Better than nothing I=20 suppose.

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Krispen = Hartung=20
http://www.krispenhartung.com= =20
info@krispenhartung.com

-----Original Message-----
From: = loop.pool=20 [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 05, = 2004 4:37=20 PM
To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)
Subject: LOOPERS = and=20 VISUAL ARTISTS

been loving the list lately: a lot of = really=20 creative, informative and thought provoking posts.

The constraint/randomness thread has veered = into a=20 discussion about

loopers and visual arts.

I think of myself as a visual primitive or a = visual=20 wannabee.

I make all the artwork on my CDs by using = Photoshop's=20 plugins in the same way that I

use guitar stomp box pedals to morph = audio.

I also love hand imagery and my house if full = of a=20 collection of photos, statues, furntiture,paintings,

toys of Hands so , consequently, I try = to make=20 little found object sculptures of hands, drawings of = hands

and computer generated art with hand = themes.  =20 My studio is called Purple Hand Studio and I've both

made many purple and black hands and also = commissioned a=20 half a dozen artists to make

hands for it using only blueish Purples, Black = or Clear=20 (in the case of glass artists), so the whole room

(with purple computers/screens, et. al.) is = full of=20 those objects.

I am also fascinated by toy photography and am = part of=20 the toy photography tribe at tribe dot net, which is a very, very = creative=20 group of artists.   Go check out the gallery there, I have a = few=20 photographs in the gallery.   I'm on the verge of proposing = a CT=20 Collective BICYCLE multi media project to go along with the =

TC (Toy Camera) tribe BICYLCE project in the=20 spring.

Lastly,   I really want to get into = creating=20 very minimalistic and impressionistic visual loops to project during = my=20 shows. I have all the software necessary to do this but I'm = still stuck=20 being unable to afford

those pricey LCD projectors. ( I know, I = know,=20 they've really come down in price but they are still in = the

$1,000 range which is out of my possible = budget). =20 One can dream, of course!!!!!

in the loopers who do visual art category, = check out the=20 beautiful and minimalistic CD cover artistry of

Claude Voit.    He is an=20 artist!!

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C4DAF4.65970D10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 21:08:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB626X631388; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:06:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:06:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c4db38$1330e700$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT $posting$" Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:05:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <002F0C.A.3oH.157sBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dr. Z wrote: "I'm dreaming in that direction too. The projectors I've been lusting after are a little pricier, being in the $1,500-$1,800 range. This is because I've been looking at XGA resolution and brighter lamps. I know, those are the ones I"ve lusted after as well and they are way out of my ability to afford. I've been thinking about seeing if I could write some kind of a grant for a project that would include this equipment and see if I could hookwink some foundation into paying for the projector. Probably a pipe dream but you never know. Stranger things have happened. Dr. Z also wrote: "I've done a lot of performances with visuals, primarily with a combination of multiple slide projectors on multiple screens together with movement performance and manipulation of simple props. At some point I'll put some images up on the Web." Wow, Richard, I have so much respect for everything I"ve ever heard you see or do that I would love to see some of your images on the Web. I thought that someday many years from now I might get the courage to do a gallery show with my modest hand art. It's pretty creative if technically unsophisticated. Then again, one of my favorite art museums on the planet is the wonderful folk art museum outside of Santa Fe, New Mexico. If you ever want to see an awesome display of Hand milagros from all over the world, they have it there. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 23:41:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB64e8217130; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:40:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:40:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001301c4db2f$11f5e510$6c01a8c0@khartung> References: <001301c4db2f$11f5e510$6c01a8c0@khartung> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 20:35:43 -0800 To: , From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:01 PM -0700 12/5/04, Krispen Hartung wrote: >my own company (HP) even makes a kick ass one that is about $1800. >It is a beautiful piece of technology about the size of a cigar box. What model HP? I've been looking at the Epson 81c. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 23:47:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB64jrW18163; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:45:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:45:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:45:00 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c4db4e$5856ebc0$6c01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's the site: www.hp.com/go/projector Click the "On the Road" section...very fitting for musicians. There are two LCD projectors in that price range. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:36 PM To: info@krispenhartung.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS At 6:01 PM -0700 12/5/04, Krispen Hartung wrote: >my own company (HP) even makes a kick ass one that is about $1800. >It is a beautiful piece of technology about the size of a cigar box. What model HP? I've been looking at the Epson 81c. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 04:59:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB69vvN18876; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 04:57:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 04:57:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c4db7a$019c4c90$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <41B227BC.9000904@finleysound.com> Subject: Re: baffling EDP & All Access problem Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:45:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm hoping some of you EDP and All Access users can help me troubleshoot > this weirdness. > > I'm using the All Access to control various functions of the EDP via its > Instant Access Switches (setup as MIDI VirtualButtons). I have one switch > setup as Record. Everything works fine until I Long-Press Record. The > current loop resets fine, but if I change to a different preset on the All > Access, the EDP begins recording even though the new preset is not sending > any MIDI information on the EDP's defined MIDI channel. Any ideas as to > what is happening? > > Matt > Matt I strongly doubt that the edp starts recording without getting a midi message. I would recommend that you read your all acces midi output with a midi monitor like midi ox www.midiox.com/ Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 05:12:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6ABVN20172; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 05:11:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 05:11:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041206100103.0283a120@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:09:18 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Stuck EDP In-Reply-To: <200412060102.iB612pM20208@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200412060102.iB612pM20208@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9I56rD.A.a5E.IADtBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I can't seem to get the EDP "unstuck." I've tried the long "multiply" > general reset and the long record button reset. I've turned off the EDP > and turned it back on, but it keeps turning on in some strange mode that > lets me record a new loop but it keeps recording after I hit the record > button again to stop. Quick answer. Long Undo in Reset. >IIt seems to be remembering something that I would rather have it forget. Long Answer. Yes, it seems you inadvertently programmed a BPM setting. When in reset, you can hit "Undo", and use the Feedback knob to enter a BPM setting. Then the EDP calculates loop length based on 8th/Cycle. This stays in memory, and can be saved to a Preset. It can then be removed by entering Reset and pressing a Long Undo. If you need to reset to factory settings (which you don't this time) simply hold down the parameter button when you switch the machine on. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 07:30:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6CTcq05782; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 07:29:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 07:29:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: kaori.servidores.unam.mx: apache set sender to smaug@servidor.unam.mx using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP For sale Message-ID: <1102336138.41b4508a8ab49@132.248.10.8> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 06:28:58 -0600 (CST) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx References: <011901c4d843$23c3a7d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41AECC78.6060107@pdq.net> <70FE053A-46E7-11D9-8D5D-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <70FE053A-46E7-11D9-8D5D-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 132.248.10.9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! is your EDP still for sale? Thanx, Andy Mensaje citado por: Larry Cooperman : > > I have a tan EDP with Loop 3 software and foot pedal all in great > working condition. > > I want $725 + shipping for it and I'll pack it for war. Paypal is > good, MO, cashiers check or shoot, I'll take a personal check from a > looper that has a job. > > > > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > ------------------------------------------------- www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 09:23:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6EMC119622; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:22:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:22:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c4db9e$e6639c60$0407a8c0@eluk01> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <006a01c4db38$1330e700$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:21:37 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do not be a silly man! There are less expensive solutions that don't have a shiny, clean box around them, and most likely appeal to ones' yen for the nuts-and-bolts of things: Guerrilla Drive-In - Something I really feel left out on not being in the US. This seems to be going on in vacant lots with a laptop, a power supply, and a homemade video projector costing as little as $200 to make. http://www.tikaro.com/gdi/ Towards the bottom of the above page you'll see the instructions for making said projector: http://www.audiovisualizers.com/madlab/lcd_proj.htm Cheap, not unreliable, and, I might add, a good use for something that would otherwise be a toxic land-fill problem. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > Dr. Z wrote: > "I'm dreaming in that direction too. The projectors I've been lusting > after are a little pricier, being in the $1,500-$1,800 range. This is > because I've been looking at XGA resolution and brighter lamps. > > I know, those are the ones I"ve lusted after as well and they are way out > of my ability to afford. I've been thinking about > seeing if I could write some kind of a grant for a project that would > include > this equipment and see if I could hookwink some foundation into paying for > the projector. Probably a pipe dream but you never know. Stranger things > have > happened. > > > Dr. Z also wrote: > "I've done a lot of performances with visuals, primarily with a > combination of multiple slide projectors on multiple screens together > with movement performance and manipulation of simple props. At some > point I'll put some images up on the Web." > > Wow, Richard, I have so much respect for everything I"ve ever heard you see > or do that I would > love to see some of your images on the Web. I thought that someday many > years from now I might > get the courage to do a gallery show with my modest hand art. It's pretty > creative if technically > unsophisticated. Then again, one of my favorite art museums on the > planet is the wonderful folk > art museum outside of Santa Fe, New Mexico. If you ever want to see an > awesome display of > Hand milagros from all over the world, they have it there. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 10:11:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6F9ao25633; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:09:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:09:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:08:52 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: CONSTRAINT OF RANDOMNESS To: Adrian Likins , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ed01c4dba5$c59b69c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20041204205208.GB20564@redhat.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boy oh boy, I've been enjoying this thread big time - this and the Britney Spears thread, particularly the "Mr. Intellectual bloop bleep" riff (which I've been saying for YEARS in some form or another about my own loop based music). But re. music and the visual arts: I had some of my loop-based stuff on the ther day while my son was listening, and I asked him what he thought it sounded like. He immediately replied: "Painting." He also gave this critique of some music from his second grade class: "Mrs. Hibbard played some Clay Aiken Christmas song for us today. Nicky and I didn't like it; it wasn't very musical." I'm very proud of my boy! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 10:14:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6FDJ026728; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:13:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:13:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <1102336138.41b4508a8ab49@132.248.10.8> References: <011901c4d843$23c3a7d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41AECC78.6060107@pdq.net> <70FE053A-46E7-11D9-8D5D-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <1102336138.41b4508a8ab49@132.248.10.8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: EDP For sale Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 07:10:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Dec 6, 2004, at 4:28 AM, smaug@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > > Hi! > > is your EDP still for sale? > > Thanx, > > Andy > > Hi Andy, Yes. Happy Trails, Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 12:44:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6Hh0D14656; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:43:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:43:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <1102336138.41b4508a8ab49@132.248.10.8> References: <011901c4d843$23c3a7d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41AECC78.6060107@pdq.net> <70FE053A-46E7-11D9-8D5D-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <1102336138.41b4508a8ab49@132.248.10.8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: EDP For sale Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:40:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Dec 6, 2004, at 4:28 AM, smaug@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > > Hi! > > is your EDP still for sale? > > Thanx, > > Andy > > Hi Andy and Adrian, I know how hard they are to get in Ireland because I decided I was Irish just recently. So I know everything now! So what do you say that we help out a fellow Irishman and if our other gentlelooper is in the US, he has first right you know, has no objection, we help out a person who probably has a hell of a time getting an EDP? I will sell my other EDP after NAMM and the remaining gentlelooper will get that one in a month for more? It is a new black one with loop IV. I reserve the right to keep it and not sell. Note to self, see lawyer... Let's put it to a vote unlike the every four year kind in the US? I dunno, i dunno, i, donno, fade...... I am a gentlelooper and have to do the right thing you know ect and stuff, Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 13:22:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6IKjW19523; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:20:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:20:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:19:52 EST Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f4.456b7605.2ee5fcc8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f4.456b7605.2ee5fcc8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, This has also been a yen of mine for years. I spent 10 years=20 in 3 colleges in 2 countries getting degrees in Fine Art that are basically now just so much useless closet clutter to me. But a way=20 to seriously goose my latent "visual art" jones and incorporate=20 it into the musical schtick that I do has long been on my wish list.=20 Then again, there are always the usual manifold impediments to this.=20 Yeah. I'm a "the glass is half empty" kinda guy all too often. As long as semi-hi-quality dependable video projection units costs about as much as a second-hand Eventide I won't be able to afford one of those either. Not to mention I yearn to=20 include motion video as well (not just project stills from a laptop) and a digital video camera worth its salt is gonna cost many=20 times the price of new kid's school shoes at PayLess. I don't=20 think Santa Clause will be bringing me one of those either. I am saddled with so much music gear already that seems=20 bug ridden or gremlin prone (or opperator-error prone) that=20 I am practically performance paranoid as it is. Do I really want=20 to add another layer of technological goo and anxiety on top of=20 that paralyzing cocktail?=20 Even though I am trained as a visual artist, when it comes to=20 adding a background visual component to a performance I=20 almost always leave that to someone else to worry about (even if they are "less qualified"). Case in point. I have an acquaintance who likes to make surrealist collages out of magazine images and photograph them to make slides. The images are pretty=20 dopey at times but he is better at managing 2 or 3 projectors and doing all of the transitions than I would be. So . . . he's happy . . . I'm happy . . . and there's some visual "eye candy" for the=20 audience and I don't even have to worry about it.=20 As much as the creative side of me wants to do something like this,=20 the practical/realisic side always comes in and asks "Okay. How?" And then there's the rebellious curmudgeon in me that is sick and tired of feeling like I have to compete with television and/or Brittany=20 whoever in an evermore AD/HD world. I always talk myself out of it using one rationale or another. My hat's off and more power to ya if you can do it -- pull it off=20 successfully (a la Laurie Anderson) as a one person audio/video=20 band and still enjoy the basic music-making experience. I guess the further away from the joy of simple music-making I get the=20 more like work it seems. At heart I just wanna be a simple guitar=20 player.=20 Then again its Monday. I'm always grumpy on Mondays. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play to quite pleasing effect. --part1_f4.456b7605.2ee5fcc8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

This has also been a yen of mine for years. I spent 10 years
in 3 colleges in 2 countries getting degrees in Fine Art that are
basically now just so much useless closet clutter to me. But a way
to seriously goose my latent "visual art" jones and incorporate
it into the musical schtick that I do has long been on my wish list.
Then again, there are always the usual manifold impediments to this.
Yeah. I'm a "the glass is half empty" kinda guy all too often.

