Re: Reason 3.0?

Yes, I have fixed a few adapters in my time that have just been handled too roughly too often. If you feel handy with a soldering iron, open up the adaptor, snip the wires going out to the barrel plug, cut them a bit shorter, strip and resolder them. Sometimes doing all this destroys the strain relief in the process though this can easily be retrofitted with rubber electricians tape (mo bettah than plastic electricians tape). Oh yeah, don't do this while the thing is plugged in kiddies... All this can usually be figured out before you even open the unit up if you just apply a voltage meter to the barrel while it's plugged in. Wiggle the wires around near the strain relief to see if you can pick up any stray intermittent voltage. Stephen

www.adrianwest.com

-----Original Message-----
From: todd reynolds=20 [mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 = 5:23=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 List-member todd reynolds on tour with ethel, joe jackson, todd = rundgren -=20 states and europe (link)

To all my friends on the list... =

I=92ll be=20 on tour for the next 12 weeks, hitting many cities of other list = members on=20 the Joe Jackson =96 Todd Rundgren solo tour featuring my band, Ethel.=20 Should any of you be checking out these concerts, please do let = me know,=20 I=92d love to put faces to names and hang out with any looping=20 colleagues...

Click on the link below for a press release and = full=20 dates if you scroll down to the bottom...

htt= p://www.noblepr.co.uk/Press_Releases/cantaloupe/ethel.htm

Also= =20 there are these links for more information...

http://www.ethelcentral.com
<= A=20 = href=3D"http://trconnection.com">http://trconnection.com

All=20 best,

Todd=20 Reynolds

------=_NextPart_000_0119_01C5440B.7695E070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 18 15:14:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3IJA8526527; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:10:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:10:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: List-member todd reynolds on tour Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:09:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcVERsMBYtkH5LbzSnO0t7ddhekLZgAAmt+A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050418190932.ZUET9923.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j3IJ9hx26385 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----> I tried it-- The link on the Ethel site worked for me-- Gary Lehmann Adrian West wrote: Todd, Being a fellow violinist and loopist I am interested in finding out more about Ethel, but I just tried to listen to the MP3s on your website and it didn't work. Also tried to link to the Indescribable Nth and that failed too. If you get these things working please let me know. Good luck on the tour. Adrian West www.adrianwest.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 18 15:33:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3IJRhv31225; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:27:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:27:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <62b2b64a04d6adf518147fb630dc5c95@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI footcontroller setup for the electrix repeater. Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:26:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j3IJR9x31059 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com let's see. the main steps: 1) GLOBAL SETUP: getting Repeater and FCB1010 talking on the same channel 2) FOOTSWITCH PROGRAMMING: make foot swtiches send the desired PC or CC numbers to the Repeater Do you have #1 under control? FCB default is channel 1, so that is the easiest way to go. just turn the knob on the back of the Repeater to channel 1. Or, is it the programming of the FCB that is the problem? If so, here's how you would setup a switch to RECORD (i'm going from memory here, not sitting in front of the pedal, so i hope i get it right!): - with Direct Select OFF (write to me if you don't know what this means, it's in your GLOBAL SETUP) on the FCB, select bank 00, patch 1 (it can be any patch you want, this is just an example) - You need to enter programming mode in order to change the message patch 1 is sending. To enter programming mode: hold down the DOWN arrow for a LONG PRESS few seconds until the display changes. - I should add here that the FCB is all about the LONG PRESS and the SHORT PRESS. The LONG PRESS is to turn things on and off. The SHORT PRESS is to modify settings. So again, to enter programming mode, a LONG PRESS on the DOWN arrow. - This part is confusing: worry about what it means later, just hit ENTER twice (with two SHORT PRESSES) - Now, the switches that are active will be lit. What does that mean? Each switch can send a different kind of message, the kind of message is written on them, in small print. (I think 1-5 are Program Change (PC). 6 and 7 are Control Change (CC). 0 is Note.). So, in your patch 1 you could theoretically send 5 PC messages, 2 CC messages, 1 Note, set the parameters for the Expression pedals, etc. We're just going to send a single PC message right now. Start simple and add more messages once you know what you're doing. - Now is the time to look at the Repeater manual. Find the midi CC or PC number for the thing you want to d. There is a table in the back. -For most things you can send either a CC or PC message. Remember that the PC numbers listed in the Repeater manual are one digit off (write them out now so you don't get confused!). So the manual says RECORD is 3. It is really 4. You need to send PC = 4 to make the Repeater start/stop recording. - I always send PC numbers when I can. I do this because there are more of them on the FCB and I can save the two CC swtiches for something else. - Anyway, the currently active switches are red. Identify the switches you want. You want to send a PC message. So find a switch that says Program Change on it. Turn off the ones you don't need by pressing them with a LONG PRESS.( i.e. hold them down until they turn off). Turn them on with a long press. - Now that you have the switch you want illuminated you need to tell it what value to send. So, to modify the switch value give it a SHORT PRESS. It should flash. It will keep flashing until you hit ENTER. the LCD should tell you what the value is. To make this PC switch tell the Repeater to start recording, this value should be 04. Type in the numbers 04. Hit ENTER. - You're done with this single switch! -Now you need to get out of Programming Mode. To do that, give the DOWN arrow a nice LONG PRESS. - Test it out. Again, I'm not sitting near my equipment right now, so I hope I got all the details... On Apr 17, 2005, at 8:06 AM, Garrett Petters wrote: > maybe I'm reading the manual wrong , but I can not seem to grasp the > genral idea behind programing the FCB1010 to operate the repeater. Can > someone please , in great detail , go over how you enter and setup the > footcontroller. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, > Garrett P > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 18 16:52:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3IKlrl14460; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:47:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:47:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.202.251] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: tc electronics 1140 or furman pq-3, furman pq-4 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:46:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2005 20:46:20.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD1D0190:01C54457] Resent-Message-ID: <-qVMeC.A.qdD.jyBZCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wish I'd held onto my old PQ-3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 18 19:35:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3INWbF14840; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:32:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:32:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:31:39 EDT Subject: Loop Station, DD-20 or Line6 DL4? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1113867099" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Resent-Message-ID: <0kyo0C.A.emD.mNEZCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1113867099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First a little about what I want to do. I'm a keyboard player and for the past few months I've decided that I could benefit from real time looping in live performance. I have always been able to make interesting solo music without sequencing or looping in the past. However, I think that I would like to add another dimension. What I wish to do is lay down basslines and rhythmic chord progressions and solo over them. That's pretty much what you all do, right? You just primarily use guitars to do it. Anyway, to get my feet wet, I'm looking for an entry level device that I can control with my feet. I think that I've narrowed it down to these three units: Boss Loop Station RC-20 or RC-20XL Boss DD-20 Line6 DL4. I had considered the Headrush but discounted it as just not enough for what I want to get done. Having stereo capability would be a great help and in that respect the DD-20 is in the running. The sheer length offered by the Loop Stations intrigues me, however, I don't know if I even need such long looping capabilities yet. The price of all these pedals is within my budget (if only just). Even though I can find a lot of information concerning the Loop Station and the DL4 (even video demos) there's really not a whole lot of online info where the DD-20 is concerned. At least not when used exclusively for looping. I've searched the archives here on Looper's Delight and found only sparse references to the DD-20, so I decided to get proactive and make this post. Thanks in advance for all the help I'm sure that I'll get. Carl -------------------------------1113867099 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

First a little about what I want to do.

I'm a keyboard player and for the past few months I've decided that I c= ould=20 benefit from real time looping in live performance.

I have always been able to make interesting solo music without sequenci= ng=20 or looping in the past. However, I think that I would like to add another=20 dimension. What I wish to do is lay down basslines and rhythmic chord=20 progressions and solo over them.

That's pretty much what you all do, right? You just primarily use guita= rs=20 to do it.

Anyway, to get my feet wet, I'm looking for an entry level device that=20= I=20 can control with my feet. I think that I've narrowed it down to these three=20 units:

Boss Loop Station RC-20 or RC-20XL

Boss DD-20

Line6 DL4.

I had considered the Headrush but discounted it as just not enough for=20= what=20 I want to get done.

Having stereo capability would be a great help and in that respect the=20 DD-20 is in the running.

The sheer length offered by the Loop Stations intrigues me, however, I=20 don't know if I even need such long looping capabilities yet.

The price of all these pedals is within my budget (if only ju= st).=20

Even though I can find a lot of information concerning the Loop Station= and=20 the DL4 (even video demos) there's really not a whole lot of online info whe= re=20 the DD-20 is concerned. At least not when used exclusively for looping.

I've searched the archives here on Looper's Delight and found only spar= se=20 references to the DD-20, so I decided to get proactive and make this post.=20

Thanks in advance for all the help I'm sure that I'll get.

Carl

-------------------------------1113867099-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 18 19:46:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3INhgx16682; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:43:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:43:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:43:18 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: re: List-member todd reynolds on tour with ethel, joe jackson, todd rundgren - states and europe (link) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42644616.40107@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: <4v0kOB.A.OEE.bYEZCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congrats Todd! What a great opportunity. I was hoping to see the show at the Beacon Theater next week in New York this month - but it's been sold out for weeks.... Please share any road stories you'd care to when you've got a chance. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 18 20:10:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3J07PD21121; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:07:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:07:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050419000615.22742.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Loop Station, DD-20 or Line6 DL4? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5Y2lID.A.BIF.9tEZCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I say get the DD-20 as it's the only one of those devices that does stereo looping (I loop a lot of keyboards and my guitars all run through stereo effects) AND gives you the ability to control the amound of feedback. This is key for long morphing loops. Mark --- RobotFan@aol.com wrote: > First a little about what I want to do. > > I'm a keyboard player and for the past few months > I've decided that I could > benefit from real time looping in live performance. > > I have always been able to make interesting solo > music without sequencing or > looping in the past. However, I think that I would > like to add another > dimension. What I wish to do is lay down basslines > and rhythmic chord progressions > and solo over them. > > That's pretty much what you all do, right? You just > primarily use guitars to > do it. > > Anyway, to get my feet wet, I'm looking for an entry > level device that I can > control with my feet. I think that I've narrowed it > down to these three > units: > > Boss Loop Station RC-20 or RC-20XL > Boss DD-20 > Line6 DL4. > > I had considered the Headrush but discounted it as > just not enough for what > I want to get done. > > Having stereo capability would be a great help and > in that respect the DD-20 > is in the running. > > The sheer length offered by the Loop Stations > intrigues me, however, I don't > know if I even need such long looping capabilities > yet. > > The price of all these pedals is within my budget > (if only just). > > Even though I can find a lot of information > concerning the Loop Station and > the DL4 (even video demos) there's really not a > whole lot of online info where > the DD-20 is concerned. At least not when used > exclusively for looping. > > I've searched the archives here on Looper's Delight > and found only sparse > references to the DD-20, so I decided to get > proactive and make this post. > > Thanks in advance for all the help I'm sure that > I'll get. > > Carl > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 18 20:13:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3J0BCQ21974; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:11:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:11:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:10:04 EDT Subject: Re: Loop Station, DD-20 or Line6 DL4? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1113869403" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1113869403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/18/2005 8:07:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes: I say get the DD-20 as it's the only one of those devices that does stereo looping (I loop a lot of keyboards and my guitars all run through stereo effects) AND gives you the ability to control the amound of feedback. This is key for long morphing loops. Mark I thought that the RC-20XL gives you control over feedback too. Have you actually used the DD-20? It is the cheapest and therefore has a lot of charm for me. Carl -------------------------------1113869403 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 4/18/2005 8:07:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>I say=20 get the DD-20 as it's the only one of those
devices that does stereo=20 looping (I loop a lot of
keyboards and my guitars all run through=20 stereo
effects) AND gives you the ability to control the
amound of=20 feedback. This is key for long=20 morphing
loops.

Mark

I thought that the RC-20XL gives you control over feedback too.

Have you actually used the DD-20? It is the cheapest and therefore has=20= a=20 lot of charm for me.

Carl

-------------------------------1113869403-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 18 20:49:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3J0k8Z28854; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:46:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:46:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:45:29 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI footcontroller setup for the electrix repeater. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <426454A9.8050000@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm no expert, but have the basics set up. Once you get the concept - setting up the basic transport thing isn't that hard at all. Better said, you'll find many aspects of a complete midi rig to be way more confusing . And I should also say that there are some commands that I have not been successful at programming in - YMMV. I'll run through a quick example. I'm assuming you have the two devices MIDI'd up, and both set to talk on ch 1 as a default Start with the Repeater Manual and note the commands you wanto program and the corresponding CC number - Record (CC86), Play (CC85), Stop(CC87), Undo(CC89), Erase Loop(108). I've got one of the CC pedals set to control the feedback level(CC11) for each button in the bank, too. The FCB1010 has two different ways to control different types of midi instruments. For some instruments you would want to select a patch with each button (called 'Direct Select'), but in the case of a guitar effects box, the buttons turn or turn off a particular effect (Direct Select Off). This is the mode you'd use to control the Repeater. Go through the section in the FCB1010 manual to make this setting. For some applications the FCB1010 will also allow you to program the same button to toggle an effect on or off, and you program the CNT1 and CNT2 buttons to the same CC number, but sending values 0 for CNT1 and 127 for CNT2 . I don't think this applies to the repeater, so you generally don't need to set the CNT2 button to send anything. You'll set CNT1 for each button in the bank. I have the 'zero' bank dedicated to the Repeater. So for example, let's set the 'record' button, (I'm using button #2). You first select the bank(0) with the Up/Down buttons, and then the button in the bank that you wish to assign. You go into edit mode by holding down the 'Down' button. Tap the 'Up' button to confirm. when the switch 2 light is blinking. Tap the CNT1 button (pad number 6) until it blinks or hold it down until it's blinking, then tap 'Up' , to start the sequence of steps for setting CNT1. You want to send CC number 87, and send a value between 64 and 127 (I usually use 127). So tap 0-8-7. then 'Up'. Now Tap 1-2-7. Tap 'Up' For this example, save now by pressing and holding down the 'Down' button.. That's pretty much it. Button 2 should now start the repeater recording . You should next go back and set pedal 1 or pedal 2 to send CC11 and set the range between 0 and 127. My setup assigns: button 1=stop, button 2= play, button 3=record, button 4=undo, button 5 = tap tempo, and button 6=erase loop... kinda like a tape transport with some additional commands... I'll apologize in advance if these instructions aren't helpful - I found that it took a day or two scratching my head to get the concept, and it helps to have the manual open to the appendix with all the CC mappings. Good luck! Dan Ash White Plains, NY For example select the #2 butt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 19 07:26:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3JBNGQ17723; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:23:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:23:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:22:24 EDT Subject: Any work done with the Boss DD-20? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1113909744" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1113909744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone posted any mp3s or anything that uses the Boss DD-20 as the looper? I would like to hear what loopers have been able to accomplish with this little toy. A video would be even better but any demonstration of the looping capabilities of the DD-20 would be most appreciated. Thanks, Carl -------------------------------1113909744 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Has anyone posted any mp3s or anything that uses the Boss DD-20 as the=20 looper?

I would like to hear what loopers have been able to accomplish with thi= s=20 little toy. A video would be even better but any demonstration of the loopin= g=20 capabilities of the DD-20 would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

Carl

-------------------------------1113909744-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 19 12:09:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3JG26T12085; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:02:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:02:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:01:11 EDT Subject: Re: Any work done with the Boss DD-20? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c4.258f8247.2f968547_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c4.258f8247.2f968547_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carl, I played at last years Y2K4 fest in Santa Cruz with a pair of them and have=20 done a couple of other gigs with them as well. While I was not happy with my= =20 own performance at Y2K4 I was fairly happy with the Boss pedals themselves.=20 Unless someone has recorded my set I have no MP3s to refer you to (I'm not s= ure=20 they'd help anyway). Sorry. At one point I owned 3 of these things. I ordina= rily=20 use a pair of Oberheim Echoplexes in a large rack setup. I started using=20 multiple DD-20s to simulate some of the complex layering and multiplying and= =20 "glitching" you can do with the EDP when I didn't want to tote my whole rack= to a=20 venue.=20 The pedals are lightweight, convenient and tough as nails. Plus, the=20 programmable timing settings on them are amazingly accurate (hardly any drif= t between=20 them when you are running more than one). Essentially I had one set for shor= t=20 delays, another for long delays and another for reverse and some of the othe= r=20 weird "modes" it has. They all synched perfectly -- to my ears at least. Jus= t=20 set up the long delays so that they are mathematical multiples of the shorte= r=20 ones in the LED display. Anywho, I am back down to just one DD-20 now. I've=20 figured out more convenient ways to take my EDPs "on the road" so I sold off= two=20 of them to buy other "toys." I've not touched the DD-20 in over six months. I haven't decided if the last= =20 remaining one is something I should hang on to (for it's convenience and=20 portability) or sell off to acquire some other gadget I'd use more often. Si= nce=20 it's battery operable it might be a kick to take it (and a pignose amp or=20 something) camping in the woods this summer. I dunno. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_c4.258f8247.2f968547_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carl,

I played at last years Y2K4 fest in Santa Cruz with a pair of them and have=20= done a couple of other gigs with them as well. While I was not happy with my= own performance at Y2K4 I was fairly happy with the Boss pedals themselves.= Unless someone has recorded my set I have no MP3s to refer you to (I'm not=20= sure they'd help anyway). Sorry. At one point I owned 3 of these things. I o= rdinarily use a pair of Oberheim Echoplexes in a large rack setup. I started= using multiple DD-20s to simulate some of the complex layering and multiply= ing and "glitching" you can do with the EDP when I didn't want to tote my wh= ole rack to a venue.

The pedals are lightweight, convenient and tough as nails. Plus, the program= mable timing settings on them are amazingly accurate (hardly any drift betwe= en them when you are running more than one). Essentially I had one set for s= hort delays, another for long delays and another for reverse and some of the= other weird "modes" it has. They all synched perfectly -- to my ears at lea= st. Just set up the long delays so that they are mathematical multiples of t= he shorter ones in the LED display. Anywho, I am back down to just one DD-20= now. I've figured out more convenient ways to take my EDPs "on the road" so= I sold off two of them to buy other "toys."

I've not touched the DD-20 in over six months. I haven't decided if the last= remaining one is something I should hang on to (for it's convenience and po= rtability) or sell off to acquire some other gadget I'd use more often. Sinc= e it's battery operable it might be a kick to take it (and a pignose amp or=20= something) camping in the woods this summer. I dunno.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."

--part1_c4.258f8247.2f968547_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 19 13:04:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3JGxRc26421; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:59:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:59:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: <1d7.3ae11a72.2f9692cf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:58:55 EDT Subject: Re: Any work done with the Boss DD-20? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1113929935" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1113929935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 In a message dated 4/19/2005 12:02:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: Carl, I played at last years Y2K4 fest in Santa Cruz with a pair of them and have= =20 done a couple of other gigs with them as well. While I was not happy with m= y=20 own performance at Y2K4 I was fairly happy with the Boss pedals themselves.= =20 Unless someone has recorded my set I have no MP3s to refer you to (I'm not=20 sure they'd help anyway). Sorry. At one point I owned 3 of these things. I=20 ordinarily use a pair of Oberheim Echoplexes in a large rack setup. I start= ed=20 using multiple DD-20s to simulate some of the complex layering and multiply= ing=20 and "glitching" you can do with the EDP when I didn't want to tote my whole= =20 rack to a venue.=20 The pedals are lightweight, convenient and tough as nails. Plus, the=20 programmable timing settings on them are amazingly accurate (hardly any dri= ft=20 between them when you are running more than one). Essentially I had one set= for=20 short delays, another for long delays and another for reverse and some of t= he=20 other weird "modes" it has. They all synched perfectly -- to my ears at lea= st.=20 Just set up the long delays so that they are mathematical multiples of the=20 shorter ones in the LED display. Anywho, I am back down to just one DD-20 n= ow.=20 I've figured out more convenient ways to take my EDPs "on the road" so I so= ld=20 off two of them to buy other "toys." I've not touched the DD-20 in over six months. I haven't decided if the las= t=20 remaining one is something I should hang on to (for it's convenience and=20 portability) or sell off to acquire some other gadget I'd use more often. S= ince=20 it's battery operable it might be a kick to take it (and a pignose amp or=20 something) camping in the woods this summer. I dunno. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn Thanks very much for the response. I'm torn between the Boss DD-20 and the =20 Boss Loop Station(s).=20 =20 It would be very nice to have stereo, but the Loop Station seems to be much=20= =20 more of a looper (the DD-20 has looping as more of an afterthought, yes?). =20 All help is appreciated in this. =20 Carl -------------------------------1113929935 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 4/19/2005 12:02:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Carl,

I played at last years Y2K4 fest in Sant= a Cruz=20 with a pair of them and have done a couple of other gigs with them as well= .=20 While I was not happy with my own performance at Y2K4 I was fairly happy w= ith=20 the Boss pedals themselves. Unless someone has recorded my set I have no M= P3s=20 to refer you to (I'm not sure they'd help anyway). Sorry. At one point I o= wned=20 3 of these things. I ordinarily use a pair of Oberheim Echoplexes in a lar= ge=20 rack setup. I started using multiple DD-20s to simulate some of the comple= x=20 layering and multiplying and "glitching" you can do with the EDP when I di= dn't=20 want to tote my whole rack to a venue.

The pedals are lightweight,= =20 convenient and tough as nails. Plus, the programmable timing settings on t= hem=20 are amazingly accurate (hardly any drift between them when you are running= =20 more than one). Essentially I had one set for short delays, another for lo= ng=20 delays and another for reverse and some of the other weird "modes" it has.= =20 They all synched perfectly -- to my ears at least. Just set up the long de= lays=20 so that they are mathematical multiples of the shorter ones in the LED=20 display. Anywho, I am back down to just one DD-20 now. I've figured out mo= re=20 convenient ways to take my EDPs "on the road" so I sold off two of them to= buy=20 other "toys."

I've not touched the DD-20 in over six months. I have= n't=20 decided if the last remaining one is something I should hang on to (for it= 's=20 convenience and portability) or sell off to acquire some other gadget I'd=20= use=20 more often. Since it's battery operable it might be a kick to take it (and= a=20 pignose amp or something) camping in the woods this summer. I=20 dunno.

Best regards,

tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn

Thanks very much for the response. I'm torn between the Boss DD-20 and=20= the=20 Boss Loop Station(s).

It would be very nice to have stereo, but the Loop Station seems to be=20= much=20 more of a looper (the DD-20 has looping as more of an afterthought, yes?).

All help is appreciated in this.

Carl

-------------------------------1113929935-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 19 13:14:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3JH7oK28404; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:07:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:07:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:06:14 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Boss DD-20 To: RobotFan@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006801c54502$68fa1c40$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_yBTKe7eVU+LXNbJ0sNF49w)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_yBTKe7eVU+LXNbJ0sNF49w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT It just so happens that I've been collecting my notes on the DD-20 in order to add a description to the Loopers Delight web site gear list, a.k.a. "Tools Of The Trade." I will try to post this in the next 24 hours to give folks like yourself a better idea of what this little off-white, bi-pedaled monster can do. In fact, just last night I tried the rather perverse trick of setting the delay type to "pan" (which alternates the output in a hard-left-hard-right fashion) and sending one of the outputs directly back into the input. Sorry, cats and kittens, but no mondo squeal, glitchy artifacts or waves of chip-frying feedback - just a bit of added ringy resonance. No big whoop. But man, the DD-20 is one fine little looper. dB, coyote --Boundary_(ID_yBTKe7eVU+LXNbJ0sNF49w) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

It just so happens that I've been collecting my notes on the DD-20 in order to add a description to the Loopers Delight web site gear list, a.k.a. "Tools Of The Trade." I will try to post this in the next 24 hours to give folks like yourself a better idea of what this little off-white, bi-pedaled monster can do.

In fact, just last night I tried the rather perverse trick of setting the delay type to "pan" (which alternates the output in a hard-left-hard-right fashion) and sending one of the outputs directly back into the input. Sorry, cats and kittens, but no mondo squeal, glitchy artifacts or waves of chip-frying feedback - just a bit of added ringy resonance. No big whoop. But man, the DD-20 is one fine little looper.

dB, coyote

--Boundary_(ID_yBTKe7eVU+LXNbJ0sNF49w)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 19 13:54:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3JHmaB04404; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:48:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:48:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.3b071493.2f969e0c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:46:52 EDT Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1113932811" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Resent-Message-ID: <3OGnCB.A.HAB.eQUZCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1113932811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/19/2005 1:07:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, coyotelk@optonline.net writes: It just so happens that I've been collecting my notes on the DD-20 in order to add a description to the Loopers Delight web site gear list, a.k.a. "Tools Of The Trade." I will try to post this in the next 24 hours to give folks like yourself a better idea of what this little off-white, bi-pedaled monster can do. In fact, just last night I tried the rather perverse trick of setting the delay type to "pan" (which alternates the output in a hard-left-hard-right fashion) and sending one of the outputs directly back into the input. Sorry, cats and kittens, but no mondo squeal, glitchy artifacts or waves of chip-frying feedback - just a bit of added ringy resonance. No big whoop. But man, the DD-20 is one fine little looper. dB, coyote That would be much appreciated (by me at least)! So, how does it compare to the RC-20 (and 20XL) in a side by side shoot out? Carl -------------------------------1113932811 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 4/19/2005 1:07:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 coyotelk@optonline.net writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>

It just so happens that I've been=20 collecting my notes on the DD-20 in order to add a description to the Loop= ers=20 Delight web site gear list, a.k.a. "Tools Of The Trade." I will try to pos= t=20 this in the next 24 hours to give folks like yourself a better idea of wha= t=20 this little off-white, bi-pedaled monster can do.

In fact, just last night I tried the= =20 rather perverse trick of setting the delay type to "pan" (which alternates= the=20 output in a hard-left-hard-right fashion) and sending one of the outputs=20 directly back into the input. Sorry, cats and kittens, but no mondo squeal= ,=20 glitchy artifacts or waves of chip-frying feedback - just a bit of added r= ingy=20 resonance. No big whoop. But man, the DD-20 is one fine little=20 looper.

dB,=20 coyote

That would be much appreciated (by me at least)!

So, how does it compare to the RC-20 (and 20XL) in a side by side shoot= =20 out?

