPQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2005 11:21:12.0900 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE129840:01C58B8A] Resent-Message-ID: <5huiYB.A.lVE.rC52CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:21:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58B8A.CDBC75EB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know, it's crazy how far, complex, and off the deep end one can go, yet still do something that might appeal to world. I supposed I could learn how to play the guitar, but finger every single note up or down exactly 1/4 of a tone, just to keep busy for another 10 years, yet make music that has some popular appeal.=20 =20 You make me think of something someone once said to me about my music that made me step back and re-evaluate what I was doing artistically...and it applies to looping and improvisation. It has to do with the "process" involved with creating music vs. the just the output by and in itself. It must be how peoples' brains work when they try to understand music, but I have met some people who are only interested in the nature of the final sonic output of a composition, and not "how" or the process by which it was created. For example, one of us in this discussion group could create a totally improvised looping composition that has multiple layers and take several minutes to build, or someone else could possibly have created the same composition, or something very similar, by writing out all the parts in advance, scoring it out, and then recording it via traditional multi-tracking technology. In contrast, someone could use some compositional method to create a piece of music, one that involves some complex mathematics or playing approach, and someone else could possibly perform a similar piece off the top of their head with no methodology. These are extreme examples, of course, but for me, the process is very important, just as important as the emotion that arises from the final output, and has a lot to do with how I frame a piece of music and understand it. Others are more interested in how the final output makes them feel....they are not interested in the non-tangible aspects of the final song and how it was created, as if that doesn't really add anything significant to the final output...that has to be added or tacked on "conceptually" to the composition by the listener, and factored into the evaluation. I think that is really interesting - how people combine inherent and non-inherent characteristics to define an object....it can get so wonderfully complicated and fuzzy, and generate all sorts of contradictory conceptions of things...I love contradictions, anything and everything that forces us to re-evaluate the so-called truth of the matter. =20 =20 In any event, if I recall my interaction with this reviewer correctly, I was raving about the process by which I created some tune of mine, and the other person basically didn't care...it was all about the final output...they didn't like it (how it made him/her feel), and no amount of information regarding "how" the composition was created would change his/her feelings. I don't think there is anything right or wrong with this way of thinking/feeling...it is just a facet of the diversity of human emotion and the thought (or lack thereof) that goes into liking music. Again, I think it is just how peoples' brains are wired. I have to remind myself of this frequently when people try to understand or react to anything I compose that involves looping and improvisation. Some people just aren't concerned with the process of the composition, but the inherent properties of the composition itself. We can't force or obligate anyone include the non-intrinsic characteristics of a a piece of music in their emotional judgement of the music. And if you think about it, if someone, many years from now (or an alien from another world) were to find a CD that had a bunch of our looping music on it, but there was no literature that explained the process by which we created the music, all this being might be have to base their affinity or lack of affinity with the music IS the output itself and the raw, intrinsic characteristics of the music. We wouldn't have the luxury of them knowing how we created the music to appreciate the process and hard work involved in that facet of the composition. So it appears to me that there are intrinsic and non-intrinsic characteristics that we can pack, or not pack into a concept that defines a piece of music....or any "thing" for that matter. Sometimes we grow so fond of the non-intrinsic characteristics of music, that we begin to believe ourselves that they are really intrinsic properties of the music... or at least we talk in a way that implies this; whereas philosophically, we can't really maintain this position. =20 =20 Thanks for providing the spring-board for me to wander, Monica. :) =20 Kris ________________________________ From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm ,,,or get hip to some Slonimsky and start infra-inter-ultrapolating -=20 both symmetrically and asymmetrically! And don't forget to invert those varied interval dodecaphonic progressions! =20 Monica "loop.pool" wrote: Kris Hartung wrote: =09 "Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've played diatonically for the last 25 years as a guitarist.... part diatonic blended with "outside" in the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking chromatically when I improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk of mine at this point in the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, I'll be playing noise. :)" =09 =09 Whatever floats your boat makes me happy for you Kris, but I do want to=20 point out that with over a 1,000 Indian Rags and hundreds of exotic world music scales, let alone=20 just scales, microtonal scales, and found scales, etc. there are a lot of different places to go out there=20 in the world of constrained melodic and harmonic systems. =09 I can't even keep up with the geniuses at the Music Theory tribe at=20 tribe.net with all their discussions of different systems to investigate. =09 "pretty" only relates to a couple of the greek modes in western=20 harmony..................................lydian, for example, is far from=20 pretty. It is bittersweet with a touch of melancholy to my ear and emotions......................add a=20 flat 7 to the scale and you are in a different and exotic emotional universe=20 altogether. It's just one of those Rags. =09 I guess I'm saying that there are other continuums to explore besides the=20 "diatonic-chromatic-noise" continuum which seems to me to be a typical paradigmatic trap in western music. =09 with respect, Rick=20 =09 =09 =20 Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com=20 =20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58B8A.CDBC75EB Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know, it's crazy how far, complex, and off = the deep end=20 one can go, yet still do something that might appeal to world.  I = supposed=20 I could learn how to play the guitar, but finger every single note up or = down exactly 1/4 of a tone, just to keep busy for = another 10=20 years, yet make music that has some popular=20 appeal. 
 
You make me think of something someone once = said to me=20 about my music that made me step back and re-evaluate what I was doing=20 artistically...and it applies to looping and improvisation.  It has = to do=20 with the "process" involved with creating music vs. the just the output = by and=20 in itself. It must be how peoples' brains work when they try to = understand=20 music, but I have met some people who are only interested in=20 the nature of the final sonic output of a composition, and = not "how"=20 or the process by which it was created.  For example, one of = us in=20 this discussion group could create a totally improvised looping=20 composition that has multiple layers and take several minutes=20 to build, or someone else could possibly have created the same = composition,=20 or something very similar, by writing out all the parts in = advance,=20 scoring it out, and then recording it via traditional multi-tracking = technology.=20 In contrast, someone could use some compositional method to create a = piece of=20 music, one that involves some complex mathematics or playing approach, = and=20 someone else could possibly perform a similar piece off the top of their = head=20 with no methodology. These are extreme examples, of course, but for me, = the=20 process is very important, just as important as the emotion that arises = from the=20 final output, and has a lot to do with how I frame a piece of music and=20 understand it.  Others are more interested in how the final output = makes=20 them feel....they are not interested in the non-tangible aspects of the = final=20 song and how it was created, as if that doesn't really add anything = significant=20 to the final output...that has to be added or tacked on =  "conceptually" to=20 the composition by the listener, and factored into the evaluation. I = think that=20 is really interesting -  how people combine inherent and = non-inherent=20 characteristics to define an object....it can get so wonderfully = complicated and=20 fuzzy, and generate all sorts of contradictory conceptions of = things...I=20 love contradictions, anything and everything that forces us to = re-evaluate the=20 so-called truth of the matter. 
 
In any event, if I recall my interaction with = this reviewer=20 correctly, I was raving about the process by which I created some tune = of mine,=20 and the other person basically didn't care...it was all about the final=20 output...they didn't like it (how it made him/her feel), and no amount = of=20 information regarding "how" the composition was created would=20 change his/her feelings. I don't think there is anything right or = wrong=20 with this way of thinking/feeling...it is just a facet of the diversity = of human=20 emotion and the thought (or lack thereof) that goes into liking = music. =20 Again, I think it is just how peoples' brains are wired. I have to = remind myself=20 of this frequently when people try to understand or react to anything I = compose=20 that involves looping and improvisation. Some people just aren't = concerned with=20 the process of the composition, but the inherent properties of the = composition=20 itself. We can't force or obligate anyone include the non-intrinsic=20 characteristics of a a piece of music in their emotional judgement of = the music.=20 And if you think about it, if someone, many years from now (or an alien = from=20 another world) were to find a CD that had a bunch of our looping music = on it,=20 but there was no literature that explained the process by which we = created=20 the music, all this being might be have to base their affinity = or lack=20 of affinity with the music IS the output itself and the raw, intrinsic=20 characteristics of the music. We wouldn't have the luxury of them = knowing how we=20 created the music to appreciate the process and hard work involved in = that facet=20 of the composition.  So it appears to me that there are = intrinsic and=20 non-intrinsic characteristics that we can pack, or not pack into a = concept that=20 defines a piece of music....or any "thing" for that = matter. Sometimes=20 we grow so fond of the non-intrinsic characteristics of music, that we = begin to=20 believe ourselves that they are really intrinsic properties of the = music... or=20 at least we talk in a way that implies this; whereas philosophically, we = can't=20 really maintain this position. 
 
Thanks for providing the spring-board for me to = wander,=20 Monica. :)
 
Kris

From: Monica = [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:06 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: the=20 diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm

,,,or get hip to some Slonimsky and = start=20 infra-inter-ultrapolating -
both symmetrically and = asymmetrically! And don't=20 forget to invert those
varied interval dodecaphonic = progressions!
Monica


"loop.pool"=20 <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Kris=20 Hartung wrote:

"Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've = played=20 diatonically for the
last 25 years as a guitarist.... part diatonic = blended=20 with "outside" in
the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking=20 chromatically when I
improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk = of mine=20 at this point in
the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, = I'll be=20 playing noise. :)"


Whatever floats your boat makes me happy = for you=20 Kris, but I do want to
point out that with over
a 1,000 Indian = Rags and=20 hundreds of exotic world music scales, let alone
just scales, = microtonal=20 scales,
and found scales, etc. there are a lot of different places = to go=20 out there
in the world of constrained melodic and harmonic=20 systems.

I can't even keep up with the geniuses at the Music = Theory=20 tribe at
tribe.net with all their discussions of = different
systems to=20 investigate.

"pretty" only relates to a couple of the greek = modes in=20 western
harmony..................................lydian, for = example, is=20 far from
pretty. It is bittersweet
with a touch of melancholy = to my ear=20 and emotions......................add a
flat 7 to the scale and = you are in=20 a different and exotic emotional universe
altogether. It's just = one of=20 those Rags.

I guess I'm saying that there are other continuums = to=20 explore besides the
"diatonic-chromatic-noise" continuum which = seems to=20 me
to be a typical paradigmatic trap in western music.

with = respect,=20 Rick



 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C58B8A.CDBC75EB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 11:28:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 844883BFB1; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001401c58b8b$cffebb60$0401a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <000401c58a17$784adc20$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: in praise of looping with the Electrix Mo-FX Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:28:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <2TYT5D.A.0uE.hJ52CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:28:33 +0000 (UTC) R.T.B.S Wrote snip Like take the filter factory, the mofx and the (don't remember the name of the vocoder), taking up a total of six rack spaces, and I can do what they do (and more) with a one HU nord modular G2 engine. I understand that it's also caused by the fact that they have these dual function rackmount-plus-tabletop design, but for me, it's just not enough processing power for the real estate taken up by them. Rainer Sure you'll eventually "close mimick" all those Electrix boxes on the G2 (not Sooo easy though....ëż ë ) but you will still need something as big as a behringer BCR 2000 (300mm X 330 mm) to turn some buttons. so having followed both ways 1: little special boxes that do 1 thing but do it verywell and have the best User Interface but they need to be patched, take a lot of space and care. 2. one or 2 all around very expensive rack units that are marketed as doing everything you ask but do it finnally not so well. Those big processors are often difficult to program and give few instant gratification Being in the middle of one of these changes (G2 exp rack) I, (for the moment ) still regret the sound and magic of my 4pole filter and Vortex delay that the G2 should replace somehow........ Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 11:29:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9191F3BFBA; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Full moon over San Francisco Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 05:29:01 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADE0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Full moon over San Francisco thread-index: AcWLck6sKo3GTVcQQgSKv3fs2ee20AAGRh/A From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2005 11:29:03.0114 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6578EA0:01C58B8B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:29:04 +0000 (UTC) For thos who need background on Kyma: http://www.synthtopia.com/news/05_01/Design_Music_In_3d.html AND http://emusician.com/mag/emusic_symbolic_soundkyma_macwin/=20 Yes, I wish I could see this concert as well. It would be interesting if they also showed live video of Malouf using the system as he was tweaking his sounds. Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de]=20 Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 2:24 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Full moon over San Francisco found this on the Kyma newsletter ... not necessarily looping content, but it sounds interesting ... for you lucky folks who live near SF ... I'd love to see this but Germany is too far away ... Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------------------------- Full moon over San Francisco Fred Malouf is using Kyma to process and supplement the sound of his guitar in a live performance at CCRMA's annual Digital Music Under the Stars on Thursday, July 21 2005 from 5 pm to midnight at the Frost Amphitheater (http://ccrma.stanford.edu/concerts/images/frostEmail.jpg). Bring a picnic basket and blankets, enjoy an early-evening set of original and cover bands, watch the sunset, and then explore the boundaries of live electroacoustic performances under a full moon. The Frost Amphitheater is at the Corner of Galvez St. and Campus Drive in Stanford, CA 94305 (http://livelyarts.stanford.edu/venues/frost.php). Admission (and the full moon) are FREE. ------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 12:34:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99AC83BF90; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADDF@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADDF@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <769DFBC3-9CCD-4A9A-9221-A2BAFBA13610@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:34:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Makes me remember last year when I was reminded (by the advertising at a festival I was attending) that "some music is interesting because it sounds unpleasant". That line really made me stop and think for a while. Now, related to Kris' post you should not forget that some people listen to music to gain feelings of well being, while others may also listen to music as a way of undertaking a risky somewhat painful journey to explore unknown territories. According to your definitions, Kris, I guess I'm the kind of person that don't care much about how some music was created. Of course an exception is conceptual arts, but then it's up to the artist to make any important concept explicit to the consumer. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Jul 18, 2005, at 13:21, Hartung, Kris wrote: > I know, it's crazy how far, complex, and off the deep end one can > go, yet still do something that might appeal to world. I supposed > I could learn how to play the guitar, but finger every single note > up or down exactly 1/4 of a tone, just to keep busy for another 10 > years, yet make music that has some popular appeal. > > You make me think of something someone once said to me about my > music that made me step back and re-evaluate what I was doing > artistically...and it applies to looping and improvisation. It has > to do with the "process" involved with creating music vs. the just > the output by and in itself. It must be how peoples' brains work > when they try to understand music, but I have met some people who > are only interested in the nature of the final sonic output of a > composition, and not "how" or the process by which it was created. > For example, one of us in this discussion group could create a > totally improvised looping composition that has multiple layers and > take several minutes to build, or someone else could possibly have > created the same composition, or something very similar, by writing > out all the parts in advance, scoring it out, and then recording it > via traditional multi-tracking technology. In contrast, someone > could use some compositional method to create a piece of music, one > that involves some complex mathematics or playing approach, and > someone else could possibly perform a similar piece off the top of > their head with no methodology. These are extreme examples, of > course, but for me, the process is very important, just as > important as the emotion that arises from the final output, and has > a lot to do with how I frame a piece of music and understand it. > Others are more interested in how the final output makes them > feel....they are not interested in the non-tangible aspects of the > final song and how it was created, as if that doesn't really add > anything significant to the final output...that has to be added or > tacked on "conceptually" to the composition by the listener, and > factored into the evaluation. I think that is really interesting - > how people combine inherent and non-inherent characteristics to > define an object....it can get so wonderfully complicated and > fuzzy, and generate all sorts of contradictory conceptions of > things...I love contradictions, anything and everything that forces > us to re-evaluate the so-called truth of the matter. > > In any event, if I recall my interaction with this reviewer > correctly, I was raving about the process by which I created some > tune of mine, and the other person basically didn't care...it was > all about the final output...they didn't like it (how it made him/ > her feel), and no amount of information regarding "how" the > composition was created would change his/her feelings. I don't > think there is anything right or wrong with this way of thinking/ > feeling...it is just a facet of the diversity of human emotion and > the thought (or lack thereof) that goes into liking music. Again, > I think it is just how peoples' brains are wired. I have to remind > myself of this frequently when people try to understand or react to > anything I compose that involves looping and improvisation. Some > people just aren't concerned with the process of the composition, > but the inherent properties of the composition itself. We can't > force or obligate anyone include the non-intrinsic characteristics > of a a piece of music in their emotional judgement of the music. > And if you think about it, if someone, many years from now (or an > alien from another world) were to find a CD that had a bunch of our > looping music on it, but there was no literature that explained the > process by which we created the music, all this being might be have > to base their affinity or lack of affinity with the music IS the > output itself and the raw, intrinsic characteristics of the music. > We wouldn't have the luxury of them knowing how we created the > music to appreciate the process and hard work involved in that > facet of the composition. So it appears to me that there are > intrinsic and non-intrinsic characteristics that we can pack, or > not pack into a concept that defines a piece of music....or any > "thing" for that matter. Sometimes we grow so fond of the non- > intrinsic characteristics of music, that we begin to believe > ourselves that they are really intrinsic properties of the music... > or at least we talk in a way that implies this; whereas > philosophically, we can't really maintain this position. > > Thanks for providing the spring-board for me to wander, Monica. :) > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 13:10:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 265793BFA8; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:10:49 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADE3@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: zen and the fluent music thread-index: AcWLfbzal2EIOlsySGu1KPsIP+UNHQADkjxA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2005 13:10:51.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EF84A20:01C58B9A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Luis, you hit the nail on the head about being booked at the right places. I don't know what it's like in bigger cities or other countries, but here where I live finding a venue where I can play remotely experimental music is a delicate matter. For instance, I played in a world fusion band for a few years, where I played acoustic guitar and sitar, and we played at this Mediterranean restaurant frequently. We played a mixture of Indian, Middle-Eastern, African, or just "worldly" fusion like tunes. They loved us and the place was always jam packed...we even played outside, and we attracted people from 6 bocks away. People just went bizarre over that music. When the group split up, I decided to go back and play at the venue as a solo looper. I made the mistake of trying some more experimental type looping music that didn't have the recognizable melodies in Western, Middle-Eastern, or Eastern music. They never asked me back. Yet four blocks away, I was playing highly experimental looping music on a regular basis at a very liberal-minded, vegetarian restaurant, where whatever I played, I was always accepted with great admiration and compliments. I find that most venues here, and the people that frequent them, just aren't that open to really experimental music, and this doesn't surprise or disappointed me necessarily (I accept it whole heartedly as a part of the bell curve of listenability in a city with only 200K people and in a very conservative state); rather it's just an added challenge for me to find venues to play the music I want to play. In my new promo pack and bio, I state that I frequently play venues that are associated with the arts (like exhibits, galleries, art festivals) or venues that foster diverse human discourse (like coffee shops, etc). Those are the sort of venues that I find are more open to experimental looping music lately. And even the coffee shops here are pushing it, as they are frequented by a generally conservative crowd. I play at an Italian restaurant a once a month, and occasionally I can slip in something experimental, but I have to do so with some restraint and caution. I've just learned how to read venue owners and crowds when it comes to this more extreme form of music. I try a little bit, observe the reaction, and then go one way or another, depending on the reaction. Sometimes I might get a comments like "Well that was interesting" but implicitly saying, "Now go back to playing that other nice stuff you were playing before." But I don't expect to waltz into a traditional restaurant and start looping atonal, non-rhythmic music with a ring modulator and pitch shifter set at a minor second interval! Even though this is the style of music I prefer to play most often.=20 The above is also why when I play a brand new venue, I always bring my jazz Real books with me...then at least if I get into trouble or I'm getting strange glares, I can play the standards, like Autumn Leaves, Take the A Train, Days of Wine and Roses, etc. I've never found anyone who objected to me playing traditional jazz. Or I find that noodling around with open G, C, A, E, and D chords, with some "pretty" and predictable improvised melodies is always a crowd pleaser too...basically anything I can play in my sleep. :) =20 I would be curious to here from others, who live in bigger cities of at least 500,000. How many public venues do you know of where you can play really experimental music and be called back to play on a regular basis? And I don't mean "experimental" in the sense of just improvising with looping technology, playing in odd time signatures, or using non-traditional instrument, but music that really pushes the limits of popular listenability. Any Bay Area or New Yorkers want to comment? Heck, I saw the circuit benders at Y2K4 last year...where are you guys playing on a regular basis? And Matt Davignon's music is pretty far out...he must be finding some recurring venues.=20 Kris -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 3:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music Well Kris thats great man,you are looping backwards;-) is usually the other way around the more popular musicians get(or enter the professional artistry)the more they make compromises! if you enjoy what you are doing and do it well,there is not much that can go wrong,also being booked in the right places is very important...but there is no denying that we all crave recognition and attention. Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > I'd say this is "a problem" everyone has. It's a choice every artist=20 > has to make; to play for himself or to adapt his expression. > Personally I tend to play for myself and the musicians I like to=20 > listen to also do that. Devotion seems to radiate and it appears as=20 > most audiences actually are more interested in someone doing it for=20 > himself than an player that bases his expression partly on what he=20 > thinks the listener expects him to deliver. As long as you manage to=20 > stay away from professional artistry this is all a piece of pancake. > It may be more difficult to maintain that attitude among investors and > brokers. You have to be ruthless to be true. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jul 17, 2005, at 7:04, Hartung, Kris wrote: >=20 > > The question is, how long can I maintain it? I'm > not sure how long > > I can > > maintain concern and interest in pleasing an > audience....as I find > > myself getting more self-indulgent and > introspective in my playing > > over > > the years. Does anyone else have this problem? I > think the looping > > as a > > soloist brought this out in me more...it's very > easy for me to get > > lost > > in myself up there with the EDPs and my > instrument. I don't know > > why, I > > just find my feelings gravitating toward more and > more abstract and > > obscure composition. > > > > Kris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nemoguitt@verizon.net > [mailto:nemoguitt@verizon.net] > > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 5:33 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: RE: zen and the fluent music > > > > I can tell a > > > >> story that is completey atonal, and that is not > appealing to > >> everyone. > >> I can also tell a story that is very "pretty" and > melodic. That seems > >> to attract a lot of people. I can see it in their > faces and eyes > >> when I > >> > > > > > >> play and watch them...it's like an experiment. > >> > > > > > > i see you already do both.....there ya go!.....mic > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 13:23:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 186D93BFB1; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1121693005.42dbad4dc6d93@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:23:25 +0200 From: ml@dadaprod.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a solo looping band: pb with feedback! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 194.153.110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Like many of you, I am now able to play my music live in solo, with the help of looping gear. In order to create interisting sound I used a guitar plus several acoustic instruments like a glockenspiel and a melodica. My problem is when I play live (no problem with headphone at home), I've got serious feedback when I add several layers of acoustic instruments! I am working with a boomerang (v1.0) wich is placed at the aux send of a little beringer. My guitar is connected to this beringer throuh a Pod (line 6) and I record acoustic instruments (my voice too) with a sm57 microphone also connected to the mix table.. Has anyone any idea how I can improve all this? the best will probably be to have several loopers but then I will have another problem with synchronising all together I don't know if we can nowadays looping with our foot in real time with a computer? thank you stephane --- hear what I am doing? http://brazil.dadaprod.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 13:35:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77F6E3BFB0; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: FCB1010/EDP Question Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:35:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Any ideas on why the display on the FCB reads F1 after pedal calibration, even though I have the midi out connected to the midi in of my edp? I am also having no luck getting the FCB to "see" my Echoplex. Im certian the cable is working fine? I have used a FCB before and it worked fine. The pedal was made in 06/04 so the firmware should be fine. The Channels are all set to one, as is the edp. Any Ideas? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 14:05:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 701D23BFBF; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1121695516!19195820!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2A0@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: means to an end (was "the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm") Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:07:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C58BA1.FD68B360" Resent-Message-ID: <8yBwgD.A.PxE.fc72CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:05:20 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58BA1.FD68B360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>It has to do with the "process" involved with creating music vs. the just the output by and in itself. It must be how peoples' brains work when they try to understand music, but I have met some people who are only interested in the nature of the final sonic output of a composition, and not "how" or the process by which it was created. [snip] I was raving about the process by which I created some tune of mine, and the other person basically didn't care...it was all about the final output...<< if your listener is only concerned with the end-product, & not the torture (or otherwise) involved in bringing it to life, then they are missing a whole emotional dimension of the work in question. I bet they don't read sleevenotes either. they aren't appreciating the effort, the frustrations, the hours of blistering practice sessions, the years of study..... the thousands of dollars you've spent on toys to be able to do what you do. in short, your emotional investment is meaningless to them. & this is true of the "won't"s, aswell as the "can't"s. is it valid to appreciate the music entirely disregarding how it got there? even if one were to accept that a musician is just a "channel" for some higher entity, & that the music comes through rather than is made by him, his listener in choosing to remain ignorant of this process is being a bit disrespectful, no? I often wonder about this when considering the experiences of live show vs recording, whether this latter is studio-crafted or off-the-board-at-a-live-show. I might look into the audience while we're playing, & most of them are either looking somewhere else or have their eyes shut. fair enough, I think, well at least they know we're here & that it took us some effort to get here with our stuff & set it all up, & hopefully they can also tell we're improvising. well.... can they? how does an innocent bystander, musician or no, tell when you are improvising? is it easier to tell if it's a solo artist or a group playing? & how much does it matter if they simply don't care? we have some fans who turn up to every gig no matter what it costs them to get there, & some other fans who wouldn't come see us live if we played in their back garden. including a label boss, in fact, who's never seen us play live. I think I need to do some research on this. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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>>It has to do with the "process" involve= d with creating music vs. the just the output by and in itself. It must be = how peoples' brains work when they try to understand music, but I have met = some people who are only interested in the nature of the final sonic output= of a composition, and not "how" or the process by which it was c= reated. [snip]

I was raving about the process by which I created some tu= ne of mine, and the other person basically didn't care...it was all about t= he final output...<<

if your listener is only concerned with the end-product, = & not the torture (or otherwise) involved in bringing it to life, then = they are missing a whole emotional dimension of the work in question.

I bet they don't read sleevenotes either.
 
they aren't appreciating the effort, the frustrations, t= he hours of blistering practice sessions, the years of study..... the thous= ands of dollars you've spent on toys to be able to do what you do.

in short, your emotional investment is meaningless to the= m.
& this is true of the "won't"s, aswell as = the "can't"s.

is it valid to appreciate the music entirely disregarding= how it got there? even if one were to accept that a musician is just a &qu= ot;channel" for some higher entity, & that the music comes through= rather than is made by him, his listener in choosing to remain ignorant of= this process is being a bit disrespectful, no?

I often wonder about this when considering the experience= s of live show vs recording, whether this latter is studio-crafted or off-t= he-board-at-a-live-show.

I might look into the audience while we're playing, &= most of them are either looking somewhere else or have their eyes shut.

fair enough, I think, well at least they know we're here = & that it took us some effort to get here with our stuff & set it a= ll up, & hopefully they can also tell we're improvising.

well.... can they? how does an innocent bystander, musici= an or no, tell when you are improvising? is it easier to tell if it's a sol= o artist or a group playing? & how much does it matter if they simply d= on't care?

we have some fans who turn up to every gig no matter what= it costs them to get there, & some other fans who wouldn't come see us= live if we played in their back garden. including a label boss, in fact, w= ho's never seen us play live. I think I need to do some research on this.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C58BA1.FD68B360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 14:59:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97EDB3BF65; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050718105916.ilqba4wqihdcs0co@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:59:16 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: means to an end (was "the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm") References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2A0@lon-oxmail02> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2A0@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:59:19 +0000 (UTC) IMHO, I think we're expecting too much here. I would LOVE for people to know what goes into my music, or into my writing or into my engineering, or into my artwork, buuuuut.... Our work is the sum output of what we put into it. The music carries the history in all it's veiled glory. Music (for that matter most art) in most cultures,stands on its own to a greater extent and that's how we should expect others to interpret it. Sometimes the process and final form are intriguing in that the listener or viewer says, "I didn't know you could get x by doing y". Yet, when music is heard at a function, on a radio, etc. we don't (and often can't) pass out little flyers explaining every little bit of info going into the art unless the process is the focus-pure and simple. While loopers are process oriented folks taking pride in the techniques, the guts and the glory, to the rest it's music, or art, or.... For me personally, I think music should take their thoughts off my stuff, off my toys, off my techniques and focus on the deeper aspects of Mystery. While people may be intrigued by how I do my music and wowed by the fact that "it sounded like 5 guitars playing at once," in the end, if they were moved and pondered *THEIR* existences, *THEIR* lives and perceived beauty and wonder in all their senses in spite of the fact that only one sense was stimulated, I've done what I've set out to do. ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com Quoting goddard.duncan@mtvne.com: >>> It has to do with the "process" involved with creating music vs. >>> the just the output by and in itself. It must be how peoples' >>> brains work when they try to understand music, but I have met some >>> people who are only interested in the nature of the final sonic >>> output of a composition, and not "how" or the process by which it >>> was created. [snip] > I was raving about the process by which I created some tune of mine, > and the other person basically didn't care...it was all about the > final output...<< > > if your listener is only concerned with the end-product, & not the > torture (or otherwise) involved in bringing it to life, then they are > missing a whole emotional dimension of the work in question. > I bet they don't read sleevenotes either. > > they aren't appreciating the effort, the frustrations, the hours of > blistering practice sessions, the years of study..... the thousands > of dollars you've spent on toys to be able to do what you do. > in short, your emotional investment is meaningless to them. > & this is true of the "won't"s, aswell as the "can't"s. > > is it valid to appreciate the music entirely disregarding how it got > there? even if one were to accept that a musician is just a "channel" > for some higher entity, & that the music comes through rather than is > made by him, his listener in choosing to remain ignorant of this > process is being a bit disrespectful, no? > > I often wonder about this when considering the experiences of live > show vs recording, whether this latter is studio-crafted or > off-the-board-at-a-live-show. > I might look into the audience while we're playing, & most of them > are either looking somewhere else or have their eyes shut. > fair enough, I think, well at least they know we're here & that it > took us some effort to get here with our stuff & set it all up, & > hopefully they can also tell we're improvising. > > well.... can they? how does an innocent bystander, musician or no, > tell when you are improvising? is it easier to tell if it's a solo > artist or a group playing? & how much does it matter if they simply > don't care? > > we have some fans who turn up to every gig no matter what it costs > them to get there, & some other fans who wouldn't come see us live if > we played in their back garden. including a label boss, in fact, > who's never seen us play live. I think I need to do some research on > this. > > duncan. > > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *************************************************************************** > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 15:33:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F6523BF5B; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XjDGmyjF8devkPV1mb9i8m90Ycxa+AwZTnhaFQb0IekgUmdrArxpefi5srrk0I8kyBpFCv7plttJ/BEGvvGVWaht9+wsuSS6QWVlTx3Ub85eeKRWvt9QqtVWrC4yQpnZHXJ+FykGuZnrdbrJkewJTykfkuLIYlMxdoPGD8/S3xI= ; Message-ID: <20050718153335.49706.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:33:35 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: means to an end (was "the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2A0@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-779414910-1121700815=:45980" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:33:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-779414910-1121700815=:45980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit in the end of the creative process,are we the artist satisfied?if one does reach a enlightening artistic state of bliss...is that enough?(tree falls and no one to hear it syndrome)lol.if the artist makes it look too easy will the ideal listener think less of a composition?just a nuerotic paranioa? scary visionary. goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>It has to do with the "process" involved with creating music vs. the just the output by and in itself. It must be how peoples' brains work when they try to understand music, but I have met some people who are only interested in the nature of the final sonic output of a composition, and not "how" or the process by which it was created. [snip] I was raving about the process by which I created some tune of mine, and the other person basically didn't care...it was all about the final output...<< if your listener is only concerned with the end-product, & not the torture (or otherwise) involved in bringing it to life, then they are missing a whole emotional dimension of the work in question. I bet they don't read sleevenotes either. they aren't appreciating the effort, the frustrations, the hours of blistering practice sessions, the years of study..... the thousands of dollars you've spent on toys to be able to do what you do. in short, your emotional investment is meaningless to them. & this is true of the "won't"s, aswell as the "can't"s. is it valid to appreciate the music entirely disregarding how it got there? even if one were to accept that a musician is just a "channel" for some higher entity, & that the music comes through rather than is made by him, his listener in choosing to remain ignorant of this process is being a bit disrespectful, no? I often wonder about this when considering the experiences of live show vs recording, whether this latter is studio-crafted or off-the-board-at-a-live-show. I might look into the audience while we're playing, & most of them are either looking somewhere else or have their eyes shut. fair enough, I think, well at least they know we're here & that it took us some effort to get here with our stuff & set it all up, & hopefully they can also tell we're improvising. well.... can they? how does an innocent bystander, musician or no, tell when you are improvising? is it easier to tell if it's a solo artist or a group playing? & how much does it matter if they simply don't care? we have some fans who turn up to every gig no matter what it costs them to get there, & some other fans who wouldn't come see us live if we played in their back garden. including a label boss, in fact, who's never seen us play live. I think I need to do some research on this. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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in the end of the creative process,are we the artist satisfied?if one does reach a enlightening artistic state of bliss...is that enough?(tree falls and no one to hear it syndrome)lol.if the artist makes it look too easy will the ideal listener think less of a composition?just a nuerotic paranioa?                 scary visionary.

goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:

>>It has to do with the "process" involved with creating music vs. the just the output by and in itself. It must be how peoples' brains work when they try to understand music, but I have met some people who are only interested in the nature of the final sonic output of a composition, and not "how" or the process by which it was created. [snip]

I was raving about the process by which I created some tune of mine, and the other person basically didn't care...it was all about the final output...<<

if your listener is only concerned with the end-product, & not the torture (or otherwise) involved in bringing it to life, then they are missing a whole emotional dimension of the work in question.

I bet they don't read sleevenotes either.
 
they aren't appreciating the effort, the frustrations, the hours of blistering practice sessions, the years of study..... the thousands of dollars you've spent on toys to be able to do what you do.

in short, your emotional investment is meaningless to them.
& this is true of the "won't"s, aswell as the "can't"s.

is it valid to appreciate the music entirely disregarding how it got there? even if one were to accept that a musician is just a "channel" for some higher entity, & that the music comes through rather than is made by him, his listener in choosing to remain ignorant of this process is being a bit disrespectful, no?

I often wonder about this when considering the experiences of live show vs recording, whether this latter is studio-crafted or off-the-board-at-a-live-show.

I might look into the audience while we're playing, & most of them are either looking somewhere else or have their eyes shut.

fair enough, I think, well at least they know we're here & that it took us some effort to get here with our stuff & set it all up, & hopefully they can also tell we're improvising.

well.... can they? how does an innocent bystander, musician or no, tell when you are improvising? is it easier to tell if it's a solo artist or a group playing? & how much does it matter if they simply don't care?

we have some fans who turn up to every gig no matter what it costs them to get there, & some other fans who wouldn't come see us live if we played in their back garden. including a label boss, in fact, who's never seen us play live. I think I need to do some research on this.

duncan.



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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-779414910-1121700815=:45980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 15:55:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E03243BF60; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: means to an end (was "the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm") Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:54:55 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FAE64@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: means to an end (was "the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm") thread-index: AcWLocf+i/E53LveSai3IOEbAVZSmAADD4QQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2005 15:54:58.0946 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CC24E20:01C58BB1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:55:01 +0000 (UTC) >> if your listener is only concerned with the end-product, & not the torture (or otherwise) involved in bringing it to life, then they are missing a whole emotional dimension of the work in question. I bet they don't read sleevenotes either. they aren't appreciating the effort, the frustrations, the hours of blistering practice sessions, the years of study..... the thousands of dollars you've spent on toys to be able to do what you do. in short, your emotional investment is meaningless to them.=20 & this is true of the "won't"s, aswell as the "can't"s.=20 >> is it valid to appreciate the music entirely disregarding how it got there? even if one were to accept that a musician is just a "channel" for some higher entity, & that the music comes through rather than is made by him, his listener in choosing to remain ignorant of this process is being a bit disrespectful, no?=20 Good question. From an emotional perspective, I am inclined to agree with you here that a listener disregarding the process by which you create your art is less than desirable, and even bordering disrespectful. However, from an intellectual standpoint, I'd say that this limited perspective of viewing music is still a valid one. And I only say this because I am not prepared to construct a sound argument that clearly demonstrates that listeners are obligated to consider the process by which a piece of art was created in their decision as to whether they like or dislike it. I would challenge anyone in this discussion group, in fact, to outline an argument consisting of a set of premises (statements) that imply this obligation/conclusion. I think if this could be done, one could probably publish his or her findings in some philosophical journal of aesthetics. I think this is part of the enterprise of artistic expression....it isn't physics, mathematics, or symbolic logic when it comes to prescribing guidelines for how to react to music. In fact, I would venture to say that we are totally unjustified in setting any of these sort of guidelines whatsoever. I tend to side with William S. Burroughs with his quote "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." When it comes to the area of values and art, I am in total agreement with this statement.=20 > I often wonder about this when considering the experiences of live show vs recording, whether this latter is studio-crafted or off-the-board-at-a-live-show.=20 Same here. I'm just a process oriented guy...the same at work. I like the design aspect of the programs I manage, but when it is time to implement, I lose interest. > I might look into the audience while we're playing, & most of them are either looking somewhere else or have their eyes shut.=20 > fair enough, I think, well at least they know we're here & that it took us some effort to get here with our stuff & set it all up, & hopefully they can also tell we're improvising. The improvising clarification is important to me. I usually try to explain at some point in time during a performance that what I'm doing is improvised on the spot, just to catch the interest of those who are in to this sort of thing. =20 > well.... can they? how does an innocent bystander, musician or no, tell when you are improvising? is it easier to tell if it's a solo artist or a group playing? & how much does it matter if they simply don't care? In principle, one wouldn't be able to tell. Good point. You made me think of something funny. I once had another guitarist sit in with me, and I improvised this tune out of nowhere....I never played it again. Then one day I went to one of this shows, and he was playing my tune as a cover, and he gave me credit for it. I thought it was hilarious that I hadn't even played the tune again since the first performance! Actually, the idea of people covering my spontaneous compositions is sort of flattering. And occasionally, I strike upon something that I like so much, I will do it again at another show, like some small motif, etc. > we have some fans who turn up to every gig no matter what it costs them to get there, & some other fans who wouldn't come see us live if we played in their back garden. including a label boss, in fact, who's never seen us play live. I think I need to do some research on this. Same here...interesting, isn't it? I have come to really appreciate those folks who come to almost every performance. For the folks who have never been to any of my performances, I just recently yanked them off my distribution list. It saves all of us a lot of time. :) duncan.=20 ************************************************************************ *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe ************************************************************************ *** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 16:11:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41FE53BF70; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: a solo looping band: pb with feedback! Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:10:49 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FAE80@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: a solo looping band: pb with feedback! thread-index: AcWLm+ISjAanbzXdSKiptvIcZNMNIwAFkkXw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2005 16:10:51.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[448AC880:01C58BB3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:11:19 +0000 (UTC) My Top 10 list to reduce feedback of acoustic instruments when looping: 1. Be sure the mics aren't pointing anywhere toward the speakers, even if they are in front of you 2. Move the mic closer to the sound source so you can turn the sensitivity down and close the feedback loop 3. If you are using an acoustic guitar like me, go direct and use a sound hole cover 4. Try to find the offending frequency that is feeding back on the instrument, and notch it out with a parametric EQ (or if you don't have a parametic, try notching the mid, treble, or bass on your mixer board...you might get lucky. 5. Buy a feedback eliminator (like Sabine) 6. Turn down 7. Try a higher or mid-range quality, directional condensor mic 8. Buy mini condensor mics and clip them to the sound source (means you have to mic every instrument rather than using one mic to capture many...which requires more space between the mic and instruments, and thus creates more potential for feedback) 9. Last resort, don't mic the instrument(s) 10. Take some artistic liscence and built the feedback into your show! :) Kris -----Original Message----- From: ml@dadaprod.org [mailto:ml@dadaprod.org]=20 Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 7:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a solo looping band: pb with feedback! Hello, Like many of you, I am now able to play my music live in solo, with the help of looping gear. In order to create interisting sound I used a guitar plus several acoustic instruments like a glockenspiel and a melodica. My problem is when I play live (no problem with headphone at home), I've got serious feedback when I add several layers of acoustic instruments! I am working with a boomerang (v1.0) wich is placed at the aux send of a little beringer. My guitar is connected to this beringer throuh a Pod (line 6) and I record acoustic instruments (my voice too) with a sm57 microphone also connected to the mix table.. Has anyone any idea how I can improve all this? the best will probably be to have several loopers but then I will have another problem with synchronising all together I don't know if we can nowadays looping with our foot in real time with a computer? thank you stephane --- hear what I am doing? http://brazil.dadaprod.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 16:13:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5986E3BF6D; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Watching unpleasant music Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:13:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <769DFBC3-9CCD-4A9A-9221-A2BAFBA13610@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 thread-index: AcWLlQy88V6XHv/vQNKv5y1RzizRgAAHhUBQ Message-Id: <20050718161331.SRIA1367.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:13:41 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm Makes me remember last year when I was reminded (by the advertising at a festival I was attending) that "some music is interesting because it sounds unpleasant". That line really made me stop and think for a while. Now, related to Kris' post you should not forget that some people listen to music to gain feelings of well being, while others may also listen to music as a way of undertaking a risky somewhat painful journey to explore unknown territories. According to your definitions, Kris, I guess I'm the kind of person that don't care much about how some music was created. Of course an exception is conceptual arts, but then it's up to the artist to make any important concept explicit to the consumer. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen When there is something to watch that relates to the music generation process, folks are more inclined to pay attention. One problem with electronic music (I reckon that's most of us) is that there is less to watch. God bless 'em, they just can't pay attention. Gary PS I am in San Diego, where mediocrity is king. It's tough playing interesting music anywhere. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 16:37:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 809D13BF6D; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:37:31 -0600 Message-Id: <200507181637.j6IGbVJ32269@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: RE: means to an end (was "the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm") X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:37:30 +0000 (UTC) > >> is it valid to appreciate the music entirely disregarding how it got > there? even if one were to accept that a musician is just a "channel" > for some higher entity, & that the music comes through rather than is > made by him, his listener in choosing to remain ignorant of this process > is being a bit disrespectful, no? > > Good question. From an emotional perspective, I am inclined to agree > with you here that a listener disregarding the process by which you > create your art is less than desirable, and even bordering > disrespectful. With no offense meant, this seems like an incredibly arrogant place to be coming from in your artistic work(s). Just to enlarge upon this idea a bit; would a person who doesn't understand what lenses, type of film and aperture settings were used and doesn't really care be somehow disrespectful of the photo and the photographer? Would they be suspect in simply enjoying the image and taking some pleasure in viewing it without investing the time and energy in learning about the origin and process of that photo? I know that the process of making music is endlessly fascinating to those of us on this list, but to ask that any potential audience you may have be educated and equally interested in knowing how hard it is to configure the bazillion processors in parallel (or how long it took to master that scale) so you could make that one sound is asking a bit much I think. Disrespectful? Talking during a performance might be but not being concerned with the human drama behind the art? Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 16:56:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E113E3BF70; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-8408-1121705771-0001-2" Message-Id: <42DBDF2F.00003B.03600@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:56:15 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FAE80@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: a solo looping band: pb with feedback! X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:56:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-8408-1121705771-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-8408-1121705771-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-8408-1121705771-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having done stage work with several years with Pearl Jam and Red Hot Chil= i Pepper, I'd have to say, =0D Kris, This list is correct! EQ and Direct are the top two. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D My Top 10 list to reduce feedback of acoustic instruments when looping:=0D =0D 1. Be sure the mics aren't pointing anywhere toward the speakers, even=0D if they are in front of you=0D 2. Move the mic closer to the sound source so you can turn the=0D sensitivity down and close the feedback loop=0D 3. If you are using an acoustic guitar like me, go direct and use a=0D sound hole cover=0D 4. Try to find the offending frequency that is feeding back on the=0D instrument, and notch it out with a parametric EQ (or if you don't have=0D a parametic, try notching the mid, treble, or bass on your mixer=0D board...you might get lucky.=0D 5. Buy a feedback eliminator (like Sabine)=0D 6. Turn down=0D 7. Try a higher or mid-range quality, directional condensor mic=0D 8. Buy mini condensor mics and clip them to the sound source (means you=0D have to mic every instrument rather than using one mic to capture=0D many...which requires more space between the mic and instruments, and=0D thus creates more potential for feedback)=0D 9. Last resort, don't mic the instrument(s)=0D 10. Take some artistic liscence and built the feedback into your show!=0D :)=0D =0D Kris=0D =0D =0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: ml@dadaprod.org [mailto:ml@dadaprod.org]=0D Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 7:23 AM=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: a solo looping band: pb with feedback!=0D =0D =0D =0D Hello,=0D =0D Like many of you, I am now able to play my music live in solo, with the=0D help of looping gear. In order to create interisting sound I used a=0D guitar plus several acoustic instruments like a glockenspiel and a=0D melodica.=0D =0D My problem is when I play live (no problem with headphone at home), I've=0D got serious feedback when I add several layers of acoustic instruments!=0D =0D I am working with a boomerang (v1.0) wich is placed at the aux send of=0D a little beringer. My guitar is connected to this beringer throuh a Pod=0D (line 6) and I record acoustic instruments (my voice too) with a sm57=0D microphone also connected to the mix table..=0D =0D Has anyone any idea how I can improve all this?=0D =0D the best will probably be to have several loopers but then I will have=0D another problem with synchronising all together=0D =0D I don't know if we can nowadays looping with our foot in real time with=0D a computer?=0D =0D thank you=0D =0D stephane=0D =0D ---=0D hear what I am doing?=0D http://brazil.dadaprod.org=0D =20 --=_flawless.real.com-8408-1121705771-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
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Having done stage work with several years with Pearl Jam and Re= d Hot Chili Pepper, I'd have to say, 
    Kris, This list is correct!=  EQ and Direct are the top two.
 
 
 
 
My Top 10 list to reduce feedback of acoustic instruments when loopi= ng:
 
1. Be sure the mics aren't pointing anywhere toward the speakers, ev= en
if they are in front of you
2. Move the mic closer to the sound source so you can turn the
sensitivity down and close the feedback loop
3. If you are using an acoustic guitar like me, go direct and use a
sound hole cover
4. Try to find the offending frequency that is feeding back on the
instrument, and notch it out with a parametric EQ (= or if you don't have
a parametic, try notching the mid, treble, or bass on your mixer
board...you might get lucky.
5. Buy a feedback eliminator (like Sabine)
6.  Turn down
7. Try a higher or mid-range quality, directional condensor mic
8. Buy  mini condensor mics and clip them to the sound sou= rce (means you
have to mic every instrument rather than using one mic to capture
many...which requires more space between the mic and instruments, an= d
thus creates more potential for feedback)
9. Last resort, don't mic the instrument(s)
10. Take some artistic liscence and built the feedback into your sho= w!
:)
 
Kris
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 7:23 AM
Subject: a solo looping band: pb with feedback!
 
 
 
Hello,
 
Like many of you, I am now able to play my music live in solo, with = the
help of looping gear. In order to create interisting sound I used a<= /DIV>
guitar plus several acoustic instruments like a glockenspiel and a
melodica.
 
My problem is when I play live (no problem with headphone at home), = I've
got serious feedback when I add several layers of acoustic instrumen= ts!
 
I am working with a boomerang (v1.0) wich is placed  at th= e aux send of
a little beringer. My guitar is connected to this beringer throuh a = Pod
(line 6) and I record acoustic instruments (my voice too) with a sm5= 7
microphone also connected to the mix table..
 
Has anyone any idea how I can improve all this?
 
the best will probably be to have several loopers but then I will ha= ve
another problem with synchronising all together
 
I don't know if we can nowadays looping with our foot in real time w= ith
a computer?
 
thank you
 
stephane
 
---
hear what I am doing?
 
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point is, the repeater was supposed to be played = with using=20 one's hands. otherwise they would've designed it into a tiny 1/2-rack = box with=20 an enormous footswitch board, like... oh, I dunno.... the fcb-1010... to = drive=20 it with. 
 
...which seems to be the way about everyone here = uses ist=20 ;) 
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C58BCB.7283CF30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 17:05:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF7F83BF6D; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: means to an end (was "the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm") Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:05:12 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FAEBE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: means to an end (was "the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm") thread-index: AcWLtwGpeMEgg1C5S4+JXRT+woLywwAAZMRQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2005 17:05:14.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD8CD760:01C58BBA] Resent-Message-ID: <9S4kR.A.ymE.XF-2CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Kevin - I did qualify "from an emotional respective" and "borderline", did I not? I didn't say I or anyone should actually hold listeners accountable to understand the process by which I or they create music down to the gnat's ass. Let's put the ball back in your court. Is it arrogant to "feel" a certain way about how people interpret your music, yet not actually hold them accountable or demand of them that they take any action? I think emotion is on our side here. You can't demand how a person should feel. Also, I don't think everyone on the list would desire listeners to know every single detail of how they recorded or performed a piece, such as the very particular example you use regarding type of film, processors in parallel, etc. Speaking for myself, I'm just fine with people understanding two things: that my music is improvised, and that I'm using looping technology to create multiple layers of live guitar parts. That's it. That's all I need to get my point across and differentiate my music from other forms of non-improvised music. I never articulated any really technical or specific requirements on this form of understanding. And I also specifically stated that I believe both approaches to listening to music are valid. Hence, I'm not really advocating any categorical claims that require anyone to do anything.=20 To use your phrasing below, yes, I think it is perfectly acceptable for someone to enjoy the image and take pleasure it without investing time and energy in learning about the process. Why wouldn't this be acceptable? Are we laying down laws here? I also think it is acceptable for someone to want to understand the whole process behing the music. I think its acceptable for people to feel anything they want to feel about a piece of music, an artist, or what other people feel about their music. It's all acceptable, man....remember, it's not physics and mathematics. There are no objective rules here, IMO, just the empirical fact of the music and how people feel about it. We're just talking about what we would like here and how certain listener responses make us feel as artists. There's nothing wrong with that, unless we're living in a fascist world. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org]=20 Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 10:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: means to an end (was "the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm") > >> is it valid to appreciate the music entirely disregarding how it=20 > got there? even if one were to accept that a musician is just a "channel" > for some higher entity, & that the music comes through rather than is=20 > made by him, his listener in choosing to remain ignorant of this=20 > process is being a bit disrespectful, no? >=20 > Good question. From an emotional perspective, I am inclined to agree=20 > with you here that a listener disregarding the process by which you=20 > create your art is less than desirable, and even bordering=20 > disrespectful. With no offense meant, this seems like an incredibly arrogant place to be coming from in your artistic work(s). Just to enlarge upon this idea a bit; would a person who doesn't understand what lenses, type of film and aperture settings were used and doesn't really care be somehow disrespectful of the photo and the photographer? Would they be suspect in simply enjoying the image and taking some pleasure in viewing it without investing the time and energy in learning about the origin and process of that photo? I know that the process of making music is endlessly fascinating to those of us on this list, but to ask that any potential audience you may have be educated and equally interested in knowing how hard it is to configure the bazillion processors in parallel (or how long it took to master that scale) so you could make that one sound is asking a bit much I think. Disrespectful? Talking during a performance might be but not being concerned with the human drama behind the art? Kevin =20 How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 17:05:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A889E3BF95; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050718170526.99779.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:05:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: maybe yes, maybe know To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ab01c5896c$da3c37e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:05:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm here to please. --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Mark asked: > > "Was the "maybe know" slip on purpose? If so NICE, > if > not... NICE! ;)" > > Funny, but that was a brain fart but one I liked so > much that I put it into > my folder that I save of > potential song titles. Glad you liked it too. > ;-) > > rick. > > ps so nice that you are back participating at L.D. > again, Mark. You always > have interesting things to say. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 17:12:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9A473BF8A; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:12:15 -0600 Message-Id: <200507181712.j6IHCF125518@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: RE: means to an end (was "the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm") X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <2G02OC.A.C3E.kL-2CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Yes you did. I didn't read your response closely enough before I sent my message. Sorry about that. Anything before 10:00 am is still too early for me I'm afraid. > Kevin - I did qualify "from an emotional respective" and "borderline", > did I not? Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 17:19:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 403AF3BF9A; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050718171928.85054.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:19:28 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: in praise of looping with the Electrix Mo-FX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000401c58a17$784adc20$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:19:32 +0000 (UTC) I hear you Rainer, and that is the reason I got rid of my MO-FX and WarpFactory... however I miss them. One of the things I love about all the Electrix gear is the interface is so thoughtfully done and man are they designed to be played with... If you've got your hands full with a guitar, it becomes moot and yes, you can do all that with other gear. My MO-FX was replaced by the significantly more capable Lexicon MPX-1 but there was a long, long ramp up time before I was comfortable using the MPX-1, where the MO-FX is something that can be taken out of the box and used with barely opening the manual. Same holds true for the Repeater in most aspects. I was looping with it before I read the manual. In hind site I'd describe the MO-FX as an instrument or performance orientated effect, where as other boxes are less adept at such things and must be hooked to some sort of midi control interface (see: more real estate) to get the same deal. So as a guitarest I choose to put that real estate on the floor. I think Electrix was really going for the DJ/Electronic musician crowd when they designed these little boxes, not guitarists. Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I still have the repeater (can't get rid of it it > seems ;) and also used > to own a filter factory. What I always hated about > the Electrix boxes is > that they take two HU, most of the time for an > effect I wouldn't even > donate half a rackspace for. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 17:21:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34C8B3BF9A; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1121707303!20554878!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2A4@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: means to an end (was "the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm") Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:23:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C58BBD.6D470D60" Resent-Message-ID: <9mznbD.A.NOF.rU-2CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:21:47 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58BBD.6D470D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>With no offense meant, this seems like an incredibly arrogant place to be coming from in your artistic work(s). Just to enlarge upon this idea a bit; would a person who doesn't understand what lenses, type of film and aperture settings were used and doesn't really care be somehow disrespectful of the photo and the photographer? Would they be suspect in simply enjoying the image and taking some pleasure in viewing it without investing the time and energy in learning about the origin and process of that photo? I know that the process of making music is endlessly fascinating to those of us on this list, but to ask that any potential audience you may have be educated and equally interested in knowing how hard it is to configure the bazillion processors in parallel (or how long it took to master that scale) so you could make that one sound is asking a bit much I think. Disrespectful? Talking during a performance might be but not being concerned with the human drama behind the art?<< none taken, kevin. an excellent point.... except.... I've never really regarded photography as (ok, arrogant again perhaps) ART /in the same sense/ as musical composition or, say, painting. it's art, alright, but it's still just snapping away until you get a good one, isn't it? :-) I think if you were to replace photography with painting in y'r analogy, the argument would be weaker. thus, the photographer is analogous to a recording engineer or maybe producer in that he captures what is already there, albeit from a more interesting angle than you or I could have managed, & with some interesting filters or whatever. whereas y'r painter has had to start from scratch. ditto y'r composer. anyway, my interest in this subject is not borne out of wanting more appreciation for the labour that goes into my band's outpourings. not at all. it's because my own perspective is skewed- by being a musician, by being an engineer, by being innately curious about how things work & why. I am fascinated by, & somewhat envious of, those who can appreciate music without being the slightest bit bothered about how it got there. my opinions in this area will vary with mileage. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>With no offense meant, this seems like an incredi= bly arrogant place to
be coming from in your artistic work(s).  Just to e= nlarge upon this idea
a bit; would a person who doesn't understand what lenses= , type of film
and aperture settings were used and doesn't really care = be somehow
disrespectful of the photo and the photographer?  W= ould they be suspect
in simply enjoying the image and taking some pleasure in= viewing it
without investing the time and energy in learning about = the origin and
process of that photo?  I know that the process of = making music is
endlessly fascinating to those of us on this list, but t= o ask that any
potential audience you may have be educated and equally = interested in
knowing how hard it is to configure the bazillion proces= sors in parallel
(or how long it took to master that scale) so you could = make that one
sound is asking a bit much I think.  Disrespectful?=   Talking during a
performance might be but not being concerned with the hu= man drama behind
the art?<<

none taken, kevin. an excellent point.... except.... I've= never really regarded photography as (ok, arrogant again perhaps) ART /in = the same sense/ as musical composition or, say, painting. it's art, alright= , but it's still just snapping away until you get a good one, isn't it? :-)=

I think if you were to replace photography with painting = in y'r analogy, the argument would be weaker.
thus, the photographer is analogous to a recording engin= eer or maybe producer in that he captures what is already there, albeit fro= m a more interesting angle than you or I could have managed, & with som= e interesting filters or whatever.

whereas y'r painter has had to start from scratch. ditto = y'r composer.

anyway, my interest in this subject is not borne out of w= anting more appreciation for the labour that goes into my band's outpouring= s. not at all. it's because my own perspective is skewed- by being a musici= an, by being an engineer, by being innately curious about how things work &= amp; why.

I am fascinated by, & somewhat envious of, those who = can appreciate music without being the slightest bit bothered about how it = got there.

my opinions in this area will vary with mileage.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C58BBD.6D470D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 17:44:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5E653BF49; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:44:22 -0600 Message-Id: <200507181744.j6IHiMO16237@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: RE: means to an end (was "the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm") X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:44:14 +0000 (UTC) > none taken, kevin. an excellent point.... except.... I've never really regarded photography as (ok, arrogant again perhaps) ART /in the same sense/ as musical composition or, say, painting. it's art, alright, but it's still just snapping away until you get a good one, isn't it? :-) > I think if you were to replace photography with painting in y'r analogy, the argument would be weaker. > thus, the photographer is analogous to a recording engineer or maybe producer in that he captures what is already there, albeit from a more interesting angle than you or I could have managed, & with some interesting filters or whatever. > whereas y'r painter has had to start from scratch. ditto y'r composer. That's funny, my first example was actually painting, but since I'm a photographer and not a painter, I thought I'd be safer talking about what I know intimately. Of course I have to disagree with your take on photography, but I guess it all depends on how you approach it (and there are many many types of phtography, even the things people snap with their cell phones are considered photographs). As for myself, I consider my photography far more of an art than my music so what can I say. I've never understood the appeal of taking pictures of people or landscapes though so I'm probably not in the mainstream of photographic art anyway. I could go on and on about the merits and intentions of photography as an art but I think that would be out of place on this list. > anyway, my interest in this subject is not borne out of wanting more appreciation for the labour that goes into my band's outpourings. not at all. it's because my own perspective is skewed- by being a musician, by being an engineer, by being innately curious about how things work & why. > I am fascinated by, & somewhat envious of, those who can appreciate music without being the slightest bit bothered about how it got there. > my opinions in this area will vary with mileage. Personally I find it really annoying when I can identify particular patches or equipment sounds in other peoples music (you'd think I'd be over DX-7 bell sounds by now but no, everytime I hear one its a pavlovian kind of response and not a good one). This is a sure fire way to be ejected from any actual appreciation of the music and into a completely different head space. Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 19:28:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103A63BF84; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OsRDX1RTIbFz+CzsARhCW3ge/zkZRkX56Tf/md4nzFXfY8Rokykl2Bd3WRjhXKuxG621RUxdCeuLn1I5MhzbmXC9Vy6b2Qzgb0qLmivvrQAO4qEzwoljPIafkVsB8AbBVdIUrLMxao5/WCc+F53gCM1bkOqY+ys8Q9+pa+dCXvw= ; Message-ID: <20050718192856.43673.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:28:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: a solo looping band: pb with feedback! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FAE80@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7bEXjC.A.0hD.6LA3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Reduce layers and make the few ones essential! Luis > Hello, > > Like many of you, I am now able to play my music > live in solo, with the > help of looping gear. In order to create interisting > sound I used a > guitar plus several acoustic instruments like a > glockenspiel and a > melodica. > > My problem is when I play live (no problem with > headphone at home), I've > got serious feedback when I add several layers of > acoustic instruments! > > I am working with a boomerang (v1.0) wich is placed > at the aux send of > a little beringer. My guitar is connected to this > beringer throuh a Pod > (line 6) and I record acoustic instruments (my voice > too) with a sm57 > microphone also connected to the mix table.. > > Has anyone any idea how I can improve all this? > > the best will probably be to have several loopers > but then I will have > another problem with synchronising all together > > I don't know if we can nowadays looping with our > foot in real time with > a computer? > > thank you > > stephane > > --- > hear what I am doing? > http://brazil.dadaprod.org > > www.luis-angulo.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 20:20:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CEDC3BF53; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yPvHi0EOmo0Ce7UsdbEuEOnh3pX7hQF2s+zd7bYCC6fKN+IAngusn36LP3aODsfgo74Lx/IeYbN7pNZTN6EmyeAB1sBvZAZ/fFzBChOyz+7gLA8W0dUxD5V3yC/OiMJyVTZVYI+Kb0/zXVUCkWwnOYXFRSQLJP+a9oSBhlQSn+c= ; Message-ID: <20050718202007.45853.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:20:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADE3@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Well man here in beautiful southern germany is not much different.This is province and a very turisty corner so people mostly want to hear the happy stuff.In my opinion the media is partly guilty.The radio stations are terrible here and everything has its system which for the most part prohibits flexibility.On the other hand i was in Tijuana Mexico in december last year and called the Radio Cultural Frontera to have an interview and introduced my new CD, and they gave me a whole hour broadcast on both sides of the border and played the whole damn CD! most of the places ive played here are owned by friends who enjoy what i do but they too ask when i am bringing the other band,which to a certain extent i can understand.But i must say i like having a Band where i can jam,sweat with other musicians,infect people with our music,and then having my self-indulgence project.Ive found this to be a very nice balance and in both situations i am playing what i like. Ive decided to play places i like and feel comfortable in,even if its once a year and to tell you the truth sometimes i rather not even get payed for it to avoid the expectations... but of course i am not going to let them know this;-) cheers Luis --- "Hartung, Kris" wrote: > Luis, you hit the nail on the head about being > booked at the right > places. I don't know what it's like in bigger > cities or other > countries, but here where I live finding a venue > where I can play > remotely experimental music is a delicate matter. > For instance, I played > in a world fusion band for a few years, where I > played acoustic guitar > and sitar, and we played at this Mediterranean > restaurant frequently. We > played a mixture of Indian, Middle-Eastern, African, > or just "worldly" > fusion like tunes. They loved us and the place was > always jam > packed...we even played outside, and we attracted > people from 6 bocks > away. People just went bizarre over that music. When > the group split up, > I decided to go back and play at the venue as a solo > looper. I made the > mistake of trying some more experimental type > looping music that didn't > have the recognizable melodies in Western, > Middle-Eastern, or Eastern > music. They never asked me back. Yet four blocks > away, I was playing > highly experimental looping music on a regular basis > at a very > liberal-minded, vegetarian restaurant, where > whatever I played, I was > always accepted with great admiration and > compliments. I find that > most venues here, and the people that frequent them, > just aren't that > open to really experimental music, and this doesn't > surprise or > disappointed me necessarily (I accept it whole > heartedly as a part of > the bell curve of listenability in a city with only > 200K people and in a > very conservative state); rather it's just an added > challenge for me to > find venues to play the music I want to play. > > In my new promo pack and bio, I state that I > frequently play venues that > are associated with the arts (like exhibits, > galleries, art festivals) > or venues that foster diverse human discourse (like > coffee shops, etc). > Those are the sort of venues that I find are more > open to experimental > looping music lately. And even the coffee shops here > are pushing it, as > they are frequented by a generally conservative > crowd. I play at an > Italian restaurant a once a month, and occasionally > I can slip in > something experimental, but I have to do so with > some restraint and > caution. I've just learned how to read venue owners > and crowds when it > comes to this more extreme form of music. I try a > little bit, observe > the reaction, and then go one way or another, > depending on the reaction. > Sometimes I might get a comments like "Well that was > interesting" but > implicitly saying, "Now go back to playing that > other nice stuff you > were playing before." But I don't expect to waltz > into a traditional > restaurant and start looping atonal, non-rhythmic > music with a ring > modulator and pitch shifter set at a minor second > interval! Even though > this is the style of music I prefer to play most > often. > > The above is also why when I play a brand new venue, > I always bring my > jazz Real books with me...then at least if I get > into trouble or I'm > getting strange glares, I can play the standards, > like Autumn Leaves, > Take the A Train, Days of Wine and Roses, etc. I've > never found anyone > who objected to me playing traditional jazz. Or I > find that noodling > around with open G, C, A, E, and D chords, with some > "pretty" and > predictable improvised melodies is always a crowd > pleaser > too...basically anything I can play in my sleep. :) > > > I would be curious to here from others, who live in > bigger cities of at > least 500,000. How many public venues do you know > of where you can play > really experimental music and be called back to play > on a regular basis? > And I don't mean "experimental" in the sense of just > improvising with > looping technology, playing in odd time signatures, > or using > non-traditional instrument, but music that really > pushes the limits of > popular listenability. Any Bay Area or New Yorkers > want to comment? > Heck, I saw the circuit benders at Y2K4 last > year...where are you guys > playing on a regular basis? And Matt Davignon's > music is pretty far > out...he must be finding some recurring venues. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 3:48 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music > > Well Kris thats great man,you are looping > backwards;-) is usually the > other way around the more popular musicians get(or > enter the > professional artistry)the more they make > compromises! > if you enjoy what you are doing and do it well,there > is not much that > can go wrong,also being booked in the right places > is very > important...but there is no denying that we all > crave recognition and > attention. > Luis > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > I'd say this is "a problem" everyone has. It's a > choice every artist > > has to make; to play for himself or to adapt his > expression. > > Personally I tend to play for myself and the > musicians I like to > > listen to also do that. Devotion seems to radiate > and it appears as > > most audiences actually are more interested in > someone doing it for > > himself than an player that bases his expression > partly on what he > > thinks the listener expects him to deliver. As > long as you manage to > > stay away from professional artistry this is all a > piece of pancake. > > It may be more difficult to maintain that attitude > among investors and > > > brokers. You have to be ruthless to be true. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 2005, at 7:04, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > > > > The question is, how long can I maintain it? I'm > > not sure how long > > > I can > > > maintain concern and interest in pleasing an > > audience....as I find > > > myself getting more self-indulgent and > > introspective in my playing > > > over > > > the years. Does anyone else have this problem? I > > think the looping > > > as a > > > soloist brought this out in me more...it's very > > easy for me to get > > > lost > > > in myself up there with the EDPs and my > > instrument. I don't know > > > why, I > > > just find my feelings gravitating toward more > and > > more abstract and > > > obscure composition. > > > > > > Kris > > > > === message truncated === www.luis-angulo.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 20:21:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 281653BF40; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:21:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pYhM6dnrpsIa14McPxtSmN+LBsUCjgko9a+xQpXvUO8QHO/LE2IboYT/Nf7SmJT+HYlDhgRrbNyvWr/2kYXsIQ+7KQiIW7JC7V+0p/evU07OVa8WlGluX1lu/QsdrGTD+LeOw0CD8H195GJKO4raZ0iWq1z8lEtkfLLW9+zd1g8= ; Message-ID: <20050718202108.6166.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: a solo looping band: pb with feedback! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1121693005.42dbad4dc6d93@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8WdgHD.A.ZnF.28A3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:21:11 +0000 (UTC) One thing I've found helpful has been to be able to control the mic signal with a volume pedal. There was a thread several years ago in which I asked if anyone knew of an xlr-equipped, low impedance volume pedal. I never did find one (or bother to wire one up) but I did get around the problem by putting a little preamp on my pedalboard (a midiman audio buddy) so that my mic'ed stuff goes SM57>preamp>volume pedal>mixing board. I've also used a Behringer Shark in place of the midiman, and it works ok too. The idea is to control the volume level to the looper; backing it off and looping silence at times to avoid the monolithic roar that can build up really quickly with an 'always-on' mic. It's not foolproof; one must still be very careful with monitor placement so that the loops don't re-enter the mic. (Acoustically, I mean; I have a lot of fun routing the loops back into themselves with the aux sends). Having a bit more control over what gets into the loop through the mic keeps the noise floor a little more tolerable. A bit of EQ tweaking can help a lot as well. Also, I've had pretty good results with putting contact mics/transducers on some of my otherwise acoustic instruments to avoid having to mic them. A piezo bar like you'd find under a guitar saddle is great under the bridge of a mbira; huge bass! -t- --- ml@dadaprod.org wrote: > My problem is when I play live (no problem with > headphone at home), I've got > serious feedback when I add several layers of > acoustic instruments! > > I am working with a boomerang (v1.0) wich is placed > at the aux send of a little > beringer. My guitar is connected to this beringer > throuh a Pod (line 6) and I > record acoustic instruments (my voice too) with a > sm57 microphone also > connected to the mix table.. > > Has anyone any idea how I can improve all this? ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 21:01:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EC7D3BF55; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JNFBh/qCx2suep+sk+G3ilodsjqaK9GGKu43aogIXH6to2HHFeHdshSah37/HK+ilSOtxmFHxT2g3jD5FIEV2qhRIizcVHefYbHta7gd+/X7161o4RFoKi4nesIt6ttnEtAD8FwJNY7OV/Z22HTxhqa4oeFFBF1MQtDzFrw/Ny4= ; Message-ID: <20050718210153.37932.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:01:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: a solo looping band: pb with feedback! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050718202108.6166.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2S86nC.A.nc.GjB3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Tim What kind of contact transducers do you use on your guitar? great tip,i want to get a marimbula and mike it with a fishman! Luis --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > One thing I've found helpful has been to be able to > control the mic signal with a volume pedal. There > was > a thread several years ago in which I asked if > anyone > knew of an xlr-equipped, low impedance volume pedal. > I > never did find one (or bother to wire one up) but I > did get around the problem by putting a little > preamp > on my pedalboard (a midiman audio buddy) so that my > mic'ed stuff goes SM57>preamp>volume pedal>mixing > board. I've also used a Behringer Shark in place of > the midiman, and it works ok too. The idea is to > control the volume level to the looper; backing it > off > and looping silence at times to avoid the monolithic > roar that can build up really quickly with an > 'always-on' mic. > > It's not foolproof; one must still be very careful > with monitor placement so that the loops don't > re-enter the mic. (Acoustically, I mean; I have a > lot > of fun routing the loops back into themselves with > the > aux sends). Having a bit more control over what gets > into the loop through the mic keeps the noise floor > a > little more tolerable. A bit of EQ tweaking can help > a > lot as well. > > Also, I've had pretty good results with putting > contact mics/transducers on some of my otherwise > acoustic instruments to avoid having to mic them. A > piezo bar like you'd find under a guitar saddle is > great under the bridge of a mbira; huge bass! > > -t- > > --- ml@dadaprod.org wrote: > > My problem is when I play live (no problem with > > headphone at home), I've got > > serious feedback when I add several layers of > > acoustic instruments! > > > > I am working with a boomerang (v1.0) wich is > placed > > at the aux send of a little > > beringer. My guitar is connected to this beringer > > throuh a Pod (line 6) and I > > record acoustic instruments (my voice too) with a > > sm57 microphone also > > connected to the mix table.. > > > > Has anyone any idea how I can improve all this? > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > www.luis-angulo.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 21:27:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE4D63BF72; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=krSxgxAGLElHUKGbdkR2ALD0KpJ6E7GzicFkyv1uSKOY04bgTm3qEzgrhQqcy2bgP+b+PTEy7R6Tilf0t2ka+Itx3gpCKPH1LDRRbXxOeXQCnL+ZzdYX3M680R3e07jmbGZCPKdFfHu113faAu6qDu0OkrDy4j3n//isYaOdQHA= ; Message-ID: <20050718212730.50932.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADA9@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:27:32 +0000 (UTC) this reminds me of a quote from the Pink Floyd´s Biography.Back in the Syd Barrett days when he darkside,they would get together and rehearse a new piece called "have you got it yet?" so there you had the guys sweating trying to following him,and they would stop him to clarify the chords everytime over again, but he´d change them again everytime they played it,and they were all getting pissed off until Roger Waters realized the bastard wasn´t that crazy;-) L.a --- "Hartung, Kris" wrote: > >"[Snip]... Only most musicians are hardly able to > play like that and > >claim that the public wants some ABACA... > structure... probably a > >reminder of old dance styles and polite forms... > and simply a help for > >the memory... easy composing... ?" > > > >Probably true, though it strikes me as odd based on > how my brain works > >with music. I actually find it easier to compose or > perform > >non-repetitive free improv, rather than music with > some structure. > >Building structure based on rules seems like a lot > of work! > > >>maybe you got me wrong here: > a repetitive base certainly makes improvisation > easier because you know > beforehand what will happen, to some degree. > > Yes, I understand, and for me it is still easier to > improv without this > repetitive base. Because of all the jazz theory > crammed in my brain, the > framework ends up being a restriction. Hence total > free improv, no > rules, no repetive base, nothing....that is easier > for me. And I > quality..."for me" here. I'm not making any claims > about anyone else's > comfort level. Give me a repeating ii-V-I > progression, and I'll burn > myself out improvising over it for an hour...give me > 3 hours of a blank > slate, and I can create indefinitly. > > >>in Brasil and probably other "hot" cultures, also > rock bands, a huge > part of the performances are just in between > composition and > improvisation: the musicians know the basic melody > and rhythm of a song > and improvise its structure. This could hardly work > without the ABA... > kind of tradition. > > >>to create a composition, repetition also helps. > sure its more work > than an improvisation, but try to remember a > composition that never > repeats! > > That would be difficult indeed! I've never played, > as a cover, any of > my past truly improvised songs. Just sitting down > and transcribing the > notes and movements would be so arduous that it > would render it a > pointless activity for me,. > > >The structure usually becomes a psychological > inhibitor for me, > >stifling creativity and freedom of expression. In > fact, I feel more at > >ease with myself as a musician and in tune with the > flow of things when > > >I pick up my guitar, randomly pick a note on the > fret board, and start > >playing as if I were having a conversation or > telling a story to > >someone....nothing really repeats...mostly notes... > maybe an occasional > > >dyad or triad to make a point, etc. It all depends > on what you want to > > >say. I like that looping that sort of thing for > about 2 minutes, then > >having a conversation with myself in > parallel....complementing the > >first version of the story with a parallel version, > which ends up > >creating a whole new story. > > > >yes, thats of the kind I am talking about. It > seems to me that for > most musicians this is somehow "to easy" to do, so > they dont see any > value. > but its what a huge part of the TV watchers are > looking for: talk shows > where they can see any kind of people improvise > express spontaneously. > So why would they not be able to follow your > talking? > > Exactly! I think "too easy to do" in this context > is a relative term. > Because there is a difference between just sitting > down and playing > random notes (like the goo goo gaa gaa of an infant) > and actually > spontaneously creating a meaningful composition. > Some people don't see > the value because they and we are comparing apples > and orange. Heck, if > it was just sitting down and playing random notes > with no taste or > meaning, I could have done that when I was 12 years > old, the year I > started playing guitar....better yet, when I was 8 > years old and just > banging on the instrument for fun! :) You may be > right...if the story > is there, folks will follow it. But sometimes it's > not the story that > attacts the common listener, but the harmonic > structure. I can tell a > story that is completey atonal, and that is not > appealing to everyone. I > can also tell a story that is very "pretty" and > melodic. That seems to > attract a lot of people. I can see it in their faces > and eyes when I > play and watch them...it's like an experiment. > > >>it becomes a lot more interesting if two or more > musicians talk > together and sometimes coincide marvelously and > sometimes have to deal > with clashes. > > True enough. > > >>As Keith Jarret is a genious in interpretation, he > also filled the > operas with his free improvisations, but if somebody > only plays such > impros, he has a hard time to get jobs, right? > > And Keith went on a whole tour with nothing but free > improv...no sheet > music or preconceptions, nothing. He just sat down > and played. I have > an interview of him describing this. Apparently, the > crowds were a > little uneasy with this approach at first, but it > was apparently > successful. Another example is Chick Corea and > Bobby McFerrin....they > also toured and did a lot of free improv that turned > out quite well. > Now Cecil Taylor is a different story. Whereas Chick > Corea and McFerrin > may appeal to the stereo-typical jazz enthusiast, > Taylor is in a > different category. It is his choice. Nothing > obligates us to make free > improv music that appeals to the populus. If > someone wants to appeal to > an elite crowd, so be it. > > Music producers say there is no public for this. > When we play for them, > they are fascinated. But they want to have granted > what they buy and > sell: a song that people can remember and a demo > that contains exactly > what you are going to do. The "what if you have a > bad day?" thing. > (but what do they do if a talk show master has a bad > day?) I think they > just did not grab it yet... once musicians give more > value to their > instrumental conversation ability and the public > realizes what music can > be about, producers will hire us. (not that this > would be the aim of > this mail...) > > Kris > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 21:41:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E53F23BF7D; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TKC/M1PEjuMfcNH553R9zdFJEH7tN3GzUjrL6gliP4uaGePpFHCBBnVOjIEo1q4zcbkpQvc3ferVxnzhLUM1jqDIwF/1+ushjMSgsuJRS+vcXHp8NMVa6Wo5rZpnsQst2AxnSyQnDryw+Lc9Wl6MuY1Lug6sF4saYENPBTnD3m4= ; Message-ID: <20050718214100.73016.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050716164848.64673.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9W95m.A.XyC.vHC3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:41:03 +0000 (UTC) I find this really cool in cuban music as well,there is the traditional form,then the fire "Adlibs" on top of the trancey looping montuno. L.a > in Brasil and probably other "hot" cultures, also > rock bands, a huge > part of the performances are just in between > composition and > improvisation: the musicians know the basic melody > and rhythm of a > song and improvise its structure. This could hardly > work without the > ABA... kind of tradition. www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 21:49:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E29233BF85; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1kUfYrgOLEBNsPRZl0HYsokHLoauCd9xgdTy/A4rR6pORijaSVEG1RXaK87pwSeOo/4NDJ4+Q//L+ESis08wJXmYu+CLpUnZsUL+ocBjFRzGMBB40/ttFKXMgY3bTAnIlywwhSKUqeNri65gtzyL3JPnCJQgVd49YvJgya60Y7w= ; Message-ID: <20050718214859.39894.qmail@web52811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:48:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: in praise of looping with the Electrix Mo-FX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000401c58a17$784adc20$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6nSpkB.A.mND.MPC3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Absolutely Rick,this boxes are super cool thanx for turning me on to them, the EQ killer is my favorite you can drum the shit out of the frequencies, if they had only included a spring reverb in the Mo-Fx(which i can imagine wouldnt be so hard to upgrade) it would be the ultimate wet dream! L.a > I have to say that the Mo-FX and the Filter Factory > are the hippest damn > > boxes for > rhythmic processing in groove music. All the > time based DSP types > (digital delay, tremelo, > filtering, LFO, etc.) are linked with midi but the > hippest feature is > that > they are tied > to a big, drum machine styled heavy duty momentary > switch. > > As a drummer I love to 'play' the effects > (particularly effective with > square wave tremelos, digital delays and radical EQ > filtering). > > If the effect is turned on, the momentary switch > kills it momentarily > with > a quick tap or you can hold it down to keep the > effect off > > If the effect is turned off, then the momentary > switch turns the effect > on. > > I love that you can tie you can use your loops in a > looper that spits > out > midi to drive your effects. > > One of the things I love to do is to turn ON a > telephone styled narrow > bandwidth styled filter on a drum loop during > a 'breakdown' section of a song. Then I can > play the effect like a > drummer, taking the filter off with each tap so that > the full bandwidth Drum Beat comes on. Since it is > full bandwidth, the > > effect can be enormous and I can single out > individual drum hits in the rhythm and then turn the > effect off right on > the > downbeat of the next section...............very > funky. > > The individual effects of the Mo-Fx are fairly > ordinary but this one > thing > that it does is just amazing. > They even have a distortion section that you can > turn on an off which is > > really great with square wave tremelo processing > for rhythmic effects. > > I love that those two units!!!! > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 22:57:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 364FF3BF4F; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050718225714.96643.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:57:14 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050718212730.50932.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Oh man. That reminds me of a guy I once played with named Scott Schultz. (aka Shamele). I swear he just wrote songs and the verses would end when he ran out of things to say. Then he'd change the order of the verses as we played. All over the place. He also once played me a Todd Rundgren record and said it was him. BIZARRO. I bet he'd be great in Syd Barrett's backup band. Speaking of Floyd, I got the bright idea to cover "Bike" once thinking it would be a fun quick little song to learn. Every verse is totally different! I knew the song well so it didn't bother me, but it drove our drummer crazy until he leaned the song lyrics. Mark --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > this reminds me of a quote from the Pink Floyd´s > Biography.Back in the Syd Barrett days when he > darkside,they would get together and rehearse a new > piece called "have you got it yet?" so there you had > the guys sweating trying to following him,and they > would stop him to clarify the chords everytime over > again, but he´d change them again everytime they > played it,and they were all getting pissed off until > Roger Waters realized the bastard wasn´t that > crazy;-) > L.a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 18 23:37:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D10613BF55; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: My "Pretty Song"... Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:36:58 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB026@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: My "Pretty Song"... thread-index: AcWLgFe6A9Y9Sv2cQ1qa6gywFkPzygABJZPQABPFB/A= From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2005 23:37:00.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[97F28600:01C58BF1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Here's some comic (?) relieve for the "diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm" thread and some indication that I'm not a complete insensitive, cold bastard when it comes to soothing listeners. Occasionally, when I feel I've tortured my audience long enough with my self-indulgent experiments of sound and harmony, I provide them a reprieve with this simple tear-jerker tune....let's call it my "pretty song": http://box.net/public/khartung/files/298935.html Watch out for the clam (non-intentional avoid note) that I coughed up at 2 minutes, 186 milliseconds....that one about killed me. ;) This is a basic jazz original of mine in E minor, with a B section that is two dominant whole step descending ii-V progressions, and a minor ii-V progression that resolves back to E. It's looping at its most basic with some Udu and cymbals for percussion. More of this live stuff, recently posted to my web: http://www.boisemusicians.com/hartung&miresse (click on "Listen to New Live Soundclips") Cheers, Kris >Kris Hartung wrote: "Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've played diatonically for the last 25 years as a guitarist.... part diatonic blended with "outside" in the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking chromatically when I improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk of mine at this point in the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, I'll be playing noise. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 01:08:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C3A23BF40; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AfU5jER0tj3slR91uGxTZEaqctVM1b8gvt5qotBamQdKm4Hh3YzRtswPrRCG4BgfCPPhH+Bq7BQYPaTOyr1PT8kRfkpsvnUemMezft/8QHl7AGd+h6S29JIRprMCx6YzSZAcz1xLCQGFVY82n2JVXp9QF3DNHrkeZmLHjpPeQs0= ; Message-ID: <20050719010851.67510.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:08:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050718225714.96643.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:08:54 +0000 (UTC) yeah and dont forget to add Peter Green as his backup just in case he starts pouring shaving cream on his head on stage again;-) cheers Luis > was > him. BIZARRO. I bet he'd be great in Syd Barrett's > backup band. > > Speaking of Floyd, I got the bright idea to cover > "Bike" once thinking it would be a fun quick little > song to learn. Every verse is totally different! I > knew the song well so it didn't bother me, but it > drove our drummer crazy until he leaned the song > lyrics. > > Mark > > --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > > > this reminds me of a quote from the Pink Floyd´s > > Biography.Back in the Syd Barrett days when he > > darkside,they would get together and rehearse a > new > > piece called "have you got it yet?" so there you > had > > the guys sweating trying to following him,and they > > would stop him to clarify the chords everytime > over > > again, but he´d change them again everytime they > > played it,and they were all getting pissed off > until > > Roger Waters realized the bastard wasn´t that > > crazy;-) > > L.a > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 01:58:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 297B93BF54; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=jBvDfHByjP1/716VuySp2LNza39NeR0SH6iqldvugt0/JccyzwIqc3DEajmXeVqa; Message-ID: <410-2200572192438610@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:04:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940179aa3aafcea7b107b0cba9a7b0a54b3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.165.50 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, what HE said! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: loop.pool > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Date: 7/18/2005 5:46:37 AM > Subject: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm > > Kris Hartung wrote: > > "Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've played diatonically for the > last 25 years as a guitarist.... part diatonic blended with "outside" in > the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking chromatically when I > improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk of mine at this point in > the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, I'll be playing noise. :)" > > > Whatever floats your boat makes me happy for you Kris, but I do want to > point out that with over > a 1,000 Indian Rags and hundreds of exotic world music scales, let alone > just scales, microtonal scales, > and found scales, etc. there are a lot of different places to go out there > in the world of constrained melodic and harmonic systems. > > I can't even keep up with the geniuses at the Music Theory tribe at > tribe.net with all their discussions of different > systems to investigate. > > "pretty" only relates to a couple of the greek modes in western > harmony..................................lydian, for example, is far from > pretty. It is bittersweet > with a touch of melancholy to my ear and emotions......................add a > flat 7 to the scale and you are in a different and exotic emotional universe > altogether. It's just one of those Rags. > > I guess I'm saying that there are other continuums to explore besides the > "diatonic-chromatic-noise" continuum which seems to me > to be a typical paradigmatic trap in western music. > > with respect, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 02:01:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3236E3BF53; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:06:15 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000201c58c06$72032bb0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050719010851.67510.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:01:47 +0000 (UTC) > > Speaking of Floyd, I got the bright idea to cover > > "Bike" once thinking it would be a fun quick little > > song to learn. Every verse is totally different! I > > knew the song well so it didn't bother me, but it > > drove our drummer crazy until he leaned the song > > lyrics. > > > > Mark Yikes! Now I've got "Bike" running through my head over and over (loop content?) and its driving *me* crazy. "I'd give it to you if I could - but I borrowed it." Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 02:12:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78F1B3BF42; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=REhavjNn3BCH8bZfru/im7tI3wMQbZ+vT2/pm3m2bE9lkKduA81IS/Ww7w9jlvZg; Message-ID: <415-2200572192195120@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:19:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406abf177b7e36829afcb7ecca0862c2e7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.165.50 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:12:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Another interesting letter, Kris. Although I love what I have heard of your stuff, your story reminds me of how many other people's pieces intrigued me with their written descriptions and interviews with their composers, but when I heard the actual music, it did not resonate with me in the least. (No, I'm not talking about anybody on the list, guys and gals!) There's a lot of stuff that sounds good in theory only. I have found this to be true with both pop and avant/loop musics. One silver lining is that even if a certain piece turns out to be a total yawn, I often get inspiration from the interesting description of that piece and the process by which it was created, and I then try to create something that actually lives up to the promise. Yours in Herbert Eimert (NOT BORING!), Tim www.mungenast.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Hartung, Kris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/18/2005 7:21:15 AM Subject: RE: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm I know, it's crazy how far, complex, and off the deep end one can go, yet still do something that might appeal to world. I supposed I could learn how to play the guitar, but finger every single note up or down exactly 1/4 of a tone, just to keep busy for another 10 years, yet make music that has some popular appeal. You make me think of something someone once said to me about my music that made me step back and re-evaluate what I was doing artistically...and it applies to looping and improvisation. It has to do with the "process" involved with creating music vs. the just the output by and in itself. It must be how peoples' brains work when they try to understand music, but I have met some people who are only interested in the nature of the final sonic output of a composition, and not "how" or the process by which it was created. For example, one of us in this discussion group could create a totally improvised looping composition that has multiple layers and take several minutes to build, or someone else could possibly have created the same composition, or something very similar, by writing out all the parts in advance, scoring it out, and then recording it via traditional multi-tracking technology. In contrast, someone could use some compositional method to create a piece of music, one that involves some complex mathematics or playing approach, and someone else could possibly perform a similar piece off the top of their head with no methodology. These are extreme examples, of course, but for me, the process is very important, just as important as the emotion that arises from the final output, and has a lot to do with how I frame a piece of music and understand it. Others are more interested in how the final output makes them feel....they are not interested in the non-tangible aspects of the final song and how it was created, as if that doesn't really add anything significant to the final output...that has to be added or tacked on "conceptually" to the composition by the listener, and factored into the evaluation. I think that is really interesting - how people combine inherent and non-inherent characteristics to define an object....it can get so wonderfully complicated and fuzzy, and generate all sorts of contradictory conceptions of things...I love contradictions, anything and everything that forces us to re-evaluate the so-called truth of the matter. In any event, if I recall my interaction with this reviewer correctly, I was raving about the process by which I created some tune of mine, and the other person basically didn't care...it was all about the final output...they didn't like it (how it made him/her feel), and no amount of information regarding "how" the composition was created would change his/her feelings. I don't think there is anything right or wrong with this way of thinking/feeling...it is just a facet of the diversity of human emotion and the thought (or lack thereof) that goes into liking music. Again, I think it is just how peoples' brains are wired. I have to remind myself of this frequently when people try to understand or react to anything I compose that involves looping and improvisation. Some people just aren't concerned with the process of the composition, but the inherent properties of the composition itself. We can't force or obligate anyone include the non-intrinsic characteristics of a a piece of music in their emotional judgement of the music. And if you think about it, if someone, many years from now (or an alien from another world) were to find a CD that had a bunch of our looping music on it, but there was no literature that explained the process by which we created the music, all this being might be have to base their affinity or lack of affinity with the music IS the output itself and the raw, intrinsic characteristics of the music. We wouldn't have the luxury of them knowing how we created the music to appreciate the process and hard work involved in that facet of the composition. So it appears to me that there are intrinsic and non-intrinsic characteristics that we can pack, or not pack into a concept that defines a piece of music....or any "thing" for that matter. Sometimes we grow so fond of the non-intrinsic characteristics of music, that we begin to believe ourselves that they are really intrinsic properties of the music... or at least we talk in a way that implies this; whereas philosophically, we can't really maintain this position. Thanks for providing the spring-board for me to wander, Monica. :) Kris From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm ,,,or get hip to some Slonimsky and start infra-inter-ultrapolating - both symmetrically and asymmetrically! And don't forget to invert those varied interval dodecaphonic progressions! Monica "loop.pool" wrote: Kris Hartung wrote: "Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've played diatonically for the last 25 years as a guitarist.... part diatonic blended with "outside" in the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking chromatically when I improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk of mine at this point in the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, I'll be playing noise. :)" Whatever floats your boat makes me happy for you Kris, but I do want to point out that with over a 1,000 Indian Rags and hundreds of exotic world music scales, let alone just scales, microtonal scales, and found scales, etc. there are a lot of different places to go out there in the world of constrained melodic and harmonic systems. I can't even keep up with the geniuses at the Music Theory tribe at tribe.net with all their discussions of different systems to investigate. "pretty" only relates to a couple of the greek modes in western harmony..................................lydian, for example, is far from pretty. It is bittersweet with a touch of melancholy to my ear and emotions......................add a flat 7 to the scale and you are in a different and exotic emotional universe altogether. It's just one of those Rags. I guess I'm saying that there are other continuums to explore besides the "diatonic-chromatic-noise" continuum which seems to me to be a typical paradigmatic trap in western music. with respect, Rick Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Another interesting letter, Kris. Although I love what I have heard of your stuff, your story  reminds me of how many other people's pieces intrigued me with their written descriptions and interviews with their composers, but when I heard the actual music, it did not resonate with me in the least. (No, I'm not talking about anybody on the list, guys and gals!) There's a lot of stuff that sounds good in theory only.
 