As long as semi-hi-quality dependable video projection units
costs about as much as a second-hand Eventide I won't be
able to afford one of those either. Not to mention I yearn to
include motion video as well (not just project stills from a laptop)
and a digital video camera worth its salt is gonna cost many
times the price of new kid's school shoes at PayLess. I don't
think Santa Clause will be bringing me one of those either.

I am saddled with so much music gear already that seems
bug ridden or gremlin prone (or opperator-error prone) that
I am practically performance paranoid as it is. Do I really want
to add another layer of technological goo and anxiety on top of
that paralyzing cocktail?

Even though I am trained as a visual artist, when it comes to
adding a background visual component to a performance I
almost always leave that to someone else to worry about (even
if they are "less qualified"). Case in point. I have an acquaintance
who likes to make surrealist collages out of magazine images
and photograph them to make slides. The images are pretty
dopey at times but he is better at managing 2 or 3 projectors
and doing all of the transitions than I would be. So . . . he's happy
. . . I'm happy . . . and there's some visual "eye candy" for the
audience and I don't even have to worry about it.

As much as the creative side of me wants to do something like this,
the practical/realisic side always comes in and asks "Okay. How?"
And then there's the rebellious curmudgeon in me that is sick and
tired of feeling like I have to compete with television and/or Brittany
whoever in an evermore AD/HD world. I always talk myself out of it
using one rationale or another.

My hat's off and more power to ya if you can do it -- pull it off
successfully (a la Laurie Anderson) as a one person audio/video
band and still enjoy the basic music-making experience. I guess
the further away from the joy of simple music-making I get the
more like work it seems. At heart I just wanna be a simple guitar
player.

Then again its Monday. I'm always grumpy on Mondays.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???

In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an
astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry
and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the
same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous
mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and
all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing
musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play
to quite pleasing effect.
--part1_f4.456b7605.2ee5fcc8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 13:39:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6IcFM22306; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:38:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:38:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:35:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, with all this talk about mulitmedia and The Mysterium I would like to perform at a police line-up and the photographing of the final criminal being inducted into jail. I could project over the line up room, women from the early Radio City Music Hall days, doing all sorts of Zeigfield type stuff. Maybe some early Minstrel, Al Jolson and so forth... Then, after my over abundant joy would reach the limits of earthly containment. I would be swept up into the cosmos with dead comedians like Rodney, Henny, George, Lenny and many others, smoking cigars and drinking the liquor of eternity. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 13:59:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6IwHt25502; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:58:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:58:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--501805522 Message-Id: From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:57:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-8--501805522 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Dec 6, 2004, at 1:19 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > I am saddled with so much music gear already that seems > bug ridden or gremlin prone (or opperator-error prone) that > I am practically performance paranoid as it is. Do I really want > to add another layer of technological goo and anxiety on top of > that paralyzing cocktail? i've been using max/msp/jitter to build visual/sound instruments (mostly for specific pieces and hence somewhat specialized) that allow the use of a single interface to manipulate both visuals and sound. the great thing about max is that you can tailor your instrument to do just what you need and no more, saving your cpu resources for more important things. one of my favorite setups is a "visual looper" - essentially just like an overdubbing loop device for visuals. it can work with movie clips or live camera inputs. radiohead used the same kind of setup for their last us tour. > My hat's off and more power to ya if you can do it -- pull it off > successfully (a la Laurie Anderson) as a one person audio/video > band and still enjoy the basic music-making experience. I guess > the further away from the joy of simple music-making I get the > more like work it seems. At heart I just wanna be a simple guitar > player. laurie has a team of brilliant people - like perry hoberman - who work with her on the visuals, and have been for years. bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --Apple-Mail-8--501805522 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Dec 6, 2004, at 1:19 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: Geneva I am saddled with so much music gear already that seems Geneva bug ridden or gremlin prone (or opperator-error prone) that Geneva I am practically performance paranoid as it is. Do I really want Geneva to add another layer of technological goo and anxiety on top of Geneva that paralyzing cocktail? i've been using max/msp/jitter to build visual/sound instruments (mostly for specific pieces and hence somewhat specialized) that allow the use of a single interface to manipulate both visuals and sound. the great thing about max is that you can tailor your instrument to do just what you need and no more, saving your cpu resources for more important things. one of my favorite setups is a "visual looper" - essentially just like an overdubbing loop device for visuals. it can work with movie clips or live camera inputs. radiohead used the same kind of setup for their last us tour. Geneva My hat's off and more power to ya if you can do it -- pull it off Geneva successfully (a la Laurie Anderson) as a one person audio/video Geneva band and still enjoy the basic music-making experience. I guess Geneva the further away from the joy of simple music-making I get the Geneva more like work it seems. At heart I just wanna be a simple guitar Geneva player. laurie has a team of brilliant people - like perry hoberman - who work with her on the visuals, and have been for years. bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com --Apple-Mail-8--501805522-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 14:05:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6J3eu27226; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:03:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:03:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <145.3a69a9ba.2ee606e7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:03:03 EST Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1102359783" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5001 Resent-Message-ID: <3P8NAD.A.ooG.zzKtBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1102359783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/2004 11:38:17 AM Mountain Standard Time, coop@newmillguitar.com writes: smoking cigars and drinking the liquor of eternity. Would it be possible to smoke the cigar of eternity instead Larry? bryan helm -------------------------------1102359783 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 12/6/2004 11:38:17 AM Mountain Standard Time,=20 coop@newmillguitar.com writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>smoking=20 cigars and
drinking the liquor of eternity.

Would it be possible to smoke the cigar of eternity instead=20 Larry?

= ; &nb= sp; &= nbsp; = ; &nb= sp; &= nbsp; =20 bryan helm

-------------------------------1102359783-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 14:39:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6Jbrw32531; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:37:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:37:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:36:17 -0500 From: Adrian Likins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS Message-ID: <20041206193617.GA16760@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <00b601c4db23$5f0d9340$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00b601c4db23$5f0d9340$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 03:37:23PM -0800, loop.pool wrote: > I think of myself as a visual primitive or a visual wannabee. > I make all the artwork on my CDs by using Photoshop's plugins in the same way that I > use guitar stomp box pedals to morph audio. > heh. I hadn't thought about it before you mentioned this, but for a long time my main visual art outlet was creating abstract tiling images, often by manipulating simple drawings with tons of processing. It had never occured to me the obvious similarities with my loop based music. simple idea -> mondo processing -> manipulated to repeat endlessly I mostly used Gimp[1] to do the image processing, sometimes hacking in new features to allow me to more easily do this (http://adrian.gimp.org/texture_tut/ is an example of this). Now that I think about it, the image I usually use as a user icon/avatar/etc on sites that have it is an image that tiles in x and y, and loops in time[2] Now you've got me wondering what the literary/video/etc parallels to that basic process are? (I don't seem to have many examples online anymore, but theres a few more at http://www.japanairband.com/adrian/textures/) ps. I don't mean to keep highjacking this thread to point at my stuff, just hard to explain without a good example or two... [1] http://www.gimp.org [2] http://adrian.gimp.org/melt.html Adrian Likins http://www.phasmatodea.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 15:23:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6KMW809773; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:22:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:22:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:14:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1109758036==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1109758036==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:19 PM -0500 12/6/04, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >As long as semi-hi-quality dependable video projection units >costs about as much as a second-hand Eventide I won't be >able to afford one of those either. This and other posts stress the economic restrictions on doing video projection, and this is a very real problem for most of us. I've never worked with video projection but I have used multiple slide projectors and theatrical lighting instruments on a number of pieces. I've also seen a lot of high-impact, low-budget media performance. In my pieces (a half-dozen fairly large works over a half-dozen years during the 1980s) I used what I liked to call the "Egyptian method." That is, in the absence of a lot of unaffordable multi-image automation gear I used a bunch of borrowed slide projectors and a bunch of human operators. The maximum setup, for a professional (but still low-budget) theatrical run used a dozen projectors run by six people. I also used multiple projection surfaces (one static wall screen and three mobile screens in one piece, even more movable surfaces such as chunks of fabric in another). I used hundreds of slides, and I played around with movement and variable focus of the projectors. I used a combination of front, rear, and side projection, and I combined projected images with shadow play. I also used costumed performers, simple props, and staging elements. None of this was at all high-tech nor was any of it particularly expensive. It could also be fairly compact and efficient to produce. For instance, I did a couple of pieces with just a small number of projectors (2 or 3) and a small company of technician/performers (4 or 5) to produce some very effective work. I think the key element in the success of this was the "cleverness factor." It's always possible to make a big impression by throwing lots of fast-moving images at an audience, but much can be done with simpler means if one is very judicious in the selection and preparation of the images and if one is "crafty" in the presentation. That's why Laurie Anderson has always been so effective, even in her earliest period when she had almost no budget and was working with the simplest of technologies. Making a connection to another thread in a current discussion: When a minimalist performance element (repeating rhythm patterns were considered) becomes a primary determinant of the art experience the mind begins to cast about for other details to focus on. An invariant or slow-evolving performative focal point can serve as a mandala or mantra for the observing (meditating) mind while other subtle and more "punctual" elements can produce stronger effects than they might if they were in competition with denser and more energetic elements. This can work in a variety of ways. Something need not be static to seem invariant (think of the way we tune out very active crowd noise are tune in on simpler messages that are "swimming" in the chaos). The main thing is to play on the mind's adaptiveness to those things that change and those that do not, and to explore our perceptual pattern-making behaviors. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1109758036==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS

At 1:19 PM -0500 12/6/04, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

As long as semi-hi-quality dependable video projection units
costs about as much as a second-hand Eventide I won't be

able to afford one of those either.

This and other posts stress the economic restrictions on doing video projection, and this is a very real problem for most of us.

I've never worked with video projection but I have used multiple slide projectors and theatrical lighting instruments on a number of pieces. I've also seen a lot of high-impact, low-budget media performance.

In my pieces (a half-dozen fairly large works over a half-dozen years during the 1980s) I used what I liked to call the "Egyptian method." That is, in the absence of a lot of unaffordable multi-image automation gear I used a bunch of borrowed slide projectors and a bunch of human operators. The maximum setup, for a professional (but still low-budget) theatrical run used a dozen projectors run by six people. I also used multiple projection surfaces (one static wall screen and three mobile screens in one piece, even more movable surfaces such as chunks of fabric in another). I used hundreds of slides, and I played around with movement and variable focus of the projectors. I used a combination of front, rear, and side projection, and I combined projected images with shadow play. I also used costumed performers, simple props, and staging elements.

None of this was at all high-tech nor was any of it particularly expensive. It could also be fairly compact and efficient to produce. For instance, I did a couple of pieces with just a small number of projectors (2 or 3) and a small company of technician/performers (4 or 5) to produce some very effective work.

I think the key element in the success of this was the "cleverness factor." It's always possible to make a big impression by throwing lots of fast-moving images at an audience, but much can be done with simpler means if one is very judicious in the selection and preparation of the images and if one is "crafty" in the presentation. That's why Laurie Anderson has always been so effective, even in her earliest period when she had almost no budget and was working with the simplest of technologies.

Making a connection to another thread in a current discussion: When a minimalist performance element (repeating rhythm patterns were considered) becomes a primary determinant of the art experience the mind begins to cast about for other details to focus on. An invariant or slow-evolving performative focal point can serve as a mandala or mantra for the observing (meditating) mind while other subtle and more "punctual" elements can produce stronger effects than they might if they were in competition with denser and more energetic elements.

This can work in a variety of ways. Something need not be static to seem invariant (think of the way we tune out very active crowd noise are tune in on simpler messages that are "swimming" in the chaos). The main thing is to play on the mind's adaptiveness to those things that change and those that do not, and to explore our perceptual pattern-making behaviors.