Carl

-------------------------------1113932811-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 19 13:57:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3JHrAm05718; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:53:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:53:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050419175223.39548.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:52:23 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Loop Station, DD-20 or Line6 DL4? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do have one. I honestly can't say anything about the RC-20xl, as I've never owned one, but I know the first RC-20 didn't have any feedback control and therefore made it useless to me for the way I like to work. Perhaps one of each might be the way to go. ;) ...or treat yourself to a Repeater! I hear new ones are on the way. Perhaps an Echoplex. Why hold back? Mark --- RobotFan@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/18/2005 8:07:43 P.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, > marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes: > > I say get the DD-20 as it's the only one of those > devices that does stereo looping (I loop a lot of > keyboards and my guitars all run through stereo > effects) AND gives you the ability to control the > amound of feedback. This is key for long morphing > loops. > > Mark > > > I thought that the RC-20XL gives you control over > feedback too. > > Have you actually used the DD-20? It is the cheapest > and therefore has a lot > of charm for me. > > Carl > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 19 14:05:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3JHsoY06119; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:54:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:54:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1f6.8174c74.2f969fc2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:54:10 EDT Subject: Re: Any work done with the Boss DD-20? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f6.8174c74.2f969fc2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1f6.8174c74.2f969fc2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carl, In a message dated 04/19/05 9:59:34, RobotFan@aol.com writes: > It would be very nice to have stereo, but the Loop Station seems to be muc= h=20 > more of a looper (the DD-20 has looping as more of an afterthought, yes?). >=20 I would rephrase it more like this: The Loop Station was designed with ONLY basic looping in mind. It also lacks= =20 the feedback control of a traditional delay so it is impossible to gradually= =20 fade out old material while still adding new licks. But, you can also store=20 loops too (which is pretty darn nice). The GigaDelay is designed as a traditional delay that can do several things,= =20 looping included. Not an afterthough -- just one of the tricks in it's bag.=20 What it lacks is the long delay time of the Loopstation and its loop storeag= e=20 abilities mostly. Neither device was a total design success in my opinion. The lack of feedbac= k=20 control on the former was an unforgiveable mistake and a real disapointment.= =20 I owned an RC-20 and traded it in on my first DD-20 withing a very short=20 period. Also, the stunted maximum delay time (at an indivisible prime number= of 23=20 seconds) of the later was an assinine blunder at best. If it was only a seco= nd=20 longer at 24 it could at least be evenly divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, or 8=20 allowing easier setup of multiple layers of short and long loops. I'l explai= n . .=20 . The one really neat trick of the DD-20 is it's ability to set up one delay i= n=20 a preset bank (say one second at 98% feedback) and another (at say at sixtee= n=20 seconds with 100% feedback). You can start playing on the first delay seting= =20 up a rhythmic figure with a one beat-per-second pace and when you step/switc= h=20 to the next bank with the longer delay (we're still talking about just one=20 DD-20 mind you) the shorter delay KEEPS repeating what was last played into=20= it=20 just as long as the feedback will allow it to go. This shorter delay can act= as=20 a rhythmic guide to set up a sixteen beat (4/4, four-bar) phrase in the seco= nd=20 longer delay. Get it? Plus, you don't have to stick with even numbers. You=20 can do it in fives or threes or sevens -- you just have to do the math and h= ope=20 that the rather limited digital readout will do enough decimals.=20 The DD-20 has five memory banks/slots that you can store delay settings to=20 and step/switch through in series. This is pretty darn cool if you ask me. I= t=20 will also do tap-tempo stuff if you don't want to play to a numerically pres= et=20 delay time. It's just a little harder to make it all work with multiple peda= ls=20 if you do though. Another caveat: the manual was a little hard for me to=20 figure out at first. I had no end of grief trying to figure it out. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1f6.8174c74.2f969fc2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carl,

In a message dated 04/19/05 9:59:34, RobotFan@aol.com writes:

It would be very nice=20= to have stereo, but the Loop Station seems to be much more of a looper (the=20= DD-20 has looping as more of an afterthought, yes?).

I would rephrase it more like this:

The Loop Station was designed with ONLY basic looping in mind. It= also lacks the feedback control of a traditional delay so it is impossible=20= to gradually fade out old material while still adding new licks. But, you ca= n also store loops too (which is pretty darn nice).

The GigaDelay is designed as a traditional delay that can do several th= ings, looping included. Not an afterthough -- just one of the tricks i= n it's bag. What it lacks is the long delay time of the Loopstation and its=20= loop storeage abilities mostly.

Neither device was a total design success in my opinion. The lack= of feedback control on the former was an unforgiveable mistake and a real d= isapointment. I owned an RC-20 and traded it in on my first DD-20 withing a=20= very short period. Also, the stunted maximum delay time (at an indivisible p= rime number of 23 seconds) of the later was an assinine blunder at best. If=20= it was only a second longer at 24 it could at least be evenly divisible by 1= , 2, 3, 4, 6, or 8 allowing easier setup of multiple layers of short and lon= g loops. I'l explain . . .

The one really neat trick of the DD-20 is it's ability to set up one delay i= n a preset bank (say one second at 98% feedback) and another (at say at sixt= een seconds with 100% feedback). You can start playing on the first delay se= ting up a rhythmic figure with a one beat-per-second pace and when you step/= switch to the next bank with the longer delay (we're still talking about jus= t one DD-20 mind you) the shorter delay KEEPS repeating what was last played= into it just as long as the feedback will allow it to go. This shorter dela= y can act as a rhythmic guide to set up a sixteen beat (4/4, four-bar) phras= e in the second longer delay. Get it? Plus, you don't have to stick with eve= n numbers. You can do it in fives or threes or sevens -- you just have to do= the math and hope that the rather limited digital readout will do enough de= cimals.

The DD-20 has five memory banks/slots that you can store delay settings to a= nd step/switch through in series. This is pretty darn cool if you ask me. It= will also do tap-tempo stuff if you don't want to play to a numerically pre= set delay time. It's just a little harder to make it all work with multiple=20= pedals if you do though. Another caveat: the manual was a little hard for me= to figure out at first. I had no end of grief trying to figure it out.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
--part1_1f6.8174c74.2f969fc2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 19 14:21:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3JIAH811781; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:10:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:10:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050419180840.47028.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Any work done with the Boss DD-20? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also, if you're thinking of getting your feet wet in looping and you don't want to drop a bunch of cash, perhaps consider software? There are a few really good ones out now I hear, though I only have experience with Agustus Loop (for mac OSX) I've used it with Digital Performer 4 with a MOTU 828 as my interface. If you're already doing digital HD recording it might be a good way to start looping cheaply. Mark --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Carl, > > In a message dated 04/19/05 9:59:34, > RobotFan@aol.com writes: > > > It would be very nice to have stereo, but the Loop > Station seems to be much > > more of a looper (the DD-20 has looping as more of > an afterthought, yes?). > > > I would rephrase it more like this: > > The Loop Station was designed with ONLY basic > looping in mind. It also lacks > the feedback control of a traditional delay so it is > impossible to gradually > fade out old material while still adding new licks. > But, you can also store > loops too (which is pretty darn nice). > > The GigaDelay is designed as a traditional delay > that can do several things, > looping included. Not an afterthough -- just one of > the tricks in it's bag. > What it lacks is the long delay time of the > Loopstation and its loop storeage > abilities mostly. > > Neither device was a total design success in my > opinion. The lack of feedback > control on the former was an unforgiveable mistake > and a real disapointment. > I owned an RC-20 and traded it in on my first DD-20 > withing a very short > period. Also, the stunted maximum delay time (at an > indivisible prime number of 23 > seconds) of the later was an assinine blunder at > best. If it was only a second > longer at 24 it could at least be evenly divisible > by 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, or 8 > allowing easier setup of multiple layers of short > and long loops. I'l explain . . > . > > The one really neat trick of the DD-20 is it's > ability to set up one delay in > a preset bank (say one second at 98% feedback) and > another (at say at sixteen > seconds with 100% feedback). You can start playing > on the first delay seting > up a rhythmic figure with a one beat-per-second pace > and when you step/switch > to the next bank with the longer delay (we're still > talking about just one > DD-20 mind you) the shorter delay KEEPS repeating > what was last played into it > just as long as the feedback will allow it to go. > This shorter delay can act as > a rhythmic guide to set up a sixteen beat (4/4, > four-bar) phrase in the second > longer delay. Get it? Plus, you don't have to stick > with even numbers. You > can do it in fives or threes or sevens -- you just > have to do the math and hope > that the rather limited digital readout will do > enough decimals. > > The DD-20 has five memory banks/slots that you can > store delay settings to > and step/switch through in series. This is pretty > darn cool if you ask me. It > will also do tap-tempo stuff if you don't want to > play to a numerically preset > delay time. It's just a little harder to make it all > work with multiple pedals > if you do though. Another caveat: the manual was a > little hard for me to > figure out at first. I had no end of grief trying to > figure it out. > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean > you're an artist." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 19 14:26:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3JIHYA13334; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:17:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:17:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: <127.5a93604b.2f96a518@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:16:56 EDT Subject: Re: Any work done with the Boss DD-20? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1113934616" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Resent-Message-ID: <8ZWDTB.A.KPD.lsUZCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1113934616 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/19/2005 2:10:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes: Also, if you're thinking of getting your feet wet in looping and you don't want to drop a bunch of cash, perhaps consider software? There are a few really good ones out now I hear, though I only have experience with Agustus Loop (for mac OSX) I've used it with Digital Performer 4 with a MOTU 828 as my interface. If you're already doing digital HD recording it might be a good way to start looping cheaply. Mark I'm only interested in looping for live performance. I don't wish to take any computers with me to gigs and so, well there you have it. Carl -------------------------------1113934616 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 4/19/2005 2:10:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Also, if=20 you're thinking of getting your feet wet in
looping and you don't want=20= to=20 drop a bunch of cash,
perhaps consider software? There are a few=20 really
good ones out now I hear, though I only have
experience with=20 Agustus Loop (for mac OSX) I've used
it with Digital Performer 4=20= with=20 a MOTU 828 as my
interface. If you're already doing digital=20 HD
recording it might be a good way to start=20 looping
cheaply.

Mark

I'm only interested in looping for live performance. I don't wish to ta= ke=20 any computers with me to gigs and so, well there you have it.

Carl

-------------------------------1113934616-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 19 14:26:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3JIM8K14508; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:22:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:22:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: <1d7.3ae2fe54.2f96a5c5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:19:49 EDT Subject: Re: Any work done with the Boss DD-20? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1113934789" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1113934789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 In a message dated 4/19/2005 1:55:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: Carl, In a message dated 04/19/05 9:59:34, RobotFan@aol.com writes: It would be very nice to have stereo, but the Loop Station seems to be much= =20 more of a looper (the DD-20 has looping as more of an afterthought, yes?). I would rephrase it more like this: The Loop Station was designed with ONLY basic looping in mind. It also=20 lacks the feedback control of a traditional delay so it is impossible to =20 gradually fade out old material while still adding new licks. But, you can =20= also store=20 loops too (which is pretty darn nice). The GigaDelay is designed as a traditional delay that can do several things= ,=20 looping included. Not an afterthough -- just one of the tricks in it's bag= .=20 What it lacks is the long delay time of the Loopstation and its loop=20 storeage abilities mostly. Neither device was a total design success in my opinion. The lack of=20 feedback control on the former was an unforgiveable mistake and a real =20 disapointment. I owned an RC-20 and traded it in on my first DD-20 withing a= very short=20 period. Also, the stunted maximum delay time (at an indivisible prime numbe= r=20 of 23 seconds) of the later was an assinine blunder at best. If it was only= a=20 second longer at 24 it could at least be evenly divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, 6,= =20 or 8 allowing easier setup of multiple layers of short and long loops. I'l=20 explain . . . The one really neat trick of the DD-20 is it's ability to set up one delay=20 in a preset bank (say one second at 98% feedback) and another (at say at=20 sixteen seconds with 100% feedback). You can start playing on the first del= ay=20 seting up a rhythmic figure with a one beat-per-second pace and when you=20 step/switch to the next bank with the longer delay (we're still talking abo= ut just=20 one DD-20 mind you) the shorter delay KEEPS repeating what was last played=20= into=20 it just as long as the feedback will allow it to go. This shorter delay can= =20 act as a rhythmic guide to set up a sixteen beat (4/4, four-bar) phrase in=20 the second longer delay. Get it? Plus, you don't have to stick with even=20 numbers. You can do it in fives or threes or sevens -- you just have to do=20= the math=20 and hope that the rather limited digital readout will do enough decimals.=20 The DD-20 has five memory banks/slots that you can store delay settings to=20 and step/switch through in series. This is pretty darn cool if you ask me.=20= It=20 will also do tap-tempo stuff if you don't want to play to a numerically=20 preset delay time. It's just a little harder to make it all work with multi= ple=20 pedals if you do though. Another caveat: the manual was a little hard for m= e to=20 figure out at first. I had no end of grief trying to figure it out. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn=20 My budget is extremely limited. That's why I'm not going whole hog and =20 getting something with more meat on (in?) it.=20 =20 I'm not even sure that I'm going to require fading at all. My plan is to se= t=20 up backing and bass lines on the fly and changing them as my tunes progress.= =20 The changes will be sudden. I realize that this will take a lot of practice=20 to do clean with any unit I choose.=20 =20 Still, I can't decide between these for this purpose.=20 =20 Carl -------------------------------1113934789 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 4/19/2005 1:55:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Carl,

In a message dated 04/19/05 9:59:34,=20 RobotFan@aol.com writes:

It would be very nice to have stereo, but the Loop=20 Station seems to be much more of a looper (the DD-20 has looping as more= of=20 an afterthought, yes?).

I would rephrase it more like=20 this:

The Loop Station was designed with ONLY basic loop= ing in=20 mind. It=20 also lacks the feedback control of a traditional delay so it is impossible= to=20 gradually fade out old material while still adding new licks. But, you can= =20 also store loops too (which is pretty darn nice).

The GigaDela= y is=20 designed as a traditional delay that can do several things, looping=20 included.=20 Not an afterthough -- just one of the tricks in it's bag. What it lacks is= the=20 long delay time of the Loopstation and its loop storeage abilities=20 mostly.

Neither device was a total design success in my op= inion.=20 The lack=20 of feedback control on the former was an unforgiveable mistake and a real=20 disapointment. I owned an RC-20 and traded it in on my first DD-20 withing= a=20 very short period. Also, the stunted maximum delay time (at an indivisible= =20 prime number of 23 seconds) of the later was an assinine blunder at best.=20= If=20 it was only a second longer at 24 it could at least be evenly divisible by= 1,=20 2, 3, 4, 6, or 8 allowing easier setup of multiple layers of short and lon= g=20 loops. I'l explain . . .

The one really neat trick of the DD-20 is=20= it's=20 ability to set up one delay in a preset bank (say one second at 98% feedba= ck)=20 and another (at say at sixteen seconds with 100% feedback). You can start=20 playing on the first delay seting up a rhythmic figure with a one=20 beat-per-second pace and when you step/switch to the next bank with the lo= nger=20 delay (we're still talking about just one DD-20 mind you) the shorter dela= y=20 KEEPS repeating what was last played into it just as long as the feedback=20= will=20 allow it to go. This shorter delay can act as a rhythmic guide to set up a= =20 sixteen beat (4/4, four-bar) phrase in the second longer delay. Get it? Pl= us,=20 you don't have to stick with even numbers. You can do it in fives or three= s or=20 sevens -- you just have to do the math and hope that the rather limited=20 digital readout will do enough decimals.

The DD-20 has five memory= =20 banks/slots that you can store delay settings to and step/switch through i= n=20 series. This is pretty darn cool if you ask me. It will also do tap-tempo=20 stuff if you don't want to play to a numerically preset delay time. It's j= ust=20 a little harder to make it all work with multiple pedals if you do though.= =20 Another caveat: the manual was a little hard for me to figure out at first= . I=20 had no end of grief trying to figure it out.

Best regards,

t= Ed =AE=20 kiLLiAn

My budget is extremely limited. That's why I'm not going whole hog and=20 getting something with more meat on (in?) it.

I'm not even sure that I'm going to require fading at all. My plan is t= o=20 set up backing and bass lines on the fly and changing them as my tunes progr= ess.=20 The changes will be sudden. I realize that this will take a lot of practice=20= to=20 do clean with any unit I choose.

Still, I can't decide between these for this purpose.

Carl

-------------------------------1113934789-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 19 16:14:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3JK1Gu09058; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c5451a$78118ed0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <006801c54502$68fa1c40$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:59:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C544F8.C78A6080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C544F8.C78A6080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable These are on sale at Musician's Friend for $189.99 add a power supply = and ya get over the free shipping price. =20 ordering now... I have the DL4 and the RC20XL and they are very different animals. I = think Ted's descriptons are right on. you can hear some loopy weirdness that I recorded with the DL4, RC20XL, = and an Adrenalinn, along with a bunch of other assorted noisemakers. www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/thesoundbetween.htm more toys, more toys Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Douglas Baldwin=20 To: RobotFan@aol.com ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Boss DD-20 It just so happens that I've been collecting my notes on the DD-20 in = order to add a description to the Loopers Delight web site gear list, = a.k.a. "Tools Of The Trade." I will try to post this in the next 24 = hours to give folks like yourself a better idea of what this little = off-white, bi-pedaled monster can do. In fact, just last night I tried the rather perverse trick of setting = the delay type to "pan" (which alternates the output in a = hard-left-hard-right fashion) and sending one of the outputs directly = back into the input. Sorry, cats and kittens, but no mondo squeal, = glitchy artifacts or waves of chip-frying feedback - just a bit of added = ringy resonance. No big whoop. But man, the DD-20 is one fine little = looper. dB, coyote ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C544F8.C78A6080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

These are on sale at Musician's Friend for $189.99 add a = power supply=20 and ya get over the free shipping price.

ordering now...

I have the DL4 and the RC20XL and they are very different = animals. I=20 think Ted's descriptons are right on.

you can hear some loopy weirdness that I recorded with the DL4, = RC20XL, and=20 an Adrenalinn, along with a bunch of other assorted noisemakers.

www.thing= inajar.com/bigtony/thesoundbetween.htm

more toys, more toys

Tony

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Douglas=20 Baldwin

To: RobotFan@aol.com ; Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 = 1:06=20 PM

Subject: Boss DD-20

It just so happens that I've = been=20 collecting my notes on the DD-20 in order to add a description to the = Loopers=20 Delight web site gear list, a.k.a. "Tools Of The Trade." I will try to = post=20 this in the next 24 hours to give folks like yourself a better idea of = what=20 this little off-white, bi-pedaled monster can do.

In fact, just last night I tried = the=20 rather perverse trick of setting the delay type to "pan" (which = alternates the=20 output in a hard-left-hard-right fashion) and sending one of the = outputs=20 directly back into the input. Sorry, cats and kittens, but no mondo = squeal,=20 glitchy artifacts or waves of chip-frying feedback - just a bit of = added ringy=20 resonance. No big whoop. But man, the DD-20 is one fine little=20 looper.

dB,=20 coyote

------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C544F8.C78A6080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 20 07:18:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3KBEP525708; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: <53.25eeb11c.2f979368@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:13:44 EDT Subject: Re: Loop Station, DD-20 or Line6 DL4? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1113995624" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Resent-Message-ID: <_9bLZC.A.WPG.6ljZCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1113995624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/19/2005 1:52:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes: I do have one. Is there any chance that you could record a few riffs with it and post an mp3 somewhere? Unless of course you already have some examples on the web. I would love to hear this device used in a looping application. I'll be auditioning both at Guitar Center this weekend for myself, but still it would be really nice to hear someone else's offerings. Carl -------------------------------1113995624 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 4/19/2005 1:52:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>I do=20 have one.

Is there any chance that you could record a few riffs with it and post=20= an=20 mp3 somewhere?

Unless of course you already have some examples on the web.

I would love to hear this device used in a looping application.

I'll be auditioning both at Guitar Center this weekend for myself, but=20 still it would be really nice to hear someone else's offerings.

Carl

-------------------------------1113995624-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 20 08:49:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3KCl4O20439; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:47:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:47:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c545a7$0e29c2c0$04955142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <53.25eeb11c.2f979368@aol.com> Subject: Re: Loop Station, DD-20 or Line6 DL4? Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 05:47:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C5456C.60D84D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <_tKkHD.A.t8E.i8kZCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C5456C.60D84D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's always nice to hear what other people have done with a certain = unit, but frankly, be it DD-20, DL-4, Rang, XL-20.... a cycle is a = cycle. It's the feedback knob on the DD-20 that set's it apart from most = of the other floor-based stuff. I *think* the Rang has some variable = feedback features but I remember them being preset? Can anyone comment = on that??? These short snippets of sound aren't going to really do much to show off = any REAL differences between the units. Get to the store and put your = feet and hands on them... test them to see if they really feel friendly = to you. I guarantee that you'll find one that agrees with you more than = the other based on purely physical-mechanical interface. I GUAR-ON-TEE = it...=20 -Mikko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!"=20 Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RobotFan@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:13 AM Subject: Re: Loop Station, DD-20 or Line6 DL4? In a message dated 4/19/2005 1:52:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net writes: I do have one. Is there any chance that you could record a few riffs with it and post = an mp3 somewhere? Unless of course you already have some examples on the web.=20 I would love to hear this device used in a looping application. I'll be auditioning both at Guitar Center this weekend for myself, but = still it would be really nice to hear someone else's offerings.=20 Carl ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C5456C.60D84D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It's always nice to hear what other people have done with a certain = unit,=20 but frankly, be it DD-20, DL-4, Rang, XL-20.... a cycle is a cycle. It's = the=20 feedback knob on the DD-20 that set's it apart from most of the other=20 floor-based stuff. I *think* the Rang has some variable feedback = features but I=20 remember them being preset? Can anyone comment on that???

These short snippets of sound aren't going to really do much to = show off=20 any REAL differences between the units. Get to the store and put your = feet and=20 hands on them... test them to see if they really feel friendly to you. I = guarantee that you'll find one that agrees with you more than the other = based on=20 purely physical-mechanical interface. I GUAR-ON-TEE it...

-Mikko Biffle

"Running scared from all the usual distractions!"
Now playing = 'Rough'=20 at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RobotFan@aol.com=20

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 = 4:13=20 AM

Subject: Re: Loop Station, = DD-20 or Line6=20 DL4?

In a message dated 4/19/2005 1:52:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net=20 writes:

I do=20 have one.

Is there any chance that you could record a few riffs with it and = post an=20 mp3 somewhere?

Unless of course you already have some examples on the web. =

I would love to hear this device used in a looping = application.

I'll be auditioning both at Guitar Center this weekend for = myself, but=20 still it would be really nice to hear someone else's offerings.

Carl

------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C5456C.60D84D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 20 10:03:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3KDwNU04356; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:58:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:58:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RobotFan@aol.com Message-ID: <1e5.3a96097e.2f97b9c2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:57:22 EDT Subject: Re: Loop Station, DD-20 or Line6 DL4? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1114005442" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1114005442 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, enough debate. I found the DD-20 at _www.geartree.com_ (http://www.geartree.com) for $179 shipped and tax free. So, I ordered it. I'll post mp3s as soon as get my act together with it. Carl -------------------------------1114005442 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Okay, enough debate. I found the DD-20 at www.geartree.com for $179 shipped= and=20 tax free.

So, I ordered it.

I'll post mp3s as soon as get my act together with it.

Carl

-------------------------------1114005442-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 20 11:33:13 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3KFOKH23406; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:24:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:24:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:24:52 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Any work done with the Boss DD-20? To: RobotFan@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006101c545bd$205f9e40$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9POsja07P5cygEwZKXsFgw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1d7.3ae2fe54.2f96a5c5@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <32Fpu.A.DrF.tPnZCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_9POsja07P5cygEwZKXsFgw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Carl wrote: >I'm not even sure that I'm going to require fading at all. My plan is to set up backing and bass lines on the fly and changing them as my tunes progress. The changes will be sudden. I realize that this will take a lot of practice to do clean with any unit I choose. Here's how I'd do this on the DD-20: 1) Prepare two different memory settings in memory slots 1 and 2. Each setting will have its own ms value and feedback setting. The settings can be completely different, or they can be identical. For the purposes of conventional song structure, you'll want ms values that are either identical or a simple multiple/division of each other - a riff that takes up 4000ms (8 beats at 120bpm) and another at 8000ms (16 beats at 120bpm), for example. Since you don't want your riffs fading out or "morphing" into each other (...yet, heh, heh, heh) you'll also save each memory setting with 100% feedback. 2) Build up Riff A in memory slot 1 - one pass with a bass line, then another pass with chords, for example - then press the left pedal. This "turns the delay off" but actually just isolates the stored/delayed signal from any new input, while the captured material keeps recycling at 100% feedback. Play/sing over this to your heart's content. When you're ready to move on to the next section, drop the feedback to 0%. Press both pedals at once at the exact moment you'll want to begin your new riff. The 0% feedback will now kick in to memory slot 1/Riff A (which will repeat one final time), and memory slot 2 will be active. You can begin playing your first pass of new material (Riff B) at this same moment (over the final repetition of Riff A) or you can wait until Riff A magically disappears after one final cycle. 3) Now you can repeat all of this with memory slot 2 and a potential memory slot 3. Just remember that the DD-20 has only 4 memory slots and one "manual" slot to save tyour settings in. This could mean reprogramming it for every song you play. That's a lot of bendover for a traditional musical performance. I have not used the Loop Station, but I suspect that it might be friendlier to a traditional musical application such as you've described. Most significantly, you could store (more) phrases in advance of your performance. Users, weigh in! dB, coyote --Boundary_(ID_9POsja07P5cygEwZKXsFgw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Carl wrote:

>I'm not even sure that I'm going to require fading at all. My plan is to set up backing and bass lines on the fly and changing them as my tunes progress. The changes will be sudden. I realize that this will take a lot of practice to do clean with any unit I choose.

Here's how I'd do this on the DD-20:

1) Prepare two different memory settings in memory slots 1 and 2. Each setting will have its own ms value and feedback setting. The settings can be completely different, or they can be identical. For the purposes of conventional song structure, you'll want ms values that are either identical or a simple multiple/division of each other - a riff that takes up 4000ms (8 beats at 120bpm) and another at 8000ms (16 beats at 120bpm), for example. Since you don't want your riffs fading out or "morphing" into each other (...yet, heh, heh, heh) you'll also save each memory setting with 100% feedback.

2) Build up Riff A in memory slot 1 - one pass with a bass line, then another pass with chords, for example - then press the left pedal. This "turns the delay off" but actually just isolates the stored/delayed signal from any new input, while the captured material keeps recycling at 100% feedback. Play/sing over this to your heart's content. When you're ready to move on to the next section, drop the feedback to 0%. Press both pedals at once at the exact moment you'll want to begin your new riff. The 0% feedback will now kick in to memory slot 1/Riff A (which will repeat one final time), and memory slot 2 will be active. You can begin playing your first pass of new material (Riff B) at this same moment (over the final repetition of Riff A) or you can wait until Riff A magically disappears after one final cycle.

3) Now you can repeat all of this with memory slot 2 and a potential memory slot 3. Just remember that the DD-20 has only 4 memory slots and one "manual" slot to save tyour settings in. This could mean reprogramming it for every song you play. That's a lot of bendover for a traditional musical performance.