I have found this to be true with both pop and avant/loop musics.
 
One silver lining is that even if a certain piece turns out to be a total yawn, I often get inspiration from the interesting description of that piece and the process by which it was created, and I then try to create something that actually lives up to the promise.
 
Yours in Herbert Eimert (NOT BORING!),
Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 7/18/2005 7:21:15 AM
Subject: RE: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm

I know, it's crazy how far, complex, and off the deep end one can go, yet still do something that might appeal to world.  I supposed I could learn how to play the guitar, but finger every single note up or down exactly 1/4 of a tone, just to keep busy for another 10 years, yet make music that has some popular appeal. 
 
You make me think of something someone once said to me about my music that made me step back and re-evaluate what I was doing artistically...and it applies to looping and improvisation.  It has to do with the "process" involved with creating music vs. the just the output by and in itself. It must be how peoples' brains work when they try to understand music, but I have met some people who are only interested in the nature of the final sonic output of a composition, and not "how" or the process by which it was created.  For example, one of us in this discussion group could create a totally improvised looping composition that has multiple layers and take several minutes to build, or someone else could possibly have created the same composition, or something very similar, by writing out all the parts in advance, scoring it out, and then recording it via traditional multi-tracking technology. In contrast, someone could use some compositional method to create a piece of music, one that involves some complex mathematics or playing approach, and someone else could possibly perform a similar piece off the top of their head with no methodology. These are extreme examples, of course, but for me, the process is very important, just as important as the emotion that arises from the final output, and has a lot to do with how I frame a piece of music and understand it.  Others are more interested in how the final output makes them feel....they are not interested in the non-tangible aspects of the final song and how it was created, as if that doesn't really add anything significant to the final output...that has to be added or tacked on  "conceptually" to the composition by the listener, and factored into the evaluation. I think that is really interesting -  how people combine inherent and non-inherent characteristics to define an object....it can get so wonderfully complicated and fuzzy, and generate all sorts of contradictory conceptions of things...I love contradictions, anything and everything that forces us to re-evaluate the so-called truth of the matter. 
 
In any event, if I recall my interaction with this reviewer correctly, I was raving about the process by which I created some tune of mine, and the other person basically didn't care...it was all about the final output...they didn't like it (how it made him/her feel), and no amount of information regarding "how" the composition was created would change his/her feelings. I don't think there is anything right or wrong with this way of thinking/feeling...it is just a facet of the diversity of human emotion and the thought (or lack thereof) that goes into liking music.  Again, I think it is just how peoples' brains are wired. I have to remind myself of this frequently when people try to understand or react to anything I compose that involves looping and improvisation. Some people just aren't concerned with the process of the composition, but the inherent properties of the composition itself. We can't force or obligate anyone include the non-intrinsic characteristics of a a piece of music in their emotional judgement of the music. And if you think about it, if someone, many years from now (or an alien from another world) were to find a CD that had a bunch of our looping music on it, but there was no literature that explained the process by which we created the music, all this being might be have to base their affinity or lack of affinity with the music IS the output itself and the raw, intrinsic characteristics of the music. We wouldn't have the luxury of them knowing how we created the music to appreciate the process and hard work involved in that facet of the composition.  So it appears to me that there are intrinsic and non-intrinsic characteristics that we can pack, or not pack into a concept that defines a piece of music....or any "thing" for that matter. Sometimes we grow so fond of the non-intrinsic characteristics of music, that we begin to believe ourselves that they are really intrinsic properties of the music... or at least we talk in a way that implies this; whereas philosophically, we can't really maintain this position. 
 
Thanks for providing the spring-board for me to wander, Monica. :)
 
Kris

From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:06 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm

,,,or get hip to some Slonimsky and start infra-inter-ultrapolating -
both symmetrically and asymmetrically! And don't forget to invert those
varied interval dodecaphonic progressions!
Monica


"loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Kris Hartung wrote:

"Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've played diatonically for the
last 25 years as a guitarist.... part diatonic blended with "outside" in
the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking chromatically when I
improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk of mine at this point in
the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, I'll be playing noise. :)"


Whatever floats your boat makes me happy for you Kris, but I do want to
point out that with over
a 1,000 Indian Rags and hundreds of exotic world music scales, let alone
just scales, microtonal scales,
and found scales, etc. there are a lot of different places to go out there
in the world of constrained melodic and harmonic systems.

I can't even keep up with the geniuses at the Music Theory tribe at
tribe.net with all their discussions of different
systems to investigate.

"pretty" only relates to a couple of the greek modes in western
harmony..................................lydian, for example, is far from
pretty. It is bittersweet
with a touch of melancholy to my ear and emotions......................add a
flat 7 to the scale and you are in a different and exotic emotional universe
altogether. It's just one of those Rags.

I guess I'm saying that there are other continuums to explore besides the
"diatonic-chromatic-noise" continuum which seems to me
to be a typical paradigmatic trap in western music.

with respect, Rick



 
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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 02:44:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 310593BF45; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C58C0B.CF1775BB" Subject: RE: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:44:38 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB03E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm thread-index: AcWMB1x94y/P8loOTGe6UyVSgQHMHQAA9rUA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2005 02:44:40.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF822930:01C58C0B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:44:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58C0B.CF1775BB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is a really interesting point...the inverse of what I was trying to say. You are absolutely right. Some people may appreciate the process, but end up hating the music ouput, some may like the music output but could care less about the process, some appreciate and want to learn about both....the street is two-way in multiple respects. =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 8:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm Another interesting letter, Kris. Although I love what I have heard of your stuff, your story reminds me of how many other people's pieces intrigued me with their written descriptions and interviews with their composers, but when I heard the actual music, it did not resonate with me in the least. (No, I'm not talking about anybody on the list, guys and gals!) There's a lot of stuff that sounds good in theory only. =20 I have found this to be true with both pop and avant/loop musics. =20 One silver lining is that even if a certain piece turns out to be a total yawn, I often get inspiration from the interesting description of that piece and the process by which it was created, and I then try to create something that actually lives up to the promise. =20 Yours in Herbert Eimert (NOT BORING!), Tim www.mungenast.com =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hartung, Kris =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/18/2005 7:21:15 AM=20 Subject: RE: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm =09 I know, it's crazy how far, complex, and off the deep end one can go, yet still do something that might appeal to world. I supposed I could learn how to play the guitar, but finger every single note up or down exactly 1/4 of a tone, just to keep busy for another 10 years, yet make music that has some popular appeal.=20 =20 You make me think of something someone once said to me about my music that made me step back and re-evaluate what I was doing artistically...and it applies to looping and improvisation. It has to do with the "process" involved with creating music vs. the just the output by and in itself. It must be how peoples' brains work when they try to understand music, but I have met some people who are only interested in the nature of the final sonic output of a composition, and not "how" or the process by which it was created. For example, one of us in this discussion group could create a totally improvised looping composition that has multiple layers and take several minutes to build, or someone else could possibly have created the same composition, or something very similar, by writing out all the parts in advance, scoring it out, and then recording it via traditional multi-tracking technology. In contrast, someone could use some compositional method to create a piece of music, one that involves some complex mathematics or playing approach, and someone else could possibly perform a similar piece off the top of their head with no methodology. These are extreme examples, of course, but for me, the process is very important, just as important as the emotion that arises from the final output, and has a lot to do with how I frame a piece of music and understand it. Others are more interested in how the final output makes them feel....they are not interested in the non-tangible aspects of the final song and how it was created, as if that doesn't really add anything significant to the final output...that has to be added or tacked on "conceptually" to the composition by the listener, and factored into the evaluation. I think that is really interesting - how people combine inherent and non-inherent characteristics to define an object....it can get so wonderfully complicated and fuzzy, and generate all sorts of contradictory conceptions of things...I love contradictions, anything and everything that forces us to re-evaluate the so-called truth of the matter. =20 =20 In any event, if I recall my interaction with this reviewer correctly, I was raving about the process by which I created some tune of mine, and the other person basically didn't care...it was all about the final output...they didn't like it (how it made him/her feel), and no amount of information regarding "how" the composition was created would change his/her feelings. I don't think there is anything right or wrong with this way of thinking/feeling...it is just a facet of the diversity of human emotion and the thought (or lack thereof) that goes into liking music. Again, I think it is just how peoples' brains are wired. I have to remind myself of this frequently when people try to understand or react to anything I compose that involves looping and improvisation. Some people just aren't concerned with the process of the composition, but the inherent properties of the compos ition itself. We can't force or obligate anyone include the non-intrinsic characteristics of a a piece of music in their emotional judgement of the music. And if you think about it, if someone, many years from now (or an alien from another world) were to find a CD that had a bunch of our looping music on it, but there was no literature that explained the process by which we created the music, all this being might be have to base their affinity or lack of affinity with the music IS the output itself and the raw, intrinsic characteristics of the music. We wouldn't have the luxury of them knowing how we created the music to appreciate the process and hard work involved in that facet of the composition. So it appears to me that there are intrinsic and non-intrinsic characteristics that we can pack, or not pack into a concept that defines a piece of music....or any "thing" for that matter. Sometimes we grow so fond of the non-intrinsic characte ristics of music, that we begin to believe ourselves that they are really intrinsic properties of the music... or at least we talk in a way that implies this; whereas philosophically, we can't really maintain this position. =20 =20 Thanks for providing the spring-board for me to wander, Monica. :) =20 Kris ________________________________ From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm =09 =09 ,,,or get hip to some Slonimsky and start infra-inter-ultrapolating -=20 both symmetrically and asymmetrically! And don't forget to invert those varied interval dodecaphonic progressions! =20 Monica =09 =09 "loop.pool" wrote: Kris Hartung wrote: =09 "Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've played diatonically for the last 25 years as a guitarist.... part diatonic blended with "outside" in the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking chromatically when I improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk of mine at this point in the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, I'll be playing noise. :)" =09 =09 Whatever floats your boat makes me happy for you Kris, but I do want to=20 point out that with over a 1,000 Indian Rags and hundreds of exotic world music scales, let alone=20 just scales, microtonal scales, and found scales, etc. there are a lot of different places to go out there=20 in the world of constrained melodic and harmonic systems. =09 I can't even keep up with the geniuses at the Music Theory tribe at=20 tribe.net with all their discussions of different systems to investigate. =09 "pretty" only relates to a couple of the greek modes in western=20 harmony..................................lydian, for example, is far from=20 pretty. It is bittersweet with a touch of melancholy to my ear and emotions......................add a=20 flat 7 to the scale and you are in a different and exotic emotional universe=20 altogether. It's just one of those Rags. =09 I guess I'm saying that there are other continuums to explore besides the=20 "diatonic-chromatic-noise" continuum which seems to me to be a typical paradigmatic trap in western music. =09 with respect, Rick=20 =09 =09 =20 Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com=20 =20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58C0B.CF1775BB Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That is a really interesting point...the inverse of what = I was=20 trying to say. You are absolutely right. Some people may appreciate the = process,=20 but end up hating the music ouput, some may like the music output but = could care=20 less about the process, some appreciate and want to learn about = both....the=20 street is two-way in multiple respects.
 
Kris
 

From: Timothy Mungenast=20 [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 = 8:19=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = RE: the=20 diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm

Another interesting letter, Kris. Although I love what I have heard = of your=20 stuff, your story  reminds me of how many other people's pieces = intrigued=20 me with their written descriptions and interviews with their composers, = but when=20 I heard the actual music, it did not resonate with me in the least. (No, = I'm not=20 talking about anybody on the list, guys and gals!) There's a lot of = stuff=20 that sounds good in theory only.
 
I have found this to be true with both pop and avant/loop = musics.
 
One silver lining is that even if a certain piece turns out to = be a total yawn, I often get inspiration from the interesting = description=20 of that piece and the process by which it was created, and I then try to = create=20 something that actually lives up to the promise.
 
Yours in Herbert Eimert (NOT BORING!),
Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hartung,=20 Kris
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Sent: 7/18/2005 7:21:15 AM =
Subject: RE: the = diatonic-chromatic-noise=20 paradigm

I know, it's crazy how far, complex, and off the deep = end one=20 can go, yet still do something that might appeal to world.  I = supposed I=20 could learn how to play the guitar, but finger every single note up or = down exactly 1/4 of a tone, just to keep busy for = another 10=20 years, yet make music that has some popular=20 appeal. 
 
You make me think of something someone once said to me = about my=20 music that made me step back and re-evaluate what I was doing=20 artistically...and it applies to looping and improvisation.  It = has to do=20 with the "process" involved with creating music vs. the just the = output by and=20 in itself. It must be how peoples' brains work when they try to=20 understand music, but I have met some people who are only = interested=20 in the nature of the final sonic output of a composition, and=20 not "how" or the process by which it was created.  For=20 example, one of us in this discussion group could create a = totally=20 improvised looping composition that has multiple layers and=20 take several minutes to build, or someone else could = possibly have=20 created the same composition, or something very similar, by = writing=20 out all the parts in advance, scoring it out, and then recording it = via=20 traditional multi-tracking technology. In contrast, someone could use = some=20 compositional method to create a piece of music, one that involves = some=20 complex mathematics or playing approach, and someone else could = possibly=20 perform a similar piece off the top of their head with no methodology. = These=20 are extreme examples, of course, but for me, the process is very = important,=20 just as important as the emotion that arises from the final output, = and has a=20 lot to do with how I frame a piece of music and understand it.  = Others=20 are more interested in how the final output makes them feel....they = are not=20 interested in the non-tangible aspects of the final song and how it = was=20 created, as if that doesn't really add anything significant to the = final=20 output...that has to be added or tacked on  "conceptually" to the = composition by the listener, and factored into the evaluation. I think = that is=20 really interesting -  how people combine inherent and = non-inherent=20 characteristics to define an object....it can get so wonderfully = complicated=20 and fuzzy, and generate all sorts of contradictory conceptions of = things...I love contradictions, anything and everything that forces us = to=20 re-evaluate the so-called truth of the matter.  =
 
In any event, if I recall my interaction with this = reviewer=20 correctly, I was raving about the process by which I created some tune = of=20 mine, and the other person basically didn't care...it was all about = the final=20 output...they didn't like it (how it made him/her feel), and no amount = of=20 information regarding "how" the composition was created would=20 change his/her feelings. I don't think there is anything right or = wrong=20 with this way of thinking/feeling...it is just a facet of the = diversity of=20 human emotion and the thought (or lack thereof) that goes into liking=20 music.  Again, I think it is just how peoples' brains are wired. = I have=20 to remind myself of this frequently when people try to understand or = react to=20 anything I compose that involves looping and improvisation. Some = people just=20 aren't concerned with the process of the composition, but the inherent = properties of the compos ition itself. We can't force or obligate = anyone=20 include the non-intrinsic characteristics of a a piece of music in = their=20 emotional judgement of the music. And if you think about it, if = someone, many=20 years from now (or an alien from another world) were to find a CD that = had a=20 bunch of our looping music on it, but there was no literature that = explained=20 the process by which we created the music, all this = being might=20 be have to base their affinity or lack of affinity with the music IS = the=20 output itself and the raw, intrinsic characteristics of the music. We = wouldn't=20 have the luxury of them knowing how we created the music to appreciate = the=20 process and hard work involved in that facet of the composition.  = So it=20 appears to me that there are intrinsic and non-intrinsic = characteristics=20 that we can pack, or not pack into a concept that defines a piece of=20 music....or any "thing" for that matter. Sometimes we grow = so fond=20 of the non-intrinsic characte ristics of music, that we begin to = believe=20 ourselves that they are really intrinsic properties of the music... or = at=20 least we talk in a way that implies this; whereas philosophically, we = can't=20 really maintain this position. 
 
Thanks for providing the spring-board for me to = wander, Monica.=20 :)
 
Kris

From: Monica = [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:06 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: the=20 diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm

,,,or get hip to some Slonimsky = and start=20 infra-inter-ultrapolating -
both symmetrically and = asymmetrically! And=20 don't forget to invert those
varied interval dodecaphonic = progressions!=20
Monica


"loop.pool"=20 <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Kris=20 Hartung wrote:

"Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've = played=20 diatonically for the
last 25 years as a guitarist.... part = diatonic=20 blended with "outside" in
the last 5, and now I'm pretty much = thinking=20 chromatically when I
improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk = of mine=20 at this point in
the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, = I'll be=20 playing noise. :)"


Whatever floats your boat makes me = happy for=20 you Kris, but I do want to
point out that with over
a 1,000 = Indian=20 Rags and hundreds of exotic world music scales, let alone
just = scales,=20 microtonal scales,
and found scales, etc. there are a lot of = different=20 places to go out there
in the world of constrained melodic and = harmonic=20 systems.

I can't even keep up with the geniuses at the Music = Theory=20 tribe at
tribe.net with all their discussions of = different
systems to=20 investigate.

"pretty" only relates to a couple of the greek = modes in=20 western
harmony..................................lydian, for = example, is=20 far from
pretty. It is bittersweet
with a touch of melancholy = to my=20 ear and emotions......................add a
flat 7 to the scale = and you=20 are in a different and exotic emotional universe
altogether. = It's just=20 one of those Rags.

I guess I'm saying that there are other = continuums=20 to explore besides the
"diatonic-chromatic-noise" continuum = which seems=20 to me
to be a typical paradigmatic trap in western = music.

with=20 respect, Rick



 
Asgard Guitars
"guitar technology for the new emerging edge..."
coolintensity@yahoo.com
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C58C0B.CF1775BB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 03:30:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BDAA3BF56; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 03:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <076a9f533f3ccbe75495b7f4c4d2e69e@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Spam: Idaho Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:30:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed96dcc418c5334b9b4da0ca5387f534b02350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 03:30:40 +0000 (UTC) I'll be playing a few acoustic guitar live looping shows in Idaho this week: Thursday, July 21, 7-9PM Java on Sherman 324 Sherman Ave. Coeur d'Alene, ID Saturday, July 23, 7PM Private house concert Boise, ID Sunday, July 24, 7-9PM Smokey Mountain Pizza 1805 West State Street Boise, ID Admission to all shows is free. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 06:28:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3BF33BF0C; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:28:27 -0700 Subject: Re: a perfect looping concert From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <015701c59ed7$25fbbfa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3204574108_438414" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:28:08 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3204574108_438414 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I just wanted to second Rick=B9s thoughts on what turned out to be a very special evening of music and visuals. Thanks so much to Ted & Jeff, Lucio & Joe (Lumper/Splitter), and David Tristham for coming to Santa Cruz and being part of it all. (And thanks to Rick for lending beats to Orange=8BTheresa and I had a great time playing wit= h you). I especially appreciated how active all the performers were in helping promote the show. We got great pre-show press, and the audience for the 2nd Sundays series seems to be growing with every show. Till the next installment . . . -dan -- =20 Envelope Productions http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 on 8/11/05 5:45 PM, loop.pool at looppool@cruzio.com wrote: > Last night I was privy with many other people to one of the most enjoyabl= e > live looping shows I've witnessed. >=20 > List member, guitarist and composer of one of my favorite loop records ev= er > (Flux Aeterna), Ted Killian > came all the way from Medford, Oregon to do a sublime duet with Jeff Kais= er, > the amazing new music > trumpet/electronics artist who has a lot of notoriety in the Los Angeles = new > music scene with his excellent > record labels pfMENTUM and Angry Vegan Records. >=20 > To top this amazing performance off, David Tristram drove across the hil= l > and just showed up with his > video projector and projected beautiful visuals that were amazingly > synchronous with the performance. >=20 > With Ted creating really beautiful, restrained and ultimately tastey ambi= ent > pads and long legato, searing guitar tones, > Jeff got freaky with his trumpet playing through a couple of Line 6 DL-4s= , > an Alesis Bitr-man (man oh man, what a cool pedal), > a Moogerfooger ring modulator and a few other things that I didn't get th= e > names of. >=20 > Jeff is an avante garde player with extreme taste and musicality. He ha= s > amazing acoustic technique as a trumpet player (and Ted tells me > he is also is trained in complex choral arranging) and he rides a beautif= ul > taught line between lyricism and very angular and even abrasive sound > manipulation. Always abstract, yet always hinting at beautiful worlds, I > was just floored by the interaction between these two wonderful and > sensitive players. I told Dan Soltzberg (with whom I played earlier in t= he > evening in Orange with his talented singer/percussionist wife, Theresa) t= hat > I had one of those peak moments about 15 minutes into their set where I > thought to myself, "This is why we work so hard to put these free concer= ts > on for the public". >=20 > Joe Rut and Lucio Menegon (aka Lumper/Splitter) were in the middle slot = and > also played a really sublime set of double guitar looping. > Again, they run the gamut of more inside styles and more avante garde > arhythmic styles. Their set was filled with a lot of energy and they > had great chemistry going to a lot of different musical spaces. Joe als= o > played a cool invented instrument that had contact mics and various > pieces of metal welded on a resonating board. I really resonated with = his > playing on that piece and feel really glad that I now have three new frie= nds > in my musical world (Joe, Lucio and Jeff). >=20 > It was really enjoyable playing the opening set with Dan and Theresa on > trapset. I rarely just play kit these days and it was really fun to use > minimalistic looping techniques (I only had a lonely Line 6 without any > processing for my kick and snare mic) and I tried out a bunch of new > techniques of playing kit and using mouth percussion simultaneously . I > really got into a minimalist groove zone and the whole set was very tranc= ey > for me. >=20 > I'll leave it to someone else to speak of that set though because as > enjoyable as it was, I have no idea how it sounded to the audience (one = of > the saddest things about being a performing artist...............you just > can't tell how things are percieved until after the fact). I do know th= at > I really dug the bass and looping and processing work that Dan was doing = and > Theresa did some really nice spoken word pieces as well as singing > beautifully. >=20 > It was hotter than hades in the venue but for the first time, the Blues = Jam > downstairs didn't occur simultaneously so we were able to use the big sta= ge > and the big sound system and the sound was excellent. >=20 > Add to that how sweet the staff of the ATTIC's restaurant were and it was > just a reallly successful show, artistically. >=20 > Thanks to all the artists who made it possible. >=20 > Rick Walker=20 --B_3204574108_438414 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: a perfect looping concert I just wanted to second Rick’s thoughts on what = turned out to be a very special evening of music and visuals.

Thanks so much to Ted & Jeff, Lucio & Joe (Lumper/Splitter), and Da= vid Tristham for coming to Santa Cruz and being part of it all. (And thanks = to Rick for lending beats to Orange—Theresa and I had a great time pla= ying with you).

I especially appreciated how active all the performers were in helping prom= ote the show. We got great pre-show press, and the audience for the 2nd Sund= ays series seems to be growing with every show.

Till the next installment . . .


-dan


--  

Envelope Productions
http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7






on 8/11/05 5:45 PM, loop.pool at looppool@cruzio.com wrote:

Last night I was privy with many ot= her people to one of the most enjoyable
live looping shows I've witnessed.

List member, guitarist and composer of one of my favorite loop records ever=
(Flux Aeterna), Ted Killian
came all the way from Medford, Oregon to do a sublime duet with Jeff Kaiser= ,
the amazing new music
trumpet/electronics artist who has a lot of notoriety in the Los Angeles ne= w
music scene with his excellent
record labels pfMENTUM and Angry Vegan Records.

To top this amazing performance off,  David Tristram drove across the = hill
and just showed up with his
video projector and projected beautiful visuals that were amazingly
synchronous with the performance.

With Ted creating really beautiful, restrained and ultimately tastey ambien= t
pads and long legato, searing guitar tones,
Jeff got freaky with his trumpet playing through a couple of Line 6 DL-4s, =
an Alesis Bitr-man (man oh man, what a cool pedal),
a Moogerfooger ring modulator and a few other things that I didn't get the =
names of.

Jeff is an avante garde player with extreme taste and musicality.  &nb= sp;He has
amazing acoustic technique as a trumpet player (and Ted tells me
he is also is trained in complex choral arranging) and he rides a beautiful=
taught line between lyricism and very angular and even abrasive sound
manipulation. Always abstract, yet always hinting at beautiful worlds, &nbs= p;I
was just floored by the interaction between these two wonderful and
sensitive players.  I told Dan Soltzberg (with whom I played earlier i= n the
evening in Orange with his talented singer/percussionist wife, Theresa) tha= t
I had one of those peak moments about 15 minutes into their set where I thought to myself,  "This is why we work so hard to put these fre= e concerts
on for the public".

Joe Rut and Lucio Menegon  (aka Lumper/Splitter) were in the middle sl= ot and
also played a really sublime set of double guitar looping.
Again, they run the gamut of more inside styles and more avante garde
arhythmic styles.   Their set was filled with a lot of energy and= they
had great chemistry going to a lot of different musical spaces.   = ;Joe also
played a cool invented instrument that had contact mics and various
pieces of metal welded on a resonating board.    I really re= sonated with his
playing on that piece and feel really glad that I now have three new friend= s
in my musical world (Joe, Lucio and Jeff).

It was really enjoyable playing the opening set with Dan and Theresa on trapset.  I rarely just play kit these days and it was really fun to u= se
minimalistic looping techniques (I only had a lonely Line 6 without any processing for my kick and snare mic) and I tried out a bunch of new
techniques of playing kit and using mouth percussion simultaneously .  = ;I
really got into a minimalist groove zone and the whole set was very trancey=
for me.

I'll leave it to someone else to speak of that set though because as
enjoyable as it was,  I have no idea how it sounded to the audience (o= ne of
the saddest things about being a performing artist...............you just <= BR> can't tell how things are percieved until after the fact).   I do= know that
I really dug the bass and looping and processing work that Dan was doing an= d
Theresa did some really nice spoken word pieces as well as singing
beautifully.

It was hotter than hades in the venue but for the first time,  the Blu= es Jam
downstairs didn't occur simultaneously so we were able to use the big stage=
and the big sound system and the sound was excellent.

Add to that how sweet the staff of the ATTIC's restaurant were and it was <= BR> just a reallly successful show, artistically.

Thanks to all the artists who made it possible.

Rick Walker

--B_3204574108_438414-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 07:41:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD6C63BF13; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050719082929.02db63a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:37:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: a solo looping band: pb with feedback! In-Reply-To: <20050718165619.4E2F33BF7D@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050718165619.4E2F33BF7D@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4c3CcC.A.VYH.06K3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:41:40 +0000 (UTC) >10. Take some artistic liscence and built the feedback into your show! Saxophonist Graham Halliwell does this all the time, and often bases a performance on it. He creates delicate feedback tones by bringing his sax close to the mic. He's even looped it, with help of a certain andy butler. That recording forms part of his latest cd:- Graham Halliwell-Recorded Delivery (Confront Collectors Series, ErstWhile distrib) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 09:03:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E2973BF13; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ff501c58c40$bd1235d0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB026@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: My "Pretty Song"... Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:03:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:03:38 +0000 (UTC) really "pretty" !!! Fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:36 AM Subject: My "Pretty Song"... Here's some comic (?) relieve for the "diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm" thread and some indication that I'm not a complete insensitive, cold bastard when it comes to soothing listeners. Occasionally, when I feel I've tortured my audience long enough with my self-indulgent experiments of sound and harmony, I provide them a reprieve with this simple tear-jerker tune....let's call it my "pretty song": http://box.net/public/khartung/files/298935.html Watch out for the clam (non-intentional avoid note) that I coughed up at 2 minutes, 186 milliseconds....that one about killed me. ;) This is a basic jazz original of mine in E minor, with a B section that is two dominant whole step descending ii-V progressions, and a minor ii-V progression that resolves back to E. It's looping at its most basic with some Udu and cymbals for percussion. More of this live stuff, recently posted to my web: http://www.boisemusicians.com/hartung&miresse (click on "Listen to New Live Soundclips") Cheers, Kris >Kris Hartung wrote: "Because I've grown weary of pretty....I've played diatonically for the last 25 years as a guitarist.... part diatonic blended with "outside" in the last 5, and now I'm pretty much thinking chromatically when I improv....no key. It's just a personal quirk of mine at this point in the game. Who knows, maybe in another 5 years, I'll be playing noise. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 09:13:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F7B53BF0F; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1121764413.42dcc43d5a88f@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:13:33 +0200 From: ml@dadaprod.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping with a computer + looping gig in France References: <20050718165619.4E2F33BF7D@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050719082929.02db63a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050719082929.02db63a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 194.153.110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I am wondering if some of ou have been experimenting live experience with looping software and a footswitch? I am acutally living in Paris (France), and I would like to know if there is anybody you will be interested in organising a gig around the following thema : "solo looping band" cheers stéphane --- http://brazil.dadaprod.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 11:20:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EC8D3BF1A; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002601c58c53$c9e96ea0$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB026@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <0ff501c58c40$bd1235d0$040a0a0a@fabio> Subject: Re: My "Pretty Song"... Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:19:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <4xd7IB.A.idH.nHO3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:20:08 +0000 (UTC) > really "pretty" !!! > Fabio > really pretty boring: a looped chord track with uber effected pseudo Metheny noodling for 4 minutes this isnt "live looping" this is the "band in a box" looper cliché. dont be lazy with what you propose online. or maybe its a parody ? or I should keep this for myself ? Claude putting the stick in the anthill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 11:53:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C74F3BF1F; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <103301c58c58$6da110d0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB026@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <0ff501c58c40$bd1235d0$040a0a0a@fabio> <002601c58c53$c9e96ea0$0201a8c0@mini> Subject: Re: My "Pretty Song"... Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:53:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Don't misunderstand me: I like this kind of music but non diatonic music or other modern kinds of music are not for all ears. So I think it's a good "strategy", give, sometimes (and when it needs), to the audience something "pretty" like this, just to attract attention. It's a simple strategy, but it's necessary some time to re-call attention from audience. Fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: Re: My "Pretty Song"... > > > > really "pretty" !!! > > Fabio > > > > really pretty boring: a looped chord track with uber effected pseudo Metheny > noodling for 4 minutes > > this isnt "live looping" this is the "band in a box" looper cliché. > > dont be lazy with what you propose online. > > or maybe its a parody ? > > or I should keep this for myself ? > > Claude > > putting the stick in the anthill > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 12:34:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29E6B3BF35; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: My "Pretty Song"... Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:34:35 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB051@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: My "Pretty Song"... thread-index: AcWMWHG7yl8rJGUPTrKwC6vNC6stswAAyajQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2005 12:34:38.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A412710:01C58C5E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Yes, Fabio, you "get it". It is a device or strategy, and I should = have mentioned that amidst an evening of experimental improvisational = looping, when I do play this "pretty boring [albeit relative term that = can't be applied to inherent characteristics of a song]...looped 8-chord = track of uber effected pseudo Metheny noodling" or something similar but = just as "lazy," it tends to generate more applause and smiles (and has = actually made people cry) than any other 15 minute improv tune where I'm = killing myself to keep things fresh every loop cycle. Or I could loop = Wayne Shorter's "Footprints" (using only four chords), or All Blues = (using only four chords), or about fifty billion other jazz three-chord = wonders that under-utilize looping technology, but miraculously put a = smile on listener's faces and give them a break from intellectual and = emotionally dense music. It is a reprieve for everyone, including = myself. =20 But now that you mention it, Claude, next time I want to give the = audience a break and appeal to the common denominator, I'll just take a = coffee break and loop the chords for 4 minutes, letting their idle = chatter substitute for my noodling, since it takes such an unbelievably = low degree of effort and inspiration to create drivel like this. ;) K- -----Original Message----- From: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My "Pretty Song"... Don't misunderstand me: I like this kind of music but non diatonic music = or other modern kinds of music are not for all ears. So I think it's a good "strategy", give, sometimes (and when it needs), = to the audience something "pretty" like this, just to attract attention. It's a simple strategy, but it's necessary some time to re-call = attention from audience. Fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: Re: My "Pretty Song"... > > > > really "pretty" !!! > > Fabio > > > > really pretty boring: a looped chord track with uber effected pseudo Metheny > noodling for 4 minutes > > this isnt "live looping" this is the "band in a box" looper clich=E9. > > dont be lazy with what you propose online. > > or maybe its a parody ? > > or I should keep this for myself ? > > Claude > > putting the stick in the anthill > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 13:28:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AC9D3BF3A; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: New JamMan availability Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:28:30 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed955d5479c1f7ada15cb13e98b894696c9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:28:35 +0000 (UTC) For those who are interested, I got a notice from AMS saying that the new JamMan pedal is now in stock. They didn't clarify if it's red, purple, or blue in color though... TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 15:31:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19DA13BF1A; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:31:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050719083045.06a9f860@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:31:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: New JamMan availability In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:31:01 +0000 (UTC) whoever is getting it, please do a review for the Looper's Delight website! thanks, kim At 06:28 AM 7/19/2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: >For those who are interested, I got a notice from AMS saying that the new >JamMan pedal is now in stock. They didn't clarify if it's red, purple, or >blue in color though... > >TravisH ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 16:04:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 136703BF1A; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KtzB7UWFTK1gkj+rpycV89Ty8znR8PlL1meTDWDeUVPNYnVP7JhdSSEAo9n1jsnNrJzrx4xo9zUvsKYofuIQPejHZRu854e/PdsfppehNQoA9edKqFWNsQu6/4uKMl9lKlwF4t+QQycUFy/B/eFU0VAgGwzfeDLMN8Tej5fX3pM= ; Message-ID: <20050719160407.39977.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: New JamMan availability To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050719083045.06a9f860@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1808046432-1121789047=:39150" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:04:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-1808046432-1121789047=:39150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I received a notice that mine is being packed in the warehouse. Yes! Kim Flint wrote:whoever is getting it, please do a review for the Looper's Delight website! thanks, kim At 06:28 AM 7/19/2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: >For those who are interested, I got a notice from AMS saying that the new >JamMan pedal is now in stock. They didn't clarify if it's red, purple, or >blue in color though... > >TravisH ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1808046432-1121789047=:39150 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote:
whoever is getting it, please do a review for the Looper's Delight website!
thanks,
kim

At 06:28 AM 7/19/2005, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>For those who are interested, I got a notice from AMS saying that the new
>JamMan pedal is now in stock. They didn't clarify if it's red, purple, or
>blue in color though...
>
>TravisH

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1808046432-1121789047=:39150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 16:08:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0CA03BF3B; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <75C5860E5CD41F41BB071765EBE3A86C1D002D@NSEXCHANGE> From: clay@ec-connection.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New JamMan availability Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:07:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C58C7B.ED32E990" Resent-Message-ID: <93AmVC.A.-qC.MWS3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:08:44 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58C7B.ED32E990 Content-Type: text/plain Is the new Jam Man a Digitech product? I don't see it on their website. How does it differ in functionality from the Lexicon version I have? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Wind Stick Devil [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New JamMan availability I received a notice that mine is being packed in the warehouse. Yes! Kim Flint wrote: whoever is getting it, please do a review for the Looper's Delight website! thanks, kim At 06:28 AM 7/19/2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: >For those who are interested, I got a notice from AMS saying that the new >JamMan pedal is now in stock. They didn't clarify if it's red, purple, or >blue in color though... > >TravisH ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58C7B.ED32E990 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is the new Jam Man a Digitech = product?  I don't see it on their = website.  How does it differ in = functionality from the Lexicon version I have?

 

Thanks.<= /p>

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Wind Stick Devil [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, = 2005 11:04 AM
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I received a notice that mine is being = packed in the warehouse. Yes!

Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote: =

whoever is getting it, please do a review = for the Looper's Delight website!
thanks,
kim

At 06:28 AM 7/19/2005, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>For those who are interested, I got a notice from AMS saying that = the new
>JamMan pedal is now in stock. They didn't clarify if it's red, = purple, or
>blue in color though...
>
>TravisH

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C58C7B.ED32E990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 16:45:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9133B3BF13; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HKxDXolj/3WyXQcsrZDE1yLv2Dkc0XlBLJ97oTmjXs1Qc3OBrehPrjh6b1PJwmm02t8HLP7rAosW5zHK7KDwGuK6izXuqjfRFNdzHy7PpULJjv3GbtEcri4/B34rYgtwV+nKRUwlAvS8WMqwsxCWpm5fuYfB3NZURDbbxhrSIHo= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:45:27 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New JamMan availability In-Reply-To: <75C5860E5CD41F41BB071765EBE3A86C1D002D@NSEXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <75C5860E5CD41F41BB071765EBE3A86C1D002D@NSEXCHANGE> Resent-Message-ID: <9thJgC.A.NWE.-4S3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Yes, the new JamMan is a Digitech product. Try the link on their frontpage: http://digitech.com/ They also have the manual online: http://www.digitech.com/literature.htm TravisH On 7/19/05, clay@ec-connection.com wrote: > =20 > =20 >=20 > Is the new Jam Man a Digitech product? I don't see it on their website.= =20 > How does it differ in functionality from the Lexicon version I have?=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thanks. > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Wind Stick Devil [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:04 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New JamMan availability=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 > I received a notice that mine is being packed in the warehouse. Yes! > =20 > Kim Flint wrote:=20 >=20 > whoever is getting it, please do a review for the Looper's Delight websit= e! > thanks, > kim > =20 > At 06:28 AM 7/19/2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >For those who are interested, I got a notice from AMS saying that the n= ew=20 > >JamMan pedal is now in stock. They didn't clarify if it's red, purple, = or=20 > >blue in color though... > > > >TravisH > =20 > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 16:51:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 272CD3BF30; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.37ddd6d4.300e8999@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:51:37 EDT Subject: Re: My "Pretty Song"... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a2.37ddd6d4.300e8999_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:51:43 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1a2.37ddd6d4.300e8999_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, In a message dated 7/18/05 4:37:17 PM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes: > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/298935.html >=20 Personally . . . I rather like it. But then again I like a little bit of=20 everything anyway, even polka -- when it's done well (with feeling, even thought there might be little imperfections here and there).=20 I've been following this thread and have a slightly different "take" on the=20 whole "art" vs. "audience approval" thing. I spent many long years studying=20 to be a visual artist long before I ever seriously considered "going public" with any of my musical nonsense. The way I look at it, limiting oneself to only one way of thinking/working harmonically/melodically/modally is like choosing to only use one color=20 of crayon from the box . . . or only one size of brush (or a paint roller) or something as a visual artist. It might be nice for an individual piece=20 (or suite of pieces) but not a whole career -- IMHO. I tend to look at the choice between using ALL BLACK per se, and using ALL PASTEL COLORS as more-or-less a choice between avenues of approach with equal value/merit/creative possibility. Six of one, half dozen of=20 another, as they say. There is nothing to judge there as long as your artistic=20 motivations are fairly "pure." Motivations are the key. In visual art (or any other) I have no criticism of artists who choose a=20 particular=20 way of working if that's really who they are, or choose to be . . .=20 authentically.=20 Example, I have no problem with any number of painters who might do most of their work in a representaional, "realistic" vein. But I cannot abide=20 Thomas Kinkade (pardon me if there are fans present) http://www.thomaskinkade.com/ His stuff is so phony (and so popular too) really makes me ill. On a spectum scale of artists' sensitivity, ranging from total indifference=20 to=20 total pandering that guy is completely off the pandering scale. But I=20 digress. What are we making music for? To be popular, have the worshipful obessiance of fans, sexual attraction and all of that? Or to make something we like,=20 choose to create, make well and with pride, to please, express or to satisfy=20 ourselves=20 in some way? Or, perhaps, some blurry mix of the two (or other) motives?=20 Perhaps it is to give others a good time -- a perfectly virtuous and=20 altruistic aim in itself. I would guess that a lot of us are a mixture. Personally, if I were still=20 doing my music in my garage studio as a solitary exercise as I was 20 years ago I=20 could be nearly perfectly content to be indifferent to what an audience might want= . Since I went public, I now (somewhat grudgingly but not entirely) must face=20 the fact that I HAVE to take into consideration the new environment in which= =20 I do what I do -- the physical mechanics of the venue (the space) the social= =20 mechanics of the people there (the audience and/or other performers). I try=20 not to pander. But there is an element to it that is akin to doing=20 "site-specific=20 artwork." For myself, I am soooo very limited as a musician that any thought of=20 pandering=20 and any real possibility of popularity is probably beyond my ability anyway=20 (heheheh).=20 However, that still leaves plenty of room to be at least a little sensitive=20 to who=20 is in attendance and how much squonk and noise I should try to get away with= =20 -- just how far I can push the envelope with these folks in this venue. Who else is=20 on the bill? What sort of musical territory will they be marking out? It just seems=20 sensible to at least consider these things.=20 To me, it's all comes back to choosing the "colors" your going to paint with= =20 . . . and that is only a temporary choice. It's not like you have to stick with it for= =20 a whole=20 career . . . or even a whole evening. If I find myself having scribbled the=20 air with=20 blistering, caustic, black tones and dark chords for most of a set I'l=20 usually give=20 the audience a reward for their endurance . . . something "pretty," a piece=20 of=20 dessert music, a little musical after-dinner mint, or something. Hey, I like "pretty" too. Pastels are nice from time to time. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1a2.37ddd6d4.300e8999_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,

In a message dated 7/18/05 4:37:17 PM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes:

http://box.net/public= /khartung/files/298935.html

Personally . . . I rather like it. But then again I like a little bit of eve= rything
anyway, even polka -- when it's done well (with feeling, even thought there<= BR> might be little imperfections here and there).

I've been following this thread and have a slightly different "take" on the=20=
whole "art" vs. "audience approval" thing. I spent many long years studying=20=
to be a visual artist long before I ever seriously considered "going public"=
with any of my musical nonsense.

The way I look at it, limiting oneself to only one way of thinking/working harmonically/melodically/modally is like choosing to only use one color
of crayon from the box . . . or only one size of brush (or a paint roller) or something as a visual artist. It might be nice for an individual piece (or suite of pieces) but not a whole career -- IMHO.

I tend to look at the choice between using ALL BLACK per se, and using
ALL PASTEL COLORS as more-or-less a choice between avenues of approach
with equal value/merit/creative possibility. Six of one, half dozen of anoth= er,
as they say. There is nothing to judge there as long as your artistic motiva= tions
are fairly "pure." Motivations are the key.

In visual art (or any other) I have no criticism of artists who choose a par= ticular
way of working if that's really who they are, or choose to be . . . authenti= cally.
Example, I have no problem with any number of painters who might do most
of their work in a representaional, "realistic" vein. But I cannot abide Tho= mas
Kinkade (pardon me if there are fans present) http://www.thomaskinkade.com/<= BR> His stuff is so phony (and so popular too) really makes me ill.

On a spectum scale of artists' sensitivity, ranging from total indifference=20= to
total pandering that guy is completely off the pandering scale. But I digres= s.

What are we making music for? To be popular, have the worshipful obessiance<= BR> of fans, sexual attraction and all of that? Or to make something we like, ch= oose
to create, make well and with pride, to please, express or to satisfy oursel= ves
in some way? Or, perhaps, some blurry mix of the two (or other) motives? Perhaps it is to give others a good time -- a perfectly virtuous and altruis= tic
aim in itself.

I would guess that a lot of us are a mixture. Personally, if I were still do= ing my
music in my garage studio as a solitary exercise as I was 20 years ago I cou= ld
be nearly perfectly content to be indifferent to what an au= dience might want.
Since I went public, I now (somewhat grudgingly but not entirely) must face=20=
the fact that I HAVE to take into consideration the new environment in which=
I do what I do -- the physical mechanics of the venue (the space) the social=
mechanics of the people there (the audience and/or other performers). I try=20=
not to pander. But there is an element to it that is akin to doing "site-spe= cific
artwork."

For myself, I am soooo very limited as a musician that any thought of pander= ing
and any real possibility of popularity is probably beyond my ability anyway=20= (heheheh).
However, that still leaves plenty of room to be at least a little sensitive=20= to who
is in attendance and how much squonk and noise I should try to get away with= -- just
how far I can push the envelope with these folks in this venue. Who else is=20= on the bill?
What sort of musical territory will they be marking out? It just seems sensi= ble to
at least consider these things.

To me, it's all comes back to choosing the "colors" your going to paint with= . . . and
that is only a temporary choice. It's not like you have to stick with it for= a whole
career . . . or even a whole evening. If I find myself having scribbled the=20= air with
blistering, caustic, black tones and dark chords for most of a set I'l usual= ly give
the audience a reward for their endurance . . . something "pretty," a piece=20= of
dessert music, a little musical after-dinner mint, or something.

Hey, I like "pretty" too. Pastels are nice from time to time.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1a2.37ddd6d4.300e8999_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 17:15:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DEA73BF41; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UTZ24ncTRQ+Oc6CQYpNLcrI8nVgiVX7iYa9H2vmm0WU7ZyCEiNdUHliy2Fd7TBaN1dBX1zB+9I5iFwc053HsIGmKX2Jkq8yTrjyBaRJkTtTNJFAAlZePMNQzvJFnNNS/PsJBtoqCdw03Lgo6nBLCQtaBVGFOdIakpQVdCqFmX8A= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:14:35 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My "Pretty Song"... In-Reply-To: <1a2.37ddd6d4.300e8999@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1a2.37ddd6d4.300e8999@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:15:11 +0000 (UTC) I don't care for Kinkade either, but I don't think he's being phony in his art. He reallly means it, and his audience really digs it. He's like the Kenny G of painting. TravisH On 7/19/05, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > In visual art (or any other) I have no criticism of artists who choose a > particular=20 > way of working if that's really who they are, or choose to be . . . > authentically.=20 > Example, I have no problem with any number of painters who might do most > of their work in a representaional, "realistic" vein. But I cannot abide > Thomas > Kinkade (pardon me if there are fans present) http://www.thomaskinkade.c= om/ > His stuff is so phony (and so popular too) really makes me ill. > =20 > On a spectum scale of artists' sensitivity, ranging from total indiffere= nce > to=20 > total pandering that guy is completely off the pandering scale. But I > digress. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 17:39:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F4603BF3A; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C58C88.B9C0092A" Subject: RE: My "Pretty Song"... Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:38:49 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB161@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: My "Pretty Song"... thread-index: AcWMgikCQ7+34TIZQpCeMbYFmk5TxgABEZ3w From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2005 17:38:51.0540 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA166D40:01C58C88] Resent-Message-ID: <3nfSf.A.RwG.qrT3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:39:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58C88.B9C0092A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great post, Ted. I always love analogies between art and music...thanks for reinforcing this. The color pallet or crayon box comparison is wonderful. And this supports my performance background, having played in progressive rock, art rock, country, world, traditional jazz, and fusion bands....it is nice to be able to pull out a different crayons at any point in time, depending on the social dynamics of the venue. This is why I mentioned having the Real Book at my side at all times....traditional jazz is just one more crayon or shade of colors to choose from. It's like being a Swiss army knife of music performance. I just personally prefer one set of colors at this point in time of my musical journey, which has less public appeal. =20 You you, I rather felt that your CD was a mixture of black with neon colors. :) =20 Kris ________________________________ From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My "Pretty Song"... Kris, In a message dated 7/18/05 4:37:17 PM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/298935.html =09 Personally . . . I rather like it. But then again I like a little bit of everything anyway, even polka -- when it's done well (with feeling, even thought there might be little imperfections here and there).=20 I've been following this thread and have a slightly different "take" on the=20 whole "art" vs. "audience approval" thing. I spent many long years studying=20 to be a visual artist long before I ever seriously considered "going public" with any of my musical nonsense. The way I look at it, limiting oneself to only one way of thinking/working harmonically/melodically/modally is like choosing to only use one color=20 of crayon from the box . . . or only one size of brush (or a paint roller) or something as a visual artist. It might be nice for an individual piece=20 (or suite of pieces) but not a whole career -- IMHO. I tend to look at the choice between using ALL BLACK per se, and using ALL PASTEL COLORS as more-or-less a choice between avenues of approach with equal value/merit/creative possibility. Six of one, half dozen of another, as they say. There is nothing to judge there as long as your artistic motivations are fairly "pure." Motivations are the key. In visual art (or any other) I have no criticism of artists who choose a particular=20 way of working if that's really who they are, or choose to be . . . authentically.=20 Example, I have no problem with any number of painters who might do most of their work in a representaional, "realistic" vein. But I cannot abide Thomas Kinkade (pardon me if there are fans present) http://www.thomaskinkade.com/ His stuff is so phony (and so popular too) really makes me ill. On a spectum scale of artists' sensitivity, ranging from total indifference to=20 total pandering that guy is completely off the pandering scale. But I digress. What are we making music for? To be popular, have the worshipful obessiance of fans, sexual attraction and all of that? Or to make something we like, choose to create, make well and with pride, to please, express or to satisfy ourselves=20 in some way? Or, perhaps, some blurry mix of the two (or other) motives? Perhaps it is to give others a good time -- a perfectly virtuous and altruistic aim in itself. I would guess that a lot of us are a mixture. Personally, if I were still doing my music in my garage studio as a solitary exercise as I was 20 years ago I could be nearly perfectly content to be indifferent to what an audience might want. Since I went public, I now (somewhat grudgingly but not entirely) must face=20 the fact that I HAVE to take into consideration the new environment in which=20 I do what I do -- the physical mechanics of the venue (the space) the social=20 mechanics of the people there (the audience and/or other performers). I try=20 not to pander. But there is an element to it that is akin to doing "site-specific=20 artwork." For myself, I am soooo very limited as a musician that any thought of pandering=20 and any real possibility of popularity is probably beyond my ability anyway (heheheh).=20 However, that still leaves plenty of room to be at least a little sensitive to who=20 is in attendance and how much squonk and noise I should try to get away with -- just how far I can push the envelope with these folks in this venue. Who else is on the bill? What sort of musical territory will they be marking out? It just seems sensible to at least consider these things.=20 To me, it's all comes back to choosing the "colors" your going to paint with . . . and that is only a temporary choice. It's not like you have to stick with it for a whole=20 career . . . or even a whole evening. If I find myself having scribbled the air with=20 blistering, caustic, black tones and dark chords for most of a set I'l usually give=20 the audience a reward for their endurance . . . something "pretty," a piece of=20 dessert music, a little musical after-dinner mint, or something. Hey, I like "pretty" too. Pastels are nice from time to time. Best regards, tEd (r) kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58C88.B9C0092A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great post, Ted. I always love analogies = between art=20 and music...thanks for reinforcing this.  The color pallet or = crayon box=20 comparison is wonderful.  And this supports my performance=20 background, having played in progressive rock, art rock, = country,=20 world, traditional jazz, and fusion bands....it is nice to be able = to pull=20 out a different crayons at any point in time, depending on the social = dynamics=20 of the venue. This is why I mentioned having the Real Book at my side at = all=20 times....traditional jazz is just one more crayon or shade of colors to = choose=20 from. It's like being a Swiss army knife of music performance. I just = personally=20 prefer one set of colors at this point in time of my musical journey, = which has=20 less public appeal.
 
You you, I rather felt that your CD was a = mixture of=20 black with neon colors. :)
 
Kris

From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 = 10:52=20 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re: My=20 "Pretty Song"...

Kris,

In a message dated 7/18/05 4:37:17 PM, = kris.hartung@hp.com writes:

http://box.net/public/khartung/files/298935.html

Personally . . . I rather like it. But = then again=20 I like a little bit of everything
anyway, even polka -- when it's = done well=20 (with feeling, even thought there
might be little imperfections here = and=20 there).

I've been following this thread and have a = slightly=20 different "take" on the
whole "art" vs. "audience approval" thing. I = spent=20 many long years studying
to be a visual artist long before I ever = seriously=20 considered "going public"
with any of my musical nonsense.

The = way I=20 look at it, limiting oneself to only one way of=20 thinking/working
harmonically/melodically/modally is like choosing to = only=20 use one color
of crayon from the box . . . or only one size of brush = (or a=20 paint roller)
or something as a visual artist. It might be nice for = an=20 individual piece
(or suite of pieces) but not a whole career --=20 IMHO.

I tend to look at the choice between using ALL BLACK per = se, and=20 using
ALL PASTEL COLORS as more-or-less a choice between avenues of=20 approach
with equal value/merit/creative possibility. Six of one, = half dozen=20 of another,
as they say. There is nothing to judge there as long as = your=20 artistic motivations
are fairly "pure." Motivations are the = key.

In=20 visual art (or any other) I have no criticism of artists who choose a = particular=20
way of working if that's really who they are, or choose to be . . .=20 authentically.
Example, I have no problem with any number of = painters who=20 might do most
of their work in a representaional, "realistic" vein. = But I=20 cannot abide Thomas
Kinkade (pardon me if there are fans present)=20 http://www.thomaskinkade.com/
His stuff is so phony (and so popular = too)=20 really makes me ill.

On a spectum scale of artists' sensitivity, = ranging=20 from total indifference to
total pandering that guy is completely = off the=20 pandering scale. But I digress.

What are we making music for? To = be=20 popular, have the worshipful obessiance
of fans, sexual attraction = and all of=20 that? Or to make something we like, choose
to create, make well and = with=20 pride, to please, express or to satisfy ourselves
in some way? Or, = perhaps,=20 some blurry mix of the two (or other) motives?
Perhaps it is to give = others=20 a good time -- a perfectly virtuous and altruistic
aim in = itself.

I=20 would guess that a lot of us are a mixture. Personally, if I were still = doing=20 my
music in my garage studio as a solitary exercise as I was 20 years = ago I=20 could
be nearly perfectly content to be indifferent to what an = audience=20 might want.
Since I went public, I now (somewhat grudgingly but not = entirely)=20 must face
the fact that I HAVE to take into consideration the new=20 environment in which
I do what I do -- the physical mechanics of the = venue=20 (the space) the social
mechanics of the people there (the audience = and/or=20 other performers). I try
not to pander. But there is an element to = it that=20 is akin to doing "site-specific
artwork."

For myself, I am = soooo very=20 limited as a musician that any thought of pandering
and any real = possibility=20 of popularity is probably beyond my ability anyway (heheheh). =
However, that=20 still leaves plenty of room to be at least a little sensitive to who =
is in=20 attendance and how much squonk and noise I should try to get away with = --=20 just
how far I can push the envelope with these folks in this venue. = Who else=20 is on the bill?
What sort of musical territory will they be marking = out? It=20 just seems sensible to
at least consider these things.

To me, = it's=20 all comes back to choosing the "colors" your going to paint with . . .=20 and
that is only a temporary choice. It's not like you have to stick = with it=20 for a whole
career . . . or even a whole evening. If I find myself = having=20 scribbled the air with
blistering, caustic, black tones and dark = chords for=20 most of a set I'l usually give
the audience a reward for their = endurance . .=20 . something "pretty," a piece of
dessert music, a little musical=20 after-dinner mint, or something.

Hey, I like "pretty" too. = Pastels are=20 nice from time to time.

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is = always=20 different"

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(v2.12.00) Personal Reply-To: Norman Lamont X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <406153860.20050719190110@normanlamont.com> To: ivan kapec Subject: Re: DD 20 ctl pedal In-Reply-To: <001701c58880$9ba8a780$8782bfd5@epi741531r1soi> References: <001701c58880$9ba8a780$8782bfd5@epi741531r1soi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Hello ivan, According to the manual 1. Switch off the power 2. While holding down the memory/tap pedal, switch on the power. The setting is indicated in teh display, an dthe memory 1-3 indicator corresponding to the current setting flashes. 3. Set the external pedal function pressing the Select button. Each time you press the Select button it switches through the 'on/off' and 'tap', 'mem' 4. Press the Write button After the memory number indicator begins flashing rapidly, the setting is stored in memory and the unit returns to its ordinary state. Hope this helps. YOu can download the whole manual at http://www.rolandus.com/products/pdf_manuals/product_manuals_form.asp?ProdId=DD-20&catId=3&SubCatId=21&Pdf=382 -- Best regards, Norman mailto:groups@normanlamont.com http://www.normanlamont.com Thursday, July 14, 2005, 3:30:38 PM, you wrote: ik> Hello, loopers! ik>   ik> I lost my manual from DD20and I would like to know how I can set mode >tap> ik> For control pedal. When Iplug ctl pedal, there is only on/off ik> mode, and I don’t know switch to tap mode. ik>   ik> Thanks a lot... ik>   ik>   ik> ivan kapec ik> ivan@triangulizona.com ik> www.triangulizona.com ik>   ik>   From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 19:20:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B23BC3BF39; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ud9lIujG1vBKcJYsrYaZ0zD3OPRMpl0Zso5npycs1zKHDQbvuEYlxGCuQdayQbkACWnOQKIaRYR0HTM4gvk3Guk0vsuN5P6QBGG9ICmToMldJf8gTu0FwavBkTlSc19WCRkMq9/ROdsShPTbFKyYUqnRLthxC/UiHBc2+m0NcgA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:19:55 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: someone else's Lex JamMan $200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:20:28 +0000 (UTC) http://seattle.craigslist.org/msg/85489722.html Saw this posted on the Seattle Craigslist for those of you who might be interested. Contact the mailing address in the link above for further info. Do not mail me about it--I have nothing to do with its sale. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 19 22:17:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1AD63BF3A; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QWGDrs2Iy8wiauF3S3RNiFXpxV5tUBwmQGqW1toM2ReOtapH2ZjIgIg/JfdNRqpH4ZtyoCn8cJUWs9c+2Uhws07TtfkBNzvGDKUBo4catc80S/O8oeeznrI5C9cCteASghKJPA5HIHkMfjkxNGHlzc8NBR4EguJm4zFmBS9aZTw= ; Message-ID: <20050719221733.87589.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:17:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: a solo looping band: pb with feedback! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050718210153.37932.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:17:34 +0000 (UTC) --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > Tim What kind of contact transducers do you use on > your guitar? Until the past year or so, the overwhelming majority of my live guitaring has been electric, with acoustic stuff relegated to in-the-studio with mics. Last year I tore apart my electric rig for the umpteenth time, and inertia/laziness/real life have conspired to delay me settling on how I'm going to reconfigure it. In the meantime, whenever I've played anywhere, I've just taken a bunch of pedals and sort of improvised a setup with varying degrees of success. It HAS helped me work on versatility and thinking on my feet, though. The acoustic to electric ratio has risen dramatically. But to answer your question, here's what's picking up my acoustics: 1) Washburn Monterey: stock Washburn undersaddle piezo into an aftermarket onboard Washburn Equis preamp (replacing the passive volume and tone that came on the guitar). 2) Fretless Yamaha classical: Dean Markley under-the-saddle piezo strip (looks sorta like tinfoil with 6 lumpy spots) into an onboard Belcat EQ-7545 preamp. This one's become one of my main instruments these days. 3) Sitar: K&K Twinspot, with one piezo under the main bridge and t'other under the sympathetics. Some sorta preamp would be nice with this, but I haven't gotten around to it... I hardly ever play out with this one. 4) Cello: K&K Big Shot under the foot of the bridge on the bass side. (Ditto for the note about a pre.) 5) Epiphone Jumbo, Nashville-strung: Magnetic soundhole pickup. (I forget the brand...) 6) Takamine 12 string, strung in unison pairs AADDAADDAADD: stock Takamine undersaddle piezo and preamp (Got that tuning from Väsen's Roger Tallroth) 7) Hurdy-gurdy: cheapo Schatten contact piezo mounted inside on the soundboard. (This one could REALLY use a preamp with as many bands of eq as possible) 8) Tanpura: K&K Big Shot under the bridge 9) Oud: No-name contact piezo on the soundboard. (Actually, right now it's just acoustic, since the adhesive dried up and the piezo fell off, and I haven't put it back on...) 10) Sojing electric nylon string: Belcat undersaddle piezo and EQ-7545 preamp. Also, my main electric (a Steinberger Spirit GT modded into a Klein shape for added comfort and resonance) has a cheapo dynamic mic element installed where the middle pickup used to be. -t- ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 00:04:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5E343BF28; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qytlzPq1AmnuQDAwoQ0z5zd85pLC35fxw7ynv4nCeRkX4dsWihmT91E5cKFJwUrITow5JjND/d4d/n8yVMv7bBFsBypIlgr6bn3gAgCOKjqSXOMDsDensry5LVY7RlDvlbn6vQN5YwiWcGG1bscTK+Swbx8zbz+wpB7xU3j5OlI= ; Message-ID: <20050720000420.53204.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: please allow me to introduce myself To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1424541485-1121817860=:51980" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:04:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-1424541485-1121817860=:51980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like the sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed while listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing keller williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping was the path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i hope to learn a lot from all of you loopers here. scary visionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1424541485-1121817860=:51980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 00:39:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8227E3BF20; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010e01c58cc3$8db79fe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: zen and the fluent music Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:39:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <67Eu4B.A.1L.a1Z3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Timothy Mungenast wrote: "Another interesting letter, Kris. Although I love what I have heard of your stuff, your story reminds me of how many other people's pieces intrigued me with their written descriptions and interviews with their composers, but when I heard the actual music, it did not resonate with me in the least. (No, I'm not talking about anybody on the list, guys and gals!) There's a lot of stuff that sounds good in theory only." Yeah, I agree, Tim! I have to say that I love the things that John Cage wrote about and loved his use of chance in music. I have a first edition, signed copy of "Silence" and it is one of my heirlooms (though I don't have an heir........) but quite frankly, I actually enjoy very little of his actual music. For some reason it just doesn't float my boat. One of my favorite things he did was the piece for toy piano and it doesn't even use any randomness in it. About how we think about music and it's process versus what the audience 'gets': I liken it to a Shakespearian actor: The audience will judge a performance of 'Hamlet' based on what they see the actor actually portray, completely irregardless of what method the actor has chosen; what schools of acting he/she has attended; whether he/she was happy, sad, fighting an IRS audience, getting over food poisoning or what have you. I think it is natural for musicians to want people to understand the hard work and planning and investment that have gone into our music but I think 95% of all audiences not only don't get it: they don't really care. At the same time when you buy a bagel and a cup of coffee from a young worker in the morning you probably don't think about how they had to eschew partying the night before so they could set there alarm clock in time to take the bus to get there to serve you. You just make a note of how they treat you, whether they are helpful or not and what the bagel and coffee taste like. In a wierd way, I think we have to let go of our performances the second they are put out there. As someone just said if the reactions of people weren't important in live looping then why would we go to the considerable effort to load the car, drive to the venue, load in, sound check, eat dinner at a place we would normally not eat at, do the gig, break down, load back into the car, drive home and load the car back into the garage? Wow, I'm tired just describing that process, lol. portrays From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 00:50:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F5CE3BF0F; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=21BKZ95UjRDtSPG8AD5vlV/pPowtJJoRv8450x5AL9vcZizPNiGKVf6CfZmlrQ9c4t94OzE7vy3x1xXz/ALiDewogvggJ7ZpsUPorMW1r/AXKyMKzs8ApSep3u0taVtL3evM31i8RWcxgBu6fNggzLu4OAHosYgJeRGe9nCgzW4= ; Message-ID: <20050720005033.51372.qmail@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: shroom looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050720000420.53204.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1011977776-1121820633=:50716" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:50:35 +0000 (UTC) --0-1011977776-1121820633=:50716 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Speaking of shrooms, did you know that our European ancestors used to "loop" their shroom dosages by continually drinking the urinal byproducts which were said become more potent with each recycle? - these were the humble origins of the great Western mystic and academic traditions. FYI... Monica daniel stevenson wrote: hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like the sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed while listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing keller williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping was the path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i hope to learn a lot from all of you loopers here. scary visionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Speaking of shrooms, did you know that our European ancestors used to "loop"
their shroom dosages by continually drinking the urinal byproducts which were
said become more potent with each recycle? - these were the humble origins
of the great Western mystic and academic traditions. FYI...
Monica

daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like the sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed while listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing keller williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping was the path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i hope to learn a lot from all of you loopers here.      scary visionary.

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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1011977776-1121820633=:50716-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 01:18:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 096C03BF1E; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FnA1JE6eGJEVbNtQ4pGZ5CC8ojy2aKQlPE04WtWifwS1I2+llOh2TGI6SKGt+0sW; Message-ID: <410-22005732012434140@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: rack neophyte Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:24:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f0918e82ca5ace685d144e8d58d8b125350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.148.222 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:18:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello Loopgurus: Lately, William Walker had been helping me a lot with my tech questions, but I figger he shouldn't have to bear that burden alone, so I am cutting and pasting my last needy run-on letter to him into this here message and hoping some of you will take pity on ol' Luddite Tim and spackle the holes in my consciousness. Could you help a stompbox junkie become Mister Rackmount? I am very new to the rack world; Now that I have gotten my greedy little hands on a Vortex, and a VF-1, and a Lexi 'verb, and no safe way to take them out to a gig and share the sounds, I must become Mister Rack Man, and I want to do all the right things and avoid all the usual stupid neophyte errors ;-) Y'know, overheating, 60-cycle hummm, psoraiasis... Went out and bought an IEC cord for the 'verb, and a bag of rack screws, and a Rolls Midibuddy and a MIDI cable (all the store had was a 5- footer). For power, I've got a Godlyke supply, which is lighter than the Vortex's wallwart but can't replace the stupid 5-pound 14-volt lump that the VF-1 uses (curse you, Roland!!) and I have at least 1 computer-grade power strip/surge protector lying around. A rack would be the next logical purchase, yes? (LOL) Something that would keep stuff alive if dropped onto pavement from about 4 feet. I'm thinking that these 3 boxes could be happy in a 4-up rack, the 4th space being for the foot controller... or should that stuff be in its own suitcase? Maybe I'm in over my head here and shoulda stuck with low tech? Con Queso, Tim Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Hello Loopgurus:
Lately, William Walker had been helping me a lot with my tech questions, but I figger he shouldn't have to bear that burden alone, so I am cutting and pasting my last needy run-on letter to him into this here message and hoping some of you will take pity on ol' Luddite Tim and spackle the holes in my consciousness.
 
Could you help a stompbox junkie become Mister Rackmount? I am very new to the rack world;
Now that I have gotten my greedy little hands on a  Vortex, and a VF-1, and a Lexi 'verb, and no safe way to take them out to a gig and share the sounds, I must become Mister Rack Man, and I  want to do all the right things and avoid all the usual stupid neophyte errors ;-)
Y'know, overheating, 60-cycle hummm, psoraiasis...   
 
Went out and bought an IEC cord for the 'verb, and a bag of rack screws, and a Rolls Midibuddy and a MIDI cable (all the store had was a 5- footer).
For power, I've got a Godlyke supply, which is lighter than the Vortex's wallwart but can't replace the stupid 5-pound 14-volt lump that the VF-1 uses (curse you, Roland!!) and I have at least 1 computer-grade power strip/surge protector lying around.
 
A rack would be the next logical purchase, yes? (LOL)
Something that would keep stuff alive if dropped onto pavement from about 4 feet.
I'm thinking that these 3 boxes could be happy in a 4-up rack, the 4th space being for the foot  controller... or should that stuff be in its own suitcase?
 
Maybe I'm in over my head here and shoulda stuck with low tech?
 
Con Queso,
Tim
 
 
 
Timothy Mungenast
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
 

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 01:20:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D1373BF1D; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kSmWmzPGhkKKKOQFkTs6gPrJkhyonKtIDWcQd2SHriC7QsnZAmb5Jrp4xoDUGbzxJh9Jup9wo9pVtD9Czs450KV00aLRsWO/EPipdeJma/dY/Ms/6JYaMcKyfkX7cDmGR01X/R6aTmMSOvfq1x8XrKaKGr7TM8+JZJTVkyVObWE= ; Message-ID: <20050720012031.18838.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: shroom looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050720005033.51372.qmail@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1785541731-1121822431=:18568" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:20:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-1785541731-1121822431=:18568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I jst heard a report that there's THC in the drinking water of Lichtenstein! >From feeding their cattle hemp. Forget the Brita! Pass my guitar! Monica wrote: Speaking of shrooms, did you know that our European ancestors used to "loop" their shroom dosages by continually drinking the urinal byproducts which were said become more potent with each recycle? - these were the humble origins of the great Western mystic and academic traditions. FYI... Monica daniel stevenson wrote: hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like the sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed while listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing keller williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping was the path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i hope to learn a lot from all of you loopers here. scary visionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1785541731-1121822431=:18568 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I jst heard a report that there's THC in the drinking water of Lichtenstein!
 
From feeding their cattle hemp.
 
Forget the Brita! Pass my guitar!

Monica <coolintensity@yahoo.com> wrote:
Speaking of shrooms, did you know that our European ancestors used to "loop"
their shroom dosages by continually drinking the urinal byproducts which were
said become more potent with each recycle? - these were the humble origins
of the great Western mystic and academic traditions. FYI...
Monica

daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like the sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed while listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing keller williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping was the path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i hope to learn a lot from all of you loopers here.      scary visionary.

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1785541731-1121822431=:18568-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 01:27:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FA073BF0C; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.17818dac.300f028b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:27:39 EDT Subject: Re: My "Pretty Song"... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13d.17818dac.300f028b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:27:47 +0000 (UTC) --part1_13d.17818dac.300f028b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Kris. I really wish I had the discipline to be a musical=20 "Swiss Army Knife" like some folks -- yourself for instance. I'm more of a busted Polish Army Knife (and that's being=20 unkind to Polish people). I do what I can do. Playing with=20 different folks puts me in a different musical head-space sometimes.=20 My friend Jeff (with whom I just played in Santa Cruz)=20 adamantly eschews almost all sense of rhythm or key=20 in his own work with a religious zeal. Though he did allow=20 for my tendency to be mostly tonal (sort of) and for his sake I avoided alll sense of groove for the evening we last played. Compromise is often neccessary for things to work. It kept me on my toes. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_13d.17818dac.300f028b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Kris. I really wish I had the di= scipline to be a musical
"Swiss Army Knife" like some folks -- yourself for instance.
I'm more of a busted Polish Army Knife (and that's being
unkind to Polish people). I do what I can do. Playing with
different folks puts me in a different musical head-space
sometimes.

My friend Jeff (with whom I just played in Santa Cruz)
adamantly eschews almost all sense of rhythm or key
in his own work with a religious zeal. Though he did allow
for my tendency to be mostly tonal (sort of) and for his sake
I avoided alll sense of groove for the evening we last played.
Compromise is often neccessary for things to work.

It kept me on my toes.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

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http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
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Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
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and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_13d.17818dac.300f028b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 01:33:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC1AE3BF22; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=y3eXaBbCg7N5KzpABzT+TKVLN+e8WeXqUMZHKx1qa8Hdk+pv8EuVKS/nCvo9Xkko4RIgvC83xxn0ibVNSPycsuzN1LcUs2NUMyO6N6TavH0C+rCXaS5IYodv8aILGBFOM1oqR/uNptT+IqY+aRM0oJSZ9OVQsKZm8FLHgSGmkFk= ; Message-ID: <20050720013312.44643.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:33:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: shroom looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050720012031.18838.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1937356391-1121823192=:43775" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:33:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-1937356391-1121823192=:43775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Glad Cow Disease? Wind Stick Devil wrote:I jst heard a report that there's THC in the drinking water of Lichtenstein! >From feeding their cattle hemp. Forget the Brita! Pass my guitar! Monica wrote: Speaking of shrooms, did you know that our European ancestors used to "loop" their shroom dosages by continually drinking the urinal byproducts which were said become more potent with each recycle? - these were the humble origins of the great Western mystic and academic traditions. FYI... Monica daniel stevenson wrote: hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like the sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed while listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing keller williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping was the path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i hope to learn a lot from all of you loopers here. scary visionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1937356391-1121823192=:43775 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Glad Cow Disease?

Wind Stick Devil <wklemmer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
I jst heard a report that there's THC in the drinking water of Lichtenstein!
 
From feeding their cattle hemp.
 
Forget the Brita! Pass my guitar!

Monica <coolintensity@yahoo.com> wrote:
Speaking of shrooms, did you know that our European ancestors used to "loop"
their shroom dosages by continually drinking the urinal byproducts which were
said become more potent with each recycle? - these were the humble origins
of the great Western mystic and academic traditions. FYI...
Monica

daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like the sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed while listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing keller williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping was the path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i hope to learn a lot from all of you loopers here.      scary visionary.

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Hi ,Loopers!!!!
 
Lothus -experimental electronic music project from Argentina-
Visit our web page    http://www.lothusmusik.com
(Info,mp3.pics & short-videos)
 
 
Thanks!!!


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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1056770035-1121825292=:81813-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 03:35:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2FEC3BF0B; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: toejam00@mac.com Subject: Re: My "Pretty Song"... Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:36:22 +0900 To: loopers delight X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:35:33 +0000 (UTC) At the risk of sounding very pedestrian, I liked "My Pretty Song." I don't quite understand why it has to be labeled "band-in-a-box" or "drivel." Sure, it may have under-utilized the sonic potential of Kris' rack, but I'd rather listen to a pretty song than an EDP version of Metal Machine Music. To my unschooled ears, far too much looping sounds like something that should have been done in the privacy of the "musician's" bedroom or shower. In my opinion, playing music live is a lot like sex, the reactions and feedback from your partner (or your audience) make the difference between a good gig and a bad one. Tricky Kama Sutra moves are pretty unsatisfying if your partner isn't getting into it. Conversely, pretty straight up stuff can be a lot of fun if your partner is getting off. There's a lot to be said for groove and melody. -Admittedly, the sex partner and audience analogy does break down. Where audiences are concerned, bigger is usually better. TJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 03:37:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8ECE3BF1E; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yZOgs+flnYWne/KHTJVqF7PEIeJvR1MGs/xtF2s8+fMNgRK0Uvc46LQWIbVhikvN5ocafI9o7w0VslbUuV/KHGrtx69zG8TMG+5xgVXFDb3JXORGArcB2pdRw4ZI8CM3VMMhvo+0S7gaqpO3iiI0V37+bwjy4S8cqmxOYyF3Weo= ; Message-ID: <20050720033715.27301.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:37:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: a solo looping band: pb with feedback! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050719221733.87589.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Tim,i just installed a Trance Audio on my guitar but haven´t been too happy with it because i installed it myself and everybody that uses this systems say that it requires a certain amount of vodoo;-)so i guess ill let them do it next time i am in california.The fact that it has its own dedicated cable is also a bit of a drag so ill probably end up putting an aditional magnetic on it with a separate second output. I was checking out the amazing guitarist Jon Gomm and he also mentions the much cheaper belcat transducers,have u try them? Luis --- Tim Nelson wrote: > --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > > > Tim What kind of contact transducers do you use on > > your guitar? > > Until the past year or so, the overwhelming majority > of my live guitaring has been electric, with > acoustic > stuff relegated to in-the-studio with mics. > > Last year I tore apart my electric rig for the > umpteenth time, and inertia/laziness/real life have > conspired to delay me settling on how I'm going to > reconfigure it. In the meantime, whenever I've > played > anywhere, I've just taken a bunch of pedals and sort > of improvised a setup with varying degrees of > success. > It HAS helped me work on versatility and thinking on > my feet, though. The acoustic to electric ratio has > risen dramatically. > > But to answer your question, here's what's picking > up > my acoustics: > 1) Washburn Monterey: stock Washburn undersaddle > piezo into an aftermarket onboard Washburn Equis > preamp (replacing the passive volume and tone that > came on the guitar). > 2) Fretless Yamaha classical: Dean Markley > under-the-saddle piezo strip (looks sorta like > tinfoil > with 6 lumpy spots) into an onboard Belcat EQ-7545 > preamp. This one's become one of my main instruments > these days. > 3) Sitar: K&K Twinspot, with one piezo under the > main > bridge and t'other under the sympathetics. Some > sorta > preamp would be nice with this, but I haven't gotten > around to it... I hardly ever play out with this > one. > 4) Cello: K&K Big Shot under the foot of the bridge > on > the bass side. (Ditto for the note about a pre.) > 5) Epiphone Jumbo, Nashville-strung: Magnetic > soundhole pickup. (I forget the brand...) > 6) Takamine 12 string, strung in unison pairs > AADDAADDAADD: stock Takamine undersaddle piezo and > preamp (Got that tuning from Väsen's Roger Tallroth) > 7) Hurdy-gurdy: cheapo Schatten contact piezo > mounted > inside on the soundboard. (This one could REALLY use > a > preamp with as many bands of eq as possible) > 8) Tanpura: K&K Big Shot under the bridge > 9) Oud: No-name contact piezo on the soundboard. > (Actually, right now it's just acoustic, since the > adhesive dried up and the piezo fell off, and I > haven't put it back on...) > 10) Sojing electric nylon string: Belcat undersaddle > piezo and EQ-7545 preamp. > > Also, my main electric (a Steinberger Spirit GT > modded > into a Klein shape for added comfort and resonance) > has a cheapo dynamic mic element installed where the > middle pickup used to be. > > -t- > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 04:25:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7B333BF1D; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 04:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rds8000 Subject: (2) Lexicon Vortex Units Wanted Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:25:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 04:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I'm on a FX quest to find a 2 Lexicon Vortex units (Vortices? :) ) in working order. I've heard so much about these and want to try tacking them on to the tail end of my stereo looping setup. Send me details if you have one for sale Adam PS: If you are up for trades I have an XP200 Modulator that has been custom modded to switch between all four XP modules (This mean you'll have the XP100 Whammy/Wah, XP200 Modulator, XP300 SPace Station and the XP400 Reverberator in ONE pedal). Pics available... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 05:14:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D2643BF22; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 05:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: My "Pretty Song"... Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:14:30 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB2E0@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: My "Pretty Song"... thread-index: AcWM3BdQl6BWtVyGRQKGO6p0HTenzgAB77mw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2005 05:14:31.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[E917D910:01C58CE9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 05:14:42 +0000 (UTC) I called it "drivel", TJ, but I was being facetious in a self deprecating way in response to Claude's expression of personal feeling about the tune. I'd be betraying myself if I were to downgrade anything I played and recorded live. I am a multi-faceted player, and everything I do on stage is fully intentionally and played with conviction. Sure, I'd rather be playing off the wall, experimental music (that being the ideal state), but despite my comments about growing weary of "pretty music", I always mix it up at my performances, incorporating many genres, complexities, and feels - jazz, world, Indian, fusion, free-style, pop, country, atonal, tonal, rhythmic, non-rhythmic, etc. Nothing is sacred, or all is sacred for me. I'm only an extremist in thought, hardly ever in practice. :) If you like that tune, you might like these as well.. "Behind the Scenes": http://box.net/public/khartung/files/299971.html (not pre-written like that previous song, but entirely improvised, chords and all...a little more difficult to call Band in a Box, given the jazz chord voicings and free-style I'm using) "Through and Through": http://box.net/public/khartung/files/298261.html (another improvised tune, more contemporary and pop-like) "Places": http://box.net/public/khartung/files/251380.html (from my debut solo CD "Places"....free flowing intro, all improvised) "On Park Center": http://box.net/public/khartung/files/251379.html (from my debut solo CD "Places"...derived from a jazz chart I wrote several years ago) All these taken from my catalogue of over 75 downloadable MP3s, here: http://www.boisemusicians.com/mp3.htm By the way, I like your sex analogy! I don't see that comparison that often. :) Respectfully, Kris -----Original Message----- From: toejam00@mac.com [mailto:toejam00@mac.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:36 PM To: loopers delight Subject: Re: My "Pretty Song"... At the risk of sounding very pedestrian, I liked "My Pretty Song." I don't quite understand why it has to be labeled "band-in-a-box" or "drivel." Sure, it may have under-utilized the sonic potential of Kris' rack, but I'd rather listen to a pretty song than an EDP version of Metal Machine Music. To my unschooled ears, far too much looping sounds like something that should have been done in the privacy of the "musician's" bedroom or shower. In my opinion, playing music live is a lot like sex, the reactions and feedback from your partner (or your audience) make the difference between a good gig and a bad one. Tricky Kama Sutra moves are pretty unsatisfying if your partner isn't getting into it. Conversely, pretty straight up stuff can be a lot of fun if your partner is getting off. There's a lot to be said for groove and melody. -Admittedly, the sex partner and audience analogy does break down. =20 Where audiences are concerned, bigger is usually better. TJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 05:17:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EC183BF35; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 05:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: shroom looping Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:17:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C58CAF.B1487B50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050720013312.44643.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 05:17:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C58CAF.B1487B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm gonna put Lichtenstein on my itinery! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: shroom looping Glad Cow Disease? Wind Stick Devil wrote: I jst heard a report that there's THC in the drinking water of Lichtenstein! From feeding their cattle hemp. Forget the Brita! Pass my guitar! Monica wrote: Speaking of shrooms, did you know that our European ancestors used to "loop" their shroom dosages by continually drinking the urinal byproducts which were said become more potent with each recycle? - these were the humble origins of the great Western mystic and academic traditions. FYI... Monica daniel stevenson wrote: hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like the sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed while listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing keller williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping was the path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i hope to learn a lot from all of you loopers here. scary visionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Glad Cow Disease?