--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD
(818) 788-2202

http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com

--============_-1109758036==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 16:11:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6LAYO21152; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:10:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:10:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Frederik Leroux-Roels Subject: Help Me!!Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus Problem:NOISY!!! Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:08:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Fellow Loopers, This is a very desperate call for help on account of my very moody Gibson Echoplex. I don't know what's wrong with it. This is quite a long message, but I would really appreciate it if you could read it and maybe help me out.... After a long period of research and saving money, I finally bought a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. I'm from Belgium and since it's impossible to get the unit over here (everywhere in Europe it seems to be really hard to get one), I ordered it with Musician's Friend and had it delivered in NY to the place of friends of mine. When they came back to Belgium they brought it with them. So here is where the horror begins.... I got it out of the box and plugged it in ( off course with the voltage switched to 230V). It wasn't functioning at all. None of the functions seemed to be working. It was operating in Quantizing Mode (000) but the parameter setting wasn't!!! What I did was resetting it to the factory settings by holding down the parameter button while turning it on. And then I thought I had it fixed. The basic recording function and overdub function were working properly. But I started noticing something else : the quality of the sampled material wasn't good at all. When play backing, I hear the recorded material really clear but the Echoplex seems to add a lot of noise/ hiss. And I know for sure the Echoplex is the cause. I tried different cables, different guitar, no effects in between,.... but it's still there. If you hit the record button and don't play anything, and then hit the record button again (play back), it's a really really obvious and loud hiss sound. Like all of this isn't enough.... I also think the undo function isn't functioning properly.For example, I record a very short phrase and make sure the Undo LED is green. When I hit it, sometimes it gets rid of the overdub right away, sometimes I have to hit it twice or even three times, or sometimes I hit it but there's still a fragment left of the overdub. You see, it doesn't make any sense. To me, it just looks like I have a defective unit. Oh yeah, I also checked if it's the footpedal or not....and it's not. When I push the parameter buttons it also reacts in this odd way. Please, help me! If anyone has had similar problems, please let me know. Or if you know what the problem is and think I'm not too bright, please let me know! I'm worried that I would have to send it back to the USA, because not a single Gibson distributor or retailer over here seems to know about the unit. Anyway, thank you for reading all of this and I hope to hear from some of you soon. Thanks, Frederik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 18:47:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB6Njki17295; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:45:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:45:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <1102336138.41b4508a8ab49@132.248.10.8> References: <011901c4d843$23c3a7d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41AECC78.6060107@pdq.net> <70FE053A-46E7-11D9-8D5D-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <1102336138.41b4508a8ab49@132.248.10.8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <981D601E-47E0-11D9-80F6-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: EDP For sale Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:43:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Dec 6, 2004, at 4:28 AM, smaug@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > > Hi! > > is your EDP still for sale? > > Thanx, > > Andy > Didn't want to scare anyone away by my magnanimity so I guess it's first come first serve on the EDP. Adrian was very kind about it, he's the Dude from Ireland and has no preference about it. I wouldn't say that I'm 100% on selling my Loop IV but if I find something at NAMM 2005 I like better I'm going for it and will sell this one. So it's yours or Adrian's first will get it. It's all works 100% and the pedal is got low miles. I ain't much of a looper. Thanks Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 21:45:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB72i0912273; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:44:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:44:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41B518C1.7050908@finleysound.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:43:13 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: baffling EDP & All Access problem References: <41B227BC.9000904@finleysound.com> <000301c4db7a$019c4c90$0100a8c0@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 23aae711ae94f02c420d65a3f5d34ad29ef193a6bfc3dd4881187ac0495093e0d5f95e45d90471f17ef9f80aaf77e5a4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.81.218.241 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, I used a MIDI monitor as you suggested and confirmed that the All Access is not sending any MIDI data on the EDP's channel. Another LD member emailed me privately, no doubt for fear of reprisals, and said he has had similar problems. Perhaps I've stumbled upon a bug....errr...undocumented feature of the EDP. Maybe Kim will chime in and set us all straight. Matt >> I'm hoping some of you EDP and All Access users can help me >> troubleshoot this weirdness. >> >> I'm using the All Access to control various functions of the EDP via >> its Instant Access Switches (setup as MIDI VirtualButtons). I have >> one switch setup as Record. Everything works fine until I Long-Press >> Record. The current loop resets fine, but if I change to a different >> preset on the All Access, the EDP begins recording even though the >> new preset is not sending any MIDI information on the EDP's defined >> MIDI channel. Any ideas as to what is happening? >> >> Matt >> > > Matt > > I strongly doubt that the edp starts recording without getting a midi > message. > > I would recommend that you read your all acces midi output with a midi > monitor like midi ox > www.midiox.com/ > > > Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 22:05:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB733nJ14935; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:03:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:03:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041206185705.0584e850@mail.creepingfog.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:01:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: baffling EDP & All Access problem In-Reply-To: <41B518C1.7050908@finleysound.com> References: <41B227BC.9000904@finleysound.com> <000301c4db7a$019c4c90$0100a8c0@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you have other devices between the EDP and the All Access, make sure to monitor the midi stream as you use it. That is, hook up your PC to the EDP thru instead of the All Access midi out. It could be that something between them is causing the problem. At 06:43 PM 2004.12.06, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: >Claude, > >I used a MIDI monitor as you suggested and confirmed that the All Access is not sending any MIDI data on the EDP's channel. Another LD member emailed me privately, no doubt for fear of reprisals, and said he has had similar problems. Perhaps I've stumbled upon a bug....errr...undocumented feature of the EDP. Maybe Kim will chime in and set us all straight. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 22:28:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB73Qds18192; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:26:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:26:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:26:05 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: baffling EDP & All Access problem In-reply-to: <41B518C1.7050908@finleysound.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <41B522CD.508@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <41B227BC.9000904@finleysound.com> <000301c4db7a$019c4c90$0100a8c0@mini> <41B518C1.7050908@finleysound.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > Claude, > > I used a MIDI monitor as you suggested and confirmed that the All Access > is not sending any MIDI data on the EDP's channel. Another LD member > emailed me privately, no doubt for fear of reprisals, and said he has > had similar problems. Perhaps I've stumbled upon a > bug....errr...undocumented feature of the EDP. Maybe Kim will chime in > and set us all straight. I'm going out on a limb here, but its impossible for the EDP to start recording again unless it is being sent SOMETHING. You say "not sending MIDI data on the EDP's defined channel". So are some messages being sent, just not on the EDP channel? What are they? Does one of them look like a Record command, but on a different channel? From what I remember of the AA, you can cause the state of the instant access switches to be stored in each preset, which will then be sent whenever the preset is selected. This is useful for toggle switches that control things like an effects unit, but is not what you want for momentary switches controlling the EDP. Make sure you have not stored switch state in the AA preset. I forget what AA calls this, you need to configure the switches as "momentary" rather than "toggle". Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 6 23:59:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB74vrl31508; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:57:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:57:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41B53807.8030105@finleysound.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:56:39 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: baffling EDP & All Access problem References: <41B227BC.9000904@finleysound.com> <000301c4db7a$019c4c90$0100a8c0@mini> <5.2.1.1.0.20041206185705.0584e850@mail.creepingfog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 23aae711ae94f02c420d65a3f5d34ad29ef193a6bfc3dd4891fa9ecb6993216ba6fe5643e2456c7d666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.81.216.5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sean Echevarria wrote: >If you have other devices between the EDP and the All Access, make sure to monitor the midi stream as you use it. That is, hook up your PC to the EDP thru instead of the All Access midi out. It could be that something between them is causing the problem. > Good idea. I'll try that. I did confirm that all my effects processors were set not to re-transmit any MIDI data - but maybe something is sneaking through. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 00:09:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB757Pp00631; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:07:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:07:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41B53A6B.5080303@finleysound.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:06:51 -0800 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: baffling EDP & All Access problem References: <41B227BC.9000904@finleysound.com> <000301c4db7a$019c4c90$0100a8c0@mini> <41B518C1.7050908@finleysound.com> <41B522CD.508@sun.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 23aae711ae94f02c420d65a3f5d34ad29ef193a6bfc3dd4891fa9ecb6993216b5f80b481491f96b53899c79c7caf56c9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.81.216.5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff Larson wrote:

You say "not sending MIDI data on the EDP's defined channel". So are
some messages being sent, just not on the EDP channel? What are they?
Does one of them look like a Record command, but on a different channel?

Exactly. After resetting a loop using a Long-Press of Record, I'm switching presets on my other processors via the All Access. The only thing that is getting sent is MIDI program changes. In this case, on channel 1 & 3 (the EDP is set to channel 4).

From what I remember of the AA, you can cause the state of the instant
access switches to be stored in each preset, which will then be sent
whenever the preset is selected. This is useful for toggle switches
that control things like an effects unit, but is not what you want
for momentary switches controlling the EDP. Make sure you have
not stored switch state in the AA preset. I forget what AA calls this,
you need to configure the switches as "momentary" rather than "toggle".

I think you may be referring to setting the instant access switches to either "global" or "preset." Mine is set to "global". I've double check that they are also set to "momentary" - which, if I remember right, was the only setting that I could get it to work with the EDP properly.

Matt

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 02:44:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB77gYo21951; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 02:42:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 02:42:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041207072116.02819700@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 07:40:57 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Help Me!!Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro In-Reply-To: <200412062347.iB6Nlap17594@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200412062347.iB6Nlap17594@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 23:47 06/12/04, you wrote: >When play backing, I hear the recorded material really clear but the >Echoplex seems to add a lot of noise/ hiss. And I know for sure the >Echoplex is the cause. I tried different cables, different guitar, no >effects in between,.... but it's still there. If you hit the record >button and don't play anything, and then hit the record button again (play >back), it's a really really obvious and loud hiss sound. EDP is essentially a line level device. So if you're using it direct to guitar amp, it may be a bit hard to set the volumes right. ...but try putting input level up till just before distortion (LED=orange) and turning down the Output. That should help with the noise. Or try putting EDP in your amp's FX loop. >Like all of this isn't enough.... I also think the undo function isn't >functioning properly Your Undo is working correctly. >.For example, I record a very short phrase and make sure the Undo LED is >green. When I hit it, sometimes it gets rid of the overdub right away, >sometimes I have to hit it twice or even three times, Either because Feedback wasn't on full, or because there was a layer of something recorded over your overdub, maybe not loud enough to notice, but the EDP recorded it. >or sometimes I hit it but there's still a fragment left of the overdub. ...try a Long Press of Undo to get rid of more of your overdub. There's an explanation in the manual about Undo. ...but consider that the EDP has no way of "knowing" where your overdub starts and ends, so it can't always just delete the bit you want it to. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 12:30:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB7HSVi04778; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:28:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:28:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=F4Ee9NNY1Ij7EVdVFRK32367Nx3KiZic7lbLFi0tKm5a/xoqDjsroYtI7wSPn6doNyiAbXq1Wg9SBVWzdV3ORf0kIw1gZGyuN7FpsuiftnFZtqWEefsyrXP4YQxWFw4NLMURqNqtyj8lIy3G6mVskBGr67Y/IOeO4hbI8v0UGh8= ; Message-ID: <20041207172735.61910.qmail@web20429.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:27:35 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: LOOPERS & VISUAL ARTISTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com since most of the discussion has centered around incorporating visuals w/ live looping performances (could try slides, or get old movie projectors, that was a pretty common thing for multi-media artists back in 80's-90's, using found films or making your own). one option no one has mentioned yet, is doing video project and have it broadcast on local public access cable...i'm currently working on project #2 for local broadcast in iowa city (IA) area...believe me i have the cheapest of tools-crappy video camera (which picture is fading fast-more grain the better(?)-transfer to (or call it edit) to VHS machine and ta-da-instant crappy (looping) video...i sort of think of myself as the wayne's world quality of loopers, my first project actually had 2 segments of me playing my looper stuff live in my studio, and i was able to get two 15-min segments, now w/ my youngest at 1 yr old, the new project has more shorter pieces w/ the kids coming in an hitting me on the head w/ plastic shovels and stuff (just finished talking about dada and fluxus in art apprec class, so i let anything go), and i put little transitional pieces, mostly playing w/ the toys around the house and have my prerecorded loop compostions playing in the background. they're fun to work on, cheezy in a sense, but in the end, pretty cheap to do, and hey i'm offering some alternative programming for my area. guess it also gives me a chance to play my new handbuilt tesla/klein guitar project also.....s--- ps-i will say the challenge of coming up w/ interesting stuff live in a looping format is hard... even on video in my comfy cozy basement studio (and i also put some of my paintings in the background so it's not just masonite storage doors for backdrops...) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 14:56:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB7JtE700676; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:55:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:55:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: LOOPERS & VISUAL ARTISTS Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:54:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c4dc96$894e4630$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20041207172735.61910.qmail@web20429.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I second the recommendation on seeking out your local public access TV station. We have one here in Boise, plus a freelance producer who does nothing but shoot videos of bands in the TV studio...for free. He shot all those live looping videos I posted to the group a while back, which yielded my promo DVD and the 30 minute show that will be on air. They had three cameras on me, full studio board, video mixing tools, all sorts of cool panning and fade-in/out effects, etc. They also have equipment that any producer can use for free after taking only three producing/editing courses for $40 each, plus $25 for a producers card. So, basically $145 to shoot anything you want and use your 30 minutes a week of free airtime. It's amazing what they air on public access stations....all sorts of controversial stuff, experimental film, religious and political talk shows, etc. I think public access TV is a great thing. Scott - did you convert any of your looping videos to digital format? If so, I've found several places where I've posted mine for free, and you can do the same: www.zed.com www.knowitallvideo.com www.mssvision.com ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: scott hansen [mailto:evanpeewee@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LOOPERS & VISUAL ARTISTS since most of the discussion has centered around incorporating visuals w/ live looping performances (could try slides, or get old movie projectors, that was a pretty common thing for multi-media artists back in 80's-90's, using found films or making your own). one option no one has mentioned yet, is doing video project and have it broadcast on local public access cable...i'm currently working on project #2 for local broadcast in iowa city (IA) area...believe me i have the cheapest of tools-crappy video camera (which picture is fading fast-more grain the better(?)-transfer to (or call it edit) to VHS machine and ta-da-instant crappy (looping) video...i sort of think of myself as the wayne's world quality of loopers, my first project actually had 2 segments of me playing my looper stuff live in my studio, and i was able to get two 15-min segments, now w/ my youngest at 1 yr old, the new project has more shorter pieces w/ the kids coming in an hitting me on the head w/ plastic shovels and stuff (just finished talking about dada and fluxus in art apprec class, so i let anything go), and i put little transitional pieces, mostly playing w/ the toys around the house and have my prerecorded loop compostions playing in the background. they're fun to work on, cheezy in a sense, but in the end, pretty cheap to do, and hey i'm offering some alternative programming for my area. guess it also gives me a chance to play my new handbuilt tesla/klein guitar project also.....s--- ps-i will say the challenge of coming up w/ interesting stuff live in a looping format is hard... even on video in my comfy cozy basement studio (and i also put some of my paintings in the background so it's not just masonite storage doors for backdrops...) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RagzkG0C79pLw5waOYOSYYUAmDnJjflSWDxVUFDGZbwX27vXJdfI5eVIZYTHhkArCDk8pUjLsNBkhO0MZCn0V6q6SifTOMHLIof74ZpszXAZnAK/bE1ZF9S8oL5EdRyMiyTAk7ZgVZfuq9xxv0LIz5nQMgm1kVBZsM8EDxW4eEw= ; Message-ID: <20041207210239.63011.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:02:39 -0800 (PST) From: William Kramer Subject: Boomerang for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm selling my Boomerang Phrase Sampler. I listed it on Ebay but will sell to any of you as well. It's an early version (serial number 400) but I recently upgraded it to version 2. It now has A and a B loop. I'm only selling b/c I just bought an EDP. Hit me up if interested. I think I'm asking for $340 (reserve price on ebay) but its negotiable. Billy 773.490.4415 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 16:28:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB7LRJ819308; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:27:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:27:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: To: Subject: Looping - totally random links Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:26:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [192.168.1.2] at Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:26:43 -0600 Message-Id: <20041207212643.YMAL1463.out003.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While I'm away from the office and with time on my hands, I did a little searching and came across a few links that may be interesting. http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Music/Recording/Sampling/Samples_and_Loops/ http://www.looperman.com/ http://www.looperman.com/loops_samples_menu.php http://www.wizardmaster.com/bludgeonsoft/audio.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 16:29:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB7LS7M19725; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:28:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:28:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41B6203D.9080007@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:27:25 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electrix Repeater for Sale References: <20041207172735.61910.qmail@web20429.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041207172735.61910.qmail@web20429.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, it was a fun tool for less than a year, but it's time for me to let it go. This Electrix Repeater is in great shape, includes power cable, original Electrix CFC card, manual, and original box. It is loaded with the latest OS, version 1.1. It looks like the latest sell prices on eBay are $800-$999. I'm willing to let this go to an LD member for $750, plus shipping. Yes, I'll ship internationally (sigh) :) First come first served with a $750 offer. If I don't hear anything by the end of the week, it goes to fleaBay. Loop on! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 18:36:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB7NZl315428; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:35:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:35:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <9.38fca593.2ee7981b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:34:51 EST Subject: FS: Boss DD-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9.38fca593.2ee7981b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9.38fca593.2ee7981b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, While others are selling there there Boomerangs and Repeaters I figured I'd=20 take the opportunity to remind folks that I've got a Boss DD-20 up on eBay t= oo. See it at : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D41415& item=3D3767926291&rd=3D1&ssPageName=3DWDVW Happy trails, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play to quite pleasing effect. --part1_9.38fca593.2ee7981b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