I have not used the Loop Station, but I suspect that it might be friendlier to a traditional musical application such as you've described. Most significantly, you could store (more) phrases in advance of your performance. Users, weigh in!

dB, coyote

--Boundary_(ID_9POsja07P5cygEwZKXsFgw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 20 11:37:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3KFV8u24824; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:31:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:31:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=s7secE4jI8WJ4UjbEEg1GBjBE+l2yjnzUYKSECIRAcl77uYZnPLaRCqNJPT0lpSbBx/tKhVbei3MzR86HSLCDM40h3S17TyobCsoj08PvJ31lMh9wYX4/83ZuVmMm4vNqkB8M5udgcnbvHjwJKcZyWyy0L09hdy1egiWHmiHPtY= Message-ID: <48dfb26705042008294809dd73@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:29:57 -0400 From: Matt Herman Reply-To: Matt Herman To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig Spam: Matt Herman Live Looping Tonight!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j3KFTwx24639 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello friends. Tonight at 9pm (eastern) I'll be performing a set on WKDU 91.7fm or, for those outside of the Philly area, you can catch it off the 'net at http://wkdu.org/livefeed.cfm I'll be performing on my usual Chapman Stick and a few electronic deviances. -- Matt Herman funender.com/music/herman truebypass@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 20 12:02:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3KFuuZ30207; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:56:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:56:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:56:34 -0600 Message-Id: <200504201556.j3KFuYx13938@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Boss DD-20? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.29.211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My only complaint with the DD20 is that I can't seem to get enough volume out of it. It always seems quiet to me, especially in comparison to my DL4. I've tried the output at both -20 and +4 and it still seems very quiet. I run the signal from a Korg AX300G into the DL4 (left) and DD20 (right) and the DL4 is always louder than the DD20. This tends to be something of a problem since I use headphones and always feel that my head is being pulled to the left by the difference in loudness. Anyone else notice anything like this? Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 20 14:46:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3KIdes28963; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:39:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:39:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.205] X-Originating-Email: [garrettpetters@hotmail.com] X-Sender: garrettpetters@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <62b2b64a04d6adf518147fb630dc5c95@zoekeating.com> From: "Garrett Petters" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI footcontroller setup for the electrix repeater. Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:38:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2005 18:38:52.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[330D4F90:01C545D8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you for all your help . Now I can finally start lay down some tracks with ease. Garrett Petters _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 20 17:37:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3KLXuQ31069; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:33:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:33:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=IIrk4cRa/07OvNmby6u8qck5Lsk22T6b30ErTWddeTfs71XmCKcxVKSSUvL/y3r1Ripze4OINWKnt62zXsBEjR31uXdBgzq5xRlSEgZ/+UaiOTULi8IT9Bty6p9VXoqVjxr3xUpGMQu1r5huSsY0rKsVho72Xlk9DqNuGgq/x7A= ; Message-ID: <20050420213316.74258.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Make-your-own midi controllers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought this might be of some interest here. I just read an article about a guy who makes MIDI controllers out of Nintendo controllers (including glove controllers and other weird things I never even knew existed when I was a die-hard Nintendo user) ... and he even uses them for looping. =) Here's a quote: "I was using the glove and pad simultaneously in a band. The best function of the glove was the buttons on the wrist. I created a program that allowed me to use the glove’s button data to select sample banks, filter parameters, and switch between various uses for the xyz and finger data. For example, in one mode I could make a fist and dance out a simple beat on the pad, then when I opened my hand, the beat would continue as a loop, I could then add additional layers to the loop by repeating the process. By pressing another button or combination of buttons on the wrist I could then select another mode such as the virtual record-scratching mode to battle with the band’s DJ." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 20 17:43:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3KLeKN32516; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:40:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:40:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pHnudJdRKn1JVph4glLoLEP13jk7vq+m72F0/itOXtviNYqLQk2otkgTyd70W0FHtYpj0iNhrpb31ko6oo2tni3MyRju5rr5mmv7w0K6IdTHvMnC/Y7SBcJjFi0EQzvg3bN20EA+o9U9vWmFGVPUWdN1UOE3uriFtvSUBCBAavg= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:39:47 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Make-your-own midi controllers... In-Reply-To: <20050420213316.74258.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050420213316.74258.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j3KLdsx32409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't believe he didn't mention how amazingly cool he looks on stage during all this. On 4/20/05, mike feeney wrote: > > "I was using the glove and pad simultaneously in a > band. The best function of the glove was the buttons > on the wrist. I created a program that allowed me to > use the glove's button data to select sample banks, > filter parameters, and switch between various uses for > the xyz and finger data. For example, in one mode I > could make a fist and dance out a simple beat on the > pad, then when I opened my hand, the beat would > continue as a loop, I could then add additional layers > to the loop by repeating the process. By pressing > another button or combination of buttons on the wrist > I could then select another mode such as the virtual > record-scratching mode to battle with the band's DJ." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 20 20:06:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3L00xN26753; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:00:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:00:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4266ED13.2000608@tiscali.it> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 02:00:19 +0200 From: FZ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Make-your-own midi controllers... References: <20050420213316.74258.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050420213316.74258.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at libero.it serv1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Was it a online source? Do you have a link? mike feeney wrote: >Thought this might be of some interest here. I just >read an article about a guy who makes MIDI controllers >out of Nintendo controllers (including glove >controllers and other weird things I never even knew >existed when I was a die-hard Nintendo user) ... and >he even uses them for looping. =) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 20 23:09:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3L35lP24569; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Anyone have a 5 space rack they want to sell or trade? Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:04:32 -0600 Message-ID: <005301c5461e$d769b740$6b01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 11, in=18, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have a 5 or 6 space rack they want to sell? I'm looking for an Anvil-style ATA rack...no plastic SKB molded racks, just a standard rack like the Anvil Forge II models. I can buy a new Forge II for $200, but thought I would check around first. I also have a brand new 8 space shockmount rack that I would be willing to trade, if we could share the shipping charges or balance them out. Here is the rack I have now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3770737992 I bought this rack new for $239 ($279 with shipping), so the trade would be completely to your advantage. If you are interested, send email to me personally - khartung@cableone.net - as I'm in LP digest mode now. Cheers, Kris ************************************************************************ ************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com View improvisational / real-time looping videos: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/catalogue.ht m#videos Interactive tour of my gear: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 20 23:46:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3L3iDo30079; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:44:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:44:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lNO0chf79sflNyzItPocISo5G8cLulp7MVBwZhbubfAURW5HBmrib0j/VJscepy8uQLIg0ws1BfWA+xOC5hxt4qWDldG/zBh0RUdknbOKhil8cZY8FEIzQA/4J7iaKt3AR99aaLHOCAWZbeop/iYR2B11frQ6PRBarG8F2MZ07s= ; Message-ID: <20050421034305.40745.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:43:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: Same midi clock to all my gear?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1ju_3C.A.6TH.QFyZCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello again, I'm puzzled. I want all my midi gear to read the same midi Clock...for a real-time performance (no computer). I'm using a midi keyboard controller, various synths, drum machine, and many effects (some use midi). I also have a JL Cooper Synapse midi router. --------- The short story is...that I only want some gear to read Clock...not Notes, not Program Changes, not etc. --------- (for example) If I have an arpeggiated synth that sends clock, but I don't want the drum machine to read those Notes (but only read clock). In addition, I don't want a synth Program Change to affect anothers' Program. Is there a standard and simple way to do this? How do I decide which is to become my "master clock source"...drum, synth,....?? I have a feeling, a feeling deep inside, that it is not simple....and I need to painfully experiment with the Synapse router's filter/merge functions. Your personal experiences are welcome... Thanks-a-watt =RANDY= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 21 00:06:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3L43oD01541; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:03:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:03:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: cthulhu.neoprofessional.net: jlucas set sender to jlucas@neoprimitive.net using -f Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:03:40 -0500 From: jlucas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Same midi clock to all my gear?? Message-ID: <20050421050340.GA29856@neoprimitive.net> References: <20050421034305.40745.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050421034305.40745.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Resent-Message-ID: <2J1pCD.A.oW.7XyZCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 20/04/05 20:43 -0700, Randy Leifer wrote: > I have a feeling, a feeling deep inside, that it is > not simple....and I need to painfully experiment with > the Synapse router's filter/merge functions. Set one clock-sending device to Master, and all others to Slave. If your devices have filters, make sure they're not filtering out the clock. If all your machines are going to talk, it shouldn't be any harder than that. Note, some clocks send Start and Stop, and some send Continue. I had problems one time with a clock generator that was sending Continue messages. My synths wanted a Start message to reset their MIDI-synced LFOs by. Those are the kinds of troubles you're going to run into, if any. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 21 00:10:35 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3L46xJ02090; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:06:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:06:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: cthulhu.neoprofessional.net: jlucas set sender to jlucas@neoprimitive.net using -f Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:07:03 -0500 From: jlucas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Same midi clock to all my gear?? Message-ID: <20050421050703.GB29856@neoprimitive.net> References: <20050421034305.40745.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050421034305.40745.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 20/04/05 20:43 -0700, Randy Leifer wrote: > --------- > The short story is...that I only want some gear to > read Clock...not Notes, not Program Changes, not etc. > --------- OK, maybe a little more explanation. Notes and Program Changes are channel-specific in MIDI. So, only instruments listening on those channels will be affected. Clock is a global signal. Provided the instruments are set up to listen for it, they will all receive it and sync to it. If you know TCP/IP networking, Clock signals are like broadcast packets, and Notes/Program Changes are unicast. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 21 00:22:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3L4Jie03850; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:19:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:19:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:03:40 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance at two rock events Somerville, MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video projections at 2 events on 4.29 and 4.30. 4.29. with Mission of Burma at the Somerville Theatre. I don't have pricing and details. 4.30 EXPLODING PLASTIC INCREDIBLE Saturday, April 30, at the Sky Bar in Somerville, Mass. Details below. At 9:42 PM -0400 4/15/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: >Goatness unto you! > >We at Goat River Productions want to remind you of Tim Mungenast's >first show in 6 months, the multimedia/multiband EXPLODING PLASTIC >INCREDIBLE Saturday, April 30, at the Sky Bar in Somerville, Mass. >Abunai! alumnus Joe Turner will be filling in for Jon Proudman on >drums; Joe's bandmate Kris Thompson will be playing keys on 2 songs; >Cul de Sac veteran Michael Bloom will continue to do that >low-frequency hoodoo that he do so well; Mac Randall of NYC >band Fuller will be co-guitaring on 2 or 3 numbers; and Cheryl from >Dreamchild will donate her lovely high harmonies. >And there is SO MUCH MORE. READ ON! > >SATURDAY >04/30/2005 08:00 PM - Sky Bar > >Somerville Ave, Somerville, MA 02143 >witness the EXPLODING PLASTIC INCREDIBLE: a MULTIMEDIA PSYCH >EXTRAVAGANZA (21+) featuring >* a LIGHT SHOW by the amazing DOCTOR T., >* between-band SITAR courtesy of Mac Randall (guitarist for Fuller & >author of "Exit Music," the Radiohead biography), >* the bizarre spoken-word stylings of ASTRO AL, >*the goatar-driven psych of TIM MUNGENAST & His Pre-existing Conditions, >*the dark, brooding, mystic instrumentals of MAGONIA, >*and headlining the show will be avant-jam heroes MEATHAWK . -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 21 01:13:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3L5BGK13249; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:11:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:11:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=5Aj/vfBf8oJkoErDSw1gXcXbkKfhyJ8ZrHhCJNEGjWbCbsccPdqDLYscm0Elyf0PBbITKobqXadK6c+0NkftZd8kCBW619/ArSuRRBnXOP8me8Jq0C5OsIHHaAza647F/WL+N5JQ83cNB2z4r3X7nnP0BHcJmcDbowHT3oKYwV4= ; Message-ID: <20050421051040.23251.qmail@web41126.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:10:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: re: Midi Clock to all To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *Notes and Program Changes are channel-specific in MIDI. *So, only *instruments listening on those channels will be *affected. Clock *is a global signal. Provided the instruments are set up *to listen *for it, they will all receive it and sync to it. *-J -------------- Thanks! I did not realize that (I should have). =RANDY= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 21 09:34:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3LDTPA23892; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:29:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:29:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:30:30 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Boss DD-20 Upgraded to 46 Seconds of Delay! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003001c54676$4e8436a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_n7b/63/C3xl2I+toFESe0A)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003201c5451a$78118ed0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_n7b/63/C3xl2I+toFESe0A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ...heh, heh, heh. I thought that would catch your attention. Here's the straight dope: Set the DD-20 to "pan" delay, and plug into both outputs with the unit in stereo output mode. Mute one output (or just put a dummy jack in it), and set the delay time for 23 seconds. Since the output now pans hard left-hard right, the resulting output from one of the two outputs is 46 seconds. Try it, and you'll buy it. So y'all quit bitchin' and moanin' about only 23 seconds and prime numbers and all that stuff and cook yerself up some real loopage. dB, coyote p.s. I'm still working on the "Guide to the DD-20." The real world is nipping at my heels, tripping me up and keeping me from this important document. Damn! Who needs clean laundry and groceries when you can have 46 seconds of loop-delay? (Sounds like an Irish lullabye: Loop-Delay, Loop-Delye...) --Boundary_(ID_n7b/63/C3xl2I+toFESe0A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

...heh, heh, heh. I thought that would catch your attention. Here's the straight dope: Set the DD-20 to "pan" delay, and plug into both outputs with the unit in stereo output mode. Mute one output (or just put a dummy jack in it), and set the delay time for 23 seconds. Since the output now pans hard left-hard right, the resulting output from one of the two outputs is 46 seconds. Try it, and you'll buy it. So y'all quit bitchin' and moanin' about only 23 seconds and prime numbers and all that stuff and cook yerself up some real loopage.

dB, coyote

p.s. I'm still working on the "Guide to the DD-20." The real world is nipping at my heels, tripping me up and keeping me from this important document. Damn! Who needs clean laundry and groceries when you can have 46 seconds of loop-delay?

(Sounds like an Irish lullabye: Loop-Delay, Loop-Delye...)

--Boundary_(ID_n7b/63/C3xl2I+toFESe0A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 21 10:06:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3LDwo828287; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:58:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:58:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Kb2t1pATqgaWQXIVyhgrLor5ek93HoxfSpZ09zkYxbF0HyLfRU2e5ZCJWB7oeOKIa+8RDxE/8V9INa3oXvjMc+pVfdXiosvWI4NYGwoQyKTzB0GGe4Zb0CBB1crFgTBlle1IrZYZLqE1vdRp/kePMH6AYdc6P/TH+GXpDcvrhDw= ; Message-ID: <20050421135816.92603.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:58:16 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Re: Make-your-own midi controllers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops. It seems I forgot the URL. =) http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/04/nintendo_contro.html Mike --- FZ wrote: > Was it a online source? Do you have a link? > > mike feeney wrote: > > >Thought this might be of some interest here. I > just > >read an article about a guy who makes MIDI > controllers > >out of Nintendo controllers (including glove > >controllers and other weird things I never even > knew > >existed when I was a die-hard Nintendo user) ... > and > >he even uses them for looping. =) > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 21 14:17:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3LIAAx21094; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:10:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:10:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <65fd6f056c50ccdf48560613c6165e60@cableaz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rds8000 Subject: jamman wanted Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:07:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello i'm in the market for a jamman in working condition please respond off-list adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 21 21:39:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3M1aFJ01775; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:36:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:36:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=biA9EnjJwv3h2iufOlJ6VlSq0m9VBJIr5ynkm8aFE77qBDOO2n1mVAztJ/vYMURyZchguie8SslGmYjRjR6uq8O3vTjo3yyllGfV81GbtnqUsWKKspwjHRzBz+n9cblnQd2Ay68DRmm8ATIvTYj9l8zQ/LRCghugRCoayrNAKpg= ; Message-ID: <20050422013500.23880.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Piehole Subject: For Sale: Yamaha UD-Stomp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-800540163-1114133699=:19875" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-800540163-1114133699=:19875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If anyone wants a UD-Stomp, I have one in mint condition. Includes manual, power cord & box. Make me a reasonable offer before I place it on eBay. Regards, Pi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-800540163-1114133699=:19875 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-800540163-1114133699=:19875-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 22 01:07:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3M54T910860; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 01:04:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 01:04:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr6 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:03:02 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT: New Release "C.U.E. COMPILATION 2" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi LD, New release information. This is our label compilation album, C.U.E. COMPILATION 2 http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop/merchandise/cue_records_label/qcd-c2/c2_e.html includes : Hans Koch (Switzerland),Ian Masters(UK. ex.Pale Saints), Semiomime aka DJ Hidden (Holland) ,Yingfan (Taiwan),inBOIL (USA) and Japanese artists. experimental/improvised/electro-acoustic/noise/ambient etc etc.. and last one,C.U.E. COMPILATION 1 information is below: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop/merchandise/cue_records_label/qcd-c1/c1_e.html includes : Gunter Muller (Switzerland), Luca Formentini (Italy),Slacknote (Holland), Laura Maes (Belgium) etc etc.. mail order available from C.U.E. records,Kobe,Japan. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop/merchandise/order_e.html Thanks Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 22 01:07:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3M556x11021; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 01:05:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 01:05:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c546f8$c9266ea0$7c925545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <003201c5451a$78118ed0$d000a8c0@Exscribe.com> <003001c54676$4e8436a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 Upgraded to 46 Seconds of Delay! Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:04:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C546BE.1B4EB240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C546BE.1B4EB240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another really versatile way to use both outputs of the DD-20 would be = to just run them to two separate channels on a mixer, then just mute (or = turn down) whichever channel you want.=20 -Biffoz "Running scared from all the usual distractions!"=20 Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Douglas Baldwin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 6:30 AM Subject: Boss DD-20 Upgraded to 46 Seconds of Delay! ...heh, heh, heh. I thought that would catch your attention. Here's = the straight dope: Set the DD-20 to "pan" delay, and plug into both = outputs with the unit in stereo output mode. Mute one output (or just = put a dummy jack in it), and set the delay time for 23 seconds. Since = the output now pans hard left-hard right, the resulting output from one = of the two outputs is 46 seconds. Try it, and you'll buy it. So y'all = quit bitchin' and moanin' about only 23 seconds and prime numbers and = all that stuff and cook yerself up some real loopage. dB, coyote p.s. I'm still working on the "Guide to the DD-20." The real world is = nipping at my heels, tripping me up and keeping me from this important = document. Damn! Who needs clean laundry and groceries when you can have = 46 seconds of loop-delay? (Sounds like an Irish lullabye: Loop-Delay, Loop-Delye...) ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C546BE.1B4EB240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Another really versatile way to use both outputs of the DD-20 would = be to=20 just run them to two separate channels on a mixer, then just mute (or = turn down)=20 whichever channel you want.

-Biffoz

"Running scared from all the usual distractions!"
Now playing = 'Rough'=20 at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Douglas=20 Baldwin

In a message dated 4/20/2005 9:58:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 RobotFan@aol.com writes:

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Okay, enough debate. I found the DD-20 at www.geartree.com for $179 ship= ped=20 and tax free.

So, I ordered it.

I'll post mp3s as soon as get my act together with it.

Carl

Well, it's been a whole week. I checked my "Order Status" on Geartree's= =20 website and it showed as "pending". WTF?

So, I called them up. They told me that the DD-20 is backordered (you g= uys=20 glut them out or something? *g*).

I found that American Music Supply had them for the same price, no tax=20= and=20 "eligible for free shipping". I called them again and asked them to cancel m= y=20 order.

When I got through the checkout, the total included a shipping fee.=20 Apparently EVERY item is eligible for "free shipping" as long as you order m= ore=20 than $200 worth.

So, I called geartree back and got them to reinstate my order all over=20 again.

I should get my heart's desire a week from Friday. A long time to wait.= I'm=20 very anxious to get my feet wet on this looping thing!

Carl

-------------------------------1114636940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 27 17:44:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3RLfBb09818; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:41:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:41:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050427214028.12393.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:40:28 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kudos to you Mr. Zvonar. My findings agree with yours. TGore44 is obviously not worth one's breath. I have to disagree Ted K. People like TGore44 who through a stone and then run, deserve the full brunt of our venom. TGore44 is a typical idiot. Hey TGore44, you're an asshole! But anyway, it got me to think of my first experiences with ambient music and other forms of abstract and minimal art. Sure, Eno's Music for Airports sounds like random piano at the bottom of a coal mine IF you're looking for a standard western musical approach. The fist time I heard it I was totally confused. "When does the song start?" It was only after I actually started to improvise over the piece did it make sense to me. I was looking for something that wasn't there and that was preventing me from seeing what WAS there. Now I listen to music that the HR woman where I work calls, "Heartmonitor music" and stuff that's even beepier and I can fully appreciate it. I can usually tell when someone is actually composing as opposed to noodling, though it's more of a gray area. I'm sure when I first started listening to abstract modern music I wasn't very good at this. Basically , with a lot of ambient musc, it's an aquired taste, but if you're open and awake you'll be happy you didn't dismiss it. Mark --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 1:33 PM -0700 4/24/05, TGore44 wrote: > >A lot of the music I auditioned from the site was > based on > >monotonous noodling with reverb & delay effects. > > At 2:00 PM +0000 4/25/05, loopbozo@comcast.net > wrote: > > >what site? Good question! > > For those of you who had trouble figuring out what > TGore44 > was on about: > > He/she signed up for the Loopers Delight list, > apparently downloaded > a few sound sound files that he/she found > monotonous, and then > attempted to unsubscribe from the list. > > As is often the case with those who are rather dim, > TGore44 sent the > unsubscribe request to the list itself, rather than > to the list > request address. He/she also misspelled unsubscribe, > which further > attests to the lack of attention he/she devoted to > the process. > > The fact that several of you didn't figure this out > also attests to > the minimal attention you felt TGore44 deserved, but > as compulsive > noodlers you needed to pipe up about it anyway (just > as I, as a > compulsive curmudgeon, felt it necessary to gripe > about all of you). > > Here's why I knew this about TGore44 and you all > didn't: > > 1) I sorted my e-mail by Subject traced the "Too > many beeps and > boops" thread back to the original poster. > > 2) I then sorted my e-mail by Who and found that the > person had > posted an unsubscribe request about five minutes > earlier. > > 3) I also noticed that this person had never posted > anything else to the list. > > 4) i figured out that TGore44 was a casual visitor > who had joined the > list and quickly decided it was not to his/her > liking. > > > I bring this up as an example of something I've > learned to do and > that helps me gather all sorts of information. I > call it "research." > Sometimes I also call it "thinking about something > that puzzles you > until you figure it out." Try it! It works great! > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://salamandersongs.com > http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 27 18:10:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3RM7iJ15350; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:07:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:07:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050427220621.83055.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:06:21 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_kMyY.A.-pD.jzAcCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, why are you hiding your incredibly creative instrumental licks? Lay it on us, my friend. My feelings about critisism are unless it's asked for or you're being asked to pay money to hear something, don't. Most of the posters are not professionals and do it as a hobby for fun. I'm one of those people. I also ask for comments and except them, but usually they're a lot more elequent than "too much noodling." That's why I'm on this list. Most of the members are great and I've learned a LOT from them. Some here my enjoy my music, some may not. I hope those who hate it ignore it and those who like it savor it. Why cut down someone's music for no reason? Don't listen to them if you don't like them. It's one thing to buy someone's CD and say, "I didn't like this because of x." and another to generalize and make a rude comment with no information to back it up. Let me answer my question. Because agression is a great way to mask weakness. My cat taught me this. (a 16 pound lump of cat-chub dominates a 75lb pitbull mix in my home) So, back it up Mr. Wind-Stick and show us your amazing music. Mark --- Wind-stick Devil wrote: > Well, 'site' referring to some of the MP3's or links > pointing to MP3's, et al from some of the posters to > LD. > > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are > paid to some folks music that frequently is > essentially self-indulgent noodling with long > delays, galaxy-sized reverb patches and ebows. > > But for music with incredibly creative instrumental > licks (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the > collective. Is it me? > > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/24/05 4:36:13 PM, > wklemmer1@yahoo.com writes: > > > A lot of the music I auditioned from the site > > > what site? > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 27 18:15:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3RMBYq16339; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:11:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:11:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Wdp36zhuR/t3oqJbt+X1LYx95BBOO1mtIGT3J6lkgr3D1At0/Iy+C2RBVS53CuWaZi+AHMGbP7hjYD98iIWsCrx0F2skmz9TS53S0HeOtdpzjZj8abMuz+Vt8hYpoCnfUuPztb7pepJpRD2axt02aTVY9Im/SIHXEZCtc54yWwM= ; Message-ID: <20050427221034.21187.qmail@web50003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Marshall Subject: looping musicians in the Northern Virginia area????? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-185796173-1114639834=:20900" Resent-Message-ID: <9hb64B.A.f5D.g3AcCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-185796173-1114639834=:20900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anybody interested in loop based music in the Northern Virginia area? I have a basement with some ok equipment for jamming and/or recording. influences: Seefeel, My Bloody Valentine, The Orb, Sonic Youth, Spaceman 3, Rain Parade, Neu, Yo La Tango, Eno, Lee Scratch Perry, and lots more. Fave tools: Roland JD 800, Roland Handsonic Percussion Module, Boss RC 20XL, Yamaha RMX1, Epiphone Casino, Lava Lamp, Candles, imagination!!!! sonic kitty __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-185796173-1114639834=:20900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Anybody interested in loop based music in the Northern Virginia area?

I have a basement with some ok equipment for jamming and/or recording.

influences: Seefeel, My Bloody Valentine, The Orb, Sonic Youth, Spaceman 3, Rain Parade, Neu, Yo La Tango, Eno, Lee Scratch Perry, and lots more.

Fave tools: Roland JD 800, Roland Handsonic Percussion Module, Boss RC 20XL, Yamaha RMX1, Epiphone Casino, Lava Lamp, Candles, imagination!!!!

sonic kitty

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-185796173-1114639834=:20900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 27 18:24:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3RMJc917747; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:19:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:19:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=WevMryV3e5/sWdeUHfV3TXLoP2LChtxvo6zOAl9b2eJnN60gFbeWJ8T9Rh/Ty01nHaUcV4fugfSqs18qDNCRhjJml9M7Z6BBn81VlXvVshYqcDmYT69d69cpjI1Rox1Qw6qqgc90WdvseK/1YQJqoOcxy5L8p6UwhlXZDV3Kk+U= ; Message-ID: <20050427221826.85636.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:18:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind-stick Devil Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1700255622-1114640306=:77018" Resent-Message-ID: <6xgD1B.A.zSE.4-AcCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1700255622-1114640306=:77018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ahhh. Go back to watching Hannity & Colmes or the O'Reilly Show! mark sottilaro wrote:So, why are you hiding your incredibly creative instrumental licks? Lay it on us, my friend. My feelings about critisism are unless it's asked for or you're being asked to pay money to hear something, don't. Most of the posters are not professionals and do it as a hobby for fun. I'm one of those people. I also ask for comments and except them, but usually they're a lot more elequent than "too much noodling." That's why I'm on this list. Most of the members are great and I've learned a LOT from them. Some here my enjoy my music, some may not. I hope those who hate it ignore it and those who like it savor it. Why cut down someone's music for no reason? Don't listen to them if you don't like them. It's one thing to buy someone's CD and say, "I didn't like this because of x." and another to generalize and make a rude comment with no information to back it up. Let me answer my question. Because agression is a great way to mask weakness. My cat taught me this. (a 16 pound lump of cat-chub dominates a 75lb pitbull mix in my home) So, back it up Mr. Wind-Stick and show us your amazing music. Mark --- Wind-stick Devil wrote: > Well, 'site' referring to some of the MP3's or links > pointing to MP3's, et al from some of the posters to > LD. > > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are > paid to some folks music that frequently is > essentially self-indulgent noodling with long > delays, galaxy-sized reverb patches and ebows. > > But for music with incredibly creative instrumental > licks (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the > collective. Is it me? > > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/24/05 4:36:13 PM, > wklemmer1@yahoo.com writes: > > > A lot of the music I auditioned from the site > > > what site? > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1700255622-1114640306=:77018 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Ahhh. Go back to watching Hannity & Colmes or the O'Reilly Show!

mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

So, why are you hiding your incredibly creative
instrumental licks? Lay it on us, my friend.

My feelings about critisism are unless it's asked for
or you're being asked to pay money to hear something,
don't. Most of the posters are not professionals and
do it as a hobby for fun. I'm one of those people. I
also ask for comments and except them, but usually
they're a lot more elequent than "too much noodling."
That's why I'm on this list. Most of the members are
great and I've learned a LOT from them. Some here my
enjoy my music, some may not. I hope those who hate
it ignore it and those who like it savor it.

Why cut down someone's music for no reason? Don't
listen to them if you don't like them. It's one thing
to buy someone's CD and say, "I didn't like this
because of x." and another to generalize and make a
rude comment with no information to back it up. Let
me answer my question. Because agression is a great
way to mask weakness. My cat taught me this. (a 16
pound lump of cat-chub dominates a 75lb pitbull mix in
my home) So, back it up Mr. Wind-Stick and show us
your amazing music.

Mark

--- Wind-stick Devil wrote:
> Well, 'site' referring to some of the MP3's or links
> pointing to MP3's, et al from some of the posters to
> LD.
>
> I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are
> paid to some folks music that frequently is
> essentially self-indulgent noodling with long
> delays, galaxy-sized reverb patches and ebows.
>
> But for music with incredibly creative instrumental
> licks (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the
> collective. Is it me?
>
> Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/24/05 4:36:13 PM,
> wklemmer1@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> A lot of the music I auditioned from the site
>
>
> what site?
> __________________________________________________
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> protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1700255622-1114640306=:77018-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 27 18:44:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3RMdQA21625; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:39:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:39:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=EtePxJd2J5pLWNNGce3SqhK9Bac0sBAeHePYytN5EpUo95Jom3ye2BFIyP48dUrrZnu+LJJmgk3xLp7CqfC9WX1S3MSl/eW0pcDzjyM5T8W+vGuSMg/AR+A+WIqORwQVNyp67/G65Zf8ftUEB/u7ClgCy11kHMrPnCf5ShXID5Q= ; Message-ID: <20050427223828.69481.qmail@web50003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Marshall Subject: Newest ORB cd??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1883469354-1114641507=:68838" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1883469354-1114641507=:68838 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii anybody care to discuss the relative merits (or not) of the newest Orb cd? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1883469354-1114641507=:68838 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

anybody care to discuss the relative merits (or not) of the newest Orb cd?