Wind Stick Devil=20 <wklemmer1@yahoo.com> wrote:=20
I jst heard a report that there's THC in the drinking water of=20 Lichtenstein!
 
From feeding their cattle hemp.
 
Forget the Brita! Pass my guitar!

Monica=20 <coolintensity@yahoo.com> wrote:
Speaking of shrooms, did you = know that our=20 European ancestors used to "loop"
their shroom dosages by = continually=20 drinking the urinal byproducts which were
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of the great Western mystic = and academic=20 traditions. FYI...
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hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should = divulge some=20 info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 = string=20 acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its = been a=20 new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy = store.i=20 really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have = learned a lot=20 from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like = the=20 sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley = jordan/ottmar=20 liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi = shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed = while=20 listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing = keller=20 williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping = was the=20 path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i = hope to=20 learn a lot from all of you loopers = here.     =20 scary visionary.

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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C58CAF.B1487B50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 05:57:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F15843BF38; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 05:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C58CEF.DCC3A9F2" Subject: RE: LOTHUS -experimental electronic music- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:57:06 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB2E1@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LOTHUS -experimental electronic music- thread-index: AcWMz/SMKoEXco8ERfytTmmD8jRwOAAHeW+w From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2005 05:57:08.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD1B1860:01C58CEF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 05:57:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58CEF.DCC3A9F2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nicely designed website. You have some seriously intense stereo imaging and panning going on in those sound clips. I like it! I'm impressed by the photos in your images page as well, the colors and artistic approach I watched all your videos...very bizarre...on the first three (009, 0071, 0046), because of the lighting and colors, I couldn't even tell what I was looking at was human...seemed more machine/alien like...intriguing shapes, nebulous, non-distinct. They kept me wondering. Either that or my eyes are shot. :) =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: Lothus [mailto:lothustronic@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LOTHUS -experimental electronic music- Hi ,Loopers!!!! =20 Lothus -experimental electronic music project from Argentina- Visit our web page http://www.lothusmusik.com =20 (Info,mp3.pics & short-videos) =20 =20 Thanks!!! Lothus - electronic sound art- http://www.lothusmusik.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58CEF.DCC3A9F2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nicely designed website. You have some = seriously intense=20 stereo imaging and panning going on in those sound clips. I like = it! =20 I'm impressed by the photos in your images page as well, the = colors and=20 artistic approach  I watched all your videos...very bizarre...on = the first=20 three (009, 0071, 0046), because of the lighting and colors, I couldn't = even=20 tell what I was looking at was human...seemed more machine/alien=20 like...intriguing shapes, nebulous, non-distinct. They kept me = wondering. =20 Either that or my eyes are shot. :)
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C58CEF.DCC3A9F2-- From LelaHolden@egyptian-consulate.com Wed Jul 20 05:59:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from 169.196.17.210.dyn.pacific.net.hk (169.196.17.210.dyn.pacific.net.hk [210.17.196.169]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 861183BF11 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 05:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DeR@localhost by 5CZ2.int (8.11.6/8.11.6); Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:04:34 -0500 Message-ID: <5[20 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 05:59:25 +0000 (UTC) From: LelaHolden@egyptian-consulate.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 06:38:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 714453BF26; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: please allow me to introduce myself Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:38:21 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050720000420.53204.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:32:35 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.62.97 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:38:47 +0000 (UTC) hi daniel, welcome to the loopers' list. 12-string and dl-4 sounds good -michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 07:45:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D7DC3BF40; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Cq5KyGA0JNu7wp2CklYmKDxIqVk4mVv5ILM6vNEZMkOEIIh6byOxile/ZdXN+vmCDWfCcgh26jHmZwlDBSUkTH0m7lFuwQhOz0aKNN2aPwlM3j2dQ5w0ig2JYgbQcyyafrTgG9JSZKfOYSpm4qEBDUdS3zzQ6dIbef3TpjrQMys= ; Message-ID: <004901c58cfe$f434a5c0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20050720020812.81876.qmail@web34012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: ne analog delay pedal Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:45:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C58D0F.B72C5950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:45:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C58D0F.B72C5950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Just for info: Diamond Guitar Pedals will be introducing the Memory Lane analog delay = pedal at this year's Summer NAMM show, featuring true tap tempo, and = -more interesting I guess- an insert loop in the delay feedback path. This is the first time I see this feature in a delay pedal but I may be = wrong.=20 Too bad the max delay is just 550 ms . http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Content/Diamond_Pedals/PR/Memory-= Lane.html ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C58D0F.B72C5950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Just for info:

Diamond Guitar Pedals will be introducing = the Memory=20 Lane analog delay pedal at this year's Summer NAMM show, featuring true = tap=20 tempo, and -more interesting I guess- an insert loop in the delay = feedback=20 path.

This is the first time I see this feature = in a delay=20 pedal but I may be wrong.

Too bad the max delay is just 550 ms = .

http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Content/Diamon= d_Pedals/PR/Memory-Lane.html

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Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 08:27:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 519CE3BF3B; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:27:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050720085900.02d7d390@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:22:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:zen and the fluent music-Cage In-Reply-To: <20050720005035.DC2CD3BF35@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050720005035.DC2CD3BF35@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-wQ8NC.A.FjB.trg3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:27:25 +0000 (UTC) > have to say that I love the things that John Cage wrote about and > loved his use of chance in music. I have a first edition, signed > copy of "Silence" and it is one of my heirlooms (though I don't > have an heir........) but quite frankly, I actually >enjoy very little of his actual music. wow, Can't believe you don't love the prepared piano stuff. kind of gamelan mutates into Eric Satie Sure he also did a lot of stuff where reading the description was just as enlightening as hearing the music. http://www.naxos.com/mainsite/default.asp?pn=Composers&char=C&ComposerID=165 (the naxos site has soundbites from a vast range of stuff, if you sign up to their very occasional newsletters) andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 09:32:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC2E43BF38; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e001c58d0d$e3e341e0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20050720000420.53204.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: please allow me to introduce myself Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:32:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C58D1E.A751D320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:32:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C58D1E.A751D320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome on board, Daniel. Fabio=20 (from Italy) http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url ----- Original Message -----=20 From: daniel stevenson=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:04 AM Subject: please allow me to introduce myself hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some = info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string = acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a = new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i = really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot = from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like the = sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar = liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi = shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed while = listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing keller = williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping was the = path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i hope to = learn a lot from all of you loopers here. scary visionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge = some=20 info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string = acoustic=20 thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new = begining for=20 me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i really really = enjoy=20 the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot from reading the = mailing=20 list.im improvisational in style i like the sounds of al = demieola/adrian=20 legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar liebert/buckethead/steve=20 roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi shankar/junior brown/are the = names i=20 remember/ im always dazed while listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite = radio=20 program)i guess seeing keller williams at hookaville was when it all = became=20 clear that looping was the path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind = works on=20 shrooms"i hope to learn a lot from all of you loopers=20 here.      scary visionary.

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------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C58D1E.A751D320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 09:37:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8D813BF1E; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005701c58d0e$9e13e650$83f15651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <20050720000420.53204.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: please allow me to introduce myself Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:37:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C58D16.FED472E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:37:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C58D16.FED472E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi This community is a give and take sort of place, we share = experiences/thoughts/ideas etc.. we can help with the looping could you = help with the lottery numbers between now and dec.2005? :) What does the future hold? Dan www.danmayfield.com ----- Original Message=20 "hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some = info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string = acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a = new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store." ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C58D16.FED472E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
 
This community is a give and take sort = of place, we=20 share experiences/thoughts/ideas etc.. we can help with the looping = could you=20 help with the lottery numbers between now and dec.2005? :)
 
What does the future hold?
 
Dan
www.danmayfield.com
 
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"hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge = some=20 info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string = acoustic=20 thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new = begining for=20 me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy=20 store."
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C58D16.FED472E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 10:36:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8B373BF1D; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005a01c58d16$f2bdd050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re:zen and the fluent music-Cage Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:36:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Andy wrote: "wow, Can't believe you don't love the prepared piano stuff. ..............kind of gamelan mutates into Eric Satie....." Oh, my bad, Andy. I LOVE THE PREPARED PIANO STUFF TO DEATH!!!!!! Am I shouting? Why yes, I am. Seriously, it has had an enormous impact on the way I play music. I am so into 'preparing' anything from traditional trapset drums (where i have tried every single type of substance to get alternate sounds out of drum heads and cymbals) to my toy guitars and basses. My latest thing was inspired by a very, very young and brilliant student, Elias, who is the son of the wonderfully talented couple Rick (made custom guitars for everyone from Linsdey Buckingham to Prince) and Jessica Turner (a wonderful child musical educator) he asked me about a couple of piezo pickups that I bought for cheap for triggering samples from acoustic drums. He took the piezo , turned up loud and then held it against one of my beautiful resonant brass candy dishes so that the pick up itself was the vibrating resonator. The vibration of the bowl 'buzzes' the pickup...........add to that the feedback from amp proximity and you can play both that resonance (hold it harder agains the bowl and the buzzes are more frequent, away and they slow down and last longer) and the feedback which both interact. It's hard to control but I want to just improvise for a half an hour and then cut it all up and loop it in the computer. He's got me trying this technique with all kinds of sounds now, including the new Door-Stop-A-Phone that my father just built me (9 different sized door stoppers on a resonator/guitar like body). Yeah, the prepared piano stuff................so cool. Matter of fact, there was a very creative artist owned warehouse in Santa Cruz for a long time and they had a huge and very fucked up sounding board from an ancient grand piano. They just had it standing up against one wall and I use to love going in their and 'playing' it. I always wanted to record a piece on it but the city tore the damn thing down before I could. Yeah, the prepared piano stuff. how could I forget that stuff? Like you say, Reich meets gamelan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 10:49:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1543F3BF20; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:49:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <005a01c58d16$f2bdd050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <005a01c58d16$f2bdd050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music-Cage Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:49:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:49:53 +0000 (UTC) > Andy wrote: > "wow, Can't believe you don't love the prepared piano stuff. > ..............kind of gamelan mutates into Eric Satie....." That was actually the first stuff I heard from Cage. It was played on radio and I spent years looking for more of that fantastic music, but it turned out I never found anything by Cage I enjoyed as much. But, as the original poster said, a lot of his writings are very interesting and inspiring. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 11:08:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04DA83BF26; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050720020812.81876.qmail@web34012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050720020812.81876.qmail@web34012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <74B0F0B0-8961-484A-BA1C-C13CDBB45D33@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: 10 new pieces posted Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:08:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Dear Fellow Loopers, If anyone is interested I posted ten songs at http://www.looproom.com/ flg/ These are mono compatible stereo mixes. I have also mixed all pieces for 5.1 surround system (minus center front speaker), but that's a bit complicated to put on the web ;-) The surround mixes will go on a DVD-v in november together with movie artworks by Samuel Poromaa. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 11:21:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 121883BEDC; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050720020812.81876.qmail@web34012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050720020812.81876.qmail@web34012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LOTHUS -experimental electronic music- Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:21:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:21:31 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 20, 2005, at 4:08, Lothus wrote: > Hi ,Loopers!!!! > > Lothus -experimental electronic music project from Argentina- > Visit our web page http://www.lothusmusik.com > (Info,mp3.pics & short-videos) Thanks! I enjoyed that music (the three mp3 files) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 11:39:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 959763BF1A; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: 10 new pieces posted Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 05:39:39 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB2EE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 10 new pieces posted thread-index: AcWNG2vXcm1n7GUST7WJ9KV6fcmolAAAlTNQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2005 11:39:41.0214 (UTC) FILETIME=[B78163E0:01C58D1F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Per, this is a whole new way of training corporate America in the area of professional skills! :) Some of the narration is almost uncomfortably familiar to me, and similar to the lingo I hear at training classes I've taken in the past at Hewlett-Packard on project management, leadership, and consultative skills. I love the sexy sound of the girl's voice talking about delegation, experiments, and challenges. ...makes me want to go back to work and tell people what to do! All you need is a song on coaching employees as a manager, and I'm going to hire you as a consultant for HP! Great music! It sounds like you spent a lot of time getting these tunes to sound just right. I'd love to hear the surround versions. These by themselves sound amazing. I love the synchronized baby talk on Your Best Experience...cute. =20 I hope you make boat loads of money off this production. Do you provide a training booklet to go along with it? You really could make this a complete self-paced learning package if you followed some basic industry standard principles in instructional design and human performance technology. People could read through various learning materials and do exercises and assessments while listening to each song. I'm in the corporate training business, and I haven't seen this done yet. You really should think about doing this, if you're not already working on it.=20 ...I'm still getting through the last few songs now. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 10 new pieces posted Dear Fellow Loopers, If anyone is interested I posted ten songs at http://www.looproom.com/ flg/ These are mono compatible stereo mixes. I have also mixed all pieces for 5.1 surround system (minus center front speaker), but that's a bit complicated to put on the web ;-) The surround mixes will go on a DVD-v in november together with movie artworks by Samuel Poromaa. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 12:09:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03AB13BF1E; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB2EE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB2EE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <393D4FF5-DE2C-48B5-8B2B-EF4BE18E726F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 10 new pieces posted Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:09:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:09:32 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 20, 2005, at 13:39, Hartung, Kris wrote: > . Do you provide > a training booklet to go along with it? You really could make this a > complete self-paced learning package if you followed some basic > industry > standard principles in instructional design and human performance > technology. People could read through various learning materials > and do > exercises and assessments while listening to each song. I'm in the > corporate training business, and I haven't seen this done yet. You > really should think about doing this, if you're not already working on > it. Kris, you seem to get the "edutainment" concept right away! :-) Yes, a booklet etc is being produced to go with the DVD. But that's not my responsibility, I'm just making the music to match Davids voice. The Swedish company Noden http://www.noden.se/ (also in English) is functioning as the curator (a nicer word for "investor" or "sponsor") and these guys are up to finishing the complete edutainment package. They do arrange a lot of events where the edutainment product will be used and they are also out fishing for distribution deals. The collaboration with David Cowley and Ashridge Management College in UK is the first project I'm doing with Noden. We have a nice little edutainment production team going now and hope to be able to record some more top speakers to be put out worldwide in a similar way. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 15:02:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 282D73BF38; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017101c58d3c$05814800$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20050720020812.81876.qmail@web34012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: LOTHUS -experimental electronic music- Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:02:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_016E_01C58D4C.C8EFD940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:02:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_016E_01C58D4C.C8EFD940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice clips and very clearly recordings. Because I like hear acoustic instruments in electronics contexts, and = because of the strange description, I'm curious about "Ars Cottolengo - = bandoneon, stick & drum trio. Non-tango retro futuristic style". Do you = have some clips ? Fabio http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lothus=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:08 AM Subject: LOTHUS -experimental electronic music- Hi ,Loopers!!!! Lothus -experimental electronic music project from Argentina- Visit our web page http://www.lothusmusik.com=20 (Info,mp3.pics & short-videos) Thanks!!! Lothus - electronic sound art- http://www.lothusmusik.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Nice clips and very = clearly=20 recordings.
Because I like hear = acoustic=20 instruments in electronics contexts, and because of the strange = description, I'm=20 curious about "Ars Cottolengo - bandoneon, = stick=20 & drum trio. Non-tango retro futuristic style". Do you have some = clips=20 ?
 
Fabio
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Subject: LOTHUS -experimental = electronic=20 music-

Hi ,Loopers!!!!
 
Lothus -experimental electronic music project from = Argentina-
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------=_NextPart_000_016E_01C58D4C.C8EFD940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 15:38:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DA253BF3A; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.203] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB2EE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 10 new pieces posted Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:38:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2005 15:38:00.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[028A0EC0:01C58D41] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:38:02 +0000 (UTC) >-----Original Message----- >From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] >Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:09 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: 10 new pieces posted > >Dear Fellow Loopers, > >If anyone is interested I posted ten songs at http://www.looproom.com/ great stuff! sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 15:53:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 920483BF3D; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4NILtRKqjT/8aPFYmg830U5N5uZpBBWQPXmMH2n7iL0k+owjcu6w2HbXCHOT2gpPeXpkftYi2gflH/r36nptzZ2J5E4Lh+H5BdqxpS91YcLbM62t/QVP88WzpP0bQoU7r5gtY4zJQKqwVz7NV5yhz9vULGzJXNDZyx4mFhrDAH8= ; Message-ID: <20050720155322.78480.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:53:21 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: Recording Loop Problem/DOD D-12 (lexicon mpx100?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050719173956.730523BF3B@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:53:23 +0000 (UTC) i'm having a problem lately w/ recording some of my loop experiments w/ my DOD D-12. i usually record a mono signal through my processing and then to the DOD D-12, then the signal goes to my Lexicon MPX100 and from there i output a stereo signal to my digital recorder. what has been happening is that in some of my long loop recordings (10-12 min) i'm using the 4 banks of 6 sec samples, i've been noticing that after a minute or two, the signal stops being a stereo signal and reverts to mono signal to each side and what happens is the stuff i've been playing over the samples, never gets recorded. has this happened to anyone else who uses a DOD D-12? i'm trying to figure out if its my cables (i've been changing them around) or if its the D-12 or the Lex Mpx100. i may have to break down my system & add one element at a time to see where i'm getting the problem. just curious if anyone had a solution. s---- ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 16:32:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5067B3BF41; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com u...talent:) Message-Id: <20050720163254.A6B7A3BF26@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:32:54 +0000 (UTC) From: sony@real.com To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:32:55 +0000 (UTC)
 
Thank you,
Sony
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 07/20/05 04:= 39:46
Subject: RE: 10 ne= w pieces posted
 
Per, this is a whole new way of training corporate America in the ar= ea
of professional skills! :)   Some of the narration is almo= st
uncomfortably familiar to me, and similar to the lingo I hear at
training classes I've taken in the past at Hewlett-Packard on projec= t
management, leadership, and consultative skills.  I love t= he sexy sound
of the girl's voice talking about delegation, experiments, and
challenges.  ...makes me want to go back to work and tell = people what to
do!   All you need is a song on coaching employees as a ma= nager, and I'm
going to hire you as a consultant for HP!
 
Great music! It sounds like you spent a lot of time getting these tu= nes
to sound just right.  I'd love to hear the surround versio= ns.  These by
themselves sound amazing.
 
I love the synchronized baby talk on Your Best Experience...cute.
 
I hope you make boat loads of money off this production. Do you prov= ide
a training booklet to go along with it? You really could make this a=
complete self-paced learning package if you followed some basic indu= stry
standard principles in instructional design and human performance
technology.  People could read through various learning ma= terials and do
exercises and assessments while listening to each song.  I= 'm in the
corporate training business, and I haven't seen this done yet. =  You
really should think about doing this, if you're not already working = on
it.
 
.I'm still getting through the last few songs now.
 
Kris
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen= =2Ese]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:09 AM
Subject: 10 new pieces posted
 
Dear Fellow Loopers,
 
If anyone is interested I posted ten songs at http://www.looproom.com/
flg/
 
These are mono compatible stereo mixes. I have also mixed all pieces= for
5.1 surround system (minus center front speaker), but that's a bit
complicated to put on the web ;-)  The surround mixes will= go on a DVD-v
in november together with movie artworks by Samuel Poromaa.
 
Greetings from Sweden
 
Per Boysen
www.looproom.com (internatio= nal)
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
--->  iTunes Music Store (digital)
 
 
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looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2B543BF3F; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1121879290!27244863!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2C7@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Recording Loop Problem/DOD D-12 (lexicon mpx100?) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:01:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C58D4C.A217D930" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:08:12 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58D4C.A217D930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>i usually record a mono signal through my processing and then to the DOD D-12, then the signal goes to my Lexicon MPX100 and from there i output a stereo signal to my digital recorder.... after a minute or two, the signal stops being a stereo signal and reverts to mono signal...<< scott- the d12 has a mix output & a delay-only output, doesn't it? isn't the d12 a mono device anyway? I haven't used mine for a while & it's 200 miles away... :-) but it sounds to me more like there's an issue with the mpx100 or the cabling from it to y'r recorder. you aren't, by chance, using a stereo jack that's getting shorted out inside it's cover? I don't know the lex at all... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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>>i usually record a mono signal through my process= ing
and then to the DOD D-12, then the signal goes to my
Lexicon MPX100 and from there i output a stereo signal
to my digital recorder.... after a minute or two, the si= gnal
stops being a stereo signal and reverts to mono signal..= .<<

scott- the d12 has a mix output & a delay-only output= , doesn't it? isn't the d12 a mono device anyway? I haven't used mine for a= while & it's 200 miles away... :-)

but it sounds to me more like there's an issue with the m= px100 or the cabling from it to y'r recorder. you aren't, by chance, using = a stereo jack that's getting shorted out inside it's cover? I don't know th= e lex at all...



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C58D4C.A217D930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 17:31:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD5383BF40; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:31:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QM06ERNUKBp4HZ2+gwP6NW8NT62jfVu8x5Hv/7icTIbjwJplvfhQVGZi1N5tbQvdKDu2Op/LZVNqHdMUSASe5DOjBqltRmiW6d+bZ74YNgCQlqlipEObN8lBxXWO7GjHDq9MEfA8as8T9CrdRzWi8m2SxyZW+rWA5ifsnv2ROjM= ; Message-ID: <20050720173056.31273.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: shroom looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050720013312.44643.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-868273406-1121880656=:29464" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:31:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-868273406-1121880656=:29464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit those wacky ancestors of ours...i bet they was all like~~~you try it...im not gonna try it...(they must have been peaking hard....pee king hard.lol Monica wrote:Glad Cow Disease? Wind Stick Devil wrote: I jst heard a report that there's THC in the drinking water of Lichtenstein! >From feeding their cattle hemp. Forget the Brita! Pass my guitar! Monica wrote: Speaking of shrooms, did you know that our European ancestors used to "loop" their shroom dosages by continually drinking the urinal byproducts which were said become more potent with each recycle? - these were the humble origins of the great Western mystic and academic traditions. FYI... Monica daniel stevenson wrote: hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like the sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed while listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing keller williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping was the path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i hope to learn a lot from all of you loopers here. scary visionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-868273406-1121880656=:29464 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
those wacky ancestors of ours...i bet they was all like~~~you try it...im not gonna try it...(they must have been peaking hard....pee king  hard.lol

Monica <coolintensity@yahoo.com> wrote:
Glad Cow Disease?

Wind Stick Devil <wklemmer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
I jst heard a report that there's THC in the drinking water of Lichtenstein!
 
From feeding their cattle hemp.
 
Forget the Brita! Pass my guitar!

Monica <coolintensity@yahoo.com> wrote:
Speaking of shrooms, did you know that our European ancestors used to "loop"
their shroom dosages by continually drinking the urinal byproducts which were
said become more potent with each recycle? - these were the humble origins
of the great Western mystic and academic traditions. FYI...
Monica

daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like the sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed while listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing keller williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping was the path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i hope to learn a lot from all of you loopers here.      scary visionary.

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-868273406-1121880656=:29464-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 17:37:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BDB13BF45; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1121881047!29304981!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2C6@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: means to an end (was "the diatonic-chromatic-noise paradigm") Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:27:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C58D47.DE8B1B20" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:37:31 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58D47.DE8B1B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>Personally I find it really annoying when I can identify particular patches or equipment sounds in other peoples music (you'd think I'd be over DX-7 bell sounds by now but no, everytime I hear one its a pavlovian kind of response and not a good one). This is a sure fire way to be ejected from any actual appreciation of the music and into a completely different head space.<< I hear ya.... this raises a whole different issue for me though: I think similar responses to an over-used (& hence over-familiar) sound are evoked in non-technical listeners aswell. they might not be aware of the reason.... they might even prefer the familiar to the strange.... the more my band sounds like a certain german outfit from the 70s, the more some people seem to like it... bear with me. this has ramifications for loop-based composition aswell. repetition apparently without variation has a certain merit as an artistic effect. repetition with subtle variation is different. I suspect, & propose, that the reason is some sort of aural fingerprinting. the same sort of thing that enables seasoned listeners to identify the source of a single sample (like, for example, bonzo's bass-drum from the beginning of "when the levee breaks", which a great many people would recognise instantly even though it's barely a second long). (it's just resurfaced, along with the equally unmistakeable snare part & a synthesized version of the bassline, in a UK TV commercial; I forget what for.) I think, furthermore, that this same effect is behind my preference for vinyl over cd. the cd is exactly the same every time you play it, while there are minute variations in the sound of the vinyl, preventing the brain from knowing exactly what's coming next. the closer the match between what's heard & the pre-existing "fingerprint", the less exciting the experience (for me, anyway). but ymmv- after all, some listeners might get their jollies from the reassurance that all is the same as last time. how does this relate to live vs recorded music, or composition vs improv? or more importantly, our original question about how much or how little a listener needs/wants to know of the process behind the music? how much of the listener's expectations of a musical experience is innate or instinctive, & how much learned? I'd like to do a research paper on this, & start interviewing audience members & cd-buyers.... I wish I had the time. but maybe on an informal basis, us loopers could gather some raw data.. I know of software that exploits energy spectrum fingerprinting. the philips electronics giant sent a researcher graduate to see me about this in connection with my work here at mtv; it was impressive but had no business application for mtv. now (in the UK) you can dial a service called shazam from a mobile 'phone & have it tell you what the track is you're listening to.... I would at least like to develop this theory about audio fingerprinting in the human brain. any or all of the above could be extrapolated to cover not just the sounds but also the structure of the music; formulaic compositional methods (so-called classical music, ABACAB pop-songs &c) through to apparently unstructured free jazz, improv, musique concrete.... again, with varying degrees of audience satisfaction & produced by methods holding different degrees of fascination in their own right for those audiences. any thoughts, anyone? duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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>>Personally I find it re= ally annoying when I can identify particular
patches or equipment sounds in= other peoples music (you'd think I'd be
over DX-7 bell sounds by now b= ut no, everytime I hear one its a
pavlovian kind of response and= not a good one).  This is a sure fire way
to be ejected from any actual = appreciation of the music and into a
completely different head spac= e.<<

I hear ya.... this raises a who= le different issue for me though: I think similar responses to an over-used= (& hence over-familiar) sound are evoked in non-technical listeners as= well. they might not be aware of the reason.... they might even prefer the = familiar to the strange.... the more my band sounds like a certain german o= utfit from the 70s, the more some people seem to like it...

bear with me. this has ramifica= tions for loop-based composition aswell.
repetition apparently without = variation has a certain merit as an artistic effect.
repetition with subtle variati= on is different.

I suspect, & propose, that = the reason is some sort of aural fingerprinting. the same sort of thing tha= t enables seasoned listeners to identify the source of a single sample (lik= e, for example, bonzo's bass-drum from the beginning of "when the leve= e breaks", which a great many people would recognise instantly even th= ough it's barely a second long).

(it's just resurfaced, along wi= th the equally unmistakeable snare part & a synthesized version of the = bassline, in a UK TV commercial; I forget what for.)

I think, furthermore, that this= same effect is behind my preference for vinyl over cd. the cd is exactly t= he same every time you play it, while there are minute variations in the so= und of the vinyl, preventing the brain from knowing exactly what's coming n= ext.

the closer the match between wh= at's heard & the pre-existing "fingerprint", the less excitin= g the experience (for me, anyway).

but ymmv- after all, some liste= ners might get their jollies from the reassurance that all is the same as l= ast time.

how does this relate to live vs= recorded music, or composition vs improv? or more importantly, our origina= l question about how much or how little a listener needs/wants to know of t= he process behind the music? how much of the listener's expectations of a m= usical experience is innate or instinctive, & how much learned?<= /P>

I'd like to do a research paper= on this, & start interviewing audience members & cd-buyers.... I w= ish I had the time. but maybe on an informal basis, us loopers could gather= some raw data..

I know of software that exploit= s energy spectrum fingerprinting. the philips electronics giant sent a rese= archer graduate to see me about this in connection with my work here at mtv= ; it was impressive but had no business application for mtv. now (in the UK= ) you can dial a service called shazam from a mobile 'phone & have it t= ell you what the track is you're listening to.... I would at least like to = develop this theory about audio fingerprinting in the human brain.

any or all of the above could b= e extrapolated to cover not just the sounds but also the structure of the m= usic; formulaic compositional methods (so-called classical music, ABACAB po= p-songs &c) through to apparently unstructured free jazz, improv, musiq= ue concrete.... again, with varying degrees of audience satisfaction & = produced by methods holding different degrees of fascination in their own r= ight for those audiences.

any thoughts, anyone?

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C58D47.DE8B1B20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 18:02:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B0803BF4F; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qgREUGp9ZB+1M64uHZURIYIsFcPPAVrGoZ/he8PgxQ4Bh9159zRoL+j/1e3HML4scbrh9iZIafa8Vbno7hS7ZrTsQ6hNVnnt/INebDYc2AGbWySx6T2NnJQ/DLQgdIh1QsKRQTs+MixCLPJ7sdgm1AGWo+5+OzXhzSg/+QIcGUE= ; Message-ID: <20050720180207.70504.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:02:07 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: RE: please allow me to introduce myself To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1187513615-1121882527=:70302" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:02:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-1187513615-1121882527=:70302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit thanks michael,12 string is nice,but wait till i get a harp guitar(evil laugh) Michael Peters wrote:hi daniel, welcome to the loopers' list. 12-string and dl-4 sounds good -michael www.michaelpeters.de --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1187513615-1121882527=:70302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
thanks michael,12 string is nice,but wait till i get a harp guitar(evil laugh)

Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
hi daniel, welcome to the loopers' list. 12-string and dl-4 sounds good
-michael www.michaelpeters.de





Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1187513615-1121882527=:70302-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 18:08:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBBA33BF54; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=b/iK29OEZM2O8u9QKLFum/hPJNbmfb4i6M2RXs5TMlxurJKBp4kkOm44lkdukaJWSRQlCwh/oNDYHiVU8OMmUe8MdFgZfZq9vD55SIa6/swShiW8Ukq2Jc1ew97BMe/1dTCcZR6jQwoFw+6T1hZy4cssGdO6QwGQqh+NBevZz4k= ; Message-ID: <20050720180812.4415.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: please allow me to introduce myself To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00e001c58d0d$e3e341e0$040a0a0a@fabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1512615171-1121882892=:2145" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:08:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-1512615171-1121882892=:2145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit thanks a million fabio.Italy?nice...they hold that guitar contest in alessandria dont they?bet thats an eye opener.thanks again. scary visionary. Fabio Anile wrote:Welcome on board, Daniel. Fabio (from Italy) http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl ----- Original Message ----- From: daniel stevenson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:04 AM Subject: please allow me to introduce myself hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like the sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed while listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing keller williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping was the path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i hope to learn a lot from all of you loopers here. scary visionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1512615171-1121882892=:2145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
thanks a million fabio.Italy?nice...they hold that guitar contest in alessandria dont they?bet thats an eye opener.thanks again.         scary visionary.

Fabio Anile <fabio.anile@tiscali.it> wrote:
Welcome on board, Daniel.
Fabio
(from Italy)
 
 
 
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hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store.i really really enjoy the loopers delight web site and have learned a lot from reading the mailing list.im improvisational in style i like the sounds of al demieola/adrian legg/micheal headges/stanley jordan/ottmar liebert/buckethead/steve roach/tangerine dream/howard shore/ravi shankar/junior brown/are the names i remember/ im always dazed while listening to "ecoes"on npr(favorite radio program)i guess seeing keller williams at hookaville was when it all became clear that looping was the path i must follow.lol"funny how your mind works on shrooms"i hope to learn a lot from all of you loopers here.      scary visionary.

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1512615171-1121882892=:2145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 18:16:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 961C63BF47; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gGiRFWyVLkzwhSeK+67KQlpM476U3IVGMy09mjY5ujIM+vLxJSIIrpDdJqzTjKaH36F+hu9vKg/f3/MahkzN/mho9Fxzh/5A2f8CXtDJJ/Zz7Yj1WQgp4kJbPzP8jOurFmeYPzpCEEwTvssWpKwQwyw1jREJdbg2NIw6AAr7N9g= ; Message-ID: <20050720181603.7106.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: please allow me to introduce myself To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005701c58d0e$9e13e650$83f15651@homemain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1343298534-1121883363=:4510" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6UpreC.A.sGG.GUp3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:16:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-1343298534-1121883363=:4510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hahaha, sorry no mathamatical visions,but money does grow on trees.hemp trees that is,green gold,texas tea h c (looping lester flat) Dan Mayfield wrote:Hi This community is a give and take sort of place, we share experiences/thoughts/ideas etc.. we can help with the looping could you help with the lottery numbers between now and dec.2005? :) What does the future hold? Dan www.danmayfield.com ----- Original Message "hello,i guess if im going to comunicate here i should divulge some info.im into creating real time soundscapes via the loop/12 string acoustic thru a line 6 dl4.only been looping since dec.2005,its been a new begining for me as an performer,i feel like a kid in a candy store." --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. --0-1343298534-1121883363=:4510 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

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Check email on your mobile phone. --0-1343298534-1121883363=:4510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 18:44:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97CBA3BF42; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009c01c58d5b$53b33140$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> From: "Larry" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A625@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: AW: zen and the fluent music Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:46:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Legions of philosophers, pseudo-scientists, religionists, mystics, drug users, etc have disappeared up their arses discussing these topics... The existence of reality is easily tested by stepping in the path of a speeding truck. The proof for non-existence naturally follows from this test also. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: RE: AW: zen and the fluent music It is the Hawthorn Effect, Ted....is that what you were getting at? Here is something laughable and apropos. Bertrand Russell once said in a paper that when a brain surgeon is operating on the brain of a patient, what he is observing is not in the patient's head, but inside his own head. He said he hadn't found a philosopher yet that understood what he meant by this. But the general thinking is that when you think you are perceiving reality or a physical object, in this case an exposed brain, you are not perceiving it at all, because light reflects off the physical object, travels through the air, hits your retina, triggers a nerve response, travels to the brain, and finally generates a perception of so-called "reality". We are really enclosed and shut off from the physical world in this model. But the real kicker is that while you are observing this phenomenon, and substantiating the claim that the surgeon is not perceiving the physical brain, YOU (or we) are in the same blasted predicament. And this goes on ad infinitum to generate a rather interesting paradox. We really don't know what this physical realty is, then, based on this conundrum. This line of thought has led some to reject the notion of a physical world (the Idealists) and posit that there is only mind, no material world; and others have rejected the endeavor of trying to find out whether there is a physical world, and if there is one, its nature (the phenomenalist). This latter group considers all sense-data neutral. It is what it is, period. Hence, to some extend, and back to Rick's comments, this philosophical model of perception forces us to be more skeptical in our thinking about the so-called world of "external reality" and what we can know about it. It's actually worse than the Heisenberg principle...it forbids any sort of objective perspective of the physical world, if that world even exists beyond our mental perceptions of it. And back to your comments, Ted, because we don't have this objective advantage, we instead create models or reality which we "project" upon the world, whatever that world may be. Kris ________________________________ From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: zen and the fluent music Just a thought, I dunno if this has anything to do with Heisenberg or not. But there is a generally held theory that (on some level) observation alters the observed and therefore affects the results. I do not know if this is some corollary to the principle that the more accurately you determine the position of a sub-atomic particle the less you can determine about it's specific direction and/or velocity or not -- but there seems to be a tangential connection of some sort there (in my mind at least). I'm cetainly no expert though. I'm also not sure if this is the connection that Rick's friend might be refering to but it seems plausable that it could be -- if only as a metaphoric parallel. We observe the universe and perceive (and then project on it) "paterns" and schemes of organization to help us understand it based on what we see. But what we see is always incomplete at some level -- and changing too. So the paterns we develop are always inevitably inacurate, incomplete and (from time to time) changing. Also, the more we know (if we are wise) the more we know we don't know. Some new-agey folks believe our "projections" actually alter the "reality" around us. I don't believe it a bit. But that's an "idea" that's making the rounds. "Think nice thoughts and it will become a world of love and peace . . . oh yeah . . . and send all you money to Guru Wannahockaloogey." I believe it's more like Ed Abby says in one of my favorite quotes by him: "Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion." Some truths are mutable, some (in my now cantakerous AARP-member years) seem much less so. What can I say? I'm a cranky OLD GUY and I like to hear myself talk. Best regards, tEd (r) kiLLiAn In a message dated 7/12/05 2:25:35 PM, rs@moinlabs.de writes: I don't see the Heisenberg influence here at all. It seems like taking Einstein's laws to explain why cars do not drive faster than 55 or 65 mph on American highways... "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 18:46:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 552633BF5A; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a101c58d5b$b7280200$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> From: "Larry" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A627@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:49:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <79qS.A.FTH.hwp3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:46:58 +0000 (UTC) > Re: "we don't know jack shit, so we make it up." Um, so how do you know this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music > About the notion of causality, I did not mean to say that Bateson believed that all things were causal. Not at all and thanks for all the accurate refutations of that idea. No, what I meant was that he said that because of the limitations of our neurophysiology that we are forced to make causal maps of reality....................or at least binary maps. I followed you on this Rick, and agreed, but on a different set of premises that did not include the Heisenberg Uncertainly principle. I guess the expanded thesis is that we are forced, not to make just causal maps of reality, but to make maps of reality, in general, whether they be causal, a-causal, idealistic, neutral, skeptical, etc. - because of the limitations of thought, perception, observation, etc. Since we can't tap into that unknown with anything but speculation, we are forced to create maps or models. I think we are in violent agreement here! Moral of the story is....we don't know jack shit, so we make it up. :) [snip] > Okee dokee, I'm well aware that I'm just too fucking chatty on here at times and write too much. If anyone is still with me here, I thank them profusely for letting me muse a little. Same here....me talk too much. By the way, Mathias, thanks for the suggestion about using Feedback more. I tried that it is produced some suprising results. It forced me to keep things fresh...normally it is easy to get lazy and start admiring your own loops, noodling around with things over them, etc....but in this case, all of a sudden your loops are disappearing before you ears and you have to keep creating more stuff! Keeps you on your toes! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 18:55:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 598A13BF51; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:54:52 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB43E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: zen and the fluent music thread-index: AcWNW2sU1TJruPOcTN+lnrv3N77a8wAACVxQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2005 18:54:53.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[83907FC0:01C58D5C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:55:13 +0000 (UTC) I don't, I only assert it out of skeptical desperation. ...heh heh, you're gonna try that skeptics paradox on me, eh?...the whole how do you know you know and how to you know you don't know bit. I've been down that route. Seriously, however, the answer to this, also codified in classic Greek and Roman skeptic text (which I happen to be re-reading now for the fun of it...the works of Sextus Empiricus), is that that the proclamation of lack of knowledge only applies to a sub-set of areas of human thought, claims about the existence of an un-perceived reality being one of them. No classic skeptic doubts the common place things in life. So to re-phrase my claim below, we don't know jack shit, namely knowledge of things about which we are not equipped, intellectually or biological, to make certain judgments. Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Larry [mailto:larrytremblay@carolina.rr.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music > Re: "we don't know jack shit, so we make it up." Um, so how do you know this?=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music > About the notion of causality, I did not mean to say that Bateson believed=20 that all things were causal. Not at all and thanks for all the accurate refutations of that idea. No, what I meant was that he said that because of the limitations of our neurophysiology that we are forced to make causal maps of reality....................or at least binary maps. I followed you on this Rick, and agreed, but on a different set of premises that did not include the Heisenberg Uncertainly principle. I guess the expanded thesis is that we are forced, not to make just causal maps of reality, but to make maps of reality, in general, whether they be causal, a-causal, idealistic, neutral, skeptical, etc. - because of the limitations of thought, perception, observation, etc. Since we can't tap into that unknown with anything but speculation, we are forced to create maps or models. I think we are in violent agreement here! Moral of the story is....we don't know jack shit, so we make it up. :) [snip] > Okee dokee, I'm well aware that I'm just too fucking chatty on here at times and write too much. If anyone is still with me here, I thank them profusely for letting me muse a little. Same here....me talk too much. By the way, Mathias, thanks for the suggestion about using Feedback more. I tried that it is produced some suprising results. It forced me to keep things fresh...normally it is easy to get lazy and start admiring your own loops, noodling around with things over them, etc....but in this case, all of a sudden your loops are disappearing before you ears and you have to keep creating more stuff! Keeps you on your toes! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 19:12:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FC483BF52; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d601c58d5f$44f53fa0$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> From: "Larry" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FADA9@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:14:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:12:24 +0000 (UTC) By definition, isn't Jazz Theory a somewhat limiting constraint too? (I'm assuming you play scales and repeat some notes occasionally) As an aside, good examples of non-repetive composition can be found in the works of German composers from the turn of the last century. They are "through-composed" songs -- arias for voice and piano. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music >"[Snip]... Only most musicians are hardly able to play like that and >claim that the public wants some ABACA... structure... probably a >reminder of old dance styles and polite forms... and simply a help for >the memory... easy composing... ?" > >Probably true, though it strikes me as odd based on how my brain works >with music. I actually find it easier to compose or perform >non-repetitive free improv, rather than music with some structure. >Building structure based on rules seems like a lot of work! >>maybe you got me wrong here: a repetitive base certainly makes improvisation easier because you know beforehand what will happen, to some degree. Yes, I understand, and for me it is still easier to improv without this repetitive base. Because of all the jazz theory crammed in my brain, the framework ends up being a restriction. Hence total free improv, no rules, no repetive base, nothing....that is easier for me. And I quality..."for me" here. I'm not making any claims about anyone else's comfort level. Give me a repeating ii-V-I progression, and I'll burn myself out improvising over it for an hour...give me 3 hours of a blank slate, and I can create indefinitly. >>in Brasil and probably other "hot" cultures, also rock bands, a huge part of the performances are just in between composition and improvisation: the musicians know the basic melody and rhythm of a song and improvise its structure. This could hardly work without the ABA... kind of tradition. >>to create a composition, repetition also helps. sure its more work than an improvisation, but try to remember a composition that never repeats! That would be difficult indeed! I've never played, as a cover, any of my past truly improvised songs. Just sitting down and transcribing the notes and movements would be so arduous that it would render it a pointless activity for me,. >The structure usually becomes a psychological inhibitor for me, >stifling creativity and freedom of expression. In fact, I feel more at >ease with myself as a musician and in tune with the flow of things when >I pick up my guitar, randomly pick a note on the fret board, and start >playing as if I were having a conversation or telling a story to >someone....nothing really repeats...mostly notes... maybe an occasional >dyad or triad to make a point, etc. It all depends on what you want to >say. I like that looping that sort of thing for about 2 minutes, then >having a conversation with myself in parallel....complementing the >first version of the story with a parallel version, which ends up >creating a whole new story. > >yes, thats of the kind I am talking about. It seems to me that for most musicians this is somehow "to easy" to do, so they dont see any value. but its what a huge part of the TV watchers are looking for: talk shows where they can see any kind of people improvise express spontaneously. So why would they not be able to follow your talking? Exactly! I think "too easy to do" in this context is a relative term. Because there is a difference between just sitting down and playing random notes (like the goo goo gaa gaa of an infant) and actually spontaneously creating a meaningful composition. Some people don't see the value because they and we are comparing apples and orange. Heck, if it was just sitting down and playing random notes with no taste or meaning, I could have done that when I was 12 years old, the year I started playing guitar....better yet, when I was 8 years old and just banging on the instrument for fun! :) You may be right...if the story is there, folks will follow it. But sometimes it's not the story that attacts the common listener, but the harmonic structure. I can tell a story that is completey atonal, and that is not appealing to everyone. I can also tell a story that is very "pretty" and melodic. That seems to attract a lot of people. I can see it in their faces and eyes when I play and watch them...it's like an experiment. >>it becomes a lot more interesting if two or more musicians talk together and sometimes coincide marvelously and sometimes have to deal with clashes. True enough. >>As Keith Jarret is a genious in interpretation, he also filled the operas with his free improvisations, but if somebody only plays such impros, he has a hard time to get jobs, right? And Keith went on a whole tour with nothing but free improv...no sheet music or preconceptions, nothing. He just sat down and played. I have an interview of him describing this. Apparently, the crowds were a little uneasy with this approach at first, but it was apparently successful. Another example is Chick Corea and Bobby McFerrin....they also toured and did a lot of free improv that turned out quite well. Now Cecil Taylor is a different story. Whereas Chick Corea and McFerrin may appeal to the stereo-typical jazz enthusiast, Taylor is in a different category. It is his choice. Nothing obligates us to make free improv music that appeals to the populus. If someone wants to appeal to an elite crowd, so be it. Music producers say there is no public for this. When we play for them, they are fascinated. But they want to have granted what they buy and sell: a song that people can remember and a demo that contains exactly what you are going to do. The "what if you have a bad day?" thing. (but what do they do if a talk show master has a bad day?) I think they just did not grab it yet... once musicians give more value to their instrumental conversation ability and the public realizes what music can be about, producers will hire us. (not that this would be the aim of this mail...) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 21:11:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F6FD3BF57; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=y0QYaOmE1V6XnwVtq63/0Qe+4fNv25gwmSrJruGRSaIOwyTjyagHmZyc8HpnT0DusPps0RZzuoUufQswbQu0GIAS2VHpeonpHe6ozpDdFOw3s0D6vKSXaj9bkhPMZ2XAKVvt4mfqvAxkLGHU6P/fMCkk7+usndpIvYaE/6eUxBE= ; Message-ID: <20050720211116.79578.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: AW: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009c01c58d5b$53b33140$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1679683256-1121893875=:77935" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7jTEvB.A.su.23r3CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:11:18 +0000 (UTC) --0-1679683256-1121893875=:77935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit valid points made by all...while steping in the path of a speeding vehicle to ascertain reality may constitute nomination for the darwin award,it kinda makes ya wonder.lol....pondering reality always reminds me of that old bill hicks rant about perception ... Larry wrote:Legions of philosophers, pseudo-scientists, religionists, mystics, drug users, etc have disappeared up their arses discussing these topics... The existence of reality is easily tested by stepping in the path of a speeding truck. The proof for non-existence naturally follows from this test also. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: RE: AW: zen and the fluent music It is the Hawthorn Effect, Ted....is that what you were getting at? Here is something laughable and apropos. Bertrand Russell once said in a paper that when a brain surgeon is operating on the brain of a patient, what he is observing is not in the patient's head, but inside his own head. He said he hadn't found a philosopher yet that understood what he meant by this. But the general thinking is that when you think you are perceiving reality or a physical object, in this case an exposed brain, you are not perceiving it at all, because light reflects off the physical object, travels through the air, hits your retina, triggers a nerve response, travels to the brain, and finally generates a perception of so-called "reality". We are really enclosed and shut off from the physical world in this model. But the real kicker is that while you are observing this phenomenon, and substantiating the claim that the surgeon is not perceiving the physical brain, YOU (or we) are in the same blasted predicament. And this goes on ad infinitum to generate a rather interesting paradox. We really don't know what this physical realty is, then, based on this conundrum. This line of thought has led some to reject the notion of a physical world (the Idealists) and posit that there is only mind, no material world; and others have rejected the endeavor of trying to find out whether there is a physical world, and if there is one, its nature (the phenomenalist). This latter group considers all sense-data neutral. It is what it is, period. Hence, to some extend, and back to Rick's comments, this philosophical model of perception forces us to be more skeptical in our thinking about the so-called world of "external reality" and what we can know about it. It's actually worse than the Heisenberg principle...it forbids any sort of objective perspective of the physical world, if that world even exists beyond our mental perceptions of it. And back to your comments, Ted, because we don't have this objective advantage, we instead create models or reality which we "project" upon the world, whatever that world may be. Kris ________________________________ From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: zen and the fluent music Just a thought, I dunno if this has anything to do with Heisenberg or not. But there is a generally held theory that (on some level) observation alters the observed and therefore affects the results. I do not know if this is some corollary to the principle that the more accurately you determine the position of a sub-atomic particle the less you can determine about it's specific direction and/or velocity or not -- but there seems to be a tangential connection of some sort there (in my mind at least). I'm cetainly no expert though. I'm also not sure if this is the connection that Rick's friend might be refering to but it seems plausable that it could be -- if only as a metaphoric parallel. We observe the universe and perceive (and then project on it) "paterns" and schemes of organization to help us understand it based on what we see. But what we see is always incomplete at some level -- and changing too. So the paterns we develop are always inevitably inacurate, incomplete and (from time to time) changing. Also, the more we know (if we are wise) the more we know we don't know. Some new-agey folks believe our "projections" actually alter the "reality" around us. I don't believe it a bit. But that's an "idea" that's making the rounds. "Think nice thoughts and it will become a world of love and peace . . . oh yeah . . . and send all you money to Guru Wannahockaloogey." I believe it's more like Ed Abby says in one of my favorite quotes by him: "Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion." Some truths are mutable, some (in my now cantakerous AARP-member years) seem much less so. What can I say? I'm a cranky OLD GUY and I like to hear myself talk. Best regards, tEd (r) kiLLiAn In a message dated 7/12/05 2:25:35 PM, rs@moinlabs.de writes: I don't see the Heisenberg influence here at all. It seems like taking Einstein's laws to explain why cars do not drive faster than 55 or 65 mph on American highways... "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1679683256-1121893875=:77935 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
valid points made by all...while steping in the path of a speeding vehicle to ascertain reality may constitute nomination for the darwin award,it kinda makes ya wonder.lol....pondering reality always reminds me of that old bill hicks rant about perception ...

Larry <larrytremblay@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Legions of philosophers, pseudo-scientists, religionists, mystics, drug
users, etc
have disappeared up their arses discussing these topics...

The existence of reality is easily tested by stepping in the path of a
speeding
truck. The proof for non-existence naturally follows from this test also.
;-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hartung, Kris"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: AW: zen and the fluent music


It is the Hawthorn Effect, Ted....is that what you were getting at?

Here is something laughable and apropos. Bertrand Russell once said in a
paper that when a brain surgeon is operating on the brain of a patient,
what he is observing is not in the patient's head, but inside his own
head. He said he hadn't found a philosopher yet that understood what he
meant by this. But the general thinking is that when you think you are
perceiving reality or a physical object, in this case an exposed brain,
you are not perceiving it at all, because light reflects off the
physical object, travels through the air, hits your retina, triggers a
nerve response, travels to the brain, and finally generates a perception
of so-called "reality". We are really enclosed and shut off from the
physical world in this model. But the real kicker is that while you are
observing this phenomenon, and substantiating the claim that the surgeon
is not perceiving the physical brain, YOU (or we) are in the same
blasted predicament. And this goes on ad infinitum to generate a rather
interesting paradox. We really don't know what this physical realty
is, then, based on this conundrum. This line of thought has led some to
reject the notion of a physical world (the Idealists) and posit that
there is only mind, no material world; and others have rejected the
endeavor of trying to find out whether there is a physical world, and if
there is one, its nature (the phenomenalist). This latter group
considers all sense-data neutral. It is what it is, period.

Hence, to some extend, and back to Rick's comments, this philosophical
model of perception forces us to be more skeptical in our thinking about
the so-called world of "external reality" and what we can know about it.
It's actually worse than the Heisenberg principle...it forbids any sort
of objective perspective of the physical world, if that world even
exists beyond our mental perceptions of it. And back to your comments,
Ted, because we don't have this objective advantage, we instead create
models or reality which we "project" upon the world, whatever that world
may be.

Kris


________________________________

From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:37 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: AW: zen and the fluent music


Just a thought,

I dunno if this has anything to do with Heisenberg or not. But there
is a generally held theory that (on some level) observation alters the
observed and therefore affects the results. I do not know if this is
some corollary to the principle that the more accurately you determine
the position of a sub-atomic particle the less you can determine about
it's specific direction and/or velocity or not -- but there seems to be
a
tangential connection of some sort there (in my mind at least). I'm
cetainly no expert though.

I'm also not sure if this is the connection that Rick's friend might be
refering
to but it seems plausable that it could be -- if only as a metaphoric
parallel.
We observe the universe and perceive (and then project on it) "paterns"
and
schemes of organization to help us understand it based on what we see.
But what we see is always incomplete at some level -- and changing too.
So the paterns we develop are always inevitably inacurate, incomplete
and (from time to time) changing. Also, the more we know (if we are
wise)
the more we know we don't know.

Some new-agey folks believe our "projections" actually alter the
"reality"
around us. I don't believe it a bit. But that's an "idea" that's making
the
rounds. "Think nice thoughts and it will become a world of love and
peace . . .
oh yeah . . . and send all you money to Guru Wannahockaloogey." I
believe it's
more like Ed Abby says in one of my favorite quotes by him: "Better a
cruel
truth than a comfortable delusion."

Some truths are mutable, some (in my now cantakerous AARP-member years)
seem much less so. What can I say? I'm a cranky OLD GUY and I like to
hear
myself talk.

Best regards,

tEd (r) kiLLiAn

In a message dated 7/12/05 2:25:35 PM, rs@moinlabs.de writes:



I don't see the Heisenberg influence here at all. It seems like
taking
Einstein's laws to explain why cars do not drive faster than 55
or
65 mph on American highways...



"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1679683256-1121893875=:77935-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 23:11:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CEFA3BF5C; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:10:56 +0200 Message-ID: <004201c58d80$4bd5cbc0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD,NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi there Last Wednesday, July 13th, there was a promo event for the upcoming Loopfestival Z=FCrich. There was a great audience of around 50 = attendants including Matthias Grob and Bruno Spoerri. Many thanks to the hosts digitaler salon and walcheturm! Go to http://loopfestival.com/ds05, scroll down and click on "Photos" = and "Slides" for more information (and the sight of an y2k4 shirt recently discussed in this forum ;) ). Thanx Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 20 23:54:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FFD73BF53; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <004201c58d80$4bd5cbc0$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <004201c58d80$4bd5cbc0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <70FC19D9-4218-4B24-9AF1-C170BBDFF363@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:53:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:54:01 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 21, 2005, at 1:10, =20 wrote: > Hi there > > Last Wednesday, July 13th, there was a promo event for the upcoming > Loopfestival Z=FCrich. There was a great audience of around 50 =20 > attendants > including Matthias Grob and Bruno Spoerri. Many thanks to the hosts > digitaler salon and walcheturm! > Go to http://loopfestival.com/ds05, scroll down and click on =20 > "Photos" and > "Slides" for more information (and the sight of an y2k4 shirt recently > discussed in this forum ;) ). Sehr Cool-ish! Switzerland is being loopified!!! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 21 01:22:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 486F23BF5B; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42DEF8EA.90206@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:22:50 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #434 for July 14, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:22:46 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050714.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #434 July 14, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the music-bar mailing list. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Malta Sessions" which is a unique CDR provided exclusively to Galactic Travels. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Pure Gamma" by Pure Gamma on Defective Records, released in 1994. music-bar - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jul PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Pure Gamma Disciple of Awareness Pure Gamma (Defective) Michael Whalen Close Your Eyes, the Nightscenes (Alchemy) Night Approaches Xeroid Entity Spirokete Live at the Deer Head Inn (electro-music media) RMI An Interstellar Vacuum Emissaries (Cuneiform) Is Far From Empty RMI Mobile Star Systems Emissaries (Cuneiform) Robert Scott Thompson When Dreams Collide At the Still Point of the Turning World (Hypnos) 12:00 am music-barians The First The Malta Sessions music-barians Model Trains The Malta Sessions music-barians Real Winds The Malta Sessions music-barians Funky Garage The Malta Sessions music-barians Oriental Road The Malta Sessions music-barians Fiep The Malta Sessions OTI The First Page Recollection (Audiobulb) OTI Mass Inhabitance Recollection (Audiobulb) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on the music-bar mailing list. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "M@stock 03 - Selection" from the New Jersey meet in 2003. This is a unique CDR provided exclusively to Galactic Travels. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Delired Cameleon Family" by many musicians on EMI Records, released in 1975. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 21 10:29:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30C7D3BF19; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42DF790A.4000201@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:29:30 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:29:23 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on the music-bar mailing list as one example of how the internet affects electronic music. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "M@stock 03 - Selection" by members of the music-bar internet mailing list. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Delired Cameleon Family" by many musicians on EMI Records and released in 1975. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jul Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be this Saturday, June 23 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 21 10:54:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68F5E3BF1E; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011701c58de2$85b564b0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <004201c58d80$4bd5cbc0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Subject: Re: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:54:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:54:14 +0000 (UTC) ..funny that Bernhard's "looping guitar".... Fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:10 AM Subject: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented Hi there Last Wednesday, July 13th, there was a promo event for the upcoming Loopfestival Zürich. There was a great audience of around 50 attendants including Matthias Grob and Bruno Spoerri. Many thanks to the hosts digitaler salon and walcheturm! Go to http://loopfestival.com/ds05, scroll down and click on "Photos" and "Slides" for more information (and the sight of an y2k4 shirt recently discussed in this forum ;) ). Thanx Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 21 16:18:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92FC53BF3A; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HnCG/PHVY7JTzBnYbeC04CwyM7TbPjlErai27SreyUncT6PqFN+QTzi4ipZkA1EchZXT0soxTtHe2Yhs0AUYQs8tX0JvLGJir0SUWQVb7M02MMH50nOSDpnvksqzHnXoQwYoh60PyQ5ywFWgQ53m7f5U09nAEyi+3GxHGf7dqGk= ; Message-ID: <20050721161828.70722.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:18:28 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004201c58d80$4bd5cbc0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1192831323-1121962708=:70625" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4zeeWD.A.UlB.Wr83CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:18:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-1192831323-1121962708=:70625 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit wow,sure is a lot of gadjets in those photos...sheeeesh...lol loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote:Hi there Last Wednesday, July 13th, there was a promo event for the upcoming Loopfestival Zürich. There was a great audience of around 50 attendants including Matthias Grob and Bruno Spoerri. Many thanks to the hosts digitaler salon and walcheturm! Go to http://loopfestival.com/ds05, scroll down and click on "Photos" and "Slides" for more information (and the sight of an y2k4 shirt recently discussed in this forum ;) ). Thanx Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1192831323-1121962708=:70625 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
wow,sure is a lot of gadjets in those photos...sheeeesh...lol

loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote:
Hi there

Last Wednesday, July 13th, there was a promo event for the upcoming
Loopfestival Zürich. There was a great audience of around 50 attendants
including Matthias Grob and Bruno Spoerri. Many thanks to the hosts
digitaler salon and walcheturm!
Go to http://loopfestival.com/ds05, scroll down and click on "Photos" and
"Slides" for more information (and the sight of an y2k4 shirt recently
discussed in this forum ;) ).

Thanx
Bernhard
http://nosuch.biz
http://loopfestival.com


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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1192831323-1121962708=:70625-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 21 20:13:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93F683BF4F; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Old-Message-ID: <42E0021C.90106@boomerangmusic.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:14:20 -0500 From: Mike Nelson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boomerang Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20050721131354-6200144634@[71.96.234.197]> Old-X-Envelope-From: X-Auth-Username: X-Abuse: FOR ABUSE COMPLAINTS PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE ALONG WITH ALL HEADERS TO ABUSE@IHOST.BIZ. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Hello Loopers of the world, I hope all of you are well. I'm writing to tell of a one time Boomerang offer. The details follow. Please holler if there are any questions. --*-- SPECIAL OFFER --*-- We have about 200 V2 Modules with a software bug and will be building a special batch of Rangs with them. The resulting flawed Rangs will be sold for $279, and we pay for shipping in the continental United States! They will be sold directly to players and not through stores. You may also buy a Rang gig bag for only $19 when purchasing one of there units. Other than this one bug, these are fully functional, warrantied, brand new Boomerang(R) Plus Phrase Samplers, but they will be prominently marked as flawed. Here's the bug. If you start recording and allow the Rang to record until the memory is full, all the green LED's come on brightly. So far this is normal behavior. If you immediately press PLAY, the Rang will play normally with no problem. However if you allow the Rang to sit for a while with the green LED's lit up and then press PLAY, loud disorted sounds may play back. The amount of time for the Rang to sit with the green LED's lit and the recording to degrade to noise is different for each unit. If you find your Rang in this state, simply press RECORD then PLAY(STOP) to erase the noisy recording. If the Rang doesn't completely fill memory AND then sit for a while, there are no problems. A normally recorded loop will not degrade. Please let me know if you are interested in purchasing one of these units. --*-- SADLY NECESSARY LEGAL SCHTICK --*-- By purchasing one of these flawed units you agree to assume all liability for any problems or damage caused by use of your Rang, whether by you or someone else. In no circumstances is Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. liable for any damage to you or others, or your or other's equipment, by use of a Rang with this known software flaw. -- "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler makes you play better." -- Mike Nelson Shipping address for repairs & upgrades: 3704 Oakwood Grapevine, TX 76051 Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 800-530-4699 * 817-251-8737, Outside USA * 817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 21 23:44:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03EC43BF49; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=t43kNB0lGCJ2p8XuoWWUq44793IKYxln//UXsoVCNx03uaKYPGHacavEGavpK995D99rtlxPK4wmPtcvGmkJ7wjXvvA1WCwkLCo0g2kkpmXEooteSr5i2gE/d22ktiT+KCKm+TfnuZ0og7+c6/SwwxKtPZz1lJ1zFe4AKwoh4Us= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205072116444952192e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:44:01 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang In-Reply-To: <20050721131354-6200144634@71.96.234.197> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050721131354-6200144634@71.96.234.197> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Here's an honest businessman. I've purchased full price pieces of gear with known bugs worse than this! On 7/21/05, Mike Nelson wrote: > Here's the bug. If you start recording and allow the Rang to record u= ntil > the memory is full, all the green LED's come on brightly. So far this is > normal behavior. If you immediately press PLAY, the Rang will play normal= ly > with no problem. However if you allow the Rang to sit for a while with th= e > green LED's lit up and then press PLAY, loud disorted sounds may play bac= k. > The amount of time for the Rang to sit with the green LED's lit and the > recording to degrade to noise is different for each unit. > If you find your Rang in this state, simply press RECORD then PLAY(ST= OP) > to erase the noisy recording. > If the Rang doesn't completely fill memory AND then sit for a while, > there are no problems. A normally recorded loop will not degrade. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 21 23:59:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C76883BF4C; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:59:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Boomerang Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: tom@swirly.com From: David Trenkel In-Reply-To: <26ba8d1205072116444952192e@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <84546D8F-FA43-11D9-B680-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:59:50 +0000 (UTC) On Thursday, July 21, 2005, at 04:44 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > Here's an honest businessman. I've purchased full price pieces of > gear with known bugs worse than this! Very true. And as a 'Rang owner/operator, I can't think of a single time that I have actually filled its memory completely. Isn't it something like 4 minutes? Anyway, it sounds like this is a killer deal on one of my favorite pedals... > > On 7/21/05, Mike Nelson wrote: >> Here's the bug. If you start recording and allow the Rang to >> record until >> the memory is full, all the green LED's come on brightly. So far this >> is >> normal behavior. If you immediately press PLAY, the Rang will play >> normally >> with no problem. However if you allow the Rang to sit for a while >> with the >> green LED's lit up and then press PLAY, loud disorted sounds may play >> back. >> The amount of time for the Rang to sit with the green LED's lit and >> the >> recording to degrade to noise is different for each unit. >> If you find your Rang in this state, simply press RECORD then >> PLAY(STOP) >> to erase the noisy recording. >> If the Rang doesn't completely fill memory AND then sit for a >> while, >> there are no problems. A normally recorded loop will not degrade. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 01:23:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C779E3BF4F; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:23:11 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bb.5bd8f922.3011a47f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:23:16 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bb.5bd8f922.3011a47f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit likewise.....i never max out my rang's memory.....this may be a bug but it hardly applys to my use of the mighty rang.....this is a great deal for the easiest to use looper on the planet.....i shudder to think what could be done with 2 rangs.....mic --part1_bb.5bd8f922.3011a47f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable likewise.....i never max out my rang's=20= memory.....this may be a bug but it hardly applys to my use of the mighty ra= ng.....this is a great deal for the easiest to use looper on the planet.....= i shudder to think what could be done with 2 rangs.....mic --part1_bb.5bd8f922.3011a47f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 02:07:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 188363BF57; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 02:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IrAWj6W5dibOn1uY/cC1GCoqHVCfG8P+4jLXRCm73355qb9vHSjVB3rQdNP54iEHSCjAdaYqgU5Rs8Dgxg4llDJwzlRzAJ0/72Ya/CXZr57N3qP4QC22XFg5LWIqXciNWkMmJfqcfwQGAzroJjbZzgEhPgxVGeKQdeNtFdzCkgs= ; Message-ID: <20050722020749.46881.qmail@web30415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:07:49 -0700 (PDT) From: t harris Subject: Jamman for sale, 2 pedals, 32 sec, $525, FREE SHIP!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1827049562-1121998069=:45454" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 02:07:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-1827049562-1121998069=:45454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Still in original box with manual, 2 pedals, and 32 sec upgrade. Will ship for free as long as shipping doesn't cost over $25. Shipping from Indiana. Write with any questions. Tim H. musyc1974@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Still in original box with manual, 2 pedals, and 32 sec upgrade. Will ship for free as long as shipping doesn't cost over $25. Shipping from Indiana. Write with any questions.
 
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1827049562-1121998069=:45454-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 14:36:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2483B3BF89; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <5C24EDB5-C781-4438-8AC0-EFA41C97C548@collective.co.uk> References: <5C24EDB5-C781-4438-8AC0-EFA41C97C548@collective.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <577948A4-D90B-47D8-AA3E-5F25F47A4253@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Augustus Loop, now with better MIDI sync Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:36:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <2gt6pC.A.caC.zRQ4CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:36:35 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 14, 2005, at 9:41, Os wrote: > Hi, > > Some of you may be interested to know that I've just updated my > looping plug-in Augustus Loop to v1.4.3 with much improved MIDI > sync compatibility. > > I'm also maintaining a compatibility chart now at > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustussync.html > which is something of a hall of shame for the larger DAW hosts. > > However Ableton Live (which seems to be a popular app on this list) > now works fully with Augustus as regards MIDI sync. Hi Os, I'm a happy user now, but I wonder what else you have changed? It seems like it doesn't go out of sync that much any longer after changing beat divisor or wacking audio by the reverse function. Or maybe this stable feel is because I'm using Augustus Loop now as the master looper? (sending MIDI clock to Ableton Live and my FireworX "pre amp / fx processor" unit) August now delivers that cool "first loop tempo setting" option. For my looping taste Augustus Loop as the master is the perfect balance between control and wackyness - I mean Augustus doesn't always come back right on the downbeat. Sometimes when I have transposed the loop a dozen times, or reversed it etc, it is a quarter note off or so and then you'll have to kick in the revers for a second - or change the beat divisor and back again. These tricks use to get the loop back into the beat, which is amazing because Augustus Loop is supposed to be a free flowing tape delay simulator? You must have done something new to this version in that meter syncing department! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 14:48:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C72073BF93; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ClJ4ZEI6nuvx7cOapsXkl2glN/TbkwebBYutoydZBhlgKumYQWN4/L6pPwDb8+9QOxoIySKdyX9Ub3CUr/yDYouf5rMGhiaRKXSaZ9YVI78GjqABMcDndvJi9rYmV/zjpzA2AiqFvG+byj66fOwaW8qgtd+Xp77+WWwVju8H6AA= ; Message-ID: <20050722144839.35885.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: It's not Purple, it's Blue! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-248494659-1122043719=:34637" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:48:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-248494659-1122043719=:34637 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I happily received my Digitech Jamman yesterday from AMS. It comes nicely presented in a hefty box with included power supply & 128 MB CompactFlash card. The unit is hefty, too. Similar, in a sense, to the boss Loop Station. I did a quick & dirty hookup to my Fender Cyber-Deluxe amp through the effects loop. This is definitely not the ideal configuration but I just wanted to give it a run-through. Ultimately, I'd hook the output of the Jamman to one of my mixer inputs and listen via monitors. I have to say the operation of the pedal is easily understood, albeit the pedal has less functionality than an EDP. For some reason, the Jamman was pre-loaded with some rock-oriented drums & bass patterns in several loops. I proceeded to delete those asap. I haven't experimented yet with the Autorecord function but used the pedal's normal Record function. Unfortunately, I was wearing flip-flops at the time so I kept screwing up my initial loop timing. Lesson learned. But, the operation of using the onboard pedals seemed to me to be very suitable. I didn't spend a whole lot of time tweaking tone or levels but the overall sound characteristic seemed just a little muddy to me. Again, I probably need to get my configuration up to speed before I pass judgement. I guess I'm going to pop for the three-button switch to control loop-up & loop down as I don't want to be twisting knobs on the floor. I have an older Digitech three-button switch. Wonder if it will work? For the money ($299), this strikes me as an awesome pedal. Up to 99 loops is very nice. The larger CompactFlash cards offer tons of recording time. The included USB port is a really nice freeby. Unfortunate, the pedal doesn't have MIDI sync nor any feedback control nor a fade out feature. But, for 3 bills...I like the reference to the original Jamman pedal but it occurred to me that the new Jamman doesn't function as a Delay device. The proof is in the pudding, though. The pedal inspired me toplay for over an hour and I did some pretty nice things and had some fun even with a half-assed quick setup. I think I'm goint to have with this pedal. Regards, Paul --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-248494659-1122043719=:34637 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I happily received my Digitech Jamman yesterday from AMS. It comes nicely presented in a hefty box with included power supply & 128 MB CompactFlash card. The unit is hefty, too. Similar, in a sense, to the boss Loop Station. I did a quick & dirty hookup to my Fender Cyber-Deluxe amp through the effects loop. This is definitely not the ideal configuration but I just wanted to give it a run-through. Ultimately, I'd hook the output of the Jamman to one of my mixer inputs and listen via monitors.
 
I have to say the operation of the pedal is easily understood, albeit the pedal has less functionality than an EDP. For some reason, the Jamman was pre-loaded with some rock-oriented drums & bass patterns in several loops. I proceeded to delete those asap. I haven't experimented yet with the Autorecord function but used the pedal's normal Record function. Unfortunately, I was wearing flip-flops at the time so I kept screwing up my initial loop timing. Lesson learned. But, the operation of using the onboard pedals seemed to me to be very suitable.
 
I didn't spend a whole lot of time tweaking tone or levels but the overall sound characteristic seemed just a little muddy to me. Again, I probably need to get my configuration up to speed before I pass judgement.
 
I guess I'm going to pop for the three-button switch to control loop-up & loop down as I don't want to be twisting knobs on the floor. I have an older Digitech three-button switch. Wonder if it will work?
 
For the money ($299), this strikes me as an awesome pedal. Up to 99 loops is very nice. The larger CompactFlash cards offer tons of recording time. The included USB port is a really nice freeby. Unfortunate, the pedal doesn't have MIDI sync nor any feedback control nor a fade out feature. But, for 3 bills...I like the reference to the original Jamman pedal but it occurred to me that the new Jamman doesn't function as a Delay device.
 
The proof is in the pudding, though. The pedal inspired me toplay for over an hour and I did some pretty nice things and had some fun even with a half-assed quick setup. I think I'm goint to have with this pedal.
 
Regards, Paul

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-248494659-1122043719=:34637-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 15:06:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 366483BF93; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jnyUcAOBLEU5Sl0bqArmoX7QNxskMcioNI3EGlqL/3fbaBgOi5jeZoRRrtDrGVzJrH8PeRlM0hta+dvPQeyFzBf6FL6ycXCHev3vfkjP+UBbYhfnYa2s2B4ozUCd3mqYuWXaIHcWX7llzUvY/uPdFdWddeHUBdivOUMtbzAcixg= ; Message-ID: <20050722150644.69522.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050721131354-6200144634@[71.96.234.197]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-670503406-1122044804=:67607" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:06:45 +0000 (UTC) --0-670503406-1122044804=:67607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit is there anywhere in central ohio i can test drive a boomerang,i need to hear and feel one before i buy.(boomerangs,chapman sticks, harp guitars... nobody stocks the cool stuff around here)thank you for the offer, scary visionary. Mike Nelson wrote:Hello Loopers of the world, I hope all of you are well. I'm writing to tell of a one time Boomerang offer. The details follow. Please holler if there are any questions. --*-- SPECIAL OFFER --*-- We have about 200 V2 Modules with a software bug and will be building a special batch of Rangs with them. The resulting flawed Rangs will be sold for $279, and we pay for shipping in the continental United States! They will be sold directly to players and not through stores. You may also buy a Rang gig bag for only $19 when purchasing one of there units. Other than this one bug, these are fully functional, warrantied, brand new Boomerang(R) Plus Phrase Samplers, but they will be prominently marked as flawed. Here's the bug. If you start recording and allow the Rang to record until the memory is full, all the green LED's come on brightly. So far this is normal behavior. If you immediately press PLAY, the Rang will play normally with no problem. However if you allow the Rang to sit for a while with the green LED's lit up and then press PLAY, loud disorted sounds may play back. The amount of time for the Rang to sit with the green LED's lit and the recording to degrade to noise is different for each unit. If you find your Rang in this state, simply press RECORD then PLAY(STOP) to erase the noisy recording. If the Rang doesn't completely fill memory AND then sit for a while, there are no problems. A normally recorded loop will not degrade. Please let me know if you are interested in purchasing one of these units. --*-- SADLY NECESSARY LEGAL SCHTICK --*-- By purchasing one of these flawed units you agree to assume all liability for any problems or damage caused by use of your Rang, whether by you or someone else. In no circumstances is Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. liable for any damage to you or others, or your or other's equipment, by use of a Rang with this known software flaw. -- "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler makes you play better." -- Mike Nelson Shipping address for repairs & upgrades: 3704 Oakwood Grapevine, TX 76051 Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 800-530-4699 * 817-251-8737, Outside USA * 817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-670503406-1122044804=:67607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
is there anywhere in central ohio i can test drive a boomerang,i need to hear and feel one before i buy.(boomerangs,chapman sticks, harp guitars... nobody stocks the cool stuff around here)thank you for the offer,     scary visionary.

Mike Nelson <mnelson@boomerangmusic.com> wrote:
Hello Loopers of the world,
I hope all of you are well. I'm writing to tell of a one time Boomerang offer.
The details follow. Please holler if there are any questions.

--*-- SPECIAL OFFER --*--

We have about 200 V2 Modules with a software bug and will be building
a special batch of Rangs with them. The resulting flawed Rangs will be sold
for $279, and we pay for shipping in the continental United States! They
will be sold directly to players and not through stores. You may also buy a
Rang gig bag for only $19 when purchasing one of there units.
Other than this one bug, these are fully functional, warrantied, brand
new Boomerang(R) Plus Phrase Samplers, but they will be prominently marked
as flawed.
Here's the bug. If you start recording and allow the Rang to record until
the memory is full, all the green LED's come on brightly. So far this is
normal behavior. If you immediately press PLAY, the Rang will play normally
with no problem. However if you allow the Rang to sit for a while with the
green LED's lit up and then press PLAY, loud disorted sounds may play back.
The amount of time for the Rang to sit with the green LED's lit and the
recording to degrade to noise is different for each unit.
If you find your Rang in this state, simply press RECORD then PLAY(STOP)
to erase the noisy recording.
If the Rang doesn't completely fill memory AND then sit for a while,
there are no problems. A normally recorded loop will not degrade.
Please let me know if you are interested in purchasing one of these
units.

--*-- SADLY NECESSARY LEGAL SCHTICK --*--

By purchasing one of these flawed units you agree to assume all liability
for any problems or damage caused by use of your Rang, whether by you or
someone else. In no circumstances is Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. liable
for any damage to you or others, or your or other's equipment, by use of a
Rang with this known software flaw.

--

"Some products make you sound better;
the Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler makes you play better."

--

Mike Nelson

Shipping address for repairs & upgrades:
3704 Oakwood
Grapevine, TX 76051

Boomerang Musical Products
PO Box 541595
Dallas, TX 75354-1595

800-530-4699 * 817-251-8737, Outside USA * 817-251-8509, Fax

http://www.boomerangmusic.com

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-670503406-1122044804=:67607-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 15:30:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7CA03BF9F; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VDBudn6NkJGEfHRsb5AyQrtnGjhA/4tZNWxu8Bxss1Dzp0v8qfqMGI+MsT9vnybdTjLP6HJSJ5266NFqAqJhJjcQrVaT7qCS5yDYtU59g2kxNmPUMoVv8NCmDxEKKsWyqa3+dWbD9XCZJehbCcgFxCg8EHvMCo4RHTOhwESW3zY= ; Message-ID: <20050722153017.49376.qmail@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:30:17 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: It's not Purple, it's Blue! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050722144839.35885.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-577187079-1122046217=:46691" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6otQoB.A.ROE.TER4CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:30:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-577187079-1122046217=:46691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit congratulations on the new tool,that must be the digitech bill at geman village music huas was talkin about.how long does that thing loop?will you run it to "one" of your mixer inputs or thru the effects loop so you can loop all the channels?i wish i had a mixer.lol....boat drinks, scary visionary wrote:I happily received my Digitech Jamman yesterday from AMS. It comes nicely presented in a hefty box with included power supply & 128 MB CompactFlash card. The unit is hefty, too. Similar, in a sense, to the boss Loop Station. I did a quick & dirty hookup to my Fender Cyber-Deluxe amp through the effects loop. This is definitely not the ideal configuration but I just wanted to give it a run-through. Ultimately, I'd hook the output of the Jamman to one of my mixer inputs and listen via monitors. I have to say the operation of the pedal is easily understood, albeit the pedal has less functionality than an EDP. For some reason, the Jamman was pre-loaded with some rock-oriented drums & bass patterns in several loops. I proceeded to delete those asap. I haven't experimented yet with the Autorecord function but used the pedal's normal Record function. Unfortunately, I was wearing flip-flops at the time so I kept screwing up my initial loop timing. Lesson learned. But, the operation of using the onboard pedals seemed to me to be very suitable. I didn't spend a whole lot of time tweaking tone or levels but the overall sound characteristic seemed just a little muddy to me. Again, I probably need to get my configuration up to speed before I pass judgement. I guess I'm going to pop for the three-button switch to control loop-up & loop down as I don't want to be twisting knobs on the floor. I have an older Digitech three-button switch. Wonder if it will work? For the money ($299), this strikes me as an awesome pedal. Up to 99 loops is very nice. The larger CompactFlash cards offer tons of recording time. The included USB port is a really nice freeby. Unfortunate, the pedal doesn't have MIDI sync nor any feedback control nor a fade out feature. But, for 3 bills...I like the reference to the original Jamman pedal but it occurred to me that the new Jamman doesn't function as a Delay device. The proof is in the pudding, though. The pedal inspired me toplay for over an hour and I did some pretty nice things and had some fun even with a half-assed quick setup. I think I'm goint to have with this pedal. Regards, Paul --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-577187079-1122046217=:46691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
congratulations on the new tool,that must be the digitech bill at geman village music huas was talkin about.how long does that thing loop?will you run it to "one" of your mixer inputs or thru the effects loop so you can loop all the channels?i wish i had a mixer.lol....boat drinks,     scary visionary

<wklemmer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
I happily received my Digitech Jamman yesterday from AMS. It comes nicely presented in a hefty box with included power supply & 128 MB CompactFlash card. The unit is hefty, too. Similar, in a sense, to the boss Loop Station. I did a quick & dirty hookup to my Fender Cyber-Deluxe amp through the effects loop. This is definitely not the ideal configuration but I just wanted to give it a run-through. Ultimately, I'd hook the output of the Jamman to one of my mixer inputs and listen via monitors.
 
I have to say the operation of the pedal is easily understood, albeit the pedal has less functionality than an EDP. For some reason, the Jamman was pre-loaded with some rock-oriented drums & bass patterns in several loops. I proceeded to delete those asap. I haven't experimented yet with the Autorecord function but used the pedal's normal Record function. Unfortunately, I was wearing flip-flops at the time so I kept screwing up my initial loop timing. Lesson learned. But, the operation of using the onboard pedals seemed to me to be very suitable.
 
I didn't spend a whole lot of time tweaking tone or levels but the overall sound characteristic seemed just a little muddy to me. Again, I probably need to get my configuration up to speed before I pass judgement.
 
I guess I'm going to pop for the three-button switch to control loop-up & loop down as I don't want to be twisting knobs on the floor. I have an older Digitech three-button switch. Wonder if it will work?
 
For the money ($299), this strikes me as an awesome pedal. Up to 99 loops is very nice. The larger CompactFlash cards offer tons of recording time. The included USB port is a really nice freeby. Unfortunate, the pedal doesn't have MIDI sync nor any feedback control nor a fade out feature. But, for 3 bills...I like the reference to the original Jamman pedal but it occurred to me that the new Jamman doesn't function as a Delay device.
 
The proof is in the pudding, though. The pedal inspired me toplay for over an hour and I did some pretty nice things and had some fun even with a half-assed quick setup. I think I'm goint to have with this pedal.
 
Regards, Paul

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-577187079-1122046217=:46691-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 15:57:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39E4E3BF98; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <13e.17ab8d63.3012716e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:57:34 EDT Subject: Re: LOTHUS -experimental electronic music- To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13e.17ab8d63.3012716e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:57:48 +0000 (UTC) --part1_13e.17ab8d63.3012716e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there! Welcome to the group. Very nice tracks you have there. I expecially like track number 4 and the background loop that plays on your webpage.=20 I can't play the .wmv video clips because I'm on a Mac and have seldom bothered with anything that doesn't run on Quicktime. However, if they're anything like your music I imagine they're pretty interesting. Nice web design too. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------- In a message dated 7/19/05 7:08:33 PM, lothustronic@yahoo.com writes: > Hi ,Loopers!!!! >=20 > Lothus -experimental electronic music project from Argentina- > Visit our web page http://www.lothusmusik.com > (Info,mp3.pics & short-videos) >=20 > Thanks!!! >=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- --------- "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_13e.17ab8d63.3012716e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there!

Welcome to the group. Very nice tracks you have there. I expecially like
track number 4 and the background loop that plays on your webpage.
I can't play the .wmv video clips because I'm on a Mac and have seldom
bothered with anything that doesn't run on Quicktime. However, if they're anything like your music I imagine they're pretty interesting. Nice web
design too.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

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In a message dated 7/19/05 7:08:33 PM, lothustronic@yahoo.com writes:

Hi ,Loopers!!!!

Lothus -experimental electronic music project from Argentina-
Visit our web page http://www.lo= thusmusik.com
(Info,mp3.pics & short-videos)

Thanks!!!

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"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_13e.17ab8d63.3012716e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 16:29:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2028C3BF96; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.54fff038.301278cb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:28:59 EDT Subject: Re: 10 new pieces posted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15a.54fff038.301278cb_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:29:03 +0000 (UTC) --part1_15a.54fff038.301278cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per, I am listening to these tracks right now. I think you've outdone yourself Per. These are even better than the "Oganizational Culture Loops" that you put out last year . . . and THAT disk was absolutely terrific. This=20 one are even better!!! I hope you will release it as an audio CD as well. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ In a message dated 7/20/05 4:08:59 AM, per@boysen.se writes: > Dear Fellow Loopers, >=20 > If anyone is interested I posted ten songs at http://www.looproom.com/flg/ >=20 > These are mono compatible stereo mixes. I have also mixed all pieces=A0 > for 5.1 surround system (minus center front speaker), but that's a=A0 > bit complicated to put on the web ;-)=A0 The surround mixes will go on=A0 > a DVD-v in november together with movie artworks by Samuel Poromaa. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_15a.54fff038.301278cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per,

I am listening to these tracks right now. I think you've outdone yourself Per. These are even better than the "Oganizational Culture Loops" that
you put out last year . . . and THAT disk was absolutely terrific. This
one are even better!!! I hope you will release it as an audio CD as well.
Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

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In a message dated 7/20/05 4:08:59 AM, per@boysen.se writes:

Dear Fellow Loopers,<= BR>
If anyone is interested I posted ten songs at http://www.looproom.com/flg/
These are mono compatible stereo mixes. I have also mixed all pieces=A0
for 5.1 surround system (minus center front speaker), but that's a=A0
bit complicated to put on the web ;-)=A0 The surround mixes will go on=A0 a DVD-v in november together with movie artworks by Samuel Poromaa.