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See it at : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D414= 15&item=3D3767926291&rd=3D1&ssPageName=3DWDVW

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tEd =AE kiLLiAn

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http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???

In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an
astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry
and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the
same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous
mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and
all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing
musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play
to quite pleasing effect.
--part1_9.38fca593.2ee7981b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 20:07:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB816vj31729; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:06:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:06:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041207072116.02819700@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200412062347.iB6Nlap17594@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041207072116.02819700@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <213811F4-48B5-11D9-9C9C-000D93C5211C@frederikleroux.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Frederik Leroux-Roels Subject: Re: Help Me!!Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 02:04:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks a lot for replying, Andy! I lowered the output level and put the input level as high as possible, and indeed the noise is way better now (output level is really low though, so I have to crank the amp up to get some decent volume). I tried putting it in an effect loop but that didn't make much of a noticeable difference. I guess I'm being really picky about it, but before I only did some modest looping on a Line-6 DL4 and that device didn't make any noise what so ever. Or maybe I shouldn't compare those two? About the Undo Function, Andy, you say that the device doesn't know where a overdub starts and ends, and that there might be another layer over the overdub (maybe not loud enough to notice) when the Undo function acts a bit funny. The thing is, when I overdub (and I make sure the overdub is inside of 1 cycle) I never leave the overdub on. So I hit the button and start playing right away and when the overdub is finished I hit the button again right away. So it is impossible that there would be another layer over the overdub, I think. But I'll check the manual on that as you suggested. I hope that'll give me some insight on how the Undo function works on the EDP. Thanks... Take Care, Frederik On 07 Dec 2004, at 08:40, a k butler wrote: > At 23:47 06/12/04, you wrote: >> When play backing, I hear the recorded material really clear but the >> Echoplex seems to add a lot of noise/ hiss. And I know for sure the >> Echoplex is the cause. I tried different cables, different guitar, >> no effects in between,.... but it's still there. If you hit the >> record button and don't play anything, and then hit the record button >> again (play back), it's a really really obvious and loud hiss sound. > > EDP is essentially a line level device. > So if you're using it direct to guitar amp, it may be a bit hard to > set the volumes right. > ...but try putting input level up till just before distortion > (LED=orange) and turning down the Output. That should help with the > noise. > Or try putting EDP in your amp's FX loop. > > >> Like all of this isn't enough.... I also think the undo function >> isn't functioning properly > > Your Undo is working correctly. > >> .For example, I record a very short phrase and make sure the Undo LED >> is green. When I hit it, sometimes it gets rid of the overdub right >> away, sometimes I have to hit it twice or even three times, > > Either because Feedback wasn't on full, or > because there was a layer of something recorded over your overdub, > maybe not loud enough to notice, but the EDP recorded it. > > >> or sometimes I hit it but there's still a fragment left of the >> overdub. > > ...try a Long Press of Undo to get rid of more of your overdub. > > There's an explanation in the manual about Undo. > ...but consider that the EDP has no way of "knowing" where your > overdub starts and ends, > so it can't always just delete the bit you want it to. > > > andy butler > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 01:21:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB86JCm27775; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:19:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:19:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.212.34] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <00a401c4d8c4$7ccc7420$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: CONTRAINT OF RANDOMNESS Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 22:17:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2004 06:18:01.0591 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB80A070:01C4DCED] Resent-Message-ID: <2MLCYC.A.wuG.yyptBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting is one of the qualities music can have. Repetition can be used to move the body to dance, and /or induce trance in ways that have nothing to do with stimulating the intellect. There's no denying it: this can be as boring to listen to as listening to a perfectly quantized drum machine pattern looping over and over. ..and a drummer playing the same thing over and over is interesting?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 01:44:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB86h3u31323; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:43:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:43:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.212.34] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <00a601c4d9d3$b0b7aa10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Info theory ,Bateson Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 22:41:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2004 06:42:16.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EA12F50:01C4DCF1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A signal has to be predictable enough to be recognizable as a signal,but have enough variation ,or randomness to convey something.Bateson( I studied w/ him too) along with Warren McColough, Norbert Wiener and others cofounded the discipline of Cybernetics.His definition of information: A difference that makes a difference. My interpretation: Nerves register difference . Animals on this planet tend to have sensory systems attuned to the bandwidths of what they eat and what eat's them.In the Wild, when something moves in ones sensory field ,attention goes there.If it is predator ,or prey that constitutes a difference that makes a difference, attention stays there approprite response s ensue. Ifit was just the wind blowing the leaves,it doesn't make any difference,and attention returns to random ,or stochastic scanning. Of course we humans have transcended the primitive state and our attention gets filled with various of the abstractions that we generate. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 01:48:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB86khE32121; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:46:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:46:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.212.34] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <012301c4d9d8$4b06d9c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Britany Spears on Looping Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 22:45:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2004 06:46:00.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[948045C0:01C4DCF1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apparently on the 70s TV show The Osmonds,which I've never seen ,Marie Osmond wishing to be taken more serioulsy read a poem by Tristan Tzara,the founder od Dadaism.I'd love to see the clip. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 02:35:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB87Xql07553; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 02:33:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 02:33:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:24:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Britany Spears on Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:45 PM -0800 12/7/04, samba - wrote: >Marie Osmond wishing to be taken more serioulsy read a poem by >Tristan Tzara,the founder od Dadaism. Who in turn, wishing to be taken more seriously, changed his name from Samuel (Sami) Rosenstock. Not necessarily THE founder of Dada (I've always thought of Hugo Ball as having priority) but certainly an early and important member of that group. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 02:53:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB87psO11090; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 02:51:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 02:51:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4946555.1102492242370.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:50:42 -0800 From: toejam00@mac.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tuck EDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 218.222.219.194/instID=33 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks! I'm unstuck and looping with delight. TJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 04:20:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB89Gwm23397; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 04:16:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 04:16:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.204.149] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20041205005117.GC21857@redhat.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: cogitate Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:57:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2004 08:58:01.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[054F3060:01C4DD04] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.tomigaya.shibuya.tokyo.jp/lilly/cognitivex.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 04:34:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB89Xsa25617; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 04:33:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 04:33:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041208090056.0284bad0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:32:32 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Help Me!!Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro In-Reply-To: <200412080753.iB87rJF11853@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200412080753.iB87rJF11853@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Frederik >About the Undo Function, Andy, you say that the device doesn't know where >a overdub starts and ends, and that there might be another layer over the >overdub (maybe not loud enough to notice) when the Undo function acts a >bit funny. The thing is, when I overdub (and I make sure the overdub is >inside of 1 cycle) I never leave the overdub on. >So I hit the button and start playing right away and when the overdub is >finished I hit the button again right away. So it is impossible that >there would be another layer over the overdub, I think. > But I'll check the manual on that as you suggested. I hope that'll give > me some insight on how the Undo function works on the EDP. Thanks... > >Take Care, Frederik Even though your O/D isn't layering on itself, it could still be crossing the StartPoint. Or feedback could be less than 127. Anyway, I'm sure your unit isn't faulty. With your new volume setup, you could try bringing the Output back up a bit instead of increasing your amp Input vol. (but if it sounds good as it is, why bother ) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 05:05:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8A4vI29514; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 05:04:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 05:04:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=DWaMC/qlyLWBq6Z7IrT/2kkQ4Q03iapX+2LsolMLgnnQyrN78YLPUfxD0m++1Soj0YAWF9OHfD1PO3XqOaEce1nGnvUuSoZDchtkkEVLCIEN2KSdh/RrfWC+MPR2fgpVnL/hfxVRg+5jD/eo6KQMrjInVHAsWaQ2nZdVEN8c+sI= ; Message-ID: <20041208100316.49483.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 02:03:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Marie Osmond on Tzara tone poem (was: Britany Spears on Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The track is Karawane. This won't give you your visual Marie-fix, but she did record and release the tone poem, and it's available on at least one compilation. Why, here's one of them now: -t- --- samba - wrote: > Apparently on the 70s TV show The Osmonds,which > I've never seen ,Marie > Osmond wishing to be taken more serioulsy read a > poem by Tristan Tzara,the > founder od Dadaism.I'd love to see the clip. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 07:38:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8CbjH16546; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:37:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:37:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1102509426!25681198!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557F4D@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Britany Spears on Looping Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:27:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4DD21.5160E3A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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>>Apparently on the 70s TV show The Osmonds,which I= 've never seen ,Marie
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founder od Dadaism.I'd love to see the clip.<<