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1883469354-1114641507=:68838-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 27 18:49:15 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3RMkYe22725; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:46:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:46:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <13943959.1114641735508.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:42:15 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Wind Stick Devil and the Bleepity Blooping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <9bLH3C.A.AdF.QXBcCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ladies and Gentlemen Haven't we all proven our point here. Most of us are indeed hobbyist and doing this for love of it. No acclaim. No real money. No free drugs or nubile willing groupies. Just love and art that interests us. Why waste the energy slagging someone who is not particularly open or willing to dialogue on the subject. Mr. WindStick Devil, you may well be a genius musically. But be prepared to reap the consequence of broad over generalizations. This list is about the exchange of ideas and not slagging. Leave it die. Should you be willing to do so, I think the rest of the list will. I am a lurker and rarely pipe up. I appreciate the exchange of resources and ideas here. I realize that alot of what I do with my looping device is an utter load of wank only suitable for drug experiences and scaring my border collie. Degenerating into personally willful, vindictive agendas serves none of us. Sorry to appear too much Rodney King here, but can't we all........... Lurking From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 27 20:09:44 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3S06lH04646; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:06:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:06:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <042520051400.2916.426CF7E5000C313D00000B6422058864420196010D9F010104@com c ast.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:06:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1097475658==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1097475658==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:31 PM -0700 4/27/05, Chris Muir wrote: >At 9:38 AM -0700 4/25/05, Richard Zvonar wrote: >>3) I also noticed that this person had never posted anything else >>to the list. > >Ah... this is where you went wrong. You need to look at the actual >email address, not the name of the day. These are all the same >address: > >William Klemmer Signs as "Willie" >Piehole Signs as "Paul" or "Pi" >TGore44 >Wind-stick Devil Signs as "Windy" or "Sticky" My akademic mortarboard is off to you, Chris. You're a more thorough researcher than I. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com --============_-1097475658==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Too many beeps & boops

At 12:31 PM -0700 4/27/05, Chris Muir wrote:

At 9:38 AM -0700 4/25/05, Richard Zvonar wrote:

3) I also noticed that this person had never posted anything else to the list.

Ah... this is where you went wrong. You need to look at the actual email address, not the name of the day. These are all the same address:

William Klemmer <wklemmer1@yahoo.com> Signs as "Willie"
Piehole <wklemmer1@yahoo.com> Signs as "Paul" or "Pi"
TGore44 <wklemmer1@yahoo.com>

Wind-stick Devil <wklemmer1@yahoo.com> Signs as "Windy" or "Sticky"

My akademic mortarboard is off to you, Chris. You're a more thorough researcher than I.

--

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http://ill-wind.com

--============_-1097475658==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 27 20:19:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3S0HOj06514; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:17:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:17:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <42702B56.6060508@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:16:22 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops References: <20050427221826.85636.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050427221826.85636.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <__ZhQ.A.OkB.YtCcCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A lot of people are trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I say f*ck that. You're an idiot. Go try to find a pointless fight somewhere else. Without even listening to your music, I'm going to predict that it utterly SUCKS. Prove me wrong, kid. Dig Wind-stick Devil wrote: > Ahhh. Go back to watching Hannity & Colmes or the O'Reilly Show! > > */mark sottilaro /* wrote: > > So, why are you hiding your incredibly creative > instrumental licks? Lay it on us, my friend. > > My feelings about critisism are unless it's asked for > or you're being asked to pay money to hear something, > don't. Most of the posters are not professionals and > do it as a hobby for fun. I'm one of those people. I > also ask for comments and except them, but usually > they're a lot more elequent than "too much noodling." > That's why I'm on this list. Most of the members are > great and I've learned a LOT from them. Some here my > enjoy my music, some may not. I hope those who hate > it ignore it and those who like it savor it. > > Why cut down someone's music for no reason? Don't > listen to them if you don't like them. It's one thing > to buy someone's CD and say, "I didn't like this > because of x." and another to generalize and make a > rude commen! t with no information to back it up. Let > me answer my question. Because agression is a great > way to mask weakness. My cat taught me this. (a 16 > pound lump of cat-chub dominates a 75lb pitbull mix in > my home) So, back it up Mr. Wind-Stick and show us > your amazing music. > > Mark > > --- Wind-stick Devil wrote: > > Well, 'site' referring to some of the MP3's or links > > pointing to MP3's, et al from some of the posters to > > LD. > > > > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are > > paid to some folks music that frequently is > > essentially self-indulgent noodling with long > > delays, galaxy-sized reverb patches and ebows. > > > > But for music with incredibly creative instrumental > > licks (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the > > collective. Is it me? > > > > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/24/05 4:36:13 PM, > > wklemmer1@yaho! o.com writes: > > > > > > A lot of the music I auditioned from the site > > > > > > what site? > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 27 22:04:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3S21cv22926; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:01:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:01:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=mlTALmHJ1fdnwk7x7F016ntvBKiqYHFA0hfw/61RhGRwTebYud99MFq77GW9b+riFZ7RYKPon8jWTGG4eutRJ4Wn+QZ0wuEp22aw9j8likpqg6focLUeZaXQOQaEDkYWDtk1z2E7DjmLRxcrHpj29lL8ik2rIhSCWa3dekiYSxo= ; Message-ID: <20050428020023.30659.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:00:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind-stick Devil Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-521303101-1114653623=:30249" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-521303101-1114653623=:30249 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm calling my mommy! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Doug Cox wrote:A lot of people are trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I say f*ck that. You're an idiot. Go try to find a pointless fight somewhere else. Without even listening to your music, I'm going to predict that it utterly SUCKS. Prove me wrong, kid. Dig Wind-stick Devil wrote: > Ahhh. Go back to watching Hannity & Colmes or the O'Reilly Show! > > */mark sottilaro /* wrote: > > So, why are you hiding your incredibly creative > instrumental licks? Lay it on us, my friend. > > My feelings about critisism are unless it's asked for > or you're being asked to pay money to hear something, > don't. Most of the posters are not professionals and > do it as a hobby for fun. I'm one of those people. I > also ask for comments and except them, but usually > they're a lot more elequent than "too much noodling." > That's why I'm on this list. Most of the members are > great and I've learned a LOT from them. Some here my > enjoy my music, some may not. I hope those who hate > it ignore it and those who like it savor it. > > Why cut down someone's music for no reason? Don't > listen to them if you don't like them. It's one thing > to buy someone's CD and say, "I didn't like this > because of x." and another to generalize and make a > rude commen! t with no information to back it up. Let > me answer my question. Because agression is a great > way to mask weakness. My cat taught me this. (a 16 > pound lump of cat-chub dominates a 75lb pitbull mix in > my home) So, back it up Mr. Wind-Stick and show us > your amazing music. > > Mark > > --- Wind-stick Devil wrote: > > Well, 'site' referring to some of the MP3's or links > > pointing to MP3's, et al from some of the posters to > > LD. > > > > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are > > paid to some folks music that frequently is > > essentially self-indulgent noodling with long > > delays, galaxy-sized reverb patches and ebows. > > > > But for music with incredibly creative instrumental > > licks (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the > > collective. Is it me? > > > > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/24/05 4:36:13 PM, > > wklemmer1@yaho! o.com writes: > > > > > > A lot of the music I auditioned from the site > > > > > > what site? > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-521303101-1114653623=:30249 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I'm calling my mommy! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Doug Cox <dougcox@pdq.net> wrote:

A lot of people are trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I
say f*ck that.

You're an idiot. Go try to find a pointless fight somewhere else.

Without even listening to your music, I'm going to predict that it
utterly SUCKS.

Prove me wrong, kid.

Dig

Wind-stick Devil wrote:

> Ahhh. Go back to watching Hannity & Colmes or the O'Reilly Show!
>
> */mark sottilaro /* wrote:
>
> So, why are you hiding your incredibly creative
> instrumental licks? Lay it on us, my friend.
>
> My feelings about critisism are unless it's asked for
> or you're being asked to pay money to hear something,
> don't. Most of the posters are not professionals and
> do it as a hobby for fun. I'm one of those people. I
> also ask for comments and except them, but usually
> they're a lot more elequent than "too much noodling."
> That's why I'm on this list. Most of the members are
> great and I've learned a LOT from them. Some here my
> enjoy my music, some may not. I hope those who hate
> it ignore it and those who like it savor it.
>
> Why cut down someone's music for no reason? Don't
> listen to them if you don't like them. It's one thing
> to buy someone's CD and say, "I didn't like this
> because of x." and another to generalize and make a
> rude commen! t with no information to back it up. Let
> me answer my question. Because agression is a great
> way to mask weakness. My cat taught me this. (a 16
> pound lump of cat-chub dominates a 75lb pitbull mix in
> my home) So, back it up Mr. Wind-Stick and show us
> your amazing music.
>
> Mark
>
> --- Wind-stick Devil wrote:
> > Well, 'site' referring to some of the MP3's or links
> > pointing to MP3's, et al from some of the posters to
> > LD.
> >
> > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are
> > paid to some folks music that frequently is
> > essentially self-indulgent noodling with long
> > delays, galaxy-sized reverb patches and ebows.
> >
> > But for music with incredibly creative instrumental
> > licks (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the
> > collective. Is it me?
> >
> > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 4/24/05 4:36:13 PM,
> > wklemmer1@yaho! o.com writes:
> >
> >
> > A lot of the music I auditioned from the site
> >
> >
> > what site?
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com --0-521303101-1114653623=:30249-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 27 22:18:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3S2G2N25337; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:16:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:16:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:16:55 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Too many beeps & boops In-Reply-To: <20050428020023.30659.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050428020023.30659.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Wind-stick Devil wrote: > I'm calling my mommy! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Ok, Larry-I-mean-Windy. *plonk* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 27 22:35:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3S2WlJ29038; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:32:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:32:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050427223828.69481.qmail@web50003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050427223828.69481.qmail@web50003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marc Doudican Subject: Re: Newest ORB cd??? Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:32:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the latest. Bicylces and Tricycles or does he have a newer one? On Apr 27, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Marc Marshall wrote: > anybody care to discuss the relative merits (or not) of the newest Orb > cd? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 27 22:50:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3S2lnR31684; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:47:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:47:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4rOdVZsDgDH1aakHxHy26GidgrakZI9xSN212DR6Jr2OrAqTUcpchYPovB3iJzQAOMK9gvJhseDF3dni2V+uUIW6eNY0VsX7EbyLvtgGXXK0GkG/FPykWWzbYvhTmG2uiTJzQ7fuN2EYpF3+eE7njswQs09TeKqFpkw1MRkAs40= ; Message-ID: <20050428024719.62214.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:47:19 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: LISTENINGS: David Coffin's Reaktor 4 as Guitar FX demo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did David ever put any of this on the web? I'd love to hear it. John --- scott hansen wrote: > i've listened to this many many times and i can't > remember if we exhanged discs back in '03 or '04, > getting brain dead as i get older.... John Tidwell http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/bc/wedgehed __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 27 23:16:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3S3DdC05479; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:13:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:13:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:11:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Meta beeps & boops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are paid to some folks wklemmer1-bashing that frequently is essentially self-indulgent barbs with short sentences, galaxy-sized fonts and whitespace. But for wklemmer1-bashing with incredibly creative verbal invective (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the collective. Is it me? -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 01:30:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3S5REX00585; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:27:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:27:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c54bb2$f7fc5be0$8a9e5142@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: Meta beeps & boops Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:27:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wklemmer, wklammer, I say "What's the matter?" It's just one more mouth, that is chock full of blather! Tra la, tra la la... Chris... there certainly must be a tune in all this? Any chance of a groovy musey shindig at your new Alameda crib after shool's out? Do you have more or less studio space? -Mikkoz "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" Now playing 'Rough' at CDBaby.com www.cdbaby.com/biffoz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Muir" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: Meta beeps & boops > > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are paid to some > folks wklemmer1-bashing that frequently is essentially self-indulgent > barbs with short sentences, galaxy-sized fonts and whitespace. > > But for wklemmer1-bashing with incredibly creative verbal invective > (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the collective. Is it me? > > -C > > -- > Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status > quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, > http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 02:26:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3S6Mai09653; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:22:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:22:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:24:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Meta beeps & boops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3D39B854-B7AE-11D9-B0B9-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hilarious Chris..THANK YOU!!! On Wednesday, April 27, 2005, at 08:11 PM, Chris Muir wrote: > > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are paid to some > folks wklemmer1-bashing that frequently is essentially self-indulgent > barbs with short sentences, galaxy-sized fonts and whitespace. > > But for wklemmer1-bashing with incredibly creative verbal invective > (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the collective. Is it me? > > -C > > -- > Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status > quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, > http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 02:29:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3S6R7V10704; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:27:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:27:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:20:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Meta beeps & boops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:11 PM -0700 4/27/05, Chris Muir wrote: >I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are paid to some >folks wklemmer1-bashing that frequently is essentially >self-indulgent barbs with short sentences, galaxy-sized fonts and >whitespace. > >But for wklemmer1-bashing with incredibly creative verbal invective >(like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the collective. Is it me? You're just too smart for the rabble. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://salamandersongs.com http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 04:20:53 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3S8IAR31458; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 04:18:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 04:18:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c54bc1$3f3b7640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT $posting$" Subject: Music Video for Purple Hand Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:08:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm very proud to announce that David Tristram has directed a new digitally animated video for the song "Sumpin' Funky I Cooked Up Tonight" from my new abstract electronica release, 'Purple Hand'. David is a fantastic live digital videographer who uses his own proprietary visual software. He has amongst many, many career performances been responsible for a lot of the live video work for the Woodstockhausen Festivals of Esorteric Music and the Y2K3 Live Looping Festival. You can read more about his artistry and career at: www.tristram.com If you are interested you can download a compressed copy of the video for free at www.looppool.info/purple_hand/ It's a hefty 64 megs so download it in the evening. I'm incredibly pleased with how it came out. It is my first official music video...............woooohoooooo!! yours, Rick Walker aka l()()p.p()()l aka Purple Hand aka Ultra Vi()lette www.loooppool.info ps I should have a new webpage up for Purple Hand CD but it will have to be after my Japan tour at the end of May. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 06:27:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SAJx721062; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:19:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050428080643.02b1c7c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:09:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: help with controllers In-Reply-To: <200504272058.j3RKw1L01011@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200504272058.j3RKw1L01011@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >PIR to midi setup but i really have no idea, and i htink now the room will >be too small for such a setup. PIRs will detect in a small area if you shade them appropriately andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 07:28:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SBQF130983; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:26:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:26:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c54be4$fc229a40$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <002301c54bc1$3f3b7640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Music Video for Purple Hand Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:25:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, i've download your video file. I think you're interested to know that I can't open it, till i've renamed it (ther's a "&" or a " ' " that create mistakes). I like it. There are wonderfull morphing effects, plants exploding, etc...and it's perfectly in sync with the music. Great Job ! Fabio http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl http://stage.vitaminic.it/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: Music Video for Purple Hand > I'm very proud to announce that David Tristram has directed a new > digitally animated video for the song "Sumpin' Funky I Cooked Up Tonight" > from my new abstract electronica release, 'Purple Hand'. > > David is a fantastic live digital videographer who uses his own proprietary > visual software. He has amongst many, many career performances been > responsible for > a lot of the live video work for the Woodstockhausen Festivals of Esorteric > Music and the > Y2K3 Live Looping Festival. You can read more about his artistry and > career at: > www.tristram.com > > If you are interested you can download a compressed copy of the video for > free at www.looppool.info/purple_hand/ > It's a hefty 64 megs so download it in the evening. > > I'm incredibly pleased with how it came out. It is my first official music > video...............woooohoooooo!! > > > yours, Rick Walker > aka l()()p.p()()l aka Purple Hand aka Ultra Vi()lette > www.loooppool.info > > > > ps I should have a new webpage up for Purple Hand CD but it will have to > be after my Japan tour at the end of May. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 09:14:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SD9Us18131; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:09:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:09:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=xNOlbFcw/qFR5x3otbaGDDCmzyIgP4zD8hqP0Z1zte5OSwx/Wm2IjlpaDANXKbI3oTRvO1pGHR23EgHqaoGlcUc7SZozE4dacf1S08rh/sWbpAeDWj0vWAblpwc0COHjA5ELOFsNjg3MDSzXtxxD2H+UNwN1Q0x/tl0juMNfRn8= ; Message-ID: <20050428130814.65553.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:08:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind-stick Devil Subject: Re: Meta beeps & boops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-351736848-1114693694=:64454" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-351736848-1114693694=:64454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is so witty, I just shat in my pants. Scott Drengsen wrote:Hilarious Chris..THANK YOU!!! On Wednesday, April 27, 2005, at 08:11 PM, Chris Muir wrote: > > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are paid to some > folks wklemmer1-bashing that frequently is essentially self-indulgent > barbs with short sentences, galaxy-sized fonts and whitespace. > > But for wklemmer1-bashing with incredibly creative verbal invective > (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the collective. Is it me? > > -C > > -- > Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status > quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, > http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-351736848-1114693694=:64454 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

This is so witty, I just shat in my pants.

Scott Drengsen <kungha@earthlink.net> wrote:

Hilarious Chris..THANK YOU!!!
On Wednesday, April 27, 2005, at 08:11 PM, Chris Muir wrote:

>
> I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are paid to some
> folks wklemmer1-bashing that frequently is essentially self-indulgent
> barbs with short sentences, galaxy-sized fonts and whitespace.
>
> But for wklemmer1-bashing with incredibly creative verbal invective
> (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the collective. Is it me?
>
> -C
>
> --
> Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status
> quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree,
> http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno
>

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-351736848-1114693694=:64454-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 11:22:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SFCbg06913; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:12:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:12:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=e66NABhRg+0blqsggzuhEslKw28gCMq5SzCF5f1BGHBHSDIuiMnUfc2H2EyNW/FV6fBhnrb7/96fp460en7TMwfl57MTNqcpjYH5DdVO+m9kXJxbyLH6KTTHpV5F82nQdUCje3ilspBmAUpF42WK9uXDNNpBEpcMPFQzn6XLD2E= ; Message-ID: <20050428151124.96525.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:11:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Joyce Subject: Re: LD CD Vol.3 project To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh dear, it looks like I've missed an opportunity here. Sunao, please could you add me to the reserve list, just in case anyone drops out ? Many thanks XISTH (aka G Joyce) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: LD CD Vol.3 project Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:12:35 +0900 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Loopers, I talked with Kim Frint about Looper's Delight Compilation CD Volume 3. and I got his permission. I would like to organize Looper's Delight Compilation CD Volume 3. basic plan is: (this is almost same as Vol.2) 1 CD, 15 or 16 artists. Song length is 4min 30sec maximum per each. CD pressing is 1000 pieces total. CD cover is 4pages booklet. Any music style is OK, but it restricts to LD list subscribers only. About cost, Participating artists pay US$125 per each. (Paypal or international money order) and 30 CDs is free for participating artists. (I will send 30 CDs via air mail (parcel post), $125 is includes shipping cost for world wide) If artists needs more CDs, I can sell it by $5 per each(not includes shipping cost). it will release from my label,electr-ohm,Japan. I can sell it my online CD shop C.U.E. records, but I can not pay a royalty to a participant. I can do mastering and CD cover design and care of CD pressing and send CDs to artists. Schedule is: Release in 2005. Song deadline is 31st August 2005.Please arrive by then.(Audio or data CDR, DAT or upload) Vol.1 released in'95 and Vol.2 released in'98, I think LD subscriber want to hear new one... Please let me know any opinion,question etc etc.. Talk you soon Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 12:42:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SGcVo22757; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:38:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:38:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050428163717.46695.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:37:17 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No need, I saw her this morning turning tricks out in front of the Lincoln tunnel and she said if she didn't have such an idiotic son she may not have turned to a life of prostitution. Wee! This is fun! --- Wind-stick Devil wrote: > I'm calling my mommy! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa > > Doug Cox wrote:A lot of people are > trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I > say f*ck that. > > You're an idiot. Go try to find a pointless fight > somewhere else. > > Without even listening to your music, I'm going to > predict that it > utterly SUCKS. > > Prove me wrong, kid. > > Dig > > Wind-stick Devil wrote: > > > Ahhh. Go back to watching Hannity & Colmes or the > O'Reilly Show! > > > > */mark sottilaro /* wrote: > > > > So, why are you hiding your incredibly creative > > instrumental licks? Lay it on us, my friend. > > > > My feelings about critisism are unless it's asked > for > > or you're being asked to pay money to hear > something, > > don't. Most of the posters are not professionals > and > > do it as a hobby for fun. I'm one of those people. > I > > also ask for comments and except them, but usually > > they're a lot more elequent than "too much > noodling." > > That's why I'm on this list. Most of the members > are > > great and I've learned a LOT from them. Some here > my > > enjoy my music, some may not. I hope those who > hate > > it ignore it and those who like it savor it. > > > > Why cut down someone's music for no reason? Don't > > listen to them if you don't like them. It's one > thing > > to buy someone's CD and say, "I didn't like this > > because of x." and another to generalize and make > a > > rude commen! t with no information to back it up. > Let > > me answer my question. Because agression is a > great > > way to mask weakness. My cat taught me this. (a 16 > > pound lump of cat-chub dominates a 75lb pitbull > mix in > > my home) So, back it up Mr. Wind-Stick and show us > > your amazing music. > > > > Mark > > > > --- Wind-stick Devil wrote: > > > Well, 'site' referring to some of the MP3's or > links > > > pointing to MP3's, et al from some of the > posters to > > > LD. > > > > > > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs > are > > > paid to some folks music that frequently is > > > essentially self-indulgent noodling with long > > > delays, galaxy-sized reverb patches and ebows. > > > > > > But for music with incredibly creative > instrumental > > > licks (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from > the > > > collective. Is it me? > > > > > > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/24/05 4:36:13 PM, > > > wklemmer1@yaho! o.com writes: > > > > > > > > > A lot of the music I auditioned from the site > > > > > > > > > what site? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 12:47:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SFfom11046; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:41:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:41:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050426231335.62869.qmail@web50805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050426231335.62869.qmail@web50805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:41:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <4GMHaD.A.crC.YQQcCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Apr 26, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Wind-stick Devil wrote: > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are paid to some > folks music that frequently is essentially self-indulgent noodling > with long delays, galaxy-sized reverb patches and ebows. > You should know that there are list rules that say only Kim Flint gets to complain about e-bows. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 13:46:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SHgdZ08749; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:42:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:42:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050428174106.43217.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:41:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Music Video for Purple Hand To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice Rick, really nice. While the video was nice eye candy, I have to say I really enjoyed the tune. Why not post a link where such a CD can be purchased? Mark --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I'm very proud to announce that David Tristram has > directed a new > digitally animated video for the song "Sumpin' > Funky I Cooked Up Tonight" > from my new abstract electronica release, 'Purple > Hand'. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 14:04:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SI06q12980; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:00:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:00:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1f4.8bf2653.2fa27e6d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:59:09 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20=A0=20Music=20Video=20for=20Purple=20Hand?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f4.8bf2653.2fa27e6d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <8CFVcC.A.dHD.9RScCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1f4.8bf2653.2fa27e6d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick, In a message dated 04/28/05 1:18:13, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > I'm very proud to announce that David Tristram has directed a new > digitally animated video for the song "Sumpin' Funky I Cooked Up=20 > Tonight" from my new abstract electronica release, 'Purple Hand'. >=20 Way to go Rick! BTW, it's 138MB (not 64) -- thank goodnes I've got cable. Even so, it took several minutes to download. It's well worth the wait. Congratulations!!! I simply MUST order a copy of your CD today. I've waited for too long. Life keeps intruding and distracting (as it does for all of us) time passes,= =20 memory fades and good intentions (sincerely profered) sadly get waylaid.=20 I meant to buy your CD a while back and apparently did not. Cripes! I can only, humbly, beg your pardon and forgiveness on that. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1f4.8bf2653.2fa27e6d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick,

In a message dated 04/28/05 1:18:13, looppool@cruzio.com writes:

I'm very proud to anno= unce that David Tristram has directed a new
digitally animated video for the song "Sumpin' Funky I Cooked Up
Tonight" from my new abstract electronica release, 'Purple Hand'.

Way to go Rick! BTW, it's 138MB (not 64) -- thank goodnes I've got cable. Even so, it took several minutes to download. It's well worth the wait.
Congratulations!!!

I simply MUST order a copy of your CD today. I've waited for too long.
Life keeps intruding and distracting (as it does for all of us) time passes,=
memory fades and good intentions (sincerely profered) sadly get waylaid.
I meant to buy your CD a while back and apparently did not. Cripes! I can only, humbly, beg your pardon and forgiveness on that.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
--part1_1f4.8bf2653.2fa27e6d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 14:33:21 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SIRWF17453; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:27:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=YWjDRtRkQlyCxChtspidsQJcNVkmDt1GHdCP4bKSyMbh7Obc+qIEwVKyJFY2ZNEWb/xtqhIyjf0Y/UVVvETYidKR3JTx3oIeIHIH4mKxF4/FJNt8NBmYHEih//6+mpKmhrM0sWlW2LFeo1Y7t5eKnFN9n5aZKMICAxWCyXLCxdY= ; Message-ID: <20050428182531.30877.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:25:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind-stick Devil Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050428163717.46695.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-570937434-1114712731=:29744" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-570937434-1114712731=:29744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You must be thinking of YOUR mother! Nyahhh! Hehehe mark sottilaro wrote: No need, I saw her this morning turning tricks out in front of the Lincoln tunnel and she said if she didn't have such an idiotic son she may not have turned to a life of prostitution. Wee! This is fun! --- Wind-stick Devil wrote: > I'm calling my mommy! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa > > Doug Cox wrote:A lot of people are > trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I > say f*ck that. > > You're an idiot. Go try to find a pointless fight > somewhere else. > > Without even listening to your music, I'm going to > predict that it > utterly SUCKS. > > Prove me wrong, kid. > > Dig > > Wind-stick Devil wrote: > > > Ahhh. Go back to watching Hannity & Colmes or the > O'Reilly Show! > > > > */mark sottilaro /* wrote: > > > > So, why are you hiding your incredibly creative > > instrumental licks? Lay it on us, my friend. > > > > My feelings about critisism are unless it's asked > for > > or you're being asked to pay money to hear > something, > > don't. Most of the posters are not professionals > and > > do it as a hobby for fun. I'm one of those people. > I > > also ask for comments and except them, but usually > > they're a lot more elequent than "too much > noodling." > > That's why I'm on this list. Most of the members > are > > great and I've learned a LOT from them. Some here > my > > enjoy my music, some may not. I hope those who > hate > > it ignore it and those who like it savor it. > > > > Why cut down someone's music for no reason? Don't > > listen to them if you don't like them. It's one > thing > > to buy someone's CD and say, "I didn't like this > > because of x." and another to generalize and make > a > > rude commen! t with no information to back it up. > Let > > me answer my question. Because agression is a > great > > way to mask weakness. My cat taught me this. (a 16 > > pound lump of cat-chub dominates a 75lb pitbull > mix in > > my home) So, back it up Mr. Wind-Stick and show us > > your amazing music. > > > > Mark > > > > --- Wind-stick Devil wrote: > > > Well, 'site' referring to some of the MP3's or > links > > > pointing to MP3's, et al from some of the > posters to > > > LD. > > > > > > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs > are > > > paid to some folks music that frequently is > > > essentially self-indulgent noodling with long > > > delays, galaxy-sized reverb patches and ebows. > > > > > > But for music with incredibly creative > instrumental > > > licks (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from > the > > > collective. Is it me? > > > > > > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/24/05 4:36:13 PM, > > > wklemmer1@yaho! o.com writes: > > > > > > > > > A lot of the music I auditioned from the site > > > > > > > > > what site? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-570937434-1114712731=:29744 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

You must be thinking of YOUR mother! Nyahhh!

Hehehe

mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

No need, I saw her this morning turning tricks out in
front of the Lincoln tunnel and she said if she didn't
have such an idiotic son she may not have turned to a
life of prostitution.

Wee! This is fun!