Greetings from Sweden

-------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_15a.54fff038.301278cb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 16:40:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A74D3BF92; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005d01c58edc$1a0a9e60$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <15a.54fff038.301278cb@aol.com> Subject: Re: 10 new pieces posted Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:40:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01C58EEC.DD76BEA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:40:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C58EEC.DD76BEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm listening to these track too and I'm enjoying them. I think that will be more hearings to captured all the ideas you put in = it. I'm curious about the movie. Great job, Per. Fabio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: Re: 10 new pieces posted Per, I am listening to these tracks right now. I think you've outdone = yourself Per. These are even better than the "Oganizational Culture Loops" that you put out last year . . . and THAT disk was absolutely terrific. = This=20 one are even better!!! I hope you will release it as an audio CD as = well. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------- In a message dated 7/20/05 4:08:59 AM, per@boysen.se writes: Dear Fellow Loopers, If anyone is interested I posted ten songs at = http://www.looproom.com/flg/ These are mono compatible stereo mixes. I have also mixed all pieces = for 5.1 surround system (minus center front speaker), but that's a=20 bit complicated to put on the web ;-) The surround mixes will go on = a DVD-v in november together with movie artworks by Samuel Poromaa. Greetings from Sweden = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------- "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C58EEC.DD76BEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm listening to these = track too=20 and I'm enjoying them.
I think that will be = more hearings=20 to captured all the ideas you put in it.
I'm curious about the=20 movie.
Great job, = Per.
 
Fabio
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 = 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: 10 new pieces = posted

Per,

I am listening to these = tracks right=20 now. I think you've outdone yourself
Per. These are even better = than the=20 "Oganizational Culture Loops" that
you put out last year . . . and = THAT=20 disk was absolutely terrific. This
one are even better!!! I hope = you will=20 release it as an audio CD as well.

Best = regards,

tEd =AE = kiLLiAn

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In = a message dated=20 7/20/05 4:08:59 AM, per@boysen.se writes:

Dear Fellow Loopers,

If anyone is = interested I=20 posted ten songs at http://www.looproom.com/flg/

These are = mono=20 compatible stereo mixes. I have also mixed all pieces 
for = 5.1=20 surround system (minus center front speaker), but that's = a 
bit=20 complicated to put on the web ;-)  The surround mixes will go=20 on 
a DVD-v in november together with movie artworks by = Samuel=20 Poromaa.

Greetings from Sweden

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Different is not always better, but better is = always=20 different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845= 073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_1= 7314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?Pro= ductID=3D193

Ted = Killian's "Flux=20 Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, = MusicMatch,=20 MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents,=20 Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic,=20 Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, = blah.=20 So???=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C58EEC.DD76BEA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 17:21:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC2343BF99; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050722172103.55210.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:21:03 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: It's not Purple, it's Blue! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050722153017.49376.qmail@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:21:04 +0000 (UTC) They may as well have called it a Loopopadopolar rather than a "JamMan." for all it resembles the original design and intent of the JamMan. No feedback control takes a looper off my list of things to get and as a big fan of the original JamMan, I consider it false advertising to name something as different as this new box is to the classic looper. Doesn't matter that color it is, but if it won't sync to a MIDI clock or give me some sort of feedback control, it isn't a JamMan. Mark --- daniel stevenson wrote: > congratulations on the new tool,that must be the > digitech bill at geman village music huas was talkin > about.how long does that thing loop?will you run it > to "one" of your mixer inputs or thru the effects > loop so you can loop all the channels?i wish i had a > mixer.lol....boat drinks, scary visionary > > wrote:I happily received my > Digitech Jamman yesterday from AMS. It comes nicely > presented in a hefty box with included power supply > & 128 MB CompactFlash card. The unit is hefty, too. > Similar, in a sense, to the boss Loop Station. I did > a quick & dirty hookup to my Fender Cyber-Deluxe amp > through the effects loop. This is definitely not the > ideal configuration but I just wanted to give it a > run-through. Ultimately, I'd hook the output of the > Jamman to one of my mixer inputs and listen via > monitors. > > I have to say the operation of the pedal is easily > understood, albeit the pedal has less functionality > than an EDP. For some reason, the Jamman was > pre-loaded with some rock-oriented drums & bass > patterns in several loops. I proceeded to delete > those asap. I haven't experimented yet with the > Autorecord function but used the pedal's normal > Record function. Unfortunately, I was wearing > flip-flops at the time so I kept screwing up my > initial loop timing. Lesson learned. But, the > operation of using the onboard pedals seemed to me > to be very suitable. > > I didn't spend a whole lot of time tweaking tone or > levels but the overall sound characteristic seemed > just a little muddy to me. Again, I probably need to > get my configuration up to speed before I pass > judgement. > > I guess I'm going to pop for the three-button switch > to control loop-up & loop down as I don't want to be > twisting knobs on the floor. I have an older > Digitech three-button switch. Wonder if it will > work? > > For the money ($299), this strikes me as an awesome > pedal. Up to 99 loops is very nice. The larger > CompactFlash cards offer tons of recording time. The > included USB port is a really nice freeby. > Unfortunate, the pedal doesn't have MIDI sync nor > any feedback control nor a fade out feature. But, > for 3 bills...I like the reference to the original > Jamman pedal but it occurred to me that the new > Jamman doesn't function as a Delay device. > > The proof is in the pudding, though. The pedal > inspired me toplay for over an hour and I did some > pretty nice things and had some fun even with a > half-assed quick setup. I think I'm goint to have > with this pedal. > > Regards, Paul > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 17:37:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5E803BF9B; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: Elecetrix Repeater mk II Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:37:34 -0700 Message-ID: <025201c58ee4$0bb49980$3200a8c0@khp1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0253_01C58EA9.5F55C180" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:37:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0253_01C58EA9.5F55C180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Hey, =20 Anyone heard any news about release date? I may have to order a Digi = jamman to tie me over. =20 Soon, =20 ken ------=_NextPart_000_0253_01C58EA9.5F55C180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey Hey,

 

Anyone heard any news about release date?  I may = have to order a Digi jamman to tie me over.

 

Soon,

 

ken

------=_NextPart_000_0253_01C58EA9.5F55C180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 17:51:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F279B3BF9E; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QAyjjPVQdxxnIb/n0FJlUfL7BdyveELg0+HzfQaqiRtqj/Pecp85mBnjhN0jevTa7K0SVSggyuMknysYeAyxF6aVvdngdPLf46G46AnA44DAqRpozbR93vqreKE7CQN1O8iomc6DZ/MGLg/8v4Zqkb8ojHWN+tldg/UtkiXvB24= ; Message-ID: <20050722175109.27848.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:51:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: It's not Purple, it's Blue! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050722172103.55210.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-112092026-1122054669=:26361" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:51:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-112092026-1122054669=:26361 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK, Archie Bunker. mark sottilaro wrote:They may as well have called it a Loopopadopolar rather than a "JamMan." for all it resembles the original design and intent of the JamMan. No feedback control takes a looper off my list of things to get and as a big fan of the original JamMan, I consider it false advertising to name something as different as this new box is to the classic looper. Doesn't matter that color it is, but if it won't sync to a MIDI clock or give me some sort of feedback control, it isn't a JamMan. Mark --- daniel stevenson wrote: > congratulations on the new tool,that must be the > digitech bill at geman village music huas was talkin > about.how long does that thing loop?will you run it > to "one" of your mixer inputs or thru the effects > loop so you can loop all the channels?i wish i had a > mixer.lol....boat drinks, scary visionary > > wrote:I happily received my > Digitech Jamman yesterday from AMS. It comes nicely > presented in a hefty box with included power supply > & 128 MB CompactFlash card. The unit is hefty, too. > Similar, in a sense, to the boss Loop Station. I did > a quick & dirty hookup to my Fender Cyber-Deluxe amp > through the effects loop. This is definitely not the > ideal configuration but I just wanted to give it a > run-through. Ultimately, I'd hook the output of the > Jamman to one of my mixer inputs and listen via > monitors. > > I have to say the operation of the pedal is easily > understood, albeit the pedal has less functionality > than an EDP. For some reason, the Jamman was > pre-loaded with some rock-oriented drums & bass > patterns in several loops. I proceeded to delete > those asap. I haven't experimented yet with the > Autorecord function but used the pedal's normal > Record function. Unfortunately, I was wearing > flip-flops at the time so I kept screwing up my > initial loop timing. Lesson learned. But, the > operation of using the onboard pedals seemed to me > to be very suitable. > > I didn't spend a whole lot of time tweaking tone or > levels but the overall sound characteristic seemed > just a little muddy to me. Again, I probably need to > get my configuration up to speed before I pass > judgement. > > I guess I'm going to pop for the three-button switch > to control loop-up & loop down as I don't want to be > twisting knobs on the floor. I have an older > Digitech three-button switch. Wonder if it will > work? > > For the money ($299), this strikes me as an awesome > pedal. Up to 99 loops is very nice. The larger > CompactFlash cards offer tons of recording time. The > included USB port is a really nice freeby. > Unfortunate, the pedal doesn't have MIDI sync nor > any feedback control nor a fade out feature. But, > for 3 bills...I like the reference to the original > Jamman pedal but it occurred to me that the new > Jamman doesn't function as a Delay device. > > The proof is in the pudding, though. The pedal > inspired me toplay for over an hour and I did some > pretty nice things and had some fun even with a > half-assed quick setup. I think I'm goint to have > with this pedal. > > Regards, Paul > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-112092026-1122054669=:26361 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
OK, Archie Bunker.

mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
They may as well have called it a Loopopadopolar
rather than a "JamMan." for all it resembles the
original design and intent of the JamMan. No feedback
control takes a looper off my list of things to get
and as a big fan of the original JamMan, I consider it
false advertising to name something as different as
this new box is to the classic looper.

Doesn't matter that color it is, but if it won't sync
to a MIDI clock or give me some sort of feedback
control, it isn't a JamMan.

Mark

--- daniel stevenson wrote:

> congratulations on the new tool,that must be the
> digitech bill at geman village music huas was talkin
> about.how long does that thing loop?will you run it
> to "one" of your mixer inputs or thru the effects
> loop so you can loop all the channels?i wish i had a
> mixer.lol....boat drinks, scary visionary
>
> wrote:I happily received my
> Digitech Jamman yesterday from AMS. It comes nicely
> presented in a hefty box with included power supply
> & 128 MB CompactFlash card. The unit is hefty, too.
> Similar, in a sense, to the boss Loop Station. I did
> a quick & dirty hookup to my Fender Cyber-Deluxe amp
> through the effects loop. This is definitely not the
> ideal configuration but I just wanted to give it a
> run-through. Ultimately, I'd hook the output of the
> Jamman to one of my mixer inputs and listen via
> monitors.
>
> I have to say the operation of the pedal is easily
> understood, albeit the pedal has less functionality
> than an EDP. For some reason, the Jamman was
> pre-loaded with some rock-oriented drums & bass
> patterns in several loops. I proceeded to delete
> those asap. I haven't experimented yet with the
> Autorecord function but used the pedal's normal
> Record function. Unfortunately, I was wearing
> flip-flops at the time so I kept screwing up my
> initial loop timing. Lesson learned. But, the
> operation of using the onboard pedals seemed to me
> to be very suitable.
>
> I didn't spend a whole lot of time tweaking tone or
> levels but the overall sound characteristic seemed
> just a little muddy to me. Again, I probably need to
> get my configuration up to speed before I pass
> judgement.
>
> I guess I'm going to pop for the three-button switch
> to control loop-up & loop down as I don't want to be
> twisting knobs on the floor. I have an older
> Digitech three-button switch. Wonder if it will
> work?
>
> For the money ($299), this strikes me as an awesome
> pedal. Up to 99 loops is very nice. The larger
> CompactFlash cards offer tons of recording time. The
> included USB port is a really nice freeby.
> Unfortunate, the pedal doesn't have MIDI sync nor
> any feedback control nor a fade out feature. But,
> for 3 bills...I like the reference to the original
> Jamman pedal but it occurred to me that the new
> Jamman doesn't function as a Delay device.
>
> The proof is in the pudding, though. The pedal
> inspired me toplay for over an hour and I did some
> pretty nice things and had some fun even with a
> half-assed quick setup. I think I'm goint to have
> with this pedal.
>
> Regards, Paul
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-112092026-1122054669=:26361-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 17:59:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28B9F3BFA4; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: Steps Ahead / Michael Brecker Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:58:34 +0200 Message-ID: <00db01c58ee6$ff04bcd0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: <8418d.A.p3C.jPT4CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Last Monday I attended a mind-blowing concert by Steps Ahead: Mike Mainieri (vibes), Mike Stern (g), Richard Bona (b), Steve Smith (dr). Unfortunately, Michael Brecker was missing (Bill Evans stepped in for him) and we were informed that Michael appears to be seriously ill with myelodysplastic syndrome (MDS, see http://www.mds-foundation.org/) for which he is undergoing treatment. The best get well wishes to him! Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 18:02:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F80E3BFA4; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050722140213.5mchpqgq2ozok4so@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:02:13 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It's not Purple, it's Blue! References: <20050722175109.27848.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050722175109.27848.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Interesting to note that they are using the JamMan phrase through a license with Lexicon. Apparently they're not worrying about their reputation being smirched. I read in some product note that this unit DOES do fading/degrading loops. ~peace~ Michael mark sottilaro wrote:They may as well > have called it a Loopopadopolar > rather than a "JamMan." for all it resembles the > original design and intent of the JamMan. No feedback > control takes a looper off my list of things to get > and as a big fan of the original JamMan, I consider it > false advertising to name something as different as > this new box is to the classic looper. > > Doesn't matter that color it is, but if it won't sync > to a MIDI clock or give me some sort of feedback > control, it isn't a JamMan. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 18:04:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE07B3BFA7; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Steps Ahead / Michael Brecker Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:04:25 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB85D@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Steps Ahead / Michael Brecker Thread-Index: AcWO5ws2dT4JiESLTh6SSUqmgs3jswAAFzmw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2005 18:04:26.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC4A7B30:01C58EE7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Can you tell us more about Stern....he's a great player. Was he using the Roland JC 120 amps with the heavy processing with chorus and delay? I still love his "Is What It Is". K-=20 -----Original Message----- From: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz]=20 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Steps Ahead / Michael Brecker Last Monday I attended a mind-blowing concert by Steps Ahead: Mike Mainieri (vibes), Mike Stern (g), Richard Bona (b), Steve Smith (dr). Unfortunately, Michael Brecker was missing (Bill Evans stepped in for him) and we were informed that Michael appears to be seriously ill with myelodysplastic syndrome (MDS, see http://www.mds-foundation.org/) for which he is undergoing treatment. The best get well wishes to him! Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 19:10:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 513FA3BFA6; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: RE: Steps Ahead / Michael Brecker Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:10:13 +0200 Message-ID: <00df01c58ef1$000b72e0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB85D@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD,NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Yes, he was using Jazz Chorus amps and his characteristic sound. Though = I was more concentrated on Mike Mainieri. He was amazing! But Richard Bona = was just unbelievable. While playing the bass line, he was intonating the = melody of "Wishing Well" unisono with Stern. They'd already done this on the = 2001 CD "Voices": http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/01/26/114847.php There's a short excerpt on http://www.guitar9.com/audio/voices4.mp3 And they played my favourite tune "Pools" by Don Grolnick! Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 20:04 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Steps Ahead / Michael Brecker >=20 > Can you tell us more about Stern....he's a great player. Was he using > the Roland JC 120 amps with the heavy processing with chorus and = delay? > I still love his "Is What It Is". >=20 > K- >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:59 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Steps Ahead / Michael Brecker >=20 >=20 > Last Monday I attended a mind-blowing concert by Steps Ahead: Mike > Mainieri (vibes), Mike Stern (g), Richard Bona (b), Steve Smith (dr). > Unfortunately, Michael Brecker was missing (Bill Evans stepped in for > him) and we were informed that Michael appears to be seriously ill = with > myelodysplastic syndrome (MDS, see http://www.mds-foundation.org/) for > which he is undergoing treatment. > The best get well wishes to him! >=20 > Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 19:54:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 574E43BFA4; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E14F03.6030801@biink.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:54:43 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , tuning@yahoogroups.com, MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, thewire-announcements@yahoogroups.com, musicflames@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cakewalk announces Group Buy program for Z3TA+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:54:34 +0000 (UTC) http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/Z3TA/group.asp -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 20:02:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A9083BFAC; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:02:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Old-Message-ID: <42E15108.904@boomerangmusic.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:03:20 -0500 From: Mike Nelson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elecetrix Repeater mk II References: <20050722103743-1932159808@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20050722103743-1932159808@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20050722130243-2680162145@[71.96.234.197]> Old-X-Envelope-From: X-Auth-Username: X-Abuse: FOR ABUSE COMPLAINTS PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE ALONG WITH ALL HEADERS TO ABUSE@IHOST.BIZ. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:02:42 +0000 (UTC) > Anyone heard any news about release date? I may have to order a Digi > jamman to tie me over. No, no. Order the super discounted flawed Rang. ;) --*-- SPECIAL OFFER --*-- We have about 200 V2 Modules with a software bug and will be building a special batch of Rangs with them. The resulting flawed Rangs will be sold for $279, and we pay for shipping in the continental United States! They will be sold directly to players and not through stores. You may also buy a Rang gig bag for only $19 when purchasing one of there units. Other than this one bug, these are fully functional, warrantied, brand new Boomerang(R) Plus Phrase Samplers, but they will be prominently marked as flawed. Here's the bug. If you start recording and allow the Rang to record until the memory is full, all the green LED's come on brightly. So far this is normal behavior. If you immediately press PLAY, the Rang will play normally with no problem. However if you allow the Rang to sit for a while with the green LED's lit up and then press PLAY, loud disorted sounds may play back. The amount of time for the Rang to sit with the green LED's lit and the recording to degrade to noise is different for each unit. If you find your Rang in this state, simply press RECORD then PLAY(STOP) to erase the noisy recording. If the Rang doesn't completely fill memory AND then sit for a while, there are no problems. A normally recorded loop will not degrade. Please let me know if you are interested in purchasing one of these flawed Rangs. --*-- SADLY NECESSARY LEGAL SCHTICK --*-- By purchasing one of these flawed units you agree to assume all liability for any problems or damage caused by use of your Rang, whether by you or someone else. In no circumstances is Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. liable for any damage to you or others, or your or other's equipment, by use of a Rang with this known software flaw. -- "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler makes you play better." -- Mike Nelson Shipping address for repairs & upgrades: 3704 Oakwood Grapevine, TX 76051 Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 800-530-4699 * 817-251-8737, Outside USA * 817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 20:12:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE8BF3BFA0; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dGLUOqKd1Iy0jSqqf5xgcmnWh69R9cfdT2djB/aHHNizJUH5hLxV/go4/8pHB9ydUwRnISCnoYRW5LJ1VheLBtvmPPO8meIW/mmZ82bpZTnA8EuF3gfGDN8/Ka47v30uJ6m+87UX9MGkTfRzXiAl9gl/9wPxLagGnH4uoJUWIjY= ; Message-ID: <20050722201256.30679.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:12:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: It's not Purple, it's Blue! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050722140213.5mchpqgq2ozok4so@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_pkls.A.McH.JNV4CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:12:57 +0000 (UTC) The Harman Music Group owns both Lexicon and DigiTech (as well as DOD and DBX), so it's really a non-issue. -t- --- mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > Interesting to note that they are using the JamMan > phrase through a > license with > Lexicon. Apparently they're not worrying about > their reputation being > smirched. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 20:16:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C3503BFAC; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <577948A4-D90B-47D8-AA3E-5F25F47A4253@boysen.se> References: <5C24EDB5-C781-4438-8AC0-EFA41C97C548@collective.co.uk> <577948A4-D90B-47D8-AA3E-5F25F47A4253@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Augustus Loop, now with better MIDI sync Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:16:50 +0100 To: Per Boysen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, glad you like the new update! I've really not changed anything more than I mentioned in the release notes. If you're finding improvements in other area, then I guess that's either coincidence, or maybe like you say now the sync features are working better the rest of it 'feels' better too. cheers, os. On 22 Jul 2005, at 15:36, Per Boysen wrote: > > I'm a happy user now, but I wonder what else you have changed? It > seems like it doesn't go out of sync that much any longer after > changing beat divisor or wacking audio by the reverse function. > > Or maybe this stable feel is because I'm using Augustus Loop now as > the master looper? (sending MIDI clock to Ableton Live and my > FireworX "pre amp / fx processor" unit) > > August now delivers that cool "first loop tempo setting" option. > For my looping taste Augustus Loop as the master is the perfect > balance between control and wackyness - I mean Augustus doesn't > always come back right on the downbeat. Sometimes when I have > transposed the loop a dozen times, or reversed it etc, it is a > quarter note off or so and then you'll have to kick in the revers > for a second - or change the beat divisor and back again. These > tricks use to get the loop back into the beat, which is amazing > because Augustus Loop is supposed to be a free flowing tape delay > simulator? You must have done something new to this version in that > meter syncing department! > > Greetings from Sweden From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 20:46:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EF653BFA7; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050722213644.0323a3e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:41:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: It's not Purple, it's Blue! In-Reply-To: <20050722173741.49BD73BFA5@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050722173741.49BD73BFA5@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:46:23 +0000 (UTC) >Doesn't matter that color it is, but if it won't sync >to a MIDI clock or give me some sort of feedback >control, it isn't a JamMan. ..but the Jamman doesn't really give you both those features simultaneously. It doesn't MIDI sync in the Delay( called Echo) mode. ..and in Loop Mode there's a very limited feedback control which is only accessible by Midi, and very glitchy (especially if you try to overdub) how do you work around that ? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 21:13:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1BD43BFA9; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009101c58f02$3be299e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: It's not Purple, t's Blue Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:13:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Mark Sottilaro wrote: "No feedback control takes a looper off my list of things to get and as a big fan of the original JamMan, I consider it false advertising to name something as different as this new box is to the classic looper." I hear you Mark but, frankly, I'm so old school that I had the exact same thought when Oberheim put out the Echoplex. Man it had nothing to do with the tube/tape Echoplexes I used to play with and I was 1) bummed and 2) upset about false adverstising...........................lol, boy was I wrong about that one. I love my EDPs now!!!!!! .....................interestingly enough, I don't even think about the Echoplex of the seventies when I hear the name Echoplex now....... and no midi sync on the JamPerson? ouch!!!!!!!! Still in the $300 range it actually sounds awesome up against the DL4 and the RC-20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 22 22:46:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E4083BF9C; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050722224610.72481.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:46:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: re: It's not Purple, t's Blue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009101c58f02$3be299e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Yes, but consider for a moment that for another $140 you can get the Repeater MK2 and that shit sould be, as the kids say, da bomb. (if it's ever released hee hee) Mark --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > "No feedback > control takes a looper off my list of things to get > and as a big fan of the original JamMan, I consider > it > false advertising to name something as different as > this new box is to the classic looper." > > I hear you Mark but, frankly, I'm so old school > that I had the exact same > thought when > Oberheim put out the Echoplex. Man it had > nothing to do with the > tube/tape Echoplexes > I used to play with and I was 1) bummed and 2) upset > about false > adverstising...........................lol, boy > was I wrong about that > one. I love my EDPs now!!!!!! > .....................interestingly enough, I don't > even think about the > Echoplex > of the seventies when I hear the name Echoplex > now....... > > and no midi sync on the JamPerson? ouch!!!!!!!! > > Still in the $300 range it actually sounds awesome > up against the DL4 and > the RC-20 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 03:06:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0C653BF43; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 03:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050722213644.0323a3e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <20050722173741.49BD73BFA5@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050722213644.0323a3e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: It's not Purple, it's Blue! Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:06:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 03:06:39 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 22, 2005, at 4:41 PM, a k butler wrote: > >> Doesn't matter that color it is, but if it won't sync >> to a MIDI clock or give me some sort of feedback >> control, it isn't a JamMan. > > ..but the Jamman doesn't really give you both those features > simultaneously. > > It doesn't MIDI sync in the Delay( called Echo) mode. > > ..and in Loop Mode there's a very limited feedback control > which is only accessible by Midi, and very glitchy > (especially if you try to overdub) > > how do you work around that ? > Get Bob Sellon's "special ROM" for JamMan which allows you to access Delay Mode while in Loop mode with MIDI sync and full feedback control with MIDI cc among other things. ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 06:05:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 806543BF3B; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=i7RhVt+r9/h+4bYXlfzPu6zjaNWwgoxFsWN6uY2vWl4DrN1eHBap9qsnf547fCzvjXBszVYOZwQDlo5xNEBiN3tfHLqOl1sIbb6rhMacGYdTg3HEJq1ZKCfztBGTiR0o60Dff6qmcN/+KtoubFFI8hN6MbfvDXwzZT9Uy8+TzoU= ; Message-ID: <20050723060509.43186.qmail@web32509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: re: It's not Purple, t's Blue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050722224610.72481.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-493769667-1122098709=:42079" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:05:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-493769667-1122098709=:42079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i test drove the jaman today it was nice having long loops compared to my dl4 but no battery option is a definate no no when you play the streets and i like the ease of a delay right in the loop.i hope line6 makes a longer loop capacity in the future. scary. mark sottilaro wrote:Yes, but consider for a moment that for another $140 you can get the Repeater MK2 and that shit sould be, as the kids say, da bomb. (if it's ever released hee hee) Mark --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > "No feedback > control takes a looper off my list of things to get > and as a big fan of the original JamMan, I consider > it > false advertising to name something as different as > this new box is to the classic looper." > > I hear you Mark but, frankly, I'm so old school > that I had the exact same > thought when > Oberheim put out the Echoplex. Man it had > nothing to do with the > tube/tape Echoplexes > I used to play with and I was 1) bummed and 2) upset > about false > adverstising...........................lol, boy > was I wrong about that > one. I love my EDPs now!!!!!! > .....................interestingly enough, I don't > even think about the > Echoplex > of the seventies when I hear the name Echoplex > now....... > > and no midi sync on the JamPerson? ouch!!!!!!!! > > Still in the $300 range it actually sounds awesome > up against the DL4 and > the RC-20 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-493769667-1122098709=:42079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
i test drove the jaman today it was nice having long loops compared to my dl4 but no battery option is a definate no no when you play the streets and i like the ease of a delay right in the loop.i hope line6 makes a longer loop capacity in the future.            scary.

mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yes, but consider for a moment that for another $140
you can get the Repeater MK2 and that shit sould be,
as the kids say, da bomb.
(if it's ever released hee hee)

Mark

--- "loop.pool" wrote:

> Mark Sottilaro wrote:
> "No feedback
> control takes a looper off my list of things to get
> and as a big fan of the original JamMan, I consider
> it
> false advertising to name something as different as
> this new box is to the classic looper."
>
> I hear you Mark but, frankly, I'm so old school
> that I had the exact same
> thought when
> Oberheim put out the Echoplex. Man it had
> nothing to do with the
> tube/tape Echoplexes
> I used to play with and I was 1) bummed and 2) upset
> about false
> adverstising...........................lol, boy
> was I wrong about that
> one. I love my EDPs now!!!!!!
> .....................interestingly enough, I don't
> even think about the
> Echoplex
> of the seventies when I hear the name Echoplex
> now.......
>
> and no midi sync on the JamPerson? ouch!!!!!!!!
>
> Still in the $300 range it actually sounds awesome
> up against the DL4 and
> the RC-20
>
>

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-493769667-1122098709=:42079-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 06:06:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2D7D3BF44; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lsaZmjFzydDeQsme12QZJItLAnVP8TqIXephg2g6gv32tpswIxn/c5FAcgwMSxr6M3Sz0Ygy8V2bLmDxwPmOSa6ELS7H0Y0Lv2werG9DnWrg49pyCIarrbrre636IJ+jP7T1IHlU+ouQemTZmAndqeyngcyEzJbIvBWi7KsFCvE= ; Message-ID: <20050723060630.85271.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <011701c58de2$85b564b0$040a0a0a@fabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Grüezi Bernhard, i am curious what pedals do you have there down there? Luis --- Fabio Anile wrote: > ..funny that Bernhard's "looping guitar".... > > Fabio > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:10 AM > Subject: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th > documented > > > Hi there > > Last Wednesday, July 13th, there was a promo event > for the upcoming > Loopfestival Zürich. There was a great audience of > around 50 attendants > including Matthias Grob and Bruno Spoerri. Many > thanks to the hosts > digitaler salon and walcheturm! > Go to http://loopfestival.com/ds05, scroll down and > click on "Photos" and > "Slides" for more information (and the sight of an > y2k4 shirt recently > discussed in this forum ;) ). > > Thanx > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > http://loopfestival.com > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 08:12:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DF133BF44; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050723090341.02dc8a80@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:07:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: It's not Purple, it's Blue!(Sellon Chip) In-Reply-To: <20050723060510.4D6513BF3C@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050723060510.4D6513BF3C@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6ze0hB.A.5zF.qvf4CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:12:27 +0000 (UTC) At 07:05 23/07/05, you wrote: >Get Bob Sellon's "special ROM" for JamMan which allows you to access >Delay Mode while in Loop mode with MIDI sync and full feedback >control with MIDI cc among other things. > >ed Does that solve the JamMan Midi delay issues? Does it solve the JamMan problem of clicks at the loop start/end when overdubbing while Midi syncing? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 10:29:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDA0B3BF3C; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: RE: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:29:09 +0200 Message-ID: <013301c58f71$5fe1ff10$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <20050723060630.85271.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD,NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis I have a description of the gear here: http://nosuch.biz/soundz/gear.html Additionally, I used a Boss DD-6, borrowed from a friend, to demonstrate that you can loop also with stomp boxes, albeit very limited: 5 seconds = and no feedback control. The slide #18 of the talk shows the signal path: http://loopfestival.com/talks/0507.pdf Thanks for your interest! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Samstag, 23. Juli 2005 08:06 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented >=20 > Gr=FCezi Bernhard, > i am curious > what pedals do you have there down there? > Luis >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Fabio Anile wrote: >=20 > > ..funny that Bernhard's "looping guitar".... > > > > Fabio > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:10 AM > > Subject: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th > > documented > > > > > > Hi there > > > > Last Wednesday, July 13th, there was a promo event > > for the upcoming > > Loopfestival Z=FCrich. There was a great audience of > > around 50 attendants > > including Matthias Grob and Bruno Spoerri. Many > > thanks to the hosts > > digitaler salon and walcheturm! > > Go to http://loopfestival.com/ds05, scroll down and > > click on "Photos" and > > "Slides" for more information (and the sight of an > > y2k4 shirt recently > > discussed in this forum ;) ). > > > > Thanx > > Bernhard > > http://nosuch.biz > > http://loopfestival.com > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 > www.luis-angulo.com >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 13:37:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA0683BF27; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050723090341.02dc8a80@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <20050723060510.4D6513BF3C@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050723090341.02dc8a80@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: It's not Purple, it's Blue!(Sellon Chip) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:37:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:37:31 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 23, 2005, at 4:07 AM, a k butler wrote: > At 07:05 23/07/05, you wrote: >> Get Bob Sellon's "special ROM" for JamMan which allows you to access >> Delay Mode while in Loop mode with MIDI sync and full feedback >> control with MIDI cc among other things. >> >> ed > > Does that solve the JamMan Midi delay issues? > Does it solve the JamMan problem of clicks at the loop start/end when > overdubbing while Midi syncing? > I use it with a midi pedal (PMC 10) exclusively and there is no noticeable MIDI delay. I first heard about this supposed JamMan midi delay here on the list and asked Bob about it and he said the midi delay is 5 ms or less. As far as I'm concerned this is one of those "urban myths'' that keeps being circulated about the JamMan. Maybe the Midi delay is coming from the midi pedal being used, I know the Yamaha midi pedal is notorious for it's delay. If the JamMan is the master clock there are no clicks but if is the midi slave there are clicks. I use my JamMan as the master clock and sync my Echoplex and Repeater to it and it works great! ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 13:50:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E74B83BF3F; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:50:31 +0300 From: Risto Paalanen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi, loopheads. I suppose it's finally time for me to come out of the closet. My name is Risto Paalanen, and I'm a looper. I've been lurking on LD for years now, and I'd like to thank everyone on the list for their ideas; this is (occasional warts and all) probably the best web-community I've had the pleasure of running into. I'm currently playing (guitar and doodads) in a noise/industrial/ambient band called Älymystö (whose sound is currently under renovation and apparently turning into something a bit like this for our upcoming CD: http://www.taphead.net/kolminaisuus.mp3), and doing occasional solo performances in a more free-improv vein. Anyway, on to the dilemma! My current gig setup is Guitar -> Pod Pro -> Mixer -> Loopers (DL-4 and Repeater) -> Mixer -> PA. My problems with this are twofold: 1) Pod Pro is a versatile box, but unfortunately a bit too sterile for my taste. I'd like to use something that responds more to the changes in style of play, preferably without lugging my trusty Rivera around. 2) I'd like to minimise the amount of equipment I have to haul. A rack is an easy solution, but lately I've been trying out Ableton Live and have pretty much been floored by it. (At this point, special kudos to Per Boysen, whose work with the software has been absolutely stunning.) So. I've been thinking about switching to an all-laptop setup. I'll probably get a Powerbook, since the hefty pricetag does reflect on stability and performance. Them's the breaks. I would prefer not having an amp at all and just settle for running the guitar signal through a DI into a laptop running a modelling amplifier / Ableton Live, controlled with the FCB1010 and possibly a BCR2000 as MIDI controllers. Would any of you folks have experiences with software-amps? A second solution would be a Vox Tonelab SE, which seems to me to be more responsive than the Pod. The downside would be the real estate it takes up on stage as well as the need for extra tapdancing. Oh, if any there are any loopers in Finland looking for collaborators or such, feel free to give me a holler. Pax, R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 15:36:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32EA13BF1D; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:36:33 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB927@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Thread-Index: AcWPjX5SHY82tfnzS0iZn/HEl1lT5gADhMkg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2005 15:36:35.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EDA32C0:01C58F9C] Resent-Message-ID: <0oeWQD.A.fBH.FQm4CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:36:38 +0000 (UTC) What Pod Pro are you using, Risto? I used a Pod XT Pro rackmount for a = while, and I loved the tone...and I used to play for years using real = amps like Fender 1X12s, Mesa Boogie Mark I, etc. You can hear what I = eaked out of it with the solo on this MP3. http://box.net/public/khartung/files/301860.html Anyway, it was my impression that the the XT Pro might have some better = quality sounds than the lower models. How about Amplitude? I tried out the trial version for a while, and it = seemed decent: http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product~name~IK-Amplitude-Live~ID~3923.asp Kris -----Original Message----- From: Risto Paalanen [mailto:rtp@iki.fi]=20 Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 7:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Hi, loopheads. I suppose it's finally time for me to come out of the closet. My name is = Risto Paalanen, and I'm a looper. I've been lurking on LD for years now, = and I'd like to thank everyone on the list for their ideas; this is = (occasional warts and all) probably the best web-community I've had the = pleasure of running into. I'm currently playing (guitar and doodads) in a noise/industrial/ambient = band called =C4lymyst=F6 (whose sound is currently under renovation and = apparently turning into something a bit like this for our upcoming CD:=20 http://www.taphead.net/kolminaisuus.mp3), and doing occasional solo = performances in a more free-improv vein. Anyway, on to the dilemma! My current gig setup is Guitar -> Pod Pro -> = Mixer -> Loopers (DL-4 and Repeater) -> Mixer -> PA. My problems with = this are twofold: 1) Pod Pro is a versatile box, but unfortunately a bit too sterile for = my taste. I'd like to use something that responds more to the changes in = style of play, preferably without lugging my trusty Rivera around. 2) I'd like to minimise the amount of equipment I have to haul. A rack = is an easy solution, but lately I've been trying out Ableton Live and = have pretty much been floored by it. (At this point, special kudos to = Per Boysen, whose work with the software has been absolutely stunning.) So. I've been thinking about switching to an all-laptop setup. I'll = probably get a Powerbook, since the hefty pricetag does reflect on = stability and performance. Them's the breaks. I would prefer not having an amp at all and just settle for running the = guitar signal through a DI into a laptop running a modelling amplifier / = Ableton Live, controlled with the FCB1010 and possibly a BCR2000 as MIDI = controllers. Would any of you folks have experiences with software-amps? = A second solution would be a Vox Tonelab SE, which seems to me to be = more responsive than the Pod. The downside would be the real estate it = takes up on stage as well as the need for extra tapdancing. Oh, if any there are any loopers in Finland looking for collaborators or = such, feel free to give me a holler. Pax, R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 16:00:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EE293BF27; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5QLa78D/K7NLBJrRrpz0iqwHDfrfojxGO1lpwWjbbjB6DzZ4LweDeWaFsJ36PQcRyZjDtMWDt8gH2TvHojdo0vW47EHAhXxGCuCCX1rJm+B9y43BV6dP0BsSbaDOiXFgU5Ix+V2QKtufOIwK0AAtFVGlgk69vAW6Y/gzjb9ua48= ; Message-ID: <20050723160023.14020.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:00:23 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-313281261-1122134423=:12752" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:00:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-313281261-1122134423=:12752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello,Risto. ive got the simplest set up in the world 12 string/dl4/micro cube.its mobile, the cube has amp modeling, and sounds good with a long battery life.i can walk anywhere and have my gear with me.=freedom Risto Paalanen wrote:Hi, loopheads. I suppose it's finally time for me to come out of the closet. My name is Risto Paalanen, and I'm a looper. I've been lurking on LD for years now, and I'd like to thank everyone on the list for their ideas; this is (occasional warts and all) probably the best web-community I've had the pleasure of running into. I'm currently playing (guitar and doodads) in a noise/industrial/ambient band called Älymystö (whose sound is currently under renovation and apparently turning into something a bit like this for our upcoming CD: http://www.taphead.net/kolminaisuus.mp3), and doing occasional solo performances in a more free-improv vein. Anyway, on to the dilemma! My current gig setup is Guitar -> Pod Pro -> Mixer -> Loopers (DL-4 and Repeater) -> Mixer -> PA. My problems with this are twofold: 1) Pod Pro is a versatile box, but unfortunately a bit too sterile for my taste. I'd like to use something that responds more to the changes in style of play, preferably without lugging my trusty Rivera around. 2) I'd like to minimise the amount of equipment I have to haul. A rack is an easy solution, but lately I've been trying out Ableton Live and have pretty much been floored by it. (At this point, special kudos to Per Boysen, whose work with the software has been absolutely stunning.) So. I've been thinking about switching to an all-laptop setup. I'll probably get a Powerbook, since the hefty pricetag does reflect on stability and performance. Them's the breaks. I would prefer not having an amp at all and just settle for running the guitar signal through a DI into a laptop running a modelling amplifier / Ableton Live, controlled with the FCB1010 and possibly a BCR2000 as MIDI controllers. Would any of you folks have experiences with software-amps? A second solution would be a Vox Tonelab SE, which seems to me to be more responsive than the Pod. The downside would be the real estate it takes up on stage as well as the need for extra tapdancing. Oh, if any there are any loopers in Finland looking for collaborators or such, feel free to give me a holler. Pax, R. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-313281261-1122134423=:12752 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

hello,Risto.               ive got the simplest set up in the world 12 string/dl4/micro cube.its mobile, the cube has amp modeling, and sounds good with a long battery life.i can walk anywhere and have my gear with me.=freedom
Risto Paalanen <rtp@iki.fi> wrote:
Hi, loopheads.

I suppose it's finally time for me to come out of the closet. My name is
Risto Paalanen, and I'm a looper. I've been lurking on LD for years now,
and I'd like to thank everyone on the list for their ideas; this is
(occasional warts and all) probably the best web-community I've had the
pleasure of running into.

I'm currently playing (guitar and doodads) in a noise/industrial/ambient
band called Älymystö (whose sound is currently under renovation and
apparently turning into something a bit like this for our upcoming CD:
http://www.taphead.net/kolminaisuus.mp3), and doing occasional solo
performances in a more free-improv vein.


Anyway, on to the dilemma! My current gig setup is Guitar -> Pod Pro ->
Mixer -> Loopers (DL-4 and Repeater) -> Mixer -> PA. My problems with
this are twofold:

1) Pod Pro is a versatile box, but unfortunately a bit too sterile for
my taste. I'd like to use something that responds more to the changes in
style of play, preferably without lugging my trusty Rivera around.

2) I'd like to minimise the amount of equipment I have to haul. A rack
is an easy solution, but lately I've been trying out Ableton Live and
have pretty much been floored by it. (At this point, special kudos to
Per Boysen, whose work with the software has been absolutely stunning.)

So. I've been thinking about switching to an all-laptop setup. I'll
probably get a Powerbook, since the hefty pricetag does reflect on
stability and performance. Them's the breaks.

I would prefer not having an amp at all and just settle for running the
guitar signal through a DI into a laptop running a modelling amplifier /
Ableton Live, controlled with the FCB1010 and possibly a BCR2000 as MIDI
controllers. Would any of you folks have experiences with software-amps?
A second solution would be a Vox Tonelab SE, which seems to me to be
more responsive than the Pod. The downside would be the real estate it
takes up on stage as well as the need for extra tapdancing.


Oh, if any there are any loopers in Finland looking for collaborators or
such, feel free to give me a holler.


Pax,
R.

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-313281261-1122134423=:12752-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 17:57:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99DD43BF37; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E284FE.7010703@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:57:18 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. References: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> In-Reply-To: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi Risto! I'm afraid you are mistaken wrt the powerbooks and performance - many pc laptops will match or even outperform pricy g5 stationaries when running Live, and I guess out-perform powerbooks by the flop-load - even cheap pc laptops will out-perform VERY expensive powerbooks running live4 or 5. For a very detailed tally of performance figures for live check here: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12375 - notice how far down you have to scroll to find a powerbook... -also, regarding stability, a good laptop is a good laptop, regardless of OS these days. I apologize if I'm ranting, but this is a very common misconception these days, what with the whole iPod worship going on ;-) It all comes down to whether you have to have the design and the OS of a mac - or whether you absolutely must run Logic7 next to live. ---by the way, very nice track! I dig the bass-line at 2:10 - what is that sound made from? Sounds a bit like manipulated flute or something. Best, Andreas Risto Paalanen wrote: > lately I've been trying out Ableton Live and have pretty much been > floored by it. [...] > So. I've been thinking about switching to an all-laptop setup. I'll > probably get a Powerbook, since the hefty pricetag does reflect on > stability and performance. Them's the breaks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 18:10:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A12FD3BF2E; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <42E284FE.7010703@post.cybercity.dk> References: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> <42E284FE.7010703@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A40002F-03E0-4F55-86A4-4A4889757F35@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:08:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:10:33 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 23, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Hi Risto! > I'm afraid you are mistaken wrt the powerbooks and performance - > many pc laptops will match or even outperform pricy Everything I've heard and read suggests that this is an Ableton issue, not a Mac issue. Mac users are pissed that Ableton hasn't optimized Live for use on the Mac platform, so performance suffers. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 18:29:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D2523BF46; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E28CA4.6090601@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:29:56 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. References: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> <42E284FE.7010703@post.cybercity.dk> <9A40002F-03E0-4F55-86A4-4A4889757F35@midway.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <9A40002F-03E0-4F55-86A4-4A4889757F35@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:29:59 +0000 (UTC) True - but the point is not whether Ableton is at fault here, I'm just stating that pcs - in this case - are a heck of a lot faster, and I suspect most benchmark tests performed on a powerbook and say an amd64 laptop will show just about the same thing. Andreas Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Jul 23, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > >> Hi Risto! >> I'm afraid you are mistaken wrt the powerbooks and performance - >> many pc laptops will match or even outperform pricy > > > Everything I've heard and read suggests that this is an Ableton > issue, not a Mac issue. Mac users are pissed that Ableton hasn't > optimized Live for use on the Mac platform, so performance suffers. > > Jeff > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 18:37:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D3BD3BF49; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:37:22 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001401c58fb5$9099ac90$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A13D@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <7641tD.A.qjD.p5o4CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:37:30 +0000 (UTC) This is late but anyway; thanks Per and to Kris for the EDP stereo sync parameters!! Great. Been busy but I`ll soon check my EDP settings to see how they correspond. T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) Torstein - Before I get to working on my FCB, I'll post the parameters that fixed my drift problems several months ago...haven't had any problems since then....I use the TSR cable connect the two units via Brother Sync, plus run MIDI out from one to the MIDI in of the other. Kris Parameter settings for both units, horizontal across the unit, left to right: Loops MoreLoops=2L AutoRecord=ON LoopCopy=OFF SwitchQuant=LOP LoopTrig#=84 Velocity=OFF SamplerStyle=RUN MIDI Channel=1 ControlSource=Ctr (FIRST CRITICAL SETTING, AS STATED IN MANUAL...could be "not" as well) Source#=36 VolumeCont=7 FeedBkCont=1 Dump=001 h Load=001 - Switches RecordMode=tOG OverdubMode=tOG RoundMode=OFF InsertMode=rEV MuteMode=StA Overflow=PLY Presets=Pr.E Timing Loop/Delay=LOP Quantize=OFF 8ths/Cycle=1 Sync=OUT (SECOND CRITICAL SETTING, AS STATED IN MANUAL) Threshold=0 (THIRD CRITICAL SETTING, NOT IN MANUAL...NEEDS TO BE SET TO 0) Reverse=[Shows No Setting] StartPoint=[Shows No Setting, but "1" at the first LED] -----Original Message----- From: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:thelgere@online.no] Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) To Kris an others with two EDP`s. While talking about syncing two EDP`s I``ll use the chance to ask about sync problems. Even when hooked up right I have problems. For each repeat of a loop the soundstage will drift over to one side more and more and getting out of phase. Next time (loop) it might drift over to the other side. More or less randomly. This has been discussed before, I believe. Someone installed some new clock(s) ? What to do about it? Both my EDP`s are from the same period (beige Gibson). Thanks! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartung, Kris" To: Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:39 PM Subject: RE: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) I'll give it a try. I was wondering, since my problem only occurs with both units, what about using my MIDI splitter to go from the FCB to the EDPs, rather than to one EDP and then MIDI out of that one to the next? I would still use the Brother Sync of course. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Troubleshooting my EDPs and FCB....Again (factory reset guidance) On Jul 10, 2005, at 11:57, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Before I start troubleshooting in detail, I thought I would try > resetting the FCB to factory state first. However, I am confused by > what the manual says about this. It shows three ways to perform a > factory > reset: V-AMP family products, BEHRINGER guitar amps, and BASS V-AMP > product range. Is there a particular reset option I should choose? No. Whatever reset you use you will have to empty the banks and put in new data for the EDP. When programming your FCB banks you must be aware of that the FCB can send multiple midi commands on every button press. In the FCB patch programming mode you have to disable everything except for what the EDP needs. Otherwise you will go nuts when trying to get it right ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 19:00:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E470F3BF44; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050723194147.02dacba0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:55:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: It's not Purple, it's Blue!(Sellon Chip) In-Reply-To: <20050723183730.8D1C63BF51@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050723183730.8D1C63BF51@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:00:20 +0000 (UTC) At 19:37 23/07/05, you wrote: >>Does that solve the JamMan Midi delay issues? > >I use it with a midi pedal (PMC 10) exclusively and there is no >noticeable MIDI delay. I first heard about this supposed JamMan midi >delay here on the list and asked Bob about it and he said the midi >delay is 5 ms or less. As far as I'm concerned this is one of those >"urban myths'' that keeps being circulated about the JamMan. :-) I think it stops being an urban myth when it's been confirmed by several reliable sources who all ended up using the standard footswitch instead of Midi. The question is not whether the delay ever existed, but whether there's any evidence that it's been fixed in the upgrade. Evidence (for me) would be that someone says they could notice the delay with the standard jamMan, but upgraded and then no longer noticed it. ...in any case, the Sellon Chip is highly desirable > Maybe the Midi delay is coming from the midi pedal being used, I > know the Yamaha midi pedal is notorious for it's delay. oh.. no... that's a myth it was that andy butler guy going on and on about it till people started to agree with him. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 19:11:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8489B3BF4F; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <192.446efae6.3013f044@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:11:00 EDT Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.446efae6.3013f044_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:11:06 +0000 (UTC) --part1_192.446efae6.3013f044_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R, In a message dated 7/23/05 6:50:47 AM, rtp@iki.fi writes: > http://www.taphead.net/kolminaisuus.mp3 >=20 Sorry, I can't help you with any of your tech questions. However, I do like your MP3 very much.=20 Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_192.446efae6.3013f044_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R,

In a message dated 7/23/05 6:50:47 AM, rtp@iki.fi writes:

http://www.taphead.ne= t/kolminaisuus.mp3

Sorry, I can't help you with any of your tech questions.
However, I do like your MP3 very much.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_192.446efae6.3013f044_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 19:26:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAC3B3BF4F; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: It's not Purple, it's Blue!(Sellon Chip) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:31:41 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000001c58fbd$27934140$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: <1GJUN.A._wE.Cop4CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:26:58 +0000 (UTC) > > Does that solve the JamMan Midi delay issues? > > Does it solve the JamMan problem of clicks at the loop > start/end when > > overdubbing while Midi syncing? > > > > I use it with a midi pedal (PMC 10) exclusively and there is no > noticeable MIDI delay. I first heard about this supposed JamMan midi > delay here on the list and asked Bob about it and he said the midi > delay is 5 ms or less. As far as I'm concerned this is one of those > "urban myths'' that keeps being circulated about the JamMan. > Maybe the > Midi delay is coming from the midi pedal being used, I know > the Yamaha > midi pedal is notorious for it's delay. > > If the JamMan is the master clock there are no clicks but if is the > midi slave there are clicks. I use my JamMan as the master clock and > sync my Echoplex and Repeater to it and it works great! When a JamMan was my main looper, I'd be syncing it *to* MIDI clock but always would record silence into a complete loop and then bring up the input to start recording (overdubbing actually) the loop(s). An extra step but it worked well. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 20:11:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15E973BF53; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> References: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1E8B3863-8D94-4D7E-B93F-CE6A5E548DA3@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:11:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:11:18 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 23, 2005, at 15:50, Risto Paalanen wrote: > > I would prefer not having an amp at all and just settle for running > the guitar signal through a DI into a laptop running a modelling > amplifier / Ableton Live, controlled with the FCB1010 and possibly > a BCR2000 as MIDI controllers. Would any of you folks have > experiences with software-amps? I tried NI's guitar rack and completely hated it. I also got NI's Guitar Combos and liked it better. But it's still too much for a Powerbook if you plan to also run Ableton Live with some plug-ins. Regarding software amps I like Guitar Combos just as much as I like Guitar Amp Pro in Logic. They are usable but not fun to play. I prefer to fade in notes with the guitars volume know and this is impossible with all software amps. BTW I think that the Nomad guitar software sounds best of the few I mentioned here. But that's about all I have tried so far. As Andreas pointed out a Powerbook is not very efficient with Live's recent code and given Apple future move to Intel processors Ableton will probably not work on optimizing the code for the almost obsolete CPU situation in todays Powerbooks. I bought a Powerbook one and a half year ago mostly because of Logic that I use for both fun and for pro work. For Live an XP lappy will give much more processing power. They are also known to be better with NI Reaktor (I have not gotten into Reaktor but many like it for guitar - Trent Reznor to name one well known dist icon) Myself I now play guitar with a TC FireworX effect processor as "guitar pre amp". It's miles away form any "rectifier sound" that is typically adored by many guitar players. But I must say that I'm very happy with the Fireworx sound. But the pre-set sounds were all crap. I had to put many days into programming sounds that felt playable and now I have eight or ten patches that are ok. When looping such an effect processor is a very good tool because you can change your sound in a snap before it goes into the recording looper devices. Personally I would value an effect processor (like the FireworX or and Eclipse) more than a amp modeling box or software. Well, I guess what I'm trying to get at is the fact that all these boxes and software amps are not the same instrument as a real tube amp with a cabinet. I own a 60 w Sovtek amp that is a joy to play and compared to the DI and software stuff it feels as different to me as the difference between playing flute and sax. Not that one is better than the other, they are just different instruments. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 21:12:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DE193BF37; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ltrLLGBg6prnW1osa1JlXKRFXwJX18lbaQ8mXbGnPe6qLn8WA9f/w23WtK57T+jWj9ZBE8Wy02geJy66QcXSYyS+Qel6IjpSytjVthlQf+wrXS/t2cAuZPw6teE2o+1x0BslS8xQELgvaAxH8oce+veKCBAEnrXez1sEArQtgtY= ; Message-ID: <20050723211224.13696.qmail@web34009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 14:12:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Lothus Subject: LOTHUS : Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!! 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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-291262699-1122153144=:13502-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 22:34:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 441FC3BF45; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E2C60D.6010904@iki.fi> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:34:53 +0300 From: Risto Paalanen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB927@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB927@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi again, and thanks for the input, all. Based on the comments thus far it seems I may be heading down the Tonelab SE route, regarding amp selection. I'd thought that might be the case. (Oh, my current Pod Pro is the original model, so I'm sure the XT version is more advanced.) I'm currently trying the NI Guitar Rig out, and it does indeed seem to be fun rather than... musical, I suppose. Some people on Harmony Central seem to complain about the Tonelab's lack of (I assume) Rectifier sound-alike high gain models, but that wouldn't really be a problem for me. At least with Älymystö the rest of the soundscape tends to have all the distortion we need, so I like to sneak in with clean and/or strange ringmodish sounds. A lot of bands -- especially in the heavier end of the musical spectrum -- seem to have the impression that more is better, but I usually try to play as little as possible to get the effect, contrast and dialogue I'm looking for. That's my jazz influece showing, I guess. As far as the laptop pick is concerned, I'll have to reconsider the PC option. Thanks for the heads-up. (And I hope I didn't accidentally spark another PC vs. Mac debate. :)) Thankyou's, R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 22:55:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 605C63BF32; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <42E2CAAF.3060307@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:54:39 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. References: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> <1E8B3863-8D94-4D7E-B93F-CE6A5E548DA3@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <1E8B3863-8D94-4D7E-B93F-CE6A5E548DA3@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > I prefer to fade in notes with the guitars volume know and this is > impossible with all software amps. ? sorry Per, what do you mean with this ? luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 23:10:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 352093BF3B; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:10:18 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB92B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Thread-Index: AcWP1sN6RMAkWQd8SmqBykf4FKrqgQAAU9Mg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2005 23:10:20.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[B291DA40:01C58FDB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:10:23 +0000 (UTC) > A lot of bands -- especially in the heavier end of the musical spectrum -- seem to have the impression that more is better, but I usually try to play as little as possible to get the effect, contrast and dialogue I'm looking for. That's my jazz influece showing, I guess. Although, having lurked around on the jazz news and discussion groups for for the last 10 years, I think jazz guitarists are the pickiest SOBs around when it comes to tone....seriously, I've never seen so many threads on the topic of tone, the definition of "clean" (for which there doesn't seem to be a single agreed upon one), and how to get it with different configurations of speakers, wattage, amps, types of guitars, etc. The best tone I ever had for jazz was my big Epiphone Emperor Regent hollow-body through two original Polytone amps...not the new ones, but the original black waffle-grill versions. I had three Polytones...the 2X12 George Benson model, the 1X15 Mega Brute, and the 1X10 Teeny Brute. Selling my Teeny Brute was the biggest mistake I EVER made! I cringe every time I think of doing that. That thing was like a 12 inch cube, 90 watts, and clean as hell. I love those little Polytones...one day I'll get a few Teeny Brutes back in my gear pile, but these days they run about $400 US for a used one in good shape. My ideal recipe for tone ended up being a the use of 1X12 200 watt EV speakers (original OEM versions...not the force series) in sealed and front ported cabs, solid-state preamp, and tube poweramp. I'd be happy if I could find a box or VST plugin that emulated that! I'm also fairly content w/ the clean amp simulations on my Boss VF-1 right now.....and half the time, I like the tone of my PRS McCartey archtop so much that I can plug directly into the mixer board and right out into the PA, and the tone is beautiful. My opinion and preference is to let the natural tone of a fine jazz box do the work, and then build on that. I feel it is the crap in, crap out syndrome when one starts w/ the sterile & lifeless tone of a solid body guitar, and then try to fix it with tone simulation effects. The Polytones were great at not butchering the tone of a decent jazz hollowbody guitar, as thy had a relatively flat frequency response. Just my ideal cup of tea. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 23:21:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18B963BF49; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E2D107.9010306@iki.fi> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 02:21:43 +0300 From: Risto Paalanen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB92B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB92B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Hartung, Kris wrote: > Although, having lurked around on the jazz news and discussion groups > for for the last 10 years, I think jazz guitarists are the pickiest > SOBs around when it comes to tone.... Heh heh, I though I should have expanded on my original comment. My personal jazz influence has more to do with the thinking than the playing, so I'm more interested in tension and release as well as improv as a compositional tool than, say, getting a certain sound down pat. :) (Which is not to be taken as a slight against musicians picky about their tone, of course, and goodness knows I've spent my share of time turning the knobs on amps. It often does bring me down, though. After a while I feel the emphasis on a perfect tone is keeping me from just _playing_, and utilizing whichever sound I have at the moment.) [Oh, the inevitable namedropping: I'm currently digging the fretwork of Raoul Björkenheim, Sonny Sharrock and Marc Ducret.] Cheers, R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 23 23:38:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 932E53BF44; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C58FDF.8B41A029" Subject: RE: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:37:51 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB92C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Thread-Index: AcWP3UtC03wI4vDVSSGbOQ49Aq3WQwAALI1g From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2005 23:37:53.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B93B7C0:01C58FDF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:38:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58FDF.8B41A029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Heh heh, I though I should have expanded on my original comment. My personal jazz influence has more to do with the thinking than the playing, so I'm more interested in tension and release as well as improv as a compositional tool than, say, getting a certain sound down pat. :) I'm with you here too. That type of thinking, more playing, is what gives me more pleasure than anything else in music these days...inside, outside, inside, outside, tension, release, tension release...yank the emotions back and forth, back and forth....after a while you start loosening up the nuts and bolts of the mind until that's all you can listen to. :) =20 Kris | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | * Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtu ng Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites: http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm Music & Video Catalogue: http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm 73 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format: http://www.boisemusicians.com/mp3.htm Reviews: http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm ------_=_NextPart_001_01C58FDF.8B41A029 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions.

 > Heh = heh, I though I should have expanded on my original comment. My personal = jazz influence has more to do with the thinking than the playing, so I'm = more interested in tension and release as well as improv as a = compositional tool than, say, getting a certain sound down pat. = :)

I'm with you here = too. That type of thinking, more playing, is what gives me more pleasure = than anything else in music these days...inside, outside, inside, = outside, tension, release, tension release...yank the emotions back and = forth, back and forth....after a while you start loosening up the nuts = and bolts of the mind until that's all you can listen to. :)  =

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C58FDF.8B41A029-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 00:32:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F27CA3BF56; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,137,1120449600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1336993653:sNHT20697008" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <1E8B3863-8D94-4D7E-B93F-CE6A5E548DA3@boysen.se> References: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> <1E8B3863-8D94-4D7E-B93F-CE6A5E548DA3@boysen.se> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--23462366 Message-Id: <39A1CBCD-12A5-46F6-A938-BFDF63957028@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:32:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:32:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--23462366 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jul 23, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I prefer to fade in notes with the guitars volume know and this is > impossible with all software amps. Watch this video: http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Content/Waves/PR/GTR.html dc --Apple-Mail-1--23462366 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jul 23, 2005, = at 1:11 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

=A0I prefer to fade in notes with = the guitars volume know and this is impossible with all software = amps.


Watch this = video:
http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Content/Waves/PR/GTR.html
dc

= --Apple-Mail-1--23462366-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 01:05:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42F803BF55; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050723175724.048094f8@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:05:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: vst plugin reviewers needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi- is anybody interested in being a semi-official reviewer for VST looping plugins for the Looper's Delight web site? Various companies offer me review copies of their software, but I don't have time to do anything with them. I need somebody to help out! If you are interested, please be somebody with a strong background in looping and a familiarity with various looping products, so you can make knowledgeable judgements and comments. You should also have an appropriate setup and familiarity with vst plugins so you can comment on the compatibility and practical usage in working environments as well. Please contact me off list, thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 01:46:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC4503BF42; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: The PiNG presents... Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:51:40 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000101c58ff2$3c01dda0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A146@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:46:59 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:09 PM > To: scott@dreamstate.to; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: The PiNG presents Io with General Chaos Visuals > > > Is this open to musicians only from Toronto? I think I > emailed someone > from Ambient Ping last year, and they said they were considering or > preparing to allow performances from musicians from other countries. > > Kris Hi Kris, Sorry for my late reply. I can be slooow... The PiNG is very open to appropriate performers from other cities and countries. The problem is that we don't look after gov. paperwork and fees for the border crossing, so artists are on their own for getting here. Many wonderful artists do visit from the States despite that hurdle. I've been surprised that I don't get more enquires from ambient/experimental loopers on this list - especially with regard to the Planet Of The Loops series. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 08:02:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9015D3BF43; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PhjLsTEGIjAifF0jybA6XDXlEOgV+COmgo2Ojo1Npi3KU4CetmomfsKWi8ony736EW/x7Lq2iL6MBmebVS1gePHKNUc1QboJyepMx88bLum4x+rnxeLu4gOlYt8Y2By/H0I9lPOwZLsdx5DEcWoVy1lvAcAVyadkSforap+m8p0= ; Message-ID: <20050724080158.92136.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:01:58 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:02:01 +0000 (UTC) --- Risto Paalanen wrote: > > 1) Pod Pro is a versatile box, but unfortunately a > bit too sterile for > my taste. I'd like to use something that responds > more to the changes in > style of play, preferably without lugging my trusty > Rivera around. I'm really enjoying my Boss GT-8. John ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 09:44:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5DD73BF49; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42E2CAAF.3060307@unguitar.com> References: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> <1E8B3863-8D94-4D7E-B93F-CE6A5E548DA3@boysen.se> <42E2CAAF.3060307@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:44:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <6WkwMB.A.jcG.mL24CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:44:06 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 24, 2005, at 0:54, Luca Formentini wrote: > > Per Boysen wrote: >> I prefer to fade in notes with the guitars volume know and this =20 >> is impossible with all software amps. > > ? > sorry Per, what do you mean with this ? > luca Oh, sorry. I should have explained that better. I meant that the fade =20= in volume envelop becomes extremely steep. When playing on a regular =20 amp (or some Pod settings) I can hear my guitar tone even on guitar =20 volume knob level 2 to 3. Then it fades in equally up to the highest =20 guitar output at 10. With all software amp simulators I have tested I =20= can hear almost nothing from my guitar pickups between guitar volume =20 knob setting 1 to 9. Then somewhere between 9 and 10 the full shred =20 kicks in. My way of dealing with this problem is to learn to use a volume foot =20 pedal instead. But this gives a different sound no matter how I try =20 to make it sound like I'm "knob swelling" the note attacks. Since I started to play with the TC electronics FireworX (without =20 using any pre-amp for my low output single coil guitar pick-ups) I =20 found that the same fading in problem applies to this unit as well. =20 So I seem to have reached my undeniable Volume Foot Pedal Karma this =20 year. A very experienced Swedish guitarist friend, G=F6ran Flood (I =20 think he may be on this list from time to time) explained to me that, =20= regarding the FireworX, this may be an input gain issue. He =20 recommended to buy a device called "xotic rc booster" to get up the =20 strat output level. I don't know, but in a way this makes sense =20 because I have really been working hard on my FireworX patches to =20 bring the level up. My patches are double the volume compared to the =20 pre-sets it ships with. The manufacturer probably expects people to =20 use a Pod or similar for input. Anyway, with a booster I may be able =20 to get back at my knob swelling ;-) I don't think I will get a =20 booster, though, because this input gain setting makes it possible to =20= have my strat and alto traverse flute mic connected simultaneously =20 connected to the two inputs. Now I will only have to learn how to =20 play them at the same time ;-)) Any hints? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 10:19:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 702573BF43; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42E2C60D.6010904@iki.fi> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB927@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <42E2C60D.6010904@iki.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Lappy (was: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions.) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:19:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:19:45 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 24, 2005, at 0:34, Risto Paalanen wrote: > reconsider the PC option. Risto, Since I'm using a powerbook myself I think I should just post why I picked that one instead of an equal pc laptop that would give more processing power. It was just because I don't plan to use very much processing power live (I do have a G5 for studio work). I plan to record my live playing as audio chunks and manipulate them, witch is not as CPU demanding. And I plan to use a lot of software cross connections, side chains and nifty tricks to control the plug-ins from external MIDI and have plug-ins being controlled by each other as well as by random scripts controlled by me as I play. And the answer to that was OS X with its built in support for streaming of both MIDI and audio within the computers operating system, between open applications. No need for Hubi's Loopback and those similar third party add-ons I used on the pc. And when I looked at prices I found that a pc lappy that equals a powerbook in build quality (for example the sony vaio) was just as expensive. I must say I'm very happy with the 1,25 mHz powerbook I have (2 GB RAM). I'm looping mostly in the plug-in Augustus Loop (AU only for OS X) together with recording loops on one track in Ableton Live 5. This equals using two stereo looping devices and is as much as I can handle in an improvising live situation. I can build up stuff in Augustus, by layering with carefully controlling loop feedback from a MIDI pedal, and dump it into a loop on the Live 5 track and then start building new stuff in Augustus. Both Augustus' loop (playing completely in RAM) and the Live 5 loops (recorded to the hard drive) can also be pitch transformed by foot pedals (this is new in Live 5, but it does only work by external MIDI control for the selected track. So as long as you keep that track selected you can re-pitch all recorded loops). While Augustus does not time stretch to keep loop length intact during pitch transformation Live 5 does this. I find that a very good combination, equalling the classic combo EDP/ Repeater. At least for my needs. But if buying a lappy right now I might look into a super cheap one like Acer or Toshiba, just to get the horsepower running for two years (if they do not crap out before that) until maybe a better alternative will be the new powerbooks that run Intel processors. I'm really into the way OS X lets you look at software as an open system, similar to sitting in a traditional studio with a bin of effect pedals and a huge patch bay to set up whatever crazy sound design idea you dream up (most sound bad or do not work IRL, but it's fun and you learn by making mistakes). A pc lappy with Live 5 and the VST plug-in Lexicon PSP42 would be nice too. A tip on buying a powerbook - or any lappy - for audio application is to get it with the full RAM stuffed inside. Please remember that when calculating the prices. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 10:52:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E53613BF47; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <39A1CBCD-12A5-46F6-A938-BFDF63957028@earthlink.net> References: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> <1E8B3863-8D94-4D7E-B93F-CE6A5E548DA3@boysen.se> <39A1CBCD-12A5-46F6-A938-BFDF63957028@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <053B67B9-A23B-4FA7-8C80-9D4D744BC0F4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Waves TR/GTR (was: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions.) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:52:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:52:24 +0000 (UTC) > On Jul 23, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> I prefer to fade in notes with the guitars volume know and this >> is impossible with all software amps. > On Jul 24, 2005, at 2:32, David Coffin wrote: > Watch this video: > http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Content/Waves/PR/GTR.html > dc Dammit, this product is a winner! Cant wait to try it out. I just wonder about the cpu demands? Running the Waves/GTR and looping the output into true looping software must be a lot of fun! And the sync option for effects are nice, that's what I'm doing now with an external FireworX, MIDI clock syncing its effects to the loops tempo. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 11:14:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24C403BF29; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 05:14:15 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB933@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Thread-Index: AcWQND7vBpeAnuf9T4yB9xcdqssYiQADENwA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2005 11:14:17.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4C23050:01C59040] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Per, have you tried the Ernie Ball volume pedal? I use it primarily = because, number one is is built like a tank, and two it has a very wide = sweep control with the foot, unlike the feel on, let's say, a Roland EV5 = expression pedal. That's how I get my volume swells, keyboard/organ = emulations, etc. I like the control and spartan design of the pedal. Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. On Jul 24, 2005, at 0:54, Luca Formentini wrote: > > Per Boysen wrote: >> I prefer to fade in notes with the guitars volume know and this is =20 >> impossible with all software amps. > > ? > sorry Per, what do you mean with this ? > luca Oh, sorry. I should have explained that better. I meant that the fade in = volume envelop becomes extremely steep. When playing on a regular amp = (or some Pod settings) I can hear my guitar tone even on guitar volume = knob level 2 to 3. Then it fades in equally up to the highest guitar = output at 10. With all software amp simulators I have tested I can hear = almost nothing from my guitar pickups between guitar volume knob setting = 1 to 9. Then somewhere between 9 and 10 the full shred kicks in. My way of dealing with this problem is to learn to use a volume foot = pedal instead. But this gives a different sound no matter how I try to = make it sound like I'm "knob swelling" the note attacks. Since I started to play with the TC electronics FireworX (without using = any pre-amp for my low output single coil guitar pick-ups) I found that = the same fading in problem applies to this unit as well. =20 So I seem to have reached my undeniable Volume Foot Pedal Karma this = year. A very experienced Swedish guitarist friend, G=F6ran Flood (I = think he may be on this list from time to time) explained to me that, = regarding the FireworX, this may be an input gain issue. He recommended = to buy a device called "xotic rc booster" to get up the strat output = level. I don't know, but in a way this makes sense because I have really = been working hard on my FireworX patches to bring the level up. My = patches are double the volume compared to the pre-sets it ships with. = The manufacturer probably expects people to use a Pod or similar for = input. Anyway, with a booster I may be able to get back at my knob = swelling ;-) I don't think I will get a booster, though, because this = input gain setting makes it possible to have my strat and alto traverse = flute mic connected simultaneously connected to the two inputs. Now I = will only have to learn how to =20 play them at the same time ;-)) Any hints? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 11:30:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 098903BF46; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB933@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB933@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:30:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:30:37 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 24, 2005, at 13:14, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Per, have you tried the Ernie Ball volume pedal? I use it primarily > because, number one is is built like a tank, and two it has a very > wide sweep control with the foot, unlike the feel on, let's say, a > Roland EV5 expression pedal. That's how I get my volume swells, > keyboard/organ emulations, etc. I like the control and spartan > design of the pedal. > > Kris Thanks for the tip. No, I have not tried them. For analog tone attack swelling I do prefer the strats' volume knob. The volume pedal I have to use now when looping is not analog, it uses MIDI to address a volume block in my FireworX. However, for some patches this is actually quite good - compared to analog swelling (pedal or knob) happening before the rack input - because I can decide on where in the fx process chain I want to place that volume block (inside the fireworX). My second aversion for using a volume pedal is also strictly personal; I don't like to play in a sitting position. You have to sit down to be able to adjust volume with one foot while adjusting looping parameters with the other foot. With the guitar knob I can adjust volume at the same time that I'm both playing and adjusting looping parameters with one foot (balancing on the other foot... he, he. yes, this is fun). Playing guitar with a bow is very difficult when sitting down. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 13:37:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81CBD3BF45; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DsMdgs1opBlP3kxbAZQxok9ZxGFGmYhM41aa87sUX6QL189hoU6udcZCGshK5DEabdnid+Ewn8tJEL3JjGPlsevNXzcq0UBaJ6X61Wa32FVNTTgdv2ssa/kgkMyK2pZqiVAnees9Trr72NB5EPc2LQ06lwzeV7Y+y3wJmU5Ttm4= ; Message-ID: <20050724133726.17024.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 06:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <013301c58f71$5fe1ff10$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bernhard, thanx for your info! question on this quote: What I dislike about the DD-5 is when you kick it into bypass mode, it continues echoing the old delay buffer content till it dies out. It doesn't stop immediately. The only situation I would like this kind of behaviour would be if I want my last lick to echo out while I continue playing something on top without that being echoed. This in turn is much better achieved by a special wiring of your effect gear... how could i wire my effects to acomplish that? (this is the way my pedalboard runs: chorus-mojovibe-tremolo-ts-9-prescription electronics fuzz-dd-3-dl4) thanx! Luis --- loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > Hi Luis > > I have a description of the gear here: > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/gear.html > > Additionally, I used a Boss DD-6, borrowed from a > friend, to demonstrate > that you can loop also with stomp boxes, albeit very > limited: 5 seconds and > no feedback control. > > The slide #18 of the talk shows the signal path: > http://loopfestival.com/talks/0507.pdf > > Thanks for your interest! > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > http://loopfestival.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Samstag, 23. Juli 2005 08:06 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th > documented > > > > Grüezi Bernhard, > > i am curious > > what pedals do you have there down there? > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > --- Fabio Anile wrote: > > > > > ..funny that Bernhard's "looping guitar".... > > > > > > Fabio > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:10 AM > > > Subject: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th > > > documented > > > > > > > > > Hi there > > > > > > Last Wednesday, July 13th, there was a promo > event > > > for the upcoming > > > Loopfestival Zürich. There was a great audience > of > > > around 50 attendants > > > including Matthias Grob and Bruno Spoerri. Many > > > thanks to the hosts > > > digitaler salon and walcheturm! > > > Go to http://loopfestival.com/ds05, scroll down > and > > > click on "Photos" and > > > "Slides" for more information (and the sight of > an > > > y2k4 shirt recently > > > discussed in this forum ;) ). > > > > > > Thanx > > > Bernhard > > > http://nosuch.biz > > > http://loopfestival.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 14:16:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C08E3BF29; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: RE: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:15:45 +0200 Message-ID: <01d101c5905a$323aae10$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <20050724133726.17024.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD,NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Uhm... it's some time ago ... I think I meant achieving this with a mixing console, so you would = connect the input of the DD-5 to the AUX SEND and its output to the AUX RECEIVE = and connect the AUX output to the input of another free channel. Then you = would normally open up the AUX on the guitar channel of your mixer and when = you want the echo to die out while continuing to play, you'd turn off the = AUX on the guitar channel. You could also split the guitar signal and connect output A directly to = a mixer channel and output B via the DD-3 to another channel. When you = want the echo to die out without receiving new input, you'd interrupt the = input of the DD-3 with a pop-free audio switch (e.g. http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/AB-2/), or if your splitter allows = to mute selective outputs, mute the DD-3 input. But since I don't own a mixer or a splitter (to keep the rig lean and = mean), there are much more competent people on this list who know exactly how = to achieve this... Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 24. Juli 2005 15:37 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented >=20 > Hi Bernhard, > thanx for your info! > question on this quote: > What I dislike about the DD-5 is when you kick it into > bypass mode, it continues echoing the old delay buffer > content till it dies out. It doesn't stop immediately. > The only situation I would like this kind of behaviour > would be if I want my last lick to echo out while I > continue playing something on top without that being > echoed. This in turn is much better achieved by a > special wiring of your effect gear... >=20 > how could i wire my effects to acomplish that? > (this is the way my pedalboard runs: > chorus-mojovibe-tremolo-ts-9-prescription electronics > fuzz-dd-3-dl4) > thanx! > Luis >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: >=20 > > Hi Luis > > > > I have a description of the gear here: > > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/gear.html > > > > Additionally, I used a Boss DD-6, borrowed from a > > friend, to demonstrate > > that you can loop also with stomp boxes, albeit very > > limited: 5 seconds and > > no feedback control. > > > > The slide #18 of the talk shows the signal path: > > http://loopfestival.com/talks/0507.pdf > > > > Thanks for your interest! > > Bernhard > > http://nosuch.biz > > http://loopfestival.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Samstag, 23. Juli 2005 08:06 > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th > > documented > > > > > > Gr=FCezi Bernhard, > > > i am curious > > > what pedals do you have there down there? > > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Fabio Anile wrote: > > > > > > > ..funny that Bernhard's "looping guitar".... > > > > > > > > Fabio > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:10 AM > > > > Subject: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th > > > > documented > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there > > > > > > > > Last Wednesday, July 13th, there was a promo > > event > > > > for the upcoming > > > > Loopfestival Z=FCrich. There was a great audience > > of > > > > around 50 attendants > > > > including Matthias Grob and Bruno Spoerri. Many > > > > thanks to the hosts > > > > digitaler salon and walcheturm! > > > > Go to http://loopfestival.com/ds05, scroll down > > and > > > > click on "Photos" and > > > > "Slides" for more information (and the sight of > > an > > > > y2k4 shirt recently > > > > discussed in this forum ;) ). > > > > > > > > Thanx > > > > Bernhard > > > > http://nosuch.biz > > > > http://loopfestival.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > >=20 >=20 > www.luis-angulo.com >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 14:53:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 648E13BF28; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <053B67B9-A23B-4FA7-8C80-9D4D744BC0F4@boysen.se> References: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> <1E8B3863-8D94-4D7E-B93F-CE6A5E548DA3@boysen.se> <39A1CBCD-12A5-46F6-A938-BFDF63957028@earthlink.net> <053B67B9-A23B-4FA7-8C80-9D4D744BC0F4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Waves TR/GTR (was: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions.) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:50:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:53:01 +0000 (UTC) > > Dammit, this product is a winner! I agree. It certainly sounds pretty good, insofar as one can judge these things based on a video clip like that, of course. I do think the guy is full of it when he says the Waves GTR software will replace their studio amps--unless, of course, they have crappy amps! That (to me, at least) sounded like an insincere comment and a shameless sales pitch for the product. Nonetheless, the Waves/GTR software did sound pretty good, and I'd certainly look into it for direct recording when blasting tube amps isn't an option. Effects sounded pretty nice, too, I must say. I had a Pod XT Pro for a short time, and I thought it sounded like shit. This software has a much better sound, from what I can tell. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 18:40:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8818F3BF56; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1fa.d1a022c.30153a85@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:40:05 EDT Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1fa.d1a022c.30153a85_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:40:11 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1fa.d1a022c.30153a85_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per, Kris, I concure. I used a variety of volume pedals during the '80s but switched to the Ernie Ball volume pedal in the 90s and have been happ with it ever since. Like Kris says, it's built like a tank. !'ve had the same one=20 for nearly 15 years and havent had to even change the potentiometer=20 (the one thing that sometimes goes bad on 'em) yet. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn In a message dated 7/24/05 4:14:57 AM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes: > Per, have you tried the Ernie Ball volume pedal? I use it primarily=20 > because, number one is is built like a tank, and two it has a very wide sw= eep=20 > control with the foot, unlike the feel on, let's say, a Roland EV5 express= ion=20 > pedal. That's how I get my volume swells, keyboard/organ emulations, etc.=20= I like=20 > the control and spartan design of the pedal. >=20 "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > --part1_1fa.d1a022c.30153a85_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per, Kris,

I concure. I used a variety of volume pedals during the '80s but switched to the Ernie Ball volume pedal in the 90s and have been happ with it
ever since. Like Kris says, it's built like a tank. !'ve had the same one for nearly 15 years and havent had to even change the potentiometer
(the one thing that sometimes goes bad on 'em) yet.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

In a message dated 7/24/05 4:14:57 AM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes:

Per, have you tried t= he Ernie Ball volume pedal? I use it primarily because, number one is is bui= lt like a tank, and two it has a very wide sweep control with the foot, unli= ke the feel on, let's say, a Roland EV5 expression pedal. That's how I get m= y volume swells, keyboard/organ emulations, etc. I like the control and spar= tan design of the pedal.

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
--part1_1fa.d1a022c.30153a85_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 18:55:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB0AC3BF58; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59081.51002902" Subject: RE: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:55:52 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB963@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Thread-Index: AcWQfyMmP5aVnsJdRTm/umJ7pYrX/gAAS0vw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2005 18:55:54.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[516435F0:01C59081] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:55:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59081.51002902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess Ernie Ball didn't consider planned obsolescence on those units! :) I forgot, they make a stereo volume pedal too, which also functions as a panner. I sold mine because I already had too many pedals on the floor, but I suppose there are some interesting applications of that unit. I've done weird things with volume pedals in the past, like putting a stereo volume pedal in between the last effect unit in the signal chain and the power amp...then off to the speakers. That eliminates the gain loss when you place the volume pedal after the guitar and before your first unit in the signal chain - which has a similar gain decrease effect as the guitar's volume pot...that is useful too, especially if you are using a lot of distortion and you want to clean it up to a half dirty, half clean tone. =20 Check this out http://www.ernieball.com/site/content/products_frame_pedals.php See the 25K pedal? Interesting. And look at the cute little junior models...awhhhh. =20 =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Per, Kris, I concure. I used a variety of volume pedals during the '80s but switched to the Ernie Ball volume pedal in the 90s and have been happ with it ever since. Like Kris says, it's built like a tank. !'ve had the same one=20 for nearly 15 years and havent had to even change the potentiometer=20 (the one thing that sometimes goes bad on 'em) yet. Best regards, tEd (r) kiLLiAn In a message dated 7/24/05 4:14:57 AM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes: Per, have you tried the Ernie Ball volume pedal? I use it primarily because, number one is is built like a tank, and two it has a very wide sweep control with the foot, unlike the feel on, let's say, a Roland EV5 expression pedal. That's how I get my volume swells, keyboard/organ emulations, etc. I like the control and spartan design of the pedal. =09 "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59081.51002902 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I guess Ernie Ball didn't consider planned = obsolescence on=20 those units!  :)   I forgot, they make a stereo volume = pedal too,=20 which also functions as a panner. I sold mine because I already had too = many=20 pedals on the floor, but I suppose there are some interesting = applications of=20 that unit. I've done weird things with volume pedals in the past, like = putting a=20 stereo volume pedal in between the last effect unit in the signal chain = and the=20 power amp...then off to the speakers. That eliminates the gain loss when = you=20 place the volume pedal after the guitar and before your first unit in = the signal=20 chain - which has a similar gain decrease effect as the guitar's volume=20 pot...that is useful too, especially if you are using a lot of = distortion and=20 you want to clean it up to a half dirty, half clean = tone.
 
Check this out  = http://www.ernieball.com/site/content/products_frame_pedals.php = =20 See the 25K pedal? Interesting. And look at the cute little junior=20 models...awhhhh.
 
 
Kris
 

From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:40 = PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re:=20 Delurk, intro and a couple of questions.

Per, Kris,

I concure. I used a variety of = volume=20 pedals during the '80s but switched
to the Ernie Ball volume pedal in = the 90s=20 and have been happ with it
ever since. Like Kris says, it's built = like a=20 tank. !'ve had the same one
for nearly 15 years and havent had to = even=20 change the potentiometer
(the one thing that sometimes goes bad on = 'em)=20 yet.

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

In a message dated 7/24/05 4:14:57 AM,=20 kris.hartung@hp.com writes:

Per, have you tried the Ernie Ball volume pedal? = I use it=20 primarily because, number one is is built like a tank, and two it has = a very=20 wide sweep control with the foot, unlike the feel on, let's say, a = Roland EV5=20 expression pedal. That's how I get my volume swells, keyboard/organ=20 emulations, etc. I like the control and spartan design of the=20 pedal.