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4DD21.5160E3A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 07:43:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8Cfh617539; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:41:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:41:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009501c4dd23$2b661240$0407a8c0@eluk01> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: CONTRAINT OF RANDOMNESS Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:40:57 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "samba -" put forth: > Interesting is one of the qualities music can have. Repetition can be > used to move the body to dance, and /or induce trance in ways that have > nothing to do with stimulating the intellect. > > There's no denying it: this can be as boring to listen to as listening to > a perfectly quantized drum machine pattern looping over and over. > > ..and a drummer playing the same thing over and over is interesting?" I believe there is virtue in repetition, on quite a number of levels that I have never quantified. Unfortunately I also find a quantized drum pattern in Continuous Repeat Mode to be nearly as much of a signature of No Creativity Onboard as the default ringtone on Vodaphone mobiles (when it's not changed right after purchase of course). Equally unfortunately I find not only that many people in Europe and the UK actually LIKE a quantized drum pattern in Continuous Repeat Mode, but that they also don't change the default ringtone on their Vodaphone mobiles (even after having owned them for some time). So I don't know whether this is a Good Thing, or whether I'm just turning into a Geezer. Or perhaps I just miss the music in the USA. Which hopefully isn't like the undistinguishable replicated bumph they shovel out and mindlessly listen to in the UK. Now back to yelling at Paypal. :) Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.medialinenews.com * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 08:49:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8Dlms29190; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:47:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:47:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41B7061A.6010201@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 08:48:10 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > ...Do I really want > to add another layer of technological goo and anxiety...? For many of us, the answer is, "No." But wouldn't it be great if you could dedicate a MIDI channel to the performance data that would get sent to a system that turns it into a visual performance. Such a system could be, for example, a laptop running MAX that triggers video events that the connected projector displays on a screen above/behind you. > Even though I am trained as a visual artist, when it comes to > adding a background visual component to a performance I > almost always leave that to someone else... Exactly correct. If you can't afford the time and expense to create and program a flawless system that will run unattended while you concentrate on the musical performance, then you need to off load one task to concentrate on the other. > tI have an acquaintance > who likes to make surrealist collages out of magazine images > and photograph them to make slides. The images are pretty > dopey at times but he is better at managing 2 or 3 projectors > and doing all of the transitions than I would be. So . . . he's happy > . . . I'm happy . . . and there's some visual "eye candy" for the > audience and I don't even have to worry about it. Many of us collaborate with other musicians to make bands. Perhaps some of us should think about having a member of the band be a visual artist. Partner with one whose work you admire and will ejoy working with your musical project. > And then there's the rebellious curmudgeon in me that is sick and > tired of feeling like I have to compete with television and/or Brittany > whoever in an evermore AD/HD world. We're all in that same boat as you are. We must, unfortunately, accept how society is and deal with that reality. How one deals with that reality can range from ignoring it to succumbing to it to fighting it in a constructive way, to going crazy. By the way, I assume that AD = Attention Deficit. What is HD? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 10:24:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8FMnX11070; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:22:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:22:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <23673124.1102519249463.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:20:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: will Vortex work straight into gtr amp? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Loopers: I'm thinking hard about getting a Vortex, but I need to know if it will work straight into the front end of an old-timey guitar amp like my Silvertone Twin Twelve or my Vox Nova. I've checked Harmony Central, but all thise posters either go into a mixer or a powered cab or an FX loop. As for whether I'm smart enough or patient enough to deep-edit the patches and really access its creamy Vortexian goodness, it seems like only time will tell. But the amp question is, I hope, something you guys can help me with. Yours in Sound, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 11:28:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8GQax23271; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:26:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:26:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041208100316.49483.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041208100316.49483.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:18:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Marie Osmond on Tzara tone poem (was: Britany Spears on Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:03 AM -0800 12/8/04, Tim Nelson wrote: >The track is Karawane. This won't give you your visual >Marie-fix, but she did record and release the tone >poem, and it's available on at least one compilation. >Why, here's one of them now: > "Karawane" was by Hugo Ball, founder of Cabaret Voltaire. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 13:04:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8I2Md06607; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:02:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:02:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20041208093440.05716478@annihilist.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:59:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Looper's Delight and Ableton: Live 4 Raffle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Guys- Looper's Delight and Ableton are having a raffle! Each dollar donated to Looper's Delight gets one raffle entry. The winner will get a brand new copy of Ableton Live 4! The deadline to enter is January 20, 2005 and you can enter as often as you like. We will hold the drawing and announce the winner at the Winter NAMM show in January. To get more info and enter the raffle, go to: http://www.loopers-delight.com/donate.html Big thanks to Ableton for donating the copy of Live 4 to make this possible! If you somehow don't know about Ableton Live, check it out at the Ableton site: http://www.ableton.com Thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 13:04:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8I1Us06386; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:01:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:01:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1da.3139cd56.2ee89b28@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:00:08 EST Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1da.3139cd56.2ee89b28_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <7uq31.A.SbB.zE0tBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1da.3139cd56.2ee89b28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, In a message dated 12/08/04 5:47:22, billyfox@soundscapes.us writes: > I assume that AD =3D Attention Deficit. What is HD? >=20 Hyperactive Disorder. The two often go hand-in-glove in children,=20 though not always. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play to quite pleasing effect. --part1_1da.3139cd56.2ee89b28_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill,

In a message dated 12/08/04 5:47:22, billyfox@soundscapes.us writes:

I assume that AD =3D=20= Attention Deficit. What is HD?

Hyperactive Disorder. The two often go hand-in-glove in children,
though not always.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???

In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an
astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry
and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the
same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous
mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and
all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing
musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play
to quite pleasing effect.
--part1_1da.3139cd56.2ee89b28_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 13:07:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8I64b07436; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:06:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:06:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <13e.80adcb0.2ee89c28@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:04:24 EST Subject: Re: Looper's Delight and Ableton: Live 4 Raffle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13e.80adcb0.2ee89c28_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13e.80adcb0.2ee89c28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kim, In a message dated 12/08/04 10:00:48, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > Looper's Delight and Ableton are having a raffle! >=20 How cool! May you receive many happy donations. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play to quite pleasing effect. --part1_13e.80adcb0.2ee89c28_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kim,

In a message dated 12/08/04 10:00:48, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:

Looper's Delight and=20= Ableton are having a raffle!

How cool! May you receive many happy donations.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???

In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an
astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry
and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the
same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous
mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and
all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing
musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play
to quite pleasing effect.
--part1_13e.80adcb0.2ee89c28_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 16:03:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8L1mG08031; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:01:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:01:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.253.92] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Britany Spears on Looping Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:59:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2004 21:00:08.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[E621D250:01C4DD68] Resent-Message-ID: <8I9gz.A.m5B.et2tBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not necessarily THE founder of Dada (I've always thought of Hugo Ball as having priority) but certainly an early and important member of that group. Agreed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 16:42:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8LelE21645; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:40:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:40:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=iirIYwKdMFny2pEU6wmb50+FCgu4o0/41uHWslCuKD5lC6a5JbPg4R7DNv/gnfn/emO8FsmKHaf9TPJV/Txof5VHDTn6BsrxhPSATO4UreMPH7ZudYqsJMW+a4S8IEfZwBnjf948O08cTlSOVeELMbqCWtFBL8eKBmCil6LsZuY= ; Message-ID: <20041208213935.63775.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Marie Osmond on Tzara tone poem (was: Britany Spears on Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, you're right. That's odd; multiple Google hits attribute it to Tzara. Are you implying that not EVERYTHING on the internet is scrupulously accurate?! And what's this about D&M being members of Deep Purple? :P Actually, that makes it even weirder, as it's evidence that Marie's Dadabbling wasn't just a one-time thing that had her all a-Schwitters! She probably wore Man Ray sunglasses too, and played an Arp like a (du)champ! -t- Donny: (sings, toothily) I'm a little bit country... Marie: jolifanto bambla o falli bambla grossiga m'pfa habla horem egiga goramen higo bloiko russula huju hollaka hollala anlogo bung blago bung blago bung bosso fataka ü üü ü schampa wulla wussa olobo hej tatta gorem eschige zunbada wulubu ssubudu uluw ssubudu tumpa ba-umf kusagauma ba-umf --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > "Karawane" was by Hugo Ball, founder of Cabaret > Voltaire. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 16:45:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8Lhk823035; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:43:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:43:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.253.92] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:42:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2004 21:43:00.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3965DC0:01C4DD6E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Collaborating with visual artists is a very good idea. I have in the past when I needed video shot/edited , found students who needed projects.I found it necessary to be very clear about what I wanted. Anyway I'm sure there must be loads of people doing computer animations that would love an audience and who have no experience with staging events .Of course there's the projector problem again .Performances at schools could possibly use school gear. In high population zones I'm sure digital projectors can be rented. We used to do light shows with slide ,overhead,opaque and film projectors,collaged. I like to run films backwards. Project on weather ballons. But just 2 carouel projectors with auto advance and lap dissolve projected onto the stage ,with interesting images can be very effective,they don't have to change alot or rapidly.One of the things I liked about Laurie Anderson's show,before she got big,when she just had one tech was how minimalist ,but effective it was. Fr example, there was an image projected,about 7' across that looked like an old "primitive" tribal stone carving of a face,something seemed really familiar about it though -oh it's a 3 prong electric socket,only the image is degraded from being projected so big and it looks like rough stone.Powerful. Another thing she did was wave her violin bow around in a rapid circle over her head while a slide was being projected on it,getting a flicker fusion effect that made the image look like it was spinning. The Burning Man crowd is a very good audience to target. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 17:39:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8McFm06925; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:38:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:38:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c4dd76$75deed80$0a00a8c0@portablejpr> Reply-To: "Jean Philippe" From: "Jean Philippe" To: Subject: seamless loops Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:37:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C4DD7E.D75B7710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C4DD7E.D75B7710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Testing? Testing? 1 2? 1 2? Ok, hi to every one, my name is Jean-Philippe Rykiel, I'm a Blind = synthesizer player, and I like using loops from time to time in my = music. As you can guess, , many of today's looping tools, especially = computer based ones, are not accessible to blinds, but a friend of mine = who will probably recognize him self sold me his repeater, oh, poor guy, = he almost cried that day, and I must say it's a really cool machine. But = I have one small problem and I would like to know what you think : my repeater has I believe the latest software > update and when I try and > loop a continues sound, I hear ... Not exactly a click, > more a sort of very small crossfade between end and > start of loop. I don't think it is a phase problem > either because it even happens while using the > repeater as an echo unit. I have a system that normally works for seamless loops, which is to put = the looper in record and slowly turn up the sound I want to put into it, = and then slowly turning it down, so that there is no brutal change in = the signal, and freeze it afterwards. Well that works in every machine = I've tried except for my repeater. > I think someone told me that there was a hardware > modification that could solve the problem is this > true? > Best regards to you!you!you!you!you. > Jean-Philippe Rykiel ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C4DD7E.D75B7710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Testing? Testing? 1 2? 1 = 2?

Ok, hi to every one, my name is = Jean-Philippe=20 Rykiel, I'm a Blind synthesizer player, and I like using loops from time = to time=20 in my music. As you can guess, , many of today's looping tools, = especially=20 computer based ones, are not accessible to blinds, but a friend of = mine=20 who will probably recognize him self sold me his repeater, oh, poor guy, = he=20 almost cried that day, and I must say it's a really cool machine. But I = have one=20 small problem and I would like to know what you think :

my repeater has I believe the latest=20 software
> update and when I try and
> loop a continues = sound,=20 I hear ... Not exactly a click,
> more a sort of = very=20 small crossfade between end and
> start of loop. I don't think it = is a=20 phase problem
> either because it even happens while using = the
>=20 repeater as an echo unit.
I have a system that normally works for = seamless=20 loops, which is to put the looper in record and slowly turn up the sound = I want=20 to put into it, and then slowly turning it down, so that there is no = brutal=20 change in the signal, and freeze it afterwards. Well that works in every = machine=20 I've tried except for my repeater.

> I think someone told me that there = was a=20 hardware
> modification that could solve the problem is = this
>=20 true?
> Best regards to you!you!you!you!you.