--- Wind-stick Devil wrote:
> I'm calling my mommy! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>
> Doug Cox wrote:A lot of people are
> trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I
> say f*ck that.
>
> You're an idiot. Go try to find a pointless fight
> somewhere else.
>
> Without even listening to your music, I'm going to
> predict that it
> utterly SUCKS.
>
> Prove me wrong, kid.
>
> Dig
>
> Wind-stick Devil wrote:
>
> > Ahhh. Go back to watching Hannity & Colmes or the
> O'Reilly Show!
> >
> > */mark sottilaro /* wrote:
> >
> > So, why are you hiding your incredibly creative
> > instrumental licks? Lay it on us, my friend.
> >
> > My feelings about critisism are unless it's asked
> for
> > or you're being asked to pay money to hear
> something,
> > don't. Most of the posters are not professionals
> and
> > do it as a hobby for fun. I'm one of those people.
> I
> > also ask for comments and except them, but usually
> > they're a lot more elequent than "too much
> noodling."
> > That's why I'm on this list. Most of the members
> are
> > great and I've learned a LOT from them. Some here
> my
> > enjoy my music, some may not. I hope those who
> hate
> > it ignore it and those who like it savor it.
> >
> > Why cut down someone's music for no reason? Don't
> > listen to them if you don't like them. It's one
> thing
> > to buy someone's CD and say, "I didn't like this
> > because of x." and another to generalize and make
> a
> > rude commen! t with no information to back it up.
> Let
> > me answer my question. Because agression is a
> great
> > way to mask weakness. My cat taught me this. (a 16
> > pound lump of cat-chub dominates a 75lb pitbull
> mix in
> > my home) So, back it up Mr. Wind-Stick and show us
> > your amazing music.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --- Wind-stick Devil wrote:
> > > Well, 'site' referring to some of the MP3's or
> links
> > > pointing to MP3's, et al from some of the
> posters to
> > > LD.
> > >
> > > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs
> are
> > > paid to some folks music that frequently is
> > > essentially self-indulgent noodling with long
> > > delays, galaxy-sized reverb patches and ebows.
> > >
> > > But for music with incredibly creative
> instrumental
> > > licks (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from
> the
> > > collective. Is it me?
> > >
> > > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 4/24/05 4:36:13 PM,
> > > wklemmer1@yaho! o.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > A lot of the music I auditioned from the site
> > >
> > >
> > > what site?
> > >
> __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > > protection around
> > > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
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> protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-570937434-1114712731=:29744-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 15:27:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SJMCB28057; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:22:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050428182531.30877.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050428182531.30877.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:21:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1097406418==_ma============" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1097406418==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Wow! This might be Looper's Delight's first "I'm rubber, you're glue..." moment. Savor it. -C At 11:25 AM -0700 4/28/05, Wind-stick Devil wrote: >You must be thinking of YOUR mother! Nyahhh! > > Hehehe > >mark sottilaro wrote: > >No need, I saw her this morning turning tricks out in >front of the Lincoln tunnel and she said if she didn't >have such an idiotic son she may not have turned to a >life of prostitution. > >Wee! This is fun! -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno --============_-1097406418==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Too many beeps & boops

Wow! This might be Looper's Delight's first "I'm rubber, you're glue..." moment.

Savor it.

-C

At 11:25 AM -0700 4/28/05, Wind-stick Devil wrote:

You must be thinking of YOUR mother! Nyahhh!

Hehehe

mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

No need, I saw her this morning turning tricks out in
front of the Lincoln tunnel and she said if she didn't
have such an idiotic son she may not have turned to a
life of prostitution.

Wee! This is fun!

--

Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree,
http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno

--============_-1097406418==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 15:37:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SJWQW30698; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:32:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:32:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:19:29 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: LD CD Vol.3 project To: Guy Joyce , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005701c54c29$25eebc20$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050428151124.96525.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A thought: Rather than base the content of LD CD Vol. 3 on a mere "I was first on line" basis, why not allow another fifteen contributors and give Sunao the unenviable task of choosing amongst the contributions? I'd suggest a focus on 1) A variety of contributions, and 2) Contributions that contrast with what's on Vols. 1 and 2. I would happily give up my slot on Vol. 3 if someone else did substantially the same thing as me, only better. What I wish for LD CD 3 is to turn more people onto the looping universe, not to promote my product. (I just happen to believe that I have a different spin on looping that *will* turn more onto our joyous world. But y'know, if someone else just happens to do the same thing better, let them have the slot.) Sunao (and co-loopers), please let us know what you think. I totally respect your wishes and your approach to this project because you initiated it and are doing all the hard work of creating it. But perhaps choosing amongst a pool of contributors (instead of who happened to be at their computers during the first rush of submissions) might raise the quality of the final product. dB, coyote > Oh dear, it looks like I've missed an opportunity here. > > Sunao, please could you add me to the reserve list, just in case anyone drops out ? > > Many thanks > XISTH (aka G Joyce) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > From: Sunao Inami > Subject: LD CD Vol.3 project > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:12:35 +0900 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > Hi Loopers, > > I talked with Kim Frint about > Looper's Delight Compilation CD Volume 3. > and I got his permission. > > I would like to organize Looper's Delight Compilation CD Volume 3. > > basic plan is: > (this is almost same as Vol.2) > > 1 CD, 15 or 16 artists. > Song length is 4min 30sec maximum per each. > CD pressing is 1000 pieces total. > CD cover is 4pages booklet. > Any music style is OK, but it restricts to LD list subscribers only. > > About cost, > Participating artists pay US$125 per each. (Paypal or international > money order) > and 30 CDs is free for participating artists. > (I will send 30 CDs via air mail (parcel post), $125 is includes > shipping cost for world wide) > If artists needs more CDs, I can sell it by $5 per each(not includes > shipping cost). > > > it will release from my label,electr-ohm,Japan. > I can sell it my online CD shop C.U.E. records, but I can not pay a > royalty to a participant. > > I can do mastering and CD cover design and care of CD pressing and > send CDs to artists. > > Schedule is: > Release in 2005. > Song deadline is 31st August 2005.Please arrive by then.(Audio or > data CDR, DAT or upload) > > Vol.1 released in'95 and Vol.2 released in'98, I think LD subscriber > want to hear new one... > > Please let me know any opinion,question etc etc.. > > Talk you soon > > Sunao Inami > http://www.cavestudio.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 15:45:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SJcv131855; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:38:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:38:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050428193820.24390.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:38:20 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: LD CD Vol.3 project To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, maybe I'll compile a LD CD Vol 3.5 of all the people who didn't get picked. I'll only charge $100 for a submission and an extra fifty cents for each CD I sell to cover my gear habit. Maybe I should auction slots on ebay and see if I can really make some money. I'm going to need a Repeater MkII, of course. Mark --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > A thought: > Rather than base the content of LD CD Vol. 3 on > a mere "I was first on > line" basis, why not allow another fifteen > contributors and give Sunao the > unenviable task of choosing amongst the > contributions? I'd suggest a focus > on 1) A variety of contributions, and 2) > Contributions that contrast with > what's on Vols. 1 and 2. I would happily give up my > slot on Vol. 3 if > someone else did substantially the same thing as me, > only better. What I > wish for LD CD 3 is to turn more people onto the > looping universe, not to > promote my product. (I just happen to believe that I > have a different spin > on looping that *will* turn more onto our joyous > world. But y'know, if > someone else just happens to do the same thing > better, let them have the > slot.) > Sunao (and co-loopers), please let us know what > you think. I totally > respect your wishes and your approach to this > project because you initiated > it and are doing all the hard work of creating it. > But perhaps choosing > amongst a pool of contributors (instead of who > happened to be at their > computers during the first rush of submissions) > might raise the quality of > the final product. > dB, coyote > > > > Oh dear, it looks like I've missed an opportunity > here. > > > > Sunao, please could you add me to the reserve > list, just in case anyone > drops out ? > > > > Many thanks > > XISTH (aka G Joyce) > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > From: Sunao Inami > > Subject: LD CD Vol.3 project > > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:12:35 +0900 > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > Hi Loopers, > > > > I talked with Kim Frint about > > Looper's Delight Compilation CD Volume 3. > > and I got his permission. > > > > I would like to organize Looper's Delight > Compilation CD Volume 3. > > > > basic plan is: > > (this is almost same as Vol.2) > > > > 1 CD, 15 or 16 artists. > > Song length is 4min 30sec maximum per each. > > CD pressing is 1000 pieces total. > > CD cover is 4pages booklet. > > Any music style is OK, but it restricts to LD list > subscribers only. > > > > About cost, > > Participating artists pay US$125 per each. (Paypal > or international > > money order) > > and 30 CDs is free for participating artists. > > (I will send 30 CDs via air mail (parcel post), > $125 is includes > > shipping cost for world wide) > > If artists needs more CDs, I can sell it by $5 per > each(not includes > > shipping cost). > > > > > > it will release from my label,electr-ohm,Japan. > > I can sell it my online CD shop C.U.E. records, > but I can not pay a > > royalty to a participant. > > > > I can do mastering and CD cover design and care of > CD pressing and > > send CDs to artists. > > > > Schedule is: > > Release in 2005. > > Song deadline is 31st August 2005.Please arrive by > then.(Audio or > > data CDR, DAT or upload) > > > > Vol.1 released in'95 and Vol.2 released in'98, I > think LD subscriber > > want to hear new one... > > > > Please let me know any opinion,question etc etc.. > > > > Talk you soon > > > > Sunao Inami > > http://www.cavestudio.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 17:24:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SLJut16757; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:19:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:19:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050428193820.24390.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050428193820.24390.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:22:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: LD CD Vol.3 project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on net.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've missed the first two releases, so I am curious about how all this works. Is this a CD available for general release and distribution as a commercial (albeit very small commercial) venture? Or is it a convenient "in house" way for all of us to get to know each other outside of posted mp3s? The reason I ask is that I did a series of releases (starting with cassettes before CDs were able to be made by mere mortals) for The Bottom Line, a bass players' mailing list. Each submitter got charged a small discount from the for sale price (ranged from $6-8 depending on the format, etc) and it was advertised on TBL. I did all the assembly and mastering myself and broke even financially and probably lost money when my time was factored in. However, there were several TBL'ers who became apoplectic at the idea that they were being charged for the privilege of being included, even though it meant they got heard by the anyone who purchased it and the purchase price did include their own copy. For the LD release, what does the $125 go to and is there an expectation of profit at some point? Lastly, where can I get copies of the first two releases? Edwin PS Is there anyone in DenBo who might be interested in sharing a show? -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 17:38:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SLX9Y19679; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:33:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:33:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Az3OYC00FbAcBegBj5vMtFe6pPH7pWw/SwvYwObqILaTHSh1n04Q2MGcl9yEwWzTGZUn8FZl7UiMKX1pn5KXfIOEB3KOLHtNG+/BABPF9fo+2kbDH2lhFjOdnFaJo1lqXIAVdmRMHR5j9IedQTQiMYOBveYxRHMGV0gUpZB/Tos= ; Message-ID: <20050428213234.9705.qmail@web50010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Marshall Subject: Re: Newest ORB cd??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1495356919-1114723953=:9218" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1495356919-1114723953=:9218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii that's the latest. It just took me a while to pick it up I guess. I love most of it, especially The Land of Green Ginger and the obvious Detroit influenced one. (title escapes me now) Marc Doudican wrote: What is the latest. Bicylces and Tricycles or does he have a newer one? On Apr 27, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Marc Marshall wrote: > anybody care to discuss the relative merits (or not) of the newest Orb > cd? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1495356919-1114723953=:9218 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

that's the latest. It just took me a while to pick it up I guess. I love most of it, especially The Land of Green Ginger and the obvious Detroit influenced one. (title escapes me now)

Marc Doudican <skysaboveskys@cox.net> wrote:

What is the latest. Bicylces and Tricycles or does he have a newer one?
On Apr 27, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Marc Marshall wrote:

> anybody care to discuss the relative merits (or not) of the newest Orb
> cd?
>
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1495356919-1114723953=:9218-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 17:43:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SLdWT20734; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:39:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:39:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Music Video for Purple Hand Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:38:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002301c54bc1$3f3b7640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5sUIaD.A.JBF.efVcCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Awesome, I can't wait to see it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 12:08 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Music Video for Purple Hand I'm very proud to announce that David Tristram has directed a new digitally animated video for the song "Sumpin' Funky I Cooked Up Tonight" from my new abstract electronica release, 'Purple Hand'. David is a fantastic live digital videographer who uses his own proprietary visual software. He has amongst many, many career performances been responsible for a lot of the live video work for the Woodstockhausen Festivals of Esorteric Music and the Y2K3 Live Looping Festival. You can read more about his artistry and career at: www.tristram.com If you are interested you can download a compressed copy of the video for free at www.looppool.info/purple_hand/ It's a hefty 64 megs so download it in the evening. I'm incredibly pleased with how it came out. It is my first official music video...............woooohoooooo!! yours, Rick Walker aka l()()p.p()()l aka Purple Hand aka Ultra Vi()lette www.loooppool.info ps I should have a new webpage up for Purple Hand CD but it will have to be after my Japan tour at the end of May. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 17:44:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SLfUm21071; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:41:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:41:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c801c54c3a$f2376d20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT $posting$" Subject: PURPLE HAND VIDEO and CD: ordering info Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:40:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for all the good feedback guys on the video. I love it myself and think that David did a stellar job. I love that despite being entirely digitally generated that it is quite organic in feel. That's what I'm trying to do analagously with my abstract electronica as well so it's a nice match, hopefully. And I'll have a page up for PURPLE HAND as soon as I can (I'm a really novice when it comes to my website and until recently I have depended on my beautiful and talented wife, Chris Wedertz to do all the design and upkeep. In the meantime if any one wants to order it. The cost is $15 in the United States, Canada and Mexico and $20 USD outside of the Western Hemisphere.. For an extra ten smackers I'll send you the hi res copy of the video as well. You can't even what a big file that is. That's why you have to see Davids' work live as well. He's amazing! www.tristram.com My paypal account is looppool@cruzio.com Thanks for the support. Coming from our community it means more than most. yours, gratefully, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 18:02:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SLvV623247; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:57:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:57:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050428215552.41025.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:55:52 -0700 (PDT) From: scott sikon Subject: EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, does anyone know where I can find a used EDP? thanks, scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 18:04:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SLwtn23400; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:58:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:58:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <42715CF6.6000606@unguitar.com> Disposition-Notification-To: Luca Formentini Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:00:22 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: central cd shop References: <200504251815.j3PIFcR15093@minds-eye.org> <3110.142.106.248.76.1114453173.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Edwin, sorry for late reply. Yes, this could be a good way to go and it's nice to have put this idea. I think that there would be the need to *feel the need* from the group, as I think this project should come out as an extension of LD, as an additional resource to offer to those who want to get closer to the world of looping. But I don't see that big enthusiasm here, and I am very surprised about this. Let's see. luca www.unguitar.com Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > If we don't mind a lower profile distributor, we might look into Cage > Free Records (www.cagefreerecords.com). A guitar player I work with > runs it and is very open to all kinds of ventures. > > Edwin > > > At 2:19 PM -0400 4/25/05, scott@dreamstate.to wrote: > >> CD Baby *does* take CDrs. >> They may very well be open to a "looping" category. >> >> Scott M2 >> >>>> I am just thinking that a "loopers cd shop" would be a very >>> >>> interesting thing to do. >>> >>> Seems to me that the easiest option would be to check and see if >>> CDBaby >>> (or similar) would be willing to create a tag for a loopers-delight >>> kind >>> of category and link to that aggregate part of their store from the >>> Loopers-Delight page. Otherwise, the logistics of creating, storing, >>> collecting money, mailing, accounting, etc., are likely to be pretty >>> daunting for anyone doing this casually (especially if it really >>> generates much interest). >>> >>> Does anyone know if CDBaby sell CDRs or just manufactured discs? >>> >>> Anyway, its just a quick thought. >>> >> > Kevin >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 18:08:10 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SM4KP25651; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:04:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:04:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GPueTVg3bqWtYXEbV95gU/H0+1uJoE1GXwkmmrGTnuecQt9RNQIfEDwrAGdKW6Rs5bO2EUrGps1sJyPDRrDLN/9XCFyNcTPE2nKnJ8wWXY3h0EqntVvoQ4+UfCtnOBCyp/HB81zKJiq/1dJEihul2UKKlIqIOY/6BVjV0DSLiLk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:03:50 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP In-Reply-To: <20050428215552.41025.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050428215552.41025.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j3SM3tx25581 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com email this posting to a friend Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro FULLY UPGRADED! - $650 Reply to: robsmuzic@aol.com Date: 2005-04-26, 10:46AM PDT OBERHEIM ECHOPLEX DIGITAL PRO with LOOP IV upgrade and memory upgrade, as well!!!! Includes original footpedal. Besides its age, this is basically the same echoplex as a brand new Gibson Echoplex with all of the upgrades. Works perfectly. Has a couple of minor scratches on the footpedal and minor rack rash from being in a smoke-free studio. I have never used this out in public! Have only owned it for one month and have decided to go a different direction musically. Here are some of the great options with it... EDP+ w/LOOPIV The Echoplex Digital Pro Plus features LoopIV, the fourth-generation LoopTM software from Aurisis Research. On 4/28/05, scott sikon wrote: > Hi, does anyone know where I can find a used EDP? > thanks, scott > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 18:39:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SMVrI30526; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:31:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:31:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:33:15 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20050428215552.41025.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <82CD5A18-B835-11D9-81B9-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an older Oberheim (maxed out memory upgradable to loop 4) I'll sell for 550.00 sans footpedal.I'm also open to some trades.. On Thursday, April 28, 2005, at 02:55 PM, scott sikon wrote: > Hi, does anyone know where I can find a used EDP? > thanks, scott > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 19:34:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SNUbD08106; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:30:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:30:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c54c4a$1fe8ab80$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <20050427221826.85636.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> <42702B56.6060508@pdq.net> Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:29:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <7rXzCB.A.T8B.4HXcCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm afraid that the typing of this message is about as much effort I'm going to expend on the poor ignorant chap. I remember when I was a young putz, opinionated, soft and un-formed, rejecting most suggestions of new music that friends occasionally thought I'd dig (I still can't stand sales pitches!), Years later I went back and apologized for being so dumb and contrary, having since then learned to love the music of several major influences on my work today. But that's about it. "Doug Cox" put forth: >A lot of people are trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I say >f*ck that. > > You're an idiot. Go try to find a pointless fight somewhere else. > > Without even listening to your music, I'm going to predict that it utterly > SUCKS. > > Prove me wrong, kid. > > Dig > > Wind-stick Devil wrote: > >> Ahhh. Go back to watching Hannity & Colmes or the O'Reilly Show! >> >> */mark sottilaro /* wrote: >> >> So, why are you hiding your incredibly creative >> instrumental licks? Lay it on us, my friend. >> >> My feelings about critisism are unless it's asked for >> or you're being asked to pay money to hear something, >> don't. Most of the posters are not professionals and >> do it as a hobby for fun. I'm one of those people. I >> also ask for comments and except them, but usually >> they're a lot more elequent than "too much noodling." >> That's why I'm on this list. Most of the members are >> great and I've learned a LOT from them. Some here my >> enjoy my music, some may not. I hope those who hate >> it ignore it and those who like it savor it. >> >> Why cut down someone's music for no reason? Don't >> listen to them if you don't like them. It's one thing >> to buy someone's CD and say, "I didn't like this >> because of x." and another to generalize and make a >> rude commen! t with no information to back it up. Let >> me answer my question. Because agression is a great >> way to mask weakness. My cat taught me this. (a 16 >> pound lump of cat-chub dominates a 75lb pitbull mix in >> my home) So, back it up Mr. Wind-Stick and show us >> your amazing music. >> >> Mark >> >> --- Wind-stick Devil wrote: >> > Well, 'site' referring to some of the MP3's or links >> > pointing to MP3's, et al from some of the posters to >> > LD. >> > >> > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are >> > paid to some folks music that frequently is >> > essentially self-indulgent noodling with long >> > delays, galaxy-sized reverb patches and ebows. >> > >> > But for music with incredibly creative instrumental >> > licks (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the >> > collective. Is it me? >> > >> > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >> > >> > In a message dated 4/24/05 4:36:13 PM, >> > wklemmer1@yaho! o.com writes: >> > >> > >> > A lot of the music I auditioned from the site >> > >> > >> > what site? >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 19:39:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3SNZYo08964; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:35:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:35:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b301c54c4a$cb7c77b0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <002301c54bc1$3f3b7640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Music Video for Purple Hand Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:34:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 08:08 AM Subject: Music Video for Purple Hand > I'm very proud to announce that David Tristram has directed a new > digitally animated video for the song "Sumpin' Funky I Cooked Up Tonight" > from my new abstract electronica release, 'Purple Hand'. > > David is a fantastic live digital videographer who uses his own > proprietary > visual software. He has amongst many, many career performances been > responsible for > a lot of the live video work for the Woodstockhausen Festivals of > Esorteric Music and the > Y2K3 Live Looping Festival. You can read more about his artistry and > career at: > www.tristram.com > > If you are interested you can download a compressed copy of the video for > free at www.looppool.info/purple_hand/ > It's a hefty 64 megs so download it in the evening. Hm, a bit bigger my man. The index she say 138MB. Will it be up there for a while? We're upgrading to 1MB in the next few months... :P > I'm incredibly pleased with how it came out. It is my first official > music video...............woooohoooooo!! > > > yours, Rick Walker > aka l()()p.p()()l aka Purple Hand aka Ultra Vi()lette > www.loooppool.info > > > > ps I should have a new webpage up for Purple Hand CD but it will have to > be after my Japan tour at the end of May. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 20:41:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3T0cxh19476; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:38:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:38:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:35:38 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performances this weekend at two rock events Somerville, MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video projections at 2 events on 4.29 and 4.30. 4.29. with Mission of Burma at the Somerville Theatre. I've heard that the show is sold out, so come to Saturday's instead-:) 4.30 EXPLODING PLASTIC INCREDIBLE Saturday, April 30, at the Sky Bar in Somerville, Mass. Details from the producer, Timothy Mungenast ,below. At 9:42 PM -0400 4/15/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: >Goatness unto you! > >We at Goat River Productions want to remind you of Tim Mungenast's >first show in 6 months, the multimedia/multiband EXPLODING PLASTIC >INCREDIBLE Saturday, April 30, at the Sky Bar in Somerville, Mass. >Abunai! alumnus Joe Turner will be filling in for Jon Proudman on >drums; Joe's bandmate Kris Thompson will be playing keys on 2 songs; >Cul de Sac veteran Michael Bloom will continue to do that >low-frequency hoodoo that he do so well; Mac Randall of NYC >band Fuller will be co-guitaring on 2 or 3 numbers; and Cheryl from >Dreamchild will donate her lovely high harmonies. >And there is SO MUCH MORE. READ ON! > >SATURDAY >04/30/2005 08:00 PM - Sky Bar > >Somerville Ave, Somerville, MA 02143 >witness the EXPLODING PLASTIC INCREDIBLE: a MULTIMEDIA PSYCH >EXTRAVAGANZA (21+) featuring >* a LIGHT SHOW by the amazing DOCTOR T., >* between-band SITAR courtesy of Mac Randall (guitarist for Fuller & >author of "Exit Music," the Radiohead biography), >* the bizarre spoken-word stylings of ASTRO AL, >*the goatar-driven psych of TIM MUNGENAST & His Pre-existing Conditions, >*the dark, brooding, mystic instrumentals of MAGONIA, >*and headlining the show will be avant-jam heroes MEATHAWK . -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 21:00:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3T0vem21810; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:57:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:57:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=Xji9i8UUYjC1173YQtQM3Z04F4/URLIyI7TvY257Q6XgWWz/f1TSBmgOLxwZxfhv; Message-ID: <410-22005452905958730@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: "astroal" Subject: RE: Video Performances this weekend at two rock events Somerville, MA Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:59:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9407c9061a9425dd76ea9a045c71bf496a0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.160.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Emile. Every bit of promo helps! Jeez..... you AND Burma together? Dangerous....... > [Original Message] > From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) > To: > Cc: ; ; ; ; > Date: 4/28/2005 8:39:08 PM > Subject: Video Performances this weekend at two rock events Somerville, MA > > Hi folks, > > I'll be doing video projections at 2 events on 4.29 and 4.30. > > 4.29. with Mission of Burma at the Somerville Theatre. I've heard > that the show is sold out, so come to Saturday's instead-:) > > 4.30 EXPLODING PLASTIC INCREDIBLE Saturday, April 30, at the Sky > Bar in Somerville, Mass. Details from the producer, Timothy > Mungenast ,below. > > At 9:42 PM -0400 4/15/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > >Goatness unto you! > > > >We at Goat River Productions want to remind you of Tim Mungenast's > >first show in 6 months, the multimedia/multiband EXPLODING PLASTIC > >INCREDIBLE Saturday, April 30, at the Sky Bar in Somerville, Mass. > >Abunai! alumnus Joe Turner will be filling in for Jon Proudman on > >drums; Joe's bandmate Kris Thompson will be playing keys on 2 songs; > >Cul de Sac veteran Michael Bloom will continue to do that > >low-frequency hoodoo that he do so well; Mac Randall of NYC > >band Fuller will be co-guitaring on 2 or 3 numbers; and Cheryl from > >Dreamchild will donate her lovely high harmonies. > >And there is SO MUCH MORE. READ ON! > > > >SATURDAY > >04/30/2005 08:00 PM - Sky Bar > > > >Somerville Ave, Somerville, MA 02143 > >witness the EXPLODING PLASTIC INCREDIBLE: a MULTIMEDIA PSYCH > >EXTRAVAGANZA (21+) featuring > >* a LIGHT SHOW by the amazing DOCTOR T., > >* between-band SITAR courtesy of Mac Randall (guitarist for Fuller & > >author of "Exit Music," the Radiohead biography), > >* the bizarre spoken-word stylings of ASTRO AL, > >*the goatar-driven psych of TIM MUNGENAST & His Pre-existing Conditions, > >*the dark, brooding, mystic instrumentals of MAGONIA, > >*and headlining the show will be avant-jam heroes MEATHAWK . > > > -- > " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 21:10:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3T17aW25005; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:07:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:07:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=r+kgyd7s2itPvlNNLCNTDWh5OqitAEZD9qYix+TN0q50ELxnd4vdt74XfxKKoEYc; Message-ID: <410-22005452911014720@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: basta! Re: Too many beeps & boops Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:10:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940992b1a23f67b7d8626e2576e4e4022e0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.160.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Chris writes: "Wow! This might be Looper's Delight's first "I'm rubber, you're glue..." moment. Savor it." Tim writes: Your response gave me some much-needed mirth, Chris. Now can we all please drive a stake in this thread? It seems even more acrimonious than the l'affaire Cooperman. Cheerios with milk, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Muir To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 4/28/2005 3:23:54 PM Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops Wow! This might be Looper's Delight's first "I'm rubber, you're glue..." moment. Savor it. -C At 11:25 AM -0700 4/28/05, Wind-stick Devil wrote: You must be thinking of YOUR mother! Nyahhh! Hehehe mark sottilaro wrote: No need, I saw her this morning turning tricks out in front of the Lincoln tunnel and she said if she didn't have such an idiotic son she may not have turned to a life of prostitution. Wee! This is fun! -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Re: Too many beeps & boops

Chris writes: "Wow! This might be Looper's Delight's first "I'm rubber, you're glue..." moment.

Savor it."

Tim writes: Your response gave me some much-needed mirth, Chris. Now can we all please drive a stake in this thread? It seems even more acrimonious than the l'affaire Cooperman.

Cheerios with milk,

Tim

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Muir

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Sent: 4/28/2005 3:23:54 PM

Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops

Wow! This might be Looper's Delight's first "I'm rubber, you're glue..." moment.

Savor it.

-C

At 11:25 AM -0700 4/28/05, Wind-stick Devil wrote:

You must be thinking of YOUR mother! Nyahhh!

Hehehe

mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

No need, I saw her this morning turning tricks out in
front of the Lincoln tunnel and she said if she didn't
have such an idiotic son she may not have turned to a
life of prostitution.

Wee! This is fun!

--

Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree,
http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 21:46:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3T1gwk29876; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:42:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:42:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <25509.1114738848625.JavaMail.root@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:40:48 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: mungenast@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: basta! Re: Too many beeps & boops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Too many beeps & boops

Thanks Tim. The Rodney King approach didn't seem to work.