"Different is not always better, but better is = always=20 different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
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Ted Killian's = "Flux Aeterna"=20 is also available at: Apple iTunes,
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and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah.=20 So???
 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59081.51002902-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 19:02:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E209B3BF5A; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050724195105.02d850f0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:57:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Per & guitar vol swells In-Reply-To: <20050724141606.83D623BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050724141606.83D623BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:02:40 +0000 (UTC) >With all software amp simulators I have tested I >can hear almost nothing from my guitar pickups between guitar volume >knob setting 1 to 9. Then somewhere between 9 and 10 the full shred >kicks in. I expect that's caused by the lower impedance of whatever you're plugging the guitar into. The software wouldn't be able to do that. Solve by plugging into a high impedance input, such as a dedicated instrument socket. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 19:26:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 429463BF52; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fCkgULBeaGyPyEbpvDWs/qMyUgswyies8pDoo4uk1zr97XE91204k/hk/Lx3PMrfkcGJwwZPtsPKhZ9qHI5XiAJ0OTuRC386YKA4pAwldGpNVe3Ebss93rE76JEenngcSWrIA9oFSsf+HIbF7eRytSfekK4Ii7ul2tUz+w+0RUs= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205072412266dc6f616@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:26:07 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elecetrix Repeater mk II In-Reply-To: <20050722130243-2680162145@71.96.234.197> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050722103743-1932159808@arsenic.violacea.com> <20050722130243-2680162145@71.96.234.197> Resent-Message-ID: <4rEDwC.A.BBC.Qt-4CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:26:09 +0000 (UTC) > > Anyone heard any news about release date? I may have to order a Digi > > jamman to tie me over. I have this terrible feeling of deja vu -- didn't we do this whole loop a few years ago (sans Mk II?) > No, no. Order the super discounted flawed Rang. ;) I have this terrible feeling of deja vu -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 19:30:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F24D03BF5A; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E3EC79.9040806@biink.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:31:05 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "davidtorn@yahoogroups.com" , Ohmbient list , the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com Subject: NYC: looping gig on Aug. 1, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Hey folks, I have a ambient looping gig on Aug. 1, 2005: http://www.hhproduction.org/Claire_events.html photos from last year: http://biink.com/db/photos5.htm http://biink.com/db/photos6.htm -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 19:30:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20D8B3BF5E; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:31:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB963@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3205053092_188077_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <5eYr3C.A.IQC.vx-4CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:30:56 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3205053092_188077_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable here is how i have eliminated any degredation of my guitar signal and varying the volume @ the same time. it took me forever to figure it out(thanks to JimThomas of the MERMEN!)-i use that aforementioned EB 25K pedal . that is, between th= e pre amp and power amp. once you have brought that low voltage guitar signal up to pre amp(line) level...you can manipulate the signal every which way. but 1st you have to get that signal boosted by the pre-that way you will always have a way beefee signal-even w/ volume pedal wanking...course i hav= e always used guitar tube amps for my guitar tones-so that makes a differenc= e too. varying an already weak voltage guitar volume is asking for signal strength trouble... imho fwiw staninsanfran I guess Ernie Ball didn't consider planned obsolescence on those units! :) I forgot, they make a stereo volume pedal too, which also functions as a panner. I sold mine because I already had too many pedals on the floor, but I suppose there are some interesting applications of that unit. I've done weird things with volume pedals in the past, like putting a stereo volume pedal in between the last effect unit in the signal chain and the power amp...then off to the speakers. That eliminates the gain loss when you plac= e the volume pedal after the guitar and before your first unit in the signal chain - which has a similar gain decrease effect as the guitar's volume pot...that is useful too, especially if you are using a lot of distortion and you want to clean it up to a half dirty, half clean tone. =20 Check this out =20 http://www.ernieball.com/site/content/products_frame_pedals.php See the 25= K pedal? Interesting. And look at the cute little junior models...awhhhh. =20 Kris =20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Per, Kris, I concure. I used a variety of volume pedals during the '80s but switched to the Ernie Ball volume pedal in the 90s and have been happ with it ever since. Like Kris says, it's built like a tank. !'ve had the same one for nearly 15 years and havent had to even change the potentiometer (the one thing that sometimes goes bad on 'em) yet. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn In a message dated 7/24/05 4:14:57 AM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes: Per, have you tried the Ernie Ball volume pedal? I use it primarily because= , number one is is built like a tank, and two it has a very wide sweep contro= l with the foot, unlike the feel on, let's say, a Roland EV5 expression pedal= . That's how I get my volume swells, keyboard/organ emulations, etc. I like the control and spartan design of the pedal. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --MS_Mac_OE_3205053092_188077_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. here is how i have eliminated any degredation of my guitar signal and varyi= ng the volume @ the same time.
it took me forever to figure it out(thanks to JimThomas of the MERMEN!)-i u= se that aforementioned EB 25K pedal <in the efx loop>. that is, betwee= n the pre amp and power amp. once you have brought that low voltage guitar s= ignal up to pre amp(line) level...you can manipulate the signal every which = way. but 1st you have to get that signal boosted by the pre-that way you wil= l always have a way beefee signal-even w/ volume pedal wanking...course i ha= ve always used  guitar tube amps for my guitar tones-so that makes a di= fference too. varying an already weak voltage guitar volume is asking for si= gnal strength trouble...
imho fwiw
staninsanfran

I guess= Ernie Ball didn't consider planned obsolescence on those units!  :) &n= bsp; I forgot, they make a stereo volume pedal too, which also function= s as a panner. I sold mine because I already had too many pedals on the floo= r, but I suppose there are some interesting applications of that unit. I've = done weird things with volume pedals in the past, like putting a stereo volu= me pedal in between the last effect unit in the signal chain and the power a= mp...then off to the speakers. That eliminates the gain loss when you place = the volume pedal after the guitar and before your first unit in the signal c= hain - which has a similar gain decrease effect as the guitar's volume pot..= .that is useful too, especially if you are using a lot of distortion and you= want to clean it up to a half dirty, half clean tone.
Check this out &nbs= p;http://www.ernieball.com/site/content/products_frame_pedals.php  See = the 25K pedal? Interesting. And look at the cute little junior models...awhh= hh.

Kris


From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] =
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:40 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions.

Per, Kris,

I concure. I used a variety of volume pedals during the '80s but switched to the Ernie Ball volume pedal in the 90s and have been happ with it
ever since. Like Kris says, it's built like a tank. !'ve had the same one <= BR> for nearly 15 years and havent had to even change the potentiometer
(the one thing that sometimes goes bad on 'em) yet.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

In a message dated 7/24/05 4:14:57 AM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes:

Per, have you tried the Ernie Ball volume pedal? I us= e it primarily because, number one is is built like a tank, and two it has a= very wide sweep control with the foot, unlike the feel on, let's say, a Rol= and EV5 expression pedal. That's how I get my volume swells, keyboard/organ = emulations, etc. I like the control and spartan design of the pedal.

"Different is not alwa= ys better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also av= ailable at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???


--MS_Mac_OE_3205053092_188077_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 19:40:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF0893BF52; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ll0AKHZxT0/TBbT1R0BRbdKrclo+Kjnj/vEJ0sSpvZ4/Wu/OoVbwLmjv0BcbnWqav/ZxjFIMmq3KT40qpcLMFfrmGYV2c0/D/w0bM4x9VjoD6BiVM9MD8OiRavu5oOz9Sv5BFY49Co3nQ4GXO9MgGjGgvKh50viS6Hvry1HFKWg= ; Message-ID: <20050724194015.26433.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01d101c5905a$323aae10$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:40:17 +0000 (UTC) i actually have the MO-FX pluged it in through the Alt3/4 of my mackie to get those after echoes (by activating the mute button), but i dont always feel like hauling my rack and mixer so i might have to swap my boss dd-3 for the dd-5 to accomplish this with my reduced setup. Gruss Luis --- loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > > Uhm... it's some time ago ... > I think I meant achieving this with a mixing > console, so you would connect > the input of the DD-5 to the AUX SEND and its output > to the AUX RECEIVE and > connect the AUX output to the input of another free > channel. Then you would > normally open up the AUX on the guitar channel of > your mixer and when you > want the echo to die out while continuing to play, > you'd turn off the AUX on > the guitar channel. > You could also split the guitar signal and connect > output A directly to a > mixer channel and output B via the DD-3 to another > channel. When you want > the echo to die out without receiving new input, > you'd interrupt the input > of the DD-3 with a pop-free audio switch (e.g. > http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/AB-2/), or if > your splitter allows to > mute selective outputs, mute the DD-3 input. > > But since I don't own a mixer or a splitter (to keep > the rig lean and mean), > there are much more competent people on this list > who know exactly how to > achieve this... > > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > http://loopfestival.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Sonntag, 24. Juli 2005 15:37 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th > documented > > > > Hi Bernhard, > > thanx for your info! > > question on this quote: > > What I dislike about the DD-5 is when you kick it > into > > bypass mode, it continues echoing the old delay > buffer > > content till it dies out. It doesn't stop > immediately. > > The only situation I would like this kind of > behaviour > > would be if I want my last lick to echo out while > I > > continue playing something on top without that > being > > echoed. This in turn is much better achieved by a > > special wiring of your effect gear... > > > > how could i wire my effects to acomplish that? > > (this is the way my pedalboard runs: > > chorus-mojovibe-tremolo-ts-9-prescription > electronics > > fuzz-dd-3-dl4) > > thanx! > > Luis > > > > > > > > --- loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > > > > > Hi Luis > > > > > > I have a description of the gear here: > > > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/gear.html > > > > > > Additionally, I used a Boss DD-6, borrowed from > a > > > friend, to demonstrate > > > that you can loop also with stomp boxes, albeit > very > > > limited: 5 seconds and > > > no feedback control. > > > > > > The slide #18 of the talk shows the signal path: > > > http://loopfestival.com/talks/0507.pdf > > > > > > Thanks for your interest! > > > Bernhard > > > http://nosuch.biz > > > http://loopfestival.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > > > Sent: Samstag, 23. Juli 2005 08:06 > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Subject: Re: Promo Event last Wednesday, July > 13th > > > documented > > > > > > > > Grüezi Bernhard, > > > > i am curious > > > > what pedals do you have there down there? > > > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Fabio Anile > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ..funny that Bernhard's "looping guitar".... > > > > > > > > > > Fabio > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:10 AM > > > > > Subject: Promo Event last Wednesday, July > 13th > > > > > documented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there > > > > > > > > > > Last Wednesday, July 13th, there was a promo > > > event > > > > > for the upcoming > > > > > Loopfestival Zürich. There was a great > audience > > > of > > > > > around 50 attendants > > > > > including Matthias Grob and Bruno Spoerri. > Many > > > > > thanks to the hosts > > > > > digitaler salon and walcheturm! > > > > > Go to http://loopfestival.com/ds05, scroll > down > > > and > > > > > click on "Photos" and > > > > > "Slides" for more information (and the sight > of > > > an > > > > > y2k4 shirt recently > > > > > discussed in this forum ;) ). > > > > > > > > > > Thanx > > > > > Bernhard > > > > > http://nosuch.biz > > > > > http://loopfestival.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 19:54:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 680673BF5B; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=gXbgpJ/5MdlB9hsTA3yA2dUzSZykg4X63+I3DMEbyVxB6L2srQfpvZkKL1+TNT6XaGeu6KqCwY8zdoJgX0QRAdQVQs/oha+aKWvEf23XaYfLG7vOZzeKNqsH9QzRga/6EnBvAC2m8iwQbwlUWypyTIzkO7XzuCBNemcXWjDx3/Q= Message-ID: <9e2a712405072412541378977d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:54:22 -0500 From: Michael Pregeant Reply-To: Michael Pregeant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:54:23 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking to start on my soundscaping setup.. primatily focusing around Fripp and his work. I'm looking for alternatives to his vintage equipment, and I have checked out the Looper's Delight equipment list for that information. I was wondering if any of you had any personal recommendations for this kind of soundscaping. And also.. I have been looking at TC Electronic's D-Two for my delay units.. I could buy 4 for only 2 grand or so.. can they get the job done as well as others could? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 20:01:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27DB33BF61; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E3F373.7050404@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:00:51 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for July 23, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <38OtYC.A.JQD.JO_4CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:01:14 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/050723.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #71 July 23, 2005. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [Saul Stokes] Curve of Symphony Edition #3 Sampler (Groove) VA [WAKI] Salvia Edition #3 Sampler (Groove) VA [Subradial] Bioloophorm Edition #3 Sampler (Groove) VA [Spielerei] Displaying Movements Edition #3 Sampler (Groove) Ken Martin Cloudance Spheres (Space for Music) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Serapis High Tension Serapis (Ton 4) Deep Forest Night Bird Essence of the Forest (Epic) Dream Aria Sungoddess In the Wake (none) Oscar Reynolds Waxing Moon River of Light (Karumanta) Neilsen-Goodman Project Kona Blend Tap Dance On a Cloud (Split Second) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Ozric Tentacles Akasha Spirals in Hyperspace (Magna Carta) Tiles All She Knows Window Dressing (InsideOut) RPWL Start the Fire World Through My Eyes (InsideOut) The Flower Kings Love Supreme Adam & Eve (InsideOut) Cryptic Vision Ascension Moments of Clarity (none) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in four weeks on August 20. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 21:26:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 829553BF51; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:25:58 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002301c59096$48cc7460$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/ZVqDJjmXXGZppZ5Nhvmew)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB963@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <7CHMnC.A.YdF.odA5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:26:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_/ZVqDJjmXXGZppZ5Nhvmew) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I have an E.Ball stereo vol pedal that I sometimes place in the loop of = a Lehle D.Loop, after quite a few pedals and before some rack gear and the Echoplexes. It`s easy then to pan = different layers to each of the Echoplexes or doing slow panning sweeps. = Only problem is the difference in vol level when changing the E.Ball = from panning to volume mode. In panning mode the level is quite a bit below unity due to the pedal being passive (I`ve = heard). Are there any active volume pedals with stereo in/out? Btw David Torn who uses Goodrich now has not much good to say about the = E.Ball pedals. Hilton is another quality pedal. http://www.thegearpage.net/board/search.php?s=3D&action=3Dshowresults&sea= rchid=3D924338&sortby=3Dlastpost&sortorder=3Ddescending T. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hartung, Kris=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: RE: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. I guess Ernie Ball didn't consider planned obsolescence on those = units! :) I forgot, they make a stereo volume pedal too, which also = functions as a panner. I sold mine because I already had too many pedals = on the floor, but I suppose there are some interesting applications of = that unit. I've done weird things with volume pedals in the past, like = putting a stereo volume pedal in between the last effect unit in the = signal chain and the power amp...then off to the speakers. That = eliminates the gain loss when you place the volume pedal after the = guitar and before your first unit in the signal chain - which has a = similar gain decrease effect as the guitar's volume pot...that is useful = too, especially if you are using a lot of distortion and you want to = clean it up to a half dirty, half clean tone. Check this out = http://www.ernieball.com/site/content/products_frame_pedals.php See the = 25K pedal? Interesting. And look at the cute little junior = models...awhhhh. Kris -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Per, Kris, I concure. I used a variety of volume pedals during the '80s but = switched to the Ernie Ball volume pedal in the 90s and have been happ with it ever since. Like Kris says, it's built like a tank. !'ve had the same = one=20 for nearly 15 years and havent had to even change the potentiometer=20 (the one thing that sometimes goes bad on 'em) yet. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn In a message dated 7/24/05 4:14:57 AM, kris.hartung@hp.com writes: Per, have you tried the Ernie Ball volume pedal? I use it primarily = because, number one is is built like a tank, and two it has a very wide = sweep control with the foot, unlike the feel on, let's say, a Roland EV5 = expression pedal. That's how I get my volume swells, keyboard/organ = emulations, etc. I like the control and spartan design of the pedal. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Boundary_(ID_/ZVqDJjmXXGZppZ5Nhvmew) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
I have an E.Ball stereo vol pedal that = I sometimes=20 place in the loop of a Lehle D.Loop, after quite a few pedals = and
before some rack gear and the = Echoplexes. It`s easy=20 then to pan different layers to each of the Echoplexes or doing slow = panning=20 sweeps. Only problem is the difference in vol level when changing the = E.Ball=20 from panning to volume mode. In panning mode the
level is quite a bit below unity due to = the pedal=20 being passive (I`ve heard).
Are there any active volume pedals with = stereo=20 in/out?
 
Btw David Torn who uses Goodrich = now has not=20 much good to say about the E.Ball pedals. Hilton is another quality=20 pedal.
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/search.php?s=3D&action=3Dsho= wresults&searchid=3D924338&sortby=3Dlastpost&sortorder=3Ddesc= ending
 
T.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hartung,=20 Kris
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 = 8:55 PM
Subject: RE: Delurk, intro and = a couple=20 of questions.

I guess Ernie Ball didn't consider planned = obsolescence=20 on those units!  :)   I forgot, they make a stereo = volume pedal=20 too, which also functions as a panner. I sold mine because I already = had too=20 many pedals on the floor, but I suppose there are some interesting=20 applications of that unit. I've done weird things with volume pedals = in the=20 past, like putting a stereo volume pedal in between the last effect = unit in=20 the signal chain and the power amp...then off to the speakers. That = eliminates=20 the gain loss when you place the volume pedal after the guitar and = before your=20 first unit in the signal chain - which has a similar gain decrease = effect as=20 the guitar's volume pot...that is useful too, especially if you are = using a=20 lot of distortion and you want to clean it up to a half dirty, half = clean=20 tone.
 
Check this out  = http://www.ernieball.com/site/content/products_frame_pedals.php = =20 See the 25K pedal? Interesting. And look at the cute little junior=20 models...awhhhh.
 
 
Kris
 

From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 = 12:40=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Delurk, intro and a couple of questions.

Per, Kris,

I concure. I used a variety of = volume=20 pedals during the '80s but switched
to the Ernie Ball volume pedal = in the=20 90s and have been happ with it
ever since. Like Kris says, it's = built like=20 a tank. !'ve had the same one
for nearly 15 years and havent had = to even=20 change the potentiometer
(the one thing that sometimes goes bad on = 'em)=20 yet.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

In a message dated 7/24/05 4:14:57 AM,=20 kris.hartung@hp.com writes:

Per, have you tried the Ernie Ball volume = pedal? I use it=20 primarily because, number one is is built like a tank, and two it = has a very=20 wide sweep control with the foot, unlike the feel on, let's say, a = Roland=20 EV5 expression pedal. That's how I get my volume swells, = keyboard/organ=20 emulations, etc. I like the control and spartan design of the=20 pedal.

"Different is not always better, but better is = always=20 different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845= 073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_1= 7314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?Pro= ductID=3D193

Ted = Killian's "Flux=20 Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, = MusicMatch,=20 MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents,=20 Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic,=20 Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, = blah.=20 So???
 --Boundary_(ID_/ZVqDJjmXXGZppZ5Nhvmew)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 22:12:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 186A93BF53; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:12:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <002301c59096$48cc7460$0200000a@remwavesnet> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FB963@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <002301c59096$48cc7460$0200000a@remwavesnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:09:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <1FsXZ.A.NjG.2IB5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:12:07 +0000 (UTC) There's also a couple of new Boss vol. pedals: http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM05/Content/Boss/PR/FV-500H- FV-500L.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 24 23:14:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C8F63BF57; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: Boss DD-5/6 marketing rant (was RE: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 01:13:58 +0200 Message-ID: <020f01c590a5$623485a0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <20050724194015.26433.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD,NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Luis, I was told at a GuitarCenter that the DD-5 is no longer produced. The = DD-6 has limited looping capability but beware if you depend on the tapping feature: the DD-6 no longer has a separate tapping input jack but = instead you must press the pedal for 3 seconds while in delay-mode in order to = put it into tapping mode. This means you can only tap the tempo of a delay = that is already on (with most probably wrong timing, otherwise, why would you want to tap it)! Genuinely bad interface design... BTW: someone should teach those marketing guys at Boss a lesson. They're insulting a musician's intellect. E.g.: "The BOSS DD-5 [...] access to delays from 1ms all the way up to a walloping 2000ms. " yeah, 2000 milliseconds sounds a lot more = "walloping" than 2 seconds, right... = (http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=3D1&tmp=3D15) "The DD-6 [...] Reverse mode makes it easy to get trippy =9160s and = =9170s-style effects, while the newly designed Warp mode creates radical delay = effects=20 on the fly." (http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=3D1&tmp=3D118) Exactly what I need: "instant", "easy", "on the fly", ... And thanx for being so specific about the "radical delay effects"! (I use the DD-5 on a daily basis, though ;) ) Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 24. Juli 2005 21:40 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented >=20 > i actually have the MO-FX pluged it in through the > Alt3/4 of my mackie to get those after echoes (by > activating the mute button), but i dont always feel > like hauling my rack and mixer so i might have to swap > my boss dd-3 for the dd-5 to accomplish this with my > reduced setup. > Gruss > Luis >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: >=20 > > > > Uhm... it's some time ago ... > > I think I meant achieving this with a mixing > > console, so you would connect > > the input of the DD-5 to the AUX SEND and its output > > to the AUX RECEIVE and > > connect the AUX output to the input of another free > > channel. Then you would > > normally open up the AUX on the guitar channel of > > your mixer and when you > > want the echo to die out while continuing to play, > > you'd turn off the AUX on > > the guitar channel. > > You could also split the guitar signal and connect > > output A directly to a > > mixer channel and output B via the DD-3 to another > > channel. When you want > > the echo to die out without receiving new input, > > you'd interrupt the input > > of the DD-3 with a pop-free audio switch (e.g. > > http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/AB-2/), or if > > your splitter allows to > > mute selective outputs, mute the DD-3 input. > > > > But since I don't own a mixer or a splitter (to keep > > the rig lean and mean), > > there are much more competent people on this list > > who know exactly how to > > achieve this... > > > > Bernhard > > http://nosuch.biz > > http://loopfestival.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Sonntag, 24. Juli 2005 15:37 > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: RE: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th > > documented > > > > > > Hi Bernhard, > > > thanx for your info! > > > question on this quote: > > > What I dislike about the DD-5 is when you kick it > > into > > > bypass mode, it continues echoing the old delay > > buffer > > > content till it dies out. It doesn't stop > > immediately. > > > The only situation I would like this kind of > > behaviour > > > would be if I want my last lick to echo out while > > I > > > continue playing something on top without that > > being > > > echoed. This in turn is much better achieved by a > > > special wiring of your effect gear... > > > > > > how could i wire my effects to acomplish that? > > > (this is the way my pedalboard runs: > > > chorus-mojovibe-tremolo-ts-9-prescription > > electronics > > > fuzz-dd-3-dl4) > > > thanx! > > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > --- loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Luis > > > > > > > > I have a description of the gear here: > > > > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/gear.html > > > > > > > > Additionally, I used a Boss DD-6, borrowed from > > a > > > > friend, to demonstrate > > > > that you can loop also with stomp boxes, albeit > > very > > > > limited: 5 seconds and > > > > no feedback control. > > > > > > > > The slide #18 of the talk shows the signal path: > > > > http://loopfestival.com/talks/0507.pdf > > > > > > > > Thanks for your interest! > > > > Bernhard > > > > http://nosuch.biz > > > > http://loopfestival.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > > > > Sent: Samstag, 23. Juli 2005 08:06 > > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > Subject: Re: Promo Event last Wednesday, July > > 13th > > > > documented > > > > > > > > > > Gr=FCezi Bernhard, > > > > > i am curious > > > > > what pedals do you have there down there? > > > > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Fabio Anile > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ..funny that Bernhard's "looping guitar".... > > > > > > > > > > > > Fabio > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:10 AM > > > > > > Subject: Promo Event last Wednesday, July > > 13th > > > > > > documented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there > > > > > > > > > > > > Last Wednesday, July 13th, there was a promo > > > > event > > > > > > for the upcoming > > > > > > Loopfestival Z=FCrich. There was a great > > audience > > > > of > > > > > > around 50 attendants > > > > > > including Matthias Grob and Bruno Spoerri. > > Many > > > > > > thanks to the hosts > > > > > > digitaler salon and walcheturm! > > > > > > Go to http://loopfestival.com/ds05, scroll > > down > > > > and > > > > > > click on "Photos" and > > > > > > "Slides" for more information (and the sight > > of > > > > an > > > > > > y2k4 shirt recently > > > > > > discussed in this forum ;) ). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx > > > > > > Bernhard > > > > > > http://nosuch.biz > > > > > > http://loopfestival.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 00:37:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 701943BF57; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 00:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <9e2a712405072412541378977d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e2a712405072412541378977d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <90c0c8956eee36ada8a58dfe97ac8cae@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp. Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:37:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 00:37:27 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 24, 2005, at 2:54 PM, Michael Pregeant wrote: > I'm looking to start on my soundscaping setup.. primatily focusing > around Fripp and his work. I'm looking for alternatives to his vintage which fripp do you want to sound like? new wave suit-wearing proto-indie-rock primitive tape delay fripp or cranky baggy shirt wearing legal-essay-obsessed glossy soundscape fripp? there is a difference. the tools for one will not do the job for the other. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 00:48:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEEA93BF4D; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 00:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E436F3.4040105@biink.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:48:51 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp. References: <9e2a712405072412541378977d@mail.gmail.com> <90c0c8956eee36ada8a58dfe97ac8cae@suitandtieguy.com> In-Reply-To: <90c0c8956eee36ada8a58dfe97ac8cae@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <92su.A.gxD.kbD5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 00:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > which fripp do you want to sound like? > > new wave suit-wearing proto-indie-rock primitive tape delay fripp That's the one that's happening, yet extinct. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 05:19:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0829B3BF0D; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 01:23:47 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <001901c590d9$08c41ba0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:19:01 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday July 26th - Planet Of The Loops Andrew Aldridge's quarterly series Planet Of The Loops lands at THE AMBiENT PiNG for an evening of creative loop-based improvisations. This edition will be a *must* for guitar fans as Toronto's two giants of looping guitar meet onstage for the first time since the late 90s. Aidan Baker is an ultra-prolific Toronto musician and writer making experimental/ambient/drone music using electric guitar, looping pedal, and various electronics to create music that ranges from minimal abstractions to maximal walls of enveloping sound. (rik, from the ping things CD table, will be bringing a wide selection of Aidan's works on CD and vinyl for this concert.) http://listen.to/aidan Andrew Aldridge is the founder of Planet Of The Loops & Sterling Moss and is an in-demand guitarist for artists like Wild Strawberries, Universal Honey, Little Man Hands, Swallows and many others. He's just returned from a European tour with Sarah Slean and will be in top form and ready for something completely different... Don't miss it! http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html Between Sets CD - "Calling Down The Sky" by Robert Rich A live recording from a "living room concert" in Denver, Colorado on July 26, 2003 (precisely 2 years before tonight's Planet concert) during which ambient master (and looper) Rich states that everything "came into focus" as he created a completely improvised performance for this intimate audience. http://www.robertrich.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday August 2nd - GeekWeekend Rob Hoare (sax, flute, laptop, words, dice) - http://www.robhoare.de Steven Sauve (synthesizer, laptop, dice) - http://www.karmafarm.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek Tuesday, July 19th was a feast of "untouchable" music at the PiNG as the audience was treated to two different sets of music featuring the Theremin (played by moving your hands in the air near its antennae) as the central instrument. This was probably the earliest electronic instrument and was invented by Leon Theremin in the 1920s. More info at: http://www.theremin.info/ and http://www.thereminvox.com In the first set Gnostic Rocket (Steve Barber) played his own brand of experimental dub music. Across his downtempo grooves, he injected arcs of sound from his Theremin, which was channeled through a Korg X911 guitar synthesizer and then through a unique custom-designed device called the Springboard Dub, a "circuit-bent" analog delay unit in a charming toy piano casing with springs inside the keyboard area, which could be plucked or touched with probes to create short-circuit sound modifications. There's some photos and a detailed description at http://www.audible-ism.com/soundart/aconic/springboard.html the site of its creator, Arius Blaze. Gnostic Rocket's first show was a definite success with the PiNG audience, who were thoroughly chilled with his cool sounds and gently throbbing rhythms. Then electronic music veterans PHH!K took the stage to perform "Thereminstahs" taking a more abstract approach to their set. Each armed with a Theremin and other non-tactile instruments and controllers (like the Buchla "Lightning"), they soon had the sound system buzzing with sliding frequencies and sonic chaos with orchestral undercurrents. Luna last experienced PHH!K with special guests Christine Duncan on vocals and Rick Sacks on drums, so this night's core duo performance (Peter Hannan and Henry Kucharzyk) was a more challenging listening experience but was great fun to watch as their non-tactile techniques looked like conjuring tricks. Their set was very well-received and the duo obliged the audience with an encore. More info at: http://www.phhk.com *** iPOP PING magazine is shaping up to be a wide ranging, whimsical collection of ambient thoughts, experimental attitudes and innovative art. Articles, poetry and art submissions are still being welcomed. Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Shadow Puppets" by the Machine in the Garden I've been a fan of the Machine in the Garden for some time now, having been introduced to them in the early days through a chance discovery on mp3.com. They've always impressed me with their sophistication, the elegance of their lyrics, their excellent musicianship. I hold them in very high regard and I look forward to each new release with a tremendous sense of anticipation. But nothing could have prepared me for the brilliance of their latest disc, "Shadow Puppets". Summer Bowman and Roger Frace of the Machine in the Garden have surpassed all previous expectations presented by earlier discs and created an epic, beautiful collection of songs that stand among the best I've heard so far this year. Opening with "This Silence", the tone is set with languid guitar arpegios and beguiling percussion leading into a swelled chorus that totally rocks. Summer's vocals sound sensual like honey on this one, drawing the listener deeper and deeper into a new plane of existence. Go ahead, step inside, you can thank her on the other side... Track two, "The Inside World", employs a steady kick drum beat and tension ridden guitar masterfully played underneath fully controlled vocals. Secrets, solopsisms and magic all rolled up into one. Brilliant. "Winter Fell" is next, a chilled piece of music that stands as one of my favorites on the disc. It's a slowly building track that draws from a slight intro into more intense emotional territory. Chilling, beautiful and all together wonderful. "Mantra" opens with a burbling, glitchy electronic intro, all feedback laden and processed noise, mad experiments in sound bubbling up from test tubes and beakers. Vocals take on a particularly automated quality here, a processed element that brings to mind images of black rainfall and Daryl Hannah using spray paint as makeup. This is a good thing by the way. Sheerly robotic in a most appealing fashion. "Suspend" uses fluid vocals over sparse keyboard work leading into guitar melodies and dramatic rhythm patterns. There's a theatricality to this piece, a really lovely cinematic quality that would lend itself well to a video. Ummmmmmm, Summer? Roger? Are you taking note here? kthxbye!!!1! The next song, "More Unto Fire Dreamt", is a slower paced, arpegio based track that reminds me of earlier work by the band. It's a lovely piece that allows Summer's vocals to stretch out and flow, a great showcase for her impressive talents. "Mother" is a cover of a song by Elaine Walker of ZIA, an incredibly powerful piece that captures the helplessness of illness. It's a powerful example of the way music can be used to vocalize emotions and sentiment, a very impressive work that stays with the listener long after its completion. "Spider's Bride" follows, a vaguely unsettling track filled with layered vocals and driving percussive patterns. Roger makes a brief appearance on back up vocals on this one, adding a dramatic quality that really complements the song. Vocals wrap around each other, intertwining, building in intensity. A lovely piece of string taut tension. "Illusions in Rain" features vocals and piano overtop a steady droning melody. Sparse, minimal, beautiful. Saying anything more would only take away from its wonders. "If Ever" opens with a lovely blend of acoustic guitar and ethereal vocals, a yearning need, reaching beyond oneself. As time progresses electric elements are added to accent the strength and desire in the piece and by the time the song is over, you want and need everything in just the same way. "Goodbye" closes the album with a steady synth line and swooning vocals. A lovely way to close a disc filled with beauty, wonder, secrets and mysteries. So what more is there to be said that hasn't already been mentioned? "Shadow Puppets" is a slick production, lyrically strong and mature, filled with great programming and a lovely blend of both organic and electronic elements. Whether you're a long time fan of the band or if you're looking for something new to check out, you owe it to yourself to investigate this disc. You'll be glad you did. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 07:12:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9726B3BF47; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,139,1120449600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1344804503:sNHT21050326" From: To: Subject: Digitech Jamman vs Boomerang Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 00:12:17 -0700 Message-ID: <013c01c590e8$3308e300$0600a8c0@khp1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013D_01C590AD.86AA0B00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050725051902.19AEA3BF4A@arsenic.violacea.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:12:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C590AD.86AA0B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone give me there opinion about which to buy? The Digitech Jamman or the Boomerang. I think being able to save loops is important to me. ken ------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C590AD.86AA0B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can anyone give me there opinion = about which to buy? The Digitech Jamman or the Boomerang. I think being able to save = loops is important to me.

 

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------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C590AD.86AA0B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 09:17:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E58873BF37; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NxEb1b+tZJiqPdjTme/lLjo9JbgGFv6h5mvxbumJA9KHnEvJnN5KOJzTNdrsPBG3zC/Af3nseXOS0L1MfuydRzxjVGbwIhCRokTjzXjCmI6ZWY1Y5NnSc15yrSvLg5uPHsjVPuSdcka37tHVMWlZH4ZDJ72QJN57MNW1GwKdSYE= ; Message-ID: <20050725091721.25627.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 02:17:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Boss DD-5/6 marketing rant (was RE: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th documented) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <020f01c590a5$623485a0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:17:23 +0000 (UTC) you are absolutely right Bernhard Boss has gone backwards,I tried the dd-6 and was really dissapointed,unpractical and somehow it sounds a bit more steril,but the DL-4 has all those wonderful functions,the problem is switching between delay mode and loop mode,thats why i want to have a separate compact delay pedal. reading your web got me also curious to check out the vesta delay...perfect drones with it, wow i want one! Luis --- loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > Luis, > > I was told at a GuitarCenter that the DD-5 is no > longer produced. The DD-6 > has limited looping capability but beware if you > depend on the tapping > feature: the DD-6 no longer has a separate tapping > input jack but instead > you must press the pedal for 3 seconds while in > delay-mode in order to put > it into tapping mode. This means you can only tap > the tempo of a delay that > is already on (with most probably wrong timing, > otherwise, why would you > want to tap it)! Genuinely bad interface design... > > BTW: someone should teach those marketing guys at > Boss a lesson. They're > insulting a musician's intellect. > > E.g.: "The BOSS DD-5 [...] access to delays from 1ms > all the way up to a > walloping 2000ms. " yeah, 2000 milliseconds sounds a > lot more "walloping" > than 2 seconds, right... > (http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=15) > > "The DD-6 [...] Reverse mode makes it easy to get > trippy ‘60s and ‘70s-style > effects, while the newly designed Warp mode creates > radical delay effects > on the fly." > (http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=118) > > Exactly what I need: "instant", "easy", "on the > fly", ... And thanx for > being so specific about the "radical delay effects"! > > (I use the DD-5 on a daily basis, though ;) ) > > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > http://loopfestival.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Sonntag, 24. Juli 2005 21:40 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Promo Event last Wednesday, July 13th > documented > > > > i actually have the MO-FX pluged it in through the > > Alt3/4 of my mackie to get those after echoes (by > > activating the mute button), but i dont always > feel > > like hauling my rack and mixer so i might have to > swap > > my boss dd-3 for the dd-5 to accomplish this with > my > > reduced setup. > > Gruss > > Luis > > > > > > > > --- loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > > > > > > > > Uhm... it's some time ago ... > > > I think I meant achieving this with a mixing > > > console, so you would connect > > > the input of the DD-5 to the AUX SEND and its > output > > > to the AUX RECEIVE and > > > connect the AUX output to the input of another > free > > > channel. Then you would > > > normally open up the AUX on the guitar channel > of > > > your mixer and when you > > > want the echo to die out while continuing to > play, > > > you'd turn off the AUX on > > > the guitar channel. > > > You could also split the guitar signal and > connect > > > output A directly to a > > > mixer channel and output B via the DD-3 to > another > > > channel. When you want > > > the echo to die out without receiving new input, > > > you'd interrupt the input > > > of the DD-3 with a pop-free audio switch (e.g. > > > http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/AB-2/), or > if > > > your splitter allows to > > > mute selective outputs, mute the DD-3 input. > > > > > > But since I don't own a mixer or a splitter (to > keep > > > the rig lean and mean), > > > there are much more competent people on this > list > > > who know exactly how to > > > achieve this... > > > > > > Bernhard > > > http://nosuch.biz > > > http://loopfestival.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > > > Sent: Sonntag, 24. Juli 2005 15:37 > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Subject: RE: Promo Event last Wednesday, July > 13th > > > documented > > > > > > > > Hi Bernhard, > > > > thanx for your info! > > > > question on this quote: > > > > What I dislike about the DD-5 is when you kick > it > > > into > > > > bypass mode, it continues echoing the old > delay > > > buffer > > > > content till it dies out. It doesn't stop > > > immediately. > > > > The only situation I would like this kind of > > > behaviour > > > > would be if I want my last lick to echo out > while > > > I > > > > continue playing something on top without that > > > being > > > > echoed. This in turn is much better achieved > by a > > > > special wiring of your effect gear... > > > > > > > > how could i wire my effects to acomplish that? > > > > (this is the way my pedalboard runs: > > > > chorus-mojovibe-tremolo-ts-9-prescription > > > electronics > > > > fuzz-dd-3-dl4) > > > > thanx! > > > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Luis > > > > > > > > > > I have a description of the gear here: > > > > > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/gear.html > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, I used a Boss DD-6, borrowed > from > > > a > > > > > friend, to demonstrate > > > > > that you can loop also with stomp boxes, > albeit > > > very > > > > > limited: 5 seconds and > > > > > no feedback control. > > > > > > > > > > The slide #18 of the talk shows the signal > path: > > > > > http://loopfestival.com/talks/0507.pdf > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your interest! > > > > > Bernhard > > > > > http://nosuch.biz > > > > > http://loopfestival.com > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: L. Angulo > [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > > > > > Sent: Samstag, 23. Juli 2005 08:06 > > > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: Promo Event last Wednesday, > July > > > 13th > > > > > documented > > > > > > > > > > > > Grüezi Bernhard, > > > > > > i am curious > > > > > > what pedals do you have there down there? > > > > > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Fabio Anile > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..funny that Bernhard's "looping > guitar".... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fabio > === message truncated === www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 12:19:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC5A73BF14; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=c1syLtXEqjjX0J+qmZ8ylUhXhTKGbwYL1xCRUqtlVQni1bfHAv7oBvOu37JdsIiBc/d3JQFr+E1dxHtwBRAtnwPLSQ7IBIwNiNWdgGK9tQf8vLAx2rfUN3DMNKTEOs+jBP13fs6kffspxy+ALMYbFINf1EaXfbWrxn+vwsDEnVM= ; Message-ID: <01a501c59113$211a8740$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:19:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:19:41 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Risto Paalanen" > I'm currently playing (guitar and doodads) in a noise/industrial/ambient > band called Älymystö (whose sound is currently under renovation and > apparently turning into something a bit like this for our upcoming CD: > http://www.taphead.net/kolminaisuus.mp3), and doing occasional solo > performances in a more free-improv vein. > I like this song too! > > Anyway, on to the dilemma! My current gig setup is Guitar -> Pod Pro -> > Mixer -> Loopers (DL-4 and Repeater) -> Mixer -> PA. My problems with this > are twofold: > > 1) Pod Pro is a versatile box, but unfortunately a bit too sterile for my > taste. I'd like to use something that responds more to the changes in > style of play, preferably without lugging my trusty Rivera around. I didn't liked the POD sound either! I'm using a Johnson but I think these are not available anymore. I choose this one mainly for 2 reasons: it sounded as good for bass than for guitar and the accouistic simulation was almost convincing. > > 2) I'd like to minimise the amount of equipment I have to haul. A rack is > an easy solution, but lately I've been trying out Ableton Live and have > pretty much been floored by it. (At this point, special kudos to Per > Boysen, whose work with the software has been absolutely stunning.) take care of one thing: the signal path should end with the looper for maximum flexibility. Some amps with all the effects included are great but if there is no effect loop, you are stuck. Same goes for the laptop. Do you plan to put it in the send of your mixer? Or perhaps just using a guitar and the laptop: guitar > virtual FX > virtul amp > virtual looper > PA. Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 12:21:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 162C33BF23; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:21:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=tK3b4V+xHNzjS+x7abd2nAsk0BYZLrsOLs8fKpIVjOaGmJqELoVn8lmr0ipXmvRYfJnt8rQCIk4OydnoOXBu7PdF/SsCy/6YsIaWde5eze2+pqIiUWhA5/8QSlQmrdidwsEALlW0r738GDrkW8v1LlfUN/NtmLx7VtyZDXPI3IE= ; Message-ID: <01ab01c59113$5bc488a0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20050720020812.81876.qmail@web34012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <74B0F0B0-8961-484A-BA1C-C13CDBB45D33@boysen.se> Subject: Re: 10 new pieces posted Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:21:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:21:20 +0000 (UTC) I like the compo but.. what a sound Per! I'm sure the DVD will be astounding! Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: 10 new pieces posted > Dear Fellow Loopers, > > If anyone is interested I posted ten songs at http://www.looproom.com/ > flg/ > > These are mono compatible stereo mixes. I have also mixed all pieces for > 5.1 surround system (minus center front speaker), but that's a bit > complicated to put on the web ;-) The surround mixes will go on a DVD-v > in november together with movie artworks by Samuel Poromaa. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 12:27:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDBAE3BF1C; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E4DA9F.9000603@iki.fi> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:27:11 +0300 From: Risto Paalanen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. References: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> <01a501c59113$211a8740$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> In-Reply-To: <01a501c59113$211a8740$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Ben wrote: > I like this song too! Thanks! (And to the other compliments as well. Glad you dug.) > Same goes for the laptop. Do you plan to put it in the send of your > mixer? Or perhaps just using a guitar and the laptop: guitar > virtual > FX > virtul amp > virtual looper > PA. The latter would be my goal, although using Ableton Live as a VST host all manner of dynamic routings become available. Which is muy cool, and one of my primary reasons for considering the switch from hardware to software. Versatilitywise my other option would be along the lines of having multiple FX units and a Switchblade... R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 12:45:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C39243BEEC; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <01ab01c59113$5bc488a0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <20050720020812.81876.qmail@web34012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <74B0F0B0-8961-484A-BA1C-C13CDBB45D33@boysen.se> <01ab01c59113$5bc488a0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6D63A19D-BE30-4F98-9622-AB6C0CA96922@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 10 new pieces posted Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:45:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:45:05 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 25, 2005, at 14:21, Ben wrote: > I like the compo but.. what a sound Per! I'm sure the DVD will be > astounding! > > Ben. Thanks. One "trick" I used, that made the sound clearer and gave a better stereo definition, was the classic mastering with phase/ stereo inversion. It may be off topic for this list, but here's a short description: 1. Make three clones of the stereo mix file (or three mixer busses if you want to work directly with streaming audio). 2. Phase invert clone one, stereo swap clone tweo and send them to be summed on a bus. If you listen only to that bus now you should hear some crappy sounding audio with a "hole in the center" stereo. 3. Make clone three mono and send it to a second bus. 4. When listening only to these two busses, blend them and "repair" the whole in the center with the mono bus. Also try different compression and filtering of the two busses. Mess around with levels, compression and filtering until the sum of the two busses (the master output) sounds right. I was truly amazed on how much there is to achieve from this mastering method, speaking about "appeared sound quality" Mixes mastered in this way can achieve a wide stereo spread while still play back with the correct levels on a mono system. You should check mono compatibility all through the mastering process. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 12:53:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62C823BF43; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1122296029!22774285!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2EA@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: It's not Purple, it's Blue! Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:53:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59117.E5F9B5F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:53:52 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. 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>>It [original jam-man] doesn't MIDI sync in the Delay( called Echo) mode.<<

it bloody does! we use two of them like this all the time.

duncan.



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59117.E5F9B5F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 13:17:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F01393BF37; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mcHMLhtnOlDjwjbsOK3/8VM6nadezNjEqPkmhdPEaKMhO1t87AMYZaEPAe4XrEkw0JrSwFcRoY6Gu/WSbZw4ebvV64bEkJrXJfMLWfhLTzQUyRSO+9yt5qrlVesXCjw+wXe105eTWrHsbbqN68i7PJoixOzpEwQwNxPl7aKtVe0= ; Message-ID: <20050725131714.96386.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:17:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: 10 new pieces posted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6D63A19D-BE30-4F98-9622-AB6C0CA96922@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Great tip Per! ive been wanting to get more into mastering as well and expand which ive been doing with my limited capabilities, do you have any good links or recomended reading? i sometimes get lost in the terminology though so if you have a comprehensive online audio glossary id appreciated as well! thanx Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Jul 25, 2005, at 14:21, Ben wrote: > > > I like the compo but.. what a sound Per! I'm sure > the DVD will be > > astounding! > > > > Ben. > > > Thanks. One "trick" I used, that made the sound > clearer and gave a > better stereo definition, was the classic mastering > with phase/ > stereo inversion. It may be off topic for this list, > but here's a > short description: > > 1. Make three clones of the stereo mix file (or > three mixer busses if > you want to work directly with streaming audio). > 2. Phase invert clone one, stereo swap clone tweo > and send them to be > summed on a bus. If you listen only to that bus now > you should hear > some crappy sounding audio with a "hole in the > center" stereo. > 3. Make clone three mono and send it to a second > bus. > 4. When listening only to these two busses, blend > them and "repair" > the whole in the center with the mono bus. Also try > different > compression and filtering of the two busses. Mess > around with levels, > compression and filtering until the sum of the two > busses (the master > output) sounds right. > > I was truly amazed on how much there is to achieve > from this > mastering method, speaking about "appeared sound > quality" Mixes > mastered in this way can achieve a wide stereo > spread while still > play back with the correct levels on a mono system. > You should check > mono compatibility all through the mastering > process. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > www.luis-angulo.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 13:33:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33EF93BF07; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050725142606.036b54e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:28:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: Re: It's not Purple, it bloody does In-Reply-To: <20050725131716.556D23BF4C@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050725131716.556D23BF4C@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3MqCHC.A.UXH.ZoO5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:33:13 +0000 (UTC) At 14:17 25/07/05, you wrote: > >>It [original jam-man] doesn't MIDI sync in the Delay( called Echo) mode.<< > >it bloody does! we use two of them like this all the time. > >duncan. that's interesting jam-man certainly doesn't receive midi clock in the Echo mode, .................so what do you mean? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 13:51:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EAA33BEFA; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs. Boomerang Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:51:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C590F6.1A5A0970" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <013c01c590e8$3308e300$0600a8c0@khp1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:51:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C590F6.1A5A0970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you absolutely need to save then the DJMN is what you'll want over the Rang but the DJMN is still new and it would be good to get a few reviews. The Rang is EXTREMELY easy to use live and offers a certain elegance and simplicity for live performance regarding volume control, reverse and two phrase looping that you can't get (I don't think) with the DJMN. ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com -----Original Message----- From: ken@dangerlog.com [mailto:ken@dangerlog.com] Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Digitech Jamman vs Boomerang Can anyone give me there opinion about which to buy? The Digitech Jamman or the Boomerang. I think being able to save loops is important to me. ken ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C590F6.1A5A0970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you=20 absolutely need to save then the DJMN is what you'll want over the Rang = but the=20 DJMN is still new and it would be good to get a few reviews.  The = Rang is=20 EXTREMELY easy to use live and offers a certain elegance and simplicity = for live=20 performance regarding volume  control, reverse and two phrase = looping=20 that you can't get (I don't think) with the = DJMN.
 
~peace~

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Can anyone = give me=20 there opinion about which to buy? The Digitech Jamman or the = Boomerang. I=20 think being able to save loops is important to me.

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C590F6.1A5A0970-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 13:56:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CC9C3BF43; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j3E5d113yWCcgt1CFBoX3wRdYfmf5WY6yjhPlduzPiB9zfa82cg3hdUHbn9ENkg7a5rt66wsD55/GorILJCWnbZJomdu7tRrhHccJKoZuiovfLdn1SOwhgFsxce7AeJ7hFNUTKVOmqSF4zVM/IYwjbGwYI73jvCcR/LAMdQ5fHU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:56:09 -0400 From: "edward ." Reply-To: "edward ." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs. Boomerang In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <013c01c590e8$3308e300$0600a8c0@khp1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Who makes the DJMN? Anyone have a link? Cheers. e* On 7/25/05, Michael Plishka wrote: > =20 > If you absolutely need to save then the DJMN is what you'll want over the > Rang but the DJMN is still new and it would be good to get a few reviews.= =20 > The Rang is EXTREMELY easy to use live and offers a certain elegance and > simplicity for live performance regarding volume control, reverse and tw= o > phrase looping that you can't get (I don't think) with the DJMN.=20 > =20 > ~peace~ >=20 > Michael=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > www.michaelplishka.com=20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ken@dangerlog.com [mailto:ken@dangerlog.com] > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:12 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Digitech Jamman vs Boomerang >=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 > Can anyone give me there opinion about which to buy? The Digitech Jamman = or > the Boomerang. I think being able to save loops is important to me.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > ken=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 14:12:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA74D3BF49; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:17:26 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: mastering - was: re10 new pieces To: Message-id: <000c01c59123$96063800$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050720020812.81876.qmail@web34012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <74B0F0B0-8961-484A-BA1C-C13CDBB45D33@boysen.se> <01ab01c59113$5bc488a0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> <6D63A19D-BE30-4F98-9622-AB6C0CA96922@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:12:49 +0000 (UTC) A good mastering studio will be able to manipulate the EQ of the "extreme sides" separately from the "inner-center" area of a stereo mix and I think effectively getting you similar stereo-widening results. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:45 AM Subject: Re: 10 new pieces posted > On Jul 25, 2005, at 14:21, Ben wrote: > > > I like the compo but.. what a sound Per! I'm sure the DVD will be > > astounding! > > > > Ben. > > > Thanks. One "trick" I used, that made the sound clearer and gave a > better stereo definition, was the classic mastering with phase/ > stereo inversion. It may be off topic for this list, but here's a > short description: > > 1. Make three clones of the stereo mix file (or three mixer busses if > you want to work directly with streaming audio). > 2. Phase invert clone one, stereo swap clone tweo and send them to be > summed on a bus. If you listen only to that bus now you should hear > some crappy sounding audio with a "hole in the center" stereo. > 3. Make clone three mono and send it to a second bus. > 4. When listening only to these two busses, blend them and "repair" > the whole in the center with the mono bus. Also try different > compression and filtering of the two busses. Mess around with levels, > compression and filtering until the sum of the two busses (the master > output) sounds right. > > I was truly amazed on how much there is to achieve from this > mastering method, speaking about "appeared sound quality" Mixes > mastered in this way can achieve a wide stereo spread while still > play back with the correct levels on a mono system. You should check > mono compatibility all through the mastering process. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 14:18:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF09F3BF18; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:22:32 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: masterin: was -- Re: 10 new pieces posted To: Message-id: <001201c59124$4c689660$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050725131714.96386.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:18:01 +0000 (UTC) A few articles that talk about mastering that may be interesting to you. Mastering From the Trenches By Myles Boisen - Feb 1, 2005 12:00 PM http://emusician.com/mag/emusic_mastering_trenches/ Mastering Your Music Why You Need it, Where to Get it, and How to Make the Most of it. by The G-Man - NARIP.com and Immedia Wire Service, Posted Jan. 2004 http://www.musicbizacademy.com/articles/gman_mastering.htm STROTHER BULLINS discusses various aspects of mastering with five accomplished engineers, located in five different, bustling markets. http://www.audiomedia.com/redesign-2003/regional-issues/issue-usa/2003/2003-09/html/us-0903-masteringminds/0903-masteringminds.htm Enjoy! David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Angulo" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: Re: 10 new pieces posted > Great tip Per! ive been wanting to get more into > mastering as well and expand which ive been doing with > my limited capabilities, do you have any good links or > recomended reading? i sometimes get lost in the > terminology though so if you have a comprehensive > online audio glossary id appreciated as well! > thanx > Luis > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > On Jul 25, 2005, at 14:21, Ben wrote: > > > > > I like the compo but.. what a sound Per! I'm sure > > the DVD will be > > > astounding! > > > > > > Ben. > > > > > > Thanks. One "trick" I used, that made the sound > > clearer and gave a > > better stereo definition, was the classic mastering > > with phase/ > > stereo inversion. It may be off topic for this list, > > but here's a > > short description: > > > > 1. Make three clones of the stereo mix file (or > > three mixer busses if > > you want to work directly with streaming audio). > > 2. Phase invert clone one, stereo swap clone tweo > > and send them to be > > summed on a bus. If you listen only to that bus now > > you should hear > > some crappy sounding audio with a "hole in the > > center" stereo. > > 3. Make clone three mono and send it to a second > > bus. > > 4. When listening only to these two busses, blend > > them and "repair" > > the whole in the center with the mono bus. Also try > > different > > compression and filtering of the two busses. Mess > > around with levels, > > compression and filtering until the sum of the two > > busses (the master > > output) sounds right. > > > > I was truly amazed on how much there is to achieve > > from this > > mastering method, speaking about "appeared sound > > quality" Mixes > > mastered in this way can achieve a wide stereo > > spread while still > > play back with the correct levels on a mono system. > > You should check > > mono compatibility all through the mastering > > process. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 15:00:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 101463BF4B; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=M7/oh2g8w3CGvr6Qp/OjHXZuX7dGavDcdKXKZzKBJ+bKvNi4ZOG52g66TX3+tLvZ7YJytlebOwqEgkuFiPqrrJW2kIMfkYgWMqVSDpFKl8F4JzAnqb1UsvvKCsRkdOZg0log0MbLm0wA1Vt9Z0vWVZO1HHR96dW95h17ciKdwZw= ; Message-ID: <030f01c59129$88751bb0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: "edward ." , References: <013c01c590e8$3308e300$0600a8c0@khp1> Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs. Boomerang Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:59:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Hello Edward DJMN= Digitech Jamman. :-) http://www.digitech.com/products/JamMan/JamMan.htm Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "edward ." To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs. Boomerang Who makes the DJMN? Anyone have a link? Cheers. e* On 7/25/05, Michael Plishka wrote: > > If you absolutely need to save then the DJMN is what you'll want over the > Rang but the DJMN is still new and it would be good to get a few reviews. > The Rang is EXTREMELY easy to use live and offers a certain elegance and > simplicity for live performance regarding volume control, reverse and two > phrase looping that you can't get (I don't think) with the DJMN. > > ~peace~ > > Michael > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: ken@dangerlog.com [mailto:ken@dangerlog.com] > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:12 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Digitech Jamman vs Boomerang > > > > > Can anyone give me there opinion about which to buy? The Digitech Jamman > or > the Boomerang. I think being able to save loops is important to me. > > > > ken > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 16:06:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65BE53BF54; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3LcnpEmIp+tuklojR5falvhVi7xgubkfRrWSq6GtFU6qCkmotUtDbwHAlFlewHBjG3K3c2mT1IPrsS1RMIn517teX26SralOmqQ3pfo4PKEWnIOyMsV5QOFiqMw3fGrhJFbZgcqXuqyYay63VxV01p4CIumy6JZJwjsxmyr5YHo= ; Message-ID: <20050725160640.36423.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:06:40 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: re:delurking (lifeless guitar tone) (for loops?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-805351236-1122307600=:36364" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:06:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-805351236-1122307600=:36364 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well, one person's "lifeless guitar tone could = anothers tone from heaven" it is very subjective. i can't really comment on the pod pro, but have heard good things and if you're using that w/ a repeater, that's already a 4 space rack... one solution that i have been experimenting w/ that i got from a vernon reid interview in tapeop was to combine digital modelling (he used roland vg8) w/ some type of tube preamp in recording. i think he was using some mic preamp to "warm the signal up" (again subjective terms). i was experiencing similar thoughts/ideas and decided to get this peavey tj raxx tube preamp unit to use w/ my digitech rp100 and i thought it worked pretty well for me for loop experimenting. i also occasionally sub in a digitech rp7 for the rp100, its a tube preamp that has a nice "warm" sound, but isn't easy to program (in my opinion). the other option is to strip down your gear and see what is essential. last nite i put away my "regular preamps" and got out my old rat pedal and was using that into my loop setup, and i was amazed at the clarity of tone, felt "more pure guitar" tone, and did a little playing this am w/ it too. i think one thing for guitarists is the old addage that we're never happy w/ tone/sound/whatever...so at times it becomes like the old story of hendrix w/ wah wahs, 1st one sucked he thought, tech goes through 10, not happy, puts #1 back in, and that one sounds good all of a sudden. i experience this all the time it seems. never happy, always searching....oh well.....just some thoughts....s--- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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well, one person's "lifeless guitar tone could = anothers tone from heaven"
it is very subjective.
i can't really comment on the pod pro, but have heard good things and if
you're using that w/ a repeater, that's already a 4 space rack...
one solution that i have been experimenting w/ that i got from a vernon reid interview
in tapeop was to combine digital modelling (he used roland vg8) w/ some type of tube
preamp in recording. i think he was using some mic preamp to "warm the signal up" (again
subjective terms). i was experiencing similar thoughts/ideas and decided to get this
peavey tj raxx tube preamp unit to use w/ my digitech rp100 and i thought it worked pretty well
for me for loop experimenting. i also occasionally sub in a digitech rp7 for the rp100, its a tube
preamp that has a nice "warm" sound, but isn't easy to program (in my opinion).
the other option is to strip down your gear and see what is essential. last nite i put away
my "regular preamps" and got out my old rat pedal and was using that into my loop setup, and i was amazed at the clarity of tone, felt "more pure guitar" tone, and did a little playing this am w/ it too.
i think one thing for guitarists is the old addage that we're never happy w/ tone/sound/whatever...so at times it becomes like the old story of hendrix w/ wah wahs, 1st one sucked he thought, tech goes through 10, not happy, puts #1 back in, and that one sounds good all of a sudden. i experience this all the time it seems. never happy, always searching....oh well.....just some thoughts....s---

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-805351236-1122307600=:36364-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 16:12:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 636FC3BF4A; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:12:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:16:49 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Tone for guitar - was Re: re:delurking (lifeless guitar tone) (for loops?) To: Message-id: <002101c59134$436756e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C59112.BBD897A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050725160640.36423.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:12:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C59112.BBD897A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm so iching to get into a recording studio and plug my guitar directly = into the board and to overdrive some inputs to get a nice, hairy, raw, = fritzy-crip sound. It's nothing anyone here would want to do so I can = live vicariously, right?? :-)) David ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C59112.BBD897A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm so iching to get into a recording = studio and=20 plug my guitar directly into the board and to overdrive some inputs to = get a=20 nice, hairy, raw, fritzy-crip sound.  It's nothing anyone here = would want=20 to do so I can live vicariously, right?? :-))
 
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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C59112.BBD897A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 16:15:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 013B43BF4C; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:11:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org Subject: Anyone see Adrian Belew this tour? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Would love to hear some first person reviews of Adiran's belew's current tour. What old songs is he playing? I read an interview that said he was really excited about this new trio lineup and was concnetrating on streatching out the material a bit more and going a lot of guitar playing (which of course is not just your typical solo/want when you're dealing with Mr. belew. Any info greatly appreciated. I missed his free show here in phila (damn damn damn!) and don't think I can get to Tokyo for the new one :) __________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 16:25:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CD223BF58; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E5127E.7040104@biink.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:25:34 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: analogue@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Anyone see Adrian Belew this tour? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_5npZC.A.KlB.sJR5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Legion wrote: >Would love to hear some first person reviews of Adiran's belew's current >tour. What old songs is he playing? > recent set list: Writing on the Wall Dinosaur Ampersand Walk around the World Young Lions Beat Box Guitar I Remember How to Forget Madness Elephant Talk Rodney Dangerfield Cameo Drive Big Electric Cat Matchless Man Of Bow and Drum Frame by Frame/Future Vision Three of a Perfect Pair Inner Man Thela -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 17:01:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 693743BF5B; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3D1yyYAlqERsOi0DkDBuSQJNEBOXBSIQLwwjnVVxEOs2Otx00V7y2AjG0kqpHIfbVKYSAZezLTtnCy+CSKN1JqLMgvb6Cvdp+EhAw735MkV19BTJp1yfLoaglRBSbGhGGg3xabwohuA0zHDP+p4g+CcXYbTkt6oIF2ft+CIS4so= ; Message-ID: <20050725170134.55098.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: mental/dexterity exercises To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1115069619-1122310894=:54928" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:01:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-1115069619-1122310894=:54928 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello,does anyone else like to warm up by playing chess,nine~ball billiards,juggling?anybody got anymore mind tools like this?send em in...oh yea riding a bicycle is great time for arranging thoughts.i would also like to recomend stephen kings"on writing"~a memoir of the craft~good stuff for artist of all media. cool, scary visionary. ps.queen to f 7(kings bishop pawn)CHECKMATE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1115069619-1122310894=:54928-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 17:10:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DCF23BF5A; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050725171031.63693.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:10:31 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re:Re: It's not Purple, it's Blue!(Sellon Chip) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050723090341.02dc8a80@pop.tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Ah that JamMan click... those were the days. And people complain about the "bump" in the Repeater's loop point! The weird thing about the click was I'd go for months without it and all of the sudden there it was. Never could quite figure out why it was there sometimes but not others. Still a great looper though, IMO. Mark --- a k butler wrote: > At 07:05 23/07/05, you wrote: > Does that solve the JamMan Midi delay issues? > Does it solve the JamMan problem of clicks at the > loop start/end when > overdubbing while Midi syncing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 17:22:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 222763BF59; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5913D.4160275A" Subject: RE: mental/dexterity exercises Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:21:11 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B011FBAAA@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: mental/dexterity exercises Thread-Index: AcWROoxYKOK7Zh0hSYaqvfBBmiTAsgAAivgQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2005 17:21:13.0134 (UTC) FILETIME=[41B4FCE0:01C5913D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:22:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5913D.4160275A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I rather like a a pint of dark beer, followed by a 20-ounce Chai latte with three shots of espresso in it, aka, the "Charger". Other than that, I always start my performances cold. :) I've gone for a month without touching my guitar, and then picked it up again with the first note of a gig....though a three hour gig is hell on the fingertips with an acoustic. =20 K- ________________________________ From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mental/dexterity exercises hello,does anyone else like to warm up by playing chess,nine~ball billiards,juggling?anybody got anymore mind tools like this?send em in...oh yea riding a bicycle is great time for arranging thoughts.i would also like to recomend stephen kings"on writing"~a memoir of the craft~good stuff for artist of all media. cool, scary visionary. ps.queen to f 7(kings bishop pawn)CHECKMATE =20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5913D.4160275A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I rather like a a pint of dark beer, followed = by a 20-ounce=20 Chai latte with three shots of espresso in it, aka, the "Charger".  = Other=20 than that, I always start my performances cold.  :)  I've gone = for a=20 month without touching my guitar, and then picked it up again with the = first=20 note of a gig....though a three hour gig is hell on the fingertips with = an=20 acoustic.
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5913D.4160275A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 17:26:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88BC03BF54; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050725172646.68605.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42E24B27.80501@iki.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:26:48 +0000 (UTC) I'm a big fan of the Tonlab SE, as is fellow looper Bill Walker. It take a pretty big footprint, but IMO it's worth it and you get 2 expression pedels. You probably have some foot controller for the Pod, no? I think the Tonelab has the best modeled sounds out there and you get an 8 sec looper built right in. Some of the shorter delays have great modeled functions where you get that crazy pitch/speed shift when changing delay times like the good old BBDs. It's the only product I've tried that really feels like you have a bunch of great pedels hooked up to a tube amp(s). Mark --- Risto Paalanen wrote: > 1) Pod Pro is a versatile box, but unfortunately a > bit too sterile for > my taste. I'd like to use something that responds > more to the changes in > style of play, preferably without lugging my trusty > Rivera around. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 17:44:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A256C3BF57; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:43:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: new looper Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <42E532EB.4200.52C2D4@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <8VllCC.A.b0H.hTS5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Check out the new Zoom G2 - 5 seconds of freezable echo with reverb and more echo to add to the live signal! See http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/models/g2/pdmodel.html Cost me =A360 new on ebay. Brilliant! www.nickrobinson.info/music All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 18:08:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3394F3BF5C; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1122314888!6615148!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2EF@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It's not Purple, it bloody does Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:08:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59143.CBAE95E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:08:11 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59143.CBAE95E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > >>It [original jam-man] doesn't MIDI sync in the Delay( called Echo) mode.<< > >it bloody does! we use two of them like this all the time. > >duncan. that's interesting jam-man certainly doesn't receive midi clock in the Echo mode, .................so what do you mean?<< erm.... what I said.... my guitarist bought a jam-man in 1995, & we bought a second unit in 1997, & they both take midi-clock to synchronise either the looping or the delay modes. I have a number of album releases I could point you at where this is demonstrated.... so I have no idea what yours is doing, but ours does! duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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> >>It [original jam-man] doesn't MIDI sync in t= he Delay( called Echo) mode.<<
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>it bloody does! we use two of them like this all the= time.
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>duncan.


that's interesting
jam-man certainly doesn't receive midi clock in the Echo= mode,


.................so what do you mean?<<

erm.... what I said.... my guitarist bought a jam-man in = 1995, & we bought a second unit in 1997, & they both take midi-cloc= k to synchronise either the looping or the delay modes. I have a number of = album releases I could point you at where this is demonstrated....

so I have no idea what yours is doing, but ours does!

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C59143.CBAE95E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 18:09:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4B833BF5F; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UxnIDpPUE0/h9Dod17HuOAQO5sI95p3RYvsJ01kCIQ2vYECYe2+qK4W0SeQ2eofujWj3AI/gKQYlwGwPjQ4UnMC58wyc62VyAyoVpWObLbVm7W1WnYDAkep4G48168JBBcW99vXgpFHN/LI/dLwt4vS+xzSZ05H2QG2qnRIkHfI= Message-ID: <64b81a7805072511092f240b80@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:09:37 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers' Delight Subject: Re: Anyone see Adrian Belew this tour? In-Reply-To: <42E5127E.7040104@biink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <42E5127E.7040104@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-9fssD.A.Sy.irS5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Saw his show at Ramshead in Annapolis, MD. Great show. Lots of looping content. His two most recent albums (Side One & Side Two (with Side Three to follow shortly)) are primarily loop based and are excellent. The Washington Post ran a positive review of the show that can be found at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/22/AR= 2005072201835.html On 7/25/05, David Beardsley wrote: > Legion wrote: >=20 > >Would love to hear some first person reviews of Adiran's belew's current > >tour. What old songs is he playing? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 18:14:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D31CB3BF53; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:14:21 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: It's not Purple, it's Blue!(Sellon Chip) In-reply-to: <20050725171031.63693.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42E52BFD.5000503@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050725171031.63693.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:14:27 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > The weird thing about the click was I'd go for months > without it and all of the sudden there it was. Never > could quite figure out why it was there sometimes but > not others. I had a similar problem while adding external sync support to Mobius. My guess is that the JamMan does not disable sync drift retriggering during overdub like the EDP does. Most loopers that support external sync periodically retrigger the loop when they notice that the playback position has drifted away from where the MIDI clocks say it should be. Depending on the material in the loop and the nature of the cross fade, this may be inaudible or result in a slight bump. If this happens when you're overdubbing however, the retriggering may effectively result in a short section of the overdub being spliced out, or a short gap inserted. If a cross fade is not applied to the edges of this splice/gap you can get clicks. This problem can come and go, and depends on several factors like the stability of the MIDI clock, how close the loop length is to an even multiple of the time between MIDI clocks, and the average annual rainfall in Borneo. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 18:26:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 499823BF63; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BDSr56fg25v7QSClHzyJ7ix01MTdh+1aZR7iFmtMhQtRV/pOghjuFN7n5EDfoiVt+KO7hR7lge52LwvZPZDFIkspiDKn75/vpTJ67YyH2MOxP6wHL5Vtrixx5MGi0dRpyjjhf3zF1MTSvTJuLN5DnVd2lVDoGstFxDcmo0RgTP0= ; Message-ID: <20050725182609.71807.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Delurk, intro and a couple of questions. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050725172646.68605.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:26:10 +0000 (UTC) i hear you mark but it doesnt seem as flexible as the GT-8,but i couldnt coment on it since i havent been able to try it. 8sec looper yeah! Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > I'm a big fan of the Tonlab SE, as is fellow looper > Bill Walker. It take a pretty big footprint, but > IMO > it's worth it and you get 2 expression pedels. You > probably have some foot controller for the Pod, no? > I > think the Tonelab has the best modeled sounds out > there and you get an 8 sec looper built right in. > Some of the shorter delays have great modeled > functions where you get that crazy pitch/speed shift > when changing delay times like the good old BBDs. > It's the only product I've tried that really feels > like you have a bunch of great pedels hooked up to a > tube amp(s). > > Mark > > --- Risto Paalanen wrote: > > > 1) Pod Pro is a versatile box, but unfortunately a > > bit too sterile for > > my taste. I'd like to use something that responds > > more to the changes in > > style of play, preferably without lugging my > trusty > > Rivera around. > > www.luis-angulo.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mark_abayomi@walla.com Mon Jul 25 18:30:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from omail4.walla.co.il (omail4.walla.co.il [192.118.71.124]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067423BF50; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:30:25 +0300 Received: from ([80.88.157.150]) by omail4.walla.co.il ([192.118.71.124]) with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:30:25 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=6D=61=72=6B=20=61=62=61=79=6F=6D=69?= X-Sender: mark_abayomi@walla.com X-Originating-Email: [mark_abayomi@walla.com] X-Originating-IP: [80.88.157.150] Subject: 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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050725182609.71807.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps not, but it's easily fixed by routing the outputs to a Line6 Mod Pro and a Boss VF-1... oh yeah, and the Line6 Fuzzbox modeler in it's effects loop is also sweet... (the one thing I found lacking in the tonelab was good fuzzbox modeling) Mark --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > i hear you mark but it doesnt seem as flexible as > the > GT-8,but i couldnt coment on it since i havent been > able to try it. > 8sec looper yeah! > Luis > > --- mark sottilaro > wrote: > > > I'm a big fan of the Tonlab SE, as is fellow > looper > > Bill Walker. It take a pretty big footprint, but > > IMO > > it's worth it and you get 2 expression pedels. > You > > probably have some foot controller for the Pod, > no? > > I > > think the Tonelab has the best modeled sounds out > > there and you get an 8 sec looper built right in. > > Some of the shorter delays have great modeled > > functions where you get that crazy pitch/speed > shift > > when changing delay times like the good old BBDs. > > It's the only product I've tried that really feels > > like you have a bunch of great pedels hooked up to > a > > tube amp(s). > > > > Mark > > > > --- Risto Paalanen wrote: > > > > > 1) Pod Pro is a versatile box, but unfortunately > a > > > bit too sterile for > > > my taste. I'd like to use something that > responds > > > more to the changes in > > > style of play, preferably without lugging my > > trusty > > > Rivera around. > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 18:40:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCC983BF64; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050725184045.39293.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:40:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: SF looper seeks occasional sync buddy(s). To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2BEgVD.A.2SC.tIT5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Hey kids, it's been a long time coming but with my house finally set up and studio in operational condition, I've been thinking of inviting people over (or being invited) for looptime fun. (walk your lazy ass over Jon!) I'm in SF (outer Mission, but a nice 'hood) and I've been hanker'n for some human interaction. Nothing serious, but just some good time looping. I'm up for most styles of music, but you can here what I'm up to at: http://www.zerocrossing.net/music.html I'm usually free nights after 7 or weekend days. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 19:59:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 158783BF6F; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ogdnpUupdcUiQyRX115Wr2vvw1mBKUa9JIXiNScLXcsJRQhNYvEnQ3siNnNngE+f4HrCWeCRW6dT+zzhJiiH4pCTkE5LR5d/mpshEub0Ux8Foq8fhhJDmXtXhakfiNHbK4vyXgfbGcsbPdg16swIwzAxRzuGSg5EmzkEtNNZz0o= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:59:53 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: Joey To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Is there a looper living on Saturn :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <1EhgPB.A.yHF.6SU5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:59:55 +0000 (UTC) http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/multimedia/pia07966.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 20:15:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD5553BF6D; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:15:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050725201511.44925.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:15:11 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Drum-machine song construction tips? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002d01c58610$88e2f0a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:15:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi. I've been using drum machines for years, and for the last 12 or so I've synced audio loopers (Lexicon JamMan and Electrix Repeater) to them. It's always worked great (and still does) but I think I use my drum machines in a somewhat non traditional way. I use either a Korg Electribe ESX-1 or E-MU XL-7 to put together dense loops and then kind of randomly mute/unmute tracks while in song mode. The lack of traditional song structure is great for the way I like to improvise. Well, this weekend I decided to put together something with a more "pop" structure and I found the song modes on both the above drum machines to be SO awkward compared to a DAW like Digital Performer or Logic, I ended up with nothing. So, am I just spoiled by modern computer sequencing... or am I approaching the drum machine song construction in the wrong way? My idea is to avoid having to bring a laptop to gigs, but if it's going to be so much easier I'll do it. I can get around pretty quickly in Digital Performer 4... then I started to think "well if I'm bringing a laptop for sequencing, why not use it as a sound source as well?" The ESX-1 is a sampler and the XL-7 is a ROMpler so it's not like I'd have issues with a laptop not being able to have fast enough processors. So, if there's a song construction tip that you can think of, I'd love to hear it. If you've found a better tool that lets one work more intuitively, (the Electribe has a way better interface than the E-MU IMO) I'd like to hear that as well. If song construction in modern drum-machines is just a big pain compared to software, than I guess I'll abandon my little cute boxes for my current project. Thanks, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 20:30:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 248023BF79; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001f01c59157$d8742600$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> From: "Larry" To: References: <9e2a712405072412541378977d@mail.gmail.com> <90c0c8956eee36ada8a58dfe97ac8cae@suitandtieguy.com> <42E436F3.4040105@biink.com> Subject: Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp. Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:31:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:30:19 +0000 (UTC) > That's the one that's happening, yet extinct. I also prefer this Fripp too. I would add "pre-erzatz-Maoist-didact" to the first description too ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp. > Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > > > which fripp do you want to sound like? > > > > new wave suit-wearing proto-indie-rock primitive tape delay fripp > > That's the one that's happening, yet extinct. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 25 23:52:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DC093BF8D; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OpZ4sp4V0LDv22gE6zuPWBxzgv571N3M5tyA0AE14kLibQAKKXiYmySc1Mt+8zf0MYkVOUS1kS+awOOIouoxzF3UDTdAxNJrBTJneW8EjByxxsQuXVCfZS6UHzAhnKTp7Y4LeJE18ZPfcQMv9XGUJnYBW1/pl5UIy24MvPuozsw= Message-ID: <9e2a7124050725165235a11263@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:52:05 -0500 From: Michael Pregeant Reply-To: Michael Pregeant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp. In-Reply-To: <001f01c59157$d8742600$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e2a712405072412541378977d@mail.gmail.com> <90c0c8956eee36ada8a58dfe97ac8cae@suitandtieguy.com> <42E436F3.4040105@biink.com> <001f01c59157$d8742600$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Well what do you guys say to the following equipment list I have come up wi= th? [Rackmount Equipment] 2-Eventide H8000 Ultra-Harmonizer 1-TC Electronic G-Force 4-TC Electronic D-Two Multi-Tap Delay 2-Rocktron Voodu On-line tube guitar Preamps [Foot Pedals] 1-Roland GR-20 Guitar Synthisizer 1-Roland GR-33 Guitar Synth On 7/25/05, Larry wrote: > > That's the one that's happening, yet extinct. >=20 > I also prefer this Fripp too. >=20 > I would add "pre-erzatz-Maoist-didact" to the first description too ;-) >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Beardsley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp. >=20 >=20 > > Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > > > > > which fripp do you want to sound like? > > > > > > new wave suit-wearing proto-indie-rock primitive tape delay fripp > > > > That's the one that's happening, yet extinct. > > > > -- > > * David Beardsley > > * microtonal guitar > > * http://biink.com/db > > >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 00:12:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2ED13BF85; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E58005.4050508@biink.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:12:53 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Pregeant Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp. References: <9e2a712405072412541378977d@mail.gmail.com> <90c0c8956eee36ada8a58dfe97ac8cae@suitandtieguy.com> <42E436F3.4040105@biink.com> <001f01c59157$d8742600$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> <9e2a7124050725165235a11263@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e2a7124050725165235a11263@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1a5g5D.A.ouE.KAY5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Michael Pregeant wrote: >Well what do you guys say to the following equipment list I have come up with? > >[Rackmount Equipment] >2-Eventide H8000 Ultra-Harmonizer >1-TC Electronic G-Force >4-TC Electronic D-Two Multi-Tap Delay >2-Rocktron Voodu On-line tube guitar Preamps >[Foot Pedals] >1-Roland GR-20 Guitar Synthisizer >1-Roland GR-33 Guitar Synth > Can I borrow some money? Scratch that. Can you just give me some money? Preferably a lot. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 00:50:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 892893BF82; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:50:22 EDT Subject: Re: SF looper seeks occasional sync buddy(s). To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c4.2c14ba8a.3016e2ce_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:50:39 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c4.2c14ba8a.3016e2ce_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, In a message dated 7/25/05 11:40:55 AM, marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes: > http://www.zerocrossing.net/music.html >=20 I wish I didn't live so far away. I dig some of your new tracks up there,=20 especially "War WithOceania." Is that a Richard Burton clip from 1984? Cool!!! The other "Evangelical" and "Civil Defense Authority" verbal=20 components were waaaaay funny. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_c4.2c14ba8a.3016e2ce_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark,

In a message dated 7/25/05 11:40:55 AM, marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes:<= BR>
http://www.zerocrossi= ng.net/music.html

I wish I didn't live so far away. I dig some of your new tracks up there, especially "War WithOceania." Is that a Richard Burton clip from 1984?
Cool!!! The other "Evangelical" and "Civil Defense Authority" verbal
components were waaaaay funny.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_c4.2c14ba8a.3016e2ce_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 01:41:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAE6F3BF8F; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <42E436F3.4040105@biink.com> References: <9e2a712405072412541378977d@mail.gmail.com> <90c0c8956eee36ada8a58dfe97ac8cae@suitandtieguy.com> <42E436F3.4040105@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <38094ebede8801b80275feb196518e91@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp. Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:41:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:41:48 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 24, 2005, at 7:48 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > Suit & Tie Guy wrote: >> new wave suit-wearing proto-indie-rock primitive tape delay fripp > > That's the one that's happening, yet extinct. ha. i actually would prefer to see new wave new york fripp sound like cranky old fripp on the ambient stuff and young angry fripp on rock stuff. am i talking about dr who or king crimson? does robert fripp regenerate when the actor playing him quits? anyone ever seen Fripp's livejournal?: http://www.livejournal.com/users/robert_fripp/ --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 01:48:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB38C3BF8E; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6a04bab8e5c77c56711e0c872d21a2cc@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp. Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:48:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <2DFIpD.A.jfH.GaZ5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Michael Pregeant wrote: > Well what do you guys say to the following equipment list I have come > up with? > [Rackmount Equipment] > 2-Eventide H8000 Ultra-Harmonizer > 1-TC Electronic G-Force > 4-TC Electronic D-Two Multi-Tap Delay > 2-Rocktron Voodu On-line tube guitar Preamps > [Foot Pedals] > 1-Roland GR-20 Guitar Synthisizer > 1-Roland GR-33 Guitar Synth 2 things: a) you will not sound anything like robert fripp with that setup. b) that's a lot of money. perhaps you should listen to what 80s new wave Fripp said about "small, mobile, and intelligent" before following cranky old Fripp into the hitherto-unoccupied-by-those-who-were-not-Berlin-School area of ambient gear bloat. i mean, i guess i did have to learn how to sound like "God save the queen" before i could sound like "That which passes". with a keyboard. hopefully i'll have my own sound. until then the Fripp pastiches continue: http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sounds/stg_acceptance_early.mp3 --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 01:49:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C36E93BF9C; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=R3ilBb4wOo87JT373QXFbpFMAiNJary8OP2G/zsucNOtHPWS6Dy7KdkQGce0x9APi9QQm9VtHoUQf8PpQwuUAY5ZixUwtr0o/7n/4H5l3GagQq4xncY2ZoHEVpH6Oq+bTYSerqMKiS7D0suHooIQ9dGCLEzcOj6NmM33bxYoMLU= ; Message-ID: <20050726014920.69939.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050725201511.44925.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:49:21 +0000 (UTC) No doubt computers are more flexible,but have u tried the mpc1000?i love the feel of its pads, it syncs great to the EDP,and usb transfer is wonderful,you can also go to their web and download all the classic drum machine sounds like the linn drum,Acetone and all the vintage obscure beat boxes!i just wish they would have given it more memory...but i have to get a dedicated midi foot controller for it to mess with the different midi functions it offers,track mute,next sequence, etc.song mode can be very useful but i dont like to be following a machine,so track muting and next sequence seem to be more intuitive live. I am curious how bands like Rush,Bowie etc. are working nowdays, Peter Gabriel has a buch of laptops on stage and he certainly does it very clever! Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Hi. > > I've been using drum machines for years, and for the > last 12 or so I've synced audio loopers (Lexicon > JamMan and Electrix Repeater) to them. It's always > worked great (and still does) but I think I use my > drum machines in a somewhat non traditional way. I > use either a Korg Electribe ESX-1 or E-MU XL-7 to > put > together dense loops and then kind of randomly > mute/unmute tracks while in song mode. The lack of > traditional song structure is great for the way I > like > to improvise. > > Well, this weekend I decided to put together > something > with a more "pop" structure and I found the song > modes > on both the above drum machines to be SO awkward > compared to a DAW like Digital Performer or Logic, I > ended up with nothing. > > So, am I just spoiled by modern computer > sequencing... > or am I approaching the drum machine song > construction > in the wrong way? My idea is to avoid having to > bring > a laptop to gigs, but if it's going to be so much > easier I'll do it. I can get around pretty quickly > in > Digital Performer 4... then I started to think "well > if I'm bringing a laptop for sequencing, why not use > it as a sound source as well?" The ESX-1 is a > sampler > and the XL-7 is a ROMpler so it's not like I'd have > issues with a laptop not being able to have fast > enough processors. > > So, if there's a song construction tip that you can > think of, I'd love to hear it. If you've found a > better tool that lets one work more intuitively, > (the > Electribe has a way better interface than the E-MU > IMO) I'd like to hear that as well. If song > construction in modern drum-machines is just a big > pain compared to software, than I guess I'll abandon > my little cute boxes for my current project. > > Thanks, > > Mark > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 02:48:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C4333BF98; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=IWx+lxMQZr5QV1IrjZoozyGj7k260tgqV+nRJ01H6oVBQOnxA6VXFBT2L4cuNA5DB8Nvpt+vqPoycfBxPCnGhGGLu4SPBZ/0812Pe58QcCZ2t/c+LzzJJEhn3+T4BAUOqIPgzyF+0AYPqYd7wYGRiAnyxwIQSUGRjw8115Pz0wg= Message-ID: <9e2a712405072519485b1262a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:48:04 -0500 From: Michael Pregeant Reply-To: Michael Pregeant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: TC Electronics: Old vs New. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:48:31 +0000 (UTC) I've been looking around at different delay units, new and old.. and am trying to find a good unit that is rackmount and is going to give me the delay I need for Soundscapes. I've found a few that are interesting, but for rackmount, I really prefer TC Electronics, so, that means that it's come down to the D-Two and the 2290. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. For instance, the 2290 is rare and often expensive to buy. The D-two is a mere 500 bucks.. I can easily get 4 of them or so pretty fast. But sound quality is my main focus.. am I going to be better off music wise getting the new unit, or the 2290. Please fill me in on the specs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 02:56:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5C933BFA1; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006a01c5918d$b404d900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Drum-machine song construction tips? Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:57:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Hey Mark, I already posted this reply to the same question you posted at the Drum Machine 4.0 tribe at tribe.net but I thought the answer might be efficacious for other drum machine programmers here at L.D. So sorry for the redundancy. ******************************* From the drum machine programs I heard you perform, Mark it sounded like you were trying to compose with drum sounds as opposed to writing things that an actual drummer would play. I thought your programming was really interesting and your sound choice excellent for what it's worth. I think this is a very valid approach, aesthetically but it is not really groove oriented or necessarily what an acoustic trapset drummer would play. No judgement either way. Some of my favorite drum machine programmers purposefully eschew sounding like a real drummer. Groove oriented drummers think very simply and for good reason: their job (when they are good enough that people will pay them a lot of money for what they do) is to serve the song and provide a minimalistic enough foundation so that the composer/songwriter has a lot of room to move over the top of it; both melodically, harmonically and timbrally. How I think as a drummer is to come up with a simple and distinctive drum groove that I try to play. Frequently that may be a one bar groove but a lot of times I may compose a two or four bar groove that has slight variations in it. I consider any single variation from a repeated pattern, whether an AAAA form or a more complicated ABAC ABAD form to be a 'fill' and I tend to only use fills in a ration of 1/8 or more frequently 1/16 when I'm playing (especially if I'm recording a record for someone). Frequently , I will even take the 'linear rhythm' which is the combined syncopative quality of all the parts played in a piece and I will make the fill play that exact rhythm-----this creates what I call a 'groove fill' or a fill that pushes the forward momentum of the piece. A wild fill that radically differs from the "linear rhythm' of the piece will be distracting frequently. I also think very seriously about whether a drummer would actually be able to play a fill that I program. As an example, if you are playing 16th notes on a hihat with a backbeat on snare on beats 2 and 4, DON"T put a hihat note on 2 and 4. It's not physically possible for a drummer to play a hi hat on beats 2 and 4 at a higher speed. Towards this end, go out and watch a good 'pocket' funk or soul drummer play and watch what they do physically. You don't want to be doing melodic tom fills that are physically impossible to play by a human being. We unconciously 'hear' this when people program ineffectively. I always use very simple song forms when providing variation in a drum groove: AAAB, AABA, ABAC, ABCB, for example, if I am writing a four bar groove. This comes from a very Afro-centric orientation which is the basis of most trapset groove playing (pre Drum and Bass and Glitch styles). The Afro-centric approach is very call and response or response and call oriented. Because drum machines lack 'energy' or a human feel, programmers frequently feel the need to make their patterns more complicated so that 'something happens'. Oddly enough, I have found that the opposite approach is more effective...............I think it is much stronger to make the groove as simple as effective in conveyng the kind of feel you want to get across and then build the 'human' qualities into the upper voices (or bass voice). In many pop groups this is what the drummer does anyway. Also, because drum machines lack 'energy' frequently mixers pull them down in the mix. I, again, have found the opposite approach works better. I actually will mix a drum machine in a piece louder than I would as a compensation for lack of energy. I'd say in general, don't be afraid to use the machine as a trance element..............extremeley minimalistic with really nice choice of sounds (also beware of huge kick drum sounds that mask, timbrally with big subsonic bass guitar or synth tones). Let me know if any of this is helpful or it you'd like more suggestions. Also, for what it is worth, I teach a four hour (spread over four weeks, one hour a week) course called the Rhythm Instensive that is designed for instrumentalists to understand how rhythm works effectively in arrangement. This course is tailor made for people who want to program drum machines and program bass lines for their pieces. good luck, R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 03:29:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC7C63BF9E; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aTrEbhmN2CZ51KBt9HuNYSAKcSdozY+kFuDaRlSlRXPhs8i+KFWEDAgsbgO19OhL3IugdUVZafp6AyLFyPIR/Q1lOsr09SgZQP/7eDxbDQTVeKeDG+e/c+p8kLL7emGg31BANF39hQm0975q/jFJg6D0nOOFWSS1ck4r58grhDA= ; Message-ID: <20050726032951.76735.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: masterin: was -- Re: 10 new pieces posted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001201c59124$4c689660$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:29:52 +0000 (UTC) David thanx mate indeed very good! cheers Luis --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > A few articles that talk about mastering that may be > interesting to you. > > Mastering From the Trenches > By Myles Boisen - Feb 1, 2005 12:00 PM > http://emusician.com/mag/emusic_mastering_trenches/ > > > Mastering Your Music > Why You Need it, Where to Get it, and How to Make > the Most of it. > by The G-Man - NARIP.com and Immedia Wire Service, > Posted Jan. 2004 > http://www.musicbizacademy.com/articles/gman_mastering.htm > > > STROTHER BULLINS discusses various aspects of > mastering with five > accomplished engineers, located in five different, > bustling markets. > http://www.audiomedia.com/redesign-2003/regional-issues/issue-usa/2003/2003-09/html/us-0903-masteringminds/0903-masteringminds.htm > > Enjoy! > > David Kirkdorffer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: 10 new pieces posted > > > > Great tip Per! ive been wanting to get more into > > mastering as well and expand which ive been doing > with > > my limited capabilities, do you have any good > links or > > recomended reading? i sometimes get lost in the > > terminology though so if you have a comprehensive > > online audio glossary id appreciated as well! > > thanx > > Luis > > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > > > On Jul 25, 2005, at 14:21, Ben wrote: > > > > > > > I like the compo but.. what a sound Per! I'm > sure > > > the DVD will be > > > > astounding! > > > > > > > > Ben. > > > > > > > > > Thanks. One "trick" I used, that made the sound > > > clearer and gave a > > > better stereo definition, was the classic > mastering > > > with phase/ > > > stereo inversion. It may be off topic for this > list, > > > but here's a > > > short description: > > > > > > 1. Make three clones of the stereo mix file (or > > > three mixer busses if > > > you want to work directly with streaming audio). > > > 2. Phase invert clone one, stereo swap clone > tweo > > > and send them to be > > > summed on a bus. If you listen only to that bus > now > > > you should hear > > > some crappy sounding audio with a "hole in the > > > center" stereo. > > > 3. Make clone three mono and send it to a second > > > bus. > > > 4. When listening only to these two busses, > blend > > > them and "repair" > > > the whole in the center with the mono bus. Also > try > > > different > > > compression and filtering of the two busses. > Mess > > > around with levels, > > > compression and filtering until the sum of the > two > > > busses (the master > > > output) sounds right. > > > > > > I was truly amazed on how much there is to > achieve > > > from this > > > mastering method, speaking about "appeared sound > > > quality" Mixes > > > mastered in this way can achieve a wide stereo > > > spread while still > > > play back with the correct levels on a mono > system. > > > You should check > > > mono compatibility all through the mastering > > > process. > > > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > > > Per Boysen > > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home > page > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 03:33:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1C483BFA8; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oBCS3kVu5jq84OQk9wraiI9HM8vEVE5P3d/4d2z8nVVmJ0TidnwAl1gr1eg8g01OMB5LYgS0N/FMykYWr44/rqDxeCF/0WRrOP/ke3VRIR4k+ZqKe2TaoK14MqFsJYWNMnBuPZeMhjoSJUQArDWMjzJ+O1Yi76U0paL1SFlnHVU= Message-ID: <64b81a780507252033579f1b35@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:33:40 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? In-Reply-To: <006a01c5918d$b404d900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <006a01c5918d$b404d900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Great post. Thanks. I know this will help me when sequencing drum patterns. Drumming is something I tend to do instinctively (and I'm happy to leave it that way), but when it comes to sequencing drum parts I always feel a bit out of my element. Your post will certainly give me something to chew on. :) --Todd On 7/25/05, loop.pool wrote: > Hey Mark, >=20 > I already posted this reply to the same question you posted at the Drum > Machine 4.0 tribe at tribe.net > but I thought the answer might be efficacious for other drum machine > programmers here at L.D. > So sorry for the redundancy. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 03:49:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44E0A3BFAE; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lwY83EMwXoYH2WZIeohF3frxwH5BapY33UOUwlTW3xcdxo0fbWQhiEtvL8l5wuEbHABdt+cnxMkj8S5nftV/sn4rj81X/NxIIaxpJsI0cjO69kcf3T9FBiZC1YHPhuPw9go/zEuP5ZvSAGEvqpxBoeoZpu3m39tQuzKIHJIcSys= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:49:48 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tone for guitar - was Re: re:delurking (lifeless guitar tone) (for loops?) In-Reply-To: <002101c59134$436756e0$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050725160640.36423.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002101c59134$436756e0$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Ah, the Mike Oldfield/Lindsay Buckingham tone... On 7/25/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > =20 > I'm so iching to get into a recording studio and plug my guitar directly > into the board and to overdrive some inputs to get a nice, hairy, raw, > fritzy-crip sound. 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----2Fk6mRI0OWDipLOqi6Td-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 08:34:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CB483BFA4; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050726014920.69939.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050726014920.69939.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:34:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <3VQ0Y.A.6mB.tWf5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:34:53 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 26, 2005, at 3:49, L. Angulo wrote: > > I am curious how bands like Rush,Bowie etc. are > working nowdays, Peter Gabriel has a buch of laptops > on stage and he certainly does it very clever! > Luis When Gabriel played here in Sweden it looked like they were running Logic on those lappies. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 09:01:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F0183BF93; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1122368503.42e5fbf770d27@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:01:43 +0200 From: ml@dadaprod.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? References: <20050726014920.69939.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 194.153.110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:01:46 +0000 (UTC) > > When Gabriel played here in Sweden it looked like they were running > Logic on those lappies. > How do you succeed to synchronise with the computer. As far as I understood, the EDP can synchrinise with a midi signal.. I am using the original version of the boomerang, I haven't found any solution? except not using a computer, or times to times sampling the audio output of a drum machine (or cd player) in ordr to add different digital signal to my loops.. then everything is in mono, which is not gorgious, but it's the only way i found.. Can someone confirm me that the EDP is not more commercialised? (that's what I've been told in a music gear shop in Paris..) cheers sonic steph From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 09:19:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16D353BFBC; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050726101353.02dc4140@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:15:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: It's not Purple, it bloody does In-Reply-To: <20050726005039.DC1923BF90@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050726005039.DC1923BF90@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3Tpx1B.A.zGD.wAg5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:19:44 +0000 (UTC) >that's interesting >jam-man certainly doesn't receive midi clock in the Echo mode, > >.................so what do you mean?<< > >erm.... what I said.... my guitarist bought a jam-man in 1995, & we >bought a second unit in 1997, & they both take midi-clock to >synchronise either the looping or the delay modes. I have a number >of album releases I could point you at where this is demonstrated.... > >so I have no idea what yours is doing, but ours does! cool, any chance you could describe how you sync your JamMan to incoming Midi clock? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 09:30:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F1413BFC2; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007801c591c4$a93864b0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20050725184045.39293.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: SF looper seeks occasional sync buddy(s). Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:30:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Mark, your "A_Catalog_of_Conquests" is simply wonderfull ! fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: SF looper seeks occasional sync buddy(s). > Hey kids, > > it's been a long time coming but with my house finally > set up and studio in operational condition, I've been > thinking of inviting people over (or being invited) > for looptime fun. (walk your lazy ass over Jon!) I'm > in SF (outer Mission, but a nice 'hood) and I've been > hanker'n for some human interaction. Nothing serious, > but just some good time looping. I'm up for most > styles of music, but you can here what I'm up to at: > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/music.html > > I'm usually free nights after 7 or weekend days. > > Mark > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 11:02:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80D9B3BFAD; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: Drum-machine song construction tips? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:07:45 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000f01c591d2$4002c450$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <1122368503.42e5fbf770d27@ssl0.ovh.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2G4RIC.A.s7F.dhh5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:02:54 +0000 (UTC) > > How do you succeed to synchronise with the computer. As far > as I understood, the > EDP can synchrinise with a midi signal.. I am using the > original version of the > boomerang, I haven't found any solution? except not using a > computer, or times > to times sampling the audio output of a drum machine (or cd > player) in ordr to > add different digital signal to my loops.. then everything is > in mono, which is > not gorgious, but it's the only way i found.. > > Can someone confirm me that the EDP is not more > commercialised? (that's what > I've been told in a music gear shop in Paris..) > > cheers > > sonic steph The Boomerang won't synch to MIDI and the EDP is mono (unless you can afford two) so you might want to checkout the Repeater - although availablity may also be an issue there. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 11:19:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 633163BFB1; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E61C2F.50007@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:19:11 +0100 From: Steve Lawson Reply-To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Loop List Subject: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Right, I'm experimenting with the idea of shifting my loopage over to a mac laptop, and am looking for echoplex emulation, or something close. Has anyone tried running Mobius with virtual PC? Are the mobius people planning on a mac version? It's such an amazing program, and would be ideal, but I've got an ibook... Please feel free to just suggest keywords for me to search the archive, if I've missed this discussion recently - I'll have a browse anyway. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net (upcoming gigs - Guildford, Berwick On Tweed and Edinburgh Festival Fringe - see site for details) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/53 - Release Date: 20/07/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 11:27:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A86633BFC0; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1122377247!22951388!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2F4@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Drum-machine song construction tips? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:27:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C591D4.FE9AA890" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:27:30 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C591D4.FE9AA890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>So, if there's a song construction tip that you can think of, I'd love to hear it.<< I know what you mean. I've spent a lot of time lately trying to help the other half with her cubase & logic songwriting, & somehow having the whole thing laid out in front of you in a linear fashion seems somehow helpful. what I used to do, at the height of my alesis programming powers about 15 years back, was write patterns into my hr16 & mmt8 which were odd numbers of steps long. thus, if the bulk of the song was in 8's or 16's, I'd put in a 3-beat pattern for a breakdown or something. come to think of it, I used to write songs on a tb303 like this too. I used to cover sheets & sheets of paper with notes about which pattern was doing what, trying to keep the two or three boxes synchronised. sometimes I'd be doing this with a code-track off of my cassette portastudio, which didn't have song-pointers...... listening to that stuff back now, I had a tendency towards some really complex arrangements.. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>So, if there's a song construction tip that you c= an think of, I'd love to hear it.<<

I know what you mean. I've spent a lot of time lately try= ing to help the other half with her cubase & logic songwriting, & s= omehow having the whole thing laid out in front of you in a linear fashion = seems somehow helpful.

what I used to do, at the height of my alesis programming= powers about 15 years back, was write patterns into my hr16 & mmt8 whi= ch were odd numbers of steps long.

thus, if the bulk of the song was in 8's or 16's, I'd put= in a 3-beat pattern for a breakdown or something. come to think of it, I u= sed to write songs on a tb303 like this too. I used to cover sheets & s= heets of paper with notes about which pattern was doing what, trying to kee= p the two or three boxes synchronised. sometimes I'd be doing this with a c= ode-track off of my cassette portastudio, which didn't have song-pointers..= ....

listening to that stuff back now, I had a tendency toward= s some really complex arrangements..