> Jean-Philippe = Rykiel

------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C4DD7E.D75B7710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 17:47:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8MjkJ08761; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:45:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:45:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: OT: lightshow software Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:44:14 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 08 Dec 2004 23:36:07 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.141.229.148 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <07KyR.A.GGC.DQ4tBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I need recommendations for a Windows software that can do psychedelic lightshows controlled by audio. The only one I've heard of that can do that is Geiss. Any other ones that are good? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 17:53:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8Mpds10861; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:51:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:51:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041208224502.027feab0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:49:36 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:will Vortex work straight into gtr amp? In-Reply-To: <200412082239.iB8MdxT07561@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200412082239.iB8MdxT07561@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hey Loopers: >I'm thinking hard about getting a Vortex, but I need to know if it will >work straight into the front end of an old-timey guitar amp like my >Silvertone Twin Twelve or my Vox Nova. Not ideal, the Vortex is Line level, and doesn't have an output level knob. You'd want something to drop the level, or mod your amp. >As for whether I'm smart enough or patient enough to deep-edit the patches >and really access its creamy Vortexian goodness, it seems like only time >will tell. www.andybutler.com now hosts the "Vortex Database" >Yours in Sound, >Tim andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 18:09:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8N7Zk16296; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:07:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41B788E0.8060608@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:06:08 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS References: <1da.3139cd56.2ee89b28@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1da.3139cd56.2ee89b28@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You mean that they're over-diagnosed in children (and now, even adults!) all the time, right? :) AD(H)D, although very real in many instances, is one hell of a powerful marketing tool for the drug companies. Everybody has it, and needs some Ritalin, know what I mean? Dig ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Bill, > > In a message dated 12/08/04 5:47:22, billyfox@soundscapes.us writes: > >> I assume that AD = Attention Deficit. What is HD? > > > Hyperactive Disorder. The two often go hand-in-glove in children, > though not always. > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? > > In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an > astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry > and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the > same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous > mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and > all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing > musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play > to quite pleasing effect. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 18:15:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8NEmh19243; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:14:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:14:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.253.92] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: lightshow software Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:12:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2004 23:13:00.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[763C8490:01C4DD7B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw something called picsound or pixsound demonstrated at the Santa Cruz Digital Arts festivalabout 3 years ago . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 18:22:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB8NKek21782; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:20:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:20:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8069564.1102548003933.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:20:03 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, that's so true on several levels. TravisH >Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:42:35 -0800 >From: "samba -" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS > The Burning Man crowd is a very good audience to target. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 19:03:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB902mr02036; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:02:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:02:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041208173144.037a9db8@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:01:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT: lightshow software In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:44 PM 12/8/2004, Michael Peters wrote: >I need recommendations for a Windows software that can do psychedelic >lightshows controlled by audio. The only one I've heard of that can do that >is Geiss. Any other ones that are good? Try taking a look at http://www.arkaos.net Haven't personally used the Arkaos VJ software, but their visualizer plug-ins for WinAmp are pretty kewl. I'd heard the company was originally started by the guys who put together the videos and animation for Front 242 in the 80's/90's, so that's some interesting experience under their belt. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 19:20:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB90JNX06907; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:19:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c4dd84$9f8a9ea0$0a00a8c0@portablejpr> Reply-To: "Jean Philippe" From: "Jean Philippe" To: References: <005001c4dd76$75deed80$0a00a8c0@portablejpr> Subject: Re: seamless loops Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:18:34 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Jean Philippe" Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:21 AM Subject: Re: seamless loops On Dec 8, 2004, at 23:37, Jean Philippe wrote: > when I try and > > loop a continues sound, I hear ... Not exactly a click, > > more a sort of very small crossfade between end and > > start of loop. Hi Jean-Philippe, Yes, many are talking about this little "click" of the Repeater but I never managed to hear it when I was using a Repeater. Maybe because I always started a loop in recording- and overdubbing mode before I started to play the instrument to be looped? That might be a tip, BTW ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 19:34:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB90X4G09306; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:33:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:33:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041208162733.024aa3b0@mail.creepingfog.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:31:49 -0800 To: From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: seamless loops In-Reply-To: <005001c4dd76$75deed80$0a00a8c0@portablejpr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6kCZBC.A.gOC.K05tBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is known as "the bump". If you search the looper's delight mailing list archive ( http://loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive/ ) with the search terms ( repeater;bump ) you will see many posts about it. sean At 02:37 PM 2004.12.08, Jean Philippe wrote: >Testing? Testing? 1 2? 1 2? >Ok, hi to every one, my name is Jean-Philippe Rykiel, I'm a Blind synthesizer player, and I like using loops from time to time in my music. As you can guess, , many of today's looping tools, especially computer based ones, are not accessible to blinds, but a friend of mine who will probably recognize him self sold me his repeater, oh, poor guy, he almost cried that day, and I must say it's a really cool machine. But I have one small problem and I would like to know what you think : >my repeater has I believe the latest software >> update and when I try and >> loop a continues sound, I hear ... Not exactly a click, >> more a sort of very small crossfade between end and >> start of loop. I don't think it is a phase problem >> either because it even happens while using the >> repeater as an echo unit. >I have a system that normally works for seamless loops, which is to put the looper in record and slowly turn up the sound I want to put into it, and then slowly turning it down, so that there is no brutal change in the signal, and freeze it afterwards. Well that works in every machine I've tried except for my repeater. >> I think someone told me that there was a hardware >> modification that could solve the problem is this >> true? >> Best regards to you!you!you!you!you. > >> Jean-Philippe Rykiel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 19:35:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB90YQD09745; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:34:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:34:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c4dd86$8ed44a50$0a00a8c0@portablejpr> Reply-To: "Jean Philippe" From: "Jean Philippe" To: Subject: seamless loops Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:32:26 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oups, Sorry, my last message was the wrong one, here is the right one : Hi, > it is not something you hear if you do a rhythmic loop. You really have to > make a continues sound, such as a choir chord > or something like this, but then again the click you hear can also come > from the fact that the end of the sound is not in phase with the > beginning. That's why I tried the slow fade in / fade out thing. Of course > I set the loop's length before by recording an empty loop and overdubbing > just like you do. But nothing seams to work. > I didn't quite get what Garry said about "not being able to go into > overdub out of record", can you explain Garry? > Regards, > J.P.R. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 20:03:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB911nr15023; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:01:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:01:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <8.5d50a5eb.2ee8fd9f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:00:15 EST Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8.5d50a5eb.2ee8fd9f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8.5d50a5eb.2ee8fd9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, What I meant with the comment originally was nothing more than that we seem to live in a hyper-stimulating media environment and among hyper-stimulated media hungry consummers/addicts on whom simpler, subtler artistic pleasures are now largely lost. No news there. Fortunately none of my kids is AD(H)D -- if that's the correct=20 designation, thank God. I do have a son with genuinely diagnosed=20 Asperger's Syndrome . . . but that's another story altogether. I was trying to make a social comment/observation . . . not a=20 medical diagnosis. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play to quite pleasing effect. --part1_8.5d50a5eb.2ee8fd9f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill,

What I meant with the comment originally was nothing more than
that we seem to live in a hyper-stimulating media environment
and among hyper-stimulated media hungry consummers/addicts
on whom simpler, subtler artistic pleasures are now largely lost.
No news there.

Fortunately none of my kids is AD(H)D -- if that's the correct
designation, thank God. I do have a son with genuinely diagnosed
Asperger's Syndrome . . . but that's another story altogether.
I was trying to make a social comment/observation . . . not a
medical diagnosis.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???

In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an
astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry
and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the
same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous
mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and
all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing
musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play
to quite pleasing effect.
--part1_8.5d50a5eb.2ee8fd9f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 20:25:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB91O1a19121; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:24:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:24:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041208190134.03a115c0@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:22:12 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re:will Vortex work straight into gtr amp? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041208224502.027feab0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200412082239.iB8MdxT07561@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041208224502.027feab0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:49 PM 12/8/2004, a k butler wrote: >www.andybutler.com now hosts the "Vortex Database" Andy, I'm also considering succumbing to the obscure coolness of the Vortex, and was wondering if you could help out with a couple more quick questions before I lay down my cash. First, I notice that on a few of the sample patches on your site you're using the expression pedal to do volume swells into the delays. I plan on doing a good bit of such swells, but I'm concerned that -- since the Vortex has a pretty limited number of memory slots -- it might not be a good use of the available presets. I'm trying to keep things as simple as possible. However, should I just plan on buying yet another volume pedal to put inline before the Vortex, or can I really get away with consolidating that function into a single unit? Second, just how viable is the Vortex for looping? I thought I'd read that a good deal had been done with it, but I just keep coming back to the specs that say there's a max time of only two seconds on the delay. That sounds a bit constrictive. Am I merely misreading something here? TIA!!! --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 21:03:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB9231M25154; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:03:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:03:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.245.106] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, ocfdiscuss@efn.org Subject: allegory Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:50:45 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2004 01:51:00.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[88BDC0F0:01C4DD91] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Allegory By Gregory Bateson There was once a beautiful lady, whose habit it was to sleep on disused railroad tracks. In that same country there lived also a brutal surveyor who ran the trains up and down the tracks. He was at heart an explorer and therefore was particularly attracted by those branches of the railroad system where no trains had passed within living memory. These were precisely those tracks where the lady delighted to slumber. So it happened over and over again that she would be disturbed in her sleep and compelled to retreat hastily while a powerful and smelly engine dashed over the very place she had been happily resting. Every time this happened there was a falling out between the lady and the gentleman. He maintained that she was an old-fashioned, trivial, and superstitious thing. She, in return, would spit out insults in a quite unladylike manner saying that he was indeed a thing, subhuman, and nothing but a small boy interested only in silly noisy toys. And so it went on. For about two thousand years she would always be finding new and unexplored parts of the railroad system upon which to sleep and he always choosing those very branches of the tracks for the exercise of his monstrous vehicles. He asserted that it was his right - and even duty - to map the railroad system and that the whole system was entirely his - especially the unexplored parts of it. He argued that the system was a single, entirely logical-causal network of tracks. She averred that the tracks were designed for the rest and peace of the human soul and cared nothing for his dreams of causality and logic. He mapped every detail of the tracks along which he ran his engines. She continually found other parts of the system not yet mapped. One day the engineer carelessly left one of his maps beside the track and the lady found it. Gingerly, holding it only with the tips of her fingers, she picked it up. She handled it as if it had been left there by the devil. It was curiosity that led her to open the map, unwilling to see what it might contain and therefore not really looking at its details. Looking at this from a distance through half-shut eyes, she was surprised to find that thus half-seen, the document was in itself beautiful. At the next confrontation between herself and the engineer she said without thinking, ‘And you don’t even know that your own maps are beautiful.’ At this the surveyor was amazed. He gruffly replied that he was not interested in that. She said to herself ‘Ah, then there is something in the universe in which he is not interested. That something belongs to me.’ ‘For ever,’ she said. After they parted, each considered what had been said. The surveyor was forced to agree that indeed the beauty of his maps and correspondingly the beauty of the railroad tracks were not within his province. She, on the other hand, was delighted and hugged to herself the secret knowledge that he would never invade what she most valued - the elegance and symmetry of the total system. Not its details but its foundations. At their next meeting he asked whether she was still interested in the so-called beauty of the maps. When she rather defensively replied in the affirmative, he said in an offhand manner that he had perhaps something to show her. He then confessed that while she slept upon the railroad tracks he had come quietly and had made a careful drawing of her body. It was this drawing that he wanted to show her. He unfolded and placed side by side before her his map of the railroad tracks and his drawing. He said it was ‘scientifically interesting’ that the map and the drawing appeared to resemble each other in many ‘formal’ characteristics. He specially wanted her to see this strange resemblance between the two documents. She briefly dismissed the matter. She said she had always known that. But, saying this, she looked away and smiled. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 21:12:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB92C6f27533; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:12:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:12:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1aa.2d136b24.2ee90e5f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:11:43 EST Subject: Re: Info theory ,Bateson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1aa.2d136b24.2ee90e5f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1aa.2d136b24.2ee90e5f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/8/04 1:43:12 AM, sambacomet@hotmail.com writes: > Animals on this planet > tend to have sensory systems attuned to the bandwidths of what they eat and > what eat's them > i'm foregoing my pipe for a microscope!.....:).....michael p.s. loop on you madmen and madwomen!!!!! --part1_1aa.2d136b24.2ee90e5f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/8/04 1:43:12 AM, sambacomet@hotmail.com writes:

Animals on this planet
tend to have sensory systems attuned to the bandwidths of what they eat and<= BR> what eat's them

i'm foregoing my pipe for a microscope!.....:).....michael
p.s. loop on you madmen and madwomen!!!!! --part1_1aa.2d136b24.2ee90e5f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 21:18:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB92HEk28863; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:17:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:17:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9d.54957dce.2ee90f71@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:16:17 EST Subject: Re: tuck EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9d.54957dce.2ee90f71_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9d.54957dce.2ee90f71_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/8/04 2:51:03 AM, toejam00@mac.com writes: > I'm unstuck and looping with delight. > what more can ya ask for? --part1_9d.54957dce.2ee90f71_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/8/04 2:51:03 AM, toejam00@mac.com writes:

I'm unstuck and looping with de= light.

what more can ya ask for? --part1_9d.54957dce.2ee90f71_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 21:24:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB92MVT29811; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:22:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:22:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:22:04 EST Subject: Re: CONTRAINT OF RANDOMNESS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f4.45a3b8b4.2ee910cc_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f4.45a3b8b4.2ee910cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/8/04 7:41:16 AM, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > I'm just turning > into a Geezer > yep!.....at least that's what the doctors tell me.....michael --part1_f4.45a3b8b4.2ee910cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/8/04 7:41:16 AM, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes:

I'm just turning
into a Geezer

yep!.....at least that's what the doctors tell me.....michael --part1_f4.45a3b8b4.2ee910cc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 21:24:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB92O6U30381; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:24:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:24:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-22004124922826640@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:28:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f0a7617b11aa89e09e3f013afd1aa854350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.68 Resent-Message-ID: <9k2JkC.A.7UH.Rc7tBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sorry to hear about the Asperger's, Ted... it has affected a special young person rather close to me, but she's doing a good job growing up and being a happy kid in spite of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/8/2004 8:01:55 PM Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS Bill, What I meant with the comment originally was nothing more than that we seem to live in a hyper-stimulating media environment and among hyper-stimulated media hungry consummers/addicts on whom simpler, subtler artistic pleasures are now largely lost. No news there. Fortunately none of my kids is AD(H)D -- if that's the correct designation, thank God. I do have a son with genuinely diagnosed Asperger's Syndrome . . . but that's another story altogether. I was trying to make a social comment/observation . . . not a medical diagnosis. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play to quite pleasing effect. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Sorry to hear about the Asperger's, Ted... it has affected a special young person rather close to me, but she's doing a good job growing up and being a happy kid in spite of it.

----- Original Message -----

From:

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Sent: 12/8/2004 8:01:55 PM

Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS

Bill,

What I meant with the comment originally was nothing more than
that we seem to live in a hyper-stimulating media environment
and among hyper-stimulated media hungry consummers/addicts
on whom simpler, subtler artistic pleasures are now largely lost.
No news there.

Fortunately none of my kids is AD(H)D -- if that's the correct
designation, thank God. I do have a son with genuinely diagnosed
Asperger's Syndrome . . . but that's another story altogether.
I was trying to make a social comment/observation . . . not a
medical diagnosis.

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???

In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an
astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry
and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the
same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous
mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and
all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing
musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play
to quite pleasing effect.