-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Mungenast
Sent: Apr 28, 2005 7:10 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: basta! Re: Too many beeps & boops

Chris writes: "Wow! This might be Looper's Delight's first "I'm rubber, you're glue..." moment.

Savor it."

Tim writes: Your response gave me some much-needed mirth, Chris. Now can we all please drive a stake in this thread? It seems even more acrimonious than the l'affaire Cooperman.

Cheerios with milk,

Tim

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Muir

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Sent: 4/28/2005 3:23:54 PM

Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops

Wow! This might be Looper's Delight's first "I'm rubber, you're glue..." moment.

Savor it.

-C

At 11:25 AM -0700 4/28/05, Wind-stick Devil wrote:

You must be thinking of YOUR mother! Nyahhh!

Hehehe

mark sottilaro <marksottilaro@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

No need, I saw her this morning turning tricks out in
front of the Lincoln tunnel and she said if she didn't
have such an idiotic son she may not have turned to a
life of prostitution.

Wee! This is fun!

--

Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree,
http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 28 22:37:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3T2YPX07046; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:34:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:34:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Music Video for Purple Hand Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:33:32 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd01c54c63$d6201ff0$6b01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 19, in=23, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Psychedelic, man...I can almost hear Bjork singing over this. Thanks for sharing, Rick. Took me 17 minutes to download....roughly 8.3MB a minute. I should have been able to download faster though, since I have an 11mbps connection. Congested network I guess... Kris -----Original Message----- I'm very proud to announce that David Tristram has directed a new digitally animated video for the song "Sumpin' Funky I Cooked Up Tonight" from my new abstract electronica release, 'Purple Hand'. David is a fantastic live digital videographer who uses his own proprietary visual software. He has amongst many, many career performances been responsible for a lot of the live video work for the Woodstockhausen Festivals of Esorteric Music and the Y2K3 Live Looping Festival. You can read more about his artistry and career at: www.tristram.com If you are interested you can download a compressed copy of the video for free at www.looppool.info/purple_hand/ It's a hefty 64 megs so download it in the evening. I'm incredibly pleased with how it came out. It is my first official music video...............woooohoooooo!! yours, Rick Walker aka l()()p.p()()l aka Purple Hand aka Ultra Vi()lette www.loooppool.info ps I should have a new webpage up for Purple Hand CD but it will have to be after my Japan tour at the end of May. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 05:18:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3T9F9416280; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:15:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:15:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=EYwMnUeTmGR4fu3f4TMeQYX2lLPy75OY9XydgryhZ5FMJoLX+NJxilp35gACmf9nLdiTd9G5zDWxDS64m4AIfsi6JWdDpOFlsBrJJK5p1pyTGz8ECFEK4UIvwgF9hBmHRaYEsgGGmClGE6y4YKoVNyj+rBgoZEplauRWfVaAqok= ; Message-ID: <20050429091350.10496.qmail@web41121.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 02:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: PCM 80...assign delay time to footpedal? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've searched the manual. Maybe I missed it. I have the expanded memory, and under EDIT/DELAY TIME, it says 2.500ms (if I recall correctly). Now, if I want, 10 sec. delay ....how do I quickly advance the increments - without turning the dial a bizillion times? Perhaps assign it to the footpedal?? I can't find out how via the manual. Much thanks, =M= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 07:00:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TAtnd27643; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:55:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:55:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <008a01c54ca9$ae7340e0$c19ffe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <20050428151124.96525.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> <005701c54c29$25eebc20$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: LD CD Vol.3 project Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:44:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh no, please! Why not do it on a first come, first serve basis? Or, to please everybody but Sunao, make it a double CD release? Stephen __________________________________________________________________________ "Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club") Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: "Guy Joyce" ; Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: Re: LD CD Vol.3 project > A thought: > Rather than base the content of LD CD Vol. 3 on a mere "I was first on > line" basis, why not allow another fifteen contributors and give Sunao the > unenviable task of choosing amongst the contributions? I'd suggest a focus > on 1) A variety of contributions, and 2) Contributions that contrast with > what's on Vols. 1 and 2. I would happily give up my slot on Vol. 3 if > someone else did substantially the same thing as me, only better. What I > wish for LD CD 3 is to turn more people onto the looping universe, not to > promote my product. (I just happen to believe that I have a different spin > on looping that *will* turn more onto our joyous world. But y'know, if > someone else just happens to do the same thing better, let them have the > slot.) > Sunao (and co-loopers), please let us know what you think. I totally > respect your wishes and your approach to this project because you initiated > it and are doing all the hard work of creating it. But perhaps choosing > amongst a pool of contributors (instead of who happened to be at their > computers during the first rush of submissions) might raise the quality of > the final product. > dB, coyote > > > > Oh dear, it looks like I've missed an opportunity here. > > > > Sunao, please could you add me to the reserve list, just in case anyone > drops out ? > > > > Many thanks > > XISTH (aka G Joyce) > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > From: Sunao Inami > > Subject: LD CD Vol.3 project > > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:12:35 +0900 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > Hi Loopers, > > > > I talked with Kim Frint about > > Looper's Delight Compilation CD Volume 3. > > and I got his permission. > > > > I would like to organize Looper's Delight Compilation CD Volume 3. > > > > basic plan is: > > (this is almost same as Vol.2) > > > > 1 CD, 15 or 16 artists. > > Song length is 4min 30sec maximum per each. > > CD pressing is 1000 pieces total. > > CD cover is 4pages booklet. > > Any music style is OK, but it restricts to LD list subscribers only. > > > > About cost, > > Participating artists pay US$125 per each. (Paypal or international > > money order) > > and 30 CDs is free for participating artists. > > (I will send 30 CDs via air mail (parcel post), $125 is includes > > shipping cost for world wide) > > If artists needs more CDs, I can sell it by $5 per each(not includes > > shipping cost). > > > > > > it will release from my label,electr-ohm,Japan. > > I can sell it my online CD shop C.U.E. records, but I can not pay a > > royalty to a participant. > > > > I can do mastering and CD cover design and care of CD pressing and > > send CDs to artists. > > > > Schedule is: > > Release in 2005. > > Song deadline is 31st August 2005.Please arrive by then.(Audio or > > data CDR, DAT or upload) > > > > Vol.1 released in'95 and Vol.2 released in'98, I think LD subscriber > > want to hear new one... > > > > Please let me know any opinion,question etc etc.. > > > > Talk you soon > > > > Sunao Inami > > http://www.cavestudio.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 07:45:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TBguZ02402; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:42:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:42:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: "'Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill'" , Subject: RE: Music Video for Purple Hand Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:42:18 -0600 Message-ID: <01dd01c54cb0$7ff5afd0$6b01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000401c54c79$cb1b3980$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 20, in=29, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j3TBgVx02333 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think you sent this only to me, Rainer, but I received a similar message with XP. I canceled, renamed the video file (shorter), and double-clicked it again to play. Don't ask why. :) K- -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:11 PM To: khartung@cableone.net Subject: AW: Music Video for Purple Hand Can aynone tell what I do if and when my QuickTime player (Xp in case you're wondering) tells me he needs to download "QuickTime Authoring", and after I tell him to go ahead and download it, he always tells me the component downloaded is corrupted? I also want to see that video, you stupid apple crew! Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 29. April 2005 04:34 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: Music Video for Purple Hand Psychedelic, man...I can almost hear Bjork singing over this. Thanks for sharing, Rick. Took me 17 minutes to download....roughly 8.3MB a minute. I should have been able to download faster though, since I have an 11mbps connection. Congested network I guess... Kris -----Original Message----- I'm very proud to announce that David Tristram has directed a new digitally animated video for the song "Sumpin' Funky I Cooked Up Tonight" from my new abstract electronica release, 'Purple Hand'. David is a fantastic live digital videographer who uses his own proprietary visual software. He has amongst many, many career performances been responsible for a lot of the live video work for the Woodstockhausen Festivals of Esorteric Music and the Y2K3 Live Looping Festival. You can read more about his artistry and career at: www.tristram.com If you are interested you can download a compressed copy of the video for free at www.looppool.info/purple_hand/ It's a hefty 64 megs so download it in the evening. I'm incredibly pleased with how it came out. It is my first official music video...............woooohoooooo!! yours, Rick Walker aka l()()p.p()()l aka Purple Hand aka Ultra Vi()lette www.loooppool.info ps I should have a new webpage up for Purple Hand CD but it will have to be after my Japan tour at the end of May. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 09:50:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TDhNW20347; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:43:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:43:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1114782172!10336967!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE01329FB4@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: basta! Re: Too many beeps & boops Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:39:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C54CC0.E9958810" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C54CC0.E9958810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "basta!" is right. the list has started looping itself. this is a distorted version of the cooperman exchanges of a few weeks back, & if the list were a jam-man, I'd be stomping on the reset pedal right now. sadly, the list isn't a jam-man & so I bid you all farewell. possibly I'll check back later in the year to see if civilization has resumed. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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"basta!" is right. the list has started looping itself. this is a distorted version of the cooperman exchanges of a few weeks back, & if the list were a jam-man, I'd be stomping on the reset pedal right now. sadly, the list isn't a jam-man & so I bid you all farewell. possibly I'll check back later in the year to see if civilization has resumed.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C54CC0.E9958810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 10:00:47 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TDjiM20651; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:45:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:45:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr6 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008a01c54ca9$ae7340e0$c19ffe91@synthhost> References: <20050428151124.96525.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> <005701c54c29$25eebc20$9715be18@oemcomputer> <008a01c54ca9$ae7340e0$c19ffe91@synthhost> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:44:24 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: LD CD Vol.3 project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Stephen, double CD is impossible for me ,reason is cost and adjustment. CD pressing cost is double and shipping cost (Japan to world wide) is high. Japanese postal service is expensive. and I did organize 8 compilation CDs total until now, I know adjustment becomes more difficult as the number of it increases. example,All will be overdue when 1 artist is late. I will send agreement for LD CD Vol.3 project for off list, if someone cancel for join for by some reason(fo example,it is Sunao's organize in this time, hard to communication with English, or made in Japan etc), I will ask to again LD list. And my idea is, I think many people can organize make the compilation CD. In this time, I am organizing and I order CD pressing. Next one is please other person or label organize. I think no same artist include next one, and next one.I don't know how many artists want to join total, but I guess LD release 2 or 3 CDs per year. And some part of CD sales use for donate to LD. p.s. I am Japanese and my English is poor. I try to read Douglas Baldwin's message with dictionary, but it very hard to read and understand for me. I am sorry. Regards Sunao At 10:44 AM +0200 05.4.29, wavecomputer360 wrote: >Oh no, please! Why not do it on a first come, first serve basis? Or, to >please everybody but Sunao, make it a double CD release? > >Stephen > > > >__________________________________________________________________________ > >"Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club") > >Visit the official [$B!DEa(Bamp] website at www.doombient.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Douglas Baldwin" >To: "Guy Joyce" ; > >Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:19 PM >Subject: Re: LD CD Vol.3 project > > >> A thought: >> Rather than base the content of LD CD Vol. 3 on a mere "I was first on >> line" basis, why not allow another fifteen contributors and give Sunao the >> unenviable task of choosing amongst the contributions? I'd suggest a >focus >> on 1) A variety of contributions, and 2) Contributions that contrast with >> what's on Vols. 1 and 2. I would happily give up my slot on Vol. 3 if >> someone else did substantially the same thing as me, only better. What I >> wish for LD CD 3 is to turn more people onto the looping universe, not to >> promote my product. (I just happen to believe that I have a different spin >> on looping that *will* turn more onto our joyous world. But y'know, if >> someone else just happens to do the same thing better, let them have the >> slot.) >> Sunao (and co-loopers), please let us know what you think. I totally >> respect your wishes and your approach to this project because you >initiated >> it and are doing all the hard work of creating it. But perhaps choosing >> amongst a pool of contributors (instead of who happened to be at their >> computers during the first rush of submissions) might raise the quality of >> the final product. >> dB, coyote >> >> >> > Oh dear, it looks like I've missed an opportunity here. >> > >> > Sunao, please could you add me to the reserve list, just in case anyone >> drops out ? >> > >> > Many thanks >> > XISTH (aka G Joyce) >> > >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------ >> > >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > From: Sunao Inami >> > Subject: LD CD Vol.3 project >> > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:12:35 +0900 >> > >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------ >> > >> > Hi Loopers, >> > >> > I talked with Kim Frint about >> > Looper's Delight Compilation CD Volume 3. >> > and I got his permission. >> > >> > I would like to organize Looper's Delight Compilation CD Volume 3. >> > >> > basic plan is: >> > (this is almost same as Vol.2) >> > >> > 1 CD, 15 or 16 artists. >> > Song length is 4min 30sec maximum per each. >> > CD pressing is 1000 pieces total. >> > CD cover is 4pages booklet. > > > Any music style is OK, but it restricts to LD list subscribers only. >> > >> > About cost, >> > Participating artists pay US$125 per each. (Paypal or international >> > money order) >> > and 30 CDs is free for participating artists. >> > (I will send 30 CDs via air mail (parcel post), $125 is includes >> > shipping cost for world wide) >> > If artists needs more CDs, I can sell it by $5 per each(not includes >> > shipping cost). >> > >> > >> > it will release from my label,electr-ohm,Japan. >> > I can sell it my online CD shop C.U.E. records, but I can not pay a >> > royalty to a participant. >> > >> > I can do mastering and CD cover design and care of CD pressing and >> > send CDs to artists. >> > >> > Schedule is: >> > Release in 2005. >> > Song deadline is 31st August 2005.Please arrive by then.(Audio or >> > data CDR, DAT or upload) >> > >> > Vol.1 released in'95 and Vol.2 released in'98, I think LD subscriber >> > want to hear new one... >> > >> > Please let me know any opinion,question etc etc.. >> > >> > Talk you soon >> > >> > Sunao Inami >> > http://www.cavestudio.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 13:11:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TH36O22449; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:03:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:03:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050429170228.88516.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:02:28 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Not enough beeps and boops (was: Too many beeps & boops) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While the inital reason that thread got started was (as we all agree) completely stupid, I think it might be worth while to talk about the fact that sometime your initial reaction to a form of art is often vastly different than where you end up. My theory is that art is a form of language. Perhaps where language starts, almost a "proto-language." As we mature we grow acustom to the language of our culture. Other culture's language sound like gibberish and are ignored and rejected... until needed. You see it all the time when a modern term (this happens a lot with science terms) is used by many languages Art, like language is in constant flux and barrowing from other movements as languages barrow from each other. Artists produce the raw material, or proto-language that a culture looks to and either takes what is useful or rejects what is not. That's how something like "Dada" can start as an esoteric experimental genera, and end up in pop culture via MTV decades later. In the same way, you can listen to "beeps and boops" and reject it at some point, and later embrace it when you begin to understand it, or find a need to express something that your current language(s) doesn't do well enough. Anyway, that's my rambling for the day. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 14:20:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TIEGN02435; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:14:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:14:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=MH5B3vGOgR/tPCPqiMA4Kv+t6x/j+HuGcfYLzotlGwJp0RzybE5jlI0vQnTfkbdtHmf0g6ppBLBKnCoONuChMZ198hAORlH+c4GOyigcbLMODOtmKSsgQ5NzihCb/oXuOCllOqix3CYD2BgCVylAnjUPGrXDTlBa+Ps9xrKOB6c= ; Message-ID: <20050429181230.75466.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:12:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind-stick Devil Subject: Re: Too many beeps & boops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006601c54c4a$1fe8ab80$0207a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-705000458-1114798350=:73259" Resent-Message-ID: <41wxVD.A.4i.VkncCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-705000458-1114798350=:73259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii But........aren't you a right-wing f*ck? SP Goodman wrote:I'm afraid that the typing of this message is about as much effort I'm going to expend on the poor ignorant chap. I remember when I was a young putz, opinionated, soft and un-formed, rejecting most suggestions of new music that friends occasionally thought I'd dig (I still can't stand sales pitches!), Years later I went back and apologized for being so dumb and contrary, having since then learned to love the music of several major influences on my work today. But that's about it. "Doug Cox" put forth: >A lot of people are trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I say >f*ck that. > > You're an idiot. Go try to find a pointless fight somewhere else. > > Without even listening to your music, I'm going to predict that it utterly > SUCKS. > > Prove me wrong, kid. > > Dig > > Wind-stick Devil wrote: > >> Ahhh. Go back to watching Hannity & Colmes or the O'Reilly Show! >> >> */mark sottilaro /* wrote: >> >> So, why are you hiding your incredibly creative >> instrumental licks? Lay it on us, my friend. >> >> My feelings about critisism are unless it's asked for >> or you're being asked to pay money to hear something, >> don't. Most of the posters are not professionals and >> do it as a hobby for fun. I'm one of those people. I >> also ask for comments and except them, but usually >> they're a lot more elequent than "too much noodling." >> That's why I'm on this list. Most of the members are >> great and I've learned a LOT from them. Some here my >> enjoy my music, some may not. I hope those who hate >> it ignore it and those who like it savor it. >> >> Why cut down someone's music for no reason? Don't >> listen to them if you don't like them. It's one thing >> to buy someone's CD and say, "I didn't like this >> because of x." and another to generalize and make a >> rude commen! t with no information to back it up. Let >> me answer my question. Because agression is a great >> way to mask weakness. My cat taught me this. (a 16 >> pound lump of cat-chub dominates a 75lb pitbull mix in >> my home) So, back it up Mr. Wind-Stick and show us >> your amazing music. >> >> Mark >> >> --- Wind-stick Devil wrote: >> > Well, 'site' referring to some of the MP3's or links >> > pointing to MP3's, et al from some of the posters to >> > LD. >> > >> > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are >> > paid to some folks music that frequently is >> > essentially self-indulgent noodling with long >> > delays, galaxy-sized reverb patches and ebows. >> > >> > But for music with incredibly creative instrumental >> > licks (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the >> > collective. Is it me? >> > >> > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >> > >> > In a message dated 4/24/05 4:36:13 PM, >> > wklemmer1@yaho! o.com writes: >> > >> > >> > A lot of the music I auditioned from the site >> > >> > >> > what site? >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> > protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-705000458-1114798350=:73259 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

But........aren't you a right-wing f*ck?

SP Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:

I'm afraid that the typing of this message is about as much effort I'm going
to expend on the poor ignorant chap. I remember when I was a young putz,
opinionated, soft and un-formed, rejecting most suggestions of new music
that friends occasionally thought I'd dig (I still can't stand sales
pitches!), Years later I went back and apologized for being so dumb and
contrary, having since then learned to love the music of several major
influences on my work today. But that's about it.

"Doug Cox" put forth:
>A lot of people are trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I say
>f*ck that.
>
> You're an idiot. Go try to find a pointless fight somewhere else.
>
> Without even listening to your music, I'm going to predict that it utterly
> SUCKS.
>
> Prove me wrong, kid.
>
> Dig
>
> Wind-stick Devil wrote:
>
>> Ahhh. Go back to watching Hannity & Colmes or the O'Reilly Show!
>>
>> */mark sottilaro /* wrote:
>>
>> So, why are you hiding your incredibly creative
>> instrumental licks? Lay it on us, my friend.
>>
>> My feelings about critisism are unless it's asked for
>> or you're being asked to pay money to hear something,
>> don't. Most of the posters are not professionals and
>> do it as a hobby for fun. I'm one of those people. I
>> also ask for comments and except them, but usually
>> they're a lot more elequent than "too much noodling."
>> That's why I'm on this list. Most of the members are
>> great and I've learned a LOT from them. Some here my
>> enjoy my music, some may not. I hope those who hate
>> it ignore it and those who like it savor it.
>>
>> Why cut down someone's music for no reason? Don't
>> listen to them if you don't like them. It's one thing
>> to buy someone's CD and say, "I didn't like this
>> because of x." and another to generalize and make a
>> rude commen! t with no information to back it up. Let
>> me answer my question. Because agression is a great
>> way to mask weakness. My cat taught me this. (a 16
>> pound lump of cat-chub dominates a 75lb pitbull mix in
>> my home) So, back it up Mr. Wind-Stick and show us
>> your amazing music.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> --- Wind-stick Devil wrote:
>> > Well, 'site' referring to some of the MP3's or links
>> > pointing to MP3's, et al from some of the posters to
>> > LD.
>> >
>> > I'm just amazed that a lot of ohhhhs and ahhhhhs are
>> > paid to some folks music that frequently is
>> > essentially self-indulgent noodling with long
>> > delays, galaxy-sized reverb patches and ebows.
>> >
>> > But for music with incredibly creative instrumental
>> > licks (like mine), I frequently hear a yawn from the
>> > collective. Is it me?
>> >
>> > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > In a message dated 4/24/05 4:36:13 PM,
>> > wklemmer1@yaho! o.com writes:
>> >
>> >
>> > A lot of the music I auditioned from the site
>> >
>> >
>> > what site?
>> > __________________________________________________
>> > Do You Yahoo!?
>> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
>> > protection around
>> > http://mail.yahoo.com
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> Do You Yahoo!?
>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>> http://mail.yahoo.com
>>
>
>
>
>
>

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com --0-705000458-1114798350=:73259-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 15:07:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TJ0S110353; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:00:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:00:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <12176700.1114801024074.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:57:04 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Let It Rot..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can we all go back to all of the technobabble that we all find so endearing about this list and knock off the slagging involving Windstick Devil? The situation has reached a point of diminishing returns and appears that further discourse with the afforementioned would not really be benefitting the collective or Wind Stick Devil. What will it take to bring peace? Ideas? Ransacker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 15:24:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TJFpn12973; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:15:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:15:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:15:25 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Let It Rot..... In-reply-to: <12176700.1114801024074.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> To: Todd Howell Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <427287CD.2060307@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <12176700.1114801024074.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Todd Howell wrote: > Can we all go back to all of the technobabble that we all find so endearing about this list and knock off the slagging involving Windstick Devil? The situation has reached a point of diminishing returns and appears that further discourse with the afforementioned would not really be benefitting the collective or Wind Stick Devil. > > What will it take to bring peace? Ideas? We need another sit vs. stand thread. How about this. When you loop, boxers or briefs? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 15:37:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TJYUk15809; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:34:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:34:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dk0so/oJtpcCFuFoL4CcEEpw4Cx14vhUk6kiyqbmV5YWgm3PLpZfN69Rp8NOwIiH5JIMZJLTFFP4yk3cWcki5fzbUpmA+Ect8xFH+JufkfKhfXuMq+lXUDn3/z25CtdHw9dmHJgbsV4j694IF/fKftWVk0j/vHR1/o8TZXxhTlk= Message-ID: <2fb9e47305042912332c1bed16@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:33:59 -0400 From: Clint Allen Reply-To: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Let It Rot..... In-Reply-To: <427287CD.2060307@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1303_31009990.1114803239801" References: <12176700.1114801024074.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <427287CD.2060307@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_Part_1303_31009990.1114803239801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Definitely briefs... However, you forgot the 3rd option...."Commando" Clint Allen www.clintallen.com On 4/29/05, Jeff Larson wrote: >=20 > Todd Howell wrote: > > Can we all go back to all of the technobabble that we all find so=20 > endearing about this list and knock off the slagging involving Windstick= =20 > Devil? The situation has reached a point of diminishing returns and appea= rs=20 > that further discourse with the afforementioned would not really be=20 > benefitting the collective or Wind Stick Devil. > > > > What will it take to bring peace? Ideas? >=20 > We need another sit vs. stand thread. How about this. >=20 > When you loop, boxers or briefs? >=20 > Jeff >=20 > ------=_Part_1303_31009990.1114803239801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Definitely briefs...

However, you forgot the 3rd option...."Commando"

Clint Allen
www.clintallen.com

On 4/29/05, Jeff La= rson <Jeffrey.Larson@sun.c= om > wrote:

Todd Howell wrote:
> Can we all go back to all of the technobabble that we all find so endearing about this list and knock off the slagging involving Windstick Devil? The situation has reached a point of diminishing returns and appears that further discourse with the afforementioned would not really be benefitting the collective or Wind Stick Devil.
>=
> What will it take to bring peace? Ideas?

We need another si= t vs. stand thread. How about this.

When you loop, boxers= or briefs?