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C591D4.FE9AA890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 13:13:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CD2A3BF96; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1122383634.42e63712e0b0f@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:13:54 +0200 From: ml@dadaprod.org To: Loop List Subject: Re: Echoplex-style functionality on a Pc? References: <42E61C2F.50007@steve-lawson.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <42E61C2F.50007@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 194.153.110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:13:50 +0000 (UTC) >Has anyone tried running Mobius with virtual PC? > Has anyone on this list using Mobius for live performance? I would be glad to hear that a software would be used, rather than a very expensive rack.. (of course if you already got one Pc..). What kind of foot rank could be used with? cheers stéphane -- http://brazil.dadaprod.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 13:53:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E8A83BF92; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <1122368503.42e5fbf770d27@ssl0.ovh.net> References: <20050726014920.69939.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> <1122368503.42e5fbf770d27@ssl0.ovh.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <600E0BD1-33C9-410D-9B65-C931B161D98A@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:53:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:53:16 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 26, 2005, at 11:01, ml@dadaprod.org wrote: >> >> When Gabriel played here in Sweden it looked like they were running >> Logic on those lappies. >> > > How do you succeed to synchronise with the computer. As far as I > understood, the > EDP can synchrinise with a midi signal.. I am using the original > version of the > boomerang, I haven't found any solution? except not using a > computer, or times > to times sampling the audio output of a drum machine (or cd player) > in ordr to > add different digital signal to my loops.. then everything is in > mono, which is > not gorgious, but it's the only way i found.. > > Can someone confirm me that the EDP is not more commercialised? > (that's what > I've been told in a music gear shop in Paris..) MIDI Clock is a good way to syncronize looping devices. "Playing in time" is a good way to syncronize human musicians. The EDP also has Brother Sync that I have found very smart for syncing two or more EDP's. A brother synced EDP can still send out MIDI Clock to have other devices sync to it locally. Like if you play an EDP synced to other musicians EDP's you may keep a drum machine or laptop that follows your EDP. If you double the tempo of your EDP - in relation the brother sync system - your local stuff will follow into the double tempo. I don't know if Gabriels band were using some kind of external sync. Maybe they only used the lappies as sound modules? Peter also used his for displaying in phonetics how to pronounce certain lines in Swedish that he amused us with between songs ;-) ( horrible accent BTW!!! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 14:15:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF22C3BFAF; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1122387339!22462351!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2F9@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: jam-man echo mode Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:15:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C591EC.7E5B28E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:15:43 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C591EC.7E5B28E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I've just emailed my guitarist for confirmation, since you've now got me doubting my own sanity.... :-) but actually I'm absolutely certain that both our jam-mans work in this manner. the cleaner the clock, the better it works, so we usually have a korg es-1 as the master clock for the whole live rig, & this is "thru'd" using a 4-output through-box. one output is dedicated to the jam-man over on the guitarist's side of the stage, & we use a 30' midi cable for this purpose. sometimes he puts black tape over the tempo indicator because it's midi-detection mode is a bit off-putting. the only time the first of our jam-men has misbehaved was when we took it to the US; the 110V psu I had wasn't quite butch enough & the thing kept restarting. the midi-synced echo is our most frequently used effect, guitar-wise, enabling all sorts of brian may impressions over the sequencer lines coming from a p3 &/or a doepfer maq. if you turn the feedback up to 16, it stops the echoes decaying & you're more or less back in looping mode. I don't know what else I can add. -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 26 July 2005 10:15 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: It's not Purple, it bloody does >that's interesting >jam-man certainly doesn't receive midi clock in the Echo mode, > >.................so what do you mean?<< > >erm.... what I said.... my guitarist bought a jam-man in 1995, & we >bought a second unit in 1997, & they both take midi-clock to >synchronise either the looping or the delay modes. I have a number >of album releases I could point you at where this is demonstrated.... > >so I have no idea what yours is doing, but ours does! cool, any chance you could describe how you sync your JamMan to incoming Midi clock? andy *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C591EC.7E5B28E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: jam-man echo mode

I've just emailed my guitarist for confirmation, since yo= u've now got me doubting my own sanity.... :-)
but actually I'm absolutely certain that both our jam-ma= ns work in this manner.

the cleaner the clock, the better it works, so we usually= have a korg es-1 as the master clock for the whole live rig, & this is= "thru'd" using a 4-output through-box. one output is dedicated t= o the jam-man over on the guitarist's side of the stage, & we use a 30'= midi cable for this purpose. sometimes he puts black tape over the tempo i= ndicator because it's midi-detection mode is a bit off-putting.

the only time the first of our jam-men has misbehaved was= when we took it to the US; the 110V psu I had wasn't quite butch enough &a= mp; the thing kept restarting.

the midi-synced echo is our most frequently used effect, = guitar-wise, enabling all sorts of brian may impressions over the sequencer= lines coming from a p3 &/or a doepfer maq. if you turn the feedback up= to 16, it stops the echoes decaying & you're more or less back in loop= ing mode.

I don't know what else I can add.

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From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]
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>that's interesting
>jam-man certainly doesn't receive midi clock in the = Echo mode,
>
>.................so what do you mean?<<
>
>erm.... what I said.... my guitarist bought a jam-ma= n in 1995, & we
>bought a second unit in 1997, & they both take m= idi-clock to
>synchronise either the looping or the delay modes. I= have a number
>of album releases I could point you at where this is= demonstrated....
>
>so I have no idea what yours is doing, but ours does= !

cool,
any chance you could describe how you sync your JamMan t= o incoming Midi clock?

andy



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C591EC.7E5B28E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 14:26:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77DCB3BFAA; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:26:13 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? In-reply-to: <42E61C2F.50007@steve-lawson.co.uk> To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk Cc: Loop List Message-id: <42E64805.4040606@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <42E61C2F.50007@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Steve Lawson wrote: > Right, I'm experimenting with the idea of shifting my loopage over to a > mac laptop, and am looking for echoplex emulation, or something close. > Has anyone tried running Mobius with virtual PC? Are the mobius people > planning on a mac version? OS emulators usually have a hard time with programs that use low level interfaces to devices like MIDI and audio. I haven't used Virtual PC, but I doubt Mobius would run on it. The Mobius People (well, me anyway :-) recently purchased a Mac Mini and have been doing some experiments, but no real porting work has begun. There are a few areas of missing functionality I'd like to finish first (synchronization, interface mode, loop windowing). Currently the closest thing to an EDP on the Mac is SooperLooper at essej.net/sooperlooper. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 14:31:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01A7A3BFB5; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:31:38 -0400 Subject: Lex JamMan problems From: Paul Poplawski To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8e0ZlB.A.gRH.Tlk5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:31:47 +0000 (UTC) I have an original Jamman ... I am beginning to get chaos in the display with loop counts etc etc constantly changing .. I have no control over the unit at these times. Though intermittent it's not a chance I can take when I depend on it so much. Has anyone had this difficulty and is Lex still servicing the unit. thanks Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 15:11:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADECF3BFB3; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Chris Squire - the Fish Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:11:21 +0000 Message-Id: <072620051511.3992.42E652990008C80900000F9821979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:11:25 +0000 (UTC) I was just listening to Yes' "Fragile" album this morning and thinking that "The Fish" would lend itself to looping with bass and vocals. Anyone done this? Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 15:12:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF0BF3BF7A; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E652C6.8090803@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:12:06 +0100 From: "steve@steve-lawson.co.uk" Reply-To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Jeff Larson Cc: Loop List Subject: Re: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? References: <42E61C2F.50007@steve-lawson.co.uk> <42E64805.4040606@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <42E64805.4040606@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <0WAg6.A.0UB.FLl5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, I've got the pc version of mobius, and am very impressed with it - you've done a great job, and I look forward to when you release a mac version! I'll see if I can get sooperlooper, and maybe try Per's solution with Ableton Live 5 - I can get it fairly cheap as an upgrade from a delta version I have that came with my soundcard... Using Live as a VST host certainly seemed like a great solutiong anyway, given the fantastic routing capabilities. changing pitch is not a biggie for me, as much as being able to post process the loops in interesting ways, if Ableton puts each one in a different channel, that's OK, so long as I can route the channels to the same aux for group processing... This is going to be a fun project, with a steep learning curve! Steve www.stevelawson.net Jeff Larson wrote: > Steve Lawson wrote: > >> Right, I'm experimenting with the idea of shifting my loopage over to >> a mac laptop, and am looking for echoplex emulation, or something >> close. Has anyone tried running Mobius with virtual PC? Are the >> mobius people planning on a mac version? > > > OS emulators usually have a hard time with programs that use low level > interfaces to devices like MIDI and audio. I haven't used Virtual PC, > but I doubt Mobius would run on it. > > The Mobius People (well, me anyway :-) recently purchased a Mac Mini > and have been doing some experiments, but no real porting work has begun. > There are a few areas of missing functionality I'd like to finish first > (synchronization, interface mode, loop windowing). > > Currently the closest thing to an EDP on the Mac is SooperLooper > at essej.net/sooperlooper. > > Jeff > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/53 - Release Date: 20/07/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 15:43:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29A943BFBB; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tq8yFhakGhWI89V0TLyMZtVMFaYdt1KRYeOBpYn7aENcYT0lhu/3SgzrjQYP6ejS2q9JDozXsVXVrX3jgrkvuq82CLzunydRPE/ADz9cxidWiQviC0iXVakgi92/4pMnhZ+9+0CjU2mi7BX4qHjm3H5E+bCur+L4EOxzcQC1ZIE= Message-ID: <2fb9e47305072608434bdeeb37@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:43:22 -0400 From: Clint Allen Reply-To: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chris Squire - the Fish In-Reply-To: <072620051511.3992.42E652990008C80900000F9821979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2224_19828466.1122392602601" References: <072620051511.3992.42E652990008C80900000F9821979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:43:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2224_19828466.1122392602601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Actually, I've been looping "The Fish" a lot lately. 2 bars of the EADG=20 harmonics first, then open E triplet next, the harmonics again but this tim= e=20 with a bit of wah, and then going from there. I must say that I have a lot= =20 of fun with it. I use my 4001 and get a fairly good approximation (at least= =20 to my ear) Mark, you should try it on Stick and then post it to us on Stickwire.=20 Clint Allen http://www.clintallen.com On 7/26/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: >=20 > I was just listening to Yes' "Fragile" album this morning and thinking > that "The Fish" would lend itself to looping with bass and vocals. Anyone= =20 > done > this? >=20 > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net >=20 > ------=_Part_2224_19828466.1122392602601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Actually, I've been looping "The Fish" a lot lately. 2 bars of th= e EADG harmonics first, then open E triplet next, the harmonics again but this time with a bit of wah, and then going from there. I must say that I have a lot of fun with it. I use my 4001 and get a fairly good approximation (at least to my ear)

Mark, you should try it on Stick and then post it to us on Stickwire.

Clint Allen
 http://www.clintallen.com

On 7/26/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com<= /b> <mwsmart@insightbb.com&= gt; wrote:
I was just= listening to Yes' "Fragile" album this morning and thinking
t= hat "The Fish" would lend itself to looping with bass and vocals.= Anyone done
this?

Mark Smart
http://= www.marksmart.net


------=_Part_2224_19828466.1122392602601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 15:47:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 251B73BFBE; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <42E61C2F.50007@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <42E61C2F.50007@steve-lawson.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <06fbc4d88c3a16734ec9cfff755c54cd@audiodamage.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Loop List From: Chris Randall Subject: Re: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:47:00 -0700 To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: chris@audiodamage.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Hey, Steve (and interested parties): You might want to have a look at our VST plug-in, Ronin. It is available for both OSX and Windows, and seems to have what you're after. It includes two analog-style delays, two multimode filters, two saturation stages, and two LFOs, and is fully modular. The delays pitch when the time is changed in proper tape/bucket-brigade delay fashion, and can be looped and reversed. (Tempo sync is available as well, of course.) Both the audio path and the control path can be routed however you want, via an EMS-style matrix patch panel. Have a look at http://www.audiodamage.com/l33t/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=7 Ronin is only US$69.00, and you can download a manual and demo from that page. Basically our stock in trade is pitch-shifting, looping, and delay. We're a rather Looper-friendly company. ;-) Chris Randall Audio Damage, Inc. http://www.audiodamage.com On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:19 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: > Right, I'm experimenting with the idea of shifting my loopage over to > a mac laptop, and am looking for echoplex emulation, or something > close. Has anyone tried running Mobius with virtual PC? Are the mobius > people planning on a mac version? It's such an amazing program, and > would be ideal, but I've got an ibook... > > Please feel free to just suggest keywords for me to search the > archive, if I've missed this discussion recently - I'll have a browse > anyway. > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net > (upcoming gigs - Guildford, Berwick On Tweed and Edinburgh Festival > Fringe - see site for details) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 16:13:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD5873BFC7; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E66147.7090301@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:13:59 +0100 From: "steve@steve-lawson.co.uk" Reply-To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Loop List Subject: Re: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? References: <42E61C2F.50007@steve-lawson.co.uk> <42E64805.4040606@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <42E64805.4040606@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:13:56 +0000 (UTC) can anyone get the sooperlooper page to open? I can't, and really want to check it out. Is it a freeware thing, or a money one? If it's freeware, can someone email me offlist about sending me the Mac version... :o) Ta! Steve www.stevelawson.net > Currently the closest thing to an EDP on the Mac is SooperLooper > at essej.net/sooperlooper. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/53 - Release Date: 20/07/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 16:31:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CEB73BF37; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:31:29 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Echoplex-style functionality on a Pc? In-reply-to: <1122383634.42e63712e0b0f@ssl0.ovh.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42E66561.8070300@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <42E61C2F.50007@steve-lawson.co.uk> <1122383634.42e63712e0b0f@ssl0.ovh.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:31:34 +0000 (UTC) > Has anyone on this list using Mobius for live performance? I'm aware of two brave people that use Mobius live occasionally, they can tell their own stories if they wish. But in all honesty, I see Mobius as more of a studio wanking tool than a live performance tool at this moment. The beta testers have been very helpful and supportive but like all complicated immature software it has bugs. It is picky about VST hosts, and depending on how you loop it can be a CPU hog and won't play well with other CPU intensive plugins. If you stick to the basic functions it is reasonably stable. Just don't try anything live without first practicing it in the studio and have a backup strategy ready if you need to reboot. > What kind of foot rank could be used with? Almost everyone uses the FCB1010. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 16:39:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6DAD3BFD7; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:41:37 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? To: mark sottilaro , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009501c59201$08a3c3e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050725201511.44925.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Hey Mark, and all rhythmatists, I've been pretty jazzed on the Zoom RT-223. It's been out about 6 months, I got one to demo a couple weeks ago, and I haven't turned on my Alesis HR-16 since. The long skinny: * 3 banks of 13 sounds = 39 sounds per drum set * great and varied sounds. Natural sets, in-yer-face sets, a bunch of _vocal_ hip-hop sounds (y'know, spit-in-a-mic stuff), dumbeks, djembes, tabla (sorry, no whummmp bass glissando tone but plenty of nice clicky attacks and other drums have excellent bass resonances), gamelan, temple bells, sound effects... and three octaves of bass/synth tones! * assignable effects including reverbs, delays (up to 600ms), flangers, phasers, lo-fi, compression, distortion, etc. * pads feel G_R_E_A_T! (those friggin' Alesis pads were like hitting mah jong tiles!) * of particular note to Mr. Sottilaro, you can assign different patterns to different pads and trigger up to four patterns at one time, always in sync to whatever level of quantization you choose to define. So you can prepare thirteen patterns in one "song," and start/stop patterns as your mood dictates. * tres portable. runs on batteries or wall wart. about the size of a paperback. *midi in. stereo out. seperate headphone out. basically this thing is like the poor man's Boss DR-880. About $175 US. more info: http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1814&brandID=4#servsupport Yours in the rhythm of life, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Drum-machine song construction tips? > Hi. > > I've been using drum machines for years, and for the > last 12 or so I've synced audio loopers (Lexicon > JamMan and Electrix Repeater) to them. It's always > worked great (and still does) but I think I use my > drum machines in a somewhat non traditional way. I > use either a Korg Electribe ESX-1 or E-MU XL-7 to put > together dense loops and then kind of randomly > mute/unmute tracks while in song mode. The lack of > traditional song structure is great for the way I like > to improvise. > > Well, this weekend I decided to put together something > with a more "pop" structure and I found the song modes > on both the above drum machines to be SO awkward > compared to a DAW like Digital Performer or Logic, I > ended up with nothing. > > So, am I just spoiled by modern computer sequencing... > or am I approaching the drum machine song construction > in the wrong way? My idea is to avoid having to bring > a laptop to gigs, but if it's going to be so much > easier I'll do it. I can get around pretty quickly in > Digital Performer 4... then I started to think "well > if I'm bringing a laptop for sequencing, why not use > it as a sound source as well?" The ESX-1 is a sampler > and the XL-7 is a ROMpler so it's not like I'd have > issues with a laptop not being able to have fast > enough processors. > > So, if there's a song construction tip that you can > think of, I'd love to hear it. If you've found a > better tool that lets one work more intuitively, (the > Electribe has a way better interface than the E-MU > IMO) I'd like to hear that as well. If song > construction in modern drum-machines is just a big > pain compared to software, than I guess I'll abandon > my little cute boxes for my current project. > > Thanks, > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 16:53:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B66AA3BFE2; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Echoplex-style functionality on a Pc? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:53:15 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012606FB@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Echoplex-style functionality on a Pc? Thread-Index: AcWR/4AsAW5/gPc7QHqMr0wQS4q+pgAABezg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2005 16:53:17.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[853A5670:01C59202] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:53:21 +0000 (UTC) One of these days, you can add me to the list of folk who use Mobius live, Jeff...I'm working on it. As a standalone program, I think Mobius is the greatest thing since sliced bread in terms of emulating the EDP, and it even has some unique features of its own. You are correct about the VST issues, as this has been the primary barrier to me using it live. I've tried three VST hosts and I ended up not trying too force a solution on the situation. Running Mobius in a VST host with a lot of other VST effects introduces a complicated systematic situation, where it is difficult to point fingers at any factor per se as the source of issues. I used to develop and run contention tests for HP LaserJet printers many years ago, where we tested printers with their own software (embedded and application) and Microsoft applications...I basically generated a test matrix of hundreds feature/functionality permutations....such as printing a test page and starting a FAX at the same time, or printing a large print job, canceling it, and jamming the printer at the same time, and so on. Basically, you discover bugs that are a contention between two features from two separate products...and in many cases, you don't have the luxury of changing the OS or application from MS, but having to patch up the contention bug on your own product. My guess is that the situation is similar with Mobius, VST hosts, and VST effects. You probably won't have much luck getting Antares to change their product, so you you'll have to find a fix with Mobius, for instance. Moreover, I'm sure it is challenging for software developers to create software that has not contention issues with mutiple other products and systems out there.=20 I use EnergyXT as my VST host, and Mobius runs in it fine most of the time, but as you say it is a contention issue between it and the other VST effects running. My laptop simply can't handle running chorus and delay VST plugins, a monster VST effect like Antares Filter or PSP84, and then Mobius on top of that. It puts too much strain on the CPU, and I'm using a 2.4Ghz Pentium 4 processor. Perhaps if I had one of the new laptop with one of the new Intel Centrino chipsets, I might be able to handle it, but not my current 3 year old laptop. So, my long term plan is to buy a second laptop and run just Mobius on that. And this is not uncommon for software loopers, right? For example, Sunao uses two computers on stage, one for sound generation and another for looping....someone correct me if I'm wrong. It just seems like if you are planning to do any serious computer based tone generation, that your looping software is best running on a separate system from a stability perspective. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex-style functionality on a Pc? > Has anyone on this list using Mobius for live performance? I'm aware of two brave people that use Mobius live occasionally, they can tell their own stories if they wish. But in all honesty, I see Mobius as more of a studio wanking tool than a live performance tool at this moment. The beta testers have been very helpful and supportive but like all complicated immature software it has bugs. It is picky about VST hosts, and depending on how you loop it can be a CPU hog and won't play well with other CPU intensive plugins. If you stick to the basic functions it is reasonably stable. Just don't try anything live without first practicing it in the studio and have a backup strategy ready if you need to reboot. > What kind of foot rank could be used with? Almost everyone uses the FCB1010. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 16:58:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E71EE3BFE7; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20050726163936.C62653BFE0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050726163936.C62653BFE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <154AC715-61DB-4CA7-A89F-7D4585E3DC23@collective.co.uk> Cc: Steve Lawson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:58:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:58:44 +0000 (UTC) You'll forgive me for tooting my own horn, as it were: http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html cheers, os. On 26 Jul 2005, at 17:39, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers- delight.com wrote: > From: Steve Lawson > Date: 26 July 2005 12:19:11 BDT > To: Loop List > Subject: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? > > > Right, I'm experimenting with the idea of shifting my loopage over > to a mac laptop, and am looking for echoplex emulation, or > something close. Has anyone tried running Mobius with virtual PC? > Are the mobius people planning on a mac version? It's such an > amazing program, and would be ideal, but I've got an ibook... > > Please feel free to just suggest keywords for me to search the > archive, if I've missed this discussion recently - I'll have a > browse anyway. > > cheers > > Steve > os@expertsleepers.co.uk http://www.expertsleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 17:03:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E18453BFE9; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:03:23 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0126070D@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? Thread-Index: AcWSA3Bp4Zl/PsRsQ26yUiJ3QKc6VQAAElWQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2005 17:03:24.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF2B80D0:01C59203] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:03:25 +0000 (UTC) OS - Can you share the cross-section of EDP and August features? In other words, what features does August have in common with the EDP? For instance, does it have the equivalent of Multiply? I'm sure it has its own set of unique features as well. Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Os [mailto:os@collective.co.uk]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? You'll forgive me for tooting my own horn, as it were: http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html cheers, os. On 26 Jul 2005, at 17:39, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers- delight.com wrote: > From: Steve Lawson > Date: 26 July 2005 12:19:11 BDT > To: Loop List > Subject: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? > > > Right, I'm experimenting with the idea of shifting my loopage over to=20 > a mac laptop, and am looking for echoplex emulation, or something=20 > close. Has anyone tried running Mobius with virtual PC? > Are the mobius people planning on a mac version? It's such an amazing=20 > program, and would be ideal, but I've got an ibook... > > Please feel free to just suggest keywords for me to search the=20 > archive, if I've missed this discussion recently - I'll have a browse=20 > anyway. > > cheers > > Steve > os@expertsleepers.co.uk http://www.expertsleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 17:03:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B4993BFF7; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050726093712.089dc940@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:53:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Drum-machine tips and other LD additions In-Reply-To: <006a01c5918d$b404d900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <006a01c5918d$b404d900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:03:30 +0000 (UTC) At 07:57 PM 7/25/2005, loop.pool wrote: >but I thought the answer might be efficacious for other drum machine >programmers here at L.D. Thanks Rick! Along these lines, we recently had a nice article on drum machine programming contributed to the Looper's Delight "Tips and Tricks" section, called "Drum Programming, Loops, and Breakbeat Technique" by Nicolas Hall of Breakbeat Cafe: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/drum_programming.html It may help you get some funky life into your sterile beats. And by the way, I'm always looking for new tutorial articles for the web site like this! If you have some knowledge you think would be helpful to other loopers, write something up and send it to me! (that includes you Rick..:-) oh, and since I'm on the topic, here are some other new things added to the site recently: We got a nice new pic of the Boomerang from Mike Nelson, to replace the blurry old one: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/boomerang/boomerang.html There's a new section for the Boss DD-20 Giga Delay, with 2 nice reviews, specs, useful links, pics, etc: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/bossDD20/bossDD20.html There's a new section for the old Powertran Digital Delay Line, a piece of history: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/powertran/powertran.html And at the prodding of Kris Hartung and the fact that we have a new server with vast untamed frontiers of disk space, the Looper's Delight file library now allows uploads up to 7.5MB! (instead of 2MB like before). There are also sections now for videos if you have them. Check it out: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ And as always I have a backlog of other stuff to add, but feel free to dump more into the queue if you want to contribute something. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 17:04:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E476C3BF4E; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050726170446.65139.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:04:46 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: SF looper seeks occasional sync buddy(s). To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-_o8WB.A.tAE.v0m5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I've always thought our styles would work nicely together, but you're like practically in Canada, eh? ;) I didn't work on any of the samples, that was my friend Gary Hesse, who's just moved back to town so stay tuned for more wackiness from him. I think it was Richard Berton from 1984 (such a good movie adaption, IMO) Also, I'm glad you got the humor in all of it. His idea was to use a lot of religious samples... but only from sci-fi movies. When I was mixing the tracks I thought, "woah, are we a weird Christian ambient band?" I guess it worked for Cartman, so why not? Thanks for the kind words, my friend. Mark --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Mark, > > In a message dated 7/25/05 11:40:55 AM, > marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes: > > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/music.html > > > I wish I didn't live so far away. I dig some of your > new tracks up there, > especially "War WithOceania." Is that a Richard > Burton clip from 1984? > Cool!!! The other "Evangelical" and "Civil Defense > Authority" verbal > components were waaaaay funny. > > Best regards, > > tEd Ž kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 17:10:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8ED63BFF2; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012606FB@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012606FB@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Echoplex-style functionality on a Pc? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:10:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:10:42 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 26, 2005, at 18:53, Hartung, Kris wrote: > It just seems like if you > are planning to do any serious computer based tone generation, that > your > looping software is best running on a separate system from a stability > perspective. I agree with Kris here. Doing it as simple as possible is the safest way. If you have sound cards with digital connection you can send audio between the two computers without any added latency. I tried that between my TC Electronics FireworX and my RME sound card and it was just like getting a much more powerful computer (getting at the FireworX effects without latency). But if you want to go into laptops to make gigging easier, a two lappy set-up may be a difficult move ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 17:27:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F5053BFED; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050726172748.48231.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:27:48 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006a01c5918d$b404d900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <705xPB.A.YCF.UKn5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Great ideas Rick! Often I try to use that mentality when programming, but probably more often that not I'm going for a more machine thing... I just like to keep my machines machiney and my humans humany. During my stint with Laurie Anderson I remember a conversation with David Van Tingham where she was asking for, "more machine like." He was able to instantly mimic the Linn sound. Really, the only difference with what I'm attempting now it that I want to do a ABABCAB type of song structure with a base rhythmic structure and evolving percussion over it. I think I may have solved my problem: Scrap the song mode on the drum machine. Make the loops on the drum machine and use a computer sequencer to record that via MIDI and then edit it into the song structure you need. I was able to get a ton of work done last night that would have taken forever if I'd tried to do it on the XL-7 or ESX-1. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 17:32:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9543C3BFFD; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050726173241.73134.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:32:41 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050726014920.69939.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <637k4B.A.OQF.5On5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:32:42 +0000 (UTC) I've not tried the MPC1000, but I've heard of it's greatness. I actually really like the much cheaper Korg ESX-1, even though it has no "pads" to speak of like the MPC1000. For that I can easily use my MIDI keyboard. I should look into getting some samples for it though. Linn drum sounds... mmmmm. I'm hoping to eventually get it so that there's not a single traditional drum sound on it and use the copious E-MU library for those sounds. Mark --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > No doubt computers are more flexible,but have u > tried > the mpc1000?i love the feel of its pads, it syncs > great to the EDP,and usb transfer is wonderful,you > can > also go to their web and download all the classic > drum > machine sounds like the linn drum,Acetone and all > the > vintage obscure beat boxes!i just wish they would > have > given it more memory...but i have to get a dedicated > midi foot controller for it to mess with the > different > midi functions it offers,track mute,next sequence, > etc.song mode can be very useful but i dont like to > be > following a machine,so track muting and next > sequence > seem to be more intuitive live. > I am curious how bands like Rush,Bowie etc. are > working nowdays, Peter Gabriel has a buch of laptops > on stage and he certainly does it very clever! > Luis > > > > > --- mark sottilaro > wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > I've been using drum machines for years, and for > the > > last 12 or so I've synced audio loopers (Lexicon > > JamMan and Electrix Repeater) to them. It's always > > worked great (and still does) but I think I use my > > drum machines in a somewhat non traditional way. > I > > use either a Korg Electribe ESX-1 or E-MU XL-7 to > > put > > together dense loops and then kind of randomly > > mute/unmute tracks while in song mode. The lack > of > > traditional song structure is great for the way I > > like > > to improvise. > > > > Well, this weekend I decided to put together > > something > > with a more "pop" structure and I found the song > > modes > > on both the above drum machines to be SO awkward > > compared to a DAW like Digital Performer or Logic, > I > > ended up with nothing. > > > > So, am I just spoiled by modern computer > > sequencing... > > or am I approaching the drum machine song > > construction > > in the wrong way? My idea is to avoid having to > > bring > > a laptop to gigs, but if it's going to be so much > > easier I'll do it. I can get around pretty > quickly > > in > > Digital Performer 4... then I started to think > "well > > if I'm bringing a laptop for sequencing, why not > use > > it as a sound source as well?" The ESX-1 is a > > sampler > > and the XL-7 is a ROMpler so it's not like I'd > have > > issues with a laptop not being able to have fast > > enough processors. > > > > So, if there's a song construction tip that you > can > > think of, I'd love to hear it. If you've found a > > better tool that lets one work more intuitively, > > (the > > Electribe has a way better interface than the E-MU > > IMO) I'd like to hear that as well. If song > > construction in modern drum-machines is just a big > > pain compared to software, than I guess I'll > abandon > > my little cute boxes for my current project. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 17:49:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 472723BFFB; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050726174938.23235.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:49:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:49:41 +0000 (UTC) I keep hearing "Logic, Logic, Logic!" Is it truely all that? I've been a happy Digital Performer user for years. What about Logic makes people all coo-coo over it? Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Jul 26, 2005, at 3:49, L. Angulo wrote: > > > > I am curious how bands like Rush,Bowie etc. are > > working nowdays, Peter Gabriel has a buch of > laptops > > on stage and he certainly does it very clever! > > Luis > > > When Gabriel played here in Sweden it looked like > they were running > Logic on those lappies. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 17:54:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 356D93BFFA; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050726175418.4838.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: SF looper seeks occasional sync buddy(s). To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007801c591c4$a93864b0$040a0a0a@fabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! I'm glad people are enjoying these. I did them (with my friend Gary Hesse on samples/JamMan) at a time when I didn't have a place to post them. So there they are finally seeing the light of day. Enjoy! Mark --- Fabio Anile wrote: > Mark, > your "A_Catalog_of_Conquests" is simply wonderfull ! > > fabio > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: "Loopers Delight" > > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:40 PM > Subject: SF looper seeks occasional sync buddy(s). > > > > Hey kids, > > > > it's been a long time coming but with my house > finally > > set up and studio in operational condition, I've > been > > thinking of inviting people over (or being > invited) > > for looptime fun. (walk your lazy ass over Jon!) > I'm > > in SF (outer Mission, but a nice 'hood) and I've > been > > hanker'n for some human interaction. Nothing > serious, > > but just some good time looping. I'm up for most > > styles of music, but you can here what I'm up to > at: > > > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/music.html > > > > I'm usually free nights after 7 or weekend days. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 17:57:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3024A3BFE8; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050726175704.24963.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42E61C2F.50007@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:57:05 +0000 (UTC) It's surely not an "EDP" solution, but try MOTU's Digital Performer with it's POLAR module in conjunction with Augustus Loops (I don't have a link for that one) Together you get a lot of looping fun with a Macintosh. Mark --- Steve Lawson wrote: > Right, I'm experimenting with the idea of shifting > my loopage over to a > mac laptop, and am looking for echoplex emulation, > or something close. > Has anyone tried running Mobius with virtual PC? Are > the mobius people > planning on a mac version? It's such an amazing > program, and would be > ideal, but I've got an ibook... > > Please feel free to just suggest keywords for me to > search the archive, > if I've missed this discussion recently - I'll have > a browse anyway. > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net > (upcoming gigs - Guildford, Berwick On Tweed and > Edinburgh Festival > Fringe - see site for details) > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/53 - > Release Date: 20/07/2005 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 18:01:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A0773BFF5; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1122400902!29902864!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2FE@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Chris Squire - the Fish Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:01:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5920C.1050C9C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:01:47 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5920C.1050C9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" do you know if chris squire used loops to make the studio version? it's not obvious how the live version is achieved either... you might want to give "olias of sunhillow" a spin too; same era, jon anderson solo album, though there were suggestions at the time that a certain greek keyboardist may have already been helping out, prior to his auditioning for the wakeman vacancy (which went to moraz eventually), & his later collaborations with anderson. there are a few tracks on this album, "we have heaven" most notably, that appear to feature looping. I also found a picture on a 10CC-related site (probably the one dedicated to strawberry studios in stockport) that showed eric stewart's collection of vocal loops for "I'm not in love". 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do you know if chris squire used loops to make the studio version? it's not obvious how the live version is achieved either...
you might want to give "olias of sunhillow" a spin too; same era, jon anderson solo album, though there were suggestions at the time that a certain greek keyboardist may have already been helping out, prior to his auditioning for the wakeman vacancy (which went to moraz eventually), & his later collaborations with anderson.
there are a few tracks on this album, "we have heaven" most notably, that appear to feature looping.
 
I also found a picture on a 10CC-related site (probably the one dedicated to strawberry studios in stockport) that showed eric stewart's collection of vocal loops for "I'm not in love". I'm supposing that cutting 2" multitrack tape into short loops was something that occurred to quite a few people at some time.
 
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5920C.1050C9C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 18:13:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 006873BFFC; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E67D57.5010500@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:13:43 +0100 From: "steve@steve-lawson.co.uk" Reply-To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex style functionality on a mac References: <20050726180147.DC55E3C006@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20050726180147.DC55E3C006@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:13:39 +0000 (UTC) >>>>On Jul 26, 2005, at 18:53, Hartung, Kris wrote: It just seems like if you are planning to do any serious computer based tone generation, that your looping software is best running on a separate system from a stability perspective.<<< By tone generation do you mean synth sounds? I'm only going to be doing real-time audio looping, and some processing, for now mainly post-processing of the loops. Can SooperLooper run as a plug in in Live? If it can, that looks like being a killer solution - that way I could have it in a number of channels, and be able to loop and layer and post-process to my heart's content! :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/53 - Release Date: 20/07/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 18:19:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDFDF3C000; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1122401987!22989624!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2FF@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: kflint@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: other LD additions Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:19:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5920E.99B5C0B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:19:49 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5920E.99B5C0B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>There's a new section for the old Powertran Digital Delay Line, a piece of history: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/powertran/powertran.html<< ah- er- ah. I thought that was going to be about the contemporaneous mcs-1 delay line/sampler. I wrote the list about it some time back, comparing it to the bel bd80. would you consider entering the blurb into the tools section if I were to provide a decent snap of the box? here, from 24jan2004: Title: powertran mcs-1 I don't know how many of you will have even heard of this unit. most of the existing machines will have been built from kits in the mid 80s by readers of a UK electronics magazine that I haven't seen for years. the instructions were spread over three or four editions and included a theory-of-sampling-technology guide. after a few years of gathering dust (because of jam-mans and repeaters), mine found it's way back into the studio yesterday. the machine is a monophonic 8-bit sampler that can be played with cv&gate or over midi, but it doubles as a delay line. it has a colossal 64kb of memory and the master clock can be wobbled with an LFO, so that it can be used as a chorus/flanger/phaser. the designers (orr and monkhouse, according to the rear panel) distinguish amongst these three in terms of the base delay time involved. it's a deep 2U box made of the same iron as WW1 tanks and has a 4-1/2 digit LED display legible from the moon. the buttons will outlast most wedding rings. there are four analogue knobs (input level, w/ clip LED, repeat, output balance and "tune"- more on this later) and a rotary encoder. everything on the circuit board seems to be at least half-an-inch from it's nearest neighbour. there are adjustments for the amount of ram it can write to, the master sampling frequency, the number of poles of filtering (it's got a decent tracking filter), pre-emphasis on/off (which they call noise reduction), "sweep" range and depth (the LFO, which can be engaged in any mode and goes from barely noticeable to insane, both in depth and speed), gate or trigger, midi channel, BBC microcomputer interface (the venerable beeb micro was how you saved samples- one per 64k floppy disc). other buttons switch between sampler and delay-line modes and, in this latter, engage "freeze" which stops further writing to the memory. this can be done with a footswitch too. if "freeze" is on, a momentary footswitch disengages it temporarily, and vice versa. nice touch, that. the tune control, an analogue pot poking through the front panel, has an enormous range- probably about three octaves altogether. this is one of it's best features. how I use it: I /never/ use the sampler mode- it's always in delay line mode with the maximum amount of ram and with the sample rate at half the default value. I don't know what the exact number is but I suspect it's about 16kHz, so an effective bandwidth of about 6kHz.... because of the noise reduction, dbx companding and pre-emphasis, it's not quite as lo-fi as one might expect. this is with the tune control centred and the LFO off, giving about 8 seconds of delay/recording time. so I'll be feeding audio into it from an aux on the studio desk, and using a footswitch to unfreeze it and grab bits of audio. the repeat level control functions like the "overdub" level on a repeater, so that existing sounds can be gradually erased, or not. obviously, it's not synchronised to anything (though I've toyed with the idea of adding this somehow), but by judicious use of the tune control, it can be made to stay roughly in sync with other devices. having acquired some interesting audio into it, I can then apply the LFO and/or start using the footswitch to make little gaps appear in the frozen audio (the repeat turned right down), or throwing the tune control around, or altering the amount of ram or the sample rate..... it really is the most fun. looping in a tempo-free world. I'd suggest adding this info, and a picture, to the appropriate section of the looper's site... and recommend that we all watch out for one of these machines popping up on the 2nd hand market. I'm hanging on to mine- obviously; the only thing wrong with it is that it's a bit too big to gig with these days. the nearest commercial device that compares to it is the bel BD80 delay line. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5920E.99B5C0B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: other LD additions

>>There's a new section for the old Powertran Digit= al Delay Line, a piece of history:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/po= wertran/powertran.html<<

ah- er- ah. I thought that was going to be about the cont= emporaneous mcs-1 delay line/sampler. I wrote the list about it some time b= ack, comparing it to the bel bd80. would you consider entering the blurb in= to the tools section if I were to provide a decent snap of the box?<= /P>

here, from 24jan2004:

Title: powertran mcs-1

I don't know how many of you will have even heard of this= unit. most of the existing machines will have been built from kits in the = mid 80s by readers of a UK electronics magazine that I haven't seen for yea= rs. the instructions were spread over three or four editions and included a= theory-of-sampling-technology guide.

after a few years of gathering dust (because of jam-mans = and repeaters), mine found it's way back into the studio yesterday.<= /P>

 
the machine is a monophonic 8-bit sampler that can be pl= ayed with cv&gate or over midi, but it doubles as a delay line. it has = a colossal 64kb of memory and the master clock can be wobbled with an LFO, = so that it can be used as a chorus/flanger/phaser. the designers (orr and m= onkhouse, according to the rear panel) distinguish amongst these three in t= erms of the base delay time involved.

it's a deep 2U box made of the same iron as WW1 tanks and= has a 4-1/2 digit LED display legible from the moon. the buttons will outl= ast most wedding rings. there are four analogue knobs (input level, w/ clip= LED, repeat, output balance and "tune"- more on this later) and = a rotary encoder. everything on the circuit board seems to be at least half= -an-inch from it's nearest neighbour.

there are adjustments for the amount of ram it can write = to, the master sampling frequency, the number of poles of filtering (it's g= ot a decent tracking filter), pre-emphasis on/off (which they call noise re= duction), "sweep" range and depth (the LFO, which can be engaged = in any mode and goes from barely noticeable to insane, both in depth and sp= eed), gate or trigger, midi channel, BBC microcomputer interface (the vener= able beeb micro was how you saved samples- one per 64k floppy disc).=

other buttons switch between sampler and delay-line modes= and, in this latter, engage "freeze" which stops further writing= to the memory. this can be done with a footswitch too. if "freeze&quo= t; is on, a momentary footswitch disengages it temporarily, and vice versa.= nice touch, that.

the tune control, an analogue pot poking through the fron= t panel, has an enormous range- probably about three octaves altogether. th= is is one of it's best features.

how I use it: I /never/ use the sampler mode- it's always= in delay line mode with the maximum amount of ram and with the sample rate= at half the default value. I don't know what the exact number is but I sus= pect it's about 16kHz, so an effective bandwidth of about 6kHz.... because = of the noise reduction, dbx companding and pre-emphasis, it's not quite as = lo-fi as one might expect.

this is with the tune control centred and the LFO off, gi= ving about 8 seconds of delay/recording time.
so I'll be feeding audio into it from an aux on the stud= io desk, and using a footswitch to unfreeze it and grab bits of audio.

the repeat level control functions like the "overdub= " level on a repeater, so that existing sounds can be gradually erased= , or not.

obviously, it's not synchronised to anything (though I've= toyed with the idea of adding this somehow), but by judicious use of the t= une control, it can be made to stay roughly in sync with other devices. hav= ing acquired some interesting audio into it, I can then apply the LFO and/o= r start using the footswitch to make little gaps appear in the frozen audio= (the repeat turned right down), or throwing the tune control around, or al= tering the amount of ram or the sample rate.....

it really is the most fun. looping in a tempo-free world.=

I'd suggest adding this info, and a picture, to the appro= priate section of the looper's site... and recommend that we all watch out = for one of these machines popping up on the 2nd hand market. I'm hanging on= to mine- obviously; the only thing wrong with it is that it's a bit too bi= g to gig with these days.

the nearest commercial device that compares to it is the = bel BD80 delay line.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5920E.99B5C0B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 18:24:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C7C63C010; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:24:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050726182455.78757.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:24:55 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: OT: MIDI routing questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050726173241.73134.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:24:57 +0000 (UTC) OK, if you were on the drum machine thread, I came to a conclusion: Use the computer. I'm sure it's possible to do what I want using the drum machines themselves, but hey, I've got a nice functioning laptop and great software, so there you have it. What I make up for in ease of programming seems to be worth it. But here's my new quesetion: How does one deal with multiple devices that all want to work on the same MIDI channels? My E-MU XL-7 wants all 16, but unless I keep it off the chain with my other devices, I can't use other synths. This isn't a huge problem, but I'd like to be able to get sounds from other devices. The problem I have with keeping it off the chain is that I loose the ability to control it with my MIDI keyboard, which is nicer than it's own pads. (though it's the only drum machine/sequencer I know with aftertouch) Any ideas? I'm using a MOTU microexpress MIDI interface, but I've got their small 2x2 jobbie in a drawer somewhere. Now I see why people go to softsynths! The cable routing alone makes my head hurt! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 18:34:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 940723BFDE; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: MIDI routing questions Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:30:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWSD1PqHgIqGTc6TAmokZcm1VTrQgAAGJtQ In-Reply-To: <20050726182455.78757.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20050726183441.C7BE83BFD9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:34:42 +0000 (UTC) If your sequencer software allows it, you can assign each track to port/channel. Then, you can attach your 'hardwired' hardware to separate midi interfaces to keep them from responding to the same midi channel. -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: MIDI routing questions OK, if you were on the drum machine thread, I came to a conclusion: Use the computer. I'm sure it's possible to do what I want using the drum machines themselves, but hey, I've got a nice functioning laptop and great software, so there you have it. What I make up for in ease of programming seems to be worth it. But here's my new quesetion: How does one deal with multiple devices that all want to work on the same MIDI channels? My E-MU XL-7 wants all 16, but unless I keep it off the chain with my other devices, I can't use other synths. This isn't a huge problem, but I'd like to be able to get sounds from other devices. The problem I have with keeping it off the chain is that I loose the ability to control it with my MIDI keyboard, which is nicer than it's own pads. (though it's the only drum machine/sequencer I know with aftertouch) Any ideas? I'm using a MOTU microexpress MIDI interface, but I've got their small 2x2 jobbie in a drawer somewhere. Now I see why people go to softsynths! The cable routing alone makes my head hurt! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 18:44:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23B843BFFF; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050726174938.23235.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050726174938.23235.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <60674F50-332B-4FC3-9F25-D6D3CA8D385C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Digital Performer / Logic (was: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:44:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <5a87RC.A.ks.LSo5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:44:28 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 26, 2005, at 19:49, mark sottilaro wrote: > I keep hearing "Logic, Logic, Logic!" > > Is it truely all that? I've been a happy Digital > Performer user for years. What about Logic makes > people all coo-coo over it? Hi Mark, I don't own Digital Performer but many of my colleges do. I've been using Logic for 11 years, though. From many discussions I have learned that DP is as good as Logic, as long as you can adapt your work flow to DP. For pro's that may want to customize their working method Logic can be a more convenient tool. The latest version of DP have some cool pitch detecting functions that are much easier to work with then doing the same things in Logic. Logic on the other hand comes with boatloads of great software synths built-in (can only be used in Logic) as well as a treasure of pre-sets. I once started using Logic when the ATari went out of business and hard disc recording got available (without buying a Syclavier or a Fairlight). I had been working with a lot of remix teams coming from the modern dance music scene and these guys where using C-Lab creator or Notator on Atari, while I was using Steinberg Cubes on Atari. I learned from hearing it with my own ears how much better midi programmed music grooved in C-Lab's software compared to Steinberg's, on the same hardware. So when Chris and Gerhard left C-Lab and started Emagic I knew they had brought with them the C-Lab code and I guessed they knew how to develop a midi sequencer that doesn't loose the groove if you mute a kick drum track (like cubase kept crapping out all the time, back then). It was an easy choice. But today it's not that easy. I think, if I should get into audio and sequencing today I would start with Ableton Live and maybe get Nuendo later on, if needed. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 19:02:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A9E83C009; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Echoplex style functionality on a mac Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:02:48 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260770@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Echoplex style functionality on a mac Thread-Index: AcWSDcKLkQ8fZCPVRuOeK6z7XR1frwABeJHA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2005 19:02:49.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DD12DA0:01C59214] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:02:51 +0000 (UTC) By tone generation, I mean any "robust" standalone or host-based software programs (VST or other) that serve as effect processors, synths, tone generators, etc.=20 I think if you are running just one or two VST effects and Mobius, you will be fine. It's the robust and expensive VST effects that may cause some contention problems, such as Antares Kantos and Filter, or the Lexicon PSP84 and PSP42, all four of which are my main tone mangling VST effects...and amazingly powerful...like have six thousand dollars of hardward rack gear in your computer....but they suck up A LOT of processing power and don't play nice with with others. :) ...not sure about SuperLooper.=20 Kris -----Original Message----- From: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex style functionality on a mac >>>>On Jul 26, 2005, at 18:53, Hartung, Kris wrote: It just seems like if you are planning to do any serious computer based tone generation, that your looping software is best running on a separate system from a stability perspective.<<< By tone generation do you mean synth sounds? I'm only going to be doing real-time audio looping, and some processing, for now mainly post-processing of the loops. Can SooperLooper run as a plug in in Live? If it can, that looks like being a killer solution - that way I could have it in a number of channels, and be able to loop and layer and post-process to my heart's content! :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/53 - Release Date: 20/07/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 19:04:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5A693C019; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chris Squire - the Fish Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:04:16 +0000 Message-Id: <072620051904.17856.42E68930000D11BA000045C021979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17856_1122404656_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:04:20 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17856_1122404656_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Actually, I've been looping "The Fish" a lot lately. 2 bars of the >EADG harmonics first, then open E triplet next, the harmonics again >but this time with a bit of wah, and then going from there. I must >say that I have a lot of fun with it. I use my 4001 and get a fairly >good approximation (at least to my ear) That sounds very cool. I'd like to get a 4001 someday. >Mark, you should try it on Stick and then post it to us on Stickwire. > >Clint Allen >http://www.clintallen.com Haven't actually tried it, but I think the harmonics part would be pretty difficult on the Stick. The open strings are damped, so you would have to fret them while playing the harmonics with the other hand. AND since the bass side is tuned in 5ths the chord would look like this: +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+-o-+ +---+---+---+---+---+-o-+---+---+ +---+---+---+-o-+---+---+---+---+ +---+-o-+---+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Seven-fret span, ouch! If I was gonna do it, I would use my Fender Bass VI and not the Stick. I'd like to hear your Rick version. Do you put vocals on it? Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17856_1122404656_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chris Squire - the Fish Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:43:24 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17856_1122404656_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17856_1122404656_1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Actually, I've been looping "The Fish" a lot lately. 2 bars of the EADG=20 harmonics first, then open E triplet next, the harmonics again but this tim= e=20 with a bit of wah, and then going from there. I must say that I have a lot= =20 of fun with it. I use my 4001 and get a fairly good approximation (at least= =20 to my ear) Mark, you should try it on Stick and then post it to us on Stickwire.=20 Clint Allen http://www.clintallen.com On 7/26/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: >=20 > I was just listening to Yes' "Fragile" album this morning and thinking > that "The Fish" would lend itself to looping with bass and vocals. Anyone= =20 > done > this? >=20 > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net >=20 > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17856_1122404656_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Actually, I've been looping "The Fish" a lot lately. 2 bars of th= e EADG harmonics first, then open E triplet next, the harmonics again but this time with a bit of wah, and then going from there. I must say that I have a lot of fun with it. I use my 4001 and get a fairly good approximation (at least to my ear)

Mark, you should try it on Stick and then post it to us on Stickwire.

Clint Allen
 http://www.clintallen.com

On 7/26/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com<= /b> <mwsmart@insightbb.com&= gt; wrote:
I was just= listening to Yes' "Fragile" album this morning and thinking
t= hat "The Fish" would lend itself to looping with bass and vocals.= Anyone done
this?

Mark Smart
http://= www.marksmart.net


--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17856_1122404656_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17856_1122404656_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 19:10:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A39B3C01C; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 26 Jul 2005 19:10:23 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:10:23 -0500 Subject: Re: SF looper seeks occasional sync buddy(s). X-Originating-Ip: 69.110.56.103 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050726191023.953F086B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Mark- I loved "White Light". Is that first vocal sample Gene Wilder?? Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SF looper seeks occasional sync buddy(s). Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:54:18 -0700 (PDT) >=20 > Thanks! I'm glad people are enjoying these. I did > them (with my friend Gary Hesse on samples/JamMan) at > a time when I didn't have a place to post them. So > there they are finally seeing the light of day. > Enjoy! >=20 > Mark >=20 > --- Fabio Anile wrote: >=20 > > Mark, your "A_Catalog_of_Conquests" is simply wonderfull ! > > > > fabio > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro"=20 > > > > To: "Loopers Delight" > > > > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:40 PM > > Subject: SF looper seeks occasional sync buddy(s). > > > > > > > Hey kids, > > > > it's been a long time coming but with my house > > finally > > > set up and studio in operational condition, I've > > been > > > thinking of inviting people over (or being > > invited) > > > for looptime fun. (walk your lazy ass over Jon!) > > I'm > > > in SF (outer Mission, but a nice 'hood) and I've > > been > > > hanker'n for some human interaction. Nothing > > serious, > > > but just some good time looping. I'm up for most > > > styles of music, but you can here what I'm up to > > at: > > > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/music.html > > > > I'm usually free nights after 7 or weekend days. > > > > Mark > > > > > --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 19:11:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B037C3C027; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=scBrJPXSUOhL9KMIVNuNW/pCeQbGnBawUiYCLZLCo6ASJdq7ErNOwHCL1ghJgVLnyGBpVCbuJfi4dJHEisvGnNooqolhSINfkkeGH23XLX+/37mkvV1ESdBJLZp+vDLX1OsPU0ScmkLPC1kOzmyhBelBAno4VOLj5XjSKJzZ6cc= ; Message-ID: <20050726191113.38513.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:11:13 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: "caution" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-104112107-1122405073=:35419" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:11:16 +0000 (UTC) --0-104112107-1122405073=:35419 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ""sheesh be carefull!!! one of you is going to hook up too many computers in loops and create a rift in the fabric of time,transforming reality into a infinite musical note,spanning endless/seemless loops untill all matter fades into a vortex.lol. scary visionary. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-104112107-1122405073=:35419 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
""sheesh be carefull!!! one of you is going to hook up too many computers in loops and create a rift in the fabric of time,transforming reality into a infinite musical note,spanning endless/seemless loops untill all matter fades into a vortex.lol.     scary visionary.

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-104112107-1122405073=:35419-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 19:13:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E32D33C035; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:13:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E68B55.9080309@bredon-gill.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:13:25 +0000 From: Nick Brown User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chris Squire - the Fish References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2FE@lon-oxmail02> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A2FE@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:13:36 +0000 (UTC) (First post to the list - hi folks) I've always assumed that both of those Yes tracks were done with multitrack tape loops. The clearest evidence is the repeated phrase "tell the moondog, tell the march hare" on We Have Heaven. The vocal harmonies actually change along with the chord changes - I haven't tried to figure this out too closely, but it seems to me there are three seperate tracks here, two of which are faded up at any given time. It's not a technique I've heard elsewhere, of course that's not to say it hasn't happened. I aspire to be able, during jams, to records loops to go along with chord changes that haven't happened yet. . . . . . AND do it well. Cheers, Nick Brown goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > do you know if chris squire used loops to make the studio version? > it's not obvious how the live version is achieved either... > you might want to give "olias of sunhillow" a spin too; same era, jon > anderson solo album, though there were suggestions at the time that a > certain greek keyboardist may have already been helping out, prior to > his auditioning for the wakeman vacancy (which went to moraz > eventually), & his later collaborations with anderson. > there are a few tracks on this album, "we have heaven" most notably, > that appear to feature looping. > > I also found a picture on a 10CC-related site (probably the one > dedicated to strawberry studios in stockport) that showed eric > stewart's collection of vocal loops for "I'm not in love". I'm > supposing that cutting 2" multitrack tape into short loops was > something that occurred to quite a few people at some time. > > duncan. > | > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *************************************************************************** > | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 19:16:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A856B3C02F; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006f01c59216$8b9f83f0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20050726173241.73134.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:08:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Have you considered using something like the Yamaha DD50 pads? It'll send MIDI and you can hit it with sticks. ;) I'm not much of a drummer (well, not a drummer at all) but I set up Sonar to record my flailings and then edit it (quantize is my friend.) Then I can send the MIDI to whatever I want (Soundfonts, Alesis, various synths, VSTi, etc) btw. The guy who wrote HammerHead/Moonfish/Tuareg is working on a drum/vsti/sample sequencer called Tunafish that's in beta right now. It looks very very cool for doing drum loops, etc. I know Rick's a big Tuareg fan. :) preliminary look at the docs - http://www.brambos.com/usingtunafish.zip Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? > I've not tried the MPC1000, but I've heard of it's > greatness. I actually really like the much cheaper > Korg ESX-1, even though it has no "pads" to speak of > like the MPC1000. For that I can easily use my MIDI > keyboard. > > I should look into getting some samples for it though. > Linn drum sounds... mmmmm. I'm hoping to eventually > get it so that there's not a single traditional drum > sound on it and use the copious E-MU library for those > sounds. > > Mark > > --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > >> No doubt computers are more flexible,but have u >> tried >> the mpc1000?i love the feel of its pads, it syncs >> great to the EDP,and usb transfer is wonderful,you >> can >> also go to their web and download all the classic >> drum >> machine sounds like the linn drum,Acetone and all >> the >> vintage obscure beat boxes!i just wish they would >> have >> given it more memory...but i have to get a dedicated >> midi foot controller for it to mess with the >> different >> midi functions it offers,track mute,next sequence, >> etc.song mode can be very useful but i dont like to >> be >> following a machine,so track muting and next >> sequence >> seem to be more intuitive live. >> I am curious how bands like Rush,Bowie etc. are >> working nowdays, Peter Gabriel has a buch of laptops >> on stage and he certainly does it very clever! >> Luis >> >> >> >> >> --- mark sottilaro >> wrote: >> >> > Hi. >> > >> > I've been using drum machines for years, and for >> the >> > last 12 or so I've synced audio loopers (Lexicon >> > JamMan and Electrix Repeater) to them. It's always >> > worked great (and still does) but I think I use my >> > drum machines in a somewhat non traditional way. >> I >> > use either a Korg Electribe ESX-1 or E-MU XL-7 to >> > put >> > together dense loops and then kind of randomly >> > mute/unmute tracks while in song mode. The lack >> of >> > traditional song structure is great for the way I >> > like >> > to improvise. >> > >> > Well, this weekend I decided to put together >> > something >> > with a more "pop" structure and I found the song >> > modes >> > on both the above drum machines to be SO awkward >> > compared to a DAW like Digital Performer or Logic, >> I >> > ended up with nothing. >> > >> > So, am I just spoiled by modern computer >> > sequencing... >> > or am I approaching the drum machine song >> > construction >> > in the wrong way? My idea is to avoid having to >> > bring >> > a laptop to gigs, but if it's going to be so much >> > easier I'll do it. I can get around pretty >> quickly >> > in >> > Digital Performer 4... then I started to think >> "well >> > if I'm bringing a laptop for sequencing, why not >> use >> > it as a sound source as well?" The ESX-1 is a >> > sampler >> > and the XL-7 is a ROMpler so it's not like I'd >> have >> > issues with a laptop not being able to have fast >> > enough processors. >> > >> > So, if there's a song construction tip that you >> can >> > think of, I'd love to hear it. If you've found a >> > better tool that lets one work more intuitively, >> > (the >> > Electribe has a way better interface than the E-MU >> > IMO) I'd like to hear that as well. If song >> > construction in modern drum-machines is just a big >> > pain compared to software, than I guess I'll >> abandon >> > my little cute boxes for my current project. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> >> >> www.luis-angulo.com >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 19:21:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F1B23C002; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:21:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59217.41A3B318" Subject: RE: "caution" Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:21:42 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260785@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: "caution" Thread-Index: AcWSFc5z+AzRc9oNRw+BqUvswm8WIQAALGaw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2005 19:21:43.0797 (UTC) FILETIME=[41EE5A50:01C59217] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:21:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59217.41A3B318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't get me started, man. It is already my understanding that they are working on prototype computers that operate on the principle of "entanglement" in quantum mechanics, whereby two sub-atomic particles split and mirror each other's behavior "instantaneously" over space and time, regardless of distance (1 foot or 1 light year). They proved this in the 90s over a distance of a few miles using splitters, state changers/measurers, and fiber optic tubing....instant communication between particles faster than the speed of light. It's part of that behavior that Fineman said no physicist truly understood. Anyway, imagine a computer that operated with binary signals based on entanglement! We can't even think that fast. Mind boggling and not so science fiction anymore. =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: "caution" ""sheesh be carefull!!! one of you is going to hook up too many computers in loops and create a rift in the fabric of time,transforming reality into a infinite musical note,spanning endless/seemless loops untill all matter fades into a vortex.lol. scary visionary. ________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59217.41A3B318 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't get me started, man. It is already my = understanding=20 that they are working on prototype computers that operate on the = principle of=20 "entanglement" in quantum mechanics, whereby two sub-atomic particles = split and=20 mirror each other's behavior "instantaneously" over space and time, = regardless of distance (1 foot or 1 light year). They proved this in the = 90s=20 over a distance of a few miles using splitters, state = changers/measurers, and=20 fiber optic tubing....instant communication between particles faster = than the=20 speed of light. It's part of that behavior that Fineman said no = physicist truly=20 understood. Anyway, imagine a computer that operated with binary signals = based=20 on entanglement!  We can't even think that fast. Mind boggling and = not so=20 science fiction anymore.
 
Kris
 

From: daniel stevenson=20 [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 = 1:11=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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""sheesh be carefull!!! one of you is going to hook up too many = computers=20 in loops and create a rift in the fabric of time,transforming = reality into=20 a infinite musical note,spanning endless/seemless loops untill all = matter fades=20 into a vortex.lol.     scary visionary.

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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-187044814-1122406032=:72822-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 20:46:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 662093BF5A; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rMyqmQI/QcAkzbfaU+t1IrxTLKhbHu1EviyOkTnZsqkfmL8UB8lnCCXtP4QqVIEgHUMyECONUVlDbIn+lu0D4lYicirs8KikLkZSgrd82sL85Y2SENrY9e1fvH4xgbrbFtPZtCFanDEJPNWxupDq1E/BRPEIy3HkratPOZEFnXI= ; Message-ID: <20050726204655.756.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050726173241.73134.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Another great feature of the MPC1000 is being able to record on the fly and overdub your own sounds,just set up the bars and voilá you are also looping with it! (you could trigger this features with a midi foot controller but i havent tried it). what i like is that is as compact as a laptop and kinderleicht to use.Its very robust and has a great feel.What i dislike about it is saving the projects,i think this guys were on dope when they designed this feature! the manual is terrible but the akai forums are great.I also dont like having to load the project before a gig but there is a function called autoload for lazy bastards like me which does it for you when you turn it on.All in all is a great baby to use live or produce with and you might find it on ebay like a did for a reasonable price.i sold my Boss drum machine and i dont miss it because is free to download as well! check out here all the vintage beat boxes you can dowload for free http://www.akaipro.com/arc_kotw.html Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > I've not tried the MPC1000, but I've heard of it's > greatness. I actually really like the much cheaper > Korg ESX-1, even though it has no "pads" to speak of > like the MPC1000. For that I can easily use my MIDI > keyboard. > > I should look into getting some samples for it > though. > Linn drum sounds... mmmmm. I'm hoping to > eventually > get it so that there's not a single traditional drum > sound on it and use the copious E-MU library for > those > sounds. > > Mark > > --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > > > No doubt computers are more flexible,but have u > > tried > > the mpc1000?i love the feel of its pads, it syncs > > great to the EDP,and usb transfer is wonderful,you > > can > > also go to their web and download all the classic > > drum > > machine sounds like the linn drum,Acetone and all > > the > > vintage obscure beat boxes!i just wish they would > > have > > given it more memory...but i have to get a > dedicated > > midi foot controller for it to mess with the > > different > > midi functions it offers,track mute,next sequence, > > etc.song mode can be very useful but i dont like > to > > be > > following a machine,so track muting and next > > sequence > > seem to be more intuitive live. > > I am curious how bands like Rush,Bowie etc. are > > working nowdays, Peter Gabriel has a buch of > laptops > > on stage and he certainly does it very clever! > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > --- mark sottilaro > > wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > I've been using drum machines for years, and for > > the > > > last 12 or so I've synced audio loopers (Lexicon > > > JamMan and Electrix Repeater) to them. It's > always > > > worked great (and still does) but I think I use > my > > > drum machines in a somewhat non traditional way. > > > I > > > use either a Korg Electribe ESX-1 or E-MU XL-7 > to > > > put > > > together dense loops and then kind of randomly > > > mute/unmute tracks while in song mode. The lack > > of > > > traditional song structure is great for the way > I > > > like > > > to improvise. > > > > > > Well, this weekend I decided to put together > > > something > > > with a more "pop" structure and I found the song > > > modes > > > on both the above drum machines to be SO awkward > > > compared to a DAW like Digital Performer or > Logic, > > I > > > ended up with nothing. > > > > > > So, am I just spoiled by modern computer > > > sequencing... > > > or am I approaching the drum machine song > > > construction > > > in the wrong way? My idea is to avoid having to > > > bring > > > a laptop to gigs, but if it's going to be so > much > > > easier I'll do it. I can get around pretty > > quickly > > > in > > > Digital Performer 4... then I started to think > > "well > > > if I'm bringing a laptop for sequencing, why not > > use > > > it as a sound source as well?" The ESX-1 is a > > > sampler > > > and the XL-7 is a ROMpler so it's not like I'd > > have > > > issues with a laptop not being able to have fast > > > enough processors. > > > > > > So, if there's a song construction tip that you > > can > > > think of, I'd love to hear it. If you've found > a > > > better tool that lets one work more intuitively, > > > (the > > > Electribe has a way better interface than the > E-MU > > > IMO) I'd like to hear that as well. If song > > > construction in modern drum-machines is just a > big > > > pain compared to software, than I guess I'll > > abandon > > > my little cute boxes for my current project. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 21:12:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1FF73BF7E; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050726140200.01b270d8@mailone.real.com> X-Sender: sony@mailone.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:10:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sony Felberg Subject: RE: "caution" In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260785@idbexc02.americas .cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_scarface.real.com-32559-1122412338-0001-2" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:12:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_scarface.real.com-32559-1122412338-0001-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kris, here is my fear.... the worse thing we could do in programing, to the left of this physics conversation, is give the binary a scene of meaning within it's task. At that point, we be hard pressed to prove we are not simple programing....other than faith that we are not being duped. PS: Keep in mind that each of us is everything. The only thing that seems to give an impression of separateness in perception is the information impressed on us since the Big Band. Modern Physics can wack you brain. At 12:21 PM 7/26/2005, Hartung, Kris wrote: >Don't get me started, man. It is already my understanding that they are >working on prototype computers that operate on the principle of >"entanglement" in quantum mechanics, whereby two sub-atomic particles >split and mirror each other's behavior "instantaneously" over space and >time, regardless of distance (1 foot or 1 light year). They proved this in >the 90s over a distance of a few miles using splitters, state >changers/measurers, and fiber optic tubing....instant communication >between particles faster than the speed of light. It's part of that >behavior that Fineman said no physicist truly understood. Anyway, imagine >a computer that operated with binary signals based on entanglement! We >can't even think that fast. Mind boggling and not so science fiction anymore. > >Kris > > > >---------- >From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] >Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:11 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: "caution" > >""sheesh be carefull!!! one of you is going to hook up too many computers >in loops and create a rift in the fabric of time,transforming reality into >a infinite musical note,spanning endless/seemless loops untill all matter >fades into a vortex.lol. scary visionary. > > >Start your >day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --=_scarface.real.com-32559-1122412338-0001-2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kris, here is my fear....
                the worse thing we could do in programing, to the left of this physics conversation, is give the binary a scene of meaning within it's task. At that point, we be hard pressed to prove we are not simple programing....other than faith that we are not being duped.

PS: Keep in mind that each of us is everything. The only thing that seems to give an impression of separateness in perception is the information impressed on us since the Big Band.

Modern Physics can wack you brain.



At 12:21 PM 7/26/2005, Hartung, Kris wrote:
Don't get me started, man. It is already my understanding that they are working on prototype computers that operate on the principle of "entanglement" in quantum mechanics, whereby two sub-atomic particles split and mirror each other's behavior "instantaneously" over space and time, regardless of distance (1 foot or 1 light year). They proved this in the 90s over a distance of a few miles using splitters, state changers/measurers, and fiber optic tubing....instant communication between particles faster than the speed of light. It's part of that behavior that Fineman said no physicist truly understood. Anyway, imagine a computer that operated with binary signals based on entanglement!  We can't even think that fast. Mind boggling and not so science fiction anymore.
 
Kris
 

From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:11 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: "caution"

""sheesh be carefull!!! one of you is going to hook up too many computers in loops and create a rift in the fabric of time,transforming reality into a infinite musical note,spanning endless/seemless loops untill all matter fades into a vortex.lol.     scary visionary.


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--=_scarface.real.com-32559-1122412338-0001-2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 22:11:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C3E53BF3E; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: Echoplex question Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:11:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050726175704.24963.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:11:56 +0000 (UTC) I have a question for savvy Echoplex users. (I'm considering upgrading from my Boomerang to an EDP, but I'm not sure yet). Is it possible to do the following with the EDP? 1. I start with a 16 bar "bass line" 2. As soon as it's over, I start looping it and playing and recording stuff over it. 3. After recording a few additional layers, I want to go back to just the bass line for one pass 4. Now go back to the "built-up" version I created in step 2. Is there a way to do that with the Echoplex? Also, I have a TD-10 Roland V-drum module which can store lots of built-in patterns. Would it be possible to have the EDP tell the TD-10 switch from one pattern to the next when I move from one loop to another? Thanks a lot. Adrian West One-Man String Quartet www.adrianwest.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 22:19:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D99E3BF56; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050726221939.66903.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:19:39 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: "caution" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050726191113.38513.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:19:41 +0000 (UTC) I've made many loops that have faded into a vortex. The vortex rules. Mark --- daniel stevenson wrote: > ""sheesh be carefull!!! one of you is going to hook > up too many computers in loops and create a rift in > the fabric of time,transforming reality into a > infinite musical note,spanning endless/seemless > loops untill all matter fades into a vortex.lol. > scary visionary. > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 22:37:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21C943BF5E; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k+O1Nbwyclp7oPRXablGBG9ASvkoDqnOlH6cl/FTXygB8nzlpIihympK7Yh/a+tQFuUm1BoMEmlqkU0+M86gY5LPgLb9R6w5yjFrNqM7OuowN+hCExZGyWSFnmkyICbAUTswKWhzQcfCp9pmc7X8Zu2vY33hqN8tgfHsIOO7kcs= Message-ID: <64b81a780507261537452029f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:37:40 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "caution" In-Reply-To: <20050726221939.66903.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050726191113.38513.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050726221939.66903.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2CplvD.A.bnC.2sr5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I think my Vortex came with a factory patch that rips the fabric of space time for you then pours the resulting mess through stereo panning delays. ;) On 7/26/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > I've made many loops that have faded into a vortex. > The vortex rules. >=20 > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 22:45:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 519103BF47; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N2bPwGHYTEBlzgeW3C9StQZGSzZtVojUbWCbczE7C0fLAAFw2Pjjklfj5JNhlMjy855jOrJcPKswWCL1QM6lWOAXA35zbZ5dqs/Vbe3E1t0H6B6f7S0DPPnjXD6holIddEhLMG+FfFMrOSgWLXF4YATTipGVHB/0VgqwUs5TBvc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:45:44 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050726175704.24963.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I think so. Make sure moreloops=3D2, loopcopy=3Dsound, autorecord=3Don Record, play bass line. End bassline with NextLoop Immediately begin playing your overdubs, indicate end of second loop with Overdub, continue with new layers. When you want to go back to the naked first loop, do a NextLoop, which will take you back to loop 1. You need to have quantize turned on and set to Loop or Cyc, or be really precise with your NextLoop press. When you want to go to the loop with overdubs, press NextLoop again. On 7/26/05, Adrian West wrote: > I have a question for savvy Echoplex users. (I'm considering upgrading fr= om > my Boomerang to an EDP, but I'm not sure yet). >=20 > Is it possible to do the following with the EDP? >=20 > 1. I start with a 16 bar "bass line" > 2. As soon as it's over, I start looping it and playing and recording stu= ff > over it. > 3. After recording a few additional layers, I want to go back to just the > bass line for one pass > 4. Now go back to the "built-up" version I created in step 2. >=20 > Is there a way to do that with the Echoplex? >=20 > Also, I have a TD-10 Roland V-drum module which can store lots of built-i= n > patterns. Would it be possible to have the EDP tell the TD-10 switch from > one pattern to the next when I move from one loop to another? >=20 > Thanks a lot. >=20 > Adrian West > One-Man String Quartet > www.adrianwest.com >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 22:47:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A575D3BF3E; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050726224743.29937.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:47:43 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006f01c59216$8b9f83f0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:47:44 +0000 (UTC) I've used MIDI drum pads, but I mostly like to set them up for a live performance. The reason I love to use a MIDI keyboard for drum programming is that I like to have access to the entire kit I have called up so I can quickly audition sounds against each other. --- Tony K wrote: > Have you considered using something like the Yamaha > DD50 pads? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 22:49:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF853BF60; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20050726180147.DC55E3C006@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050726180147.DC55E3C006@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <136F8B5D-9AAA-40EF-BA4E-FD78AAA3A011@collective.co.uk> Cc: "Hartung, Kris" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:49:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi, let me preface this by saying that I've never used an EDP myself, though I've seen one used (by Mr Lawson himself, and others). Augustus Loop is much more based on a 'tape looper' than something like the EDP. My impression of the EDP is that it's very much about recording, playing back and layering 'phrases'. Whereas Augustus is basically a big delay/echo, but with tap tempo and a bunch of other looping-related features. And of course there's the whole 'tape' simulation bit e.g. if you throw it into reverse, you actually get the sound of the tape slowing down and heading the other way. Multiply (or something like it) is coming in the next major update to Augustus, which is maybe a few weeks away. cheers, os. On 26 Jul 2005, at 19:01, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers- delight.com wrote: > From: "Hartung, Kris" > Date: 26 July 2005 18:03:23 BDT > To: > Subject: RE: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? > > > OS - Can you share the cross-section of EDP and August features? In > other words, what features does August have in common with the > EDP? For > instance, does it have the equivalent of Multiply? I'm sure it has > its > own set of unique features as well. > > Kris > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 22:53:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F2DC3BF67; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <20050726190421.2EC103C01F@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050726190421.2EC103C01F@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Digital Performer / Logic Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:53:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Resent-Message-ID: <5x3BfD.A.3rD.n7r5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:53:27 +0000 (UTC) I test my plug-ins against DP and Logic. DP makes me happy, in the same way that my Mac makes me happy. It just works. It's intuitive. Logic frankly baffles me. I've no idea how to do anything in it. my 2 cents. os. > On Jul 26, 2005, at 19:49, mark sottilaro wrote: > > >> I keep hearing "Logic, Logic, Logic!" >> >> Is it truely all that? I've been a happy Digital >> Performer user for years. What about Logic makes >> people all coo-coo over it? > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 22:55:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8453BF61; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EJZLkjmZuKJZBRerXkLDnGgZgl5ugWZq4O2ePp0ON8Wf7F65Bjnwzzqv9hOuMda/se8pTG0pnYx1LdXSFXtO0sRBEVdDdHryPbVJU8Q2r59RsA8sYnIiPP9XeX54AWC0Q61Y8I/7GT795CkB2+p93MY/otQEFtedLHkT4uyfSAY= ; Message-ID: <20050726225531.34866.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:55:31 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Fwd: Re: "caution" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1800971289-1122418531=:34217" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:55:33 +0000 (UTC) --0-1800971289-1122418531=:34217 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1153368249-1122418531=:34217" --0-1153368249-1122418531=:34217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1153368249-1122418531=:34217-- --0-1800971289-1122418531=:34217 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from [67.149.131.253] by web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:49:48 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:49:48 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: "caution" To: Todd Pafford In-Reply-To: <64b81a780507261537452029f5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-356982580-1122418188=:62219" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 851 --0-356982580-1122418188=:62219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well,if givin the chance i would regress in time and play some radical soundscapes for hg wells(maby i did but didnt do it yet)after a nooner with cleopatra and her chambermaids!!!but seriously,looping is time manipulation to our primtive sensory receptors and we all know free your mind and your ass will follow. scary. Todd Pafford wrote:Yeah, I think my Vortex came with a factory patch that rips the fabric of space time for you then pours the resulting mess through stereo panning delays. ;) On 7/26/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > I've made many loops that have faded into a vortex. > The vortex rules. > > Mark > --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-356982580-1122418188=:62219 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

well,if givin the chance i would regress in time and play some radical soundscapes for hg wells(maby i did but didnt do it yet)after a nooner with cleopatra and her chambermaids!!!but seriously,looping is time manipulation to our primtive sensory receptors and we all know free your mind and your ass will follow.     scary.