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 21:33:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB92WCW32140; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:32:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:32:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-22004124923633550@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: allegory Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:36:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b09f84a3cbf14f448afa4010e98251dc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.68 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a corn-fed mystic *and* a railroad buff, I love the story, but I'm not quite "idjikited" enuf to pick which of several possible meanings is the most valid ;-) Reminds me of the godlike "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" book... appreciate the ephemeral and the delicate, but also appreciate the thunder of the great greasy machines. Yours in Goat Cheese Pizza, Tim > [Original Message] > From: samba - > To: ; > Date: 12/8/2004 9:03:27 PM > Subject: allegory > > > Allegory > > > > By Gregory Bateson > > > There was once a beautiful lady, whose habit it was to sleep on disused > railroad tracks. > > In that same country there lived also a brutal surveyor who ran the trains > up and down the tracks. He was at heart an explorer and therefore was > particularly attracted by those branches of the railroad system where no > trains had passed within living memory. These were precisely those tracks > where the lady delighted to slumber. > > So it happened over and over again that she would be disturbed in her sleep > and compelled to retreat hastily while a powerful and smelly engine dashed > over the very place she had been happily resting. > > Every time this happened there was a falling out between the lady and the > gentleman. He maintained that she was an old-fashioned, trivial, and > superstitious thing. She, in return, would spit out insults in a quite > unladylike manner saying that he was indeed a thing, subhuman, and nothing > but a small boy interested only in silly noisy toys. > > And so it went on. For about two thousand years she would always be finding > new and unexplored parts of the railroad system upon which to sleep and he > always choosing those very branches of the tracks for the exercise of his > monstrous vehicles. > > He asserted that it was his right - and even duty - to map the railroad > system and that the whole system was entirely his - especially the > unexplored parts of it. He argued that the system was a single, entirely > logical-causal network of tracks. > > She averred that the tracks were designed for the rest and peace of the > human soul and cared nothing for his dreams of causality and logic. > > He mapped every detail of the tracks along which he ran his engines. She > continually found other parts of the system not yet mapped. > > One day the engineer carelessly left one of his maps beside the track and > the lady found it. Gingerly, holding it only with the tips of her fingers, > she picked it up. She handled it as if it had been left there by the devil. > > It was curiosity that led her to open the map, unwilling to see what it > might contain and therefore not really looking at its details. Looking at > this from a distance through half-shut eyes, she was surprised to find that > thus half-seen, the document was in itself beautiful. > > At the next confrontation between herself and the engineer she said without > thinking, ‘And you don’t even know that your own maps are beautiful.’ > > At this the surveyor was amazed. He gruffly replied that he was not > interested in that. > > She said to herself ‘Ah, then there is something in the universe in which he > is not interested. That something belongs to me.’ > > ‘For ever,’ she said. > > After they parted, each considered what had been said. The surveyor was > forced to agree that indeed the beauty of his maps and correspondingly the > beauty of the railroad tracks were not within his province. She, on the > other hand, was delighted and hugged to herself the secret knowledge that he > would never invade what she most valued - the elegance and symmetry of the > total system. Not its details but its foundations. > > At their next meeting he asked whether she was still interested in the > so-called beauty of the maps. When she rather defensively replied in the > affirmative, he said in an offhand manner that he had perhaps something to > show her. > > He then confessed that while she slept upon the railroad tracks he had come > quietly and had made a careful drawing of her body. It was this drawing that > he wanted to show her. > > He unfolded and placed side by side before her his map of the railroad > tracks and his drawing. He said it was ‘scientifically interesting’ that the > map and the drawing appeared to resemble each other in many ‘formal’ > characteristics. He specially wanted her to see this strange resemblance > between the two documents. > > She briefly dismissed the matter. She said she had always known that. But, > saying this, she looked away and smiled. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 21:44:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB92g0C01794; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:42:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:42:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041208183602.024a4b90@mail.creepingfog.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:41:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: allegory In-Reply-To: <410-22004124923633550@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the music and the gear? At 06:36 PM 2004.12.08, Timothy Mungenast wrote: >appreciate the ephemeral and the delicate, but also appreciate the >thunder of the great greasy machines. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 21:48:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB92kxw02823; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:46:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:46:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <36.67a4de71.2ee91683@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:46:27 EST Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_36.67a4de71.2ee91683_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_36.67a4de71.2ee91683_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/8/04 6:06:39 PM, dougcox@pdq.net writes: > Ritalin > most enjoyable if followed an hour or two later by 3 or 4 oz. of gin!.....and loops of course! --part1_36.67a4de71.2ee91683_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/8/04 6:06:39 PM, dougcox@pdq.net writes:

Ritalin

most enjoyable if followed an hour or two later by 3 or 4 oz. of gin!.....an= d loops of course! --part1_36.67a4de71.2ee91683_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 21:51:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB92okI03710; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:50:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:50:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:50:19 EST Subject: Re: LOOPERS and VISUAL ARTISTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d8.1b283050.2ee9176b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <3vy5d.A.24.617tBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d8.1b283050.2ee9176b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/8/04 8:00:41 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > not a > medical diagnosis. > > i'm a looper jim.....not a doctor! --part1_d8.1b283050.2ee9176b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/8/04 8:00:41 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:

not a
medical diagnosis.

i'm a looper jim.....not a doctor! --part1_d8.1b283050.2ee9176b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 22:07:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iB935Nt06214; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:05:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:05:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-2200412493953880@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: allegory Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:09:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9400d4d625ac8530b007988d1c1bed752a6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.68 Resent-Message-ID: <8sPfM.A.9fB.KD8tBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, that works, too! (LOL, sound of hand slapping forehead in "d'oh!" gesture) > [Original Message] > From: Sean Echevarria > To: > Date: 12/8/2004 9:42:33 PM > Subject: RE: allegory > > the music and the gear? > > At 06:36 PM 2004.12.08, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > >appreciate the ephemeral and the delicate, but also appreciate the > >thunder of the great greasy machines. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 23:28:08 2004 Return-Path:

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 = 4:12=20 PM Subject: Vortex and other = devices that=20 alter your tone Hello folks - After selling three pieces of gear on = eBay in a=20 record time for me of 30 minutes, I have some extra cash to blow on=20 replacement gear. I already bought a Vortex and expression pedal the = other=20 day. I am very interested in rackmount effect units that=20 "radically" alter the tone of the guitar. Given that an Eventide or TC = Electronics FireworX is not in my budget right now, I'm looking for = the more=20 affordable units, like the Vortex, etc. I bought a Line 6 Pro = filter=20 unit several months ago (rackmount version), but the output on that = unit was=20 very squirrely and unpredictable for me. Any other suggestions on units of = this sort? I=20 have one remaining slot left in my new 6 space rack! The gap is = killing=20 me=85 :) Cheers,********************************* = Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com = See real-time looping and EDPs on video: = http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/cata= logue.htm#videos=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C4E13F.6ED29420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 18:38:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBDNbQ721951; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:37:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:37:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <001001c4de27$4f5d9380$7300a8c0@jdb> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looper with digital I/O? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:36:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Dec 13, 2004, at 4:12 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 8:43 PM +0100 12/9/04, Jesper Barrit wrote: >> Does anyone know of a good looper with digital I/O (both digital >> input and >> output)? > > Lexicon PCM-80/81 i love my PCM-80, however the lack of wordclock BNC really sucks for integrating it into a large digital network. you can always grab clock off of the input, but the most stable clock is always going to come from a second connection. the DSP series and Eclipse look like the only loopers with wordlclock and digital connectivity. note on the PCM-80: don't get one for looping if you intend to run the same loop for an hour or so. it will "cook" the loop in quite a beautiful way. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 19:06:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBE05XE28092; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:05:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:05:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dk8spbhTQrxjY83xTW/Ukbd6C9LukYOtlR5Zae67Ttr9XYvLJsT75vcz08MlzdDR+kOgf/pPW+j15OhIH5T4vCqtee8MTR+y20ccTmJPFVnJ3P/pyY/v0nCawIRVriBjH6+x1pxvCbq+1b3Lpe2rIHPZSJrElKlbogTbuhg6aB8= Message-ID: <41BE2DEF.3020903@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:03:59 -0800 From: "delighted.looper" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper's party. 12/17 next friday night. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, I'm having a party for members of various mailing lists I'm on. Nothing but gear talk and pontification. I'm be posting this to several other forums, so there's potential for plenty of cross pollination. There's a cover charge I'm afraid: one cd or other recording of your original music. (but make sure to bring more, I'm sure others will want some too) 1. My house. 2. Next friday night 8pm till... 3. Bring your own whateva. 4. Small instruments are welcome, or laptops, if you swing that way. 5. Don't forget to bring cds of your music, too. Mail me offlist for directions, and so I know that this thing will fly. If you want to come, and can't make it, also mail me also - the date is flexible. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 19:18:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBE0Hff29551; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:17:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:17:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Griff Peters" To: Subject: RE: Looper's party. 12/17 next friday night. Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:16:42 -0800 Message-ID: <041c01c4e172$35d29110$6401a8c0@geetar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 In-Reply-To: <41BE2DEF.3020903@gmail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2OdFgC.A.AMH.wDjvBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you very much for the invitation! What area are you in? I'm in San Diego... Griff Peters www.griffpeters.com -----Original Message----- From: delighted.looper [mailto:delighted.looper@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper's party. 12/17 next friday night. Hey all, I'm having a party for members of various mailing lists I'm on. Nothing but gear talk and pontification. I'm be posting this to several other forums, so there's potential for plenty of cross pollination. There's a cover charge I'm afraid: one cd or other recording of your original music. (but make sure to bring more, I'm sure others will want some too) 1. My house. 2. Next friday night 8pm till... 3. Bring your own whateva. 4. Small instruments are welcome, or laptops, if you swing that way. 5. Don't forget to bring cds of your music, too. Mail me offlist for directions, and so I know that this thing will fly. If you want to come, and can't make it, also mail me also - the date is flexible. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 20:59:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBE1w6R13749; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:58:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:58:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Looper with digital I/O? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:59:27 -0500 Message-ID: <016301c4e180$8b818040$6601a8c0@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Resent-Message-ID: <0arnH.A.XVD.5hkvBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Eric, The Kyma/Capybara also has a digital clock in and supports AES/EBU I/O. ("large digital network" is a looping concept I like!) Best, Dennis Leas dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 6:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper with digital I/O? On Dec 13, 2004, at 4:12 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 8:43 PM +0100 12/9/04, Jesper Barrit wrote: >> Does anyone know of a good looper with digital I/O (both digital >> input and >> output)? > > Lexicon PCM-80/81 i love my PCM-80, however the lack of wordclock BNC really sucks for integrating it into a large digital network. you can always grab clock off of the input, but the most stable clock is always going to come from a second connection. the DSP series and Eclipse look like the only loopers with wordlclock and digital connectivity. note on the PCM-80: don't get one for looping if you intend to run the same loop for an hour or so. it will "cook" the loop in quite a beautiful way. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 00:38:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBE5a1L21536; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JD9+Wo7tCEPkFKqCg9pwEbQaCh3JKMPKXb3aD3SKHFUn5x35+GO+dqtzpM14Gimfy62RFXOCdXJEkhtu4jcjE8oBVpDz7yaJAMgUgBpybbDQ8e+wfixxYGv8TVtki5mdhP7NbuOh9Di1sh+qSLCWa/gAFriLx9YBKZNyzI4jerk= Message-ID: <41BE7B40.8060109@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:33:52 -0800 From: "delighted.looper" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loopers party - Doh! I'm in SF References: <1102979378.41be21324afe3@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1102979378.41be21324afe3@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 02:26:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBE7PFd11289; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:25:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:25:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:25:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Looper's party. 12/17 next friday night. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <41BE2DEF.3020903@gmail.com> Message-Id: <56D313C8-4DA1-11D9-B041-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sounds really nice I'd like to attend.... On Monday, December 13, 2004, at 04:03 PM, delighted.looper wrote: > Hey all, I'm having a party for members of various mailing lists I'm > on. Nothing but gear talk and pontification. I'm be posting this to > several other forums, so there's potential for plenty of cross > pollination. > There's a cover charge I'm afraid: one cd or other recording of your > original music. (but make sure to bring more, I'm sure others will > want some too) > 1. My house. 2. Next friday night 8pm till... > 3. Bring your own whateva. > 4. Small instruments are welcome, or laptops, if you swing that way. > 5. Don't forget to bring cds of your music, too. > > Mail me offlist for directions, and so I know that this thing will > fly. If you want to come, and can't make it, also mail me also - the > date is flexible. > > bIz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 03:43:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBE8g8D25736; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:42:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:42:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041214080505.02821eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:39:56 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #523 In-Reply-To: <200412140538.iBE5cDH22047@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200412140538.iBE5cDH22047@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:38 14/12/04, you wrote: Hello folks - After selling three pieces of gear on eBay i= n a record time for me of 30 minutes, I have some extra cash to blow on replacement gear. I already bought a Vortex and expression pedal the other day. I am very interested in rackmount effect units that "radically" alter the tone of the guitar. Given that an Eventide or TC Electronics FireworX is not in my budget right now, I'm looking for the more affordable units, like the Vortex, etc. I bought a Line 6 Pro filter unit several months ago (rackmount version), but the output on that unit was very squirrely and unpredictable for me. The squirrely thing is only connected with the synth emulations (if I understand you correctly), and doesn't affect the filters. I found that even the synth stuff is predictable if you play ultra clean, even though some notes would never sustain properly for long. Putting the Filter Pro in front of the Vortex worked well. Suggest you give it another try, (although it didn't end up in my rack) Any other suggestions on units of this sort? I have one remaining slot left in my new 6 space rack! The gap is killing me=85 :) I know what you mean. ...and some sort of filter would seem an obvious choice MAM RS3 Resonator is an LFO driven filter with envelope following. MAM Warp 9 does bizarre synth-filtering with a very hard to use user interface. ..both those are available from Thoman a very reduced price. Sherman Filterbank is more pricey, but probably worth it. Someone else can talk about pitch shifters ( I don't like 'em) Really though, I think the "stuff" you have there already will do the trick, it takes a lot of time and effort to master the Vortex and, but with the pedal and the dynamic response there's enough to keep you going for years. My experience with trying to add a whole load of new effects was that the music took second place for a while, it wasn't till I restricted myself to just a EDPs and Vortex that the playing started to come=20 together. So maybe a space in the rack is a good thing :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 04:13:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBE9BlN31877; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:11:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:11:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41BEAE0C.3000406@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:10:36 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V04 #523 - that one rack unit References: <200412140538.iBE5cDH22047@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041214080505.02821eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041214080505.02821eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The sherman filterbank won't fit in one unit space, will it? a k butler wrote: > At 05:38 14/12/04, you wrote: > >> Hello folks - >> Any other suggestions on units of this sort? I have one remaining slot >> left in my new 6 space rack! The gap is killing me… :) > > > I know what you mean. ... > Sherman Filterbank is more pricey, but probably worth it. > andy butler > > . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 05:34:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBEAWux14067; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:32:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:32:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.177.128.182] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper with digital I/O? Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:31:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 10:32:00.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[2533FF50:01C4E1C8] Resent-Message-ID: <0A-2vB.A.1TD.pEsvBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HI, >From Daniel Brothier, totalrtt@hotmail.com, Oh ggreatt the pcm80 is the Machine except with the tempo, anyway, if you have a patch to control a regular tempo with a volume pédal and with the glide hall preset you're welcccccccccooooooome. >From: Suit & Tie Guy >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Looper with digital I/O? >Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:36:15 -0600 > >On Dec 13, 2004, at 4:12 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: >>At 8:43 PM +0100 12/9/04, Jesper Barrit wrote: >>>Does anyone know of a good looper with digital I/O (both digital input >>>and >>>output)? >> >>Lexicon PCM-80/81 > >i love my PCM-80, however the lack of wordclock BNC really sucks for >integrating it into a large digital network. you can always grab clock off >of the input, but the most stable clock is always going to come from a >second connection. > >the DSP series and Eclipse look like the only loopers with wordlclock and >digital connectivity. > >note on the PCM-80: don't get one for looping if you intend to run the same >loop for an hour or so. it will "cook" the loop in quite a beautiful way. >--- >Eric Williamson >www.suitandtieguy.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Actions Solidaires : volontaire ŕ l'étranger http://www.msn.fr/actionssolidaires/Default.asp?Ath=f From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 08:59:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBEDx0f17366; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:59:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:59:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c4e1e4$9f831ea0$6f00a8c0@tl.no> From: "markred" To: Subject: Same question asked YET AGAIN.. can someone help me in MY situation? Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:55:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4E1ED.0110E640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4E1ED.0110E640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As Vortex is back in the threads...another Vortex question! I know this = has been asked before, but its quicker to ask again than search the = archives... ha ha sorry! I noticed the thread about vortex line level etc, but took no notice of = it, till.. last night I took the Vortex OUT of my setup and suddenly my = guitar was alot less susceptible to distortion (bad distortion that = is... not the nice sort ) I know that it has been said that Vortex should be plugged into sends on = a desk, but Ive never liked that solution cos its needs to treat the = whole sound on so many patches that I have to use a pre fade send, then = I lose vol control from my fader, which is annoying... SO.. I have limited the use of Vortex to my direct guitar signal and = have a stereo feed from guitar effects ( Roland GP16 >> Space station... = if yer interested) TO the Vortex, then out to the mixer. NOW... Is this = wrong? I DO have to set the level on Vortex VERY LOW, for the overload = light NOT to light, and then it still does when I go crazy (not often = these days, I just turned 41and the Robert Fripp in me is taking over = the Thurstan Moore in me) ...I digress.. Its like the Vortex is limiting the dynamic headroom, if you see what I = mean? Could this be due to wrong impedance maybe, should I open up my = Vortex again and add some resisters to the input sockets? (I guess Mr = Grob would know WHAT value resisters)... any ideas?` BTW, HINT FOR VORTEX USERS: talking of opening up the Vortex and Mattias G. I did his EDP>Vortex = synch mod thingy, and built it internally in the Vortex, I disconected = the Amp channel socket as I dont use that, so now I have a dedicated EDP = IN socket on the Vortex... and added a switch to the front to switch the = synch on and off... BUT (maybe you already thought of this) I ALSO = connected, while I was at it, the synch to the MORPH switch/socket.. so = now I can MORPH in synch with the EDP... which is great!!! Especially = when you think that you can send different divisions of the beat out, by = changing 8th values...on the EDP. A weird bug of this mod tho, is tho = that when I put EDP in 1/2 speed mode, the morph synch triggers even if = I have switched it OFF.. but has worked a charm by accident... Did a gig = where I had a nice patch on A and a horrible (ring mod thing) patch on = B... was just using A, then went to half speed and Bang, guitar goes to = cling clang ring mod stuff, same time as EDP goes slow... sounded = great.. but terrifying!! Im rambling... can anyone help with the distortion/impedance question? Later Mark ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4E1ED.0110E640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As Vortex is back in the=20 threads...another Vortex question! I know this has = been asked=20 before, but its quicker to ask again than search the archives... ha = ha=20 sorry! I noticed the thread about vortex line = level etc,=20 but took no notice of it, till.. last night I took the Vortex OUT of my = setup=20 and suddenly my guitar was alot less susceptible to distortion (bad = distortion=20 that is... not the nice sort ) I know that it has been said that = Vortex should be=20 plugged into sends on a desk, but Ive never liked that solution cos its = needs to=20 treat the whole sound on so many patches that I have to use a pre fade = send,=20 then I lose vol control from my fader, which is annoying... SO.. I have limited the use of Vortex = to my direct=20 guitar signal and have a stereo feed from guitar effects ( Roland GP16 = >>=20 Space station... if yer interested) TO the Vortex, then out to the = mixer. NOW...=20 Is this wrong? I DO have to set the level on Vortex VERY LOW, for the = overload=20 light NOT to light, and then it still does when I go crazy (not often = these=20 days, I just turned 41and the Robert Fripp in me is taking over the = Thurstan=20 Moore in me) ...I digress.. Its like the Vortex is limiting the = dynamic=20 headroom, if you see what I mean? Could this be due to wrong impedance = maybe,=20 should I open up my Vortex again and add some resisters to the input = sockets? (I=20 guess Mr Grob would know WHAT value resisters)... any = ideas?` BTW, HINT FOR VORTEX = USERS: talking of opening up the Vortex and = Mattias G. I=20 did his EDP>Vortex synch mod thingy, and built it internally in the = Vortex, I=20 disconected the Amp channel socket as I dont use that, so now I have a = dedicated=20 EDP IN socket on the Vortex... and added a switch to the front to switch = the=20 synch on and off... BUT (maybe you already thought of this) I ALSO = connected,=20 while I was at it, the synch to the MORPH switch/socket.. so now I can = MORPH in=20 synch with the EDP... which is great!!! Especially when you think that = you can=20 send different divisions of the beat out, by changing 8th values...on = the EDP. A=20 weird bug of this mod tho, is tho that when I put EDP in 1/2 speed mode, = the=20 morph synch triggers even if I have switched it OFF.. but has worked a = charm by=20 accident... Did a gig where I had a nice patch on A and a horrible (ring = mod=20 thing) patch on B... was just using A, then went to half speed and Bang, = guitar=20 goes to cling clang ring mod stuff, same time as EDP goes slow... = sounded=20 great.. but terrifying!! Im rambling... can anyone help with the distortion/impedance question? Later Mark ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4E1ED.0110E640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 09:34:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBEEXR724203; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:33:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:33:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kay Sherwood" From: "Kay Sherwood" Content-Class: urn:content-classes:notice Content-Class: urn:content-classes:appointment To: "Kflint" Subject: Do NOT be FOOLED by "COUNTERFEIT" pills on OTHER SITES from Foreign Countries! antisemite Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 02:26:24 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--32960141356466537997" Resent-Message-ID: <7eQKlC.A.x0F._kvvBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----32960141356466537997 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-9275-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Email loading... % bail tomography controller alga cummings auditorium juggle o seek champaign yodel dynastic welt haw isochronal aliquot squad necropsy cocksure guise neil rotary parch crewman bangle belle debacle liveth ranier assent diagnosable cominform spun affiance treadle phenomenal ----32960141356466537997-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 10:25:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBEFNZU00502; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:23:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:23:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <99.53a4488a.2ef05f1a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:22:02 EST Subject: Re: Same question asked YET AGAIN.. can someone help me in MY situation? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_99.53a4488a.2ef05f1a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_99.53a4488a.2ef05f1a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, In a message dated 12/14/04 5:58:31, mark@mark-red.com writes: > can anyone help with the distortion/impedance question? >=20 Huh? I've used Vortexes for quite a while. And Yes, while I do have to turn down the input on the thing (to about half) so=20 it's not over-driven, I seldom have any trouble with distortion. I run the thing right after my multi-effect/preamp fed by the former's direct output. Could there be something wrong with your specific Vortex? Or . . . have I just been lucky? I own two and run analog guitar sounds through one and=20 guitar synth sounds through the other. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play to quite pleasing effect. --part1_99.53a4488a.2ef05f1a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, In a message dated 12/14/04 5:58:31, mark@mark-red.com writes: can anyone help with=20= the distortion/impedance question? Huh? I've used Vortexes for quite a while. And Yes, while I do have to turn down the input on the thing (to about half) so it's not over-driven, I seldom have any trouble with distortion. I run the thing right after my multi-effect/preamp fed by the former's direct output. Could there be something wrong with your specific Vortex? Or . . . have I just been lucky? I own two and run analog guitar sounds through one and guitar synth sounds through the other. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? In the mid-18th century, the Maillardet brothers created an astonishing robot writer-draftsman that could write poetry and do amazing drawings of ships and buildings. Around the same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play to quite pleasing effect. --part1_99.53a4488a.2ef05f1a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 12:15:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBEHE0d21392; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:14:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:14:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41BF1F0C.4050602@soundscapes.us> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:12:44 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Mailing List Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 11, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2004/041211.html The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #57 December 11, 2004. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Gert Emmens After the Rain Waves of Dreams (Groove) Gert Emmens Another Time, Another Waves of Dreams (Groove) Space Par Example Cometary Impulse Pharos (Quantum) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [Jim Brickman] On the Edge Relaxation (Windham Hill) VA [Douglas Spotted Closer Still Relaxation (Windham Hill) Eagle] Evan Wish The Child Lullaby of Love (Audiophile) Evan Wish See a Shooting Star Lullaby of Love (Audiophile) David Arkenstone The Dream of the Gods Atlantis (Narada) David Arkenstone Tower of Light Atlantis (Narada) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Happy the Man Lunch at the The Muse Awakens (InsideOut) Psychedelicatessen VA [Michael Sadler] I'm Not the Enemy Analecta Volume 1 (Progrock) VA [Aaron English] Brittle Analecta Volume 1 (Progrock) Pallas Throwing Stones at the The Wedge (InsideOut) Wind Glass Hammer Further Up, Further In Live at NEARfest (Arion/ NEARfest) Motoi Sakuraba Humpty Dumpty Gikyokuonsou (Musea) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on December 25. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to comtemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to http://192.104.181.184:8080/ramgen/encoder/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. 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To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 14:24:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iBEJMrx14338; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:22:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:22:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c4e212$ea250580$7eaca344@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: References: <99.53a4488a.2ef05f1a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Same question asked YET AGAIN.. can someone help me in MY situation? Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:27:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C4E1E9.00B7EDA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [68.163.172.126] at Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:21:22 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <3IqnXD.A.RbD.30zvBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C4E1E9.00B7EDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can only turn my VORTEX input to maybe 9 o'clock because the input is = so sensitive. And that is after a compressor/limiter and two line level = delays. =20 Pity too. The VORTEX sounds soooooo good when it gets a full signal. = But the digital clipping sucks when the signal is a little too hot. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Same question asked YET AGAIN.. can someone help me in MY = situation? Hi, In a message dated 12/14/04 5:58:31, mark@mark-red.com writes: can anyone help with the distortion/impedance question? Huh? I've used Vortexes for quite a while. And Yes, while I do have to turn down the input on the thing (to about half) so=20 it's not over-driven, I seldom have any trouble with distortion. I run the thing right after my multi-effect/preamp fed by the former's direct output. Could there be something wrong with your specific Vortex? Or . . . have I just been lucky? 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Around the same time, Jacques de Vaucanson created his infamous mechanical defecating duck, which could eat, digest and all the rest. Furthermore, he also created a flute-playing musician android, which offered 12 tunes it could play to quite pleasing effect. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C4E1E9.00B7EDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can only turn my VORTEX input to = maybe 9 o'clock=20 because the input is so sensitive. And that is after a = compressor/limiter=20 and two line level delays. Pity too. The VORTEX sounds = soooooo good when=20 it gets a full signal. But the digital clipping sucks when the = signal is a=20 little too hot. ----- Original Message ----- From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com