Jeff

------=_Part_1303_31009990.1114803239801-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 15:45:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TJeK916645; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:40:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:40:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=UAgb9+D9HANb4IkgY5IJuAL3hJw13SOiNUdEuNRURrGYCv2tQQYtFNe/xgkViInYwYsFTJ3GF1MuVWy5O4BOw50aMfx2NfVGgxz4lN7EhWnsgAQcB3/5LEfuKwJYd+olyZYZViWLucMmIIputgFGQPxnXAHMg6UmqPUOuqOJ4zk= ; Message-ID: <20050429193947.3566.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:39:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: EDP: Muting input in Multiply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's what I want to do using footcontrollers, and I guess I just need to hear from someone that it's possible or not before invest in more equipment or give up on trying. If I'm missing something obvious that will achieve the same result that's great news too! - record a drum loop (say 2-bars) - end by entering NextLoop (LoopCopy=On), lay in a bassline of equal length - end by entering NextLoop, the third and final loop - mute input (via footpedal switch TBD) while singing lyrics, unmuting for specific sections to add to this longer loop (16-bars) - end by re-entering first (drum) loop in Multiply mode, add new bassline/guitar/vocals for chorus - alternate between loops 3 and 1 in Overdub mode, again muting and unmuting the input signal to add next notes of chord at each pass, without letting lyrics enter the loop - vamp out on loop 2 applying same mute/unmute approach to 2-bar phrase, gradually reducing feedback to zero. I have been through the archives a lot lately, but haven't hit upon anything that addressed my specific question. I'm sure dozens of you must have tried something like this before. Anybody pull it off? If so, what are you using as a momentary switch to mute your input? I understand MIDI controllers can't be used to change input levels on the EDP. Thanks! Sam Rogers OneMouthBand www.OneMouthBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 16:14:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TKA9T21643; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:10:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:10:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Muting input in Multiply Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:11:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Muting input in Multiply Thread-Index: AcVM85flgmVwBMjsR4OqygndlfYA2QAAsnxg From: "Brian" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j3TK8hx21425 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I assume you are using a mixer to input the various sources into the EDP, I think you could use a Startouch A/B box to "mute the edp input" assuming you run the other channel out of the A/B box into the PA. The trick will be getting the levels between the vocals going straight into the PA and the vocals going through the EDP to be the same. There may be a simpler solution, but this is the first one that comes to mind. I mention the Startouch A/B box as it has silent switching, which boxes like the Morley ABY do not (but should). Let me know if my description needs more clarification. Brian Walton -----Original Message----- From: Sam Rogers [mailto:onemouthband@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 3:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP: Muting input in Multiply Here's what I want to do using footcontrollers, and I guess I just need to hear from someone that it's possible or not before invest in more equipment or give up on trying. If I'm missing something obvious that will achieve the same result that's great news too! - record a drum loop (say 2-bars) - end by entering NextLoop (LoopCopy=On), lay in a bassline of equal length - end by entering NextLoop, the third and final loop - mute input (via footpedal switch TBD) while singing lyrics, unmuting for specific sections to add to this longer loop (16-bars) - end by re-entering first (drum) loop in Multiply mode, add new bassline/guitar/vocals for chorus - alternate between loops 3 and 1 in Overdub mode, again muting and unmuting the input signal to add next notes of chord at each pass, without letting lyrics enter the loop - vamp out on loop 2 applying same mute/unmute approach to 2-bar phrase, gradually reducing feedback to zero. I have been through the archives a lot lately, but haven't hit upon anything that addressed my specific question. I'm sure dozens of you must have tried something like this before. Anybody pull it off? If so, what are you using as a momentary switch to mute your input? I understand MIDI controllers can't be used to change input levels on the EDP. Thanks! Sam Rogers OneMouthBand www.OneMouthBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 16:14:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TKBa222081; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:11:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:11:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.727b452a.2fa3eed6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:11:02 EDT Subject: OT: The changing face of "rock" radio. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7a.727b452a.2fa3eed6_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <6hEaMD.A.YVF.jTpcCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7a.727b452a.2fa3eed6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Food for thoughtful discussion. While it is not exactly an early obituary of the format, the following article from the NY Times is an interesting peek inside the changing face BIG RADIO. Not all of it good. Some of it is downright creepy . . .=20 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NYT, April 28, 2005 Fade-Out: New Rock Is Pass=E9 on Radio By JEFF LEEDS=20 =20 Major radio companies are abandoning rock music so quickly lately that=20 sometimes their own employees don't know it. Troy Hanson, the program director of WZTA in Miami, said that he first=20 learned that his station's owner, Clear Channel Communications, had ditched=20= the rock=20 format - and his staff - when he tuned to the station one morning in Februar= y=20 and heard talk-radio. His rock domain, known as Zeta, had vanished. "We=20 didn't even get to play 'It's the End of the World as We Know It,' " the R.E= .M.=20 anthem, as a sign off, he said. In the last four months, radio executives have switched the formats of four=20 modern-rock, or alternative, stations in big media markets, including WHFS i= n=20 Washington-Baltimore area, WPLY in Philadelphia and the year-old KRQI in=20 Seattle. Earlier this month WXRK in New York discarded most newer songs in f= avor of=20 a playlist laden with rock stars from the 80's and 90's. Music executives say the lack of true stars today is partly the reason. Sinc= e=20 rap-rock acts like Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit retreated from the scene, none o= f=20 the heralded bands from recent rock movements, be it garage-rock (the=20 Strokes, the Vines) or emo (Dashboard Confessional, Thursday), connected wit= h radio=20 listeners or CD buyers the way their predecessors did. This sudden exit of so many marquee stations has not only renewed the=20 perennial debate about the relative health of rock as a musical genre, but i= t also=20 indicates that the alternative format, once the darling of radio a decade ag= o,=20 is now taking perhaps the heaviest fire in the radio industry's battle to=20 retain listeners in the face of Internet and satellite radio competition. Ma= ny rock=20 stations may be in for another blow when the shock jock Howard Stern departs= =20 for Sirius Satellite Radio next year. There are still signs that a fervent alternative scene survives. This=20 weekend, for instance, 50,000 people a day are expected to visit Indio, Cali= f., for=20 the sixth-annual Coachella Valley Music Festival, the biggest rock event of=20= its=20 kind in the United States, to cheer bands like the Arcade Fire and the Secre= t=20 Machines. Moreover, while alternative programmers are searching for a=20 solution, for the moment they have the benefit of new music by a clutch of r= eliable=20 stars from the genre's heyday: Nine Inch Nails, Weezer and Beck are releasin= g=20 their first albums in two years or more, and songs by each rocketed to the t= op=20 of Billboard magazine's modern-rock airplay chart. But many musicians in the newer bands on the alternative playlists "could be= =20 your waiter tomorrow night and you wouldn't know the difference," griped a=20 radio promotion executive at one major label, who requested anonymity for fe= ar of=20 offending bands on his label. Ratings for rock radio stations have been languishing for years. The share o= f=20 the 18-to-34 age group that is tuning in to alternative stations has shrunk=20 by more than 20 percent in the last five years, according to Arbitron, while= =20 stations playing rap and R&B or Spanish-language formats have enjoyed an=20 expanding audience. As a result, many rock programmers aren't sure what to play. "The format in the last couple of years has gone through an identity crisis,= "=20 said Kevin Weatherly, program director of KROQ, a closely watched alternativ= e=20 powerhouse in Los Angeles. "You have stations that are too cool, that move=20 too quickly and are only playing the coolest music, which doesn't at the end= of=20 the day attract enough of the audience. Or you have the other extreme, dumb=20 rock, red-state rock that the cool kids just flat out aren't into." Such scrambling to strike a balance has cost many alternative programmers=20 large chunks of audience. Some radio executives said that they made a fatefu= l=20 choice in the last few years to jettison the pop-rock side of their genre to= =20 concentrate on heavier-sounding bands, and now are afraid to turn back. As p= art of=20 that shift, many stations also decided to eliminate women from their audienc= e=20 research. These stations decided to aim at men almost exclusively because of= =20 the heavier sound. "You got yourself into a corner that you can't get out of= ,"=20 said Tom Calderone, senior vice president for music and talent at MTV, and a= =20 former radio programmer and consultant. "When you listen to alternative=20 stations do their 90's flashback weekends, you can hear something as meaning= ful as=20 Stone Temple Pilots and Soundgarden to something as silly and quirky as Harv= ey=20 Danger and Presidents of the United States of America. When you become 65-75= =20 percent guys, you're leaving a huge audience on the table." At WZTA in Miami, the decision in 2003 to remove women from the equation "wa= s=20 definitely when we started to see Zeta's attrition," Mr. Hanson said. Days=20 after Clear Channel took Zeta off the air, a rival company, Cox Radio, flipp= ed=20 the format of one of its Miami-area stations to rock. Mr. Hanson also suggested that land-based radio had been too slow to respond= =20 to satellite radio, which offers access to dozens of commercial-free music=20 channels for a monthly subscription fee and to digital music players, like A= pple=20 Computer's iPod. He said that he balked when a supervisor suggested running=20= an=20 on-air contest to give away an iPod loaded with 949 songs. (Zeta's frequency= =20 was 94.9-FM.) "I was like, 'Then they don't need to listen to Zeta anymore.'= "=20 Mr. Hanson wound up forgoing the contest. "The people that are leading-edge technology consumers are not being embrace= d=20 by terrestrial radio," said Jim McGuinn, who was program director of WPLY in= =20 Philadelphia, known as Y100, before its corporate parent, Radio One, flipped= =20 the station to rap and R&B in February. "The outsider image disappeared," Mr= .=20 McGuinn said. Mr. McGuinn and a handful of other former WPLY employees have started an=20 Internet radio station, y100rocks.com, to play music they say the terrestria= l=20 version had been missing, including songs by Interpol, Moby and Queens of th= e=20 Stone Age. But for now, Philadelphia has no terrestrial alternative-rock station. Some analysts fear that, when radio stations switch from alternative rock to= =20 programming aimed at older listeners, they may be making a sacrifice. "Radio= =20 has ceded the younger demographic to other media," said Fred Jacobs, preside= nt=20 of Jacobs Media, a radio consulting company in Southfield, Mich., specializi= ng=20 in rock. "I just don't know how we're going to get back people who didn't ge= t=20 into the radio habit in their teens," he said, adding, "It really becomes=20 problematic down the road." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I say: "Long live internet radio!" BIG MEDIA in general can't die fast=20 enough to suit me. These manipulating backroom guys make me ill. My music never gets airplay except on college stations or overseas=20 anywho.=20 Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_7a.727b452a.2fa3eed6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

Food for thoughtful discussion. While it is not exactly an early obituary of the format, the following article from the NY Times is an interesting
peek inside the changing face BIG RADIO. Not all of it good. Some of it
is downright creepy . . .

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

NYT, April 28, 2005

Fade-Out: New Rock Is Pass=E9 on Radio
By JEFF LEEDS

Major radio companies are abandoning rock music so quickly lately that somet= imes their own employees don't know it.

Troy Hanson, the program director of WZTA in Miami, said that he first learn= ed that his station's owner, Clear Channel Communications, had ditched the r= ock format - and his staff - when he tuned to the station one morning in Feb= ruary and heard talk-radio. His rock domain, known as Zeta, had vanished. "W= e didn't even get to play 'It's the End of the World as We Know It,' " the R= .E.M. anthem, as a sign off, he said.

In the last four months, radio executives have switched the formats of four=20= modern-rock, or alternative, stations in big media markets, including WHFS i= n Washington-Baltimore area, WPLY in Philadelphia and the year-old KRQI in S= eattle. Earlier this month WXRK in New York discarded most newer songs in fa= vor of a playlist laden with rock stars from the 80's and 90's.

Music executives say the lack of true stars today is partly the reason. Sinc= e rap-rock acts like Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit retreated from the scene, none= of the heralded bands from recent rock movements, be it garage-rock (the St= rokes, the Vines) or emo (Dashboard Confessional, Thursday), connected with=20= radio listeners or CD buyers the way their predecessors did.

This sudden exit of so many marquee stations has not only renewed the perenn= ial debate about the relative health of rock as a musical genre, but it also= indicates that the alternative format, once the darling of radio a decade a= go, is now taking perhaps the heaviest fire in the radio industry's battle t= o retain listeners in the face of Internet and satellite radio competition.=20= Many rock stations may be in for another blow when the shock jock Howard Ste= rn departs for Sirius Satellite Radio next year.

There are still signs that a fervent alternative scene survives. This weeken= d, for instance, 50,000 people a day are expected to visit Indio, Calif., fo= r the sixth-annual Coachella Valley Music Festival, the biggest rock event o= f its kind in the United States, to cheer bands like the Arcade Fire and the= Secret Machines. Moreover, while alternative programmers are searching for=20= a solution, for the moment they have the benefit of new music by a clutch of= reliable stars from the genre's heyday: Nine Inch Nails, Weezer and Beck ar= e releasing their first albums in two years or more, and songs by each rocke= ted to the top of Billboard magazine's modern-rock airplay chart.

But many musicians in the newer bands on the alternative playlists "could be= your waiter tomorrow night and you wouldn't know the difference," griped a=20= radio promotion executive at one major label, who requested anonymity for fe= ar of offending bands on his label.

Ratings for rock radio stations have been languishing for years. The share o= f the 18-to-34 age group that is tuning in to alternative stations has shrun= k by more than 20 percent in the last five years, according to Arbitron, whi= le stations playing rap and R&B or Spanish-language formats have enjoyed= an expanding audience.

As a result, many rock programmers aren't sure what to play.

"The format in the last couple of years has gone through an identity crisis,= " said Kevin Weatherly, program director of KROQ, a closely watched alternat= ive powerhouse in Los Angeles. "You have stations that are too cool, that mo= ve too quickly and are only playing the coolest music, which doesn't at the=20= end of the day attract enough of the audience. Or you have the other extreme= , dumb rock, red-state rock that the cool kids just flat out aren't into."
Such scrambling to strike a balance has cost many alternative programmers la= rge chunks of audience. Some radio executives said that they made a fateful=20= choice in the last few years to jettison the pop-rock side of their genre to= concentrate on heavier-sounding bands, and now are afraid to turn back. As=20= part of that shift, many stations also decided to eliminate women from their= audience research. These stations decided to aim at men almost exclusively=20= because of the heavier sound. "You got yourself into a corner that you can't= get out of," said Tom Calderone, senior vice president for music and talent= at MTV, and a former radio programmer and consultant. "When you listen to a= lternative stations do their 90's flashback weekends, you can hear something= as meaningful as Stone Temple Pilots and Soundgarden to something as silly=20= and quirky as Harvey Danger and Presidents of the United States of America.=20= When you become 65-75 percent guys, you're leaving a huge audience on the ta= ble."

At WZTA in Miami, the decision in 2003 to remove women from the equation "wa= s definitely when we started to see Zeta's attrition," Mr. Hanson said. Days= after Clear Channel took Zeta off the air, a rival company, Cox Radio, flip= ped the format of one of its Miami-area stations to rock.

Mr. Hanson also suggested that land-based radio had been too slow to respond= to satellite radio, which offers access to dozens of commercial-free music=20= channels for a monthly subscription fee and to digital music players, like A= pple Computer's iPod. He said that he balked when a supervisor suggested run= ning an on-air contest to give away an iPod loaded with 949 songs. (Zeta's f= requency was 94.9-FM.) "I was like, 'Then they don't need to listen to Zeta=20= anymore.' " Mr. Hanson wound up forgoing the contest.

"The people that are leading-edge technology consumers are not being embrace= d by terrestrial radio," said Jim McGuinn, who was program director of WPLY=20= in Philadelphia, known as Y100, before its corporate parent, Radio One, flip= ped the station to rap and R&B in February. "The outsider image disappea= red," Mr. McGuinn said.

Mr. McGuinn and a handful of other former WPLY employees have started an Int= ernet radio station, y100rocks.com, to play music they say the terrestrial v= ersion had been missing, including songs by Interpol, Moby and Queens of the= Stone Age.

But for now, Philadelphia has no terrestrial alternative-rock station.

Some analysts fear that, when radio stations switch from alternative rock to= programming aimed at older listeners, they may be making a sacrifice. "Radi= o has ceded the younger demographic to other media," said Fred Jacobs, presi= dent of Jacobs Media, a radio consulting company in Southfield, Mich., speci= alizing in rock. "I just don't know how we're going to get back people who d= idn't get into the radio habit in their teens," he said, adding, "It really=20= becomes problematic down the road."

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I say: "Long live internet radio!" BIG MEDIA in general can't die fast
enough to suit me. These manipulating backroom guys make me ill.
My music never gets airplay except on college stations or overseas
anywho.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
--part1_7a.727b452a.2fa3eed6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 16:23:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TKIW123486; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:18:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:18:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.3bc745bf.2fa3f06b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:17:47 EDT Subject: That Awful Synching Feeling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1dc.3bc745bf.2fa3f06b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1dc.3bc745bf.2fa3f06b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Attention MIDI time-clock gurus, A few months back I purchased an Adrenalinn I (upgraded with=20 Adrenalinn II software) from a fellow looper on this list. I am now ready to start trying to synch it to my EDPs and other gear. My question: What are the working creative advantages and/or=20 disadvantages of having either particular device be the "master" (and the other the "slave") in the MIDI clock relationship? Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1dc.3bc745bf.2fa3f06b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Attention MIDI time-clock gurus,

A few months back I purchased an Adrenalinn I (upgraded with
Adrenalinn II software) from a fellow looper on this list. I am
now ready to start trying to synch it to my EDPs and other gear.

My question: What are the working creative advantages and/or
disadvantages of having either particular device be the "master"
(and the other the "slave") in the MIDI clock relationship?