Todd Pafford <calenlas@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, I think my Vortex came with a factory patch that rips the fabric
of space time for you then pours the resulting mess through stereo
panning delays.

;)

On 7/26/05, mark sottilaro wrote:
> I've made many loops that have faded into a vortex.
> The vortex rules.
>
> Mark
>

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-356982580-1122418188=:62219-- --0-1800971289-1122418531=:34217-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 22:57:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0A603BF6F; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <136F8B5D-9AAA-40EF-BA4E-FD78AAA3A011@collective.co.uk> References: <20050726180147.DC55E3C006@arsenic.violacea.com> <136F8B5D-9AAA-40EF-BA4E-FD78AAA3A011@collective.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Echoplex-style functionality on a mac? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:56:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <9418XB.A.7_D.I_r5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:57:12 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 27, 2005, at 0:49, Os wrote: > Multiply (or something like it) is coming in the next major update > to Augustus, which is maybe a few weeks away. Excellent! :-D Great news! Thanks! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 23:26:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8CD73BF5D; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01bc01c59239$878c57c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Rick Walker's drum sample collection available Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:27:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Mark Sottilaro wrote about finding a traditional drum sounds for his sampler/drum machine and I wanted to let people know that I have assembled a very large and really well organized DVD of electronic drum sounds, sounds from the history of drum machines, creative sounds, industrial sounds. I spent hours and hours combing the web, lurking at now defunct drum machine sites, individual musician sample collections and have organized the collection into Electronic drums, Acoustic drums, Industrial drums and then individually into timbre and funtion related sub categories (for example, the Analogue Hats and Cymbals folder is further divided into Clicks, Crashes, HiHats, Metalbeat Sounds, Miscellany, Noiseblasts, Synthetic Percussion and Synthetic Rides. Also, in this DVD collection, I have enough pads, basses, guitars, keyboards and Acoustic Percussion to make a program like Fruity Loops or Battery very musical, indeed. Anyway, I sell this private collection (which also has the sounds I sampled from my very large collection of 20 pre-digital drum machines) for $25 (p + h) if anyone is interested. It literally has taken me hundreds of hours to assemble it so I think you'll be pleased if pick up a copy. You can send a personal check made out to Rick Walker to 412 Darwin Santa Cruz, California 95062-2629 If you are out of the US, you can pay me through my paypal account. Email me if you'd like it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 23:40:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3645D3BF69; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:44:40 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp. To: Message-id: <001501c5923b$fdf14360$27dba344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6a04bab8e5c77c56711e0c872d21a2cc@suitandtieguy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:40:03 +0000 (UTC) If you use a volume pedal and a delay and loop what you create with that then the chances are that someone will approach you after a show and talk to you about Fripp. At which point you can tell him, "Yes, I've heard of Fripp. But from what I understand he's very different from me. He uses his left foot on the volume pedal, whereas I -- and I'm sure you noticed this tonight -- I use my RIGHT foot on the volume pedal." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suit & Tie Guy" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp. > Michael Pregeant wrote: > > Well what do you guys say to the following equipment list I have come > > up with? > > [Rackmount Equipment] > > 2-Eventide H8000 Ultra-Harmonizer > > 1-TC Electronic G-Force > > 4-TC Electronic D-Two Multi-Tap Delay > > 2-Rocktron Voodu On-line tube guitar Preamps > > [Foot Pedals] > > 1-Roland GR-20 Guitar Synthisizer > > 1-Roland GR-33 Guitar Synth > > 2 things: > > a) you will not sound anything like robert fripp with that setup. > > b) that's a lot of money. perhaps you should listen to what 80s new > wave Fripp said about "small, mobile, and intelligent" before following > cranky old Fripp into the > hitherto-unoccupied-by-those-who-were-not-Berlin-School area of ambient > gear bloat. > > i mean, i guess i did have to learn how to sound like "God save the > queen" before i could sound like "That which passes". with a keyboard. > > hopefully i'll have my own sound. until then the Fripp pastiches > continue: > > http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sounds/stg_acceptance_early.mp3 > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 26 23:55:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 164253BF7E; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:00:14 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Lightening up To: Message-id: <005901c5923e$2ada3ba0$27dba344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6a04bab8e5c77c56711e0c872d21a2cc@suitandtieguy.com> <001501c5923b$fdf14360$27dba344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: <6zBXFD.A.gpG.41s5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:55:36 +0000 (UTC) A little off topic, but interesting within a loop-person's context. http://www.lumonics.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 00:15:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CDA33BF86; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <001501c5923b$fdf14360$27dba344@hppav> References: <6a04bab8e5c77c56711e0c872d21a2cc@suitandtieguy.com> <001501c5923b$fdf14360$27dba344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <793664fed3d4eacbe6233de865fde72c@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp. Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:15:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:15:23 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 26, 2005, at 6:44 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > But from what I understand he's very different from me. He uses his > left > foot on the volume pedal, whereas I -- and I'm sure you noticed this > tonight -- I use my RIGHT foot on the volume pedal." OMG David that's the missing part!!!! I TOTALLY forgot about that aspect of his cranky perched-ness. left foot on the volume, right foot on the insert into the loop and/or wah or other controller. before the PC1600 i was using a Yamaha MFC-1 midi foot controller for the PCM-80. i set the volume-to-loop to be controlled from an FC7 near my left foot. see, i was doing it completely backwards. so how do people react when you clue them in to this difference? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 00:32:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E89483BF82; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IH9ulI9kFFP9T28iJCnV4h4eN8cq+ZHnM4+ih2v5tqkqeTr4CZUgIZO3wT7b26u0MhB0HN+2ssGBBDSqxwy3DbxWtk47C/m9G2DAaQulNLO49XafB6jdFW2CWHQ86O+vQYB0XzckwImqcOWoD89jYL3MixDbvyX3hym94ym8Y7s= ; Message-ID: <20050727003235.61579.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: real time on line jam room To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1068223597-1122424355=:61559" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:32:36 +0000 (UTC) --0-1068223597-1122424355=:61559 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit does anyone got rooms started where we can jam via voice chat?we could invite thru yahoo messenger.i would dig hearin everyone play live and put my two cents in.has any one waded thru the "acoustic pond"that was a good room when they wasnt bitchin bout me being a recording(i tried to explain loops but they insisted it was prerecorded multitrack)but yeah on~line jam room ,can ya dig it? scary visionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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does anyone got rooms started where we can jam via voice chat?we could invite thru yahoo messenger.i would dig hearin everyone play live and put my two cents in.has any one waded thru the "acoustic pond"that was a good room when they wasnt bitchin bout me being a recording(i tried to explain loops but they insisted it was prerecorded multitrack)but yeah on~line jam room ,can ya dig it?    scary visionary.

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1068223597-1122424355=:61559-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 00:44:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D3F83BF92; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59244.613A2DEB" Subject: RE: real time on line jam room Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:44:42 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260864@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: real time on line jam room Thread-Index: AcWSQrMj0cxEPaLBQ4ilcXU5E9yf/gAAZaWQ From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2005 00:44:44.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[61856250:01C59244] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:44:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59244.613A2DEB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I moderate the LoopMusic Yahoo group, which has chat and voice activated: =20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ =20 Feel free to join and I'll get in the room, listening for you!=20 =20 Kris =20 ________________________________ From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: real time on line jam room does anyone got rooms started where we can jam via voice chat?we could invite thru yahoo messenger.i would dig hearin everyone play live and put my two cents in.has any one waded thru the "acoustic pond"that was a good room when they wasnt bitchin bout me being a recording(i tried to explain loops but they insisted it was prerecorded multitrack)but yeah on~line jam room ,can ya dig it? scary visionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59244.613A2DEB Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I moderate the LoopMusic Yahoo group, which has = chat and=20 voice activated:
 
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Feel free to join and I'll get in the room, = listening for=20 you!
 
Kris
 

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does anyone got rooms started where we can jam via voice chat?we = could=20 invite thru yahoo messenger.i would dig hearin everyone play live and = put my two=20 cents in.has any one waded thru the "acoustic pond"that was a good room = when=20 they wasnt bitchin bout me being a recording(i tried to explain loops = but they=20 insisted it was prerecorded multitrack)but yeah on~line jam room ,can ya = dig=20 it?    scary visionary.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C59244.613A2DEB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 00:49:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58E3C3BF87; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZuBSukHYh2OpR8Rd89WyayR5ZqmyrM7S+1DXh/6D6i//JVPrHCRTcCCnJBIsPEf2TlWZVZzpRHC0ENl/mbl3793KbigHHwRyScDV0xtg5IDJe0cVKHWRSqI+NwmHkfjipH5wx/7ahLev6xI1oPM/y7K1tWehYbnyxPuHF7/T+4I= ; Message-ID: <20050727004920.57746.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: RE: real time on line jam room To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260864@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1219074085-1122425360=:57568" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3vs7ZB.A.q-H.Rot5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:49:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-1219074085-1122425360=:57568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit awsome! i figured you of all people would know. thanks;) "Hartung, Kris" wrote:I moderate the LoopMusic Yahoo group, which has chat and voice activated: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ Feel free to join and I'll get in the room, listening for you! Kris --------------------------------- From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: real time on line jam room does anyone got rooms started where we can jam via voice chat?we could invite thru yahoo messenger.i would dig hearin everyone play live and put my two cents in.has any one waded thru the "acoustic pond"that was a good room when they wasnt bitchin bout me being a recording(i tried to explain loops but they insisted it was prerecorded multitrack)but yeah on~line jam room ,can ya dig it? scary visionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1219074085-1122425360=:57568 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
awsome! i figured you of all people would know. thanks;)

"Hartung, Kris" <kris.hartung@hp.com> wrote:
I moderate the LoopMusic Yahoo group, which has chat and voice activated:
 
 
Feel free to join and I'll get in the room, listening for you!
 
Kris
 

From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:33 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: real time on line jam room

does anyone got rooms started where we can jam via voice chat?we could invite thru yahoo messenger.i would dig hearin everyone play live and put my two cents in.has any one waded thru the "acoustic pond"that was a good room when they wasnt bitchin bout me being a recording(i tried to explain loops but they insisted it was prerecorded multitrack)but yeah on~line jam room ,can ya dig it?    scary visionary.

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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1219074085-1122425360=:57568-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 01:04:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F4533BF9C; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Kw4h3mqxZEMIf57KtSjDkBXEoBNz84G47L4IXSONMK9+t/PhEh3rpmfPkgDazYBf; Message-ID: <410-22005732711055360@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Tone for guitar - was Re: re:delurking (lifeless guitar tone) (forloops?) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:10:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940912376a033fbfaa26f8369c412227aee350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.129.131 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:04:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Ah, the Zeppelin "Black Dog" sound! Straight into the "desk" and crank the input. I think the fuzz on Gong's "Angel's Egg" was done this way as well? ~Tim Mungenast ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/25/2005 12:12:23 PM Subject: Tone for guitar - was Re: re:delurking (lifeless guitar tone) (forloops?) I'm so iching to get into a recording studio and plug my guitar directly into the board and to overdrive some inputs to get a nice, hairy, raw, fritzy-crip sound. It's nothing anyone here would want to do so I can live vicariously, right?? :-)) David ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Ah, the Zeppelin "Black Dog" sound! Straight into the "desk" and crank the input. I think the fuzz on Gong's "Angel's Egg" was done this way as well?
~Tim Mungenast
 
 
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I'm so iching to get into a recording studio and plug my guitar directly into the board and to overdrive some inputs to get a nice, hairy, raw, fritzy-crip sound.  It's nothing anyone here would want to do so I can live vicariously, right?? :-))
 
David
 
 
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 01:08:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F5A13BF4D; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hKNrrT4Xi5ZwzTTFiOA6fYn7tKKSMZpEIDOGk46WdFn5crvSE6m45tsfHTLDyVoP; Message-ID: <410-22005732711448410@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re:delurking (lifeless guitar tone) (for loops?) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:14:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940c579a2ff5325ad57e36efa5c10bf24c4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.129.131 Resent-Message-ID: <3pDCGB.A.ft.25t5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:08:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII The Rat *is* a very cost-effective, durable pedal that can give you the Mahavishnu "Inner Mounting Flame" tone or the Fripp tone with very little trouble. Just remember that when the footswitch gets dirty, the pedal acts as if it's time to throw it away, but a few clicks of the switch (to clear out the crud) straigtens things out nicely. Sonic Wa, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: scott hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/25/2005 12:06:42 PM Subject: re:delurking (lifeless guitar tone) (for loops?) well, one person's "lifeless guitar tone could = anothers tone from heaven" it is very subjective. i can't really comment on the pod pro, but have heard good things and if you're using that w/ a repeater, that's already a 4 space rack... one solution that i have been experimenting w/ that i got from a vernon reid interview in tapeop was to combine digital modelling (he used roland vg8) w/ some type of tube preamp in recording. i think he was using some mic preamp to "warm the signal up" (again subjective terms). i was experiencing similar thoughts/ideas and decided to get this peavey tj raxx tube preamp unit to use w/ my digitech rp100 and i thought it worked pretty well for me for loop experimenting. i also occasionally sub in a digitech rp7 for the rp100, its a tube preamp that has a nice "warm" sound, but isn't easy to program (in my opinion). the other option is to strip down your gear and see what is essential. last nite i put away my "regular preamps" and got out my old rat pedal and was using that into my loop setup, and i was amazed at the clarity of tone, felt "more pure guitar" tone, and did a little playing this am w/ it too. i think one thing for guitarists is the old addage that we're never happy w/ tone/sound/whatever...so at times it becomes like the old story of hendrix w/ wah wahs, 1st one sucked he thought, tech goes through 10, not happy, puts #1 back in, and that one sounds good all of a sudden. i experience this all the time it seems. never happy, always searching....oh well.....just some thoughts....s--- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
The Rat *is* a very cost-effective, durable pedal that can give you the Mahavishnu "Inner Mounting Flame" tone or the Fripp tone with very little trouble. Just remember that when the footswitch gets dirty, the pedal acts as if it's time to throw it away, but a few clicks of the switch (to clear out the crud) straigtens things out nicely.
Sonic Wa,
Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 7/25/2005 12:06:42 PM
Subject: re:delurking (lifeless guitar tone) (for loops?)

well, one person's "lifeless guitar tone could = anothers tone from heaven"
it is very subjective.
i can't really comment on the pod pro, but have heard good things and if
you're using that w/ a repeater, that's already a 4 space rack...
one solution that i have been experimenting w/ that i got from a vernon reid interview
in tapeop was to combine digital modelling (he used roland vg8) w/ some type of tube
preamp in recording. i think he was using some mic preamp to "warm the signal up" (again
subjective terms). i was experiencing similar thoughts/ideas and decided to get this
peavey tj raxx tube preamp unit to use w/ my digitech rp100 and i thought it worked pretty well
for me for loop experimenting. i also occasionally sub in a digitech rp7 for the rp100, its a tube
preamp that has a nice "warm" sound, but isn't easy to program (in my opinion).
the other option is to strip down your gear and see what is essential. last nite i put away
my "regular preamps" and got out my old rat pedal and was using that into my loop setup, and i was amazed at the clarity of tone, felt "more pure guitar" tone, and did a little playing this am w/ it too.
i think one thing for guitarists is the old addage that we're never happy w/ tone/sound/whatever...so at times it becomes like the old story of hendrix w/ wah wahs, 1st one sucked he thought, tech goes through 10, not happy, puts #1 back in, and that one sounds good all of a sudden. i experience this all the time it seems. never happy, always searching....oh well.....just some thoughts....s---

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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 01:11:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8A9F3BFA7; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005001c59248$24e9cd50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: lightening up Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:11:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:11:32 +0000 (UTC) David wrote: "A little off topic, but interesting within a loop-person's context. http://www.lumonics.net/" Pretty interesting. We should do these visual artists a favor and offer them some of our looping music to accompany their imagery. As frequently happens with a lot of visual art installations, the music that attends it is not nearly up to the sophistication of the visuals. I made the mistake of turning the sound on at the website. The cliched new age, slightly world beaty music was awful. Let's send 'em music, gang! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 01:12:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E373F3BFA5; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59248.3DF7149F" Subject: RE: delurking (lifeless guitar tone) (for loops?) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:12:21 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0126086E@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: delurking (lifeless guitar tone) (for loops?) Thread-Index: AcWSR6bOrp5X4g0iSGSKslaVDwzFWwAABPbA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2005 01:12:22.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E3FB3F0:01C59248] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:12:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59248.3DF7149F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable not to mention the scofield sound....he uses them.=20 http://www.johnscofield.com/equip.html =20 k- ________________________________ From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re:delurking (lifeless guitar tone) (for loops?) The Rat *is* a very cost-effective, durable pedal that can give you the Mahavishnu "Inner Mounting Flame" tone or the Fripp tone with very little trouble. Just remember that when the footswitch gets dirty, the pedal acts as if it's time to throw it away, but a few clicks of the switch (to clear out the crud) straigtens things out nicely. Sonic Wa, Tim =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scott hansen =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/25/2005 12:06:42 PM=20 Subject: re:delurking (lifeless guitar tone) (for loops?) =09 well, one person's "lifeless guitar tone could =3D anothers tone from heaven" it is very subjective. i can't really comment on the pod pro, but have heard good things and if you're using that w/ a repeater, that's already a 4 space rack... one solution that i have been experimenting w/ that i got from a vernon reid interview in tapeop was to combine digital modelling (he used roland vg8) w/ some type of tube preamp in recording. i think he was using some mic preamp to "warm the signal up" (again subjective terms). i was experiencing similar thoughts/ideas and decided to get this peavey tj raxx tube preamp unit to use w/ my digitech rp100 and i thought it worked pretty well for me for loop experimenting. i also occasionally sub in a digitech rp7 for the rp100, its a tube preamp that has a nice "warm" sound, but isn't easy to program (in my opinion). the other option is to strip down your gear and see what is essential. last nite i put away my "regular preamps" and got out my old rat pedal and was using that into my loop setup, and i was amazed at the clarity of tone, felt "more pure guitar" tone, and did a little playing this am w/ it too. i think one thing for guitarists is the old addage that we're never happy w/ tone/sound/whatever...so at times it becomes like the old story of hendrix w/ wah wahs, 1st one sucked he thought, tech goes through 10, not happy, puts #1 back in, and that one sounds good all of a sudden. i experience this all the time it seems. never happy, always searching....oh well.....just some thoughts....s--- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59248.3DF7149F Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
not to mention the scofield sound....he uses = them.=20
http://www.johnscofield.c= om/equip.html
 
k-

From: Timothy Mungenast=20 [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 = 7:15=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 re:delurking (lifeless guitar tone) (for loops?)

The Rat *is* a very = cost-effective,=20 durable pedal that can give you the Mahavishnu "Inner Mounting Flame" = tone or=20 the Fripp tone with very little trouble. Just remember that = when the=20 footswitch gets dirty, the pedal acts as if it's time to throw it away, = but a=20 few clicks of the switch (to clear out the crud) straigtens things out=20 nicely.
Sonic Wa,
Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 scott=20 hansen
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Sent: 7/25/2005 12:06:42 PM =
Subject: re:delurking (lifeless = guitar=20 tone) (for loops?)

well, one person's "lifeless guitar tone could =3D anothers tone = from=20 heaven"
it is very subjective.
i can't really comment on the pod pro, but have heard good things = and=20 if
you're using that w/ a repeater, that's already a 4 space = rack...
one solution that i have been experimenting w/ that i got from a = vernon=20 reid interview
in tapeop was to combine digital modelling (he used roland vg8) = w/ some=20 type of tube
preamp in recording. i think he was using some mic preamp to = "warm the=20 signal up" (again
subjective terms). i was experiencing similar thoughts/ideas and = decided=20 to get this
peavey tj raxx tube preamp unit to use w/ my digitech rp100 and i = thought=20 it worked pretty well
for me for loop experimenting. i also occasionally sub in a = digitech rp7=20 for the rp100, its a tube
preamp that has a nice "warm" sound, but isn't easy to program = (in my=20 opinion).
the other option is to strip down your gear and see what is = essential.=20 last nite i put away
my "regular preamps" and got out my old rat pedal and was using = that into=20 my loop setup, and i was amazed at the clarity of tone, felt "more = pure=20 guitar" tone, and did a little playing this am w/ it too.
i think one thing for guitarists is the old addage that we're = never happy=20 w/ tone/sound/whatever...so at times it becomes like the old story of = hendrix=20 w/ wah wahs, 1st one sucked he thought, tech goes through 10, not = happy, puts=20 #1 back in, and that one sounds good all of a sudden. i experience = this all=20 the time it seems. never happy, always searching....oh well.....just = some=20 thoughts....s---

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C59248.3DF7149F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 01:13:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A05353BFB4; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:17:29 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: lightening up To: Message-id: <00bd01c59248$f55c61a0$27dba344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <005001c59248$24e9cd50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:13:05 +0000 (UTC) That's what I thought. ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: lightening up > David wrote: > "A little off topic, but interesting within a loop-person's context. > > http://www.lumonics.net/" > > > > Pretty interesting. We should do these visual artists a favor and offer > them some of our looping music > to accompany their imagery. As frequently happens with a lot of visual > art installations, the music > that attends it is not nearly up to the sophistication of the visuals. > > I made the mistake of turning the sound on at the website. The cliched > new age, slightly world beaty > music was awful. Let's send 'em music, gang! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 01:18:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 035F73BFBB; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050727004920.57746.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050727004920.57746.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-238488820 Message-Id: <8b640ddbf6269c46586972824bdae474@griffpeters.com> From: Griff Peters Subject: Re: real time on line jam room Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:18:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:18:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-238488820 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed By far the hippest thing going on in real-time jamming is at the=20 eJamming website. http://www.ejamming.com Definitely worth a look. Griff On Jul 26, 2005, at 5:49 PM, daniel stevenson wrote: > awsome! i figured you of all people would know. thanks;) > > "Hartung, Kris" wrote:I moderate the LoopMusic=20= > Yahoo group, which has chat and voice activated: >> =A0 >> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ >> =A0 >> Feel free to join and I'll get in the room, listening for you! >> =A0 >> Kris >> =A0 >> >> From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:33 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: real time on line jam room >> >> does anyone got rooms started where we can jam via voice chat?we=20 >> could invite thru yahoo messenger.i would dig hearin everyone play=20 >> live and put my two cents in.has any one waded thru the "acoustic=20 >> pond"that was a good room when they wasnt bitchin bout me being a=20 >> recording(i tried to explain loops but they insisted it was=20 >> prerecorded multitrack)but yeah on~line jam room ,can ya dig it?=A0=A0=A0= =20 >> scary visionary. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.comStart your day with Yahoo! - make it your home=20= >> page= --Apple-Mail-6-238488820 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 By far the hippest thing going on in real-time jamming is at the eJamming website.=20 http://www.ejamming.com=20 Definitely worth a look. Griff=20 On Jul 26, 2005, at 5:49 PM, daniel stevenson wrote: awsome! i figured you of all people would know. thanks;) "Hartung, Kris" < = wrote:Arial0000,0000,FFFF= I moderate the LoopMusic Yahoo group, which has chat and voice = activated: =A0 = Arial0000,0000,EEEEhttp://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ =A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFFeel free to join and I'll get in the room, listening for = you! =A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFKris =A0 From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: real time on line jam room does anyone got rooms started where we can jam via voice chat?we could invite thru yahoo messenger.i would dig hearin everyone play live and put my two cents in.has any one waded thru the "acoustic pond"that was a good room when they wasnt bitchin bout me being a recording(i tried to explain loops but they insisted it was prerecorded multitrack)but yeah on~line jam room ,can ya dig it?=A0=A0=A0 scary visionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com0000,0000,EEEEStart your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page= --Apple-Mail-6-238488820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 02:20:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55F553BFAF; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bhQ7zYXuXxUwWO5V+hIGWSpykCGaTRq36Y+VdOJv45oXLV7LxH+SIWJ6bKuDdukR9sbF1/+YYuodAbcJjAq5D3W2jk5FEhhW8KDxiseEZxN7uHRHyIHT24SQSlezMd7mNW3KEzbRBzReC9hY4A8VCkceJSMEHM6gPkAMRfakOZE= ; Message-ID: <20050727022040.7811.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:20:40 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: real time on line jam room To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8b640ddbf6269c46586972824bdae474@griffpeters.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-649015937-1122430840=:5542" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:20:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-649015937-1122430840=:5542 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit wow thanks ,the ejam looks pretty cool .really sucks im not midi (you got me lookin into it,ty)are there a lot of musicians using it? Griff Peters wrote:By far the hippest thing going on in real-time jamming is at the eJamming website. http://www.ejamming.com Definitely worth a look. Griff On Jul 26, 2005, at 5:49 PM, daniel stevenson wrote: > awsome! i figured you of all people would know. thanks;) > > "Hartung, Kris" wrote:I moderate the LoopMusic > Yahoo group, which has chat and voice activated: >> >> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ >> >> Feel free to join and I'll get in the room, listening for you! >> >> Kris >> >> >> From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:33 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: real time on line jam room >> >> does anyone got rooms started where we can jam via voice chat?we >> could invite thru yahoo messenger.i would dig hearin everyone play >> live and put my two cents in.has any one waded thru the "acoustic >> pond"that was a good room when they wasnt bitchin bout me being a >> recording(i tried to explain loops but they insisted it was >> prerecorded multitrack)but yeah on~line jam room ,can ya dig it? >> scary visionary. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.comStart your day with Yahoo! - make it your home >> page --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-649015937-1122430840=:5542 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
wow thanks ,the ejam looks pretty cool .really sucks im not midi (you got me lookin into it,ty)are there a lot of musicians using it?

Griff Peters <griff@griffpeters.com> wrote:
By far the hippest thing going on in real-time jamming is at the
eJamming website.

http://www.ejamming.com

Definitely worth a look.

Griff

On Jul 26, 2005, at 5:49 PM, daniel stevenson wrote:

> awsome! i figured you of all people would know. thanks;)
>
> "Hartung, Kris" wrote:I moderate the LoopMusic
> Yahoo group, which has chat and voice activated:
>>  
>> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/
>>  
>> Feel free to join and I'll get in the room, listening for you!
>>  
>> Kris
>>  
>>
>> From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:33 PM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: real time on line jam room
>>
>> does anyone got rooms started where we can jam via voice chat?we
>> could invite thru yahoo messenger.i would dig hearin everyone play
>> live and put my two cents in.has any one waded thru the "acoustic
>> pond"that was a good room when they wasnt bitchin bout me being a
>> recording(i tried to explain loops but they insisted it was
>> prerecorded multitrack)but yeah on~line jam room ,can ya dig it?   
>> scary visionary.
>>
>> __________________________________________________
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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-649015937-1122430840=:5542-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 03:31:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8D263BFAA; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: 70 Studio & Looping MP3s Filterable by 19 Categories Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:31:35 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260873@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 70 Studio & Looping MP3s Filterable by 19 Categories Thread-Index: AcWSW7DTvW2Ti2pRTFu1S39+nS6VlA== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2005 03:31:37.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1D62D90:01C5925B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, I just completed an absolutely arduous and emotional draining project to categorize 70 of my live and studio looping MP3s by 19 different fields or data points. I created a Microsoft Excel tool where potential listeners can search for my music by filtering with the following fields: Song Title, Duration, Size, CD, Buy CD Link, Download Link, Type of Recording, Genre/Style 1, Genre/Style 2, Genre/Style 3, Recording Date, Venue, Musicians / Instruments, Temp, Mood/Feel 1, Mood/Feel 2, Mood/Feel 3, Mood/Feel 4, Mood/Feel 5 The studio clips are from my last two CDs and from my two upcoming CDs, and the live clips are from various performances that I've recorded from the soundboard in the last year or so. These live clips are the raw deal and farily indicative of what you can hear at one of my gigs...the only instance where I did not make an MP3 available is if the song had a train wreck or just contained too many performances issues for me to personally tolerate publishing on my website. There were perhaps only 10 or so songs that fit into this "intolerable" bucket for me. Nonetheless, you'll find that the clips I did make available for download have plenty of glitches and imperfections, all the wonderful things you would expect to hear in spontaneously composed and improvised music! :) The Mood/Feel categories were the toughest part of this project. Basically, I started with the mood or feel that struck me the hardest, and then repeated this until there were five that could potentially help listeners frame the music before hearing it. However, I admit that this is a rather subjective and relativistic way of framing music (also granting that many digital music services do this and probably rely on a bell curve of listeners having similar connotations of certain mood descriptors). And second, it was really emotionally taxing to listen to 70 of my clips in a week's timeframe and try to stay focused on how my own music was making me feel. In this respect, this project was also a huge educational exercise for me and an exploration of my own personal feelings. In the end, I realized that my emotional vocabulary was either more limited than I had thought beforehand, or some of my music I just could not express emotionally in words. I would say that some songs or parts of my songs are just beyond language for me. In any event, for the most part I used the Mood categories published and used by the popular All Music Guide: http://www.allmusic.com (click on "Mood" under the navigation heading "Explore by..."). I used many mood descriptors of my own as well, especially where the feeling was strong for me.=20 The three genre fields were not easy either. Again, I relied heavily on the All Music genres descriptions, which I think are very informative. But again, there is a lot of fuzziness in this exercise as well. The genre that I place my songs into may not be exactly what others select based on their personal listening history and background. In any event, I don't think I am far off, especially in the category of improvisational, which applies to at least 95% of my music.=20 So, if you get a chance give the tool a try and tell me what you think. Try filtering on one of the Mood/Feel fields and then getting more granular with the four other Mood/Feel fields. See if the songs that results from your filter seem at all described by the Mood/Feel descriptors. And if a particular song brings up a mood for you that you think is more accurate than those I have listed, then by all means let me know. This part of the tool is "living" and will undergo many revisions as I gather more feedback and listen to my music again. And if you have some better ideas on the genres for some songs, I am entirely open to these suggestions as well. Finally, if you can think of any other fields that would be useful, I am open to adding those. In short, I am open to any suggestions for improvement. I will eventually start filling in the comments section of the tool as well. The tool is accessible in three formats: Interactive HTM File: http://www.boisemusicians.com/mp3_Sort.htm (be sure to widen the columns so that when you filter you can see all the text in one line, especially useful for the Musicians/Instruments field) XML File: http://www.boisemusicians.com/mp3.xml The Source Excel File (for Microsoft Users): http://www.boisemusicians.com/mp3.xls NOTE: When you click on a download link, the resulting page will allow you to download the song by clicking on the song title, or you can stream it from the server with the link below it. Cheers, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 03:46:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBA233BFAF; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050727022040.7811.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050727022040.7811.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-247354800 Message-Id: <4c8b6e97c697db223666e160f8613b22@griffpeters.com> From: Griff Peters Subject: Re: real time on line jam room Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:45:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <63vmjC.A.w3H.4Nw5CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:46:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-247354800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yes, there are some cool jams going on. I have the feeling that there will be a lot more really talented people=20= joining the jam rooms on eJamming really soon. I've had jams with some=20= ridiculously good players on eJamming already. I play guitar synth=20 myself. Others play keys or drums or whatever. Word is just now getting out... I think it's a great technology. Griff On Jul 26, 2005, at 7:20 PM, daniel stevenson wrote: > wow thanks ,the ejam looks pretty cool .really sucks im not midi (you=20= > got me lookin into it,ty)are there a lot of musicians using it? > > Griff Peters wrote:By far the hippest thing=20 > going on in real-time jamming is at the >> eJamming website. >> >> http://www.ejamming.com >> >> Definitely worth a look. >> >> Griff >> >> On Jul 26, 2005, at 5:49 PM, daniel stevenson wrote: >> >> > awsome! i figured you of all people would know. thanks;) >> > >> > "Hartung, Kris" wrote:I moderate the LoopMusic >> > Yahoo group, which has chat and voice activated: >> >> =A0 >> >> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ >> >> =A0 >> >> Feel free to join and I'll get in the room, listening for you! >> >> =A0 >> >> Kris >> >> =A0 >> >> >> >> From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:33 PM >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Subject: real time on line jam room >> >> >> >> does anyone got rooms started where we can jam via voice chat?we >> >> could invite thru yahoo messenger.i would dig hearin everyone play >> >> live and put my two cents in.has any one waded thru the "acoustic >> >> pond"that was a good room when they wasnt bitchin bout me being a >> >> recording(i tried to explain loops but they insisted it was >> >> prerecorded multitrack)but yeah on~line jam room ,can ya dig = it?=A0=A0=A0 >> >> scary visionary. >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> >> Do You Yahoo!? >> >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> >> http://mail.yahoo.comStart your day with Yahoo! - make it your = home >> >> pageStart your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page= --Apple-Mail-7-247354800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, there are some cool jams going on. I have the feeling that there will be a lot more really talented people joining the jam rooms on eJamming really soon. I've had jams with some ridiculously good players on eJamming already. I play guitar synth myself. Others play keys or drums or whatever.=20 Word is just now getting out... I think it's a great technology. Griff On Jul 26, 2005, at 7:20 PM, daniel stevenson wrote: wow thanks ,the ejam looks pretty cool .really sucks im not midi (you got me lookin into it,ty)are there a lot of musicians using it? Griff Peters < wrote:By far the hippest thing going on in real-time jamming is at the eJamming website. http://www.ejamming.com Definitely worth a look. Griff On Jul 26, 2005, at 5:49 PM, daniel stevenson wrote: > awsome! i figured you of all people would know. thanks;) > > "Hartung, Kris" wrote:I moderate the LoopMusic > Yahoo group, which has chat and voice activated: >> =A0 >> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ >> =A0 >> Feel free to join and I'll get in the room, listening for you! >> =A0 >> Kris >> =A0 >> >> From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:33 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: real time on line jam room >> >> does anyone got rooms started where we can jam via voice chat?we >> could invite thru yahoo messenger.i would dig hearin everyone play >> live and put my two cents in.has any one waded thru the "acoustic >> pond"that was a good room when they wasnt bitchin bout me being a=20 >> recording(i tried to explain loops but they insisted it was >> prerecorded multitrack)but yeah on~line jam room ,can ya dig it?=A0=A0=A0= =20 >> scary visionary. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.comStart your day with Yahoo! - make it your home >> page0000,0000,EEEEStart your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page= --Apple-Mail-7-247354800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 06:48:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E2653BF50; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: 70 Studio & Looping MP3s Filterable by 19 Categories Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:48:08 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0126089A@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 70 Studio & Looping MP3s Filterable by 19 Categories Thread-Index: AcWSW7DTvW2Ti2pRTFu1S39+nS6VlAAGymbw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2005 06:48:10.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[274C1BF0:01C59277] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:48:14 +0000 (UTC) For those who have problems accessing the htm file below, which has web interactivity built into it, here is a static version: http://www.boisemusicians.com/mp3_Static.htm The only difference is that you can't filter on the columns, but you can see all the data. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Hartung, Kris=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:32 PM To: khartung@cableone.net; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 70 Studio & Looping MP3s Filterable by 19 Categories Hello all, I just completed an absolutely arduous and emotional draining project to categorize 70 of my live and studio looping MP3s by 19 different fields or data points. I created a Microsoft Excel tool where potential listeners can search for my music by filtering with the following fields: Song Title, Duration, Size, CD, Buy CD Link, Download Link, Type of Recording, Genre/Style 1, Genre/Style 2, Genre/Style 3, Recording Date, Venue, Musicians / Instruments, Temp, Mood/Feel 1, Mood/Feel 2, Mood/Feel 3, Mood/Feel 4, Mood/Feel 5 The studio clips are from my last two CDs and from my two upcoming CDs, and the live clips are from various performances that I've recorded from the soundboard in the last year or so. These live clips are the raw deal and farily indicative of what you can hear at one of my gigs...the only instance where I did not make an MP3 available is if the song had a train wreck or just contained too many performances issues for me to personally tolerate publishing on my website. There were perhaps only 10 or so songs that fit into this "intolerable" bucket for me. Nonetheless, you'll find that the clips I did make available for download have plenty of glitches and imperfections, all the wonderful things you would expect to hear in spontaneously composed and improvised music! :) The Mood/Feel categories were the toughest part of this project. Basically, I started with the mood or feel that struck me the hardest, and then repeated this until there were five that could potentially help listeners frame the music before hearing it. However, I admit that this is a rather subjective and relativistic way of framing music (also granting that many digital music services do this and probably rely on a bell curve of listeners having similar connotations of certain mood descriptors). And second, it was really emotionally taxing to listen to 70 of my clips in a week's timeframe and try to stay focused on how my own music was making me feel. In this respect, this project was also a huge educational exercise for me and an exploration of my own personal feelings. In the end, I realized that my emotional vocabulary was either more limited than I had thought beforehand, or some of my music I just could not express emotionally in words. I would say that some songs or parts of my songs are just beyond language for me. In any event, for the most part I used the Mood categories published and used by the popular All Music Guide: http://www.allmusic.com (click on "Mood" under the navigation heading "Explore by..."). I used many mood descriptors of my own as well, especially where the feeling was strong for me.=20 The three genre fields were not easy either. Again, I relied heavily on the All Music genres descriptions, which I think are very informative. But again, there is a lot of fuzziness in this exercise as well. The genre that I place my songs into may not be exactly what others select based on their personal listening history and background. In any event, I don't think I am far off, especially in the category of improvisational, which applies to at least 95% of my music.=20 So, if you get a chance give the tool a try and tell me what you think. Try filtering on one of the Mood/Feel fields and then getting more granular with the four other Mood/Feel fields. See if the songs that results from your filter seem at all described by the Mood/Feel descriptors. And if a particular song brings up a mood for you that you think is more accurate than those I have listed, then by all means let me know. This part of the tool is "living" and will undergo many revisions as I gather more feedback and listen to my music again. And if you have some better ideas on the genres for some songs, I am entirely open to these suggestions as well. Finally, if you can think of any other fields that would be useful, I am open to adding those. In short, I am open to any suggestions for improvement. I will eventually start filling in the comments section of the tool as well. The tool is accessible in three formats: Interactive HTM File: http://www.boisemusicians.com/mp3_Sort.htm (be sure to widen the columns so that when you filter you can see all the text in one line, especially useful for the Musicians/Instruments field) XML File: http://www.boisemusicians.com/mp3.xml The Source Excel File (for Microsoft Users): http://www.boisemusicians.com/mp3.xls NOTE: When you click on a download link, the resulting page will allow you to download the song by clicking on the song title, or you can stream it from the server with the link below it. Cheers, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 07:30:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3439C3BF5C; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <1eb.3fbc9bfd.301891fe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:30:06 EDT Subject: New to Abelton Live and VST Plugins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: kflint@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1122449406" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:30:11 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1122449406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, I've recently started to work with Abelton Live and the VST Plugins that can work with it. Anyone know of some quick sites I could look at to get some tips as opposed to just figuring it out from the manual on my own? Kenny Ryman -------------------------------1122449406 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey all,
 
I've recently started to work with Abelton Live and the VST Plugins tha= t=20 can work with it.  Anyone know of some quick sites I could look at to g= et=20 some tips as opposed to just figuring it out from the manual on my own?
 
Kenny Ryman
 -------------------------------1122449406-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 07:31:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 031523BF5C; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <1eb.3fbc9bfd.301891fe@aol.com> References: <1eb.3fbc9bfd.301891fe@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-260765731 Message-Id: From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: New to Abelton Live and VST Plugins Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:29:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:31:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-260765731 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jul 27, 2005, at 2:30 AM, Ryman1960@aol.com wrote: > Hey all, > > I've recently started to work with Abelton Live and the VST Plugins > that can work with it. Anyone know of some quick sites I could > look at to get some tips as opposed to just figuring it out from > the manual on my own? The Ableton live forums would probably be the best place to start. Go to ableton.com and look for the forum link. Jeff --Apple-Mail-4-260765731 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jul 27, 2005, = at 2:30 AM, Ryman1960@aol.com = wrote:

Hey all,
=A0
I've recently = started to work with Abelton Live and the VST Plugins that can work with = it.=A0 Anyone know of some quick sites I could look at to get some tips = as opposed to just figuring it out from the manual on my own?
=

The Ableton live = forums would probably be the best place to start. Go to ableton.com and = look for the forum link.

Jeff
= --Apple-Mail-4-260765731-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 07:43:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD8CA3BF73; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:43:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=O+XRjQgkNd9rgucfUfccWaFnYe+DldH/nvaKzkpxTXfPxVBk3v6Uzmd0CrO1+tTByMGA0KXhCIMu/vLwIJdCR8PcvSHP0Rqn2JvpG+55EY4O7v2QUJ0XNCtdodtsKgzj0UbiHCwgeZYMMVTeM0N4Dv3m7Ep7f/vm4XXOFRpGfSw= ; Message-ID: <005b01c5927e$d6180480$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20050726204655.756.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:43:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:43:13 +0000 (UTC) > check out here all the vintage beat boxes you can > dowload for free > http://www.akaipro.com/arc_kotw.html and don't forget this one if you are after realistic drums: http://www.naturalstudio.co.uk/ns_kit7freedownload.html ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 09:38:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17AD53BF5C; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00ba01c3e807$e0a76df0$b6705643@elfmaster> References: <00ba01c3e807$e0a76df0$b6705643@elfmaster> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <374F4AA7-4ECB-4BE8-82E6-C4E1B2AEC363@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:38:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <8Ov1F.A.jgF.fY15CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers, As the software Ableton Live has recently been discussed here I would like to remind you that the Loopers Delight member Andrew Chaikin, aka Kid Beyond, is now featured by an article and a great video at Ableton's web site: http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=artists&sub=kid-beyond He uses Live with MIDI foot pedal for live looping with only his voice and a mic as sound source. Be sure to check out the video at the bottom of the page! For his kind of looping Live is perfect; no overdub layering into the same loop (EDP style) but rather lining up parallel loops to build music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 12:18:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 584943BF50; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT photo theremin ... not Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:18:14 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:12:05 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.78.118 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:18:36 +0000 (UTC) does anyone have contact to 'Professor Television' ? I bought a photo theremin from his website weeks ago and haven't heard from him since, and he doesn't reply to my emails. Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 12:45:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4BE13BF5E; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:45:09 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012608B5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond Thread-Index: AcWSjvvM/Mtdc+HIRb+EToNlldG+WAAGLnOA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2005 12:45:11.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[06D86360:01C592A9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for sharing, Per! This is excellent. I saw Kid Beyond at Y2K4 last year and was blown away....unbelievable what I guy can do on stage with nothing but a mic, MIDI controller, and laptop. And he is a totally great guy to talk to, very energetic, friendly, and so on. This is a fun video, and I recognize many of the songs he's using in the demo, as he did them at Y2K4 as well. One interesting thing in the video is that it emphasizes that in Live you have to start with a pre-recorded loop of some sort, like a click, etc....you can hear him start with them. Is this still the case? Can't they remove this restriction and make it so that you can start from a blank slate? Or could you start with an empty loop with no sound (levels turned to 0) and just loop in free form? I take it that when he loops, starting with one of the pre-recorded clicks, he's quantizing againt that loop rather than maintaining the meter himself. ??? Not sure. Do you know? Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond Hi Loopers, As the software Ableton Live has recently been discussed here I would like to remind you that the Loopers Delight member Andrew Chaikin, aka Kid Beyond, is now featured by an article and a great video at Ableton's web site: http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=3Dartists&sub=3Dkid-beyond He uses Live with MIDI foot pedal for live looping with only his voice and a mic as sound source. Be sure to check out the video at the bottom of the page! For his kind of looping Live is perfect; no overdub layering into the same loop (EDP style) but rather lining up parallel loops to build music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 13:49:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13FFC3BF62; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012608B5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012608B5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:49:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:49:25 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 27, 2005, at 14:45, Hartung, Kris wrote: > One interesting thing in the video is that it emphasizes that in Live > you have to start with a pre-recorded loop of some sort, like a click, > etc....you can hear him start with them. Is this still the case? If using only Live as the looping device you have do it that way. I'm using it differently though, by looping both in Live and in the Augustus Looper plug-in, that is opened in one Live channel. I'm setting Live to slave to MIDI clock and when I start looping in the plug-in it sends out the correct tempo (just like an EDP) and Live starts to follow the tempo of my first recorded loop. This scenario was a bit flaky before, but now it seems to work fine with the latest versions of Live and Augustus. You can also run Live as the sync slave to an EDP and start the first loop in the EDP to get at the first loop tempo setting flow. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 14:06:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 946373BF1F; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=DVfiBlYpJDZlLsvtCRNMuiZRvtcKZUbMg4rRExseork7eIADMWHlHvwL/ZTEexrQRzoXeR7BrOM9Yr4OLXpUy4EtcrSqsNwAEAhuMmEaHU9Ch0ONs44YVOs9K9jw98sNCLbWYxlOKF9sIezm0GpdhcTZQ+tLXoRan0QXfTf/rxc= ; Message-ID: <029501c592b4$4ff78fc0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012608B5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:05:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per, I don't really like the style but it's amazing! What did he ate when he was young? Where there any SR16 as gift in the cornflakes box he didn't see and swallowed :-)? > If using only Live as the looping device you have do it that way. > AFAIK, it's possible to start from scratch withouts even a blank clip. What about this: 1/ disengage the "quantise option". 2/ Assign a key or midi note to a slot. 3/Arm the record button for this track, 4/ press the key once to record and another time to play. 5/ go to next slot. That means off course you have to record all the clips "on time" and that a small drift is possible if you don't retrigger the loops every x bars. I may be wrong however, I never tried it in live. CU, Ben ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 15:16:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09CFC3BF71; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1122477402!29212995!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0132A306@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: jam-man echo mode Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:16:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C592BE.32F27840" Resent-Message-ID: <56CNwB.A.phC.dV65CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:16:45 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. 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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C592BE.32F27840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 15:51:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8A523BEF6; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E7AD8A.5010105@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:51:38 +0100 From: Steve Lawson Reply-To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:51:33 +0000 (UTC) >>>>As the software Ableton Live has recently been discussed here I would like to remind you that the Loopers Delight member Andrew Chaikin, aka Kid Beyond, is now featured by an article and a great video at Ableton's web site: http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=artists&sub=kid-beyond He uses Live with MIDI foot pedal for live looping with only his voice and a mic as sound source. Be sure to check out the video at the bottom of the page! For his kind of looping Live is perfect; no overdub layering into the same loop (EDP style) but rather lining up parallel loops to build music.<<< That's a great video - really cool to see. Great stuff Andrew! It seems like you're starting each tune with a click track of sorts - is everything you do pre-sync'd like that? And what was the mac midi control program mentioned?? this laptop looping idea is coming together... :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 17:20:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E72713BF5B; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ajxPWQ/bQN6wQeKog3TFsY7V7bh0ckb/mKjJWmzv7KBJ5AZycbG9Dcwi+KNCvY1PL9Mv6rVmzOYRrf6p2tcf1QQxqhDRhL+lwtHCSHBdLP8BtUBTLGj0kvE0Fd5pOdj9a3qeA0PUZ7RhqztbpSWX4LOYbZBUMJ3Kfv2IWnVeMIY= ; Message-ID: <20050727172056.83514.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:20:56 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <374F4AA7-4ECB-4BE8-82E6-C4E1B2AEC363@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1684610156-1122484856=:82977" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:20:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-1684610156-1122484856=:82977 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit he is definatly one step beyond...good lookin out Per. scary. Per Boysen wrote:Hi Loopers, As the software Ableton Live has recently been discussed here I would like to remind you that the Loopers Delight member Andrew Chaikin, aka Kid Beyond, is now featured by an article and a great video at Ableton's web site: http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=artists&sub=kid-beyond He uses Live with MIDI foot pedal for live looping with only his voice and a mic as sound source. Be sure to check out the video at the bottom of the page! For his kind of looping Live is perfect; no overdub layering into the same loop (EDP style) but rather lining up parallel loops to build music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1684610156-1122484856=:82977 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
he is definatly one step beyond...good lookin out Per.    scary.

Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:
Hi Loopers,

As the software Ableton Live has recently been discussed here I would
like to remind you that the Loopers Delight member Andrew Chaikin,
aka Kid Beyond, is now featured by an article and a great video at
Ableton's web site:

http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=artists&sub=kid-beyond

He uses Live with MIDI foot pedal for live looping with only his
voice and a mic as sound source. Be sure to check out the video at
the bottom of the page! For his kind of looping Live is perfect; no
overdub layering into the same loop (EDP style) but rather lining up
parallel loops to build music.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.looproom.com (international)
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
---> iTunes Music Store (digital)
www.cdbaby.com/perboysen


Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1684610156-1122484856=:82977-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 19:30:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C01A3BF5A; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QnTRYjESK8TI4EfIsPNw/Oy0zMHJZqbaSE/AXZ1YCSerPykw0SHSGnLjMiZBBuPo35hFUBW+s2uJvSKnfsC5C17SnQOWSUVIhjOm7GC8fz5OerGpnoTf1xBo+XMhDWWmQHy+TYoIwbpX4oeE3xGbkyGkU+mJWQSGHCTgvwqoNBg= ; Message-ID: <20050727193012.54072.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT photo theremin ... not To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:30:14 +0000 (UTC) His eBay feedback page seems to indicate you're not alone... 9.5% negatives (36 unhappy campers); I don't think I've ever seen one that bad. He cites "production problems"... -t- --- Michael Peters wrote: > does anyone have contact to 'Professor Television' > ? I bought a photo > theremin from his > website weeks ago and haven't heard from him since, > and he doesn't reply to > my emails. > > Michael Peters > www.michaelpeters.de > > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 27 21:06:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 042383BF5D; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1549.24.92.72.91.1122498396.squirrel@webmail1.pair.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Digitech Jamman - ready to mod ! From: gary@friendlyspider.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Been off the list for a few years, but been looping for decades...
Just ordered one of those Digitech Jammans -should have it by the weekend...
I still own -and use- one of the original Lexicon Jammans.  I almost got one of
those Boss RC-20XL pedals, but I'm glad I waited.  Still.......
My main gripe...besides the MIDI sync and mono operation, with both
of these pedals, is the lack of a separate output for the metronome/rhythm guide.
Am I alone to think that it would be much more advantageous in a live setting to
be able to hear the click in either a personal stage monitor or ear-cup as opposed
to having it feed into the audience/mains ?  (not a rhetorical question)
If anybody else nabs one of these pedals and wants to help me figure out a way
to tap the click output at its volume control or elsewhere, let me/us know.
I don't care if it voids the warranty...if I can do it safely.
Gary
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 01:05:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 060D93BF5D; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <1549.24.92.72.91.1122498396.squirrel@webmail1.pair.com> References: <1549.24.92.72.91.1122498396.squirrel@webmail1.pair.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman - ready to mod ! Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:05:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:05:04 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 27, 2005, at 4:06 PM, gary@friendlyspider.com wrote: > If anybody else nabs one of these pedals and wants to help me figure > out a way > to tap the click output at its volume control or elsewhere, let me/us > know. from what i know about the DD-20 that click knob is probably a pot controlling a voltage which is converted by a 4-bit utility ADC into a digital control of some kind which controls the level of the click at the DSP level. it's also SMT, which i hear is totally way more fun to work on than vacuum tube electronics. i'd probably find a different looping solution if it's a problem if i were you. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 01:18:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6199B3BF5B; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.2a7e6d8f.30198c56@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:18:14 EDT Subject: tape echo needs repair To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9e.2a7e6d8f.30198c56_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:18:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_9e.2a7e6d8f.30198c56_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit anyone have info on finding someone to repair vintage tape echo units? thanks in advance Robby Aceto the threadbare sweater guy --part1_9e.2a7e6d8f.30198c56_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anyone have info on finding someone= to repair vintage tape echo units?
thanks in advance
Robby Aceto
the threadbare sweater guy --part1_9e.2a7e6d8f.30198c56_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 01:44:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 437873BF4C; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2295.24.92.72.91.1122515043.squirrel@webmail1.pair.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1549.24.92.72.91.1122498396.squirrel@webmail1.pair.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman - ready to mod ! From: gary@friendlyspider.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Well....I already ordered it, thankyou...but thanks for the feedback...
I wanted a very simple, small, gigging solution that included the footpedal
and that would also let me save phrases...though it looks like the new
JamMan will not let you save an overdub as a separate phrase -everything
must always be overdubbed- I didn't know that before I ordered it- but
I think it'll still be a creative tool...and you can't enter a tempo numerically....
and....lot's of things.... it ain't no Repeater...  but if I want a more complex
setup, I can use Ableton Live on a laptop with a footcontroller...
That said...who knows, I may get lucky and it might be a regular volume
potentiometer...  that DD-20 is a Boss product...I'll let y'all know when
I get it and spill its guts...

> from what i know about the DD-20 that click knob is probably a pot
> controlling a voltage...
> i'd probably find a different looping solution if it's a problem if i were you.
> Eric Williamson
> www.suitandtieguy.com

> On Jul 27, 2005, at 4:06 PM, gary@friendlyspider.com wrote:
>> If anybody else nabs one of these pedals and wants to help me figure
>> out a way  to tap the click output at its volume control or elsewhere, let me/us know.



From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 02:05:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D10BE3BF69; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <9e.2a7e6d8f.30198c56@aol.com> References: <9e.2a7e6d8f.30198c56@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-327558439 Message-Id: <5AE4C8C3-7045-49E0-8288-0B957D60944B@midway.uchicago.edu> From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: tape echo needs repair Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:02:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <6gUBuB.A.AgF.S1D6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:05:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-327558439 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:18 PM, RA336@aol.com wrote: > anyone have info on finding someone to repair vintage tape echo units? Email Analogman. He'll know someone, I bet. Jeff --Apple-Mail-2-327558439 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:18 PM, RA336@aol.com wrote:

anyone have info on finding someone to repair vintage tape echo units?

Email Analogman. He'll know someone, I bet.

Jeff
--Apple-Mail-2-327558439-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 02:08:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6002E3BF2A; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:16:56 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] tape echo needs repair In-Reply-To: <9e.2a7e6d8f.30198c56@aol.com> Message-ID: References: <9e.2a7e6d8f.30198c56@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:08:23 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, RA336@aol.com wrote: > anyone have info on finding someone to repair vintage tape echo units? > thanks in advance > Robby Aceto > the threadbare sweater guy Never used these guys, but I'd check them out: http://www.fuzzorama.com/ best of luck, I have a Morley / Tel-Ray EVO-1 oil can echo pedal I need some work done on myself. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 02:43:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55D073BF5A; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5AE4C8C3-7045-49E0-8288-0B957D60944B@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <9e.2a7e6d8f.30198c56@aol.com> <5AE4C8C3-7045-49E0-8288-0B957D60944B@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-330024636 Message-Id: <6CD9527D-FF11-11D9-B0A8-000A956F605C@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: tape echo needs repair Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:43:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:43:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-330024636 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed here is the guy to talk to bart bptelecom@hotmail.com trust me. he knows this stuff. On Jul 27, 2005, at 10:02 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:18 PM, RA336@aol.com wrote: > > anyone have info on finding someone to repair vintage tape echo units? > > Email Analogman. He'll know someone, I bet. > > Jeff --Apple-Mail-6-330024636 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII here is the guy to talk to bart bptelecom@hotmail.com trust me. he knows this stuff. On Jul 27, 2005, at 10:02 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:18 PM, 0000,0000,EEEERA336@aol.com wrote: Arialanyone have info on finding someone to repair vintage tape echo units? Email Analogman. He'll know someone, I bet. Jeff --Apple-Mail-6-330024636-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 04:18:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B1923BF5E; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <577948A4-D90B-47D8-AA3E-5F25F47A4253@boysen.se> References: <5C24EDB5-C781-4438-8AC0-EFA41C97C548@collective.co.uk> <577948A4-D90B-47D8-AA3E-5F25F47A4253@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <37f5bfc08a55b3cb5320c98aa2f5953a@griffpeters.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Griff Peters Subject: Augustus Loop, Live 5 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:18:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Does Ableton Live 5 have better midi clock response from version 4? I'm trying to get better & quicker tempo updating when using Augustus Loop and also circular logic's "In-Time" software. Any Live 5 users wanna chime in? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 05:40:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6524D3BF5B; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012608B5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <48d651a8a5757daf4b585e7fe6b993af@griffpeters.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Griff Peters Subject: Ableton Live midi clock slave of Augustus Loop Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:40:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <4yT0UD.A.AXB.n_G6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:40:55 +0000 (UTC) > I'm setting Live to slave to MIDI clock and when I start looping in > the plug-in it sends out the correct tempo (just like an EDP) and Live > starts to follow the tempo of my first recorded loop. This is an interesting scenario for me. I'm toying with Live 4 learning its tempo from my AL loop. How do you get AL to capture and loop only a certain portion of incoming audio? I can't seem to get AL to stop constantly capturing and looping every sound it receives. I'd like to be able to play something on my guitar and whenever i feel like it...hit a pedal to start capturing audio and setting the loop start position. Releasing this pedal (or hitting it again) would stop capturing audio and set loop end point AND send this data to Live as midi clock tempo. I'm interested in doing this chiefly in order to avoid starting my Ableton loops with the Live metronome. Things are definitely looking more promising for laptop looping. Griff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 05:45:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 153E13BF5C; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:45:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Digital Performer / Logic (was: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <60674F50-332B-4FC3-9F25-D6D3CA8D385C@boysen.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:45:05 +0000 (UTC) I was a Performer user when it was just P (not DP) and I've used just about every commercial sequencer/audio package since with the exception of Cakewalk. A lot of people I know really love Logic, but it has a pretty steep learning curve. I've been using it off and on for the last year (my band all synchronized on Logic Express) and it makes me insane a lot of the time because it so different from Pro Tools, Cubase, DP, etc... Maybe once I get over the hump it will become my main tool, but I think that isn't so likely at the moment... Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 06:59:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 850BE3BF5E; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:59:08 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: tape echo needs repair To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002401c59341$d9d06e00$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xrUFg5dXmqvO0lxapjYF5A)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <9e.2a7e6d8f.30198c56@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:59:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_xrUFg5dXmqvO0lxapjYF5A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Check Kurt Penas` site; http://www.fuzzorama.com/ or Mike Battle at http://www.tubeplex.com/ In the UK; http://www.binson.com/ T. ----- Original Message ----- From: RA336@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:18 AM Subject: tape echo needs repair anyone have info on finding someone to repair vintage tape echo units? thanks in advance Robby Aceto the threadbare sweater guy --Boundary_(ID_xrUFg5dXmqvO0lxapjYF5A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Check Kurt Penas` site;
 
or
 
Mike Battle at
 
In the UK;
 
T.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:18 AM
Subject: tape echo needs repair

anyone have info on finding someone to repair vintage tape echo units?
thanks in advance
Robby Aceto
the threadbare sweater guy
--Boundary_(ID_xrUFg5dXmqvO0lxapjYF5A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 09:00:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F323E3BF5C; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <48d651a8a5757daf4b585e7fe6b993af@griffpeters.com> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012608B5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <48d651a8a5757daf4b585e7fe6b993af@griffpeters.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton Live midi clock slave of Augustus Loop Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:00:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:00:36 +0000 (UTC) >> I'm setting Live to slave to MIDI clock and when I start looping >> in the plug-in it sends out the correct tempo (just like an EDP) >> and Live starts to follow the tempo of my first recorded loop. >> On Jul 28, 2005, at 7:40, Griff Peters wrote: > > How do you get AL to capture and loop only a certain portion of > incoming audio? I can't seem to get AL to stop constantly capturing > and looping every sound it receives. > > I'd like to be able to play something on my guitar and whenever i > feel like it...hit a pedal to start capturing audio and setting the > loop start position. Releasing this pedal (or hitting it again) > would stop capturing audio and set loop end point AND send this > data to Live as midi clock tempo. Augustus is recording, as "in overdub mode", all the time if not the Freeze Loop function is active. You "close" the input to Augustus Loop by clicking Freeze Loop. So you should map a pedal to that button. A second usable AL button is "Tap Rec". This empties the loop, sets the pitch transpose back to normal, and starts recording right on. If the "send MIDI out" is active Augustus will define a new tempo as soon as you close the loop. When you close a loop, by the "Tap Rec", Augustus is left in overdubbing mode - i.e. Freeze Loop is not selected. You are talking about "setting the loop point". I understand this as defining the length of the loop being captured in Augustus Loop. This is not possible to do just like that, on-the-fly. You have do do it by choosing a certain combination of "Beat" and "Beat Divisor". You can map foot pedals that as well. But unfortunately you will get a loud noise (tape inertia simulation) when making such changes when there is audio in the loop. > I'm interested in doing this chiefly in order to avoid starting my > Ableton loops with the Live metronome. There are other ways of starting Live as the master without using the metronome. Simply use any effect that can give you a hint of the tempo! One obvious example is Live's autofilter. You can keep it set to 16th notes on a send track and whenever you are playing in a wishy- washy ambient part of your performance you can always send a little audio to that effect track and hear the tempo to get back into. Another way to start Live in a tempo, when run as sync master, is to map a foot pedal to Live's "Tap Tempo" function. Tap that button four times and on the fifth tap move your foot to Augusuts Live "Tap Rec" button. Then Live will start at the same time as you start recording a loop into AL and they will sync (Live as master, AL as slave). > Things are definitely looking more promising for laptop looping. When thinking about Brother Sync in the EDP I sometimes get the feeling that laptop looping will never catch up ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 09:33:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 692963BF5D; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:33:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050728100940.02daed00@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:28:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RE: jam-man echo mode In-Reply-To: <20050728090037.5F4CA3BF5D@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050728090037.5F4CA3BF5D@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:33:51 +0000 (UTC) >from my guitarist: >" 'course it f*ing does. how else would my echo always be in time? >you have to tap in the length of a bar, but it locks onto the inward clock." :-) Sounds like tap tempo to me, you don't have to tap in the bar length to Midi-sync. As long as the feedback isn't too high, the echoes stay in time. In any case, I tried it with the JamMan, just in case there's some undocumented feature where the JamMan locks to incoming Midi clock if the tap tempo from Echo mode is close enough. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 09:34:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCA093BF66; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1122543241.42e8a68973382@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:34:01 +0200 From: ml@dadaprod.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ableton Live: midi and audio? References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012608B5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <48d651a8a5757daf4b585e7fe6b993af@griffpeters.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 194.153.110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:34:16 +0000 (UTC) is it possible with AL to record live and synchronise, Midi notes and audio signal.. I mean at least two loops (a midi and an audio one), that will be synchronised in AL.. the midi loop could be related to several Vst instruments, and the audio could be used to sample acoustic or electric signal (guitar, drums etc..) cheers stéphane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 09:37:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69D323BF62; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E8A743.8080001@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:37:07 +0100 From: Steve Lawson Reply-To: steve@steve-lawson.co.uk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:37:11 +0000 (UTC) >>>>If using only Live as the looping device you have do it that way. I'm using it differently though, by looping both in Live and in the Augustus Looper plug-in, that is opened in one Live channel. I'm setting Live to slave to MIDI clock and when I start looping in the plug-in it sends out the correct tempo (just like an EDP) and Live starts to follow the tempo of my first recorded loop. This scenario was a bit flaky before, but now it seems to work fine with the latest versions of Live and Augustus.<<<< So Live has no unquantised option??? That seems insane. And depressing that their perception of music is that it has to be rhythmic. Surely a piece of software with the enourmous potential that Live has should be facilitating music making of all kinds, not just rhythmic stuff with click tracks and pre-recorded drums? How hard would it be to introduce an unquantised start/stop record function where the length of the first loop could be quantised to or not? Or maybe it's there and we haven't found it yet! Steve www.stevelawson.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 10:23:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B52D3BF64; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <1122543241.42e8a68973382@ssl0.ovh.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012608B5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <48d651a8a5757daf4b585e7fe6b993af@griffpeters.com> <1122543241.42e8a68973382@ssl0.ovh.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton Live: midi and audio? Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:23:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <7cBRI.A.PuG.-IL6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:23:58 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:34, ml@dadaprod.org wrote: > is it possible with AL to record live and synchronise, Midi notes > and audio > signal.. AL can only record audio, midi has to be recorded elsewhere (the host application, maybe?). The plug-in can not syncronize to midi notes, but perfectly well to midi clock. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 10:25:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1908C3BF73; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E8B2A2.206@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:25:38 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:25:59 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 10:59:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEA263BF68; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1122548344!28953959!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC86D4@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman - ready to mod ! Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:59:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59363.60D033B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:59:09 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59363.60D033B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > If anybody else nabs one of these pedals and wants to help me figure > out a way > to tap the click output at its volume control or elsewhere, let me/us > know. from what i know about the DD-20 that click knob is probably a pot controlling a voltage which is converted by a 4-bit utility ADC into a digital control of some kind which controls the level of the click at the DSP level. it's also SMT, which i hear is totally way more fun to work on than vacuum tube electronics.<< might not be the end of the world though- has it got a tempo led? that would make a nice click through a separate amp. it might be possible to fit a 4558 op-amp (surface mount or no) into the unit to buffer it, but it may equally be possible to just attach a resistor & capacitor between the led's non-ground side & a mini-jack socket & pull a nice click out of it that way. ymmv.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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> If anybody else nabs one of these pedals and wants t= o help me figure
> out a way
> to tap the click output at its volume control or el= sewhere, let me/us
> know.

from what i know about the DD-20 that click knob is proba= bly a pot
controlling a voltage which is converted by a 4-bit util= ity ADC into a
digital control of some kind which controls the level of= the click at
the DSP level.

it's also SMT, which i hear is totally way more fun to wo= rk on than
vacuum tube electronics.<<

might not be the end of the world though- has it got a te= mpo led? that would make a nice click through a separate amp. it might be p= ossible to fit a 4558 op-amp (surface mount or no) into the unit to buffer = it, but it may equally be possible to just attach a resistor & capacito= r between the led's non-ground side & a mini-jack socket & pull a n= ice click out of it that way. ymmv....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C59363.60D033B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 11:46:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 953303BF60; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: Digital Performer / Logic (was: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:51:09 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000001c5936a$a51c5100$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:46:12 +0000 (UTC) > A lot of people I know really love Logic, but it > has a pretty steep learning curve. I once heard Logic (very nicely) described as having a perpendicular learning curve. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 11:49:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D1823BF67; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ca01c5936a$607f0240$724c5651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: Subject: Re: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:49:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C59372.C20305E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:49:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C59372.C20305E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great video, is there anything that can send multiple keystrokes to Live = on=20 a Mac? Kid mentions he uses one for the Windows. I send the click track to an in-ear monitor this way the audience don't = have=20 to hear any pre-recording sample to set the tempo. Dan www.danmayfield.com ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C59372.C20305E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great video, is=20 there anything that can send multiple keystrokes to Live on
a = Mac?  Kid=20 mentions he uses one for the Windows.

I send the click track to = an in-ear=20 monitor this way the audience don't have
to hear any pre-recording = sample to=20 set the tempo.

Dan
www.danmayfield.com
------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C59372.C20305E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 13:02:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 636803BF74; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:02:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00ca01c5936a$607f0240$724c5651@homemain> References: <00ca01c5936a$607f0240$724c5651@homemain> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:02:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <2KPojD.A.KGC.8dN6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:02:52 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 28, 2005, at 13:49, Dan Mayfield wrote: > Great video, is there anything that can send multiple keystrokes to > Live on > a Mac? Kid mentions he uses one for the Windows. That's a good question! It's been up many times at the Ableton Live forum but so far I have not seen any positive answer to it. You are able to address almost any function in Live with external MIDI except for the Delete button ;-( Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 16:08:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E05363BF79; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k7bSxGdm3IJJvX9EqzKieTzE0s6TkMf71PfeFfLAhnsQSkutWO1H25YfNODfhwsiiXo3TdH1M75vfzpsWU9JGKnig4OhkjKoz8M1fHdcfhU+FPp07Sy/DuPTyx4bWHs7mxF3mvr0LH11dbtg2QKAwFD5P52vuArkHMGFgnITsZA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:08:42 -0700 From: Neil Goldstein Reply-To: Neil Goldstein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ca01c5936a$607f0240$724c5651@homemain> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:08:43 +0000 (UTC) He mentions Control Aid briefly.=20 http://www.charlie-roberts.com/controlAid/ On 7/28/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On Jul 28, 2005, at 13:49, Dan Mayfield wrote: >=20 > > Great video, is there anything that can send multiple keystrokes to > > Live on > > a Mac? Kid mentions he uses one for the Windows. >=20 >=20 > That's a good question! It's been up many times at the Ableton Live > forum but so far I have not seen any positive answer to it. You are > able to address almost any function in Live with external MIDI except > for the Delete button ;-( >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 16:33:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6B103BF7F; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Jul 2005 16:33:40 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:33:40 -0500 Subject: Re: tape echo needs repair X-Originating-Ip: 69.110.50.43 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050728163340.94D02C610C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Rance Eelectronics in Oakland, CA. Not cheap, but VERY good (I like getting what I pay for). Has done some gr= eat mods on tape echoplexes too (changing resitor/capacitor=20 values to increase regeneration range; outputs to control values vie volum= e pedals, etc.) Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: RA336@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: tape echo needs repair Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:18:14 EDT >=20 > anyone have info on finding someone to repair vintage tape echo units? > thanks in advance > Robby Aceto > the threadbare sweater guy --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 17:06:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0953B3BF79; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001501c59396$504f9f20$19a1fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <20050728163340.94D02C610C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: tape echo needs repair Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:03:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:06:38 +0000 (UTC) What tape echo are you talking about actually? Maestro Echoplex? Roland RE series? WEM Copycat? Evans Echopet? Dynacord/Echolette EC series? What is the problem? Maybe you can fix it yourself. Stephen "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon Hassell) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: joe rut To: Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 6:33 PM Subject: Re: tape echo needs repair Rance Eelectronics in Oakland, CA. Not cheap, but VERY good (I like getting what I pay for). Has done some great mods on tape echoplexes too (changing resitor/capacitor values to increase regeneration range; outputs to control values vie volume pedals, etc.) Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: RA336@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: tape echo needs repair Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:18:14 EDT > > anyone have info on finding someone to repair vintage tape echo units? > thanks in advance > Robby Aceto > the threadbare sweater guy -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 18:57:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81EB93BF54; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C593A6.2671D4A1" Subject: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3360594a1860,00.html Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:57:06 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260C9B@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3360594a1860,00.html Thread-Index: AcWTpiXsxPLTykJTTMWrzH9Iaqc6/A== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2005 18:57:07.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[26EDA590:01C593A6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:57:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C593A6.2671D4A1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting avant-garde and improvised music festival in New Zealand. http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3360594a1860,00.html ------_=_NextPart_001_01C593A6.2671D4A1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3360594a1860,00.html

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C593A6.2671D4A1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 19:03:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72A943BF7A; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: RE: Gibson Echoplex/Foot Controller for sale Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:02:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Is your Echoplex still for sale? How much RAM does it have? If you have a photo that would be great. Adrian West www.adrianwest.com -----Original Message----- From: toejam00@mac.com [mailto:toejam00@mac.com] Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 6:57 PM To: loopers delight Subject: Gibson Echoplex/Foot Controller for sale Hi, I'm selling my Gibson Echoplex (with Loop IV), foot controller and manual. Everything is in excellent condition. I don't know what the going price is now, but I'm hoping to get 800 for it. Please email me directly: toejam00@mac.com. For details and photos. I would put it up on eBay, but I live in Japan and that a bit of a hassle. I buy and sell a lot of equipment on the local Yahoo Auctions, but I haven't gotten so much as a nibble on the EDP. It's not sold here and there's no Japanese manual. Thanks, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 19:47:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B7323BF79; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1218.24.92.72.91.1122580052.squirrel@webmail1.pair.com> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC86D4@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC86D4@lon-oxmail02> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman - ready to mod ! From: gary@friendlyspider.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Nice idea, Duncan..  There is an LED for the tempo...though it may share double duties.
I suppose an optical sensor, like used in MIDI connections, etc., could read the flash
and output a pulse...  but of course, I starting to go crazy.
It did enter my mind, though, what it could be like to gang to of the Digitech Lexicons together
by simply making one set of foot switches control both units.  Mechanically, this would not
be very difficult at all.  I wonder if the timing would go off that much for "relatively" short loops
....it is digital, after all.  This could allow for stereo looping, saving loop overdub passes, and
give multiple inputs including 2 mic inputs in a very compact, floor package.  Hmmmmm.
Gary....or just call me crazy.

> might not be the end of the world though- has it got a tempo led? that
> would make a nice click through a separate amp. it might be possible to
> fit a 4558 op-amp (surface mount or no) into the unit to buffer it, but it
> may equally be possible to just attach a resistor & capacitor between the
> led's non-ground side & a mini-jack socket & pull a nice click out of it
> that way. ymmv....
> duncan.