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
--part1_1dc.3bc745bf.2fa3f06b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 16:47:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TKi5R26476; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:44:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:44:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:43:39 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP: Muting input in Multiply In-reply-to: <20050429193947.3566.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42729C7B.3060600@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050429193947.3566.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sam Rogers wrote: > - mute input (via footpedal switch TBD) while singing > lyrics, unmuting for specific sections to add to this > longer loop (16-bars) To my knowledge there is no input mute on the EDP, but couldn't you do this just by turning overdub mode off then using using Overdub or SUSOverdub to "unmute for specific ion sections". > - end by re-entering first (drum) loop in Multiply mode, > add new bassline/guitar/vocals for chorus You would use NextLoop presumably with SwitchQuant=Cycle. I don't think there is a way to enter Multiply mode automatically when entering the next loop. If you press Multiply during the switch quantize period it will perform a "sound copy" which means that the contents of loop 1 will be replaced with loop 3 before going into Multiply. I think you would just have to wait for the switch, then enter Multiply manually. > - alternate between loops 3 and 1 in Overdub mode, again > muting and unmuting the input signal to add next notes of > chord at each pass, without letting lyrics enter the loop Since the EDP does not have a PrevLoop function, you would have to press NextLoop once to go from 3 to 1 and twice to go from 1 to 3 (assuming MoreLoops=3). Again, this assumes that SwitchQuant is on. Alternately, you could set the LoopTrig parameter, and trigger the loops directly with footswitches that send the right MIDI note number. See he LoopTriggering section (page 5-21) in the manual. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 16:56:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TKooA27341; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:50:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:50:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:49:52 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Muting input in Multiply In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42729DF0.50404@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brian wrote: > - end by entering NextLoop, the third and final loop > - mute input (via footpedal switch TBD) while singing > lyrics, unmuting for specific sections to add to this > longer loop (16-bars) Sorry, I misread this. You want to be in Multiply mode here but not record anything. As the other poster said, this probably has to be done outside the EDP unless there's a hidden DirectMIDI controller for input level. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 17:00:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TKuoO28227; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:56:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:56:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <1dc.3bc745bf.2fa3f06b@aol.com> References: <1dc.3bc745bf.2fa3f06b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <324DC317-7A53-4F92-8617-9B2E5CE6540C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: That Awful Synching Feeling Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:56:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Apr 29, 2005, at 22:17, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Attention MIDI time-clock gurus, > > A few months back I purchased an Adrenalinn I (upgraded with > Adrenalinn II software) from a fellow looper on this list. I am > now ready to start trying to synch it to my EDPs and other gear. > > My question: What are the working creative advantages and/or > disadvantages of having either particular device be the "master" > (and the other the "slave") in the MIDI clock relationship? I have no hands-on experience with the Adrenalinn, but a little with the EDP. Speaking EDP, Master vs Slave makes the biggest difference regarding HalfSpeed/FullSpeed. When the EDP is the master, every time you go into HalfSpeed it will bring the Adrennalinn as well into that slower tempo. It might sound cool but there is the possibility that you get bored with it rather soon. I liked this set-up when using a Repeater as the slave only because the Repeater is so slow to adapt and it sounds cool to me when it sort of "noodles around" to find the new tempo, making these squirky noises when time stretching loops in real-time. In this set- up you can also recall EDP programs with different 8ths/cycle settings to kick the Adrenalinn into double, half or other tempo. When the Adrenalinn is the master you will get the the option of jumping in and out of HalfSpeed in the EDP without anything else changing tempo. I like this a lot for cutting in/out short slices of the EDP loop. I also like it for doing destructive loop trimming (ending with Record) of odd lengths compared to the other devices (Adrenalinn). pboy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 17:03:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TKuqc28239; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:56:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:56:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:01:59 +0100 Subject: Re: That Awful Synching Feeling From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1dc.3bc745bf.2fa3f06b@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Authenticated-Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j3TKuWx28085 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like to have clock from an independent source available to everything. I can opt in or out with the EDP and Repeater at the touch of a button. This suits the way I work at the moment. I probably need a change !!! There are other scenarios where you might want to send and receive start and stop messages or send sequenced commands to various devices. There are benefits and limitations to each configuration. Perhaps wire it up one way and find the limits then try the others. The limitations can sometimes be a springboard to new ways of working. "Different is not always better, but at least it¹s always different" Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > > > Attention MIDI time-clock gurus, > > A few months back I purchased an Adrenalinn I (upgraded with > Adrenalinn II software) from a fellow looper on this list. I am > now ready to start trying to synch it to my EDPs and other gear. > > My question: What are the working creative advantages and/or > disadvantages of having either particular device be the "master" > (and the other the "slave") in the MIDI clock relationship? > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 17:05:32 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TL0ZK30129; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:00:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:00:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:59:20 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Muting input in Multiply In-reply-to: <42729DF0.50404@sun.com> To: Jeff Larson Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4272A028.6090702@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <42729DF0.50404@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Brian wrote: > >> - end by entering NextLoop, the third and final loop >> - mute input (via footpedal switch TBD) while singing >> lyrics, unmuting for specific sections to add to this >> longer loop (16-bars) One last time, then I'll shut up and let the experts take over. I think you can do what you want by setting the Loop/Delay parameter to "In", then connecting a volume pedal to the feedback pedal jack on the pack panel. This behaves just like Loop mode, except you can use the feedback pedal to control input volume. See page 4-22. Bring the pedal all the way up to mute, and all the way down to unmute. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 17:09:54 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TL2hV30509; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:02:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: EDP: Muting input in Multiply Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:01:56 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <42729C7B.3060600@sun.com> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] > Sent: Freitag, 29. April 2005 22:44 > To: onemouthband@yahoo.com > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP: Muting input in Multiply > > > Sam Rogers wrote: > > - mute input (via footpedal switch TBD) while singing > > lyrics, unmuting for specific sections to add to this > > longer loop (16-bars) > > To my knowledge there is no input mute on the EDP, but > couldn't you do this just by turning overdub mode off > then using using Overdub or SUSOverdub to > "unmute for specific ion sections". > > > - end by re-entering first (drum) loop in Multiply mode, > > add new bassline/guitar/vocals for chorus > > You would use NextLoop presumably with SwitchQuant=Cycle. > I don't think there is a way to enter Multiply mode > automatically when entering the next loop. I think this is not correct. If you configure SwitchQuant to Confirm Cycle or Confirm Loop you have the choice what function will be performed while the new Loop is running. One of them being Multiply. > If you > press Multiply during the switch quantize period > it will perform a "sound copy" which means that the > contents of loop 1 will be replaced with loop 3 before > going into Multiply. I think you would just have to wait > for the switch, then enter Multiply manually. > > > - alternate between loops 3 and 1 in Overdub mode, again > > muting and unmuting the input signal to add next notes of > > chord at each pass, without letting lyrics enter the loop > > Since the EDP does not have a PrevLoop function, you would > have to press NextLoop once to go from 3 to 1 and twice > to go from 1 to 3 (assuming MoreLoops=3). Again, this > assumes that SwitchQuant is on. This can be solved with SwitchQuant set to Confirm, too. The EDP actually does have a PreviousLoop function: See manual, page 5-46 PreviousLoop is only available through MIDI, and is located at Source#+20. (http://www.gibsonechoplex.com/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf) > > Alternately, you could set the LoopTrig parameter, and trigger > the loops directly with footswitches that send the right > MIDI note number. See he LoopTriggering section (page 5-21) > in the manual. > > > Jeff (sorry for being pedantic) Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 17:18:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TLBsQ31934; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:10:38 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP: Muting input in Multiply In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4272A2CE.1040503@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bernhard Wagner wrote: >>You would use NextLoop presumably with SwitchQuant=Cycle. >>I don't think there is a way to enter Multiply mode >>automatically when entering the next loop. > > > I think this is not correct. If you configure SwitchQuant > to Confirm Cycle or Confirm Loop you have the choice what > function will be performed while the new Loop is running. > One of them being Multiply. I haven't actually tried this on my EDP, but the manual on 4-52 suggests that Multiply during the quantize period will perform an unconditional SoundCopy when the switch takes place. It includes this caution: "Caution: LoopCopy erases the the existing contents of the next loop!" Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 17:20:19 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TLHWZ00382; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:17:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:17:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <7a.727b452a.2fa3eed6@aol.com> References: <7a.727b452a.2fa3eed6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: The changing face of "rock" radio. Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:17:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Apr 29, 2005, at 22:11, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Food for thoughtful discussion. While it is not exactly an early > obituary > of the format, the following article from the NY Times is an > interesting > peek inside the changing face BIG RADIO. Not all of it good. Some > of it > is downright creepy . . . > 8< 8< 8< 8<.... Thanks for posting that article. Very interesting indeed! I can't help to feel a little refreshed by this new art/entertainment biz/ scene. One thing that happens is that the amount of musical styles is increasing so much that very few genres (if any at all) still can provide the volume required for corporate business speculation. Fully outspoken as "Record labels get bigger and die harder". The same problem applies to radio stations: it's not possible for a producer to know all styles and sub cultures well enough to make a good program. And one genre is too small to base a radio show on. So there's no way out!!!! It's a shift of paradigms in the media culture. When this happens in economy (like for example a new infrastructure is it hand) the interesting spot is to look for the new players on the market. Historically it has never happened that any of the old players have succeeded in reinventing their own business strategies to fit the new world. The future is always with the newcomers, when paradigms change. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 17:24:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TLIpr00622; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:18:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:18:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=f9PFnOIxrtB3JWJ5l9/cPaTIp0br53bw7bwleQhhYRwTvnFefXxCY4zqoMcWb3Aa+QWyZicb3PTGwmkZTjg9PPS7h9dpvOEADHIo8QGYbbFIctReHIzw2reFHHagtgPpg+0Kxk2TTAc3Tr88Iy+zRdK1LquM6W2hLnkAgMmLRUI= ; Message-ID: <20050429211820.25693.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:18:20 -0700 (PDT) From: mike feeney Subject: Online music hosting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not affiliated with them in any way, but I stumbled across a site that does allow artists to sign up, host up to 4 mp3 files, post gig info, and promote their music by networking with other people. http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music (or you can just go to myspace.com and click the Music link.) 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 17:31:05 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TLJFB00677; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:19:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:19:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:18:54 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP: Muting input in Multiply In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4272A4BE.7020504@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bernhard Wagner wrote: > The EDP actually does have a PreviousLoop function: > See manual, page 5-46 > PreviousLoop is only available through MIDI, and is located at > Source#+20. Right, it's not actually a PreviousLoop function but the SUSNextLoop function with a trick. If you send a MIDI note off for Source#+20 it will do a previous loop. But you have to have a controller capable of sending only a note off without a corresponding note on. The FCB1010 can't do this for example. Some highly programmable controllers can, but they're not common. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 18:37:33 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TMYhA12541; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:34:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:34:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20050429223415.56623.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:34:15 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: That Awful Synching Feeling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the original Adrenalinn and I found that using it as the clock worked really well, as I could have preset tempos/beats. I think each way of doing it has merit though, you probably should experiment and see which one you like. Mark --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Attention MIDI time-clock gurus, > > A few months back I purchased an Adrenalinn I > (upgraded with > Adrenalinn II software) from a fellow looper on this > list. I am > now ready to start trying to synch it to my EDPs and > other gear. > > My question: What are the working creative > advantages and/or > disadvantages of having either particular device be > the "master" > (and the other the "slave") in the MIDI clock > relationship? > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > > "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean > you're an artist." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 18:39:08 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TMaZ112736; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <004f01c54d0b$881ce060$8aa2fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <20050428151124.96525.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> <005701c54c29$25eebc20$9715be18@oemcomputer> <008a01c54ca9$ae7340e0$c19ffe91@synthhost> Subject: Re: LD CD Vol.3 project Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:25:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <-IvIND.A.vFD.9arcCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Sunao, a double CD is not a viable alternative. Do it the way you planned it to do, and keep little inroads open for those who did not manage to get onto the CD -- in case you find a track not fitting for the compilation. Stephen. __________________________________________________________________________ "Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club") Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunao Inami" To: Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 3:44 PM Subject: Re: LD CD Vol.3 project > Hi Stephen, > > double CD is impossible for me ,reason is cost and adjustment. > CD pressing cost is double and shipping cost (Japan to world wide) is high. > Japanese postal service is expensive. > > and I did organize 8 compilation CDs total until now, I know > adjustment becomes more difficult as the number of it increases. > example,All will be overdue when 1 artist is late. > > I will send agreement for LD CD Vol.3 project for off list, if > someone cancel for join for by some reason(fo example,it is Sunao's > organize in this time, hard to communication with English, or made in > Japan etc), I will ask to again LD list. > > And my idea is, I think many people can organize make the compilation CD. > In this time, I am organizing and I order CD pressing. > Next one is please other person or label organize. > I think no same artist include next one, and next one.I don't know > how many artists want to join total, but I guess LD release 2 or 3 > CDs per year. > And some part of CD sales use for donate to LD. > > p.s. > I am Japanese and my English is poor. > I try to read Douglas Baldwin's message with dictionary, but it very > hard to read and understand for me. > I am sorry. > > Regards > > Sunao > > At 10:44 AM +0200 05.4.29, wavecomputer360 wrote: > >Oh no, please! Why not do it on a first come, first serve basis? Or, to > >please everybody but Sunao, make it a double CD release? > > > >Stephen > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________________________ > > > >"Losing all hope is freedom." (Edward Norton / "Fight Club") > > > >Visit the official [$B!DEa(Bamp] website at www.doombient.com > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Douglas Baldwin" > >To: "Guy Joyce" ; > > > >Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:19 PM > >Subject: Re: LD CD Vol.3 project > > > > > >> A thought: > >> Rather than base the content of LD CD Vol. 3 on a mere "I was first on > >> line" basis, why not allow another fifteen contributors and give Sunao the > >> unenviable task of choosing amongst the contributions? I'd suggest a > >focus > >> on 1) A variety of contributions, and 2) Contributions that contrast with > >> what's on Vols. 1 and 2. I would happily give up my slot on Vol. 3 if > >> someone else did substantially the same thing as me, only better. What I > >> wish for LD CD 3 is to turn more people onto the looping universe, not to > >> promote my product. (I just happen to believe that I have a different spin > >> on looping that *will* turn more onto our joyous world. But y'know, if > >> someone else just happens to do the same thing better, let them have the > >> slot.) > >> Sunao (and co-loopers), please let us know what you think. I totally > >> respect your wishes and your approach to this project because you > >initiated > >> it and are doing all the hard work of creating it. But perhaps choosing > >> amongst a pool of contributors (instead of who happened to be at their > >> computers during the first rush of submissions) might raise the quality of > >> the final product. > >> dB, coyote > >> > >> > >> > Oh dear, it looks like I've missed an opportunity here. > >> > > >> > Sunao, please could you add me to the reserve list, just in case anyone > >> drops out ? > >> > > >> > Many thanks > >> > XISTH (aka G Joyce) > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >> ------ > >> > > >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > From: Sunao Inami > >> > Subject: LD CD Vol.3 project > >> > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:12:35 +0900 > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >> ------ > >> > > >> > Hi Loopers, > >> > > >> > I talked with Kim Frint about > >> > Looper's Delight Compilation CD Volume 3. > >> > and I got his permission. > >> > > >> > I would like to organize Looper's Delight Compilation CD Volume 3. > >> > > >> > basic plan is: > >> > (this is almost same as Vol.2) > >> > > >> > 1 CD, 15 or 16 artists. > >> > Song length is 4min 30sec maximum per each. > >> > CD pressing is 1000 pieces total. > >> > CD cover is 4pages booklet. > > > > Any music style is OK, but it restricts to LD list subscribers only. > >> > > >> > About cost, > >> > Participating artists pay US$125 per each. (Paypal or international > >> > money order) > >> > and 30 CDs is free for participating artists. > >> > (I will send 30 CDs via air mail (parcel post), $125 is includes > >> > shipping cost for world wide) > >> > If artists needs more CDs, I can sell it by $5 per each(not includes > >> > shipping cost). > >> > > >> > > >> > it will release from my label,electr-ohm,Japan. > >> > I can sell it my online CD shop C.U.E. records, but I can not pay a > >> > royalty to a participant. > >> > > >> > I can do mastering and CD cover design and care of CD pressing and > >> > send CDs to artists. > >> > > >> > Schedule is: > >> > Release in 2005. > >> > Song deadline is 31st August 2005.Please arrive by then.(Audio or > >> > data CDR, DAT or upload) > >> > > >> > Vol.1 released in'95 and Vol.2 released in'98, I think LD subscriber > >> > want to hear new one... > >> > > >> > Please let me know any opinion,question etc etc.. > >> > > >> > Talk you soon > >> > > >> > Sunao Inami > >> > http://www.cavestudio.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >> > http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 20:00:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3TNvtX23813; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:57:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4272C9B3.1020802@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:56:35 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: That Awful Synching Feeling References: <20050429223415.56623.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050429223415.56623.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0A6pMB.A.-wF.2mscCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com +1 on Mark's thoughts. I've finally settled into having my EDP as the master, and this is because I establish my looping rhythms by setting an EDP loop. I avoid the problem Per mentions (1/2 speed, full-speed affects the clock) because I use 2 EDPs, and I only slave other devices off of the #1 EDP, which I rarely (almost never?) allow to go into 1/2 speed. 1/2 speed stuff is done on my #2 EDP. In the end, you'll want to play around with it until you feel in control. Ted, I only know a little bit about you're playing (enough to know that you rock!), but I suspect that you'll want the EDP as master in your typical looping setup. Then again, that means that you can't easily let the Adrenallin start first and call the tempo. If you want to get uber-flexible, it'll be time for a MIDI router so you can switch the master/slave units. Rock on. Dig mark sottilaro wrote: >I had the original Adrenalinn and I found that using >it as the clock worked really well, as I could have >preset tempos/beats. I think each way of doing it has >merit though, you probably should experiment and see >which one you like. > >Mark > >--- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > >>Attention MIDI time-clock gurus, >> >>A few months back I purchased an Adrenalinn I >>(upgraded with >>Adrenalinn II software) from a fellow looper on this >>list. I am >>now ready to start trying to synch it to my EDPs and >>other gear. >> >>My question: What are the working creative >>advantages and/or >>disadvantages of having either particular device be >>the "master" >>(and the other the "slave") in the MIDI clock >>relationship? >> >>Best regards, >> >>tEd ® kiLLiAn >> >>"Different is not always better, but better is >>always different" >> >>http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >>http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >>http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >> >> >> >http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > > >http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > > >http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > >>Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: >>Apple iTunes, >>BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, >>Napster, >>AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, >>Etherstream, >>RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, >>Puretracks, >>and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. >>So??? >> >>"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean >>you're an artist." >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 20:28:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3U0P6728778; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:25:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:25:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c54d1a$e1630aa0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <7a.727b452a.2fa3eed6@aol.com> Subject: Re: The changing face of "rock" radio. Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 01:23:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hm, good article... >As a result, many rock programmers aren't sure what to play. I wasn't aware that Clear Channel allowed its programmers to choose what to play. >"The format in the last couple of years has gone through an identity >crisis," > said Kevin Weatherly, program director of KROQ, a closely watched > alternative powerhouse in Los Angeles. KROQ - Weren't they bought by Clear some years ago? > But for now, Philadelphia has no terrestrial alternative-rock station. What happened to old WYSP? Bought up huh? It's news like this that makes me wonder if I'd be dead of a stroke/heart attack from the tension if I'd pursued radio DJ work in the 70s. Oh, and Viva Scott Muni. :) Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 20:34:07 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3U0VZX29753; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:31:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:31:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c54d1b$e55fe550$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <12176700.1114801024074.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <427287CD.2060307@sun.com> Subject: Re: Let It Rot..... Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 01:31:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Jeff Larson" >> What will it take to bring peace? Ideas? > > We need another sit vs. stand thread. How about this. > > When you loop, boxers or briefs? Hm, depends on what you're looping, OH, YOU MEAN MUSIC! Boxers. Always. Only kiddies wear briefs, and they go well with a towel for a cape to run around in the back yard in. No, really. Come on, you didn't do that? Think about how silly anyone wearing briefs would look if their trousers suddenly disappeared on the street. That's Briefs, not Speedos. There IS a difference. Step one: Stop worrying about where your 'tackle' is in your trousers (so long as yer zipper's closed!) and you're halfway there. More than you want to know, huh? Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 29 22:10:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3U27eL12163; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:07:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:07:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: cthulhu.neoprofessional.net: jlucas set sender to jlucas@neoprimitive.net using -f Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:07:38 -0500 From: jlucas To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Let It Rot..... Message-ID: <20050430030738.GA13045@neoprimitive.net> References: <12176700.1114801024074.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <12176700.1114801024074.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 29/04/05 12:57 -0600, Todd Howell wrote: > Can we all go back to all of the technobabble that we all find so endearing about this list and knock off the slagging involving Windstick Devil? The situation has reached a point of diminishing returns and appears that further discourse with the afforementioned would not really be benefitting the collective or Wind Stick Devil. > > What will it take to bring peace? Ideas? Post some *music*. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 00:18:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3U4F8a29766; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:15:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:15:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=m+2f0U4Lu2ABNOKCrUdlAYOh4TR7QDetQmoiYEcwZMRn3CeFewXQy2dLCWnTnVVhysQTGVlTo0b7CxwZN8ydFVoKiKdRInF7yBkKP6ndQ6i6FNTr6wVpi1Afm1KP+p4l9wQJJIEKC1QnM7jvyq5f92WTVVcb54ldIvt2Vt9PIlU= ; Message-ID: <20050430041430.48947.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:14:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Online music hosting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Their "terms" are rather interesting... -t- --- mike feeney wrote: > I'm not affiliated with them in any way, but I > stumbled across a site that does allow artists to > sign > up, host up to 4 mp3 files, post gig info, and > promote > their music by networking with other people. > > http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music > > (or you can just go to myspace.com and click the > Music > link.) > > Mike > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 01:45:52 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3U5fc506656; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 01:41:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 01:41:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rtvSl/sJTz8wzQ9B5f1u5e86x4GGqD2/38UivP6SPOgsMSMr0VHNQu7UKffedMBuyd5VBRHcKQXUWHjTCV2YpviRcAfGdo0VQYiRPOeCO3cB8YK7tlZ/yTN9ICt+e2NlN7IZz+VJ8Sij8pJF70kZeH3I2U6Oeg88CYkdqDnrSWU= ; Message-ID: <20050430054014.6742.qmail@web41128.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:40:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Leifer Subject: RE; Online music hosting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it just me, or does MySpace seem like more of a place for young "players" to chat and hookup sexually? I'm looking for a more serious venue to display my music. Every time I visit there I get rather turned off (or on). I possibly might be entering the "old fart" stage in life. =RANDY= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 03:06:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3U72HC17712; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 03:02:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 03:02:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <4272C9B3.1020802@pdq.net> References: <20050429223415.56623.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <4272C9B3.1020802@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: That Awful Synching Feeling Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:01:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Apr 30, 2005, at 1:56, Doug Cox wrote: > I avoid the problem Per mentions (1/2 speed, full-speed affects > the clock) because I use 2 EDPs, and I only slave other devices off > of the #1 EDP, which I rarely (almost never?) allow to go into 1/2 > speed. 1/2 speed stuff is done on my #2 EDP. Wow, I've never thought of that! I would like to get a second EDP if I could afford it. I too like very much to be able to set the tempo by the first loop. I think this is one of the keys for doing a good live performance. The first note you play is the most important! It has to be mean as hell. It has to be magnificent. The first note (or loop) you play has to sum up emotionally what you are going to do, why you are standing there on the stage. The first note justifies the concert. If the first note suck nothing can save the gig. To pull that off takes a great deal of concentration and it might be difficult to prepare mentally if you have to at the same time think about which tempo to follow. With the EDP as master, defining the master clock tempo by the first loop recorded, you only have to think about making that first note as true a you ever can. Late yesterday night I posted in thread and then I woke up this morning with the knowledge that I had forgot to mention the "first loop defining tempo" dimension of running the EDP as the master. Funny ;-) I'm glad I did not dream about looping BTW, because in dreams every loop has a very annoying tendency to repeat all over without ever changing. I may be a word or a smell that just bounces inside your head until you finally wake up, totally exhausted but happy to be out of the loop at last. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 03:23:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3U7JWr19314; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 03:19:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 03:19:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <20050429223415.56623.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> <4272C9B3.1020802@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D3EF83A-7103-4F7E-91C2-361107A65633@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: TIP: Free pitch plug-in software comes with Tiger Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:18:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a tip: If you use software on a Mac for looping there is a nice pitch plug- in AU that comes bundled when upgrading the OS to Tiger. It can pitch up or down two octaves and looks very useful for looping. If you for example run a host application like Live or Numerology that gives easy access to plug-in parameters you can set up a foot pedal with different buttons for different transposing of loops. I guess this is most useful for bass sound because the sonic degrading, that always comes with changing the pitch of audio, doesn't matter that much in low frequencies. My fav application of this new AU pitch plug-in is to put a looping plug-in first on a track (Lexicon PSP42 or Augustus Loop) and then put the Pitch plug-in after the looper. Then record a loop and pitch it through different chord changes etc. You can already transpose a spinning Augustus Loop by sending it midi notes, but that's different because it also changes the speed of the loop, not only the pitch. So by combining these two loop transposing technologies you may set up a pretty nicel looping rig on a Mac that will take you quite far by juggling only two live loops. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 04:57:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3U8sMi31106; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 04:54:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 04:54:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.4.145] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050429170228.88516.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Not enough beeps and boops (was: Too many beeps & boops) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 01:52:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2005 08:52:49.0519 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC9C37F0:01C54D61] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the 80s when I did alopt of collage I used to collect old magazines,and I found several from the 30s that had ads that were using dada-istic imagery. something like "Dada" can start as an esoteric experimental genera, and end up in pop culture via MTV decades later. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 06:00:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3U9pHW05452; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 05:51:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 05:51:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c54d69$e0488100$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Not enough beeps and boops (was: Too many beeps & boops) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:49:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.391.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 09:52 AM Subject: RE: Not enough beeps and boops (was: Too many beeps & boops) > In the 80s when I did alopt of collage I used to collect old > magazines,and I found several from the 30s that had ads that were using > dada-istic imagery. > something like "Dada" can start as an esoteric > experimental genera, and end up in pop culture via MTV > decades later. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 07:05:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3UAvDf13763; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 06:57:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 06:57:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050430103525.02b6ada0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:55:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:EDP: Muting input in Multiply In-Reply-To: <200504292014.j3TKEuu22771@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200504292014.j3TKEuu22771@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 21:14 29/04/05, you wrote: >Here's what I want to do using footcontrollers, and I guess >I just need to hear from someone that it's possible or not >before invest in more equipment or give up on trying. If >I'm missing something obvious that will achieve the same >result that's great news too! >- record a drum loop (say 2-bars) >- end by entering NextLoop (LoopCopy=On), lay in a bassline >of equal length >- end by entering NextLoop, the third and final loop >- mute input (via footpedal switch TBD) while singing >lyrics, unmuting for specific sections to add to this >longer loop (16-bars) The EDP Multiply was originally conceived as an extended overdub. So to switch in and out of OD while Multiplying isn't part of the original deal. In Loop3 the function you want is unsupported unless you use Loop/Delay = dEL In Loop4, set loop/Delay= In (that's the "Interface Mode") Now you can use a feedback pedal to control the input volume. Or, you could replace the pedal with a switch. You can't control Input volume by Midi, that's a restriction of the hardware. >- end by re-entering first (drum) loop in Multiply mode, sorry, can't do that. Re-entering a loop always puts you in either "Play" or "Overdub", depending on what whether you were in Overdub before you left that loop. >add new bassline/guitar/vocals for chorus >- alternate between loops 3 and 1 in Overdub mode, again >muting and unmuting the input signal to add next notes of >chord at each pass, without letting lyrics enter the loop yes >- vamp out on loop 2 applying same mute/unmute approach to >2-bar phrase, gradually reducing feedback to zero. if you want foot control of feedback you'll have to use MIDI here >I have been through the archives a lot lately, but haven't >hit upon anything that addressed my specific question. I'm >sure dozens of you must have tried something like this >before. Anybody pull it off? If so, what are you using as >a momentary switch to mute your input? I understand MIDI >controllers can't be used to change input levels on the >EDP. oh, ...you got that already :-) >Thanks! > >Sam Rogers >OneMouthBand >www.OneMouthBand.com andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 12:14:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3UGBfW28577; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:11:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:11:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jFGfVYW/fYssLO3X40iJ3yDQVoU8qZiba7B6/+NwWAQAFuLbVc7j3seNReNkG5ylt5IYCTEuV7uoA8dVHc3Fe0bWSPYnAjUlkCOoCSTcHyu2F6ix7xVzSl4nq/vRa3R6homOT4iUypP7iCT2197JQowU/lBWQTjJTE2g1+fgZWM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:11:09 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The changing face of "rock" radio. In-Reply-To: <006901c54d1a$e1630aa0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <7a.727b452a.2fa3eed6@aol.com> <006901c54d1a$e1630aa0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j3UGBEx28517 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 4/29/05, SP Goodman wrote: > > > >As a result, many rock programmers aren't sure what to play. > > I wasn't aware that Clear Channel allowed its programmers to choose what to > play. I wasn't aware that they had more than one programmer... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 12:36:41 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3UGY9731827; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1c0.27b50f20.2fa50d40@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:33:04 EDT Subject: Re: That Awful Synching Feeling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c0.27b50f20.2fa50d40_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c0.27b50f20.2fa50d40_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Thanks for the feedback peeps. There are a lot of possibilities=20 to consider (which I already knew, that's the reason I asked). I am still undecided on which will be the "master" (as yet), but I suspect I will just have to experiment around a bit.=20 If I am leaning any direction it is in favor of having the EDP be=20 the"master." However, that would mean I wouldn't be able to=20 take advantage of the Adrenalinn's synched rhythmic FX 'til AFTER the first EDP loop had been established -- kind of=20 a bummer (unless the first loop is empty I guess). I plan on routing the Adrenalinn's instrument FX and canned drum tracks to separate outputs (I hate drum machines anyway and if I use 'em at all they will be thoroughly mangled by other=20 FX). But I'd like the "timed" Adrenalinn FX on my guitar signal=20 to synch to the EDP loops (and/or vise versa) and maybe even to=20 loops samlpes in my SP-303. It all become terribly complicated after that. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_1c0.27b50f20.2fa50d40_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

Thanks for the feedback peeps. There are a lot of possibilities
to consider (which I already knew, that's the reason I asked).
I am still undecided on which will be the "master" (as yet), but
I suspect I will just have to experiment around a bit.

If I am leaning any direction it is in favor of having the EDP be
the"master." However, that would mean I wouldn't be able to
take advantage of the Adrenalinn's synched rhythmic FX 'til
AFTER the first EDP loop had been established -- kind of
a bummer (unless the first loop is empty I guess).

I plan on routing the Adrenalinn's instrument FX and canned
drum tracks to separate outputs (I hate drum machines anyway
and if I use 'em at all they will be thoroughly mangled by other
FX). But I'd like the "timed" Adrenalinn FX on my guitar signal
to synch to the EDP loops (and/or vise versa) and maybe even to
loops samlpes in my SP-303.

It all become terribly complicated after that.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."
--part1_1c0.27b50f20.2fa50d40_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 13:47:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3UHiTt10046; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:44:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:44:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s7d6Qyi0rFlkeeHo8LSDkOK6J6Lexb4pLDqVDQPKX3N1O18vgWvHxkT+N8n4PsMx7u11wn4M5Kuf5w7JeyDHtID+XbK9uWI6TjwJNhf2htPYHJEJ2FniNLoKkQBCTUHugCDlzZTxpK7dCjqFzALyR73o+sbQ25or92NdGy7ru2k= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:43:57 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: That first note (or loop) . . . In-Reply-To: <6d.4463477d.2fa517af@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <6d.4463477d.2fa517af@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id j3UHi2x09988 Resent-Message-ID: <4xFDBB.A.WcC.jP8cCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In a message dated 04/30/05 0:02:43, per@boysen.se writes: > > > The first note justifies the > concert. If the first note sucks nothing can save the gig. > Maybe for you personally (do you just pack up after the first note if it's bad?), but in general that's not true. One can dig oneself out of any hole if necessary. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 13:50:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3UHlsQ10538; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:47:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:47:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr6 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007c01c54ab3$b0446180$699efe91@synthhost> References: <007c01c54ab3$b0446180$699efe91@synthhost> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 02:46:29 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: [LD CD 3] Contributors Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi LD, I sent "LD CD Vol.3 agreement" to contributors in last night. I will get reply for agree or disagree from them within 2 weeks. ( I got 3 reply from them now, I am waiting 18 reply total) if many artists disagree,it means slot is open. then I will ask LD for contribute artists. talk you soon Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 14:11:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3UHINF06858; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:18:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:18:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.4463477d.2fa517af@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:17:35 EDT Subject: That first note (or loop) . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6d.4463477d.2fa517af_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6d.4463477d.2fa517af_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per (et al), In a message dated 04/30/05 0:02:43, per@boysen.se writes: > I think this is one of the keys for doing a good=A0live performance.=20 > The first note you play is the most important! It has to be mean=20 > as hell. It has to be magnificent. The first note (or loop) you play=20 > has to sum up emotionally what you are going to do,=A0why you=20 > are standing there on the stage. The first note justifies the=A0 > concert. If the first note sucks nothing can save the gig. >=20 That's probably why I may never be very good at this. The first note=20 (or lick, or loop) IS important to me -- I build off of it. But it's not THA= T=20 important. I almost prefer to start out with a whisper of something -- or some musical bit or fragment that is sooo minimal that it almost=20 means nothing more than a pulse or slight suggestion of key -- the more ambiguous the better. And, THEN build toward something. One of my favorite compositional techniques is to gradually lure the=20 listener in (promising nothing, but suggesting all sorts of vague mysterious possibilities) and then, suddenly, WHACK them on the side of the head! An example of that is easily heard (before and after) the woozy, depressive=20 eBow intro to the track "Cauterant Baptism" on my CD. Nothing of what's heard BEFORE gives much of a hint of what's coming down the pike right=20 at you AFTER. You can sense something is coming but have no idea what. I like doing that. But then I AM a little sick and twisted anyway. I once saw John Zorn play a rare gig in Southern California with his band, Masada. The opening act was a very creative and LOUD local rock band.=20 When Zorn and Co. took the stage they all played acoustically and very=20 quietly at first -- almost below the level of the ability of audience at the= =20 back of the room to even hear. Nothing had been said. But, the voices=20 and clinking glasses all gradually hushed as everyone strained to hear. Folks were leaning forward in their seats -- expectant. This went on=20 for a minute or two -- 'til there was absolute silence except or the band.=20 Then WHAMMM!!! The players launched full-force into what they are=20 known to do -- a sort of loud, scabrous, free-form, harmolodic mix of squealing, ear-blistering free jazz and klezmer music that had the crown stamping and cheering. That's about the best example of what=20 I'm talking about I've ever seen or heard. It's impressed me ever since. Like I said, I'm sick and twisted. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." --part1_6d.4463477d.2fa517af_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per (et al),

In a message dated 04/30/05 0:02:43, per@boysen.se writes:

I think this is one o= f the keys for doing a good=A0live performance.
The first note you play is the most important! It has to be mean <= FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
as hell. It has to be magnificent. The first note (or loop) you play <= BR> has to sum up emotionally what you are going to do,=A0why you
are standing there on the stage. The first note justifies the=A0
concert. If the first note sucks nothing can save the gig.

That's probably why I may never be very good at this. The first note
(or lick, or loop) IS important to me -- I build off of it. But it's not THA= T
important. I almost prefer to start out with a whisper of something --
or some musical bit or fragment that is sooo minimal that it almost
means nothing more than a pulse or slight suggestion of key -- the
more ambiguous the better. And, THEN build toward something.

One of my favorite compositional techniques is to gradually lure the
listener in (promising nothing, but suggesting all sorts of vague mysterious=
possibilities) and then, suddenly, WHACK them on the side of the head! An example of that is easily heard (before and after) the woozy, depressive eBow intro to the track "Cauterant Baptism" on my CD. Nothing of what's
heard BEFORE gives much of a hint of what's coming down the pike right
at you AFTER. You can sense something is coming but have no idea what.

I like doing that. But then I AM a little sick and twisted anyway.

I once saw John Zorn play a rare gig in Southern California with his band, Masada. The opening act was a very creative and LOUD local rock band.
When Zorn and Co. took the stage they all played acoustically and very
quietly at first -- almost below the level of the ability of audience at the=
back of the room to even hear. Nothing had been said. But, the voices
and clinking glasses all gradually hushed as everyone strained to hear.
Folks were leaning forward in their seats -- expectant. This went on
for a minute or two -- 'til there was absolute silence except or the band. <= BR> Then WHAMMM!!! The players launched full-force into what they are
known to do -- a sort of loud, scabrous, free-form, harmolodic mix
of squealing, ear-blistering free jazz and klezmer music that had the
crown stamping and cheering. That's about the best example of what
I'm talking about I've ever seen or heard. It's impressed me ever since.

Like I said, I'm sick and twisted.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist."<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
--part1_6d.4463477d.2fa517af_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 14:23:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3UIKmr16100; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:20:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:20:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <6d.4463477d.2fa517af@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: That first note (or loop) . . . Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:19:32 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <7xRKQB.A.i4D.7w8cCB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> In a message dated 04/30/05 0:02:43, per@boysen.se writes: >> >> The first note justifies the >> concert. If the first note sucks nothing can save the gig. >> >> > On Apr 30, 2005, at 19:43, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Maybe for you personally (do you just pack up after the first note if > it's bad?), but in general that's not true. One can dig oneself out > of any hole if necessary. > Well, I should have read my post a second time before sending it in ;-) Maybe it's better to say that the first note is setting the direction you must follow! Yes of course you can start digging, but I would rather try to follow that "bad note" into the new direction it implies. What else can you do? And what is a bad first note anyway? When you play music you are constantly changing your plans and directions. Big mistakes are interesting because the force us into adventurous changes. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 14:51:03 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3UImTJ19513; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:48:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:48:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <4273CEDF.3090006@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:30:55 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: That first note (or loop) . . . References: <6d.4463477d.2fa517af@aol.com>

In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per wrote: > When you play music you are constantly changing your plans and > directions. Big mistakes are interesting because the force us into > adventurous changes. > holy words, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 19:07:34 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j3UN4N627050; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:04:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:04:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=LxFLiRVWUyXZp21FwxZmEl9P/Rjhr8H+51/M2VO6Zkai+G6rRUuz1VJ1PTyw96Bw7Fo05HPHUpQ+HW1shpsljgC6Yru2wRxYAFIG1FdMZ02wl7PIxysxOetB+4uLrY4wfctmR1ZGA5npqv3RO6GcdpfNEGs41/KcN57ncDHTKOM= ; Message-ID: <20050430230346.47649.qmail@web41127.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 16:03:46 -0700 (PDT) From: John Corbett Subject: Boomerang for Sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, I'm selling this pedal because I have a limited gear budget and am going to be purchasing a less expensive looper so I can also afford other stuff I want. This is in practically mint condition. It is a Version 2 and comes with the AC adapter, all the original books, a padded gig bag and will be shipped in the original Boomerang box. You can check it out here: http://www.partyeastcarolina.com/photos/fullsize/161939.jpg If you want to see any other pics just feel free to ask but this is basically it. Just thought I would offer it up to this list before putting it on any boards or ebay. The price is $350 shipped. Peace, John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 21:04:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j41126w10619; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:02:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:02:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.216.197] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The changing face of "rock" radio. Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 18:01:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2005 01:01:32.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[50D5BA30:01C54DE9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Though there has been the practice of the bigger players use college radio as sort of farm teams/minor leagues-watching for trends and for which "indie" bands manage to form a solid following ,develope production skills and move product The long term trend in music radio has been for playlists to be dictated from the top of the organization,which tunes get heavy, med. or light rotation being chosen by the numbers..Individual local djs might choose what order the pieces are played in,though often they just pot up a satellite feed,give a station ID every 10 minutes,and punch in carts for local anouncements at prescribed times etc. NPR stations tend to have a bit more local originated programming with djs that have some discretion ,but the overall formatting is quite similar. This will continue to change ,as the new head of has stated his intention to make NPR more attractive to what are called conservatives-what they wish to conserve is unclear to me. Because fm baqndwidth is limited,coopting public radio is very attractive to certain interests,tax deductable sponsorships are cheaper than advertising. Anyone done any PODcasting? Got any bites? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 30 23:21:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j413Hal27929; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:17:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:17:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: That first note (or loop) . . . Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:16:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcVNqVfuHxroTV2kRrqp+vDFKLPg2QAUn/dw In-Reply-To: <6d.4463477d.2fa517af@aol.com> Message-Id: <20050501031701.MHHP16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This reminds me of something Ted told me in Santa Cruz--that he likes to listen to what others are doing (in this case, as separate acts in a festival setting) and then do what no one else is doing. Gary I once saw John Zorn play a rare gig in Southern California with his band, Masada. The opening act was a very creative and LOUD local rock band. When Zorn and Co. took the stage they all played acoustically and very quietly at first -- almost below the level of the ability of audience at the back of the room to even hear. Nothing had been said. But, the voices and clinking glasses all gradually hushed as everyone strained to hear. Folks were leaning forward in their seats -- expectant. This went on for a minute or two -- 'til there was absolute silence except or the band. Then WHAMMM!!! The players launched full-force into what they are known to do -- a sort of loud, scabrous, free-form, harmolodic mix of squealing, ear-blistering free jazz and klezmer music that had the crown stamping and cheering. That's about the best example of what I'm talking about I've ever seen or heard. It's impressed me ever since. Like I said, I'm sick and twisted. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn

Note Name	Equivalent Hz	Equivalent ms	Equivalent bpm*
A1	55	18.182	3300
A#1/Bb1	58.270	17.162	3496.2
B1	61.735	16.198	3704.1
C2	65.406	15.289	3924.4
C#2/Db2	69.296	14.431	4157.7
D2	73.416	13.621	4405
D#2/Eb2	77.782	12.857	4666.9
E2	82.407	12.135	4944.4
F2	87.307	11.454	5238.4
F#2/Gb2	92.499	10.811	5549.9
G2	97.999	10.204	5879.9
G#2/Ab2	103.826	9.632	6229.7
A2	110	9.091	6600