>> If anybody else nabs one of these pedals and wants to help me figure out a way
>> to tap the click output at its volume control or elsewhere, let me/us know
>> Gary

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 20:10:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94DEC3BF7D; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E93BAA.5010500@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:10:18 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #435 for July 21, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:10:32 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050721.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #435 July 21, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the music-bar mailing list. The Featured CD at Midnight was "M@stock 03 - Selection" which is a unique CDR provided exclusively to Galactic Travels. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Delired Cameleon Family" by many musicians on EMI Records, released in 1975. music-bar - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jul PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Delired Cameleon Family Weird Company Delired Cameleon Family (EMI) Wayne Lytle Harmonic Voltage Animusic Video Album Soundtrack (Animusic) Binar The Hidden Meaning Project Poltergeist (NeuHarmony) Binar Remembering Giants Project Poltergeist (NeuHarmony) Arttek Talos Arttek 2005 (none) Neal Merrick We Are To Be Magic Traveler (Space for Music) dreamSTATE Crossing Passage (e-SPACE) Ken Martin Transparent Shadows Transparent Shadows (Space for Music) 12:00 am music-barians Trip Cafe M@stock 03 - Selection (none) music-barians Oriental Journey M@stock 03 - Selection (none) music-barians Space Ping M@stock 03 - Selection (none) music-barians At the Harem M@stock 03 - Selection (none) music-barians Tia's Song M@stock 03 - Selection (none) music-barians Bass Jam M@stock 03 - Selection (none) music-barians Ambient Drums * M@stock 03 - Selection (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on the music-bar mailing list. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "M@stock 03 - The Approach of Mars" from the Ringoes, New Jersey meet in 2003. This is a unique CDR provided exclusively to Galactic Travels. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Fragments of Light" by Sensations' Fix on Polydor Records, released in 1974. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Roseann@veninfo.org Thu Jul 28 20:41:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from p54a9c3e8.dip.t-dialin.net (p54A9C3E8.dip.t-dialin.net [84.169.195.232]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A5A63BF2F for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from by 84.169.195.232; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:12:19 -0500 Message-ID: <@d-backs.org> From: "" Reply-To: "" To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:13:19 +0200 X-Mailer: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal ---- Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Z
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------ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 20:45:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65CE03BF38; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E943D4.4010400@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:45:08 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012608B5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012608B5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4JYmj.A.qwC.XPU6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Nope, not the case at all, it has a tap tempo in there, but if you mean if you can freeform-loop and then set the master tempo from that, then you need something thirdparty to output clock based on loop length, like Augustus loop. Hartung, Kris wrote: >One interesting thing in the video is that it emphasizes that in Live >you have to start with a pre-recorded loop of some sort, like a click, >etc....you can hear him start with them. Is this still the case? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 22:32:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3E443BF5C; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC86D4@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC86D4@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9d8aebd3b9810b08fc91107de91befb0@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman - ready to mod ! Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:32:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:32:24 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 28, 2005, at 5:59 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > might not be the end of the world though- has it got a tempo led? that > would make a nice click through a separate amp. well duncan, that's quite a genius idea. and no, this isn't a flame. that's a good idea. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 28 22:45:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D2AA3BF35; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1790.24.92.72.91.1122590739.squirrel@webmail1.pair.com> In-Reply-To: <1218.24.92.72.91.1122580052.squirrel@webmail1.pair.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC86D4@lon-oxmail02> <1218.24.92.72.91.1122580052.squirrel@webmail1.pair.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman - ready to mod ! From: gary@friendlyspider.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Anybody know how those tap tempo inputs work ?  Are the taps quantized to one
of the numeric standard "beats per minute" ?  If you tap the same on two devices,
theoretically, does it quantize or round the tempo to some unit ?
Or am I just boring everyone...gp

> Nice idea, Duncan.. There is an LED for the tempo...though it may share double duties.
> I suppose an optical sensor, like used in MIDI connections, etc., could read the flash
> and output a pulse...
> It did enter my mind, though, what it could be like to gang two of the Digitech Lexicons together
> by simply making one set of foot switches control both units.
> Mechanically, this would not be very difficult at all. I wonder if the timing would go off that much
> for "relatively" short loops ....it is digital, after all. This could allow for stereo looping, saving
> loop overdub passes, and give multiple inputs including 2 mic inputs in a very compact, floor
> package. Hmmmmm.
> Gary
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 03:09:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FF573BF2E; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:09:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Bu/IgbHVOcF5BdGs8ZNhjGB+BrBTrsF3+e6lw3bUvWinyURgktG7/oPp1DdZYyeumfcWTYfqZZfjb1ja3sbmByORUdYa31K218Hntab85ISjxrVrjdAVusf2EQJNEZ14XOnALCGMHgEfWDEJIdQxcqBhpqq7jSZlgWywlao2U0I= ; Message-ID: <20050729030917.52370.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:09:17 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: harp guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-723903107-1122606557=:50875" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <__EtGD.A.vnF.f3Z6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:09:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-723903107-1122606557=:50875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit who's got the skinny on harp guitars?weird instruments of all kinds...no medical or torture please"he bought a guitar to punish his ma"maby one of those jaron lanier things with strings/theory/quantum/whatchamagiggers...daniel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-723903107-1122606557=:50875 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-723903107-1122606557=:50875-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 07:39:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5457A3BF44; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20050728090037.5F4CA3BF5D@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050728090037.5F4CA3BF5D@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3F35C4DA-7B8E-46F6-AB4B-9E38ADE83CA7@collective.co.uk> Cc: Griff Peters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Augustus Loop, Live 5 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:39:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:39:59 +0000 (UTC) I tried it last night - Live 5 seems to have exactly the same response as Live 4. I'm sure Ableton would've mentioned it if they changed it, since so many people have expressed interest in this improvement. cheers, os. On 28 Jul 2005, at 10:00, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers- delight.com wrote: > From: Griff Peters > Date: 28 July 2005 05:18:12 BDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Augustus Loop, Live 5 > > > Does Ableton Live 5 have better midi clock response from version 4? > > I'm trying to get better & quicker tempo updating when using > Augustus Loop and also circular logic's "In-Time" software. > > Any Live 5 users wanna chime in? > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 07:42:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95D283BF5C; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20050728090037.5F4CA3BF5D@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050728090037.5F4CA3BF5D@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Griff Peters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Ableton Live midi clock slave of Augustus Loop Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:42:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:42:51 +0000 (UTC) > How do you get AL to capture and loop only a certain portion of > incoming audio? I can't seem to get AL to stop constantly capturing > and looping every sound it receives. you may want to try using the input level control (the knob to the right of the two level meters), which controls the level of the signal fed into the loop. so, put it to zero when you don't want to record. I've thought of adding a feature so this level is automatically switched between zero/one when you start and stop the loop, but I figure that you can automate it with MIDI so maybe I don't need to do that in the plug-in. cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 07:50:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16FEB3BF3E; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050728201032.EA8D53BF84@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050728201032.EA8D53BF84@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Ableton Live midi clock slave of Augustus Loop Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:50:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:50:06 +0000 (UTC) > You are talking about "setting the loop point". I understand this > as defining the length of the loop being captured in Augustus Loop. > This is not possible to do just like that, on-the-fly. You have do > do it by choosing a certain combination of "Beat" and "Beat Divisor". there are other options: - just set the loop length in seconds directly - use 'tap length' rather than 'tap record' - use the various punch-in/out options if you want your loop to be constrained in some way. > You can map foot pedals that as well. But unfortunately you will > get a loud noise (tape inertia simulation) when making such changes > when there is audio in the loop. not from the next version, currently in development. I'll probably do a public beta of that in a few weeks. cheers, os. os@expertsleepers.co.uk http://www.expertsleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 08:00:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D90403BF57; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ghkQLcFaDXtt7d36JMB1PxHeM6hFAcukoohFEEYa/wQYjzekav/oHGEeimjfRuQYwLX/zfXpBfRwO6jmh10P5T6y2JPmmsx0X7P7HJPRohZ0PYac3RsvzWdC2ychpuM31xE/YpBepIiVbR7IW1awGYcnqzdiuQjFfbJdGTaqelM= ; Message-ID: <20050729080050.96303.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:00:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005b01c5927e$d6180480$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:00:54 +0000 (UTC) thanx Ben! 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Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:01:00 +0200 Message-ID: <00dd01c59413$adb532b0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Dear loopers A PR-guy is working on a press information text to announce the = Loopfestival Zurich. He asked me if I know of any really famous and popular acts that are = known to use loop machines (esp. EDPs) for their music. If anyone of you knows about that and if possible link to relevant = articles, etc. that would help me a lot. You can respond to me off-list. I'll collate the information and feed = the compiled list back to LD. Thank you! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestval.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 08:16:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5C453BF5C; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1122625011.42e9e5f360e45@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:16:51 +0200 From: ml@dadaprod.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Live: midi and audio? References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012608B5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <48d651a8a5757daf4b585e7fe6b993af@griffpeters.com> <1122543241.42e8a68973382@ssl0.ovh.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 194.153.110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:16:53 +0000 (UTC) > AL can only record audio, midi has to be recorded elsewhere (the host > application, maybe?). The plug-in can not syncronize to midi notes, > but perfectly well to midi clock. I thought that AL was a stand alone application, not a plugin*? (or maybe both) steph * cn it be a Vst plugin? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 08:28:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41A343BF5E; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050729012104.04b76280@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:29:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? In-Reply-To: <00dd01c59413$adb532b0$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <00dd01c59413$adb532b0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:28:42 +0000 (UTC) At 01:01 AM 7/29/2005, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: >Dear loopers > >A PR-guy is working on a press information text to announce the Loopfestival >Zurich. > >He asked me if I know of any really famous and popular acts that are known >to use loop machines (esp. EDPs) for their music. Here's a few, from a mix of backgrounds: Phil Keaggy Howie Day Keller Williams Bill Frisell John Scofield Les Claypool (Primus) David Torn Trey Anastasio (Phish) Nels Cline Neal Schon (Journey) DJ Radar Benny Rietveld (Santana) Charlie Sexton (Bob Dylan) Radiohead Chet Atkins Jim Thomas (the Mermen) Victor Wooten Daniel Lanois Oscar Peterson ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 08:34:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39BEA3BF40; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <20050728090037.5F4CA3BF5D@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton Live midi clock slave of Augustus Loop Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:34:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:34:38 +0000 (UTC) >> How do you get AL to capture and loop only a certain portion of >> incoming audio? I can't seem to get AL to stop constantly >> capturing and looping every sound it receives. > On Jul 29, 2005, at 9:42, Os wrote: > > you may want to try using the input level control (the knob to the > right of the two level meters), which controls the level of the > signal fed into the loop. so, put it to zero when you don't want to > record. > > I've thought of adding a feature so this level is automatically > switched between zero/one when you start and stop the loop, but I > figure that you can automate it with MIDI so maybe I don't need to > do that in the plug-in. Here's something I've been missing, or maybe it is a feature request? When I build music in AL by layering audio I tend to use the Freeze Loop button. Now, the problematic side is when working with long loops in this way, because after have un-freezed and played a note into the loop you have to wait for the next loop round to start before you can Freeze again. If you don't do that, if you freeze again too early, the added audio will not be part of the loop. The way I would prefer it is that any opening of the freezed loop, might it be only for a 64th note, should result in audio layered into the loop. (If you could implement it that way AG would gain a boat- load of loopers delight!) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 08:37:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 586113BF65; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <1122625011.42e9e5f360e45@ssl0.ovh.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012608B5@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <48d651a8a5757daf4b585e7fe6b993af@griffpeters.com> <1122543241.42e8a68973382@ssl0.ovh.net> <1122625011.42e9e5f360e45@ssl0.ovh.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <53F81616-EC3B-4764-81E8-7678FB911CC1@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton Live: midi and audio? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:37:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:37:48 +0000 (UTC) >> AL can only record audio, midi has to be recorded elsewhere (the host >> application, maybe?). The plug-in can not syncronize to midi notes, >> but perfectly well to midi clock. >> > On Jul 29, 2005, at 10:16, ml@dadaprod.org wrote: > I thought that AL was a stand alone application, not a plugin*? (or > maybe both) > > steph No stand alone version yet seen here (if Os doesn't keep on in the pipeline...?) > > * cn it be a Vst plugin? No. It is only a AU plug-in. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 08:44:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 361583BF40; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00dd01c59413$adb532b0$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <00dd01c59413$adb532b0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:44:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:44:41 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 29, 2005, at 10:01, wrote: > any really famous and popular acts that are known > to use loop machines (esp. EDPs) for their music. I remember David Bowies last gig here in Stockholm when he did a duo piece singing to the guitarist's looping. From the distance I could not see if he was using an EDP, or whatever device, but the piece was definitely relying on the guitar live looping. Not saying that Bowie is "a looping artist", he he, but his live band touring set-ups are by no means "really famous". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 08:50:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B846A3BF64; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42E9EDEF.70204@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:50:55 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: harp guitars References: <20050729030917.52370.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050729030917.52370.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi Daniel, that would be the OddMusic mailing list and website: http://www.oddmusic.com/ daniel stevenson wrote: > who's got the skinny on harp guitars?weird instruments of all > kinds...no medical or torture please"he bought a guitar to punish his > ma"maby one of those jaron lanier things with > strings/theory/quantum/whatchamagiggers...daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 08:54:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFB593BF69; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:54:03 +0200 Message-ID: <00e801c5941b$1544b7a0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Thanks very much, Per and Kim! I actually forgot an important detail in my post: If you know a particular song using a Loopmachine that became a hit that would be very helpful, too! Thank you Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Freitag, 29. Juli 2005 10:45 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? > > On Jul 29, 2005, at 10:01, > wrote: > > > any really famous and popular acts that are known > > to use loop machines (esp. EDPs) for their music. > > > I remember David Bowies last gig here in Stockholm when he did a duo > piece singing to the guitarist's looping. From the distance I could > not see if he was using an EDP, or whatever device, but the piece was > definitely relying on the guitar live looping. Not saying that Bowie > is "a looping artist", he he, but his live band touring set-ups are > by no means "really famous". > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 09:14:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 503E63BF2E; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EkDrFPZ2VTBxrDZT29od1J/Sblta1UzMkCcoVOPoGAu3cyAmtNv2g/KD/7Yp8fGZPtFZNRivk8OuYfVPG/TFXguYcnYwfz/LpHPEkLE4S1Opo/J60vu8tWTnWcV3pTQPZhobGfpMvAwS6pWxBeJGmtgIKvYwRbmLx7D4YciiXCM= ; Message-ID: <20050729091449.63239.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00e801c5941b$1544b7a0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <56-Re.A.6XG.MOf6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Peter Gabriel lists a JamMan among his instruments played on his latest album 'Up'; check the track listings for which tunes. -t- --- loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > > Thanks very much, Per and Kim! > > I actually forgot an important detail in my post: If > you know a particular > song using a Loopmachine that became a hit that > would be very helpful, too! > > Thank you > Bernhard > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > > Sent: Freitag, 29. Juli 2005 10:45 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? > > > > On Jul 29, 2005, at 10:01, > > > wrote: > > > > > any really famous and popular acts that are > known > > > to use loop machines (esp. EDPs) for their > music. > > > > > > I remember David Bowies last gig here in Stockholm > when he did a duo > > piece singing to the guitarist's looping. From the > distance I could > > not see if he was using an EDP, or whatever > device, but the piece was > > definitely relying on the guitar live looping. Not > saying that Bowie > > is "a looping artist", he he, but his live band > touring set-ups are > > by no means "really famous". > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 10:04:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B50183BF2E; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <004d01c59424$79deb860$1c9ffe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <20050729091449.63239.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:01:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Blixa Bargeld of Einstürzende Neubauten has been a fond Jamman user ever since their 2000 album Silence is Sexy. Stephen "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon Hassell) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Nelson To: Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? > Peter Gabriel lists a JamMan among his instruments > played on his latest album 'Up'; check the track > listings for which tunes. > > -t- > > --- loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > > > > > Thanks very much, Per and Kim! > > > > I actually forgot an important detail in my post: If > > you know a particular > > song using a Loopmachine that became a hit that > > would be very helpful, too! > > > > Thank you > > Bernhard > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > > > Sent: Freitag, 29. Juli 2005 10:45 > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? > > > > > > On Jul 29, 2005, at 10:01, > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > any really famous and popular acts that are > > known > > > > to use loop machines (esp. EDPs) for their > > music. > > > > > > > > > I remember David Bowies last gig here in Stockholm > > when he did a duo > > > piece singing to the guitarist's looping. From the > > distance I could > > > not see if he was using an EDP, or whatever > > device, but the piece was > > > definitely relying on the guitar live looping. Not > > saying that Bowie > > > is "a looping artist", he he, but his live band > > touring set-ups are > > > by no means "really famous". > > > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > > > Per Boysen > > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 10:16:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5B9D3BF32; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005001c59426$93af6260$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20050729091449.63239.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004d01c59424$79deb860$1c9ffe91@inap> Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:16:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Last year, I've seen on the web a photo of Mr. Brian Eno with a lexicon jam-man Other loopers, but not popular, are Trey Gunn and Adrian Belew. Sorry, no looping-hit in my memories. Fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wavecomputer360" To: Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? > Blixa Bargeld of Einstürzende Neubauten has been a fond Jamman user ever > since their 2000 album Silence is Sexy. > > Stephen > > > "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon > Hassell) > > Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Nelson > To: > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:14 AM > Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? > > > > Peter Gabriel lists a JamMan among his instruments > > played on his latest album 'Up'; check the track > > listings for which tunes. > > > > -t- > > > > --- loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks very much, Per and Kim! > > > > > > I actually forgot an important detail in my post: If > > > you know a particular > > > song using a Loopmachine that became a hit that > > > would be very helpful, too! > > > > > > Thank you > > > Bernhard > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > > > > Sent: Freitag, 29. Juli 2005 10:45 > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? > > > > > > > > On Jul 29, 2005, at 10:01, > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > any really famous and popular acts that are > > > known > > > > > to use loop machines (esp. EDPs) for their > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember David Bowies last gig here in Stockholm > > > when he did a duo > > > > piece singing to the guitarist's looping. From the > > > distance I could > > > > not see if he was using an EDP, or whatever > > > device, but the piece was > > > > definitely relying on the guitar live looping. Not > > > saying that Bowie > > > > is "a looping artist", he he, but his live band > > > touring set-ups are > > > > by no means "really famous". > > > > > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > > > > > Per Boysen > > > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 11:13:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 013443BF44; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=mRgT404yMfuh1wSEfArE18iNU6EuK1FfqaJOHVxZ8BzXEggWYWNOKw/bzdqjlJUBKM/3bGDt3X/Xp4HXGREa2n6aB0CknTqJa2CqoOKy0IFOokJ66k7qZSZ9Fm76NzwfgGBUb2x8xQ64Z+MKSJZBoE+mcQoVq8QgiXoL7HQwAxo= Message-ID: <23baf18905072904132c78714d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:13:41 -0500 From: Robert P Reply-To: Robert P To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: hi, new to looping and soundscapes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:13:42 +0000 (UTC) I was inspired to start looping and soundscaping when I saw king crimson preform on a live dvd.. and although they are among my favorite bands, the thing that got me the most was watching robert fripp open with a soundscape.. it really takes guitar to another level. the first thing i did was go to guitargeek and look around for his equipment.. then i found this website. I would like it if you guys could tell me what he uses each piece of his setup for.. because I know what each unit does.. but I don't know how they work together to form the kind of soundscapes he creates. which machine loops? which simply delays? gah.. I am really new to this.. if you guys can give me a hand as to what does what, and what good specs are of machines that i'll need to do stuff like that. if i learn from fripp about how to sound like him then eventually i'll be able to take THAT a step further.. and that is what I plan to do.. So.. question one is.. what each machine does in robert's setup, and what role it preforms in the creation of soundscapes question two is.. am I going to need to buy all of the vintage stuff he has to do it or is there new stuff out that that can do it just as good and three.. what delay setting does he use? massive repeat? does he use it to simulate a hardcore reverb? Ah.. this is so much to learn all at one.. thanks for the help From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 11:18:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 012183BF60; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002c01c59431$caf8f9b0$cb01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> From: "Jonathan" To: References: <00dd01c59413$adb532b0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 04:36:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.85.1/997/Fri Jul 29 01:07:29 2005 on mail.kelloggcreek.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Victor Wooten uses a Lexicon Jam Man live, and when he teaches, at Bass / Nature Camp and sometimes at clinics, he uses a Boss RC-20. I'll be seeing him next month at Bass / Nature Reunion Camp, and then at the FUNK Festival in Indiana. -Jonathan www.badspatula.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 1:01 AM Subject: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? > Dear loopers > > A PR-guy is working on a press information text to announce the > Loopfestival > Zurich. > > He asked me if I know of any really famous and popular acts that are known > to use loop machines (esp. EDPs) for their music. > > If anyone of you knows about that and if possible link to relevant > articles, > etc. that would help me a lot. > > You can respond to me off-list. I'll collate the information and feed the > compiled list back to LD. > > Thank you! > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > http://loopfestval.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 12:10:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDB563BF60; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005b01c59436$8cdf5ac0$55515651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: Subject: Famous Acts using loopmachines Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:10:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01C5943E.EE3D38C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:10:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C5943E.EE3D38C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable KT Tunstall often uses loops with her shows not sure the names of the = songs though.=20 Also: Ed Alleyne Johnson - Ultraviolet, Purple Electric Violin Concerto, = Echoes=20 John Martyn - One World (1977)=20 Dan www.danmayfield.com ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C5943E.EE3D38C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

KT Tunstall often uses loops with her = shows not=20 sure the names of the songs though.
 
Also:
 
Ed Alleyne Johnson - = Ultraviolet, Purple=20 Electric Violin Concerto, Echoes 
John Martyn - One World (1977) =
 
 
Dan
www.danmayfield.com
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C5943E.EE3D38C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 12:44:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 032643BF64; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42EA2481.9010403@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:43:45 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #436 for July 28, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:44:10 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050728.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #436 July 28, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the music-bar mailing list. The Featured CD at Midnight was "M@stock 03 - The Approach of Mars" from the Ringoes, New Jersey meet in 2003. This is a unique CDR provided exclusively to Galactic Travels. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Fragments of Light" by Sensations' Fix on Polydor Records, released in 1974. music-bar - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jul PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Arttek Pixanne Arttek 2005 (none) Vic Hennegan Desert God Desert God (Space for Music) Vic Hennegan Morning Star Desert God (Space for Music) Vic Hennegan Weary Traveler Desert God (Space for Music) Wave World Od Ban Ryaak The Winds of Laax (Quantum) Hammock Birds, Flying In Stranded Under Endless Sky (none) Sequence The Amaranth Signal Automating the Sphere Penumbra (none) VA [Jason Corder] Steam Tunnels Collection 3/Blending (Databloem) 12:00 am music-barians The Approach of Mars M@stock 03 - The Approach of Mars (none) Arc Arcturus - part 2 * Arcturus (DiN) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Body Love" remastered and reissued on InsideOut Music. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Ambient 3" by Laraaji on Editions EG Records, produced by Brian Eno, and released in 1980. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 12:54:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61CBA3BF41; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Galactic Travels Playlist #436 for July 28, 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:53:59 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260DB7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Galactic Travels Playlist #436 for July 28, 2005 Thread-Index: AcWUOz0tP/XSpgCRRkqPejHhAJ+boAAAKzmw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2005 12:54:01.0493 (UTC) FILETIME=[97C1B450:01C5943C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:54:05 +0000 (UTC) I love the pictures of the artists on this page: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/concerts/artists.html Almost every musician is intensly focussed on some piece of gear, keyboard, PC, or rack. Quite an exciting bunch we techno-music heads are, eh? We just need to dress up in some black garb with hoses coming out of our heads and we would like we're from the Borg on Star Trek....don't bother me, I'm interfacing with my gear. Don't smile or act human...resistence is futile. :) Kris -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us]=20 Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:44 AM To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup; Ambient Hyperreal List; AIMusic Yahoogroup; WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #436 for July 28, 2005 http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050728.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #436 July 28, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the music-bar mailing list. The Featured CD at Midnight was "M@stock 03 - The Approach of Mars" from the Ringoes, New Jersey meet in 2003. This is a unique CDR provided exclusively to Galactic Travels. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Fragments of Light" by Sensations' Fix on Polydor Records, released in 1974. music-bar - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jul PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Arttek Pixanne Arttek 2005 (none) Vic Hennegan Desert God Desert God (Space for=20 Music) Vic Hennegan Morning Star Desert God (Space for=20 Music) Vic Hennegan Weary Traveler Desert God (Space for=20 Music) Wave World Od Ban Ryaak The Winds of Laax (Quantum) Hammock Birds, Flying In Stranded Under Endless=20 Sky (none) Sequence The Amaranth Signal Automating the Sphere Penumbra (none) VA [Jason Corder] Steam Tunnels Collection 3/Blending=20 (Databloem) 12:00 am music-barians The Approach of Mars M@stock 03 - The=20 Approach of Mars (none) Arc Arcturus - part 2 * Arcturus (DiN) 1:00 am * =3D excerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) ++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Body Love" remastered and reissued on InsideOut Music. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Ambient 3" by Laraaji on Editions EG Records, produced by Brian Eno, and released in 1980. Bill =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 13:55:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575503BF57; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42EA3543.7060506@devine-machine.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:55:15 +0200 From: Link User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OneShotRecorder (O.S.R.) New sampling software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5RiBE.A.0CH.AVj6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:55:13 +0000 (UTC) OneShot Recorder coming soon for easy sample recording lovers : http://www.devine-machine.com/newsite/index.html Feel free to post comment , or ask questions on our forum : http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=28 Cheers ! Link From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 14:09:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C40853BF40; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <91f5f2805c596eac3abf83d935e0069e@cableaz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rds8000 Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:09:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:09:52 +0000 (UTC) I remember reading that Warren Cuccurullo of Duran Duran used two Jammans in his live setup... Mmmm Wild Boys... Adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 14:15:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9C473BF64; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hVUmRpkczQ15KZoyzC9b4pVviF7ThXRQt3g9Gmcdzuxcm5pLqpVuCKCC/e79dTCMK/39FmFU64vhDXt/6W3UIlzF5MS1pcmLjTpoot9rUDUGkj+V+kYf94ruDKXlE2Niz7tyL+QjLIrjE47ee5KuUSA+xceuFlSiluOe/CsboEs= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:15:37 -0400 From: "edward ." Reply-To: "edward ." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050729012104.04b76280@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00dd01c59413$adb532b0$2101a8c0@alhambra> <6.1.2.0.2.20050729012104.04b76280@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Whats Lanois using? I don't recall seeing any loopers in his studio. e* On 7/29/05, Kim Flint wrote: > At 01:01 AM 7/29/2005, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > >Dear loopers > > > >A PR-guy is working on a press information text to announce the Loopfest= ival > >Zurich. > > > >He asked me if I know of any really famous and popular acts that are kno= wn > >to use loop machines (esp. EDPs) for their music. >=20 > Here's a few, from a mix of backgrounds: >=20 > Phil Keaggy > Howie Day > Keller Williams > Bill Frisell > John Scofield > Les Claypool (Primus) > David Torn > Trey Anastasio (Phish) > Nels Cline > Neal Schon (Journey) > DJ Radar > Benny Rietveld (Santana) > Charlie Sexton (Bob Dylan) > Radiohead > Chet Atkins > Jim Thomas (the Mermen) > Victor Wooten > Daniel Lanois > Oscar Peterson >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 15:20:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A76BD3BF67; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Old-Message-ID: <42EA497C.5010406@boomerangmusic.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:21:32 -0500 From: Mike Nelson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? References: <20050729010137-236088099@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20050729010137-236088099@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20050729082036-528892841@[71.96.234.197]> Old-X-Envelope-From: X-Auth-Username: X-Abuse: FOR ABUSE COMPLAINTS PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE ALONG WITH ALL HEADERS TO ABUSE@IHOST.BIZ. Resent-Message-ID: <_8MbcB.A.cUB.Elk6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:20:36 +0000 (UTC) > He asked me if I know of any really famous and popular acts that are known > to use loop machines (esp. EDPs) for their music. Trey Anastasio used 2 Boomerang Phrase Samplers in Phish Phil Keaggy uses a couple of Jammen in his solo act. On one tune called "Salvation Army Band" he created an extended ending ala "Hey, Jude" by the Beatles. He layered 2 guitar parts, flipped his acoustic up and sang into the sound hole layering 3 harmony parts, then played a third guitar part while singing ad libs. BIG! John Scofield, jazz guitarist, uses a Boomerang Phrase Sampler -- "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler makes you play better." -- Mike Nelson Shipping address for repairs & upgrades: 3704 Oakwood Grapevine, TX 76051 Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 800-530-4699 * 817-251-8737, Outside USA * 817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 15:20:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43BBE3BF7B; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <200.69f95a4.301ba350@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:20:48 EDT Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_200.69f95a4.301ba350_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:20:51 +0000 (UTC) --part1_200.69f95a4.301ba350_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per, et al, Bowiesl latest (as far as I know) guitarist and touring musical director is a guy named Gerry Leonard (aka Spooky Ghost). He is a looper. My=20 wife and I saw him do a solo gig at Club Kuna in L.A. last January (during NAMM week). I didn't know who he was at the time. He was=20 opening for Glen Phillips (of Toad the Wet Sprocket). Anyhoo, he was prety good. Not amazing. But, pretty darn good. Seemed to use=20 a lot of stompboxes for his settup (no rack gear a all). I think I spied a DL4 in there somewhere. Leonard's website is at:=20 http://www.spookyghost.com/ That's all I know about it -- not being a huge Bowie fan. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn In a message dated 7/29/05 1:44:50 AM, per@boysen.se writes: > I remember David Bowies last gig here in Stockholm when he did a duo=A0 > piece singing to the guitarist's looping. From the distance I could=A0 > not see if he was using an EDP, or whatever device, but the piece was=A0 > definitely relying on the guitar live looping. Not saying that Bowie=A0 > is "a looping artist", he he, but his live band touring set-ups are=A0 > by no means "really famous". >=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------- "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_200.69f95a4.301ba350_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per, et al,

Bowiesl latest (as far as I know) guitarist and touring musical director
is a guy named Gerry Leonard (aka Spooky Ghost). He is a looper. My
wife and I saw him do a solo gig at Club Kuna in L.A. last January
(during NAMM week). I didn't know who he was at the time. He was
opening for Glen Phillips (of Toad the Wet Sprocket). Anyhoo, he
was prety good. Not amazing. But, pretty darn good. Seemed to use
a lot of stompboxes for his settup (no rack gear a all). I think I spied
a DL4 in there somewhere.

Leonard's website is at:

http://www.spookyghost.com/

That's all I know about it -- not being a huge Bowie fan.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

In a message dated 7/29/05 1:44:50 AM, per@boysen.se writes:

I remember David Bowi= es last gig here in Stockholm when he did a duo=A0
piece singing to the guitarist's looping. From the distance I could=A0
not see if he was using an EDP, or whatever device, but the piece was=A0
definitely relying on the guitar live looping. Not saying that Bowie=A0
is "a looping artist", he he, but his live band touring set-ups are=A0
by no means "really famous".

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"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_200.69f95a4.301ba350_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 15:22:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 675133BF64; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,153,1120449600"; d="scan'208"; a="64290031:sNHT21692484" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050729082006.010d5e70@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:22:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: Galactic Travels Playlist #436 for July 28, 2005 In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260DB7@idbexc02.americas .cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:22:12 +0000 (UTC) I don't know what this says about me - but I prefer artists looking at their equipment as opposed to making goo-goo eyes at members of the audience while they're playing :) At 2005.07.29 05:53 AM, Hartung, Kris wrote: >I love the pictures of the artists on this page: > >http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/concerts/artists.html > >Almost every musician is intensly focussed on some piece of gear, >keyboard, PC, or rack. Quite an exciting bunch we techno-music heads >are, eh? We just need to dress up in some black garb with hoses coming >out of our heads and we would like we're from the Borg on Star >Trek....don't bother me, I'm interfacing with my gear. Don't smile or >act human...resistence is futile. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 15:28:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E12213BF83; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BxUNGPMRefQIQtASeGYPXicbR4SHWKfwZOz5HbKWwSdaNLr+sYMsVJP3yAXTorGADwbxLsSmmjMg+PcO5V9jDW/GCqEkUh/IYQ13xYCRgjr4PD3AyJQCkQg8MjmoTkaAhPipRew4Xg9/bFxjIkZ4utRpHP0Wn4gJdNDyxo1nYPE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:28:37 -0400 From: "edward ." Reply-To: "edward ." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? In-Reply-To: <00dd01c59413$adb532b0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00dd01c59413$adb532b0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:28:40 +0000 (UTC) I know Jeff Parker (Tortoise, Isotope 217) was using a Boomerang forever ag= o. He put black duct tape over the really loud, yellow 'rang font to throw off all the slackjawed post-rock kids. e* On 7/29/05, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > Dear loopers >=20 > A PR-guy is working on a press information text to announce the Loopfesti= val > Zurich. >=20 > He asked me if I know of any really famous and popular acts that are know= n > to use loop machines (esp. EDPs) for their music. >=20 > If anyone of you knows about that and if possible link to relevant articl= es, > etc. that would help me a lot. >=20 > You can respond to me off-list. I'll collate the information and feed the > compiled list back to LD. >=20 > Thank you! > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > http://loopfestval.com >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 15:38:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E9663BF81; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:41:04 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Thread-Index: AcWUUW3daHs8gHXSQRSqn1l2UUsu9gAAIUIQ From: "Brian" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Correction - Phil Keaggy uses one Jamman (32 sec.) and a Line 6DL4 in = his solo act. =20 (He has two CDs using the Jamman throughout, Acoustic Sketches) He has = also released a DVD Live in Philly, but the Salvation Army Band version = does not have the "Hey Jude" improv outro, though it does have the = typical extended improv outro. Phil Keaggy was my introduction to live looping, and I had to get a = looping device immediately after seeing him use his Jamman (this was = before he added the DL4 to the set up).=20 Trey Anastasio also used the Boomerang when he played with Trey = Anastasio Band and Oysterhead (not just Phish)=20 And John Scofield's back up guitarist (forget his name) uses Ableton = Live, duing some of Scofield's shows. =20 The Horn player from ULU also uses a Boomerang. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Nelson [mailto:mnelson@boomerangmusic.com] Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? > He asked me if I know of any really famous and popular acts that are = known > to use loop machines (esp. EDPs) for their music. Trey Anastasio used 2 Boomerang Phrase Samplers in Phish Phil Keaggy uses a couple of Jammen in his solo act. On one tune called=20 "Salvation Army Band" he created an extended ending ala "Hey, Jude" by = the=20 Beatles. He layered 2 guitar parts, flipped his acoustic up and sang = into the=20 sound hole layering 3 harmony parts, then played a third guitar part = while=20 singing ad libs. BIG! John Scofield, jazz guitarist, uses a Boomerang Phrase Sampler --=20 "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler makes you play better." -- Mike Nelson Shipping address for repairs & upgrades: 3704 Oakwood Grapevine, TX 76051 Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 800-530-4699 * 817-251-8737, Outside USA * 817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 15:46:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DE063BF89; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:47:03 -0600 Message-Id: <200507291547.j6TFl3W08505@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: test-disregard X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Just checking to see if my messages are still getting bounced as spam Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 15:49:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BE3F3BF8B; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Galactic Travels Playlist #436 for July 28, 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:49:14 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260E21@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Galactic Travels Playlist #436 for July 28, 2005 Thread-Index: AcWUUU22eqNGXbuRSi+PqgepbUEPPwAA5ZNg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2005 15:49:15.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[128E3DD0:01C59455] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:49:18 +0000 (UTC) I prefer looking at a mote of dust in the distance, approx. 10 feet out and 8 feet above the audience.....watching it float and react to the sound waves and then blow away into infinity. :)=20 -----Original Message----- From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com]=20 Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 9:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Galactic Travels Playlist #436 for July 28, 2005 I don't know what this says about me - but I prefer artists looking at their equipment as opposed to making goo-goo eyes at members of the audience while they're playing :) At 2005.07.29 05:53 AM, Hartung, Kris wrote: >I love the pictures of the artists on this page: > >http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/concerts/artists.html > >Almost every musician is intensly focussed on some piece of gear,=20 >keyboard, PC, or rack. Quite an exciting bunch we techno-music heads=20 >are, eh? We just need to dress up in some black garb with hoses coming >out of our heads and we would like we're from the Borg on Star=20 >Trek....don't bother me, I'm interfacing with my gear. Don't smile or=20 >act human...resistence is futile. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 15:53:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A13F23BF8C; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:53:46 -0600 Message-Id: <200507291553.j6TFrkS13571@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: test-disregard X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Just checking to see if my messages are still getting bounced as spam Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 15:54:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81F293BF1C; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Old-Message-ID: <42EA5188.7080308@boomerangmusic.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:55:52 -0500 From: Mike Nelson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? References: <20050729083840-371293164@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20050729083840-371293164@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20050729085456-358093374@[71.96.234.197]> Old-X-Envelope-From: X-Auth-Username: X-Abuse: FOR ABUSE COMPLAINTS PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE ALONG WITH ALL HEADERS TO ABUSE@IHOST.BIZ. Resent-Message-ID: <_V02K.A.h0C.QFl6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Brian wrote: > Correction - Phil Keaggy uses one Jamman (32 sec.) and a Line 6DL4 in his solo act. In the early days of Bomerang (I hadn't even quite my day job yet) I went to a Keaggy concert thinking I knew about looping. The venue was a beautiful church with great acoustics & a crystal clear JBL PA. He performed solo with his acoustic guitar and made my jaw drop. I left feeling like my eyes had been opened. Not only did he loop easily and seemlessly, he sang like a bird and played finger style guitar with the best of them. -- "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler makes you play better." -- Mike Nelson Shipping address for repairs & upgrades: 3704 Oakwood Grapevine, TX 76051 Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 800-530-4699 * 817-251-8737, Outside USA * 817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 16:09:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82BD73BF87; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260E21@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260E21@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Galactic Travels Playlist #436 for July 28, 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:09:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <03OTXC.A.CbD.iSl6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:09:07 +0000 (UTC) So what about THIS guy, then? http://mcrorie.net/ per ;-D On Jul 29, 2005, at 17:49, Hartung, Kris wrote: > I prefer looking at a mote of dust in the distance, approx. 10 feet > out > and 8 feet above the audience.....watching it float and react to the > sound waves and then blow away into infinity. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com] > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 9:22 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Galactic Travels Playlist #436 for July 28, 2005 > > I don't know what this says about me - but I prefer artists looking at > their equipment as opposed to making goo-goo eyes at members of the > audience while they're playing :) > > > At 2005.07.29 05:53 AM, Hartung, Kris wrote: > >> I love the pictures of the artists on this page: >> >> http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/concerts/artists.html >> >> Almost every musician is intensly focussed on some piece of gear, >> keyboard, PC, or rack. Quite an exciting bunch we techno-music heads >> are, eh? We just need to dress up in some black garb with hoses >> coming >> > > >> out of our heads and we would like we're from the Borg on Star >> Trek....don't bother me, I'm interfacing with my gear. Don't >> smile or >> act human...resistence is futile. :) >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 16:27:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 087263BF82; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:30:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Thread-Index: AcWUVjlgMilLO3qPTOWlC61PmcVJ8wAArroA From: "Brian" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:27:39 +0000 (UTC) My experience is just about the same every time (I've seen him about 7 = times now, and have had back stage + pre concert sound check access 4 = times). I even got to play one of his James A Olson guitars. = Admittedly the first time was a surrealistic experience, I'd never seen = anything like that before. Every time I see him I feel as though I know = nothing about looping and guitar playing :) I feel foolish sometimes = that I have an EDP and he just uses a Jamman. The man has an amazing = gift, to say the least. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Nelson [mailto:mnelson@boomerangmusic.com] Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Brian wrote: > Correction - Phil Keaggy uses one Jamman (32 sec.) and a Line 6DL4 in = his solo act. =20 In the early days of Bomerang (I hadn't even quite my day job yet) I = went to a=20 Keaggy concert thinking I knew about looping. The venue was a beautiful = church=20 with great acoustics & a crystal clear JBL PA. He performed solo with = his=20 acoustic guitar and made my jaw drop. I left feeling like my eyes had = been=20 opened. Not only did he loop easily and seemlessly, he sang like a bird = and=20 played finger style guitar with the best of them. --=20 "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler makes you play better." -- Mike Nelson Shipping address for repairs & upgrades: 3704 Oakwood Grapevine, TX 76051 Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 800-530-4699 * 817-251-8737, Outside USA * 817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 16:31:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7C543BF7F; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050729092937.04bce480@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:31:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? In-Reply-To: <00e801c5941b$1544b7a0$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <00e801c5941b$1544b7a0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <502eo.A.COE.Rnl6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:31:13 +0000 (UTC) At 01:54 AM 7/29/2005, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: >I actually forgot an important detail in my post: If you know a particular >song using a Loopmachine that became a hit that would be very helpful, too! Chet Atkins won a Grammy Award for the song "Jam Man" in 1996. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 16:33:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 993B03BF90; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:28:48 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: hi, new to looping and soundscapes To: Robert P , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002501c5945b$a1896cc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <23baf18905072904132c78714d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:33:08 +0000 (UTC) > question two is.. > > am I going to need to buy all of the vintage stuff he has to do it or > is there new stuff out that that can do it just as good > > and three.. > > what delay setting does he use? massive repeat? does he use it to > simulate a hardcore reverb? Ah.. this is so much to learn all at one.. Here's a quick and (in my universe) successful BUDGET recipe: * Run your guitar through a powerful and flexible multi-effects unit to add sustain, reverb and short delay. I use a Boss GT-3, currently available for about $200 used. RF uses a guitar synth. Nice, but several $1000s of dollars. * Use a volume pedal to generate swells. * Use multiple long delays to generate a shifting soundscape. RF usually explores the 12-to-18 second range. He's using four of those expensive I-forget-which-brand delays, and is going for something even more high-end soon. My budget approach is to use two Boss DD-20 digital delays (about $175 each) in very long delay mode, with feedback set at 1/2 to 3/4, to sometimes full. * Then choose your notes VERY carefully. Explore overlaying two moderately dissimilar scales (C major and Eb harmonic minor) or uncommon/restless scales (whole tone, Lydian dominant, or diminshed). * Fripp keeps his textures pretty consonant throughout - stringlike pads, the rare bell tone, quasi-choral voices. Once (or while) you nail Fripp's soundscape riffage, please, PLEASE find your own voice. You have one. After all you're Robert P, not F. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 17:13:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F202C3BF79; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=W07hLRZQATb+Jg4zkeaqCacVbuNFcRQgUfZeUuhMnlvB0uyLWSzZ8nAI7POifGEpXcN1WrDcVIrLPG00CpUH5Eybh9beBAvkJNb/Rq7o7wP7enFgZyJGSU5ZNeOKz4iKADROTCMf6WD82XGcWcqP2pnSGlGRS0QI2vA/5sn5Y0k= ; Message-ID: <20050729171326.81529.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Slightly OT: headphone monitoring for home recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42E9EDEF.70204@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:13:27 +0000 (UTC) I just might be in the market for a good set of headphones to use in home multitrack recording / mixing. I also have a set of near-field monitors, but they lack a lot of low end bass response, so I was thinking it might be cheaper to get some decent headphones than to buy (a) new monitors or (b) a subwoofer. I currently tend to get very bassy mixes without realizing it due to the monitors. My goal would probably be to listen to mixes both via headphones and monitors to get a decent "picture" of the sound I've got going on. So, any recommendations on a decent (maybe around $100 or so) set of studio type headphones? Other suggestions? Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 17:28:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9B023BF65; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:28:31 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Slightly OT: headphone monitoring for home recordings In-reply-to: <20050729171326.81529.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42EA673F.4090705@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050729171326.81529.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <604VBD.A.lVG.Edm6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:28:36 +0000 (UTC) mike feeney wrote: > So, any recommendations on a decent (maybe around $100 > or so) set of studio type headphones? I think the Sennheiser HD 600's are great but they're over your limit, $350 at zzounds. www.headphones.com (where else?) has a good range, though I'm not sure you're going to get what most would consider "mixing" quality headphones for under $100. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 17:29:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D3673BF75; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:30:26 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c59463$3685d1e0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:29:10 +0000 (UTC) and you can't (at least in live4) switch effect sends pre/post. :-((((( -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Juli 2005 15:03 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond On Jul 28, 2005, at 13:49, Dan Mayfield wrote: > Great video, is there anything that can send multiple keystrokes to > Live on > a Mac? Kid mentions he uses one for the Windows. That's a good question! It's been up many times at the Ableton Live =20 forum but so far I have not seen any positive answer to it. You are =20 able to address almost any function in Live with external MIDI except =20 for the Delete button ;-( Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 17:48:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3E343BF67; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Eah2l56+t7tS5duXtJ7abMDmF3ew7xItUy+tiqdf12gHRqO0gqgog0MnLT9C5eVBjke5nrkrcn+QOpsq90h7Z1mPpCJmCE6gEks2ynHAOcuiqwhTcT3AxlTHCAzxliigAqrKKKNJA65MDQWR3naNRnh1+4QEcpat3j5ijgHTCxc= Message-ID: <588ce11d05072910483b1e5799@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:48:19 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Slightly OT: headphone monitoring for home recordings In-Reply-To: <20050729171326.81529.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <42E9EDEF.70204@post.cybercity.dk> <20050729171326.81529.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1Qfv-.A.XMH.kvm6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Techbargains listed a great deal on the Sennheiser HD280: Sennheiser HD280 Headphones $57.94 - July 27, 2005 eCOST has sennheiser Dynamic HD280 Professional Closed Circumaural Headphones on sale for $57.94, $1.99 shipping, $5.50 handling. Tax in CA, IL, TN I have a pair (I spent $100) and I think they are great. Headphone.com loves them too. On 7/29/05, mike feeney wrote: > I just might be in the market for a good set of > headphones to use in home multitrack recording / > mixing. I also have a set of near-field monitors, but > they lack a lot of low end bass response, so I was > thinking it might be cheaper to get some decent > headphones than to buy (a) new monitors or (b) a > subwoofer. I currently tend to get very bassy mixes > without realizing it due to the monitors. My goal > would probably be to listen to mixes both via > headphones and monitors to get a decent "picture" of > the sound I've got going on. >=20 > So, any recommendations on a decent (maybe around $100 > or so) set of studio type headphones? >=20 > Other suggestions? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 17:50:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5B453BF6D; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <192.44da14e4.301bc647@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:49:59 EDT Subject: Re: Slightly OT: headphone monitoring for home recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:50:07 +0000 (UTC) In a message dated 7/29/05 10:13:33 AM, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: << Other suggestions? >> maybe some sort of vst spectralizer that will display the realtime EQ spread shape? BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 18:14:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E82CC3BF2B; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c59463$3685d1e0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000e01c59463$3685d1e0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Abl Live routings (was: Re: AW: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:14:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:14:44 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 29, 2005, at 19:30, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > and you can't (at least in live4) switch effect sends pre/post. :- > ((((( That would indeed be nice to have in Live! But you can achieve that same routing by fetching the input also to a second track and setting that tracks output to "Sends Only" (channel A becomes "post" and channel B becomes "pre"). Live may look like a conventional mixing desk if taken only by the graphic interface, but it's in fact deeper. Audio and MIDI can be routed in almost any direction, especially on a Mac where Live integrates with the OS X built in piping channels for audio and MIDI. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 18:41:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3CB73BF64; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_goodfellas.real.com-17482-1122662445-0001-2" Message-Id: <42EA7837.0000FC.01028@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:40:55 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <20050729171326.81529.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Slightly OT: headphone monitoring for home recordings X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:41:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_goodfellas.real.com-17482-1122662445-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_goodfellas.real.com-17482-1122662445-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_goodfellas.real.com-17482-1122662445-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try this,=0D get a cheap set of small speakers. Back int he day I used Aurtones, small 6" boxes with a 5" speaker. Today, I use Altec computer speakers wi= th the sub nearly off. =0D =0D =0D =0D The small set of speakers will help you balance sounds, resulting in better translation from one playback environment to another. =0D =0D I'd nix's the headphones for mixing. It's an unreal listening environment. When mixing get the sound on the bigger speakers, and balanc= e on the smaller. When you are done, the mix should sound good on both sets= , or....your not done. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 07/29/05 10:13:27=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Slightly OT: headphone monitoring for home recordings=0D =0D I just might be in the market for a good set of=0D headphones to use in home multitrack recording /=0D mixing. I also have a set of near-field monitors, but=0D they lack a lot of low end bass response, so I was=0D thinking it might be cheaper to get some decent=0D headphones than to buy (a) new monitors or (b) a=0D subwoofer. I currently tend to get very bassy mixes=0D without realizing it due to the monitors. My goal=0D would probably be to listen to mixes both via=0D headphones and monitors to get a decent "picture" of=0D the sound I've got going on.=0D =0D So, any recommendations on a decent (maybe around $100=0D or so) set of studio type headphones?=0D =0D Other suggestions?=0D =0D Mike=0D =0D =20 --=_goodfellas.real.com-17482-1122662445-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Try this,
      get a cheap set of small speaker= s. Back int he day I used Aurtones, small 6" boxes with a 5" speaker. Tod= ay, I use Altec computer speakers with the sub nearly off.
 
 
    The small set of speakers will help you balance s= ounds, resulting in better translation from one playback environment= to another.
 
    I'd nix's the headphones for mixing. It's an unre= al listening environment. When mixing get the sound on the bigger speaker= s, and balance on the smaller. When you are done, the mix should sound go= od on both sets, or....your not done.
 
 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 07/29/05 10:= 13:27
Subject: Slightly = OT: headphone monitoring for home recordings
 
I just might be in the market for a good set of
headphones to use in home multitrack recording /
mixing.  I also have a set of near-field monitors, but
they lack a lot of low end bass response, so I was
thinking it might be cheaper to get some decent
headphones than to buy (a) new monitors or (b) a
subwoofer.  I currently tend to get very bassy mixes
without realizing it due to the monitors.  My goal
would probably be to listen to mixes both via
headphones and monitors to get a decent "picture" of
the sound I've got going on.
 
So, any recommendations on a decent (maybe around $100
or so) set of studio type headphones?
 
Other suggestions?
 
Mike
 
 
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Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A68C23BF57; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1133.24.92.72.91.1122663570.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com> In-Reply-To: <00dd01c59413$adb532b0$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <00dd01c59413$adb532b0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? From: gary@friendlyspider.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Paul Dresher He's used elaborate tape based loop systems as well as Jamman and other loopers. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 21:20:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3052A3BF2B; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FRp5zzLRoR2u1AG/hpqLIfIhXjtnM1ZYyvkYFpIw/17NWEGZ9s+6CRybEIyqqyjjQOwBeFU87uJREH+s5N2dKgLef4EYzp0m5UcscBEDK1iO1DzdffHrK1uFfDXXB+zYbzUOIoW2E1PXmdcquEk8AgIiEWlpOqLUPkJpvw+bsTs= ; Message-ID: <20050729212046.15347.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: bazantar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1614970008-1122672046=:15103" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:20:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-1614970008-1122672046=:15103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit wow this guy is really on to something! I wonder if he's hip to loops? mark@bazantar.com post em if you see cool sites like this. thanks, daniel. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. --0-1614970008-1122672046=:15103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
wow this guy is really on to something! I wonder if he's hip to loops? mark@bazantar.com post em if you see cool sites like this.    thanks,    daniel.

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Check email on your mobile phone. --0-1614970008-1122672046=:15103-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 22:37:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 011E73BF44; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nxiyFeDia9pzufuX9TWRsIAdTXgVsa+W/HBz2pj76TKf9wevFe/ZmdSYpSofc1Hv8az+FofpSNPPKqbURdeuKEtgS+ionKGQLg7f+Y9c3qNyHeAjNvT+/dxINoC2BscN5F+P59xBQTbXtcabDaD3973q2DnnvY5dykeHVnw3l3E= Message-ID: <64b81a78050729153774bc594@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:37:38 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers' Delight Subject: Re: Slightly OT: headphone monitoring for home recordings In-Reply-To: <42EA7837.0000FC.01028@A7V266E-XP-USER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050729171326.81529.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> <42EA7837.0000FC.01028@A7V266E-XP-USER> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:37:39 +0000 (UTC) AKG K 240M or S for $99 AKG K 240 DF for $199 I've never heard anyone complain about their AKGs. :) Good Luck, Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 22:59:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46BF83BF5E; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:00:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fake spring reverb pedals Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:59:18 +0000 (UTC) I am looking for a good portable 'fake" spring reverb for live use. A small battery operated pedal would be ideal. I have used the Eh "Holy Grail" and liek it quite a bit but I am curious what else is out there. Also it does not run on batteries (not a deal breaker but I'd prefer to have the option of AC/battery). I know Boss has made a few reverb pedals with a spring setting and I know there are two other EH reverbs but I'm not sure if they're any more interesting or just more hype. I'm not so interested in hall or room reverbs as a good simulation of the classic spring reverb found in things like the Space echo, SynthiA, or arp 2600. A small older unit might be an option as well but I'm trying to avoid taking a 19" rack unit, a pedal on the floor is perfect. thanks for any/all help. -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 23:03:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5A353BF5B; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:08:01 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? To: Message-id: <002e01c59492$5ebce160$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Pat Mostaletto, the drummer in King Crimson, uses Ableton Live and loops real-time during shows. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 23:03:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F06ED3BF46; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050729230336.58931.qmail@web305.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:03:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew McCabe Subject: OT: need source for 2U rack enclosure To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-949117914-1122678216=:58540" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:03:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-949117914-1122678216=:58540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm looking for a source for a 2U rack enclsoure. I'm building a guitar preamp and need to rackmount the sucker. Thanks! Matt --0-949117914-1122678216=:58540 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'm looking for a source for a 2U rack enclsoure.  I'm building a guitar preamp and need to rackmount the sucker.  Thanks!
 
Matt
--0-949117914-1122678216=:58540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 23:10:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80F223BF5C; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:10:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42EAB753.4070703@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:10:11 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for July, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:10:30 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/top20jul.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for July, 2005. Shows #424 to #427; 7-July-2005 to 28-July-2005 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== The Amaranth Signal - Penumbra - none Arc - Arcturus - DiN Arttek - Arttek 2005 - none Binar - Project Poltergeist - NeuHarmony Brian Parnham - Between Here & There - Floating Point dreamSTATE - Passage - e-SPACE Hammock - Stranded Under Endless Sky - none Ken Martin - Transparent Shadows - Space for Music Michael Whalen - Nightscenes - Alchemy music-barians - M@stock 03 - Selection - none music-barians - M@stock 03 - The Approach of Mars - none music-barians - Navisto - The Flute Sessions - none music-barians - The Malta Sessions - none Neal Merrick - Magic Traveler - Space for Music OTI - Recollection - Audiobulb RMI - Emissaries - Cuneiform Robert Scott Thompson - At the Still Point of the Turning World - Hypnos Various Artists - Collection 3/Blending - Databloem Vic Hennegan - Desert God - Space for Music Wave World - The Winds of Laax - Quantum From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 29 23:47:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65A223BF46; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:47:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Ruppert" Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42EAC01D.7040900@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030925.3 Mac) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 67.167.225.129 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Hands down the best fake spring is in the green Digitech pedal. I use it in the studio ALL the time for retro-boing and man they have it down cold. The Boss spring I have in the GT stuff sounds like a Japanese spring unit and not so Fenderish. The boing is just different. Check out the Digi unit and you will be very surprised. It also has a few other reverb sound that are nice. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 00:06:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D7663BF48; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5A4D2678-57C5-437A-A8EB-316FD7D261D8@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: John Schur Subject: Which looper? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:06:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi All New to the list and thinking about joining the looper ranks. I've researched several units including the Boss Loop Station, the DigiTech JamMan, and the Electro Harmonix 16 Sec. Delay. I haven't played any device so I'm open to any suggestions or advive. My intended use is strictly home studio; no live performance; mostly guitar, maybe some synth; no vocals. Thanks for any advice, Regards John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 00:09:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4943F3BF45; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <42EAC01D.7040900@aol.com> References: <42EAC01D.7040900@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <329079FD-008E-11DA-A399-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:09:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Well this does not really fit the bill, but if you want an awesome stand alone spring reverb.... http://www.juleamps.com/the_amps/reverb.html Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) On Jul 29, 2005, at 4:47 PM, Bill Ruppert wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 00:36:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DD1C3BF6D; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:36:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:36:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <329079FD-008E-11DA-A399-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:36:42 +0000 (UTC) i gotta pipe in if only because i'm a reverb guy from wayback! i own alotta quality stand alone reverbs, partial list: Soldano SurfBox Soldano Space Box TubeWorks Real tube Reverb Furman Sound RV-1 Lexicon Reflex Lexicon PCM-60 Reverberation system Lexicon LXP-15 II Peavey Valvverb EH HolyGrail Boss RV-3 and just for a general observation NO piddlee pedal will ever sound like a real quality 'verb...course-nothing sounds like the reverberation present in a great room and for me, once you are used to a certain lusciousness-ya caint go back... "Fake spring reverb pedals" just sounds so wrong... but...hey thats me :-) staninsanfran > Well this does not really fit the bill, but if you want an awesome > stand alone spring reverb.... > > http://www.juleamps.com/the_amps/reverb.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 00:49:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23F453BF75; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:49:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Ruppert" Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42EACE91.9020108@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030925.3 Mac) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 67.167.225.129 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Please go listen to the spring emulation in this stupid cheap box. It funny its so good. You can also carry it in you pocket. stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote on 7/29/05, 8:36 PM: > i gotta pipe in if only because i'm a reverb guy from wayback! > i own alotta quality stand alone reverbs, partial list: > Soldano SurfBox > Soldano Space Box > TubeWorks Real tube Reverb > Furman Sound RV-1 > Lexicon Reflex > Lexicon PCM-60 Reverberation system > Lexicon LXP-15 II > Peavey Valvverb > EH HolyGrail > Boss RV-3 > and just for a general observation > NO piddlee pedal will ever sound like a real quality > 'verb...course-nothing > sounds like the reverberation present in a great room > and for me, once you are used to a certain lusciousness-ya caint go > back... > "Fake spring reverb pedals" just sounds so wrong... > but...hey thats me :-) > staninsanfran > > > Well this does not really fit the bill, but if you want an awesome > > stand alone spring reverb.... > > > > http://www.juleamps.com/the_amps/reverb.html > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 00:50:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6253A3BF6F; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:52:27 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Slightly OT: headphone monitoring for home recordings To: mike feeney , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004701c594a1$1564cbe0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050729171326.81529.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:50:18 +0000 (UTC) > So, any recommendations on a decent (maybe around $100 > or so) set of studio type headphones? Grado headphones. Amazingly real, plenty of air. Under $100. I also have a set of Sennheiser PX200s I like - portable, light, great bass response, about $45. Also, make a mix, then play it on two or three different systems: car stereo, home stereo, boombox, computer speakers. When it sounds good on all systems, you're there. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 00:51:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C5EE3BF82; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:51:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Ruppert" Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42EACEF5.3080906@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030925.3 Mac) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 67.167.225.129 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:51:02 +0000 (UTC) I have to add we are talking cheap spring emulation not Lexicon reverbs. I mean BOING. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 01:23:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AEE23BF36; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1400.24.92.72.91.1122686602.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals From: gary@friendlyspider.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2ghfbD.A.Vq.Kat6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:23:23 +0000 (UTC) I have the Danelectro Spring King, which is a floor pedal that has actual springs. Check out reviews on Harmony-Central. It's not bad at all...I haven't heard that Digitech Digiverb pedal, part of their "X-series", which advertises a spring setting... The Spring King definitely sounds like springs, albeit, short ones. It also eats batteries... but I run off of AC or a rechargeable camera battery. You can also use the cheap-but-fun Echo Mic for all kinds of reverby applications... http://www.toys2wish4.com/magicmic.html Gary > I am looking for a good portable 'fake" spring reverb for live use. A > small battery operated pedal would be ideal. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 01:37:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 603023BF60; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:37:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Ruppert" Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1400.24.92.72.91.1122686602.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com> Message-ID: <42EAD9E1.9020904@aol.com> References: <1400.24.92.72.91.1122686602.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030925.3 Mac) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 67.167.225.129 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Fun thing about the real spring Dano unit is you can kick it:-) gary@friendlyspider.com wrote on 7/29/05, 8:23 PM: > I have the Danelectro Spring King, which is a floor pedal that has > actual springs. Check out reviews on Harmony-Central. It's not bad at > all...I haven't heard that Digitech Digiverb pedal, part of their > "X-series", > which advertises a spring setting... > The Spring King definitely sounds like springs, albeit, short ones. > It also eats batteries... but I run off of AC or a rechargeable camera > battery. You can also use the cheap-but-fun Echo Mic for all kinds of > reverby applications... http://www.toys2wish4.com/magicmic.html > Gary > > > > I am looking for a good portable 'fake" spring reverb for live use. A > > small battery operated pedal would be ideal. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 01:37:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83E2A3BF7D; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=MEEzL264KWNPgpfqh/nMWcOKsIByiCPQJEDS4pB9jn1zEroH2pFoU3eldLRiw9d3; Message-ID: <410-22005763014439150@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:44:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ed40175202a06f737f3160e52ee330a2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.163.60 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:37:50 +0000 (UTC) If you mean part of their X series, you mean the Reverberator. The spring reverbs are breathtaking. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 7/29/2005 9:23:23 PM > Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals > > I have the Danelectro Spring King, which is a floor pedal that has > actual springs. Check out reviews on Harmony-Central. It's not bad at > all...I haven't heard that Digitech Digiverb pedal, part of their "X-series", > which advertises a spring setting... > The Spring King definitely sounds like springs, albeit, short ones. > It also eats batteries... but I run off of AC or a rechargeable camera > battery. You can also use the cheap-but-fun Echo Mic for all kinds of > reverby applications... http://www.toys2wish4.com/magicmic.html > Gary > > > > I am looking for a good portable 'fake" spring reverb for live use. A > > small battery operated pedal would be ideal. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 01:58:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19C563BF60; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Fake spring reverb pedals Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:58:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Jesus Christo Stan! you got a lot of them thingys, ever turned them all on at once? talk about a Dick Dale wet dream! Here's you new band name... The 'Verbs There is an actual floor pedal spring reverb made by Song works called the Little Lelani, but it has gotten mixed (mostly good) reviews on Harmony Central and it ain't exactly little, put it is an honest to god spring reverb. Can't say I have tried the thing but the possibility of creating explosion sounds by kicking it sounds intriguing. Me I like tube driven spring reverb and high quality digital reverb. If lexicon put a killer sound chip in a pedal, they would get my attention. Bill -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals i gotta pipe in if only because i'm a reverb guy from wayback! i own alotta quality stand alone reverbs, partial list: Soldano SurfBox Soldano Space Box TubeWorks Real tube Reverb Furman Sound RV-1 Lexicon Reflex Lexicon PCM-60 Reverberation system Lexicon LXP-15 II Peavey Valvverb EH HolyGrail Boss RV-3 and just for a general observation NO piddlee pedal will ever sound like a real quality 'verb...course-nothing sounds like the reverberation present in a great room and for me, once you are used to a certain lusciousness-ya caint go back... "Fake spring reverb pedals" just sounds so wrong... but...hey thats me :-) staninsanfran > Well this does not really fit the bill, but if you want an awesome > stand alone spring reverb.... > > http://www.juleamps.com/the_amps/reverb.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 02:30:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 680D43BF5E; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:30:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003501c594ae$4ab78a50$0200a8c0@marcsnew> Reply-To: "Marc Roche" From: "Marc Roche" To: References: <20050729184119.B43413BF6D@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: famous acts using loop machines... Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:27:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <50SFa.A.IHC.oYu6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:30:00 +0000 (UTC) California guitar trio uses the Repeater..... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #479 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 02:36:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E55BD3BF75; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:36:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:36:23 +0000 (UTC) hey Bill- guess i missunderstood the q...looking for a (((BOINGG))) machine...my badd... i had one of those verbs-guess what? we ran it over w/ a car(on purpose:-)-it looked real cool all flattened out... > Jesus Christo Stan! you got a lot of them thingys, ever turned them all on > at once? talk about a Dick Dale wet dream! Here's you new band name... > The 'Verbs > There is an actual floor pedal spring reverb made by Song works called the > Little Lelani, but it has gotten mixed (mostly good) reviews on Harmony > Central and it ain't exactly little, put it is an honest to god spring > reverb. Can't say I have tried the thing but the possibility of creating > explosion sounds by kicking it sounds intriguing. Me I like tube driven > spring reverb and high quality digital reverb. If lexicon put a killer sound > chip in a pedal, they would get my attention. > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:37 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals > > > i gotta pipe in if only because i'm a reverb guy from wayback! > i own alotta quality stand alone reverbs, partial list: > Soldano SurfBox > Soldano Space Box > TubeWorks Real tube Reverb > Furman Sound RV-1 > Lexicon Reflex > Lexicon PCM-60 Reverberation system > Lexicon LXP-15 II > Peavey Valvverb > EH HolyGrail > Boss RV-3 > and just for a general observation > NO piddlee pedal will ever sound like a real quality 'verb...course-nothing > sounds like the reverberation present in a great room > and for me, once you are used to a certain lusciousness-ya caint go back... > "Fake spring reverb pedals" just sounds so wrong... > but...hey thats me :-) > staninsanfran > >> Well this does not really fit the bill, but if you want an awesome >> stand alone spring reverb.... >> >> http://www.juleamps.com/the_amps/reverb.html >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 02:50:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 926643BF71; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:49:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Ruppert" Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42EAEAD7.2030607@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030925.3 Mac) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 67.167.225.129 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:50:07 +0000 (UTC) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote on 7/29/05, 10:36 PM: > hey Bill- guess i missunderstood the q...looking for a (((BOINGG))) > machine...my badd... > i had one of those verbs-guess what? we ran it over w/ a > car(on purpose:-)-it looked real cool all flattened out... > > > > Jesus Christo Stan! you got a lot of them thingys, ever turned them > all on > > at once? talk about a Dick Dale wet dream! Here's you new band name... > > The 'Verbs > > There is an actual floor pedal spring reverb made by Song works > called the > > Little Lelani, but it has gotten mixed (mostly good) reviews on Harmony > > Central and it ain't exactly little, put it is an honest to god spring > > reverb. Can't say I have tried the thing but the possibility of > creating > > explosion sounds by kicking it sounds intriguing. Me I like tube driven > > spring reverb and high quality digital reverb. If lexicon put a > killer sound > > chip in a pedal, they would get my attention. > > Bill > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:37 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals > > > > > > i gotta pipe in if only because i'm a reverb guy from wayback! > > i own alotta quality stand alone reverbs, partial list: > > Soldano SurfBox > > Soldano Space Box > > TubeWorks Real tube Reverb > > Furman Sound RV-1 > > Lexicon Reflex > > Lexicon PCM-60 Reverberation system > > Lexicon LXP-15 II > > Peavey Valvverb > > EH HolyGrail > > Boss RV-3 > > and just for a general observation > > NO piddlee pedal will ever sound like a real quality > 'verb...course-nothing > > sounds like the reverberation present in a great room > > and for me, once you are used to a certain lusciousness-ya caint go > back... > > "Fake spring reverb pedals" just sounds so wrong... > > but...hey thats me :-) > > staninsanfran > > > >> Well this does not really fit the bill, but if you want an awesome > >> stand alone spring reverb.... > >> > >> http://www.juleamps.com/the_amps/reverb.html > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 07:24:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6455A3BF2F; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <237c138669f76bcef1e71ddd0dbcbf6b@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nico spahni Subject: switching plugins with a foot controller Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:25:18 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:24:38 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking for a midi foot controller to control plugins (Mac OSX Audio Units) in live performances. I'll mainly need to switch the plugins on/off (bypass function), one or two real time controllers (expression pedals) would be handy, too. Does anyone need foot controllers for similar purposes? What type of controller should I look for? Best Nico From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 08:48:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FC033BF42; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: switching plugins with a foot controller Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:50:10 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c594e3$b304f220$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <237c138669f76bcef1e71ddd0dbcbf6b@gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Behringer FCB1010. Lots of people here are using it. Of course, you need an AU host application which allows to control the plugins via MIDI. One example is Ableton Live. I did compile a setup where I did control Live (including plugins) with a combination of a FCB1010 and a Waldorf Q. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: nico spahni [mailto:nicosp@gmx.net]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2005 09:25 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: switching plugins with a foot controller I'm looking for a midi foot controller to control plugins (Mac OSX=20 Audio Units) in live performances. I'll mainly need to switch the=20 plugins on/off (bypass function), one or two real time controllers=20 (expression pedals) would be handy, too. Does anyone need foot=20 controllers for similar purposes? What type of controller should I look=20 for? Best Nico From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 10:30:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B14803BF2E; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:30:19 +0200 Message-ID: <003f01c594f1$b2a31ab0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050729092937.04bce480@loopers-delight.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: <2vbjj.A.iUE.Kb16CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Many thanks to everyone for their input! Many thanks to Kim for the concrete song by Chet Atkins! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Freitag, 29. Juli 2005 18:32 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? > > At 01:54 AM 7/29/2005, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz wrote: > >I actually forgot an important detail in my post: If you know a > particular > >song using a Loopmachine that became a hit that would be very helpful, > too! > > Chet Atkins won a Grammy Award for the song "Jam Man" in 1996. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 14:02:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 048173BF60; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JcuxU2MY4jCNwsIEh6glJCMBhrh9p9mesXxzuEVs0i+zAz5xSCwEBHSP76Q2ehH6NGoCSfqnBeBIf+YNAgnNkz+UQhbzdbAcDw1ALKH5RwqcyDojr4dskkN3Es5xc0U4zHo7rASjJX0EHXOdIO8Or/3m4WM29Wckzv/gWZ8bEBk= Message-ID: <64b81a7805073007021792ca6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:02:13 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: need source for 2U rack enclosure In-Reply-To: <20050729230336.58931.qmail@web305.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050729230336.58931.qmail@web305.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:02:15 +0000 (UTC) I've been happy with my Grundorf 6-space rack. I checked www.grundorf.com and they've got several lines with 2-space racks.=20 Pick a model you like and google for it. I know Same Day Music and American Musical carry their racks. SKB is another respected brand and they can be found everywhere. Todd On 7/29/05, Matthew McCabe wrote: > I'm looking for a source for a 2U rack enclsoure. I'm building a guitar > preamp and need to rackmount the sucker. Thanks!=20 > =20 > Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 14:41:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DBCA3BEFB; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:41:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <32276670.1122734499262.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:41:44 +0000 (UTC) yo b.....here is another one.....this issue of GUITAR PLAYER has a blurb on DANA COLLEY, sax player with MORPHINE using a BOOMERANG....."To form chords, Colley runs his sax through a BOOMERANG PHRASE SAMPLER, and adds harmonic notes to his lines.".....he has a new group called TWINEMAN and the new cd is called "SIDESHOW".....mic p.s. that world famous trio KLUTTER uses BOOMERANG on all tunes, the song "ICH BEIN KLUTTER" is an orgy of RANG-A-RIFIC sounds.....:) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 16:54:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A3C43BF60; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [62.255.52.19] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260E21@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: kp2 anyone? Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:53:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Anyone using a kaoss pad 1 or 2? I just borrowed a v1 and it's cool but a bit on the noisy side - great interface tho. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 17:14:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 557AD3BF64; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: kp2 anyone? Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:14:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcWVJ1CxmWCBBKYGRf+c4juxb3QeywAAmL0A In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050730171411.JLWJ17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <0_NN2.A.qNG.oV76CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:14:17 +0000 (UTC) I bought one (k2) to use for sampling my vinyl--just had it out yesterday, it's a great piece of kit, very clean--but too weird for me to use at any of my gigs. Great for loop mangling tho--and accepts and sends MIDI clock! Gary -----Original Message----- From: gareth.whitcock [mailto:gareth.whitcock@ntlworld.com] Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 9:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: kp2 anyone? Anyone using a kaoss pad 1 or 2? I just borrowed a v1 and it's cool but a bit on the noisy side - great interface tho. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 20:29:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B78A33BF46; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3057.24.92.72.91.1122755385.squirrel@webmail1.pair.com> In-Reply-To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260E21@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: kp2 anyone? From: gary@friendlyspider.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:29:47 +0000 (UTC) I've got the first Kaoss pad... I mostly use it in lieu of pitch bend and tremelo wheels for my Fatar weighted controller, which is sans-jog. It's great for this purpose...and you can hit a button with you thumb after you've bent/modulated your sound and hold it there until you hit the button again...pretty cool.. gp > Anyone using a kaoss pad 1 or 2? I just borrowed a v1 and it's cool but a > bit on the noisy side - great interface tho. > Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 20:48:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CF343BF64; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:48:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pS5+RrM3b8/xQ8g9pu3ML1j7fojCO/Sms4zTqFeh5twXgNrDKHupHEvrnPkgvD4H22pR6O2H4E08SOeogeyeT1hxcLpTU1ZSlRKIP+9nwVN/LHXnWfT5aQQxm3dg7HSFJ6J+wBbswtzzRJCIdcCZ2HHQ9Xg27UmoPv/CJN5oKxQ= ; Message-ID: <20050730204827.71151.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:48:27 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-598180619-1122756507=:67796" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9ZM-9.A.uGE.de-6CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:48:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-598180619-1122756507=:67796 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit greetings,the line6 dl4 multi~head setting is based on the roland RE~101 space echo,yea batteries too.it does a lot of cool cool stuff.great for live applications.if it made longer loops it would have it all... live long and prosper scary visionary... Legion wrote: I am looking for a good portable 'fake" spring reverb for live use. A small battery operated pedal would be ideal. I have used the Eh "Holy Grail" and liek it quite a bit but I am curious what else is out there. Also it does not run on batteries (not a deal breaker but I'd prefer to have the option of AC/battery). I know Boss has made a few reverb pedals with a spring setting and I know there are two other EH reverbs but I'm not sure if they're any more interesting or just more hype. I'm not so interested in hall or room reverbs as a good simulation of the classic spring reverb found in things like the Space echo, SynthiA, or arp 2600. A small older unit might be an option as well but I'm trying to avoid taking a 19" rack unit, a pedal on the floor is perfect. thanks for any/all help. -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-598180619-1122756507=:67796 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
greetings,the line6 dl4 multi~head setting is based on the roland RE~101 space echo,yea batteries  too.it does a lot of cool cool stuff.great for live applications.if it made longer loops it would have it all...    live long and prosper             scary visionary...

Legion <legion@helpwantedproductions.com> wrote:

I am looking for a good portable 'fake" spring reverb for live use. A
small battery operated pedal would be ideal. I have used the Eh "Holy
Grail" and liek it quite a bit but I am curious what else is out
there. Also it does not run on batteries (not a deal breaker but I'd
prefer to have the option of AC/battery).

I know Boss has made a few reverb pedals with a spring setting and I know
there are two other EH reverbs but I'm not sure if they're any more
interesting or just more hype. I'm not so interested in hall or room
reverbs as a good simulation of the classic spring reverb found in things
like the Space echo, SynthiA, or arp 2600. A small older unit might be an
option as well but I'm trying to avoid taking a 19" rack unit, a pedal on
the floor is perfect.

thanks for any/all help.



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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-598180619-1122756507=:67796-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 21:00:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 640C13BF67; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: kp2 anyone? Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:01:47 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c59549$e6a76b10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:00:31 +0000 (UTC) I have both the KP1 and the KP2. Advantages of the KP2: * much better sound quality * lots of effects that can be MIDI-synced * two slots for short sample loops that can be used independently of the effects * Some synth patches Advantages of the KP1: * early digital sound aesthetics I'd say for most applications the KP2 should be preferred over the KP1. If you're looking for some very characteristic sound, then the way to go is the KP1: while the KP2 is just a cheap effector with a touchpad, the KP1 has a very unique sound to it - I dearly love the filter sound (check out the tune "Hegel's Dilemma" on eblah.iuma.com, where I use both this filter as well as scratching a sample). Another example of using the sample-scratching feature (which both KPs offer) is to be found on the "Dem Andenken eines Engels: Epliogue" track on moinlabs.zed.cbc.ca. I actually played the KP1 with my toes on this one. Both KPs also send MIDI CCs you can use e.g. to control a Theremin synth patch or something. There had been someone on this group who used a setup including four KP1. Summary: the cool thing about the KP is the interface. It mostly addresses keyboard players and DJs, as with these instruments it's relatively easy to get a hand free. People in the audience usually think the KP is really cool. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: gareth.whitcock [mailto:gareth.whitcock@ntlworld.com]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2005 18:53 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: kp2 anyone? Anyone using a kaoss pad 1 or 2? I just borrowed a v1 and it's cool but a=20 bit on the noisy side - great interface tho. Gareth=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 23:36:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C3A73BF46; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050730233624.68129.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:36:24 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Which looper? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5A4D2678-57C5-437A-A8EB-316FD7D261D8@adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:36:25 +0000 (UTC) That's really a tough one. My advice to you is to start reading through the archives and check out the tools of the trade page on the LD website. I personally have owned a Gibson Echoplex, Electrix Repeater, Lexicon JamMan, Boss Gigadelay and a EH-16 reissue. The only two I've hung on to are the Gigadelay and the Repeater. (btw, the word on the street is the Repeater will be shipping again soon in a new version and it's about the same price as the EH-16) Other than that there's the Echoplex which is also an amazing tool, but expensive and not my style. Mark --- John Schur wrote: > Hi All > > New to the list and thinking about joining the > looper ranks. > I've researched several units including the Boss > Loop Station, the > DigiTech JamMan, and the Electro Harmonix 16 Sec. > Delay. I haven't > played any device so I'm open to any suggestions or > advive. My > intended use is strictly home studio; no live > performance; mostly > guitar, maybe some synth; no vocals. Thanks for any > advice, > > Regards > > John > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 30 23:42:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8626B3BF6E; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050730234214.35522.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:42:14 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: kp2 anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000401c59549$e6a76b10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Rainer is correct, as usual... but forgets to mention the fragile nature of the KP1. Mine died an early death and it more or less sat in a nice smoke free studio with light use. A quick search of newsgroups and you'll see that this was a common problem with the KP1. Save your pennies and get the KP2, you'll be happier, I think. Also, if you lean on them a little, Guitar Center employees will give it to you for $249. Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I have both the KP1 and the KP2. > > Advantages of the KP2: > * much better sound quality > * lots of effects that can be MIDI-synced > * two slots for short sample loops that can be used > independently of the effects > * Some synth patches > > Advantages of the KP1: > * early digital sound aesthetics > > I'd say for most applications the KP2 should be > preferred over the KP1. > If you're looking for some very characteristic > sound, then the way to go > is the KP1: while the KP2 is just a cheap effector > with a touchpad, the > KP1 has a very unique sound to it - I dearly love > the filter sound > (check out the tune "Hegel's Dilemma" on > eblah.iuma.com, where I use > both this filter as well as scratching a sample). > Another example of > using the sample-scratching feature (which both KPs > offer) is to be > found on the "Dem Andenken eines Engels: Epliogue" > track on > moinlabs.zed.cbc.ca. I actually played the KP1 with > my toes on this one. > > Both KPs also send MIDI CCs you can use e.g. to > control a Theremin synth > patch or something. > > There had been someone on this group who used a > setup including four > KP1. > > Summary: the cool thing about the KP is the > interface. It mostly > addresses keyboard players and DJs, as with these > instruments it's > relatively easy to get a hand free. People in the > audience usually think > the KP is really cool. > > Rainer > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: gareth.whitcock > [mailto:gareth.whitcock@ntlworld.com] > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2005 18:53 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: kp2 anyone? > > > Anyone using a kaoss pad 1 or 2? I just borrowed a > v1 and it's cool but > a > bit on the noisy side - great interface tho. > > > Gareth > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 31 00:05:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACBF03BF6F; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M5ZnXvB7V2oERdorBHCF+crw9u2xVafSrr85FiEYkS88npXdQpHZDQncNW0c3UADuGD2iy7Xj3saonPOg8LWNWmx5gkpkIz1SRIdQB5RZ4PBPLBwvPn+H0+k9k3VOiFMUkV+wIXHBxY3vSDC8SWVYxDR8zWq7PI9pTRDjtFXz5Y= ; Message-ID: <20050731000459.30201.qmail@web50511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:04:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: EDP controller chart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone ever seen a functionality grid for all the EDP controls like there is for Perameter? I'm looking for any kind of matrix/chart that shows what happens on a press, long press, or latency-period press of each button for each mode by perameter setting. I keeping making "new" discoveries that are probably in the documentation, but not in a form I've been able to absorb. And if it's in the archive somewhere I can't find it. I hope that something is out there that just I haven't found yet, in which case I'd love it if y'all could point me in the right direction. Thanks, as always! EXAMPLE: =================================================== | Record | Overdub | Multiply | (etc.) =================================================== Press | start | start | start | | record | overdub | mulitply | --------------------------------------------------- LongPress | clear | duration | same as | | loop | overdub | press | --------------------------------------------------- Record | stop, | clear | stop | | play | loop | multiply^| --------------------------------------------------- Overdub | stop, | stop | stop | | overdub | overdub | multiply*| --------------------------------------------------- Multiply | stop, | start | stop | | multiply | multiply*| multiply~| --------------------------------------------------- (etc.) *leaves in overdub mode on exit ^redefines cycle length to 1 ~multi-increase on addtional presses (loop IV) Sam Rogers One Mouth Band www.OneMouthBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 31 01:31:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D47D23BF6D; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ix5Ur/DygotwwczqDthzOYol4yWAsn9bKUqQlA+zzR+YyrawEkLgk83n7RfL3img; Message-ID: <410-22005703113757810@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:37:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9408ba9ea7cc4304b003e9d20bd8065fda7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.160.48 Resent-Message-ID: <_7Pe0C.A.81D.cnC7CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:31:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII You mean the kind of pseudo-verb kind of echo like Floyd used to use, especially on the Meddle album? ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: daniel stevenson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/30/2005 4:48:29 PM Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals greetings,the line6 dl4 multi~head setting is based on the roland RE~101 space echo,yea batteries too.it does a lot of cool cool stuff.great for live applications.if it made longer loops it would have it all... live long and prosper scary visionary... Legion wrote: I am looking for a good portable 'fake" spring reverb for live use. A small battery operated pedal would be ideal. I have used the Eh "Holy Grail" and liek it quite a bit but I am curious what else is out there. Also it does not run on batteries (not a deal breaker but I'd prefer to have the option of AC/battery). I know Boss has made a few reverb pedals with a spring setting and I know there are two other EH reverbs but I'm not sure if they're any more interesting or just more hype. I'm not so interested in hall or room reverbs as a good simulation of the classic spring reverb found in things like the Space echo, SynthiA, or arp 2600. A small older unit might be an option as well but I'm trying to avoid taking a 19" rack unit, a pedal on the floor is perfect. thanks for any/all help. -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

You mean the kind of pseudo-verb kind of echo like Floyd used to use, especially on the Meddle album?
~Tim
 
 
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greetings,the line6 dl4 multi~head setting is based on the roland RE~101 space echo,yea batteries  too.it does a lot of cool cool stuff.great for live applications.if it made longer loops it would have it all...    live long and prosper             scary visionary...

Legion <legion@helpwantedproductions.com> wrote:

I am looking for a good portable 'fake" spring reverb for live use. A
small battery operated pedal would be ideal. I have used the Eh "Holy
Grail" and liek it quite a bit but I am curious what else is out
there. Also it does not run on batteries (not a deal breaker but I'd
prefer to have the option of AC/battery).

I know Boss has made a few reverb pedals with a spring setting and I know
there are two other EH reverbs but I'm not sure if they're any more
interesting or just more hype. I'm not so interested in hall or room
reverbs as a good simulation of the classic spring reverb found in things
like the Space echo, SynthiA, or arp 2600. A small older unit might be an
option as well but I'm trying to avoid taking a 19" rack unit, a pedal on
the floor is perfect.

thanks for any/all help.



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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 31 01:33:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B08E83BF6C; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=UH9qgEbfoqP36E2D8nxkqVjE9T5WvncARe73wPJmJz2z5slbeZ2LYswJZUjjZ4TI; Message-ID: <410-22005703114022480@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:40:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940fd879f0fddb0de810bdd943a213653b1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.160.48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:33:29 +0000 (UTC) I have seen Dana plaay, and he is a force to be reckoned with. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 7/30/2005 10:41:44 AM > Subject: Re: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? > > yo b.....here is another one.....this issue of GUITAR PLAYER has a blurb on > DANA COLLEY, sax player with MORPHINE using a BOOMERANG....."To form chords, > Colley runs his sax through a BOOMERANG PHRASE SAMPLER, and adds harmonic > notes to his lines.".....he has a new group called TWINEMAN and the new cd is > called "SIDESHOW".....mic > p.s. that world famous trio KLUTTER uses BOOMERANG on all tunes, the song "ICH > BEIN KLUTTER" is an orgy of RANG-A-RIFIC sounds.....:) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 31 02:59:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0E6C3BF71; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:01:10 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Fake spring reverb pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006201c5957c$3e6c5ea0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ne6G3koYMze+Fgmn9IvADQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050730204827.71151.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:59:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Ne6G3koYMze+Fgmn9IvADQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Danelectro Spring King is MADE for kicking. Pretty good, too. I grew up using Ampeg amps (Reverb-o-rocket, Gemini I, II, and VI, etc.) and they had a reverb to die for. TO DIE FOR! I usta kick them all the time. Favorite use of reverb: Before Keith Emerson became the fake prog noodler with too many keyboards, too many notes, too many pairs of leather pants, and no edge, he had a little combo called The Nice. He used to have quite a time with a Hammond B-3, and there is an absolutely brilliant recording of him and the boys playing "America" by Lenny Bernstein on an album called Autumn to Spring. They're playing it live at the Fillmore East, and I know because I was there, all sixteen years of me. So anywaze here's reverb trick #1: The song has totally fallen apart, like nobody can even remember what they were playing... wild drum rolls, feedback, blocks of arm-on-keys chords, chaos. Then Keith kicks and rocks the bejeebies outa the organ, rattling the reverb pan like hell, except the reverb tab is OFF. Then, while he's pushing and shoving the organ, he grabs the reverb tab and taps out the duh-duh-duh, duh-duh-duh DUH DUH DUH rhythm of "America" like some kinda white noise Morse code. YEOW! (And of course the band kicks back in, but the song DOES NOT take the usual course and end in some triumphant closing cadence, but I know y'all will now FIND this great unhailed moment in live recording and find out just how it ends...) Reverb trick #2 is also employed by Mr. Emerson in the same song. He reaches into the guts of the Hammond and PLAYS the reverb springs like a bass guitar!!! This is one you can try at home with your own unit. Hours of enjoyment! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson --Boundary_(ID_Ne6G3koYMze+Fgmn9IvADQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Danelectro Spring King is MADE for kicking. Pretty good, too.
I grew up using Ampeg amps (Reverb-o-rocket, Gemini I, II, and VI, etc.) and they had a reverb to die for. TO DIE FOR! I usta kick them all the time.
Favorite use of reverb:
Before Keith Emerson became the fake prog noodler with too many keyboards, too many notes, too many pairs of leather pants, and no edge, he had a little combo called The Nice. He used to have quite a time with a Hammond B-3, and there is an absolutely brilliant recording of him and the boys playing "America" by Lenny Bernstein on an album called Autumn to Spring. They're playing it live at the Fillmore East, and I know because I was there, all sixteen years of me.
So anywaze here's reverb trick #1: The song has totally fallen apart, like nobody can even remember what they were playing... wild drum rolls, feedback, blocks of arm-on-keys chords, chaos. Then Keith kicks and rocks the bejeebies outa the organ, rattling the reverb pan like hell, except the reverb tab is OFF. Then, while he's pushing and shoving the organ, he grabs the reverb tab and  taps out the duh-duh-duh, duh-duh-duh DUH DUH DUH rhythm of "America" like some kinda white noise Morse code. YEOW! (And of course the band kicks back in, but the song DOES NOT take the usual course and end in some triumphant closing cadence, but I know y'all will now FIND this great unhailed moment in live recording and find out just how it ends...)
Reverb trick #2 is also employed by Mr. Emerson in the same song. He reaches into the guts of the Hammond and PLAYS the reverb springs like a bass guitar!!! This is one you can try at home with your own unit. Hours of enjoyment!
 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
--- Hunter S. Thompson
 

 
 
--Boundary_(ID_Ne6G3koYMze+Fgmn9IvADQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 31 07:19:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7192B3BF2E; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [62.255.52.64] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <20050730234214.35522.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: AW: kp2 anyone? Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:16:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <8auSo.A.Z8C.3tH7CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:19:19 +0000 (UTC) As ususal - a well informed set of opinions - the combined knowledge of this list is quite something. Thanks to all for your expetise Looks like I'll be using a kp2 at the Zurich loopfest - if I can get one in time! Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 31 08:02:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FAD43BF41; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:02:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: switching plugins with a foot controller Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <42EC93BB.28167.176FD1@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <237c138669f76bcef1e71ddd0dbcbf6b@gmx.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:02:55 +0000 (UTC) On 30 Jul 2005 at 9:25, nico spahni wrote: > I'm looking for a midi foot controller to control plugins (Mac OSX > Audio Units) in live performances. Bahringer FB1010 without a doubt. I use it for all kinds of things, including controlling my jamman - you can program all the useful functions onto a single bank. I played with a looper called Dan Mayfield ( see http://www.cambridge- loopfest.org.uk) who sang and strummed countless tracks into Ableton on a laptop, all controlled from the Behringer. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 31 09:23:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A38E13BF42; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: EDP controller chart Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:22:54 +0200 Message-ID: <011901c595b1$7197c910$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <20050731000459.30201.qmail@web50511.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Sam, Maybe we should form a party: http://loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200507/msg00029.html Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Rogers [mailto:onemouthband@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 31. Juli 2005 02:05 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: EDP controller chart > > Has anyone ever seen a functionality grid for all the EDP > controls like there is for Perameter? I'm looking for any > kind of matrix/chart that shows what happens on a press, > long press, or latency-period press of each button for each > mode by perameter setting. I keeping making "new" > discoveries that are probably in the documentation, but not > in a form I've been able to absorb. And if it's in the > archive somewhere I can't find it. I hope that something is > out there that just I haven't found yet, in which case I'd > love it if y'all could point me in the right direction. > Thanks, as always! > > EXAMPLE: > =================================================== > | Record | Overdub | Multiply | (etc.) > =================================================== > Press | start | start | start | > | record | overdub | mulitply | > --------------------------------------------------- > LongPress | clear | duration | same as | > | loop | overdub | press | > --------------------------------------------------- > Record | stop, | clear | stop | > | play | loop | multiply^| > --------------------------------------------------- > Overdub | stop, | stop | stop | > | overdub | overdub | multiply*| > --------------------------------------------------- > Multiply | stop, | start | stop | > | multiply | multiply*| multiply~| > --------------------------------------------------- > (etc.) > > *leaves in overdub mode on exit > ^redefines cycle length to 1 > ~multi-increase on addtional presses (loop IV) > > > Sam Rogers > One Mouth Band > www.OneMouthBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 31 14:00:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C295E3BF38; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HUb8fR5DmZEZ1BfwqB1vG6r/dXzUlSGmnX5F5PumG33s1qGg9Kaf0y9aFwv5UjjBCz8CdpQHUB9Q5lb8nAMw6Ynbb0newadeo02Pd1tgaK3+Vu3vNpZDwxxjgfoDqzLmMfo4xc1Y3Se9qSrn2G5+aOuZXEhGW7+RrxEYpkH8M8g= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:00:43 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digital Performer / Logic (was: Re: Drum-machine song construction tips? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <60674F50-332B-4FC3-9F25-D6D3CA8D385C@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Two tidbits about Logic: A friend of mine, who was a Logic user, once told me "Logic isn't". I just read that Peter Gabriel favors it over ProTools because years ago Logic would let you set the display color for audio selections to indicate verse/chorus/bridge and ProTools wouldn't. It's funny how small features can become very important in specific work environments. On 7/27/05, Kevin Goldsmith wrote: > Maybe once I > get over the hump it will become my main tool, but I think that isn't so > likely at the moment... >=20 > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 31 14:50:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37B563BF46; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: AW: kp2 anyone? Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:55:53 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000101c595df$f2f36450$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:50:48 +0000 (UTC) > As ususal - a well informed set of opinions - the combined > knowledge of this > list is quite something. > Thanks to all for your expetise Looks like I'll be using a > kp2 at the > Zurich loopfest - if I can get one in time! > > Gareth You're making the right call - the KP1 has a cool program or two which don't appear in the KP2 BUT the KP1 is definitely noisier. The KP2 has extended the functionality of the original and the FX Depth knob is a very significant addition to the unit. It also looks cooler... Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 31 19:53:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E41A53BF18; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=JeOsvj2a71qVQTCFkmtfA9In4/J2td4l9HNZUc0Spt4kpdGs7ws9dOGeiifml/v2mHXzGCNHFlzjSFdVFdLWz5tlfaNNku2ZEcYrQqWNziDItpOV5HgJEaEwhgWKddnuZw7zvpt1rzIvD/+q9ryn3n/sSj2z/+JYnAxVQyMeygc= ; Message-ID: <011e01c59609$93bf3160$c347c955@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <000101c595df$f2f36450$1602a8c0@studio> Subject: Re: AW: kp2 anyone? Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:53:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:53:55 +0000 (UTC) > The KP2 has extended the functionality of the original and the > FX Depth knob is a very significant addition to the unit. > It also looks cooler... And with 3, you'll look Eno-esque ;-) http://www.korg.com/sbytes/article.asp?ArtistID=155 Ben ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 31 22:05:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED57F3BF1B; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:04:59 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260FAA@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Thread-Index: AcWWG+SN3NPRVK9ORACfP03zR9EQlQ== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2005 22:05:00.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[E55CE140:01C5961B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:05:35 +0000 (UTC) We touched on this topic a few days ago, when someone had asked about being able to listen to each other loop over the internet, but I'd like to bring it up again since I am getting more serious about making this happen. On September 1, I start playing at a new venue called the Library Coffeehouse. It is an older house that was converted into a coffeehouse, but they preserved all its various rooms and loaded them with thousands of books. Hence, people can get their coffee or tea, and roam around the rooms sitting on couches and chairs, etc. The venue also has live music on Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays, which plays in one room, and they pipe the sound into speakers in all the other rooms. It's a really cool concept, and the best thing is that they have WI-FI internet access in the venue. =20 My goal at this venue is two-fold. First, I'm going to allows folks at the venue, who are on their computers, to provide real-time feedback to me and each other while I perform. I have a second laptop that I'll sit next to my performance laptop, which will have my Yahoo chat room up and running. I'll be able to read the feedback while I play and respond to it accordingly. I like this idea of making my performances interactive. Second, I want to take it even further. I also want to allow others, not at the venue, to access some tool or website and hear my performances, also given the opportunity to provide feedback. That way the local audience and virtual audience can interact together. =20 Does anyone know of a cost effective way to share real-time performances over the web? I tried the voice feature of my Yahoo Chat room , and it is atrocious. I can hear the music, but it is very choppy and at a low bit/frequency rate. You would think that with a fast internet and a laptop that there is some effective way to do this without costing a fortune or owning a remote server. What about Real Audio? Any free resources to pull this off? Bernhard/Rick - how did you guys stream our performances at Y2K4 last year? Kris =20